From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 13 22:50:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3427 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 06:50:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 06:50:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 06:50:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40256 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 06:50:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tqaA1ZEVM1lwhj8fy7omuxrd8OWC3tgm4BcAr1IG4b.UsxpIBump.jfRogIGROERScU9yBCqU1XlYDRTKDy4JdZJeM0HiNTfqbzR3dA7vwmBuSRGnEojw0ml.5qZrUsLPVKsikE9uLCejmlQoDwyH8UOpa1IVbMo4o4LkZ348bJCh5g- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:50:31 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:50:31 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <640744.40073.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=KzM9cCmjkSnKaPxDYAVERkBVwViFX5Iq-R9uTcP4poshPUUrMzIA X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable True and while it may have been wrong think of this, at least the man had t= he balls to say what he thought.=A0 Few men do these days. Thats half the p= roblem with America. =A0 =A0 --- On Thu, 11/13/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 5:15 PM Oh yeah! Kramer on Seinfeld! Kevin On Nov 13, 2008, at 4:10 PM, kevin redding wrote: > > On Nov 13, 2008, at 4:02 PM, mjgrant@aol. com wrote: > >> It did wonders for Michael Richard's career. > > Michael Richards? =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 13 22:55:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61544 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 06:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 06:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 06:55:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42843 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 06:55:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pLD856QVM1n8_Q89hNtvMAI3QtKoSneBmzoF6lDCgStLgoY_DvJ3TVI.8IN6bILrwyBdMDWUL0FYUDFjfZ1DsYqMpA_SGaKDoMvOwIkuX5Uz31JQQx22OVGlahz4ZKepHEE5zwuY6xWhS1Vw1LyrGmTYhvMYAsKzhYXcQF4vdvVl0Rg- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:55:24 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:55:24 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB13F5392BAB2E-ABC-8E@WEBMAIL-MB17.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <843887.33040.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=NKEnMpU1hl3WZOSnPE362rkEOKRq_hkYBZTG_lwEw3Ueahyr3m1y X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Free is the key word and you are right.=A0 Most liberals support the fairne= ss doctrine and understand it.=A0 Now I'm not going to try to rule one way = or the other but let me say this.=A0 At least at that time, and I remember = this well, both parties had equal time to comment.=A0 I remember watching o= n tv and listening on radio to political comment, say after a speech by the= president or some other elected official.=A0 I remember there would at lea= st be a response by the opposite politcal party on whatever the issue of th= e day is.=A0 With talk radio nowadays you get fair and balanced which means= conservative and republican.=A0 You don't get any democrats views, you get= republican all the way.=A0 I ask, is that fair in the publics best interes= t? =A0 --- On Thu, 11/13/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 5:20 PM Surely I am not the only person in this group who is old enough to have act= ually worked in radio when the Fairness Doctrine was around.? It was not?on= erous at all. In practical terms, if someone was attacked on the air, the station had to = notify the individual and provide an on-air opportunity for the individual = to respond.? First, the stations I worked for didn't make a practice of att= aching people to being with.? The only instance I can recall when a Fairnes= s Doctrine issue arose was when the morning drive guy made hay at the expen= se of a local politician who lacked a sense of humor.? It was clearly humor= with no malicious intent.? However, the station honored the Doctrine and g= ave the guy time to respond which made him look all the more ridiculous. As I understood the Fairness Doctrine, which was embodied in Part 73, the i= ndividual station licensee had the responsibility for compliance.? ? That i= s, if Rush attacked Obama, Pelosi, and Reid on his syndicated show, all 100= 0 stations would have to individually provide each with an opportunity to r= espond.? For free.? The latter is what rubs broadcasters the wrong way when= it comes to the Fairness Doctrine. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 13 22:56:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30804 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 06:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 06:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 06:56:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8934 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 06:56:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: t0NaeH8VM1noLuhkqOb7PkvPl_HzRPTVkqG84kncpE4jdb1meR4DMMt7Zic8OeasHEYAdaSVzLLAiL3su3k4noP2IPcslM9nTpTr._t_BuucDLKJxs0pW0o.9357TkQaF.f64u852SFiZRqD.sO0hV7NsaamwoM3YXEvM0aQ3r9uuNg- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:56:47 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:56:47 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081113.145648.10312.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <928311.8781.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Q6Mv3OufvXlGUXDVHnOf6UAHCc8pVhkLWAAOTj2NP0nJ-G4IEqMg X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well the people like Jesse Jackson who bitch about slavery and all as if it= happened in our lifetimes always forgets their motherland Africa who sold = them to the white people.=A0 Their own people sold them. =A0 =A0 --- On Thu, 11/13/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 5:56 PM Actually Obama is Half white and only 6.25% Black. An Arab white man disguised as a Black person is our new president! Barack Obama is 6.25% black American. He only has one black great-great- gr= andmother on his father's side while the other 7 were Arab. That makes him 50% white, 43.75% Arab, and 6.25% black.=20 Obama could qualify as the first Arab-American president rather than the fi= rst black president. Under present law anyone may decide on their ethnic li= sting and change it at whim.=20 The most interesting thing about this is Obama's ancestors were not slaves = but slave traders. We have had slave holding family members as presidents in the past, but Oba= ma will be our first slave trader family member as president. Give the guy a break! Don=20 -- kevin redding wrote: Why is he called black when what he is would be called a mulatto? Kevin On Nov 13, 2008, at 3:39 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Surprisingly, the N word is being widely used by Obama's supporters=20 > as his positions are moving to the center of the political spectrum. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 13 23:00:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80623 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 07:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 07:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 07:00:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45820 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 07:00:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6epY9e4VM1mYj1el8F2oBVILcgwRlwWSv6ogzFaENS2EfnAfzLU.QbiMR4FqcKieeZI3.N4pYWhisrXVco0GdY2vNNeqstD_PxZicFve7VyQEy6Q6nMYnWrVYXDn3vqgUNubCuXa3_BxmlOOD5ivzaUTpm72CGZsa8JXMch6r4t23mA- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:00:04 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:00:04 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <846334.98320.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <11081.45139.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=JPV8aIfOEZKxV4nVr4jjSvtfkm0V6lmSNlBElnfYKolYDstFmTB0 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable JOLENE!.... JOLENE!!..... JOLEEEEEN !!! JOLEENNNNEEE I"m beggin you please = don't take my maaannn!=A0 LOL!=A0 Powel I just had to!! But hey it's Dolly,= lol! =A0 -Kevin --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 8:09 PM Should be=A0 media jobs in Jeopardy. The Fairness Doctrine is coming back, = have no doubt. Those Democrats in the Senate and Congress promised it. Prom= ised it repeatedly and gloated about it. It will be written specifically to= silence talk radio. But it will be a double edged sword.=20 Also discussed is changing radio station renewals to 2 years instead of 7 a= nd allowing anyone to challenge and take a license.=A0=A0=20 Get over it.=20 Also Obama said this when the screeching news furor over what puppy to get = his daughter, and they were demanding this breed and others. He said "I'm a= mutt so we are getting a mutf from a shelter. GOOD FOR HIM!=A0 Jolene my d= og is a mutt and I wouldn't trade her for any radio......=A0=A0 or anything= for that matter. She's a rescue and bonded to ME.=A0 If something happened= to me I don't what would happen to her. THAT is my real worry not all of t= his polictical crap.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 05:31:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69167 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 13:31:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 13:31:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.58) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 13:31:10 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 13:31:09 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 13:31:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 13:31:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 483353.29786.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 17727 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 13:31:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 13:31:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TfItOTcVM1kf3chz_kMWnO0npL7msgAZrNJ4weBdS81_a263Ye6bwZEjiuYZu7e9Fve2jQlwDw9uLziOqOiPb1gc5BSYtxTqeMcCHRbZrlMJt91vFdmNtNjUJK6.wb67wokq1FiIA1Xpl8Y9sHJ83iUP75uZPddvP3T0qPNenvtw0VjdyuO2Ww_rGA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <31EADCAB-173D-4249-9E1B-F1D0E6D86FE8@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:31:07 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Right-wing radio sounds false alarm on 'Fairness Doctrine' - LA Times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=QAXwCrS7ZgDa9YffsivGItghP64quuuiCpetxZ5dO82TtW5w3g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit COMMENTARY Right-wing radio sounds false alarm on 'Fairness Doctrine' Impose a mandate on broadcasters to balance their political views? That would be onerous indeed. But memo to Rush: Nobody's asking for that. By JAMES RAINEY, On The Media November 14, 2008 One of the favorite rallying cries on conservative radio these days is that the president-elect might face demands from his crazed lefty pals to revive the "Fairness Doctrine" to muzzle Rush, Sean and their allies on the right end of the radio dial. Commentators like Larry Elder of KABC here in Los Angeles have been sounding the warning about the possible imminent return of federal rules mandating that broadcasters balance out political views on radio and television. Newt Gingrich asserted not long ago that the Democrats certainly would mount "an effort to eliminate freedom of speech for Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity." Limbaugh responded, "It's going to be more than just me and Hannity whose freedom of speech will be done away with via the Fairness Doctrine." Indeed, it would be a shame if Congress or a Barack Obama-controlled Federal Communications Commission wasted time resurrecting the rules, which were abolished in 1987. President Reagan and his FCC decided there were enough alternative outlets for a range of opinion. Two decades later -- in an age when a host of political views spark and burn across cable television and the Internet -- a reimposition of the rules would seem quaintly anachronistic. I think Rush and the boys have it right on this one: The free market offers plenty of room for liberals to have their say, even in an era when the vast multitude of radio stations are owned by a few conglomerates. The radio right, though, has it wrong in predicting a free-speech apocalypse on the near horizon. They insist Democrats in Congress or on a newly constituted FCC will reimpose the Fairness Doctrine. That would force radio owners, the story goes, to air hopelessly dull liberal programs to balance out fascinating conservative commentary. Faced with these onerous requirements, radio owners would cut air time for conservatives or jettison political talk altogether rather than be saddled with money-losing liberals. It's a nice plot line, and lots of people seem to be expending tremendous energy fretting about it. But let's just say that the imminent reimposition of the Fairness Doctrine is, as Archie Bunker liked to say, a pigment of their imagination. Yes, a few Democratic lawmakers have recently talked about supporting such regulation, rules they say could be justified to protect a scarce public resource -- the public airwaves. In October, Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) told a conservative Albuquerque talker that he supported the Fairness Doctrine. "I would want this station and all stations to have to present a balanced perspective and different points of view," Bingaman said, "instead of always hammering away at one side of the political [spectrum]." Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) is another lawmaker who has expressed an interest in bringing back the rules. Rep. Maurice D. Hinchey (D-N.Y.) has considered reintroducing a media ownership reform law, to try to expand and diversify control of radio and television outlets. But it's unclear whether that measure would include a Fairness Doctrine, as an earlier Hinchey proposal did. Conservatives cite those comments in justifying their fears. But they also make a determined effort to ignore the politics of the moment. Democrats like Bingaman have made it clear they do not view the Fairness Doctrine as politically feasible. They have cited numerous more urgent priorities for Democrats to address. And they have said they have no intention of forcing the issue. As on many other issues, they want the new Obama administration to take the lead. And the president-elect, as a candidate last summer, said unequivocally that he did not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine. "He considers this debate to be a distraction from the conversation we should be having about opening up the airwaves and modern communication to as many diverse viewpoints as possible," said spokesman Michael Ortiz. Several right-wing bloggers interpret that as mere Obama code and baldly assert that the Democrats will surely bring back the fairness rules to thwart their enemies on talk radio. If the left wing is gearing up for such a push, I had trouble detecting it. A search of the liberal Daily Kos website turned up almost no mentions of the Fairness Doctrine. And the site's founder, Markos Moulitsas, said by e-mail Thursday that he sensed "zero impetus" to make the change. "The right is using it as a straw man to build hysteria and opposition to the incoming Democratic administration and Congress," Moulitsas opined. "But there are zero serious efforts to make it happen." Yes, conservatives dominate talk radio -- by one count controlling three-quarters of the programming. That might seem inherently unfair. But liberals have found numerous outlets in other media, including websites like Daily Kos and Huffington Post, daytime programs like ABC's "The View," and nighttime cable shows like those hosted by MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow. What sense would it make to impose a government program to monitor all that broadcast blather, hour by hour? Wouldn't that provoke a constitutional challenge? Yes, the 8th Amendment still prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Rainey is a Times staff writer. james.rainey@latimes.com http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na- onthemedia14-2008nov14,0,5229277.story [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 05:40:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72718 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 13:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 13:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 13:40:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 90122 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 13:40:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fHxG5TMVM1nRnXy9pAszvB__XFvqW892Qq1JVLGy543stZ0i_h63z.4Yq9ZJSDcynjrD2z7Bj_8jXNs7aMV8L8PMNT5MtmBmwpH_gsXY7XtYA9yOyF61FptwxS_kMadIwTjtYmj1.mOFIz6MkRHzunKh X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:40:22 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:40:22 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <387527.89950.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Back on topic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=tMatmJaEZVY3A6XeUo6-Jk45K1zVOOQGN7J7A8L78-onAZebTPhVJyE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Enough guys; back to radio. We have 2 AM's here that were planning a new co-located AM tower site, but now they've asked the FCC for a 'delay' - can I assume it's because they don't have any money left to fix and combine their two decrepit AM tower sites into one, but they won't give-up the stations to somebody else either? The towers now are 62 years old and 54 years ago - I'm assuming that steel won't last one more ice storm anymore? John From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Nov 14 07:31:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95004 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 15:31:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 15:31:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost01.isp.att.net) (207.115.11.51) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 15:31:19 -0000 X-Received: from fwebmail01.isp.att.net ([204.127.218.101]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20081114153118H0100oqpc2e>; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:31:18 +0000 X-Received: from [209.149.16.45] by fwebmail01.isp.att.net; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:31:17 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:31:17 +0000 Message-Id: <111420081531.14143.491D99C5000582370000373F22218865869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF060E0B040E9A09@att.net> In-Reply-To: <31EADCAB-173D-4249-9E1B-F1D0E6D86FE8@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z3VhbGRhakBiZWxsc291dGgubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 207.115.11.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: gualdaj@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Right-wing radio sounds false alarm on 'Fairness Doctrine' - LA Times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=Ib8Bh7OIRP-lW-BzyJA-p9DZRuX1yIEtY8OxPZwI4eM6QM4 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Kevin for providing this article. I for one am tired of the wingnuts "phoney outrage" on this NON ISSUE ! It ain't happening Limbaugh, Hannity, & fellow wingnuts, so move on ! -------------- Original message from kevin redding : -------------- COMMENTARY Right-wing radio sounds false alarm on 'Fairness Doctrine' Impose a mandate on broadcasters to balance their political views? That would be onerous indeed. But memo to Rush: Nobody's asking for that. By JAMES RAINEY, On The Media November 14, 2008 One of the favorite rallying cries on conservative radio these days is that the president-elect might face demands from his crazed lefty pals to revive the "Fairness Doctrine" to muzzle Rush, Sean and their allies on the right end of the radio dial. Commentators like Larry Elder of KABC here in Los Angeles have been sounding the warning about the possible imminent return of federal rules mandating that broadcasters balance out political views on radio and television. Newt Gingrich asserted not long ago that the Democrats certainly would mount "an effort to eliminate freedom of speech for Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity." Limbaugh responded, "It's going to be more than just me and Hannity whose freedom of speech will be done away with via the Fairness Doctrine." Indeed, it would be a shame if Congress or a Barack Obama-controlled Federal Communications Commission wasted time resurrecting the rules, which were abolished in 1987. President Reagan and his FCC decided there were enough alternative outlets for a range of opinion. Two decades later -- in an age when a host of political views spark and burn across cable television and the Internet -- a reimposition of the rules would seem quaintly anachronistic. I think Rush and the boys have it right on this one: The free market offers plenty of room for liberals to have their say, even in an era when the vast multitude of radio stations are owned by a few conglomerates. The radio right, though, has it wrong in predicting a free-speech apocalypse on the near horizon. They insist Democrats in Congress or on a newly constituted FCC will reimpose the Fairness Doctrine. That would force radio owners, the story goes, to air hopelessly dull liberal programs to balance out fascinating conservative commentary. Faced with these onerous requirements, radio owners would cut air time for conservatives or jettison political talk altogether rather than be saddled with money-losing liberals. It's a nice plot line, and lots of people seem to be expending tremendous energy fretting about it. But let's just say that the imminent reimposition of the Fairness Doctrine is, as Archie Bunker liked to say, a pigment of their imagination. Yes, a few Democratic lawmakers have recently talked about supporting such regulation, rules they say could be justified to protect a scarce public resource -- the public airwaves. In October, Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.) told a conservative Albuquerque talker that he supported the Fairness Doctrine. "I would want this station and all stations to have to present a balanced perspective and different points of view," Bingaman said, "instead of always hammering away at one side of the political [spectrum]." Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) is another lawmaker who has expressed an interest in bringing back the rules. Rep. Maurice D. Hinchey (D-N.Y.) has considered reintroducing a media ownership reform law, to try to expand and diversify control of radio and television outlets. But it's unclear whether that measure would include a Fairness Doctrine, as an earlier Hinchey proposal did. Conservatives cite those comments in justifying their fears. But they also make a determined effort to ignore the politics of the moment. Democrats like Bingaman have made it clear they do not view the Fairness Doctrine as politically feasible. They have cited numerous more urgent priorities for Democrats to address. And they have said they have no intention of forcing the issue. As on many other issues, they want the new Obama administration to take the lead. And the president-elect, as a candidate last summer, said unequivocally that he did not support reimposing the Fairness Doctrine. "He considers this debate to be a distraction from the conversation we should be having about opening up the airwaves and modern communication to as many diverse viewpoints as possible," said spokesman Michael Ortiz. Several right-wing bloggers interpret that as mere Obama code and baldly assert that the Democrats will surely bring back the fairness rules to thwart their enemies on talk radio. If the left wing is gearing up for such a push, I had trouble detecting it. A search of the liberal Daily Kos website turned up almost no mentions of the Fairness Doctrine. And the site's founder, Markos Moulitsas, said by e-mail Thursday that he sensed "zero impetus" to make the change. "The right is using it as a straw man to build hysteria and opposition to the incoming Democratic administration and Congress," Moulitsas opined. "But there are zero serious efforts to make it happen." Yes, conservatives dominate talk radio -- by one count controlling three-quarters of the programming. That might seem inherently unfair. But liberals have found numerous outlets in other media, including websites like Daily Kos and Huffington Post, daytime programs like ABC's "The View," and nighttime cable shows like those hosted by MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow. What sense would it make to impose a government program to monitor all that broadcast blather, hour by hour? Wouldn't that provoke a constitutional challenge? Yes, the 8th Amendment still prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Rainey is a Times staff writer. james.rainey@latimes.com http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na- onthemedia14-2008nov14,0,5229277.story [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 07:46:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83112 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 15:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 15:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 15:46:12 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 15:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.132] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 15:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp105.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 15:46:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 773089.35473.bm@omp105.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 58940 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 15:46:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp102.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 15:46:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: noSZm.EVM1muxW3_AmBcbW61smAt0W0pwXLt6S6QCIzHBVPejKIW0w6zm5fLUB_aTuIAEJY51cjkZdVXulFbiTgfz4HCDzeiEK3ToTdagxFKlBXaqm5zTe9SHBQoyK8L3Eo1.a6l_Yd7NzbhE._K1m_Z31QVIIjjCUS_Ih4oxGWN7EEFuUDuC6z_JA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <111420081531.14143.491D99C5000582370000373F22218865869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF060E0B040E9A09@att.net> References: <111420081531.14143.491D99C5000582370000373F22218865869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF060E0B040E9A09@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <264BF7BC-8730-4739-AB0B-30B518F69DC6@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:46:08 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Right-wing radio sounds false alarm on 'Fairness Doctrine' - LA Times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=W4lhJ7zTUCOLKRrtLfQo6_XWjLFuhNa1Ro2v7m5Xdh_Q2mO6aA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 14, 2008, at 9:31 AM, gualdaj@bellsouth.net wrote: > Thanks Kevin for providing this article. I for one am tired of the > wingnuts "phoney outrage" on this NON ISSUE ! > It ain't happening Limbaugh, Hannity, & fellow wingnuts, so move on ! Add another nut job to the list. Mike Huckabee landed a gig with ABC Radio. Don't forget Michael (Weiner) Savage, leader of the Savage Nation. Somehow with his real name, The Savage Weiner, doesn't sound the same. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 14 08:11:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75784 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 16:11:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 16:11:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 16:11:44 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.234] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081114101134000960000014.0) with SMTP id <20081114101134000960000014> for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:11:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b801c94673$f004ce80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <894017.50840.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:11:34 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=p30UOci2tGp2cGw62q2LL2xcXfnviMfagAXatbM_i5qDmV3HRd1T X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sometimes I like to listen to my big 1937 Zenith console. For AM stereo I use an old Panasonic SC555 component system that I modified about a decade ago. Also got a 1946 Zenith table radio in the kitchen, but its fidelity is only fair. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: keith beesley To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com __Ok, I'll start a new discussion topic: what are everybody's favorite radios for listening to AM/MW with good audio fidelity? I mean program listening as opposed to DXing distant stations (although if a radio has good audio and is also sensitive to distant stations, so much the better 8-). Portable, tabletop, bookshelf, or whatever. ,_._,___ --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 14 08:23:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89094 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 16:23:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 16:23:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 16:23:52 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.234] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081114102332003222500015.0) with SMTP id <20081114102332003222500015> for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:23:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00f401c94675$9c028aa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1A589C38-0DE8-4B06-879C-A0BF179D7C00@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:23:32 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=n8PDKuz1UaqzqRUIzAZR50LEAAIakMzF2FTfdZ1o6Zmu_-G3ZiNi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And just who has all the fear of global warming, second-hand cigarette smoke, air pollution from coal-fired electric plants, nuke plants? As far as hate, I see more of that on the left. To wit- those gay terrorists who disrupted that church service in Lansing, MI last Sunday. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy On Nov 12, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > They are already hoping the resession gets worse to make Obama look > bad....They hate America like the Terrorists do !!!!!!! What, the depression caused by the Republicans and Bush and Cheney? > Hannity, Limbaugh, Reagan, Savage and the rest HATE America ! Of this, I have no doubt. Republicans are craven cowards and are running their lives in fear. Watch them and you will see how fear controls almost everything they do. Don't take my word, just watch what they do and how they live. Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 08:32:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6264 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 16:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 16:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 16:32:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36585 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 16:32:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eYYFO.4VM1khmN330w6terPj.H6NWrMaJprsALXwOV3mlv_GiAtCw9xpFlE03rrkJC_im6hpX93eRzOO_AiGLsjOMEgFkhQikoPvuI_vBJLWfFBNvaMF2ocX6IlL2CsnXppqDfOZnXGdm4F7smtZmuOMD.55ui2BOOPBVUrMkCCsL6MMgq25MKgI0w-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:32:41 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:32:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <11081.45139.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <824834.35878.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=SNE4sU1_SxAR7r_Zg8ouwGrpe4giGCmG7TmjTZeMwFw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am going to HAVE to record that to MD and play it for her. It's true, tha= t's what Georgia the dog sang to Jolene..... LOL=A0 !! =A0 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 11/14/08, clemsonbloke wrote: JOLENE!.... JOLENE!!..... JOLEEEEEN !!! JOLEENNNNEEE I"m beggin you please don't take my maaannn!=A0 LOL!=A0 Powel I just had to!! But hey it's Dolly, lol! =A0 -Kevin --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 8:09 PM Should be=A0 media jobs in Jeopardy. The Fairness Doctrine is coming back, = have no doubt. Those Democrats in the Senate and Congress promised it. Promised = it repeatedly and gloated about it. It will be written specifically to silence= talk radio. But it will be a double edged sword.=20 Also discussed is changing radio station renewals to 2 years instead of 7 a= nd allowing anyone to challenge and take a license.=A0=A0=20 Get over it.=20 Also Obama said this when the screeching news furor over what puppy to get = his daughter, and they were demanding this breed and others. He said "I'm a mutt so we are getting a mutf from a shelter. GOOD FOR HIM!=A0 Jolene my do= g is a mutt and I wouldn't trade her for any radio......=A0=A0 or anything for tha= t matter. She's a rescue and bonded to ME.=A0 If something happened to me I don't what would happen to her. THAT is my real worry not all of this polictical crap.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 14 08:40:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24107 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.234] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081114104019000094400010.0) with SMTP id <20081114104019000094400010> for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:40:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018a01c94677$f5cd6120$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <967597.8817.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:40:19 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=9UO1MbXxCdKoC82NQaMEZxKxdTH-1PCTxzZLbPD8lYh5UgeRIUnF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know what the name is of thekind of music they're playing? Some of it sounds mariachi, but a lot of the singers sound nearly operatic. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future Si, Senor Kevin! Viva XERF! --- On Wed, 11/12/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:43 PM > On Nov 12, 2008, at 7:34 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Just for illustration, the two guys that wrote the > book "Border Radio" > > This is a fantastic book and I would recommend it to all to > read it. > > Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 08:41:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55403 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 16:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 16:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.93) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 16:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 16:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.75.191] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 16:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp107.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 16:41:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 702024.26698.bm@omp107.mail.re1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 92624 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 16:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp101.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 16:41:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2XlxR98VM1mh9qLBVba4ioSdNTsx20I7jlIq260hzECv8BlF.6Wz1hLLqZTKZUbRx7ScqJrpOuN3_RirSmDGzcvDufaXPB_mbDjkWB9AVAEVnaqUq9JyJyYq6cuIET70_NRPTeUKHlcweHsDx8SeKabxTWASYcVs6jyVeKjDB3PKXobWFd6u3m2FgA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <00b801c94673$f004ce80$d503fea9@stodd> References: <894017.50840.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <00b801c94673$f004ce80$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <23799C98-C209-40E5-A4F1-F7E4A720A9F5@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:41:51 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.93 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=vpL2PnUYKbh2iW3hL0PlTK-tGB5b1ZbFp5tfIwDzJkKkOwpOkg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:11 AM, wrote: > Sometimes I like to listen to my big 1937 Zenith console. For AM > stereo I use an old Panasonic SC555 component system that I > modified about a decade ago. Also got a 1946 Zenith table radio in > the kitchen, but its fidelity is only fair. I have an old Zenith Radio from 1940 or so that has the old and new FM Bands and an AM band, It sounds good and I like it a lot. I have a couple of real old Zenith Trans-Oceanics a 500G and H500 that are really nice sounding. Of course I have a Hallicrafters SX-99 that has a 16 kHz setting for AM and HF that is as good as FM on a strong and steady station. Some of the old stuff is incredibly good. Power hungry but man, they sure sound nice. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 14 08:42:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81956 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 16:42:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 16:42:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 16:42:17 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.234] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081114104201001926700013.0) with SMTP id <20081114104201001926700013> for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:42:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <019e01c94678$3183a260$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <252406.28040.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:42:01 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=G2BSZ3nzlxZBR8od7i1DZgt2MGhpiS20e_kYiG9AjvsuRbOGdzEA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IOW- he gets to be crucified but race-baiter Jesse Jackass gets forgiveness for using the term Hymietown. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:35 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy Well Mike Gallaghe is just an idiot in my book. I didn't really have any respect for him to begin with but the day he mocked Bobby Kennedy Jr for his speech impediment, I lost what tiny fraction of respect I had for him at all. That man is just plain mean spirited. He keeps on and on about how Obama is black. He keeps making "black" the issue. It's just a matter of time before he slips up and says what we all know he wants to say. Now if he does you know what will happen, its predictable. He'll come on and cry and moan about how he isnt a racist and blah blah blah like every other republican and cry and buy his way out of it. Oh and you know Rush and all the other radio cronies will take up for him. "Oh he didn't really mean it". I'm so tired of people saying things only to go back and say "well I didn't really mean to say that" BS!! You meant it or you wouldn't have said it! It's amazing these idiots. --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:19 AM On Nov 12, 2008, at 10:15 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > You shoulda heard Mike Gallagher today, Remember, Gallagher used to be a Liberal. When he first came to Greenville, he loaded up the WFBC Van with a bunch of protesters and they all went out to the Sumter National Forest and chained themselves to trees that were going to be logged. Also Rush's BOSS is Phil Donahue! Possum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 14 08:42:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43306 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 16:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 16:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 16:42:52 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.234] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081114104242001982900013.0) with SMTP id <20081114104242001982900013> for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:42:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01ae01c94678$49ef2900$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <21700.64477.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:42:42 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=AuG14Zxs13TsBXQIN5KMUnZEeN6S74iOoEv0S8MA49DVjubY4K4b X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey- I WANTED to vote for a black guy for President, but Michael Steele wasn't running. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:38 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy Well you know thats what all those republican guys on the radio want to say. They are so upset that a black man is going to be in the White House that I swear that is exactly what they are thinking and want to say. They are highly predictable. Just watch watch or listen to them. Someone said it right, they all live in fear of people who are different than their little limited greenhouse bubble allows. --- On Thu, 11/13/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:39 AM Surprisingly, the N word is being widely used by Obama's supporters as his positions are moving to the center of the political spectrum. Savage (Michael Wiener) is hard to take. He lost his MSNBC show with an insensitive remark to a homosexual caller. TV is protective of gender choices for some reason. Don -- clemskonbloke wrote: Oh i've never liked any of them. Of course it's entertaining to listen to some of the BS the spout. Savage is a hoot to listen to when he starts getting all psycho and going off on people. I once heard him talking to some guy on the phone and some woman in the background said something he didnt like and he said "you tell her I said she was a bitch"! I'll never forget that, thats been years ago but he's been in trouble several times for going off on people. Thats why he lost that gig with I believe MSNBC he once was going to have. Might have been FOX, I can't remember but he was going to have some TV gig and blew it. It is amazing the amount of fear you hear in their voices these days. They've already called Obama everything but the word that begins with N. You shoulda heard Mike Gallagher today, he kept going on about Obama being black "yeah he's black thats what it is blah blah blah" and so on. I figure its only a matter of time before he slips up and actually uses the word he wants to say. -Kevin --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Juan Gualda wrote: From: Juan Gualda Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 9:02 PM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, kevin redding wrote: > > > On Nov 12, 2008, at 5:49 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > AM Jobs in Jeopardy: > > I should have known. I thought you were going to say something about > how all the media megacorps were laying off radio workers left and > right like they are. > > Kevin > Republican Right wing radio blowhards hate America..... They are already hoping the resession gets worse to make Obama look bad....They hate America like the Terrorists do !!!!!!! Hannity, Limbaugh, Reagan, Savage and the rest HATE America ! Juan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 14 08:50:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82123 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 16:50:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 16:50:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 16:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.234] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081114105000002946600014.0) with SMTP id <20081114105000002946600014> for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:50:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01ce01c94679$5011c9e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <640744.40073.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:50:00 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=LwY233DEDYw-iASRTqBQexSaIujXx5kIqySBNFANe_8EMgIrUQAM X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blame the feminists and the public schools for that. Boys that act like boys get put on Ritalin. A boy that playfully slaps a girl on the butt gets hauled off the the hoosegow for sexual harassment; ditto for a kindergarten boy who kisses a female classmate. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:50 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy True and while it may have been wrong think of this, at least the man had the balls to say what he thought. Few men do these days. Thats half the problem with America. --- On Thu, 11/13/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 5:15 PM Oh yeah! Kramer on Seinfeld! Kevin On Nov 13, 2008, at 4:10 PM, kevin redding wrote: > > On Nov 13, 2008, at 4:02 PM, mjgrant@aol. com wrote: > >> It did wonders for Michael Richard's career. > > Michael Richards? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 14 08:55:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96379 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 16:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 16:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 16:55:01 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.234] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081114105446001851200010.0) with SMTP id <20081114105446001851200010> for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:54:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01d601c94679$fa3f2840$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <843887.33040.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:54:46 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Zw1SshOKW5RIrOzFZeFFmcmQ2yw-QWZ3Wv7xo6Mkycu-tz8_t0tf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't hear their views on either TV news or entertainment shows. I rarely see their views in the local paper unless it's a letter to the editor. Certainly not anywhere in the arts and rarely in the movies (American Carol being a notable exception.) The only media that wasn't for Obama was talk radio. Frankly, I'd say that is fair my side dominates radio. And please spare me the drivel about how corporations are conservative because they involve big money. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com With talk radio nowadays you get fair and balanced which means conservative and republican. You don't get any democrats views, you get republican all the way. I ask, is that fair in the publics best interest? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 08:56:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38661 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 16:56:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 16:56:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.93) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 16:56:16 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 16:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.145] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 16:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp203.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 16:56:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 682568.91780.bm@omp203.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 29243 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 16:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 16:56:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EcS0tvQVM1kj001Qauwkm.eCvzjk6NzZmFjRbwzs_bQnBUUutEALDyZKifayQswSvSP5WiPSOd0xcYHRLLOE2n9cUCKdHB.jAHblH4_TDy4S8UdkBagMoLbsvJwNR9.1zaH.S6bIyaIrxk.BUKZoIT6yVvXmZUg5g6rGM68WlRK7R853tt6g0UVnWA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <00f401c94675$9c028aa0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <1A589C38-0DE8-4B06-879C-A0BF179D7C00@yahoo.com> <00f401c94675$9c028aa0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <075C4D42-65E0-43F4-BC29-AEF54A39F58B@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:56:14 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=V4-5AVBwI9jX3o4cTzAZnp_HRqe-p-s6f1x5QGxUOay0sevvDw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:23 AM, wrote: > And just who has all the fear of global warming, second-hand > cigarette smoke, air pollution from coal-fired electric plants, > nuke plants? I dunno. People of all parties do not want to have a nuclear power or coal fired plant near them. I know that in the most richest and conservative neighborhoods that Republicans would fight tooth and nail not to have a nuclear power or coal fired plant near their home. I would bet you Scott and I assume you are as right wing as it gets on the spectrum, I assume that you would fight a nuclear power plant next to your house. I would guess you would fight a coal fired plant in your neighborhood as well even though you are Republican. I am a Democrat and a lefty. Its obvious to all. I was in the Navy on nuclear powered ships for 10 years and worked with Naval nuclear power for another 10 years after my Naval service ended. I worked with as many as 26 full power nuclear reactors within about a half mile of me for many years. If someone built a nuclear plant in Adamsville, TN, I would be the first one to cheer it on and would try to get a job there. Nuclear power is safe and far less polluting than coal. I would be glad to see a nuclear power plant but would fight a coal fired one. I am a Democrat and say that about nuclear power. > To wit- those gay terrorists who disrupted that church service in > Lansing, MI last Sunday. Here's a serious question. How do you know that some of them are not "Log Cabin" Republicans? I assume you know what a "Log Cabin" Republican is. Do you assume ALL gays are not possible to be Republicans? Do you really believe there were no Republican gays in the group and how would you know to make an assumption like that? Without a doubt I am sure that there were Democrats in that group and even some Independents and probably some Libertarians, but what makes you say that there are only leftists in the group and there were no Republican gays in that group? I know some Republican gays and I am sure you know them too. Do you understand my point? There are people of all parties who don't want certain things in their neighborhood and there are people of all parties who are gay. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 09:00:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72295 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 17:00:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 17:00:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 17:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 17:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.135] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 17:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp108.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 17:00:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 507612.80841.bm@omp108.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 23965 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 17:00:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp107.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 17:00:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OCr_cS0VM1l7Wut8LMYWsXLgRq04aj0TQ6DMV_xoqGDTQDAxVf8ZjHfwakv9souqon3WF8SuzXJYcCxCrbx9dDhhxxdEe3VDRZkojjN_2SgQJmrUJ0JQlGG1pipUV8jGM7xgt.wDP9tqUPbyBRmTRKVucCMzMMYNOVyhqDVsUsX1Yj0NVxldrahO1Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <018a01c94677$f5cd6120$d503fea9@stodd> References: <967597.8817.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <018a01c94677$f5cd6120$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <569E0636-4ED7-4C24-8810-9569DD018FC7@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:00:17 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=zUiYnKcKucWRjEV1iattGnPbvIGdZD1FVgfCKECh2bzl7SNDKw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:40 AM, wrote: > Anyone know what the name is of thekind of music they're playing? > Some of it sounds mariachi, but a lot of the singers sound nearly > operatic. > They play.... Ranchera Nortena Baladas Grupera Mariachi Cumbias Tejano Tropical Son Soca and even rock from America sometimes. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 09:01:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31600 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 17:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 17:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n70.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 17:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n70.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 17:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.29] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 17:01:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.75.179] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 17:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp100.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 17:01:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 872921.65527.bm@omp100.mail.re1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 46676 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 17:01:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 17:01:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0z5vJbQVM1mYZrJsMu6JNiILIgm7VuOeDR9TRRd6Q_OfeF.W0wWgKOXIITLwybhMgolnbxOaBfp8T6U3jUyoPEptZ1DCdpe4ODbuzMS1Y7u6Vz5l5x1E3dJKyNxgt5qt9O4U7ZXFRyHk_Zd3S0IBxtzpddLwChMYxesfvRE1OxOtcAf38VLzXIjI6g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <01ae01c94678$49ef2900$d503fea9@stodd> References: <21700.64477.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <01ae01c94678$49ef2900$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8CCB39C7-C5C0-44F4-AAE9-CA975ECA5ABA@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:01:43 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=_spAoSZM0CamFLIIK9jP5nyw7VxF-mcye3mH0pYrl6fUois6Uw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Who is that? On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > Hey- I WANTED to vote for a black guy for President, but Michael > Steele wasn't running. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 09:08:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30419 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 17:08:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 17:08:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 17:08:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 17:08:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.166] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 17:08:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp101.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 17:08:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 610343.508.bm@omp101.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 46518 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 17:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 17:01:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8yLPtp4VM1lpLR_9F652smp64_Fh8rgeZCQgcFB6jLdmNcoh9QEMrWfrBLglXsK3jPXbzvRvkHXh4tPtfu.1z5_2Vsr5AwpmVT43bakmOtvpLA8YYcyPnIY4BdF8z6VKLx8FVUAiWFLC8iuAyhxtsIUPbk9FUd0sAeXXsHDwaaB6BPKnsrAiF.x48g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <019e01c94678$3183a260$d503fea9@stodd> References: <252406.28040.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <019e01c94678$3183a260$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:01:20 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Xe75qfu-25Lhw1u6K1A3ijiRl50c0ftpWrzSOjJgNjZ6cwMhDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > IOW- he gets to be crucified but race-baiter Jesse Jackass gets > forgiveness for using the term Hymietown. As a Democrat, I have not forgiven him and do not like him. Perhaps again you have spoken too soon. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 14 09:09:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39612 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 17:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 17:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 17:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.234] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081114110902002949400015.0) with SMTP id <20081114110902002949400015> for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:09:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01f201c9467b$f8bb0e60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <387527.89950.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:09:02 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Back on topic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ib0cxzLq13VTdlSkRj28iQVYom1P8ps462efcvJ8Q-wWZYkYolGx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A well maintained tower can last 75 years, but those certainly aren't being replaced before their time. Plus, if the real estate from at least one of those sites has become valuable, likely they could roll over the proceeds from the sale to the new project. Don't know which stations are involved, but a set of diplexed directionals, while eminently doable, is something you NEED to put a lot of effort into building right to keep it stable. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:40 AM Subject: {AMSF} Back on topic Enough guys; back to radio. We have 2 AM's here that were planning a new co-located AM tower site, but now they've asked the FCC for a 'delay' - can I assume it's because they don't have any money left to fix and combine their two decrepit AM tower sites into one, but they won't give-up the stations to somebody else either? The towers now are 62 years old and 54 years ago - I'm assuming that steel won't last one more ice storm anymore? John --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Nov 14 09:35:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29314 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 17:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 17:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost06.isp.att.net) (204.127.217.106) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 17:35:14 -0000 X-Received: from fwebmail17.isp.att.net ([204.127.221.117]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20081114173514H0600s59pfe>; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:35:14 +0000 X-Received: from [209.149.16.45] by fwebmail17.isp.att.net; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:35:12 +0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:35:12 +0000 Message-Id: <111420081735.5419.491DB6D0000B79FF0000152B22228869349B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF060E0B040E9A09@att.net> In-Reply-To: <264BF7BC-8730-4739-AB0B-30B518F69DC6@yahoo.com> References: <111420081531.14143.491D99C5000582370000373F22218865869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF060E0B040E9A09@att.net> <264BF7BC-8730-4739-AB0B-30B518F69DC6@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2008) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z3VhbGRhakBiZWxsc291dGgubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 204.127.217.106 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: gualdaj@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Right-wing radio sounds false alarm on 'Fairness Doctrine' - LA Times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=0P5J8WibB3adazH_iHjOQwiwgm0r-BoZusjkgPaKKxZtsoo X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL The savage weiner ! damn, that's funny................. -------------- Original message from kevin redding : -------------- On Nov 14, 2008, at 9:31 AM, gualdaj@bellsouth.net wrote: > Thanks Kevin for providing this article. I for one am tired of the > wingnuts "phoney outrage" on this NON ISSUE ! > It ain't happening Limbaugh, Hannity, & fellow wingnuts, so move on ! Add another nut job to the list. Mike Huckabee landed a gig with ABC Radio. Don't forget Michael (Weiner) Savage, leader of the Savage Nation. Somehow with his real name, The Savage Weiner, doesn't sound the same. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 14 09:40:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66294 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 17:40:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 17:40:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 17:40:26 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.234] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081114103106002917100011.0) with SMTP id <20081114103106002917100011> for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:31:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <011001c94676$aaa69960$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <215330.37849.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:31:06 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=qNMCoru9G5H0H_Ya5kjosk_KTq3zu97QnFOQpr3y_wRtfA9AXsAC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not in the smaller markets, from what I've heard. Maybe it's different where you are but from reading Radio Ink there are lots of places where radio is still strong because of local focus. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Localism is dead and has been dead forever on radio. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Nov 14 09:45:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45877 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 17:45:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 17:45:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 17:45:01 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so995732qwe.35 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:45:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.244.13 with SMTP id r13mr1259349qah.180.1226684701022; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:45:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm129291qwb.7.2008.11.14.09.44.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:45:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00b801c94673$f004ce80$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:44:55 -0500 References: <894017.50840.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <00b801c94673$f004ce80$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=wFp-GhfogH4sX2TVq29MPgbtFk1WE573qV0rfqUAEyd3uyfcj33mEZ8sfZ5ZsA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 14, 2008, at 11:11 AM, wrote: > Sometimes I like to listen to my big 1937 Zenith console. The RCA Model 16C "Super Brain" console is another Super-HiFi radio. It ieven came with a Line out on it! Possum From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 14 10:04:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57112 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 18:04:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 18:04:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 18:04:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.234] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081114120439000833000013.0) with SMTP id <20081114120439000833000013> for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:04:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <028201c94683$bc6d2760$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1A589C38-0DE8-4B06-879C-A0BF179D7C00@yahoo.com> <00f401c94675$9c028aa0$d503fea9@stodd> <075C4D42-65E0-43F4-BC29-AEF54A39F58B@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:04:39 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=BUZOZMFUv0NxadE82m84sz6R9uAsI8gn1x9M_mmBkV9niT80CQPg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your points in order: Setting aside the NIMBY factor, opposition to new nuke plants is almost entirely from the left. You are certainly a welcome exception. I wouldn't be opposed to either coal or nuke near my place, especially if it means the difference between keeping the lights on or not. It's not too likely that I'd end up near either since usually they usually need to be near substantial bodies of water, something I'm not. The fly ash from coal can make some wonderous stuff as it's a great replacement for portland cement. Much of I-94 through North Dakota is paved with it. Yes- they're gay Republicans. Note that not even all gays want marriage redefined as two men or two women. For the most part, gays already have parallel legal rights to married people. While you're right, I don't know how many of those people might have been Log Cabin Republicans, it's a non-issue. It was staged to try and intimidate those who disagreed with them. If they're full fledged lefties or LCR's, they're equally scum for attempting such a tactic. Could someone please explain to me why the opposition to same sex marriage has to be based on "hate" on the part of people like me, rather than just a legitimate difference of opinion? Michael Steele is a black guy who was Lt. Governor of Maryland. As for your comments on the not so Rev. Jackson, you are again a welcome exception. Not too many on the left with your opinion. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com People of all parties do not want to have a nuclear power or coal fired plant near them. [snip] Here's a serious question. How do you know that some of them are not "Log Cabin" Republicans? I assume you know what a "Log Cabin" Republican is. Who is that? On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > Hey- I WANTED to vote for a black guy for President, but Michael > Steele wasn't running. On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > IOW- he gets to be crucified but race-baiter Jesse Jackass gets > forgiveness for using the term Hymietown. As a Democrat, I have not forgiven him and do not like him. Perhaps again you have spoken too soon. Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 10:10:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43638 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 18:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 18:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 18:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 18:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.248] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 18:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 18:10:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 391334.18781.bm@omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 66580 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 18:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 18:10:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nUg5rUcVM1nRThi3vJcPmkbE9VqLQyX2ug1GyeiL45ws1QMqoO4XW8PtHQZOTJ8TwsuYWeNgScjzyhqllTEQa11SRhzZw3CxvxysjvGPOmKaS5rzdFEjCeg04OWLEkcj1TvrJ1OmioRP3V5VXwwbj6tyxjqPI7vlyjWP4_jG633kWLjZsjzmGCbGcg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <028201c94683$bc6d2760$d503fea9@stodd> References: <1A589C38-0DE8-4B06-879C-A0BF179D7C00@yahoo.com> <00f401c94675$9c028aa0$d503fea9@stodd> <075C4D42-65E0-43F4-BC29-AEF54A39F58B@yahoo.com> <028201c94683$bc6d2760$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4624C83D-0540-4A08-9974-5BB16BBD1F7A@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:10:16 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=qc5PHD9Azm676af2mZ4ruVEV24N0g3LwDfMqyM0T9OBrRb3J5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:04 PM, wrote: > As for your comments on the not so Rev. Jackson, you are again a > welcome exception. Not too many on the left with your opinion. Be ye not surprised. I talk to a lot more lefties than you and can tell you that there are a lot of lefties who are sick of Jackson and a lot of others of the old guard. This thinking of yours is quite incorrect as you probably don't get in the same circles as most lefties. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 10:12:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35405 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 18:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 18:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.237) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 18:12:17 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 18:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 18:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 18:12:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 967399.7671.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 6567 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 18:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 18:12:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EDmC6RcVM1m_znTRKZxBVKxmwU7Ge_5DropU9fXduGZQyc5ENrK87zLYydEzPOxFybMTKKEok99YfbWMCkcqtJJ2SU7SZdkDhssAAEoSpqGexPh0EftLFg6SKakD_.JEN8YnLyBIALCd6tH8V4cdSkvSoZsVaGtpg6PJwQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: References: <894017.50840.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <00b801c94673$f004ce80$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4900147E-9425-4A2C-A824-31D9623E9C23@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:12:15 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=U-tuvGpNOTQ7aIPyjte2j6LTb9bdSNCpsXYAOy_w34y3VwnOag X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 14, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > The RCA Model 16C "Super Brain" console is another Super-HiFi radio. > It ieven came with a Line out on it! Hey Kevin, Do you have a picture of this? I have never seen or heard of it. Kevin From keith1226@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 10:23:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89086 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 18:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 18:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.130) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 18:23:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42461 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 18:23:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MuQNJWkVM1ktp_93aAxCDzDIcGoImt2bYUm_cVLIgi0zd0QosQaBJFGM_7TiUSGJUvF2UQNEc3zH9l._JEB3I8ApYbBWusXimThIVOBrpguLBnXfValH_wWfj0Miegfzxq3rW1iI25sJofKjc4Y.nciDVcSCxF.anvwu9HyqdwVfe69401Nq.16uzlE- X-Received: from [76.121.22.52] by web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:23:16 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:23:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <23799C98-C209-40E5-A4F1-F7E4A720A9F5@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <443177.42074.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.130 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=xOIdVg_DrpXw2U3Stz2FRYdfCOwL1bBZ0_ra64ZvT3GKGWqc X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Kevin, Is there anything on the 42-50 mHz FM band these days? Keith --- On Fri, 11/14/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 8:41 AM > On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:11 AM, > wrote: > > > Sometimes I like to listen to my big 1937 Zenith > console. For AM > > stereo I use an old Panasonic SC555 component system > that I > > modified about a decade ago. Also got a 1946 Zenith > table radio in > > the kitchen, but its fidelity is only fair. > > I have an old Zenith Radio from 1940 or so that has the old > and new > FM Bands and an AM band, It sounds good and I like it a > lot. I have a > couple of real old Zenith Trans-Oceanics a 500G and H500 > that are > really nice sounding. Of course I have a Hallicrafters > SX-99 that has > a 16 kHz setting for AM and HF that is as good as FM on a > strong and > steady station. > > Some of the old stuff is incredibly good. Power hungry but > man, they > sure sound nice. > > Kevin > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Nov 14 10:24:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25048 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 18:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 18:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 18:24:49 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so919366qwi.23 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:24:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.11.20 with SMTP id 20mr1344685qak.77.1226687088777; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:24:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm133785qwh.2.2008.11.14.10.24.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:24:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <18458F9E-1282-49E5-92D6-46EFB273D53E@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4900147E-9425-4A2C-A824-31D9623E9C23@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:24:43 -0500 References: <894017.50840.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <00b801c94673$f004ce80$d503fea9@stodd> <4900147E-9425-4A2C-A824-31D9623E9C23@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=FuVmtRBmacG60vY70eohmXZofnnaEK-feOcCo81E-G66D8adPG5wthPi_FgUzA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 14, 2008, at 1:12 PM, kevin redding wrote: > Do you have a picture of this? I have never seen or heard of it. Mine was killed in a hurricane. Possum From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 10:34:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97498 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 18:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 18:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.93) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 18:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 18:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.145] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 18:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp203.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 18:34:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 750701.1842.bm@omp203.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 75140 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 18:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp112.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 18:34:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: a_gy.OcVM1liTWtHi8hKBy4QN4l0jTdUzeyTDbdeUuVL6aFsmu06sn5FpEN0Oury9hR3KS514eCknM549tDfSsuunsMcc5CGqaXDsMWgliRErvaC3DfeWC2yY9zbNafUk4Qrw4Cowizib_4f3KyKL.nCBqn6_5j7yiXZ6Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <443177.42074.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <443177.42074.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6B355896-1339-4CC4-8E29-4880085E9DA4@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:34:47 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=aMF87oQHhmpdH8eByuX-wtwaGFFOShyUAbvCaPS-9JttgRbKxg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla 2 things 1. Old 49 MHz cell phones. 2. On extremely rare occasion, Es happens from Chile and they play some super nice elevator music. Kevin On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:23 PM, keith beesley wrote: > Kevin, > > Is there anything on the 42-50 mHz FM band these days? > > Keith From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 10:57:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7324 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 18:57:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 18:57:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 18:57:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92079 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 18:57:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ggux5KkVM1kAvOQzE6EP7s9qQun_.zujezK.fFrYg1fr0xTXy_It5njSc0ps8cbhmrNedFyuV9ElHKR2eC_9N6wz1fKlBUpdPF.9L69oVYWzv5DQIVuTPdn6fFcGSwXSD.ncMb6lrVWfTzZbLX0IKGdCa.RW2Hh9E5NhDA-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:57:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:57:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <23799C98-C209-40E5-A4F1-F7E4A720A9F5@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <27750.91723.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=C_4XWsBccNRjmZCwx5FmzrJQBO1o_2ATV6994KOLG0w X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My Philco 46-1209 console is great, but it's ill right now as the oscillato= r tube socket fell apart. I listen to the late model Zenith High Fidelity m= odel X-337 a lot.=A0 I now have 2.=A0 The earlier models had the band switc= h in the middle of the volume, and it was easy for it to get broken, and th= ose often needed to have capacitors replaced.=A0 I also have a Sony TR-712 = that plays all day long for Jolene.=A0 She knows all of us at the station a= nd she gets to hear familiar voices.=A0 It runs on 3 D cells. It's been run= ning daily for 12 hours a day for a MONTH on the old "red" Panasonic Carbon= Zinc batteries I found I had and they are way past the best by date. There= was a yellow one also and it MAY have a TR-7120 designation. I recently pu= rchased a late 50's early 60's Motorola tube type AM FM that's just about a= s good as the Zenith in sound, but it has a power transformer, and line out= put and phono input. I need to lubricate things.... =A0 Powell =A0 =A0 =A0 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net =A0=A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 14 10:59:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29838 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 18:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 18:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 18:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.234] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081114125925000964700010.0) with SMTP id <20081114125925000964700010> for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:59:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <02e601c9468b$641a1840$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <443177.42074.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <6B355896-1339-4CC4-8E29-4880085E9DA4@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:59:25 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Hk6e8adQsck-vylNPLFsh0IQD6p2mpWoHcc3mJxjakMha7ynPPj3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the Forest Service has some stuff there too, as some older Highway Patrol stuff, mostly east coast, IIRC. Largely it's vacant, though. I heard some guy is attempting to re-establish an FM service there. Can't remember his name but he did a re-enactment of the Armstrong station from his old laboratory in NJ a year or so ago. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? 2 things 1. Old 49 MHz cell phones. 2. On extremely rare occasion, Es happens from Chile and they play some super nice elevator music. Kevin On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:23 PM, keith beesley wrote: > Kevin, > > Is there anything on the 42-50 mHz FM band these days? > > Keith --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 14 11:06:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32489 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 19:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 19:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 19:06:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44755 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 19:06:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: n9s0g68VM1lb68ATKo1QVEumqt3_8U9zLIYypadeMm5.HprJUDzPklJARXGTQ71BD_kA_yH9UU9yMUJgDuekp9.edkmVY4slOqX7kaqwfsYlYhpalvL4vgtZlo.FA4deePrJ_qTzmgFuSlTuhJC5wcaP18AcQw1rIJ06H0mTKFSEcpQ- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:06:34 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:06:34 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <028201c94683$bc6d2760$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <121554.44376.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=hXJbz5QJGU1n1k-r6LE7mKD8OoBnuwm7Tpa90vt35Q5Jm0KNL-_G X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep the nuke=A0plants=A0are good till they melt down or the shit hits the f= an some other way then you dont want to be anywhere near one.=A0 You might = want to get the hell out of dodge then!=A0 Oh wait I forgot all that waste = that remains hazzardously radioactive for thousands of years.=A0 Yep thats = really safe! =A0 --- On Fri, 11/14/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 1:04 PM Your points in order: Setting aside the NIMBY factor, opposition to new nuke plants is almost ent= irely from the left. You are certainly a welcome exception. I wouldn't be o= pposed to either coal or nuke near my place, especially if it means the dif= ference between keeping the lights on or not. It's not too likely that I'd = end up near either since usually they usually need to be near substantial b= odies of water, something I'm not. The fly ash from coal can make some wond= erous stuff as it's a great replacement for portland cement. Much of I-94 t= hrough North Dakota is paved with it. Yes- they're gay Republicans. Note that not even all gays want marriage red= efined as two men or two women. For the most part, gays already have parall= el legal rights to married people. While you're right, I don't know how man= y of those people might have been Log Cabin Republicans, it's a non-issue. = It was staged to try and intimidate those who disagreed with them. If they'= re full fledged lefties or LCR's, they're equally scum for attempting such = a tactic. Could someone please explain to me why the opposition to same sex= marriage has to be based on "hate" on the part of people like me, rather t= han just a legitimate difference of opinion? Michael Steele is a black guy who was Lt. Governor of Maryland. As for your comments on the not so Rev. Jackson, you are again a welcome ex= ception. Not too many on the left with your opinion. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kevin redding=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 People of all parties do not want to have a nuclear power or=20 coal fired plant near them.=20 [snip] Here's a serious question. How do you know that some of them are not=20 "Log Cabin" Republicans? I assume you know what a "Log Cabin"=20 Republican is. Who is that? On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > Hey- I WANTED to vote for a black guy for President, but Michael=20 > Steele wasn't running. On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:42 AM, wrote: > IOW- he gets to be crucified but race-baiter Jesse Jackass gets=20 > forgiveness for using the term Hymietown. As a Democrat, I have not forgiven him and do not like him. Perhaps=20 again you have spoken too soon. 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([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm141990qwi.5.2008.11.14.11.08.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:08:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3BDCB645-5037-4A2F-8722-15214D8FC375@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <443177.42074.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:08:15 -0500 References: <443177.42074.qm@web51109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=qNtyHWjKBy-TRDEzY4N5gwLn5THSaXU6KpWKlQHoesBJJTi5jaaE9neSHLnOVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 14, 2008, at 1:23 PM, keith beesley wrote: > Kevin, > > Is there anything on the 42-50 mHz FM band these days? Lots of old Walkie talkies and cordless phones on 49 Mhz. Also Low Band VHF 2-way mobile, but not used much any more. I hear some E skip from TV Channel 1 sometimes. Possum From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 14 11:11:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8827 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 19:11:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 19:11:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 19:11:09 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d30.429c0e0b (37031) for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:11:01 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.148]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB021-5c62491dcd3e1a8; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:11:00 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MY11 (webmail-my11.sim.aol.com [64.12.108.22]) by smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB018-5c62491dcd3e1a8; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:10:54 -0500 References: <20081113.145648.10312.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:10:54 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: <20081113.145648.10312.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by WEBMAIL-MY11.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.22) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:10:54 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB14A3DA2544D7-1A0-12EF@WEBMAIL-MY11.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=LxPqaKpmn75IKauy0EnCRATYqBeCs1Q8jX5mcsnuONfHiMrhdRFOXhk8ajBD2JPB X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 6.25%. 43.75%, 6.25%.? That's what I meant by slicing the race salami thin.? Race defined with three and four digit precision.? I don't think even the boys in Berlin were that precise! You should be as precise with your African history.? The President Elect's heritage is Kenyan.? That's on the opposite coast of the African continent (yes, Sarah, Africa is a continent not a country) from where slaves brought to the Western Hemisphere were taken.? The Kenyans were never slave traders.??Some were taken as slaves by, strangely enough, Arabs.? See Vasco de Gama. By the way, when did it become alright to persecute Arabs in this country?? What are you?? French? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 11:14:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15503 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 19:14:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 19:14:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 19:14:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3828 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 19:14:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JOld66QVM1lQ91ZTzBkxq2fYVJlqExxboT8XJjkqT0DSafoi9urm2mEofBIIOzGZfQjDLjZZSs_3iDmiZfVnyCBCky3IXKUUz6lSH7sJxDi5FwBv.gqhMSPhHmccpZJ34pj6EjJ_wpfvh8U3gzcMnXCm6eNVK4ShCVn5Dw-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:14:45 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:14:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <23799C98-C209-40E5-A4F1-F7E4A720A9F5@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <323120.3364.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: 49 megahertz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=J3_MgO5T0aBEMkhRuGZlmmre0IKB5-_s7Ztj-IxBncI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The state of SC has a control point of radios on 49 megahertz they really d= on't use. They CAN cover the whole state with it. They have new whizband di= gital stuff that I expect doesn't work very well.=A0=20 =A0 There are no new 49 megahertz cordless phones. PART of those phones worked = in the expanded AM band ..... and some of them were AM!=A0 HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.= .... I know someone that did something with the EB part..... heh heh !! =A0 =A0 =A0 Powell =A0 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net =A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jon@kenneke.com Fri Nov 14 11:23:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8356 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 19:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 19:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 19:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from kenneke.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAEJNgrF032332 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:23:42 -0800 X-Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id mAEJNeNg032328 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:23:41 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:23:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CAF90924CF53EF-E10-931@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: References: <560379.43983.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com><8CAF7AA7B4E4E54-84-1E1D@WEBMAIL-MA16.sysops.aol.com> <8CAF90924CF53EF-E10-931@FWM-M41.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.4 (kenneke.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:23:42 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: 65.103.64.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jon Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664; y=pqaV3dm3N_PQ20t09_jc-bs-_kcxp2dJLBZ_lun-Rf30mPU1AQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke (Yes, it's more than a month later) Yup, HP has a big facility in Corvallis. They used to manufacture HP calculators and ink jet cartridges there...it's now all off shore. There has been big layoffs there. J On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Doesn't Hewlett Packard have some kind of presence in Corvallis? > > I remember seeing a documentary a number of years ago about a middle manager?who had been downsized in the early 80s who put his life savings into a Shakey's franchise.? It showed his struggle and that of his family who all pitched in to work the restaurant.? Sadly, in the end, he went under.? Nice guy who worked hard, his customers loved him and the pizza, but it was during the 80s recession and people didn't have money to eat out. > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jon > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 8:02 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Shakeys Pizza > > > > > > > > Yup, we used to have one in Corvallis, OR. It still exists as a pizza > parlor with a name of Izzy's. I forget the story, but I think Izzy and > her husband owned the Shakey's. For some reason, they dropped the > franchise, and started their own deal, calling it Izzy's. It a small > chain in this area these days. > > Why? > > J > > On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > > > > > Does anyone remember Shakeys Pizza? > > > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Nov 14 11:28:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24076 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 19:28:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 19:28:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 19:28:32 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so989027qwc.12 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:28:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.183.7 with SMTP id g7mr1407727qaf.171.1226690911730; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:28:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm146910qwh.2.2008.11.14.11.28.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:28:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <757C87C8-9542-4872-ABAD-401980B10E92@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <323120.3364.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:28:27 -0500 References: <323120.3364.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 49 megahertz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=RuEYqE58ooOGGqPY8L_VdDwPHMOLBuCoEhHWcaKXELob0C3ukVFdjFU98CQ3xg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > There are no new 49 megahertz cordless phones. PART of those phones > worked in the expanded AM band ..... and some of them were AM! yes, I used to tune around on the old "Police Band" and listen to all sorts of phone calls. One guy around me still has one! Dad had an old Cobra that would pick up stuff and Dial 911 all by its self! I think that was around 1987 or so he got rid of it. > HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... I know someone that did something with the EB > part..... heh heh !! ROFL! Possum From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Nov 14 11:36:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56521 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 19:36:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 19:36:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 19:36:36 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so1087252qwb.7 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:36:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.215.66.9 with SMTP id t9mr1407273qak.214.1226691395558; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:36:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm148693qwb.7.2008.11.14.11.36.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:36:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <33B6BCD8-3DBD-488D-A58B-DBE565487666@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <387527.89950.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:36:30 -0500 References: <387527.89950.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Back on topic X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=7qAPQenm6mYlQPwnDJUJ6cKz2XyJxVzXQOecHK7zQHKwuC0QFC-y7zB0zTYo3w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 14, 2008, at 8:40 AM, John P. wrote: > can I assume it's because they don't have any money left to fix and > combine their two decrepit AM tower sites into one, but they won't > give-up the stations to somebody else either? They could be having problems cooking up a Tower & Combining network that will both work and meet the local standards set by the "Not In My Back Yard" crowd, and RF exposure standards. It can be a VERY difficult (Read EXPENSIVE) balance to make work. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 14 11:38:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38578 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 19:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 19:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 19:38:15 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d23.2d21ce88 (37032) for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:37:58 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB022-5c4a491dd3883cf; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:37:57 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MY11 (webmail-my11.sim.aol.com [64.12.108.22]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA018-5c4a491dd3883cf; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:37:44 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:37:44 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: <121554.44376.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by WEBMAIL-MY11.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.22) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:37:44 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB14A7989698D7-23C-9D@WEBMAIL-MY11.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=gaOZVRZF4IPjPxOdlWfRx1Ho8Y7g2Ta5gj-uUVIHvxaAzR6EsQ09C9BI2BF-KrIC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am an unbashed liberal Democrat.? I cast my first vote for George McGovern.? I am also an engineer who graduated from a school that had a large nuclear engineering program.? Although I was a EE, I attended many of the same classes.? The Nuke program for a B.S. was 5 years, not the normal 4.? Several of my classmates are nuclear engineers or mechanical engineers who specialized in nuclear plants.? All but one have moved on to other things with the sole remaining one working for the government. I believe safe nuclear plants CAN be built, but not in the U.S..? The problem is not the technology, but the contractors who build them and the lax inspectors who inspect them.? Nuclear plants are expensive, very expensive.? All that money leads to corruption in a system such as ours.? When it comes to operating personnel, my classmates in the industry tell me they range between ex-Navy guys who would go down with a plant and Homer Simpson, with most being the later. Getting back to the subject of radio, I happened across a domestic shortwave station at around 7.540 Mhz that puts out a scorching signal to here in Lower Arkansas (L.A.).? It makes?WOAI look like a peanut whistle.?The programming seemed to lean to the Right, although it was definitely not VOA.? They were talking about adverse environmental impact of wind turbines.? Apparently, these put out sub-audible sound that carries for tens of miles which has an adverse effect on humans. I am hoping C2C picks up on the wind turbine issue. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 14 11:45:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54811 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 19:45:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 19:45:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 19:45:45 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d32.444c6b40 (34929) for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:45:30 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.149]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA042-5c64491dd5541; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:45:28 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MY11 (webmail-my11.sim.aol.com [64.12.108.22]) by smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB022-5c64491dd5541; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:45:24 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:45:24 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: <323120.3364.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by WEBMAIL-MY11.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.22) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:45:24 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB14A8ABA2C189-23C-11B@WEBMAIL-MY11.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 49 megahertz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=iZXzEBolkwzYMcNeoAN2UKBXDWl7d-0aSdIbWjn21p9qhU0ghollaO-WaCc1VksV X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The original FM?broadcast band operated near this frequency.? Armstrong's Yankee Network had a flagship station that operated in excess of 50 kW, which wasn't too shabby for those days.? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 1:14 pm Subject: {AMSF} 49 megahertz The state of SC has a control point of radios on 49 megahertz they really don't use. They CAN cover the whole state with it. They have new whizband digital stuff that I expect doesn't work very well.? ? There are no new 49 megahertz cordless phones. PART of those phones worked in the expanded AM band ..... and some of them were AM!? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... I know someone that did something with the EB part..... heh heh !! ? ? ? Powell ? NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 14 11:55:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96521 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 19:55:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 19:55:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 19:55:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bc8.41797d2b (34932) for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:55:36 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA045-5c51491dd7b42c4; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:55:36 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MY11 (webmail-my11.sim.aol.com [64.12.108.22]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA027-5c51491dd7b42c4; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:55:32 -0500 References: <323120.3364.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <757C87C8-9542-4872-ABAD-401980B10E92@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:55:32 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: <757C87C8-9542-4872-ABAD-401980B10E92@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by WEBMAIL-MY11.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.22) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:55:32 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB14AA15F78113-23C-1C8@WEBMAIL-MY11.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 49 megahertz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=4CSPMXUxjjYDetvHDooaLL1Dxmn0N2jN54Najr9Hlt3sgdT3owpo4yj6a0mpJJW9 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Odd you should mention this.? My 1941 Zenith Big Black Dial radio over goes to 1600 on the AM broadcast band, so I used to listen to KCJJ on the "Police Band" which was on the radio's shortwave band.? Sounds great, but I digress. Occassionally, I would pickup a telephone conversation.? Given I though wireless and cell phones were FM and mostly digital, I thought I needed a medication adjustment.? I mean its hard to make a combination FM detector and packet decoder out of a single 6F5. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 1:28 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} 49 megahertz On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > There are no new 49 megahertz cordless phones. PART of those phones > worked in the expanded AM band ..... and some of them were AM! yes, I used to tune around on the old "Police Band" and listen to all sorts of phone calls. One guy around me still has one! Dad had an old Cobra that would pick up stuff and Dial 911 all by its self! I think that was around 1987 or so he got rid of it. > HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... I know someone that did something with the EB > part..... heh heh !! ROFL! Possum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 12:02:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2205 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 20:02:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 20:02:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.108) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 20:02:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n1.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 20:02:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.136] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 20:02:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp109.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2008 20:02:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 706464.6917.bm@omp109.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 78439 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 19:35:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp101.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 19:35:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bhBS8boVM1nW5aOSDse9FBy3Eg7j_UC8xHxH9no.iU9p8rzyoeDsROphWWGOjW3CtaaJ_dHjkfHwi0AJXFjX4OmK4E.gQPXLUN_U5dqYktRD7ZCC44DcHGpzEMlJaDMG0fkQxq24tfy8CgZAHjGRoxjdGFOySaIHzlyR1g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <121554.44376.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <121554.44376.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2F26611F-3363-41E7-94EE-B7C69EE6A81F@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:35:17 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=8uH7tYnESPw_StAo_-K5kgxr4ROE9xI9gkTLje0J9x8Mpc_Trg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Yep the nuke plants are good till they melt down or the shit hits > the fan some other way then you dont want to be anywhere near one. > You might want to get the hell out of dodge then! Oh wait I forgot > all that waste that remains hazzardously radioactive for thousands > of years. Yep thats really safe! Here are our choices. There is a sell off to everything. Solar. Not enough power from this as our methods of energy transfer are inefficient. Also sun is not up over half the time. Takes an extremely large amount of space. Only good in the south and deserts. Power has to be saved in Lead Acid batteries. Lead is toxic. Wind. Not enough power from this as our methods of energy transfer are inefficient. Wind does not blow constantly. Takes lots of space. Only good on the plains. Power has to be saved in Lead Acid batteries. Lead is toxic. Hydro. Efficient but is bad for the riparian environment. Destroys the fish and aquatic plant life. Requires constant release of water for turbines. Geothermal. Energy transfer is not too efficient and is very expensive to drill deep enough to get good long term heat. Best on the Pacific Rim where there is volcanism and earthquakes. Coal. Lots of it in North America. High BTU factor, efficient. Coal is radioactive as hell. When we burn it we put uranium, thallium, radium and trace plutonium in the air. We breathe this and it is spread over continental surfaces. Tremendous amounts of greenhouse gases from burning. Oil. Not a lot in North America unless we expend a lot of capital to get it from very deep wells or extract it from coal, oil shale or tar sands. Tremendous amounts of greenhouse gases from burning. We have to buy it from foreign sources which is bankrupting the nation. Ethanol. Good use less greenhouse gas but still significant amount. Renewable. This uses plants that are used as food. The prices of food have increased because of its use. Food may be priced out of the reach of the poor. Nuclear. Clean due to no release of materials causing greenhouse gases. Does not use food plants which will raise prices. Waste can be confined to a very small area leaving the general environment safe. Modern plant design is not like those used in Chernobyl. The last plant in America that used that design was built in the late 1940s. Large amount of fail safe redundancy built in. Almost limitless power with tremendous BTU factor. Can be reduced in amount by reprocessing. Most European nations rely heavily on nuclear power. Kevin, if you look at a dog or a cat they have one small area in which they travel that they drop the load in. The rest of the area is clean and only one small area is polluted. I am willing to take the stuff to Antarctica or even Yucca Mountain and just leave that one small place dirty. I worked with the stuff for a long time and I am absolutely not afraid of it. Its like fire. If you know how to use it, you can get a lot of work out of it. And I will say it again. They can put a plant in my hometown any time. Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 12:04:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7635 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 20:04:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 20:04:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 20:04:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81701 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 20:04:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AV4fX.YVM1lKRZN_HAnc8acrIlI7uSO0AVn4MheMDvGfbMTvEef_7.MhgRdyREXSz4EKrzuNFh8e3kWf5OcK6tU6L3ST3xuxxMk8WC7q8uBVH_TYownHMpn5lDMBiqsSJ2ObjHIlYZ1O_6hI_oNq36JJ X-Received: from [72.241.176.83] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:04:10 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:04:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <432435.80560.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: VHF-Low Band: was favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=mEuVbtBrTCQnIMaiexlJABw6-DJyfNfpSzAnxHOzRLbzmeDRADubtIc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Keith asked: "...Is there anything on the 42-50 mHz FM band these days?..." Well Keith, originally, this was NTSC TV Channel #1, then the FM boys were going to get it, then it went to mobile FM service after WWII. Up until just a year or two ago, you would find many State Highway Police on these frequencies, along with the 2nd Walkie Talkie band (1st was CB CH14, then 49.860MHz, then the FRS/GMRS cluster). The 1980's analog cellphones also found a home here in the 46MHz/49MHz arena. Those are all narrow band FM whereas I believe the original FM was wideband FM?? From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Nov 14 12:06:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54883 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 20:06:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 20:06:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.146) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 20:06:46 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so1090087qwc.30 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:06:46 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.215.100.14 with SMTP id c14mr1413497qam.328.1226693206162; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:06:46 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm180440qwa.8.2008.11.14.12.06.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:06:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB14AA15F78113-23C-1C8@WEBMAIL-MY11.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:06:41 -0500 References: <323120.3364.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <757C87C8-9542-4872-ABAD-401980B10E92@gmail.com> <8CB14AA15F78113-23C-1C8@WEBMAIL-MY11.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} 49 megahertz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=BbbxRslA1I12kcbu2WzgviJq-Bdl7263EHko2TRbdXsVp087xiC_Tx7pWsgZ6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 14, 2008, at 2:55 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I thought I needed a medication adjustment.? Nope, just your neighbor needed a Cordless Phone Upgrade! On the old phones, the handset sent your side of the conversation on 49 Mhz to the base, and the base sent Both sides of the conversation on 1670 kHz or so to the handset. Possum From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 14 15:40:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13184 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 23:40:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 23:40:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 23:40:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59016 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 23:40:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4Zw6NQ4VM1lBucRhf5IyOpJkG84tzyXK6VHGSARGhX7NRY_hO4xcUdbPvBIg1DKlJ1PiYrJ.Byq.jJ3kDH0RTM3EhPHLWU7tIx2oHD8KbotlNcflw.1gRvUtkghAAPux1VqApqoSmNaOF0Ihk3hZJi3gn8WZsxOivuVUP8K6xCudP_E- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:40:08 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:40:08 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2F26611F-3363-41E7-94EE-B7C69EE6A81F@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <479962.58232.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=TLO5KBqXT5U8sxj7qtI5hJFEcm-lSUcM-E26lI19S5CVApNuQRjq X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable True but the Wilcox and Babcock Pressurized Water Reactor design of Three M= ile Island is the same as most others we have and we know that one malfunct= ioned at one point.=A0 Oconee is the same design up here in S.=A0 It's much= better than the RBK design that Chernobyl was but still things can happen.= I guess I'm the type of person who had rather side on caution.=A0 I think = even just one accident is enough to know you're playing with fire and will = get burned.=A0 Most people say yeah they are reasonably safe and all that b= ut those things are so dangerous if just one accident happens.=A0 Yes there= s tons of backup systems in them but anything can go wrong and when it does= you have a huge catastrophe.=A0 I'm not taking up for coal or other pollut= ants either.=A0 What we need is to quit saying "well we have this, this, an= d this, pick one"=A0 .=A0 We need to do more research into alternate source= s, something that doesn't provide so much waste.=A0 We get enoug low level radioactive waste just from hospitals and such.=A0 It combined with that o= f power plants are much more than people realize.=A0 After a while it begin= s to be a problem.=A0 What if this burried stuff breaks open through an ear= thquake and spills into the water table, then what?=A0 I just think its too= risky.=A0 Sure it's amazing the technology behind it and the story of Trin= ity and all those scientists but it's also very dangerous.=A0 I just like t= o err on the side of caution.=A0 We need more research into alternatives. --- On Fri, 11/14/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 2:35 PM > Yep the nuke plants are good till they melt down or the shit hits=20 > the fan some other way then you dont want to be anywhere near one.=20 > You might want to get the hell out of dodge then! Oh wait I forgot=20 > all that waste that remains hazzardously radioactive for thousands=20 > of years. Yep thats really safe! Here are our choices. There is a sell off to everything. Solar. Not enough power from this as our methods of energy transfer=20 are inefficient. Also sun is not up over half the time. Takes an=20 extremely large amount of space. Only good in the south and deserts.=20 Power has to be saved in Lead Acid batteries. Lead is toxic. Wind. Not enough power from this as our methods of energy transfer=20 are inefficient. Wind does not blow constantly. Takes lots of space.=20 Only good on the plains. Power has to be saved in Lead Acid=20 batteries. Lead is toxic. Hydro. Efficient but is bad for the riparian environment. Destroys=20 the fish and aquatic plant life. Requires constant release of water=20 for turbines. Geothermal. Energy transfer is not too efficient and is very=20 expensive to drill deep enough to get good long term heat. Best on=20 the Pacific Rim where there is volcanism and earthquakes. Coal. Lots of it in North America. High BTU factor, efficient. Coal=20 is radioactive as hell. When we burn it we put uranium, thallium,=20 radium and trace plutonium in the air. We breathe this and it is=20 spread over continental surfaces. Tremendous amounts of greenhouse=20 gases from burning. Oil. Not a lot in North America unless we expend a lot of capital to=20 get it from very deep wells or extract it from coal, oil shale or tar=20 sands. Tremendous amounts of greenhouse gases from burning. We have=20 to buy it from foreign sources which is bankrupting the nation. Ethanol. Good use less greenhouse gas but still significant amount.=20 Renewable. This uses plants that are used as food. The prices of food=20 have increased because of its use. Food may be priced out of the=20 reach of the poor. Nuclear. Clean due to no release of materials causing greenhouse=20 gases. Does not use food plants which will raise prices. Waste can be=20 confined to a very small area leaving the general environment safe.=20 Modern plant design is not like those used in Chernobyl. The last=20 plant in America that used that design was built in the late 1940s.=20 Large amount of fail safe redundancy built in. Almost limitless power=20 with tremendous BTU factor. Can be reduced in amount by reprocessing.=20 Most European nations rely heavily on nuclear power. Kevin, if you look at a dog or a cat they have one small area in=20 which they travel that they drop the load in. The rest of the area is=20 clean and only one small area is polluted. I am willing to take the=20 stuff to Antarctica or even Yucca Mountain and just leave that one=20 small place dirty. I worked with the stuff for a long time and I am absolutely not=20 afraid of it. Its like fire. If you know how to use it, you can get a=20 lot of work out of it. And I will say it again. They can put a plant=20 in my hometown any time. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 14 15:47:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75351 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 23:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 23:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 23:47:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5842 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2008 23:47:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b4ItR9YVM1mnXQdq9dNCQs6lvmZcc8U5uDj7nE7ipyVOyDdXgBsR.CcP3_R2vF9LedbZfqSLHltVTBDFi76MVqMjDtgZMTpK3n3On12DhI8TlH_IKhgt4PLHkU0jnayKvMcOR2yOAJIrt8HvHGcKZf_x7D7X9Qs0yJ00OApFDXjcHVU- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:47:20 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:47:20 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB14A7989698D7-23C-9D@WEBMAIL-MY11.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <285952.5766.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=O4t-WC9Bt10S5NufTbu8-P4PpXekuIBzd2GEO4MHecVG1t3LXxlb X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You're right and most do not know of the lax people being used to build the= m.=A0 My uncle worked on a few back in the 1970's.=A0 He was just recently = telling me of all kinds of stupid things people did and how they didn't car= e.=A0 He said they were just there to get a good paycheck and screw quality= control.=A0 You'd think people would care more but they don't.=A0 Those ar= e the mistakes that show up years later as a major malfunction labeled an "= accident".=A0 If you read deeply into Three Mile Island they released a goo= d bit of radiation, lots more than they claimed.=A0 They largely lied to th= e public about that whole accident.=A0 That one reactor building to this da= y is too radiactive to use or go into for long periods.=A0 Look and read th= e information is out there.=A0=A0=A0Chernobyl, while a very different desig= n, was a very scary reality.=A0 People keep saying "oh but it was a differe= nt design" .=A0 Well different design doesn't really mean shit when the thi= ng melts down and the containment building explodes and it can happen.=A0 Rem= ember at Three Mile Island they used to talk about the China Syndrome.=A0 L= ike I said it's safe till theres a malfunction.=A0 Chances of malfunctions = are statistically rising when they keep re-licensing these 30+ year old rea= ctors too when you think about it.=A0 I'm not being mean to anyone on here = at all.=A0 I'm just saying things can happen and you point out how quality = breaks down.=A0 It really does. --- On Fri, 11/14/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 2:37 PM I am an unbashed liberal Democrat.? I cast my first vote for George McGover= n.? I am also an engineer who graduated from a school that had a large nucl= ear engineering program.? Although I was a EE, I attended many of the same = classes.? The Nuke program for a B.S. was 5 years, not the normal 4.? Sever= al of my classmates are nuclear engineers or mechanical engineers who speci= alized in nuclear plants.? All but one have moved on to other things with t= he sole remaining one working for the government. I believe safe nuclear plants CAN be built, but not in the U.S..? The probl= em is not the technology, but the contractors who build them and the lax in= spectors who inspect them.? Nuclear plants are expensive, very expensive.? = All that money leads to corruption in a system such as ours.? When it comes= to operating personnel, my classmates in the industry tell me they range b= etween ex-Navy guys who would go down with a plant and Homer Simpson, with = most being the later. Getting back to the subject of radio, I happened across a domestic shortwav= e station at around 7.540 Mhz that puts out a scorching signal to here in L= ower Arkansas (L.A.).? It makes?WOAI look like a peanut whistle.?The progra= mming seemed to lean to the Right, although it was definitely not VOA.? The= y were talking about adverse environmental impact of wind turbines.? Appare= ntly, these put out sub-audible sound that carries for tens of miles which = has an adverse effect on humans. I am hoping C2C picks up on the wind turbine issue. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Nov 14 15:57:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93682 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2008 23:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2008 23:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f15.google.com) (209.85.217.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2008 23:57:46 -0000 X-Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so975946gxk.12 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:57:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.64.151.10 with SMTP id y10mr1514487qbd.95.1226707064784; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:57:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p27sm2111527qbp.16.2008.11.14.15.57.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:57:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <479962.58232.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:57:39 -0500 References: <479962.58232.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=6zTwuZvPQRlCPa6TztRyJS8pzG43jqCFreo2inmQ2GorS8KnTcsd2JWtHz2DLw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 For once I agree with you 100%. Yea they say the Pressurized Water Reactors are safe, but the day before the Chernobyl disaster, the builder of that plant bragged his design was so safe, he could build one on Red Square and everybody would be safe! The other thing the Republicans seem to forget is Nuclear is the most expensive way to generate electricity that is used in enough quantity to matter. The reason Nuclear Power is so widely used in Europe is the lack of other fuels to meet Electrical demand. Kevin in Upstate SC On Nov 14, 2008, at 6:40 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > True but the Wilcox and Babcock Pressurized Water Reactor design of > Three Mile Island is the same as most others we have and we know > that one malfunctioned at one point. Oconee is the same design up > here in S. It's much better than the RBK design that Chernobyl was > but still things can happen. I guess I'm the type of person who had > rather side on caution. I think even just one accident is enough to > know you're playing with fire and will get burned. Most people say > yeah they are reasonably safe and all that but those things are so > dangerous if just one accident happens. Yes theres tons of backup > systems in them but anything can go wrong and when it does you have > a huge catastrophe. I'm not taking up for coal or other pollutants > either. What we need is to quit saying "well we have this, this, > and this, pick one" . We need to do more research into alternate > sources, something that doesn't provide so much waste. We get enoug > low level > radioactive waste just from hospitals and such. It combined with > that of power plants are much more than people realize. After a > while it begins to be a problem. What if this burried stuff breaks > open through an earthquake and spills into the water table, then > what? I just think its too risky. Sure it's amazing the technology > behind it and the story of Trinity and all those scientists but it's > also very dangerous. I just like to err on the side of caution. We > need more research into alternatives. From w6yn@juno.com Fri Nov 14 16:10:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76201 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 00:10:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 00:10:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 00:10:51 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABET6E54A7TYPQ2 for (sender ); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:10:34 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxLtBkw+XO5vn4iIbuSA0Ss= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZZESKAF; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:10:02 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.20] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:09:41 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:09:41 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081114.160941.12773.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:33003351 X-MAIL-INFO:4485b8d1b588486938f11cb848158929c1095d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.149|webmail09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=lq9LLYDDWO4cHXR-h2zKllRT3NybX2gfL_sfqBlGzw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn What another rock thrower and name caller? The Arab slave trade from East Africa is one of the oldest slave trades, pr= edating the European transatlantic slave trade by hundreds of years. The Arab slave trade was the practice of slavery in West Asia, North Africa= , East Africa, and certain parts of Europe (such as Sicily and Iberia) duri= ng their period of domination by Arab leaders. The trade mostly involved No= rth and East Africans and Middle Eastern peoples (Arabs, Berbers, etc.). Al= so, the Arab slave trade was not limited to people of certain color, ethnic= ity, or religion. In the early days of the Islamic state=97during the 8th a= nd 9th centuries=97most of the slaves were Slavic Eastern Europeans, people= from surrounding Mediterranean areas, Persians, Turks, other neighboring M= iddle Eastern peoples, peoples from the Caucasus Mountain regions (such as = Georgia and Armenia) and parts of Central Asia, Berbers, and various other = peoples of varied origins as well as those of Black African origins. Later,= toward the 18th and 19th centuries, slaves increasingly came from East Afr= ica. The 'Oriental' or 'Arab' slave trade is sometimes called the 'Islamic'= slave trade The e-mail you question was just a listing of facts.=20 No judgments - No name calling - No snide remarks - No condemnations - No r= eference to Nazis - No misinformation, Just a listing of facts. Get over it. Don -- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: 6.25%. 43.75%, 6.25%.? That's what I meant by slicing the race salami thin.= ? Race defined with three and four digit precision.? I don't think even the= boys in Berlin were that precise! You should be as precise with your African history.? The President Elect's = heritage is Kenyan.? That's on the opposite coast of the African continent = (yes, Sarah, Africa is a continent not a country) from where slaves brought= to the Western Hemisphere were taken.? The Kenyans were never slave trader= s.??Some were taken as slaves by, strangely enough, Arabs.? See Vasco de Ga= ma. By the way, when did it become alright to persecute Arabs in this country??= What are you?? French? Mike From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 16:15:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8585 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 00:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 00:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.147) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 00:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 00:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.248] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 00:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 00:15:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 208356.69388.bm@omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 6919 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 00:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 00:15:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZZQtyxAVM1kEo6eMLfCaZUrmNp0RkEUbhm52CfOsHUX2I40H083kcv5FYGejBUfPWKKN2juuiC2Y9xBeaL.M2bmqwhPaMTstgSGH1D1o4GUtVHPZDzV4IegnPHOwby.8wEJNilaJp7Y8m3tttLMK9Z9zb94gi9iCd6I_2xYQ0NZWO3GC8JZrlSGt0.OkzqvrRzXt1WTmKrNcksPX14oo7xc7.O0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <285952.5766.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <285952.5766.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:15:19 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=HtA5bHwRKqPHdPfEH30ZnQ2qtp-Qcl66j4GoxmK8O44hyfW8HA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > You're right and most do not know of the lax people being used to > build them. I would bet that I am the only person who worked as a quality engineer in building nuclear power plants for the Navy on this list. I can tell you that every item on that power plant is traced to its ore or raw material. I can tell you that every pipe, weld, plate, concrete form and item is x-rayed. I can tell you that every item is pressure tested, thermally tested, operationally tested, electronically tested, visually tested, magnetically tested, eddy current tested, ultrasonically tested, some parts cat scanned, strain and stress tested, tensile and shear tested, charpy tested, gone through statistical process control, serials tracked and acoustic emissions tested and tests that you have never heard of. Yes there were people who were lax working but there were so many eyes watching and so many tests performed and so much documentation for each reactor that was built that there were forests cut down for all the paperwork. There were engineering documents and mathematical computations checked by other engineers and computers. There redundant safety features on top of redundant safety features. If you really look and look hard, the number of hours of operation to failure in nuclear power plants is beyond less than miniscule. Its the safest form of power used in the US today. > Those are the mistakes that show up years later as a major > malfunction labeled an "accident". That would be the case if the plants were not non-destructively tested constantly looking for possible failure modes. You really have no idea of what you are talking about. All you know is what the Republicans know and that is fear. You are fearful of what you don't understand. > If you read deeply into Three Mile Island they released a good bit > of radiation, lots more than they claimed. They largely lied to > the public about that whole accident. That one reactor building to > this day is too radiactive to use or go into for long periods. EVERY reactor building or containment area even when it is shut down is like that. ALL. That is why every person who goes into work in an area like that is monitored and has a dosimeter. There are radiation monitoring devices everywhere. The people who are working in the area test them and when they leave another monitor tests it while they are in there. No one is going to work in there without being monitored and there are areas that you can not be in long. > Look and read the information is out there. Chernobyl, while a > very different design, was a very scary reality. People keep > saying "oh but it was a different design" . Well different design > doesn't really mean shit when the thing > melts down and the containment building explodes and it can happen. Thats true but those type reactors are only used in Russia. I am not talking about those. I am only talking about the ones in use in the United States. > Remember at Three Mile Island they used to talk about the China > Syndrome. Yeah but that never has happened, Not even in Chernobyl and that was the worst of the worst. It is not possible to happen here. At least the likelihood is less than .0000001%. The reactors containment vessels are made in the US to take a direct hit by an airplane and not be damaged. > Like I said it's safe till theres a malfunction. Would you rather breathe and drink radioactive material put in the air from burning coal? Would you rather bankrupt the nation by buying oil from Arabs? > Chances of malfunctions are statistically rising when they keep re- > licensing these 30+ year old reactors too when you think about it. I believe you are wrong because there are no 30+ year old reactors. They are replaced about ever 60 months and the whole plant is overhauled. The external facility may be 30 years old but the plants never get a chance to get that old. > I'm not being mean to anyone on here at all. I'm just saying > things can happen and you point out how quality breaks down. It > really does. If there was no maintenance or checks on things, I could agree with you but not on this. I have been there and done it. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Nov 14 16:16:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80828 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 00:16:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 00:16:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.31) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 00:16:17 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so685977ywh.63 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:16:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.133.12 with SMTP id k12mr1543420qbn.65.1226708176556; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:16:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k30sm2262235qba.4.2008.11.14.16.16.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:16:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <285952.5766.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:16:12 -0500 References: <285952.5766.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=ZB75Dh4sG4BPsVoQ3j2DEpiiyhn6dluWn-eIBkfNjNtPCzD50dvlGpeL1jvo0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 14, 2008, at 6:47 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Well different design doesn't really mean shit when the thing melts > down and the containment building explodes and it can happen Anybody who thinks Nuclear Power is a good idea should surf around on http://www.kiddofspeed.com/ Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Nov 14 17:10:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18544 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 01:10:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 01:10:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.243) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 01:10:41 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d40so684643and.25 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:10:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.64.76.15 with SMTP id y15mr1569983qba.97.1226711441250; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:10:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm2345055qbw.6.2008.11.14.17.10.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:10:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:10:35 -0500 References: <285952.5766.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=IwxzW22wYmDpU1GDCQoyJLNzNU-MdYFrNzs3sEWwcFzD72t_ISk59I2gP-QtnA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 14, 2008, at 7:15 PM, kevin redding wrote: > Thats true but those type reactors are only used in Russia. That is incorrect. The Ignalina nuclear power plant in Lithuania has 2 RBMK-1500 reactors, the "Big Brother" of the RBMK-1000 reactor that failed at Chernobyl. There are plenty of Graphite core design reactors in Western Countries, including the United States. Peach bottom in Pa, and Fort Saint Vrain in CO are the two commercial plants with Graphite Cores. The rest are government owned. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 17:20:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14932 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 01:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 01:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.220) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 01:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 01:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.245] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 01:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 01:20:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 259826.63858.bm@omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 45297 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 01:20:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 01:20:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0wuS9SkVM1njHfvBtrmPUAkkage3nKj5yPrf43KFlVbRDKLf7vPMrm25qI6C62yu.8DxmkAOO2sYQ8zeR0X9.c7vJ6cSPzHzhPxh_mAn0YQfkrKWXrbh7TYz0S_y3kg_65qFWR42MQk0GWZQYWVdzQbSzrX4knOvmXXzvg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <285952.5766.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <698E627C-889E-449D-A351-DD3170722330@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:20:06 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=j2clGqG8fMiX8aPYlTbo-ejOcIiiwWHaxNUBbyaIP85jC845DA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Last I heard they were shut down. Kevin On Nov 14, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > There are plenty of Graphite core design reactors in Western > Countries, including the United States. Peach bottom in Pa, and Fort > Saint Vrain in CO are the two commercial plants with Graphite Cores. > The rest are government owned. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 17:21:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25538 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 01:21:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 01:21:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.48) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 01:21:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 01:21:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.73] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 01:21:21 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 01:21:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 108188.23694.bm@omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 45602 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 01:21:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 01:21:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VdBwXUoVM1lnfHrJVUzu476keNo6XeQGiDXwBOphO2C4OgVlqvmfO71Mauw7nvt2DUa8Ua4WIHFnh.dtom7hguv4DfwIToG8mR9WKzcylRzgIhGkcO4R5DoAwd.fD7GSX5tFfb5tFEHb_iSF7y81.QCt_4.1yJ7syPwsMQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <285952.5766.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:21:18 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=oxyzq2Dr3G8reQNW3OnZC4fYyIhohCeWqpbSrEJrvi-f2E0Olg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Those were built back in the day by the Russians. Those reactors all need to be shut down and decommissioned. On Nov 14, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > That is incorrect. The Ignalina nuclear power plant in Lithuania has 2 > RBMK-1500 reactors, the "Big Brother" of the RBMK-1000 reactor that > failed at Chernobyl. From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Fri Nov 14 17:52:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26260 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 01:52:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 01:52:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 01:52:25 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so1555719ywt.87 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:52:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.205.16 with SMTP id h16mr1611957qbq.62.1226713945315; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:52:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s31sm2415283qbs.8.2008.11.14.17.52.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:52:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <698E627C-889E-449D-A351-DD3170722330@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:52:21 -0500 References: <285952.5766.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <698E627C-889E-449D-A351-DD3170722330@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=S-ag2NHWVF7OnRHFj0Tl_vuIbChpejhwivuSwZH9OStZnOzTJ5LnZFhsz_8pPA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 14, 2008, at 8:20 PM, kevin redding wrote: > Last I heard they were shut down. There are still a few left that are government owned in the US. The UK and other Europeans still have plenty in service. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 19:07:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86697 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 03:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 03:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 03:07:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33852 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 03:07:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZpulwlMVM1lK7i8HCIl.iwhYZdNl15dKwCZXqduQlJSYjHzM5MtNvlw_6kvIQ5w9PbcQl6gPHvGeSEa6M5Kenxg.jA2NC274gSmvJKaCLmcY83lrytylp3u33yWDaPV1jFq4BZWzyd7KWuxzbNvQ5AtCtVQVodlDBSLlDr8yipjAQQ2T7pxGVMXtOhVI X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:07:28 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:07:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <23799C98-C209-40E5-A4F1-F7E4A720A9F5@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <427898.28695.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=lw2qEZuadx6Jafx5coyP8AMm59iIsNeQarn0520gZk-7Mw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 My favorite is an old ('51) Grundig 3060 HUGE table set. Has the big round dual-shadow tuning eye, a knob-rotatable ferrite antenna with a compass dial, and four speakers, one of them an electrostatic tweeter that allows anybody with good hearing to marvel at the 19 kHz. shriek of an FM Stereo station. This baby has a five-band tone control, and each thumb wheel moves a pin behind the dial glass. A bright red rubber cord is stretched across the pins, so it actually draws a frequency response curve. Heck of a radio in it's day...and now! And, the ONLY radio I have ever been able to get XERF on, in the basement, with no external antenna. This thing is an AM DXer's dream! Still can find the tubes pretty easy, except for the tuning eye, which Antique Electronic Supply offered to sell me for about 80 bucks. I have an easy alternative that will look identical, but cost me about 5 bucks. Man, they don't build 'em like that anymore! George --- On Fri, 11/14/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:41 AM > On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:11 AM, > wrote: > > > Sometimes I like to listen to my big 1937 Zenith > console. For AM > > stereo I use an old Panasonic SC555 component system > that I > > modified about a decade ago. Also got a 1946 Zenith > table radio in > > the kitchen, but its fidelity is only fair. > > I have an old Zenith Radio from 1940 or so that has the old > and new > FM Bands and an AM band, It sounds good and I like it a > lot. I have a > couple of real old Zenith Trans-Oceanics a 500G and H500 > that are > really nice sounding. Of course I have a Hallicrafters > SX-99 that has > a 16 kHz setting for AM and HF that is as good as FM on a > strong and > steady station. > > Some of the old stuff is incredibly good. Power hungry but > man, they > sure sound nice. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 19:16:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95580 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 03:16:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 03:16:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 03:16:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7233 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 03:16:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Pdn2OmYVM1mRS0PwlKl_kyEUA1vsV6l.0rPEbPyL8Jkv5inNXsK54uEf75FCLOAfmw5av3G2u66UT8DhyaKox0Bjj_S.1CXMkaOj_8vlcWKpswOQiqwq.SRmIwNWCow0gN6Lgwyy4VHKz3q_Mimqt4qXGmKySg13czYWpxZnZ2Ec0yUsHtfPZnzVxghW X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:16:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:16:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <569E0636-4ED7-4C24-8810-9569DD018FC7@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <971305.7008.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=cLRQqfsP5tHo3HJMrDrcAz73NfzyTr6klbw9nWNuIbG8AA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Hmm, sounds like you just named off most of my CD collection! Actually, there is a lot of overlap, too, such as a lot of Tejano could also be called Cumbia, or Nortena, etc. I'm an ugly old gringo, but I LOVE that stuff, even if I have no idea what the lyrics are saying. I've found good fast Tejano or Cumbia to be great for staying awake on the road, or making a rough commute a bit easier. (Seems disco was good for that back when I still had hair, hah-hah!) --- On Fri, 11/14/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Some words about the AM present and future > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 12:00 PM > On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:40 AM, > wrote: > > Anyone know what the name is of thekind of music > they're playing? > > Some of it sounds mariachi, but a lot of the singers > sound nearly > > operatic. > > > > They play.... > > Ranchera > Nortena > Baladas > Grupera > Mariachi > Cumbias > Tejano > Tropical > Son > Soca > and even rock from America sometimes. > > Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 14 19:20:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6804 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 03:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 03:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 03:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c76.37760e92 (37541) for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:20:21 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB022-5bba491e3ff416; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:20:21 -0500 X-Received: from MBLK-M13 (mblk-m13.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.46]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA031-5bba491e3ff416; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:20:20 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:20:19 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: <427898.28695.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.46) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:20:19 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB14E839127205-7D0-185E@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: AM Loop Antenna for Denon TU-680NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=je5RCbBlVKgERE3tlnTB09oZ-GzMJZI2EcKMbw1l9WntiWYb7eVFG7HlkfX4fav4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A purchased a second hand TU-680NAB some time ago.? It was missing the clip-on AM Loop.? Someplace I heard that even with an external AM antenna, the loop is still necessary for the tuner to work right. Might someone know a source for this part or at least a part number? I now return you to the usual political debate. Thanks, Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 9:07 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? My favorite is an old ('51) Grundig 3060 HUGE table set. Has the big round dual-shadow tuning eye, a knob-rotatable ferrite antenna with a compass dial, and four speakers, one of them an electrostatic tweeter that allows anybody with good hearing to marvel at the 19 kHz. shriek of an FM Stereo station. This baby has a five-band tone control, and each thumb wheel moves a pin behind the dial glass. A bright red rubber cord is stretched across the pins, so it actually draws a frequency response curve. Heck of a radio in it's day...and now! And, the ONLY radio I have ever been able to get XERF on, in the basement, with no external antenna. This thing is an AM DXer's dream! Still can find the tubes pretty easy, except for the tuning eye, which Antique Electronic Supply offered to sell me for about 80 bucks. I have an easy alternative that will look identical, but cost me about 5 bucks. Man, they don't build 'em like that anymore! George --- On Fri, 11/14/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:41 AM > On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:11 AM, > wrote: > > > Sometimes I like to listen to my big 1937 Zenith > console. For AM > > stereo I use an old Panasonic SC555 component system > that I > > modified about a decade ago. Also got a 1946 Zenith > table radio in > > the kitchen, but its fidelity is only fair. > > I have an old Zenith Radio from 1940 or so that has the old > and new > FM Bands and an AM band, It sounds good and I like it a > lot. I have a > couple of real old Zenith Trans-Oceanics a 500G and H500 > that are > really nice sounding. Of course I have a Hallicrafters > SX-99 that has > a 16 kHz setting for AM and HF that is as good as FM on a > strong and > steady station. > > Some of the old stuff is incredibly good. Power hungry but > man, they > sure sound nice. > > Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 14 19:33:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22842 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 03:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 03:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 03:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c4e.465568a5 (37121) for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:33:20 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA017-5c43491e42fc1a5; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:33:20 -0500 X-Received: from MBLK-M13 (mblk-m13.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.46]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA011-5c43491e42fc1a5; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:33:17 -0500 References: <285952.5766.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:33:16 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.46) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:33:16 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB14EA081772EF-7D0-18CE@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Possum Hunter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=g8_5AOP-Xdz4F5tvznT-p22c-v2cZYqDBJHHksnb-CuVwFeJ_s2vzgcSjWgSZ298 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, In my new Arkansas abode, I discovered I have what appears to be a possum who has taken up residence in an outbuilding (not an out-house).? As a former urban dwelling, I thought is was the world's largest rat, and in St. Louis we grow'em big.? Taking the droppings to the local county agent, who makes Hank Kimball look like a Nobel Laureate, I was reliably informed it was an opossum. Aside from the droppings, I am content with letting him or her spend the winter in my shed if there was something to do about the droppings which seem to be everywhere.? I would not consider eating him.? Are there humane, as in non-lethal traps for these creatures?? When the weather gets warmer, I would like to relocate him if his bathroom habits do not improve.? I was thinking of cat litter box. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 19:39:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42162 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 03:39:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 03:39:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.40) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 03:39:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 03:39:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.69] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 03:39:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 03:39:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 80125.63808.bm@omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20780 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 03:39:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 03:39:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Rg5FHt8VM1m1RbO90BWcW2nJUDVLhIMX9lWs18Z2GjVNX7T0UN.nTXycQ3JK4QpzpfMkDZeNyI26g46ds2R8WVyUMK93XOLPMxJ97VwOutlmR4F6pe5wrW5uPcQmzqdQeAkd.rbwCwwUaLYjLOWfQtmFWkyXg3PHvAVVDzclRKr7tj0EX2fwF8FErQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CB14EA081772EF-7D0-18CE@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> References: <285952.5766.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <8CB14EA081772EF-7D0-18CE@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <07A0B9E2-E02D-4BE8-B1DA-4F19452E8E31@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:39:37 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.40 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possum Hunter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=MgyFdX9aLEvck5nl0iVMO7os0ZWoKR1nr24ZYsTFymUCdglbfg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 14, 2008, at 9:33 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Are there humane, as in non-lethal traps for these creatures? Yes, they are called Havahart Traps. http://www.havahart.com/resources/trap-guide/large-animal-traps Be careful. Opossums are known to be carriers of rabies. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 20:39:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82025 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 04:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 04:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 04:39:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98602 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 04:39:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1FrVQB4VM1n8WgGeOUENy2sH55N0mv8FzIeGdSWfU5PoTwwqd2PW.nBlmTlui1FMxyat_.o8wnJLLs095CY6RSwb0tMw0ZWlF6I3iwF91rjqKb1aqsyXj4r8c8_KeblOPcR8_1NlhyzWxSGLhyydxxiUcBKIgUp.H43cMDDzUTVrm4m078RlnIW0mS_s X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:39:00 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:39:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB14E839127205-7D0-185E@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <665570.98191.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Loop Antenna for Denon TU-680NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=-mfpg6eZaXNOd8ZwPxSt9-0s_Qz_lT6xszUEHoOCMaBzjg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, the loop is also the coil in the first tuned stage, an obviously ancient tradition. Any old ferrite would probably work, but you may have to add/subtract wire from it...or just wind a good old open coil. G --- On Fri, 11/14/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: {AMSF} AM Loop Antenna for Denon TU-680NAB > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 10:20 PM > A purchased a second hand TU-680NAB some time ago.? It was > missing the clip-on AM Loop.? Someplace I heard that even > with an external AM antenna, the loop is still necessary for > the tuner to work right. > > Might someone know a source for this part or at least a > part number? > > I now return you to the usual political debate. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 9:07 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? > > > > > > > My favorite is an old ('51) Grundig 3060 HUGE table > set. Has the big round dual-shadow tuning eye, a > knob-rotatable ferrite antenna with a compass dial, and four > speakers, one of them an electrostatic tweeter that allows > anybody with good hearing to marvel at the 19 kHz. shriek of > an FM Stereo station. This baby has a five-band tone > control, and each thumb wheel moves a pin behind the dial > glass. A bright red rubber cord is stretched across the > pins, so it actually draws a frequency response curve. Heck > of a radio in it's day...and now! And, the ONLY radio I > have ever been able to get XERF on, in the basement, with no > external antenna. > This thing is an AM DXer's dream! > Still can find the tubes pretty easy, except for the tuning > eye, which Antique Electronic Supply offered to sell me for > about 80 bucks. I have an easy alternative that will look > identical, but cost me about 5 bucks. > Man, they don't build 'em like that anymore! > George > > --- On Fri, 11/14/08, kevin redding > wrote: > > > From: kevin redding > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:41 AM > > On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:11 AM, > > wrote: > > > > > Sometimes I like to listen to my big 1937 Zenith > > console. For AM > > > stereo I use an old Panasonic SC555 component > system > > that I > > > modified about a decade ago. Also got a 1946 > Zenith > > table radio in > > > the kitchen, but its fidelity is only fair. > > > > I have an old Zenith Radio from 1940 or so that has > the old > > and new > > FM Bands and an AM band, It sounds good and I like it > a > > lot. I have a > > couple of real old Zenith Trans-Oceanics a 500G and > H500 > > that are > > really nice sounding. Of course I have a Hallicrafters > > SX-99 that has > > a 16 kHz setting for AM and HF that is as good as FM > on a > > strong and > > steady station. > > > > Some of the old stuff is incredibly good. Power hungry > but > > man, they > > sure sound nice. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 20:47:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38864 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 04:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 04:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 04:47:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75088 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 04:47:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IFVAa3IVM1mDb8kDAeyU8_A4uXxGilw8q.stgUJ07wjo23RhEJHSO0nK6LpR4dDxkI1wGJxgKGLNckRtZyNDfnMv9AXXaDORt.1BxEaZkh5sIvp2ynA.UR2QTxcGUiOEi9EcyUOf98G2hVU2P5QnCURe4cU1PjckYINHc_14Nd6pgtmLkr.jxaKCuOjX X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:47:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:47:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB14EA081772EF-7D0-18CE@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <411173.72520.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possum Hunter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=wqeAdxFZSQjx54fQospjJpCKsdWiLHuIrrFtJmsXLddfZw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Mike, I admire your compassion! Around here it seems the answer to any un-invited guest is a rifle. As a person who has "adopted" everything from a bobcat to a fox to a bat, I am always happy to see somebody else with a regard for the animal's life...God bless ya! BTW, how do you know if it is a native possum, or the close Irish version, an O'possum? Always wondered about that... George --- On Fri, 11/14/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: {AMSF} Possum Hunter > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 10:33 PM > Kevin, > > In my new Arkansas abode, I discovered I have what appears > to be a possum who has taken up residence in an outbuilding > (not an out-house).? As a former urban dwelling, I thought > is was the world's largest rat, and in St. Louis we > grow'em big.? Taking the droppings to the local county > agent, who makes Hank Kimball look like a Nobel Laureate, I > was reliably informed it was an opossum. > > Aside from the droppings, I am content with letting him or > her spend the winter in my shed if there was something to do > about the droppings which seem to be everywhere.? I would > not consider eating him.? Are there humane, as in non-lethal > traps for these creatures?? When the weather gets warmer, I > would like to relocate him if his bathroom habits do not > improve.? I was thinking of cat litter box. > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 21:42:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86174 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 05:42:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 05:42:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 05:42:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 05:42:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 05:42:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 05:42:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:42:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20081114.160941.12773.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.136 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6GNawYZlzizZC3r--IIQzaC5cWeMPwvLOzkmAS8ElYLsIU6W8w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury"=20 wrote: > > What another rock thrower and name caller? >=20 > The Arab slave trade from East Africa is one of the oldest slave=20 trades, predating the European transatlantic slave trade by hundreds=20 of years. >=20 > The Arab slave trade was the practice of slavery in West Asia,=20 North Africa, East Africa, and certain parts of Europe (such as=20 Sicily and Iberia) during their period of domination by Arab=20 leaders. The trade mostly involved North and East Africans and=20 Middle Eastern peoples (Arabs, Berbers, etc.). Also, the Arab slave=20 trade was not limited to people of certain color, ethnicity, or=20 religion. In the early days of the Islamic state=97during the 8th and=20 9th centuries=97most of the slaves were Slavic Eastern Europeans,=20 people from surrounding Mediterranean areas, Persians, Turks, other=20 neighboring Middle Eastern peoples, peoples from the Caucasus=20 Mountain regions (such as Georgia and Armenia) and parts of Central=20 Asia, Berbers, and various other peoples of varied origins as well=20 as those of Black African origins. Later, toward the 18th and 19th=20 centuries, slaves increasingly came from East Africa. The 'Oriental'=20 or 'Arab' slave trade is sometimes called the 'Islamic' slave trade >=20 > The e-mail you question was just a listing of facts.=20 > No judgments - No name calling - No snide remarks - No=20 condemnations - No reference to Nazis - No misinformation, Just a=20 listing of facts. >=20 > Get over it. >=20 > Don Come on, boys!!! It doesn't matter who was the first slave trade.=20 The only one important thing is WHO(M) WAS(WERE) THE SLAVE(S) BUYER (S)/USER(S)!!! Slavery never had happened if nobody had bought an=20 slave. And, sorry, but I have to remember you that USA was the most=20 important slave purchaser/user of this part of the world. I don't want to see an "slave" in any part of this planet again. Do=20 you? I think/believe the skin color isn't important to God. Whom are we=20 to classified or denigrate someone only because his/her skin color? By the way, if you didn't know, ALL THE INTERNAL PARTS OF ALL THE=20 HUMAN BODIES ARE EQUAL (heart, lungs, stomach, blood, etc.) DESPITE=20 THE EXTERNAL SKIN COLOR. So, please, stop this stupid issue and come back to the radio world. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 21:47:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27454 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 05:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 05:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.145) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 05:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 05:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 05:47:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:47:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <427898.28695.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.136 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Lh8AUWF1o1SXLro12yv2Yk1Yvl5NlZnxUKMa39MGYI6qFCwzXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > My favorite is an old ('51) Grundig 3060 HUGE table set. Has the=20 big round dual-shadow tuning eye, a knob-rotatable ferrite antenna=20 with a compass dial, and four speakers, one of them an electrostatic=20 tweeter that allows anybody with good hearing to marvel at the 19=20 kHz. shriek of an FM Stereo station. This baby has a five-band tone=20 control, and each thumb wheel moves a pin behind the dial glass. A=20 bright red rubber cord is stretched across the pins, so it actually=20 draws a frequency response curve. Heck of a radio in it's day...and=20 now! And, the ONLY radio I have ever been able to get XERF on, in=20 the basement, with no external antenna. > This thing is an AM DXer's dream! > Still can find the tubes pretty easy, except for the tuning eye,=20 which Antique Electronic Supply offered to sell me for about 80=20 bucks. I have an easy alternative that will look identical, but cost=20 me about 5 bucks. > Man, they don't build 'em like that anymore! > George >=20 The classical Grundig 3000 series!!! The best "radio beast" I ever=20 knew. I envy you because you still can get the tubes. In this part=20 of the world, it is impossible. Why nobody makes something like this now? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 14 23:28:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17042 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 07:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 07:28:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 07:28:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37131 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 07:28:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _vGF5gIVM1llll38bz0H74OMiHkmBoooea08WxHloXcriKZ7FspJkhIqu2eDxjXZLmUD9lGC0VNK2N5zqTvy6TOYx_EA4ZxQ3DtvfqszBLyA.E1j7UCJh0MGJ8LwPznL1cFvQN_xKME.BbAFYpQYpwZBOYuhDLyv1liUmUwkOksY63EHMeEmcR7RTrWSauDzMKY.ycO.oULoGMOo6APHQauF1i2M4xyKY4egA.XsPeCGbatW_oq4ldwZ_c5IH3X.GLEPGbm9Gp_wOqTZxI_VRZ12q.JH X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:28:00 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:28:00 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41132.29444.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=QTo6MQvDm0tntJoPPgG7jUQu8MbMQhllGU3lrF77j8hOjs74oCnN X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes but you said you worked on Navy reactors.=A0 Navy reactors on those shi= ps are not commercial.=A0 Navy reactors are also used at far less power tha= n commercial reactors.=A0 You can't compare naval reactors with commercial = ones.=A0 As far as containment buildings, when three mile island went wrong= they had to get that thing shut down.=A0 There was talked about the possib= ility of the containment building roof being blown off and BELIEVE me it wi= ll.=A0 Those things build up a lot of pressure if not controlled.=A0 The pr= oblem with Chernobyl is that they had no containment building to begin with= .=A0 Those russian reactors are a poor design.=A0 Having a containment buil= ding is good but think when you have none at all.=A0=A0 Even with a contain= ment building though its entirely possible for the roof to be blown off in = a melt down.=A0 Read up on how much pressure built up inside Three Mile Isl= and and how they were fearing that was going to happen, it almost did.=A0 T= hat is when you have catastrophe.=A0 If you believe that thing wont blow the top = of the containment building off just let it melt down and you see.=A0 Of co= urse I wouldn't stay behind with you!=A0 You simply cannot compare navy rea= ctors with commercial.=A0 They do not operate those reactors at anywhere ne= ar the level of a commercial one.=A0 I have friends who were in the navy pr= ogram and they'll tell you that too.=A0 Some have went on to do commercial.= =A0 It's a whole different story.=A0 Theres two main types used in commeric= al reactors.=A0 Theres Boiling Water Reactors and Pressurized Water Reactor= s.=A0 There are other designs but those exist more in the experimental reac= tor program.=A0 The majority though are Pressurized Water Reactors built an= d designed by Babcock and Wilcox.=A0 At any rate I'm not trying to be fecet= ious or mean to anyone but this is the simple point.=A0 We need though to g= et back to talking about radio and not radioactive! Ha! =A0 --- On Fri, 11/14/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 7:15 PM > You're right and most do not know of the lax people being used to=20 > build them. I would bet that I am the only person who worked as a quality=20 engineer in building nuclear power plants for the Navy on this list.=20 I can tell you that every item on that power plant is traced to its=20 ore or raw material. I can tell you that every pipe, weld, plate,=20 concrete form and item is x-rayed. I can tell you that every item is=20 pressure tested, thermally tested, operationally tested,=20 electronically tested, visually tested, magnetically tested, eddy=20 current tested, ultrasonically tested, some parts cat scanned, strain=20 and stress tested, tensile and shear tested, charpy tested, gone=20 through statistical process control, serials tracked and acoustic=20 emissions tested and tests that you have never heard of. Yes there were people who were lax working but there were so many=20 eyes watching and so many tests performed and so much documentation=20 for each reactor that was built that there were forests cut down for=20 all the paperwork. There were engineering documents and mathematical=20 computations checked by other engineers and computers. There=20 redundant safety features on top of redundant safety features. If you really look and look hard, the number of hours of operation to=20 failure in nuclear power plants is beyond less than miniscule. Its=20 the safest form of power used in the US today. > Those are the mistakes that show up years later as a major=20 > malfunction labeled an "accident". That would be the case if the plants were not non-destructively=20 tested constantly looking for possible failure modes. You really have=20 no idea of what you are talking about. All you know is what the=20 Republicans know and that is fear. You are fearful of what you don't=20 understand. > If you read deeply into Three Mile Island they released a good bit=20 > of radiation, lots more than they claimed. They largely lied to=20 > the public about that whole accident. That one reactor building to=20 > this day is too radiactive to use or go into for long periods. EVERY reactor building or containment area even when it is shut down=20 is like that. ALL. That is why every person who goes into work in an=20 area like that is monitored and has a dosimeter. There are radiation=20 monitoring devices everywhere. The people who are working in the area=20 test them and when they leave another monitor tests it while they are=20 in there. No one is going to work in there without being monitored=20 and there are areas that you can not be in long. > Look and read the information is out there. Chernobyl, while a=20 > very different design, was a very scary reality. People keep=20 > saying "oh but it was a different design" . Well different design=20 > doesn't really mean shit when the thing > melts down and the containment building explodes and it can happen. Thats true but those type reactors are only used in Russia. I am not=20 talking about those. I am only talking about the ones in use in the=20 United States. > Remember at Three Mile Island they used to talk about the China=20 > Syndrome. Yeah but that never has happened, Not even in Chernobyl and that was=20 the worst of the worst. It is not possible to happen here. At least=20 the likelihood is less than .0000001%. The reactors containment=20 vessels are made in the US to take a direct hit by an airplane and=20 not be damaged. > Like I said it's safe till theres a malfunction. Would you rather breathe and drink radioactive material put in the=20 air from burning coal? Would you rather bankrupt the nation by buying=20 oil from Arabs? > Chances of malfunctions are statistically rising when they keep re-=20 > licensing these 30+ year old reactors too when you think about it. I believe you are wrong because there are no 30+ year old reactors.=20 They are replaced about ever 60 months and the whole plant is=20 overhauled. The external facility may be 30 years old but the plants=20 never get a chance to get that old. > I'm not being mean to anyone on here at all. I'm just saying=20 > things can happen and you point out how quality breaks down. It=20 > really does. If there was no maintenance or checks on things, I could agree with=20 you but not on this. I have been there and done it. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 14 23:41:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75507 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 07:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 07:41:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 07:41:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38790 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 07:41:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BX4GDDAVM1n4PlGY3hAK3OBdsY4Z7s7YJ7g0brLTeTr.iWH3bYv2wYIm0m.o8RUy5MHVACvnBAECjCSrnx5zXR2Ya4ND84jgA7wqiR2JTqKuCVeUG4e8N_gGa_uZbfw_2lkYCnL78uBC7XIcfGAsolGPNBg2HurTHvQtLevxdRDDy3Q- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:41:20 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:41:20 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <510906.37988.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=uhtkk6oMsSjwRqODF0jeZYHOfn82DyhjM1bYyE7Z90Oupe9bmZpP X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Possum, you are right, I first saw that website back on the 20th anniversar= y of Chernobyl.=A0 They talked about it on NPR while I was sitting at the c= omputer.=A0 I went to the site and it is a good site.=A0 Theres another one= too that shows the genetic mutations and malformations of children sufferi= ng from the effects of that thing.=A0 We are talking kids just born within = the last few years.=A0 They say it could be 20,000 years before those genet= ic effects are completely out of those families genes.=A0 Everytime those w= ho survived procreate their offspring have malformities.=A0 That web site i= s out there but I will say this.=A0 If you are weak in the stomach you bett= er not go to it.=A0 I wouldnt recommend going to it after you just ate.=A0 = Its gruesome and grotesque.=A0 If more people would read up and see the rea= l results of an accident they'd think twice about the nuclear option.=A0 Pe= ople don't realize how big the Cherbobyl and Pripyat areas are.=A0 They sai= d "small town" back then, BS!=A0 If people saw how large of an area is uninh= abitable they'd be shocked.=A0 That is land that can't be lived on and farm= ed for possibly thousands of years its so contaminated.=A0 There are some o= ld people who stayed behind but damn you wouldn't find me stayin behind if = I had survived that crap.=A0 Thats nuts.=A0 I read on there somewhere about= how there were blue, purple, and red =A0glowing clouds in the sky above th= at thing.=A0 Thats consistent with what some of the atomic tests did too ba= ck in the 50's.=A0 I have the whole Trinity DVD set and the corresponding d= ocumentaries.=A0 Most people though don't realize how dangerous those thing= s are and it's because they don't know anything about radiation or all the = radioactive isotopes that thing gave off.=A0 It's discusting to think how c= areless those damn russians were and still are with their reactors.=A0 What= is scarier is those RMBK 1000 type russian reactors are still in use over there spread around their country.=A0 I sometimes think these people who d= eal with reactors subconsciously want to play around with cancer almost the= same way as so called "bug chasers" do with Aids.=A0 Nuclear is scary peri= od.=A0=20 --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 7:16 PM On Nov 14, 2008, at 6:47 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Well different design doesn't really mean shit when the thing melts=20 > down and the containment building explodes and it can happen Anybody who thinks Nuclear Power is a good idea should surf around on http:= //www.kiddofsp eed.com/ Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 14 23:42:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23031 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 07:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 07:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 07:42:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2307 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 07:42:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: weRCZ2QVM1kfRihxqtprE1X9z8sG1fooAeiOocvy6xTe5ofPA_yC_dQwi9J5Lvl4yceyE57GSqNb8xGSf8DcvWCIaz2nrxubYOSBfuFtNeZjniw2unH43_fqrNa25QnAY9fdPKTju7ZqIsSS5twq7B7jJpZShVQfX.iwpd0CS1RFzQo- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:42:35 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:42:35 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <251774.1707.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=8FCSf14DxMnpWNR37w6ldT_v1BogCH5gemj-D6Ssdq3FhL8EdNz4 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Those things are accidents waiting to happen.=A0 And yes graphite core, goo= d lord. --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 8:10 PM On Nov 14, 2008, at 7:15 PM, kevin redding wrote: > Thats true but those type reactors are only used in Russia. That is incorrect. The Ignalina nuclear power plant in Lithuania has 2=20 RBMK-1500 reactors, the "Big Brother" of the RBMK-1000 reactor that=20 failed at Chernobyl. There are plenty of Graphite core design reactors in Western=20 Countries, including the United States. Peach bottom in Pa, and Fort=20 Saint Vrain in CO are the two commercial plants with Graphite Cores.=20 The rest are government owned. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Fri Nov 14 23:43:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34212 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 07:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 07:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 07:43:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45747 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 07:43:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fTby_LcVM1mQ7zgx1s7nmfDxejiroz_MXC3Rxg.vCH75fO10sdQqxG1FE5bz6QmTexcx_37HKzprwlCgj1oJnPAHmkSPwlUHZd.79dXRZBrW1wZax2xoW8jhTw40_UxFz9kBBA8vpja4Y6Ydd3MrNI77MhFaZiDJcNO9z2Je.XNdQpY- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:43:20 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:43:20 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <698E627C-889E-449D-A351-DD3170722330@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <267744.44983.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=i2updSdR00ANR13RwgPNKUSQqJmKjmu0VihyZBkcf35WwHu1UNYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had thought all but the ones over in russia and surrounding areas had bee= n shut down.=A0 I didn't think we had any here left in the US.=A0 I could b= e wrong. =A0 --- On Fri, 11/14/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 8:20 PM Last I heard they were shut down. Kevin On Nov 14, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > There are plenty of Graphite core design reactors in Western > Countries, including the United States. Peach bottom in Pa, and Fort > Saint Vrain in CO are the two commercial plants with Graphite Cores. > The rest are government owned. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 06:37:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21953 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 14:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 14:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 14:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 14:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 14:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 14:37:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 392724.9441.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 70238 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 14:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 14:37:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BxsIw6IVM1nZmWPKPhzNxKjAQDsXFh7wmexqWULmZzlnkV.MOge2.KBIpBkDwqzb0qAZGA6gw2hmgB_tzjXthQlSOA6WXWIUnF8nNGKYt8kBTA4z7K4nae6TP4u4ZolQQxSQcN.aA1VpZmI7u_dS1.oxsW1Mtgg4ygDu4g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <41132.29444.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <41132.29444.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <77996D7A-E234-4AAB-A60B-FBDC46709F97@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:37:03 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=JIWRQdmY7xEXjkhrQecSukrLI15JztwOY4LSBxWhxl379JceyA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Navy reactors are also used at far less power than commercial > reactors. You can't compare naval reactors with commercial ones. You're joking?Percentage wise they are run at up to 150% of rated power for tests. What is different is the amount of power. Funny that you didn't comment on all the testing and redundant features and that plants are not 30+ years old and things like that. All you have is fear of something you don't understand. > As far as containment buildings, when three mile island went > wrong they had to get that thing shut down. The real reason TMI happened is the R/O was reading a Playboy and when the alarms went off he kept shutting them off so he could continue with the magazine. Finally another R/O came in and saw what was happening and everything was brought to a halt. That came out in the official report sent to all the Naval ships with reactors. As for the release of radiation from the containment vessel. It was the equivalent of giving everyone in the area a chest x-ray. The release was controlled and monitored. > Having a containment building is good but think when you have none > at all. You are talking about reactors in Russia. This is not Russia. France uses nuclear for 80% of its power. They don't have your hypothetical problems. The United States does not have your hypothetical problems. > Even with a containment building though its entirely possible for > the roof to be blown off in a melt down. Read up on how much > pressure built up inside Three Mile Island and how they were > fearing that was going to happen, it almost did. No it almost didn't. You don't know what you are talking about. > You simply cannot compare navy reactors with commercial. Of course you can. They are the same pressurized water reactors that are used in many plants in the US. And does this mean that if all reactors are run like Navy reactors they are safe and you would be willing to have them make electric power for you? > They do not operate those reactors at anywhere near the level of a > commercial one. Of course they do but they are smaller in size. They even use higher pressures than the commercial ones. > Theres Boiling Water Reactors and Pressurized Water Reactors. There are commercial sodium and salt cooled reactors out there and others as well. > The majority though are Pressurized Water Reactors built and > designed by Babcock and Wilcox. No, the majority of commercial reactors are boiling water reactors. I have to say that you are still ignorant of what you speak about. You are the typical fool that understands little about this. I can say from experience that nuclear power is safe. We are not going to agree because you don't know what you are talking about. So I suppose I am done here with this topic. You can't fight ignorance. And on this topic, you have it. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 06:37:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43382 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 14:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 14:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 14:37:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 14:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.246] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 14:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 14:37:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 891679.85832.bm@omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 70324 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 14:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 14:37:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cX.CNxcVM1kuTydtS.09VOTGFU_wM4_TduzYjQFnoAazItL3ozMiZYAnJVgbV_Jeih3rnViBdqa7_8BtmaWUSkVDdqknjL1B5lzJDpBq0FH2tIN63cVeN8.9QfyxddW8pmBWSTcDq4IaD3t_pX695GC.bnvGNZQkiRJJZw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <510906.37988.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <510906.37988.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:37:27 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=gVLtaWkliE3kdSK8ieC9kajXCe5KHstqr8i4uCqeYcVNorv3hA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 15, 2008, at 1:41 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Nuclear is scary period. Fear. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 06:39:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13686 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 14:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 14:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 14:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 14:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.253] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 14:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 14:39:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 117346.77240.bm@omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 69329 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 14:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 14:39:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4p5EoHgVM1lTHI92mgSNgfF6PqalGRxuSBO45GXyRBoF1ULluUBIkPwMmEajocMzn2JH.f5qaaoodhIKklRfp8g8tSbniFNQNtF2NAQu_tN0qqXmi5L22k0WCvWgyqEp7Lv3SKjDz28yJwYMgpvbrpuKbiOjXy8d9W75nQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <267744.44983.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <267744.44983.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <835F739F-E0C0-4728-96A5-D9351ECF00B8@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:39:26 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Bjzmx_UhYJe1AN_ivc50ZxSmbEG4u7zRjA5zAzMdIPPO82jgwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 15, 2008, at 1:43 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > I didn't think we had any here left in the US. I could be wrong. As I understand it there were some used for weapons production but they were shut down a few years before Chernobyl. The buildings for them may exist but I don't think they exist any longer. One of them was a decommissioned one at INEL. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Nov 15 08:06:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13312 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 16:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 16:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f17.google.com) (209.85.217.17) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 16:06:41 -0000 X-Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so1274442gxk.10 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:06:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.64.7.12 with SMTP id 12mr2109824qbg.36.1226765200269; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:06:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q16sm3801782qbq.0.2008.11.15.08.06.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:06:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:36:35 -0500 References: <285952.5766.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=to-L0Xxv86GBv56ZfZcHXA0IYeum3ssL9cFzjUdE3q2Ru-_3GSbJZITAmYYGEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 14, 2008, at 8:21 PM, kevin redding wrote: > Those were built back in the day by the Russians. Those reactors all > need to be shut down and decommissioned. They should, but since they supply nearly ALL of the electricity used by that Nation, it is very unlikely they will be shut down until they wear out and are replaced with another Nuke. The RBMK reactor uses unrefined or lightly enriched uranium for fuel so it is far cheaper to operate than American reactors. Possum From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 08:08:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20765 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 16:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 16:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 16:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:08:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 5989.22327.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 68256 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 16:08:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 16:08:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kf3bMxAVM1lcb5RRRxeOz7f0hggdq04zT0y4ahJrooLuETNx9hWZWWH9CW.rhRCamoaQx0U6tt9eb00IkkuPmJuzWAi64HHNYyE1yxELOXBosQXLziRetQGSbtg4fLBLS4ExB9Dwu4mjv0CngrH5u1MDLGdFLT9fH4rG9Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <285952.5766.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <35E86682-9C0C-41F9-9DF5-38F8C66200CC@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:08:40 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=qV9xDptS_sxG7DPtNMvMJiu1JAgG1nCsKgzFTX2icCr1QRyCeg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Well, we really can't do much about what they build in Russia. That is unfortunate. On Nov 15, 2008, at 6:36 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > They should, but since they supply nearly ALL of the electricity used > by that Nation, it is very unlikely they will be shut down until they > wear out and are replaced with another Nuke. From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 15 11:01:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93324 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 19:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 19:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 19:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cf1.47404447 (34909) for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:01:36 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA026-5baf491f1c8b112; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:01:35 -0500 X-Received: from webmail-db15 (webmail-db15.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.80]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA016-5baf491f1c8b112; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:01:31 -0500 References: <41132.29444.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <77996D7A-E234-4AAB-A60B-FBDC46709F97@yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:01:31 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: <77996D7A-E234-4AAB-A60B-FBDC46709F97@yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:01:31 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB156BB47C53EA-104C-24DE@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=2IQTHYuAMiLIt178Z4SsM6l9s-IDYXOn-7rMW0THvPociJyaIqm48bLp_be-3_Z1 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is anecdotal, but I personally know a now retired engineer at Westinghouse and have a nephew who served on a nuclear sub.? I also have a far number of classmates who worked in the U.S. commercial nuclear power industry. The difference between the Navy's nuclear power program and the U.S. nuclear power industry is like night and day when it comes to practice and outcome.? Unlike most companies I have worked for, even in the defense industry, I never heard of any laxity at Westinghouse, who has built most of the Navy reactors.? My nephew went through a lengthy, rigorous, and demanding training program.? It's no nonsense from the top down. A number of my classmates worked on the Callaway Nuclear Plant in Missouri during its construction.? I believe Daniels was the general contractor.? There was nothing but problems and coverups.? I seems to recall the authorities digging up thousands of tons of unused rebar.? Wanna guess where that was supposed to go? A colleague of mine who came to work at LTV Aerospace who had did time at Grand Gulf, or as it came to be known,?Grand Goof.? His job was to red-line blueprints.? That is, to change the engineering drawings to match what the contractor actually did. The French has been successful in nuclear power.? However, their program is government designed, government built, and government operated.? It does not have the legacy that plagues the U.S. nuclear power industry. The U.S. government promoted commerical nuclear power as a way of developing an abundant source for plutonium.? Instead of raising the temperature of the Columbia River by five degrees as did the reactors at Hanford Reservation,?all that power could be used to supply electricity.? With the advent of the hydrogen bomb, the need for plutonium was vastly reduced, but many commercial nuclear plants were already in progress.? The promise of having electricity?"too cheap to meter" never materialized. Nuclear power doesn't scare me nearly as much of the U.S. nuclear power industry. Getting back on topic, maybe someone could develop a plutonium powered AM stereo transmitter. Mike? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 15 11:21:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56343 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 19:21:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 19:21:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 19:21:34 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c96.33c3a921 (37162) for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:21:26 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.152]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA041-5bc4491f213178; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:21:25 -0500 X-Received: from webmail-db15 (webmail-db15.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.80]) by smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB013-5bc4491f213178; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:21:21 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:21:21 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: <41132.29444.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:21:21 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB156E7A37F970-104C-256E@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zFYR-7esy8hGURkOYGiKIdAFDXQ3VB-eVRpnJL3Rjj7WNUH5Gnbo6k6P7Q3jd-oh X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have it on reliable firsthand knowledge that the reactor for a Dallas-class sub is only slightly bigger than a home refrigerator, not counting the shielding.? Naval reactors are alot more compact than commercial power reactors.? They are robust.? Remember, that unlike a commercial reactor, there is crew in continuous close proximity to the reactor for extended periods of time.? Like all military hardware, it must be rugged and reliable enough to survive combat.? The crew who operates and maintains the reactor has a great incentive to do their job well. Russian subs tend to run liquid sodium.? Metallic sodium, even at room temperature, explodes on contact with water.? Those things scare me.? The Russian navy has had a poor safety record when it comes to naval nuclear power.? Given the greed of U.S. business, they would probably outsource any new nuclear plants to the Russians to save costs.? Sound ridiculous?? Boeing is outsourcing engineering to the Russians already. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 15 11:31:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76151 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 19:31:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 19:31:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 19:31:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d47.33705383 (37569) for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:31:31 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB046-5c58491f238f2d0; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:31:31 -0500 X-Received: from webmail-db15 (webmail-db15.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.80]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA036-5c58491f238f2d0; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:31:27 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:31:27 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:31:27 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB156FE31FF130-104C-25AC@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=HzMnNPsHsEyInoOLlnqClzNDi4Wtun4N0IR8tqny0WZNDsjs1hkr_i_qDkuBA9ow X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By the way, if you didn't know, ALL THE INTERNAL PARTS OF ALL THE HUMAN BODIES ARE EQUAL (heart, lungs, stomach, blood, etc.) DESPITE THE EXTERNAL SKIN COLOR. Here, here, Juan.? I can personally vouch for that fact from my experience in Vietnam.? Black, white, or yellow, everyone seemed to bleed red.? The only possible exception was the Aussies who tended to bleed Fosters. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 15 11:43:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56855 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 19:43:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 19:43:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 19:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c2d.4aa37439 (37567) for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:42:57 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB044-5c6e491f263b23f; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:42:57 -0500 X-Received: from webmail-db15 (webmail-db15.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.80]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB034-5c6e491f263b23f; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:42:51 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:42:51 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: <411173.72520.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:42:51 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB15717ABA37AC-104C-2602@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possum Hunter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=D3jSUKMekst5ICEtY7HECkGDFR57G5LjaMhS2PlMmxVFbWFNDZ6UAKBRr8lLWMSV X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Possums were in Arkansas long before me, so I figure they have a right to be here.? I have no idea what they eat, but they sure poop alot.? The creature seems happy where it is, so I figure there is no point in disturbing it if I can get the poop problem solved.? I mean it poops everywhere, from the ground to the rafters. According to the landmark documentary on life in Arkansas, The Beverly Hillbillies,? I am given to believe these critters are edible.? However, I can tell you as one who has seen both, aside from size, these things could pass for a Saint Louis sewer rat. I believe all life on Earth serves a purpose, with the possible exception of Sean Hannity.? Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:47 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possum Hunter Mike, I admire your compassion! Around here it seems the answer to any un-invited guest is a rifle. As a person who has "adopted" everything from a bobcat to a fox to a bat, I am always happy to see somebody else with a regard for the animal's life...God bless ya! BTW, how do you know if it is a native possum, or the close Irish version, an O'possum? Always wondered about that... George --- On Fri, 11/14/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: {AMSF} Possum Hunter > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 10:33 PM > Kevin, > > In my new Arkansas abode, I discovered I have what appears > to be a possum who has taken up residence in an outbuilding > (not an out-house).? As a former urban dwelling, I thought > is was the world's largest rat, and in St. Louis we > grow'em big.? Taking the droppings to the local county > agent, who makes Hank Kimball look like a Nobel Laureate, I > was reliably informed it was an opossum. > > Aside from the droppings, I am content with letting him or > her spend the winter in my shed if there was something to do > about the droppings which seem to be everywhere.? I would > not consider eating him.? Are there humane, as in non-lethal > traps for these creatures?? When the weather gets warmer, I > would like to relocate him if his bathroom habits do not > improve.? I was thinking of cat litter box. > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 15 11:45:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96498 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 19:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 19:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 19:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d4e.3f0783e1 (34933) for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:45:33 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA046-5c45491f26d91e6; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:45:33 -0500 X-Received: from webmail-db15 (webmail-db15.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.80]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA013-5c45491f26d91e6; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:45:29 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:45:29 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.194.159.26 In-Reply-To: <665570.98191.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 74.194.159.26 by webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:45:29 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB1571D93365EC-104C-2618@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Loop Antenna for Denon TU-680NAB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=xkh7rWQyCHZRAoMXPMXi88EnyBVIWtnq130QvoEh4v7_krNrFz4xETn_A41nMyzc X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found a source for a limited number of parts for this unit, but I don't have a part number.? Any ideas? Mike -----Original Message----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:39 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Loop Antenna for Denon TU-680NAB Yup, the loop is also the coil in the first tuned stage, an obviously ancient tradition. Any old ferrite would probably work, but you may have to add/subtract wire from it...or just wind a good old open coil. G --- On Fri, 11/14/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: {AMSF} AM Loop Antenna for Denon TU-680NAB > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 10:20 PM > A purchased a second hand TU-680NAB some time ago.? It was > missing the clip-on AM Loop.? Someplace I heard that even > with an external AM antenna, the loop is still necessary for > the tuner to work right. > > Might someone know a source for this part or at least a > part number? > > I now return you to the usual political debate. > > Thanks, > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: george russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 9:07 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? > > > > > > > My favorite is an old ('51) Grundig 3060 HUGE table > set. Has the big round dual-shadow tuning eye, a > knob-rotatable ferrite antenna with a compass dial, and four > speakers, one of them an electrostatic tweeter that allows > anybody with good hearing to marvel at the 19 kHz. shriek of > an FM Stereo station. This baby has a five-band tone > control, and each thumb wheel moves a pin behind the dial > glass. A bright red rubber cord is stretched across the > pins, so it actually draws a frequency response curve. Heck > of a radio in it's day...and now! And, the ONLY radio I > have ever been able to get XERF on, in the basement, with no > external antenna. > This thing is an AM DXer's dream! > Still can find the tubes pretty easy, except for the tuning > eye, which Antique Electronic Supply offered to sell me for > about 80 bucks. I have an easy alternative that will look > identical, but cost me about 5 bucks. > Man, they don't build 'em like that anymore! > George > > --- On Fri, 11/14/08, kevin redding > wrote: > > > From: kevin redding > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} favorite radios? > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:41 AM > > On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:11 AM, > > wrote: > > > > > Sometimes I like to listen to my big 1937 Zenith > > console. For AM > > > stereo I use an old Panasonic SC555 component > system > > that I > > > modified about a decade ago. Also got a 1946 > Zenith > > table radio in > > > the kitchen, but its fidelity is only fair. > > > > I have an old Zenith Radio from 1940 or so that has > the old > > and new > > FM Bands and an AM band, It sounds good and I like it > a > > lot. I have a > > couple of real old Zenith Trans-Oceanics a 500G and > H500 > > that are > > really nice sounding. Of course I have a Hallicrafters > > SX-99 that has > > a 16 kHz setting for AM and HF that is as good as FM > on a > > strong and > > steady station. > > > > Some of the old stuff is incredibly good. Power hungry > but > > man, they > > sure sound nice. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Nov 15 11:54:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15415 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 19:54:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 19:54:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 19:54:55 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so734366ywk.56 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:54:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.240.16 with SMTP id s16mr2259240qbr.59.1226778894903; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:54:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s12sm3632743qbs.9.2008.11.15.11.54.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:54:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <77509FD8-3BC7-4CFF-87B0-C842BE1E1B27@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB14EA081772EF-7D0-18CE@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:54:50 -0500 References: <285952.5766.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <8CB14EA081772EF-7D0-18CE@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possum Hunter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=yXDGdGV_1ROMygcsanKcy2T8sCLDRWL6pRFnn0M3WPaAjTCXW4cEKU6chOSnRA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 14, 2008, at 10:33 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I would not consider eating him.? They do taste good if cooked correctly. > Are there humane, as in non-lethal traps for these creatures?? Yes Hav-A-Hart makes them, Tractor Supply sells them. > When the weather gets warmer, I would like to relocate him if his > bathroom habits do not improve.? I was thinking of cat litter box. You ain't gonna litter train him. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Nov 15 12:08:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10632 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 20:08:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 20:08:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.30) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 20:08:53 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so812085ywe.71 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:08:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.158.19 with SMTP id k19mr2284149qbo.14.1226779732933; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:08:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm3799541qbw.11.2008.11.15.12.08.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:08:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <510906.37988.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:08:48 -0500 References: <510906.37988.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=mLlAMKFCOxQwjBy2QDTaI8wXplDYANuQEAGdA7rBbnkBsuDS7rFd99IAgSKVuA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 15, 2008, at 2:41 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > I read on there somewhere about how there were blue, purple, and > red glowing clouds in the sky above that thing. There was also the "Red Forest" So named because the pine trees were so radioactive, they glowed Red in the dark before they were cut down! Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Nov 15 12:10:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42755 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 20:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 20:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.158) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 20:10:17 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so853908ywr.54 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:10:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.64.142.8 with SMTP id p8mr2250169qbd.99.1226779816573; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:10:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm3784562qbw.11.2008.11.15.12.10.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:10:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5CD3DD4C-CE23-487D-B059-28EAE7FC7796@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <267744.44983.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:10:13 -0500 References: <267744.44983.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=W1X8VUgALu9dz7N-HWOGDCCky7Qc36zpnTKXwBzr5SOpHvNTQGF1TACVckVrbw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 15, 2008, at 2:43 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > I had thought all but the ones over in russia and surrounding areas > had been shut down. I didn't think we had any here left in the US. > I could be wrong. I wish! You do know we have 2 in "Mothball" storage near us at Savanna River Site. Kevin in Upstate, SC From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 12:13:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44141 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 20:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 20:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.92) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 20:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.110.140] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp210.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:13:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 286443.47479.bm@omp210.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 95596 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 20:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp108.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 20:13:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fxumP4sVM1l_GjGKyomVcvTHQTlJwzV0mtNzWUgrnSSuZC__siQ1lM5PPyHZhqPpyDJVtui6ARHH9PijB9L5I98VaN_VaajPvBQGEpJdlTBEoWLRoAbFf2QHDa0VumCDyAmDLvAQ43UfECZDwmTaE2cBgmUZm13_wWuRiUlFS3iesdOATG7f776Z.w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CB156BB47C53EA-104C-24DE@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> References: <41132.29444.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <77996D7A-E234-4AAB-A60B-FBDC46709F97@yahoo.com> <8CB156BB47C53EA-104C-24DE@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:13:40 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=pNqw2aGP9OP5wSVl7lDFvFZvHk8wMibxGxbJjGWEumjbjj7kgg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I never heard of any laxity at Westinghouse, who has built most of > the Navy reactors.? General Electric made most of them but the ones on the newest submarines are made by Westinghouse. > It does not have the legacy that plagues the U.S. nuclear power > industry. So are you saying that if the government controls the building of the plants and closely watching the operation, it is safe? > The U.S. government promoted commerical nuclear power as a way of > developing an abundant source for plutonium.? Instead of raising > the temperature of the Columbia River by five degrees as did the > reactors at Hanford Reservation,?all that power could be used to > supply electricity.? It could have been used for power other than to run machinery used to make plutonium. Hanford was never built for power. It was built from 1942 on to make weapons. > With the advent of the hydrogen bomb, the need for plutonium was > vastly reduced, but many commercial nuclear plants were already in > progress.? Plutonium was made for atomic weaponry. Hydrogen bombs can be made with many different core materials other than plutonium. India has them and uses neither plutonium or uranium but tellurium, a highly radioactive element released into air and water by burning coal. That and a radioactive gas that is an isotope of hydrogen is used to make the bombs. As for coal, it's so filthy and radioactive that I would fight building one of those big time. > The promise of having electricity?"too cheap to meter" never > materialized. The closest thing that is too cheap to meter is hydroelectric power. If wind was blowing 24/7 it might be almost as cheap. Solar is very expensive with focused light boiler solar but incredibly expensive if photoelectric is used. Nuclear is between solar and hydro. It ain't cheap and it ain't the most expensive. > Nuclear power doesn't scare me nearly as much of the U.S. nuclear > power industry. The only part of a nuclear power plant that is scary is the people inside. Most of them are very good and very bright, as with everything, there are some people who are duds. > Getting back on topic, maybe someone could develop a plutonium > powered AM stereo transmitter. Don't know of any of those except the ones that get power from the nuke plants. I do know that a good part of the electricity used by 810 KGO in San Francisco is from their own solar plant. Thats kinda cool. http://earth2tech.com/2008/10/30/nancy-pelosi-to-flip-switch-on- solfocus-solar-project/ I'd like to see more radio stations do this kind of stuff. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 12:15:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22867 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 20:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 20:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 20:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.75.191] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp107.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:15:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 237692.37667.bm@omp107.mail.re1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 29849 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 20:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp105.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 20:15:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JcSu36IVM1kyFvwJh.5rOXDtVNJVefpyMIjfhg5FPwmyoF.vSSV5QJsSUHLztTEtUmedilksMapFFDY96tI_xTnp6S2u194H3Vte.mbhYM206l7LMQmipmrLfC252xGszrZeCsVWVGpbFVhhTu7qPvbPX.6IKO6ySvdqCQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CB156E7A37F970-104C-256E@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB156E7A37F970-104C-256E@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <526DD4D6-C67C-46B9-B937-ADC878548299@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:15:10 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=99z5OI0seUt_pLmXrRguthMvYT5EYX2dlv9lj5qMcHNusEIx7w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I have it on reliable firsthand knowledge that the reactor for a > Dallas-class sub is only slightly bigger than a home refrigerator, > not counting the shielding. They are about the size of a 55 gallon drum. They are incredibly heavy weight wise. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 12:16:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61809 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 20:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 20:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.110) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 20:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n3.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.75.181] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp102.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:16:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 1884.5552.bm@omp102.mail.re1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 33575 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 20:16:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 20:16:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 34PBPigVM1lIWphAxXe78JtJQetPAC.BtSxeWH3UdOj2cpDCiDOxzhcRMg7uV7uo0.dCO9YTsE9tZ6uZ7xsHxNjZWzeullMj3dm19tvLbt2RfamjqANsdCoOD5TcvPG2vKeI0VbKdjHxPIoWs5TKYiu..09Kaa3ssk_k2aoEVdcHKix7xfo2qVi7RQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CB156FE31FF130-104C-25AC@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB156FE31FF130-104C-25AC@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:16:13 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=XatZNlky8TpSKPsOpvgoj5nhppAPTDrOMUSMqz5vhEihb6QTRA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 15, 2008, at 1:31 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The only possible exception was the Aussies who tended to bleed > Fosters. Thats the first beer I ever saw that comes in a oil can like container. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Nov 15 12:16:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 160 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 20:16:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 20:16:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.182) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 20:16:34 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b25so112657elf.1 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:16:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.64.114.1 with SMTP id m1mr2272132qbc.52.1226780193928; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7sm3623851qba.3.2008.11.15.12.16.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:16:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB15717ABA37AC-104C-2602@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:16:32 -0500 References: <8CB15717ABA37AC-104C-2602@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possum Hunter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=c8XuwYGnDYeDwqqttnvJXfo7KDIJCMbnuPtSBuF0aWxSJCdXMcm8-PGrqi9_zg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On Nov 15, 2008, at 2:42 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I believe all life on Earth serves a purpose, with the possible > exception of Sean Hannity.? Agreed! Possum From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 12:17:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50351 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 20:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 20:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.108) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 20:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n1.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.75.191] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp107.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:17:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 23655.37667.bm@omp107.mail.re1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 93832 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 20:17:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp103.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 20:17:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: R3wIsPcVM1k713QuNiantzcpg89Nbe4whiJa8fXKwVWXad0jLPJm30aAFEJkpleXSTjqlVoVp1sMlU_e8s32aPFJKfICgWPpbEUhKGkG9x2CBd3bX7OuUiipYcKLR2qVV4CtJMSs2gVAvyMqIzct134JQECu8e4CRkAJlJ_Mckgo.XeYyY8VYz9rRA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <8CB15717ABA37AC-104C-2602@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB15717ABA37AC-104C-2602@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9D68BE8A-5AAC-4A09-8453-41ACEC12B2BD@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:17:51 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Possum Hunter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=g8f2a9BQCNGjOUlKi3z3DoUj4M-CN9F1Juh0txVEckeQKiCO1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 15, 2008, at 1:42 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I am given to believe these critters are edible.? They are VERY greasy and I don't like the way they taste. If you are lost and in the woods, I guess they would be protein. > I believe all life on Earth serves a purpose, with the possible > exception of Sean Hannity.? You gave me the laugh of the day. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 12:29:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31604 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 20:29:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 20:29:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.58) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 20:29:53 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:29:53 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:29:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 20:29:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 284299.4870.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 8044 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 20:29:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 20:29:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: g0dRojcVM1kCv8HwFQDpkogJ1B.5DQqF1KP.N8AKJM0d08hHOQH7ESQZgtsnzWDGDHH66KSzpMgp.j1wktkEb8eH62sq0j6n1EYIFqnDyM21EMx8qN_FUxO5m65TaWrAeyx2S9ZXRDpmhE_vTYaYkIJ_SW1J6JR.iYhgIw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <5CD3DD4C-CE23-487D-B059-28EAE7FC7796@gmail.com> References: <267744.44983.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <5CD3DD4C-CE23-487D-B059-28EAE7FC7796@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:29:51 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=E9o-ZtvVtLLNLowUCWbIzbZxR3ngOkVINlcrCSQderUo-rY0jw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I wish! You do know we have 2 in "Mothball" storage near us at Savanna > River Site. Back in the day when we were desperate to make bombs for WWII and later to keep the communists away from the doorstep, the government did a lot of bad stuff environmentally, and it was partly because they didn't know what radioactive sources would do to things. I can say that if you are on US278 and headed towards Aiken going past the SRP that swamp is deader than hell. I can say back in those days, SRP and Rocky Flats in Colorado were messed up until they figured out what the hell they were doing in the late 1940s and early 1950s. A lot of stupid things were tried back then, Kevin From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Nov 15 13:29:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3171 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 21:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 21:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 21:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 21:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 21:29:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:29:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.2.237.240 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: AM Jobs in Jeopardy Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=I-lpEYgxq8HZfQPJylhpgCnQBG2BaBXbsaIKHS4QLuCdf48 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Does "Clean Coal" really exist ? What is the potential for Oil=20 Shale ? There are huge reserves of this in North America. Juan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > > > I never heard of any laxity at Westinghouse, who has built most=20 of=20=20 > > the Navy reactors.? >=20 > General Electric made most of them but the ones on the newest=20=20 > submarines are made by Westinghouse. >=20 > > It does not have the legacy that plagues the U.S. nuclear power=20=20 > > industry. >=20 > So are you saying that if the government controls the building of=20 the=20=20 > plants and closely watching the operation, it is safe? >=20 > > The U.S. government promoted commerical nuclear power as a way=20 of=20=20 > > developing an abundant source for plutonium.? Instead of raising=20=20 > > the temperature of the Columbia River by five degrees as did the=20=20 > > reactors at Hanford Reservation,?all that power could be used to=20=20 > > supply electricity.? >=20 > It could have been used for power other than to run machinery used=20 to=20=20 > make plutonium. Hanford was never built for power. It was built=20 from=20=20 > 1942 on to make weapons. >=20 > > With the advent of the hydrogen bomb, the need for plutonium was=20=20 > > vastly reduced, but many commercial nuclear plants were already=20 in=20=20 > > progress.? >=20 > Plutonium was made for atomic weaponry. Hydrogen bombs can be made=20=20 > with many different core materials other than plutonium. India has=20=20 > them and uses neither plutonium or uranium but tellurium, a highly=20=20 > radioactive element released into air and water by burning coal.=20 That=20=20 > and a radioactive gas that is an isotope of hydrogen is used to=20 make=20=20 > the bombs. As for coal, it's so filthy and radioactive that I=20 would=20=20 > fight building one of those big time. >=20 > > The promise of having electricity?"too cheap to meter" never=20=20 > > materialized. >=20 > The closest thing that is too cheap to meter is hydroelectric=20 power.=20=20 > If wind was blowing 24/7 it might be almost as cheap. Solar is=20 very=20=20 > expensive with focused light boiler solar but incredibly expensive=20 if=20=20 > photoelectric is used. Nuclear is between solar and hydro. It=20 ain't=20=20 > cheap and it ain't the most expensive. >=20 > > Nuclear power doesn't scare me nearly as much of the U.S.=20 nuclear=20=20 > > power industry. >=20 > The only part of a nuclear power plant that is scary is the people=20=20 > inside. Most of them are very good and very bright, as with=20=20 > everything, there are some people who are duds. >=20 > > Getting back on topic, maybe someone could develop a plutonium=20=20 > > powered AM stereo transmitter. >=20 > Don't know of any of those except the ones that get power from the=20=20 > nuke plants. I do know that a good part of the electricity used by=20=20 > 810 KGO in San Francisco is from their own solar plant. Thats=20 kinda=20=20 > cool. >=20 > http://earth2tech.com/2008/10/30/nancy-pelosi-to-flip-switch-on-=20 > solfocus-solar-project/ >=20 > I'd like to see more radio stations do this kind of stuff. >=20 > Kevin > From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 15:24:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78765 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 23:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2008 23:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.223) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 23:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 23:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 23:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 23:24:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 80965.37270.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 82370 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2008 23:24:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2008 23:24:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DcfEOcoVM1nP5HnmEBmmpt3VQw6omEoQU0jK3YShBQpizNm1kSpViKFpg4J45r5PMBVxMW4XZIrdftdTTaIIfFXA_ueXZLgFtM20EmZ.o2lHwo.F9GY9WLrvV1zZlzvHpLQsHSAtoBOzQGUofWWA2JVBIvFRadoigXaz1Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <686F68F8-B768-4D55-BD3A-1B6897FD98B9@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:24:42 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Jobs in Jeopardy Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=8s6F_Cdh525IDIFmgWoHJKU_mlRofPnVW9SjWrAELdYEcnm9Iw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 15, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > Does "Clean Coal" really exist ? What is the potential for Oil > Shale ? There are huge reserves of this in North America. Clean Coal does not exist. I do not know how it can exist. It is not just terrible for greenhouse gases, there is a tremendous amount of ash and coal is radioactive. The gas out the stack is radioactive. The ash is radioactive. We burn this and it goes in the air and falls into our water. Oil shale is possible but takes a lot of heat energy to make the shale release the oils. Its harder to get the oil from shale than the oil sands in Canada. This makes the oil from oil shale very expensive. Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 15 20:30:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44737 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 04:30:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 04:30:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 04:30:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28983 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2008 04:30:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jW_I5kcVM1nQcFCO.eC3MJK0t0mXn6.RMBk0gFtxA64lZmELSJlsBn9LXVraSUSxjmIs1QuRjrg7ZjiC8_QRYz1va2gQDJIbygYG4jDu0izKM97upR1wvfbPavcXMe9OmioxyFNAOBFw7LOsUBuXAs5vCCUE.WZNUleSUZufOzdWGSI- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:30:35 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:30:35 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <77996D7A-E234-4AAB-A60B-FBDC46709F97@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <65531.28589.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=4nRM8_h5XIlMRZwOPW5n8RPxhogxHekaTlYpFx_KqgOIzDvY4nUr X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No I do know what im talking about.=A0 I've visited the NRC site many times= and it lists the type of reactors.=A0 Go check it out.=A0 Playboy, well fr= om that I can tell you made that one up because if that were so in the 30 y= ears after that damn accident it would have come out by now.=A0 Thats simpl= y a fabrication of your wild imagination.=A0 I also stand by my comments ab= out you cannot compare the two , navy and commercial.=A0 I also stand by th= e fact they arent run a the same levels that commercial ones are run at.=A0= That was told to me by several in the field.=A0 I stand by what I said per= iod.=A0 I thought you might have had some half sense but that whole playboy= fabrication, thats just nonsense and you know it. =A0 --- On Sat, 11/15/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 9:37 AM > Navy reactors are also used at far less power than commercial=20 > reactors. You can't compare naval reactors with commercial ones. You're joking?Percentage wise they are run at up to 150% of rated=20 power for tests. What is different is the amount of power. Funny that you didn't comment on all the testing and redundant=20 features and that plants are not 30+ years old and things like that.=20 All you have is fear of something you don't understand. > As far as containment buildings, when three mile island went=20 > wrong they had to get that thing shut down. The real reason TMI happened is the R/O was reading a Playboy and=20 when the alarms went off he kept shutting them off so he could=20 continue with the magazine. Finally another R/O came in and saw what=20 was happening and everything was brought to a halt. That came out in=20 the official report sent to all the Naval ships with reactors. As for=20 the release of radiation from the containment vessel. It was the=20 equivalent of giving everyone in the area a chest x-ray. The release=20 was controlled and monitored. > Having a containment building is good but think when you have none=20 > at all. You are talking about reactors in Russia. This is not Russia. France=20 uses nuclear for 80% of its power. They don't have your hypothetical=20 problems. The United States does not have your hypothetical problems. > Even with a containment building though its entirely possible for=20 > the roof to be blown off in a melt down. Read up on how much=20 > pressure built up inside Three Mile Island and how they were=20 > fearing that was going to happen, it almost did. No it almost didn't. You don't know what you are talking about. > You simply cannot compare navy reactors with commercial. Of course you can. They are the same pressurized water reactors that=20 are used in many plants in the US. And does this mean that if all reactors are run like Navy reactors=20 they are safe and you would be willing to have them make electric=20 power for you? > They do not operate those reactors at anywhere near the level of a=20 > commercial one. Of course they do but they are smaller in size. They even use higher=20 pressures than the commercial ones. > Theres Boiling Water Reactors and Pressurized Water Reactors. There are commercial sodium and salt cooled reactors out there and=20 others as well. > The majority though are Pressurized Water Reactors built and=20 > designed by Babcock and Wilcox. No, the majority of commercial reactors are boiling water reactors. I have to say that you are still ignorant of what you speak about.=20 You are the typical fool that understands little about this. I can=20 say from experience that nuclear power is safe. We are not going to agree because you don't know what you are talking=20 about. So I suppose I am done here with this topic. You can't fight ignorance. And on this topic, you have it. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 15 20:31:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27195 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 04:31:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 04:31:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 04:31:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29297 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2008 04:31:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FeeuIlgVM1lpY78CrOQRoMGdFCJ_TMF4qlA8PLwArnTkaMrtCF6KvVI7.IdPd3pvsAgqegzuQ6U_4xWbiA6f7RpnTPGZdiTs4XlGbban4nDStjJy9EDJ1kevTVQ3OFrYXeQG28xGUNHlfwqCCFTALFfAnvlgzwyQ1dlgAqGYw9jVtO0- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:31:39 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:31:39 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <832724.28748.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=IhCGrnr9N-GNQnC4GKYFVZbE0RZB2sM_FGacRJdk1DFLUZwVaGif X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep and I dont want that shit in my backyard.=A0 I know your type.=A0 You a= re the type that are like "oh I want nuclear as long as it isnt in my backy= ard.....just please put it over there in a poor persons backyard".=A0 I kno= w your type. =A0 --- On Sat, 11/15/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 9:37 AM On Nov 15, 2008, at 1:41 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Nuclear is scary period. Fear. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 15 20:35:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31876 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 04:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 04:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 04:35:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12062 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2008 04:35:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GlSmC7QVM1nNcOEPPcRiggFZqDujtTjHsEOJA07MIuigMbJKiZun3Z13uJPOqS5LPt7QUoKT6N4F4sl56zYpNjWD1m0h9uQajtn.UPdicqKUWDW5bD5g5imyk8W3mdpKlAZD3NbEjf1ENFX6FzT8BAAklh0ClnEWLvp1.oyhBaEXzJg- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:35:45 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:35:45 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB156BB47C53EA-104C-24DE@webmail-db15.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <133678.10342.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=TWMYxY6ryRyWJl3kjgfLSNbqrkccyB9GvgUxBcLqeJIFOWWI8q14 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for pointing out that there are differences between navy and commerc= ial.=A0 It is simply true.=A0 Yeah my uncle told me of all sorts of stories= like that where corners were cut.=A0 The guy on here that doesn't believe = us is in denial and its evident he isn't that well read.=A0 If he were he w= ouldn't need to fabricate some story about a guy masturbating to a playboy = being the cause of Three Mile Island.=A0 Does he not realize that there are= and have always been cameras that monitor those control rooms?=A0=A0 I'm s= till over here laughing about that wild fabricated story.=A0 It reminds me = of the imaginations of some of todays 15 year olds. =A0 --- On Sat, 11/15/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 2:01 PM This is anecdotal, but I personally know a now retired engineer at Westingh= ouse and have a nephew who served on a nuclear sub.? I also have a far numb= er of classmates who worked in the U.S. commercial nuclear power industry. The difference between the Navy's nuclear power program and the U.S. nuclea= r power industry is like night and day when it comes to practice and outcom= e.? Unlike most companies I have worked for, even in the defense industry, = I never heard of any laxity at Westinghouse, who has built most of the Navy= reactors.? My nephew went through a lengthy, rigorous, and demanding train= ing program.? It's no nonsense from the top down. A number of my classmates worked on the Callaway Nuclear Plant in Missouri = during its construction. ? I believe Daniels was the general contractor.? T= here was nothing but problems and coverups.? I seems to recall the authorit= ies digging up thousands of tons of unused rebar.? Wanna guess where that w= as supposed to go? A colleague of mine who came to work at LTV Aerospace who had did time at G= rand Gulf, or as it came to be known,?Grand Goof.? His job was to red-line = blueprints.? That is, to change the engineering drawings to match what the = contractor actually did. The French has been successful in nuclear power.? However, their program is= government designed, government built, and government operated.? It does n= ot have the legacy that plagues the U.S. nuclear power industry. The U.S. government promoted commerical nuclear power as a way of developin= g an abundant source for plutonium.? Instead of raising the temperature of = the Columbia River by five degrees as did the reactors at Hanford Reservati= on, ?all that power could be used to supply electricity. ? With the advent = of the hydrogen bomb, the need for plutonium was vastly reduced, but many c= ommercial nuclear plants were already in progress.? The promise of having e= lectricity? "too cheap to meter" never materialized. Nuclear power doesn't scare me nearly as much of the U.S. nuclear power ind= ustry. Getting back on topic, maybe someone could develop a plutonium powered AM s= tereo transmitter. Mike? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 15 20:39:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42390 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 04:39:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 04:39:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 04:39:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13908 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2008 04:39:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rxXC4jkVM1l7iuXrxKC7nJI_ABvkLN4bovy6XRBhFuOAgHhLTiN18KyZpZI9q7TS3kMApvdHBzpWlq5KrzP1PObXJZfWq51txF4X7QqKZJlCIP9k5mUua2VhKbuMjgteAGOvpZR9jL8Qe9uVxC.7RpkMxUH6AXWIZ1Fx6HuyWe12FBc- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:39:12 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:39:12 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <648628.13352.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=BM-5J-KVoMUAzUD7N8N-3KMUHqrv4vZ54vMSy1hbWHpWlGdsMJcI X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes I read that as well. =A0 =A0 --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 3:08 PM On Nov 15, 2008, at 2:41 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > I read on there somewhere about how there were blue, purple, and=20 > red glowing clouds in the sky above that thing. There was also the "Red Forest" So named because the pine trees were=20 so radioactive, they glowed Red in the dark before they were cut down! Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 15 20:42:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58618 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 04:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 04:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 04:42:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35920 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2008 04:42:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .arGzwMVM1k8HQy9D01utu0shGVfTYeojy4gFdAtvthDb_ZEGQs3.XOtpe.n04nqhlbYnJ.NzttN1wBaBHacvOkM1hTafO_kOrWGc41It9vJOltFmP1v4qWOj9NPpslsPaQgXoz5ZtmIFKqocLcEPOFsBHKx8IL7lcNgz7MuhGgJHH8- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:42:14 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:42:14 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <263552.35550.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=gaAlpAgqd1kVINSETtinz-Rz5ntia2bmHN8YwetxsfNNd7bVJdfK X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes and solar can work.=A0 There was a show about it on the history channel= recently where this guys house made enough electricity from solar that he = had plenty to run all his electrical stuff but it made so much that the ele= ctric company was paying him for electricity.=A0 It wasnt those 70's ugly p= anels either.=A0 It was fully integrated into the roof and looked quite nic= e.=A0 These people who don't believe in solar at all haven't looked at it i= n years.=A0 They are stuck in the 70's.=A0 What if every house were built l= ike that mans house featured in the show?=A0=20 =A0 --- On Sat, 11/15/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 3:13 PM > I never heard of any laxity at Westinghouse, who has built most of=20 > the Navy reactors.? General Electric made most of them but the ones on the newest=20 submarines are made by Westinghouse. > It does not have the legacy that plagues the U.S. nuclear power=20 > industry. So are you saying that if the government controls the building of the=20 plants and closely watching the operation, it is safe? > The U.S. government promoted commerical nuclear power as a way of=20 > developing an abundant source for plutonium.? Instead of raising=20 > the temperature of the Columbia River by five degrees as did the=20 > reactors at Hanford Reservation, ?all that power could be used to=20 > supply electricity. ? It could have been used for power other than to run machinery used to=20 make plutonium. Hanford was never built for power. It was built from=20 1942 on to make weapons. > With the advent of the hydrogen bomb, the need for plutonium was=20 > vastly reduced, but many commercial nuclear plants were already in=20 > progress.? Plutonium was made for atomic weaponry. Hydrogen bombs can be made=20 with many different core materials other than plutonium. India has=20 them and uses neither plutonium or uranium but tellurium, a highly=20 radioactive element released into air and water by burning coal. That=20 and a radioactive gas that is an isotope of hydrogen is used to make=20 the bombs. As for coal, it's so filthy and radioactive that I would=20 fight building one of those big time. > The promise of having electricity? "too cheap to meter" never=20 > materialized. The closest thing that is too cheap to meter is hydroelectric power.=20 If wind was blowing 24/7 it might be almost as cheap. Solar is very=20 expensive with focused light boiler solar but incredibly expensive if=20 photoelectric is used. Nuclear is between solar and hydro. It ain't=20 cheap and it ain't the most expensive. > Nuclear power doesn't scare me nearly as much of the U.S. nuclear=20 > power industry. The only part of a nuclear power plant that is scary is the people=20 inside. Most of them are very good and very bright, as with=20 everything, there are some people who are duds. > Getting back on topic, maybe someone could develop a plutonium=20 > powered AM stereo transmitter. Don't know of any of those except the ones that get power from the=20 nuke plants. I do know that a good part of the electricity used by=20 810 KGO in San Francisco is from their own solar plant. Thats kinda=20 cool. http://earth2tech. com/2008/ 10/30/nancy- pelosi-to- flip-switch- on-=20 solfocus-solar- project/ I'd like to see more radio stations do this kind of stuff. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 15 20:44:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30442 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 04:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 04:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 04:44:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32110 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2008 04:44:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: B2inMe8VM1lXNqJib_bDHj2A6rptrCKS3EBp6w6fU35tOXsfrM4NNxo1RRxUdgh3YkspOxOm7rtBriZPqqKCOlT5mTWdugD86ZDYdi.wUVGVIQXnmtHead82CXICLwF.ba4.5m7FmvOmfyPGq9b62ExTY6kdNH5SfuLcWYhkoywcJPE- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:44:24 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:44:24 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <585879.21677.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=26Ny2Ihl50RAI6IDbfiJlrQBxragFUVrddjUXV7ME8xB4z8ShGBI X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "that swamp is deader than hell."=A0 and no telling what is contaminated ar= ound that area and our state in general! =A0 --- On Sat, 11/15/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 3:29 PM > I wish! You do know we have 2 in "Mothball" storage near us at Savanna > River Site. Back in the day when we were desperate to make bombs for WWII and=20 later to keep the communists away from the doorstep, the government=20 did a lot of bad stuff environmentally, and it was partly because=20 they didn't know what radioactive sources would do to things. I can say that if you are on US278 and headed towards Aiken going=20 past the SRP that swamp is deader than hell. I can say back in those=20 days, SRP and Rocky Flats in Colorado were messed up until they=20 figured out what the hell they were doing in the late 1940s and early=20 1950s. A lot of stupid things were tried back then, Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 15 20:45:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59615 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 04:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 04:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 04:45:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32814 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2008 04:45:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6AEp0RwVM1m.pG8lflOEcWeua6R2Q88H06MS3GNlLlyPbfn53FzeYwOdu14ob5jbfWPEUtLvCSYW11nKLbPDqoJAc9ajMfPzBRndhmEJiS6qqx2J3JpaIYEdjkS6LjRHj9vXo9MMzGaRlaM48TkIejB2M5hvHBtDaLND6N0V6wcLG4A- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:45:49 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:45:49 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <686F68F8-B768-4D55-BD3A-1B6897FD98B9@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <490122.32046.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Jobs in Jeopardy Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=U9nheZ6fkG6vqa7nbsEYwd__eH6w2uebfX7fOpkM77rhM4A_0FSb X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And Scotch tape emits X-Rays when its pulled off the roll.=A0 Craziest thin= g I've heard but it was in the news a few weeks ago. =A0 =A0 --- On Sat, 11/15/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Jobs in Jeopardy Now OT: Electricity for America= 's Future To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 6:24 PM On Nov 15, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > Does "Clean Coal" really exist ? What is the potential for Oil > Shale ? There are huge reserves of this in North America. Clean Coal does not exist. I do not know how it can exist. It is not=20 just terrible for greenhouse gases, there is a tremendous amount of=20 ash and coal is radioactive. The gas out the stack is radioactive.=20 The ash is radioactive. We burn this and it goes in the air and falls=20 into our water. Oil shale is possible but takes a lot of heat energy to make the=20 shale release the oils. Its harder to get the oil from shale than the=20 oil sands in Canada. This makes the oil from oil shale very expensive. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 07:37:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63123 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 15:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 15:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.223) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 15:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.242] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:37:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 54077.11066.bm@omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 55989 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 15:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 15:37:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: S8Bm_KIVM1lZ0aCV5Gbh6vaQN8g6IOrgZX20j3T57af1K4r28ttpwmRjNRGDUiGt3LBs0uJwv0385lVMYuGqRaMqu8tYgvz6jIsLFaIQf.w2rsAxOa8zWPJHrr0NJFsifO.enaPg19R1dFDoDzSIohKO6Z5ghPhZoTXyFw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <832724.28748.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <832724.28748.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <40D75AA2-5244-4084-B42E-FFD96A80A477@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:37:14 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=tpUDLPAAgzSZOIpNpC60peD2bYx8iIPOhhms5Y7BThp-ME4DqA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:31 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Yep and I dont want that shit in my backyard. I know your type. > You are the type that are like "oh I want nuclear as long as it > isnt in my backyard.....just please put it over there in a poor > persons backyard". I know your type. Kevin, Apparently you have not read my messages. Many times I have stated in my messages that I would be glad to have them build a nuclear power plant in my hometown, Adamsville, TN. My town is so small that it would literally be in my backyard. For real. I have not lived here my whole life but back in 1980 I was living here and we voted to have TVA to build a nuke plant just across the border in Yellow Creek, MS. Its in the next county over. We all voted for it. We wanted it. We wanted the money so we could give our children a better life and the plant would bring in the money so they could go to the University and come back here to live and have good jobs. We aren't afraid of nuclear power here. Sorry, not a NIMBY when it comes to that. We know that it would bring good paying jobs and lots of electric power that will not pollute like coal and gas and oil. My father in law built the containment vessel for it. He poured a lot of concrete to make the plant safe. Nuclear power doesn't scare too many Tennesseeans here in the west part of the state and in the east part of the state at Oak Ridge. We aren't NIMBYS for nuclear plants, but coal, we are the WORST NIMBYs you ever could meet. You my man are not just wrong, you are ignorant and fearful. Kevin Adamsville, TN From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 07:40:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97295 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 15:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 15:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n69.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.41) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 15:40:47 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n69.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:40:47 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:40:47 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.242] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:40:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:40:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 829412.11057.bm@omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 94307 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 15:40:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 15:40:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OCkdcpwVM1nz2At2WJZP20PReyzVpp7tOSPZUYZFSsSvVan4yrf1tJGuS.ea.JK8ZkvFKEelfVuT.SeoBQSeluBperWq5kndRT5ArGvti1LYvjxjxqhn.ZJ.A1IquvZStwhtbzRK.4PQxcOWGCdTSl5Vc3lou8N_gl17zA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <65531.28589.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <65531.28589.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:40:46 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=QBv5ZJZHcjq4ImUkv-TA6eQW4ewhUrCIohmakvgsqwWZA-agTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:30 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Playboy, well from that I can tell you made that one up because > if that were so in the 30 years after that damn accident it would > have come out by now. Thats simply a fabrication of your wild > imagination. .. Oh no. That one is real. We got the reports about that one. That part is real. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 07:41:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83949 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 15:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 15:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.125) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 15:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.253] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:41:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 193253.35694.bm@omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 83482 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 15:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 15:41:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: H9DR9BAVM1lK_Zk1O_uOhPLEY0YrrKk6vDXNTQMzDqKufGhnipoTZc1fnj_UJbzqOkZfAiGTlyjdz_eae_qHCg_jgGAh3ku.xzZY1LoRicA7avHtdQZWjX15wmRCFYnJ7pgNxSsz7zQo2hrsYdCKSwo_bwlNoglX.g_bIA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <133678.10342.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <133678.10342.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D7222C6-A8D5-4C7F-8B9A-D438F32341E2@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:41:47 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=XzaSxYvMGCoNQC1UlPi4_JhPD7Rsob0PIfpbCpuHZK9hhYgE0w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:35 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > If he were he wouldn't need to fabricate some story about a guy > masturbating to a playboy being the cause of Three Mile Island. No, I said nothing about masturbating. I said he was reading one. I believe there is a difference. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 07:43:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85021 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 15:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 15:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 15:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.65] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:43:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 228805.64615.bm@omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 62145 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 15:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 15:43:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AQShATkVM1l69mzoP4wpMwcYBixPTmst0G5Z9tipBKZVf6TaxIcIDuqb0w_45kI7mCrA0fLmy44ZxFrVap4cP0COxCzdC2M8nHuPvr_vh6VVMzmoIRys5cAwnFRlmXZrWlf5L2X0MVtNeoU2mGkZDumYgh0kQIZJfo0aOA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <263552.35550.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <263552.35550.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5210C9E9-CB9C-4348-B0C2-70FC9860C644@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:43:57 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=4GwFPEjFv6FR0mMk8XgEudMlnOFuaocdwQxgBj_PPsH2ycoKKA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:42 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > What if every house were built like that mans house featured in the > show? We would be screaming about open pit lead mining then. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 07:44:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83886 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 15:44:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 15:44:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 15:44:50 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:44:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:44:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:44:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 84856.62303.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 62318 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 15:44:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 15:44:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: u1tSke8VM1n3bwu8x9CHYylxtRMESz2h0mxRJ8FeNPIHVOFpz8oLuISVafbCpph7bYE5TPbiT_gxCZjf2SgVeyhmdbs83HLujQ4k2mp2BcqbQJ5TBJd4xeJm_mNRFeNnCybdpnA1rToKNFaJKIvI.dCnV5RKLmOYwgf_uA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <585879.21677.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <585879.21677.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8344676A-BDA5-4895-8F1C-C74B0FF18AC6@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:44:49 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=cCERY_C7vm1BWs9Jy_3Q03IjaE5q8w1ZsBXS8QPs7GKX3HW3nw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:44 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > "that swamp is deader than hell." and no telling what is > contaminated around that area and our state in general! The government in its ignorance back in the late 1940s did a lot of really stupid things. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 07:45:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36080 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 15:45:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 15:45:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 15:45:20 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:45:12 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.69] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:45:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 15:45:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 589369.81536.bm@omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 62618 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 15:45:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 15:45:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5GM4Fc0VM1kikGY1frLFy.WlotSzYYd6puVDgml26nEpAl7N1MHylpnCV4db5OsfO_gzOCpt3vrC0zzON.WgCXIn_l3.gxlytNg5dCES08qWSy4GQZmaO71WEVHjezo3_mbpdh09WiNS_KCTXMbgrzf2TmRN5E.yHKobug-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490122.32046.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <490122.32046.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1B9807F2-52DD-406D-9DC2-A2D0F59EE8CE@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:45:19 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Jobs in Jeopardy Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=NiLUghAM7fIoTm17UOk34_OgVbyZK_-emIwtVL5MabtuBNOa1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:45 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > And Scotch tape emits X-Rays when its pulled off the roll. > Craziest thing I've heard but it was in the news a few weeks ago. Don't know about that one. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 08:24:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9311 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 16:24:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 16:24:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.236) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 16:24:46 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 16:24:46 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 16:24:46 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2008 16:24:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 575062.96946.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 45404 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 16:24:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 16:24:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: atWHgSYVM1kpG6xNdd_TDMA7JRx_mVv6F0jw5o2SjwFuIFdb.5_buXRd5YxDEUWMZ9TvGVMRH.ptV39tgi9PwLBrTWs9AizQvNDWAMPknDQCUAdezcFgkU1kfHBVe3SQbbbux5Qfl6hZc_YPoELxqQ7bFLuBalCauj_RnA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <133678.10342.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <133678.10342.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <200485A0-6CE2-4CFE-831E-AFB7761F8721@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:24:45 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=nMVN1EM3dBei0iZvhHDX5__tvSKlnG1zpb_NAj694f2_mj0yEg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > If he were he wouldn't need to fabricate some story about a guy > masturbating to a playboy being the cause of Three Mile Island. The dude was reading a Playboy when the first alarms went off. He shut them off because they made no sense. Went to read the Playboy again and then about 200 alarms went off in the next two minutes. A supervisor turned on the standby coolant pumps just in case everything with the 200 alarms was correct. This move was the one that prevented a meltdown. The starting of the standby pumps was not per procedure and that guy needed a medal or something for doing that. This was in the post mortem report sent to all the Naval Reactor operators. And again, no one was masturbating to a Playboy. You just have to get ignorant and say something stupid and over the top. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 11:25:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65616 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 19:25:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 19:25:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 19:25:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 93804 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2008 19:25:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: prgPnq4VM1nLXMsosC.L0ljDmLZ5Iq0rT.t7EzUYTtOXgCCDW2Uf4YsKgIpvatSLGOaNB_Yd6Fb3VqXlVWEIO_So3QhbcAD_a7rtHHFKrrabXxIPJjp5J9V1kUT8Y4lqo9LIExVDJIGZ8LdFjNaZ2q90FuwfC7MsbGfhbAEeRcZ0YMsW.xyarHDj.Q-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.182] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:25:36 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:25:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <263552.35550.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <779919.93775.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=w8O459vm_0OG80-xOnlichBnJ-1Q6zc3J9Pz24ajH1Y X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW But not everyone has $40,000 or so to do it right. Solar is coming along, but some major breakthroughs are still 5 years or so from production. Most people aren't smart enough to do it themselves. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 11/15/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 11:42 PM > Yes and solar can work. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 11:27:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69448 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 19:27:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 19:27:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 19:27:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1715 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2008 19:27:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ycY5bCYVM1nmVGC7ykd9qq4Ev_agOhCJzFp8L42LZwo083xyVKGJ5FwoK2881LNg1ZScUyYomfnDmrLrBSIXdkuLu6wHT.uVua3k.2y63xTIxQG7H5SumTq4GJ.8NgCvbpeGMGV1GNLQ8xNsdjBCky1JE0sMf_dSvng7AwpLAvy0JLUbzGtSxc4Nfg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.182] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:27:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:27:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <40D75AA2-5244-4084-B42E-FFD96A80A477@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <167319.1484.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ZHrMuP_GK5HDgGT0ZAWAkwcG6CG1KvR-iXEb-eWQddQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW And a liberal..... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/16/08, kevin redding wrote: > You my man are not just wrong, you are ignorant and > fearful. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 16 11:32:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43503 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2008 19:32:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2008 19:32:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2008 19:32:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73547 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2008 19:32:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nnopoUQVM1nD8RpRgykEGzniWMRWgpCYXKhDCnuW490b6ZQTScYGI4TAbfwpBCCVbqNtNZ2o1ntcoV5oS6ItnIxxRzoE1q48rphcYF.xsZtwRFvboUUovDPFX9CWp0kBlfFx2wMzA.KY3RNDPSZ6tfjp7F8Pjixs4BrZKagmtxS0TYxYW71oUu9Y9wDmGhtkYviuAMzLsdFhIS6ba3bAnNhV1ZPTCzBGhgqVbBIa X-Received: from [209.213.19.182] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:32:39 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:32:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5210C9E9-CB9C-4348-B0C2-70FC9860C644@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <803206.72540.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=34EpQfJ-C2Zlno3adfDGg0vu-Mapx0vmzSaggrANC4U X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The CORRECT batteries used in solar have a life expectancy of 30 years. 20 year warranty and a warranty claim during this time of well under 1%. They can be recycled. By the time their life expectancy is over, a new charge holding technology will be in place. There's some technology that when in production in a few years will make Lithium Ion rechargables have 10 times or more capacity than they have now. How about 30 AMP AA batteries...... 300 amp D cells. Get my drift? Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/16/08, kevin redding wrote: > > > What if every house were built like that mans house > featured in the > > show? > > We would be screaming about open pit lead mining then. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 05:11:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57416 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 13:11:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2008 13:11:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.108) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2008 13:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n9.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2008 13:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.245] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2008 13:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2008 13:11:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 573045.34260.bm@omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 93142 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 13:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2008 13:11:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VqxrifQVM1nkB_nOfVH7kK0KLLDk0Ur.7Amlz6HXLTLMujcctji_tApjR9lwls5dKD_e85vyy24mdHtDnNohEC7kl988sDDZE2KsYsd25gr_K7v4noHdDg.Rls.zfsg9QUb3cxCC12VTVCRnOj0tnWWCimQ3PB49YiWKYt66nHUXivZP44Xm9yk63g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:11:34 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: How American Right Wing Radio Works X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=uzS7a_Jmqa5tyPLWdFsBrfuMUupSpna4O5PLv7f5AifhvExWwg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Former News Radio Staffer Spills the Beans on How Shock Jocks Inspire=20=20 Hatred and Anger By Dan Shelly, Milwaukee Magazine. Posted November 17, 2008. Behind the scenes of one of the largest and most successful news/talk=20=20 radio stations in America. Editor's Note: Thanks to the blogger Digby for highlighting this=20=20 essay, of which she writes, "This is a very interesting article=20=20 written by a former right wing talk show producer revealing the=20=20 secrets of the trade. I think the thing I find most interesting about=20=20 it is that this fellow is obviously a fairly level headed guy but it=20=20 took until the obnoxious talk radio coverage of Katrina for him to=20=20 realize that their entire schtick was a fraud. I first got into journalism because I thought I could make a difference. I wrote for the school newspaper and did =93news=94 reports on a radio=20=20 station a friend and I started at my high school in Springfield, Mo.=20=20 I got my first professional job at age 20, while still in college, at=20=20 a local radio station=92s news department. Three years later, I became=20=20 a news director, and 12 years after that, in 1995, I was recruited to=20=20 move to Milwaukee to become news director at WTMJ, one of the largest=20=20 and most successful news/talk radio stations in America. That was where my real education occurred. I worked for three years as news director, and then, in 1998, gained=20=20 the additional title of assistant program director, a role I held=20=20 until leaving the station in July 2006. From that position, I worked=20=20 closely with our talk show hosts and became intimately familiar with=20=20 how they appeal to listeners and shape their vision of the world. Let=20=20 me tell you some of the lessons I learned. To begin with, talk show hosts such as Charlie Sykes =96 one of the=20=20 best in the business =96 are popular and powerful because they appeal=20=20 to a segment of the population that feels disenfranchised and even=20=20 victimized by the media. These people believe the media are=20=20 predominantly staffed by and consistently reflect the views of social=20=20 liberals. This view is by now so long-held and deep-rooted, it has=20=20 evolved into part of virtually every conservative=92s DNA. To succeed, a talk show host must perpetuate the notion that his or=20=20 her listeners are victims, and the host is the vehicle by which they=20=20 can become empowered. The host frames virtually every issue in us-=20 versus-them terms. There has to be a bad guy against whom the host=20=20 will emphatically defend those loyal listeners. This enemy can be a politician =96 either a Democratic officeholder or, = =20 in rare cases where no Democrat is convenient to blame, it can be a=20=20 =93RINO=94 (a =93Republican In Name Only,=94 who is deemed not conservative= =20=20 enough). It can be the cold, cruel government bureaucracy. More often=20=20 than not, however, the enemy is the =93mainstream media=94 =96 local or = =20 national, print or broadcast. Sometimes, it can even be their own station=92s news director. One=20=20 year, Charlie targeted me because I had instructed my midday news=20=20 anchor to report the Wimbledon tennis results, even though the=20=20 matches wouldn=92t be telecast until much later in the day. Charlie=20=20 gave out my phone number and e-mail address on the air. I was flooded=20=20 with hate mail, nasty messages, and even one death threat from a=20=20 federal law enforcement agent whom I knew to be a big Charlie fan. In the talk radio business, this concept, which must be mastered to=20=20 be successful, is called =93differentiating=94 yourself from the rest of = =20 the media. It is a brilliant marketing tactic that has also helped=20=20 Fox News Channel thrive. =93We report, you decide=94 and =93Fair and=20=20 Balanced=94 are more than just savvy slogans. They are code words=20=20 signaling that only Fox will report the news in a way conservatives=20=20 see as objective and truthful. Forget any notion, however, that radio talk shows are supposed to be=20=20 fair, evenhanded discussions featuring a diversity of opinions. The=20=20 Fairness Doctrine, which required this, was repealed 20 years ago. So=20=20 talk shows can be, and are, all about the host=92s opinions, analyses=20=20 and general worldview. Programmers learned long ago that benign=20=20 conversations led by hosts who present all sides of an issue don=92t=20=20 attract large audiences. That=92s why Kathleen Dunn was forced out at=20=20 WTMJ in the early =9290s and why Jim and Andee were replaced in the=20=20 mid-=9290s by Dr. Laura. Pointed and provocative are what win. There is no way to win a disagreement with Charlie Sykes. Calls from=20=20 listeners who disagree with him don=92t get on the air if the show=92s=20=20 producer, who generally does the screening, fears they might make=20=20 Charlie look bad. I witnessed several occasions when Sen. Russ=20=20 Feingold, former Mayor John Norquist, Mayor Tom Barrett or others=20=20 would call in, but wouldn=92t be allowed on the air. Opponents are far more likely to get through when the producer is=20=20 confident Charlie can use the dissenting caller to reinforce his=20=20 original point. Ask former Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Publisher Keith=20=20 Spore, or former Police Chief Arthur Jones. How can Charlie do that?=20=20 By belittling the caller=92s point of view. You can always tell,=20=20 however, when the antagonist has gotten the better of Charlie. That=92s = =20 when he starts attacking the caller personally. But the worst fate comes for those who ignore Charlie when he asks on=20=20 the air why they did or didn=92t do something, and they never respond.=20=20 That leaves him free to make his point unabated, day after day. The=20=20 most frequent victims of this were Journal Sentinel Editor Marty=20=20 Kaiser and Managing Editor George Stanley. Charlie knew they would rarely call or e-mail to answer his=20=20 criticism, so he could both criticize decisions they had made and=20=20 blast them for not having the guts to come on his show and respond.=20=20 What little credibility they had among Charlie=92s audience would=20=20 decline by a thousand cuts. It would have been far better for them to=20=20 face Charlie head on and take their lumps so he would move on to the=20=20 next victim =96 I mean, topic. One entire group that rarely gets on the air are the elderly callers=20=20 =96 unless they have something extraordinary to say. Sadly, that=20=20 doesn=92t happen often. The theory is that old-sounding callers help=20=20 produce old-skewing audiences. The target demo is 25 to 54, not 65=20=20 and older. Talk radio, after all, is in the entertainment business. But that=20=20 doesn=92t mean it has no impact on public policy. Quite the contrary. The stereotyped liberal view of the talk radio audience is that it=92s=20=20 a lot of angry, uneducated white men. In fact, the audience is far=20=20 more diverse. Many are businesspeople, doctors, lawyers, academics,=20=20 clergy, or soccer moms and dads. Talk show fans are not stupid. They=20=20 will detect an obvious phony. The best hosts sincerely believe=20=20 everything they say. Their passion is real. Their arguments have been=20=20 carefully crafted in a manner they know will be meaningful to the=20=20 audience, and that validates the views these folks were already=20=20 thinking. Yet while talk show audiences aren=92t being led like lemmings to a=20=20 certain conclusion, they can be carefully prodded into agreement with=20=20 the Republican views of the day. Conservative talk show hosts would receive daily talking points e-=20 mails from the Bush White House, the Republican National Committee=20=20 and, during election years, GOP campaign operations. They=92re not=20=20 called talking points, but that=92s what they are. I know, because I=20=20 received them, too. During my time at WTMJ, Charlie would generally=20=20 mine the e-mails, then couch the daily message in his own words.=20=20 Midday talker Jeff Wagner would be more likely to rely on them=20=20 verbatim. But neither used them in their entirety, or every single day. Charlie and Jeff would also check what other conservative talk show=20=20 hosts around the country were saying. Rush Limbaugh=92s Web site was=20=20 checked at least once daily. Atlanta-based nationally syndicated=20=20 talker Neal Boortz was another popular choice. Select conservative=20=20 blogs were also perused. A smart talk show host will, from time to time, disagree publicly=20=20 with a Republican president, the Republican Party, or some=20=20 conservative doctrine. (President Bush=92s disastrous choice of Harriet = =20 Miers for the Supreme Court was one such example.) But these=20=20 disagreements are strategically chosen to prove the host is an=20=20 independent thinker, without appreciably harming the president or=20=20 party. This is not to suggest that hosts don=92t genuinely disagree=20=20 with the conservative line at times. They do, more often than you=20=20 might think. But they usually keep it to themselves. One of the things that makes a talk show host good =96 especially hosts = =20 of the caliber of Sykes =96 is that his or her arguments seem so solid. = =20 You fundamentally disagree with the host, yet can=92t refute the=20=20 argument because it sounds so airtight. The host has built a strong=20=20 case with lots of supporting facts. Generally speaking, though, those facts have been selectively chosen=20=20 because they support the host=92s preconceived opinion, or can be=20=20 interpreted to seem as if they do. In their frustration, some talk=20=20 show critics accuse hosts of fabricating facts. Wrong. Hosts do=20=20 gather evidence, but in a way that modifies the old Joe Friday maxim:=20=20 =93Just the facts that I can use to make my case, ma=92am.=94 Hint: The more talk show hosts squawk about something =96 the louder=20=20 their voice, the greater their emotion, the more effusive their=20=20 arguments =96 the more they=92re worried about the issue. For example,=20=20 talk show hosts eagerly participated in the 2004 Swift Boating of=20=20 John Kerry because they really feared he was going to win. This is a=20=20 common talk show tactic: If you lack compelling arguments in favor of=20=20 your candidate or point of view, attack the other side. These attacks=20=20 often rely on two key rhetorical devices, which I call You Know What=20=20 Would Happen If and The Preemptive Strike. Using the first strategy, a host will describe something a liberal=20=20 has said or done that conservatives disagree with, but for which the=20=20 liberal has not been widely criticized, and then say, =93You know what=20=20 would happen if a conservative had said (or done) that? He (or she)=20=20 would have been filleted by the =91liberal media.=92 =94 This is=20=20 particularly effective because it=92s a two-fer, simultaneously=20=20 reinforcing the notion that conservatives are victims and that=20=20 =93liberals=94 are the enemy. The second strategy, The Preemptive Strike, is used when a host knows=20=20 that news reflecting poorly on conservative dogma is about to break=20=20 or become more widespread. When news of the alleged massacre at=20=20 Haditha first trickled out in the summer of 2006, not even Iraq War=20=20 chest-thumper Charlie Sykes would defend the U.S. Marines accused of=20=20 killing innocent civilians in the Iraqi village. So he spent lots of=20=20 air time criticizing how the =93mainstream media=94 was sure to=20=20 sensationalize the story in the coming weeks. Charlie would kill the=20=20 messengers before any message had even been delivered. Good talk show hosts can get their listeners so lathered up that they=20=20 truly can change public policy. They can inspire like-minded folks to=20=20 flood the phone lines and e-mail inboxes of aldermen, county=20=20 supervisors, legislators and federal lawmakers. They can inspire=20=20 their followers to vote for candidates the hosts prefer. How? By=20=20 pounding away on an issue or candidate, hour after hour, day after=20=20 day. Hosts will extol the virtues of the favored candidate or, more=20=20 likely, exploit whatever Achilles heel the other candidate might=20=20 have. Influencing elections is more likely to occur at the local=20=20 rather than national level, but that still gives talk radio power. By the way, here=92s a way to prognosticate elections just by listening = =20 to talk shows: Except in presidential elections, when they will=20=20 always carry water for the Republican nominee, conservative hosts=20=20 won=92t hurt their credibility by backing candidates they think can=92t = =20 win. So if they=92re uncharacteristically tepid, or even silent, about=20=20 a particular race, that means the Democrat has a good chance of=20=20 winning. Nor will hosts spend their credibility on an issue where=20=20 they know they disagree with listeners. Charlie, for example, told me=20=20 just before I left TMJ that Wisconsin=92s 2006 anti-gay marriage=20=20 amendment was misguided. But he knew his followers would likely vote=20=20 for it in droves. So he declined to speak out directly against it. This brings us to perhaps the most ironic thing about most talk show=20=20 hosts. Though they may savage politicians and others they oppose,=20=20 they fear criticism or critiques of any kind. They can dish it out,=20=20 but they can=92t take it. One day during a very bad snowstorm, I walked into the studio during=20=20 a commercial break and suggested to Charlie that he start talking=20=20 about it rather than whatever conservative topic he=92d been=20=20 discussing. Charlie assumed, as he usually did in such situations,=20=20 that I was being critical of his topic. In reaction, he unplugged his=20=20 head phones, stood up and told me that I might as well take over the=20=20 show because he wasn=92t going to change his topic. I was able to=20=20 quickly strike a bargain before the end of the break. He agreed to=20=20 take a few calls about the storm, but if it didn=92t a strike a nerve=20=20 with callers, he could return to his original topic. The snowstorm was the topic of the rest of his show that day. And=20=20 afterward, Charlie came to my office and admitted I=92d been right. But = =20 we would go through scenarios such as this many times through the years. Another tense moment arose when the Harley-Davidson 100th anniversary=20=20 was captivating the community =96 and our on-air coverage =96 in 2003,=20=20 but Charlie wanted to talk about school choice for seemingly the=20=20 100,000th time. He literally threw a fit, off the air and on,=20=20 belittling other hosts, the news department and station management=20=20 for devoting resources to Harley=92s 100th coverage. =93The Green House=94 = =20 newsman Phil Cianciola countered that afternoon with a joke about=20=20 Charlie riding a Harley wearing loafers. Charlie complained to=20=20 management about Phil and wouldn=92t speak civilly about him in my=20=20 presence again. Hosts are most dangerous when someone they=92ve targeted for criticism=20=20 tries to return the fire. It is foolish to enter into a dispute with=20=20 someone who has a 50,000-watt radio transmitter at his or her=20=20 disposal and feels cornered. Oh, and calling a host names =96 =93right-=20 winger,=94 =93fascist,=94 =93radio squawker,=94 etc. =96 merely plays into = his or=20=20 her hands. This allows a host like Sykes to portray himself as a=20=20 victim of the =93left-wing spin machine,=94 and will leave his listeners, = =20 who also feel victimized, dying to support him. In essence, the host=20=20 will mount a Hillary Rodham Clinton =93vast right-wing conspiracy=94=20=20 attack in reverse. A conservative emulating Hillary? Yep. A great talk show host is like=20=20 a great college debater, capable of arguing either side of any issue=20=20 in a logical, thorough and convincing manner. This skill ensures=20=20 their continuing success regardless of which political party is in=20=20 power. For example: =95 In the talk show world, the line-item veto was the most effective=20=20 way to control government spending when Ronald Reagan was president;=20=20 it was a violation of the separation of powers after President=20=20 Clinton took office. =95 Perjury was a heinous crime when Clinton was accused of lying under = =20 oath about his extramarital activities. But when Scooter Libby, Vice=20=20 President Dick Cheney=92s top aide, was charged with lying under oath,=20=20 it was the prosecutor who had committed an egregious act by charging=20=20 Libby with perjury. =95 "Activist judges" are the scourge of the earth when they rule it is = =20 unconstitutional to deny same-sex couples the rights heterosexuals=20=20 receive. But judicial activism is needed to stop the husband of a=20=20 woman in a persistent vegetative state =96 say Terri Schiavo =96 from=20=20 removing her feeding tube to end her suffering. To amuse myself while listening to a talk show, I would ask myself=20=20 what the host would say if the situation were reversed. What if=20=20 alleged D.C. Madam client Sen. David Vitter had been a Democrat?=20=20 Would the reaction of talk show hosts have been so quiet you could=20=20 hear crickets chirping? Hardly. Or what if former Rep. Mark Foley had been a Democrat? Would his=20=20 pedophile-like tendencies have been excused as a =93prank=94 or mere=20=20 =93overfriendly e-mails?=94 Not on the life of your teenage son. Suppose Al Gore was president and ordered an invasion of Iraq without=20=20 an exit strategy. Suppose this had led to the deaths of more than=20=20 4,000 U.S. troops and actually made that part of the world less=20=20 stable. Would talk show hosts have dismissed criticism of that war as=20=20 unpatriotic? No chance. Or imagine that John Kerry had been president during Hurricane=20=20 Katrina and that his administration=92s rescue and rebuilding effort=20=20 had been horribly botched. Would talk show hosts have branded him a=20=20 great president? Of course not. It was Katrina, finally, that made me truly see the light. Until=20=20 then, 10 years into my time at TMJ, while I might have disagreed with=20=20 some stands the hosts took, I did think there were grounds for their=20=20 constant criticism of the media. I had convinced myself that the=20=20 national media had an intrinsic bias that was, at the very least,=20=20 geographical if not ideological, to which talk radio could provide an=20=20 alternative. Then along came the worst natural disaster in U.S. history.=20=20 Journalists risked their lives to save others as the storm hit the=20=20 Gulf Coast. Afterward, journalists endured the stench and the filth=20=20 to chronicle the events for a stunned world. Then they documented the=20=20 monumental government incompetence for an outraged nation. These=20=20 journalists became voices for the voiceless victims, pressing=20=20 government officials to get help to those who needed it. Yet, while New Orleans residents were still screaming for help from=20=20 the rooftops of their flooded homes, journalists were targeted by=20=20 talk show hosts, Charlie and Wagner among them. Not the government,=20=20 but journalists. Stories detailing the federal government=92s obvious=20=20 slowness and inefficiency were part of an =93angry left=94 conspiracy,=20=20 they said. Talk show hosts who used e-mailed talking points from the=20=20 conservative spin machine proclaimed the Katrina stories were part of=20=20 a liberal =93media template.=94 The irony would have been laughable if=20=20 the story wasn=92t so serious. I went to Charlie and Jeff and told them my concerns. They waved me=20=20 off. I went to Program Director Rick Belcher and told him I thought=20=20 Charlie and Jeff had things terribly wrong. He disagreed. I was=20=20 distraught. I felt I was actively participating in something so=20=20 inconsistent with reality that even most conservative talk radio=20=20 devotees would see this. But in a way, it was merely a more obvious=20=20 example of how talk radio portrayed reality selectively. I was a dedicated program manager. I helped the hosts at my station=20=20 do show prep by finding stories I knew would pique their interest and=20=20 fire up their constituencies. I met with Charlie Sykes daily, about a=20=20 half-hour before show time, to help him talk through topics before=20=20 going on the air. Charlie is one of the smartest people I know, but=20=20 he performs at his best with that kind of preparation. I often defended Jeff Wagner from upset moderates and liberals in the=20=20 community. Jeff=92s a very good talk show host whose brilliance is=20=20 overshadowed only by his stubbornness. I helped our program directors try to find the right role for Mark=20=20 Reardon, who, in my opinion, was always miscast (he wasn=92t as right-=20 wing as Sykes or Wagner and his job was switched several times).=20=20 Ultimately, that miscasting helped his career, because WTMJ laid him=20=20 off, after which he became a talk show star in St. Louis, a much=20=20 larger market. I worked with news and sports hosts, too =96 Robb Edwards, Jon Belmont, = =20 Ken Herrera, Jonathan Green, Len Kasper, Bill Michaels =96 to help them = =20 craft ways to sound human and =93real=94 behind the microphone without=20=20 violating the separation of church and state that existed between the=20=20 station=92s talk and news programming. Sometimes I succeeded. Sometimes = =20 I didn=92t. And we were successful, consistently ranking No. 1 among persons 12=20=20 and older and in the top five in the advertiser-coveted 25 to 54=20=20 demo. Yet I was often angrily asked, once by then-Mayor John=20=20 Norquist, why we just didn=92t change our call letters to =93WGOP.=94 The = =20 complaints were just another sign of our impact. I left WTMJ with some regret, attracted by an offer to work in the=20=20 cutting edge field of digital media at one of the nation=92s largest=20=20 news and entertainment conglomerates. By then, I had worked more than=20=20 26 years in radio news and more than 23 as a news director. In the=20=20 constant push for ratings, I had seen and helped foster the=20=20 transformation of AM radio and the rise of conservative hosts. They=20=20 have a power that is unlikely to decline. Their rise was also helped by liberals whose ideology, after all,=20=20 emphasizes tolerance. Their friendly toleration of talk radio merely=20=20 gave the hosts more credibility. Yet an attitude of intolerance was=20=20 probably worse: It made the liberals look hypocritical, giving=20=20 ammunition to talk show hosts who used it with great skill. But the key reason talk radio succeeds is because its hosts can=20=20 exploit the fears and perceived victimization of a large swath of=20=20 conservative-leaning listeners. And they feel victimized because many=20=20 liberals and moderates have ignored or trivialized their concerns and=20=20 have stereotyped these Americans as uncaring curmudgeons. Because of that, there will always be listeners who believe that=20=20 Charlie Sykes, Jeff Wagner and their compatriots are the only members=20=20 of the media who truly care about them. AlterNet is making this material available in accordance with Title=20=20 17 U.S.C. Section 107: This article is distributed without profit to=20=20 those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included=20=20 information for research and educational purposes. Dan Shelley now works as a digital media executive in New York City. http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/107326/=20 former_news_radio_staffer_spills_the_beans_on_how_shock_jocks_inspire_ha=20 tred_and_anger/?page=3Dentire [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Nov 17 08:15:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10356 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 16:15:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2008 16:15:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2008 16:15:46 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail10.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.150]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUDGDXATD2TC2 for (sender ); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:14:45 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxhVuGLHncNLsHibFI8AXXs= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail10.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZ8AQ34H; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:14:00 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail10.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:12:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:12:00 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081117.081200.495.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 141:70:3325624928 X-MAIL-INFO:56dda1cd41055141adb48dd9c005a40c80e575043dc06169 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.150|webmail10.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How American Talk Radio Works X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=MGtg6o7m4A69WWEGgH1CR0YHlWn8Bfj5yTu-BAGz9A X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Most talk show hosts cause me to click to "off." There are very few who are= entertaining while not insulting ones intelligence. That leaves a number t= hat you can count on one hand. Shock jocks will say anything to be outrageo= us, much like some who post on this list.=20=20 And here's another bombshell for you - TV wrestling is choreographed but ma= ny people actually watch and get involved. It is broadcast in prime time! And another: newspapers, magazines and TV, cable and radio news and enterta= inment shows - left and right - are biased and slanted in favor of demograp= hics, audience numbers and ad revenue and other sources of cash. And another: People listen and read passively because it's easier than thin= king. In the case of Keith Olbermann or Chris Matthews, that they (unthinki= ngly) agree with him 100%, on all issues, all the time. These guys are as h= ateful as they get. Right? Left? Does it matter? And another: Our society is ruled in large measure by sitcoms and the fat,= bloated population of complacent nincompoops that will stuff junk food int= o their mouths in the flickering light of the TV while they avoid THINKING = about anything whatsoever. Back to talk radio, like it or not, it is entertainment - and people find c= onservative talk show hosts, and very few liberal, entertaining. If you want to change the dynamic, find smart, entertaining, engaging liber= al talk show hosts who can connect with their audiences.=20 Liberals and Americans don't need a fairness doctrine or diatribes against = shock jocks - liberals and conservatives and Americans need radio and TV ta= lent espousing different viewpoints in an entertaining and engaging way. If it is entertaining They will listen!=20 That my friends is the radio broadcasting business. 'nuff said. -- kevin redding wrote: Former News Radio Staffer Spills the Beans on How Shock Jocks Inspire=20=20 Hatred and Anger By Dan Shelly, Milwaukee Magazine. Posted November 17, 2008. Behind the scenes of one of the largest and most successful news/talk=20=20 radio stations in America. Editor's Note: Thanks to the blogger Digby for highlighting this=20=20 essay, of which she writes, "This is a very interesting article=20=20 written by a former right wing talk show producer revealing the=20=20 secrets of the trade. I think the thing I find most interesting about=20=20 it is that this fellow is obviously a fairly level headed guy but it=20=20 took until the obnoxious talk radio coverage of Katrina for him to=20=20 realize that their entire schtick was a fraud. I first got into journalism because I thought I could make a difference. I wrote for the school newspaper and did =93news=94 reports on a radio=20=20 station a friend and I started at my high school in Springfield, Mo.=20=20 I got my first professional job at age 20, while still in college, at=20=20 a local radio station=92s news department. Three years later, I became=20=20 a news director, and 12 years after that, in 1995, I was recruited to=20=20 move to Milwaukee to become news director at WTMJ, one of the largest=20=20 and most successful news/talk radio stations in America. That was where my real education occurred. I worked for three years as news director, and then, in 1998, gained=20=20 the additional title of assistant program director, a role I held=20=20 until leaving the station in July 2006. From that position, I worked=20=20 closely with our talk show hosts and became intimately familiar with=20=20 how they appeal to listeners and shape their vision of the world. Let=20=20 me tell you some of the lessons I learned. To begin with, talk show hosts such as Charlie Sykes =96 one of the=20=20 best in the business =96 are popular and powerful because they appeal=20=20 to a segment of the population that feels disenfranchised and even=20=20 victimized by the media. These people believe the media are=20=20 predominantly staffed by and consistently reflect the views of social=20=20 liberals. This view is by now so long-held and deep-rooted, it has=20=20 evolved into part of virtually every conservative=92s DNA. To succeed, a talk show host must perpetuate the notion that his or=20=20 her listeners are victims, and the host is the vehicle by which they=20=20 can become empowered. The host frames virtually every issue in us-=20 versus-them terms. There has to be a bad guy against whom the host=20=20 will emphatically defend those loyal listeners. This enemy can be a politician =96 either a Democratic officeholder or, = =20 in rare cases where no Democrat is convenient to blame, it can be a=20=20 =93RINO=94 (a =93Republican In Name Only,=94 who is deemed not conservative= =20=20 enough). It can be the cold, cruel government bureaucracy. More often=20=20 than not, however, the enemy is the =93mainstream media=94 =96 local or = =20 national, print or broadcast. Sometimes, it can even be their own station=92s news director. One=20=20 year, Charlie targeted me because I had instructed my midday news=20=20 anchor to report the Wimbledon tennis results, even though the=20=20 matches wouldn=92t be telecast until much later in the day. Charlie=20=20 gave out my phone number and e-mail address on the air. I was flooded=20=20 with hate mail, nasty messages, and even one death threat from a=20=20 federal law enforcement agent whom I knew to be a big Charlie fan. In the talk radio business, this concept, which must be mastered to=20=20 be successful, is called =93differentiating=94 yourself from the rest of = =20 the media. It is a brilliant marketing tactic that has also helped=20=20 Fox News Channel thrive. =93We report, you decide=94 and =93Fair and=20=20 Balanced=94 are more than just savvy slogans. They are code words=20=20 signaling that only Fox will report the news in a way conservatives=20=20 see as objective and truthful. Forget any notion, however, that radio talk shows are supposed to be=20=20 fair, evenhanded discussions featuring a diversity of opinions. The=20=20 Fairness Doctrine, which required this, was repealed 20 years ago. So=20=20 talk shows can be, and are, all about the host=92s opinions, analyses=20=20 and general worldview. Programmers learned long ago that benign=20=20 conversations led by hosts who present all sides of an issue don=92t=20=20 attract large audiences. That=92s why Kathleen Dunn was forced out at=20=20 WTMJ in the early =9290s and why Jim and Andee were replaced in the=20=20 mid-=9290s by Dr. Laura. Pointed and provocative are what win. There is no way to win a disagreement with Charlie Sykes. Calls from=20=20 listeners who disagree with him don=92t get on the air if the show=92s=20=20 producer, who generally does the screening, fears they might make=20=20 Charlie look bad. I witnessed several occasions when Sen. Russ=20=20 Feingold, former Mayor John Norquist, Mayor Tom Barrett or others=20=20 would call in, but wouldn=92t be allowed on the air. Opponents are far more likely to get through when the producer is=20=20 confident Charlie can use the dissenting caller to reinforce his=20=20 original point. Ask former Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Publisher Keith=20=20 Spore, or former Police Chief Arthur Jones. How can Charlie do that?=20=20 By belittling the caller=92s point of view. You can always tell,=20=20 however, when the antagonist has gotten the better of Charlie. That=92s = =20 when he starts attacking the caller personally. But the worst fate comes for those who ignore Charlie when he asks on=20=20 the air why they did or didn=92t do something, and they never respond.=20=20 That leaves him free to make his point unabated, day after day. The=20=20 most frequent victims of this were Journal Sentinel Editor Marty=20=20 Kaiser and Managing Editor George Stanley. Charlie knew they would rarely call or e-mail to answer his=20=20 criticism, so he could both criticize decisions they had made and=20=20 blast them for not having the guts to come on his show and respond.=20=20 What little credibility they had among Charlie=92s audience would=20=20 decline by a thousand cuts. It would have been far better for them to=20=20 face Charlie head on and take their lumps so he would move on to the=20=20 next victim =96 I mean, topic. One entire group that rarely gets on the air are the elderly callers=20=20 =96 unless they have something extraordinary to say. Sadly, that=20=20 doesn=92t happen often. The theory is that old-sounding callers help=20=20 produce old-skewing audiences. The target demo is 25 to 54, not 65=20=20 and older. Talk radio, after all, is in the entertainment business. But that=20=20 doesn=92t mean it has no impact on public policy. Quite the contrary. The stereotyped liberal view of the talk radio audience is that it=92s=20=20 a lot of angry, uneducated white men. In fact, the audience is far=20=20 more diverse. Many are businesspeople, doctors, lawyers, academics,=20=20 clergy, or soccer moms and dads. Talk show fans are not stupid. They=20=20 will detect an obvious phony. The best hosts sincerely believe=20=20 everything they say. Their passion is real. Their arguments have been=20=20 carefully crafted in a manner they know will be meaningful to the=20=20 audience, and that validates the views these folks were already=20=20 thinking. Yet while talk show audiences aren=92t being led like lemmings to a=20=20 certain conclusion, they can be carefully prodded into agreement with=20=20 the Republican views of the day. Conservative talk show hosts would receive daily talking points e-=20 mails from the Bush White House, the Republican National Committee=20=20 and, during election years, GOP campaign operations. They=92re not=20=20 called talking points, but that=92s what they are. I know, because I=20=20 received them, too. During my time at WTMJ, Charlie would generally=20=20 mine the e-mails, then couch the daily message in his own words.=20=20 Midday talker Jeff Wagner would be more likely to rely on them=20=20 verbatim. But neither used them in their entirety, or every single day. Charlie and Jeff would also check what other conservative talk show=20=20 hosts around the country were saying. Rush Limbaugh=92s Web site was=20=20 checked at least once daily. Atlanta-based nationally syndicated=20=20 talker Neal Boortz was another popular choice. Select conservative=20=20 blogs were also perused. A smart talk show host will, from time to time, disagree publicly=20=20 with a Republican president, the Republican Party, or some=20=20 conservative doctrine. (President Bush=92s disastrous choice of Harriet = =20 Miers for the Supreme Court was one such example.) But these=20=20 disagreements are strategically chosen to prove the host is an=20=20 independent thinker, without appreciably harming the president or=20=20 party. This is not to suggest that hosts don=92t genuinely disagree=20=20 with the conservative line at times. They do, more often than you=20=20 might think. But they usually keep it to themselves. One of the things that makes a talk show host good =96 especially hosts = =20 of the caliber of Sykes =96 is that his or her arguments seem so solid. = =20 You fundamentally disagree with the host, yet can=92t refute the=20=20 argument because it sounds so airtight. The host has built a strong=20=20 case with lots of supporting facts. Generally speaking, though, those facts have been selectively chosen=20=20 because they support the host=92s preconceived opinion, or can be=20=20 interpreted to seem as if they do. In their frustration, some talk=20=20 show critics accuse hosts of fabricating facts. Wrong. Hosts do=20=20 gather evidence, but in a way that modifies the old Joe Friday maxim:=20=20 =93Just the facts that I can use to make my case, ma=92am.=94 Hint: The more talk show hosts squawk about something =96 the louder=20=20 their voice, the greater their emotion, the more effusive their=20=20 arguments =96 the more they=92re worried about the issue. For example,=20=20 talk show hosts eagerly participated in the 2004 Swift Boating of=20=20 John Kerry because they really feared he was going to win. This is a=20=20 common talk show tactic: If you lack compelling arguments in favor of=20=20 your candidate or point of view, attack the other side. These attacks=20=20 often rely on two key rhetorical devices, which I call You Know What=20=20 Would Happen If and The Preemptive Strike. Using the first strategy, a host will describe something a liberal=20=20 has said or done that conservatives disagree with, but for which the=20=20 liberal has not been widely criticized, and then say, =93You know what=20=20 would happen if a conservative had said (or done) that? He (or she)=20=20 would have been filleted by the =91liberal media.=92 =94 This is=20=20 particularly effective because it=92s a two-fer, simultaneously=20=20 reinforcing the notion that conservatives are victims and that=20=20 =93liberals=94 are the enemy. The second strategy, The Preemptive Strike, is used when a host knows=20=20 that news reflecting poorly on conservative dogma is about to break=20=20 or become more widespread. When news of the alleged massacre at=20=20 Haditha first trickled out in the summer of 2006, not even Iraq War=20=20 chest-thumper Charlie Sykes would defend the U.S. Marines accused of=20=20 killing innocent civilians in the Iraqi village. So he spent lots of=20=20 air time criticizing how the =93mainstream media=94 was sure to=20=20 sensationalize the story in the coming weeks. Charlie would kill the=20=20 messengers before any message had even been delivered. Good talk show hosts can get their listeners so lathered up that they=20=20 truly can change public policy. They can inspire like-minded folks to=20=20 flood the phone lines and e-mail inboxes of aldermen, county=20=20 supervisors, legislators and federal lawmakers. They can inspire=20=20 their followers to vote for candidates the hosts prefer. How? By=20=20 pounding away on an issue or candidate, hour after hour, day after=20=20 day. Hosts will extol the virtues of the favored candidate or, more=20=20 likely, exploit whatever Achilles heel the other candidate might=20=20 have. Influencing elections is more likely to occur at the local=20=20 rather than national level, but that still gives talk radio power. By the way, here=92s a way to prognosticate elections just by listening = =20 to talk shows: Except in presidential elections, when they will=20=20 always carry water for the Republican nominee, conservative hosts=20=20 won=92t hurt their credibility by backing candidates they think can=92t = =20 win. So if they=92re uncharacteristically tepid, or even silent, about=20=20 a particular race, that means the Democrat has a good chance of=20=20 winning. Nor will hosts spend their credibility on an issue where=20=20 they know they disagree with listeners. Charlie, for example, told me=20=20 just before I left TMJ that Wisconsin=92s 2006 anti-gay marriage=20=20 amendment was misguided. But he knew his followers would likely vote=20=20 for it in droves. So he declined to speak out directly against it. This brings us to perhaps the most ironic thing about most talk show=20=20 hosts. Though they may savage politicians and others they oppose,=20=20 they fear criticism or critiques of any kind. They can dish it out,=20=20 but they can=92t take it. One day during a very bad snowstorm, I walked into the studio during=20=20 a commercial break and suggested to Charlie that he start talking=20=20 about it rather than whatever conservative topic he=92d been=20=20 discussing. Charlie assumed, as he usually did in such situations,=20=20 that I was being critical of his topic. In reaction, he unplugged his=20=20 head phones, stood up and told me that I might as well take over the=20=20 show because he wasn=92t going to change his topic. I was able to=20=20 quickly strike a bargain before the end of the break. He agreed to=20=20 take a few calls about the storm, but if it didn=92t a strike a nerve=20=20 with callers, he could return to his original topic. The snowstorm was the topic of the rest of his show that day. And=20=20 afterward, Charlie came to my office and admitted I=92d been right. But = =20 we would go through scenarios such as this many times through the years. Another tense moment arose when the Harley-Davidson 100th anniversary=20=20 was captivating the community =96 and our on-air coverage =96 in 2003,=20=20 but Charlie wanted to talk about school choice for seemingly the=20=20 100,000th time. He literally threw a fit, off the air and on,=20=20 belittling other hosts, the news department and station management=20=20 for devoting resources to Harley=92s 100th coverage. =93The Green House=94 = =20 newsman Phil Cianciola countered that afternoon with a joke about=20=20 Charlie riding a Harley wearing loafers. Charlie complained to=20=20 management about Phil and wouldn=92t speak civilly about him in my=20=20 presence again. Hosts are most dangerous when someone they=92ve targeted for criticism=20=20 tries to return the fire. It is foolish to enter into a dispute with=20=20 someone who has a 50,000-watt radio transmitter at his or her=20=20 disposal and feels cornered. Oh, and calling a host names =96 =93right-=20 winger,=94 =93fascist,=94 =93radio squawker,=94 etc. =96 merely plays into = his or=20=20 her hands. This allows a host like Sykes to portray himself as a=20=20 victim of the =93left-wing spin machine,=94 and will leave his listeners, = =20 who also feel victimized, dying to support him. In essence, the host=20=20 will mount a Hillary Rodham Clinton =93vast right-wing conspiracy=94=20=20 attack in reverse. A conservative emulating Hillary? Yep. A great talk show host is like=20=20 a great college debater, capable of arguing either side of any issue=20=20 in a logical, thorough and convincing manner. This skill ensures=20=20 their continuing success regardless of which political party is in=20=20 power. For example: =95 In the talk show world, the line-item veto was the most effective=20=20 way to control government spending when Ronald Reagan was president;=20=20 it was a violation of the separation of powers after President=20=20 Clinton took office. =95 Perjury was a heinous crime when Clinton was accused of lying under = =20 oath about his extramarital activities. But when Scooter Libby, Vice=20=20 President Dick Cheney=92s top aide, was charged with lying under oath,=20=20 it was the prosecutor who had committed an egregious act by charging=20=20 Libby with perjury. =95 "Activist judges" are the scourge of the earth when they rule it is = =20 unconstitutional to deny same-sex couples the rights heterosexuals=20=20 receive. But judicial activism is needed to stop the husband of a=20=20 woman in a persistent vegetative state =96 say Terri Schiavo =96 from=20=20 removing her feeding tube to end her suffering. To amuse myself while listening to a talk show, I would ask myself=20=20 what the host would say if the situation were reversed. What if=20=20 alleged D.C. Madam client Sen. David Vitter had been a Democrat?=20=20 Would the reaction of talk show hosts have been so quiet you could=20=20 hear crickets chirping? Hardly. Or what if former Rep. Mark Foley had been a Democrat? Would his=20=20 pedophile-like tendencies have been excused as a =93prank=94 or mere=20=20 =93overfriendly e-mails?=94 Not on the life of your teenage son. Suppose Al Gore was president and ordered an invasion of Iraq without=20=20 an exit strategy. Suppose this had led to the deaths of more than=20=20 4,000 U.S. troops and actually made that part of the world less=20=20 stable. Would talk show hosts have dismissed criticism of that war as=20=20 unpatriotic? No chance. Or imagine that John Kerry had been president during Hurricane=20=20 Katrina and that his administration=92s rescue and rebuilding effort=20=20 had been horribly botched. Would talk show hosts have branded him a=20=20 great president? Of course not. It was Katrina, finally, that made me truly see the light. Until=20=20 then, 10 years into my time at TMJ, while I might have disagreed with=20=20 some stands the hosts took, I did think there were grounds for their=20=20 constant criticism of the media. I had convinced myself that the=20=20 national media had an intrinsic bias that was, at the very least,=20=20 geographical if not ideological, to which talk radio could provide an=20=20 alternative. Then along came the worst natural disaster in U.S. history.=20=20 Journalists risked their lives to save others as the storm hit the=20=20 Gulf Coast. Afterward, journalists endured the stench and the filth=20=20 to chronicle the events for a stunned world. Then they documented the=20=20 monumental government incompetence for an outraged nation. These=20=20 journalists became voices for the voiceless victims, pressing=20=20 government officials to get help to those who needed it. Yet, while New Orleans residents were still screaming for help from=20=20 the rooftops of their flooded homes, journalists were targeted by=20=20 talk show hosts, Charlie and Wagner among them. Not the government,=20=20 but journalists. Stories detailing the federal government=92s obvious=20=20 slowness and inefficiency were part of an =93angry left=94 conspiracy,=20=20 they said. Talk show hosts who used e-mailed talking points from the=20=20 conservative spin machine proclaimed the Katrina stories were part of=20=20 a liberal =93media template.=94 The irony would have been laughable if=20=20 the story wasn=92t so serious. I went to Charlie and Jeff and told them my concerns. They waved me=20=20 off. I went to Program Director Rick Belcher and told him I thought=20=20 Charlie and Jeff had things terribly wrong. He disagreed. I was=20=20 distraught. I felt I was actively participating in something so=20=20 inconsistent with reality that even most conservative talk radio=20=20 devotees would see this. But in a way, it was merely a more obvious=20=20 example of how talk radio portrayed reality selectively. I was a dedicated program manager. I helped the hosts at my station=20=20 do show prep by finding stories I knew would pique their interest and=20=20 fire up their constituencies. I met with Charlie Sykes daily, about a=20=20 half-hour before show time, to help him talk through topics before=20=20 going on the air. Charlie is one of the smartest people I know, but=20=20 he performs at his best with that kind of preparation. I often defended Jeff Wagner from upset moderates and liberals in the=20=20 community. Jeff=92s a very good talk show host whose brilliance is=20=20 overshadowed only by his stubbornness. I helped our program directors try to find the right role for Mark=20=20 Reardon, who, in my opinion, was always miscast (he wasn=92t as right-=20 wing as Sykes or Wagner and his job was switched several times).=20=20 Ultimately, that miscasting helped his career, because WTMJ laid him=20=20 off, after which he became a talk show star in St. Louis, a much=20=20 larger market. I worked with news and sports hosts, too =96 Robb Edwards, Jon Belmont, = =20 Ken Herrera, Jonathan Green, Len Kasper, Bill Michaels =96 to help them = =20 craft ways to sound human and =93real=94 behind the microphone without=20=20 violating the separation of church and state that existed between the=20=20 station=92s talk and news programming. Sometimes I succeeded. Sometimes = =20 I didn=92t. And we were successful, consistently ranking No. 1 among persons 12=20=20 and older and in the top five in the advertiser-coveted 25 to 54=20=20 demo. Yet I was often angrily asked, once by then-Mayor John=20=20 Norquist, why we just didn=92t change our call letters to =93WGOP.=94 The = =20 complaints were just another sign of our impact. I left WTMJ with some regret, attracted by an offer to work in the=20=20 cutting edge field of digital media at one of the nation=92s largest=20=20 news and entertainment conglomerates. By then, I had worked more than=20=20 26 years in radio news and more than 23 as a news director. In the=20=20 constant push for ratings, I had seen and helped foster the=20=20 transformation of AM radio and the rise of conservative hosts. They=20=20 have a power that is unlikely to decline. Their rise was also helped by liberals whose ideology, after all,=20=20 emphasizes tolerance. Their friendly toleration of talk radio merely=20=20 gave the hosts more credibility. Yet an attitude of intolerance was=20=20 probably worse: It made the liberals look hypocritical, giving=20=20 ammunition to talk show hosts who used it with great skill. But the key reason talk radio succeeds is because its hosts can=20=20 exploit the fears and perceived victimization of a large swath of=20=20 conservative-leaning listeners. And they feel victimized because many=20=20 liberals and moderates have ignored or trivialized their concerns and=20=20 have stereotyped these Americans as uncaring curmudgeons. Because of that, there will always be listeners who believe that=20=20 Charlie Sykes, Jeff Wagner and their compatriots are the only members=20=20 of the media who truly care about them. Dan Shelley now works as a digital media executive in New York City. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 08:36:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64954 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 16:35:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2008 16:35:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2008 16:35:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87837 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2008 16:35:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wzBphgYVM1lZG8W4.Z4sXRhQV__.TJskGS.ybLr2BGGGlWmpXsiQTwq0LGvoOCLXpWNPXX_ibD9.e5lO0Zz4K7CCgGOUOH.F7wMHLhrNQFWseBwQX8.ZOSIF0GH_XF3bWUlHyKjJoMdlkjG44semKWud X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:35:57 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:35:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <197823.87735.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=z3AGdTy4eKAMitZ6JkGh5pIkqy1r_Yf8EN0anqePpAM_i_oUEWhSA4U X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio We have several solar manufacturers here in Toledo, and the new stuff works on cloudy days (that isn't silicon-based)! Effeciency is still not huge, but just high enough to make it work doing. There was an AM station in NW Ohio on all solar power at one time. From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Nov 17 09:42:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37485 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 17:42:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2008 17:42:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s24.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.224) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2008 17:42:23 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W20 ([64.4.19.120]) by bay0-omc3-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:42:20 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:42:20 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2008 17:42:20.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[D77F6D60:01C948DB] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} How American Right Wing Radio Works X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=-T2ieUiK8hZepLmgEmsENXlD989BgvpeokTNgpT1I5_fXW9E0Xjp X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very well done Kevin. I consider myself to be a middle of the road person, with some conservative ie gun control, fiscal responsibility, etc. leanings and some liberal ie birth control, stem cell research, etc. leanings. This makes for some very interesting reading. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Nov 17 11:42:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7507 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 19:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2008 19:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.146) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2008 19:42:10 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1273483qwk.24 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:42:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.11.12 with SMTP id 12mr3007573qak.117.1226950929887; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:42:09 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1248531qwk.1.2008.11.17.11.42.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:42:09 -0800 (PST) Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amradiodx@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <5A098AEB-8764-4585-8F1D-A0A1B0B7B00A@gmail.com> To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <132183.23243.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:42:05 -0500 References: <132183.23243.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: [ABDX] We have a new ham on ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=EERr7luYwzaSgz3kpLHjiNgljWuVu45YGUBMd-xJf-TazpoooA8_A28hrT1iZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 17, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Possum Hunter will soon be on the air with his General Class ham > license Possum Hunter IS on the air! Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 17 12:30:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17390 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 20:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2008 20:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2008 20:30:44 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c7b.45dda898 (32913) for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:30:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:30:38 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10507 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How American Talk Radio Works X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=yigCc319IhryypjL9z3dJI2ljS3XZYjGjkWyoIMS8tj2EV6vLhB9oNOtllBDPHZz X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone ever actually read the Part 73 rule which implemented the Fairness Doctrine? Mike ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 17 12:40:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44934 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 20:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2008 20:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2008 20:40:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cbb.2b6aa790 (32913); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:39:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:39:47 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10507 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] We have a new ham on ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=d4T15g_kJeu2WuEhT3fQHdAVl861vqQGwTmb-OoCT-uSLPfDugNZnWxC-ddauxJP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/17/2008 1:42:42 PM Central Standard Time, thepossumhunter@gmail.com writes: > > Possum Hunter will soon be on the air with his General Class ham > > license > > Possum Hunter IS on the air! > > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD > Congratulations! Mike ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Nov 17 12:59:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67859 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 20:59:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2008 20:59:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2008 20:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail10.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.150]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUDYZXAHVVGKJ for (sender ); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:58:29 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD+e9CPKWGDKAJq3PTDL2Sqg= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail10.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id NZ8SZXG9; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:58:27 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail10.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:58:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:58:10 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081117.125810.29066.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:247115411 X-MAIL-INFO:2b7d21144481099005cde52109ade9b484e1e0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.150|webmail10.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How American Talk Radio Works X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=nlQs0E8p6nURl964cqbcwi03_4LjtReQ6VgC4RXp3g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Not qualified to read any of that legaleses. That is why one hires a law firm. Don -- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: Has anyone ever actually read the Part 73 rule which implemented the Fairne= ss=20 Doctrine? Mike =20 From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Nov 17 13:44:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98251 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 21:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2008 21:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f20.google.com) (209.85.221.20) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2008 21:44:27 -0000 X-Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so613415qyk.23 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:44:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.241.19 with SMTP id o19mr3200809qah.29.1226958267025; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:44:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.67? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm1352888qwa.8.2008.11.17.13.44.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:44:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:44:21 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: [ABDX] We have a new ham on ABDX X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Bk4DAm8QiBHrhe4-ecTMzvyognZLticEo305zZRVr9LDFatPnec2EJnbg2ETtg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 17, 2008, at 3:39 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Congratulations! Thanks! I wish I had done it a long time ago, but I was ALWAYS working when a test was near me. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 14:35:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44743 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 22:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2008 22:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.222) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2008 22:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2008 22:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.248] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2008 22:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2008 22:35:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 162436.83035.bm@omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 80411 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2008 22:35:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.108.56 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2008 22:35:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xHuA_eEVM1kF89_qNPzdksKgoGdkkp6swh7q9iDDb_jRuPije11i1CEhYZtZou9PVkjy2bHg_sK8.lDRW.cLlevpP4Va28xLKxhRFHFtcCfN_7VRHqT6CvFivjpjnQ5FzL2zYg5Wb5j.hygS2KMDZDunY0jtpJjdiWwKig-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:35:48 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} How American Right Wing Radio Works X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=_APFTRUeAKLa6ppqI83cpVt7El891COSDHQWw6jTA2EvOfn5JA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Very well done Kevin. I consider myself to be a middle of the road > person, with some conservative ie gun control, fiscal > responsibility, etc. leanings and some liberal ie birth control, > stem cell research, etc. leanings. This makes for some very > interesting reading. I am glad someone on this list found it interesting. Kevin From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Nov 17 18:28:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5387 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 02:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 02:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.134.50) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 02:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2008 02:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2008 02:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2008 02:27:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:27:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.134.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.204 From: "jotape1960" Subject: IF wide filters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_erWOdbpYETkbhlabYFJGt9eJBBnY-rtrORbZL1owKx8JN7raA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somedoby here knows something about how and where to find=20 IF filters (450 and/or 455 KHZ) but with a wiiiiiiiiiiiiider audio=20 response. Some idea??? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 18 00:18:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36227 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 08:18:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 08:18:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 08:18:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74811 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2008 08:18:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZRctMTMVM1nFY0dYH2lMVdYUMxy3wPkhnGj0ldFUFbiKK3VLV2LU2V4.my5qlj.ODdtP7H.yh9yMpKbF9nzStVEHuWNeO5g1Q.58VwZEQaIAdVSiDde0UQsC_AB3OublR3A1Idv.d54Oyg2t_FM2Q6eobmAcUmkY9tXI0_BdCL0n.OI- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:18:48 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:18:48 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <40D75AA2-5244-4084-B42E-FFD96A80A477@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <299608.74626.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=G_A-fLIZ6sW2zBRj0oysyocDSBQWU1FDhjuDrbrm7Ej7SRR3SiGb X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We agree to disagree on this issue.=A0=20 =A0 --- On Sun, 11/16/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 10:37 AM On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:31 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Yep and I dont want that shit in my backyard. I know your type.=20 > You are the type that are like "oh I want nuclear as long as it=20 > isnt in my backyard.... .just please put it over there in a poor=20 > persons backyard". I know your type. Kevin, Apparently you have not read my messages. Many times I have stated in my messages that I would be glad to have=20 them build a nuclear power plant in my hometown, Adamsville, TN. My=20 town is so small that it would literally be in my backyard. For real. I have not lived here my whole life but back in 1980 I was living=20 here and we voted to have TVA to build a nuke plant just across the=20 border in Yellow Creek, MS. Its in the next county over. We all voted=20 for it. We wanted it. We wanted the money so we could give our=20 children a better life and the plant would bring in the money so they=20 could go to the University and come back here to live and have good=20 jobs. We aren't afraid of nuclear power here. Sorry, not a NIMBY when it comes to that. We know that it would bring=20 good paying jobs and lots of electric power that will not pollute=20 like coal and gas and oil. My father in law built the containment=20 vessel for it. He poured a lot of concrete to make the plant safe.=20 Nuclear power doesn't scare too many Tennesseeans here in the west=20 part of the state and in the east part of the state at Oak Ridge. We=20 aren't NIMBYS for nuclear plants, but coal, we are the WORST NIMBYs=20 you ever could meet. You my man are not just wrong, you are ignorant and fearful. Kevin Adamsville, TN =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 18 00:21:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99932 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 08:21:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 08:21:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 08:21:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33600 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2008 08:21:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AfPyCskVM1lfijPl3Xc3KQ6GuGxcbxgzpuKalu4ChCaLH7aHxhOZtDuAnSVnXJ6oPOYVwMIHl4iJYmfEVjEnAb30J7y1bZrUzCmfUSClGYHE8EZoGHIZZ44rZ0yxi.rRS.3GDP_p52kmbM2BzlubzGRNQFsK8ee4SSZHCjbbbbwKCSI- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:21:50 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:21:50 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <167319.1484.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <260103.32212.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=4HRxlYoKRwRwmo8hivtcn3QduE-v9fphLsqYrtEfmOJBU5mIvAba X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sure i'm a liberal.=A0 I don't make any bones about that.=A0 Take for insta= nce this gay marriage ban.=A0 Why should I care who gets married as long as= they love each other and are committed?=A0 Nothing wrong with being a libe= ral.=A0 Speaking of that issue I mentioned I have actually know gay people = who were republicans though.=A0 That doesnt make any sense though when repu= blicans are against them.=A0 I can't make any sense of that.=A0 Anyway yeah= I'm a liberal on most issues.=A0 I never said I wasn't. =A0 --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 2:27 PM And a liberal.....=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/16/08, kevin redding wrote: > You my man are not just wrong, you are ignorant and > fearful. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 18 00:22:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19135 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 08:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 08:22:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 08:22:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86811 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2008 08:22:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lm6e.NsVM1m603j6GAz3.WcKYbSHnMHgwQL2.M9exgKRVaKe_2hyCByjsN8mdxrJK4rB9B3fwR53gt0uDGZJlkuOrSNY69ooJQDU3zG998KHIKzitAvPmJ89s7Pannx0NJ6kXvAyHjf6RzTkFNHO_thCJrANHUPeXkOqRsT6P5nkTf8- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:22:30 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:22:30 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <81739.86764.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=DqmbrN_CRkbQKHXoqqDp7V9LYrVOJ8aNJetoHADvHt91fY777kT6 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Where is this?=A0 I'd like to see this?=A0 Was it in the official report? =A0 =A0 --- On Sun, 11/16/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 10:40 AM On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:30 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Playboy, well from that I can tell you made that one up because=20 > if that were so in the 30 years after that damn accident it would=20 > have come out by now. Thats simply a fabrication of your wild=20 > imagination. .. Oh no. That one is real. We got the reports about that one. That part=20 is real. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 18 00:23:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43373 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 08:23:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 08:23:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 08:23:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1108 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2008 08:23:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XEOe1kkVM1nKfsezKgKfQXLGeRS89dfd62uZP2C6XeMRhi5yK4HrINfiknTvSckbrIRhZWi7EmVXBCMc.1FoNqIGD3jxTjcJlaNoWACF83ojt_tpfWYXw1KFjV7RzDohByzWI2pdpyFcHH.rE.qcYY7J01K3jg8vw3Whx.aKvz8ZHZw- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:23:18 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:23:18 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8D7222C6-A8D5-4C7F-8B9A-D438F32341E2@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <694401.54730.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ft0GeTp_hn3_Kg7BArxMsB0AkN_tPRewbt4y4U2HF6JMaeGz2zGv X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I couldn't fathom what else they do with those things, LOL! Still was = that in the official report?=A0 I have never ever heard of that in anything= I've read. =A0 --- On Sun, 11/16/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 10:41 AM On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:35 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > If he were he wouldn't need to fabricate some story about a guy=20 > masturbating to a playboy being the cause of Three Mile Island. No, I said nothing about masturbating. I said he was reading one. I=20 believe there is a difference. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 18 00:23:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1155 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 08:23:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 08:23:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 08:23:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49232 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2008 08:23:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1XQYA0EVM1kRdb0494B0NujJCAUbZ.Vp5h0R.z.O1P.mntCfN5R2BwdUZjQ1xb8t17lszFTrBf3j85QXin5m86J68C7gPdXOTQlh4vTywKJDHCFeoVs27KblXUqhdFnM_MPYekvUUaiXOPfPOpk_8q6Ak61_7M0CowiUqNbYYkzI_8I- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:23:56 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:23:56 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5210C9E9-CB9C-4348-B0C2-70FC9860C644@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <769115.49155.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=PytEsT2X4TrfCNwKS6Ms_PQPy0u6mQzMnWMAnjP4XQrLlFOz_Gui X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It was very efficient! =A0 =A0 --- On Sun, 11/16/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 10:43 AM On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:42 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > What if every house were built like that mans house featured in the=20 > show? We would be screaming about open pit lead mining then. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 18 00:24:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45021 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 08:24:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 08:24:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 08:24:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88406 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2008 08:24:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZLeSwhEVM1lb_vQpNpw9yjEyYjr9lU34XyWsxzLIj8sTalY_GAxgXvOrAmoiu5dMr76Im103ai4pq35bemORAHDiF6IYSR4pKWQmC.UTsu5j1HEX_O079jn8QC67MIlAcYXYvnpUGXWH69jskEC_IU5RoApqIuZGIu9Skf6CxhUzoyU- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:24:26 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:24:26 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8344676A-BDA5-4895-8F1C-C74B0FF18AC6@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <545388.87966.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=BSwH0bBrB7AJcabeCZiy6Vp349o__4MCaejtyqOWndrKFV50bB_E X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And still does!=A0 It's just covered up better now. =A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Sun, 11/16/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 10:44 AM On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:44 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > "that swamp is deader than hell." and no telling what is=20 > contaminated around that area and our state in general! The government in its ignorance back in the late 1940s did a lot of=20 really stupid things. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 18 00:25:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31019 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 08:25:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 08:25:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 08:25:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2989 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2008 08:25:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZLAWhZgVM1mma3bf0jFwdQXeSAUZWhsKMvuiV4ZW_bVho5aviuW7ycOtDjk80gi3sHmvFMGs1ZSgQ8L_oVLIj0oEZvxvR0p_4ikCidnVwRdnB0zBDc1l22ChMsSgNQZ.sEx.MFSR20ne3P_gslGLM.7grQ6o_S8yLoUIz1a9J5cSkUK.Kzg8V5FygAkAPjo_EgzKNbDly6mPJCPRmBzQF9WXH2yQ5qdjbFMWd.8gFzN3YzfvV.R5Qh.Jox.ZWl_dY8xnqFhk9zHFUptgdNZI_k8.MUCA X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:25:55 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:25:55 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <803206.72540.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <121761.2893.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=WC5QMDZBe1ARLxBaEO7lLkZ5ap2AQSUGYy5SDI3pGw4f8qMvtdGN X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But the point though Powell is that they are actually very efficient now.= =A0 Whats wrong if they go bad in 30 years?=A0 That is a pretty good lifeti= me and think of the money you'd save.=A0It would pay for itself and keep it= self maintained by that savings as well. =A0 --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 2:32 PM The CORRECT batteries used in solar have a life expectancy of 30 years. 20 = year warranty and a warranty claim during this time of well under 1%. They = can be recycled. By the time their life expectancy is over, a new charge ho= lding technology will be in place. There's some technology that when in pro= duction in a few years will make Lithium Ion rechargables have 10 times or = more capacity than they have now. How about 30 AMP AA batteries... ... 300 = amp D cells. Get my drift? Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/16/08, kevin redding wrote: >=20 > > What if every house were built like that mans house > featured in the=20 > > show? >=20 > We would be screaming about open pit lead mining then. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 18 00:27:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72925 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 08:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 08:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 08:27:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73095 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2008 08:27:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Y4ZnqBMVM1mPBCh9E8BReiZcxJwF68VhswERQs_qZxR3JsPrCMoGKeuXlkGcBs26aAgTgO.PxAMAPIKs1KTX6I6z3.VaLchDJFi3qIobKFF3GDvZA05pOUWPbk1KFU6LJ.A.4EDaYIVGr6C1CDEe1Q7QQoxLAxumhm3HKzp6BCgnDXM- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:27:15 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:27:15 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <200485A0-6CE2-4CFE-831E-AFB7761F8721@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <977227.72756.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=1BZFuXh_gBulT0otFdH-I8H48yW4iVdwtdd2rDtppWNcFX3OtTRP X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well you're the one who told about this far fetched story.=A0 Why not make = it more entertaining in the process?=A0=20 =A0 =A0 --- On Sun, 11/16/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 11:24 AM > If he were he wouldn't need to fabricate some story about a guy=20 > masturbating to a playboy being the cause of Three Mile Island. The dude was reading a Playboy when the first alarms went off. He=20 shut them off because they made no sense. Went to read the Playboy=20 again and then about 200 alarms went off in the next two minutes. A=20 supervisor turned on the standby coolant pumps just in case=20 everything with the 200 alarms was correct. This move was the one=20 that prevented a meltdown. The starting of the standby pumps was not=20 per procedure and that guy needed a medal or something for doing that. This was in the post mortem report sent to all the Naval Reactor=20 operators. And again, no one was masturbating to a Playboy. You just have to get=20 ignorant and say something stupid and over the top. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 00:33:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25589 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 08:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 08:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 08:33:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2008 08:33:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2008 08:33:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:33:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.112 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.53.112 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: IF wide filters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=pdNwiA6MlSObSRf4bBfhv-ML2HOpT5kBMo7hF7d-g70 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Juan=20 Wider than ??? What you have now, and how wide you want to be the new=20 filter (I guess you're talking about the ceramic IF filter)?=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I wonder if somedoby here knows something about how and where to find=20 > IF filters (450 and/or 455 KHZ) but with a wiiiiiiiiiiiiider audio=20 > response. >=20 > Some idea??? >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 18 00:48:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59011 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 08:48:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 08:48:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 08:48:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66021 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2008 08:48:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MXbnY7cVM1lTLPHIDJi8yZepjtqPgUmNhFhpjIO1xodRVKyUYIk1HJuQccmB.2iL6_90WiWAjO03kpMzpVwVct09QZWX9Xhjoie_H.dgIxmk2tGuswrzWfV1a365MtyzH9YWksCRxJXY2hdKWpWoqiCkFVXu76EAGulUgFaeDPdnLTU- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:48:50 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:48:50 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1B9807F2-52DD-406D-9DC2-A2D0F59EE8CE@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <390551.65133.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Jobs in Jeopardy Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=XevMqxqmIMupo0vcKRITmdGmMu37ZZgQfeByYm97tZj-q86uJKyp X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heres the article: =A0 http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/081023-ap-xrays-tape.html =A0 =A0 --- On Sun, 11/16/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Jobs in Jeopardy Now OT: Electricity for America= 's Future To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 10:45 AM On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:45 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > And Scotch tape emits X-Rays when its pulled off the roll.=20 > Craziest thing I've heard but it was in the news a few weeks ago. Don't know about that one. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 18 01:36:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96402 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 09:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 09:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 09:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c6b.458c5be7 (42809) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:35:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:35:51 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10516 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IF wide filters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=VDSoCt6xMbtJjM-qFLZYco0SYdORJCqKpm8VGcpUKACrS7oXeRfhQlJu73wCyI99 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my 1950s era Heathkit "Hi Fi" AM tuner, a wide IF bandwidth was achieved by offseting the resonant frequencies of regular IF transformers. For example, instead of peaking the response at 455 khz, the primary was tuned at 450 khz and the secondary was tuned at 460 khz. In this manner, the net response broadened without severely compromising the out of band slopes. I should say this approach does work. The high frequency response of the 50 year old Heathkit is actually better than my state of the AM art Denon TU-680 NAB. With newer high speed amplifiers, active filters can be built in the AM IF range. That may be a better way to go than conventional IF transformers assuming size and complexity aren't critical issues. Mike Mike ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 18 02:32:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65418 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 10:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 10:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 10:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c01.4e3bfbd6 (42809) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:31:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:31:59 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10516 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Jobs in Jeopardy Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=84r479VXCgbatCZn_7G4RgEe5SO7UXd739Wgp1UhMKJdHhopcY-lHqvJdX3ZjOxC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone ever chomped down on a wintergreen lifesaver in the dark? Mike ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Nov 18 07:49:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58428 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 15:49:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 15:49:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.140) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 15:49:31 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.23]) by bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:49:31 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:49:31 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.111 by BLU108-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:49:27 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:49:27 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2008 15:49:31.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F1ADE50:01C94995] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=FXaruGrSHPij3_X4DQDKaY5G2TuOIlFpvcAzhodaxAnf1O3h7Bymvgpnq-8 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is an example of someone who has da townhouse powered completely by solar. ( I know they guy; since he used to be a neighbor and he is a public defender and very very frugal, so I imagine he probably had the $20,000 to pay for this, but of course he got about half of that back, but still $20,000 is a lot of money for most of us. Donn --------------------- A Sunshine City first By DIRK SHADD St. Petersburg Times Published May 28, 2007 ST. PETERSBURG Here in the Sunshine City, midway down the coast of the Sunshine State, sunlight is part and parcel of everyday life. But Sunday, the city took an important first step when Peter Belmont flipped the switch on the first residentially permitted solar electric system in the city. On top of his townhouse, Belmont has a dozen 3-foot by 5-foot panels that will turn sunlight into electricity - about 2 kilowatts a day. He said the system cost $20, 000 to install, but he recouped about half of it from government credits and rebates. For much of the day, his house will actually be putting power back on the grid. City Councilman Jeff Danner attended the event and discussed ways to make the city more solar friendly. ? 2007 ? All Rights Reserved ? St. Petersburg Times 490 First Avenue South ? St. Petersburg, FL 33701 ? 727-893-8111 http://www.sptimes.com/2007/05/28/news_pf/Southpinellas/A_Sunshine_City_first.shtml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Nov 18 07:51:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88075 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 15:51:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 15:51:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s2.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.74) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 15:51:51 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.14]) by bay0-omc1-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:51:36 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:51:35 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.111 by BLU108-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:51:28 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:51:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2008 15:51:35.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[8945AF50:01C94995] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.74 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How American Right Wing Radio Works X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=RJNMw7ZbljpAwG-RQitlrM8eAte3znji_aM5n64mKrEYA8j0juiZaUAj9V4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Thanks for posting this Kevin. Very interesting and informative. -----Original Message----- From: kevin redding Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:11 AM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} How American Right Wing Radio Works Former News Radio Staffer Spills the Beans on How Shock Jocks Inspire=20=20 Hatred and Anger By Dan Shelly, Milwaukee Magazine. Posted November 17, 2008. Behind the scenes of one of the largest and most successful news/talk=20=20 radio stations in America. Editor's Note: Thanks to the blogger Digby for highlighting this=20=20 essay, of which she writes, "This is a very interesting article=20=20 written by a former right wing talk show producer revealing the=20=20 secrets of the trade. I think the thing I find most interesting about=20=20 it is that this fellow is obviously a fairly level headed guy but it=20=20 took until the obnoxious talk radio coverage of Katrina for him to=20=20 realize that their entire schtick was a fraud. I first got into journalism because I thought I could make a difference. I wrote for the school newspaper and did =EF=BF=BDnews=EF=BF=BD reports on = a radio=20=20 station a friend and I started at my high school in Springfield, Mo.=20=20 I got my first professional job at age 20, while still in college, at=20=20 a local radio station=EF=BF=BDs news department. Three years later, I becam= e=20=20 a news director, and 12 years after that, in 1995, I was recruited to=20=20 move to Milwaukee to become news director at WTMJ, one of the largest=20=20 and most successful news/talk radio stations in America. That was where my real education occurred. I worked for three years as news director, and then, in 1998, gained=20=20 the additional title of assistant program director, a role I held=20=20 until leaving the station in July 2006. From that position, I worked=20=20 closely with our talk show hosts and became intimately familiar with=20=20 how they appeal to listeners and shape their vision of the world. Let=20=20 me tell you some of the lessons I learned. To begin with, talk show hosts such as Charlie Sykes =EF=BF=BD one of the = =20 best in the business =EF=BF=BD are popular and powerful because they appeal= =20=20 to a segment of the population that feels disenfranchised and even=20=20 victimized by the media. These people believe the media are=20=20 predominantly staffed by and consistently reflect the views of social=20=20 liberals. This view is by now so long-held and deep-rooted, it has=20=20 evolved into part of virtually every conservative=EF=BF=BDs DNA. To succeed, a talk show host must perpetuate the notion that his or=20=20 her listeners are victims, and the host is the vehicle by which they=20=20 can become empowered. The host frames virtually every issue in us-=20 versus-them terms. There has to be a bad guy against whom the host=20=20 will emphatically defend those loyal listeners. This enemy can be a politician =EF=BF=BD either a Democratic officeholder o= r,=20=20 in rare cases where no Democrat is convenient to blame, it can be a=20=20 =EF=BF=BDRINO=EF=BF=BD (a =EF=BF=BDRepublican In Name Only,=EF=BF=BD who is= deemed not conservative=20=20 enough). It can be the cold, cruel government bureaucracy. More often=20=20 than not, however, the enemy is the =EF=BF=BDmainstream media=EF=BF=BD =EF= =BF=BD local or=20=20 national, print or broadcast. Sometimes, it can even be their own station=EF=BF=BDs news director. One = =20 year, Charlie targeted me because I had instructed my midday news=20=20 anchor to report the Wimbledon tennis results, even though the=20=20 matches wouldn=EF=BF=BDt be telecast until much later in the day. Charlie = =20 gave out my phone number and e-mail address on the air. I was flooded=20=20 with hate mail, nasty messages, and even one death threat from a=20=20 federal law enforcement agent whom I knew to be a big Charlie fan. In the talk radio business, this concept, which must be mastered to=20=20 be successful, is called =EF=BF=BDdifferentiating=EF=BF=BD yourself from th= e rest of=20=20 the media. It is a brilliant marketing tactic that has also helped=20=20 Fox News Channel thrive. =EF=BF=BDWe report, you decide=EF=BF=BD and =EF=BF= =BDFair and=20=20 Balanced=EF=BF=BD are more than just savvy slogans. They are code words = =20 signaling that only Fox will report the news in a way conservatives=20=20 see as objective and truthful. Forget any notion, however, that radio talk shows are supposed to be=20=20 fair, evenhanded discussions featuring a diversity of opinions. The=20=20 Fairness Doctrine, which required this, was repealed 20 years ago. So=20=20 talk shows can be, and are, all about the host=EF=BF=BDs opinions, analyses= =20=20 and general worldview. Programmers learned long ago that benign=20=20 conversations led by hosts who present all sides of an issue don=EF=BF=BDt = =20 attract large audiences. That=EF=BF=BDs why Kathleen Dunn was forced out at= =20=20 WTMJ in the early =EF=BF=BD90s and why Jim and Andee were replaced in the = =20 mid-=EF=BF=BD90s by Dr. Laura. Pointed and provocative are what win. There is no way to win a disagreement with Charlie Sykes. Calls from=20=20 listeners who disagree with him don=EF=BF=BDt get on the air if the show=EF= =BF=BDs=20=20 producer, who generally does the screening, fears they might make=20=20 Charlie look bad. I witnessed several occasions when Sen. Russ=20=20 Feingold, former Mayor John Norquist, Mayor Tom Barrett or others=20=20 would call in, but wouldn=EF=BF=BDt be allowed on the air. Opponents are far more likely to get through when the producer is=20=20 confident Charlie can use the dissenting caller to reinforce his=20=20 original point. Ask former Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Publisher Keith=20=20 Spore, or former Police Chief Arthur Jones. How can Charlie do that?=20=20 By belittling the caller=EF=BF=BDs point of view. You can always tell,=20=20 however, when the antagonist has gotten the better of Charlie. That=EF=BF= =BDs=20=20 when he starts attacking the caller personally. But the worst fate comes for those who ignore Charlie when he asks on=20=20 the air why they did or didn=EF=BF=BDt do something, and they never respond= .=20=20 That leaves him free to make his point unabated, day after day. The=20=20 most frequent victims of this were Journal Sentinel Editor Marty=20=20 Kaiser and Managing Editor George Stanley. Charlie knew they would rarely call or e-mail to answer his=20=20 criticism, so he could both criticize decisions they had made and=20=20 blast them for not having the guts to come on his show and respond.=20=20 What little credibility they had among Charlie=EF=BF=BDs audience would = =20 decline by a thousand cuts. It would have been far better for them to=20=20 face Charlie head on and take their lumps so he would move on to the=20=20 next victim =EF=BF=BD I mean, topic. One entire group that rarely gets on the air are the elderly callers=20=20 =EF=BF=BD unless they have something extraordinary to say. Sadly, that=20=20 doesn=EF=BF=BDt happen often. The theory is that old-sounding callers help = =20 produce old-skewing audiences. The target demo is 25 to 54, not 65=20=20 and older. Talk radio, after all, is in the entertainment business. But that=20=20 doesn=EF=BF=BDt mean it has no impact on public policy. Quite the contrary. The stereotyped liberal view of the talk radio audience is that it=EF=BF=BD= s=20=20 a lot of angry, uneducated white men. In fact, the audience is far=20=20 more diverse. Many are businesspeople, doctors, lawyers, academics,=20=20 clergy, or soccer moms and dads. Talk show fans are not stupid. They=20=20 will detect an obvious phony. The best hosts sincerely believe=20=20 everything they say. Their passion is real. Their arguments have been=20=20 carefully crafted in a manner they know will be meaningful to the=20=20 audience, and that validates the views these folks were already=20=20 thinking. Yet while talk show audiences aren=EF=BF=BDt being led like lemmings to a = =20 certain conclusion, they can be carefully prodded into agreement with=20=20 the Republican views of the day. Conservative talk show hosts would receive daily talking points e-=20 mails from the Bush White House, the Republican National Committee=20=20 and, during election years, GOP campaign operations. They=EF=BF=BDre not = =20 called talking points, but that=EF=BF=BDs what they are. I know, because I = =20 received them, too. During my time at WTMJ, Charlie would generally=20=20 mine the e-mails, then couch the daily message in his own words.=20=20 Midday talker Jeff Wagner would be more likely to rely on them=20=20 verbatim. But neither used them in their entirety, or every single day. Charlie and Jeff would also check what other conservative talk show=20=20 hosts around the country were saying. Rush Limbaugh=EF=BF=BDs Web site was = =20 checked at least once daily. Atlanta-based nationally syndicated=20=20 talker Neal Boortz was another popular choice. Select conservative=20=20 blogs were also perused. A smart talk show host will, from time to time, disagree publicly=20=20 with a Republican president, the Republican Party, or some=20=20 conservative doctrine. (President Bush=EF=BF=BDs disastrous choice of Harri= et=20=20 Miers for the Supreme Court was one such example.) But these=20=20 disagreements are strategically chosen to prove the host is an=20=20 independent thinker, without appreciably harming the president or=20=20 party. This is not to suggest that hosts don=EF=BF=BDt genuinely disagree = =20 with the conservative line at times. They do, more often than you=20=20 might think. But they usually keep it to themselves. One of the things that makes a talk show host good =EF=BF=BD especially hos= ts=20=20 of the caliber of Sykes =EF=BF=BD is that his or her arguments seem so soli= d.=20=20 You fundamentally disagree with the host, yet can=EF=BF=BDt refute the=20=20 argument because it sounds so airtight. The host has built a strong=20=20 case with lots of supporting facts. Generally speaking, though, those facts have been selectively chosen=20=20 because they support the host=EF=BF=BDs preconceived opinion, or can be = =20 interpreted to seem as if they do. In their frustration, some talk=20=20 show critics accuse hosts of fabricating facts. Wrong. Hosts do=20=20 gather evidence, but in a way that modifies the old Joe Friday maxim:=20=20 =EF=BF=BDJust the facts that I can use to make my case, ma=EF=BF=BDam.=EF= =BF=BD Hint: The more talk show hosts squawk about something =EF=BF=BD the louder = =20 their voice, the greater their emotion, the more effusive their=20=20 arguments =EF=BF=BD the more they=EF=BF=BDre worried about the issue. For e= xample,=20=20 talk show hosts eagerly participated in the 2004 Swift Boating of=20=20 John Kerry because they really feared he was going to win. This is a=20=20 common talk show tactic: If you lack compelling arguments in favor of=20=20 your candidate or point of view, attack the other side. These attacks=20=20 often rely on two key rhetorical devices, which I call You Know What=20=20 Would Happen If and The Preemptive Strike. Using the first strategy, a host will describe something a liberal=20=20 has said or done that conservatives disagree with, but for which the=20=20 liberal has not been widely criticized, and then say, =EF=BF=BDYou know wha= t=20=20 would happen if a conservative had said (or done) that? He (or she)=20=20 would have been filleted by the =EF=BF=BDliberal media.=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD = This is=20=20 particularly effective because it=EF=BF=BDs a two-fer, simultaneously=20=20 reinforcing the notion that conservatives are victims and that=20=20 =EF=BF=BDliberals=EF=BF=BD are the enemy. The second strategy, The Preemptive Strike, is used when a host knows=20=20 that news reflecting poorly on conservative dogma is about to break=20=20 or become more widespread. When news of the alleged massacre at=20=20 Haditha first trickled out in the summer of 2006, not even Iraq War=20=20 chest-thumper Charlie Sykes would defend the U.S. Marines accused of=20=20 killing innocent civilians in the Iraqi village. So he spent lots of=20=20 air time criticizing how the =EF=BF=BDmainstream media=EF=BF=BD was sure to= =20=20 sensationalize the story in the coming weeks. Charlie would kill the=20=20 messengers before any message had even been delivered. Good talk show hosts can get their listeners so lathered up that they=20=20 truly can change public policy. They can inspire like-minded folks to=20=20 flood the phone lines and e-mail inboxes of aldermen, county=20=20 supervisors, legislators and federal lawmakers. They can inspire=20=20 their followers to vote for candidates the hosts prefer. How? By=20=20 pounding away on an issue or candidate, hour after hour, day after=20=20 day. Hosts will extol the virtues of the favored candidate or, more=20=20 likely, exploit whatever Achilles heel the other candidate might=20=20 have. Influencing elections is more likely to occur at the local=20=20 rather than national level, but that still gives talk radio power. By the way, here=EF=BF=BDs a way to prognosticate elections just by listeni= ng=20=20 to talk shows: Except in presidential elections, when they will=20=20 always carry water for the Republican nominee, conservative hosts=20=20 won=EF=BF=BDt hurt their credibility by backing candidates they think can= =EF=BF=BDt=20=20 win. So if they=EF=BF=BDre uncharacteristically tepid, or even silent, abou= t=20=20 a particular race, that means the Democrat has a good chance of=20=20 winning. Nor will hosts spend their credibility on an issue where=20=20 they know they disagree with listeners. Charlie, for example, told me=20=20 just before I left TMJ that Wisconsin=EF=BF=BDs 2006 anti-gay marriage=20=20 amendment was misguided. But he knew his followers would likely vote=20=20 for it in droves. So he declined to speak out directly against it. This brings us to perhaps the most ironic thing about most talk show=20=20 hosts. Though they may savage politicians and others they oppose,=20=20 they fear criticism or critiques of any kind. They can dish it out,=20=20 but they can=EF=BF=BDt take it. One day during a very bad snowstorm, I walked into the studio during=20=20 a commercial break and suggested to Charlie that he start talking=20=20 about it rather than whatever conservative topic he=EF=BF=BDd been=20=20 discussing. Charlie assumed, as he usually did in such situations,=20=20 that I was being critical of his topic. In reaction, he unplugged his=20=20 head phones, stood up and told me that I might as well take over the=20=20 show because he wasn=EF=BF=BDt going to change his topic. I was able to = =20 quickly strike a bargain before the end of the break. He agreed to=20=20 take a few calls about the storm, but if it didn=EF=BF=BDt a strike a nerve= =20=20 with callers, he could return to his original topic. The snowstorm was the topic of the rest of his show that day. And=20=20 afterward, Charlie came to my office and admitted I=EF=BF=BDd been right. B= ut=20=20 we would go through scenarios such as this many times through the years. Another tense moment arose when the Harley-Davidson 100th anniversary=20=20 was captivating the community =EF=BF=BD and our on-air coverage =EF=BF=BD i= n 2003,=20=20 but Charlie wanted to talk about school choice for seemingly the=20=20 100,000th time. He literally threw a fit, off the air and on,=20=20 belittling other hosts, the news department and station management=20=20 for devoting resources to Harley=EF=BF=BDs 100th coverage. =EF=BF=BDThe Gre= en House=EF=BF=BD=20=20 newsman Phil Cianciola countered that afternoon with a joke about=20=20 Charlie riding a Harley wearing loafers. Charlie complained to=20=20 management about Phil and wouldn=EF=BF=BDt speak civilly about him in my = =20 presence again. Hosts are most dangerous when someone they=EF=BF=BDve targeted for criticis= m=20=20 tries to return the fire. It is foolish to enter into a dispute with=20=20 someone who has a 50,000-watt radio transmitter at his or her=20=20 disposal and feels cornered. Oh, and calling a host names =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF= =BDright-=20 winger,=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDfascist,=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDradio squawker,=EF=BF= =BD etc. =EF=BF=BD merely plays into his or=20=20 her hands. This allows a host like Sykes to portray himself as a=20=20 victim of the =EF=BF=BDleft-wing spin machine,=EF=BF=BD and will leave his = listeners,=20=20 who also feel victimized, dying to support him. In essence, the host=20=20 will mount a Hillary Rodham Clinton =EF=BF=BDvast right-wing conspiracy=EF= =BF=BD=20=20 attack in reverse. A conservative emulating Hillary? Yep. A great talk show host is like=20=20 a great college debater, capable of arguing either side of any issue=20=20 in a logical, thorough and convincing manner. This skill ensures=20=20 their continuing success regardless of which political party is in=20=20 power. For example: =EF=BF=BD In the talk show world, the line-item veto was the most effective= =20=20 way to control government spending when Ronald Reagan was president;=20=20 it was a violation of the separation of powers after President=20=20 Clinton took office. =EF=BF=BD Perjury was a heinous crime when Clinton was accused of lying und= er=20=20 oath about his extramarital activities. But when Scooter Libby, Vice=20=20 President Dick Cheney=EF=BF=BDs top aide, was charged with lying under oath= ,=20=20 it was the prosecutor who had committed an egregious act by charging=20=20 Libby with perjury. =EF=BF=BD "Activist judges" are the scourge of the earth when they rule it = is=20=20 unconstitutional to deny same-sex couples the rights heterosexuals=20=20 receive. But judicial activism is needed to stop the husband of a=20=20 woman in a persistent vegetative state =EF=BF=BD say Terri Schiavo =EF=BF= =BD from=20=20 removing her feeding tube to end her suffering. To amuse myself while listening to a talk show, I would ask myself=20=20 what the host would say if the situation were reversed. What if=20=20 alleged D.C. Madam client Sen. David Vitter had been a Democrat?=20=20 Would the reaction of talk show hosts have been so quiet you could=20=20 hear crickets chirping? Hardly. Or what if former Rep. Mark Foley had been a Democrat? Would his=20=20 pedophile-like tendencies have been excused as a =EF=BF=BDprank=EF=BF=BD or= mere=20=20 =EF=BF=BDoverfriendly e-mails?=EF=BF=BD Not on the life of your teenage son= . Suppose Al Gore was president and ordered an invasion of Iraq without=20=20 an exit strategy. Suppose this had led to the deaths of more than=20=20 4,000 U.S. troops and actually made that part of the world less=20=20 stable. Would talk show hosts have dismissed criticism of that war as=20=20 unpatriotic? No chance. Or imagine that John Kerry had been president during Hurricane=20=20 Katrina and that his administration=EF=BF=BDs rescue and rebuilding effort = =20 had been horribly botched. Would talk show hosts have branded him a=20=20 great president? Of course not. It was Katrina, finally, that made me truly see the light. Until=20=20 then, 10 years into my time at TMJ, while I might have disagreed with=20=20 some stands the hosts took, I did think there were grounds for their=20=20 constant criticism of the media. I had convinced myself that the=20=20 national media had an intrinsic bias that was, at the very least,=20=20 geographical if not ideological, to which talk radio could provide an=20=20 alternative. Then along came the worst natural disaster in U.S. history.=20=20 Journalists risked their lives to save others as the storm hit the=20=20 Gulf Coast. Afterward, journalists endured the stench and the filth=20=20 to chronicle the events for a stunned world. Then they documented the=20=20 monumental government incompetence for an outraged nation. These=20=20 journalists became voices for the voiceless victims, pressing=20=20 government officials to get help to those who needed it. Yet, while New Orleans residents were still screaming for help from=20=20 the rooftops of their flooded homes, journalists were targeted by=20=20 talk show hosts, Charlie and Wagner among them. Not the government,=20=20 but journalists. Stories detailing the federal government=EF=BF=BDs obvious= =20=20 slowness and inefficiency were part of an =EF=BF=BDangry left=EF=BF=BD cons= piracy,=20=20 they said. Talk show hosts who used e-mailed talking points from the=20=20 conservative spin machine proclaimed the Katrina stories were part of=20=20 a liberal =EF=BF=BDmedia template.=EF=BF=BD The irony would have been laugh= able if=20=20 the story wasn=EF=BF=BDt so serious. I went to Charlie and Jeff and told them my concerns. They waved me=20=20 off. I went to Program Director Rick Belcher and told him I thought=20=20 Charlie and Jeff had things terribly wrong. He disagreed. I was=20=20 distraught. I felt I was actively participating in something so=20=20 inconsistent with reality that even most conservative talk radio=20=20 devotees would see this. But in a way, it was merely a more obvious=20=20 example of how talk radio portrayed reality selectively. I was a dedicated program manager. I helped the hosts at my station=20=20 do show prep by finding stories I knew would pique their interest and=20=20 fire up their constituencies. I met with Charlie Sykes daily, about a=20=20 half-hour before show time, to help him talk through topics before=20=20 going on the air. Charlie is one of the smartest people I know, but=20=20 he performs at his best with that kind of preparation. I often defended Jeff Wagner from upset moderates and liberals in the=20=20 community. Jeff=EF=BF=BDs a very good talk show host whose brilliance is = =20 overshadowed only by his stubbornness. I helped our program directors try to find the right role for Mark=20=20 Reardon, who, in my opinion, was always miscast (he wasn=EF=BF=BDt as right= -=20 wing as Sykes or Wagner and his job was switched several times).=20=20 Ultimately, that miscasting helped his career, because WTMJ laid him=20=20 off, after which he became a talk show star in St. Louis, a much=20=20 larger market. I worked with news and sports hosts, too =EF=BF=BD Robb Edwards, Jon Belmon= t,=20=20 Ken Herrera, Jonathan Green, Len Kasper, Bill Michaels =EF=BF=BD to help th= em=20=20 craft ways to sound human and =EF=BF=BDreal=EF=BF=BD behind the microphone = without=20=20 violating the separation of church and state that existed between the=20=20 station=EF=BF=BDs talk and news programming. Sometimes I succeeded. Sometim= es=20=20 I didn=EF=BF=BDt. And we were successful, consistently ranking No. 1 among persons 12=20=20 and older and in the top five in the advertiser-coveted 25 to 54=20=20 demo. Yet I was often angrily asked, once by then-Mayor John=20=20 Norquist, why we just didn=EF=BF=BDt change our call letters to =EF=BF=BDWG= OP.=EF=BF=BD The=20=20 complaints were just another sign of our impact. I left WTMJ with some regret, attracted by an offer to work in the=20=20 cutting edge field of digital media at one of the nation=EF=BF=BDs largest = =20 news and entertainment conglomerates. By then, I had worked more than=20=20 26 years in radio news and more than 23 as a news director. In the=20=20 constant push for ratings, I had seen and helped foster the=20=20 transformation of AM radio and the rise of conservative hosts. They=20=20 have a power that is unlikely to decline. Their rise was also helped by liberals whose ideology, after all,=20=20 emphasizes tolerance. Their friendly toleration of talk radio merely=20=20 gave the hosts more credibility. Yet an attitude of intolerance was=20=20 probably worse: It made the liberals look hypocritical, giving=20=20 ammunition to talk show hosts who used it with great skill. But the key reason talk radio succeeds is because its hosts can=20=20 exploit the fears and perceived victimization of a large swath of=20=20 conservative-leaning listeners. And they feel victimized because many=20=20 liberals and moderates have ignored or trivialized their concerns and=20=20 have stereotyped these Americans as uncaring curmudgeons. Because of that, there will always be listeners who believe that=20=20 Charlie Sykes, Jeff Wagner and their compatriots are the only members=20=20 of the media who truly care about them. AlterNet is making this material available in accordance with Title=20=20 17 U.S.C. Section 107: This article is distributed without profit to=20=20 those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included=20=20 information for research and educational purposes. Dan Shelley now works as a digital media executive in New York City. http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/107326/=20 former_news_radio_staffer_spills_the_beans_on_how_shock_jocks_inspire_ha=20 tred_and_anger/?page=3Dentire [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Nov 18 09:33:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21593 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 17:33:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 17:33:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.233) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 17:33:18 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W22 ([64.4.19.122]) by bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:33:18 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:33:19 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2008 17:33:18.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEE84600:01C949A3] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} IF wide filters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=bWMUNXs-h5RiE30N1npUA9ZpUnkJuAUdrFRpMkNy-ostNRayb88V X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, What model Heathkit was that? MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: mjgrant@aol.comDate: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:35:51 -0500Subject: Re: {AMSF} IF wide filters In my 1950s era Heathkit "Hi Fi" AM tuner, a wide IF bandwidth was achieved by offseting the resonant frequencies of regular IF transformers. For example, instead of peaking the response at 455 khz, the primary was tuned at 450 khz and the secondary was tuned at 460 khz. In this manner, the net response broadened without severely compromising the out of band slopes.I should say this approach does work. The high frequency response of the 50 year old Heathkit is actually better than my state of the AM art Denon TU-680 NAB.With newer high speed amplifiers, active filters can be built in the AM IF range. That may be a better way to go than conventional IF transformers assuming size and complexity aren't critical issues.MikeMike**************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news &more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Tue Nov 18 10:23:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1234 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 18:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 18:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 18:23:16 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EAD0F478270; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:23:15 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:23:15 -0500 X-Received: from [71.185.10.218] by ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:23:15 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20081118182315.EAD0F478270@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=fv15ANlsplsnf9I1OXoMJrctEP-5qQ0wybYVZOtrf-WwdsY0h3Wi X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And they tell us porn is harmless. Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:27:15 +0000 (GMT) Well you're the one who told about this far fetched story. Why not make it more entertaining in the process? --- On Sun, 11/16/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 11:24 AM > If he were he wouldn't need to fabricate some story about a guy > masturbating to a playboy being the cause of Three Mile Island. The dude was reading a Playboy when the first alarms went off. He shut them off because they made no sense. Went to read the Playboy again and then about 200 alarms went off in the next two minutes. A supervisor turned on the standby coolant pumps just in case everything with the 200 alarms was correct. This move was the one that prevented a meltdown. The starting of the standby pumps was not per procedure and that guy needed a medal or something for doing that. This was in the post mortem report sent to all the Naval Reactor operators. And again, no one was masturbating to a Playboy. You just have to get ignorant and say something stupid and over the top. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 10:43:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62641 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 18:43:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 18:43:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 18:43:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73569 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2008 18:43:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VQ7WSzsVM1lyK4QC_pox.BtiKojxlmGmJtfk9T.U0F33kENoFsw3z8cGoRt2KFEbzSwF5AVhZBmREZKAI5OAHhFPyi7mlG.2aPP_0sdQ6bJGJB0MjnzxKNhcyEbJXfi7wOTyyqR95jCr9mdIwJNE9xs.tHz15pX1lRi0jhe.a_4FrQJK5YlKU8K0iA-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:43:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:43:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <121761.2893.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <149487.71106.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=TJxRnIIW0Bwi05qnhSEHH8w-ZwKZBoFIGqUpwreLGHM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Actually it's NOT likely the big lead acid batteries used for Solar will be= bad in 30 years unless you were very negligent.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 11/18/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > But the point though Powell is that they are actually very > efficient now.=A0 Whats wrong if they go bad in 30 years?=A0 > That is a pretty good lifetime and think of the money > you'd save.=A0It would pay for itself and keep itself > maintained by that savings as well. > From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 18 11:15:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22834 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 19:15:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 19:15:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 19:15:28 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c80.3e88f1f0 (42809) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:15:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:15:21 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10516 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IF wide filters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CRvNWmjoEYLDFfmxEvjLMEWAT_poqBZSIH-ne26r_tj8vihIKQpk-PwVOoQFp1c1 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/18/2008 11:34:13 AM Central Standard Time, mtgc@hotmail.com writes: > Mike, > > What model Heathkit was that? > > MTGC (Michael) > It's an AJ-21. There is a demo of this very tuner on YouTube except mine has the brown case. The video has to be during the WABC equivalent of the Big 89 rewind as WABC hasn't had a Top 40 format since before there was a YouTube and Al Gore invented the Internet. Just search Heathkit AJ-21. I have temporarily modified mine for my AM Stereo decoder development. Think of the how Dr. Brown got the DeLorean going in 1955. I didn't want to dig into the Denon or risk damaging unavailable ICs. The Heathkit is much less complex and much more serviceable. I modified the detector / output follower to provide a cathode follower buffered 455 khz signal from the final IF to drive the decoder circuit. While alittle too "hot" for the Motorola chip, it operates my synchronous detector alright. Mike ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 18 11:19:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14324 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2008 19:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2008 19:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 19:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.ceb.496fe5e5 (42809) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:19:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:19:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10516 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IF wide filters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vSFnw79y8L90lihFcLxW2n_zt6QC4u8qHkNadIjZ39h7pVhtIC30cMOZqcQpI4OE X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/18/2008 11:34:13 AM Central Standard Time, mtgc@hotmail.com writes: > Mike, > > What model Heathkit was that? > Hope this helps. http://www.heathkit-museum.com/hifi/hvmaj-21.shtml ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k30sm8913881qba.4.2008.11.18.15.32.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:32:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5B111896-A52D-41FA-9809-41E1F3F33E76@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <260103.32212.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:55:02 -0500 References: <260103.32212.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=fo6_lH5YcmDFC2cI-bGuLroq4jIW8i0j5DOicfpW_kJanJvuWs58Sr441NDloQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 18, 2008, at 3:21 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Sure i'm a liberal. I don't make any bones about that. Take for > instance this gay marriage ban. Why should I care who gets married > as long as they love each other and are committed? Nothing wrong > with being a liberal. Speaking of that issue I mentioned I have > actually know gay people who were republicans though. That doesnt > make any sense though when republicans are against them. I can't > make any sense of that. Anyway yeah I'm a liberal on most issues. > I never said I wasn't. You may find we have more in common than you think! I am a Libertarian. I don't know, and I DON'T WANNA KNOW what goes on in another person's bedroom. If Gays wanna marry each other, I don't care. It makes no difference to me what religion you are, or your Race, Religion, Sexual preferences, or who or WHAT you marry. What I do resent is What I do resent is talking MY hard earned money by force and giving it to others, AKA Taxation, Limiting my RIGHTS of Free Speech, Gun Ownership, and general right to do as I wish so long as I don't harm another. I also think anybody has the right to do on their property what they want, so long as they don't harm me or my property. That being said, Nuclear Power Plants have such a potential to cause such widespread death and destruction if they do fail, they should not be built. They are also the most expensive method to generate electricity that is used on a wide-spread scale. The way to solve the energy problem is to issue Tax Rebates and Tax Credits to companies that produce equipment, and consumers that buy equipment to produce "GREEN" Electricity, such as Wind, Solar, and Small Scale Hydro. Yes, I do practice what I preach. I have lived Off-Grid with Solar as my primary energy source since 1988! Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 19:03:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91478 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 03:03:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2008 03:03:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.237) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 03:03:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n25.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2008 03:03:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2008 03:03:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:03:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.237 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.84 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IF wide filters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=KYj5jLPacc09E5U8L8sQKvetmCXaK7AyiG5IxHmfOehHdwLQBw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In my 1950s era Heathkit "Hi Fi" AM tuner, a wide IF bandwidth was=20 achieved=20 > by offseting the resonant frequencies of regular IF transformers.=20=20 For example,=20 > instead of peaking the response at 455 khz, the primary was tuned=20 at 450 khz=20 > and the secondary was tuned at 460 khz. In this manner, the net=20 response=20 > broadened without severely compromising the out of band slopes. >=20 > I should say this approach does work. The high frequency response=20 of the 50=20 > year old Heathkit is actually better than my state of the AM art=20 Denon TU-680=20 > NAB. >=20 > With newer high speed amplifiers, active filters can be built in=20 the AM IF=20 > range. That may be a better way to go than conventional IF=20 transformers=20 > assuming size and complexity aren't critical issues. >=20 > Mike >=20 Did you have the Heathkit AJ-30 Model? Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 19:04:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59378 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 03:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2008 03:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 03:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2008 03:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2008 03:04:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:04:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.84 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: IF wide filters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BT5KPkr7G1mD7BA0ToG1E1Pr9XqQnkQusIo75qpeSz7PPWS7ug X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi Juan=20 > Wider than ??? What you have now, and how wide you want to be the=20 new=20 > filter (I guess you're talking about the ceramic IF filter)?=20 >=20 >=20=20 I wanted to say with, at least, 8 KHZ audio bandwidth. Some idea? Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 18 19:09:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55499 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 03:09:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2008 03:09:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 03:09:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94445 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2008 03:09:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 69A3V6YVM1kN6DgEiBjUnS_53ExM6X21hjQP9EUVeoSqNTCnHM25JibUC5a.hR_0Uyy3BgiBphC6tWRGjoG8_XQPgFoRJ_FkChWxHBXgCrUsNsu6MmdhpQADLCusufpKyLyAo.2CMJD_aJ1xn4oTMtVrHUEJldmlBCP2700uMaqLkmY- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:09:44 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:09:44 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5B111896-A52D-41FA-9809-41E1F3F33E76@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <455984.93400.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=6yuUpQpEu_jOIHsqfYbWX0ZnFNKSAPnIBaX93-ROtYMvapT30fJ_ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh now I agree with what you said though.=A0 I dont support banning guns or= limiting free speech but some issues like gay marriage and a few others, I= dont have a problem with it.=A0 You know and I know that the country is an= d will lean more that way as time goes on.=A0 We both know we are winning t= he fight against the republican machine.=A0 Their major problem is they do = not listen to the american public.=A0 They think they know what the america= n public wants and it's clear that they do not.=A0 That is why they lost an= d will continue to lose.=A0 The country is growing up and shedding all thos= e republican fears.=A0 Yes they are the ones with fears.=A0 They feared a b= lack man ever being in the white house, they dont like it period.=A0 They j= ust can't say what they really think!=A0 I think they should exercise their= freedom of speech and say what they really think concerning that instead o= f being whiney.=A0 Perhaps then their true hateful colors will show.=A0 The= y hate blacks, they hate gays.=A0 Pretty much what they like is if you are rich a= nd white.=A0 That is their idea of an ideal america.=A0 I know this is true= , Ive heard several that I know when away from those types of people bitch = about it and say what they really think.=A0 This is how they think.=A0 They= aren't the least bit progressive and want to set us back 40 years ago with= civil rights.=A0 Truth be known they'd probably love to erradicate the wor= ld of gay people.=A0 Republicans scare me period.=A0 They remind me of Hitl= ers Germany! =A0 --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 3:55 PM On Nov 18, 2008, at 3:21 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Sure i'm a liberal. I don't make any bones about that. Take for=20 > instance this gay marriage ban. Why should I care who gets married=20 > as long as they love each other and are committed? Nothing wrong=20 > with being a liberal. Speaking of that issue I mentioned I have=20 > actually know gay people who were republicans though. That doesnt=20 > make any sense though when republicans are against them. I can't=20 > make any sense of that. Anyway yeah I'm a liberal on most issues.=20 > I never said I wasn't. You may find we have more in common than you think! I am a=20 Libertarian. I don't know, and I DON'T WANNA KNOW what goes on in=20 another person's bedroom. If Gays wanna marry each other, I don't=20 care. It makes no difference to me what religion you are, or your=20 Race, Religion, Sexual preferences, or who or WHAT you marry. What I do resent is What I do resent is talking MY hard earned money=20 by force and giving it to others, AKA Taxation, Limiting my RIGHTS of=20 Free Speech, Gun Ownership, and general right to do as I wish so long=20 as I don't harm another. I also think anybody has the right to do on their property what they=20 want, so long as they don't harm me or my property. That being said,=20 Nuclear Power Plants have such a potential to cause such widespread=20 death and destruction if they do fail, they should not be built. They=20 are also the most expensive method to generate electricity that is=20 used on a wide-spread scale. The way to solve the energy problem is to issue Tax Rebates and Tax=20 Credits to companies that produce equipment, and consumers that buy=20 equipment to produce "GREEN" Electricity, such as Wind, Solar, and=20 Small Scale Hydro. Yes, I do practice what I preach. I have lived Off-Grid with Solar as=20 my primary energy source since 1988! Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 18 19:10:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59557 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 03:10:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2008 03:10:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 03:10:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52242 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2008 03:10:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1nykxiIVM1mww5MkTHPjsKrPPoHuiv6i7jrk1KCdKiCOmyrfJ5wDIjwA X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:10:30 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:10:30 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <637172.49729.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=yUbsUOVtCsBhosjG0Wsc0Swtd7OFm3YFrPasd9gxm3u-0VCjtvQE X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But the point is people do it and it works.=A0 Theres a few here that refus= e to admit solar does work! =A0 =A0 --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Donn Tillman wrote: From: Donn Tillman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now OT: Electricity for America's Future To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 10:49 AM Here is an example of someone who has da townhouse powered completely by so= lar. ( I know they guy; since he used to be a neighbor and he is a public d= efender and very very frugal, so I imagine he probably had the $20,000 to p= ay for this, but of course he got about half of that back, but still $20,00= 0 is a lot of money for most of us. Donn ------------ --------- A Sunshine City first By DIRK SHADD St. Petersburg Times Published May 28, 2007 ST. PETERSBURG Here in the Sunshine City, midway down the coast of the Sunshine State, sun= light is part and parcel of everyday life. But Sunday, the city took an imp= ortant first step when Peter Belmont flipped the switch on the first reside= ntially permitted solar electric system in the city.=20 On top of his townhouse, Belmont has a dozen 3-foot by 5-foot panels that w= ill turn sunlight into electricity - about 2 kilowatts a day. He said the s= ystem cost $20, 000 to install, but he recouped about half of it from gover= nment credits and rebates. For much of the day, his house will actually be = putting power back on the grid.=20 City Councilman Jeff Danner attended the event and discussed ways to make t= he city more solar friendly. ? 2007 ? All Rights Reserved ? St. Petersburg Times 490 First Avenue South ? St. Petersburg, FL 33701 ?=20 727-893-8111 http://www.sptimes. com/2007/ 05/28/news_ pf/Southpinellas /A_Sunshine_ Cit= y_first. shtml [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 18 19:10:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71994 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 03:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2008 03:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 03:10:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89813 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2008 03:10:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0evmdSUVM1kN5LUgzrliOy5Bor_ELv0weyqqj1tsUEGXvffz9JuhW_Rr60c4BGtmLr_jAihktpXJvEvM5EFD4sHcQINkl9kpTILdv7TrwCbqt3mOIdIX33s8E97343l38eUOueT4awcf1dwq_4z8eMohtaAHGejovm3JtZIkt.dOyRs- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:10:48 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:10:48 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081118182315.EAD0F478270@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <19500.87766.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=32CB3BgO1RSEC88lgMoTSJImCV27HyVoGNFQ50zvxi9sv9BQcDDe X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ha! =A0 --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Joseph Rouse wrote: From: Joseph Rouse Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 1:23 PM And they tell us porn is harmless. Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:27:15 +0000 (GMT) Well you're the one who told about this far fetched story. Why not make it more entertaining in the process?=20 --- On Sun, 11/16/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 11:24 AM > If he were he wouldn't need to fabricate some story about a guy > masturbating to a playboy being the cause of Three Mile Island. The dude was reading a Playboy when the first alarms went off. He shut them off because they made no sense. Went to read the Playboy again and then about 200 alarms went off in the next two minutes. A supervisor turned on the standby coolant pumps just in case everything with the 200 alarms was correct. This move was the one that prevented a meltdown. The starting of the standby pumps was not per procedure and that guy needed a medal or something for doing that. This was in the post mortem report sent to all the Naval Reactor operators. And again, no one was masturbating to a Playboy. You just have to get ignorant and say something stupid and over the top. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 18 19:11:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95156 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 03:11:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2008 03:11:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 03:11:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 90179 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2008 03:11:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: puIzkyYVM1mTlXFHPp61Cndd52gpDLjYaqTtmEsBVHb2COtM37pAWEOaXPA8tRSYA8eV_GKXaHMSjBJ8wESU_5i_fsQTFs6gpfMGh9OsAiGoeqmCVLBP3QzPB96dNktOn.kqT4CL8qtO5MHeLXxWmW_TeUqryRQRi794JV96mfhZc54- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:11:41 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:11:41 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <149487.71106.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <89787.90080.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=KWLGZn48i36Cgchfe6RFsxkwdz53pZW5OXBiDpdcff39SgFA-uAS X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable True but the main point in the arguement is that solar can and does work no= matter how many want to deny it. =A0 --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 1:43 PM Actually it's NOT likely the big lead acid batteries used for Solar will be= bad in 30 years unless you were very negligent.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 11/18/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > But the point though Powell is that they are actually very > efficient now.=A0 Whats wrong if they go bad in 30 years?=A0 > That is a pretty good lifetime and think of the money > you'd save.=A0It would pay for itself and keep itself > maintained by that savings as well. > =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 19:18:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51762 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 03:18:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2008 03:18:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 03:18:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2008 03:18:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2008 03:18:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:18:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <637172.49729.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.84 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9mtsTtfMORUccD0G7Nk-MHvpkXRrUVQx3OiLJmFFkOHxcNyORg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke=20 wrote: > > But the point is people do it and it works.=A0 Theres a few here=20 that refuse to admit solar does work! > =A0 > =A0 I wanna believe on it!!! Because I want a pure air, and a pure=20 water, too. But... I need to know if I can feed my 1 KW AM TX with a solar=20 energy cells array (220 VAC - 20 AMPS, because my TX uses 4 4-1000=20 tubes). Can you assure me that I can use the solar energy in this case? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 18 20:46:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53888 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 04:46:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2008 04:46:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 04:46:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d45.34e5b0e4 (39953) for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:46:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:46:13 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10693 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=nqeEdoFwWX0KwbnPo6kOhJ1u1LgMuFItI3yu8V4_TDIbOHcw0y8axWFUNFkGFQmJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, In your case, wind would be a better choice. The amount of storage battery capacity you would need to get through nights and cloudy days would be prohibitive. How's your site for micro-hydro? Mike ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 21:41:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24907 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 05:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2008 05:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.115) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 05:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2008 05:41:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.100] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Nov 2008 05:41:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:41:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.115 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.231 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=yRbkp0-igRc57fk6-v5eMl6dQdnQb5Veh_E8EWIEfzolDMVaMw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > In your case, wind would be a better choice. The amount of=20 storage battery=20 > capacity you would need to get through nights and cloudy days=20 would be=20 > prohibitive. >=20 > How's your site for micro-hydro? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hi Mike!!! I'm not sure if this only my case. In the best way, we could to have=20 a full 100% solid state 1KW TX but... the best performance I know is=20 2,3 KW of power comsuption (at rated level, 100% mod). In other=20 words, we need 24 - 48 VDC with 100 AMPS minimum!!! (IF the TX=20 accepted a DC power input). If we thought use it only in the sunlight hours, and thinking about=20 the dark storm cloudy days (as a typical winter in my place), Can we=20 expect 100 AMPS from a solar cells array? And, no, unfortunately Chile doesn't have "mini" or "micro" hydro=20 generators. We have an stupid National Interconnected System which=20 means, if something fails in Puerto Montt (almost 1,000 kms from=20 me), we have a power cut here too. However, the biggest hydro=20 generators are here, in my region (Maule). 150 kms to the south of=20 my city is the biggest generator we have in all Chile. But, all the=20 National Electric Network "eats" all the power. Chilean things. And=20 specifically in my TX place there isn't a condition to build=20 something like a "micro" hydro generator. I'll ask about a wind installation. Let's see. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Nov 19 12:41:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65303 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2008 20:41:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2008 20:41:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f21.google.com) (209.85.221.21) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2008 20:41:40 -0000 X-Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14so124877qyk.7 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:41:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.150.21 with SMTP id x21mr1635669qad.143.1227127299538; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:41:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.35.11.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.35.11.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm78530ywf.2.2008.11.19.12.41.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:41:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <49A36432-F887-4834-80E5-7D1258DB0C63@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:41:16 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.21 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=iO2ONLLIQMRi-xEJgDcDwterho1Zrb5B2mvMS_3S7_ngrM99lTO5NYwczgOhDw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:18 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > But... I need to know if I can feed my 1 KW AM TX with a solar > energy cells array (220 VAC - 20 AMPS, because my TX uses 4 4-1000 > tubes). > > Can you assure me that I can use the solar energy in this case? You CAN, but you can upgrade to a Modern Solid State transmitter MUCH CHEAPER than buy the stuff to run that old Tube beast! Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Nov 19 16:50:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94806 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2008 00:50:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2008 00:50:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2008 00:50:16 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail21.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.161]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUKPBWALQAMMA for (sender ); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:49:56 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD52QHx76F2bjABW3ZCkhZTs= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail21.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2EC2LNF; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:49:36 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail21.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:49:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:49:12 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081119.164912.15352.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:3283542987 X-MAIL-INFO:155fea1be3bf032e2e9b5acf3ba7335a77fb778e83ef2ecf77f35a13be X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.161|webmail21.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=D-7DOBLXAJ4JAjrln3k2bFWRxpF2XV40E1Sgp_i5Dg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Good grief, yes! The money you save on your power utility bill will more than pay for an upgrade to a modern solid state transmitter. Don -- Possum Hunter wrote: You CAN, but you can upgrade to a Modern Solid State transmitter MUCH=20=20 CHEAPER than buy the stuff to run that old Tube beast! Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:18 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > But... I need to know if I can feed my 1 KW AM TX with a solar > energy cells array (220 VAC - 20 AMPS, because my TX uses 4 4-1000 > tubes). > > Can you assure me that I can use the solar energy in this case? From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Nov 19 17:10:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1106 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2008 01:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2008 01:10:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.31) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2008 01:10:53 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so118196ywj.23 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:10:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.166.10 with SMTP id o10mr911726ane.126.1227143453045; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:10:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.35.11.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.35.11.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d22sm405757and.20.2008.11.19.17.10.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:10:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081119.164912.15352.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:10:46 -0500 References: <20081119.164912.15352.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=v1p5Z_EOiHfvm_SaV3fQTsz10S1V8ZgjDwu_J9jQgjYW2oBFHz_yB4FWWCxo_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 19, 2008, at 7:49 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > The money you save on your power utility bill will more than pay for > an upgrade to a modern solid state transmitter. I LOVE "Radio that glows in the Dark". Face it, those big glowing Fire- Bottles are KEWL to play with on 160 and 80 meters, but to try to make money with them anymore? NO! It just does not make sense to run a Tube Commercial transmitter anymore. Re-Tune it and play with the thing on HF, and go buy a modern transmitter. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 10:51:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3972 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2008 18:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2008 18:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2008 18:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2008 18:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2008 18:51:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:51:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.129.213.47 From: "Sotiris" Subject: DENON TU-680 NAB question! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=1ZC3a_aqxlmSpTaMuGsmNfGN32E2d9yCsFtr16mCGRw X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi all=20 I have just got an almost brand new DENON TU-680 NAB tuner. I've=20 already check it and it works really great... although I have already=20 compare it with my PSB-11 and TX-11A Carver tuners i have here, and=20 Carvers seems to me to have more clear sound at wideband mode higher=20 audio frequency end. First impressions of it are good, mostly for its=20 sensitivity as is at least far more sensitive than all 5 Carver TX- 11A units I've got here!=20 Later tonight I will try to do some AMS DX with a friend who is=20 working a station I have made, from a distance of about 300km=20 northern than Athens. I have only heard him one night with an AIWA=20 pocket AMS radio, while the Carver tuner at home couldn't get it even=20 at noise level...=20 Well... i have to put it at my lab to do some measures, but that is=20 not going to happen right now.=20 The question I have is, does anybody have a schematic or a manual for=20 it? I want to convert it to work at 9KHz EU/Oz step as is at the=20 expected 10KHz US/CAN mode.=20 Anyone that knows how I could do that???=20 =20 Best regards=20 Sotiris From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 11:12:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34662 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2008 19:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2008 19:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n56d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.81) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2008 19:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n56.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2008 19:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2008 19:12:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:12:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20081119.164912.15352.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.45.81 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.128 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=rDCT3KTzQSjzSRnZne9HmxM_XqZgJ7V4BiUIu-fSMDJdipRbeA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury"=20 wrote: > > Good grief, yes! >=20 > The money you save on your power utility bill will more than pay=20 for an > upgrade to a modern solid state transmitter. >=20 > Don >=20 > -- Possum Hunter wrote: >=20 > You CAN, but you can upgrade to a Modern Solid State transmitter=20 MUCH=20=20 > CHEAPER than buy the stuff to run that old Tube beast! >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 Hi, Don and Kevin!!! Yes, it is my plan to the next year: a new TX. Now a 100% solid=20 state TX, and... STEREO!!! (even I know all of you can think I'm=20 crazy). But... I repeat my old question: a typical 100% solid state 1 KW AM=20 TX "eats" 2,3 KW of average electric power by hour!!! (1,9 KW in the=20 best case). Can I get it from a typical today solar cells array? I wonder why the TX makers don't provide a separate way to feed each=20 individual power module separately. If it was the case, we could=20 feed each module with less power energy and the final RF power would=20 remain the same. By the way, according to the last Radio World magazine I have=20 (October 2008), Mexico started with IBOC, officially, in the north=20 border zone, BUT ONLY IN FM. Colombia started too, in the same way,=20 only FM. Nobody talks about AM. ??? Is it AM IBOC oficially dead? LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Nov 20 11:49:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83122 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2008 19:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2008 19:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2008 19:49:19 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so411122yxp.40 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:49:18 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.101.7 with SMTP id y7mr1860347agb.44.1227210558666; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:49:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.32.193.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.32.193.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.32.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1317645aga.13.2008.11.20.11.49.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:49:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <60A2B8AF-9A73-48AA-8093-8384C8273771@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:49:02 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=zJzWl6eSivJI8ZZA-28zXd0IfImr-gPtDKFsaqWIbaYcQnmcctFXEf8sMfWcnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 20, 2008, at 2:12 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > But... I repeat my old question: a typical 100% solid state 1 KW AM > TX "eats" 2,3 KW of average electric power by hour!!! (1,9 KW in the > best case). Can I get it from a typical today solar cells array? You will need a 4KW capacity array for a Daytimer or 8 KW capacity array and 48 KWH battery system for a 24 Hour station. That is assuming 50% loss in your inverter. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Thu Nov 20 12:41:29 2008 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79503 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2008 20:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2008 20:41:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n48d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.174) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2008 20:41:22 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2008 20:40:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2008 20:38:59 -0000 Date: 20 Nov 2008 20:38:57 -0000 Message-ID: <1227213537.3310.62622.w104@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /radios/tu1500.pdf Uploaded by : pdmtr Description : AN AM STEREO TUNER currently available! You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/tu1500.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, pdmtr From w6yn@juno.com Thu Nov 20 17:08:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33807 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 01:08:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 01:08:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 01:08:36 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUNCSJADD9J8S for (sender ); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:08:24 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDx5OisQ+UvWsVfChPJsB7d4= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2GYHHF4; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:08:16 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:08:03 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:08:03 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081120.170803.19371.3@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:4095987847 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=6r16bN0b5eOC0Qpy8kGHNkPS5a5ij7_JSzC2iRzfbg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Barack Obama in June 2008, , stated that he opposes bringing back the Fairn= ess Doctrine, through his Press Secretary Michael Ortiz: =93He considers th= is debate to be a distraction from the conversation we should be having abo= ut opening up the airwaves and modern communications to as many diverse vie= wpoints as possible.=94=20 Obama knows that exhuming the Fairness Doctrine would be a frontal assault = upon the First Amendment that would evoke a Boston Tea Party-like response = from listeners of talk hosts who would be dropped rapidly from many if not = all stations.=20 Obama is way smarter than that. What he has in mind is an indirect and far = more means to accomplish the demise of conservative talk -- America=92s las= t town hall. The analogy is to the proverbial frog in the pot of water. Put= him into boiling water, and out he=92ll hop. Instant Boston Tea Party. Her= e, then, is the Obama plan to slow cook the First Amendment: Charles Benton is Chairman of the Benton Foundation, with offices in Obama= =92s Chicago as well as in Obama=92s Washington. Benton proclaims at his Fo= undation=92s web site, =93[O]ur number one national communications policy p= riority must be the eradication of racial and gender discrimination in medi= a and telecommunications. Our shared goal: seeing the day when all American= s possess the tools to compete in commerce, to contribute to and enjoy the = fruits of democracy, to receive unbiased and uncensored news and informatio= n, to create our culture. =93=20 The Federal Communications Commission has a vague rule called =93localism,= =94 which requires stations to serve the interests of their local communiti= es in order to hold onto their broadcast licenses. Obama, who gets to repla= ce FCC Chairman Kevin Martin right away, needs only three votes from the fi= ve-member FCC to define localism his way. Jim Boulet, Jr., the head of English First in Washington, D.C. has been stu= dying and warning about the morphing of FCC localism: =95 On September 20, 2007, Obama submitted a pro-localism written statement= to an FCC hearing at the Chicago headquarters of Rev. Jess Jackson Sr.=92s= Operation Push. One month later, an insistent Obama sent a public letter t= o Chairman Martin stating, =93The Commission has failed to further the goal= s of diversity in the media and promote localism.=94 =95 The head of Obama=92s transition team is John Podesta, President and CE= O of the Center for American Progress. In 2007, the Center issued a report,= The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio, which concluded there we= re too many conservatives on the radio because of =93the absence of localis= m in American radio markets=94 and urged the FCC to =93[e]nsure greater loc= al accountability over radio licensing. =95 Podesta=92s choice as head of the FCC transition team is Henry Rivera, = a Director and General Counsel of the above-noted Benton Foundation and cha= irman of the Minority Media Telecommunications Council, which has stated: = =93Broadcasters must reach beyond the business sector and look for leaders = [think community organizers] in the civic, religious, and non-profit sector= s that regularly serve the needs of the community, particularly the needs o= f minority groups that are typically poorly served by the broadcasting indu= stry as a whole.=94 =95 Bowing to this pressure even while Bush is still President, the FCC pro= posed on January 24, 2008, the creation of permanent station advisory board= s comprised of local officials and other community leaders, to periodically= advise them of local needs and issues to ensure content diversity on the a= ir. =95 Any station that fails to placate these =93local community leaders=94 w= ould then be subject to license revocation by the FCC with an accelerated l= icense review every two years as opposed to the current eight years. This w= ould allow each station license in America to be attacked twice during just= one Obama term. Question: What organization first used =93localism=94 at the FCC in this fa= shion? Answer: The United Church of Christ, Rev. Jeremiah Wright=92s highly= -politicized denomination. UCC has an entity called the Office of Communica= tion, Inc., which successfully took a broadcast license away from a Souther= n station it felt was not covering the civil rights movement fairly.=20 This, then, is the historical template that Obama, Podesta, and their FCC m= aven Rivera intend to use to do something about the curse of conservative t= alk radio in America: Redefine FCC =93localism=94 to give community activis= ts the right to demand more local, liberal content. If station ownership do= es not comply, then licenses will be revoked and given to minority owners w= ho most probably will go broke. A return to the 1980s era of dark am statio= ns.=20 One of the more clever aspects of this =93localism=94 plan is that, should = a station lose its license to a liberal owner whose content will reflect hi= s/her views, then there will be no Fairness Doctrine around to require equa= l time from aggrieved conservative listeners. Christian radio stations will be saddled with local Muslim =93advisory boar= ds=94 demanding equal time and getting it. The Brave New World awaits. Don From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 17:15:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85649 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 01:15:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 01:15:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 01:15:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 01:15:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.64] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 01:15:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 01:15:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 784555.34814.bm@omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 99771 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 01:15:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.191 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 01:15:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: N8eas04VM1kEGc3JRrSYC5XcczyvvR3v0aBESRaDkzgSG1M_zv7agXwvanZkQO7VyyEh4WXvXwyFLtWSJTBG4M8OWHA2ts.eEliprgZ6qccjcszU5bhaxCg5mwJH5XHBoXL3Nze0tzUwQIccq0ojuJEE8JcwHSa.tfQARM58Nv4ezwIPZ.VpbfuJfg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081120.170803.19371.3@webmail18.dca.untd.com> References: <20081120.170803.19371.3@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1A906A18-2A1F-41FC-B471-041E57D81A54@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:15:33 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=5PtKa9tHR8YKeKUZl-lSuogzF3Y0zJwyx07Wl5_8-EItYgcpvA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 21, 2008, at 1:08 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Barack Obama in June 2008, Don, Do you believe this stuff or are you just stupid if you believe it? I hope you are not stupid and don't believe this. Where did you get it, attribution would be nice. How about a URL? Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Nov 20 17:34:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92244 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 01:34:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 01:34:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 01:34:24 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.161] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081120193419002371100010.0) with SMTP id <20081120193419002371100010> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:34:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <015b01c94b79$95e66480$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <490122.32046.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:34:19 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Jobs in Jeopardy Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Bhn8bKk5Cq_oKypBH2SnlRusQJXqbB2SH4XoGybNvCs6gu_7ZBpH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only when done in a vacuum. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:45 PM And Scotch tape emits X-Rays when its pulled off the roll. Craziest thing I've heard but it was in the news a few weeks ago. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Nov 20 17:36:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18109 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 01:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 01:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 01:36:45 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.161] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081120193634002650400010.0) with SMTP id <20081120193634002650400010> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:36:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <016701c94b79$e64e7fc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20081113.145648.10312.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <8CB14A3DA2544D7-1A0-12EF@WEBMAIL-MY11.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:36:34 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=feljFOrSJiQo1pFZf8YTRNgshCb9fwVrtZJB0DhBzqGtyJXkg-0i X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sarah Palin NEVER made that screw-up. It was actually fabricated by a guy running a site of someone who claimed to be a former McCain campaign staffer. Disagree if you will, but don't hate someone for something they never said. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com (yes, Sarah, Africa is a continent not a country) --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Nov 20 17:51:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19740 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 01:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 01:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 01:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.161] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081120195050001192800010.0) with SMTP id <20081120195050001192800010> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:50:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <017f01c94b7b$e454e7c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:50:50 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} How American Right Wing Radio Works X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GpmsvobPDdv6Ujk_nZnFk2GHz6kJsoPbnTsvz4lqZweF_Oa58wB- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Back in the first year of W's Presidency when the media were making all sorts of fun over his twin daughters Michael Savage was angrily wondering why Bush didn't have the FCC do something to stop it. I called in and told him the FCC is answerable to Congress, not the President. Had the FCC done so, the Congress could take away their funding leaving them powerless to enforce their rules. I got yelled at, so I know there's at least a grain of truth in this article. Still, there IS a BIG double standard for the things a Democrat can get away with vs. a Republican. As far as bias in reporting, even the Washington Post admitted the bulk of the main stream media was in the tank for Obama. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 17:59:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59395 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 01:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 01:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 01:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 01:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 01:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 01:59:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 870040.65399.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 69019 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 01:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.191 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 01:59:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IVEw.OcVM1nQUVNLCGIAgr95pkxyZJpWElQIBuGwdeXhFppjLpYhMmqEOjghBP515DyQJqd2pU6IleqwnlyMaFAPhFjgV1ld1GWNUfwpwvZZtRRWA2T0p_Qg0YzTwyTc9BFvSQPTRlrqMWZe_xnWNoKSsaUvCCOOX_B6nA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <017f01c94b7b$e454e7c0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <017f01c94b7b$e454e7c0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <91F8A06A-14C6-4D0D-9520-8DADA0BFCE84@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:59:49 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} How American Right Wing Radio Works X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=xaYhRXXCTxUWixfEoDjemica0SlmDOK_h9KVpIJxa4V6s9gL6g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Had the FCC done > so, the Congress could take away their funding leaving them > powerless to > enforce their rules. I got yelled at, so I know there's at least a > grain of > truth in this article. Forget the rest of the stuff you said that I don't agree with... This part I do agree with. The FCC has been raped for so long that they have become nothing more than a vestigial part of the Commerce Dept. They have no engineers at the top. They have lawyers that don't know jack shit running things. The FCC has no money for enforcement. They cant' enforce standards and barely can keep up with and issue frequencies they have been screwed so badly on funding. I would love the FCC to have some power again and enforce rules and laws. If nothing else, the money would help a tiny bit on helping out the amount of money in the Treasury. I know some stations that need to have their asses kicked up between their shoulder blades to wake them up. The toothless FCC can't do crap because they don't have money. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Thu Nov 20 18:00:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78656 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 02:00:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 02:00:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 02:00:52 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUNFR7AHJRKV2 for (sender ); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:59:25 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD/Ltowm/y9fVMjeqpHhMXtw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2G3ECSK; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:58:58 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:58:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:58:52 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081120.175852.5632.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:3543276468 X-MAIL-INFO:3794eddd946d6dd1d4eddd8940301990b1d02d4100b175c0b0b0f0a4b451655150a9c9992d9d2d6dd48031654d4d444d3d09290989115d5d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=K3WBQs1D0LbPoD2QOz0ODAOwuHE2kpHW5CBPRQdggg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn http://www.broadcastingcable.com/CA6573406.html Your disparaging remarks are still juvenile and not worthy of any further c= onsideration. -- kevin redding wrote: Don, Do you believe this stuff or are you just stupid if you believe it? I hope you are not stupid and don't believe this. Where did you get it, attribution would be nice. How about a URL? Kevin On Nov 21, 2008, at 1:08 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Barack Obama in June 2008, =20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Nov 20 18:02:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99120 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 02:02:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 02:02:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 02:02:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.161] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081120200219002522900010.0) with SMTP id <20081120200219002522900010> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:02:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <021801c94b7d$7f6524e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <89787.90080.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:02:19 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bV45611wMNqtCXY8suL5B5l-GL1muHk0k81_YLx26oFJtxWdgEy5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unless you live in Seattle where it's cloudy most of the time. Solar does work, but not everywhere. FWIW- I would install solar if I had the bucks to do it, though I'd only be able to use it for lighting especially during the winter. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com True but the main point in the arguement is that solar can and does work no matter how many want to deny it. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 18:04:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24308 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 02:04:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 02:04:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 02:04:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 02:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 02:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 02:04:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 762827.99274.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 36797 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 02:04:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) 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Kevin On Nov 21, 2008, at 1:58 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > http://www.broadcastingcable.com/CA6573406.html > > Your disparaging remarks are still juvenile and not worthy of any > further consideration. 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(big_h00pla@75.120.203.191 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 02:07:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ..oJ4MIVM1nGto5qLjY0x.Gel7CtqaIivra7QqdBKN0Gk4v_AMbldBXePRLpvtb0_9P8kWjHgcL6gZRP0JouaIaaAgvLCUtqfTo0iSkWXC3wSV5vqoNulrahPYH7RgppvyzYIgSW_O9w4Jd52KtouhWZihpZQ9d3llKJwVKV2M03gkBXfcEnYVIWdA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081120.175852.5632.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> References: <20081120.175852.5632.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:07:01 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=tH7mdLqL0n43LPEC6hI1Q9l2Y1FGPdcwmtasu6Ypnj3m4Qji5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla To make this even worse. This story was from June of this year. A lifetime ago. Kevin On Nov 21, 2008, at 1:58 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > http://www.broadcastingcable.com/CA6573406.html From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Nov 20 18:11:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54646 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 02:11:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 02:11:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 02:11:58 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.161] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081120201135000401500010.0) with SMTP id <20081120201135000401500010> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:11:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <026701c94b7e$ca8a6600$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20081120.170803.19371.3@webmail18.dca.untd.com> <1A906A18-2A1F-41FC-B471-041E57D81A54@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:11:35 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=vezQNrqRNcIs3wzS3IlxhNWpY08zyvhtY5nc85UyBu6luE8fKVAB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There was an article in The American Thinker suggesting just this scenario. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kevin redding=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy On Nov 21, 2008, at 1:08 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Barack Obama in June 2008, Don, Do you believe this stuff or are you just stupid if you believe it? I hope you are not stupid and don't believe this. Where did you get it, attribution would be nice. How about a URL? Kevin =20=20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Nov 20 18:13:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68691 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 02:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 02:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 02:13:51 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.161] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081120201337000646700010.0) with SMTP id <20081120201337000646700010> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:13:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <027701c94b7f$13409860$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <455984.93400.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:13:37 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=2aJinTWCp1xwjsiJvCULufRVsd3g5YCFAoVxaIHmdhk56NDcF3GF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright- I'll tell you just what I think: TO HELL WITH YOUR BOGUS CHARGES OF BIGOTRY!!! I'd have voted to put a black guy in the White House in a New York minute, but neither Michael Steele nor Ken Blackwell were running. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com They feared a black man ever being in the white house, they dont like it period. They just can't say what they really think! I think they should exercise their freedom of speech and say what they really think concerning that instead of being whiney. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 18:19:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5233 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 02:19:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 02:19:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.104) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 02:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 02:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.247] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 02:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 02:19:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 593903.78943.bm@omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 56700 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 02:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.191 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 02:19:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fz3OcyoVM1kAa3VO57k.N3ZNs_o7ua2Ir6cf3PAP_.mj9463_H9tFrn02W_.RnUQQU0wC3MlwFQbasUMDJV8_cV6GyYElUtj1Nf8r33paCSwknfIR9V4Gph48.RW3ZPN5XuSr8HWf1nHSrtuP3SOWleEUB1_YX.ooNwjlN2NmyS9fY17TEcVDGQRAA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <026701c94b7e$ca8a6600$d503fea9@stodd> References: <20081120.170803.19371.3@webmail18.dca.untd.com> <1A906A18-2A1F-41FC-B471-041E57D81A54@yahoo.com> <026701c94b7e$ca8a6600$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <25F14763-83B6-458F-8D15-72D609C8F191@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:19:46 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.104 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=2vi_fUHR-lsEiMRwt4_4eSz9UV4wBpK8qDGKi3ycmRIeOIe9aw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 20, 2008, at 8:11 PM, wrote: > There was an article in The American Thinker suggesting just this > scenario. Obama will not bring the Fairness Doctrine back. That is what this very old story says and I believe it is still correct. I don't think dingbats like Limbaugh [Racist, sexist, drug addict], Hannity [stupid], O'Reilly [sexual deviant - Andrea Mackris], or Michael Weiner/Savage [drug addled] are going anywhere. Now to localism. Surely you and Don don't have a problem with the FCC requiring locally originated programming on stations? It would certainly cut down on rimshotters, satellators, and stations that run only national programs. I would love to see more local programming as I believe it to be the only thing that will save radio. Especially AM radio. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 18:25:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39412 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 02:25:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 02:25:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.86.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 02:25:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n9.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 02:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 02:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 02:25:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 941329.96695.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 49471 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 02:25:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.191 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 02:25:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Hi295KQVM1m3HbC5KzcJ_wfYVWKY_i_zQXX6dBzYOWkpPAWhs2yV8q_tPv3QYsAVCwrYjFPBWSC1ZHY85jEJSqVwvwgjTxfE88.8D1l4ASfjbY.QZAdgFqYaGGR2G7e48BiCihBEkil2IIEL6X3.YdvbuCoZvxC0CCdGMwQFHDBLYW0mCxYxWpUZEQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <027701c94b7f$13409860$d503fea9@stodd> References: <455984.93400.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <027701c94b7f$13409860$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <932DA84F-AE83-42A8-BE2A-1A43F2B64B8B@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:25:54 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.86.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=ijVL8snJVGM_wQWLJRkuEJRqYzRrySJB_RaXJaek0q4kPHd28Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 20, 2008, at 8:13 PM, wrote: > Alright- I'll tell you just what I think: TO HELL WITH YOUR BOGUS > CHARGES OF BIGOTRY!!! I'd have voted to put a black guy in the > White House in a New York minute, but neither Michael Steele nor > Ken Blackwell were running. Sit down Scott, you might faint when I say this. I don't agree with Clemson Boy. I think that if the Republicans got their kind of black to run, they would vote for him. I am willing to say that most Americans are not prejudiced on both sides. What counts to us today is that a person follows a certain philosophy that we agree with no matter what side of the political spectrum we are on. I am not right wing at all but I do enjoy Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams even though I don't always agree with them and they are both black. Many who are Republicans like both of them very much black or not. Many Republicans would have voted for Colin Powell at one time and I heard many Republicans state they wanted Condoleeza Rice to run for President. There are many Republicans here in the south who are definitely bigots but I believe the majority are not bigoted at all because they support blacks who share the same philosophy. Kevin From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Nov 20 18:45:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55216 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 02:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 02:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.83) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 02:45:35 -0000 X-Received: from hotmail.com ([10.6.59.23]) by bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:45:35 -0800 X-Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:45:35 -0800 Message-ID: X-Received: from 209.240.205.116 by BLU108-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:45:30 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:45:29 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2008 02:45:35.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A943440:01C94B83] Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.83 From: "Donn Tillman" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY/Ken Blackwell....... surely you jest! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=9lNBftei03lPGsa7XCJUOubjLcJGFZtSFuKdG-ngTJL1dYzN4kcAV4X5ulI X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken Blackwell doesn't even have the morals and scruples that Katherine Harris had. (and Harris has close to zero in that department; even the Jebster and the Florida republican party eventually turned on her; she was such an embarrassment) For those of you that don't know, Ken Blackwell was Ohio's version of Katherine Harris; Blackwell ensured that the 2004 presidential election would not be played on a level playing field. He did get his comeuppance, when he had the audacity to run for Governor of Ohio and lost big time. To call Blackwell a crook, would be giving crooks a bad name! I know there are black republicans with morals and scruples that could run( Mr. Redding has named two), but Blackwell is not among them. Donn -----Original Message----- From: kevin redding Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:25 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY On Nov 20, 2008, at 8:13 PM, wrote: > Alright- I'll tell you just what I think: TO HELL WITH YOUR BOGUS > CHARGES OF BIGOTRY!!! I'd have voted to put a black guy in the > White House in a New York minute, but neither Michael Steele nor > Ken Blackwell were running. Sit down Scott, you might faint when I say this. I don't agree with Clemson Boy. I think that if the Republicans got their kind of black to run, they would vote for him. I am willing to say that most Americans are not prejudiced on both sides. What counts to us today is that a person follows a certain philosophy that we agree with no matter what side of the political spectrum we are on. I am not right wing at all but I do enjoy Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams even though I don't always agree with them and they are both black. Many who are Republicans like both of them very much black or not. Many Republicans would have voted for Colin Powell at one time and I heard many Republicans state they wanted Condoleeza Rice to run for President. There are many Republicans here in the south who are definitely bigots but I believe the majority are not bigoted at all because they support blacks who share the same philosophy. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Nov 20 20:07:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96941 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 04:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 04:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.143) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 04:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 04:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 04:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2008 04:07:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:07:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <25F14763-83B6-458F-8D15-72D609C8F191@yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.146.5.112 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=RR8mhTUOhqZubO4GDcp9hmv6sOivEXDn6RUoGvnTy6ICrMk X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Kevin, Agreed... The "Fairness Doctrine" is not coming back. Please, those that insist it is, adjust your meds..... And repeat after me........President Obama. If you say it a few=20 times, it get's easier. The "other" Juan Florida --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > On Nov 20, 2008, at 8:11 PM, =20=20 > wrote: >=20 > > There was an article in The American Thinker suggesting just=20 this=20=20 > > scenario. >=20 > Obama will not bring the Fairness Doctrine back. That is what this=20=20 > very old story says and I believe it is still correct. >=20 > I don't think dingbats like Limbaugh [Racist, sexist, drug=20 addict],=20=20 > Hannity [stupid], O'Reilly [sexual deviant - Andrea Mackris], or=20=20 > Michael Weiner/Savage [drug addled] are going anywhere. >=20 > Now to localism. Surely you and Don don't have a problem with the=20 FCC=20=20 > requiring locally originated programming on stations? It would=20=20 > certainly cut down on rimshotters, satellators, and stations that=20 run=20=20 > only national programs. I would love to see more local programming=20 as=20=20 > I believe it to be the only thing that will save radio. Especially=20 AM=20=20 > radio. >=20 > Kevin > From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 20 20:54:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99095 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 04:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 04:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 04:54:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6230 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Nov 2008 04:54:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rCOAbH0VM1mA_eXazJKxO52cg.3oLtKd2ljItpiCTXZY0f_vMKEAJFxTEi3U4XInvDmp60p2Dgmia7g7hIzid8bmP5R7w.IIWkVJukQDallAgHKXJYo6hrCdlLKzbvxqo3awQhjunQmhV_x_RyLuQyz_pcM3I.ji.bSDRALT2jUiOqI- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:54:22 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:54:22 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <027701c94b7f$13409860$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <79967.5985.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Guhgif-YrdIUoDPzFMq3k-NhbJiFhiSjqSyUE9Wuohjg8XLHQ30o X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Boy that makes it evident.=A0 Never more convincing than when you yell. =A0 --- On Thu, 11/20/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 9:13 PM Alright- I'll tell you just what I think: TO HELL WITH YOUR BOGUS CHARGES O= F BIGOTRY!!! I'd have voted to put a black guy in the White House in a New = York minute, but neither Michael Steele nor Ken Blackwell were running. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 They feared a black man ever being in the white house, they dont like it pe= riod. They just can't say what they really think! I think they should exerc= ise their freedom of speech and say what they really think concerning that = instead of being whiney.=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 20 20:58:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24192 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 04:58:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 04:58:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 04:58:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9628 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Nov 2008 04:58:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LEyvQukVM1nj7tbF2qWrQWX7LhKamD321Cna47UpPePCuBah2oFUHYdJHW7KIqJzU6fykSnBPBuEh8qoFbWB0xH2pO1bA93E2Lv1O0VvYPuTxqzQMVbR2s_8PARrfGMQ3IrlAFI5t6i.Y_SZbFWuU4L78i1reyy5CNXfo1jy1KVao8Q- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:58:12 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:58:12 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <015b01c94b79$95e66480$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <101367.8932.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Jobs in Jeopardy Now OT: Electricity for America's Future X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=VFSEVg-zRTgYqBItmHi6UVp-ZN8u-xcMP7XtTvBSm0TqiS4cjteJ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No need to quote, I read it myself weeks before you knew it existed.=A0 Tru= e in a vacuum but oh so interesting. =A0 =A0 --- On Thu, 11/20/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Jobs in Jeopardy Now OT: Electricity for America= 's Future To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 8:34 PM Only when done in a vacuum. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:45 PM And Scotch tape emits X-Rays when its pulled off the roll. Craziest thing I= 've heard but it was in the news a few weeks ago.=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 20 21:09:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58540 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 05:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 05:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 05:09:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76659 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Nov 2008 05:09:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZXnMfZ4VM1lgIML9QXTOA0bxFFIJFVkfo0XfSS5wC3AYcY8Vb27o9_I36uHQdqBCfT49cRousRgd9a186UPuxmLXQyc6wmRGbsr200Ze1738tfdJaZC9nMaXdiIKlQXjePK3f8gyxJPVPiRAtIjrtppozfFV4EUv2u6JObi6oFBv_60- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:09:21 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:09:21 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <016701c94b79$e64e7fc0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <95971.75508.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=dDJhhAjOHjGhMfm0IYzGGzHppMF8T1gvULnWwyLJ9mpZal84lUyH X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sarah Palin didn't know that Africa was a continent and not a country.=A0 S= he also didn't know what the role of the Vice President is.=A0 She made up = her on twist on what that role is.=A0 In addition to those she doesn't real= ly know what she stands for.=A0 First she was for the bridge to nowhere the= n against it.=A0 They wanted to talk about earmarks and she was queen of th= em and had just requested 197 million in earmarks for Alaska.=A0 She also d= idn't seem to realize that the RNC bought her 150 thousand in clothes and c= laims to only have got a coke or a pair of shoes, yeah right!=A0 She was no= t properly vetted period.=A0 If the republican party keeps putting up these= no talent ass clown bafoons then they will be out of buisness for a long t= ime to come.=A0 That party is so out of tune with where this country is.=A0= They are stuck in a vacuum from 20-30 years ago.=A0 We've grown up a lot a= s a country and are more progressive now.=A0 Thank goodness that will conti= nue and we can move forward as a people that is better educated and respects d= iversity.=A0 The Republican party wants to keep us stuck in the dark ages w= here only rich white males run the show.=A0 Sarah Palin, hahaha, and they t= hought she would appeal to women voters. NOT!=A0 That shows you right there= that they are not in tune.=A0 Sarah Palin doesn't stand for womens issues.= =A0 You cannot compare here period to Hillary Clinton.=A0 Big gaffe there r= epubs!=A0 I'm convinced they simply have no clue where we are as a people i= n the US and where we are headed.=A0 Now if they come along and get their a= ct togther and quit living in the dark ages then they might have a good cha= nce but they are going to have to change a LOT! =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Thu, 11/20/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 8:36 PM Sarah Palin NEVER made that screw-up. It was actually fabricated by a guy r= unning a site of someone who claimed to be a former McCain campaign staffer= . Disagree if you will, but don't hate someone for something they never sai= d. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mjgrant@aol. com=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 (yes, Sarah, Africa is a continent not a country)=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Nov 20 21:14:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50974 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 05:14:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 05:14:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 05:14:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91320 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Nov 2008 05:14:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DuHVcKYVM1n_R6wMwZH9vDwzXWfjANB_cT.c.GHw1eEP1yfTky4SyELjMXxfODBMNlDyWg0eHCbESwDYv83fDG5TjvRl6SdWkmS3t2zvHwx6qDDbJ1hdlrzdeN13ZTtCAaq9FKZ7TMKdrsBetDVztNRxVSdeLiVDeCPGB7Zr2Fgg1SE- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:14:49 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:14:49 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <25F14763-83B6-458F-8D15-72D609C8F191@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <804963.91211.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=1bohhwYGB9q6F__0wSAd1km7geZ1aLxOPbszKQ36B4971EWGjvqo X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hahaha you have that right on all those right wing nut jobs.=A0 I like how = Chuck Hagle that republican even picked on old Rush this past week, pricele= ss.=A0 Yeah we all know limbaugh is a useless piece of trash but I swear I = can stomach him sometimes much better than that no talent ass clown Mike Ga= llagher.=A0 He has some sort of Psychosis or something.=A0 That man is mad.= =A0 Michael Weiner, lol well the only reason I used to listen to him some i= s to laugh at him when he'd go all psychotic on someone and flip out live o= n radio.=A0 I swear sometimes you thought he'd have a heart attack live on = air!=A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Thu, 11/20/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 9:19 PM On Nov 20, 2008, at 8:11 PM, =20 wrote: > There was an article in The American Thinker suggesting just this=20 > scenario. Obama will not bring the Fairness Doctrine back. That is what this=20 very old story says and I believe it is still correct. I don't think dingbats like Limbaugh [Racist, sexist, drug addict],=20 Hannity [stupid], O'Reilly [sexual deviant - Andrea Mackris], or=20 Michael Weiner/Savage [drug addled] are going anywhere. Now to localism. Surely you and Don don't have a problem with the FCC=20 requiring locally originated programming on stations? It would=20 certainly cut down on rimshotters, satellators, and stations that run=20 only national programs. I would love to see more local programming as=20 I believe it to be the only thing that will save radio. Especially AM=20 radio. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 21 10:29:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48726 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.16] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081121122853000994000010.0) with SMTP id <20081121122853000994000010> for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:28:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005301c94c07$53177ca0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <79967.5985.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:28:53 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=2DoLlNq56-j_Dn7tBUD3BZtxl-jYUe3U429GpndqYMH6tHAiy1T4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So why are you convinced I didn't vote for BHO because of race? Working in right-wing talk radio I've met a lot of the hosts and they aren't against him because of race, but rather values. BHO believes big government can solve all our problems; I and my fellow "right wingers" believe big government IS the problem. Nothing racial about it. At least Kevin Redding can see the difference, to which I salute him. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY Boy that makes it evident. Never more convincing than when you yell. --- On Thu, 11/20/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 9:13 PM Alright- I'll tell you just what I think: TO HELL WITH YOUR BOGUS CHARGES OF BIGOTRY!!! I'd have voted to put a black guy in the White House in a New York minute, but neither Michael Steele nor Ken Blackwell were running. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com They feared a black man ever being in the white house, they dont like it period. They just can't say what they really think! I think they should exercise their freedom of speech and say what they really think concerning that instead of being whiney. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 21 10:31:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19045 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 18:31:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 18:31:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 18:31:52 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.16] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081121123140001359000010.0) with SMTP id <20081121123140001359000010> for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:31:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006301c94c07$b6c7cfc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <95971.75508.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:31:40 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=H3JBKkvmwcb4gn_GUvw5G6NfhRIi0al5S1h88p9blyN9lFluZ-Ef X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know that for a fact or just because you want to believe it? Tell me when and where she said it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sarah Palin didn't know that Africa was a continent and not a country. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 12:52:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68496 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 20:52:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 20:52:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 20:52:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84770 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Nov 2008 20:52:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kyItrPMVM1mVF1maSJ0JD41Hbsd8nPUH3WSBOF._BbNMfKfrE5fFYOlIXMAq3E2lFOkHsUPSP2o28SDYiqxJpkPFvQrkdIeW8onkIRjdsG1V9UHF0z1C3_72CGwA4aLmgcJZOxRm9XOxbGdbeVy6s82819pXQ3gO9rlHgCaB_ZP69lfvl4aHgEbXyg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:52:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:52:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <021801c94b7d$7f6524e0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <423009.84693.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Solar power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=cJjHHy7rAg9wABhfpaN4OMmks18nZeFAhyerONdAaj8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The newer solar cells would work under cloudy conditions, but just not as much output as full sun. Now, you can plan your system and build it out where it can be expandable. And remember some states will give you money back for doing it. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 11/20/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Unless you live in Seattle where it's cloudy most of the > time. Solar does work, but not everywhere. FWIW- I would > install solar if I had the bucks to do it, though I'd > only be able to use it for lighting especially during the > winter. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 21 15:29:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56332 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2008 23:29:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2008 23:29:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2008 23:29:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.154] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081121172929002568400013.0) with SMTP id <20081121172929002568400013> for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:29:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <011101c94c31$504557c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20081120.170803.19371.3@webmail18.dca.untd.com> <1A906A18-2A1F-41FC-B471-041E57D81A54@yahoo.com> <026701c94b7e$ca8a6600$d503fea9@stodd> <25F14763-83B6-458F-8D15-72D609C8F191@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:29:29 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=z4t4f4Nedsoe24aoww8JNV2nAfXpZUw7mJKfCi6_JgDGpYS7mUZe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Depends upon the level of localism required. There are a lot of stations that wouldn't exist if it were required much more than a few hours a day, including our local nostalgia station, at least two of the three I work for, and our local lefty talker would be gone as well so be careful what you wish for. Done well and with enough resources, of course I would also prefer something more local. We've got a pretty good local weekend team, but being able to do it on a daily basis might be tough sledding. I suppose there would be one bright side of a localism mandate. A lot of those 100% ESPN and Fox Sports stations would go away. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Now to localism. Surely you and Don don't have a problem with the FCC requiring locally originated programming on stations? It would certainly cut down on rimshotters, satellators, and stations that run only national programs. I would love to see more local programming as I believe it to be the only thing that will save radio. Especially AM radio. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 16:42:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4767 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 00:41:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 00:41:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 00:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 00:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.243] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 00:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 00:41:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 675835.89674.bm@omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 62641 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 00:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.191 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 00:41:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yBNoBRUVM1nQSdx5A52cQDvKEARTuqB31gow3o7SgBdIZaeHboGFfjXtyeixaRDoDMX_yReaZo97mIcwrB_NBBjremdMfZmy4L7Xf0cSKzoU1JKrk3wSpv7re4ofSNQir67nj.wbT6t6rsLRinYsJ.6wlpEPBzrBrbhhVQrL6hwaP2iOJhyr6EeEDQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <005301c94c07$53177ca0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <79967.5985.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <005301c94c07$53177ca0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3BFEFC1C-5CE9-4403-9807-53F20F6E262D@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:41:57 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=BRV9MxJ-6Mc65h2RB3I6Xx9j0XdJN7dgocx9Nx-w2zruFCx9vQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 21, 2008, at 12:28 PM, wrote: > At least Kevin Redding can see the difference, to which I salute him. This world may come to an end very soon now that we agreed on something. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 17:48:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29528 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 01:48:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 01:48:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 01:48:17 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 01:48:17 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.72] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 01:48:17 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 01:48:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 992050.58443.bm@omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 4838 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 01:48:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.191 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 01:48:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2QR705YVM1lW2NxMKQ7xFduIhA1rV7H8.d7_FX20jvEig3kH3AK_A5GdiVk4O42BoslpwipPyaO2rztM2D7Hr1dX46UW0iT716yAnZt3gxElI3O9Krq9cTij7Tox2OebrfMaY..zTOA1hK.f0M4ssfADhVDHvRxTY8mqrFJLt7EyP5SIdjULOxo1TQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <2BC8A9E5-5580-416E-986D-B66810F58627@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:48:14 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=NJWeH8rx_L48exnpNcu0NshQtRTDgSMOU2oWoqVJP_Tk3QqNOw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman By Jay Bookman | Thursday, November 20, 2008, 11:38 AM The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Talk-radio hosts play their listeners as well as Yo Yo Ma plays the=20=20 cello, stroking a string and making their audience respond exactly=20=20 the way they want. It=92s bizarre how easily they can manipulate people = =20 who like to think of themselves as sturdy, independent-minded Americans. Nowhere is that more evident than in the fabricated right-wing=20=20 outrage about reimposition of the Fairness Doctrine. Under that long-=20 abandoned rule, radio and TV stations that use the public airways=20=20 were required to give equal time to various sides of every political=20=20 issue. The rule was well-intended, but in practical terms radio and=20=20 TV stations found it safer to avoid political discussion altogether=20=20 rather than risk running afoul of the law. For that and other reasons, the Fairness Doctrine was abandoned more=20=20 than 20 years ago, a change that quickly led to the boom in right-=20 wing talk radio. However, with Democrats in control of Congress and Barack Obama about=20=20 to become president, the maestros of talk radio are eager to take=20=20 advantage. They know that the more threatened their audience feels,=20=20 the higher their ratings get. And what better way to get their=20=20 listeners riled up than to claim that the Democrats are out to=20=20 silence talk radio itself, the medium that brings conservatives the=20=20 truth as they want to know it? So for months, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others have been=20=20 warning their audiences that once in power, the Democrats plan to=20=20 bring back the Fairness Doctrine. Politicians such as Newt Gingrich=20=20 have joined the chorus, and the issue is now being cited as a=20=20 critical reason why Saxby Chambliss has to be re-elected to the=20=20 Senate. Right-wing pundits insist the issue will be part of Obama=92s=20=20 agenda in his first 100 days in office. But of course, it=92s all made-up nonsense, backed by no evidence=20=20 whatsoever. In the current issue of the New Republic (subs. req.=20=20 online), Marin Cogan goes looking for those Democrats supposedly=20=20 plotting to kill talk radio but ends up empty handed. Obama, for example, is on the record as very clearly opposing a new=20=20 Fairness Doctrine (To which the paranoid replies: =93That=92s exactly=20=20 what he WOULD say, now isn=92t it?=94) Other top Democrats questioned by = =20 Cogan either laugh off the idea or dismiss it as ridiculous. =93That=92s = =20 a completely made-up issue,=94 the press secretary to Sen. Dick Durbin=20=20 told Cogan, stressing that Durbin has =93no plans, no language, no=20=20 nothing.=94 The bottom line is that the Fairness Doctrine is not going to come=20=20 back and it never was going to come back, and those on the right who=20=20 got suckered by this scam ought to be angry at being played for fools. But they won=92t be. To the contrary, just as quickly as one=20=20 justification for paranoia disappears, another one is certain to=20=20 emerge. Among a certain crowd, paranoia is a steady state that=20=20 continues independent of evidence or proof. In a famous essay written back in 1964, historian Richard Hofstadter=20=20 traced the evolution of what he called =93the paranoid style in=20=20 American politics=94 from the earliest days of the country up to what=20=20 was then modern times. More than four decades later, his description=20=20 of the paranoid narrative remains as fresh and accurate as the day it=20=20 was written: =93But the modern right wing =85 feels dispossessed,=94 Hofstadter wrote. = =20 =93America has been largely taken away from them and their kind, though = =20 they are determined to try to repossess it and to prevent the final=20=20 destructive act of subversion. The old American virtues have already=20=20 been eaten away by cosmopolitans and intellectuals; the old=20=20 competitive capitalism has been gradually undermined by socialistic=20=20 and communistic schemers; the old national security and independence=20=20 have been destroyed by treasonous plots, having as their most=20=20 powerful agents not merely outsiders and foreigners as of old but=20=20 major statesmen who are at the very centers of American power. Their=20=20 predecessors had discovered conspiracies; the modern radical right=20=20 finds conspiracy to be betrayal from on high.=94 Again, that was written more than 40 years ago, a passage of time=20=20 that confirms Hofstadter=92s wisdom that the paranoid style is=20=20 enduring. The only thing that has changed is the degree of influence=20=20 that the paranoid style has since achieved through talk radio, and=20=20 the grip it now holds on the Republican Party. In fact, the Democrats have every reason to encourage rather than=20=20 break that relationship, and they seem to know it. As the paranoid=20=20 right talks amongst itself on radio, Fox News and conservative web=20=20 sites, egging each other into ever higher fits of hysteria, they=20=20 construct an alternative America and alternative reality that is=20=20 increasingly divorced from the reality perceived by mainstream America. And when conservative politicians make the mistake of exposing that=20=20 alternative reality to the mainstream, as U.S. Rep. Paul Broun did=20=20 recently, they only make that alienation more obvious. In his piece, Hofstadter made it clear that he was not using the term=20=20 =93paranoid=94 in the clinical sense. As he put it, =93it is the use of = =20 paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes=20=20 the phenomenon significant.=94 =93The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic=20=20 terms =97 he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole=20=20 political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning=20=20 the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning=20=20 point,=94 Hofstadter wrote. Again, nothing has changed. In a piece this week in the Wall Street=20=20 Journal, writer Thomas Frank quoted the words of Home Depot co-=20 founder Bernie Marcus in an Oct. 17 conference call. =93This is the demise of a civilization,=94 Marcus is quoted as saying=20=20 about the election. =93This is how a civilization disappears. I=92m=20=20 sitting here as an elder statesman, and I=92m watching this happen, and = =20 I don=92t believe it.=94 Marcus was not referring specifically to Obama in those remarks, but=20=20 there=92s no question that the president-elect stokes such emotions by=20=20 his mere existence. Everything about Obama =97 his race, his age, his=20=20 intelligence, his name, his back story =97 feeds the paranoid=92s sense = =20 of dispossession identified by Hofstadter. In fact, if you had to design someone to perfectly epitomize their=20=20 deepest fears, Obama would be it. Over the next four to eight years,=20=20 he=92s destined to make Limbaugh, Hannity and their ilk even richer=20=20 than they are today, and make their listeners seem even more crazy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Nov 21 18:09:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10459 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 02:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 02:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost05.isp.att.net) (204.127.217.105) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 02:09:05 -0000 X-Received: from owner2d075f959 (adsl-146-5-112.mia.bellsouth.net[70.146.5.112]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20081122020901H0500esmobe>; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:09:01 +0000 To: References: <2BC8A9E5-5580-416E-986D-B66810F58627@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <2BC8A9E5-5580-416E-986D-B66810F58627@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:08:59 -0500 Organization: Q Media Hot 100, LAZR, 1003. KOOL Message-ID: <00a301c94c47$49e5dd80$ddb19880$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclMRGYHKbinUC4XSlaAVYYUbFFSwwAAfltw Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: 204.127.217.105 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda Q Media" Subject: RE: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=JwKVAypx_V2Z8W3rnUH7HV2Uku5IDqNXwmE-Z_QErldTjbg X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane What a great article.... The right wingnut talk show hosts KNOW there will be no "Fairness Doctrine", but by building up this phony outrage and making their lemming like idiot fans go into a heightened state of hysteria, they are insuring themselves to be more relevant, thereby insuring themselves a strong base and more profit. As I recently heard Spike Lee say in an Interview, "Leave it To Beaver doesn't exist anymore" And sadly, the listeners of these talk shows need to realize this... The Other Juan Fort Pierce, FL -----Original Message----- From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kevin redding Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:48 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman By Jay Bookman | Thursday, November 20, 2008, 11:38 AM The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Talk-radio hosts play their listeners as well as Yo Yo Ma plays the cello, stroking a string and making their audience respond exactly the way they want. It's bizarre how easily they can manipulate people who like to think of themselves as sturdy, independent-minded Americans. Nowhere is that more evident than in the fabricated right-wing outrage about reimposition of the Fairness Doctrine. Under that long- abandoned rule, radio and TV stations that use the public airways were required to give equal time to various sides of every political issue. The rule was well-intended, but in practical terms radio and TV stations found it safer to avoid political discussion altogether rather than risk running afoul of the law. For that and other reasons, the Fairness Doctrine was abandoned more than 20 years ago, a change that quickly led to the boom in right- wing talk radio. However, with Democrats in control of Congress and Barack Obama about to become president, the maestros of talk radio are eager to take advantage. They know that the more threatened their audience feels, the higher their ratings get. And what better way to get their listeners riled up than to claim that the Democrats are out to silence talk radio itself, the medium that brings conservatives the truth as they want to know it? So for months, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others have been warning their audiences that once in power, the Democrats plan to bring back the Fairness Doctrine. Politicians such as Newt Gingrich have joined the chorus, and the issue is now being cited as a critical reason why Saxby Chambliss has to be re-elected to the Senate. Right-wing pundits insist the issue will be part of Obama's agenda in his first 100 days in office. But of course, it's all made-up nonsense, backed by no evidence whatsoever. In the current issue of the New Republic (subs. req. online), Marin Cogan goes looking for those Democrats supposedly plotting to kill talk radio but ends up empty handed. Obama, for example, is on the record as very clearly opposing a new Fairness Doctrine (To which the paranoid replies: "That's exactly what he WOULD say, now isn't it?") Other top Democrats questioned by Cogan either laugh off the idea or dismiss it as ridiculous. "That's a completely made-up issue," the press secretary to Sen. Dick Durbin told Cogan, stressing that Durbin has "no plans, no language, no nothing." The bottom line is that the Fairness Doctrine is not going to come back and it never was going to come back, and those on the right who got suckered by this scam ought to be angry at being played for fools. But they won't be. To the contrary, just as quickly as one justification for paranoia disappears, another one is certain to emerge. Among a certain crowd, paranoia is a steady state that continues independent of evidence or proof. In a famous essay written back in 1964, historian Richard Hofstadter traced the evolution of what he called "the paranoid style in American politics" from the earliest days of the country up to what was then modern times. More than four decades later, his description of the paranoid narrative remains as fresh and accurate as the day it was written: "But the modern right wing . feels dispossessed," Hofstadter wrote. "America has been largely taken away from them and their kind, though they are determined to try to repossess it and to prevent the final destructive act of subversion. The old American virtues have already been eaten away by cosmopolitans and intellectuals; the old competitive capitalism has been gradually undermined by socialistic and communistic schemers; the old national security and independence have been destroyed by treasonous plots, having as their most powerful agents not merely outsiders and foreigners as of old but major statesmen who are at the very centers of American power. Their predecessors had discovered conspiracies; the modern radical right finds conspiracy to be betrayal from on high." Again, that was written more than 40 years ago, a passage of time that confirms Hofstadter's wisdom that the paranoid style is enduring. The only thing that has changed is the degree of influence that the paranoid style has since achieved through talk radio, and the grip it now holds on the Republican Party. In fact, the Democrats have every reason to encourage rather than break that relationship, and they seem to know it. As the paranoid right talks amongst itself on radio, Fox News and conservative web sites, egging each other into ever higher fits of hysteria, they construct an alternative America and alternative reality that is increasingly divorced from the reality perceived by mainstream America. And when conservative politicians make the mistake of exposing that alternative reality to the mainstream, as U.S. Rep. Paul Broun did recently, they only make that alienation more obvious. In his piece, Hofstadter made it clear that he was not using the term "paranoid" in the clinical sense. As he put it, "it is the use of paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes the phenomenon significant." "The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms - he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning point," Hofstadter wrote. Again, nothing has changed. In a piece this week in the Wall Street Journal, writer Thomas Frank quoted the words of Home Depot co- founder Bernie Marcus in an Oct. 17 conference call. "This is the demise of a civilization," Marcus is quoted as saying about the election. "This is how a civilization disappears. I'm sitting here as an elder statesman, and I'm watching this happen, and I don't believe it." Marcus was not referring specifically to Obama in those remarks, but there's no question that the president-elect stokes such emotions by his mere existence. Everything about Obama - his race, his age, his intelligence, his name, his back story - feeds the paranoid's sense of dispossession identified by Hofstadter. In fact, if you had to design someone to perfectly epitomize their deepest fears, Obama would be it. Over the next four to eight years, he's destined to make Limbaugh, Hannity and their ilk even richer than they are today, and make their listeners seem even more crazy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Nov 21 18:14:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33954 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 02:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 02:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 02:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail21.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.161]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUQ4Y7A5NWG62 for (sender ); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:13:49 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD0oSgVVOfWmZw+NZNOmvu8s= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail21.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2KNLSCQ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:13:01 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail21.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:12:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:12:37 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081121.181237.4649.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 44:22:3860261683 X-MAIL-INFO:4a79c1d56d55cd6d6481009010553de9fd5160e02010e5c0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.161|webmail21.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=o1dwedqkQD9dpDBkh_RFr4yJjFihWtOeV2ep1HNpVA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn What is the fascination you and couple others have about this issue? We all agree that the so called Fairness Doctrine is a dead issue except wi= th you, Kevin and friends...and of course the Atlanta Urinal-Constipation. = Get over it. You are beating a dead horse. The REAL problem is: The potential effort to redefine FCC =93localism=94 to= give community activists the right to demand more local, liberal content. = If station ownership does not comply, then licenses will be revoked and giv= en to minority owners who most probably will go broke. Thus a return to the= 1980s era of dark am stations.=20 Don=20=20 -- kevin redding wrote: The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman By Jay Bookman | Thursday, November 20, 2008, 11:38 AM The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Talk-radio hosts play their listeners as well as Yo Yo Ma plays the=20=20 cello, stroking a string and making their audience respond exactly=20=20 the way they want. It=92s bizarre how easily they can manipulate people = =20 who like to think of themselves as sturdy, independent-minded Americans. Nowhere is that more evident than in the fabricated right-wing=20=20 outrage about reimposition of the Fairness Doctrine. Under that long-=20 abandoned rule, radio and TV stations that use the public airways=20=20 were required to give equal time to various sides of every political=20=20 issue. The rule was well-intended, but in practical terms radio and=20=20 TV stations found it safer to avoid political discussion altogether=20=20 rather than risk running afoul of the law. For that and other reasons, the Fairness Doctrine was abandoned more=20=20 than 20 years ago, a change that quickly led to the boom in right-=20 wing talk radio. However, with Democrats in control of Congress and Barack Obama about=20=20 to become president, the maestros of talk radio are eager to take=20=20 advantage. They know that the more threatened their audience feels,=20=20 the higher their ratings get. And what better way to get their=20=20 listeners riled up than to claim that the Democrats are out to=20=20 silence talk radio itself, the medium that brings conservatives the=20=20 truth as they want to know it? So for months, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others have been=20=20 warning their audiences that once in power, the Democrats plan to=20=20 bring back the Fairness Doctrine. Politicians such as Newt Gingrich=20=20 have joined the chorus, and the issue is now being cited as a=20=20 critical reason why Saxby Chambliss has to be re-elected to the=20=20 Senate. Right-wing pundits insist the issue will be part of Obama=92s=20=20 agenda in his first 100 days in office. But of course, it=92s all made-up nonsense, backed by no evidence=20=20 whatsoever. In the current issue of the New Republic (subs. req.=20=20 online), Marin Cogan goes looking for those Democrats supposedly=20=20 plotting to kill talk radio but ends up empty handed. Obama, for example, is on the record as very clearly opposing a new=20=20 Fairness Doctrine (To which the paranoid replies: =93That=92s exactly=20=20 what he WOULD say, now isn=92t it?=94) Other top Democrats questioned by = =20 Cogan either laugh off the idea or dismiss it as ridiculous. =93That=92s = =20 a completely made-up issue,=94 the press secretary to Sen. Dick Durbin=20=20 told Cogan, stressing that Durbin has =93no plans, no language, no=20=20 nothing.=94 The bottom line is that the Fairness Doctrine is not going to come=20=20 back and it never was going to come back, and those on the right who=20=20 got suckered by this scam ought to be angry at being played for fools. But they won=92t be. To the contrary, just as quickly as one=20=20 justification for paranoia disappears, another one is certain to=20=20 emerge. Among a certain crowd, paranoia is a steady state that=20=20 continues independent of evidence or proof. In a famous essay written back in 1964, historian Richard Hofstadter=20=20 traced the evolution of what he called =93the paranoid style in=20=20 American politics=94 from the earliest days of the country up to what=20=20 was then modern times. More than four decades later, his description=20=20 of the paranoid narrative remains as fresh and accurate as the day it=20=20 was written: =93But the modern right wing =85 feels dispossessed,=94 Hofstadter wrote. = =20 =93America has been largely taken away from them and their kind, though = =20 they are determined to try to repossess it and to prevent the final=20=20 destructive act of subversion. The old American virtues have already=20=20 been eaten away by cosmopolitans and intellectuals; the old=20=20 competitive capitalism has been gradually undermined by socialistic=20=20 and communistic schemers; the old national security and independence=20=20 have been destroyed by treasonous plots, having as their most=20=20 powerful agents not merely outsiders and foreigners as of old but=20=20 major statesmen who are at the very centers of American power. Their=20=20 predecessors had discovered conspiracies; the modern radical right=20=20 finds conspiracy to be betrayal from on high.=94 Again, that was written more than 40 years ago, a passage of time=20=20 that confirms Hofstadter=92s wisdom that the paranoid style is=20=20 enduring. The only thing that has changed is the degree of influence=20=20 that the paranoid style has since achieved through talk radio, and=20=20 the grip it now holds on the Republican Party. In fact, the Democrats have every reason to encourage rather than=20=20 break that relationship, and they seem to know it. As the paranoid=20=20 right talks amongst itself on radio, Fox News and conservative web=20=20 sites, egging each other into ever higher fits of hysteria, they=20=20 construct an alternative America and alternative reality that is=20=20 increasingly divorced from the reality perceived by mainstream America. And when conservative politicians make the mistake of exposing that=20=20 alternative reality to the mainstream, as U.S. Rep. Paul Broun did=20=20 recently, they only make that alienation more obvious. In his piece, Hofstadter made it clear that he was not using the term=20=20 =93paranoid=94 in the clinical sense. As he put it, =93it is the use of = =20 paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes=20=20 the phenomenon significant.=94 =93The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic=20=20 terms =97 he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole=20=20 political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning=20=20 the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning=20=20 point,=94 Hofstadter wrote. Again, nothing has changed. In a piece this week in the Wall Street=20=20 Journal, writer Thomas Frank quoted the words of Home Depot co-=20 founder Bernie Marcus in an Oct. 17 conference call. =93This is the demise of a civilization,=94 Marcus is quoted as saying=20=20 about the election. =93This is how a civilization disappears. I=92m=20=20 sitting here as an elder statesman, and I=92m watching this happen, and = =20 I don=92t believe it.=94 Marcus was not referring specifically to Obama in those remarks, but=20=20 there=92s no question that the president-elect stokes such emotions by=20=20 his mere existence. Everything about Obama =97 his race, his age, his=20=20 intelligence, his name, his back story =97 feeds the paranoid=92s sense = =20 of dispossession identified by Hofstadter. In fact, if you had to design someone to perfectly epitomize their=20=20 deepest fears, Obama would be it. Over the next four to eight years,=20=20 he=92s destined to make Limbaugh, Hannity and their ilk even richer=20=20 than they are today, and make their listeners seem even more crazy. =20 From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 18:19:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41147 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 02:19:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 02:19:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 02:19:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51600 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2008 02:19:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: NdhVsggVM1lTp2ENjg5byZb59KF4gef4p5Q_1amkPothmp_j4d0y5IjlLXfGN1Ts.x5vA6Uzfb7yfj4FcgQYlOqBLPQkVcss.4GY1GP4AZriRies9iTO9ajm212AY7giK_Y2pIZolzQfYILjIT4q1W86.xjsDc5Vis4JKKayh7PXfrCfmR_wU1CdtKs- X-Received: from [64.222.34.48] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:19:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:19:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <423009.84693.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <870407.51286.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Solar power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=j_g_yDUHqkp50ySLQ9RU6W3_P5Y3c2cjr8XgV052u5xn3ODWCZmf X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd love to add solar cells for any station I may own in the future.=A0 I'd= be independent of grid electricity (and could feed excess power back INTO = the grid earning $!) which would be beneficial in a case of emergency where= the line power could become unavailable.=A0 Speaking of alternative power = sources, WBCQ derives part of its power from a wind turbine on premises. --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: {AMSF} Solar power To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 3:52 PM =20=20=20=20 The newer solar cells would work under cloudy conditions, but j= ust not as much output as full sun. Now, you can plan your system and bui= ld it out where it can be expandable. And remember some states will give yo= u money back for doing it.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 11/20/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net w= rote: > Unless you live in Seattle where it's cloudy most of the > time. Solar does work, but not everywhere. FWIW- I would > install solar if I had the bucks to do it, though I'd > only be able to use it for lighting especially during the > winter. =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 18:51:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89660 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 02:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 02:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.145) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 02:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 02:51:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.73] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 02:51:44 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 02:51:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 697801.98181.bm@omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 31851 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 02:51:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.191 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 02:51:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CMbEXEsVM1ktN700RCWKzqsRIaI.GFNChN5vxNqDM.i5uA.x9XMUTV6kVP80lvgAlhe9ryefWeiFWuKNtVMtzAGeOUSw2wUkX2tTZWejtkv2kJ936aWQqKsgsDYuuV_YDkNi7bwcmeI_FF_nK2ezBM5nMC5I.zfQBreh6A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081121.181237.4649.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20081121.181237.4649.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <336279D9-B0ED-441A-AC08-567DE2AEFA7C@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:51:42 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=J0SVRKeJGAJ8lkazh9fnwP4CWcdQyua1n-lWvCtDmfvkC0NeLw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > What is the fascination you and couple others have about this issue? Its an issue that you brought up after listening to your right wing=20=20 talking points. We just want to make sure that we do what Bush said=20=20 with you. Keep repeating things over and over to catapult the=20=20 propaganda. > We all agree that the so called Fairness Doctrine is a dead issue=20=20 > except with you, Kevin and friends...and of course the Atlanta=20=20 > Urinal-Constipation. Get over it. You are beating a dead horse. You forgot the LA Times. Its your dead horse that got gored. Now=20=20 you're upset. :( > The REAL problem is: The potential effort to redefine FCC=20=20 > =93localism=94 to give community activists the right to demand more=20=20 > local, liberal content. As much as I would like more local and left wing news and shows, I=20=20 have to say this is just another canard, a straw man. The big=20=20 corporations and the ever useless NAB will give as much money as they=20=20 need to the FCC commissioners to ensure their national programs are=20=20 uninterrupted and there will not be any localism. McRadio is here to=20=20 stay. No need to be a right wing whiner because localism is not on=20=20 the radar screen either. However if it happens, I will be happy to=20=20 see small towns get coverage again. > If station ownership does not comply, then licenses will be revoked=20=20 > and given to minority owners who most probably will go broke. Thus=20=20 > a return to the 1980s era of dark am stations. I think that licenses should be revoked now. I would be glad to see=20=20 the bands open up for two reasons. The stations left would be healthy=20=20 because there would be less places to split ad dollars and I like to=20=20 DX so a opened up band would make me happy. I think that if there=20=20 were fewer stations the ones that survive will have a lot better cash=20=20 flow without so many places to spend ad money. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Fri Nov 21 19:04:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75493 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 03:04:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 03:04:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 03:04:24 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail06.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.146]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUQ7W3AGSXWUJ for (sender ); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:03:53 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2Ldf5CPrOyER1uQ+BR8irs= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail06.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2KRGALF; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:02:59 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail06.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:02:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:02:58 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081121.190258.4719.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 13:6:2404778230 X-MAIL-INFO:1ee0a00c0020f500357dcd79392060a5b4e11d24e43950f9 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.146|webmail06.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=v1fhE_lu_qAtacsaJFeT37yr4yXITCp1m5GueVAPNw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Fewer stations - Fewer jobs. But better DX! Be careful what you wish for. Don -- kevin redding wrote: > What is the fascination you and couple others have about this issue? Its an issue that you brought up after listening to your right wing=20=20 talking points. We just want to make sure that we do what Bush said=20=20 with you. Keep repeating things over and over to catapult the=20=20 propaganda. > We all agree that the so called Fairness Doctrine is a dead issue=20=20 > except with you, Kevin and friends...and of course the Atlanta=20=20 > Urinal-Constipation. Get over it. You are beating a dead horse. You forgot the LA Times. Its your dead horse that got gored. Now=20=20 you're upset. :( > The REAL problem is: The potential effort to redefine FCC=20=20 > =93localism=94 to give community activists the right to demand more=20=20 > local, liberal content. As much as I would like more local and left wing news and shows, I=20=20 have to say this is just another canard, a straw man. The big=20=20 corporations and the ever useless NAB will give as much money as they=20=20 need to the FCC commissioners to ensure their national programs are=20=20 uninterrupted and there will not be any localism. McRadio is here to=20=20 stay. No need to be a right wing whiner because localism is not on=20=20 the radar screen either. However if it happens, I will be happy to=20=20 see small towns get coverage again. > If station ownership does not comply, then licenses will be revoked=20=20 > and given to minority owners who most probably will go broke. Thus=20=20 > a return to the 1980s era of dark am stations. I think that licenses should be revoked now. I would be glad to see=20=20 the bands open up for two reasons. The stations left would be healthy=20=20 because there would be less places to split ad dollars and I like to=20=20 DX so a opened up band would make me happy. I think that if there=20=20 were fewer stations the ones that survive will have a lot better cash=20=20 flow without so many places to spend ad money. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 03:54:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32152 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 11:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 11:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n70.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 11:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n70.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 11:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 11:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.246] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 11:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 11:54:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 286093.52657.bm@omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 44824 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 11:54:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.191 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 11:54:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4yVD9OMVM1kEmyaJWFWa7s54to2cVeotczszzE772MrsFpl8fVHTuqkBplsm.X4zUHkKc.c_i4pbNPCIbTxPyd3gsZm2vo5SE89Zx.ZE432HwB.NfSJWQD2iSJbgYuJzh3oRS1XCKTO.xrx_6qrwgJZLzGMUOsc6LZXvAA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081121.190258.4719.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> References: <20081121.190258.4719.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:54:33 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=RnJ-K-k_gd7KfD1FeZdWwaw2sqzdCihKToWuY5ABIIwi1aAYZA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Fewer stations - Fewer jobs. But better DX! > > Be careful what you wish for. Fewer stations, fewer jobs, more ad dollars for surviving stations, better DX. The band will be healthier. Radio will be better off. What's not to like? That said, any station that is not streaming is insane. The future is not steel in the air but bits in the bitstream. Kids don't listen to radio. They listen to iPods and the internet. There is a 802.11 standard that will send a signal 30 miles. Once this is finished, cars can have the internet and drivers can listen to anything on earth. The competition for listeners will be global and no longer local. It will get harder for those with steel in the air. People are listening to the world on iPhones, cell phones, iPods, computers at work and everything on earth but the radio. Whomever still transmits with steel in the air will have to be hyperlocal and will be hoping for their lives there are fewer stations so they can get whatever ad dollars they can. The times, they are a changin' and those who are not on the net now are going to be true roadkill on the side of the information superhighway. At least a little station like the one Powell Way works at, WKDK gets it. They already have a net presence. They are very forward looking. Disregard this at your own peril. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 22 05:21:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98802 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 13:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 13:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 13:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bdd.40f004b1 (39329) for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:21:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:21:33 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Rt_1oIkiEHZTj8s8ZtePjRdY34_ziN4VdlmV-mhMUgP37CsBE6TuDSSYNNrOC2LP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was around when the Fairness Doctrine was in place and as I recall there were ALOT MORE jobs that paid ALOT BETTER than today. That's a fact. What is killing jobs is automation, syndication, and deregulation, not fairness. Programming has become so monolythic, there really isn't the need for as many stations as there are. At night, just go up and down the AM dial and see how many times you get Hannity, Savage, and C2C just about anyplace in the country. I now live in rural remote Arkansas and Rush appears no less than 3 places on car radio and that's in the daytime! The lesson learned in the 50s when radio had to compete with television was that radio couldn't outdo television on its own terms. Radio didn't try to come up with better sitcoms, game shows, melodramas and the like from 30s and 40s to compete with those of TV in 50s. It came up with something original. It re-invented itself. There will always be those who simply want to listen to music, just music. With evolving technology, radio cannot compete with Ipods and the like. Talk Radio is burning itself out. I somewhat agree in terms of the broadcast industry that the future is in bits in a datastream and not steel in air. However, personally, there are few things that can compete with looking up a tall tower at dusk just as the obstruction lights come on for awe and majesty. Mike ************** One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=ne w-dp%26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 22 05:51:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50233 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 13:51:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 13:51:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 13:51:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99175 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2008 13:51:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4sQfn58VM1k1SZuqMitmE1E_O_Z7lgvfCNSKicnkzZAL3H4S.bHu_GS_aiMzktmO.3WG_vymJ4.6JC89sdfXo3V6kmPrFVq73KkgKUpWtIwBLWhFF1nATl.7La9R4.vUqWYTLTxl7kIFbQvHV8J3eidECu2rASGhx1Epx0SU7MmOLh4- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:51:28 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:51:28 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005301c94c07$53177ca0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <774095.98799.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=-nP2ls3WPFGoSn5cKX2BDakk84Ayw6yEhTuvGelJ2XA5fZq6rkR5 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There you go trying that republican tactic of using his middle name.=A0 You= aren't fooling anyone with that "BHO" line. =A0 --- On Fri, 11/21/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 1:28 PM So why are you convinced I didn't vote for BHO because of race? Working in = right-wing talk radio I've met a lot of the hosts and they aren't against h= im because of race, but rather values. BHO believes big government can solv= e all our problems; I and my fellow "right wingers" believe big government = IS the problem. Nothing racial about it. At least Kevin Redding can see the= difference, to which I salute him. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY Boy that makes it evident. Never more convincing than when you yell. --- On Thu, 11/20/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net w= rote: From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 9:13 PM Alright- I'll tell you just what I think: TO HELL WITH YOUR BOGUS CHARGES O= F BIGOTRY!!! I'd have voted to put a black guy in the White House in a New = York minute, but neither Michael Steele nor Ken Blackwell were running. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 They feared a black man ever being in the white house, they dont like it pe= riod. They just can't say what they really think! I think they should exerc= ise their freedom of speech and say what they really think concerning that = instead of being whiney.=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 22 05:52:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47508 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 13:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 13:52:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 13:52:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52542 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2008 13:52:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oZstzZMVM1lCvLZNvdd60OhXYEQmjxVOLSZOa.gqBDvCiCr8ONGiigfVHJTgW2uspzicAFSYwav_q1WvUVpP.JFVnthpZbc2gUuXPl8Pwm4XeFr3kWLbvnpeLA9EnEtGFrSSMTbq_3t2Y3rfHKLo7WXujKgE6.6f_HaXTIyG88FvL1Q- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:52:09 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:52:09 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3BFEFC1C-5CE9-4403-9807-53F20F6E262D@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <873266.51548.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=3UHUKfSN4yVhg3RzbGlEmDvTwFdt7xGG0u-RIW2LmdvjvIpjyJqX X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm but we know what he means by BHO, he's trying to insult Obama. =A0 =A0 --- On Fri, 11/21/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 7:41 PM On Nov 21, 2008, at 12:28 PM, =20 wrote: > At least Kevin Redding can see the difference, to which I salute him. This world may come to an end very soon now that we agreed on something. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 22 05:54:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48384 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 13:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 13:54:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 13:54:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32486 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2008 13:54:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yCKfMnsVM1laY9xNxI88TJ9wNhVFqFLe_eoM8MjWnQj1crbo9pWxmuRXdh.zWwiCPEjNdCBplxE9a0a8umj1SuTqiYmvXzzA39FfZU_l2f0FxR4Di0sJt1DSX5kdEE6Z3j4QEBg3Iu7IqGM8e0h66Il63BPJmkZghgTqeKmJnRUcXFA- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:54:15 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:54:15 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00a301c94c47$49e5dd80$ddb19880$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <850730.32471.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: RE: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=PPimRVV_0zPgS4q7oFrd_G0Ug292RoJ7I21MEMIDYAqtmt-GnuV2 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They are just looking for anything to hold on to.=A0 They can't stand to se= e their white anglo saxon protestant culture no longer be dominant.=A0 And = yes I am a white man, English descent to be exact! =A0 --- On Fri, 11/21/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote: From: J Gualda Q Media Subject: RE: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 9:08 PM What a great article.... The right wingnut talk show hosts KNOW there will be no "Fairness Doctrine"= , but by building up this phony outrage and making their lemming like idiot fans go into a heightened state of hysteria, they are insuring themselves t= o be more relevant, thereby insuring themselves a strong base and more profit= . As I recently heard Spike Lee say in an Interview, "Leave it To Beaver doesn't exist anymore" And sadly, the listeners of these talk shows need to realize this... The Other Juan Fort Pierce, FL -----Original Message----- From: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. c= om] On Behalf Of kevin redding Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:48 PM To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman By Jay Bookman | Thursday, November 20, 2008, 11:38 AM The Atlanta Journal-Constitutio n Talk-radio hosts play their listeners as well as Yo Yo Ma plays the=20 cello, stroking a string and making their audience respond exactly=20 the way they want. It's bizarre how easily they can manipulate people=20 who like to think of themselves as sturdy, independent- minded Americans. Nowhere is that more evident than in the fabricated right-wing=20 outrage about reimposition of the Fairness Doctrine. Under that long-=20 abandoned rule, radio and TV stations that use the public airways=20 were required to give equal time to various sides of every political=20 issue. The rule was well-intended, but in practical terms radio and=20 TV stations found it safer to avoid political discussion altogether=20 rather than risk running afoul of the law. For that and other reasons, the Fairness Doctrine was abandoned more=20 than 20 years ago, a change that quickly led to the boom in right-=20 wing talk radio. However, with Democrats in control of Congress and Barack Obama about=20 to become president, the maestros of talk radio are eager to take=20 advantage. They know that the more threatened their audience feels,=20 the higher their ratings get. And what better way to get their=20 listeners riled up than to claim that the Democrats are out to=20 silence talk radio itself, the medium that brings conservatives the=20 truth as they want to know it? So for months, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others have been=20 warning their audiences that once in power, the Democrats plan to=20 bring back the Fairness Doctrine. Politicians such as Newt Gingrich=20 have joined the chorus, and the issue is now being cited as a=20 critical reason why Saxby Chambliss has to be re-elected to the=20 Senate. Right-wing pundits insist the issue will be part of Obama's=20 agenda in his first 100 days in office. But of course, it's all made-up nonsense, backed by no evidence=20 whatsoever. In the current issue of the New Republic (subs. req.=20 online), Marin Cogan goes looking for those Democrats supposedly=20 plotting to kill talk radio but ends up empty handed. Obama, for example, is on the record as very clearly opposing a new=20 Fairness Doctrine (To which the paranoid replies: "That's exactly=20 what he WOULD say, now isn't it?") Other top Democrats questioned by=20 Cogan either laugh off the idea or dismiss it as ridiculous. "That's=20 a completely made-up issue," the press secretary to Sen. Dick Durbin=20 told Cogan, stressing that Durbin has "no plans, no language, no=20 nothing." The bottom line is that the Fairness Doctrine is not going to come=20 back and it never was going to come back, and those on the right who=20 got suckered by this scam ought to be angry at being played for fools. But they won't be. To the contrary, just as quickly as one=20 justification for paranoia disappears, another one is certain to=20 emerge. Among a certain crowd, paranoia is a steady state that=20 continues independent of evidence or proof. In a famous essay written back in 1964, historian Richard Hofstadter=20 traced the evolution of what he called "the paranoid style in=20 American politics" from the earliest days of the country up to what=20 was then modern times. More than four decades later, his description=20 of the paranoid narrative remains as fresh and accurate as the day it=20 was written: "But the modern right wing . feels dispossessed, " Hofstadter wrote.=20 "America has been largely taken away from them and their kind, though=20 they are determined to try to repossess it and to prevent the final=20 destructive act of subversion. The old American virtues have already=20 been eaten away by cosmopolitans and intellectuals; the old=20 competitive capitalism has been gradually undermined by socialistic=20 and communistic schemers; the old national security and independence=20 have been destroyed by treasonous plots, having as their most=20 powerful agents not merely outsiders and foreigners as of old but=20 major statesmen who are at the very centers of American power. Their=20 predecessors had discovered conspiracies; the modern radical right=20 finds conspiracy to be betrayal from on high." Again, that was written more than 40 years ago, a passage of time=20 that confirms Hofstadter's wisdom that the paranoid style is=20 enduring. The only thing that has changed is the degree of influence=20 that the paranoid style has since achieved through talk radio, and=20 the grip it now holds on the Republican Party. In fact, the Democrats have every reason to encourage rather than=20 break that relationship, and they seem to know it. As the paranoid=20 right talks amongst itself on radio, Fox News and conservative web=20 sites, egging each other into ever higher fits of hysteria, they=20 construct an alternative America and alternative reality that is=20 increasingly divorced from the reality perceived by mainstream America. And when conservative politicians make the mistake of exposing that=20 alternative reality to the mainstream, as U.S. Rep. Paul Broun did=20 recently, they only make that alienation more obvious. In his piece, Hofstadter made it clear that he was not using the term=20 "paranoid" in the clinical sense. As he put it, "it is the use of=20 paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes=20 the phenomenon significant. " "The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic=20 terms - he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole=20 political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning=20 the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning=20 point," Hofstadter wrote. Again, nothing has changed. In a piece this week in the Wall Street=20 Journal, writer Thomas Frank quoted the words of Home Depot co-=20 founder Bernie Marcus in an Oct. 17 conference call. "This is the demise of a civilization, " Marcus is quoted as saying=20 about the election. "This is how a civilization disappears. I'm=20 sitting here as an elder statesman, and I'm watching this happen, and=20 I don't believe it." Marcus was not referring specifically to Obama in those remarks, but=20 there's no question that the president-elect stokes such emotions by=20 his mere existence. Everything about Obama - his race, his age, his=20 intelligence, his name, his back story - feeds the paranoid's sense=20 of dispossession identified by Hofstadter. In fact, if you had to design someone to perfectly epitomize their=20 deepest fears, Obama would be it. Over the next four to eight years,=20 he's destined to make Limbaugh, Hannity and their ilk even richer=20 than they are today, and make their listeners seem even more crazy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 22 05:56:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75454 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 13:56:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 13:56:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 13:56:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36554 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2008 13:56:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Le.3wPAVM1luaVYe.5g.kh7IH4.hxErY3pjrlFKTVYYkGtLvhOpQUHmFUFnoHfxUrIa5sUnimfruT.J3y_HC4at4kmlD3abbQ9cYotdlUprN.fL5Jn7pw_JPfj0nSnc3gSK4WdURrQhNkR8wiIo8JbiOJVp_5g0vn8oUb9msvwXXBrc- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:56:03 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:56:03 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081121.181237.4649.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <753284.36164.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=fuFe7r_Y9hAU8mlCJTEf0pIf2-jNe0aFtMa5-4oeHAiFUEl-VfRX X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The real reason AM stations will go dark is talk is moving to FM in many lo= cations and HD doesn't work well on AM so far.=A0 Music on AM has been dead= .=A0 About the only thing you'll hear on AM is religious and mexican progra= mming. =A0 =A0 --- On Fri, 11/21/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 9:12 PM What is the fascination you and couple others have about this issue? We all agree that the so called Fairness Doctrine is a dead issue except wi= th you, Kevin and friends...and of course the Atlanta Urinal-Constipation .= Get over it. You are beating a dead horse. The REAL problem is: The potential effort to redefine FCC =93localism=94 to= give community activists the right to demand more local, liberal content. = If station ownership does not comply, then licenses will be revoked and giv= en to minority owners who most probably will go broke. Thus a return to the= 1980s era of dark am stations.=20 Don=20 -- kevin redding wrote: The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman By Jay Bookman | Thursday, November 20, 2008, 11:38 AM The Atlanta Journal-Constitutio n Talk-radio hosts play their listeners as well as Yo Yo Ma plays the=20 cello, stroking a string and making their audience respond exactly=20 the way they want. It=92s bizarre how easily they can manipulate people=20 who like to think of themselves as sturdy, independent- minded Americans. Nowhere is that more evident than in the fabricated right-wing=20 outrage about reimposition of the Fairness Doctrine. Under that long-=20 abandoned rule, radio and TV stations that use the public airways=20 were required to give equal time to various sides of every political=20 issue. The rule was well-intended, but in practical terms radio and=20 TV stations found it safer to avoid political discussion altogether=20 rather than risk running afoul of the law. For that and other reasons, the Fairness Doctrine was abandoned more=20 than 20 years ago, a change that quickly led to the boom in right-=20 wing talk radio. However, with Democrats in control of Congress and Barack Obama about=20 to become president, the maestros of talk radio are eager to take=20 advantage. They know that the more threatened their audience feels,=20 the higher their ratings get. And what better way to get their=20 listeners riled up than to claim that the Democrats are out to=20 silence talk radio itself, the medium that brings conservatives the=20 truth as they want to know it? So for months, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others have been=20 warning their audiences that once in power, the Democrats plan to=20 bring back the Fairness Doctrine. Politicians such as Newt Gingrich=20 have joined the chorus, and the issue is now being cited as a=20 critical reason why Saxby Chambliss has to be re-elected to the=20 Senate. Right-wing pundits insist the issue will be part of Obama=92s=20 agenda in his first 100 days in office. But of course, it=92s all made-up nonsense, backed by no evidence=20 whatsoever. In the current issue of the New Republic (subs. req.=20 online), Marin Cogan goes looking for those Democrats supposedly=20 plotting to kill talk radio but ends up empty handed. Obama, for example, is on the record as very clearly opposing a new=20 Fairness Doctrine (To which the paranoid replies: =93That=92s exactly=20 what he WOULD say, now isn=92t it?=94) Other top Democrats questioned by=20 Cogan either laugh off the idea or dismiss it as ridiculous. =93That=92s=20 a completely made-up issue,=94 the press secretary to Sen. Dick Durbin=20 told Cogan, stressing that Durbin has =93no plans, no language, no=20 nothing.=94 The bottom line is that the Fairness Doctrine is not going to come=20 back and it never was going to come back, and those on the right who=20 got suckered by this scam ought to be angry at being played for fools. But they won=92t be. To the contrary, just as quickly as one=20 justification for paranoia disappears, another one is certain to=20 emerge. Among a certain crowd, paranoia is a steady state that=20 continues independent of evidence or proof. In a famous essay written back in 1964, historian Richard Hofstadter=20 traced the evolution of what he called =93the paranoid style in=20 American politics=94 from the earliest days of the country up to what=20 was then modern times. More than four decades later, his description=20 of the paranoid narrative remains as fresh and accurate as the day it=20 was written: =93But the modern right wing =85 feels dispossessed,=94 Hofstadter wrote.=20 =93America has been largely taken away from them and their kind, though=20 they are determined to try to repossess it and to prevent the final=20 destructive act of subversion. The old American virtues have already=20 been eaten away by cosmopolitans and intellectuals; the old=20 competitive capitalism has been gradually undermined by socialistic=20 and communistic schemers; the old national security and independence=20 have been destroyed by treasonous plots, having as their most=20 powerful agents not merely outsiders and foreigners as of old but=20 major statesmen who are at the very centers of American power. Their=20 predecessors had discovered conspiracies; the modern radical right=20 finds conspiracy to be betrayal from on high.=94 Again, that was written more than 40 years ago, a passage of time=20 that confirms Hofstadter=92s wisdom that the paranoid style is=20 enduring. The only thing that has changed is the degree of influence=20 that the paranoid style has since achieved through talk radio, and=20 the grip it now holds on the Republican Party. In fact, the Democrats have every reason to encourage rather than=20 break that relationship, and they seem to know it. As the paranoid=20 right talks amongst itself on radio, Fox News and conservative web=20 sites, egging each other into ever higher fits of hysteria, they=20 construct an alternative America and alternative reality that is=20 increasingly divorced from the reality perceived by mainstream America. And when conservative politicians make the mistake of exposing that=20 alternative reality to the mainstream, as U.S. Rep. Paul Broun did=20 recently, they only make that alienation more obvious. In his piece, Hofstadter made it clear that he was not using the term=20 =93paranoid=94 in the clinical sense. As he put it, =93it is the use of=20 paranoid modes of expression by more or less normal people that makes=20 the phenomenon significant.=94 =93The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic=20 terms =97 he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole=20 political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning=20 the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning=20 point,=94 Hofstadter wrote. Again, nothing has changed. In a piece this week in the Wall Street=20 Journal, writer Thomas Frank quoted the words of Home Depot co-=20 founder Bernie Marcus in an Oct. 17 conference call. =93This is the demise of a civilization,=94 Marcus is quoted as saying=20 about the election. =93This is how a civilization disappears. I=92m=20 sitting here as an elder statesman, and I=92m watching this happen, and=20 I don=92t believe it.=94 Marcus was not referring specifically to Obama in those remarks, but=20 there=92s no question that the president-elect stokes such emotions by=20 his mere existence. Everything about Obama =97 his race, his age, his=20 intelligence, his name, his back story =97 feeds the paranoid=92s sense=20 of dispossession identified by Hofstadter. In fact, if you had to design someone to perfectly epitomize their=20 deepest fears, Obama would be it. Over the next four to eight years,=20 he=92s destined to make Limbaugh, Hannity and their ilk even richer=20 than they are today, and make their listeners seem even more crazy. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 22 06:26:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34290 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 14:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 14:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 14:26:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61981 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2008 14:26:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0HLhQVsVM1kYUMoVs6Fj8GB2p2h4OKKjTTDaVE2gc8NxY9EF2l3hE1ycWJyQFAzRPw2i58Kq._N666d0bFCYcpurJmJ058l9NPJA7J42Ww_rlH0OtOpDTH_HChZlwvnL0hB4eLO9oVQlV8HKcyJcFH_RxmKvvGfKqbluA.poWEZqHMs- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:26:56 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:26:56 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <676409.36708.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=MBFY6kZBe6b-1mHzxZpRXaJQpt_buoNmtkjgHT3HuIb83czvbev7 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is true and that is why at some point radio as we know it will cease t= o exist.=A0 If you talk to kids today about radio they will laugh in your f= ace.=A0 It's a different generation.=A0 Hell the younger people have their = own podcasts over the net in some instances.=A0 The political issues in her= e kinda run along the same thought process in here.=A0 Too many people are = looking backwards instead of forwards.=A0 Radio might have had a better cha= nce at surviving longer had HD caught on.=A0=A0For one HD hasn't been promo= ted much at all.=A0 You can scarcely find an HD radio=A0anywhere except the= net and when you do=A0the only thing you find is perhaps one car model wit= h it.=A0 Why we never had RDS here is crazy whenever Europe has had it fore= ver.=A0 At=A0least that would have been an added=A0value to radio to have t= he names, texts, etc to songs and information.=A0=A0Our ideas of radio have= been in the dark too long.=A0 If you get HD promoted well and the engineer= s can get it to work on AM with no interference and with FM quality as it was touted= then AM might have a chance.=A0 Still though it would need various program= ming on it to revive the band.=A0 Not just all right winger nutjobs blowing= hot air.=A0 It would need music and other things in order to compete with = the FM side and have something real to offer.=A0 I tell you all us "classic= ists" have for way too long just passively accepted AM's limitations.=A0 Th= at is a major reason it will die off.=A0 Quality is a big issue.=A0 Now yes= MP3's aren't anywhere the quality of a full umcompressed recording and I k= now kids accept the MP3 daily.=A0 I have to tell you though, an MP3 as low = as 128kbps in stereo sounds lightyears better than any sound quality AM is = currently offering.=A0 People in general do like a certain level of quality= that is "acceptable".=A0 I know peopole older than me and I am 34 and I've= asked lots why they don't listen to AM.=A0 You get some who actually do li= sten but listen only for talk.=A0 If you bring up music they say "AM sounds lik= e shit".=A0 That has been the general consensus forever, even us AM lovers = if we are to admit the truth.=A0 Can AM sound better currently ?=A0 Sure bu= t we have hurdles to jump over, most notably FCC limitations imposed and th= ats another beast.=A0 But if we look forward and are forward thinking then = all of this nonsense I've just talked about is meaningless.=A0 The younger = generations don't give a damn about radio and if you think that isn't true = then you've missed the boat altogether.=A0 They don't even listen to full a= lbums in most cases.=A0 They want a playlist.=A0 In other words they want o= ne huge "mixtape" as we used to call them on their Ipod.=A0 In other words = thousands of songs at the click of their thumb instantly.=A0 They want to b= e able to download a song instantly and play it.=A0 No one wants to listen = to radio and have to wait through commercials and whatever they are playing= just to hear one song when they can go to their computer and download it instan= tly, in most instances for free if you haven't figured that out yet.=A0 The= whole landscape has changed and it's here folks.=A0 Even putting a station= on the net I do not think will attract todays kids.=A0 I'm telling you all= they want instant gratification with their musical tastes and they can hav= e it.=A0 They don't have to wait through commericials.=A0 Todays kids don't= even like listening to some DJ talk.=A0 They just want their damn song and= that is it.=A0 The best you can hope for is a generation who is retro thin= king and actually likes radio and thinks that it would be neat to listen to= it.=A0 You'd be hard pressed to find many people below 30 like that anymor= e.=A0 Even at my age of 34, and i'm almost 35, people are going to computer= s and Ipods.=A0 Many of my friends are ditching their CD collections.=A0 It= 's all about the Ipod and the computer nowadays.=A0 I am not like that at a= ll.=A0 I still like a good system setup and a good LP or CD.=A0 I'm a rarity thou= gh.=A0 A dinosaur if you will in my own time.=A0 As fancy as DAT,=A0CD,=A0a= nd Minidisc were a decade ago the kids of today laugh at that technology.= =A0 It is sad.=A0 Now on to perhaps a ray of hope although it's more novelt= y than anything.=A0 I've read in the last few months that a lot of teens ar= e flocking to LP records and sales of LP's and turntables are up.=A0 I even= read an article this morning talking about cassettes being "cool" amongst = some.=A0 Let me assure you though that I think that is a very small segment= who is into a passing fad.=A0=20 =A0 --- On Sat, 11/22/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 6:54 AM > Fewer stations - Fewer jobs. But better DX! > > Be careful what you wish for. Fewer stations, fewer jobs, more ad dollars for surviving stations,=20 better DX. The band will be healthier. Radio will be better off.=20 What's not to like? That said, any station that is not streaming is insane. The future is=20 not steel in the air but bits in the bitstream. Kids don't listen to=20 radio. They listen to iPods and the internet. There is a 802.11=20 standard that will send a signal 30 miles. Once this is finished,=20 cars can have the internet and drivers can listen to anything on=20 earth. The competition for listeners will be global and no longer=20 local. It will get harder for those with steel in the air. People are listening to the world on iPhones, cell phones, iPods,=20 computers at work and everything on earth but the radio. Whomever=20 still transmits with steel in the air will have to be hyperlocal and=20 will be hoping for their lives there are fewer stations so they can=20 get whatever ad dollars they can. The times, they are a changin' and those who are not on the net now=20 are going to be true roadkill on the side of the information=20 superhighway. At least a little station like the one Powell Way works at, WKDK gets=20 it. They already have a net presence. They are very forward looking. Disregard this at your own peril. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 22 06:29:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96873 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 14:29:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 14:29:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 14:29:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36336 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2008 14:29:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8GqMYj8VM1kgnTVtp_vE8CQ.kywkWRZptwB71kpe1_HI9LXHnoQ.vWd7FCZw6bIGBs8dTNg2_865NVfDgG8skVnKL.cdEy7FYQmX5tmqOHk_gsEY6ycuVyf_C5RwMk6aGY10vS2.LgVVP4jgz5AoEitidk5us7znkwHQESVzpioVcM0- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:29:16 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:29:16 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <924619.33944.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Xy759PYHNG70D9mHKziQce5AgWdbTTp13oLIsZ5DMO25I7CR-b7K X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable True but todays kids have no concept of awe and majesty the way we do.=A0 I= nstant gratification at the speed of light is their mantra. =A0 =A0 --- On Sat, 11/22/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 8:21 AM I was around when the Fairness Doctrine was in place and as I recall there= =20 were ALOT MORE jobs that paid ALOT BETTER than today. That's a fact. What i= s=20 killing jobs is automation, syndication, and deregulation, not fairness. Programming has become so monolythic, there really isn't the need for as ma= ny=20 stations as there are. At night, just go up and down the AM dial and see ho= w=20 many times you get Hannity, Savage, and C2C just about anyplace in the=20 country. I now live in rural remote Arkansas and Rush appears no less than = 3 places=20 on car radio and that's in the daytime! The lesson learned in the 50s when radio had to compete with television was= =20 that radio couldn't outdo television on its own terms. Radio didn't try to= =20 come up with better sitcoms, game shows, melodramas and the like from 30s a= nd 40s=20 to compete with those of TV in 50s. It came up with something original. It= =20 re-invented itself. There will always be those who simply want to listen to music, just music.= =20 With evolving technology, radio cannot compete with Ipods and the like. Tal= k=20 Radio is burning itself out. I somewhat agree in terms of the broadcast industry that the future is in=20 bits in a datastream and not steel in air. However, personally, there are f= ew=20 things that can compete with looking up a tall tower at dusk just as the=20 obstruction lights come on for awe and majesty. Mike ************ ** One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social=20 networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com=20 today!(http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100000075x121296 2939x1200825291/ ao= l?redir=3D http://www. aol.com/? optin=3Dne w-dp%26icid=3D aolcom40vanity% 26ncid=3Demlcntaol com00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 07:08:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86684 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 15:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 15:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 15:08:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65013 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2008 15:08:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZrzuuSQVM1mkwcodO53aALupDB7Byxp8WriERI907lZFcblzdyUCU5xBMDj9rM9Pi__Aqy42AGBx5rr1rtpFdhfcf_wSwEmjQ1FsfE3T_ERJVMSzgiUkpurjDOwC_ywUNqkBkWMRyWi0NxgSmkXH_Pwu X-Received: from [72.241.176.83] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:08:13 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:08:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <202830.64327.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: WLS Engineer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=RoR2w5EwsAup6ZAY20Q_BQIAaD9VmLsAE7ZwNS84hWrgLeVTGfzkd74 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hello, Can someone refresh my memory on who is the chief engineer of WLS-AM ? How about an email address too? Thanks, John From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 07:14:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34344 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 15:14:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 15:14:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 15:14:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9042 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2008 15:14:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wjyS3zIVM1lNUvxpxbKIKxDg6.FG.suo.t9sFbqrwjLSlptSEKwNFTeCmK9Le.Ry6QCibWe0IhVxkP3M7bJXPJHnZzOnZDI_1.J2w.XzUIkh9PgbinUL_p10G3YjkY1j6wOQj8VJm_k15lROKUnZB3Afa_h7yoS5.9JA9wcX1AihpBbACqrmeXp6NA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.152] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:14:22 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:14:22 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <870407.51286.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <543483.8333.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Solar power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=HPQneldZcJkptt2K5KJrEJoPEpGyoFVoMIoDTE6AIoo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW There are people that do a combination of solar and wind. Now those antique windmills you see in yards? I found out that for a lot of them, parts for them are still available. There is a VERY interesting Windmill Museum in Shattuck, Oklahoma! There's someone here in SC that has one of those OLD windmills in the front yard. It's hooked up to assist in running the pump for their well. Out in the eastern Texas panhandle and western Oklahoma, where a deep aqauafer ( I can't remember the name of it at the moment) ground water is not that far down. For cattle, it's a windmill, a well pump and a way not to overflow the watering troughs for the cattle. And out west the wind blows a LOT of the time. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 11/21/08, JNR wrote: > I'd love to add solar cells for any station I may own in > the future. I'd be independent of grid electricity > (and could feed excess power back INTO the grid earning $!) > which would be beneficial in a case of emergency where the > line power could become unavailable. Speaking of > alternative power sources, WBCQ derives part of its power > from a wind turbine on premises. > > --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Powell E. Way III > wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: {AMSF} Solar power > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 3:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > The newer solar cells would work under cloudy > conditions, but just not as much output as full sun. Now, > you can plan your system and build it out where it can be > expandable. And remember some states will give you money > back for doing it. > > > > Powell > > > > NNNN > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > --- On Thu, 11/20/08, scottn0bst@usfamily .net > wrote: > > > > > Unless you live in Seattle where it's cloudy most > of the > > > time. Solar does work, but not everywhere. FWIW- I > would > > > install solar if I had the bucks to do it, though > I'd > > > only be able to use it for lighting especially during > the > > > winter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 07:17:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47869 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 15:17:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 15:17:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 15:17:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11373 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2008 15:17:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8jw0DQQVM1muJHLVVNIubF6Glx9iIAhYkxdPd6ubTUWC.z.t.fNC7T8vINxCkNW8D3xI.eZna6S.EEbiJSTlFScg6Y8xanhs9j0U072R2xkmfIzDX_hBFrwJHwHhsitdgX4_TM_BFnxqkvxmcMopohpgvgib3A5HZCp0GAoAIFFUmfWEnVjHRscBvw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.152] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:17:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:17:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <336279D9-B0ED-441A-AC08-567DE2AEFA7C@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <763513.11021.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=dJJttDN-hk_o-yXzKiii-oBk2lFZzQsxFus4yRM7RTs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The strawman that more money for radio would be available is false. There are these folks that think once a license is revoked, they can just walk in and take over. Then they find out they have to start from scratch. And there's a song, who did it, Cuts Both Ways..... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 11/21/08, kevin redding wrote: > I think that licenses should be revoked now. I would be > glad to see > the bands open up for two reasons. The stations left would > be healthy > because there would be less places to split ad dollars and > I like to > DX so a opened up band would make me happy. I think that if > there > were fewer stations the ones that survive will have a lot > better cash > flow without so many places to spend ad money. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 07:23:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31509 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 15:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 15:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 15:23:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64614 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2008 15:23:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uQOCHY0VM1m3lWr8qEYGuyIOrJkrSPo2w4neB1NLV3hlmOVDlQvaUVCvSnZTytBdKkiiabOFKvBKgYCtlpLgpq782oxUr8T.lW8rN_faOPya3wdypgE9DCopFNTzgJh4AtW4jKU6_DPjLs3Dv6c7pdo4fp6Z4JXEO_L_XkC4sqDgkW8MNkb4Auhbzg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.152] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:23:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:23:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <963578.64513.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=X841Cfy6CbZlPLU3VOuLNp9Wne_2PYAzXzWbjaMyRSA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 11/22/08, kevin redding wrote: > > Fewer stations - Fewer jobs. But better DX! > > > > Be careful what you wish for. > > Fewer stations, fewer jobs, more ad dollars for surviving > stations, > better DX. The band will be healthier. Radio will be better > off. > What's not to like? THAT is not true. > That said, any station that is not streaming is insane. The > future is > not steel in the air but bits in the bitstream. Kids > don't listen to > radio. They listen to iPods and the internet. There is a > 802.11 > standard that will send a signal 30 miles. Once this is > finished, > cars can have the internet and drivers can listen to > anything on > earth. The competition for listeners will be global and no > longer > local. It will get harder for those with steel in the air. AND STREAMING FEES ARE EVEN MORE INSANE. > People are listening to the world on iPhones, cell phones, > iPods, > computers at work and everything on earth but the radio. > Whomever > still transmits with steel in the air will have to be > hyperlocal and > will be hoping for their lives there are fewer stations so > they can > get whatever ad dollars they can. > > The times, they are a changin' and those who are not on > the net now > are going to be true roadkill on the side of the > information > superhighway. > > At least a little station like the one Powell Way works at, > WKDK gets > it. They already have a net presence. They are very forward > looking. > > Disregard this at your own peril. Wait until we get hit by the big increase in streaming fees. UGGGH! By the way this afternoon we are carrying a Newberry College basketball game by internet streaming only as we are carrying a football game on the air. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 07:36:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47072 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 15:36:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 15:36:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 15:36:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6561 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2008 15:36:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qb_gxycVM1l4cqRMTH7GN2AL1otovysIi.BZVGNLqZwApQFxutV3MkWH84gbDynG3BvSZFQIF2vlz6ckCxR6N8Dh4iF_A748akuaZVOcLhGUact9dQ17UllF5inAco2b372op58TJEKuO4GOS0pIFibjS6wGjxsEpBDFkVgUeOHDupy0.PNZJMGEqA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.152] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:36:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:36:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <509861.4743.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=wZXK3_hblijkk7qohX87YSdTzuDvvyVcTR9elVUKDWg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Wrong 100%, there were not a lot more jobs. Automation didn't kill jobs, incorrect use of it did. Back then there was NO cable TV with 300 channels, NO satellite radio, NO iPods or mp3 players, no high speed internet, no streaming....shall I go on? All of those are major factors. Without any form of automation most stations would be gone. Hint..... you can't get cart machines now, no tape, parts. You use the automation as a tool. The automation doesn't report out sick with no one to take a shift, etc. Yes, computers do crash, but if you don't have that eventuality taken into mind you are dumb. It's actually less expensive to do MOHD [Music on Hard Drive] with automation yourself. The reason it's done on SAT is it is easier. With syndicated talk shows, my rule would be LIVE only, no reruns on weekends, no time shifting. NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 11/22/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 8:21 AM > I was around when the Fairness Doctrine was in place and as > I recall there > were ALOT MORE jobs that paid ALOT BETTER than today. > That's a fact. What is > killing jobs is automation, syndication, and deregulation, > not fairness. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 07:42:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90623 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 15:42:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 15:42:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 15:42:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27982 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2008 15:42:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lYtkvwcVM1lr6FPWnzhXAhHQOLJjtIfGzvf8rke3wusAuHtpGERyjGsHPzp6x43BasezTz5pftKEGuZry.WgVSz98aEal4cVfb0LKdgeW_thod78SWEGiYUqx4j4N21xZPPe5n_yfOhUq7fs7EDJWahCPOKg.q9oSBVVLEBuCko7DgNS84gAPoge6Q-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.152] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:42:50 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:42:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <753284.36164.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <152981.26947.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=WFO5zsBT4EBtt5Vf_8JQxd_mvAj6BsIFk4SZnf9jcJg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Talk is moving to FM in a very FEW markets. There are FM's doing talk, but they don't remotely cover their market in many cases. Out west a 5000 watt AM station on the low end of the dial has coverage hundreds of miles. There's still music, live and well in some small towns. Why? There is NO and will be NO FM ever. WKDK is an example. And one reason AM is dead for music is the pieces of crap pretending to be radios, and that extends into FM also. I listen to WKDK on my Zenith High Fidelity model X-337. I just recently got another one on Ebay for my October birthday. I also got me a Motorola AM FM that's just about as good. I may fire up AM stereo 1000 this afternoon! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 11/22/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > The real reason AM stations will go dark is talk is moving > to FM in many locations and HD doesn't work well on AM > so far. Music on AM has been dead. About the only thing > you'll hear on AM is religious and mexican programming. > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 07:51:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77375 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 15:51:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 15:51:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 15:51:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16339 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2008 15:51:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VVliN4wVM1mRIgZV9lUzqkhA2kT.H4G76G11mUdbqymNYkm1LCIFOobuDuuCJ_JGekM3gpfk5gmT7zQo750QekWnDRkbU_i6t0SjgxlCcvqHEjIgeFiTA1b9FgBZw13HTBTcd5z8J6K3swOaazRT9GOAKHWj02nZ9o8wQdUfvXeEQAlck4hz_yXIrw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.152] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:51:19 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:51:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <202830.64327.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <529315.16289.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS Engineer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Enq_CxmfgY4fP6qiFDgmXeHJw3G6UcRly6ZkUnPpF_A X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW He was scheduled to retire. His name is Warren Shulz. There was an article on him in one of the radio magazines. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 11/22/08, John P. wrote: > Hello, > Can someone refresh my memory on who is the chief engineer > of WLS-AM ? How about an email address too? > Thanks, > John > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From w6yn@juno.com Sat Nov 22 08:04:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12735 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 16:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 16:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 16:04:42 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUSMNJASDZXGA for (sender ); Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:04:24 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD3TwFFqhBCEYbPUCWxVad5c= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2L56EPS; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:04:02 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:03:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:03:13 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081122.080313.19822.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 14:7:3093745014 X-MAIL-INFO:40e5d56dd56d08fc08002d08212d1d38c15dc5ac09ac0c7891c50d25a51555ecb8acfce54519cdac1921007800e52d19010c3c29397d00413cb9ed38dc71dc7188f888915988c159153c58bc7c5c115c89d93d7ca8d1090518950d5cf838c961e95c61c191d99138596168891cf16cbd293c294c391d4c39493c3985f11ccc5dfc81219c55197d35ec4508057d211901284108418da53da11c0821a599854c854158a53d317ccdb5393d8558ad5ce9d885055ca89ddd9598d8980d2838dc4db8f9add1c891f138f1f868c84d1509692d59ac15c54d4d9155e955c5c5bc08c50dd5e56c791921082131cc6d65 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.149|webmail09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=-UHWTKYuv0egYOXzZDBdpITh_pD95-XumhdXa2Nd4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I agree. Don -- kevin redding wrote: > Fewer stations - Fewer jobs. But better DX! > > Be careful what you wish for. Fewer stations, fewer jobs, more ad dollars for surviving stations,=20=20 better DX. The band will be healthier. Radio will be better off.=20=20 What's not to like? That said, any station that is not streaming is insane. The future is=20=20 not steel in the air but bits in the bitstream. Kids don't listen to=20=20 radio. They listen to iPods and the internet. There is a 802.11=20=20 standard that will send a signal 30 miles. Once this is finished,=20=20 cars can have the internet and drivers can listen to anything on=20=20 earth. The competition for listeners will be global and no longer=20=20 local. It will get harder for those with steel in the air. People are listening to the world on iPhones, cell phones, iPods,=20=20 computers at work and everything on earth but the radio. Whomever=20=20 still transmits with steel in the air will have to be hyperlocal and=20=20 will be hoping for their lives there are fewer stations so they can=20=20 get whatever ad dollars they can. The times, they are a changin' and those who are not on the net now=20=20 are going to be true roadkill on the side of the information=20=20 superhighway. At least a little station like the one Powell Way works at, WKDK gets=20=20 it. They already have a net presence. They are very forward looking. Disregard this at your own peril. Kevin ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Nov 22 08:08:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80478 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 16:08:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 16:08:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173003pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 16:08:47 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KAQ00KH8SUMCBU7@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:08:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:08:46 -0500 To: Message-id: <6D0AA2CC941E43119B8BAAB347D1960D@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=Windows-1252; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <2BC8A9E5-5580-416E-986D-B66810F58627@yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=SciOpeEB_kElMZ-xDkUNAXjNfExma9fXv1DjoKJtGj6gjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 And the crazier the far right listeners become, the more marginalized the Republican Party becomes. The long term prospects for the Party don't look good. Dick W. _______________________________ The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman By Jay Bookman | Thursday, November 20, 2008, 11:38 AM The Atlanta Journal-Constitution In fact, if you had to design someone to perfectly epitomize their deepest fears, Obama would be it. Over the next four to eight years, he’s destined to make Limbaugh, Hannity and their ilk even richer than they are today, and make their listeners seem even more crazy. From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 22 08:33:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99289 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 16:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 16:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 16:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cc9.4229149d (65097) for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:33:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:33:29 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=bDudh26ZeoOYs9uYEieohpLRfqZg1jf2tlnnAya7J7OMqOcklGpSlx7EXjAuwjGX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/22/2008 7:56:26 AM Central Standard Time, clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk writes: > About the only thing you'll hear on AM is religious and mexican > programming. > > And sports. Mike ************** One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=ne w-dp%26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 22 10:37:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57405 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 18:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 18:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 18:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.84] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081122123644002114500010.0) with SMTP id <20081122123644002114500010> for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:36:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002501c94cd1$963c9b80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:36:44 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=5OCvC8nQbZ25ZjB8pgiRI1rtuOqF6J19aR9g4SIs2s-6C7Kt7JYu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So was I. And I also remember there wasn't as much competition, either. This was before the 80-90 stations, ipods, PCs, etc. I also remember that talk radio didn't interest me as much back then. The only two I really cared for were Ira Fistell, center to center-left, and Ray Briem, the only true conservative on KSTP at the time. The only reason I heard him is because he was aired during my shift on the overnights. And Paul Harvey when I was fortunate enough to catch him. Even back then fully half, if not more of their schedule, was off the bird. They were live mornings and afternoon drive with the likes of Michael Jackson (ABC network) putting me to sleep middays. There was a limited amount of localism even during the so-called golden years of radio. Many stations spent much of their days on the network. I think it could be seriously argued that no more than 1/3 of the schedule could be demanded as local. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I was around when the Fairness Doctrine was in place and as I recall there were ALOT MORE jobs that paid ALOT BETTER than today. That's a fact. What is killing jobs is automation, syndication, and deregulation, not fairness. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sat Nov 22 12:29:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45135 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 20:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 20:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.147) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 20:29:21 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W7 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s8.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:29:21 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:29:20 +0000 Importance: High MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2008 20:29:21.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[0025A730:01C94CE1] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: 45 Years Ago Today; Friday, 22 November 1963; the Day We Were All Americans and the part radio played X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=8_QexROWUYti5Ru2NjspscM5LLTZd40TYNeGRUWBDVRKFc35ed0uxAaDQfs X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 45 Years ago today was a day, that people on this list about age 48, 49 or older will never forget; much like September 11th, 2001; or Pearl Harbor (7 Dec 1941) would have been for our parents and grandparents. It was a day that everyone seemed stunned and many people were crying; others were fearful of what might be next as far; possibly even an enemy attack . (would Russia bomb us while we seemed preoccupied and especially vulnerable?) I was in junior high and the announcements over the P.A. system were surreal; it was as though this couldn't have possibly been happening. I know radio and TV gave all of us constant coverage of the ongoing events and many people saw Lee Harvey Oswald shot by Jack Ruby on live TV. One of the local (the number 1 station in St. Petersburg/Tampa at the time) stations WLCY which was a top 40 station, suspended all regular programming for the entire weekend and all day Monday and played very somber music, (no commercials at all) and the only interruption to the somber music was top of the hour news updates. (The BBC did the same when Princess Di was killed in the vehicle crash) The visual of John F Kennedy Jr, on his 3rd birthday watching the funeral service for his father and saluting his casket was something that was very emotional as well, but that tragedy seemed to bring us together and even strangers in the street that weekend would talk to each other and share their thoughts and concerns. I know NBC radio (which had many affiliates then) had wall to wall coverage that pre-empted their regular "Monitor" programming. It is a day and a long weekend I will never forget. Donn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 13:05:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46796 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 21:05:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 21:05:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 21:05:25 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 21:05:25 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.246] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 21:05:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 21:05:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 118927.65056.bm@omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 74807 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 21:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.161 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 21:05:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 69SdaX0VM1kQQnGqUn.t0Zhp5LOPgFmnn5J4SJsmbsClflerYOk4P4PiyNe_cU5hlTycgaKi67Wy9yMFB66GbcGKbsYuQ8PvbJ8xOydrfvlNT_1zwPLwhnfKBYunRAYX9u9WPlwAF3Swl_MXSFgFe0xiUV5zJqTpWKYQRw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081122.080313.19822.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> References: <20081122.080313.19822.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <178EB613-E0CD-434E-9777-82DAB288495C@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:05:21 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=WMaqL3KnDAd8Ox8Mcub3yTAWUla7g7LOBXDaJb_XT7o92vwZVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 22, 2008, at 4:03 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > I agree. Hell hath done froze over! We agreed on something. Maybe thats why it was so cold here in Tennessee. It was 18F at my house last night. I hope your stations are streaming, Don. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 13:09:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40085 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 21:09:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 21:09:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.48) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 21:09:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 21:09:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.248] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 21:09:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 21:09:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 388211.90611.bm@omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 34144 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 21:09:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.161 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 21:09:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: n3_h44EVM1li6apo1d.kHGkqOmPFJuJ5pGCeoNUmC7NhMDror0tNhACsk_UmRSdhGcD7hsoY5hAFBuwfXaG8.WqL7FaoN.E5Q6CkmjnB2SrBoJ82xWqF82fNml02.dqZIC62HohpOrrceKQUdCNfYB3sBpHcq1MVJdnAKA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <6D0AA2CC941E43119B8BAAB347D1960D@your4dacd0ea75> References: <2BC8A9E5-5580-416E-986D-B66810F58627@yahoo.com> <6D0AA2CC941E43119B8BAAB347D1960D@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1443B002-811E-483A-8F16-EC42DD2729AC@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:09:32 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=XeYWBJ5Xpaw9Otbk3-Zq3Ens_utlfnf8vhEP6UOaNaBD-LlJTw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > And the crazier the far right listeners become, the more > marginalized the > Republican Party becomes. The long term prospects for the Party > don't look > good. Republicans have to realize that their ideas and goals were fine for the 1960s and 1970s time has passed by them. They went so far in their greed that they hurt the workers too much by giving it ALL to the rich. They have brought us to the brink of deep economic depression. I am intensely pleased to see that the people FINALLY spoke and let the Republicans know of their broad, overarching, and powerful wrath at what they have done. If they don't reinvent themselves RADICALLY then they will be in the same history books as the Whigs and Know Nothing party. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 13:10:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33753 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 21:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 21:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.51) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 21:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 21:10:49 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.243] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 21:10:49 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2008 21:10:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 834568.55474.bm@omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 17965 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 21:10:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.161 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 21:10:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: d_pvy8oVM1nG.MdvkIVqZKb3m.JJpa4crYIl1fzC6ElxzCFZwdjMpI1.S2bbLpZipf31T7j3XiuVoBMdEApK9dMALz1x3XoEN7enXeCCl1SPB12LgMgtQjXPGqH.V6tqT3dWoKzCaASk5Q8eF68Cf5DiDv0hpQSl4v6kfXhMKEMkwpObdJrWo0Yg2Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <002501c94cd1$963c9b80$d503fea9@stodd> References: <002501c94cd1$963c9b80$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:10:48 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=uU5rMidVsAiRjVoGPlXjltHF48x3PVixz-8yD2HKmUhZ1iEC_w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla I listened to both of these and remember that Ray Briem would have a DX show every year. Kevin On Nov 22, 2008, at 12:36 PM, wrote: > The only two I really cared for were Ira Fistell, center to center- > left, and Ray Briem, the only true conservative on KSTP at the time. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 22 13:25:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6843 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 21:25:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 21:25:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 21:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.84] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081122152511000383500014.0) with SMTP id <20081122152511000383500014> for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:25:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009801c94ce9$1f2b6b80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <002501c94cd1$963c9b80$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:25:11 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=IbL849Mndiw9LgmaTH3CitU3ESjFVZqvz67tT0mSNpjGV9wBHMQR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That and ham radio too. Wish I had been more aggressive in getting an HF ham station on the air. Would have been great to try and work him. IIRC his calls were K6FFT Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy I listened to both of these and remember that Ray Briem would have a DX show every year. Kevin On Nov 22, 2008, at 12:36 PM, wrote: > The only two I really cared for were Ira Fistell, center to center- > left, and Ray Briem, the only true conservative on KSTP at the time. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Nov 22 15:08:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20540 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2008 23:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2008 23:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2008 23:08:26 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so621758ywb.43 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:08:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.103.3 with SMTP id a3mr1229488agc.95.1227395305903; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:08:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.32.99.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.32.99.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.32.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w43sm4360680hsa.4.2008.11.22.15.05.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:08:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <7500F2B7-3DE7-4C35-A67F-6B61478069B5@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <873266.51548.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:01:50 -0500 References: <873266.51548.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=CGv6k9w2AB5dgLc1Jerpg-_teVSdqBkUDf9JDSydEkM96nVWAIsTwnDjqHW5Zw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 22, 2008, at 8:52 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Hmm but we know what he means by BHO, he's trying to insult Obama. Now I don't like Obama any more than any other person, but how in HELL is calling him by his NAME or Initials an insult? Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 22 16:46:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76658 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 00:46:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 00:46:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 00:46:13 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.20] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081122184547003058600010.0) with SMTP id <20081122184547003058600010> for ; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:45:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00a801c94d05$26066ba0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <002501c94cd1$963c9b80$d503fea9@stodd> <009801c94ce9$1f2b6b80$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:45:47 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=F08_k27bCJaJ-ggTpLLVD_EoTmgNb-zmHfxDQoJs8vlwFy0qxxAu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit correction- N6FFT st ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy That and ham radio too. Wish I had been more aggressive in getting an HF ham station on the air. Would have been great to try and work him. IIRC his calls were K6FFT Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy I listened to both of these and remember that Ray Briem would have a DX show every year. Kevin On Nov 22, 2008, at 12:36 PM, wrote: > The only two I really cared for were Ira Fistell, center to center- > left, and Ray Briem, the only true conservative on KSTP at the time. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sat Nov 22 17:22:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53185 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 01:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 01:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 01:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUTNBBAKRPDPA for (sender ); Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:21:37 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD7+tNKhd3WM3PbSvnaRO3ek= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2M5234S; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:21:27 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:20:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:20:13 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081122.172013.9008.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:4117994149 X-MAIL-INFO:5dde1a8b5f6e275f5737ef0a1b6edb1fce7f0203131b8fbf X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Jobs in Jeopardy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=pwZ3J3lEY5NmkCsWvF4RMtNiWjdssxsTyw0trg1O-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn No station steaming. The business is to provide a rich return of local cust= omers for local advertisers. Steaming does not enhance that objective. Under development are plans to stream unique not simulcasted programing so= on. Plans for additional required studio space are in the architects hands = as I write.=20 Don -- Kevin redding wrote: On Nov 22, 2008, at 4:03 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > I agree. Hell hath done froze over! We agreed on something. Maybe thats why it=20=20 was so cold here in Tennessee. It was 18F at my house last night. I hope your stations are streaming, Don. Kevin =20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 19:11:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60281 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 03:11:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 03:11:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.141) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 03:11:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2008 03:11:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2008 03:11:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:11:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <543483.8333.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.56 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Solar power X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=M5b0fBwKkXyDw90Ec-Jcb_JOq2NjBcFQjB2ex-5vHEkKwfj8Xw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III"=20 wrote: > > There are people that do a combination of solar and wind. Now=20 those antique windmills you see in yards? I found out that for a=20 lot of them, parts for them are still available. There is a VERY=20 interesting Windmill Museum in Shattuck, Oklahoma!=20=20 >=20 > There's someone here in SC that has one of those OLD windmills in=20 the front yard. It's hooked up to assist in running the pump for=20 their well. Out in the eastern Texas panhandle and western Oklahoma,=20 where a deep aqauafer ( I can't remember the name of it at the=20 moment) ground water is not that far down. For cattle, it's a=20 windmill, a well pump and a way not to overflow the watering troughs=20 for the cattle. And out west the wind blows a LOT of the time.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell Here, in Chile, there isn't an official politic to help to use=20 this "new" technologies. I've been asking about it and the solar cells (only to the daylight=20 time, not batteries backup systems) are in... a reasonable price=20 band. Not the wind (mills) systems, its price is still prohibitive=20 to us. So... maybe next year when I'll get my new TX... maybe I will be=20 able to use solar power. At least, is one of my whishes. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 04:52:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63529 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 12:52:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 12:52:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 12:52:26 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2008 12:52:25 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2008 12:52:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2008 12:52:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 641136.75373.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 80769 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 12:52:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.161 with plain) by smtp119.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 12:52:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lQnJWmsVM1l4LE6RCVxQQW_OqVnKlUP49IhTMhYxwQsV3T2K59GEAHIrAOq7ZG7Lskxfjh2uxo.MdAB0DRTV3r0Y2Ef8vKGAxFqcSUqy5_ZaNlPjvvNaf6ByvktC8yDRKoEvFpM0knRwdm9lGZsWtuxp2VHReMmKKT.Q0igQm_LVh1uybkZ4NcvkEJ_RW0M9cP4MTfg9FZvPNpA6pWxGkRMQd8dk X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <7F1F0072-50AD-467E-8368-3C3A281C4AAC@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:52:24 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=PH9iLIQCaTAovHc1eN92yowpz4VkUUGnkBr7M5PTNaI-W1Ukug X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit U.S. Tax Dollar At Work General Motors to Invest $1 Billion in Brazil Operations -- Money to Come from U.S. Rescue Program By Russ Dallen Latin American Herald Tribune staff General Motors plans to invest $1 billion in Brazil to avoid the kind of problems the U.S. automaker is facing in its home market, said the beleaguered car maker. According to the president of GM Brazil-Mercosur, Jaime Ardila, the funding will come from the package of financial aid that the manufacturer will receive from the U.S. government and will be used to "complete the renovation of the line of products up to 2012." http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=320909&CategoryId=12396 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Nov 23 05:30:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63870 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 13:30:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 13:30:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 13:30:21 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so685932ywa.84 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:30:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.144.17 with SMTP id r17mr4946872ybd.186.1227447020739; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:30:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.33.219.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.33.219.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm3613161ywn.0.2008.11.23.05.30.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:30:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7F1F0072-50AD-467E-8368-3C3A281C4AAC@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:30:05 -0500 References: <7F1F0072-50AD-467E-8368-3C3A281C4AAC@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=4zmmP8ET2xtxe-0bbETkCdA7K3mEPoYfoOm7QrMGoxxC6CQFBScDWy3kqFfYXg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:52 AM, kevin redding wrote: > General Motors to Invest $1 Billion in Brazil Operations -- Money to > Come from U.S. Rescue Program I never was for the bailout. If the big 3 can no longer meet consumer needs, perhaps they should die and make room for small innovative companies such as Crosley to make our cars. That being said, the government should make SURE any bailout money is earmarked ONLY for use in the US, and for certain projects such as near Zero Emissions cars, High MPG, Alternative Fuels, and what have you. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 06:14:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83645 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 14:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 14:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.234) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 14:14:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29916 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2008 14:14:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5m.GI3sVM1mK_cVGRFvWA8g5G1fVL6sKGibLDEnRlajpktdUrqNY.F3wyUBw01rCZ52WKoEBDdSHY_20oyvz1U4C5UH6kfR4qu24z2H1mJjPFTjyFgC9zePK0.QquzlvD4jeXtgP1tiwJj_LbR39U6svFht2y25Rik6BnyswoMUtGZpBfS0zqjgYbZk- X-Received: from [70.109.220.74] by web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:14:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:14:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <91F8A06A-14C6-4D0D-9520-8DADA0BFCE84@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <514935.28018.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was: How American Right Wing Radio Works, now: impotent F.C.C.! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=gOQ7ZFteoLj6OK82Uk_JiFtyeZmVf4ZA52cIYFm-opY7dvEXS3mp X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The F.C.C. hasn't done anything about the pirates here in New England.=A0 I= n the town of Brockton, Ma. alone there are pirates on 1710, 89.3, 94.9 & 9= 6.5.=A0 In Providence they can be found on 96.7 & 103.1.=A0 Fall River, Ma.= has a Spanish religious pirate on 89.1 with an 89.3 about 15mi. away.=A0 W= henever the F.C.C. DOES fine someone, the fine is almost always knocked dow= n to a lower amount.=A0 You'd figure they wouldn't do that & go after MORE = pirates just to raise income! --- On Thu, 11/20/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} How American Right Wing Radio Works To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 8:59 PM =20=20=20=20 > Had the FCC done > so, the Congress could take away their funding leaving them=20=20 > powerless to > enforce their rules. I got yelled at, so I know there's at least a=20=20 > grain of > truth in this article. Forget the rest of the stuff you said that I don't agree with... This part I do agree with. The FCC has been raped for so long that=20=20 they have become nothing more than a vestigial part of the Commerce=20=20 Dept. They have no engineers at the top. They have lawyers that don't=20=20 know jack shit running things. The FCC has no money for enforcement.=20=20 They cant' enforce standards and barely can keep up with and issue=20=20 frequencies they have been screwed so badly on funding. I would love the FCC to have some power again and enforce rules and=20=20 laws. If nothing else, the money would help a tiny bit on helping out=20=20 the amount of money in the Treasury. I know some stations that need=20=20 to have their asses kicked up between their shoulder blades to wake=20=20 them up. The toothless FCC can't do crap because they don't have money. Kevin =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 06:24:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7917 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 14:24:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 14:24:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.142) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 14:24:09 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2008 14:24:09 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.242] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2008 14:24:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2008 14:24:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 334370.24157.bm@omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 91399 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 14:24:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.111.161 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 14:24:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1YFrE4kVM1mxvgFDYqMkuHwO8ds3v2k3qy.vpaqPhDpQZ5zK9PaA4NQ24YItS0IsihuXaI3nK9z6Ip33.Leqt4xc0eGCp3gbq_WBd52Kk_tZyBQHq1FKxnTd6wRbhflgE8FY791nOoO8D7g7tWP_iGt9hY91WyMvDSVvXA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <7F1F0072-50AD-467E-8368-3C3A281C4AAC@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6AA681DD-503E-4415-9F96-489804271B9F@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:24:07 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Bailout: What I would like to see... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=vKa8EUwF17imnSdBAUfG3I9iPw6MHePqkIowre9Sq1R1MLYN8g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > That being said, the government should make SURE any bailout money is > earmarked ONLY for use in the US, and for certain projects such as > near Zero Emissions cars, High MPG, Alternative Fuels, and what have > you. If I were Exalted Emperor of the American Empire.... I would tell them you ain't getting $25 billion until you show your profits and losses with full transparency ALL OVER THE WORLD. If other parts of GM, Ford and Chrysler are making profit, let them take care of North American divisions not the taxpayers. The money MUST be ONLY used in the United States if they are to get a bail out loan. They are going to pay interest. I would pass federal laws that REQUIRE the car companies to make electric cars that will go at least 125 miles on a charge. They have made cars that went 100 miles on a charge in 1996, they can do it again. At least 2% or more of all cars sold will be totally electric. I also would tell them their choice would be to make hybrid cars that get at least 5% better gas mileage than their liquid fuel/ natural gas automobiles. They WILL sell at least 5% of these cars if they want to get a loan. There is to be no bailout they are going to pay interest. Their gasoline powered vehicles WILL meet a CAFE standard of 37 MPG within 5 years. This can be done. The auto companies will sell 3% of their cars or more that can run on natural gas. The car companies will sell at least 25% of their cars that can run on as much as 85% ethanol. This means for them, they at least have to have 2% electric , 5% hybrid, 3% natural gas, and 25% using up to 85% ethanol. They would have to make 35% of their cars alternative fuels of some sort. On top of that, the gasoline/liquid fueled cars have to get 37 MPG. Here is the one I like. NO ONE IN MANAGEMENT MAKING OVER $100,000 A YEAR WILL RECEIVE ANY BONUS OVER $5000 IN ONE YEAR. NO ONE IN MAKING OVER $200,000 A YEAR WILL RECEIVE ANY BONUS. NO EMPLOYEE OF THE BIG 3 WILL RECEIVE A BONUS OVER $5000. The Big 3 will sell its corporate jets. Workers will take an immediate 5% pay cut until the loan is paid in full. Salaried workers will take an immediate 20% pay cut until the bail out loan is paid in full. The Board of Directors will take a 50% pay cut until the loan is paid in full and all stipulations are met. If the loan is not paid in full within 7 years, the government seizes the companies and assets of the Big 3. If the agreed upon stipulations are not met by the dates provided, the government seizes the companies and assets of the Big 3. If they can agree to do this, I could consider giving them the money. The workers have to give something, salaried gives something, the Board of Directors who should just be shot out in the middle of the road at noon gives up half their pay and corporate jets. I do NOT want to see working people taking the brunt of the corporate honcho's fuck up. They need to pay for their misdeeds. Even with all this, it would be exceptionally difficult to give them the money. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Sun Nov 23 08:04:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89589 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 16:04:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 16:04:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 16:04:24 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail01.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.141]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUU9Y6AXCR6UJ for (sender ); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:03:40 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD6HUufXMLK+vNGscEq3Y9R8= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail01.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2PQH5L6; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:03:29 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail01.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:02:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:02:34 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081123.080234.27022.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 10:5:1566994148 X-MAIL-INFO: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 858581a8a9a83131fcf8312818ddf598dc88f888ccd1c848 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.141|webmail01.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=zsH28TxgTmdKvuWaRG-lLqyBCQ4sj_NToVlfUgukaA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Chapter 11 Bankruptcy law provides for restructuring that will allow the co= mpanies to dump bad investments, renegotiate contracts, sell unneeded asset= s and fire inept management under court supervision. Done. No bailout or loans needed. Don=20 -- kevin redding wrote: U.S. Tax Dollar At Work General Motors to Invest $1 Billion in Brazil Operations -- Money to=20=20 Come from U.S. Rescue Program By Russ Dallen Latin American Herald Tribune staff General Motors plans to invest $1 billion in Brazil to avoid the kind=20=20 of problems the U.S. automaker is facing in its home market, said the=20=20 beleaguered car maker. According to the president of GM Brazil-Mercosur, Jaime Ardila, the=20=20 funding will come from the package of financial aid that the=20=20 manufacturer will receive from the U.S. government and will be used=20=20 to "complete the renovation of the line of products up to 2012." http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=3D320909&CategoryId=3D12396 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sun Nov 23 09:01:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51298 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 17:01:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 17:01:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms046pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.46) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 17:01:42 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KAS008B3PYS68Y2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:01:42 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:01:40 -0500 To: Message-id: <9883493C760346848A9A04BC9DD35B9F@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20081123.080234.27022.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.46 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=ETRiorBPKcyR1ryIJxkKIR9vA024MiRzgmbQ_PldZklfew X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good theory - just like deregulation (or unregulation) sounded good. I've heard the tales my father has told about his life during the great depression. No one in his right mind would want to repeat that nightmare. I don't know what the right choices are right now, but it's time to forget about ideology and make practical, working choices, whatever we can agree upon. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? Chapter 11 Bankruptcy law provides for restructuring that will allow the companies to dump bad investments, renegotiate contracts, sell unneeded assets and fire inept management under court supervision. Done. No bailout or loans needed. Don -- kevin redding wrote: U.S. Tax Dollar At Work General Motors to Invest $1 Billion in Brazil Operations -- Money to Come from U.S. Rescue Program By Russ Dallen Latin American Herald Tribune staff General Motors plans to invest $1 billion in Brazil to avoid the kind of problems the U.S. automaker is facing in its home market, said the beleaguered car maker. According to the president of GM Brazil-Mercosur, Jaime Ardila, the funding will come from the package of financial aid that the manufacturer will receive from the U.S. government and will be used to "complete the renovation of the line of products up to 2012." http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=320909&CategoryId=12396 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sun Nov 23 09:31:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26713 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 17:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 17:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 17:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUVE5RABGNQTS for (sender ); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:31:27 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDy5Y7jInT4Zzsxx7yWwhhCA= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2PVJTAP; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:31:14 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:31:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:31:01 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081123.093101.16346.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:363209183 X-MAIL-INFO:20c848c848b588c159c5c1f115f9d1a99589bc3d7cdd5db995a9ac7c984895f5dca9e9a8c1b5 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=g8gh43ifwY2y27OPzyrlK-OxFtwGAatbyuSxT4qSVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Bailouts have been tried in the auto industry, and they don=92t work. In th= e 1970s, Britain=92s Leyland hit the skids, hurt by slipping quality in its= vehicles and imports from Germany and Japan. Sound familiar? Leyland, whic= h made MGs, Jaguars and mass-market cars, accounted for 36 percent of the U= K market. So the government sunk in $16.5 billion to keep it afloat. The re= sult? Unless you=92re a car buff, you=92ve probably never heard of Leyland,= because it no longer exists.=20 Don -- kevin redding wrote: U.S. Tax Dollar At Work General Motors to Invest $1 Billion in Brazil Operations -- Money to=20=20 Come from U.S. Rescue Program By Russ Dallen Latin American Herald Tribune staff General Motors plans to invest $1 billion in Brazil to avoid the kind=20=20 of problems the U.S. automaker is facing in its home market, said the=20=20 beleaguered car maker. According to the president of GM Brazil-Mercosur, Jaime Ardila, the=20=20 funding will come from the package of financial aid that the=20=20 manufacturer will receive from the U.S. government and will be used=20=20 to "complete the renovation of the line of products up to 2012." http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=3D320909&CategoryId=3D12396 From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 09:59:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93718 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 17:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 17:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 17:59:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29065 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2008 17:59:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AjuTJjUVM1mF9FdAe2EMv8kOHW8DjQnFUl3NKepPWcDP2FHlJkD6qO2FtfHTA2ApkYwAwYemaQ3kupUZefP_RYKIQmblHkAV.2xddbTIXICqmohZrdlLT_Xl921h7sOeisEVBVlVJwJ7QT5g23I7eHssroReCzCb9cmIBsTmPlIjaNPUHNi87CfQjQ-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.55] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:59:02 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:59:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081123.080234.27022.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <101074.27682.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=L3OnEAEuzqxT-1scRZ8p_i_IZFLEMArBBNzZxNSSQ6c X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Under normal circumstances this would work. The banks are sitting on all the money the got or are getting. Filing bankruptcy, they'd get nada. ANY of the big 3 going will close down ALL domestic auto and truck manufacturing as the suppliers would go out of business. Then we'd end up with a loss of 5 million jobs, and a VERY severe national security threat. It's a VERY perilous situation. And there were those against the bank bailouts. Yeah, obviously they never heard of the great depression, either. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/23/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Chapter 11 Bankruptcy law provides for restructuring that > will allow the companies to dump bad investments, > renegotiate contracts, sell unneeded assets and fire inept > management under court supervision. > > Done. > > No bailout or loans needed. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 10:02:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8747 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 18:02:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 18:02:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 18:02:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46961 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2008 18:02:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6bc3M.IVM1kDsYQhoI0wdXnenxcpkKIDUxeuju.p9Y071sFML2Ec_h68RhIbDZuzCXElFxZnFhpKKItiBL7rpp5AaeNDunRqf7CgrUB0kMhHjfuF.FRaEV7ljkfGds4O6_n_0v2xoP1cEfe5Ky.diCK19glqvHOL2yZchCNP5c_hZfaPRG9.M59sWA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.55] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:02:10 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:02:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081123.093101.16346.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <390234.46707.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Yd7GCDgr9tH9esunzrhMzu7kKWDWyHeZSy293Um_7_U X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Yes, but this is a different story. A failure here of one would take EVERY = one out.Toyota, Nissan and Mercedes and BMW would have to close their US pl= ants. Big truck manufacturers would also likely go out too. Do we want to r= isk that? In my town there would then be NO dealers to sell cars.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/23/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 12:31 PM > Bailouts have been tried in the auto industry, and they > don=E2=80=99t work. In the 1970s, Britain=E2=80=99s Leyland hit the > skids, hurt by slipping quality in its vehicles and imports > from Germany and Japan. Sound familiar? Leyland, which made > MGs, Jaguars and mass-market cars, accounted for 36 percent > of the UK market. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=bo0uyFWSR83aYDX84bg9IaLh2U1NbskEcH3_rb1IYxoPOt2yZA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Ford in one of its bits of stupidity bought it. Kevin On Nov 23, 2008, at 5:31 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > The result? Unless you=92re a car buff, you=92ve probably never heard = =20 > of Leyland, because it no longer exists. From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 13:24:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27638 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 21:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 21:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 21:24:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76288 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2008 21:24:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pGwt2VcVM1n8CYOUJM7K8J9chuzSCB3nqP_wnRa2K5.tx49ZaVxuYi0if.m1VDHdsBuXn.3oOj2esVIZOJdPZEPYhN4gatORkuIgQf91yRL8yDduXkDfC2LbmTjklm_4KC_qwLvLQYtQy5P7H5wmVRk9JQwxN835BE17dlvUDxx__XgD6dPeL7bChg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:24:39 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:24:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <242692.34999.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=eeQgBm4FTlFRYJZ7NvitPVosqJacJaM3apCJuN-ucN4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW They were after Jaguar. Got them back to respectability. And then there's Range Rover....... BMW bit on that one. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/23/08, kevin redding wrote: > Ford in one of its bits of stupidity bought it. > Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Sun Nov 23 15:41:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24997 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2008 23:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2008 23:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2008 23:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail02.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.142]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUV4SJAPJ4TNS for (sender ); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:40:56 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9JnhY6leTmmh3yC/XxBt4w= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail02.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2QJM9Y6; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:40:07 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail02.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:39:20 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:39:20 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081123.153920.18635.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 9:4:49004069 X-MAIL-INFO:1c9838c138c1c961c96891c95991c54985119da828a8e8dccd9dd1a99c7cdd1825a86198b54878a8485968dc68989148f1e85d4d0dc8681c5d19e5493c583c58b8f9b8cd3db8853d7c5d554579006500b941e9790129287d0c8dd100f949812cd9002c85cd41cd493d2c35b9bced95694d5d4d150dc5150d095d0dccedbcd811616c59addd48c8d518b5c97dc85948f16d1cc91c899ce9f5bcc9599ceccc15cc1c559ce9b17978990de9cc552100d91dcc7d0001084c8da51da5d16d493c3125a1212939cded49edf93539317c2875913da87c9d3131cdddd9dd9d9d45c99dd1389895884859c959b1d8c171 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.142|webmail02.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=E58FmTRlwvhfsOzyrnsHhq--V_wb-xsBs1QbVONqtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn It appears you do not understand Chapter 11. -- "Powell E. Way III" wrote: Under normal circumstances this would work. The banks are sitting on all th= e money the got or are getting. Filing bankruptcy, they'd get nada. ANY of = the big 3 going will close down ALL domestic auto and truck manufacturing a= s the suppliers would go out of business. Then we'd end up with a loss of 5= million jobs, and a VERY severe national security threat. It's a VERY peri= lous situation. And there were those against the bank bailouts. Yeah, obvio= usly they never heard of the great depression, either.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/23/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Chapter 11 Bankruptcy law provides for restructuring that > will allow the companies to dump bad investments, > renegotiate contracts, sell unneeded assets and fire inept > management under court supervision. >=20 > Done. >=20 > No bailout or loans needed. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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(big_h00pla@75.121.111.161 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 00:33:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aNpbv0QVM1nlx_TPUSSG1lEPEpUPFQWtllL2sTmBAASZOrDDMWNsqQvoVS1OR6xsyMNjDjTmnb4QqymCk.WKO1Gp5lM6_wBj7N18v_ZGa12fuHZXmUftNxDQkzqdKnKmwHX2GV4SUNTbrrfMDtCSMHTNt31.D5M9_6LNrQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <152981.26947.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <152981.26947.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:33:56 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Fairness Doctrine boogeyman X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=EVbLubqxwCZwNigFslgUZKGBuXiUbxlyT_kUdzWNvnC23a_M-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 22, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Talk is moving to FM in a very FEW markets. There are FM's doing > talk, but they don't remotely cover their market in many cases. There are three stations out here in the middle of nowhere in West Tennessee running talk formats. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 18:05:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93804 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 02:05:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 02:05:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 02:05:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57962 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2008 02:05:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aPobOckVM1khd3yZvqA7ZSQFTOzldFycVaGieP2v.h1P_BkPVXIMT.61URVhCjKMSLh.KDO0xQiSqPfzNNzMglPTKSL0UcnA8O0WzyWYZmUyLTnRUQBKE6Masygev13GRjMlccryIUKmZrCxNaxs8Eo9Gga95mxgmP_.aNbkx_2JqynAbmR7U8.pMw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.40] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:05:40 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:05:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081123.153920.18635.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <175488.57605.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=t7BL4dUfh2L5TntW6_YK_4DLNESz_aftR-Kr2v0TBUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I do, but in THESE times it would immediately lead to chapter 7. And then everything unravels. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/23/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 6:39 PM > It appears you do not understand Chapter 11. From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 23 20:03:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16916 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 04:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 04:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 04:03:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2200 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2008 04:03:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: K4VcUr4VM1nPc6gNZxQQRX_TZvkWAswSjsBlVwcMf8P7B2HVuRgQ5cWO4C85HewFgBS8LhCxippfPJjm1EYnJWDmjVTaA.KabXDsuqpHjLUXJkOoSVWWYwBWbedxFM_RzdFSveDJLFDZgRuPL5p26gn3QaxD8mWrji4LxnwERZKGcVc- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:03:36 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:03:36 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7500F2B7-3DE7-4C35-A67F-6B61478069B5@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <341993.1067.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=i81crcH6qpaodiifbgsYeDEwYasIZ2EWTSWqnU-3qOEo2mw1YiFG X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Because all of these right wing nuts have been using his middle name of "hu= ssein" as an insult as if he were somehow connected with Sadam Hussein.=A0 = This has been going on for months.=A0=20 --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 6:01 PM On Nov 22, 2008, at 8:52 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Hmm but we know what he means by BHO, he's trying to insult Obama. Now I don't like Obama any more than any other person, but how in HELL=20 is calling him by his NAME or Initials an insult? Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 20:29:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67618 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 04:29:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 04:29:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.134.39) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 04:29:27 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 04:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 04:27:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 04:27:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:27:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20081123.080234.27022.1@webmail01.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.134.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.93 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=gfW3a-0xP917GgudXGZsMgbt5uarpm1Lwh0a8rF4WJSJ72nauA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury"=20 wrote: > > Chapter 11 Bankruptcy law provides for restructuring that will=20 allow the companies to dump bad investments, renegotiate contracts,=20 sell unneeded assets and fire inept management under court=20 supervision. >=20 > Done. >=20 Does this chapter let a USA company moves its money from another=20 country to get more cheap labour, to pay less taxes and to make a=20 low quality product? IS IT THE FUTURE PROGRESS? If this is the reality, then I have a very good solution to all the=20 AM Stereo problem: JUST TAKE ALL YOUR USA AM RADIOS AND COME HERE=20 (latin america)!!! Here we still have a radio paradise. Here we=20 still have music in AM. Here the power is still... payable. Here=20 there isn't an official regulation about AM stereo so you can=20 transmit with Kahn, C-QUAM, or any other system, BUT... IS IT "THE" REAL SOLUTION TO THE DEEP CENTRAL PROBLEM??? Does someone have the answer? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 20:35:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10074 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 04:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 04:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.133) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 04:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n6.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 04:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 04:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 04:35:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:35:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.133 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.93 From: "jotape1960" Subject: An historic question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=U7LjOmDXvJdOs-cR-p-15H7NEQ6ZfurRzeqAMzC4rK9z9MzxQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! Some help, please: In YouTube you can find a Ray Charles live performance of "Hit The=20 Road Jack", in some TV-Radio station. But there isn't what exactly=20 it was. Can somebody light me about it? It's intended because I suspect this version was the latin america=20 mono version I knew. The today CD version is a very different=20 mixdown. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 04:14:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96627 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 12:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 12:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n60.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.40) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 12:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n60.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 12:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 12:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 12:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 12:14:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 262314.16852.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 35693 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 12:14:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.200 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 12:14:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: v9hXSGUVM1kc3r4caOs91LunJa3CJMkg_fIhIqJITGd_pfD9vxHTvJSergbVwqaCEMeTlJoPa8IhpFVHrESvo59LhsS1FhlS_KHqdzrGo1ntQye4sW29gRSgtioTZb5FxrI63xjhPAsI9P3mUwMlNh2AjeZIn25HGZ3YmA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <341993.1067.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <341993.1067.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:14:25 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=zcQgzgxJwYZ3hxQttuMGlRBR3tr5MVUQO7RLziTff8lKMyr1NQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Because all of these right wing nuts have been using his middle > name of "hussein" as an insult as if he were somehow connected with > Sadam Hussein. This has been going on for months. This would never have been an issue if Republicans were not so damn retarded and stuck in Junior High School even as adults and refused to admit the man is Christian even after he was on TV and radio dozens of time proclaiming Jesus as his savior. No need to argue about this, the Republicans are just too stupid to understand. Not enough brain power. Just like some people with nuclear power. Scared of their own shadows. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 04:25:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52715 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 12:25:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 12:25:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 12:25:13 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 12:25:04 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 12:25:12 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 12:25:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 928092.7524.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 64659 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 12:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.200 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 12:25:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jJ._3rYVM1klAxKnDYnQdyeb46DF4RK9x1cduo63UCOWoZS7hbiR6ijPed8zJOr8FfL3knxsEhTrK4x44mzrJU_EIzU.5SbUhEAuj3ECits2T6qVo4IkouRsmCGJCoGdxUBg9GTocoKQg43c860Mr_3iq6Vd2GBgvUoKvg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:25:05 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=2zvuVynLEnMps1vVD3YX2twXxRcBmxztjvuYxERTgpits0CdaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Does this chapter let a USA company moves its money from another > country to get more cheap labour, to pay less taxes and to make a > low quality product? Yes and it sucks. It is true exploitation of working people by those who are rich. I hope people who run companies and do this go to hell and burn for an eternity. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Nov 24 04:25:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67812 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 12:25:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 12:25:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 12:25:48 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so792587yxb.13 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:25:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.31.4 with SMTP id e4mr2012570age.113.1227529548287; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:25:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.36.166.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.36.166.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.36.166]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w43sm5845009hsa.4.2008.11.24.04.25.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:25:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <300E2A6C-3317-420F-8BB2-5384EE8716EF@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:24:18 -0500 References: <341993.1067.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=wrxR0k7nBbC_ggSMINkprLoiXHupMATzvyzyMOfFsnk9l0uKUW0t5UR-jBBMxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 24, 2008, at 7:14 AM, kevin redding wrote: > This would never have been an issue if Republicans were not so damn > retarded and stuck in Junior High School even as adults and refused > to admit the man is Christian even after he was on TV and radio > dozens of time proclaiming Jesus as his savior. For the Record, the muslim rumor was started by the CLINTON campaign in the Democratic Primary. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 04:57:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82166 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 12:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 12:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.57) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 12:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 12:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 12:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2008 12:57:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 599989.18289.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 41382 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 12:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.200 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 12:57:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dyS1gfoVM1nVfb2K8gZ7OIObZHsU8kbMnFQhwk5cZqIL.aYPH2Dc4P74edrA62Z8sV9U99Wr2MvXqMNRTRTBe99z0yKwRC8.OhVwziawGOproliLSz72EMjbtv5SFU3oTjpfD3PqpHx0Qu_OJ75JV0ViHC1moEkdrJzhbw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <300E2A6C-3317-420F-8BB2-5384EE8716EF@gmail.com> References: <341993.1067.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <300E2A6C-3317-420F-8BB2-5384EE8716EF@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:57:43 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=j1ReR9yDt5VDiuN0AdzEoHaSEVeD8HZ1w38EqY1VlxPOKVA-Sg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > For the Record, the muslim rumor was started by the CLINTON campaign > in the Democratic Primary. I don't know this to be true but the dumbass Republicans kept at it with this until McCain lost and the majority of states told the Republicans what they thought of this stuff. Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 06:04:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99658 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 14:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 14:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 14:04:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59597 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2008 14:04:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ofSNe1EVM1k5W4BsK11KfBf0viOcpqPxXhCMrkD83dmQtbFNVXFNUF63VoSVDW7ZWEk.OpUiQv4vOW1mrqNbnjf9XhniDZBZ94AQZaPP_Pe4YRkj9x6yyP5ItemWAyFMMVnUvUoJQFgLRZdT5cNm7oMv X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:04:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:04:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <996362.59428.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=l6FZ8ThSddQP01EPq-kkpaSzHNkGtSQTFFMkq012rD3tagqEsZp5yMM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Juan, You should check with Sotiris at APISYS on getting a C-Quam transmitter for use in your home country! 73's John From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 07:28:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55792 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 15:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 15:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 15:28:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57515 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2008 15:28:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1cKCNSYVM1nVdV60_QViISQ4.tG2oq_EP987mcuFyKgcc5Ga0660AjdOc_r5_5FyRiZCkxRWm5u9OGf0_9q0a2Apl5kvtLtSk6v7EcT58NL3oePnLG9RvzJH5dwW5H2NeXJND_5vYxzCOQl7oWJWvyX9YhINuPyPedzuWYoZQKP1WJroTzTcYDr.Kg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.31] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:28:35 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:28:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <996362.59428.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <418489.57287.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: AM stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=SXGPAVdOTMadKjSLKdXfKRB60Q0xakRPEGF8KLqTws4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Naah get a BE AM1A with the exciter board for AM stereo. It is still available but not standard. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 11/24/08, John P. wrote: > You should check with Sotiris at APISYS on getting a C-Quam > transmitter for use in your home country! > 73's > John From w6yn@juno.com Mon Nov 24 08:30:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92332 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 16:30:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 16:30:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 16:30:04 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUXXT9AN73LXA for (sender ); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:28:47 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9rDuc3KVKLzw/f/yzNtxDw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2SCB4ZR; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:28:12 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:28:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:28:08 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081124.082808.3536.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 10:5:853978266 X-MAIL-INFO:1e6df49df49d7dc47d41fd7d64fd51f5c1a11da5f9a5c994e11d991480b0d5d4e0a5c46dcd84e9a584644194416dfd8465c9908560c541059075f0f5a931a93195ed95e13995c139b090e56149252d257045d949b181f90411409925edf55435342535c1e145e1f539353d702479d1e48590851060511060ad9060747924d0a1c4596450d584c5bdd4cd7d04c564846521057d051980d9a4247d6480c074107405e580d91549e98960d974e50c253430740425b1694d402030209921f5a9b5e0a00c818de179f579ed3d8db5b0f909fd39a5b01db5b5e1d534d51d1d617d1d99f46dd1b984647d6415d09d55 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=A53ZTG3qo1PEdGNalcWYvT2kPI81BWxkQI_iX0kVLA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Chapter 7 is for when there is no hope of recovery.=20 Chapter 11 is protection from creditors during court supervised restructuri= ng.=20 If Chapter 7 is inevitable then it is too late. I don't think we in a 1937 = situation yet. Don =20 -- "Powell E. Way III" wrote: I do, but in THESE times it would immediately lead to chapter 7.=20=20 And then everything unravels.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/23/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 6:39 PM > It appears you do not understand Chapter 11. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 09:07:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54325 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 17:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 17:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 17:07:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24451 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2008 17:07:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: X7OPWpoVM1nd6l9PHC1728sLHGbgxabvcRIJ.Nz9gj5o2nnSrHdgEl9NeLYEU.nLN7gno0WkS.ptfIHY6kQEds3rHmXUwPw59qgwIcZWz0AchipYvpqOSH7nNA_rgbln3jXN6Y4SKLwfn33pnGHqH6oFuiRN2azV8jCamg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.89] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:07:40 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:07:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081124.082808.3536.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <361912.24382.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=kj2I1HaMdcOHrMFBCSj2gYSuCaLfTHnDBAsx-AJvRTA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW If the suppliers don't get paid on time,or DON'T get paid, then the game is over. They close, and then all North American vehicle manufacturing screeches to a halt. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > Chapter 7 is for when there is no hope of recovery. > Chapter 11 is protection from creditors during court > supervised restructuring. > > If Chapter 7 is inevitable then it is too late. I don't > think we in a 1937 situation yet. From w6yn@juno.com Mon Nov 24 09:14:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43531 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 17:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 17:14:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 17:14:34 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail02.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.142]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUX2HRAB8FGKS for (sender ); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:14:23 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDz6AotC8nabjCoQkvF6Afy8= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail02.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2SEXUA8; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:13:55 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail02.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:12:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:12:31 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081124.091231.22742.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-ContentStamp: 4:6:1571664388 X-MAIL-INFO:2e2d04b431700931b0ad80d1a570617d1d99f46de5a584c4 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.142|webmail02.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=2OGkV9nmC7H_yfsXL3WUaMmo0sup4-Fp82UBbCGL9g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Isn't condemning an entire group of people for the actions of a few called = bigotry?=20 -- kevin redding wrote: > Because all of these right wing nuts have been using his middle=20=20 > name of "hussein" as an insult as if he were somehow connected with=20=20 > Sadam Hussein. This has been going on for months. This would never have been an issue if Republicans were not so damn=20=20 retarded and stuck in Junior High School even as adults and refused=20=20 to admit the man is Christian even after he was on TV and radio=20=20 dozens of time proclaiming Jesus as his savior. No need to argue about this, the Republicans are just too stupid to=20=20 understand. Not enough brain power. Just like some people with nuclear power. Scared of their own shadows. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Mon Nov 24 10:18:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94375 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 18:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 18:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-jn.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.20) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 18:18:41 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUX59EAHQH74J for (sender ); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:18:12 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD18wA6MzHflRnRUoWCn3yR8= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2SJLXAU; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:17:52 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:17:12 -0800 Message-ID: <20081124.101712.872.4.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,5-6,18-23 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3626894917 X-MAIL-INFO:315f1e6e1ea38ecea36e57d727fee7be5b936ad78bb74f4f8bde6347636b4f02ae8a8ec36b X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Jackie Mason on the Auto Bail-out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=05GfUdvfRGmgpU-lN3jx0Q2z3PdqqRxtuoEfGCr2MA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Jackie Mason is a very very funny guy. Beyond that, he is part of a growing minority in the United States a politically conservative leaning Jew. Below, In his own style he gives his reasons for not bailing out the automakers. OK his numbers are a bit off, but its scary the way his reasons make sense. "Remember Packard, LaSalle, and Studebaker? When these auto companies folded, the government didn't bail them out. That helped General Motors become an auto giant. Now that it has cash problems due to inferior and outdated products, they expect the taxpayers to give them money to continue to do the usual business that got them in this mess in the first place. I love the city of Detroit, and my heart goes out to the people in that area who are devastated by the decline in US auto sales. It's not their fault that the government and businesses didn't try to diversify their economy. GM has to sink or swim or the economy there will never recover. Competition is the heart of our economic system. It was what made GM and hopefully what will come to replace GM. I do wish the Feds had bailed out Packard though, they were beautiful cars." Watch the full video below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl_48676ioQ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 11:25:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85900 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 19:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 19:25:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 19:25:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94178 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2008 19:25:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LJ.L9jMVM1lB8gbqjpRY4YV8zS3iRhBbgBYvYmmRt9Ryh3DCAltooqQi5H0uEdIrf4gHz.bskvDKecKTVZZ4Mf5S.JPuKnM.LkJeLenKxKPNJozaRHFJdryYpHxRRnNau7v6OESrxEAbrnNFnkLRXLLiBtVaVmLQfOYWLV4M6h16mM910rR50MVlCg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:25:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:25:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081124.101712.872.4.w6yn@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <76053.91718.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jackie Mason on the Auto Bail-out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=a0UoNctuI8tBuMVojml1xSmndNBjz9osTUD6YnNLDJE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Packard was owned by Studebaker. Studebaker was a smaller high cost maker, and actually was NOT losing money when they gave it up. The Big 3 had a car war and was flooding dealerships with cars, and the smaller makers decided to pack it in. (short version) Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 11/24/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > "Remember Packard, LaSalle, and Studebaker? When these > auto companies > folded, the government didn't bail them out. From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Nov 24 13:52:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92123 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 21:52:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 21:52:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 21:52:15 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KAU008CRY2WHQ04@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:52:09 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:52:11 -0500 To: Message-id: <5824C8D82770446AA3053A5F9B229C3C@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <76053.91718.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jackie Mason on the Auto Bail-out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=yXWVxzpu-5zIjmNllnNE80MNSLwB3PeCP2Q2fZB9kXNh1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And of course the postwar boom was over and the car market had become oversaturated by that time. My understanding is that Studebaker didn't have the funds to fully automate their assembly plant. There may be too many automobile brands nowadays, but I think our long term military security requires that we maintain some manufacturing capability that is based and made in the United States. Regardless, I'm amazed that the same people who believe that wealth trickles down from the top don't believe that a depression can also trickle down from the top. Eternal optimism! Dick W ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jackie Mason on the Auto Bail-out Packard was owned by Studebaker. Studebaker was a smaller high cost maker, and actually was NOT losing money when they gave it up. The Big 3 had a car war and was flooding dealerships with cars, and the smaller makers decided to pack it in. (short version) Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 11/24/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > "Remember Packard, LaSalle, and Studebaker? When these > auto companies > folded, the government didn't bail them out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 14:17:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54294 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 22:17:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 22:17:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 22:17:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88058 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2008 22:17:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XCpY_7IVM1kqfVnXZIOcL6kPbNrpNvBD3JiLh4B2rz3laM0ryYxif.ikziROS_9ag_msnzoFDnh2gf0vd_WIEPV2DbzlRs__hk1ebtY_4xYe1wDk8a6IVAjyx7DtVk2RS.C0CUJNclkKqljeqXKJO8z4iZQRvMAHGsyfPILofLX4Y1bHH4PIQVCmUA-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:17:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:17:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5824C8D82770446AA3053A5F9B229C3C@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <789643.87911.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jackie Mason on the Auto Bail-out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=t5zssBZ1vgD-opAi5ZaRPX-OI7M31IdW3HoAes0dF3I X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW And their union contract was WAY more expensive than any of the others. I would like to have a Studebaker truck model up to 1959. The later Champ model based on the Lark is fine, but I would like to have the larger older model. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Dick W wrote: > And of course the postwar boom was over and the car market > had become oversaturated by that time. My understanding is > that Studebaker didn't have the funds to fully automate > their assembly plant. info/terms/ From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Nov 24 14:35:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21864 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2008 22:35:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2008 22:35:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms042pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.42) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2008 22:35:35 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KAV00HHB039B87F@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:35:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:35:34 -0500 To: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <789643.87911.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jackie Mason on the Auto Bail-out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=0biZ3X7dwG3qacBElDfOB9vtn80VLwE54rXCFsv8kBN1vw X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those Studebaker full-sized trucks were neat. My brother always wanted a 1953 2-door Studebaker sedan. He felt that all the styling features came together that year, and the following years were not quite as striking. About 10 years ago, we found a beautiful Avanti here in Tampa for sale, and it wasn't expensive, but it wasn't a very practical purchase, so he didn't get it. Dick W ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jackie Mason on the Auto Bail-out And their union contract was WAY more expensive than any of the others. I would like to have a Studebaker truck model up to 1959. The later Champ model based on the Lark is fine, but I would like to have the larger older model. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Dick W wrote: > And of course the postwar boom was over and the car market > had become oversaturated by that time. My understanding is > that Studebaker didn't have the funds to fully automate > their assembly plant. info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 16:03:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23748 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 00:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 00:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 00:03:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46988 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2008 00:03:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _9xuQZ8VM1lxjTfKYKCPVWueVBraerky2SWt8j1OgZ1y9sI6M1fzwqOFnAZ1aE70dIsBI9nSKv_vutXCAgl.RB2mmxUPfM9o.Q6GKBqPmTiK2E_GYpzrPkULxV5DrGMeINs2noWbfhY_OHXpnfp0n9.cQ2Z_9Lv59nJ2___ME18vVFRtiaX2pC25vg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.10] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:03:33 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:03:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <320912.46656.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jackie Mason on the Auto Bail-out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=XieXkhVUYhORiWUp6jwd2JuoBhydqtzRYUsBWDIksGE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The 1953 and 1954 Studebaker 2 door hardtop sedans were and are some of the nicest looking cars on the road, and still looks modern to some extent. If Studebaker could have read minds, they would have produced more of them than the 4 door sedans. And the radio in our 1955 wagon was one of the best, except the 14 tube model with push pull audio from 2 7C5 audio tubes..... drew 20 amps... that was in my Grandmother's 1947 Studebaker Commander. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Dick W wrote: > Those Studebaker full-sized trucks were neat. > > My brother always wanted a 1953 2-door Studebaker sedan. > He felt that all the styling features came together that > year, and the following years were not quite as striking. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 24 16:38:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65237 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 00:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 00:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 00:38:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.86] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081124183807001769100010.0) with SMTP id <20081124183807001769100010> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:38:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002501c94e96$6bb73700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <341993.1067.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:38:07 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=_lxn19RsaO2f4iKUfy9m9noU28VdmsjcBjHjAeYtmCFtZ_lFQjPu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not necessarily. Just using BO might have other negative connotations. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY Because all of these right wing nuts have been using his middle name of "hussein" as an insult as if he were somehow connected with Sadam Hussein. This has been going on for months. --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 6:01 PM On Nov 22, 2008, at 8:52 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Hmm but we know what he means by BHO, he's trying to insult Obama. Now I don't like Obama any more than any other person, but how in HELL is calling him by his NAME or Initials an insult? Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 24 16:45:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2624 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 00:45:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 00:45:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 00:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.86] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081124184517002690800010.0) with SMTP id <20081124184517002690800010> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:45:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008501c94e97$6bed1ea0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <76053.91718.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5824C8D82770446AA3053A5F9B229C3C@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:45:17 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jackie Mason on the Auto Bail-out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=VmiT_hbG6p_QKybtAJUCOjGNd1ColYUJf7OD1H2e3gJdHe0_k2k6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can bet I believe that. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I'm amazed that the same people who believe that wealth trickles down from the top don't believe that a depression can also trickle down from the top. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 24 16:50:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92835 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 00:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 00:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 00:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.86] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081124184951000329300010.0) with SMTP id <20081124184951000329300010> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:49:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009d01c94e98$0f6a73c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:49:51 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=eFUaRh-2lgQJbKMuvpjfPcvRCUMvmZSs4HKTCOktuVQanXJ_yOS7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's always the company's fault or at least the "greedy" CEOs. Never the greedy unions for making too many expensive demands or the greedy government for its exhorbitant taxes. When Ireland dropped its corporate tax rate from something like 48% down to 12.5% they went from being the poorest nation in the EU to being one of the richest. Scott Todd Why my detractors are likely to be unable to see the truth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGRn8YEsdsA&feature=related ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 6:25 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? > Does this chapter let a USA company moves its money from another > country to get more cheap labour, to pay less taxes and to make a > low quality product? Yes and it sucks. It is true exploitation of working people by those who are rich. I hope people who run companies and do this go to hell and burn for an eternity. Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 19:40:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97751 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 03:40:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 03:40:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.145) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 03:40:14 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2008 03:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.248] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2008 03:40:13 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2008 03:40:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 782947.83905.bm@omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 93159 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 03:40:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.200 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 03:40:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rUsAhL4VM1lr0K_lfpsKb815n4J6VD8dO6VQu6rGBQwDUiQfaJreEtnFkgIrvO_yL0_CLodgi8FrEVxuvu5i8Fh8a0HBYki_WCMJmDgvAKOLq6xd4mgFnE9M09O73oFKJw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081124.091231.22742.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com> References: <20081124.091231.22742.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <72678C89-6D9F-413D-A733-4ABDE5F09111@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:40:12 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=P8PlY7DjM2UFf7JnRiTZ0YZ7WeUxZIJDnW7P54fudN2hpfuebg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 24, 2008, at 5:12 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Isn't condemning an entire group of people for the actions of a few > called bigotry? Don, You are genius! Brilliant! I don't deny it. I really AM bigoted against Republicans. Their skin color doesn't matter. Its the philosophy I think sucks. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 19:41:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59533 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 03:41:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 03:41:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 03:41:42 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2008 03:41:38 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.247] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2008 03:41:38 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2008 03:41:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 710349.91186.bm@omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 79253 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 03:41:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.200 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 03:41:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MTo.LEwVM1kufkbRj2AWoZwJEDXwj9lCRVkapKt05Kvr_pkd9Isw04Ic6YWgutm6Nx4YgMYtjrbx2kkeFZ6iwPggiMpViAuneXGM8yVbW.ihruDWV6t31xQHOrNjeWTbq.W1QmfOOAwVbe0rxRKyi4h2y6n014ns.F1m6Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081124.101712.872.4.w6yn@juno.com> References: <20081124.101712.872.4.w6yn@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <660BA24B-ADDE-43B1-ACEA-4096016FA6DE@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:41:37 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jackie Mason on the Auto Bail-out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=uPhUBZuRF3Sv9nrsITWQlEw6rv-dMD7ornYcrOzY1aWHqeeprw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Packards were gorgeous. Absolutely fantastic and quite expensive machines. Kevin On Nov 24, 2008, at 12:17 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > I do wish the Feds > had bailed out Packard though, they were beautiful cars." From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 19:47:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75100 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 03:47:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 03:47:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.41) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 03:47:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2008 03:47:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.252] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2008 03:47:06 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2008 03:47:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 971115.22564.bm@omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 31929 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 03:47:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.200 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 03:47:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OaX9vFMVM1mGFPF_MxZwB89LPIC5AwFJiBW8w04UDRtAocMwSx5XyjaHJU302Baj6qHmZIexSoubIdEQpIyxMLe.rka8CEWyLxXkxX1ObjoPCoQ7fdsU3oS1svt0Sn9AeV6vAUUpqSxHeyNEMqAAZYMo7xBbbNDRmp975khxCW0F3PcZX_uvXDsptA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <009d01c94e98$0f6a73c0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <009d01c94e98$0f6a73c0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4E192ADE-E106-40B0-A915-A473598E5B05@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:47:03 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=hWcC58UWNl21psrwRejZ3BOhxiZuUYpNtPzc759D1THilk2SfA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:49 PM, wrote: > It's always the company's fault or at least the "greedy" CEOs. > Never the greedy unions for making too many expensive demands or > the greedy government for its exhorbitant taxes. Here is the problem I have with your premise. The owner of the company does not have to give those demands to the union. They have the last say in pay. I think that the incredibly over paid Board of Directors rape companies far harder than unions but often the unions see the BOD getting the gravy so they make demands as well. Both sides are ugly and the management is the most full powered financial rapists but the union can ask for more than they should get. I still blame management for this crap because such a tiny amount of working people are in a union. I have worked in union shops and non union shops. If you are a worker and have a chance to work in a union shop, work in the union shop. It beats the living snot out of the non union shop. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Mon Nov 24 21:45:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13069 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 05:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 05:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 05:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUZEGBAKSRKFA for (sender ); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:44:33 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9cJjYq05cYCKuLrnjHiSi0= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2TRVHEV; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:44:08 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:43:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:43:40 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081124.214340.8366.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:1766475522 X-MAIL-INFO:1c25a121850c99ed3185b549059d0d281185b87c759dd915f5b9d8881dbd317cdd61c8a8c8a948dd88c1f1c93c1cd988f14db5c5e8a11ca1bd599c09fc955c91789c5de9e9fc1908d5556d1921cc21d9b165e9082111198dbd X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=GtJQ6xKFYAWS-gPpVZLVd9mMeMEflQrJYr1fhG1qXg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn He should change his middle name to "Millhouse." That has a nice ring. -- wrote: Not necessarily. Just using BO might have other negative connotations. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY Because all of these right wing nuts have been using his middle name of "= hussein" as an insult as if he were somehow connected with Sadam Hussein. = This has been going on for months.=20=20 --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 6:01 PM On Nov 22, 2008, at 8:52 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Hmm but we know what he means by BHO, he's trying to insult Obama. Now I don't like Obama any more than any other person, but how in HELL=20 is calling him by his NAME or Initials an insult? Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD From w6yn@juno.com Mon Nov 24 22:11:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18780 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 06:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 06:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 06:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEUZFZVAVFQ3TS for (sender ); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:10:59 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD+11mEQTXYyFd+eGyVcPnZw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2TTDEW2; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:10:18 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:09:23 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:09:23 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081124.220923.8366.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 10:5:483996185 X-MAIL-INFO: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 2c0c395835b8f8a5b958853939f911ad118585e9d885055ca89ddd9598d8980d2838dc X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jackie Mason on the Auto Bail-out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=nmA547F0gofRdjXEz8fnjCeFOfDaKfoXWsNR7ZrcPw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I've been wanting to comment on the trickle down phrase: Those who favor tax cuts and a free market want to help the rich first, hop= ing that the benefits they receive will eventually trickle down to the mass= es of ordinary people. If you believe this, you have been bamboozled. There has never been any school of economists who believed in a trickle dow= n theory. No such theory can be found in even the most voluminous and learn= ed books on the history of economics. It is a straw man. Free-market economics is not about "distributing" anything to anybody. It i= s about letting people earn whatever they can from voluntary transactions w= ith other people. Those who imagine that profits first benefit business owners -- and that be= nefits only belatedly trickle down to workers -- have the sequence complete= ly backward. When an investment is made, whether to build a railroad or to = open a new restaurant, the first money is spent hiring people to do the wor= k. Without that, nothing happens. Money goes out first to pay expenses first and then comes back as profits l= ater -- if at all. The high rate of failure of new businesses makes painful= ly clear that there is nothing inevitable about the money coming back. Even with successful businesses, years can elapse between the initial inves= tment and the return of earnings. From the time when an oil company begins = spending money to explore for petroleum to the time when the first gasoline= resulting from that exploration comes out of a pump at a filling station, = a decade may have passed. In the meantime, all sorts of employees have been= paid -- geologists, engineers, refinery workers, truck drivers. Don -- wrote: You can bet I believe that. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dick W=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 I'm amazed that the same people who believe that wealth trickles down fro= m the top don't believe that a depression can also trickle down from the to= p.=20 =20=20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/radios/DENON%20AM%20Stereo%20Tuners/TU680NAB_Mode1.JPG To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, pdmtr From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue Nov 25 05:50:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26138 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 13:50:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 13:50:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173007pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 13:50:11 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KAW00FWY6DL2HV8@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:48:59 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:50:04 -0500 To: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20081124.220923.8366.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jackie Mason on the Auto Bail-out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=kb9uJK1m2cu5e4N6BUp3WTi7NFC6LPVbULD78N3udqK7FA X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem with a so-called free market economy is that it favors the international community, rather than the U.S. economy. Jobs will go where labor is cheapest. I confess to being selfish. I wish to keep the jobs here. The ultimate result of the so-called free economy will be to have third-world pay and working conditions in the U.S. Under such conditions, it is questionable whether the political democracy of the U.S. will have survived. If an owner had a large business that he wanted to pass on to his son, he would probably not require that his son openly compete with all other potential employees. The owner's enlightened self-interest would tell him that the only way to ensure that his son would inherit the business would be to give preferential treatment to his son. America is in the same position as the owner of that business - the so-called free economy is moving jobs to the third world where labor is cheapest, and it is reaching a point of no return. People who are promoting a so-called free economy may think that most large businesses are still American-owned and loyal to America. This is not the case. Increasingly, large businesses are international and have no loyalty to any country or political system. The outflow of jobs from America to populous third-world countries will continue until all Americans are working for the same (low) wages as those in the third-world. Under such circumstances, American voters may elect far-left or far-right candidates who will bring about radical change in the U.S. political system. It's time to forget our ideologies and grand theories such as liberalism and conservativism, and start using some common sense. What kind of a future do we want for ourselves and our children? Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 1:09 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Jackie Mason on the Auto Bail-out I've been wanting to comment on the trickle down phrase: Those who favor tax cuts and a free market want to help the rich first, hoping that the benefits they receive will eventually trickle down to the masses of ordinary people. If you believe this, you have been bamboozled. There has never been any school of economists who believed in a trickle down theory. No such theory can be found in even the most voluminous and learned books on the history of economics. It is a straw man. Free-market economics is not about "distributing" anything to anybody. It is about letting people earn whatever they can from voluntary transactions with other people. Those who imagine that profits first benefit business owners -- and that benefits only belatedly trickle down to workers -- have the sequence completely backward. When an investment is made, whether to build a railroad or to open a new restaurant, the first money is spent hiring people to do the work. Without that, nothing happens. Money goes out first to pay expenses first and then comes back as profits later -- if at all. The high rate of failure of new businesses makes painfully clear that there is nothing inevitable about the money coming back. Even with successful businesses, years can elapse between the initial investment and the return of earnings. From the time when an oil company begins spending money to explore for petroleum to the time when the first gasoline resulting from that exploration comes out of a pump at a filling station, a decade may have passed. In the meantime, all sorts of employees have been paid -- geologists, engineers, refinery workers, truck drivers. Don -- wrote: You can bet I believe that. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I'm amazed that the same people who believe that wealth trickles down from the top don't believe that a depression can also trickle down from the top. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Nov 25 07:15:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15399 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 15:15:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 15:15:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.140) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 15:15:31 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W20 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:15:31 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:15:31 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20081124.220923.8366.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2008 15:15:31.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7F45B10:01C94F10] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Jackie Mason on the Auto Bail-out X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=_Slchd-5LphiMHgego8zFtFL7oJeelvFi4fAaeleXjn2MPyugjwk91tyZbk X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remember when the first President Bush, referred to trickle down economics as Voodoo economics; while running in the presidential primaries? I think he had it right. Well said, Dick. Donn btw- for those wanting to buy items made in the U.S. ; SAS (San Antonio Shoes) makes extremely well made shoes that are very comfortable and durable; not need to buy shoes from China or other countries that are undermining our economy. The problem with a so-called free market economy is that it favors the international community, rather than the U.S. economy. Jobs will go where labor is cheapest. I confess to being selfish. I wish to keep the jobs here. The ultimate result of the so-called free economy will be to have third-world pay and working conditions in the U.S. Under such conditions, it is questionable whether the political democracy of the U.S. will have survived. If an owner had a large business that he wanted to pass on to his son, he would probably not require that his son openly compete with all other potential employees. The owner's enlightened self-interest would tell him that the only way to ensure that his son would inherit the business would be to give preferential treatment to his son. America is in the same position as the owner of that business - the so-called free economy is moving jobs to the third world where labor is cheapest, and it is reaching a point of no return.People who are promoting a so-called free economy may think that most large businesses are still American-owned and loyal to America. This is not the case. Increasingly, large businesses are international and have no loyalty to any country or political system. The outflow of jobs from America to populous third-world countries will continue until all Americans are working for the same (low) wages as those in the third-world. Under such circumstances, American voters may elect far-left or far-right candidates who will bring about radical change in the U.S. political system.It's time to forget our ideologies and grand theories such as liberalism and conservativism, and start using some common sense. What kind of a future do we want for ourselves and our children?Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 07:25:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62978 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 15:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 15:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 15:25:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19376 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2008 15:25:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Bi5QrkIVM1kJEJo9Xi3s3C0TtQYfwTgMndozp_u5ACaLFYu9L7G9RRNLV7Ei4CCuJN0TaF4xfTCNSq5N_P2LCtfAv_s5weZfdqetgCzH92Mi6boTurxh_bS2VY7UQHmst_p4CTrJlCgvDbmqgUzut9AUvOBURLN4a45UYRprGptZe69_WM5uEgjOeg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.40] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:25:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:25:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <865803.19355.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Speaking of shoes... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Pp9iGquX8fmTXCd1XUUodX-k0vExeNLx0o2zm5SsyK8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Red Wing makes stuff in US, their WORX line is Chinese. Now, I have Plantar Fasciitis in my right foot. I have inserts to help, but my WESCO and Whites logger boots are THE most comfortable to wear, and they are HAND MADE in the US ( PNW) and are rebuildable if you don't damage them too severely. And just for DoNNNN, I have some flannel plaid Converse All Stars. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Donn Tillman wrote: > Well said, Dick. > Donn > btw- for those wanting to buy items made in the U.S. ; SAS > (San Antonio Shoes) makes extremely well made shoes that are > very comfortable and durable; not need to buy shoes from > China or other countries that are undermining our economy. From w6yn@juno.com Tue Nov 25 08:41:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96720 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 16:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 16:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 16:41:00 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEU2LWWAML72WA for (sender ); Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:40:52 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD1Dq/ylW8M1jXmQjaqOO4eE= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2UXE3FS; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:40:20 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:39:41 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:39:41 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081125.083941.3692.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 11:5:3216244224 X-MAIL-INFO:2655cd19cd191964855110855180ad893494f4ad84d4444484a1ddc0ddc444bd651441d0c4 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=0sew3RwRz4C808Bxw33YKQtdpwShkGWl4UVzxRsS5g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Barack Obama says that we have to "jolt" the economy. That certainly makes = sense, if you take the media's account of the economy seriously-- but shoul= d the media be taken seriously? Amid all the political and media hysteria, national output has declined by = less than one-half of one percent. In fact, it may not have declined even t= hat much-- or at all-- when the statistics are revised later, as they very = often are. We are not talking about the Great Depression, when output dropped by one-t= hird and unemployment soared to 25 percent. What we are talking about is a golden political opportunity for politicians= to use the current financial crisis to fundamentally change an economy tha= t has been successful for more than two centuries, so that politicians can = henceforth micro-manage all sorts of businesses and play Robin Hood, taking= from those who are not likely to vote for them and transferring part of th= eir earnings to those who will vote for them. For that, the politicians need lots of hype, and that is being generously s= upplied by the media. The Great Depression of the 1930s was in fact the longest-lasting of all ou= r depressions. Government policy in the 1930s was another bipartisan disaster. Despite a m= yth that Herbert Hoover was a "do nothing" president, he was the first Pres= ident of the United States to step in to try to put the economy back on tra= ck. With the passing years, it has increasingly been recognized that what FDR d= id was largely a further extension of what Hoover had done. Where Hoover ma= de things worse, FDR made them much worse. Herbert Hoover did what Barack Obama is proposing to do. Hoover raised taxe= s on high-income people and put restrictions on international trade, in ord= er to try to save American jobs. It didn't work then and it is not likely t= o work now. Perhaps the most disastrous of all the counterproductive policies of the fe= deral government was the National Industrial Recovery Act under FDR, which = set out to do exactly what the politicians today want to do-- micro-manage = businesses. Fortunately, the Supreme Court declared that Act unconstitutional, sparing = the country an even bigger disaster. Today, it is unlikely that the courts will let anything as old-fashioned as= the Constitution stand in the way of "change." In short, the economy today= has some serious problems but things are not desperate, though they can be= made desperate by politicians. Don -- wrote: It's always the company's fault or at least the "greedy" CEOs. Never the g= reedy unions for making too many expensive demands or the greedy government= for its exorbitant taxes. When Ireland dropped its corporate tax rate fro= m something like 48% down to 12.5% they went from being the poorest nation = in the EU to being one of the richest. Scott Todd Why my detractors are likely to be unable to see the truth: http://www.yout= ube.com/watch?v=3DEGRn8YEsdsA&feature=3Drelated ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kevin redding=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 6:25 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? > Does this chapter let a USA company moves its money from another > country to get more cheap labour, to pay less taxes and to make a > low quality product? Yes and it sucks. It is true exploitation of working people by those=20 who are rich. I hope people who run companies and do this go to hell and burn for=20 an eternity. Kevin =20 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 25 12:41:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4072 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 20:40:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 20:40:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 20:40:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84080 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2008 20:12:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MBhKW9UVM1lwMBgnPECAD_aSRz98Qde5f4wJa6ywRW1oB3kEK57niyXk7_sQPXCllcE6Sqb2FDo_hByBUrSP2eoM_zW9ByQeiORozsuwJpYZ4Kk0M6jb6nsbVpH8cEsHe7Whi9ex5ktGUnNxu1HY9vL.d2.LF3RIWcrohGrk5Dyn7Vc- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:12:38 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:12:38 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <215429.83645.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=y4eLzstUdNEDYwTU90EitcTSJnDepWS29ixDg_UOFGIj_Mh3VrcN X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EXACTLY! =A0 --- On Mon, 11/24/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:14 AM > Because all of these right wing nuts have been using his middle=20 > name of "hussein" as an insult as if he were somehow connected with=20 > Sadam Hussein. This has been going on for months. This would never have been an issue if Republicans were not so damn=20 retarded and stuck in Junior High School even as adults and refused=20 to admit the man is Christian even after he was on TV and radio=20 dozens of time proclaiming Jesus as his savior. No need to argue about this, the Republicans are just too stupid to=20 understand. Not enough brain power. Just like some people with nuclear power. Scared of their own shadows. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Nov 25 12:41:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26387 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 20:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 20:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 20:41:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6664 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2008 20:14:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iRqhMaUVM1lj5SYTuZu5z86wsHqxx78wlHRbVqCELQy9o7TwpL6KqsuIUtBrbTUbea7kzBGLpr_tSXF.WIY8nPeVWj9neuaTXuehXMoZiPsjYY2A4EqSANCfqWCCjedsRmDZXpAHxdoh30ETXsv2Dri1gKJqDlgafp7jzntC7oIQSBI- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:14:48 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:14:48 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <691602.6411.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=M7vyxYss4TgZWSm68FIErk5tB3bDFab5KTkI8rpBViPw0wSrP003 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin thats alright, let the dumbasses fall.=A0 We all know who won the ele= ction and why.=A0 Those dumbasses never listen.=A0 They are so out of touch= with this country that its=A0insane.=A0 We'll sit back and watch them lose= again in 4 years and then 8 years until they decide to change their game a= nd listen to the american people.=A0 Closed minded america is gone.=A0 They= better learn. =A0 --- On Mon, 11/24/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:57 AM On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > For the Record, the muslim rumor was started by the CLINTON campaign > in the Democratic Primary. I don't know this to be true but the dumbass Republicans kept at it=20 with this until McCain lost and the majority of states told the=20 Republicans what they thought of this stuff. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue Nov 25 13:32:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26505 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2008 21:32:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2008 21:32:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms042pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.42) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2008 21:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KAW00HMBRTMSTI7@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:32:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:32:10 -0500 To: Message-id: <799B75A3E94947CD8A69446DC7B661A6@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <691602.6411.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=ElcfhsyZIYu84h9jW5EBwtWq2TLl-u5Yaro_6dv1bRg8VQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I agree that the public rejected the extreme recent policies of the Republican Party, the Democratic Party should not fool itself into thinkling that they have been given a mandate for an extreme left wing shift. The public is basically middle of the road, and they have correctly identified the failures of the recent Republican administration. However, the public will not embrace an extreme left agenda, and the Democrats will make a serious strategic error if they fial to understand that. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY Kevin thats alright, let the dumbasses fall. We all know who won the election and why. Those dumbasses never listen. They are so out of touch with this country that its insane. We'll sit back and watch them lose again in 4 years and then 8 years until they decide to change their game and listen to the american people. Closed minded america is gone. They better learn. --- On Mon, 11/24/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:57 AM On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > For the Record, the muslim rumor was started by the CLINTON campaign > in the Democratic Primary. I don't know this to be true but the dumbass Republicans kept at it with this until McCain lost and the majority of states told the Republicans what they thought of this stuff. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Nov 25 16:00:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85557 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 00:00:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 00:00:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 00:00:50 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail01.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.141]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEU3EN6AZMWGHA for (sender ); Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:00:28 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxoWP/CgCl1ksx21dA8P5Dw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail01.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2VQLERP; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:00:10 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail01.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:58:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:58:58 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081125.155858.13353.2@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 12:6:626724453 X-MAIL-INFO:564530543054b4f5b4c131b4893170515949750c690cb54de5750d2524710081dd0cf5458d20d50c2089c14dc145312039b5b0e1a4edc191b06d345110e010e0019001e5c00159c071b014c5c49db99df0c9d4c464fd694485650d9d905129ad119dad59e5c9e551c0ad74f004d9b13de1b0e109a47009a41db0a4d1d9044049f5a589610020edd0818db444ed8920397d91b4917924d42d04b4892499d109d1911424d494c4d560a4d4d114cd9d1119d1449d6484e4650519050d7d5110e9dda1cdfda0e5d951d99074a0e97169bd31c00c7175e9e9e50011007575c5b4750d3045b1352089b48994405495 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.141|webmail01.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=MHDCVneeTX83ldlEflMAxAu3bmqtrOmA7dMs5susbA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Number One: People voted for Obama because he promised to cut their taxes. "Barack Obama won the White House by campaigning against an unpopular incum= bent in a time of economic anxiety and lingering foreign policy concerns," = Pollster Scott Rasmussen wrote. "He offered voters an upbeat message, prais= ed the nation as a land of opportunity, promised tax cuts to just about eve= ryone, and overcame doubts about his experience with a strong performance i= n the presidential debates." "Does this sound familiar? It should. Mr. Obama followed the approach that = worked for Ronald Reagan," he said. Well, up to a point. Unlike Obama, Reag= an would never propose raising taxes on anyone in a recession when the nati= on needs all the economy's cylinders running at full throttle. And at his v= ery first 1980 general election campaign event near the Statue of Liberty, = he outlined his vision for what became the North American Free Trade Agreem= ent -- a pact Obama wants to dismantle. But like the former president he so admires, Obama exuded a sense of self-c= onfidence and optimism in his campaign and talked often about his belief in= America's can-do spirit and enduring goodness. One of the polling questions Rasmussen asked voters on Oct. 2 found that 59= percent still agreed with the belief expressed by Reagan in his first inau= gural address: "Government is not the solution to our problem; government i= s the problem." Notably, his poll also found that 44 percent of Obama's supporters "agree w= ith Reagan's assessment." Now Reagan's party is leaderless and in disarray,= looking for someone to rekindle that same spirit of optimism and transform= ational leadership. So far, there seems to be no one like that in sight.=20 Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: Kevin thats alright, let the dumbasses fall.=A0 We all know who won the ele= ction and why.=A0 Those dumbasses never listen.=A0 They are so out of touch= with this country that its=A0insane.=A0 We'll sit back and watch them lose= again in 4 years and then 8 years until they decide to change their game a= nd listen to the american people.=A0 Closed minded america is gone.=A0 They= better learn. =A0 --- On Mon, 11/24/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:57 AM On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > For the Record, the muslim rumor was started by the CLINTON campaign > in the Democratic Primary. I don't know this to be true but the dumbass Republicans kept at it=20 with this until McCain lost and the majority of states told the=20 Republicans what they thought of this stuff. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From jmrouse@mail.com Tue Nov 25 23:22:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46237 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 07:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 07:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 07:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 27196180013B for ; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:22:28 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.50) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 26 Nov 2008 07:22:06 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 05C291642A6; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:22:28 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:22:27 -0500 X-Received: from [71.185.10.218] by ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:22:27 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20081126072228.05C291642A6@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=HWjY_Iq3iEkCdz7vBl1DrIDEBDq0NxOGSaNDFG4k__nRwH45L2WN X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've heard that Ford sold off their Jaguar holdings. I believe that India's Tata Motors now owns it. Joe R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin redding" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:55:18 -0600 Ford in one of its bits of stupidity bought it. Kevin On Nov 23, 2008, at 5:31 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > The result? Unless you=92re a car buff, you=92ve probably never > heard of Leyland, because it no longer exists. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 26 03:20:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86646 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 11:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 11:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 11:20:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8031 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2008 11:20:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pXzkwLgVM1ltJfIDAj8JzMTGhWi4ht3sU_N3h6eRVzqpwAswoKbF2WNomhtqGqCbs4POECx1deypw.7cqy5k9sudjJ8mVK_bSufol_Kt6SwrPd.tlvHV68JK7AqPiaC2itS92_JzDKKFK.uBJ6nCcZykvbpV0BYGCrzHXg8j0SYux6w- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:20:25 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:20:25 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <799B75A3E94947CD8A69446DC7B661A6@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <948722.7840.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=sr5a6n9hICPPcTL_1RZHrinTdDLCK7jSGJX4k7vMzbTdYuplvPyO X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This may be true but like so many others I don't think you understand the s= tark differences in young people today.=A0 I work with college age kids and= let me tell you it's a much different world.=A0 The baby boomers are retir= ing every day.=A0 My generation is the next after the baby boomers and we a= re way more liberal than the baby boomers were.=A0 The generation below min= e is more so than we are.=A0 Things are changing and will change, I promise= you that.=A0 If you don't think so you are simply out of touch or you eith= er don't understand people younger than you are.=A0 This isn't meant to be = mean but I'm saying you don't have a grasp on the way the country has chang= ed and where it is going.=A0 I just wonder how long it will take the conser= vative crowd to realize this and abandon their my way or the highway approa= ch because people simply don't go for that anymore.=A0 The current presiden= t and vice president have cast a shadow over the republicans that will haun= t them for a long time.=A0 I do not believe bush will be the elder statesman= that many other former presidents have been.=A0 I think too many in his ow= n party will abandon and simply hope to forget him and his years in office = because it did so much damage to the party. =A0 --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Dick W wrote: From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 4:32 PM While I agree that the public rejected the extreme recent policies of the R= epublican Party, the Democratic Party should not fool itself into thinkling= that they have been given a mandate for an extreme left wing shift. The pu= blic is basically middle of the road, and they have correctly identified th= e failures of the recent Republican administration. However, the public wil= l not embrace an extreme left agenda, and the Democrats will make a serious= strategic error if they fial to understand that. Dick W. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY Kevin thats alright, let the dumbasses fall. We all know who won the electi= on and why. Those dumbasses never listen. They are so out of touch with thi= s country that its insane. We'll sit back and watch them lose again in 4 ye= ars and then 8 years until they decide to change their game and listen to t= he american people. Closed minded america is gone. They better learn. --- On Mon, 11/24/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:57 AM On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > For the Record, the muslim rumor was started by the CLINTON campaign > in the Democratic Primary. I don't know this to be true but the dumbass Republicans kept at it=20 with this until McCain lost and the majority of states told the=20 Republicans what they thought of this stuff. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 26 03:24:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82029 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 11:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 11:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 11:24:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80868 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2008 11:23:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pPNFaF8VM1lLSOT2bQN_iY4AoxbsqtA87ICwSmkVv.vlMY_3IDBc3gVunzNn63XiG8xzpzzlRW9CHgiKbIrmijD42EGDv1zB7IHbaAxuHRYnnK8zf.kUVax5Es3cWFINK4aDLVHmC2s8_6IxThveMzJVucxPmhzMReDtYEoGrAGsl24- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:23:59 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:23:59 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081125.155858.13353.2@webmail01.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <278298.80787.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Y3d2ZZINOAyZyZ8q8vND5sUU9Xi6kwudP9ZCICF-8CktTauz4aE_ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lest we not forget Iran Contra and a host of things.=A0 Reagn may have temp= orarily ended the cold war (I think it could return) but he is far from per= fect and did things that weren't so great either.=A0 People seem to forget = his bad things and always celibrate only his good and make him out to be so= me god.=A0 I think we had more economic prosperity in the 90s than we ever = did under Reagan. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Tue, 11/25/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 6:58 PM Number One: People voted for Obama because he promised to cut their taxes. "Barack Obama won the White House by campaigning against an unpopular incum= bent in a time of economic anxiety and lingering foreign policy concerns," = Pollster Scott Rasmussen wrote. "He offered voters an upbeat message, prais= ed the nation as a land of opportunity, promised tax cuts to just about eve= ryone, and overcame doubts about his experience with a strong performance i= n the presidential debates." "Does this sound familiar? It should. Mr. Obama followed the approach that = worked for Ronald Reagan," he said. Well, up to a point. Unlike Obama, Reag= an would never propose raising taxes on anyone in a recession when the nati= on needs all the economy's cylinders running at full throttle. And at his v= ery first 1980 general election campaign event near the Statue of Liberty, = he outlined his vision for what became the North American Free Trade Agreem= ent -- a pact Obama wants to dismantle. But like the former president he so admires, Obama exuded a sense of self-c= onfidence and optimism in his campaign and talked often about his belief in= America's can-do spirit and enduring goodness. One of the polling questions Rasmussen asked voters on Oct. 2 found that 59= percent still agreed with the belief expressed by Reagan in his first inau= gural address: "Government is not the solution to our problem; government i= s the problem." Notably, his poll also found that 44 percent of Obama's supporters "agree w= ith Reagan's assessment." Now Reagan's party is leaderless and in disarray,= looking for someone to rekindle that same spirit of optimism and transform= ational leadership. So far, there seems to be no one like that in sight.=20 Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: Kevin thats alright, let the dumbasses fall.=A0 We all know who won the ele= ction and why.=A0 Those dumbasses never listen.=A0 They are so out of touch= with this country that its=A0insane.=A0 We'll sit back and watch them lose= again in 4 years and then 8 years until they decide to change their game a= nd listen to the american people.=A0 Closed minded america is gone.=A0 They= better learn. =A0 --- On Mon, 11/24/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:57 AM On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > For the Record, the muslim rumor was started by the CLINTON campaign > in the Democratic Primary. I don't know this to be true but the dumbass Republicans kept at it=20 with this until McCain lost and the majority of states told the=20 Republicans what they thought of this stuff. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Nov 26 08:36:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81720 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 16:36:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 16:36:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 16:36:00 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEU48XXAWCQTBS for (sender ); Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:35:01 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDywKGvUgaHjeH5XBsA/L6U8= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2XHGTST; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:34:21 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:34:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:34:00 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081126.083400.10686.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 20:10:3869933592 X-MAIL-INFO:5d83ba77ba77375a377e0737bb075e27fe2b021fbf1faf3b7f02433e972ffba7de1f5a83ef87ca1f87bb7e3b7e8307879fafd3bedb3f7eaad3c3cb270fb30fb37aee7a7f1b7afe1b2fd3faf393174f176fae4a93c71ebf5b9e0b4317ee27d757e31757fe7fae7f271b577b6f030a4b13bed3bef7db5ef7dbabd3db630a032e2b5a3abb8ffb873f8aa7ef375b3fbb879f6baa37aa2a974a0e0337bb979a63f763aafa974ab793cae7db4a63fa8b17e38e635b17c76aa30b6e8e6e436b270f47de1a8b1eeb7f0a270aee7beb472fbf67071b1f2f0247477ffbe3fb0202f3370243ba834bcf87bb37bbb72e7733 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=Ko3uEh7f3Lb5ioQpQc_hNM8aioASC-KsbnWvqYdhoA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn =20 In the primary elections, it became clear when it was over that Obama's win= of just one-tenth of a percentage point of the 35 million=20 votes cast that the media's pro-Obama bias created that narrow margin of vi= ctory. The general election result wasn't that close, and the punishing cir= cumstances of vigorous Bush hatred and the collapse of economic confidence = possibly were just too much for the GOP nominee to overcome. But try and imagine how different this campaign would have looked if=20 the media's momentum manufacturers favored McCain with all the=20 unashamed ardor and aggression that they brought in support of Obama.=20 Deep down, the media agree with Evan Thomas that their bias can add=20 five or ten points to a Democrat's vote total, and they eagerly=20 demonstrated that they were ready to shred their own credibility as=20 allegedly objective referees to achieve that victorious result. Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: This may be true but like so many others I don't think you understand the s= tark differences in young people today.=A0 I work with college age kids and= let me tell you it's a much different world.=A0 The baby boomers are retir= ing every day.=A0 My generation is the next after the baby boomers and we a= re way more liberal than the baby boomers were.=A0 The generation below min= e is more so than we are.=A0 Things are changing and will change, I promise= you that.=A0 If you don't think so you are simply out of touch or you eith= er don't understand people younger than you are.=A0 This isn't meant to be = mean but I'm saying you don't have a grasp on the way the country has chang= ed and where it is going.=A0 I just wonder how long it will take the conser= vative crowd to realize this and abandon their my way or the highway approa= ch because people simply don't go for that anymore.=A0 The current presiden= t and vice president have cast a shadow over the republicans that will haun= t them for a long time.=A0 I do not believe bush will be the elder statesman= that many other former presidents have been.=A0 I think too many in his ow= n party will abandon and simply hope to forget him and his years in office = because it did so much damage to the party. =A0 --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Dick W wrote: From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 4:32 PM While I agree that the public rejected the extreme recent policies of the R= epublican Party, the Democratic Party should not fool itself into thinkling= that they have been given a mandate for an extreme left wing shift. The pu= blic is basically middle of the road, and they have correctly identified th= e failures of the recent Republican administration. However, the public wil= l not embrace an extreme left agenda, and the Democrats will make a serious= strategic error if they fial to understand that. Dick W. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY Kevin thats alright, let the dumbasses fall. We all know who won the electi= on and why. Those dumbasses never listen. They are so out of touch with thi= s country that its insane. We'll sit back and watch them lose again in 4 ye= ars and then 8 years until they decide to change their game and listen to t= he american people. Closed minded america is gone. They better learn. --- On Mon, 11/24/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:57 AM On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > For the Record, the muslim rumor was started by the CLINTON campaign > in the Democratic Primary. I don't know this to be true but the dumbass Republicans kept at it=20 with this until McCain lost and the majority of states told the=20 Republicans what they thought of this stuff. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 26 09:51:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89174 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 17:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 17:51:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 17:51:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79213 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2008 17:51:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cakaZ48VM1kYrMOUpsOiL3CxGFWrTDc5c7xHhOCo3PLikFcD7n2qCExpRKmOjtN_DhgSVJ7cpThvU90nD23apIrqfEaPf4q5riUfM0FarMkLto8wxMGqiYlTd1h92B_PU5GKwrFJytdLGEMDIsvAKLPmeIS4Z1jGnrdcLcTGolmm1nE- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:51:02 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:51:02 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081126.083400.10686.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <581253.79165.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=lTSYpil7P1wtZQgxZ0wZ0sXblAYbYFzFtSXCJ7vJzFsBNOOVCndu X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The media bias was certainly there BUT I have no doubt Obama would have won= regardless.=A0 Anyone with any sense knows we don't need 4 or 8 of the sam= e 8.=A0 Thats exactly what Mccain would have been.=A0 Republicans needed to= learn a lesson and also they need to quit being butt headed about where th= is country is going.=A0 it is evolving into a more accepting society.=A0 Th= e old guard doesnt want a black man in the white house period.=A0 Nor do th= ey like or accept gays.=A0 They also don't want women to have reproductive = rights and control of their own bodies.=A0 As I've said over and over they = want the rich white men to rule in a world where women and minorities have = little influence.=A0 Oh you can hear it in their voices daily on the talk r= adio circuit.=A0 Too bad though because they can't do anything about it.=A0= I work in the university setting.=A0 I have 4 college degrees and I can te= ll you the Republican party is going to have to start listening to what the american people want.=A0 They are going to have to realize that times have= changed and we are no longer in the 1950's where rich white men are the on= ly ones with any say in what goes on.=A0 They refuse to give up the old boy= s network.=A0 That day is over.=A0 For one I'm glad it is.=A0 I'm tired of = seeing people get positions they don't deserve just because they know someo= ne.=A0 It should be based on merit and whether you do a good job.=A0 Not ju= st because you know joe blow and he got you the position.=A0 Thats not lead= ership.=A0 Thats an old boys network.=A0 I'm telling you if the repubilcans= don't clean up their act and listen to the beat of the country they'll kee= p losing.=A0 We are in a new day now.=A0 If you study history and sociology= you see that society has loosened up and become more liberal as time moves= on.=A0 That is the natural evolution of a modern 1st world society.=A0 Oh = that conservative movement used to be a lot worse than you could ever belie= ve.=A0 Here in South Carolina the last time I heard we still had a dumb law on th= e books that said no sex on sunday.=A0 Think about the things that we think= are dumb and antiquated by todays standards.=A0 You think about those and = you see where we are headed.=A0 Times change and people either change or th= ey get left behind.=A0 We might remain nostalgic about AM radio or AM stere= o but staying nostalgic about times where people had less rights is just pl= ain dumb and uneducated.=A0 We are evolving as a country and you either get= with it or you get left behind and just look like a dumb bigot stuck in th= e past.=A0 Republicans will have to get used to our new more tolerant socie= ty as it evolves and have to shed some of their antiquated conservative ide= as because they do not fit in a modern intelligent society.=A0 There is no = room for an intollerant party.=A0=20 =A0 --- On Wed, 11/26/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 11:34 AM In the primary elections, it became clear when it was over that Obama's win= of just one-tenth of a percentage point of the 35 million=20 votes cast that the media's pro-Obama bias created that narrow margin of vi= ctory. The general election result wasn't that close, and the punishing cir= cumstances of vigorous Bush hatred and the collapse of economic confidence = possibly were just too much for the GOP nominee to overcome. But try and imagine how different this campaign would have looked if=20 the media's momentum manufacturers favored McCain with all the=20 unashamed ardor and aggression that they brought in support of Obama.=20 Deep down, the media agree with Evan Thomas that their bias can add=20 five or ten points to a Democrat's vote total, and they eagerly=20 demonstrated that they were ready to shred their own credibility as=20 allegedly objective referees to achieve that victorious result. Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: This may be true but like so many others I don't think you understand the s= tark differences in young people today.=A0 I work with college age kids and= let me tell you it's a much different world.=A0 The baby boomers are retir= ing every day.=A0 My generation is the next after the baby boomers and we a= re way more liberal than the baby boomers were.=A0 The generation below min= e is more so than we are.=A0 Things are changing and will change, I promise= you that.=A0 If you don't think so you are simply out of touch or you eith= er don't understand people younger than you are.=A0 This isn't meant to be = mean but I'm saying you don't have a grasp on the way the country has chang= ed and where it is going.=A0 I just wonder how long it will take the conser= vative crowd to realize this and abandon their my way or the highway approa= ch because people simply don't go for that anymore.=A0 The current presiden= t and vice president have cast a shadow over the republicans that will haun= t them for a long time.=A0 I do not believe bush will be the elder statesman = that many other former presidents have been.=A0 I think too many in his own= party will abandon and simply hope to forget him and his years in office b= ecause it did so much damage to the party. =A0 --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Dick W wrote: From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 4:32 PM While I agree that the public rejected the extreme recent policies of the R= epublican Party, the Democratic Party should not fool itself into thinkling= that they have been given a mandate for an extreme left wing shift. The pu= blic is basically middle of the road, and they have correctly identified th= e failures of the recent Republican administration. However, the public wil= l not embrace an extreme left agenda, and the Democrats will make a serious= strategic error if they fial to understand that. Dick W. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY Kevin thats alright, let the dumbasses fall. We all know who won the electi= on and why. Those dumbasses never listen. They are so out of touch with thi= s country that its insane. We'll sit back and watch them lose again in 4 ye= ars and then 8 years until they decide to change their game and listen to t= he american people. Closed minded america is gone. They better learn. --- On Mon, 11/24/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:57 AM On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > For the Record, the muslim rumor was started by the CLINTON campaign > in the Democratic Primary. I don't know this to be true but the dumbass Republicans kept at it=20 with this until McCain lost and the majority of states told the=20 Republicans what they thought of this stuff. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 26 09:56:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1316 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 17:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 17:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 17:56:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86270 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2008 17:55:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dmAz37cVM1lElRxEcnAcTbsPi7y.9TmY52e1KWUsKzfxTovkg95AOXnwi6wnxZlvu3UCExKwa5ncr0zjZcXen8VksW_fn0ELoqbwpapNDTzZmGZLqqMyQvVwgkzPQQ_Sq_9OR6Cx5tBHV.jsyu3plzy1pWmr8PLR_ZJx.nkxhHViHWw- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:55:51 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:55:51 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <865803.19355.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <473717.83334.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speaking of shoes... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=KwkQoi3Izei4KO-NHZiHWT2iYfEHqzOuDs-NEZ4oSkKmA1P1oxHx X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Powell, I wanted to recommend a line of shoes for you.=A0 I will tell you the most = comfortable shoes ive ever worn are Skechers.=A0 Even their dressier shoes = are very cusioned and comfortable.=A0 Their tennis and running shoes are gr= eat.=A0 They have a website located at: =A0 http://www.skechers.com/ =A0 But you can buy skechers at Shoe Carnival at most of their locations.=A0 Li= ke I said skechers sell athletic type shoes, dressier shoes, and boots even= .=A0 It might be worth a try to visit Shoe Carnival and see if they have a = pair of comfortable shoes for you.=A0 Every single pair I've ever worn were= comfortable.=A0 They are roomier and are well cushioned shoes, even as I s= aid their dressier types.=A0 They arent overly expensive either.=A0 Go Try = on a pair and see if they might be a good fit for you.=A0 Let me know how i= t goes. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: {AMSF} Speaking of shoes... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 10:25 AM Red Wing makes stuff in US, their WORX line is Chinese. Now, I have Plantar= Fasciitis in my right foot. I have inserts to help, but my WESCO and White= s logger boots are THE most comfortable to wear, and they are HAND MADE in = the US ( PNW) and are rebuildable if you don't damage them too severely.=20 And just for DoNNNN, I have some flannel plaid Converse All Stars.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Donn Tillman wrote: > Well said, Dick. > Donn > btw- for those wanting to buy items made in the U.S. ; SAS > (San Antonio Shoes) makes extremely well made shoes that are > very comfortable and durable; not need to buy shoes from > China or other countries that are undermining our economy. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Nov 26 10:15:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80870 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 18:15:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 18:15:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 18:15:02 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail06.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.146]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEU5ES3AXUUYGS for (sender ); Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:14:49 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD4BLxiKOGF1DbGsKdJC+lh8= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail06.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2XN7N92; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:14:13 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail06.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:13:39 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:13:39 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081126.101339.21040.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 14:7:1555468951 X-MAIL-INFO:1f6d3539813d44b081bd01d9bda1299575bd1029c0a431f431f454b454ed4054d1403010e049f1c9f9c94565e4f1755119b02dd085c9b4a4d49404c994d1ed65eda44094dd455d891135ed7d5dd99d1029e529e591cd91e4e191e0e1b05d74a1800d600d70847980d509f9013d81750dcd10ad64240d64e0e484e410e16400708da0b1c4895d894111304111555d1125a08dfd49b4b5d1612d943571d0d4540135d194ddbd7d547d211979a98d54d119342541257d741979c180042011792574050d24a525010dd5b9448195a59575bd1029c085150509e9e4a010a0cd00e9c0b0f95940e1c9b0f1c0c0e42d242df1f1a154f17531a4b11d94d1 54d1c1fdf46d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.146|webmail06.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speaking of shoes... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=J_OaYfOGgEBw5Gtp7qBa0L7e1jD12P9oSj15fNZmDg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Skechers are made in Italian sweatshops! -- clemsonbloke wrote: Powell, I wanted to recommend a line of shoes for you.=A0 I will tell you the most = comfortable shoes ive ever worn are Skechers.=A0 Even their dressier shoes = are very cusioned and comfortable.=A0 Their tennis and running shoes are gr= eat.=A0 They have a website located at: =A0 http://www.skechers.com/ =A0 But you can buy skechers at Shoe Carnival at most of their locations.=A0 Li= ke I said skechers sell athletic type shoes, dressier shoes, and boots even= .=A0 It might be worth a try to visit Shoe Carnival and see if they have a = pair of comfortable shoes for you.=A0 Every single pair I've ever worn were= comfortable.=A0 They are roomier and are well cushioned shoes, even as I s= aid their dressier types.=A0 They arent overly expensive either.=A0 Go Try = on a pair and see if they might be a good fit for you.=A0 Let me know how i= t goes. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: {AMSF} Speaking of shoes... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 10:25 AM Red Wing makes stuff in US, their WORX line is Chinese. Now, I have Plantar= Fasciitis in my right foot. I have inserts to help, but my WESCO and White= s logger boots are THE most comfortable to wear, and they are HAND MADE in = the US ( PNW) and are rebuildable if you don't damage them too severely.=20 And just for DoNNNN, I have some flannel plaid Converse All Stars.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Donn Tillman wrote: > Well said, Dick. > Donn > btw- for those wanting to buy items made in the U.S. ; SAS > (San Antonio Shoes) makes extremely well made shoes that are > very comfortable and durable; not need to buy shoes from > China or other countries that are undermining our economy. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 10:46:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54028 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 18:46:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 18:46:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 18:46:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85629 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2008 18:46:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EhabhxIVM1kg9r0ZPvbGQBYVYnWQoRLIueg_ce4AUddLK759I_RimALaGileUGX0FrMKv0J5mvTPZUrqUdP75soYgS4vFLP84RKCnC4SL1C3DeCEhHgsMCCzLj3CghLoCJuBlZjwQoTGbEJUT9uMKK3pP4uNUoNxzvnx6t4qvuVfY7uLDYkJkoULSQ-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:46:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:46:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081126.101339.21040.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <142169.85451.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speaking of shoes... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=RaR5Qhi7xwCR-Cy4K2E77V9NQlbaU15lpvg6rKhxt1U X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The ones I have say made in China. They are OK. But I don't get the support from them as I do from these tall lace up to my knee Whites I am wearing today. I had them rebuilt last year for $220. A new pair is nearly $500. I need to get them more broken in to walk the long Christmas parade with a wolfdog on the 6th in Black Mountain! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 11/26/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Skechers are made in Italian sweatshops! From w6yn@juno.com Wed Nov 26 10:53:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34486 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 18:53:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 18:53:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 18:53:43 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail06.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.146]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEU5G3HAH7VCV2 for (sender ); Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:53:27 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8Q4ZhvqUz4Z1grl2xuyiY0= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail06.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2XRD9J8; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:52:46 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail06.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:51:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:51:51 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081126.105151.21040.1@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 30:15:2138647880 X-MAIL-INFO:115ef7def7dedfd3dffa9adf3a9a732f3e3f5a77cf77cbafa75abb076a9bbe9fea77d35edaab9e77ab3afaaffa5e9aab63cb5b4a8b97fac35b278e2f234323430e030ea74b0e3e4b9b5b1eceeeb3ebb3ba6f0beefe1bcf6e0a7bbbb3032f4e2b2ab32b3ea76fa72f4b2bfbba872e7eca4a5b4ab78b73b78b935b8b5f2e87133fd3173a37beab97a39fdadf6e973aab637ac3dfc38a6a0bef87df3a6ac75fb75fc31e6a0baeee9e1f8b0b5f1ed7b32a675f6eb3fe57477b026702bb7a2f23e3eaf3d71b8fa72e2f2e03fb8fe39bcf3b9a4b779b5ae3e3a7be2abe5a5acedf5abbf75e7e1aab3adf3aae13dedb X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.146|webmail06.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=0ftcYtdW6sgfYyVbN0U7mDOpnHr3qQ1bDLjBmfh-lw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Just to touch on one of your points: "The old guard doesnt want a black man in the white house=20 period." An interesting dichotomy - The Democratic Party today is anti-black: Democrats have been running black communities for the past 40 years, and th= e socialist policies of the Democrats have turned black communities into ec= onomic and social wastelands. Democrats have the audacity to blame Republi= cans for the crisis in black neighborhoods created by the Democrats. Democratic Party operatives trashed black Democrat Juan Williams, calling h= im a =93Happy Negro=94 for daring to expose the failed socialist policies o= f the Democrats in his book =93Enough: The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movement= s, and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America.=94 To their shame, Democrats deliberately keep blacks in poverty because Democ= rats have built their political power base on the backs of poor blacks, jus= t as Democrats built their economic power base on the backs of poor blacks = during the days of slavery. The centuries-old election year strategy of the= Democrats is to keep blacks poor, angry and voting for Democrats. Every e= lection cycle, Democrats preach hatred against Republicans and incite black= s to cast a protest vote against Republicans, not for Democrats.=20 With the complicity of the liberal press, Democrats hide their actions that= keep blacks in poverty. For instance, Democrats are aligned with the Teac= hers=92 Union and block efforts of Republicans to provide school choice sch= olarships to black parents so they can get their children out of failing sc= hools. Democrats put the special interests of the Teachers=92 Union over t= hat of poor blacks. Democrats do not want to acknowledge that the money be= longs to the people, not the buildings that are controlled by the teacher's= unions. Democrats are also aligned with the AARP, one of the Democratic Party=92s b= iggest special interest groups and block Social Security reform, even thoug= h blacks on average lose $10,000 in the system because blacks on average ha= ve a five-year shorter life expectancy. Senate Democrats on April 1, 2004 blocked passage of a bill to renew the 19= 96 welfare reform law that was pushed by Republicans and vetoed twice by Pr= esident Bill Clinton before he finally signed it. It wasn=92t until 2005 t= hat the Republicans were finally able to achieve the extension of welfare r= eform that allows the money to be used for job training, transportation and= child care, rather than just a government handout where Uncle Sam replaces= the father in black families. Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: The media bias was certainly there BUT I have no doubt Obama would have won= regardless.=A0 Anyone with any sense knows we don't need 4 or 8 of the sam= e 8.=A0 Thats exactly what Mccain would have been.=A0 Republicans needed to= learn a lesson and also they need to quit being butt headed about where th= is country is going.=A0 it is evolving into a more accepting society.=A0 Th= e old guard doesnt want a black man in the white house period.=A0 Nor do th= ey like or accept gays.=A0 They also don't want women to have reproductive = rights and control of their own bodies.=A0 As I've said over and over they = want the rich white men to rule in a world where women and minorities have = little influence.=A0 Oh you can hear it in their voices daily on the talk r= adio circuit.=A0 Too bad though because they can't do anything about it.=A0= I work in the university setting.=A0 I have 4 college degrees and I can te= ll you the Republican party is going to have to start listening to what the american people want.=A0 They are going to have to realize that times have= changed and we are no longer in the 1950's where rich white men are the on= ly ones with any say in what goes on.=A0 They refuse to give up the old boy= s network.=A0 That day is over.=A0 For one I'm glad it is.=A0 I'm tired of = seeing people get positions they don't deserve just because they know someo= ne.=A0 It should be based on merit and whether you do a good job.=A0 Not ju= st because you know joe blow and he got you the position.=A0 Thats not lead= ership.=A0 Thats an old boys network.=A0 I'm telling you if the repubilcans= don't clean up their act and listen to the beat of the country they'll kee= p losing.=A0 We are in a new day now.=A0 If you study history and sociology= you see that society has loosened up and become more liberal as time moves= on.=A0 That is the natural evolution of a modern 1st world society.=A0 Oh = that conservative movement used to be a lot worse than you could ever belie= ve.=A0 Here in South Carolina the last time I heard we still had a dumb law on th= e books that said no sex on sunday.=A0 Think about the things that we think= are dumb and antiquated by todays standards.=A0 You think about those and = you see where we are headed.=A0 Times change and people either change or th= ey get left behind.=A0 We might remain nostalgic about AM radio or AM stere= o but staying nostalgic about times where people had less rights is just pl= ain dumb and uneducated.=A0 We are evolving as a country and you either get= with it or you get left behind and just look like a dumb bigot stuck in th= e past.=A0 Republicans will have to get used to our new more tolerant socie= ty as it evolves and have to shed some of their antiquated conservative ide= as because they do not fit in a modern intelligent society.=A0 There is no = room for an intollerant party.=A0=20 =A0 --- On Wed, 11/26/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 11:34 AM In the primary elections, it became clear when it was over that Obama's win= of just one-tenth of a percentage point of the 35 million=20 votes cast that the media's pro-Obama bias created that narrow margin of vi= ctory. The general election result wasn't that close, and the punishing cir= cumstances of vigorous Bush hatred and the collapse of economic confidence = possibly were just too much for the GOP nominee to overcome. But try and imagine how different this campaign would have looked if=20 the media's momentum manufacturers favored McCain with all the=20 unashamed ardor and aggression that they brought in support of Obama.=20 Deep down, the media agree with Evan Thomas that their bias can add=20 five or ten points to a Democrat's vote total, and they eagerly=20 demonstrated that they were ready to shred their own credibility as=20 allegedly objective referees to achieve that victorious result. Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: This may be true but like so many others I don't think you understand the s= tark differences in young people today.=A0 I work with college age kids and= let me tell you it's a much different world.=A0 The baby boomers are retir= ing every day.=A0 My generation is the next after the baby boomers and we a= re way more liberal than the baby boomers were.=A0 The generation below min= e is more so than we are.=A0 Things are changing and will change, I promise= you that.=A0 If you don't think so you are simply out of touch or you eith= er don't understand people younger than you are.=A0 This isn't meant to be = mean but I'm saying you don't have a grasp on the way the country has chang= ed and where it is going.=A0 I just wonder how long it will take the conser= vative crowd to realize this and abandon their my way or the highway approa= ch because people simply don't go for that anymore.=A0 The current presiden= t and vice president have cast a shadow over the republicans that will haun= t them for a long time.=A0 I do not believe bush will be the elder statesman = that many other former presidents have been.=A0 I think too many in his own= party will abandon and simply hope to forget him and his years in office b= ecause it did so much damage to the party. =A0 --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Dick W wrote: From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 4:32 PM While I agree that the public rejected the extreme recent policies of the R= epublican Party, the Democratic Party should not fool itself into thinkling= that they have been given a mandate for an extreme left wing shift. The pu= blic is basically middle of the road, and they have correctly identified th= e failures of the recent Republican administration. However, the public wil= l not embrace an extreme left agenda, and the Democrats will make a serious= strategic error if they fial to understand that. Dick W. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY Kevin thats alright, let the dumbasses fall. We all know who won the electi= on and why. Those dumbasses never listen. They are so out of touch with thi= s country that its insane. We'll sit back and watch them lose again in 4 ye= ars and then 8 years until they decide to change their game and listen to t= he american people. Closed minded america is gone. They better learn. --- On Mon, 11/24/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:57 AM On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > For the Record, the muslim rumor was started by the CLINTON campaign > in the Democratic Primary. I don't know this to be true but the dumbass Republicans kept at it=20 with this until McCain lost and the majority of states told the=20 Republicans what they thought of this stuff. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! 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Groups Links From dwtpa97@verizon.net Wed Nov 26 14:05:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54922 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 22:05:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 22:05:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.1) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 22:05:06 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KAY003GPO0F83D0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:05:05 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:05:06 -0500 To: Message-id: <7DF2DF74C34A424AA8D303CC7DFDEB28@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20081126.083400.10686.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=o_Cz7xROByfiNTrN-WCD0xW5iiccfUYRtk7VDhu5DUonGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I tuned into talk programs on radio, all I heard was anti-Obama rhetoric. When I tuned into television, particularly on Fox, I heard a steady stream of anti-Obama comments. And while I think there was some TV bias against Palin, I saw nothing that was prejudicial against McCain (except for a couple of very liberal commentators on MSNBC). My impression is that Obama was the one that was mistreated, at least by some of the media. Dick W ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY In the primary elections, it became clear when it was over that Obama's win of just one-tenth of a percentage point of the 35 million votes cast that the media's pro-Obama bias created that narrow margin of victory. The general election result wasn't that close, and the punishing circumstances of vigorous Bush hatred and the collapse of economic confidence possibly were just too much for the GOP nominee to overcome. But try and imagine how different this campaign would have looked if the media's momentum manufacturers favored McCain with all the unashamed ardor and aggression that they brought in support of Obama. Deep down, the media agree with Evan Thomas that their bias can add five or ten points to a Democrat's vote total, and they eagerly demonstrated that they were ready to shred their own credibility as allegedly objective referees to achieve that victorious result. Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: This may be true but like so many others I don't think you understand the stark differences in young people today. I work with college age kids and let me tell you it's a much different world. The baby boomers are retiring every day. My generation is the next after the baby boomers and we are way more liberal than the baby boomers were. The generation below mine is more so than we are. Things are changing and will change, I promise you that. If you don't think so you are simply out of touch or you either don't understand people younger than you are. This isn't meant to be mean but I'm saying you don't have a grasp on the way the country has changed and where it is going. I just wonder how long it will take the conservative crowd to realize this and abandon their my way or the highway approach because people simply don't go for that anymore. The current president and vice president have cast a shadow over the republicans that will haunt them for a long time. I do not believe bush will be the elder statesman that many other former presidents have been. I think too many in his own party will abandon and simply hope to forget him and his years in office because it did so much damage to the party. --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Dick W wrote: From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 4:32 PM While I agree that the public rejected the extreme recent policies of the Republican Party, the Democratic Party should not fool itself into thinkling that they have been given a mandate for an extreme left wing shift. The public is basically middle of the road, and they have correctly identified the failures of the recent Republican administration. However, the public will not embrace an extreme left agenda, and the Democrats will make a serious strategic error if they fial to understand that. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY Kevin thats alright, let the dumbasses fall. We all know who won the election and why. Those dumbasses never listen. They are so out of touch with this country that its insane. We'll sit back and watch them lose again in 4 years and then 8 years until they decide to change their game and listen to the american people. Closed minded america is gone. They better learn. --- On Mon, 11/24/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:57 AM On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > For the Record, the muslim rumor was started by the CLINTON campaign > in the Democratic Primary. I don't know this to be true but the dumbass Republicans kept at it with this until McCain lost and the majority of states told the Republicans what they thought of this stuff. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Its good to be back Jim Smith Loomis Ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 26 15:39:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67777 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 23:39:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 23:39:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 23:39:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42706 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2008 23:39:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RVsTEe4VM1mnc8gvaeFUMA2iIMITJgncWHkRB5qIQfJF6F3NB0ds0fJibZXTlHuc6MpK29GmLcGEFF9RItMbCP8FJi.N3dAem1L3bSMm5lrywn82ich1Xa5piqrVGe0JLTSFdK7ATyONzMmouRLH_dhOX_TacsqYLOwf3zxfN1RGATw- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:39:30 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:39:30 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081126.101339.21040.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <757015.42260.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speaking of shoes... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=is_kxUllgM5YYbMwrST359IsSxQNKU4A0GIY3CEtNHMWud1AQrOL X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They are the best shoes ive had in years.=A0 I've been buying them for abou= t 5 or 6 years now and I have several pair. --- On Wed, 11/26/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Speaking of shoes... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 1:13 PM Skechers are made in Italian sweatshops! -- clemsonbloke wrote: Powell, I wanted to recommend a line of shoes for you.=A0 I will tell you the most = comfortable shoes ive ever worn are Skechers.=A0 Even their dressier shoes = are very cusioned and comfortable.=A0 Their tennis and running shoes are gr= eat.=A0 They have a website located at: =A0 http://www.skechers .com/ =A0 But you can buy skechers at Shoe Carnival at most of their locations.=A0 Li= ke I said skechers sell athletic type shoes, dressier shoes, and boots even= .=A0 It might be worth a try to visit Shoe Carnival and see if they have a = pair of comfortable shoes for you.=A0 Every single pair I've ever worn were= comfortable.=A0 They are roomier and are well cushioned shoes, even as I s= aid their dressier types.=A0 They arent overly expensive either.=A0 Go Try = on a pair and see if they might be a good fit for you.=A0 Let me know how i= t goes. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: {AMSF} Speaking of shoes... To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 10:25 AM Red Wing makes stuff in US, their WORX line is Chinese. Now, I have Plantar= Fasciitis in my right foot. I have inserts to help, but my WESCO and White= s logger boots are THE most comfortable to wear, and they are HAND MADE in = the US ( PNW) and are rebuildable if you don't damage them too severely.=20 And just for DoNNNN, I have some flannel plaid Converse All Stars.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Donn Tillman wrote: > Well said, Dick. > Donn > btw- for those wanting to buy items made in the U.S. ; SAS > (San Antonio Shoes) makes extremely well made shoes that are > very comfortable and durable; not need to buy shoes from > China or other countries that are undermining our economy. 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Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 26 15:48:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65976 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 23:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 23:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 23:48:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39057 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2008 23:48:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DwzsKuUVM1nJ69diZxp2Ukxvj4QB1xSlKLU1gtRG6ubjwc8QwT5ExVtD8p3gjI8574o57UWTudjwVgxIsU29AxtRHq9EQKBLrsLPkND9n9IM3dee9wm_NvxAPDc50bwc0Ev90V4cumVmU4Xg_9YPzskm.GkuwXWPNazsXDucjLEj.ko- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:48:04 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:48:04 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081126.105151.21040.1@webmail06.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <614660.37172.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ZHaLXadNHSEz8nVGWSFCUa1DJK6p3QAxOjprbqCJSSJ70oVe8puA X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you are talking about Jesse Jackson democrats then yes, he's a worthless= man who hasn't done anything for the black community except make things wo= rse.=A0 I don't think you can put Obama and Jackson in the same category.= =A0 I don't think Jackson even has a college degree does he?=A0 I don't thi= nk though that it's the democrats who keep poorer america down, I know it's= rich america.=A0 That is why they don't want to pay taxes.=A0 They want al= l the money for themselves.=A0 Republicans want the rich to keep getting ri= cher and the poor poorer.=A0 It's always been that way with them.=A0 Won't = change my mind there.=A0 I've seen it way too much. =A0 --- On Wed, 11/26/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 1:51 PM Just to touch on one of your points: "The old guard doesnt want a black man in the white house=20 period." An interesting dichotomy - The Democratic Party today is anti-black: Democrats have been running black communities for the past 40 years, and th= e socialist policies of the Democrats have turned black communities into ec= onomic and social wastelands. Democrats have the audacity to blame Republic= ans for the crisis in black neighborhoods created by the Democrats. Democratic Party operatives trashed black Democrat Juan Williams, calling h= im a =93Happy Negro=94 for daring to expose the failed socialist policies o= f the Democrats in his book =93Enough: The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movement= s, and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America.=94 To their shame, Democrats deliberately keep blacks in poverty because Democ= rats have built their political power base on the backs of poor blacks, jus= t as Democrats built their economic power base on the backs of poor blacks = during the days of slavery. The centuries-old election year strategy of the= Democrats is to keep blacks poor, angry and voting for Democrats. Every el= ection cycle, Democrats preach hatred against Republicans and incite blacks= to cast a protest vote against Republicans, not for Democrats.=20 With the complicity of the liberal press, Democrats hide their actions that= keep blacks in poverty. For instance, Democrats are aligned with the Teach= ers=92 Union and block efforts of Republicans to provide school choice scho= larships to black parents so they can get their children out of failing sch= ools. Democrats put the special interests of the Teachers=92 Union over tha= t of poor blacks. Democrats do not want to acknowledge that the money belon= gs to the people, not the buildings that are controlled by the teacher's un= ions. Democrats are also aligned with the AARP, one of the Democratic Party=92s b= iggest special interest groups and block Social Security reform, even thoug= h blacks on average lose $10,000 in the system because blacks on average ha= ve a five-year shorter life expectancy. Senate Democrats on April 1, 2004 blocked passage of a bill to renew the 19= 96 welfare reform law that was pushed by Republicans and vetoed twice by Pr= esident Bill Clinton before he finally signed it. It wasn=92t until 2005 th= at the Republicans were finally able to achieve the extension of welfare re= form that allows the money to be used for job training, transportation and = child care, rather than just a government handout where Uncle Sam replaces = the father in black families. Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: The media bias was certainly there BUT I have no doubt Obama would have won= regardless.=A0 Anyone with any sense knows we don't need 4 or 8 of the sam= e 8.=A0 Thats exactly what Mccain would have been.=A0 Republicans needed to= learn a lesson and also they need to quit being butt headed about where th= is country is going.=A0 it is evolving into a more accepting society.=A0 Th= e old guard doesnt want a black man in the white house period.=A0 Nor do th= ey like or accept gays.=A0 They also don't want women to have reproductive = rights and control of their own bodies.=A0 As I've said over and over they = want the rich white men to rule in a world where women and minorities have = little influence.=A0 Oh you can hear it in their voices daily on the talk r= adio circuit.=A0 Too bad though because they can't do anything about it.=A0= I work in the university setting.=A0 I have 4 college degrees and I can te= ll you the Republican party is going to have to start listening to what the american people want.=A0 They are going to have to realize that times have = changed and we are no longer in the 1950's where rich white men are the onl= y ones with any say in what goes on.=A0 They refuse to give up the old boys= network.=A0 That day is over.=A0 For one I'm glad it is.=A0 I'm tired of s= eeing people get positions they don't deserve just because they know someon= e.=A0 It should be based on merit and whether you do a good job.=A0 Not jus= t because you know joe blow and he got you the position.=A0 Thats not leade= rship.=A0 Thats an old boys network.=A0 I'm telling you if the repubilcans = don't clean up their act and listen to the beat of the country they'll keep= losing.=A0 We are in a new day now.=A0 If you study history and sociology = you see that society has loosened up and become more liberal as time moves = on.=A0 That is the natural evolution of a modern 1st world society.=A0 Oh t= hat conservative movement used to be a lot worse than you could ever believ= e.=A0 Here in South Carolina the last time I heard we still had a dumb law on the= books that said no sex on sunday.=A0 Think about the things that we think = are dumb and antiquated by todays standards.=A0 You think about those and y= ou see where we are headed.=A0 Times change and people either change or the= y get left behind.=A0 We might remain nostalgic about AM radio or AM stereo= but staying nostalgic about times where people had less rights is just pla= in dumb and uneducated.=A0 We are evolving as a country and you either get = with it or you get left behind and just look like a dumb bigot stuck in the= past.=A0 Republicans will have to get used to our new more tolerant societ= y as it evolves and have to shed some of their antiquated conservative idea= s because they do not fit in a modern intelligent society.=A0 There is no r= oom for an intollerant party.=A0=20 =A0 --- On Wed, 11/26/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 11:34 AM In the primary elections, it became clear when it was over that Obama's win= of just one-tenth of a percentage point of the 35 million=20 votes cast that the media's pro-Obama bias created that narrow margin of vi= ctory. The general election result wasn't that close, and the punishing cir= cumstances of vigorous Bush hatred and the collapse of economic confidence = possibly were just too much for the GOP nominee to overcome. But try and imagine how different this campaign would have looked if=20 the media's momentum manufacturers favored McCain with all the=20 unashamed ardor and aggression that they brought in support of Obama.=20 Deep down, the media agree with Evan Thomas that their bias can add=20 five or ten points to a Democrat's vote total, and they eagerly=20 demonstrated that they were ready to shred their own credibility as=20 allegedly objective referees to achieve that victorious result. Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: This may be true but like so many others I don't think you understand the s= tark differences in young people today.=A0 I work with college age kids and= let me tell you it's a much different world.=A0 The baby boomers are retir= ing every day.=A0 My generation is the next after the baby boomers and we a= re way more liberal than the baby boomers were.=A0 The generation below min= e is more so than we are.=A0 Things are changing and will change, I promise= you that.=A0 If you don't think so you are simply out of touch or you eith= er don't understand people younger than you are.=A0 This isn't meant to be = mean but I'm saying you don't have a grasp on the way the country has chang= ed and where it is going.=A0 I just wonder how long it will take the conser= vative crowd to realize this and abandon their my way or the highway approa= ch because people simply don't go for that anymore.=A0 The current presiden= t and vice president have cast a shadow over the republicans that will haun= t them for a long time.=A0 I do not believe bush will be the elder statesman = that many other former presidents have been.=A0 I think too many in his own= party will abandon and simply hope to forget him and his years in office b= ecause it did so much damage to the party. =A0 --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Dick W wrote: From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 4:32 PM While I agree that the public rejected the extreme recent policies of the R= epublican Party, the Democratic Party should not fool itself into thinkling= that they have been given a mandate for an extreme left wing shift. The pu= blic is basically middle of the road, and they have correctly identified th= e failures of the recent Republican administration. However, the public wil= l not embrace an extreme left agenda, and the Democrats will make a serious= strategic error if they fial to understand that. Dick W. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY Kevin thats alright, let the dumbasses fall. We all know who won the electi= on and why. Those dumbasses never listen. They are so out of touch with thi= s country that its insane. We'll sit back and watch them lose again in 4 ye= ars and then 8 years until they decide to change their game and listen to t= he american people. Closed minded america is gone. They better learn. --- On Mon, 11/24/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:57 AM On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > For the Record, the muslim rumor was started by the CLINTON campaign > in the Democratic Primary. I don't know this to be true but the dumbass Republicans kept at it=20 with this until McCain lost and the majority of states told the=20 Republicans what they thought of this stuff. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! 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Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 26 15:55:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24834 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2008 23:55:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2008 23:55:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 23:55:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62532 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Nov 2008 23:55:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 56p5F7YVM1mF2FYZbhHvd0cHuQMcqxo9G21IYxoYI4qFqguRodw5ItCVEMk2mXD4TAGCEM60QwMRsOU4Oj.OQI2PQ632oGRf42dV2yjFtgjzV4LHLXsFdCjT3vQsQDB9xVQgIc4lie3U0udx3ilf6L4EjQOqG4Qgu85I8cQ3BRsIF38- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:55:15 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:55:15 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7DF2DF74C34A424AA8D303CC7DFDEB28@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <852670.61948.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=52djrote209kWMBxomRziuUnL_cfukqAxS_gVb87VC8Tt71UnHYM X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He was the one being mistreated.=A0 Of course thats what you'll always get = on the FOX=3DFuc#$&! Old Xenophobe network.=A0I think you can fill in the 4= blanks on the "F" part.=A0 As far as Palin, we already covered the fact th= at she's a loser.=A0 That whole party is a sideshow.=A0 Maybe they should t= eam up with the Ringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey show and go on the road= .=A0 Straight talk express my ass.=A0 More like Old tired Ass express.=A0 h= aha --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Dick W wrote: From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 5:05 PM When I tuned into talk programs on radio, all I heard was anti-Obama rhetor= ic. When I tuned into television, particularly on Fox, I heard a steady str= eam of anti-Obama comments. And while I think there was some TV bias agains= t Palin, I saw nothing that was prejudicial against McCain (except for a co= uple of very liberal commentators on MSNBC). My impression is that Obama wa= s the one that was mistreated, at least by some of the media. Dick W ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY In the primary elections, it became clear when it was over that Obama's win= of just one-tenth of a percentage point of the 35 million=20 votes cast that the media's pro-Obama bias created that narrow margin of vi= ctory. The general election result wasn't that close, and the punishing cir= cumstances of vigorous Bush hatred and the collapse of economic confidence = possibly were just too much for the GOP nominee to overcome. But try and imagine how different this campaign would have looked if=20 the media's momentum manufacturers favored McCain with all the=20 unashamed ardor and aggression that they brought in support of Obama.=20 Deep down, the media agree with Evan Thomas that their bias can add=20 five or ten points to a Democrat's vote total, and they eagerly=20 demonstrated that they were ready to shred their own credibility as=20 allegedly objective referees to achieve that victorious result. Don -- clemsonbloke wrote: This may be true but like so many others I don't think you understand the s= tark differences in young people today. I work with college age kids and le= t me tell you it's a much different world. The baby boomers are retiring ev= ery day. My generation is the next after the baby boomers and we are way mo= re liberal than the baby boomers were. The generation below mine is more so= than we are. Things are changing and will change, I promise you that. If y= ou don't think so you are simply out of touch or you either don't understan= d people younger than you are. This isn't meant to be mean but I'm saying y= ou don't have a grasp on the way the country has changed and where it is go= ing. I just wonder how long it will take the conservative crowd to realize = this and abandon their my way or the highway approach because people simply= don't go for that anymore. The current president and vice president have c= ast a shadow over the republicans that will haunt them for a long time. I do not believe bush will be the elder statesman tha= t many other former presidents have been. I think too many in his own party= will abandon and simply hope to forget him and his years in office because= it did so much damage to the party. --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Dick W wrote: From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 4:32 PM While I agree that the public rejected the extreme recent policies of the R= epublican Party, the Democratic Party should not fool itself into thinkling= that they have been given a mandate for an extreme left wing shift. The pu= blic is basically middle of the road, and they have correctly identified th= e failures of the recent Republican administration. However, the public wil= l not embrace an extreme left agenda, and the Democrats will make a serious= strategic error if they fial to understand that. Dick W. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY Kevin thats alright, let the dumbasses fall. We all know who won the electi= on and why. Those dumbasses never listen. They are so out of touch with thi= s country that its insane. We'll sit back and watch them lose again in 4 ye= ars and then 8 years until they decide to change their game and listen to t= he american people. Closed minded america is gone. They better learn. --- On Mon, 11/24/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 7:57 AM On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:24 AM, Possum Hunter wrote: > For the Record, the muslim rumor was started by the CLINTON campaign > in the Democratic Primary. I don't know this to be true but the dumbass Republicans kept at it=20 with this until McCain lost and the majority of states told the=20 Republicans what they thought of this stuff. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! 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(big_h00pla@75.120.203.200 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2008 23:57:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AS72f1QVM1ldERdYn6A_t2ul8Omamu_qrP.31p4_GQygbgpZca8J8GdZswdEgnWkAIwaoD269AJKcM9GHektMMWCkpm1290Fa35jjYxMUJU5VQRGp30TPymF13yXQU3_vTdoYZLRhB.JATp_VIrkqiAJkdkk3ct0SaXTZw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <948722.7840.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <948722.7840.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:57:25 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=QWuw4kWVrJDRonY0dgGhbtagUg4p4uD7Him6Nj2m_cX4RpyliQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 26, 2008, at 5:20 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > My generation is the next after the baby boomers and we are way > more liberal than the baby boomers were. The generation below mine > is more so than we are. I can echo this. Younger people are sick to death of Republican policy. They are witnessing the economic wreckage the Bush 1 and 2 administrations have done. They compare it to the economic greatness of the Clinton administration and they are not stupid. Its easy to see which party sucks and screwed things up. The GOP will take 40 years to come out of the horrible wreckage the moronic neocon idiots have caused. The GOP isn't dead but its damn close. I like the "Thank You Sarah Palin" ads on TV. I know the Democratics who watch it say the same thing. I say thank you to her to show us all how paleolithic the thinking of the Republicans is and I hope to God she runs for president next time because we will utterly cause the GOP to cease to exist if they put her up to running. And since its Thanksgiving, I am thankful that the Republicans are irrelevant right now. Life might have a chance to get better for the working people. Its nice to see the party of Herbert Hoover, Edgar J. Hoover, and the modern Hoover, G. W. Bush is getting their reward for f-ing things so badly. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 16:01:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50422 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2008 00:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2008 00:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.147) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2008 00:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2008 00:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.253] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2008 00:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2008 00:01:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 413618.58573.bm@omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 52524 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2008 00:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.200 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2008 00:01:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lujmlq4VM1lGx7k6NbbWVPQ3mQvcAv6l.U6FkHsoiotpjlZjMJUQybDXANMc.v60tG7ZoX0RVzcsBCl_nAFR6pKYxzxlDg.4lvgfBBdCx_u1OoD4k2fxoJEyzRRs0X7aQYj1UVhux6oTMjji3T2WDNTwLrB2qfWDf7DVhg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081126.083400.10686.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20081126.083400.10686.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:01:43 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.147 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Y1g3KuqjXnTJzKBcms9m-TBBEU7MsA2IW2gn8zm1dahwnca3ig X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 26, 2008, at 4:34 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > In the primary elections, it became clear when it was over that > Obama's win of just one-tenth of a percentage point of the 35 million > votes cast that the media's pro-Obama bias created that narrow > margin of victory. The general vote is not important. Obama won the most states and the biggest vote in the electoral college. Your party was roundly repudiated and consigned to a few poor and backwards states in the south and midwest. You are even losing in western states that voted GOP forever. The GOP is irrelevant for the most part. All they can do for two years is be obstructionists. Won't that look good when it comes time for the next election. The Republicans will be known for being obstructionists and stopping an economic recovery. I sure hope Republicans are stupid enough to do it. It will make the Democrats have 75 in the Senate instead of 58 or 60. Your party is irrelevant. Post all you want. Its a fact. Get used to it. Kevin Adamsville, TN From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 16:03:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47520 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2008 00:03:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2008 00:03:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2008 00:03:48 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2008 00:03:48 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.73] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2008 00:03:48 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2008 00:03:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 369529.7321.bm@omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 9983 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2008 00:03:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.200 with plain) by smtp119.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2008 00:03:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JJZ.KHwVM1nRZoU2xTyx68lUueP1QVN4KeIbsifbalZrxfBJjilozEW0GEtW2eQgXtiW2S9folUDCgNaf5.r8zYXnJOyR04ZzYJtLfuKE9d47yM2fk1LrJB2IXnfOZCZKA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <852670.61948.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <852670.61948.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <231AE86A-A8EB-48CE-9278-86D9984D179D@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:03:46 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=DXVWyksmwZkS6vYQIT8mvhSw8-wh3vLe_AozHI4RIVaRhg2lHg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 26, 2008, at 5:55 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Of course thats what you'll always get on the FOX=Fuc#$&! Old > Xenophobe network. I believe the correct spelling is FAUX News. Kevin Adamsville, TN From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 26 16:54:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4165 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2008 00:54:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2008 00:54:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2008 00:54:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22670 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2008 00:54:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wrde31wVM1lWHmKx3ryxomiSPFrQ4eY6M7eKoNwl5LP8vmfnrb0V27x8T8pUKTLWXiK.BwAgH72FEqpz37nKM1gdzhUj1GcJdmuYgYniJekjgvRBNMla8OaRDzJ_hR9EFKxKxtu9uw3RkJ99k4qNdgKytEvkuD_qvZdJKjvrQA_N5NI- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:54:41 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:54:41 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <392879.22508.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=0UNoFwS9ReHO8zVsj74NeJ41rYVAtvr_g2tjt_oJHGWxtFzzVpIJ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah really.=A0 Edgar J. Hoover scary scary!=A0 He was just like them.=A0 S= cared of change, fearful and a closet homosexual.=A0 Hmm isnt this a patter= n in their party?=A0 Isn't this same party as Larry Craig (gay sex scandal)= , Tom Delay, Karl Rove, Duke Cunningham, Jack Abramoff, Mark Foley (yet ano= ther gay sex scandal), all scandalous?=A0 It's amazing all these republican= scandals that come out in the last few years.=A0 And they actually think p= eople are going to vote for these bafoons??=A0 Funny! =A0 --- On Wed, 11/26/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 6:57 PM On Nov 26, 2008, at 5:20 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > My generation is the next after the baby boomers and we are way=20 > more liberal than the baby boomers were. The generation below mine=20 > is more so than we are. I can echo this. Younger people are sick to death of Republican=20 policy. They are witnessing the economic wreckage the Bush 1 and 2=20 administrations have done. They compare it to the economic greatness=20 of the Clinton administration and they are not stupid. Its easy to=20 see which party sucks and screwed things up. The GOP will take 40 years to come out of the horrible wreckage the=20 moronic neocon idiots have caused. The GOP isn't dead but its damn=20 close. I like the "Thank You Sarah Palin" ads on TV. I know the Democratics=20 who watch it say the same thing. I say thank you to her to show us=20 all how paleolithic the thinking of the Republicans is and I hope to=20 God she runs for president next time because we will utterly cause=20 the GOP to cease to exist if they put her up to running. And since its Thanksgiving, I am thankful that the Republicans are=20 irrelevant right now. Life might have a chance to get better for the=20 working people. Its nice to see the party of Herbert Hoover, Edgar J.=20 Hoover, and the modern Hoover, G. W. Bush is getting their reward for=20 f-ing things so badly. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 26 16:55:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6398 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2008 00:55:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2008 00:55:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2008 00:55:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94006 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2008 00:55:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: S5miPNEVM1lXDUFac4tmhG_9DYcUl_bRBJl6_BgdUeR.36r7xh.eB2TzSVLffYnwNfcrkgtkdZn4.JZKHBXDn2JZSW6lhxsOT.uGijjprebwwsnfqY9hseR2w_kIL7aT_TzXbp4ezecZyJ4ukPcU9JvhbAUjvobyA9m.Y9wEjtD237A- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:55:22 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:55:22 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <355730.92927.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=RStZy52aB2VOOYWXt4eZ2Pzj86VMJR7dNh987udEZEW4zvJGtZeb X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep true true! =A0 --- On Wed, 11/26/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:01 PM On Nov 26, 2008, at 4:34 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > In the primary elections, it became clear when it was over that=20 > Obama's win of just one-tenth of a percentage point of the 35 million > votes cast that the media's pro-Obama bias created that narrow=20 > margin of victory. The general vote is not important. Obama won the most states and the=20 biggest vote in the electoral college. Your party was roundly repudiated and consigned to a few poor and=20 backwards states in the south and midwest. You are even losing in=20 western states that voted GOP forever. The GOP is irrelevant for the=20 most part. All they can do for two years is be obstructionists. Won't that look good when it comes time for the next election. The=20 Republicans will be known for being obstructionists and stopping an=20 economic recovery. I sure hope Republicans are stupid enough to do=20 it. It will make the Democrats have 75 in the Senate instead of 58 or=20 60. Your party is irrelevant. Post all you want. Its a fact. Get used to it. Kevin Adamsville, TN =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Nov 26 16:56:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78851 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2008 00:56:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2008 00:56:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2008 00:56:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82679 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2008 00:56:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oc6pJCAVM1msFGz51jn4lEPoFNt_Yk.R0SdpoSGAWPhzwt3ijJFpUKmcFivbv6yajR_WA1LdAcjAugxPTUGnNgfZw2dmhgcNQXK4xMOCi2AvrtExeYDownMvNMVF2xWy0X5roWKyzUMAPrZbB8ZgU6fOsrQp9l5ZenEr.uaTrgKTj58- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:56:26 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:56:26 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <231AE86A-A8EB-48CE-9278-86D9984D179D@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <461302.82455.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=hcaSholCPB3NrWjgWdyxSnkP3Pmad4wnNha3BK5hqOz0pKFtFEUj X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah cause theres no real news going on there.=A0 Well people in television= will tell you that they are only an entertainment novelty.=A0 It's about a= s much news as Reno 911 is about police, LOL!!=A0=20 =A0 =A0 --- On Wed, 11/26/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:03 PM On Nov 26, 2008, at 5:55 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Of course thats what you'll always get on the FOX=3DFuc#$&! Old=20 > Xenophobe network. I believe the correct spelling is FAUX News. Kevin Adamsville, TN =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Nov 26 17:22:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16488 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2008 01:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2008 01:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2008 01:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEU57TTAU72RY2 for (sender ); Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:21:53 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8hHMcDjCL+c3pkDlsb7ZfI= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N2YFNG2C; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:21:44 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.64] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:21:32 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:21:32 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081126.172132.13432.2@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 9:4:2169660122 X-MAIL-INFO:141c89fc45bd29450cdc38b82cbdc57c4ce1cd35b52c7531 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.149|webmail09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=zAfAsBuycHe0h2w-7VPTyOJYBgypyah_Ci_aOhVxWg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn My party was not in this race - your juvenile self assumptions are in error= . I am a member of the 'Leave Us Alone Party.' Your pompous arrogance to suppose my affiliations is telling. Again you deviate from the topic with disjointed rants. Don -- kevin redding wrote: The general vote is not important. Obama won the most states and the=20=20 biggest vote in the electoral college. Your party was roundly repudiated and consigned to a few poor and=20=20 backwards states in the south and midwest. You are even losing in=20=20 western states that voted GOP forever. The GOP is irrelevant for the=20=20 most part. All they can do for two years is be obstructionists. Won't that look good when it comes time for the next election. The=20=20 Republicans will be known for being obstructionists and stopping an=20=20 economic recovery. I sure hope Republicans are stupid enough to do=20=20 it. It will make the Democrats have 75 in the Senate instead of 58 or=20=20 60. Your party is irrelevant. Post all you want. Its a fact. Get used to it. Kevin Adamsville, TN On Nov 26, 2008, at 4:34 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > In the primary elections, it became clear when it was over that=20=20 > Obama's win of just one-tenth of a percentage point of the 35 million > votes cast that the media's pro-Obama bias created that narrow=20=20 > margin of victory.=20=20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 17:26:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48009 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2008 01:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2008 01:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.146) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2008 01:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2008 01:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2008 01:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2008 01:26:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 415409.71427.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 19666 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2008 01:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.200 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2008 01:26:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qIg.xFUVM1n2Or1nTlWfQp.kUTzYuvwaCCC0SVCa4VGj9_Qtt9FWN0lA1NXuagFGZhk7Qh6PviFV91JWxGTioA_xGna61.3b4nuOlZGojsm57CarhtJjPAFThZ7BQKdKA1d0GMu_V5XW.YtP38BQDjjNAYQgN5K5uYlN1w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081126.172132.13432.2@webmail09.dca.untd.com> References: <20081126.172132.13432.2@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0B35DEC8-B2FF-4F57-8EEC-CCA6EFE426CB@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:26:32 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=DnXnUuFva427s1PkOZU9hEeCb904ZdMwlRE5XPWvcff9ISXSvw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla I truly love it when you get excited, Don. :) Kevin On Nov 27, 2008, at 1:21 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > My party was not in this race - your juvenile self assumptions are > in error. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Nov 26 19:36:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49931 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2008 03:36:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Nov 2008 03:36:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.247) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2008 03:36:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2008 03:36:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2008 03:36:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:36:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c95018$424ab800$f968fea9@i9k2d1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.80 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Hi gang I am back!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ECRfCYnS8nxf5y31Pwviq4acUM5zaJSzPr53275uzzlQLNtJQA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi gang Its been awile but i am finly back on the forum. I saw a new=20 Accurian HD radio and it sound a lot better then the first one . I am=20 wondering if it has the same chip that the first one has. Its good to=20 be back Jim Smith Loomis Ca >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Sorry for my ignorance, Jim. When you say: "it sounds a lot better=20 than the first one", Are you talking about the digital audio stream?=20 or the analog audio chain? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 27 21:58:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13826 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 05:57:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 05:57:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp121.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.94) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 05:57:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14324 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 05:57:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimoqzclu5cdxj) (jimsmith95650@75.30.70.3 with login) by smtp121.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 05:57:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UXr242oVM1lB7Ml.XcbgHeNoDibf3tfki9BHcOqRKKH1Y.zG14riVB8vO7OXH9zp2kGhUpTl2TO6QrLGt188xO3zQkKwursMBruRSq_TVIZbZ39BU_X8ilzHPwHX1IhLATPdGyqxA9mvWk2QSJHaHlbS X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001001c9511e$444d86d0$d50bfea9@jimoqzclu5cdxj> To: References: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:57:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hi gang I am back!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=QRmIZgjvbJHc8u5et2YVuMx0axaf2CS8uOOWNW4vMfUgHVoFJIpcl73TyOTDBidnbCQ66UYr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jaun My mail is working very weird. I only herd the new one in analog.= The new one is like a home stereo with cd in it. Unone if the cd records o= r not. jim smith ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hi gang I am back!!!! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi gang Its been awile but i am finly back on the forum. I saw a new=20 Accurian HD radio and it sound a lot better then the first one . I am=20 wondering if it has the same chip that the first one has. Its good to=20 be back Jim Smith Loomis Ca >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Sorry for my ignorance, Jim. When you say: "it sounds a lot better=20 than the first one", Are you talking about the digital audio stream?=20 or the analog audio chain? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 21:59:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98988 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 05:59:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 05:59:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 05:59:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12767 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2008 05:59:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: okF8TiUVM1n0Yjof5uyG5VsHarw2DNd7zxCjFkEoiq0xUxUbZHziEO4s.5y0GzKdUoj15acOQUhSfddI__LwoJ.mPWqvkoF_cwv9fWFLH_3FE0THCyWZeiUSSx28yw0l9BYkeUWE9aPFyNG1d62Hpoaq86X9yjqXAk5rhPZ3u8.LVE8Lg_GoeZMG1RI- X-Received: from [64.223.35.231] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:59:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:59:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <418489.57287.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <961335.12692.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=kxvRxUrwUBaC_kXm-RdYjEXiUKNOkOTd3LA66n-PloI4LeuS3058 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I second that.=A0 The harder question is: which processor?=A0 Orban 9400 or= Omnia? --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: {AMSF} AM stereo transmitters To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 10:28 AM =20=20=20=20 Naah get a BE AM1A with the exciter board for AM stereo. It is = still available but not standard.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 11/24/08, John P. wrote: > You should check with Sotiris at APISYS on getting a C-Quam > transmitter for use in your home country! > 73's > John =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 22:18:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34462 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 06:18:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 06:18:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 06:18:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46023 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2008 06:18:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3IxvkZQVM1n8AMLfxGM3E_6UTwfG_nC.Y6nH.LNUrUNsxNOKIhcZQJw490.5zxbxh9Blh06PYofJhhhUw5_UrvdrJTQM91TfLPzD0x__SdttYcY3EqyqxvxoMtMZmRqF8smGNXUgZDWkpcNxnKM2RIc1vB4Z7pEHrf8azBKuDXU7V.NqQRy0c9wrRUNL X-Received: from [64.223.35.231] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:18:38 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:18:38 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <750985.45905.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=zFIXU8QIHPzmcYZnXyWzfHuSjE_uvi6pZ6bbxjx9q0loAzD2ePbj X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is mainly for Powell but I was curious if anyone knows the fate of KBY= P in Wheeler County, Tx..=A0 I think it was on 1580.=A0 I know it signed of= f 22 years ago but I was wondering if the station's building & equipment we= re still there or is the land now tract homes? =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Nov 27 23:45:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50290 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 07:45:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 07:45:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.191) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 07:45:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2008 07:45:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2008 07:45:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:45:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <961335.12692.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.236 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=dKW4h8DKS9H6Gl6nks7m51KnPxP3DNP6BHss10mb7Bf-7VX4Yg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I second that.=A0 The harder question is: which processor?=A0 Orban=20 9400 or Omnia? >=20 Nooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!! I can't think about Orban or Omnia!!! Hahahaha!!! Remember I live in Chile. I just can think about Inovonics Omega (prior STL), or CRL Amigo AM=20 (if it still exists), or some another cheap audio processor (not=20 necessarily a professional broadcast line device). Sorry!!! It's my reality. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 08:22:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52902 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 16:22:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 16:22:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 16:22:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49795 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2008 16:22:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rbIKzm8VM1lvytA.d7NqmGnrmoNWPC1g7oaXvCSO2EyyKg_4vdPX.dAZbgbq5AsKXYTv9f4l8pznMMdzmg0JU6bxvqT8DhspFbte4IVum.3516TZbmK5fVLnkenmWbXPIqq2jhCMhg5yJgD8AXxEhUbpTLglI3ZT_1zKzw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.29] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:22:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:22:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <750985.45905.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <780129.49382.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=y99wx3tBKfEEpPy72EEEMZaXDxTZnanbjA0lXzfJdXA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW It's all gone, the equipment gone, a ham in the northeast got the Collins 300G. The tower was too far gone to work on so it was dropped. And of course KBYP was 250 watts and can never be brought back, 1580 is right. Powell NNNN > This is mainly for Powell but I was curious if anyone knows > the fate of KBYP in Wheeler County, Tx.. I think it was on > 1580. I know it signed off 22 years ago but I was > wondering if the station's building & equipment were > still there or is the land now tract homes? > From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 08:29:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58312 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 16:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 16:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 16:29:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 53594 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2008 16:29:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7iyH5boVM1lGX2IXTl4yOuNLtbosuqp7AkbFWrU7GVuV4V8SCeXPjJGSd_2zNpkdXboxVaoFn2GA5n16eKDAK4qX_QanDNxPaeZu4iw7ZffunGO0_MrxRaZ3.icl7cn9qVn47gVy.IlcHTUNfEQWgxsPFEI.yN.UUZQ5Kw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.29] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:29:00 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:29:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001001c9511e$444d86d0$d50bfea9@jimoqzclu5cdxj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <949208.53355.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Accurian X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ws_C2GKYIMKObeLx-5WulDbZwOYjguLQfWjZZs2sblg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I have an original, and use it mainly for FM stations, and an analog one that has a VERY strong 1st adjacent. That's the only radio that will allow me to do that, and the MW of course is just fair. And I was told the longer you played it and rather loudly, the better it got. Maybe I should play the 1812 Overture with real cannons and see what happens.... :) Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 08:31:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50258 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 16:31:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 16:31:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 16:31:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55141 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2008 16:31:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uDSWCoUVM1mZhA2OCIC45Hj7c1BDZaoXnly97lt9rk.9iPBLfQMbMs.CQJv4giUjtwIt1BUfCmZILqKz9A0Ga8jhGw0wmgE0XXBsm_t6LhmtMzESAGaYpuhkSLjfaDoVLQ32wfR.durU8TqChaYx6zYWbA6mjNA0qyrAtkhwGjmeL2MWorwkCupAfw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.29] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:31:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:31:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <961335.12692.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <109093.54154.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QwY2T6h_gZRW27W198ecjbsUiPx7IbEqCumpxchrffs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I would take the 9400. Where IS my winning lottery ticket, now????? Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 11/28/08, JNR wrote: > Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 12:59 AM > I second that. The harder question is: which processor? > Orban 9400 or Omnia? From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 09:13:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8842 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 17:13:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 17:13:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 17:13:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29765 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2008 17:13:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KnnjlWgVM1kAzP.PceeIdeHWW3akqM59h9yvk70A4qBAfNK.ciLcg4N_zZhxZoPc4ZWtj6i0yRw505LT8YkTkedtJw3_a3.moND5X4m2GHWOzFVv3t7cn06TbsaQoYLzyfpcRHBq7zSndvaZirbrx6mK5dFO7zvin3YDFBUyKoQyZzCPs655E4nxFXE- X-Received: from [64.223.35.231] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:13:48 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:13:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <109093.54154.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <472191.29761.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Qkg2kP8N9554bEKMiu6AVHFhwaGQ0ZJ4b4KTe8xayPtwcGRZGKpv X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's what I was thinking! --- On Fri, 11/28/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM stereo transmitters To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 11:31 AM =20=20=20=20 I would take the 9400. Where IS my winning lottery ticket, now= ????? Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 11/28/08, JNR wrote: > Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 12:59 AM > I second that. The harder question is: which processor?=20 > Orban 9400 or Omnia? =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 28 09:16:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17609 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 17:16:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 17:16:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 17:16:02 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.50] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081128111543002495000010.0) with SMTP id <20081128111543002495000010> for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:15:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003701c9517d$4c7d1f00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1227609940.7261.3904.w114@yahoogroups.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:15:43 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=4_5JYSsbjp1hT2tgHDaFqQLh_fihtvtIIe-GNLm--FeR1auZQ2x0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The TU1500 you posted several days ago had to be the Japanese version since the US version of the same tuner doesn't have AM stereo. I've seen the insides of one and the places for the components are there but nothing is installed in that section of the board. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:45 AM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 28 09:56:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11059 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 17:56:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 17:56:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 17:56:47 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.50] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081128115613000426900013.0) with SMTP id <20081128115613000426900013> for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:56:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00df01c95182$f59bda40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <852670.61948.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:56:13 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=WaTLXBG3kZYuAIWhx4l6JQAib4pG_9HSB3YvWH6PY79UuMZteXEn X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The claim she didn't know Africa was a continent, not a country was FALSE. It originated with a guy named Eisenstadt and willingly repeated ad nauseum by a complicit media. They bought into it because they wanted to believe it. Only now that the election is over and talk radio was fingering them as liars did they admit their "error." As I said in an earlier post, disagree with her if you will, but don't hate her for something she never did. http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/palin_hoax/2008/11/13/150710.html Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com As far as Palin, we already covered the fact that she's a loser. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 28 10:14:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89302 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 18:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 18:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 18:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.50] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081128121443000461200010.0) with SMTP id <20081128121443000461200010> for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:14:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <016401c95185$8ad22d60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20081126.083400.10686.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:14:43 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=BtqLqkgi6llM4VXyDHdcqh8t51JVYgXqyrz9tD_43ccEnh7iT1Pk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If a lie is repeated often enough, eventually it becomes the truth. If young people are getting more leftist in their views this becomes even more scary as it fits their paradigm that much more and they won't even know to question it. "Is it true?" is a question they'll never think to ask, the doubters being relegated to a bunch of neanderthals at best and haters at worst. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:36 AM Deep down, the media agree with Evan Thomas that their bias can add five or ten points to a Democrat's vote total --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 28 10:23:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99963 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 18:23:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 18:23:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 18:23:33 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.50] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081128122310000401300016.0) with SMTP id <20081128122310000401300016> for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:23:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018401c95186$b8eee020$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <009d01c94e98$0f6a73c0$d503fea9@stodd> <4E192ADE-E106-40B0-A915-A473598E5B05@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:23:10 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=u00MALDZLxBBmM3YaiyMoNMxqLyIj_DVfuoosY2nIfBijDoZ23fp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Technically you're right but there are several flaws in your answer- 1. if workers vote to unionize, there's not much a company can do short of shutting down so they have to deal with it. 2. the company doesn't HAVE TO give into the union demands, but if they don't the company is essentially shut down as the workers go on strike. 3. union vs. nonunion- I've generally heard just the opposite. Union shops tend to have an "us vs. them" mentality. If you've had good union shop experiences, then mozeltov. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? On Nov 24, 2008, at 6:49 PM, wrote: > It's always the company's fault or at least the "greedy" CEOs. > Never the greedy unions for making too many expensive demands or > the greedy government for its exhorbitant taxes. Here is the problem I have with your premise. The owner of the company does not have to give those demands to the union. They have the last say in pay. I think that the incredibly over paid Board of Directors rape companies far harder than unions but often the unions see the BOD getting the gravy so they make demands as well. Both sides are ugly and the management is the most full powered financial rapists but the union can ask for more than they should get. I still blame management for this crap because such a tiny amount of working people are in a union. I have worked in union shops and non union shops. If you are a worker and have a chance to work in a union shop, work in the union shop. It beats the living snot out of the non union shop. Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 28 10:51:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55002 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 18:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 18:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 18:51:56 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.50] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081128125131000809800011.0) with SMTP id <20081128125131000809800011> for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:51:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018d01c9518a$ae88afe0$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:51:31 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1Sz9-SlYOzWfcESQYZEeVTJ48FzTFlTotGdkGkwKQtT71dWiL2Lj X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Redding, You were right and I was wrong about an Obama administration not being as bad as I had feared. I had to write this when no less than Michelle Malkin agreed with you, though when the left finds out what promise they may reneg on they'll likely choke! Scott Todd http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/26/game-boys-at-gitmo/ --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Nov 28 11:11:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28767 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2008 19:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2008 19:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2008 19:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.50] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081128131109001505200010.0) with SMTP id <20081128131109001505200010> for ; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:11:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <021301c9518d$6cf7fd80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <581253.79165.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:11:09 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=S7H-VGdYCWZGLM-dIs32_W0H9Jl15yckeAotX2O5YHtgJcP2R55k X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unlike today when someone can get a job just for being the right ethnic minority? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com we are no longer in the 1950's where rich white men are the only ones with any say in what goes on. They refuse to give up the old boys network. That day is over. For one I'm glad it is. I'm tired of seeing people get positions they don't deserve just because they know someone. It should be based on merit and whether you do a good job. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 20:41:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54515 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 04:41:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 04:41:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.222) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 04:41:15 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 04:41:15 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.247] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 04:41:15 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 04:41:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 648522.16017.bm@omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 47286 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 04:41:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 04:41:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YfXpDyUVM1nY3kVSCqQ1l_pVtb4WtNFVwbKe4hqQrAKXEb4SwgKR513etbgWaw5fnRVy5TBkV8otZpNUU1lcwT5PZ8.iiua9L29EnjxZeLyAEL3ITTS.dEuA8XNE5yvxL9dF9OsiwhhBFDqOlRqkswx0fq0MYe6.e8cQYmaUUIWddXUyRDDOAe1mZQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <016401c95185$8ad22d60$d503fea9@stodd> References: <20081126.083400.10686.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <016401c95185$8ad22d60$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <89B92A08-A8D8-4BA9-8781-0146F5ED6674@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:41:12 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=dbzQi0Qyi08a0EhDyXu0S6rt2gemEHyLLLQVLMWkyHXVASrDpA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:14 PM, wrote: > If a lie is repeated often enough, eventually it becomes the truth. FAUX Nooze is well known for doing this incessantly. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 20:44:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16503 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 04:44:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 04:44:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.49) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 04:44:11 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 04:44:11 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 04:44:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 04:44:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 175388.93489.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 88957 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 04:44:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 04:44:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VCIyPuoVM1m1EEnNKV7v7RtQT21dLL51KlgKmHnxvkv27T2XANUqpb.jeg46XI4T3o6dSZvsv_pOjj5BCZnZrIW8m7ggA_MyIk98I9jq607cVPfT1zJ__I3kYrzu8zmPZPmNlp_VXgdaT8Uxai6yIBJZrDJKJPFEOigWRcPwrsGvi6cSDwCLPoW.SA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <018401c95186$b8eee020$d503fea9@stodd> References: <009d01c94e98$0f6a73c0$d503fea9@stodd> <4E192ADE-E106-40B0-A915-A473598E5B05@yahoo.com> <018401c95186$b8eee020$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A5878AB-C573-4E6F-86AB-14BEC9AB5CA0@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:44:10 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Do you want the bailout now? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=-EDC71yxeD4Mp7Q-_q7SsWB0NLSsjtAc6pQzau5WAejF95usmw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:23 PM, wrote: > 1. if workers vote to unionize, there's not much a company can do > short of shutting down so they have to deal with it. Apparently you haven't worked in a union shop. Management often does hire replacement scabs. It is not illegal to do it. > 2. the company doesn't HAVE TO give into the union demands, but if > they don't the company is essentially shut down as the workers go > on strike. Apparently you haven't worked in a union shop. Management often does hire replacement scabs. It is not illegal to do it. > 3. union vs. nonunion- I've generally heard just the opposite. > Union shops tend to have an "us vs. them" mentality. If you've had > good union shop experiences, then mozeltov. That's mazeltov. I have had good experiences working in union shops. I am not working in a union shop now. It depends on the company and the union but for me, my experiences with union work has always been very favorable. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 20:46:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4304 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 04:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 04:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n60.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.40) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 04:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n60.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 04:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 04:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 04:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 04:46:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 385646.29740.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 70041 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 04:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 04:46:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TExDQw0VM1nj6BBf8eP1tDWYnx6HjQc.HGxS4qPxEf65wUBgmhLQ0BrqF5lK3KiJTToxUIxKH3dgv9gO0AHUDCyXKvg4x_sAqn7mhPOwAs39DGYERhmmgkEKm_f5a9zeK0F5es4krZt1iK9HovX_GNNaO3WWIRhsyCMzw0n6BRAnEYGQj54MtbB2Rw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <018d01c9518a$ae88afe0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <018d01c9518a$ae88afe0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:46:02 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=qBBnd_NmfERTKtD6mTueyKbkcsRkiLzt47cCkLNUZn9SrkS_tg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla He will govern slightly left of center. The man is pragmatic to a fault. It was evinced in the way he ran his nomination and presidential elections. Kevin On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:51 PM, wrote: > You were right and I was wrong about an Obama administration not > being as bad as I had feared. I had to write this when no less > than Michelle Malkin agreed with you, though when the left finds > out what promise they may reneg on they'll likely choke! From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Nov 28 21:06:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37020 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 05:06:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 05:06:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 05:06:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92086 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2008 05:06:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mVxT1egVM1nhKYTaU4OEGOAP95f1UKmSGD.5JGTj5G_QDp0o6QGJUmWM9804n0QJXSh2gMGtKqxqjHc_d64oj4qAGDMr8jG0v1JOHPB0_7a4sNMOtMv0hbJeQRDK7suhhb3L9AlMK6Z46J.bxJv9zFpeHMPKp8wwjX4ucWgDajcDOePCyXdc_aTBSIMcGx8uvXrPSFX2jbU2zlXKeFIj3.YJWrinqPUvDvchTv0dbV9x2aaP X-Received: from [64.223.35.231] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:06:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:06:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <780129.49382.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <689895.91908.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=f7BC6DCDDhYPASiGxvDGA1pffbLT68GplBgFOioMjU0xzN-Be22_ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm glad a ham got the XMTR.!=A0 Now why can't 1580 come back?=A0 I know it= 's a clear but am unsure what's clear on 1580 there, or is it too close to = XERF/1570?=A0 What about a class C frequency? Jay --- On Fri, 11/28/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 11:22 AM =20=20=20=20 It's all gone, the equipment gone, a ham in the northeast got t= he Collins 300G. The tower was too far gone to work on so it was dropped. A= nd of course KBYP was 250 watts and can never be brought back, 1580 is righ= t.=20=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 > This is mainly for Powell but I was curious if anyone knows > the fate of KBYP in Wheeler County, Tx.. I think it was on > 1580. I know it signed off 22 years ago but I was > wondering if the station's building & equipment were > still there or is the land now tract homes? > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sat Nov 29 03:27:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84094 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 11:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 11:27:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 11:27:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42702 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2008 11:27:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zJKv_NoVM1n6u.0PP2bYMGFjD000yx12q3vzjl1rZhH_Gx8rm3eL1jjzMI7ilM7PRy177z3Cu.Z.YMqn0sE_Kj52v3_mgtOW1pMUv7fQqhFUrY6GhWGP_.A7Srn5J1RrUx.z6TjOrkQHKrFm2194VHZjmTtDBeqzk_eK60XDMx5YY1M- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:27:51 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:27:51 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <89B92A08-A8D8-4BA9-8781-0146F5ED6674@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <734216.42661.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=hjFbH4Qb-SaJl__tCDk1RafkajIjBkBojl5NXX6UY_sI29mi_ZXG X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep that they are =A0 --- On Fri, 11/28/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 11:41 PM On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:14 PM, wrote: > If a lie is repeated often enough, eventually it becomes the truth. FAUX Nooze is well known for doing this incessantly. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 05:07:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80889 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 13:07:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 13:07:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.143) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 13:07:13 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n16.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 13:07:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 13:07:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 13:07:13 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:07:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003701c9517d$4c7d1f00$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.103.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.24.224 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=U_7VXMZxg0jGBRjVyGfFCm3AN9LMwb0Xd5bxTCW1EIw X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Scott=20 hmmm... so you're saying that if I will buy a TU-1500 I can fit the=20 components at their places and probably by doing a controller=20 modification to work for Japan mode (that most of those tuner have) I=20 will have an AMS tuner! Maybe I will try that very soon... if I get=20 one TU-1500AE from a UK seller!=20 Thanks for the info.=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > The TU1500 you posted several days ago had to be the Japanese=20 version since the US version of the same tuner doesn't have AM=20 stereo. I've seen the insides of one and the places for the=20 components are there but nothing is installed in that section of the=20 board. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:45 AM >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Nov 29 05:23:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75061 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 13:23:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 13:23:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 13:23:48 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KB300GB6JVMFVFD@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:23:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:23:47 -0500 To: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20081126.083400.10686.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <016401c95185$8ad22d60$d503fea9@stodd> <89B92A08-A8D8-4BA9-8781-0146F5ED6674@yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=-peZzxApLgWKSjJpIEA2qNCD22RkQK0B7juYI3Xte1LHVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have found that that Fox News is always right -- far right! Their mission is to preach to the faithful. Dick W ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:41 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:14 PM, wrote: > If a lie is repeated often enough, eventually it becomes the truth. FAUX Nooze is well known for doing this incessantly. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 05:32:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18321 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 13:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 13:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 13:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 13:32:21 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 13:32:21 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 13:32:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 291535.44911.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 88818 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 13:32:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 13:32:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3.4sM40VM1kB28oPDredn3FXt1Ps4IVlZ_VUEx_f725_QQwstRm5rE1d1EWutHZzxHcptJAG2lQtOn8M_orZJEzmNSOsluwcFs20dMzYAHUBTN55O7vUeqzB2mkSQhQSXhoct8B1.EEDd3cb2QqIVzuwMtmq2tKhrNfABjoNDGSrMN0uDC_jaDBJ3A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: References: <20081126.083400.10686.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <016401c95185$8ad22d60$d503fea9@stodd> <89B92A08-A8D8-4BA9-8781-0146F5ED6674@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <031611A0-637B-4FCA-B6B7-EBA74B987D7F@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:32:20 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=QiUtRgAjleXggX4AdBYjvqQ8Nsh3Kb-zwovjo0MsU0vUyL7EDg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Their motto should be "Fear and UNbalanced. We report and decide. FAUX Nooze." Kevin On Nov 29, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Dick W wrote: > I have found that that Fox News is always right -- far right! > Their mission is to preach to the faithful. > Dick W > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevin redding > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY > > > > On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:14 PM, wrote: > >> If a lie is repeated often enough, eventually it becomes the truth. > > FAUX Nooze is well known for doing this incessantly. > > Kevin > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 07:07:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67077 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 15:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 15:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 15:07:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95885 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2008 15:07:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5344o.gVM1mGmk5CyF0FgcBAuWbC0cqp_ej1XcqpC3pdOo4_VOQqEpTjUQD9ztZf.LXDxM7WaLCht5ra5NdMNVjNH_PMwP.L1LZVt2yeYt2qRCovnuX98oTgOoxbXPJUclxJ7DbcS_bjbfL..LyYOkgQpbDanYBYilZTNq3BB0oG4ePuLfnWnzv44g-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.28] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:07:15 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:07:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <689895.91908.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <889292.95227.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=zYSA4WjGhW99krK7b1nRSv0EQ8Nku6XECAlXmCTr3dM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW New applications have to have 250 watts night minimum. And the allocation was deleted years ago. It would have to start as new. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 11/29/08, JNR wrote: > I'm glad a ham got the XMTR.! Now why can't 1580 > come back? I know it's a clear but am unsure > what's clear on 1580 there, or is it too close to > XERF/1570? What about a class C frequency? > > Jay From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Nov 29 07:19:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75583 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 15:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 15:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.209) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 15:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W16 ([64.4.19.116]) by bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:19:53 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:19:53 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <018d01c9518a$ae88afe0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2008 15:19:53.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDC62560:01C95235] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=H-UFFI1Po3J1eCWClhOdrxQYfMZVgVXLpgfx_xBTAG_LcPiUKzWm X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. Obama is a typical Chicago politician. Promise the folks any and all, and then do what you want once elected. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: big_h00pla@yahoo.comDate: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:46:02 -0600Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing He will govern slightly left of center. The man is pragmatic to a fault. It was evinced in the way he ran his nomination and presidential elections.KevinOn Nov 28, 2008, at 12:51 PM, wrote:> You were right and I was wrong about an Obama administration not > being as bad as I had feared. I had to write this when no less > than Michelle Malkin agreed with you, though when the left finds > out what promise they may reneg on they'll likely choke! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 07:55:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83452 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 15:55:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 15:55:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.86.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 15:55:06 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 15:55:06 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.242] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 15:55:06 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 15:55:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 304688.97152.bm@omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 99797 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 15:55:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 15:55:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pivNJEoVM1lgwmftgBszxpO2rrn_da5Q70SaTKVmbuoWjM8LdjpNYWit6G3nZr4lpK6h7hO3k7ypZtv1b3Pm1rp_46RDtgwWu1xATU.kuhybIIOJm2dg44dVDIu.l2aTTTy_CdaGjP3ZNeKbCAU829a5wS_8U479XWV3aw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <018d01c9518a$ae88afe0$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <02B9B249-0B02-4D13-A0DE-F6F728FF6D66@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:55:04 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.86.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=zM5fFQOraCmyBa8jjq5ox_zF-mgwG5IMTjX7bghbg3vB40cZyw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 29, 2008, at 9:19 AM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > Mr. Obama is a typical Chicago politician. Promise the folks any > and all, and then do what you want once elected. And this is different than a politician from Texas, California, Wyoming, Minnesota, Massachusetts or Florida? Chicago or elsewhere, all politicians are made from a cookie cutter. Even after saying all this, Obama is going to be better for working people than any Republican. We have been crushed, those of us who worked by the Republicans and scummy Bush. Now the rich are going to be crushed so we will have a new economic system using Ameros. Its gonna happen. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 09:23:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51944 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 17:23:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 17:23:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 17:23:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88225 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2008 17:23:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pSWDg8AVM1l1i8oKPu_MPppUokp.BpMLzvH_bx1kY.IAYux15tCZzA3O6DC9w8DbrLh9ShgGNmlrhmJtrMiLrPOgeW3mGx8QOLsioKSpDTXALfG_l0Uq7VNPEJgJrBuqNqNTsIDKbj6fjxiQavmC0EAq29jOlYPRABYU6CcyonJkCU.lE_7SdHOp2PTo X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:23:39 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:23:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <031611A0-637B-4FCA-B6B7-EBA74B987D7F@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <809315.88046.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=raStIz-pMksYURMKhYK1ZSuUWsark12Kgnpan8TIeFu8XQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 AAAAAmen! G --- On Sat, 11/29/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 8:32 AM > Their motto should be "Fear and UNbalanced. We report > and decide. > FAUX Nooze." > > Kevin > > On Nov 29, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Dick W wrote: > > > I have found that that Fox News is always right -- far > right! > > Their mission is to preach to the faithful. > > Dick W > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: kevin redding > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:41 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being > NIMBY > > > > > > > > On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:14 PM, > wrote: > > > >> If a lie is repeated often enough, eventually it > becomes the truth. > > > > FAUX Nooze is well known for doing this incessantly. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Nov 29 12:15:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94478 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 20:15:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 20:15:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.238) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 20:15:55 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W16 ([64.4.19.116]) by bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:15:55 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:15:55 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02B9B249-0B02-4D13-A0DE-F6F728FF6D66@yahoo.com> References: <018d01c9518a$ae88afe0$d503fea9@stodd> <02B9B249-0B02-4D13-A0DE-F6F728FF6D66@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2008 20:15:55.0065 (UTC) FILETIME=[48A0FA90:01C9525F] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=2XvRRFQGwCCO2njNQMxCMfCNa9OGH2DjFs_MpOWspAs7vUtzpNxK X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No different. And, by the way, just in case you have forgotten, the rich are the ones whom provide jobs for the likes of you and me. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: big_h00pla@yahoo.comDate: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:55:04 -0600Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing On Nov 29, 2008, at 9:19 AM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote:> Mr. Obama is a typical Chicago politician. Promise the folks any > and all, and then do what you want once elected.And this is different than a politician from Texas, California, Wyoming, Minnesota, Massachusetts or Florida?Chicago or elsewhere, all politicians are made from a cookie cutter.Even after saying all this, Obama is going to be better for working people than any Republican. We have been crushed, those of us who worked by the Republicans and scummy Bush. Now the rich are going to be crushed so we will have a new economic system using Ameros. Its gonna happen.Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sat Nov 29 14:31:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7856 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 22:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 22:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 22:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail06.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.146]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVDSXTAZSGKA2 for (sender ); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:31:13 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDyvFpZCSAQcoDhg9oRfhC6I= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail06.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N27U3V33; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:30:56 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail06.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:30:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:30:28 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081129.143028.13142.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 20:10:49094426 X-MAIL-INFO:18d8dd88dd8861dc6171b561c9b5694cb80575287c28f1189975adf5c531d1a8a128dcd84838ec2838c9711871d8b538c1f1e8599c987189e8d5cc4c0c390c39f941f99981f9b88131e80d19b1657d65358d6cb16d217ce50100ad65414c2c3c95653cb8998d994c813c5835b9855c9159e8594d9c694d9c15e89c2585b9a905dc8cc99dd1389855a84861e598c938c17989618968c56cbcb961c9c5ac254d25890dc56ce9b1ece19c6c250d086595bd25e5656dfc29001dbd1dad794c0c3da11c0821a599854c854158a53d317ccdb5812831753d3d99d195d17575196175adddd85cf838c961c9e9a988c8 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.146|webmail06.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=lM3fPorpBWSovavkoFajnUbC0WnNCrsuB7OfLF5OzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn We hear these claims over and over but never anything to back up the charge= s. I have a friend who says the very same things but freely admits he has n= ever watched the channel. Strange. Don -- kevin redding wrote: Their motto should be "Fear and UNbalanced. We report and decide.=20=20 FAUX Nooze." Kevin On Nov 29, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Dick W wrote: > I have found that that Fox News is always right -- far right!=20=20=20 > Their mission is to preach to the faithful. > Dick W > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevin redding > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY > > > > On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:14 PM, wrote: > >> If a lie is repeated often enough, eventually it becomes the truth. > > FAUX Nooze is well known for doing this incessantly. > > Kevin > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 15:51:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52305 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 23:51:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 23:51:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 23:51:32 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 23:51:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 23:51:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 23:51:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 128744.59627.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20467 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 23:51:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 23:51:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EvOrBXoVM1lsW4MPmqdxs88KnabpIyoI2nzdGnrb3glUWViVOcXq24tpvClJ6zDUQ18XAlC0mhUTT5bw4iZMJzBCk5vfBPut4Lhovejq6mqU8Qzreh5gmRlaokdktK4yfOEoH_QHPYAxr0VVS181ZG3.ZkLJYXQCQjGjzg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <018d01c9518a$ae88afe0$d503fea9@stodd> <02B9B249-0B02-4D13-A0DE-F6F728FF6D66@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8B012FEC-415B-4BAE-8676-E1C085920744@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:51:30 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=LRaa1nR7w0lf1UURFFRzqgH2P2p2z7_hZHX2b6dK9HDwiCXoog X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 29, 2008, at 2:15 PM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > No different. And, by the way, just in case you have forgotten, > the rich are the ones whom provide jobs for the likes of you and me. In case you forget, the rich ones need us for our labor so they can make money. Even the bible says the laborer is worthy of his hire. The rich need to pay workers well or we get an economic situation like the one we had. Even Henry Ford understood that. I believe that its supposed to be a symbiotic relationship. We don't have that today. The rich and the Republicans for the first 6 years of the ruinous Bush administration forgot this. Now the nation is on the verge of collapse into depression. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 15:52:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68690 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 23:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2008 23:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 23:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 23:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.253] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 23:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2008 23:52:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 11343.30409.bm@omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 79565 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 23:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2008 23:52:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WTIvaycVM1kiAjL2cDD_C8ZEJC506DSKr1QEjnPUimWsJ3q.Spg6SLyIp1pAitH3W8VN7Uj6Mgr4CipVUKlKE.HCFG9iz0YMJ0wzR3v9tUGwVvgDfulLBzf0V3ete7Bjnid9XZI.AZQqW4Kmg_Rhy9kunjO2GHxJksksJA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081129.143028.13142.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> References: <20081129.143028.13142.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <691F32B6-5AF0-4EC2-B4C5-09AA8206BD35@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:52:50 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=0DG1oY3s3DUcRBKpwyHsVd8oTi9DZnUW4H1KUXVGStHAakDDYA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla I watch the channel but only to hear real lies and stupidity. Kevin On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:30 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > We hear these claims over and over but never anything to back up > the charges. I have a friend who says the very same things but > freely admits he has never watched the channel. Strange. From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Nov 29 19:42:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22610 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 03:42:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 03:42:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173003pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 03:42:41 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KB400MTHNMWDPI6@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:42:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:42:31 -0500 To: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20081129.143028.13142.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=VpXZ_sstwxLbFZSxXRwXokuZSjFYpFZgE2SpaFIt1o8Z7w X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The fact that Don's friend has that opinion but has never watched the channel is evidence how widespread its reputation for being aggressively conservative is spreading. Dick W ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze We hear these claims over and over but never anything to back up the charges. I have a friend who says the very same things but freely admits he has never watched the channel. Strange. Don -- kevin redding wrote: Their motto should be "Fear and UNbalanced. We report and decide. FAUX Nooze." Kevin On Nov 29, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Dick W wrote: > I have found that that Fox News is always right -- far right! > Their mission is to preach to the faithful. > Dick W > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevin redding > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY > > > > On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:14 PM, wrote: > >> If a lie is repeated often enough, eventually it becomes the truth. > > FAUX Nooze is well known for doing this incessantly. > > Kevin > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Nov 29 19:53:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20020 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 03:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 03:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 03:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 03:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 03:53:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:53:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.2.32.101 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Fox News X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=OSb7XgHDwYXI63uh2cNHWeUKYrUJx2nVMwfOjzLeEquyiLU X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane From: J Gualda Q Media [mailto:gualdaj@bellsouth.net]=20 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 6:44 PM To: 'amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze kevin redding wrote: Their motto should be "Fear and UNbalanced. We report and decide.=20 FAUX Nooze." Kevin We hear these claims over and over but never anything to back up the=20 charges. I have a friend who says the very same things but freely=20 admits he has never watched the channel. Strange. Don Take a gander at this. Great article with sources=85.Please read and=20 decide for yourself=85=85=85=85 Juan The Most Biased Name in News Fox News Channel's extraordinary right-wing tilt By Seth Ackerman "I challenge anybody to show me an example of bias in Fox News=20 Channel."--Rupert Murdoch (Salon, 3/1/01) Years ago, Republican party chair Rich Bond explained that=20 conservatives' frequent denunciations of "liberal bias" in the media=20 were part of "a strategy" (Washington Post, 8/20/92). Comparing=20 journalists to referees in a sports match, Bond explained: "If you=20 watch any great coach, what they try to do is 'work the refs.' Maybe=20 the ref will cut you a little slack next time."=20 But when Fox News Channel, Rupert Murdoch's 24-hour cable network,=20 debuted in 1996, a curious thing happened: Instead of denouncing it,=20 conservative politicians and activists lavished praise on the=20 network. "If it hadn't been for Fox, I don't know what I'd have done=20 for the news," Trent Lott gushed after the Florida election recount=20 (Washington Post, 2/5/01). George W. Bush extolled Fox News Channel=20 anchor Tony Snow--a former speechwriter for Bush's father--and=20 his "impressive transition to journalism" in a specially taped April=20 2001 tribute to Snow's Sunday-morning show on its five-year=20 anniversary (Washington Post, 5/7/01). The right-wing Heritage=20 Foundation had to warn its staffers not to watch so much Fox News on=20 their computers, because it was causing the think tank's system to=20 crash. When it comes to Fox News Channel, conservatives don't feel the need=20 to "work the ref." The ref is already on their side. Since its 1996=20 launch, Fox has become a central hub of the conservative movement's=20 well-oiled media machine. Together with the GOP organization and its=20 satellite think tanks and advocacy groups, this network of fiercely=20 partisan outlets--such as the Washington Times, the Wall Street=20 Journal editorial page and conservative talk-radio shows like Rush=20 Limbaugh's--forms a highly effective right-wing echo chamber where=20 GOP-friendly news stories can be promoted, repeated and amplified.=20 Fox knows how to play this game better than anyone. Yet, at the same time, the network bristles at the slightest=20 suggestion of a conservative tilt. In fact, wrapping itself in=20 slogans like "Fair and balanced" and "We report, you decide," Fox=20 argues precisely the opposite: Far from being a biased network, Fox=20 argues, it is the only unbiased network. So far, Fox's strategy of=20 aggressive denial has worked surprisingly well; faced with its=20 unblinking refusal to admit any conservative tilt at all, some=20 commentators have simply acquiesced to the network's own self- assessment. FAIR has decided to take a closer look. "Coming next, drug addicted pregnant women no longer have anything to=20 fear from the authorities thanks to the Supreme Court. Both sides on=20 this in a moment."--Bill O'Reilly (O'Reilly Factor, 3/23/01) Fox's founder and president, Roger Ailes, was for decades one of the=20 savviest and most pugnacious Republican political operatives in=20 Washington, a veteran of the Nixon and Reagan campaigns. Ailes is=20 most famous for his role in crafting the elder Bush's media strategy=20 in the bruising 1988 presidential race. With Ailes' help, Bush turned=20 a double-digit deficit in the polls into a resounding win by=20 targeting the GOP's base of white male voters in the South and West,=20 using red-meat themes like Michael Dukakis' "card-carrying"=20 membership in the ACLU, his laissez-faire attitude toward flag- burning, his alleged indifference to the pledge of allegiance--and,=20 of course, paroled felon Willie Horton.=20 Described by fellow Bush aide Lee Atwater as having "two speeds-- attack and destroy," Ailes once jocularly told a Time reporter=20 (8/22/88): "The only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with=20 a knife in his hand or without it." Later, as a producer for Rush=20 Limbaugh's short-lived TV show, he was fond of calling Bill Clinton=20 the "hippie president" and lashing out at "liberal bigots"=20 (Washington Times, 5/11/93). It is these two sensibilities above all-- right-wing talk radio and below-the-belt political campaigning--that=20 Ailes brought with him to Fox, and his stamp is evident in all=20 aspects of the network's programming.=20 Fox daytime anchor David Asman is formerly of the right-wing Wall=20 Street Journal editorial page and the conservative Manhattan=20 Institute. The host of Fox News Sunday is Tony Snow, a conservative=20 columnist and former chief speechwriter for the first Bush=20 administration. Eric Breindel, previously the editorial-page editor=20 of the right-wing New York Post, was senior vice president of Fox's=20 parent company, News Corporation, until his death in 1998; Fox News=20 Channel's senior vice president is John Moody, a long-time journalist=20 known for his staunch conservative views.=20 Fox's managing editor is Brit Hume, a veteran TV journalist and=20 contributor to the conservative American Spectator and Weekly=20 Standard magazines. Its top-rated talkshow is hosted by Bill=20 O'Reilly, a columnist for the conservative WorldNetDaily.com and a=20 registered Republican (that is, until a week before the Washington=20 Post published an article revealing his party registration--12/13/00). The abundance of conservatives and Republicans at Fox News Channel=20 does not seem to be a coincidence. In 1996, Andrew Kirtzman, a=20 respected New York City cable news reporter, was interviewed for a=20 job with Fox and says that management wanted to know what his=20 political affiliation was. "They were afraid I was a Democrat," he=20 told the Village Voice (10/15/96). When Kirtzman refused to tell Fox=20 his party ID, "all employment discussion ended," according to the=20 Voice.=20 Catherine Crier, who was perceived as one of Fox's most prestigious=20 and credible early hires, was an elected Republican judge before=20 starting a career in journalism. (Crier has since moved on to Court=20 TV.) Pundit Mara Liasson--who is touted as an on-air "liberal" by Fox=20 executives--sits on the board of the conservative human-rights group=20 Freedom House; New York magazine (11/17/97) cited a Fox insider as=20 saying that Liasson assured president Roger Ailes before being hired=20 that she was a Republican. "Who would be the most likely to cheat at cards-- Bill Clinton or Al=20 Gore?"--Fox News Channel/Opinion Dynamics poll (5/00) The most obvious sign of Fox's slant is its heavily right-leaning=20 punditry. Each episode of Special Report with Brit Hume, for example,=20 features a three-person panel of pundits who chat about the day's=20 political news at the end of the show. The most frequent panelist is=20 Fred Barnes, the evangelical Christian supply-sider who edits the=20 Murdoch-owned Weekly Standard. He sits proudly on the rightward flank=20 of the Republican party (and often scolds it for slouching=20 leftwards).=20 The next most frequent guest is Mort Kondrake, who sits in the middle=20 of the panel. Politically, Kondrake falls at the very rightward edge=20 of the Democratic party-- if not beyond it. As he famously explained=20 in a 1988 New Republic essay (8/29/88), he is a Democrat who=20 is "disgusted with the Democratic Party" and whose main reason for=20 not defecting to the Republicans is that they "have failed to be true=20 to themselves as conservatives." (He was referring to Reagan's=20 deficit spending.)=20 Rounding out the panel is its third-most-frequent pundit, Mara=20 Liasson, who sits on the opposite side of the table from the=20 conservative Barnes, implicitly identifying her as a liberal. But her=20 liberalism consists of little more than being a woman who works for=20 National Public Radio; she has proposed that "one of the roots of the=20 problem with education today is feminism" (Talk of the Nation,=20 5/3/01); she declares that "Jesse Jackson gets away with a lot of=20 things that other people don't" (Special Report, 6/21/00); she calls=20 George W. Bush's reversal on carbon dioxide emissions "a small thing"=20 (3/14/01), campaign finance reform "an issue that . . . only 200=20 people in America care about" (3/19/01) and slavery=20 reparations "pretty much of a non-issue" (3/19/01). Less frequent Special Report panelists include conservative=20 Washington Times reporter Bill Sammon, centrist Fortune writer Jeff=20 Birnbaum and NPR host Juan Williams. Williams, the only guest who=20 could plausibly claim to be a liberal, was so outraged over attacks=20 on his friend Clarence Thomas that he declared that "liberals have=20 become monsters" (Washington Post, 10/10/91), denouncing the "so- called champions of fairness: liberal politicians, unions, civil=20 rights groups and women's organizations." Indeed, Fox's crew=20 of "liberal" pundits seems almost calculated to be either ineffective=20 left-of-center advocates or conciliatory moderates. Ironically,=20 perhaps the only Fox commentator who consistently presents a strong=20 progressive perspective--that is, critical of corporate power and=20 militarism, and sympathetic to progressive social movements--is FAIR=20 founder Jeff Cohen, a weekly panelist on the weekend media show Fox=20 News Watch. Meanwhile, Barnes and Kondracke --the conservative Republican and=20 conservative Democrat--make up the entire political spectrum on Fox's=20 weekend political show, The Beltway Boys, where they are generally in=20 agreement as they discuss the week's news. Even Fox's "left-right" debate show, Hannity & Colmes--whose=20 Crossfire-style format virtually imposes numerical equality between=20 conservatives and "liberals"--can't shake the impression of=20 resembling a Harlem Globetrotters game in which everyone knows which=20 side is supposed to win.=20 On the right, co-host Sean Hannity is an effective and telegenic=20 ideologue, a prot=E9g=E9 of Newt Gingrich and a rising star of=20 conservative talk radio who is perhaps more plugged into the GOP=20 leadership than any media figure besides Rush Limbaugh (Hannity=20 reportedly received "thunderous applause" when he spoke at a recent=20 closed-door House Republican Conference meeting that is usually=20 closed to the media--U.S. News & World Report, 5/7/01.) On the left is Alan Colmes, a rather less telegenic former stand-up=20 comic and radio host whose views are slightly left-of-center but who,=20 as a personality, is completely off the radar screen of liberal=20 politics. "I'm quite moderate," he told a reporter when asked to=20 describe his politics (USA Today, 2/1/95). Hannity, a self- described "arch-conservative" (Electronic Media, 8/26/96), joined Fox=20 when the network was started, and personally nominated Colmes to be=20 his on-screen debating opponent (New York Times, 3/1/98). Before the=20 selection was made, the show's working title was Hannity & Liberal to=20 Be Determined--giving some idea of the relative weight each host=20 carries, both on-screen and within the network. Fox sometimes sends a=20 camera down to Hannity's radio studio during the network's daytime=20 news programming, from which he holds forth on the news of the day.=20 Needless to say, Colmes does not receive similar treatment. "I think what's going on is the Democratic lawyers have flooded=20 Florida. They are afraid of George W. Bush becoming president and=20 instituting tort reform and their gravy train will be over. This is=20 the trial association's full court press to make sure Bush does not=20 win." --Fox News Channel anchor John Gibson (12/9/00) Fox has had trouble at times hiding the partisanship of its main news=20 personalities. In 1996, while already a Fox anchor, Tony Snow=20 endorsed Bob Dole for president in the Republican National Committee=20 magazine Rising Tide (New York, 11/17/97). A former speech-writer for=20 the elder Bush, Snow often guest-hosts the Rush Limbaugh show and=20 wrote an unabashedly conservative weekly newspaper column until Fox=20 management recently pressured him to drop it to avoid the appearance=20 of bias (Washington Post, 5/29/01).=20 At the 2000 Republican convention in Philadelphia, Snow--ostensibly=20 present as a journalist covering a news event--jumped onstage to give=20 a speech to the Republican Youth Caucus after organizers asked him to=20 fill in for a speaker who couldn't make it. (He was later reprimanded=20 by his bosses.) Trent Lott, whose speech directly followed Snow's,=20 began with a cheer of "How about Tony Snow in 2008?" (New York Daily=20 News 8/2/00; Federal News Service, 8/1/00). Just three days earlier, near the GOP convention, Bill O'Reilly gave=20 the keynote speech at David Horowitz's conservative "Restoration=20 Weekend" event, where he was introduced by Republican congressmember=20 Jack Quinn. Fox's Sean Hannity also spoke at the gathering, described=20 by the Washington Times (6/30/00) as the "premiere political event=20 for conservative thinkers." O'Reilly has had Horowitz on his show six=20 times--to talk about everything from National Public Radio's "left"=20 bias (12/20/00) to Hillary Clinton's "sense of entitlement" (6/22/00)=20 to Horowitz's book on race relations, >Hating Whitey (10/4/99). "There's a certain sameness to the news on the Big Three [networks]=20 and CNN. . . . America is bad, corporations are bad, animal species=20 should be protected, and every cop is a racist killer. That's=20 where 'fair and balanced' [Fox's slogan] comes in. We don't think all=20 corporations are bad, every forest should be saved, every government=20 spending program is good. We're going to be more inquisitive."--John=20 Moody, Fox News Channel's senior vice-president for news and=20 editorial (Brill's Content, 10/99) Some mainstream journalists have suggested that Fox's "straight news"=20 is more or less balanced, however slanted its commentary might be. "A=20 close monitoring of the channel over several weeks indicates that the=20 news segments tend to be straightforward, with little hint of=20 political subtext except for stories the news editors feel=20 the 'mainstream' press has either downplayed or ignored," wrote=20 Columbia Journalism Review's Neil Hickey (3-4/98). The fact that=20 Fox's "chat consistently tilts to the conservative side," wrote the=20 Washington Post's Howard Kurtz (2/5/01), "may cast an unwarranted=20 cloud on the news reporting, which tends to be straightforward." When a New York Times profile of Fox News ran with a headline calling=20 it a "conservative cable channel" (9/18/00), the paper quickly=20 corrected their "error" the following day, explaining that=20 in "attributing a general political viewpoint to the network, the=20 headline exceeded the facts in the article." Putting aside the question of what genuine "balance" means, there are=20 undoubtedly a few reporters in Fox's Washington bureau--such as White=20 House correspondent Jim Angle--whose stories are more or less=20 indistinguishable from those of their counterparts at the mainstream=20 networks.=20 But an attentive viewer will notice that there are entire blocks of=20 the network's programming schedule that are set aside for=20 conservative stories. Fox's website offers a regular feature=20 on "political correctness" entitled "Tongue-Tied: A Report From the=20 Front Lines of the Culture Wars," whose logo is a scowling "PC=20 Patrol" officer peering testily through a magnifying glass. It=20 invites readers to write in and "keep us up on examples of PC excess=20 you come across." Recently the network debuted a weekly half-hour series--Only on Fox-- devoted explicitly to right-wing stories. The concept of the show was=20 explained by host Trace Gallagher in the premier episode (5/26/01):=20 Five years ago, Fox News Channel was launched on the idea that=20 something was wrong with news media--that somehow, somewhere bias=20 found its way into reporting. . . . And it's not just the way you=20 tell a story that can get in the way of the truth. It's the stories=20 you choose to tell. . . . Fox News Channel is committed to being fair=20 and balanced in the coverage of the stories everybody is reporting-- and to reporting stories you won't hear anywhere else. Stories you=20 will see only on Fox. Gallagher then introduced a series of stories about one conservative=20 cause after another: from white firefighters suing Boston's fire=20 department for discrimination, to sawmill workers endangered by=20 Clinton-Gore environmental regulations (without comment from a single=20 supporter of the rules), to property owners who feel threatened by an=20 environmental agreement "signed by President Clinton in 1992." (The=20 agreement was actually signed by George Bush the elder, who was=20 president in 1992--though that didn't stop Fox from using news=20 footage of a smiling Bill Clinton proudly signing an official=20 document that was supposed to be, but wasn't, the environmental pact=20 in question.)=20 Fox's news specials are equally slanted: Dangerous Places (3/25/01),=20 a special about foreign policy hosted by Newt Gingrich; Heroes, an=20 irregular series hosted by former Republican congressmember John=20 Kasich; and The Real Reagan (11/25/99), a panel discussion on Ronald=20 Reagan, hosted by Tony Snow, in which all six guests were Reagan=20 friends and political aides. Vanishing Freedoms 2: Who Owns America=20 (5/19/01) wandered off into militia-style paranoia, suggesting that=20 the U.N. was "taking over" private property. There is a formula to Fox's news agenda. "A lot of the people we have=20 hired," Fox executive John Moody explained (Inside Media, 12/11/96)=20 when the network was launched, "have come without the preconceptions=20 of must-do news. There are stories we will sometimes forego in order=20 to do stories we think are more significant. The biggest strength=20 that we have is that Roger Ailes has allowed me to do that; to forego=20 stores that would be 'duty' stories in order to focus on other=20 things."=20 These "other" stories that Moody has in mind are what make up much of=20 Fox's programming: An embarrassing story about Jesse Jackson's sex=20 life. The latest political-correctness outrage on campus. A one-day=20 mini-scandal about a Democratic senator. Much like talk radio, Fox=20 picks up these tidbits from right-wing outlets like the Washington=20 Times or the Drudge Report and runs with them. To see how the formula works, consider the recent saga of right-wing=20 activist David Horowitz and his "censored" anti-slavery reparations=20 ad. When some college newspapers refused to carry the ad, and some=20 campuses saw protests against it, the case instantly became a cause=20 celebre on the right. It was the perfect story for Fox: The liberal=20 academic establishment trampling on the free speech of a conservative=20 who merely asked that his views be heard. Within less than a month,=20 Horowitz was on nearly every major Fox show to discuss the issue.=20 (See sidebar.) Former CBS producer Don Dahler resigned from Fox after executive John=20 Moody ordered him to change a story to play down statistics showing a=20 lack of social progress among blacks. (Moody says the change was=20 journalistically justified--New York, 11/17/97.) According to the=20 Columbia Journalism Review (3-4/98), "several" former Fox=20 employees "complained of 'management sticking their fingers' in the=20 writing and editing of stories to cook the facts to make a story more=20 palatable to right-of-center tastes." Said one: "I've worked at a lot=20 of news organizations and never found that kind of manipulation."=20 Jed Duvall, a former veteran ABC reporter who left Fox after a year,=20 told New York (11/17/97): "I'll never forget the morning that one=20 producer came up to me, and, rubbing her hands like Uriah Heep,=20 said, 'Let's have something on Whitewater today.' That sort of thing=20 doesn't happen at a professional news organization." Indeed, Fox's=20 signature political news show, Special Report with Brit Hume, was=20 originally created as a daily one-hour update devoted to the 1998=20 Clinton sex scandal.=20 "In the D.C. bureau [at ABC], we always had to worry what the lead=20 story would be in the New York Times, and God forbid if we didn't=20 have that story. Now we don't care if we have that story." Stories=20 favored by the journalistic establishment, Kim Hume says, are "all=20 mushy, like AIDS, or all silly, like Head Start. They want to give=20 publicity to people they think are doing good." --New York magazine (11/17/97) quoting Kim Hume, Fox News Channel Washington bureau chief One of the most partisan features on Fox is a daily segment on=20 Special Report called "The Political Grapevine." Billed as "the most=20 scintillating two minutes in television," the Grapevine is a kind of=20 right-wing hot-sheet. It features Brit Hume at the anchor's desk=20 reading off a series of gossipy items culled from other, often right- wing, news outlets.=20 The key to the Grapevine is its story selection, and there is nothing=20 subtle about it. Almost every item carries an unmistakable partisan=20 message: Democrats, environmentalists and Hollywood liberals are the=20 perennial villains (or the butts of the joke), while Republicans are=20 shown either as targets of unfair attacks or heroes who can do no=20 wrong. Political correctness run amok, the "liberal bias" of the=20 mainstream media and the chicanery of civil rights groups all figure=20 prominently. When Rep. Patrick Kennedy tussled with airport security (3/21/01),=20 Democrat Pete Stark used intemperate language (4/18/01) and=20 California Gov. Gray Davis uttered a string of curse words (4/18/01),=20 it made it onto the Grapevine. When the Sacramento Bee ran a series=20 on the shortcomings of the big environmental groups, its findings=20 earned a mention on the Grapevine (4/21/01). When it emerged that Al=20 Gore booster Ben Affleck didn't bother to vote in last year's=20 election, you heard about it on the Grapevine (4/25/01).=20 Republicans are treated differently. "Since [New York's] Rudolph=20 Giuliani became the mayor," one item cheered (4/24/01), "the streets=20 are cleaner and safer, and tourism reigns supreme in Times Square."=20 When George W. Bush ordered men to wear a coat and tie to enter the=20 Oval Office, Grapevine (5/14/01) noted that "his father had a similar=20 reverence for the office," while "President Clinton used to come into=20 the Oval Office in running shorts . . . and sometimes he did not=20 remain fully clothed while he was there." The success of the Grapevine has apparently inspired a spin-off on=20 Fox's Sunday morning show. Fox News Sunday anchor Tony Snow recently=20 inaugurated "Below the Fold," a weekly roundup of "unheralded=20 political stories" that is basically identical to Grapevine,=20 including the conservative spin. When one Below the Fold item=20 (4/15/01) mentioned that Barbra Streisand was reportedly thinking of=20 starting up "a cable TV network devoted exclusively to Democratic=20 viewpoints," Snow couldn't resist adding that the singer came up with=20 the idea "apparently believing such a thing doesn't exist already."=20 Fox News Channel is "not a conservative network!" roars Fox News=20 Channel chairman Ailes. "I absolutely, totally deny it. . . . The=20 fact is that Rupert [Murdoch] and I and, by the way, the vast=20 majority of the American people, believe that most of the news tilts=20 to the left," he says. Fox's mission is "to provide a little more=20 balance to the news" and "to go cover some stories that the=20 mainstream media won't cover."--Brill's Content (10/99) quoting Roger=20 Ailes To hear the network's bigwigs tell it, it's not Fox that's being=20 biased when it puts conservative fare on heavy rotation. It's=20 the "liberal media" that are biased when they fail to do so. Fox's=20 entire editorial philosophy revolves around the idea that the=20 mainstream media have a liberal bias that Fox is obligated to=20 rectify.=20 In interviews, Ailes and other Fox executives often expound this=20 philosophy, sometimes with bizarre results. Ailes once told the New=20 York Times (10/7/96) that he and Fox executive John Moody had both=20 noticed a pattern in the weekly newsmagazines: They often cover=20 religion, "but it's always a story that beats up on Jesus." "They=20 call him a cult figure of his time, some kind of crazy fool," Ailes=20 continued. "And it's as if they go out and try to find evidence to=20 trash him." Moody added that two recent Time and Newsweek articles on=20 Jesus "really bordered on the sacrilegious."=20 But the core of Fox's critique is the notion that the mainstream=20 media just don't tell the conservative side of the story. This is the=20 premise Fox executives start from when they defend their own network:=20 If Fox appears conservative, they argue, it's only because the=20 country has grown so accustomed to the left-leaning media that a=20 truly balanced network seems to lean right. "The reason you may=20 believe it tips to the right is you're stunned at seeing so many=20 conservatives," Ailes once told a reporter (Washington Post, 2/5/01).=20 But Ailes and his colleagues have trouble backing up these claims=20 with actual facts. He's fond of calling Bob Novak the only=20 conservative on CNN--"that's the only guy they hired that was to the=20 right!" (Charlie Rose, 5/22/01) --but he ignores Tucker Carlson, Kate=20 O'Beirne and Mary Matalin (who recently left for the White House),=20 not to mention past conservative stars such as Lynne Cheney, Mona=20 Charen, John Sununu and, of course, Pat Buchanan, perhaps the most=20 right-wing figure in national politics and an 18-year veteran of=20 Crossfire (minus the occasional hiatus to run for president). According to Bill O'Reilly, Fox "gives voice to people who can't get=20 on other networks. When was the last time you saw pro-life people [on=20 other networks] unless they shot somebody?" (Philadelphia Inquirer,=20 4/10/01). O'Reilly's question is easily answered; in the last three=20 years, the National Right to Life Committee's spokespeople have=20 appeared on CNN 21 times (compared with 16 appearances for their main=20 counterpart, the National Abortion Rights Action League). In a 1999 Washington Post profile (3/26/99), Ailes offered another=20 example. He said he was particularly proud of a three-part series on=20 education that Fox had recently aired, which reported that "many=20 educators believe self-esteem teaching is harmful" to students. "The=20 mainstream media will never cover that story," Ailes told the=20 Post. "I've seen 10,000 stories on education and I've never seen one=20 that didn't say the federal government needed to spend more money on=20 education."=20 But just weeks prior to Ailes' interview, CNN's weekly Newsstand=20 series (2/28/99) aired a glowing profile of an upstate New York=20 business executive who had turned around a troubled inner-city=20 elementary school "by bringing the lessons of the boardroom into the=20 classroom." CNN's report came complete with soundbites from a=20 conservative education advocate ("the unions are a major impediment=20 to education reform") and lines from host Jeff Greenfield=20 like, "Critics have said that for decades, the public education=20 system has behaved like an entrenched monopoly with little or no=20 incentive to improve its performance." The piece would have warmed=20 the heart of any conservative education reformer. The difference between the two networks is that while such=20 conservative-friendly fare airs on CNN some of the time, Fox has=20 oriented its whole network around it. Contrary to what Ailes and=20 other right-wing media critics say, the agenda of CNN and its fellow=20 mainstream outlets is not liberal or conservative, but staunchly=20 centrist. The perspectives they value most are those of the=20 bipartisan establishment middle, the same views that make up the=20 mainstream corporate consensus that media publishers and executives=20 are themselves a part of. It's politicians who stake out centrist,=20 pro-business positions within their parties who win the adulation of=20 the Washington press corps, like John McCain and Joe Lieberman during=20 the 2000 campaign. Both parties are constantly urged by the media=20 to "move to the center." Defenders of Fox might argue that its brand of conservative-tilted=20 programming fills a void, since it represents a form of ideologically=20 hard-edged news seldom seen in the centrist media. But the same point=20 could be made on the other side of the spectrum: Just as conservative=20 stories don't always make it onto CNN, neither do stories that matter=20 to the left. A left-wing version of Fox might run frequent updates on=20 the Mumia Abu-Jamal case, the dangers of depleted uranium weapons or=20 the benefits of single-payer health care. That would contrast sharply=20 with CNN--but it wouldn't justify calling CNN "right-wing"=20 or "conservative." Fox's "leftist" accusations are equally unfounded.=20 At about the same time that Fox was taking a deep interest in the=20 David Horowitz ad controversy, the Boston Globe refused to run an ad=20 criticizing the office supply company Staples for its use of non- recycled paper. Though the Globe is arguably a more important venue=20 for debate than any number of college papers, the case was not=20 reported by either Fox or CNN. Indeed, until a FAIR letter-writing=20 campaign forced the Globe ombudsman to address the issue (6/11/01),=20 only one publication in the Nexis news database reported it at all=20 (Sacramento Bee, 4/12/01).=20 "The media are not disposed toward Republican presidents--any=20 Republican president--and really never have been." --Brit Hume, Fox=20 News Channel managing editor (Washington Post, 9/25/00) Fox is sometimes forced to juggle two identities--Republican and=20 conservative--that are not always the same. A recent example was the=20 standoff over the downed American spy plane in China. Following=20 appearances on Special Report by conservatives William Kristol=20 (4/9/01) and Fred Barnes (4/11/01), who were critical of Bush for his=20 unexpectedly conciliatory handling of the crisis, Fox (4/13/01) was=20 quick to run a slew of letters from outraged Republican viewers=20 accusing the pundits of trying to "undermine a president of their own=20 party." They "never cut him a bit of slack," one viewer wrote. "Who=20 needs Dan Rather when you have Mr. Kristol to bring down our=20 president?" Fox's sensitivity to Republican complaints came into the open during=20 the 2000 presidential campaign when Tony Snow was the target of a=20 barrage of criticism from posters to the far-right website=20 FreeRepublic.com, who accused him of being too negative about the=20 Bush campaign in his columns and on Fox News Channel.=20 Snow responded to the Freepers, as the site's conservative=20 contributors call themselves, with a long and detailed apologia,=20 highlighting every pro-Bush aspect of his work in excruciating=20 detail. Discussing his syndicated conservative column, he wrote:=20 I have found over the years that the best way to be friendly to any=20 politician is to be honest. Having said that, I've hardly been=20 hostile to Bush in recent columns. Yes, I have criticized him this=20 year, but no serious reader could possibly believe Gore has gotten=20 the best of the exchange.=20 Just check out the two most recent columns. A piece on "specifics"=20 notes that Gore offers virtually no specifics to voters and the few=20 he mentions are nuts. There's plenty of grist there for Bush fans and=20 the Bush campaign. The most recent defends Bush in the Adam Clymer=20 affair. In response to a writer who was irate at a video clip showing a Bush=20 gaffe, Snow replied: "Yes, we carried a Bush gaffe at the end. It was=20 funny, not damaging to the candidate."=20 And perhaps most tellingly, he described the strategy he had recently=20 used on Fox News Sunday (9/10/00) to interview a pair of guests about=20 the presidential campaign-- the first an aide to Bill Clinton, the=20 second the Republican governor of Pennsylvania: 1) We opened with a tough interview of John Podesta, taking Clinton=20 to task for a series of things (including hate crimes legislation)=20 and asking some tough questions about Gore's energy and health-care=20 policies. 2) Tom Ridge came next. We tried to get him to fire away at=20 Clinton/Gore corruption. He wouldn't do it. We tried to get him to=20 urge a more openly conservative campaign by Bush. He wouldn't do it.=20 If you have complaints about such matters, I suggest you write the=20 Bush campaign, not Fox News Channel. In other words, Snow admits he was trying to put the Democratic guest=20 on the defensive about Clinton--while goading the Republican into=20 playing offense against Clinton. (The episode is a perfect example of=20 Fox's notion of balance: attacking Democrats and liberals on=20 substance while challenging Repub-licans and conservatives only on=20 tactics.) In closing the memo, Snow wrote, "Parting thoughts: I made=20 fun of the United Nations." He concluded: "I have a hard time finding=20 anything in that lineup that Freepers would consider treasonous." "Fair and balanced, as always."--Fox News slogan Some have suggested that Fox's conservative point of view and its=20 Republican leanings render the network inherently unworthy as a news=20 outlet. FAIR believes that view is misguided. The United States is=20 unusual, perhaps even unique, in having a journalistic culture so=20 fiercely wedded to the elusive notion of "objective" news (an idea of=20 relatively recent historical vintage even in the U.S.). In Great=20 Britain, papers like the conservative Times of London and the left- leaning Guardian deliver consistently excellent coverage while making=20 no secret of their respective points of view. There's nothing keeping=20 American journalists from doing the same.=20 If anything, it is partly the disingenuous claim to objectivity that=20 is corroding the integrity of the news business. American journalists=20 claim to represent all political views with an open mind, yet in=20 practice a narrow bipartisan centrism excludes dissenting points of=20 view: No major newspaper editorial page opposed NAFTA; virtually all=20 endorse U.S. airstrikes on Iraq; and single-payer health care=20 proposals find almost no backers among them. With the ascendance of Fox News Channel, we now have a national=20 conservative TV network in addition to the established centrist=20 outlets. But like the mainstream networks, Fox refuses to admit its=20 political point of view. The result is a skewed center-to-right media=20 spectrum made worse by the refusal to acknowledge any tilt at all.=20 Fox could potentially represent a valuable contribution to the=20 journalistic mix if it admitted it had a conservative point of view,=20 if it beefed up its hard news and investigative coverage (and cut=20 back on the tabloid sensationalism), and if there were an openly left- leaning TV news channel capable of balancing both Fox's conservatism=20 and CNN's centrism. None of these three things appears likely to happen in the=20 foreseeable future.=20 SIDEBAR: Toeing the Line on Special Report For some, the free market is a religion. That seems true for Fox News=20 reporter Brit Hume, who has made no secret of what he thinks about=20 the idea of caps on wholesale electricity prices in California. Hume=20 commented on Fox (5/29/01) that "no one with an economics degree that=20 I know" would support price caps for California. In fact, 10 prominent mainstream economists wrote a letter to George=20 W. Bush endorsing the idea. "We are mindful of the potential dangers=20 of applying a simple price cap," they wrote (New York Times,=20 5/30/01). "But California's electricity markets are not characterized=20 by effective competition." The letter added that the Federal Energy=20 Regulatory Commission's "failure to act now will have dire=20 consequences for the state of California." Paul Krugman, one of the=20 country's most prominent economists, had by that point written six=20 columns in the New York Times calling for energy price caps. But on Fox, laissez-faire orthodoxy was enforced. When Jeff Birnbaum,=20 Washington bureau chief of Fortune magazine and a frequent guest on=20 Special Report with Brit Hume, suggested (5/29/01) that price=20 caps "might help the blackouts through this summer," this view was=20 rejected by both of the other panelists, Morton Kondracke and Bill=20 Kristol. Hume, acting as moderator, derided Birnbaum for his=20 deviation: "Did you ever have any economics in college? . . . There=20 are books . . . that could help you."=20 A day later (5/30/01), Birnbaum came on the show to deliver what can=20 only be described as a recantation: "I consulted my Economics 101,=20 and I made a mistake last night when I spoke," he said. "Price caps=20 are definitely the wrong economic answer. It could lead to a=20 spreading energy gap and problem beyond California's borders and a=20 long-term energy problem that would clearly be a serious political=20 and substantive problem for the Bush administration."=20 "No apology required," was Hume's response. But one got the definite=20 impression that toeing the ideological line is required on Special=20 Report. --Peter Hart SIDEBAR:An Obsession That Only Goes So Far One of Fox News Channel's favorite recent stories involved a=20 newspaper ad that claimed African-Americans benefited from slavery,=20 and owed America for the favor. The ad's author, conservative=20 activist David Horowitz, claimed to be a victim of censorship=20 and "political correctness" because a number of college newspapers=20 refused to publish his ad, which argued against the idea of slavery=20 reparations. Fox saw this as a major issue: Horowitz and his ad were=20 mentioned at least 21 times on the network between March 6 and April=20 3. On Fox News Sunday (3/25/01), the network's Sunday-morning equivalent=20 of Meet the Press, interviews with Secretary of Energy Spencer=20 Abraham and Sen. Joseph Lieberman were incongruously followed by a=20 segment featuring a largely unknown reparations activist and David=20 Horowitz, in a Crossfire-style debate about Horowitz's rejected ad.=20 On Special Report with Brit Hume, the Horowitz ad became the subject=20 of at least nine "Grapevine" items in less than a month. The ad was=20 also the subject of Hume's lead question to conservative columnist=20 John Leo when he appeared for a one-on-one interview (3/23/01).=20 Afterward, Hume put the Horowitz issue to the show's all-star panel=20 of pundits; all three pundits agreed that campus liberals were=20 squelching debate. Mara Liasson argued that reparations are "pretty=20 much of a non-issue" and Horowitz's ad was not "nearly as bad as the=20 kind of hate speech you hear about in other cases," while Mort=20 Kondracke explained that "there's nothing racist in this."=20 On Hannity & Colmes (3/26/01), the issue was: "Has David Horowitz's=20 freedom of speech become a victim of political correctness?" On The=20 O'Reilly Factor (3/6/01), it was Horowitz and host Bill O'Reilly=20 interrogating a reparations activist from Mobile, Alabama. ("That's=20 my tax money!" O'Reilly exclaimed.) The Edge with Paula Zahn brought=20 Horowitz on three times within a month to discuss the same subject. But there was one twist to the Horowitz story that Fox couldn't be=20 bothered to report. When Horowitz's ad was offered to the Daily=20 Princetonian in April, the paper ran it--along with an editorial=20 (4/4/01) describing its ideas as racist and promising to donate the=20 ad's proceeds to the local chapter of the Urban League. Horowitz, the=20 free-speech crusader, refused to pay his bill unless the paper's=20 editors publicly apologized for their hurtful words: "Its slanders=20 contribute to the atmosphere of intolerance and hate towards=20 conservatives," a statement from his office read.=20 Suddenly Fox lost interest in the Horowitz case. After a month of=20 running twice-weekly updates about college papers that were refusing=20 the ad, Special Report with Brit Hume ignored the Princeton episode.=20 None of the network's major shows transcribed in the Nexis database=20 reported Horowitz's tiff with the paper. No editor from the=20 Princetonian was invited on The O'Reilly Factor to debate whether or=20 not Horowitz was being a hypocrite. When their favorite free-speech=20 martyr suddenly looked like a censor, it was a story Fox just didn't=20 want to pursue. --Seth Ackerman See also the other two articles in FAIR's special report on Fox: Fox's Slanted Sources: Conservatives, Republicans far outnumber=20 others-- a comparison of Special Report with Brit Hume with CNN's=20 Wolf Blitzer Reports. Bill O'Reilly's Sheer O'Reillyness: Don't call him conservative-- but=20 he is.=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 21:26:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89686 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 05:26:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 05:26:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n54d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.79) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 05:26:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n54.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 05:26:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 05:26:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 05:26:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8B012FEC-415B-4BAE-8676-E1C085920744@yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.45.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.26 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=KoLAEFHUKE2YcTuWu0701y-M0YRn8tS_FOWyy8imMsZymrVcoA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > On Nov 29, 2008, at 2:15 PM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO=20 wrote: >=20 > > No different. And, by the way, just in case you have=20 forgotten,=20=20 > > the rich are the ones whom provide jobs for the likes of you and=20 me. >=20 > In case you forget, the rich ones need us for our labor so they=20 can=20=20 > make money. Even the bible says the laborer is worthy of his hire. >=20 > The rich need to pay workers well or we get an economic situation=20=20 > like the one we had. Even Henry Ford understood that. >=20 > I believe that its supposed to be a symbiotic relationship. We=20 don't=20=20 > have that today. The rich and the Republicans for the first 6=20 years=20=20 > of the ruinous Bush administration forgot this. Now the nation is=20 on=20=20 > the verge of collapse into depression. >=20 > Kevin > Even I know IT ISN'T A RADIO ISSUE, I want to remember you this is=20 not a USA people ONLY problem: IT IS A WHOLE WORLD PROBLEM, and I'm=20 not sure richs are the only one guilty in this game. However, my humble opinion is: the republicans have some "still=20 racists" in their files and the democrats don't. BUT BOTH ARE=20 POLITICIANS!!!!!!! We can't trust in politicians. GOD IS THE ONLY SOLUTION!!! But, I'm not sure if there is someone in the world who still=20 remember "something like" GOD. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 21:55:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83005 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 05:55:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 05:55:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 05:55:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11183 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 05:55:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vDDZvXkVM1m5jESGa6Tty96nGJBHUBCZZllwrWzxlUZtZ9LBM40GyNHAm_jq_pYV5HWCe.vEdRRq0A54vXqxwhBjr7yKN0lq7k6L4BpOKqqBrhjYFLV89CQkgMewCkJwfJJNSDPQeLgBwPwP8w48z8QJGIYquwLdJfsr.UehqAMd1QXXLRA7NYSF5dSd X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:55:11 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:55:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081129.143028.13142.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <258992.11172.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TGK1314nHdaVag_fOG8FK1GrpvGoGETqaMV9kdHfrkJPYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I HAVE watched it, because a raving righty, a multi-millionaire who pays his staff just enough to rent a refrigerator box to live in, owns a restaurant I frequent, and seems to have the big screen permanently tuned to it. Yes, it leans as far to the right as some claim the other channels lean to the left. "we report (just what makes the right look good), you decide". Remember when cut-ins were all the rage on top-40? Today's video suites can do unbelievable editing magic, and ANY story can be cut to say ANYTHING! Unless we can become a fly on the wall of the Oval Office or some congressional meeting, chances are we will NEVER get a fair and balanced report, regardless of who does the reporting. For what it's worth, though, I have heard that when Air Force One is flying, the TVs are usually on the Fox Noise Channel...YOU decide! (Bet THAT changes soon!) George --- On Sat, 11/29/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 5:30 PM > We hear these claims over and over but never anything to > back up the charges. I have a friend who says the very same > things but freely admits he has never watched the channel. > Strange. > > Don > > -- kevin redding wrote: > Their motto should be "Fear and UNbalanced. We report > and decide. > FAUX Nooze." > > Kevin > > On Nov 29, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Dick W wrote: > > > I have found that that Fox News is always right -- far > right! > > Their mission is to preach to the faithful. > > Dick W > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: kevin redding > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:41 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being > NIMBY > > > > > > > > On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:14 PM, > wrote: > > > >> If a lie is repeated often enough, eventually it > becomes the truth. > > > > FAUX Nooze is well known for doing this incessantly. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 22:15:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42704 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 06:15:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 06:15:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.146) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 06:15:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 06:15:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.248] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 06:15:51 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 06:15:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 103769.84261.bm@omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 57631 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 06:15:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 06:15:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4d8k0TIVM1leSE0fnDuxE6hVgiOdm_JevR_gzNJbhrycjrgEidzZb3oZRQlKffMxgKwGsAI4pSaqVrCjjG6l35j9cTmH5mRXRJFXhCBhqv7n4PthRMWviabqmTJrdM47v4RBifDmhYiRFXtG5ru5nDf9L6iGp_txx9OXIj.cKdRfIb2MRMF4RBmytw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:15:49 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=RIIxqzoiZ8BrYrYjXOk5Ez4-Hy4u1s5nBkzTsi6tY614yNmktw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla agreed. On Nov 29, 2008, at 11:26 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > GOD IS THE ONLY SOLUTION!!! From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 22:41:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 788 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 06:41:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 06:41:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 06:41:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39643 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 06:41:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: iE5Le64VM1mtfiDMlMHjO8fDMAZh2b15BYBj6n8x9ysKuNDbE4mvub3gqovfiXt6nY1lHA9rHu1NM1SgcaDJjKMgg0AAouLWHQuLVBuug2tC6UE1JfP0_nGAapExts..ilTWELhRxA5jxBDXAqfkDHsyKatpDYgBK_cviEHtddFzgIFC8DzbHXHMv08p X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:41:02 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:41:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <501975.39551.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=DHZiUsghMGfwtG559pGIIRkN6OXeNaAgaV-qxZV40bdD9w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, but at a wage that is one step away from legalized slavery! I've seen up close, too many "small businesses" that make money hand over fist for the owner, yet he can't seem to afford to pay the people doing the REAL work a wage that can keep them above poverty...maybe it's those big payments on the yacht, the mansion, and the Mercedes? (or perhaps a local house of ill repute!) I'm not generalizing here, I know there are plenty of honest and fair employers, but I do get a little sick of hearing "we can't afford to hire workers" or "we can't afford to pay above minimum wage", spoken as they are on the way to the country club in their car that cost more than I'll make in the next four years. Let me add to the list of ugly human traits like greed and arrogance... HYPOCRISY! --- On Sat, 11/29/08, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing > To: "AM Stereo" > Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 3:15 PM > No different. And, by the way, just in case you have > forgotten, the rich are the ones whom provide jobs for the > likes of you and me. > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: > big_h00pla@yahoo.comDate: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:55:04 > -0600Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing > > > > On Nov 29, 2008, at 9:19 AM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON > - CEO wrote:> Mr. Obama is a typical Chicago politician. > Promise the folks any > and all, and then do what you > want once elected.And this is different than a politician > from Texas, California, Wyoming, Minnesota, Massachusetts or > Florida?Chicago or elsewhere, all politicians are made from > a cookie cutter.Even after saying all this, Obama is going > to be better for working people than any Republican. We have > been crushed, those of us who worked by the Republicans and > scummy Bush. Now the rich are going to be crushed so we will > have a new economic system using Ameros. Its gonna > happen.Kevin > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 22:43:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69186 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 06:43:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 06:43:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 06:43:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30920 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 06:43:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HS5GEmYVM1m7HnMV4DYq3qy28po_TcZLUJDFiYmL25XDZQhUKPJKllU13SMzi57xIy96._BLsn0ksTY7JudnlopGlMee_tMoYF9MN_UXQrySEe2jmy3T02cU92JrHl2W9gCJedlWPmqn.37OZ_wRU_s0.ou1AyXiCCrjPdxpohi_AuXwJD4O_iDcvJp2 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:43:31 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:43:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <691F32B6-5AF0-4EC2-B4C5-09AA8206BD35@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <989494.30299.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=fpNEEmxTpVdoSA8BUnxhcVvsTDrtgQrQIECkti9B7CuM0A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, and I have noticed you can often do this with the sound turned off...some of those idiots make it so easy to tell when they are lying... their lips move! --- On Sat, 11/29/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 6:52 PM > I watch the channel but only to hear real lies and > stupidity. > > Kevin > > On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:30 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > We hear these claims over and over but never anything > to back up > > the charges. I have a friend who says the very same > things but > > freely admits he has never watched the channel. > Strange. From carrdave_1963@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 04:41:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: carrdave_1963@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26840 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 12:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 12:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 12:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 12:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 12:41:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:41:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 114.72.241.247 From: "carrdave_1963" Subject: Hello From Aust. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=359098819; y=H4qEpUpGHfR3ozJPaOKtxT-tD4KwnshLaXQ_gJ8sNiUl29wgczncDg X-Yahoo-Profile: carrdave_1963 This is my first post on this site. Hello I am new to this site & I have had been a fan of the old CQUAM since the introduction of AM Stereo in the mid 80's when I built a decoder based on the MC13020 chip & wired it to a valve AM radio tuner & was using it to receive stations from Sydney during the day from my old location in Dubbo in central NSW. These days I use an Redsun RP2100 through an 455 to 12kHz converter feeding my computer via the soundcard & using an SDR program called SoDiRa which supports AM stereo decoding. The only station that is now transmitting a stereo pilot tone in my part of the world is 4BC in Brisbane. I can also decode DRM transmission using an program called Dream & I have decoded the transmissions from RNZI using it. In Australia we are about to go over to digital radio as of May 2009 & all capital city AM & FM stations will start transmitting in digital using VHF highband one or two frequincies. Within 10 years of the start of digital radio all AM & FM stations will cease transmitting. Kind regards. Dave Carr.=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 05:09:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64436 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 13:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 13:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 13:09:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39828 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 13:09:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 641ld2oVM1kiLkf2Fn8f3UAXSAXS0CG7htCmavw6XKsVPWl47nfA2iRwFYoE5SHh.K_zaZz6.hO2cpmmAd1EwbLUcfA5llyJkrlIA4cezzVIiMQyeQ_3E6VXPvOk9lYfrXn_lDFezbK.yZzoy9_P5IJf X-Received: from [72.241.176.83] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 05:09:20 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 05:09:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <826026.39638.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=5wElRrV7jcVdkGRnyS5o6SSNKBS6eUukYL1KwHzX7LFcFGcpyjuTaD8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Can we talk about radio again? From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Nov 30 05:41:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67885 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 13:41:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 13:41:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.174) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 13:41:33 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W23 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 05:41:32 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:41:32 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <826026.39638.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <826026.39638.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2008 13:41:32.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B344D00:01C952F1] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=ggAAqpki1GRhc9HSbcgdqCpQKQgGVFv4JHO4dwKlh44UvErn3g2ilVQI2So X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Can we talk radio again?" NO !! :) I was away for Thanksgiving and it's amazing how much difference 73 miles can make. Where I am in St. Pete we have locals on 760 and 1040; but at my parents' I was able to pick up 1040 WHO out of Des Moines and also WJR out of your area. What was all the more amazing is that I can pick up WJR 760 there most of the time, but this past Friday and Saturday it was coming in like a local between 6 - 8 pm when I was listening and at the times I listened it was local talk instead of satellite feed, which is a nice change. Overnight of course, it seems as though every third station has that Coast to Coast AM, which I can usually listen to for about 2 or 3 minutes before having to change the dial. Donn btw- glad to see we have another member from Australia on the board...... Welcome! Seems as though Australia is going to take digital seriously and do it right; or at least better than here. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: toledohamradio@yahoo.comDate: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 05:09:20 -0800Subject: {AMSF} Radio News? Can we talk about radio again? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Sun Nov 30 05:44:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56219 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 13:44:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 13:44:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s37.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.176) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 13:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W24 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s37.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 05:44:21 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:44:21 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2008 13:44:21.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[BFCF7550:01C952F1] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Hello From Aust. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=dx5k1IIitLDprV-VTDlUgqqz3wyvatKsK3r1H2RyeLIiabPC2lAUOXGdZ34 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome Dave, Sometimes, we do discuss radio on this board!! :) The sad thing is that am stereo isn't what it used to be here in the states (of course radio programming has been decimated as well on both bands). Donn st. petersburg,fl,usa To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: carrdave_1963@yahoo.comDate: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:41:32 +0000Subject: {AMSF} Hello From Aust. This is my first post on this site.Hello I am new to this site & I have had been a fan of the old CQUAMsince the introduction of AM Stereo in the mid 80's when I built adecoder based on the MC13020 chip & wired it to a valve AM radio tuner& was using it to receive stations from Sydney during the day from myold location in Dubbo in central NSW.These days I use an Redsun RP2100 through an 455 to 12kHz converterfeeding my computer via the soundcard & using an SDR program calledSoDiRa which supports AM stereo decoding.The only station that is now transmitting a stereo pilot tone in mypart of the world is 4BC in Brisbane.I can also decode DRM transmission using an program called Dream & Ihave decoded the transmissions from RNZI using it.In Australia we are about to go over to digital radio as of May 2009 &all capital city AM & FM stations will start transmitting in digitalusing VHF highband one or two frequincies.Within 10 years of the start of digital radio all AM & FM stationswill cease transmitting.Kind regards.Dave Carr. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 06:42:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87428 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 14:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 14:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.104) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 14:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 14:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.252] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 14:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 14:42:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 371108.70285.bm@omp413.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 22716 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 14:42:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 14:42:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _1.CLhsVM1kjbigDosqeXFR2H5Zv3nE7GaseCU6VdcfMO1TjguLAw0m5WRVeHR9xbvAXuI.ML85TyNFHW0kCcy8laMpoerAAxVhtNf6ZK70bCPBRAbwyLDYfWr7V_RfIJX.j6j9AIVrlzUfTH541aR5tjJgb94jtv8ffTg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <826026.39638.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <826026.39638.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3545E93D-1742-41DE-9B44-43D4B75253C3@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:42:45 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=1Pji_VYb8Y5E1FOz7mANvPtMNlSc2upmM8SQogTxQ8P1yJZ0Jw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Can we talk about radio again? Yes, but you have to bring something up to talk about . Kevin From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Nov 30 06:50:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89729 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 14:50:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 14:50:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.222) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 14:50:11 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W7 ([64.4.19.107]) by bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 06:50:11 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:50:11 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8B012FEC-415B-4BAE-8676-E1C085920744@yahoo.com> References: <018d01c9518a$ae88afe0$d503fea9@stodd> <02B9B249-0B02-4D13-A0DE-F6F728FF6D66@yahoo.com> <8B012FEC-415B-4BAE-8676-E1C085920744@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2008 14:50:11.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2740080:01C952FA] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=TYSvf0PJdOSy844pRF5_EHWgJa2-eZJwBlvpnBaKHTc9qFO8HoIR X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to agree that the Republican administration hasn't covered itself with glory. They became the majority party and seemed to forget their principles. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: big_h00pla@yahoo.comDate: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:51:30 -0600Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing On Nov 29, 2008, at 2:15 PM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote:> No different. And, by the way, just in case you have forgotten, > the rich are the ones whom provide jobs for the likes of you and me.In case you forget, the rich ones need us for our labor so they can make money. Even the bible says the laborer is worthy of his hire.The rich need to pay workers well or we get an economic situation like the one we had. Even Henry Ford understood that.I believe that its supposed to be a symbiotic relationship. We don't have that today. The rich and the Republicans for the first 6 years of the ruinous Bush administration forgot this. Now the nation is on the verge of collapse into depression.Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sun Nov 30 08:37:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11590 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 16:37:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 16:37:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 16:37:16 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVFSKAAGL7Z32 for (sender ); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:36:48 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD04WR63ei1ETTdMUnOuKFdI= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N29S6UTQ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:36:05 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:35:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:35:50 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081130.083550.7606.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:923905396 X-MAIL-INFO:0871c8ac5519fc557928ad8d0119b581082949a5dd01e12c X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=hcNliCdPLY2wF_3ks7VFM7OhGgP3yLBbpxPY6Nhuaw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Thanks for making my point: "We hear these claims over and over but never = anything to back up the charges." Don -- kevin redding wrote: I watch the channel but only to hear real lies and stupidity. Kevin On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:30 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > We hear these claims over and over but never anything to back up=20=20 > the charges. I have a friend who says the very same things but=20=20 > freely admits he has never watched the channel. Strange. From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sun Nov 30 08:56:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19567 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 16:56:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 16:56:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms046pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.46) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 16:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KB5000JROE9L55B@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:56:34 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:56:33 -0500 To: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20081130.083550.7606.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=APvsysD8crfRMDQZuxU4iNXidpB45_4orJtD-We8sRBE4w X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An example: During the campaigns, Fox carried expose after expose about Barack Obama and all his alleged nefarious activities and associations, but I never heard any exposes from Fox regarding the McCain or Palin campaign. I guess it was just because Fox's candidates were without faults or shortcomings! Dick W ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:35 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze Thanks for making my point: "We hear these claims over and over but never anything to back up the charges." Don -- kevin redding wrote: I watch the channel but only to hear real lies and stupidity. Kevin On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:30 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > We hear these claims over and over but never anything to back up > the charges. I have a friend who says the very same things but > freely admits he has never watched the channel. Strange. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 11:33:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39320 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 19:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 19:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.126.232) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 19:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 19:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 19:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 19:33:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 544140.22598.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 93042 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 19:33:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 19:33:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aI4.21gVM1lrtdEEME2RSKjzHnHy0_5_nfWA.TnEtwNjvLI1bDzgpfFIEtI2UZRdvBS_0VK7eV8ntG1H3x0PYBJMbSZz.nea9YzY4IVuTG2Gm31WbTAYdiZ6B1cJfDxOZotHqYxZ2iIptyXi.p59wBO7fKTi542iCLvi_g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081130.083550.7606.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> References: <20081130.083550.7606.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:33:34 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.126.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=SdQInzdTXof7zc9lW8QhqBBhSvqhFcCNJybToKtxP5Elin_ZoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Its because I would be at the keyboard 24/7 to list it all. Kevin On Nov 30, 2008, at 4:35 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Thanks for making my point: "We hear these claims over and over > but never anything to back up the charges." From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 11:42:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76492 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 19:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 19:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 19:42:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76904 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 19:42:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: G7O69ncVM1kebj_4IrAh9fchHoX87v1t_iDWfPpWczEs24NnOfgQM2E4EclquYw8Sda961mZIbomxhONisNzz0S35zLPIH1JAqIFyVZjm.slLz892A5KVv3hhUng.E5vUz5P2SG2OYx5sYtBSfgZ6zE6JfIl86B.dYqjXMDJLcf6MYqS6TSs.8emul8- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:42:55 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:42:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <889292.95227.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <501355.76438.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=uuJAReYmBP2v-7AwwWoZL0gFLeEg6SovlAhM9XPLdpH02aBmbWcd X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just wasn't sure if it (a new 1580-Shamrock) could get 250W night.=A0 I'm= not as familiar with that area & what would restrict it on 1580 or nearby?= =A0 Would the limiting station(s) by XERF & what else?=A0 CBE?=A0 Again, I'= m not sure what on 1580 or adjacent to it would keep a new 1580 at Shamrock= from getting 250W night?=A0 I know the minimum now is 250W D & N or, I bel= ieve, a theoretical minimum of 282mv/m if less than 250W (except for Class = C stations which I think is 241mV/m). 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 P.S.: On radio-locator.com it looks like there aren't many F.M. allocations= out there either. --- On Sat, 11/29/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 10:07 AM =20=20=20=20 New applications have to have 250 watts night minimum. And the= allocation was deleted years ago. It would have to start as new. Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 11/29/08, JNR wrote: > I'm glad a ham got the XMTR.! Now why can't 1580 > come back? I know it's a clear but am unsure > what's clear on 1580 there, or is it too close to > XERF/1570? What about a class C frequency? >=20 > Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 11:56:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26810 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 19:56:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 19:56:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 19:56:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88569 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 19:56:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VyLQcdMVM1kahVQS3bohWlGx1EmukMZGABRu8YIDbTwa8N2GDCzir4Y64rKdk778BbeoDUbbvgFKAEdgjk7jbegKTgFW4ofAC8o2pxvhmPFWePZ9T8ZDn8RbEA9.mMRXNe2WqynAodECTSGfPVf1ay5E3Sgreosne62x9TJ9.0I9_ysL_iFDHNf3KU8- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:56:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:56:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <846907.84497.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello From Aust. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=iCu7AP983mJAjdZ8jWhBuGE58XYnyhZfwGos8LIrSV4XytBdI8eo X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, welcome Dave!=A0 There are a few guys from Australia on here!=A0 Ian i= s from Melbourne, we had a couple of Matts (not sure if they're still aroun= d) & so we're glad Australia has added another member!=A0 I, by the way, am= from Rhode Island, U.S.A..=A0 We have at least one Canadian on here as wel= l as a gentleman from Chile. Yes, I too enjoy C-QuAM & it was one of the better systems (I think the Mag= navox sounded best but that's just my opinion!) out there.=A0 We have at le= ast one Kahn guy if not more here.=A0 I will warn you though that of late, = there have been some political discussions which aren't really on topic but= they're there anyway.=A0 While I am political, I personally don't engage o= n this board because I don't think it's the place for it.=A0 What I & other= s do like to do are discuss equipment & stations as well as more technical = matters.=A0 Some talk about the decoder chips.=A0 Also some guys build equi= pment.=A0 There are or were a couple of hams on here who operate A.M. stere= o on their stations.=A0 We have a bunch of part 15 operators including myse= lf.=A0 Then we have people who want to own a station; I am one of those. Welcome aboard! Jay Rogers Amateur stations N1WVQ & V31VQ, General Mobile Radio Service station WQBI41= 0. --- On Sun, 11/30/08, carrdave_1963 wrote: From: carrdave_1963 Subject: {AMSF} Hello From Aust. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 7:41 AM =20=20=20=20 This is my first post on this site. Hello I am new to this site & I have had been a fan of the old CQUAM since the introduction of AM Stereo in the mid 80's when I built a decoder based on the MC13020 chip & wired it to a valve AM radio tuner & was using it to receive stations from Sydney during the day from my old location in Dubbo in central NSW. These days I use an Redsun RP2100 through an 455 to 12kHz converter feeding my computer via the soundcard & using an SDR program called SoDiRa which supports AM stereo decoding. The only station that is now transmitting a stereo pilot tone in my part of the world is 4BC in Brisbane. I can also decode DRM transmission using an program called Dream & I have decoded the transmissions from RNZI using it. In Australia we are about to go over to digital radio as of May 2009 & all capital city AM & FM stations will start transmitting in digital using VHF highband one or two frequincies. Within 10 years of the start of digital radio all AM & FM stations will cease transmitting. Kind regards. Dave Carr.=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 30 12:27:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30480 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 20:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 20:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 20:27:23 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.216] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081130142651000089900016.0) with SMTP id <20081130142651000089900016> for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:26:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009701c9532a$58a4d8a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:26:51 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=tVoykhhaXaLMcCWY_Pt4U_oRQOMJDbnSFcx9-PWi6y1ZvzjDHvgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We've got to stop agreeing like this- folks will suspect something... Scott TOdd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:15 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing agreed. On Nov 29, 2008, at 11:26 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > GOD IS THE ONLY SOLUTION!!! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 30 12:34:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53641 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 20:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 20:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 20:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.216] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081130143428000062800010.0) with SMTP id <20081130143428000062800010> for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:34:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e301c9532b$6833e3a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20081130.083550.7606.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:34:28 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=T2afbu2Vm2EQjrXJ7f1hqxZN3ey0tryjvtSGb4F4n1qCc_XgY5k8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fox news didn't have to cover McCain/Palin shortcomings- all the rest of the networks were doing it for them while keeping mum about Obama. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com An example: During the campaigns, Fox carried expose after expose about Barack Obama and all his alleged nefarious activities and associations, but I never heard any exposes from Fox regarding the McCain or Palin campaign. I guess it was just because Fox's candidates were without faults or shortcomings! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 30 12:36:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25696 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 20:36:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 20:36:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 20:36:21 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.216] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081130143603000196200010.0) with SMTP id <20081130143603000196200010> for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:36:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00eb01c9532b$a0ad9780$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:36:03 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hello From Aust. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=yJsOEBefpvWfPStMhIDcu8kIRp6nyW6XQzmaVd99Ap9ra9DNmN6S X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I'll file this post for future reference. Great to know there's an SDR program which can do AM stereo. Welcome to the list. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: carrdave_1963 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:41 AM Subject: {AMSF} Hello From Aust. This is my first post on this site. Hello I am new to this site & I have had been a fan of the old CQUAM since the introduction of AM Stereo in the mid 80's when I built a decoder based on the MC13020 chip & wired it to a valve AM radio tuner & was using it to receive stations from Sydney during the day from my old location in Dubbo in central NSW. These days I use an Redsun RP2100 through an 455 to 12kHz converter feeding my computer via the soundcard & using an SDR program called SoDiRa which supports AM stereo decoding. The only station that is now transmitting a stereo pilot tone in my part of the world is 4BC in Brisbane. I can also decode DRM transmission using an program called Dream & I have decoded the transmissions from RNZI using it. In Australia we are about to go over to digital radio as of May 2009 & all capital city AM & FM stations will start transmitting in digital using VHF highband one or two frequincies. Within 10 years of the start of digital radio all AM & FM stations will cease transmitting. Kind regards. Dave Carr. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Nov 30 12:46:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95815 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 20:46:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 20:46:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n54d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.79) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 20:46:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n54.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 20:46:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.100] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 20:46:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:46:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20081130.083550.7606.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.45.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.49.182 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=75F4H0eXfRRiU_NMB2RBYJkNBhYt4aIEd2Mo6bBGmSaDTkU X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane If anybody really, and I mean really believes, all kidding aside,=20 That Fox News is fair and balanced, I am truly dissapointed. This is a good example of being Fair and Balanced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdN823dUu6KA --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 wrote: > > Thanks for making my point: "We hear these claims over and over=20 but never anything to back up the charges." >=20 > Don >=20 > -- kevin redding wrote: > I watch the channel but only to hear real lies and stupidity. >=20 > Kevin >=20 > On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:30 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > We hear these claims over and over but never anything to back up=20=20 > > the charges. I have a friend who says the very same things but=20=20 > > freely admits he has never watched the channel. Strange. > From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Nov 30 12:57:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69560 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 20:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 20:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n47a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.141) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 20:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 20:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 20:57:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:57:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e301c9532b$6833e3a0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.141 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.153.49.182 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=D3BVTc91Iy1CXIO7hjNiTvVQogU-EYnCQ_KaegTek75pLDc X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Fox news didn't have to cover McCain/Palin shortcomings- all the=20 rest of the networks were doing it for them while keeping mum about=20 Obama. >=20 > Scott Todd Come on now, Palin didn't have any shortcomings. It was all a vast=20 conspiracy of the Mainstream Media & Liberal Media. Everything evil said about her were fabrications. Her lack of=20 interviews were to protect her from the "gotcha" Media. Troubles In Alaska: Made up by the MSM. clothing purchased with RNC $$$ : Made up by the MSM Pregnant daughter: None of the MSM business......unless it is=20 parading the baby around...THEN it's OK. Lack of Knowlege about World Events: MSM Bias Why would Fox cover this ? All a non-story..... From w6yn@juno.com Sun Nov 30 13:10:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15601 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 21:10:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 21:10:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 21:10:34 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVGALGAJT9JZS for (sender ); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:10:30 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD93CPLxycnJkcAcw/uUHi5w= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3AATNH7; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:09:35 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:09:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:09:27 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081130.130927.9906.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 10:5:2741526544 X-MAIL-INFO:358ea3eba3276ee727ebd71bce0a7ff74f6b8b1b1e9317171e63cb2fcbc7178feec36ef3c7 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=e5318lh_AzmHq7A15zuax9RIyJ3wbIuy6_kFE7bxtA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Gee. This video clip talks about A Rasmussen poll that shows Fox News as th= e least biased of all of the TV news sources.(MSNBC is the most biased.) A = Pew poll also agrees with that same issue. There is news and there is commentary. One must not confuse the two. Both are protected by the First Amendment. Once you have ALL of the fact - = Then you can make an informed decision.=20 Thanks, Don=20=20 -- "Juan Gualda" wrote: If anybody really, and I mean really believes, all kidding aside,=20=20 That Fox News is fair and balanced, I am truly dissapointed. This is a good example of being Fair and Balanced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdN823dUu6KA --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 wrote: > > Thanks for making my point: "We hear these claims over and over=20 but never anything to back up the charges." >=20 > Don >=20 > -- kevin redding wrote: > I watch the channel but only to hear real lies and stupidity. >=20 > Kevin >=20 > On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:30 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > We hear these claims over and over but never anything to back up=20=20 > > the charges. I have a friend who says the very same things but=20=20 > > freely admits he has never watched the channel. Strange. > From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 13:20:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46594 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 21:20:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 21:20:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.49) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 21:20:13 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 21:20:13 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 21:20:12 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 21:20:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 966733.21562.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 46816 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 21:20:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 21:20:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Mmc_cAAVM1k2IkRRMOf0quGAw_8cBD7ZhZEhlrMdRxAgf20Emct7aYsfUHsVK9Q.wyQ.AlOs86AZcFeQO98MORBqvJ_V2PHwBC3Cidxz3ZA5PmD3gpniPBxP4s.zwp_HpZcIaVzURdHiVjnlx_nY2j8k2hINfZYtwCIzgA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081130.130927.9906.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20081130.130927.9906.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:20:08 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=A8bCJEHucqf_9ojzasPueXk0l-GYjVoG23zQY7VPoNlyZySxqA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Don, You are the most Republican person I have ever run across in my life. Kevin On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:09 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > This video clip talks about A Rasmussen poll that shows Fox News as > the least biased of all of the TV news sources.(MSNBC is the most > biased.) A Pew poll also agrees with that same issue. From w6yn@juno.com Sun Nov 30 13:31:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21043 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 21:31:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 21:31:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 21:31:26 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVGBSLAKMEGTS for (sender ); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:30:50 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5xxOyri8ZeHN04ce85xo/Y= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3ABZMH2; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:30:19 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:29:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:29:24 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081130.132924.9906.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 7:3:745350678 X-MAIL-INFO:41b3e723e723471b470302472f02439a5b0b1e0f9e0f4ed76a1e276efbc7ce57830f1bb3677f370f7f2f03d703b3027f2b4e4bbfba7b033e4b07339a3ac33ac3cb63cb6a93cb5b93c74b87139faa2aaaeadecf9fd3ab9e7edf1a27aa639ab74a7aaa4a5b6ade6a9a934af3ea5f4fee8fbf4bbf1fba431fbaa74bba3f4f5feb0b1b9b2fa3ce7f7bef5767477e7b2f7f2baf3e473e0efbcf8e5f472ffb5a3f1f3f3e87fbcf779f3773bacf3f87f7aa7adb3f7eaad3beda1afadbfa27af9a3a6b832ef7ab8a6a4f9a4f63f38a6bc79e8b02930fc71e6b6b6ace7ace1e1e13471e27e7b3ee0a7f2f472f77eb236f X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=kIqMMbsn8PVTL8GvKu0rNnPIps3y2b4Go-7kwhMV9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn As I have mentioned previously you won't get far repeatedly calling people = names all of the time. Maturity will come if you really try. Don -- kevin redding wrote: Don, You are the most Republican person I have ever run across in my life. Kevin On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:09 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > This video clip talks about A Rasmussen poll that shows Fox News as=20=20 > the least biased of all of the TV news sources.(MSNBC is the most=20=20 > biased.) A Pew poll also agrees with that same issue. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Bleed Republican. Die Republican. You are what you are Don. Its in your DNA. Kevin On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:29 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > As I have mentioned previously you won't get far repeatedly calling > people names all of the time. Maturity will come if you really try. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Nov 30 13:38:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79134 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 21:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 21:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.250) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 21:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n29.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 21:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.88] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 21:38:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:38:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.244.136 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=umGOQdtCoH4WbzHH6bKhhwqwBOp8MpzHmTHExSGtpL_c24w X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > > Don, >=20 > You are the most Republican person I have ever run across in my life. >=20 > Kevin >=20 > On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:09 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: Kevin, My brother makes Don look like a bran muffin eating lefty..... Juan From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Nov 30 13:39:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46697 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 21:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 21:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n32b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.212) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 21:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 21:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 21:39:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:39:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20081130.132924.9906.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.244.136 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=wP2KHEv4trxt9rbcsdaA8p-I3bd63L23kUdxl3y063nRdLM X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 wrote: > > As I have mentioned previously you won't get far repeatedly calling=20 people names all of the time. Maturity will come if you really try. >=20 > Don >=20 > -- kevin redding wrote: > Don, >=20 > You are the most Republican person I have ever run across in my life. >=20 > Kevin And being called a Republican is a BAD name ! lol From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 13:41:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17319 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 21:41:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 21:41:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.40) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 21:41:50 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 21:41:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.245] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 21:41:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 21:41:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 595306.45928.bm@omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 93554 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 21:41:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) 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From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 13:47:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37895 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 21:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 21:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 21:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 21:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.64] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 21:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 21:47:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 104388.37707.bm@omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20407 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 21:47:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 21:47:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Xb166hUVM1k3k.3v1XoDxOuKkyupRY6j_OFXHeYDWZ9o4l3ESPJJ9kQpkrBLNJNlZqy0RsMrTVAhtHg3H6nK0QUw1jSEQa9yF_0CJ5moQNbxG3TtX2Jv0HbyKTEJYut3f28a87t6ZUB2zpq2Net.rWFhtmnlTZr3PJAzMA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8DD07A95-FA3A-4C14-8C07-D7D9FB21D69C@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:47:36 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=a3AHnbnjhizBtbECuU4cCwQpDjMu1cH1IJNSA_vYR90ZRuZn4w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > And being called a Republican is a BAD name ! lol If I were a Republican and someone called me a Republican, then I would admit to it. We are what we are. If someone calls me a liberal, progressive, Democratic or even Socialist, I would raise my right hand and say, "Here am I." I yam what I yam. Don quotes Republican sources as if they were Gospel. He totes the Republican line on things. He rails on Democrats who will not be in power for another 51 days. He speaks to Republican talking points. He whines about a non-existent Fairness Doctrine. He brings up things that Limbaugh and Hannity speak about. He complains that Obama was not a US citizen, complains that he is a Muslim and is pretty much exactly in lock step with everything Republican and yet he says he is not Republican. Makes no sense. Someone is not telling the truth, I think. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 30 13:49:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55420 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 21:49:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 21:49:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 21:49:44 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.216] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081130154919002043900010.0) with SMTP id <20081130154919002043900010> for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:49:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <013301c95335$dd33c760$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:49:19 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=f8CNNJLFEUJDDsaDt_y7UEsSz5gkflW-7vc-Pf3ryO8V_s061AL9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To take your points in order- If Alaska were in such deep do-do, then why does she have one of, if not the highest favorable rating of any governor in the US (80%?) I'll agree that the amount spent on her clothing was excessive, but the MSM DID make it look like she was the one doing the spending, at least initially. The MSM tried to make Palin out to be a bad mom because of her daughter's pregnancy- something they'd never do to the other side. Lack of world knowlege- as in that bogus country vs. continent of Africa? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Gualda To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:57 PM Troubles In Alaska: Made up by the MSM. clothing purchased with RNC $$$ : Made up by the MSM Pregnant daughter: None of the MSM business......unless it is parading the baby around...THEN it's OK. Lack of Knowlege about World Events: MSM Bias --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 14:08:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52290 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 22:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:08:00 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.242] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 887016.88501.bm@omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20013 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:07:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .yUhZdoVM1nRclF8xMoIClMJfK4IHoLzYEyxlY8Cdr4y8SYnQ9ykm9nwHbwCF2ej5A.dYIcHgdnmPf6zmaHtcSJEso.Rl4IppWYAtPdXCb5VZQ2uHLVy.7U_9NtxflKBPIDDMW8KJ3uYLXsgq3bWqzbUXB_HDEdYLvFkQrpk3V1hbiafNQumZgNVOQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <013301c95335$dd33c760$d503fea9@stodd> References: <013301c95335$dd33c760$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:07:58 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=uVzbu5v1AKk2uHFyx4W2yD_6rljfzSlFjSydL9U798LXhQxp5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Nov 30, 2008, at 3:49 PM, wrote: > If Alaska were in such deep do-do, then why does she have one of, > if not the highest favorable rating of any governor in the US (80%?) Because she has a tax on oil that the rest of the nation has to pay Alaska and its so much money coming in from raping the other 49 states that Alaska has a no tax rate and people get the surplus. Since she can rape us for taxes to pay for Alaska, the citizens love her because screwing the other 49 gets them off the hook. If you are Alaskan, what's not to love? If you are from the other 49 states, what's there to like? > The MSM tried to make Palin out to be a bad mom because of her > daughter's pregnancy- something they'd never do to the other side. No matter who it was, Palin or Obama, if it was Obama they would have done the same and on top of it would said that the child was pregnant and that all blacks are like that. Palin got her lumps for it. Anyone else would have taken the same ass kicking on this one because its just the kind of lurid crap the press loves. Nothing of substance, just worthless crap is what the press likes to report. My only problem with Palin was that to me, she came across as very ignorant on things. It was painfully obvious why McCain would not let her speak to the press for so long before letting her out to speak on her own. She really did look terribly bad when she spoke in her speeches not just the interviews. She looked terrible in the debate also in my opinion. You betcha! Wink, wink! It is my belief that if McCain picked Romney who understood economic issues better than Palin, Huckabee or any other Republican mentioned for the VP spot, the Republicans had a much better chance to win the election. McCain picked Palin who came across as stupid whether or not she was and it killed him. To me Palin is even less intelligent than Dan Quayle was. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 14:09:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81079 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 22:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:09:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 75138 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 22:09:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: samp470VM1kMYYsa1LVLFuX9RWu4Nq0SSZ3UFibl2PZcsQbxxliMYElDIETEouFQIx1tuqWfWMmZKNdISA3ExfEIQ_W2TmEmSJ1QJR4ouZZVIaKU8VTU6Ru_pei3AsrysAsvXvM.L4es.T1CXZYjrXIMUtqtexlN0QxYuiL3Hdto9MvtmPQpa4IvhQ-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:09:55 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:09:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <871700.74983.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=HcYzv0xshO18GDXRdo7iP1Fct2pIN2KPEBHgKfSXswo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Let's try flannel. [Inside joke] Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Donn Tillman wrote: > From: Donn Tillman > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Radio News? > To: "am stereo" > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 8:41 AM > "Can we talk radio again?" > > NO !! :) > From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 14:11:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38386 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:11:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 22:11:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:11:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55974 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 22:11:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5AiLIhsVM1nWQuBUChwOqOvlqGUoQPdEpNvjggPTnAjExvZDoR.l6z2_D8bM0NE7lK2rx06LjCyUyyT1WtNWV843j9wYrhqpKAwnK2zQgPVnDbORo_Yy409FnJewYjOiLkJXtP1yfGGCWQOITNFH6ZLEljIYIzHq9YgS4G5ZxcxZHZRG3hF.65QzDg-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:11:41 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:11:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <501355.76438.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <896589.54768.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=QC9LDeY1vIp6LHxQgLX0oG9773a3EUY6-xdhfisuJwg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW And no one in their right mind would ever want to put a radio station there= .=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/30/08, JNR wrote: > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 2:42 PM > I just wasn't sure if it (a new 1580-Shamrock) could get > 250W night.=A0 I'm not as familiar with that area & > what would restrict it on 1580 or nearby?=A0 Would the > limiting station(s) by XERF & what else?=A0 CBE?=A0 Again, > I'm not sure what on 1580 or adjacent to it would keep a > new 1580 at Shamrock from getting 250W night?=A0 I know the > minimum now is 250W D & N or, I believe, a theoretical > minimum of 282mv/m if less than 250W (except for Class C > stations which I think is 241mV/m). >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 /terms/ From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 14:11:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14580 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:11:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 22:11:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n79.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.39) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:11:56 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n79.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:11:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:11:56 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:11:56 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:11:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 495773.85500.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 20736 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:11:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:11:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PW2nOJ8VM1mszNW4PiyGX7rVZS7PEOkA2J4CDkUpCidDXLdriIQeUoN4XD_MYMzfD7kKRAmJlib2oThGwEyOKley2sAviE5ofKAmYKNbdugxxN5TgUtD9.xP.ak27igODX48fWsJrHRCqeuVMSCPku4.A_0dV5mndLovgg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <871700.74983.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <871700.74983.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:11:55 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Nsk_PikVwe29KW_0XCtY2qz0pAghbVLDqkq4vLXi-xLih5QUbg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Let's try flannel. [Inside joke] Out of curiosity, how many AM stations are in C-QUAM stereo in the USA? I know there is stereo in the USA on AM but its IBOC digital. Kevin From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 14:13:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87987 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 22:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:13:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38791 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 22:13:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rn1C.pwVM1lVl1RU8N3AN40aGDkrJT5Kwsww3bqKBc6rrte7kJ84KnWzaLpFrJpEXJmd0ViqRTMWLXv8astLYd5Sla0f9SJE7KEgm.L6PtggUnt1ymkEsl3Wu4on.Rj_PjjxrsN4z9Qz4XikgX6X9oRwoq5K5NOZxjaiPiIYPfWsNRCy3wfysAiCR58- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:13:26 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:13:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <896589.54768.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <322144.38605.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=9LF1fKx-RKSsaWypcdOOBr8z8N242KCz01iV-bCfnnBb9UiC43ip X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's what I've heard!=A0 I heard about the saga of an F.M. there (92.9 I = think).=A0 I think Paul W. knows more of the story. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 5:11 PM =20=20=20=20 And no one in their right mind would ever want to put a radio s= tation there.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/30/08, JNR wrote: > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 2:42 PM > I just wasn't sure if it (a new 1580-Shamrock) could get > 250W night.=A0 I'm not as familiar with that area & > what would restrict it on 1580 or nearby?=A0 Would the > limiting station(s) by XERF & what else?=A0 CBE?=A0 Again, > I'm not sure what on 1580 or adjacent to it would keep a > new 1580 at Shamrock from getting 250W night?=A0 I know the > minimum now is 250W D & N or, I believe, a theoretical > minimum of 282mv/m if less than 250W (except for Class C > stations which I think is 241mV/m). >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 /terms/ =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sun Nov 30 14:14:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97617 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:14:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 22:14:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:14:55 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVGEB5A7LUWN2 for (sender ); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:14:19 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDzCS3aM0a/roN5jxkV7oGhk= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3AEHTCD; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:14:07 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:13:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:13:27 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081130.141327.21351.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 7:3:2002700574 X-MAIL-INFO:078d70b4ed116d7ddd405d70c43011859d790101b5e5c1b5bd44f41d1174604d3dd93d808160441090a540e1054490e984e020c0e1c01d95a000 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=2c3R_JL0HAgnYyGDmUkJ5HOt9w7nbDhVT--njU5yMw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Yes. Because I have told you who are slow to comprehend that I am a member = of the "Leave Us Alone Party."=20 Republicans are pretend socialists while the Democrats are trying to be rea= l socialists and are unsuccessful at it but of course refuse to admit failu= re so long as there is any money left that can be spent to assure their re-= election. Don -- "Juan Gualda" wrote: And being called a Republican is a BAD name ! lol --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 wrote: > > As I have mentioned previously you won't get far repeatedly calling=20 people names all of the time. Maturity will come if you really try. >=20 > Don >=20 > -- kevin redding wrote: > Don, >=20 > You are the most Republican person I have ever run across in my life. >=20 > Kevin =20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 14:18:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51804 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 22:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:18:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81365 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 22:18:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: bINowUcVM1mocdoAuPV9xNSG4A3qedWGFSbCCM5kz4bCf5Ohc1vFQkdPo.2LoFcpOD3hc0vZLoXL3MecZz1cgn1EJfIvGpsZy8_SAXHrflQXIpyGGT_cHcJwmUiceJAB85MNPZLuqTw6cWrz1LHODVB5V7MCyUqnfGrI.wL66BGttIsxUqBEMovydA-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:18:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:18:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <322144.38605.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <519531.80574.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Q9Mm2xMUlcZc5ViqW6uI3cCXJX-k32_-kV1Drn-GkJ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Yeah the EDC and the corrupt politicians put Keith in Jail for stealing fro= m his own radio station. They claimed it was theirs, it wasn't and the folk= s there said the FCC laws had no bearing there.... and on and on. Now they= are going to try to put his wife in jail for the same thing.=20=20 The state prosecutor got put in jail himself for hard drugs. It's very poss= ible that the other folks knew about it, but the feds got him.=20=20 It's a long and sordid story. I fear for my life IF I got stopped in Wheel= er county, Texas.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/30/08, JNR wrote: > That's what I've heard!=A0 I heard about the saga of > an F.M. there (92.9 I think).=A0 I think Paul W. knows more > of the story. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 /terms/ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 14:19:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35367 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 22:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:19:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50444 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 22:19:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: X9x11jUVM1nfO1JAayxhEWtGFrLY2Zi7u2TXu5pkA.dcmumQNMFRuEYx1W9Hr8QOZ9.b8biMYxHwc6mGwhHt8TG1uo6SJHd872YfGEyeZmbwk9kio8bLc71NzVXtkgzOQdpx2T_NcyhVAke6btaYesCoBPWdGAho6.n.xJKjkwiMxcACBt8J6pKDdnM- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:19:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:19:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <519531.80574.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <672473.50189.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since everything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=4Tu8vkQVViRbQNc8c_egmiOtMS3aRmZ4lczZl7iX-fnzf_nP6pR1 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, it's not on my travel itinerary EVER! --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 5:18 PM =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Yeah the EDC and the corrupt politicians put Keith in Jail for stealing fro= m his own radio station. They claimed it was theirs, it wasn't and the folk= s there said the FCC laws had no bearing there.... and on and on. Now they= are going to try to put his wife in jail for the same thing.=20=20 The state prosecutor got put in jail himself for hard drugs. It's very poss= ible that the other folks knew about it, but the feds got him.=20=20 It's a long and sordid story. I fear for my life IF I got stopped in Wheel= er county, Texas.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/30/08, JNR wrote: > That's what I've heard!=A0 I heard about the saga of > an F.M. there (92.9 I think).=A0 I think Paul W. knows more > of the story. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 /terms/ =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sun Nov 30 14:23:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4232 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:23:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 22:23:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:23:16 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVGETDA5VLHTA for (sender ); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:22:27 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD+fr98Ld5QtkB1TVNBnyPeA= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3AEXY5R; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:21:51 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:20:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:20:46 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081130.142046.21351.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:3794219950 X-MAIL-INFO:52a191845519e45510f52059291924695160bdf031297571 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=K8FwQnkjel49L_zVuJqMw3DXso5EVpr5e_3x0oh47Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Kevin, Remember that I am not a public figure and that you can be held accountable= for making false statements about me. Please send a list of your assets so I can determine if it would be worth p= ursuing appropriate action.=20=20 Don -- kevin redding wrote: > And being called a Republican is a BAD name ! lol If I were a Republican and someone called me a Republican, then I=20=20 would admit to it. We are what we are. If someone calls me a liberal, progressive, Democratic or even=20=20 Socialist, I would raise my right hand and say, "Here am I." I yam=20=20 what I yam. Don quotes Republican sources as if they were Gospel. He totes the=20=20 Republican line on things. He rails on Democrats who will not be in=20=20 power for another 51 days. He speaks to Republican talking points. He=20=20 whines about a non-existent Fairness Doctrine. He brings up things=20=20 that Limbaugh and Hannity speak about. He complains that Obama was=20=20 not a US citizen, complains that he is a Muslim and is pretty much=20=20 exactly in lock step with everything Republican and yet he says he is=20=20 not Republican. Makes no sense. Someone is not telling the truth, I think. Kevin =20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 14:31:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14478 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:31:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 22:31:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.147) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:31:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:31:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.72] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:31:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:31:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 453050.85526.bm@omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 28823 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:31:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:31:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1cBfsIgVM1keH8j_WkmXh7UNulShz1WoHvj9rgPe9TxgoFoYKdMOjq3WXOQTidpy2tkpLQpHQ61jQ_9mfOq2AdF9B7JF8cT3AELE2KbIyY9PAL9DLUQgVV9q5VWpG1LlvJJ5CJILc3Zj7hI3g4fxPGNNqqTHMU_dVHQ.Vg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081130.141327.21351.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> References: <20081130.141327.21351.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <590BEE45-74BD-4F4D-9D26-B9CBD367843D@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:31:26 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=ObTO0ppO5R76ih-NemkdQqWx6mFrsH31-SF52nN8d6juXX4pbA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Yes. Because I have told you who are slow to comprehend that I am a > member of the "Leave Us Alone Party." I don't believe you. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 14:32:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89199 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 22:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.48) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.247] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:32:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 146777.58680.bm@omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 28926 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:32:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:32:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0l6LohMVM1mJBQmFFvuFkjs_I1yvCuzgSTAZMcKV_NZ.m1YnQUhs_osVksMz5bhhumiLpxvepFesx.UpLRVDztxmVYIDBqgXJYJh6keRC6dUzWCGaojxMUXSrJvhi6XfsMxnU5faNX4uSuW9gV7v9g4h_F_AncNJUJl8tg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081130.142046.21351.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> References: <20081130.142046.21351.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:32:14 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=PAJNwIUvNQX79sBFbu2k2mHa0YCD39VfuFni9iw7Ah7fuqfy3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Please send a list of your assets so I can determine if it would be > worth pursuing appropriate action. You're funny. Kevin From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Nov 30 14:39:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79478 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2008 22:39:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2008 22:39:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.102.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2008 22:39:11 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n18.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:39:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:39:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 22:39:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:39:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013301c95335$dd33c760$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.102.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.244.136 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=XXNDAeyqLlRVLZWiDSqLb4puRo9wRv6Y-ilGeI7hd2sfaAg X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > To take your points in order- > If Alaska were in such deep do-do, then why does she have one of,=20 if not the highest favorable rating of any governor in the US (80%?) > I'll agree that the amount spent on her clothing was excessive, but=20 the MSM DID make it look like she was the one doing the spending, at=20 least initially. > The MSM tried to make Palin out to be a bad mom because of her=20 daughter's pregnancy- something they'd never do to the other side. > Lack of world knowlege- as in that bogus country vs. continent of=20 Africa? >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 Scott, I respect your appreciation of Palin. I am for one glad she was=20 picked as she insured an Obama win. What I don't agree with is the notion that she is/was ready to take=20 over on day one in case something terrible happened to McCain. Yes, she was a great soceer mom, etc and was, as I have heard some=20 Repubs say.."One of us", but I just didn not feel comfortable with=20 her being Commander in Chief. I am sure you will say the same things=20 about Obama. And for those that want to bring Palin back, and think the only=20 problem for the Republicans was the media bias ruined McCain's=20 chances and that the Republicans need to be "more conservative"...I=20 say..YOU ARE RIGHT. Please keep turning more to the right, blame the=20 Media for all your woes and please BRING BACK PALIN !=20 From dav259@optusnet.com.au Sun Nov 30 17:10:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77754 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 01:10:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 01:10:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.190) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 01:10:37 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-66-54.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.66.54]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB11AT0g024375 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:10:35 +1100 To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:10:27 +1100 Message-ID: <22D60B9E19424901A888320F02A89BFC@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclS6P5a0rHX1876SSqOrLzSmSqojQAYnirw X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Hello From Aust. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=b6pK_HHhKHN4znuUZo0qkyKIqXz-yKAt9IKsvABwtltL X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 G'day Dave from Melbourne > From: Dave Carr > This is my first post on this site. What took you so long?? I joined the AMS lists in 2000 when arguably Melbourne was the AM stereo capital of the southern hemisphere. We had five wonderful AM stereo stations. Earlier of course we had several more. I enjoyed AM stereo for over 20 years since its inception in 1985. Though it seemed to be radios best kept secret. In those days we tried really hard to promote AM stereo and keep it alive. Many of us sent messages of praise to good AMS stations (in my case to several US stations I'd never heard), and messages of complaint when they dropped the c-quam signal. We even formed an International Alliance for the Advancement of AM Stereo and tried to publicise it wherever we lived. But this list (and other AMS lists) contain many opinionated people (me included) and often egos got in the way. In a way AMS in Oz was always doomed because of the bungled way the FCC introduced it in America, in not mandating one system. There seemed to be a lack of confidence from the incumbent radio stations from the start. The ABA did the correct thing in mandating c-quam, but it also should have mandated that any receiver capable of FMS must also have AMS. AMS receivers were far too hard to purchase. All but three of my many AMS receivers were bought from the US or Japan. The average punter shouldn't have to go through this. > In Australia we are about to go over to digital radio as > of May 2009 & all capital city AM & FM stations will start > transmitting in digital using VHF highband one or two > frequincies. Praise the Lord! But I fear the same processes are in action. Hardly anyone knows about DAB+, and thanks to the CRA (commercial stations) it's introduction has already been put back four months. I can remember people in high places talking about the intro of digital radio being "just around the corner" in 1990. It should have been done at the same time as digital TV. But, let's face it - there's no votes in radio. At least I'll be happy again to hear a few decent radio stations (the AM ones) in hi-fi stereo. But it annoys me that this might be another big secret just like AMS was. > Within 10 years of the start of digital radio all AM & FM > stations will cease transmitting. I doubt this very much ... particularly when you consider that when digital TV was introduced they said all analog TV stations would be switched off this year. It's already spun out to 2012, and in reality could well be later. Nice to have you here Dave! Btw ... What follows is the text from a brochure we prepared in 2000. I used to leave a lot of them on the metro trains. It was a lot of fun in those days and we put up a good fight, but inevitably lost. cheers Ian Melbourne - - - - - - IAAAS International Alliance for the Advancement of AM Stereo Advancing AM Radio's AAA Sound AM Stereo Have you heard AM stereo lately? If not you don't know what you're missing! There are around 500 AM radio stations worldwide broadcasting in stereo - and they have never sounded better. Yet many people say they have never heard of AM stereo. AM stereo broadcasting commenced in the United States in 1982 - over 20 years after FM stereo was introduced. For six decades AM broadcasting had always been in mono. When FM stations started introducing stereo in 1961 listeners were able to experience stereo radio reception for the first time. As they gradually started purchasing FM stereo capable radios they liked the stereo advantage. As the years went by it appeared that AM radio was becoming the poor cousin of FM radio. It seemed that AM radio was doomed. AM stereo technology was being tested as far back as 1925. Testing in the late 1950s demonstrated that AM stereo broadcasting was a viable proposition and was ready to be launched. However the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) was worried about the struggling FM stations at the time and disallowed endorsing AM stereo broadcasting preferring to permit FM stations to introduce stereo first. Twenty years went by before the FCC was ready to approve the introduction of AM stereo. There were four competing systems - each hoping to be selected. In an unprecedented decision the FCC in its determination proclaimed that all four systems would be permitted. In a moment of madness they virtually said let the market decide which is the best system. Consequently radio stations commenced broadcasting in different AM systems. Some stations simply didn't bother at all. Listeners who picked up the AM stereo signal in their home state were just as likely not to be able to pick up the AM stereo signals when they travelled to other states. Purchasing a radio that picked up all AM stereo signals proved costly. Manufacturers were unsure of which system to economically install in their models of tuners, car radios, and walkmans. This situation virtually resulted in many listeners believing the myth that FM broadcasting automatically means stereo reception whilst AM broadcasting means mono reception. Nothing could be further from the truth! The FCC has a lot to answer for in its ludicrous initial decision on AM stereo broadcasting. When AM stereo was introduced in Australia in 1985 the Motorola C-quam system was mandated as the only system permitted because it simply was considered the best. Canada followed suit in 1988. The C-quam system is now the accepted world standard for AM stereo broadcasting. It took until 1992 for the FCC to realise the error of its ways finally mandating the C-quam system for all AM stereo broadcasting in the US. But a lot of damage to the industry had been done. AM stereo listeners commonly state that the sound experience is superior to that received from FM broadcasts as the stereo effects seem greater. Broadcasts actually sound brighter and crisper because there is no cut-off filter as used in FM transmissions. It really does have a wider and more precise sound. Another advantage of AM stereo is that it has wider high-frequency stereo separation than FM Stereo. AM Stereo separation actually increases as frequency increases. This follows the response of the human ear. AMS doesn't suffer from the multipath problems that FM stereo signals do in mountainous areas or large metropolitan areas. And its signal reach is much greater than the coverage area reached by FM transmissions. The trend for AM stations turning off their stereo transmitters has finally been reversed. As stations replace and upgrade their equipment more C-quam stations are becoming available each month. If any AM station in your area is not broadcasting in stereo why not contact the engineering section and ask them why? For more information about AM stereo make sure to visit the www.amstereoradio.com site. Here you'll find a vast array of all you need to know about AMS. Included are pictures and descriptions of AM stereo capable radios plus a current listing of all stations broadcasting in AMS. This site won the 1999 "Interesting Site Award". In Melbourne all of the city's major commercial AM radio sations currently broadcast in AM stereo. These stations are: Magic 693 Sport 927 (3UZ) 3AK (1116) 3AW (1278) and 3MP (1377) Note: 3AK is currently similcating on 1503 Khz until 31 March 2001. AM stereo brings a new dimension to your radio listening! From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Nov 30 17:17:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92316 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 01:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 01:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 01:17:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32812 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 01:17:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sDaMvakVM1nZRxpjFORp8u448C9GvDWgXe8U8u._1NdrxvBK0jkQsMK.QtDb899c325kSnaP0p2DUBMjq4WLGz4cGoRCGKH_z5RxSzyxQCyTd0cvTQLD6kW.eHUKI2czxDERsCNMYBr4q32QYQ5AAPOVBk1g6rW_a.IdOk2ykiycskU- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:17:32 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 01:17:32 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081129.143028.13142.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <364408.32611.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=kBtBPYkRdtBOB61oXEI9XPaqa4r-UdbBkwNgOhwa1r_w7JcKmmWp X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well ill tell you then.=A0 Yes I've watched it and yes it's true.=A0 It sho= uld be called the republican indoctrination and brain washing network. =A0 --- On Sat, 11/29/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 5:30 PM We hear these claims over and over but never anything to back up the charge= s. I have a friend who says the very same things but freely admits he has n= ever watched the channel. Strange. Don -- kevin redding wrote: Their motto should be "Fear and UNbalanced. We report and decide.=20 FAUX Nooze." Kevin On Nov 29, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Dick W wrote: > I have found that that Fox News is always right -- far right!=20 > Their mission is to preach to the faithful. > Dick W > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevin redding > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY > > > > On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:14 PM, wrote: > >> If a lie is repeated often enough, eventually it becomes the truth. > > FAUX Nooze is well known for doing this incessantly. > > Kevin > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 19:02:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49768 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 03:02:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 03:02:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 03:02:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 03:02:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 03:02:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:02:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.223 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Hello From Aust. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=wyMCZZFDuaioeBGwtB5NZdrjYSmSQ_qQsOytGC4A3Q7ddwY95w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "carrdave_1963"=20 wrote: > > This is my first post on this site. >=20 > Hello I am new to this site & I have had been a fan of the old=20 CQUAM > since the introduction of AM Stereo in the mid 80's when I built a > decoder based on the MC13020 chip & wired it to a valve AM radio=20 tuner > & was using it to receive stations from Sydney during the day from=20 my > old location in Dubbo in central NSW. >=20 > These days I use an Redsun RP2100 through an 455 to 12kHz converter > feeding my computer via the soundcard & using an SDR program called > SoDiRa which supports AM stereo decoding. >=20 > The only station that is now transmitting a stereo pilot tone in my > part of the world is 4BC in Brisbane. >=20 > I can also decode DRM transmission using an program called Dream &=20 I > have decoded the transmissions from RNZI using it. >=20 > In Australia we are about to go over to digital radio as of May=20 2009 & > all capital city AM & FM stations will start transmitting in=20 digital > using VHF highband one or two frequincies. >=20 > Within 10 years of the start of digital radio all AM & FM stations > will cease transmitting. >=20 > Kind regards. >=20 > Dave Carr. > Hi Dave!!! Greetings from CHile (in the south part of the world, too!!!) Dave, Why all the today AM/FM stations will cease transmitting in=20 2019, in your country? What is the idea? What will your authorities=20 do with the LW, MW, SW and VHF bands? I don't understand the idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 19:06:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53738 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 03:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 03:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 03:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 03:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.88] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 03:06:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:06:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3545E93D-1742-41DE-9B44-43D4B75253C3@yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.223 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Vqr7cihpTBpMZexUbj02BteraCl11_IjesoOzrL80PHpstl-gQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > > Can we talk about radio again? >=20 > Yes, but you have to bring something up to talk about . >=20 > Kevin > And I repeat my old unanswered question: WHERE CAN I FIND VERY WIDE=20 AM IF FILTERS (450 and/or 455 KHZ) TO REPLACE THE STANDARD VERY=20 NARROW FILTERS WE HAVE IN THE STANDARD TODAY AM RECEIVERS? Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 19:17:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89348 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 03:17:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 03:17:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 03:17:58 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 03:17:58 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.65] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 03:17:58 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 03:17:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 568744.69284.bm@omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 97097 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 03:17:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 03:17:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: W92NiagVM1leNtgGQXWF.VG2PXEVwiBqi6vV5A3rBWRwRK7HOsIqP416ZGm6n3m5md.pRl72_v5tRSr1NRkweWl0lSowSx8v6MFWvow0JHUwfGN8nig_yactY7cNpx_sp5xcZQkV05Hf4PkBWZcy2vWlurgzM6AeqPD2svm4CkSyHp2Zbvncqj8kQQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:17:56 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=1FU0yRMoUwtVzCJsiEECLhNy3vG8bVM8rV9ACvJc9rbnyqppzw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > And I repeat my old unanswered question: WHERE CAN I FIND VERY WIDE > AM IF FILTERS (450 and/or 455 KHZ) TO REPLACE THE STANDARD VERY > NARROW FILTERS WE HAVE IN THE STANDARD TODAY AM RECEIVERS? Juan, Its your lucky day. Try this to see if they have what you want. http://www.kiwa.com/kiwa455.html Kevin From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 19:26:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77683 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 03:26:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 03:26:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 03:26:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 03:26:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 03:26:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:26:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.223 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A new IBOC meaning X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=xRZw7GZLbZSCJhG3VcLADhUM3BtYxLjdj7bZSoj16eLi8-Si1g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Everybody knows IBOC stands for "In Band On Channel". I propose a new meaning: "Inoperative Broadcasting On (the) Country". Just a bad joke. Really, I guess IBOC will work (some day) in the VHF FM band, not in=20 the LW, MW and SW bands due to: 1) Not enough room (very narrow channel spacing). 2) Selective fading (phase propagation characteristics). 3) Too much high power requirement to reach the same coverage area=20 than analog. LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Nov 30 20:00:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25854 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 04:00:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 04:00:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.157) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 04:00:34 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so913517yxf.50 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:00:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.108.2 with SMTP id g2mr5465025anc.94.1228104033607; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:00:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.88.48.187.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.88.48.187.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.88.48.187]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d22sm6213376and.40.2008.11.30.20.00.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:00:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1C8D23E3-0EF2-4DFB-B578-6F9657E6794D@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:00:23 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=sxeUrwd1camOJbFPcl4-_s_o4Pu3NkBy0paUePR6E1oGUN-HeVigUwQUXUAvAg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Nov 30, 2008, at 10:17 PM, kevin redding wrote: > Try this to see if they have what you want. > > http://www.kiwa.com/kiwa455.html Yes, Kiwa is GOOD STUFF! I have a couple of their filters in my Ten- Tec Delta 580. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 20:07:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58809 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 04:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 04:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 04:07:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80776 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 04:07:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AaPKqc0VM1nCdr5v0CwHq3T6EuvAZ4zhvQB6txvOdYaeXGk3UUf7QozXVy50tgrYukhy3X8ho8jbiodSAYh6CaC.vBBTgVfZkPRgG0Kn9YSVDrCXkyMj0xWh84bYqwU3x7nx1EU00Ha0coHlrEjpWqDT0Tgi.4YN9CobmRzraScUoAstBsziBuO5d7k- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:07:55 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:07:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <444070.80642.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: # of A.M.S. stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=LaNgMTQjzdsn79KEZLEhmMoDT5dbIeKBMycQXuccYmgduonXINPc X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The last time I counted there were ~100 (incl. V.I. & P.R..). 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sun, 11/30/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 5:11 PM =20=20=20=20 > Let's try flannel. [Inside joke] Out of curiosity, how many AM stations are in C-QUAM stereo in the USA? I know there is stereo in the USA on AM but its IBOC digital. Kevin =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Dec 01 07:34:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39612 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 15:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 15:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 15:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVJA9VAEHGTHA for (sender ); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 07:34:11 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxr77JpeKF8pFDGXmYvRHWU= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3B9ZLTM; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:33:50 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:33:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:33:49 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081201.073349.3442.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 25:12:2886887261 X-MAIL-INFO:063de1a1e1a1b0b5b0a450b0f950d5e92d454d35a935d1390c4db48df4118954c535b53d1d09643509f9a439a43d5009ddd134a58470a4d034e441e9d961d96104f0040c21042d211134cd51c9a005a000749dc90129a91959e0b4a0f0e94915c1a0152d0c740ce921150d0030259599a534a5d484d5d4849434845525303145b5b9f9f5890970fd541db01970f909dd90d0b0d014f49d2030b0f9f47d55d455d0cdf49d65c96469849d55cdada0c1e55519a00110c0e0bde5bdb490e9d9b1c56dad29750c25e925f00d75b111a981502135114db1b10c89c1894d4d51b04db4e13d959109f9b0f96531a124 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=C7Cq0wVTWlTnlPv7nwISvzdZ2OjfvqpbFwjcXG7ESQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn More opinion but no facts! -- clemsonbloke wrote: Well ill tell you then.=A0 Yes I've watched it and yes it's true.=A0 It sho= uld be called the republican indoctrination and brain washing network. =A0 --- On Sat, 11/29/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 5:30 PM We hear these claims over and over but never anything to back up the charge= s. I have a friend who says the very same things but freely admits he has n= ever watched the channel. Strange. Don -- kevin redding wrote: Their motto should be "Fear and UNbalanced. We report and decide.=20 FAUX Nooze." Kevin On Nov 29, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Dick W wrote: > I have found that that Fox News is always right -- far right!=20 > Their mission is to preach to the faithful. > Dick W > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevin redding > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY > > > > On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:14 PM, wrote: > >> If a lie is repeated often enough, eventually it becomes the truth. > > FAUX Nooze is well known for doing this incessantly. > > Kevin > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Dec 01 08:54:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34467 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 16:54:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 16:54:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 16:54:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 16:54:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.200] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 16:54:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:53:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.240.134.22 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: A new IBOC meaning X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=gipGI6n_n4j2-OMlTrDHtsKtFnRpYg2Ff6-6nqhPZokz8fxDCUg- X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Not to mention a 9-year old could build a better medium wave tuner=20 than most companies crank out of their factories these days...=20 whether mono or stereo. Get a handfull of 9-year olds interested in=20 out doing a corporation.. each one of us... and we all know how 9- year olds love to brag and tell everyone what they've just done. Grins... baby steps... baby steps --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Everybody knows IBOC stands for "In Band On Channel". >=20 > I propose a new meaning: "Inoperative Broadcasting On (the)=20 Country". >=20 > Just a bad joke. >=20 > Really, I guess IBOC will work (some day) in the VHF FM band, not=20 in=20 > the LW, MW and SW bands due to: > 1) Not enough room (very narrow channel spacing). > 2) Selective fading (phase propagation characteristics). > 3) Too much high power requirement to reach the same coverage area=20 > than analog. >=20 > LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM!!!!!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Dec 01 09:25:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86136 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 17:25:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 17:25:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s34.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.173) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 17:25:04 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W35 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s34.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:25:04 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:25:03 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2008 17:25:04.0040 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF5E3280:01C953D9] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: re: Faux nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=l9ogL-DA7MOpq0XPvlZ72ibzqbU2bIwJJwo1es0eLLTXYUUYaS-JqDiGi_4 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "More opinion, but no facts" If someone is trying to sum up Faux snooze by the above quote; I would say you're being a little harsh. Faux snooze does manage to have a few factoids strewn amongst the spin to help give the appearance of being a legitimate news organization. Donn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Dec 01 10:06:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97959 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 18:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 18:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 18:05:57 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 8so505696qwh.65 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:05:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.80.16 with SMTP id d16mr10094313qab.78.1228154756617; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:05:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.38.226.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.38.226.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.38.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm5126904yxd.2.2008.12.01.10.05.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:05:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <72A8CF48-88EE-4CC9-B756-D5BBB280E3EB@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:05:38 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A new IBOC meaning X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=muYvZP5fpN-wFF3epZ6fRw8LlXw2XA-l6LD-z6ULE1YgV_Ssq_KpIuE1SnFnMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Bob Welch wrote: > Not to mention a 9-year old could build a better medium wave tuner > than most companies crank out of their factories these days... Get a gang of Boy Scouts together with a GOOD "Elmer", and you are right! I know several Boy Scouts that home-brew their own QRP rigs, and a couple that home brewed legal limit stuff! Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 11:32:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30166 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 19:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 19:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.104) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 19:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 19:32:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 19:32:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:32:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.74.11.5 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=nbiu05YNVCYI2EjAsz7twzUGN-x8SrZrzRGrX-De8X0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail? name=3DLTM455DU-ND --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > > Can we talk about radio again? > >=20 > > Yes, but you have to bring something up to talk about . > >=20 > > Kevin > > >=20 > And I repeat my old unanswered question: WHERE CAN I FIND VERY WIDE=20 > AM IF FILTERS (450 and/or 455 KHZ) TO REPLACE THE STANDARD VERY=20 > NARROW FILTERS WE HAVE IN THE STANDARD TODAY AM RECEIVERS? >=20 > Thanks a lot for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 14:44:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31644 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 22:44:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 22:44:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 22:44:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62180 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 22:44:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jNc3U5cVM1nWF.EoUqJAku.v5f2NGDHP0VEoH3S_4YOnq6yKlQyR2QIo6XKSnDmAD6SZyydaX5uiTQt.0KJfI.iT3eXsKxzBleZptBAJIwAIynGSaKuo0WL3DcfvcAE.Yofgt6joXuGcPf4Mqn9pINPLEzaQP8jgLzJ_ttvdM1hmikICl__ClYNgGKb. X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:44:36 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:44:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <147282.62137.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Pa_MVQEod5W6zem0fwTNwk6_jaqa8JbXQ6mTK7Y8aPVEVA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 GOP = Greedy Obnoxious Plutocrats (bet y'all didn't think a dumb working-class hillbilly like me could even spell them words, hah-hah!) G --- On Sun, 11/30/08, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > Subject: RE: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing > To: "AM Stereo" > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 9:50 AM > I have to agree that the Republican administration > hasn't covered itself with glory. They became the > majority party and seemed to forget their principles. > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: > big_h00pla@yahoo.comDate: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:51:30 > -0600Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing > > > > On Nov 29, 2008, at 2:15 PM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON > - CEO wrote:> No different. And, by the way, just in case > you have forgotten, > the rich are the ones whom provide > jobs for the likes of you and me.In case you forget, the > rich ones need us for our labor so they can make money. Even > the bible says the laborer is worthy of his hire.The rich > need to pay workers well or we get an economic situation > like the one we had. Even Henry Ford understood that.I > believe that its supposed to be a symbiotic relationship. We > don't have that today. The rich and the Republicans for > the first 6 years of the ruinous Bush administration forgot > this. Now the nation is on the verge of collapse into > depression.Kevin > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 14:48:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41084 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 22:48:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 22:48:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 22:48:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3350 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 22:48:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 13DM64AVM1lp_db0rfsQWW1k0QseQFEmF.ltht8GjGQupwE7IOTYtPP.IU8jjQXur6vDb8Vbj_Yzh7sqgZZAOPr2CUjvZMichFdGhMYA3IDEFfQRicwBPppoI_eTw96j4ZHJN4.ZRRE2de1kcFTf1sW_eHmdUT5lTiln.QPviZVJqNx8xu0Fc8mVz0rD X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:48:45 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:48:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <389359.2700.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=sLUlCdtNhOr1z2OOXVipQEGksGXvodMMYt4YfKbO0A7SkA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 THAT says a lot, doesn't it? (McCain perfect? Yeah, and I'm the next pope!) --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Dick W wrote: > From: Dick W > Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:56 AM > An example: During the campaigns, Fox carried expose after > expose about Barack Obama and all his alleged nefarious > activities and associations, but I never heard any exposes > from Fox regarding the McCain or Palin campaign. I guess it > was just because Fox's candidates were without faults or > shortcomings! > Dick W > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: W6YN Don Milbury > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:35 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze > > > Thanks for making my point: "We hear these claims > over and over but never anything to back up the > charges." > > Don > > -- kevin redding wrote: > I watch the channel but only to hear real lies and > stupidity. > > Kevin > > On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:30 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > We hear these claims over and over but never > anything to back up > > the charges. I have a friend who says the very same > things but > > freely admits he has never watched the channel. > Strange. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 14:49:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41749 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 22:49:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 22:49:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.51) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 22:49:31 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 22:49:30 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.67] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 22:49:30 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2008 22:49:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 945749.4723.bm@omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 18432 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 22:49:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 22:49:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: q0_fXwwVM1mYx5ZVC35ymyZPg7ya9wZXGb5csIloUfD5GmnWvwmNMudyXrlNY15y_58kk8WmxYwYXvmzheDDBoi3mvbCYLXQCEGMRS9fqLKS9x3.1Mk2HcUhT3bDSKIv37GhzRgjhvQq8QymKe7s5p_WclnAEO01KT.G4g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <147282.62137.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <147282.62137.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:49:29 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=2TbKODi9uD5NPEvbaEElZY73X5jCxRpZ8FHd-8q4ZWjYuxd1qA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:44 PM, george russell wrote: > GOP =3D Greedy Obnoxious Plutocrats (bet y'all didn't think a dumb > working-class hillbilly like me could even spell them words, hah-=20 > hah!) G > I say the Repuplikans are true leaders of the American kakistocracy=20=20 for the last eight years. Kevin kakistocracy (k=C4=83k'=C4=AD-st=C5=8Fk'r=C9=99-s=C4=93, k=C3=A4'k=C4=AD-) Home > Library > Literature & Language > Dictionary n., pl. -cies. Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. [Greek kakistos, worst, superlative of kakos, bad; see caco=E2=80=93 + =E2= =80=93=20 CRACY.] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 14:53:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99383 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 22:53:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 22:53:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 22:53:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2242 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 22:53:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tO0cgrkVM1ndYSUki1jkG4M7rXwJmpy_PcZBZOXg.ttJym9ot.SrPIrPbQ_HWr2dWw45FVqztqpV0ZILNs3_LSk_PsP60p07cm2HAVJA4MkkwiCJfm3NAO_EAK_kifI8xoFyBLs1s2WG4yfHwenPTw3xD7EVmchFyK_BOl4K2PzGCZOHFu4F35UxMtsP X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:53:55 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:53:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <415821.1461.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=rb0E_N6L1vY_BkVgP0ZWJi6Zue1l8ehfs5vumsWrVOF1Cw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Good Lord, I couldn't even finish watching it, my teeth were so clenched! Sadly, many people will believe this crap as gospel truth...then wonder why anybody questions their intelligence! G --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Juan Gualda wrote: > From: Juan Gualda > Subject: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:46 PM > If anybody really, and I mean really believes, all kidding > aside, > That Fox News is fair and balanced, I am truly > dissapointed. > > This is a good example of being Fair and Balanced: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN823dUu6KA > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don > Milbury" > wrote: > > > > Thanks for making my point: "We hear these > claims over and over > but never anything to back up the charges." > > > > Don > > > > -- kevin redding wrote: > > I watch the channel but only to hear real lies and > stupidity. > > > > Kevin > > > > On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:30 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > > > We hear these claims over and over but never > anything to back up > > > the charges. I have a friend who says the very > same things but > > > freely admits he has never watched the channel. > Strange. > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 14:56:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20682 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 22:56:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 22:56:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 22:56:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97697 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 22:56:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dfFu88QVM1kWB3lFz2YUufD0ZhvSX8HQaUtuz6MIxxPcR9K.sgJm6bthxIJmpOtQurV7dObqI7aCNJbKk4uvEoQvESSxRAQKeCWUxU6bkXyFvm6aXPjJgiW1766sk1z.5jGAi8.bPXHft_T95GI7dQNWmpC9D.ZOH3w9CS8HmfpJdnE7SBKNfvME7.yv X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:55:59 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:55:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081130.130927.9906.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <119978.97611.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=eVrE9j4tCsMw7LOhIp8Kov8w5uDPb_GKg7x51-jtYtRALQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You're absolutely right, but from where do we GET all the facts? Certainly not any news outlet I've ever found... G --- On Sun, 11/30/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:09 PM > Gee. This video clip talks about A Rasmussen poll that shows > Fox News as the least biased of all of the TV news > sources.(MSNBC is the most biased.) A Pew poll also agrees > with that same issue. > > There is news and there is commentary. One must not confuse > the two. > Both are protected by the First Amendment. Once you have > ALL of the fact - Then you can make an informed decision. > > Thanks, > > Don > > -- "Juan Gualda" > wrote: > If anybody really, and I mean really believes, all kidding > aside, > That Fox News is fair and balanced, I am truly > dissapointed. > > This is a good example of being Fair and Balanced: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN823dUu6KA > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don > Milbury" > wrote: > > > > Thanks for making my point: "We hear these > claims over and over > but never anything to back up the charges." > > > > Don > > > > -- kevin redding wrote: > > I watch the channel but only to hear real lies and > stupidity. > > > > Kevin > > > > On Nov 29, 2008, at 10:30 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > > > We hear these claims over and over but never > anything to back up > > > the charges. I have a friend who says the very > same things but > > > freely admits he has never watched the channel. > Strange. > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 15:01:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71999 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 23:01:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 23:01:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 23:01:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7960 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 23:01:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JsfVTvkVM1kz2HwLOERxnXbx3UMtm_9g0qeGgHI0KK.7W.iju0ewvtY7hzp0LMLXeE5qg3jz1hLyDAHi2vgYhy6j8TXv6jvlH0biVHiO6N1y05vfX0i1TAWSUO4J0OjLefO9sgjibrJAzQTBFbTeT6qg.CexTarvWpfmCAZQ4YUZUhks8GCQA076Urnq X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:01:38 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:01:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <119253.7586.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=PmNmCdIVUEeoTeCxW9dkqoGqsojhGVWi9RgcjYYLrmFWEw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Quayle? Hmm. so is it potato or potatoe? --- On Sun, 11/30/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 5:07 PM > On Nov 30, 2008, at 3:49 PM, > wrote: > > > If Alaska were in such deep do-do, then why does she > have one of, > > if not the highest favorable rating of any governor in > the US (80%?) > > Because she has a tax on oil that the rest of the nation > has to pay > Alaska and its so much money coming in from raping the > other 49 > states that Alaska has a no tax rate and people get the > surplus. > Since she can rape us for taxes to pay for Alaska, the > citizens love > her because screwing the other 49 gets them off the hook. > If you are > Alaskan, what's not to love? If you are from the other > 49 states, > what's there to like? > > > The MSM tried to make Palin out to be a bad mom > because of her > > daughter's pregnancy- something they'd never > do to the other side. > > No matter who it was, Palin or Obama, if it was Obama they > would have > done the same and on top of it would said that the child > was pregnant > and that all blacks are like that. Palin got her lumps for > it. Anyone > else would have taken the same ass kicking on this one > because its > just the kind of lurid crap the press loves. Nothing of > substance, > just worthless crap is what the press likes to report. > > My only problem with Palin was that to me, she came across > as very > ignorant on things. It was painfully obvious why McCain > would not let > her speak to the press for so long before letting her out > to speak on > her own. She really did look terribly bad when she spoke in > her > speeches not just the interviews. She looked terrible in > the debate > also in my opinion. You betcha! Wink, wink! > > It is my belief that if McCain picked Romney who understood > economic > issues better than Palin, Huckabee or any other Republican > mentioned > for the VP spot, the Republicans had a much better chance > to win the > election. McCain picked Palin who came across as stupid > whether or > not she was and it killed him. To me Palin is even less > intelligent > than Dan Quayle was. > > Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Mon Dec 01 15:04:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76702 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 23:04:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 23:04:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 23:04:43 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVJ5MAABSHSUS for (sender ); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:04:00 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxHs5gxLkXtDNATkRAtSSGM= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3C3QPG4; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:03:21 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:02:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:02:37 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081201.150237.936.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:2360505338 X-MAIL-INFO:40e5d565d56565fc082d21082dbd29388cac0d2955096c6c55f1e849e8ec6c39791c7da1ec X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=lgGsQwgqAwC-4NXvu6OxAAD4cZU-GvmjZPtOf_Rg6A X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Gee. This video clip talks about A Rasmussen poll that shows Fox News as th= e least biased of all of the TV news sources.(MSNBC is the most biased.) A = Pew poll also agrees with that same issue. I guess that played as you were gnashing your teeth and missed it. There is news and there is commentary. One must not confuse the two. Both are protected by the First Amendment. Once you have ALL of the fact - = Then you can make an informed decision.=20 Thanks, Don=20=20 -- george russell wrote: Good Lord, I couldn't even finish watching it, my teeth were so clenched! Sadly, many people will believe this crap as gospel truth...then wonder why= anybody questions their intelligence! G --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Juan Gualda wrote: > From: Juan Gualda > Subject: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:46 PM > If anybody really, and I mean really believes, all kidding > aside,=20 > That Fox News is fair and balanced, I am truly > dissapointed. >=20 > This is a good example of being Fair and Balanced: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdN823dUu6KA From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 15:07:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41532 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 23:07:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 23:07:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 23:07:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80297 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 23:07:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YKrcVaUVM1m34zfVeb3WZhVjiwSNyi.40vUXUsK8F_Wfz_ICvDRUlL3JGeB4z7QwZ8A_SKGPLlzJdTqAqGqlUqnIsCG0EFoE2VwSozAKXd4ZPBpaeXFP6ik2YswSoajE1ozvx5UMvsLUu0WLHO3mpUwRjY6_5mmtbPqnXFCAAQ5D1xLzzKryjemJnWAL X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:07:28 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:07:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <218933.80093.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: Faux nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=HTkjj5vvixkEN7px4rM1nUsfIXD2Q8KVnM6ecTP3oWLu4g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Now where have I seen THAT principle used before? Oh yes, RUSH! --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Donn Tillman wrote: > From: Donn Tillman > Subject: {AMSF} re: Faux nooze > To: "am stereo" > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 12:25 PM > "More opinion, but no facts" > > If someone is trying to sum up Faux snooze by the above > quote; I would say you're being a little harsh. > > Faux snooze does manage to have a few factoids strewn > amongst the spin to help give the appearance of being a > legitimate news organization. > > Donn > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 15:10:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84730 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 23:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 23:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 23:09:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18776 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 23:09:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MUrIBb4VM1kvF_c177NJf3dqCJmWltdAwFfY4aTeoxqzLWebF0Sdp69K2r9Loo4mEquUr5tXOvaPS6FS.oJzq5UPuc8AL55oFkoiZBQxNcjpRnXQCNYcyqU1KlWFJfl9nNruAgl0GVjYAA47x9T9s_Q7k2HaozwpI6El5qhCf.XgPwl.0zo0ycHOZfe_ X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:09:55 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:09:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <586229.14544.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=bdZk9C8lOcuEH-4GgCrH9FPGDXnocmDg8gqmkYCSjLFosg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 AMEN! --- On Mon, 12/1/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 5:49 PM > On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:44 PM, george russell wrote: > > GOP =3D Greedy Obnoxious Plutocrats (bet y'all > didn't think a dumb > > working-class hillbilly like me could even spell them > words, hah-=20 > > hah!) G > > >=20 >=20 > I say the Repuplikans are true leaders of the American > kakistocracy=20=20 > for the last eight years. >=20 > Kevin >=20 > kakistocracy (k=C4=83k'=C4=AD-st=C5=8Fk'r=C9=99-s=C4=93, k=C3=A4'k=C4=AD= -) >=20 > Home > Library > Literature & Language > > Dictionary >=20 > n., pl. -cies. > Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled > citizens. > [Greek kakistos, worst, superlative of kakos, bad; see > caco=E2=80=93 + =E2=80=93=20 > CRACY.] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 15:13:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34737 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 23:13:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 23:13:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 23:13:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83369 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 23:13:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YVUOatAVM1kdNd4.676uYmvVuM9B9psv24RgSt79KaV5FlXhP4HN_AJfT8BwtgUwnmDlLgZkDQcD_jthybPnhE2_F1i5XDvPHzfvyLuse9x0SGZnkh4kuFuqQKe42jVJGRqDrTMIswoIeqlWmK21HiiuVRYThvSB74HT2odAM6XoZwE17d8P30dKLHmK X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:13:17 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:13:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081201.150237.936.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <311299.82983.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=AsJl_NfRDKuAu-0LQDyACJyTSPkvBelxLEY-MgTssjV9AQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You are right, Don, I didn't watch all of it. HOWEVER, news and commentary are only protected by the 1st when one has the financial clout to insure it! There-in lies the true evil of the entire money=power concept that we have been saddled with for too damn long. G --- On Mon, 12/1/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:02 PM > Gee. This video clip talks about A Rasmussen poll that shows > Fox News as the least biased of all of the TV news > sources.(MSNBC is the most biased.) A Pew poll also agrees > with that same issue. > > I guess that played as you were gnashing your teeth and > missed it. > > There is news and there is commentary. One must not confuse > the two. > Both are protected by the First Amendment. Once you have > ALL of the fact - Then you can make an informed decision. > > Thanks, > > Don > > -- george russell wrote: > > Good Lord, I couldn't even finish watching it, my teeth > were so clenched! > Sadly, many people will believe this crap as gospel > truth...then wonder why anybody questions their > intelligence! G > > > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Juan Gualda > wrote: > > > From: Juan Gualda > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:46 PM > > If anybody really, and I mean really believes, all > kidding > > aside, > > That Fox News is fair and balanced, I am truly > > dissapointed. > > > > This is a good example of being Fair and Balanced: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN823dUu6KA From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 15:16:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31223 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 23:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 23:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 23:16:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85859 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 23:16:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DDBQVz4VM1nUeqN0aRtTrd2aQifV091QhIvXUtGKAe.UYPRDxIGSMnlgN.SGwzqtdkqmEsO.QgwJxO.5d23L0nmGyjAQAeiF7n.EqzqpKkGzkbdbMLHNvci9tHM9pZ7t__Z7d87s6AW1PVHGpeejUhLq0vYoif_P2Y6T0dC9Jbel5SJPHF6iHvpAQHIU X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:16:42 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:16:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081201.150237.936.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <323997.85119.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=S0cagCKn-nctUikqE7vVh79XcIASTc6tW6ffvB3XJJdZBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Don, Kevin, keep it going! Now I don't miss Imus so much, he-he! Seriously, the people have spoken by electing Obama. Maybe enough folks who thought the right was right...until THEY got laid off or screwed over, have finally woke up and decided to make themselves heard. Anyway, soon enough the many of the cold-hearted callous cabrons in D.C. will be gone...thank God! --- On Mon, 12/1/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:02 PM > Gee. This video clip talks about A Rasmussen poll that shows > Fox News as the least biased of all of the TV news > sources.(MSNBC is the most biased.) A Pew poll also agrees > with that same issue. > > I guess that played as you were gnashing your teeth and > missed it. > > There is news and there is commentary. One must not confuse > the two. > Both are protected by the First Amendment. Once you have > ALL of the fact - Then you can make an informed decision. > > Thanks, > > Don > > -- george russell wrote: > > Good Lord, I couldn't even finish watching it, my teeth > were so clenched! > Sadly, many people will believe this crap as gospel > truth...then wonder why anybody questions their > intelligence! G > > > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Juan Gualda > wrote: > > > From: Juan Gualda > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:46 PM > > If anybody really, and I mean really believes, all > kidding > > aside, > > That Fox News is fair and balanced, I am truly > > dissapointed. > > > > This is a good example of being Fair and Balanced: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN823dUu6KA From w6yn@juno.com Mon Dec 01 15:23:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7291 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 23:23:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 23:23:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 23:23:07 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVJ6PLAJPCX92 for (sender ); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:22:18 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDzqHF+TsUbKex5B1CUKpwCg= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3C4SQMR; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:21:56 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:21:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:21:49 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081201.152149.936.2@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 25:12:2454309868 X-MAIL-INFO: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 4fcb8b1ea3ea036a271e5f8b8bf3ebd7eb5f5f2a675f6eb3fe57477b026702bb7a2f23 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=pbdNoTqm0eeHY2bPi5B03wr19MX1PgSuQlzM55bFkg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn In today's world it doesn't even take money, just a blog, as the NY Times r= eports here: Dan Mirvish, who with Eitan Gorlin created an elaborate Internet hoax c= omplete with a fake policy institute and a phony adviser to Senator John Mc= Cain. It was among the juicier post-election recriminations: Fox News Channel= quoted an unnamed McCain campaign figure as saying that Sarah Palin did no= t know that Africa was a continent. Who would say such a thing? On Monday the answer popped up on a blog an= d popped out of the mouth of David Shuster, an MSNBC anchor. "Turns out it = was Martin Eisenstadt, a McCain policy adviser, who has come forward today = to identify himself as the source of the leaks," Mr. Shuster said. Trouble is, Martin Eisenstadt doesn't exist. His blog does, but it's a = put-on. The think tank where he is a senior fellow =97 the Harding Institut= e for Freedom and Democracy =97 is just a Web site. The TV clips of him on = YouTube are fakes. http://www.nytimes.com/... =20=20 -- george russell wrote: You are right, Don, I didn't watch all of it. HOWEVER, news and commentary= are only protected by the 1st when one has the financial clout to insure i= t! There-in lies the true evil of the entire money=3Dpower concept that we= have been saddled with for too damn long. G --- On Mon, 12/1/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:02 PM > Gee. This video clip talks about A Rasmussen poll that shows > Fox News as the least biased of all of the TV news > sources.(MSNBC is the most biased.) A Pew poll also agrees > with that same issue. >=20 > I guess that played as you were gnashing your teeth and > missed it. >=20 > There is news and there is commentary. One must not confuse > the two. > Both are protected by the First Amendment. Once you have > ALL of the fact - Then you can make an informed decision.=20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Don=20=20 >=20 > -- george russell wrote: >=20 > Good Lord, I couldn't even finish watching it, my teeth > were so clenched! > Sadly, many people will believe this crap as gospel > truth...then wonder why anybody questions their > intelligence! G >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Juan Gualda > wrote: >=20 > > From: Juan Gualda > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:46 PM > > If anybody really, and I mean really believes, all > kidding > > aside,=20 > > That Fox News is fair and balanced, I am truly > > dissapointed. > >=20 > > This is a good example of being Fair and Balanced: > >=20 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdN823dUu6KA =20=20=20=20=20=20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 15:24:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61614 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 23:24:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 23:24:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 23:24:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37455 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2008 23:24:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yKRsA8UVM1mrMNGiuTMpV8DwgCBF3yeBOuqwz0uPF1qWXo5.xq2H_gVRk6w_OmeWJtmNMlCUDvkChmq6hFkHT2Byj55lL4VpLbRIHvZLh47whkZm.WQMDLD2LL5h7rDyqybnS599UmE8yItrvIfsQk881nVs1BX6X3qEgdsYFHjQn96V8EdvZY8KZq4G X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:24:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:24:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <501355.76438.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <646032.37262.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=7lOLMcj33AjzOjWd6kaoT_rTc7A2YODHns2NuRA3mkjboA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 XERF doesn't need protecting...all they have to do is go to full power! --- On Sun, 11/30/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 2:42 PM > I just wasn't sure if it (a new 1580-Shamrock) could get > 250W night.=A0 I'm not as familiar with that area & > what would restrict it on 1580 or nearby?=A0 Would the > limiting station(s) by XERF & what else?=A0 CBE?=A0 Again, > I'm not sure what on 1580 or adjacent to it would keep a > new 1580 at Shamrock from getting 250W night?=A0 I know the > minimum now is 250W D & N or, I believe, a theoretical > minimum of 282mv/m if less than 250W (except for Class C > stations which I think is 241mV/m). >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > P.S.: On radio-locator.com it looks like there aren't > many F.M. allocations out there either. >=20 > --- On Sat, 11/29/08, Powell E. Way III > wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, > O.T.: KBYP > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 10:07 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > New applications have to have 250 watts night > minimum. And the allocation was deleted years ago. It would > have to start as new. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 >=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Sat, 11/29/08, JNR > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > I'm glad a ham got the XMTR.! Now why can't > 1580 >=20 > > come back? I know it's a clear but am unsure >=20 > > what's clear on 1580 there, or is it too close to >=20 > > XERF/1570? What about a class C frequency? >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Jay >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From w6yn@juno.com Mon Dec 01 15:25:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16217 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 23:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 23:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 23:25:21 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVJ6TEAEBUYL2 for (sender ); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:24:20 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9i89+ZRS7ZTOup7yRbW+t8= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3C4WTU6; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:24:11 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:24:03 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:24:03 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081201.152403.936.3@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 24:12:80959379 X-MAIL-INFO: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 0733de9ade2a2a23c32a1a634ada73cbf3c3f37f3a6a93 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=s1ROUS5pBhvmpAdyDZS-TBEV4brGY40yLp8EBGCE8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn You're Welcome. -- george russell wrote: Don, Kevin, keep it going! Now I don't miss Imus so much, he-he! Seriously, the people have spoken by electing Obama. Maybe enough folks wh= o thought the right was right...until THEY got laid off or screwed over, ha= ve finally woke up and decided to make themselves heard. Anyway, soon enough the many of the cold-hearted callous cabrons in D.C. wi= ll be gone...thank God! --- On Mon, 12/1/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:02 PM > Gee. This video clip talks about A Rasmussen poll that shows > Fox News as the least biased of all of the TV news > sources.(MSNBC is the most biased.) A Pew poll also agrees > with that same issue. >=20 > I guess that played as you were gnashing your teeth and > missed it. >=20 > There is news and there is commentary. One must not confuse > the two. > Both are protected by the First Amendment. Once you have > ALL of the fact - Then you can make an informed decision.=20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Don=20=20 >=20 > -- george russell wrote: >=20 > Good Lord, I couldn't even finish watching it, my teeth > were so clenched! > Sadly, many people will believe this crap as gospel > truth...then wonder why anybody questions their > intelligence! G >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Juan Gualda > wrote: >=20 > > From: Juan Gualda > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:46 PM > > If anybody really, and I mean really believes, all > kidding > > aside,=20 > > That Fox News is fair and balanced, I am truly > > dissapointed. > >=20 > > This is a good example of being Fair and Balanced: > >=20 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdN823dUu6KA =20=20=20=20=20=20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From w6yn@juno.com Mon Dec 01 15:53:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44771 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2008 23:53:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2008 23:53:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2008 23:53:31 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVJ8GSAR54E6J for (sender ); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:52:48 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxaJNCzetpqnWylb2QghOZM= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3C6H4AN; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:52:11 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:51:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:51:09 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081201.155109.936.4@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 26:13:3555544356 X-MAIL-INFO: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 e4e551d0517070019470a9fd24c9b4a4d494d404b1541d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=2ZlKGiJrAuv-Oy9jm1qSKeadyaPcFnmLkpiUORydYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Study: Democrats the party of the rich Quote: Democrats like to define themselves as the party of poor and middle-income = Americans, but a new study says they now represent the majority of the nati= on's wealthiest congressional districts. In a state-by-state, district-by-district comparison of wealth concentratio= ns based on Internal Revenue Service income data, Michael Franc, vice presi= dent of government relations at the Heritage Foundation, found that the maj= ority of the nation's wealthiest congressional jurisdictions were represent= ed by Democrats. He also found that more than half of the wealthiest households were concent= rated in the 18 states where Democrats hold both Senate seats. "If you take the wealthiest one-third of the 435 congressional districts, w= e found that the Democrats represent about 58 percent of those jurisdiction= s," Mr. Franc said. A key measure of each district's wealth was the number of single-filer taxp= ayers earning more than $100,000 a year and married couples filing jointly = who earn more than $200,000 annually, he said. But in a broader measurement, the study also showed that of the 167 House d= istricts where the median annual income was higher than the national median= of $48,201, a slight majority, 84 districts, were represented by Democrats= . Median means that half of all income earners make more than that level an= d half make less. Mr. Franc's study also showed that contrary to the Democrats' tendency to d= efine Republicans as the party of the rich, "the vast majority of unabashed= conservative House members hail from profoundly middle-class districts."=20 -- george russell wrote: You are right, Don, I didn't watch all of it. HOWEVER, news and commentary= are only protected by the 1st when one has the financial clout to insure i= t! There-in lies the true evil of the entire money=3Dpower concept that we= have been saddled with for too damn long. G --- On Mon, 12/1/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:02 PM > Gee. This video clip talks about A Rasmussen poll that shows > Fox News as the least biased of all of the TV news > sources.(MSNBC is the most biased.) A Pew poll also agrees > with that same issue. >=20 > I guess that played as you were gnashing your teeth and > missed it. >=20 > There is news and there is commentary. One must not confuse > the two. > Both are protected by the First Amendment. Once you have > ALL of the fact - Then you can make an informed decision.=20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Don=20=20 >=20 > -- george russell wrote: >=20 > Good Lord, I couldn't even finish watching it, my teeth > were so clenched! > Sadly, many people will believe this crap as gospel > truth...then wonder why anybody questions their > intelligence! G >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Juan Gualda > wrote: >=20 > > From: Juan Gualda > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:46 PM > > If anybody really, and I mean really believes, all > kidding > > aside,=20 > > That Fox News is fair and balanced, I am truly > > dissapointed. > >=20 > > This is a good example of being Fair and Balanced: > >=20 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdN823dUu6KA =20=20=20=20=20=20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 16:05:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63329 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 00:05:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 00:05:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.145) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 00:05:49 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 00:05:49 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.242] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 00:05:49 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 00:05:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 43210.16498.bm@omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 90481 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 00:05:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 00:05:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vzhHwKIVM1l6zwx7zdhrHa4dvNV1bvKrVpEAxKV2FCgIYqxF1ByBCsTPmNbIsu0wjOpw5SXZDE5EcpF5xufnqY7Rrx09TTGDxMsEy5EQX6h5LqWwKqKNGnbzmij0WQHjhcGVH4fAl5W8fhWvnxeng0cgp8.0tu6H2kPKgQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081201.155109.936.4@webmail18.dca.untd.com> References: <20081201.155109.936.4@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:05:47 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=EuA6wWHIe-M1C5K9QzDoPkSU35NhQif1rLSeziRk4UNAwpGLfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla If you Republicans keep it up Don, the Democrats will represent EVERY district because the GOP is paleolithic and ossified mentally. I am so glad you all think the way you do because it sure helped the Democrats crush the crap out of the Republicans in 2006 and 2008. Conservatives and Republicans are irrelevant and hopefully you all will keep it up so the GOP can become like the whigs. Kevin On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:51 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Democrats like to define themselves as the party of poor and middle- > income Americans, but a new study says they now represent the > majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional districts. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 17:15:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30933 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 01:15:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 01:15:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.140) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 01:15:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 01:15:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 01:15:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:15:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.186 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6hd0U8vGb9O8XaajSSq4IvjCKe7cQUQrO3TVKcYGmlCuB4O7Bg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > > > And I repeat my old unanswered question: WHERE CAN I FIND VERY WIDE > > AM IF FILTERS (450 and/or 455 KHZ) TO REPLACE THE STANDARD VERY > > NARROW FILTERS WE HAVE IN THE STANDARD TODAY AM RECEIVERS? >=20 > Juan, >=20 > Its your lucky day. >=20 > Try this to see if they have what you want. >=20 > http://www.kiwa.com/kiwa455.html >=20 > Kevin > Hi Kevin!!! I typed your link but... nothing happened!!! Are you sure it is well written? An aditional question: I guess it is referenced to 455 KHZ IF Filters.=20 Is it the only one they make? Can a receiver works with a 455 KHZ=20 filter if the original was a 450 KHZ? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Dec 01 17:22:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59342 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 01:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 01:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 01:22:34 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.15] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081201192224001540600010.0) with SMTP id <20081201192224001540600010> for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:22:24 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00f301c9541c$cd415c40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <871700.74983.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:22:24 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=OL2UqyxB41U6H5WxAivVmRmzUcU5Yskq6PQReSTKn1EjLeRUCu3_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I report who is still in stereo whenever I hear one. Lately it's been KASM- 1150, Albany MN; KWLO- 1330, Waterloo IA; KKIN- 930, Aitkin MN. Will have to try to see if WAQE- 1090 in Rice Lake WI is still stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:11 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? > Let's try flannel. [Inside joke] Out of curiosity, how many AM stations are in C-QUAM stereo in the USA? I know there is stereo in the USA on AM but its IBOC digital. Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Dec 01 17:24:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15425 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 01:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 01:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 01:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.15] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081201192441002332500014.0) with SMTP id <20081201192441002332500014> for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:24:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <011301c9541d$1e58f160$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:24:41 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} A new IBOC meaning X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=2XOofPe-THtgtd9QBDwsrX0vQkkfXIFYb4K30r3KVHcFc17NcmEC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually this one is not true. You can get equivalent coverage for no more than 25% of the analog power. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 3) Too much high power requirement to reach the same coverage area than analog. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Dec 01 17:29:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43631 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 01:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 01:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 01:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.15] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081201192843001367900011.0) with SMTP id <20081201192843001367900011> for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:28:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <015701c9541d$aefbeba0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <147282.62137.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:28:43 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=9a2p3OW6BGbX4dKdLNFAV3AMPQ0tnWrS43MrOkwIHKJyZvZGGUEK X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm surprised nobody has commented on the promise Obama is going to reneg. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kevin redding=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:44 PM, george russell wrote: > GOP =3D Greedy Obnoxious Plutocrats (bet y'all didn't think a dumb > working-class hillbilly like me could even spell them words, hah-=20 > hah!) G > I say the Repuplikans are true leaders of the American kakistocracy=20 for the last eight years. Kevin kakistocracy (k=C4=83k'=C4=AD-st=C5=8Fk'r=C9=99-s=C4=93, k=C3=A4'k=C4=AD-= ) Home > Library > Literature & Language > Dictionary n., pl. -cies. Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. [Greek kakistos, worst, superlative of kakos, bad; see caco=E2=80=93 + = =E2=80=93=20 CRACY.] =20=20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Dec 01 17:32:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57526 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 01:32:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 01:32:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 01:32:20 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.15] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081201193156000508600013.0) with SMTP id <20081201193156000508600013> for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:31:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <017301c9541e$2237bcc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <119253.7586.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:31:56 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ujLc9QdL5EvoDuk7SBxBeKQkDFEHp28SzZpbl83vge0hzd-rYn5c X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually he knew the right answer but was too damn polite to contradict the idiot school teacher on the show with him that made the original error. God help the school kids. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Quayle? Hmm. so is it potato or potatoe? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Dec 01 17:36:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79546 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 01:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 01:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 01:36:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.15] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081201193646001661900015.0) with SMTP id <20081201193646001661900015> for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:36:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01a701c9541e$cef22ea0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:36:46 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ZNNqj5dNBHjkatHbzFBgYFrdygWn9-OY535zk_5k9tPKcVvXqWJV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you want broad bandwidth don't bother with ceramic filters and just use = LC filters instead. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > > > And I repeat my old unanswered question: WHERE CAN I FIND VERY WIDE > > AM IF FILTERS (450 and/or 455 KHZ) TO REPLACE THE STANDARD VERY > > NARROW FILTERS WE HAVE IN THE STANDARD TODAY AM RECEIVERS? >=20 > Juan, >=20 > Its your lucky day. >=20 > Try this to see if they have what you want. >=20 > http://www.kiwa.com/kiwa455.html >=20 > Kevin > Hi Kevin!!! I typed your link but... nothing happened!!! Are you sure it is well written? An aditional question: I guess it is referenced to 455 KHZ IF Filters.=20 Is it the only one they make? Can a receiver works with a 455 KHZ=20 filter if the original was a 450 KHZ? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 17:41:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74378 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 01:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 01:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.86.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 01:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n9.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 01:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 01:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 01:41:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 578746.34393.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 99738 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 01:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 01:41:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: POWmSsAVM1nhalx7xGvwGihHsohSF2fZJeUCknCO1SmfvnmCBhM3bnK4L5l0G0s0xSGxmrLPtS.x0PLM_.mxMarUjv0YKIqXHDyPOdnKsAlrwY48FfF.P13hFkkDNzZSEsjghV3Kky_5JrGwERbuL9YDL_rHAqds6GXgMd6.R5wndW_ZUbPSUYk9TQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <015701c9541d$aefbeba0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <147282.62137.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <015701c9541d$aefbeba0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <374CF4A1-919E-46BF-8A4C-EF7C6B186264@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:41:17 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.86.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT- Kevin was right about one thing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=gA1s79HD2A5laFdFjjH8iL1P4uSY2bGpr06gYdA72mgtvg7GBA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 1, 2008, at 7:28 PM, wrote: > I'm surprised nobody has commented on the promise Obama is going to > reneg. Bush screwed him and us so bad that if we can keep from having the nation slip into depression it will be a miracle. I am sure there a lot of things he and we want done that he can't do because of the massive fuck ups the GOP caused. The Republicans had the government 6 years and caused this mess. I am hoping the Democrats can keep us from going where the Republicans are leading us to. I know one thing, Bush and the GOP is really trying to loot the Treasury hard before they leave. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 17:42:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86377 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 01:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 01:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 01:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 01:42:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.247] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 01:42:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 01:42:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 937098.9940.bm@omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 88641 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 01:42:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 01:42:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: F4t7MZIVM1mSloTAXoKliEf1LZ23g02qU8sV_kM1SBx_GbXVZFymj_5HnetzlKm5FUwKkUiE4C4StnUnDFr86kKzuMPjCfaAKzT4s1rC3ARHLDn9fE3yG.vA8bjbW5NmlxscsJSUnXcgB3RBTKsMHB5Ck9c3una3FLvLF0FXh7AMjyW1RWqjahbUOw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <06F45F44-B5B9-4DC7-98C7-9E739ABF8414@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:42:27 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=CFxsR6UIhoIaB2HMetVKck4uINv7IqL7Q4LXLymkMIt9pVUiqw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla >> http://www.kiwa.com/kiwa455.html > > I typed your link but... nothing happened!!! Copy and paste it. It will work when the website comes back up. I tried and their site is down. Kiwa is good stuff. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 17:47:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6672 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 01:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 01:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 01:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 01:47:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.245] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 01:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 01:47:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 943958.18578.bm@omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 32329 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 01:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 01:47:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Gf.r_0oVM1m9d.uXeIEyujf_3p.UPrvMKFloteJnEpnxTejV1UZMC9YaurxdgwGXFT1y9e4QV6yUdNt1ldAuaDJtOVAacxuVt_xc3wJEqdBpA1v6sSXl.7LnAU52INzj3s3blx._3W7twcN1hTBtm9nh8gfg0n_HE4dDtw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <00f301c9541c$cd415c40$d503fea9@stodd> References: <871700.74983.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00f301c9541c$cd415c40$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <334513F5-1CD9-4B0E-B427-11F8C3FBB464@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:47:30 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=njDkQsgFdG2TNRzYtz6d34WRvBdt07Y44f0WLb3f5XmY1phTQA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I report who is still in stereo whenever I hear one. Lately it's > been KASM- 1150, Albany MN; KWLO- 1330, Waterloo IA; KKIN- 930, > Aitkin MN. Will have to try to see if WAQE- 1090 in Rice Lake WI > is still stereo. From Nashville, TN west, there are no AM $ stations to be found. That sucks. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Mon Dec 01 17:59:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25252 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 01:59:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 01:59:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 01:59:32 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail21.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.161]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVKFV4ATH4AWS for (sender ); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:59:22 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD+djuB7qKOih5gogJpcft8g= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail21.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3DDRUMS; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:58:45 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail21.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:58:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 01:58:15 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081201.175815.21443.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 10:5:1030648575 X-MAIL-INFO:20c848f148f159c9598969594d699ce1ed5cad18a8185d6175adddd80d2838dccc18c9c891b5fc18b54d896189c869b5e85d8c15557189a18c457de12c352c3585b885753185ed31288cd52d6d8d008dbcf9b16d0c4ca8653c41dd8db8e13d81f88d81ed75f975e13181b9bcf505d9c5158c1509559c0955ac8c55e505f5985cc9e94dd138b57119dc915965714db5e801a159a11c0db1a9f5594d0d78e509e5a1d50db1796dfccd55b1e5d5298df8a5e5658d0c21494139a539dd01e12c7ccc25294c587505e105b8b9587c28a89d69311828ad7c7c7538f838adad2d59addd48c8d9c1b54d594d7998f168 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.161|webmail21.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=LkMsPW-0CLHy271j9dqwQ4btYAqz761AKCoswG2sXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn If you didn't take everything so personal you could enjoy life more. There is more to life than Us Vs. Them. I present the results of a study and you take it personal and as an excuse = to make personal attacks. Facts are just fact and nothing to be fearful of.= Learn to live with them and you could experience increased self approval. Don=20=20=20 -- kevin redding wrote: If you Republicans keep it up Don, the Democrats will represent EVERY=20=20 district because the GOP is paleolithic and ossified mentally. I am=20=20 so glad you all think the way you do because it sure helped the=20=20 Democrats crush the crap out of the Republicans in 2006 and 2008.=20=20 Conservatives and Republicans are irrelevant and hopefully you all=20=20 will keep it up so the GOP can become like the whigs. Kevin On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:51 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Democrats like to define themselves as the party of poor and middle-=20 > income Americans, but a new study says they now represent the=20=20 > majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional districts. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 18:06:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25755 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 02:06:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 02:06:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 02:06:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69363 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 02:06:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: a0Batz8VM1k0LQBgW7b5slciF9xDKGtW4M3G9wJmODXDWvARAHmun2fNYzdEByjh9qmTqBjOUtRsXQSGvaZZBPBkZ3QIZUOyIXN6Hs2F700uCR.A5mKhYmkEOocqzFCeADTzCTnsJkacs13wId8nDzDJjVIHFJcoCPt.drAVFrkarXNkIY2F1bEUFYE- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:06:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:06:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <646032.37262.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <447793.68614.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Xc2zNI3aYZvik45l-xOdjEcAlNNJ8wV-2pMbqsF1CEmMfwJNoV5a X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I heard they no longer have their authorization for 250kW.=A0 They can only= go to Mexican legal max now or something.=A0 I know in Mexico it's 100kW-D= /50kW-N. --- On Mon, 12/1/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:24 PM =20=20=20=20 XERF doesn't need protecting.. .all they have to do is go to fu= ll power! --- On Sun, 11/30/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 2:42 PM > I just wasn't sure if it (a new 1580-Shamrock) could get > 250W night.=A0 I'm not as familiar with that area & > what would restrict it on 1580 or nearby?=A0 Would the > limiting station(s) by XERF & what else?=A0 CBE?=A0 Again, > I'm not sure what on 1580 or adjacent to it would keep a > new 1580 at Shamrock from getting 250W night?=A0 I know the > minimum now is 250W D & N or, I believe, a theoretical > minimum of 282mv/m if less than 250W (except for Class C > stations which I think is 241mV/m). >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > P.S.: On radio-locator. com it looks like there aren't > many F.M. allocations out there either. >=20 > --- On Sat, 11/29/08, Powell E. Way III > wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, > O.T.: KBYP > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 10:07 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > New applications have to have 250 watts night > minimum. And the allocation was deleted years ago. It would > have to start as new. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 >=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Sat, 11/29/08, JNR > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > I'm glad a ham got the XMTR.! Now why can't > 1580 >=20 > > come back? I know it's a clear but am unsure >=20 > > what's clear on 1580 there, or is it too close to >=20 > > XERF/1570? What about a class C frequency? >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Jay >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Dec 01 19:22:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3403 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 03:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 03:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 03:22:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 03:22:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 03:22:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:22:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <017301c9541e$2237bcc0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.9.117.91 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=RV1SUQkzQb-WUVFpv4HBdwqEbWY1Y2-fI6VukJCsKNLJ11k X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Actually he knew the right answer but was too damn polite to=20 contradict the idiot school teacher on the show with him that made the=20 original error. God help the school kids. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 Let me guess: It was all the left wing mainstream Liberal Media's fault for pointing=20 out the mistake. Reality......try it sometime. From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Dec 01 19:27:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50586 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 03:27:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 03:27:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 03:27:03 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KB800HCLC92VOJ6@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:27:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:27:01 -0500 To: Message-id: <6FCC83A1DC8F4A11BE3BB534AF4C90A3@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20081201.155109.936.4@webmail18.dca.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=YZdTsUwcOW880HFx0kmFJ4HnGBwlckJLtDc0005hmkVtkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is your point that people are poorer when they live in Republican districts? Dick W ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich Study: Democrats the party of the rich Quote: Democrats like to define themselves as the party of poor and middle-income Americans, but a new study says they now represent the majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional districts. In a state-by-state, district-by-district comparison of wealth concentrations based on Internal Revenue Service income data, Michael Franc, vice president of government relations at the Heritage Foundation, found that the majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional jurisdictions were represented by Democrats. He also found that more than half of the wealthiest households were concentrated in the 18 states where Democrats hold both Senate seats. "If you take the wealthiest one-third of the 435 congressional districts, we found that the Democrats represent about 58 percent of those jurisdictions," Mr. Franc said. A key measure of each district's wealth was the number of single-filer taxpayers earning more than $100,000 a year and married couples filing jointly who earn more than $200,000 annually, he said. But in a broader measurement, the study also showed that of the 167 House districts where the median annual income was higher than the national median of $48,201, a slight majority, 84 districts, were represented by Democrats. Median means that half of all income earners make more than that level and half make less. Mr. Franc's study also showed that contrary to the Democrats' tendency to define Republicans as the party of the rich, "the vast majority of unabashed conservative House members hail from profoundly middle-class districts." -- george russell wrote: You are right, Don, I didn't watch all of it. HOWEVER, news and commentary are only protected by the 1st when one has the financial clout to insure it! There-in lies the true evil of the entire money=power concept that we have been saddled with for too damn long. G --- On Mon, 12/1/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:02 PM > Gee. This video clip talks about A Rasmussen poll that shows > Fox News as the least biased of all of the TV news > sources.(MSNBC is the most biased.) A Pew poll also agrees > with that same issue. > > I guess that played as you were gnashing your teeth and > missed it. > > There is news and there is commentary. One must not confuse > the two. > Both are protected by the First Amendment. Once you have > ALL of the fact - Then you can make an informed decision. > > Thanks, > > Don > > -- george russell wrote: > > Good Lord, I couldn't even finish watching it, my teeth > were so clenched! > Sadly, many people will believe this crap as gospel > truth...then wonder why anybody questions their > intelligence! G > > > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Juan Gualda > wrote: > > > From: Juan Gualda > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:46 PM > > If anybody really, and I mean really believes, all > kidding > > aside, > > That Fox News is fair and balanced, I am truly > > dissapointed. > > > > This is a good example of being Fair and Balanced: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN823dUu6KA ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Dec 01 19:41:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95874 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 03:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 03:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f21.google.com) (209.85.221.21) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 03:41:55 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qy0-f21.google.com with SMTP id 14so4636997qyk.9 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:41:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.217.5 with SMTP id p5mr10893252qag.342.1228189314727; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:41:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.33.158.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.33.158.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm11475668yxg.6.2008.12.01.19.41.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:41:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <50C3E281-F130-457B-AE86-462B52F5F81B@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <447793.68614.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:41:34 -0500 References: <447793.68614.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=wJTZk73nA1Ejh2XbtOOW7glFYEPmqbpiU-B7Azr07QG6KcHOlO7sFh9RvHuSiA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Dec 1, 2008, at 9:06 PM, JNR wrote: > I heard they no longer have their authorization for 250kW. They can=20=20 > only go to Mexican legal max now or something. I know in Mexico=20=20 > it's 100kW-D/50kW-N. XERF-AM 1570 kHz Cd.Acuna, Coahuila Station Format: Unknown Format =20=20=09=20=09 Website: none XERF-AM Technical Info: Status Mexican Radio Station Area of Coverage View Daytime Coverage Map,View Nighttime Coverage Map Hours of Operation Unlimited Antenna Mode Non-Directional - 1 Pattern Power 250,000 Watts Number of Towers 1 Transmitter Location 29=B0 21' 00" N, 101=B0 01' 60" W Last FCC Update June 08 2001 Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 01 20:32:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45814 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 04:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 04:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 04:32:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74067 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 04:32:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eDpfhRAVM1nMyhLzypjOYCqGudQ4gPUVVW3xsW2yKLFehq0T.JavAaE9B4iQAPcT1JSuwRYGD3o5cpwSZI1.0MgJRaVmpqHFCKr0IZVSBiBiTl4BSt3sbHozWm01Y96COcA4NbhwFVh73kKvak23h5CVFJZ0vV45aAtA905q5dd4U.Y- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:32:42 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:32:42 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <833289.69380.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=9fxdp1p2oIpDGflnolNBoz2-jtPJuKdG_5niBYBBe1N2udxYG2_3 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hahaha.....damn I need a beer, lol --- On Sun, 11/30/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:20 PM Don, You are the most Republican person I have ever run across in my life. Kevin On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:09 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > This video clip talks about A Rasmussen poll that shows Fox News as=20 > the least biased of all of the TV news sources.(MSNBC is the most=20 > biased.) A Pew poll also agrees with that same issue. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 01 20:40:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66592 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 04:40:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 04:40:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 04:40:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96831 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 04:40:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M02.IGYVM1k5eE75CmcNbYsDdwZPOn6JInsWhetH5SWOdTKWNypvKNGl5kgWgLb57l2zRnCQ2sT4gNxCc9T3P8uFTOaWusIi9TOa96nG.biBj.ewId6gOfLAIaKq..UaW2.WZ1C_mGH8xwIdbm1TaG8EG591VYp2DXXmq0Snqffr2k4- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:40:20 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:40:20 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <013301c95335$dd33c760$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <376646.94435.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=9zsye9uBu1odtcRStgFCLuhTQzgdpV32JEQqZyiu2odijFzaj32I X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe they like her because she is so dumb.=A0 Who knows?=A0 I didn't care = what party she was from.=A0 She's just a dumbass. =A0 =A0 =A0 --- On Sun, 11/30/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:49 PM To take your points in order- If Alaska were in such deep do-do, then why does she have one of, if not th= e highest favorable rating of any governor in the US (80%?) I'll agree that the amount spent on her clothing was excessive, but the MSM= DID make it look like she was the one doing the spending, at least initial= ly. The MSM tried to make Palin out to be a bad mom because of her daughter's p= regnancy- something they'd never do to the other side. Lack of world knowlege- as in that bogus country vs. continent of Africa? Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Juan Gualda=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:57 PM Troubles In Alaska: Made up by the MSM. clothing purchased with RNC $$$ : Made up by the MSM Pregnant daughter: None of the MSM business.... ..unless it is=20 parading the baby around...THEN it's OK. Lack of Knowlege about World Events: MSM Bias=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 01 20:43:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77982 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 04:43:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 04:43:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 04:43:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40263 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 04:43:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WaK0cpMVM1l_NUIGcJ3oIu4_ycLp2vRbXkzejxDTt0ty9tOBOxsOF.TwElaF97FpZic_80OFFblPc62cBZ6btUuHbu9nADeFOKEjCzfUQ_7Nvk7KKwBqGS9DLKFNQtMgXWj6o.dPapB.hXxg8neYW5HOMtcJ32PdiBa8TKUfFfB4BvQ- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:43:00 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:43:00 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <629119.39953.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=hCYvrhE4aj1D02lxsczdHoKNqqhVtp1zLAcL89SA7xaNVesZEy-d X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Most definitely Palin is a dumbass.=A0 They were all railing about how this= and that she was until they realised she wasn't properly vetted and made t= he party look even dumber than it is.=A0 Yeah I doubt we'll see her running= again for such high office.=A0 If she does she'll be nothing more than a l= aughing stock.=A0 Believe me they save tapes and will replay every dumb thi= ng she said over and over again, only next time around they'll have had mor= e time to go back and review more of her dumb musings on other tapes and al= l the dirt will fly up.=A0 I thought what really made her look dumb was how= she went on SNL and fell right into their trap.=A0 Good for SNL though!=A0= Ha! =A0 --- On Sun, 11/30/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 5:07 PM On Nov 30, 2008, at 3:49 PM, wrote: > If Alaska were in such deep do-do, then why does she have one of,=20 > if not the highest favorable rating of any governor in the US (80%?) Because she has a tax on oil that the rest of the nation has to pay=20 Alaska and its so much money coming in from raping the other 49=20 states that Alaska has a no tax rate and people get the surplus.=20 Since she can rape us for taxes to pay for Alaska, the citizens love=20 her because screwing the other 49 gets them off the hook. If you are=20 Alaskan, what's not to love? If you are from the other 49 states,=20 what's there to like? > The MSM tried to make Palin out to be a bad mom because of her=20 > daughter's pregnancy- something they'd never do to the other side. No matter who it was, Palin or Obama, if it was Obama they would have=20 done the same and on top of it would said that the child was pregnant=20 and that all blacks are like that. Palin got her lumps for it. Anyone=20 else would have taken the same ass kicking on this one because its=20 just the kind of lurid crap the press loves. Nothing of substance,=20 just worthless crap is what the press likes to report. My only problem with Palin was that to me, she came across as very=20 ignorant on things. It was painfully obvious why McCain would not let=20 her speak to the press for so long before letting her out to speak on=20 her own. She really did look terribly bad when she spoke in her=20 speeches not just the interviews. She looked terrible in the debate=20 also in my opinion. You betcha! Wink, wink! It is my belief that if McCain picked Romney who understood economic=20 issues better than Palin, Huckabee or any other Republican mentioned=20 for the VP spot, the Republicans had a much better chance to win the=20 election. McCain picked Palin who came across as stupid whether or=20 not she was and it killed him. To me Palin is even less intelligent=20 than Dan Quayle was. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 01 20:45:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68884 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 04:45:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 04:45:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 04:45:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82257 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 04:45:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8d.OScMVM1lu1TdNW7.iR4d2mumxzZ0Dhglg7dOugK6Z0CiAcvoZeAA5Fk9yyp9S919_X8DadyOGDEy.JUwDcD5.3QgA3RUlDXixuY1ZPl4IBBOvJ7n7oPaKbnDSehaVo1phBzSq_aMAl0FjNn1DbBDx6x7Usbva7gy0WhQc2fBl8NM- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:45:06 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:45:06 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081130.142046.21351.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <278975.81376.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=vanbh1xt8US3fUhxU1Sn0ZZyhQxYxKUEvsdMJXu-8HD7uxls4xl_ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lordhelp, lol=A0 yall are getting silly at this point. =A0 =A0 --- On Sun, 11/30/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 5:20 PM Kevin, Remember that I am not a public figure and that you can be held accountable= for making false statements about me. Please send a list of your assets so I can determine if it would be worth p= ursuing appropriate action.=20 Don -- kevin redding wrote: > And being called a Republican is a BAD name ! lol If I were a Republican and someone called me a Republican, then I=20 would admit to it. We are what we are. If someone calls me a liberal, progressive, Democratic or even=20 Socialist, I would raise my right hand and say, "Here am I." I yam=20 what I yam. Don quotes Republican sources as if they were Gospel. He totes the=20 Republican line on things. He rails on Democrats who will not be in=20 power for another 51 days. He speaks to Republican talking points. He=20 whines about a non-existent Fairness Doctrine. He brings up things=20 that Limbaugh and Hannity speak about. He complains that Obama was=20 not a US citizen, complains that he is a Muslim and is pretty much=20 exactly in lock step with everything Republican and yet he says he is=20 not Republican. Makes no sense. Someone is not telling the truth, I think. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 01 20:52:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7410 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 04:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 04:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 04:52:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45942 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 04:52:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BYAmvuYVM1kc..NB3E8718KG94MyvuL4CPUhHtI7dq8mdGIk6CN8lOuNppRebfMmRTCIeR.dsdVRLkQ594UNG063NW8sh3zZjoMPScjdkJfKO54c4YZtTFVIr.F9lEatJ4wMeXids0kNp1zDMrdMjyH2t3S89zGphfaEsd1RzAajSj4- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:52:27 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:52:27 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081201.073349.3442.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <124078.45921.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=NzWoCfuyZ0aXItmSGqs4pwCHHx_rmONK68m5AMJWqdQAe8ufcW4j X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don I think you're outnumberd on here.=A0 Majority rules.=A0 No offense but= Fox news is not real news.=A0 It never has been.=A0 It's too sensational.= =A0 They always talk over their guests and when they know they are on the l= osing end they keep talking over the gues so that no one can hear them.=A0 = If you think Fox is fair and balanced then you are in some serious need of = psychological help.=A0=20 =A0 =A0 --- On Mon, 12/1/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 10:33 AM More opinion but no facts! -- clemsonbloke wrote: Well ill tell you then.=A0 Yes I've watched it and yes it's true.=A0 It sho= uld be called the republican indoctrination and brain washing network. =A0 --- On Sat, 11/29/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 5:30 PM We hear these claims over and over but never anything to back up the charge= s. I have a friend who says the very same things but freely admits he has n= ever watched the channel. Strange. Don -- kevin redding wrote: Their motto should be "Fear and UNbalanced. We report and decide.=20 FAUX Nooze." Kevin On Nov 29, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Dick W wrote: > I have found that that Fox News is always right -- far right!=20 > Their mission is to preach to the faithful. > Dick W > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevin redding > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} For Clemsonbloke about being NIMBY > > > > On Nov 28, 2008, at 12:14 PM, wrote: > >> If a lie is repeated often enough, eventually it becomes the truth. > > FAUX Nooze is well known for doing this incessantly. > > Kevin > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 01 20:58:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16847 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 04:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 04:58:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 04:58:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62493 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 04:58:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lu.sim4VM1kqjiI5aWz9nFJnaESy_aPveJytH7GxlOHVQlAUV43ZxUmPHbizblUFT0PhIRzrorpJlVSAnHvuK3M72J9k3OWV.BQi09FIiK8pkwIIgns_q9TQHOGcV55GD4UhxsClsGYDDKXmgMIarv6GuGZOuMLP.5d7X6A6gHCu6DQ- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:58:38 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 04:58:38 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081201.155109.936.4@webmail18.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <864841.61788.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=eYtGnyz1hj2dD3ke-h-W-1K4aV03SsuBDqCsbrDWRYlaj7TsAuje X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They never said they weren't rich.=A0 They said they support the poor and m= iddle classes.=A0 They are actually the segment of the rich who care about = their fellow man, the poor, and the middle class unlike those greedy rich b= astards known as republicans.=A0 The republicans believe in the rich gettin= g richer and the poor poorer.=A0 Those are the=A0facts.=A0Believe it becaus= e it is true. =A0 --- On Mon, 12/1/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:51 PM Study: Democrats the party of the rich Quote: Democrats like to define themselves as the party of poor and middle-income = Americans, but a new study says they now represent the majority of the nati= on's wealthiest congressional districts. In a state-by-state, district-by- district comparison of wealth concentrati= ons based on Internal Revenue Service income data, Michael Franc, vice pres= ident of government relations at the Heritage Foundation, found that the ma= jority of the nation's wealthiest congressional jurisdictions were represen= ted by Democrats. He also found that more than half of the wealthiest households were concent= rated in the 18 states where Democrats hold both Senate seats. "If you take the wealthiest one-third of the 435 congressional districts, w= e found that the Democrats represent about 58 percent of those jurisdiction= s, " Mr. Franc said. A key measure of each district's wealth was the number of single-filer taxp= ayers earning more than $100,000 a year and married couples filing jointly = who earn more than $200,000 annually, he said. But in a broader measurement, the study also showed that of the 167 House d= istricts where the median annual income was higher than the national median= of $48,201, a slight majority, 84 districts, were represented by Democrats= . Median means that half of all income earners make more than that level an= d half make less. Mr. Franc's study also showed that contrary to the Democrats' tendency to d= efine Republicans as the party of the rich, "the vast majority of unabashed= conservative House members hail from profoundly middle-class districts."=20 -- george russell wrote: You are right, Don, I didn't watch all of it. HOWEVER, news and commentary = are only protected by the 1st when one has the financial clout to insure it= ! There-in lies the true evil of the entire money=3Dpower concept that we h= ave been saddled with for too damn long. G --- On Mon, 12/1/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:02 PM > Gee. This video clip talks about A Rasmussen poll that shows > Fox News as the least biased of all of the TV news > sources.(MSNBC is the most biased.) A Pew poll also agrees > with that same issue. >=20 > I guess that played as you were gnashing your teeth and > missed it. >=20 > There is news and there is commentary. One must not confuse > the two. > Both are protected by the First Amendment. Once you have > ALL of the fact - Then you can make an informed decision.=20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Don=20 >=20 > -- george russell wrote: >=20 > Good Lord, I couldn't even finish watching it, my teeth > were so clenched! > Sadly, many people will believe this crap as gospel > truth...then wonder why anybody questions their > intelligence! G >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Juan Gualda > wrote: >=20 > > From: Juan Gualda > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:46 PM > > If anybody really, and I mean really believes, all > kidding > > aside,=20 > > That Fox News is fair and balanced, I am truly > > dissapointed. > >=20 > > This is a good example of being Fair and Balanced: > >=20 > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=3DdN823dUu6KA ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 01 21:00:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7035 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 05:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 05:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 05:00:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63682 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 05:00:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: U.tjA4wVM1m69jQOONKrBXWnBbDmuZXfsn5GG5Ue3AQfQOpAIx41cm7TeyCpP2.4z7CQGgZqwlnpek2QZY_6YPDvcGMcClbtViJU5ivzU5JLw7ouylHP9ZQt4hOQdYlnNFhusNfj0Rc2U7cL7ro_saIvtw-- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:00:25 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:00:25 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <945229.62392.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=CNtKzOTYUlS3kLw2zY4v1Gyx4lRHVPJBGwW2EDUdcNc9SWHaGrpI X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin I agree.=A0 Let them keep on with their antiquated outdated ideas and= mantras.=A0 We'll just keep on winning.=A0 Don is a good guy, he just does= n't "get it" just like so many other republicans.=A0 I feel sorry for them = actually because they are only spinning their wheels.=A0 They will never le= arn until they stop and listen to people and not their own greedy interests= . =A0 =A0 =A0 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 01 21:02:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9279 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 05:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 05:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 05:02:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10313 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 05:01:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DTmhsw0VM1kJ43uoPCpvuiwYL1AHfUHenlX2CmKjddE9s_Kf3g4rC3T9_ncJdgCOsfajAquvTAS25ZDC4k4llw1IKoqQeSNlI6VnA0wpPh55.HQ4fLLh_cpoJkWzIvfQjOdOmNX.gjog6k3Y6nSfsYiFoK7AWBgJH_QR5c_TlzxDo18- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:01:59 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 05:01:59 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081201.175815.21443.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <541149.8673.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=DndHpz3_gL5sczzCAtRwbrvo7ulDEs532nliE45oiGZux0Liti4L X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the republicans are the ones who need to learn the facts.=A0 Appare= ntly they just fell off the tree yesterday because they just do not get it.= =A0 No it is not us democrats, it is the republicans who need to learn the = facts Don.=A0=20 =A0 =A0 --- On Mon, 12/1/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 8:58 PM If you didn't take everything so personal you could enjoy life more. There is more to life than Us Vs. Them. I present the results of a study and you take it personal and as an excuse = to make personal attacks. Facts are just fact and nothing to be fearful of.= Learn to live with them and you could experience increased self approval. Don=20 -- kevin redding wrote: If you Republicans keep it up Don, the Democrats will represent EVERY=20 district because the GOP is paleolithic and ossified mentally. I am=20 so glad you all think the way you do because it sure helped the=20 Democrats crush the crap out of the Republicans in 2006 and 2008.=20 Conservatives and Republicans are irrelevant and hopefully you all=20 will keep it up so the GOP can become like the whigs. Kevin On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:51 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Democrats like to define themselves as the party of poor and middle-=20 > income Americans, but a new study says they now represent the=20 > majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional districts. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 21:08:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23228 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 05:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 05:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.244) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 05:08:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 251 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 05:08:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 82WbGmEVM1nkgQ3BxA6G8XY4NsDFFfgBPwxDoPQZolSTy95g8mpFqqAQItnwoZfX_KDnfE0gAcVptYQJ2Ztc7.MkCT8YWhmq899WBLA0j.yTUo7mGgqfnbtg_wG3fzlLN6Ef7lFgWQHrHsAYApbVMj55Gr7bC8rkd4s2dYnWjOXMDKMdX5BgMd5ffM0- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:08:49 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:08:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <50C3E281-F130-457B-AE86-462B52F5F81B@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <902794.98467.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since everything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=oIGwrtTGUm1cGmkDVGxrIpF-UC3CPiEiqYB2ltPmKK-2aGrZcKB5 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable According to the Mexican S.C.T., XERF is 15kW D&N.=A0 The PDF is here: http= ://dgsrt.sct.gob.mx/fileadmin/ligas/infra_am_280206_.pdf So much for the firebreather!=A0 The Wolfman's station is long gone.=A0 Any= way, it appears that Mexican licenses are good for 30 years minus 1 day.=A0= XERF's license was granted 11/27/87 & expires 11/26/17. --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 10:41 PM =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 On Dec 1, 2008, at 9:06 PM, JNR wrote: > I heard they no longer have their authorization for 250kW. They can=20=20 > only go to Mexican legal max now or something. I know in Mexico=20=20 > it's 100kW-D/50kW- N. XERF-AM 1570 kHz Cd.Acuna, Coahuila Station Format: Unknown Format =20=20=09=20=09 Website: none XERF-AM Technical Info: Status Mexican Radio Station Area of Coverage View Daytime Coverage Map,View Nighttime Coverage Map Hours of Operation Unlimited Antenna Mode Non-Directional - 1 Pattern Power 250,000 Watts Number of Towers 1 Transmitter Location 29=B0 21' 00" N, 101=B0 01' 60" W Last FCC Update June 08 2001 Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 21:18:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56674 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 05:18:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 05:18:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 05:18:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42679 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 05:18:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6jWAO8QVM1nA1Pr.Cj.UUkXmKGSckHFdnkilxim9rTO.qSHP4RSWgjUx3hY7gfWThLgk8E9DMswMK7UVHUtg1X2cdLId9jXIQJlJCGhmH2ERPP_.4NqWiGFo92XQtaLmr8VzSLvHaUWDc5yqbR5q_3uzVzL_FiMbgvVzn6wLhTGaQbYVzbLHWAz3MM0- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:18:00 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:18:00 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF , ABDX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <689320.42472.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=O3aUfsuo8HfWuY0AnRtlwi5R31DcFtQJ8555bIB8CLvaCvEApRwR X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who mourn the real clear-channel A.M.s, here's a fun read: http://www.ominous-valve.com/xerf.html Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW day & night. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Dec 01 21:43:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4187 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 05:43:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 05:43:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 05:43:42 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so565037qwi.57 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:43:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.148.4 with SMTP id v4mr11011255qad.10.1228196621467; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:43:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.33.158.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.33.158.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm5834913yxd.2.2008.12.01.21.43.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:43:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <861AC8DE-1762-4439-80C8-DF658FC1490D@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <902794.98467.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:43:16 -0500 References: <902794.98467.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since everything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=XISbZrPtGSe3KK5Zha48CFN2OUMkci5mfMF09sESfiNUC48INR6yuyBThSSKDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:08 AM, JNR wrote: > According to the Mexican S.C.T., XERF is 15kW D&N. The PDF is here: http= ://dgsrt.sct.gob.mx/fileadmin/ligas/infra_am_280206_.pdf > > So much for the firebreather! That is OLD Information! They have a Brand Spanking New 100KW=20=20 Transmitter! From their website http://www.lapoderosa.imer.com.mx/ FICHA T=C9CNICA DIRECCI=D3N: Madero # 600 (esquina con Manuel Acu=F1a), Colonia Centro, Ciudad Acu=F1a, Coahuila, CP 26200 UBICACI=D3N: Ciudad Acu=F1a, Coahuila SIGLAS: XERF FRECUENCIA: 1570 kHz. en amplitud modulada (AM) HORARIO DE TRANSMISI=D3N: 24 horas al d=EDa POTENCIA APARENTE RADIADA: 100,000 watts CANAL LIBRE INTERNACIONAL: Estaci=F3n concesionada con permiso para transmitir a los Estados=20=20 Unidos: Canal libre despejado (clase 1-A/A). =C1REA DE COBERTURA: =95 Durante el d=EDa, la se=F1al de La Poderosa cubre un =E1rea aproximada = de=20=20 270,000 Km2. Se escucha con buena calidad en el estado de Coahuila,=20=20 M=E9xico y en el sur de Texas en los Estados Unidos. =95 Por la noche, la se=F1al de La Poderosa abarca un =E1rea mayor de=20=20 aproximadamente 500 000 Km2, llegando a escucharse en toda la=20=20 Rep=FAblica Mexicana y sur de los Estados Unidos: Texas, Nuevo M=E9xico, = =20 Louisiana, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Arizona, Colorado y Kansas. AUDIENCIA POTENCIAL: 2,000,000 de radioescuchas en el estado de Texas. POBLACI=D3N A SERVIR: La Poderosa se dirige principalmente a los migrantes mexicanos, entre=20=20 18 y 35 a=F1os, que viven o transitan en los Estados Unidos. En la Rep=FAblica Mexicana la Poderosa es escuchada por una vasta=20=20 audiencia cuyas edades fluct=FAan entre los 10 a=F1os y la tercera edad. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Dec 01 21:44:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7034 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 05:44:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 05:44:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.148) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 05:44:28 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so878851qwc.32 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:44:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.215.41.14 with SMTP id t14mr10992992qaj.338.1228196668327; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:44:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.33.158.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.33.158.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm5834913yxd.2.2008.12.01.21.44.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:44:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <0D633BBF-C602-40A6-92D2-FFD1118F9052@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <689320.42472.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:44:16 -0500 References: <689320.42472.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=8ussdb0EWjvYg9BLyOCo7uHTM_nKOcDxP2B2mRbHR1dZxsMT-WdKgEoi9ZpgTA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:18 AM, JNR wrote: > Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW day & night. Limping my foot! They are CRANKING into Upstate SC tonight. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Dec 01 21:54:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18109 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 05:54:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 05:54:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 05:54:08 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so633524qwc.12 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:54:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.115.1 with SMTP id n1mr10967569qac.374.1228197247458; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:54:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.33.158.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.33.158.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm11710559yxl.8.2008.12.01.21.54.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:54:06 -0800 (PST) Cc: abDX@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <58226F45-A5A8-41F8-A890-E6468EE3039E@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <689320.42472.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:53:55 -0500 References: <689320.42472.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=eRT6pmbAohX05Yr9-tXrTnBexJcsQ2VfCTLTtVx3o_2h8vVaIhAu3wBrH1SoBg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:18 AM, JNR wrote: > For those of you who mourn the real clear-channel A.M. Another Border Blaster that has come back from the dead is XEROK 800. They have a spiffy new Harris 150 KW rig and is Mexico's first station to broadcast in AM HD-Radio. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:00:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58020 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:00:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:00:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10400 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:00:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7txlN6kVM1n885lX_zjgRN_5Ro2qRatL1ll6LJQgdLpvPheZ_WtXd1ur7sbvTgUyXV9D0fpoZTLDog6tMmP8DPfZseOe.KJgAGNwo9T9mBe83vD2pbj8bPDUtHolte4g61dzvbPg3Xao6P0jX0vzWAERNqc8XmgR57trhAzlGGunkkCVKGWbnETJm4Yw X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:00:58 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:00:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <689320.42472.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <696533.10368.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=eAVQjZWiYm10a95FDO2oZe3qx1Z2gbA6Tg_DYrPvS--oyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ah, but since that was written, they have jumped back to 100 kW.! Got a recording of them doing the full legal ID about a year and a half ago..."en amplitud modulato, transmitedo con cien mil watts de potencia". Just a week ago, they were pounding in here in the Detroit area pretty good, even covering up that pesky talker in Flint. I thought it was just a good sky, but checking other sure bets, I found it was only an average sky...they were definitely running some juice down there! That story on Ominous Valve is pretty funny, but there are a couple flaws: RCA and WLW engineers had nothing to do with XERA's monster...it was the creation of James Weldon, who went on to found Continental Electronics, and unlike WLW, there was no modulation iron, it was the first use of a Doherty final and screen-mod at high power levels. (RCA DID build the Amplifuzz 250 kW. for XERF, though.) Also, XERF was not related to XERA, they were two seperate companies, but XERF DID use the old XERA building for a while, until their new one was finished. I had hoped to go down there and look around on ye olde hallowed ground, maybe get some pix, but I've since heard they finally leveled the old building...what a waste, it was very attractive. Ah, the legends, the corona, the craziness...I MISS the border blasters! --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: "AMSF" , "ABDX" > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 AM > For those of you who mourn the real clear-channel A.M.s, > here's a fun read: > > http://www.ominous-valve.com/xerf.html > > Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW day & > night. > > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:05:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39425 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:05:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:05:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.234) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:05:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73449 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:05:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3nkFjxsVM1n3vFpIxePRlUSXBQkR0OVWshUVvbujyLBJIpJhGwMVPdN8ofVbbc9wyvnzQa0gNARZiXyYga3V4y_FaEix_1W4g0.yYMwKTggyrgiNJ3hdNsn854Ad.hg7E0x4JszYvPiXIL35eljqJY5BOpdU91TFhc9EV7rgE3iCMMdx8IL2Rn_TWkY- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:05:21 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:05:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <861AC8DE-1762-4439-80C8-DF658FC1490D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <198178.72100.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since everything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=c7-wku5IYKl0_0sNjh4PcPwU8K_jkTyoAA30xZAfAJnOCiFHEkS3 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's the S.C.T.'s page.=A0 If it's like the F.C.C. then XERF is running 6= .66x more power than legally allowed.=A0 But then again, this is Mexico & t= his is XERF!=A0 Laws need not apply! --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since everything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:43 AM On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:08 AM, JNR wrote: > According to the Mexican S.C.T., XERF is 15kW D&N. The PDF is here: http://dgsrt.sct.gob.mx/fileadmin/ligas/infra_am_280206_.pdf > > So much for the firebreather! That is OLD Information! They have a Brand Spanking New 100KW=20=20 Transmitter! From their website http://www.lapoderosa.imer.com.mx/ FICHA T=C9CNICA DIRECCI=D3N: Madero # 600 (esquina con Manuel Acu=F1a), Colonia Centro, Ciudad Acu=F1a, Coahuila, CP 26200 UBICACI=D3N: Ciudad Acu=F1a, Coahuila SIGLAS: XERF FRECUENCIA: 1570 kHz. en amplitud modulada (AM) HORARIO DE TRANSMISI=D3N: 24 horas al d=EDa POTENCIA APARENTE RADIADA: 100,000 watts CANAL LIBRE INTERNACIONAL: Estaci=F3n concesionada con permiso para transmitir a los Estados=20=20 Unidos: Canal libre despejado (clase 1-A/A). =C1REA DE COBERTURA: =95 Durante el d=EDa, la se=F1al de La Poderosa cubre un =E1rea aproximada = de=20=20 270,000 Km2. Se escucha con buena calidad en el estado de Coahuila,=20=20 M=E9xico y en el sur de Texas en los Estados Unidos. =95 Por la noche, la se=F1al de La Poderosa abarca un =E1rea mayor de=20=20 aproximadamente 500 000 Km2, llegando a escucharse en toda la=20=20 Rep=FAblica Mexicana y sur de los Estados Unidos: Texas, Nuevo M=E9xico, = =20 Louisiana, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Arizona, Colorado y Kansas. AUDIENCIA POTENCIAL: 2,000,000 de radioescuchas en el estado de Texas. POBLACI=D3N A SERVIR: La Poderosa se dirige principalmente a los migrantes mexicanos, entre=20=20 18 y 35 a=F1os, que viven o transitan en los Estados Unidos. En la Rep=FAblica Mexicana la Poderosa es escuchada por una vasta=20=20 audiencia cuyas edades fluct=FAan entre los 10 a=F1os y la tercera edad. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:05:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76834 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:05:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:05:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:05:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16829 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:05:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sSieGIsVM1mpAQnES14SlE8Ou8XcxGPyrXAIkRRxbiI234gqskzNOyHQr_3hGZOUqMgC4fzEBjvMx_3Yioe0DvDX9Eg2a7i0uuqyd.3Hv69_ZnwqwCkVMAq4ocTpQHQRudFmW4t0oq9DFhwE6cUzZpCwG_MYx7t78jww.mqV0lDuY5KgbbyOGMdhsDWu X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:05:36 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:05:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <50C3E281-F130-457B-AE86-462B52F5F81B@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <681087.16768.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=QyZ_gU3xmcswVDVeJh3HrJzfN8U2KXNeln5D90fL6_7w3A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 There format as of a few weeks ago seemed (at night anyway) to be call-in t= alk shows, with some Tejano musical breaks. I had them for nearly an hour, = didn't hear much else, except for a little girl singing "1570, XERF" in Spanish. --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 10:41 PM > On Dec 1, 2008, at 9:06 PM, JNR wrote: >=20 > > I heard they no longer have their authorization for > 250kW. They can=20=20 > > only go to Mexican legal max now or something. I know > in Mexico=20=20 > > it's 100kW-D/50kW-N. >=20 >=20 > XERF-AM 1570 kHz > Cd.Acuna, Coahuila >=20 > Station Format: Unknown Format >=20=20=20=09=20=09 > Website: none >=20 >=20 >=20 > XERF-AM Technical Info: > Status Mexican Radio Station > Area of Coverage View Daytime Coverage Map,View Nighttime > Coverage Map > Hours of Operation Unlimited > Antenna Mode Non-Directional - 1 Pattern > Power 250,000 Watts > Number of Towers 1 > Transmitter Location 29=B0 21' 00" N, 101=B0 > 01' 60" W > Last FCC Update June 08 2001 >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:13:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26074 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:13:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:13:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:13:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18704 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:12:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KSvmzBkVM1lKBYR4LnDIxBkzQKJtx9wL3QglRJRk3JLq6FAVqov8JFccMvIRE.MHBuybuW52zsASQwad4jBmY15FJ5bwHNoagY9ISzsRT_lgZeT6I81_PDVXSHAxLFUgglqFx4hi4BcnIZdDAHGQzPi3LFnnNQf38a6uOK4QJ3DghEV61Xmrn2IMQiZe X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:12:58 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:12:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <58226F45-A5A8-41F8-A890-E6468EE3039E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <333116.18280.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=UMteJBTzuvyyn0Qoq0vzXmPXtTYHBIF8UkW7VqB7KoWqmw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yup, and when I am about 90 miles north of CKLW, they often block it out! Granted, CK's got a directional null in that direction, but then Juarez is a LOT farther away from here than Windsor. Had a format called Radio Canon...sorry, I can't figure out how to put that little thingy over the "N", but it's there :>) BTW, unless they just bought the 150 k., they actually have 3 Harris Destiny 50 kW. boxes, but can run them together when the mood suits them. (Wish it would suit them to lease it out as a top-40 again...sigh!) --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Cc: abDX@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:53 AM > On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:18 AM, JNR wrote: > > > For those of you who mourn the real clear-channel A.M. > > Another Border Blaster that has come back from the dead is > XEROK 800. > They have a spiffy new Harris 150 KW rig and is > Mexico's first station > to broadcast in AM HD-Radio. > > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:15:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70781 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:15:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:15:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.244) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:15:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42944 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:15:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lvR2A6MVM1mmZakxizSp84Pk94_HTfTuQwbRTgIBfoRvv0q.7vJDhj0pF75ZgBQ5VF3ktyToyVSyfBUCsCDNyS14.qeci3843QsozrRNuKIgr6Ra1Ky.ufcuN5a.nKBo8YyD0zUz_zE0UpltqEV4hr7AmLkGAl70Xrto9Mi5PUKntK_R5o5ytsGj1Zw- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:15:13 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:15:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <696533.10368.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <27729.42191.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=8IFy9e3D07R60BaPtADKRvSWz9r8Ec25ijy96w0PQ6YZr1Poc23d X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Despite the technical inaccuracies that you're telling us about, it is stil= l a very well-written story & definitely brings the passion.=A0 I'm finding= other information elsewhere.=A0 It seems XER was on 840 but also 735 & pos= sibly 665.=A0 I think you're correct about XERA & XERF not being related.= =A0 I seem to remember XERF was started by Arturo Gonzalez.=A0 I don't reme= mber if he worked for XER/XERA though.=A0 Now, THE question to get it on to= pic: did XERF ever use an A.M. stereo system.=A0 Supposedly XETRA used Kahn= as far back as the '60s. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-he= e-koh To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:00 AM =20=20=20=20 Ah, but since that was written, they have jumped back to 100 kW= .! Got a recording of them doing the full legal ID about a year and a half ago= ..."en amplitud modulato, transmitedo con cien mil watts de potencia". Just= a week ago, they were pounding in here in the Detroit area pretty good, ev= en covering up that pesky talker in Flint. I thought it was just a good sk= y, but checking other sure bets, I found it was only an average sky...they = were definitely running some juice down there! That story on Ominous Valve is pretty funny, but there are a couple flaws: = =20 RCA and WLW engineers had nothing to do with XERA's monster...it was the cr= eation of James Weldon, who went on to found Continental Electronics, and u= nlike WLW, there was no modulation iron, it was the first use of a Doherty = final and screen-mod at high power levels. (RCA DID build the Amplifuzz 250= kW. for XERF, though.)=20=20 Also, XERF was not related to XERA, they were two seperate companies, but X= ERF DID use the old XERA building for a while, until their new one was fini= shed. I had hoped to go down there and look around on ye olde hallowed gro= und, maybe get some pix, but I've since heard they finally leveled the old = building...what a waste, it was very attractive.=20 Ah, the legends, the corona, the craziness... I MISS the border blasters! --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-= koh > To: "AMSF" , "ABDX" > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 AM > For those of you who mourn the real clear-channel A.M.s, > here's a fun read: >=20 > http://www.ominous- valve.com/ xerf.html >=20 > Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW day & > night. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:17:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5038 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:17:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21816 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:17:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RJC_mIwVM1nllHOdGyHzrqpk.IqLC2zwINLWndpAx2aUMhpz9jis3r9XcLNv98zqt.eQ6a.A5cF0Nit4hsQzjQirWnvsslS03qQ4ZEwAH0A3BV8bqQbeEJ4n7ahV13j66vojCluLrVOH.ikFhvodvyvb9AkSCZqKTjmuON1CozkBQj8XvtiASWt_jmgw X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:17:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:17:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0D633BBF-C602-40A6-92D2-FFD1118F9052@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <555963.21158.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=awVghFt4yV_JvLjaje4lFnwEd1XfADmUAvL_dXEpSR6Y7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You guys got me all salivating about these stunning XE's, I might forget to make political comments tonight...no sorrow THERE, I bet! :>) --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:44 AM > On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:18 AM, JNR wrote: > > > Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW day & > night. > > Limping my foot! They are CRANKING into Upstate SC tonight. > > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:18:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76636 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:18:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:18:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:18:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79358 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:18:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZJL2v2AVM1nJYuxbHSNi3wAsH6w6S.asaNUmCqqPOgMKXSEPOy7UcaMJDhuPH3ZO5M43nFtECrkgyYxwqpovjfrrjh599wKoHoClwhgknyAU_jZpYfDTZRJYUYZXb_mmNb1JgvoP_BhlMOTcGvwHxZpxRy.rGuoZPuDbXi0SpknT9ccDWaYRYaBiqBE- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:18:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:18:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <333116.18280.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <741141.74082.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=L6Ebqrg58bJIUk4CBMSq69M5mgtiaJC_DtNoMGWvcOd87j3fDQp2 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of my fave airchecks is from XEROK from 1977-1980.=A0 X-ROCK 80!=A0 THE= SAND CITY ROCKER!=A0 I originally thought they said the "Sun City Rocker" = which I liked better.=A0 Mind you, this is radio from the time I was born (= 1979)!=A0 Nothing like hearing Ted Nugent & The George Baker Selection on t= he same recording.=A0 Female voice in Spanish: "Equis Eh Ere Oh Ka!=A0 Ciud= ad Juarez, Meh-hee-koh!"=A0 Male voice in English: "X-ROCK 80!=A0 With the = MOST hit music!=A0 Most hit music!=A0 MOST...HIT...MUSIC!" --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-= dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:12 AM =20=20=20=20 Yup, and when I am about 90 miles north of CKLW, they often blo= ck it out! Granted, CK's got a directional null in that direction, but then Juarez is = a LOT farther away from here than Windsor. Had a format called Radio Canon= ...sorry, I can't figure out how to put that little thingy over the "N", bu= t it's there :>) BTW, unless they just bought the 150 k., they actually have 3 Harris Destin= y 50 kW. boxes, but can run them together when the mood suits them. (Wish it would suit them to lease it out as a top-40 again...sigh! ) --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-da= d A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Cc: abDX@yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:53 AM > On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:18 AM, JNR wrote: >=20 > > For those of you who mourn the real clear-channel A.M. >=20 > Another Border Blaster that has come back from the dead is > XEROK 800.=20=20 > They have a spiffy new Harris 150 KW rig and is > Mexico's first station=20=20 > to broadcast in AM HD-Radio. >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:22:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68576 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:22:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:22:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50499 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:22:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CBQVS4IVM1mzwP_VJ3NM.cBpcEy0_Fro3ro3.jTt_Vgb7ftg3Mb.Z2TfSadPwtCEGr9vP2gysCMzGNxep7uap8sxfR6RhRujukFO3_qVgngnhEax3KuAHXrmSj9yTpBxL_iaCjNtGRx81VIIdQ1RIxFxiA4Ug49bwhnC4iS3c6a_hfh_j9Kk0P79054- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:22:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:22:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <555963.21158.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <809282.41911.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=qb8BP9cjPat0qqLcE8tIsLWIn9gyC5WdZqWqDBbMx_XzP-M0WArb X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm political but I think it needs to stay off of here.=A0 We were getting = into a pretty good radio argument about the fates of Class A stations in th= e present vs. the past!=A0 Or, how about C-QuAM vs. Kahn?=A0 THAT'S always = a nasty one too! Right now mono local WPRO/630 is off so I am able to hear WSM much better.= =A0 620 & 640 were just noise unfortunately.=A0 I couldn't reliably ID anyt= hing there. I'd LOVE to work on an XE or XH!=A0 All I've done are W stations so far.=A0= Not even a K yet!=20 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-he= e-koh To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:17 AM =20=20=20=20 You guys got me all salivating about these stunning XE's, I mig= ht forget to make political comments tonight...no sorrow THERE, I bet! :>) --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-= hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:44 AM > On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:18 AM, JNR wrote: >=20 > > Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW day & > night. >=20 > Limping my foot! They are CRANKING into Upstate SC tonight. >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:25:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29889 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:25:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:25:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:25:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26443 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:25:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pAoTjFsVM1mSLwv3Y09LVXAr4Pdgv2HkuwBDg77x45pGp3ZsJfx.O976vUs_8Xogyxo9pKEbyEgexThLeRwJSgRSdRmemNIRIacvjtOsdqZVjJ0iBFjx8Mz5fxut6JlXL2OQXhEoPC5c0L1knyUySKhk5SXJNg_lUkRg1_87mZa6.sW6Q69E2ziCutW3 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:25:36 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:25:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <27729.42191.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=xl4KmSzjaEDEecIsNtFSqoVHnn76jbsbAJa8_eERRGA7CQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, Kahn was first put to real power on XETRA, in the 60's. Not the first = time somebody crossed the border to do what they were not allowed to here! XERF was never stereo, XEROK was to try it, don't know that they ever actua= lly did. XEG in Monterrey is still C-QUAM, at 100 kW, according to their we= bsite, but the internet stream sounds kinda mono to me. BTW, you got me wondering, could an Ampliphase do stereo? If both carriers = are equally shifted in the mod process, seems it might be possible, but the= n the PM for the stereo would have to be shifted as well...sounds kinda unl= ikely. What say ye, engineers? --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-= hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:15 AM > Despite the technical inaccuracies that you're telling > us about, it is still a very well-written story & > definitely brings the passion.=A0 I'm finding other > information elsewhere.=A0 It seems XER was on 840 but also > 735 & possibly 665.=A0 I think you're correct about > XERA & XERF not being related.=A0 I seem to remember XERF > was started by Arturo Gonzalez.=A0 I don't remember if he > worked for XER/XERA though.=A0 Now, THE question to get it on > topic: did XERF ever use an A.M. stereo system.=A0 Supposedly > XETRA used Kahn as far back as the '60s. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell > wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:00 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Ah, but since that was written, they have > jumped back to 100 kW.! >=20 > Got a recording of them doing the full legal ID about a > year and a half ago..."en amplitud modulato, > transmitedo con cien mil watts de potencia". Just a > week ago, they were pounding in here in the Detroit area > pretty good, even covering up that pesky talker in Flint. I > thought it was just a good sky, but checking other sure > bets, I found it was only an average sky...they were > definitely running some juice down there! >=20 >=20 >=20 > That story on Ominous Valve is pretty funny, but there are > a couple flaws:=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > RCA and WLW engineers had nothing to do with XERA's > monster...it was the creation of James Weldon, who went on > to found Continental Electronics, and unlike WLW, there was > no modulation iron, it was the first use of a Doherty final > and screen-mod at high power levels. (RCA DID build the > Amplifuzz 250 kW. for XERF, though.)=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Also, XERF was not related to XERA, they were two seperate > companies, but XERF DID use the old XERA building for a > while, until their new one was finished. I had hoped to go > down there and look around on ye olde hallowed ground, maybe > get some pix, but I've since heard they finally leveled > the old building...what a waste, it was very attractive.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Ah, the legends, the corona, the craziness... I MISS the > border blasters! >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: JNR >=20 > > Subject: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: "AMSF" com>, "ABDX" >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 AM >=20 > > For those of you who mourn the real clear-channel > A.M.s, >=20 > > here's a fun read: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > http://www.ominous- valve.com/ xerf.html >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW day & >=20 > > night. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > 73, >=20 > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:26:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93015 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:26:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:26:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.234) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:26:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86907 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:26:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lhrryFEVM1l.hEQwBj7k2FrlAaKy5eiUoo38MGQMPFSXMlquGxptqNy9b6c2tMFA_HoN7HZ6ZLdhX4xKQgGUUAbJzlM6cKtsLmyVyUbfPB4a.5pjWqMv_m.KaTGu9OxsIHxFd3tPL_OQFoUrEwyyMiGizltiHNYErgJu4zRJqc.dUL91IxE7_zv2_eA- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:26:54 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:26:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <681087.16768.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <826042.86495.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=aXolZKPrpMeQeZgwiffhWBBmgIhITrzRzTfuyerau7MXQ-6uDbQb X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sadly I've never heard an XE here in Rhode Island but I did in Florida.=A0 = XEQOO/1050 would always come in on Saturday nights/Sunday mornings with "Di= sco Nights".=A0 Or, as the announcer said, "Deeskoh nights!" --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:05 AM =20=20=20=20 There format as of a few weeks ago seemed (at night anyway) to = be call-in talk shows, with some Tejano musical breaks. I had them for near= ly an hour, didn't hear much else, except for a little girl singing "1570, = XERF" in Spanish. --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 10:41 PM > On Dec 1, 2008, at 9:06 PM, JNR wrote: >=20 > > I heard they no longer have their authorization for > 250kW. They can=20=20 > > only go to Mexican legal max now or something. I know > in Mexico=20=20 > > it's 100kW-D/50kW- N. >=20 >=20 > XERF-AM 1570 kHz > Cd.Acuna, Coahuila >=20 > Station Format: Unknown Format >=20=20=20=09=20=09 > Website: none >=20 >=20 >=20 > XERF-AM Technical Info: > Status Mexican Radio Station > Area of Coverage View Daytime Coverage Map,View Nighttime > Coverage Map > Hours of Operation Unlimited > Antenna Mode Non-Directional - 1 Pattern > Power 250,000 Watts > Number of Towers 1 > Transmitter Location 29=B0 21' 00" N, 101=B0 > 01' 60" W > Last FCC Update June 08 2001 >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:29:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93754 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:29:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:29:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:29:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3535 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:29:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sHsZ1KcVM1nFjT.ryUWpn2FQwAicTNYYWcS1.9lmeC_zPpEoyNz3hcYpdlOyKbYjHeAMFYv2Wx78hbuTH1Gvwe3MefOR7csoRg4sACBdYgu3BombN9MhdSBbSJPcZkyRXoEZGjSFxOHVpkh__YqmC.TWsaiV2YMTqefBap3bATh.yeJSJMXCDdJBAFY- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:29:48 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:29:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <527924.3320.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=EzI9CnnAp_K9_obLjrlHnlG_hf-Q0T79sjQLjAg4NvjE8OH7BjAK X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm gonna leave it up to the engineers here.=A0 That's a bit out of my leag= ue but there IS a page about the old WLKW Ampliphase which sadly burned up = in 1985 because of a cooling fan. By the way, trying for XEG was what got me to hear XEQOO on the same freque= ncy. If you use a computer with a number keypad on the side, try hitting ALT-168= or something like that.=A0 One of those will bring up the n with the tile = above it.=A0 ALT-155 is the cents sign, ALT-171 is a half sign & ALT-172 is= a one-quarter sign.=A0 More useless factoids! --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-he= e-koh To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:25 AM =20=20=20=20 Yes, Kahn was first put to real power on XETRA, in the 60's. No= t the first time somebody crossed the border to do what they were not allow= ed to here! XERF was never stereo, XEROK was to try it, don't know that they ever actua= lly did. XEG in Monterrey is still C-QUAM, at 100 kW, according to their we= bsite, but the internet stream sounds kinda mono to me. BTW, you got me wondering, could an Ampliphase do stereo? If both carriers = are equally shifted in the mod process, seems it might be possible, but the= n the PM for the stereo would have to be shifted as well...sounds kinda unl= ikely. What say ye, engineers? --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-= hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:15 AM > Despite the technical inaccuracies that you're telling > us about, it is still a very well-written story & > definitely brings the passion.=A0 I'm finding other > information elsewhere.=A0 It seems XER was on 840 but also > 735 & possibly 665.=A0 I think you're correct about > XERA & XERF not being related.=A0 I seem to remember XERF > was started by Arturo Gonzalez.=A0 I don't remember if he > worked for XER/XERA though.=A0 Now, THE question to get it on > topic: did XERF ever use an A.M. stereo system.=A0 Supposedly > XETRA used Kahn as far back as the '60s. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell > wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:00 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Ah, but since that was written, they have > jumped back to 100 kW.! >=20 > Got a recording of them doing the full legal ID about a > year and a half ago..."en amplitud modulato, > transmitedo con cien mil watts de potencia". Just a > week ago, they were pounding in here in the Detroit area > pretty good, even covering up that pesky talker in Flint. I > thought it was just a good sky, but checking other sure > bets, I found it was only an average sky...they were > definitely running some juice down there! >=20 >=20 >=20 > That story on Ominous Valve is pretty funny, but there are > a couple flaws:=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > RCA and WLW engineers had nothing to do with XERA's > monster...it was the creation of James Weldon, who went on > to found Continental Electronics, and unlike WLW, there was > no modulation iron, it was the first use of a Doherty final > and screen-mod at high power levels. (RCA DID build the > Amplifuzz 250 kW. for XERF, though.)=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Also, XERF was not related to XERA, they were two seperate > companies, but XERF DID use the old XERA building for a > while, until their new one was finished. I had hoped to go > down there and look around on ye olde hallowed ground, maybe > get some pix, but I've since heard they finally leveled > the old building...what a waste, it was very attractive.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Ah, the legends, the corona, the craziness... I MISS the > border blasters! >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: JNR >=20 > > Subject: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: "AMSF" com>, "ABDX" >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 AM >=20 > > For those of you who mourn the real clear-channel > A.M.s, >=20 > > here's a fun read: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > http://www.ominous- valve.com/ xerf.html >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW day & >=20 > > night. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > 73, >=20 > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:33:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27503 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:33:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:33:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30882 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:33:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VRGx.H0VM1mPDqCFmJO3FnktW9xWuRg.P_TO5xKIoDDTuAh.St12mTPhw2V8KmCmNeCmKpAnc9_P3o6JTjNqJ2ZnYQ_nTuGPjc6y6QOv0YpmwO7shERgLRZJYs23OHby.kN1qp4Wb6dvb51d5L3fTGLfGRQ6KMeus5h57Gv2aW15Ts.sDT3g64PtdcMW X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:33:02 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:33:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <741141.74082.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <743356.30602.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=rNDD-elSLhHOfdr1vpJNkAygSvBHG9XUtGBQ6jWeTBJeWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 They DID say SUN City Rocker. Did you get that aircheck from Reelradio by a= ny chance? They also used to frequently mention their night time=20 sky wave, like when they would take a request from a couple thousand miles = away. They even openly invited QSL reports to "The International Favorite, = XEROK, EL Paso" Damn, I gotta go get a tissue, you guys are making me choke up with all the= se memories! --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-yo= u-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:18 AM > One of my fave airchecks is from XEROK from 1977-1980.=A0 > X-ROCK 80!=A0 THE SAND CITY ROCKER!=A0 I originally thought > they said the "Sun City Rocker" which I liked > better.=A0 Mind you, this is radio from the time I was born > (1979)!=A0 Nothing like hearing Ted Nugent & The George > Baker Selection on the same recording.=A0 Female voice in > Spanish: "Equis Eh Ere Oh Ka!=A0 Ciudad Juarez, > Meh-hee-koh!"=A0 Male voice in English: "X-ROCK > 80!=A0 With the MOST hit music!=A0 Most hit music!=A0 > MOST...HIT...MUSIC!" >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell > wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere > efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:12 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Yup, and when I am about 90 miles north of > CKLW, they often block it out! >=20 > Granted, CK's got a directional null in that direction, > but then Juarez is a LOT farther away from here than > Windsor. Had a format called Radio Canon...sorry, I > can't figure out how to put that little thingy over the > "N", but it's there :>) >=20 > BTW, unless they just bought the 150 k., they actually have > 3 Harris Destiny 50 kW. boxes, but can run them together > when the mood suits them. >=20 > (Wish it would suit them to lease it out as a top-40 > again...sigh! ) >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Possum Hunter gmail.com> wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: Possum Hunter >=20 > > Subject: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh > ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Cc: abDX@yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:53 AM >=20 > > On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:18 AM, JNR wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > For those of you who mourn the real clear-channel > A.M. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Another Border Blaster that has come back from the > dead is >=20 > > XEROK 800.=20=20 >=20 > > They have a spiffy new Harris 150 KW rig and is >=20 > > Mexico's first station=20=20 >=20 > > to broadcast in AM HD-Radio. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Kevin in Upstate SC >=20 > > KJ4HYD >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:34:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53589 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:34:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:34:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38757 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:34:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YCoDEikVM1mdZnVilkI6uPYBFWEPYG3SnOqrFIb0p.MozCPojr6o7.Ma4o2J1DaSkEqdS7zQ1yfoRkpPs5zsreesSRAXHI7TSzb8gnRTijnXflPDet28tgVDiGOgq2FEZ4RC3ra0feweaPHSw9CrwL6bPYZEhtjYDYMVZLETTcuDblR2j50gdUDruNhA X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:34:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:34:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <809282.41911.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <804441.38461.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=XKBogbSvckUc7DOkQ5bkzGXxX40SqR5P34DdmPu8uWUvNA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Where are you located at? BTW, XH's are FM (or TV), so pray for some good = ducting, hah-hah! --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-= hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:22 AM > I'm political but I think it needs to stay off of > here.=A0 We were getting into a pretty good radio argument > about the fates of Class A stations in the present vs. the > past!=A0 Or, how about C-QuAM vs. Kahn?=A0 THAT'S always a > nasty one too! >=20 > Right now mono local WPRO/630 is off so I am able to hear > WSM much better.=A0 620 & 640 were just noise > unfortunately.=A0 I couldn't reliably ID anything there. >=20 > I'd LOVE to work on an XE or XH!=A0 All I've done > are W stations so far.=A0 Not even a K yet!=20 >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell > wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:17 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > You guys got me all salivating about these > stunning XE's, I might forget to make political comments > tonight...no sorrow THERE, I bet! :>) >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Possum Hunter gmail.com> wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: Possum Hunter >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en > See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:44 AM >=20 > > On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:18 AM, JNR wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW day > & >=20 > > night. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Limping my foot! They are CRANKING into Upstate SC > tonight. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Kevin in Upstate SC >=20 > > KJ4HYD >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:37:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13649 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:37:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:37:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35884 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:37:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BAOAGpIVM1nBMDWdoehwhdf_ThrDeKr9KqtUxdQSj4qoVSfFHXb6.cMlXNex2lmMWofAewGLxZJkw2hT_5yQFD1VHnWQPL_yQdhgkeM2qibwa.fAsJkxZI6HXKg2gSW3r599NivomcrG19RNjptgWt_IjK7qKpn74JTIN8KfjJAZLx_nEVfJWxUycEq1 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:37:54 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:37:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <527924.3320.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <64653.35795.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=AaX6P-uSVdiJFkT80k7m3PvOJH2ChNWOIAPdTJBJvmddCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I take it XEQOO is not a flame-thrower? Hardly a useless factoid! I have often wondered if there was a way to get t= he tilde without buying a keyboard from Mexico...thanks much! --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-= hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:29 AM > I'm gonna leave it up to the engineers here.=A0 > That's a bit out of my league but there IS a page about > the old WLKW Ampliphase which sadly burned up in 1985 > because of a cooling fan. >=20 > By the way, trying for XEG was what got me to hear XEQOO on > the same frequency. >=20 > If you use a computer with a number keypad on the side, try > hitting ALT-168 or something like that.=A0 One of those will > bring up the n with the tile above it.=A0 ALT-155 is the > cents sign, ALT-171 is a half sign & ALT-172 is a > one-quarter sign.=A0 More useless factoids! >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell > wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:25 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Yes, Kahn was first put to real power on XETRA, > in the 60's. Not the first time somebody crossed the > border to do what they were not allowed to here! >=20 > XERF was never stereo, XEROK was to try it, don't know > that they ever actually did. XEG in Monterrey is still > C-QUAM, at 100 kW, according to their website, but the > internet stream sounds kinda mono to me. >=20 > BTW, you got me wondering, could an Ampliphase do stereo? > If both carriers are equally shifted in the mod process, > seems it might be possible, but then the PM for the stereo > would have to be shifted as well...sounds kinda unlikely. > What say ye, engineers? >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: JNR >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en > See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:15 AM >=20 > > Despite the technical inaccuracies that you're > telling >=20 > > us about, it is still a very well-written story & >=20 > > definitely brings the passion.=A0 I'm finding other >=20 > > information elsewhere.=A0 It seems XER was on 840 but > also >=20 > > 735 & possibly 665.=A0 I think you're correct > about >=20 > > XERA & XERF not being related.=A0 I seem to > remember XERF >=20 > > was started by Arturo Gonzalez.=A0 I don't remember > if he >=20 > > worked for XER/XERA though.=A0 Now, THE question to get > it on >=20 > > topic: did XERF ever use an A.M. stereo system.=A0 > Supposedly >=20 > > XETRA used Kahn as far back as the '60s. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > 73, >=20 > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell >=20 > > wrote: >=20 > > From: george russell >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en > See-you-dad >=20 > > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:00 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > > Ah, but since that was written, they have >=20 > > jumped back to 100 kW.! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Got a recording of them doing the full legal ID about > a >=20 > > year and a half ago..."en amplitud modulato, >=20 > > transmitedo con cien mil watts de potencia". Just > a >=20 > > week ago, they were pounding in here in the Detroit > area >=20 > > pretty good, even covering up that pesky talker in > Flint. I >=20 > > thought it was just a good sky, but checking other > sure >=20 > > bets, I found it was only an average sky...they were >=20 > > definitely running some juice down there! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > That story on Ominous Valve is pretty funny, but there > are >=20 > > a couple flaws:=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > RCA and WLW engineers had nothing to do with > XERA's >=20 > > monster...it was the creation of James Weldon, who > went on >=20 > > to found Continental Electronics, and unlike WLW, > there was >=20 > > no modulation iron, it was the first use of a Doherty > final >=20 > > and screen-mod at high power levels. (RCA DID build > the >=20 > > Amplifuzz 250 kW. for XERF, though.)=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Also, XERF was not related to XERA, they were two > seperate >=20 > > companies, but XERF DID use the old XERA building for > a >=20 > > while, until their new one was finished. I had hoped > to go >=20 > > down there and look around on ye olde hallowed ground, > maybe >=20 > > get some pix, but I've since heard they finally > leveled >=20 > > the old building...what a waste, it was very > attractive.=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Ah, the legends, the corona, the craziness... I MISS > the >=20 > > border blasters! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR yahoo.com> >=20 > > wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > From: JNR >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Subject: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en > See-you-dad >=20 > > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > To: "AMSF" yahoogroups. >=20 > > com>, "ABDX" com> >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > For those of you who mourn the real clear-channel >=20 > > A.M.s, >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > here's a fun read: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > http://www.ominous- valve.com/ xerf.html >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW day > & >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > night. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > 73, >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:44:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97502 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:44:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:44:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:44:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7127 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:44:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QZP_xncVM1kP8jFFlxv3bT7QF4oYYGnwCwxI4gLxpMUz3z813CQ5ls3avXa1umCw_i3G4XGhQ8Z_EHYSM0EgfCuV6uC_onViI15Ydrn0cJirFS4HCYymEOIZ6540MfnJBbDpGnWYntwVN1HA0jesCWPcoxjoYm.jSADRne8_Rphv2sm3Mtpfm_0a2z8- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:44:48 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:44:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <804441.38461.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <236714.6461.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=RkkXw9Rx2nVD74ZS3ZW8vttQZXFeEH9RZOPiu5VoWZd3LehHEwC- X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable East Providence, R.I. 02914.=A0 About 2mi. from the WPRO/630, WPRV/790, WHJ= J/920 & WPMZ/1110 sticks; 1mi. from the WSTL/1220 tower & surrounded by som= e F.M.s. --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-he= e-koh To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:34 AM =20=20=20=20 Where are you located at? BTW, XH's are FM (or TV), so pray fo= r some good ducting, hah-hah! --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-= hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:22 AM > I'm political but I think it needs to stay off of > here.=A0 We were getting into a pretty good radio argument > about the fates of Class A stations in the present vs. the > past!=A0 Or, how about C-QuAM vs. Kahn?=A0 THAT'S always a > nasty one too! >=20 > Right now mono local WPRO/630 is off so I am able to hear > WSM much better.=A0 620 & 640 were just noise > unfortunately.=A0 I couldn't reliably ID anything there. >=20 > I'd LOVE to work on an XE or XH!=A0 All I've done > are W stations so far.=A0 Not even a K yet!=20 >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell > wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:17 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > You guys got me all salivating about these > stunning XE's, I might forget to make political comments > tonight...no sorrow THERE, I bet! :>) >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Possum Hunter gmail.com> wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: Possum Hunter >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en > See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:44 AM >=20 > > On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:18 AM, JNR wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW day > & >=20 > > night. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Limping my foot! They are CRANKING into Upstate SC > tonight. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Kevin in Upstate SC >=20 > > KJ4HYD >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:45:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65670 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:45:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:45:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:45:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45233 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:45:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 72zfAcQVM1l7NsiS8nRPndDn4_MQ5V9YaJAipAmeS83EV5PnaGmcz6yuGdHNC2.TMkrSq.D6mVdbzGfIr9byWI.6gD_v00LUdRWG00Aw2yaCK0gXhMmnRxKmnOBI_c17ezQWewNKkhupD1v9nlB.oCjUnkcubJaOCy7j506hQSHAW5wcnqIeYbn2UfXx X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:45:11 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:45:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081201.155109.936.4@webmail18.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <339907.44766.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=pBZz603lxQls2eSDRqYq3xmok5yvlRpmWhe7BTgsagiY3g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 That proves nothing...I live in an area that is predominantly African-American, but I am still Euro. Who VOTES Democrat and who REPRESENTS Democrat are two mathematically un-related variables...this is an example of how numbers can be made to say anything. --- On Mon, 12/1/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:51 PM > Study: Democrats the party of the rich > > Quote: > Democrats like to define themselves as the party of poor > and middle-income Americans, but a new study says they now > represent the majority of the nation's wealthiest > congressional districts. > > In a state-by-state, district-by-district comparison of > wealth concentrations based on Internal Revenue Service > income data, Michael Franc, vice president of government > relations at the Heritage Foundation, found that the > majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional > jurisdictions were represented by Democrats. > > He also found that more than half of the wealthiest > households were concentrated in the 18 states where > Democrats hold both Senate seats. > > "If you take the wealthiest one-third of the 435 > congressional districts, we found that the Democrats > represent about 58 percent of those jurisdictions," Mr. > Franc said. > > A key measure of each district's wealth was the number > of single-filer taxpayers earning more than $100,000 a year > and married couples filing jointly who earn more than > $200,000 annually, he said. > > But in a broader measurement, the study also showed that of > the 167 House districts where the median annual income was > higher than the national median of $48,201, a slight > majority, 84 districts, were represented by Democrats. > Median means that half of all income earners make more than > that level and half make less. > > Mr. Franc's study also showed that contrary to the > Democrats' tendency to define Republicans as the party > of the rich, "the vast majority of unabashed > conservative House members hail from profoundly middle-class > districts." > > > > -- george russell wrote: > You are right, Don, I didn't watch all of it. HOWEVER, > news and commentary are only protected by the 1st when one > has the financial clout to insure it! There-in lies the > true evil of the entire money=power concept that we have > been saddled with for too damn long. G > > > --- On Mon, 12/1/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: > > > From: W6YN Don Milbury > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 6:02 PM > > Gee. This video clip talks about A Rasmussen poll that > shows > > Fox News as the least biased of all of the TV news > > sources.(MSNBC is the most biased.) A Pew poll also > agrees > > with that same issue. > > > > I guess that played as you were gnashing your teeth > and > > missed it. > > > > There is news and there is commentary. One must not > confuse > > the two. > > Both are protected by the First Amendment. Once you > have > > ALL of the fact - Then you can make an informed > decision. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Don > > > > -- george russell wrote: > > > > Good Lord, I couldn't even finish watching it, my > teeth > > were so clenched! > > Sadly, many people will believe this crap as gospel > > truth...then wonder why anybody questions their > > intelligence! G > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Juan Gualda > > wrote: > > > > > From: Juan Gualda > > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:46 PM > > > If anybody really, and I mean really believes, > all > > kidding > > > aside, > > > That Fox News is fair and balanced, I am truly > > > dissapointed. > > > > > > This is a good example of being Fair and > Balanced: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN823dUu6KA > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:47:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86941 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:47:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:47:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:47:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99028 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:47:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6jPlWXMVM1ndKEC.psJ8PX415CJI9ETnsbkrg_W3b8aDBJvr8wPbkJ801OaN5CcB1yLZyzyeLr6hq94Jg6JoMkaOTHVT8GsOXu4BbdBFZ8KaDudXG.n479zF5qWYcSGBEHbt2ozXmSo7_dwH7JpZgxi0pdiKFiRo600P5PV1DpbvVwkD3HS3TzbB20Y- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:47:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:47:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <64653.35795.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <704529.96169.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=CIDL7qrTCnCCBdVx2rXE9PWIUK48THRIdxh_KAF6QNgjWKTNZquu X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think XEQOO is ~30kW.=A0 It's on the Yucatan Peninsula.=A0 I THINK in Qui= ntana Roo. No problem.=A0 I found out here about 8 years ago by Kevin Tekel who did so= mething with that one night.=A0 I forgot why he used it but he then explain= ed HOW he did it.=A0 Speaking of which, is he still on here? --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-he= e-koh To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:37 AM =20=20=20=20 I take it XEQOO is not a flame-thrower? Hardly a useless factoid! I have often wondered if there was a way to get t= he tilde without buying a keyboard from Mexico...thanks much! --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-= hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:29 AM > I'm gonna leave it up to the engineers here.=A0 > That's a bit out of my league but there IS a page about > the old WLKW Ampliphase which sadly burned up in 1985 > because of a cooling fan. >=20 > By the way, trying for XEG was what got me to hear XEQOO on > the same frequency. >=20 > If you use a computer with a number keypad on the side, try > hitting ALT-168 or something like that.=A0 One of those will > bring up the n with the tile above it.=A0 ALT-155 is the > cents sign, ALT-171 is a half sign & ALT-172 is a > one-quarter sign.=A0 More useless factoids! >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell > wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:25 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Yes, Kahn was first put to real power on XETRA, > in the 60's. Not the first time somebody crossed the > border to do what they were not allowed to here! >=20 > XERF was never stereo, XEROK was to try it, don't know > that they ever actually did. XEG in Monterrey is still > C-QUAM, at 100 kW, according to their website, but the > internet stream sounds kinda mono to me. >=20 > BTW, you got me wondering, could an Ampliphase do stereo? > If both carriers are equally shifted in the mod process, > seems it might be possible, but then the PM for the stereo > would have to be shifted as well...sounds kinda unlikely. > What say ye, engineers? >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: JNR >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en > See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:15 AM >=20 > > Despite the technical inaccuracies that you're > telling >=20 > > us about, it is still a very well-written story & >=20 > > definitely brings the passion.=A0 I'm finding other >=20 > > information elsewhere.=A0 It seems XER was on 840 but > also >=20 > > 735 & possibly 665.=A0 I think you're correct > about >=20 > > XERA & XERF not being related.=A0 I seem to > remember XERF >=20 > > was started by Arturo Gonzalez.=A0 I don't remember > if he >=20 > > worked for XER/XERA though.=A0 Now, THE question to get > it on >=20 > > topic: did XERF ever use an A.M. stereo system.=A0 > Supposedly >=20 > > XETRA used Kahn as far back as the '60s. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > 73, >=20 > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell >=20 > > wrote: >=20 > > From: george russell >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en > See-you-dad >=20 > > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:00 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > > Ah, but since that was written, they have >=20 > > jumped back to 100 kW.! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Got a recording of them doing the full legal ID about > a >=20 > > year and a half ago..."en amplitud modulato, >=20 > > transmitedo con cien mil watts de potencia". Just > a >=20 > > week ago, they were pounding in here in the Detroit > area >=20 > > pretty good, even covering up that pesky talker in > Flint. I >=20 > > thought it was just a good sky, but checking other > sure >=20 > > bets, I found it was only an average sky...they were >=20 > > definitely running some juice down there! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > That story on Ominous Valve is pretty funny, but there > are >=20 > > a couple flaws:=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > RCA and WLW engineers had nothing to do with > XERA's >=20 > > monster...it was the creation of James Weldon, who > went on >=20 > > to found Continental Electronics, and unlike WLW, > there was >=20 > > no modulation iron, it was the first use of a Doherty > final >=20 > > and screen-mod at high power levels. (RCA DID build > the >=20 > > Amplifuzz 250 kW. for XERF, though.)=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Also, XERF was not related to XERA, they were two > seperate >=20 > > companies, but XERF DID use the old XERA building for > a >=20 > > while, until their new one was finished. I had hoped > to go >=20 > > down there and look around on ye olde hallowed ground, > maybe >=20 > > get some pix, but I've since heard they finally > leveled >=20 > > the old building...what a waste, it was very > attractive.=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Ah, the legends, the corona, the craziness... I MISS > the >=20 > > border blasters! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR yahoo.com> >=20 > > wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > From: JNR >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Subject: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en > See-you-dad >=20 > > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > To: "AMSF" yahoogroups. >=20 > > com>, "ABDX" com> >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > For those of you who mourn the real clear-channel >=20 > > A.M.s, >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > here's a fun read: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > http://www.ominous- valve.com/ xerf.html >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW day > & >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > night. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > 73, >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:47:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85208 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:47:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:47:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:47:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 43986 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:47:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GNjdvB0VM1nHB931igmWjTCpKB1VD0qXIwNk8LStQrTFxUiMJ_zbV26STXF4K33gde1DRuuKN8z6F4ehVW_CvtCRZvKeAvuc6dcYJ9fEYm5tLoKBYs.l9b24ET2l26AImDTvMajNEyvSkKExpsUB6I6RZxVwutKbCcy1nV0Q8iTLN7x8G2wdwvu71Jmz X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:47:22 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:47:22 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <590931.43501.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=2OaZ3RDbx9-42bUPFh-uDcGC9390492LeNho4NmqUIlvWA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 To heck with Hanitty and Colmes...it's time for Kevin and Don! Seriously, you guys are more entertaining right now than anything I can find on 70 cable channels! :>) --- On Mon, 12/1/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 7:05 PM > If you Republicans keep it up Don, the Democrats will > represent EVERY > district because the GOP is paleolithic and ossified > mentally. I am > so glad you all think the way you do because it sure helped > the > Democrats crush the crap out of the Republicans in 2006 and > 2008. > Conservatives and Republicans are irrelevant and hopefully > you all > will keep it up so the GOP can become like the whigs. > > Kevin > > On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:51 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > Democrats like to define themselves as the party of > poor and middle- > > income Americans, but a new study says they now > represent the > > majority of the nation's wealthiest congressional > districts. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:49:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45552 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:49:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:49:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:49:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99525 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:49:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: g_qf1HwVM1kicAkgZHdIYTFslh29hsF5PqP5zeuep1zyIUUx3ZTpFdA4Woq.vezJ9WWotsZbffK6y8sNIPfBemhtXbiDYY1mvwnpUnrGqouRcuj_Vngcao4ycYVpom9WXJeYbzYQxr7PdYbdCfJtpdrNFa2oOAPDX5Z8Nf_pJSvJHknYtHD2vdK8y8yi X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:49:28 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:49:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <704529.96169.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <379324.99403.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=6zYgdVNozLzUZaczSal-RTKcaKoufMhB6nzkx0g5z4oKgA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Nice catch! OK, after all this talk of XE's, I gotta go hit the hay, maybe= with a little Tejano playing softly in the background...ZZZZZZZZZZ --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-= hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:47 AM > I think XEQOO is ~30kW.=A0 It's on the Yucatan > Peninsula.=A0 I THINK in Quintana Roo. >=20 > No problem.=A0 I found out here about 8 years ago by Kevin > Tekel who did something with that one night.=A0 I forgot why > he used it but he then explained HOW he did it.=A0 Speaking > of which, is he still on here? >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell > wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:37 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > I take it XEQOO is not a flame-thrower? >=20 > Hardly a useless factoid! I have often wondered if there > was a way to get the tilde without buying a keyboard from > Mexico...thanks much! >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: JNR >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en > See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:29 AM >=20 > > I'm gonna leave it up to the engineers here.=A0 >=20 > > That's a bit out of my league but there IS a page > about >=20 > > the old WLKW Ampliphase which sadly burned up in 1985 >=20 > > because of a cooling fan. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > By the way, trying for XEG was what got me to hear > XEQOO on >=20 > > the same frequency. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > If you use a computer with a number keypad on the > side, try >=20 > > hitting ALT-168 or something like that.=A0 One of those > will >=20 > > bring up the n with the tile above it.=A0 ALT-155 is > the >=20 > > cents sign, ALT-171 is a half sign & ALT-172 is a >=20 > > one-quarter sign.=A0 More useless factoids! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell >=20 > > wrote: >=20 > > From: george russell >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en > See-you-dad >=20 > > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:25 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > > Yes, Kahn was first put to real power on > XETRA, >=20 > > in the 60's. Not the first time somebody crossed > the >=20 > > border to do what they were not allowed to here! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > XERF was never stereo, XEROK was to try it, don't > know >=20 > > that they ever actually did. XEG in Monterrey is still >=20 > > C-QUAM, at 100 kW, according to their website, but the >=20 > > internet stream sounds kinda mono to me. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > BTW, you got me wondering, could an Ampliphase do > stereo? >=20 > > If both carriers are equally shifted in the mod > process, >=20 > > seems it might be possible, but then the PM for the > stereo >=20 > > would have to be shifted as well...sounds kinda > unlikely. >=20 > > What say ye, engineers? >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR yahoo.com> >=20 > > wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > From: JNR >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en >=20 > > See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:15 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Despite the technical inaccuracies that > you're >=20 > > telling >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > us about, it is still a very well-written story > & >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > definitely brings the passion.=A0 I'm finding > other >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > information elsewhere.=A0 It seems XER was on 840 > but >=20 > > also >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > 735 & possibly 665.=A0 I think you're > correct >=20 > > about >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > XERA & XERF not being related.=A0 I seem to >=20 > > remember XERF >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > was started by Arturo Gonzalez.=A0 I don't > remember >=20 > > if he >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > worked for XER/XERA though.=A0 Now, THE question > to get >=20 > > it on >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > topic: did XERF ever use an A.M. stereo system.=A0 >=20 > > Supposedly >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > XETRA used Kahn as far back as the '60s. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > 73, >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > From: george russell >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en >=20 > > See-you-dad >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:00 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Ah, but since that was written, they > have >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > jumped back to 100 kW.! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Got a recording of them doing the full legal ID > about >=20 > > a >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > year and a half ago..."en amplitud modulato, >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > transmitedo con cien mil watts de potencia". > Just >=20 > > a >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > week ago, they were pounding in here in the > Detroit >=20 > > area >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > pretty good, even covering up that pesky talker > in >=20 > > Flint. I >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > thought it was just a good sky, but checking > other >=20 > > sure >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > bets, I found it was only an average sky...they > were >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > definitely running some juice down there! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > That story on Ominous Valve is pretty funny, but > there >=20 > > are >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > a couple flaws:=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > RCA and WLW engineers had nothing to do with >=20 > > XERA's >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > monster...it was the creation of James Weldon, > who >=20 > > went on >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > to found Continental Electronics, and unlike WLW, >=20 > > there was >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > no modulation iron, it was the first use of a > Doherty >=20 > > final >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > and screen-mod at high power levels. (RCA DID > build >=20 > > the >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Amplifuzz 250 kW. for XERF, though.)=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Also, XERF was not related to XERA, they were two >=20 > > seperate >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > companies, but XERF DID use the old XERA building > for >=20 > > a >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > while, until their new one was finished. I had > hoped >=20 > > to go >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > down there and look around on ye olde hallowed > ground, >=20 > > maybe >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > get some pix, but I've since heard they > finally >=20 > > leveled >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > the old building...what a waste, it was very >=20 > > attractive.=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Ah, the legends, the corona, the craziness... I > MISS >=20 > > the >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > border blasters! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR =20 > > yahoo.com> >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > From: JNR >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > Subject: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en >=20 > > See-you-dad >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > To: "AMSF" =20 > > yahoogroups. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > com>, "ABDX" =20 > > com> >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > For those of you who mourn the real > clear-channel >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > A.M.s, >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > here's a fun read: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > http://www.ominous- valve.com/ xerf.html >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW > day >=20 > > & >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > night. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > 73, >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been >=20 > > removed] >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=09=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:53:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53734 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:53:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:53:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57799 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:53:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3cftiMAVM1l0nItDXh.CI2x44xpxZ.LSdvoC.9BXAmhNwwnGlqtQaU5EEOW2bLSy37wCbdhXioQZ5xTjjmOuoJhPsW62KtNaqx58W2lU5Wogq4EJdf5iC7G6tTdnACfY2eQ5OaMT12lTR8MNJbeeavVjhctkIr9roHd9EhnEwOxLZvikabQ36UVHF4pvSsszQB42AC9WVl5CtdQRfTdGbfLNpp.o9xPXvD_IZLVDIvFIBKNk X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:53:39 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:53:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <743356.30602.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <280861.56617.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Xj15KLb-SSi2zMSVMjhUJbhmi7MhnEqKgJH3mnjULmK3XpGjV_jW X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes I did & recorded it before it became a pay site.=A0 There's a screwup i= n the recording but am glad I have it! Glad they DID say the SUN City Rocker.=A0 That sounds cooler.=A0 Wasn't the= ir number (915)779-8080?=A0 They had apparently gone live around 1977 where= as before that it was all recorded because of some law against airing live = foreign-language programming (as English is in Mexico). Please stand by for the next 30 seconds while we increase power to 150,000 = watts.=A0 We'll be right back. XEROK- Juarez, Mexico. --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-= dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:33 AM =20=20=20=20 They DID say SUN City Rocker. Did you get that aircheck from Re= elradio by any chance? They also used to frequently mention their night ti= me=20 sky wave, like when they would take a request from a couple thousand miles = away. They even openly invited QSL reports to "The International Favorite, = XEROK, EL Paso" Damn, I gotta go get a tissue, you guys are making me choke up with all the= se memories! --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-yo= u-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:18 AM > One of my fave airchecks is from XEROK from 1977-1980.=A0 > X-ROCK 80!=A0 THE SAND CITY ROCKER!=A0 I originally thought > they said the "Sun City Rocker" which I liked > better.=A0 Mind you, this is radio from the time I was born > (1979)!=A0 Nothing like hearing Ted Nugent & The George > Baker Selection on the same recording.=A0 Female voice in > Spanish: "Equis Eh Ere Oh Ka!=A0 Ciudad Juarez, > Meh-hee-koh! "=A0 Male voice in English: "X-ROCK > 80!=A0 With the MOST hit music!=A0 Most hit music!=A0 > MOST...HIT.. .MUSIC!" >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell > wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere > efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:12 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Yup, and when I am about 90 miles north of > CKLW, they often block it out! >=20 > Granted, CK's got a directional null in that direction, > but then Juarez is a LOT farther away from here than > Windsor. Had a format called Radio Canon...sorry, I > can't figure out how to put that little thingy over the > "N", but it's there :>) >=20 > BTW, unless they just bought the 150 k., they actually have > 3 Harris Destiny 50 kW. boxes, but can run them together > when the mood suits them. >=20 > (Wish it would suit them to lease it out as a top-40 > again...sigh! ) >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Possum Hunter gmail.com> wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: Possum Hunter >=20 > > Subject: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh > ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Cc: abDX@yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:53 AM >=20 > > On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:18 AM, JNR wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > For those of you who mourn the real clear-channel > A.M. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Another Border Blaster that has come back from the > dead is >=20 > > XEROK 800.=20=20 >=20 > > They have a spiffy new Harris 150 KW rig and is >=20 > > Mexico's first station=20=20 >=20 > > to broadcast in AM HD-Radio. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Kevin in Upstate SC >=20 > > KJ4HYD >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 01 22:54:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51234 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 06:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 06:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 06:54:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66749 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 06:54:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Uh6EqvgVM1l1f3bBuN4aL8kEBTiadmy2sOfmErKzVEPzVeZpKkMhV8PK1poreCAiPOzPB3pBSN7V7O9PauBkVI8dt6nyNQNvpnCEEyU9lwVyxydga8QCmUX9jIIv5iz8DL.98o1WFCMQa67LiWNfZDx7nyV3uuA9SSJhj9ebK_kQikOK0RQ0w.t9aJaFhYYiusHgmcO.A6eEX6VzDuNayrpbTsdkQm.eZnzFan6madpinOIb X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:54:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:54:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <379324.99403.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <356911.66741.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=zXHk9KU4dD9HE05fNeKmC4U3NIFwRSzvVNIzY5HLEuJBAcYzVV07 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same here with WSM steady here in R.I. tonight due to no WPRO. Have a good night! --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-he= e-koh To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:49 AM =20=20=20=20 Nice catch! OK, after all this talk of XE's, I gotta go hit th= e hay, maybe with a little Tejano playing softly in the background.. .ZZZZZ= ZZZZZ --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-= hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:47 AM > I think XEQOO is ~30kW.=A0 It's on the Yucatan > Peninsula.=A0 I THINK in Quintana Roo. >=20 > No problem.=A0 I found out here about 8 years ago by Kevin > Tekel who did something with that one night.=A0 I forgot why > he used it but he then explained HOW he did it.=A0 Speaking > of which, is he still on here? >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell > wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:37 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > I take it XEQOO is not a flame-thrower? >=20 > Hardly a useless factoid! I have often wondered if there > was a way to get the tilde without buying a keyboard from > Mexico...thanks much! >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: JNR >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en > See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:29 AM >=20 > > I'm gonna leave it up to the engineers here.=A0 >=20 > > That's a bit out of my league but there IS a page > about >=20 > > the old WLKW Ampliphase which sadly burned up in 1985 >=20 > > because of a cooling fan. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > By the way, trying for XEG was what got me to hear > XEQOO on >=20 > > the same frequency. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > If you use a computer with a number keypad on the > side, try >=20 > > hitting ALT-168 or something like that.=A0 One of those > will >=20 > > bring up the n with the tile above it.=A0 ALT-155 is > the >=20 > > cents sign, ALT-171 is a half sign & ALT-172 is a >=20 > > one-quarter sign.=A0 More useless factoids! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell >=20 > > wrote: >=20 > > From: george russell >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en > See-you-dad >=20 > > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:25 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > > Yes, Kahn was first put to real power on > XETRA, >=20 > > in the 60's. Not the first time somebody crossed > the >=20 > > border to do what they were not allowed to here! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > XERF was never stereo, XEROK was to try it, don't > know >=20 > > that they ever actually did. XEG in Monterrey is still >=20 > > C-QUAM, at 100 kW, according to their website, but the >=20 > > internet stream sounds kinda mono to me. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > BTW, you got me wondering, could an Ampliphase do > stereo? >=20 > > If both carriers are equally shifted in the mod > process, >=20 > > seems it might be possible, but then the PM for the > stereo >=20 > > would have to be shifted as well...sounds kinda > unlikely. >=20 > > What say ye, engineers? >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR yahoo.com> >=20 > > wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > From: JNR >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en >=20 > > See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:15 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Despite the technical inaccuracies that > you're >=20 > > telling >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > us about, it is still a very well-written story > & >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > definitely brings the passion.=A0 I'm finding > other >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > information elsewhere.=A0 It seems XER was on 840 > but >=20 > > also >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > 735 & possibly 665.=A0 I think you're > correct >=20 > > about >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > XERA & XERF not being related.=A0 I seem to >=20 > > remember XERF >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > was started by Arturo Gonzalez.=A0 I don't > remember >=20 > > if he >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > worked for XER/XERA though.=A0 Now, THE question > to get >=20 > > it on >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > topic: did XERF ever use an A.M. stereo system.=A0 >=20 > > Supposedly >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > XETRA used Kahn as far back as the '60s. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > 73, >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > From: george russell >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en >=20 > > See-you-dad >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:00 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Ah, but since that was written, they > have >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > jumped back to 100 kW.! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Got a recording of them doing the full legal ID > about >=20 > > a >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > year and a half ago..."en amplitud modulato, >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > transmitedo con cien mil watts de potencia". > Just >=20 > > a >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > week ago, they were pounding in here in the > Detroit >=20 > > area >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > pretty good, even covering up that pesky talker > in >=20 > > Flint. I >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > thought it was just a good sky, but checking > other >=20 > > sure >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > bets, I found it was only an average sky...they > were >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > definitely running some juice down there! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > That story on Ominous Valve is pretty funny, but > there >=20 > > are >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > a couple flaws:=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > RCA and WLW engineers had nothing to do with >=20 > > XERA's >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > monster...it was the creation of James Weldon, > who >=20 > > went on >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > to found Continental Electronics, and unlike WLW, >=20 > > there was >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > no modulation iron, it was the first use of a > Doherty >=20 > > final >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > and screen-mod at high power levels. (RCA DID > build >=20 > > the >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Amplifuzz 250 kW. for XERF, though.)=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Also, XERF was not related to XERA, they were two >=20 > > seperate >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > companies, but XERF DID use the old XERA building > for >=20 > > a >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > while, until their new one was finished. I had > hoped >=20 > > to go >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > down there and look around on ye olde hallowed > ground, >=20 > > maybe >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > get some pix, but I've since heard they > finally >=20 > > leveled >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > the old building...what a waste, it was very >=20 > > attractive.=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Ah, the legends, the corona, the craziness... I > MISS >=20 > > the >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > border blasters! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR =20 > > yahoo.com> >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > From: JNR >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > Subject: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en >=20 > > See-you-dad >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > To: "AMSF" =20 > > yahoogroups. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > com>, "ABDX" =20 > > com> >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:18 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > For those of you who mourn the real > clear-channel >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > A.M.s, >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > here's a fun read: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > http://www.ominous- valve.com/ xerf.html >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW > day >=20 > > & >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > night. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > 73, >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been >=20 > > removed] >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=09=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 04:14:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54610 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 12:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.41) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.72] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:14:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 473170.89269.bm@omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 21378 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:14:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:14:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081201.175815.21443.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20081201.175815.21443.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:14:23 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=85OMnuNgTsykDLtYsyjw7FEx4M6Ppy0tkr13JvOAUFyvlDOl5g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > If you didn't take everything so personal you could enjoy life more. > There is more to life than Us Vs. Them. Isn't it wonderful that the Republicans are getting hammered in every way? Maybe life will be better for the working class and poor for a change. 58 Democrats in the Senate sure sounds nice to me. Today is the Georgia Senatorial runoff election. Wouldn't it be a miracle if Chambliss was defeated by Jim Martin in a redneck ultra extreme red ass state like Georgia where fundamentalist ministers tell their congregations to vote against their own best interests? I expect Martin to lose by 3 or 4% but I sure can hope for a miracle. I hope the Mexicans and Blacks come out of the woodwork to vote against Chambliss. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 04:15:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16415 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 12:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:15:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 356985.646.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 34415 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp119.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:15:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YnS9eY8VM1kyXikRZ2rKQ9CH06jHyLDneRX5cxD3rM.e0oZtNQqMp4joX3LSXW2iosxUr5Lf0QT9tWFRKUWAbzKBAeimmu0JDhjUMf0i4XiCh7tRqISiXhc8lofmdTm3kk1NpYlaSz2WfB9EIKIV8keJI8PObv8uQU06eA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <447793.68614.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <447793.68614.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:15:25 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=f5US3sE7K1q8MqtdKU4MsqCFBeOohaoB4QhERJVxIx8OYJAGwA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla They were doing 150 kW earlier this year. Kevin On Dec 1, 2008, at 8:06 PM, JNR wrote: > I heard they no longer have their authorization for 250kW. They > can only go to Mexican legal max now or something. I know in > Mexico it's 100kW-D/50kW-N. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 04:21:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75085 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 12:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.48) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:21:44 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.244] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:21:44 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp405.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:21:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 779434.75713.bm@omp405.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 35207 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:21:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp119.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:21:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PV4zW0IVM1loKP0CSTDdaR7CAz11T_7K.K7pysl0DZJSwvxisIm1tKA560mKWK0NQWvyxjvpW8dzB.P3Ngdxd1Anfu8tSQSXdxuvipB3sBjatXWqGq5UDoB4a7n5nFYLpZcyS_6e5A6s4ImTbZ.qCNo.iCmgBNZtMTl68Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <376646.94435.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <376646.94435.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1ECDB2BA-B4E2-42F4-96C0-8E650D4EA6CF@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:21:43 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=3rjL5lmuQ7vjQ9C-rp6JUXAqrBxV75KJ0uCf8MPkkWJ0JY-vLA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 1, 2008, at 10:40 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > Maybe they like her because she is so dumb. Who knows? I didn't > care what party she was from. She's just a dumbass. I hope the Republicans run her in the 2012 elections. It will even get better for those of us on the left because she will wreck the vestiges of the GOP until there is nothing. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 04:27:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89434 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 12:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.223) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:27:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 223144.11518.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 81137 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:27:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CgBzPU4VM1lBj86iwQvkQCIBL8AIxMaTExoziQn5faBIG9tyLZJEo2gc8o1JqSwgbcpCXRKJp2Gzlg4cvZPL3XPABaxpndNeNRLtQMjKHTR6D9ufyShceJXB9Q9epN9LoYKt4q150utAbkhhu6oZ5MDnIy4wVJwRAXrfBg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <124078.45921.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <124078.45921.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D1E997A-7400-4097-8CA9-E2634D795CB7@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:27:40 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=cig86Iw4kzGTSM8zbgjpYjm9dq3hoMkY2ljWncUGGg3ynwGU9A X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > They always talk over their guests and when they know they are on > the losing end they keep talking over the gues so that no one can > hear them. I can give you a perfect example in two words.... Sean Hannity. That man is a true and complete retarded dumbass. When he can't make a point, which is 99.999998% of the time, he just shouts over the person who just made him look like a retard. [no offense to those who are mentally handicapped I know they are smarter than Hannity] People watch FAUX Nooze to see him and O'Reilly. What does THAT tell you about people who watch FAUX and try to tell you that FAUX Nooze is balanced? Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 04:31:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88479 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 12:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.125) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:31:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 462872.75461.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 35228 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:31:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:31:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1gvsy.gVM1ntEDE823TRhChUe7blsynCuvJs72RY266xJNP2SttzK8KxUXfM4GrNKQLulJr7aH5_AD1udPzYGEsIZegIy8YkGYjBhjwoRSVwaP49R7LsuB9SwUcxIOJNIc3XuhwwPHTtQMWPhwam.L_q8Evecq1KWVIMIw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <945229.62392.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <945229.62392.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3DFE996C-285C-4284-8B1F-F03E562FE9A1@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:31:21 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.125 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Don is probably ok X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=ZuGYGCd-B6IAVC1JLGwM9x2uxEdQgomQ5cdRjAKnVDBa_d5s3g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Don is a good guy, he just doesn't "get it" just like so many other > republicans. If Don was here with me at my house, we could have a beer and a burger and probably get along great. He just believes what he believes and thats ok. I probably agree with him on about 90% of everything. I do know I agree with him on one thing, AM radio needs to be saved and I wish more stations were AM stereo. Don, I understand you have radio stations. If you do, tell me that they are AM stereo. If its true, that makes you a good guy in my book no matter what your political views are. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 04:33:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96841 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:33:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 12:33:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.162) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:33:55 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:33:55 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.246] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:33:55 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:33:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 419498.54934.bm@omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 56161 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:33:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:33:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: U1jZbNoVM1kUqMCEEJbsENex5JQ7k5kvBqf9kEf9X9SEJHG8l7Okp7g3qwDPnKOWPX0aFQWsAHQlugKt_tkEBgfkeGYJ_3EPjxgWR_u53DnISAmtknrXL46xunPioI_6WKg6aUEAE8OWbrxITHC8Ev2oI2TNSg1ZYC70lA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <689320.42472.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <689320.42472.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <053878B8-E0F1-4F43-9189-937921A194A6@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:33:54 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.162 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=HbJBdd5SRyYg_jpkTi2HtDMX2Q0pLQjxTCdOaqDfgwr-e4BSPg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Mind you, XERF is today limping along @ 15kW day & night. Jay, SCT is notoriously behind. XERF was running 15 kW because they had to do work on their antenna and grounds. Its fixed and they are pumping a lot more than that today. I understand its 150 kW and believe me, in Arizona, it sounds like it. They are pounding in like hell there. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 04:38:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4306 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 12:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.161) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.240] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:38:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 560559.12672.bm@omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 56811 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:38:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gYgBwfUVM1k9LOjs5BGcmA_JYV3HwViOdP4Wicjw5SwNxOqbdlrkQnrDP3FqZF0o_U0AgvhH37X.Je.Q0eEU7Evmtm_cuf0mgU3R_M5MjTESBingNJzxma0PsHXnUa_SD_.XoLizTs97p.nJ0moWWU0lqEfhYqDS5qzIJw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <58226F45-A5A8-41F8-A890-E6468EE3039E@gmail.com> References: <689320.42472.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <58226F45-A5A8-41F8-A890-E6468EE3039E@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <372350E4-EEB3-450D-9095-C7F0B3BC4546@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:38:27 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.161 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=W2zjL_e6I_lWufyRonh5FCwadcrp0p2hbRmgszzRou2PMJf7dQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla They are another smokin hot one out west. They almost blow speaker out of your rig. Kevin On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Another Border Blaster that has come back from the dead is XEROK 800. > They have a spiffy new Harris 150 KW rig and is Mexico's first station > to broadcast in AM HD-Radio. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 04:43:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91645 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:43:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 12:43:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:43:47 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.240] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:43:43 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:43:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 712126.6326.bm@omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 22629 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:43:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:43:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zuwrk0wVM1nhIx39qD3rHZz.CM6_9DWIWv4Xf7EDMhoLHFqY5vbLtSEkDpRP158rE4Ojs_vNWZZyORCj8zLe.Rp3RAI2ff4ySddVHN70MqWxD83Eqt3V0tGQ80CWbh5mfgNTpyrl7P5DQhVXyGg21T9FAdEW6b2Cw3KN7w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <34DF01F9-9F09-48A5-9A6B-1EDBA056BD36@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:43:42 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=wacpGpPVgb-tepJVqCH7b780SfVVaxSdJMvYU2NrLszB9_GUlA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Yes, Kahn was first put to real power on XETRA, in the 60's. Not > the first time somebody crossed the border to do what they were not > allowed to here! They are running a blistering 77 kW and in the west, it sounds like it. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 04:45:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38562 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 12:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.51) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:45:35 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.249] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:45:35 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 12:45:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 767410.15331.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 13334 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:45:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:45:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tgFH9TEVM1mB1cvUp1c1tJy3kBqO_OrwEBQ5txK06kup6xZqrZQVLApk_rvXwHazh9sn1vBV6dXl2MMgrbzRShZGAaoZDC.LhzgaO6nPv_h8ajXh.DM5J.puyVk3b5vsESkHeQdCpAMg4vJ0cNx.D99BjZOljw8U7Qd08Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <826042.86495.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <826042.86495.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A7EC747-FBC9-4BEF-8799-61763084D743@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:45:34 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since ev erything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=KsQHBe8rO8WQgqtaNcYIoiSIPu3miPF5SfaPl-psBNviVA8OMA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:26 AM, JNR wrote: > Sadly I've never heard an XE here in Rhode Island but I did in > Florida. Back in the day, up to 1995 you could hear XERF and XEROK on days with a high A and K indices. They were not common but you could catch them 3-4 times a year. At least I could in Middletown and Westerly. RI Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Dec 02 04:45:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9361 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:45:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 12:45:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f21.google.com) (209.85.221.21) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:45:47 -0000 X-Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14so3624599qyk.0 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:45:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.215.12.12 with SMTP id p12mr11375539qai.354.1228221947428; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:45:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.36.246.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.36.246.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.36.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm12532811yxj.7.2008.12.02.04.45.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:45:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <9355F478-4458-4B93-AFE6-A3A2F021CE5E@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <333116.18280.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:45:32 -0500 References: <333116.18280.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=RZEieIP6wzAtnCaOdp1iv9pe3_xcmh7GOhWaGPsxajfTiA4RAZe6s-uC2Tj4pQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 2, 2008, at 1:12 AM, george russell wrote: > (Wish it would suit them to lease it out as a top-40 again...sigh!) Yea, with all of the GARBAGE on American AM, I would LOVE to her X- Rock-80 again! Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue Dec 02 04:46:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5160 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 12:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173007pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KB9008AC249ZP97@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:45:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:46:52 -0500 To: Message-id: <8D1690CA60DB4BD585C6DA139E3B8951@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <689320.42472.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <58226F45-A5A8-41F8-A890-E6468EE3039E@gmail.com> <372350E4-EEB3-450D-9095-C7F0B3BC4546@yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=X_k18UHg_t3iaOlW8jL3liiJhAQkT2jsHxbJEJ8cpd3r0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the 1950s when I was growing up here in Tampa, Del Rio was a regular here every night. Other than being not quite as loud as a local station, the signal was completely listenable. The programming was like a combination of a medicine show and a religious tent meeting - very strange. Dick W ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:38 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh They are another smokin hot one out west. They almost blow speaker out of your rig. Kevin On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > Another Border Blaster that has come back from the dead is XEROK 800. > They have a spiffy new Harris 150 KW rig and is Mexico's first station > to broadcast in AM HD-Radio. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Dec 02 04:48:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15132 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 12:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 12:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f19.google.com) (209.85.221.19) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 12:48:57 -0000 X-Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12so432967qyk.20 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:48:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.78.21 with SMTP id a21mr11394650qab.82.1228222136677; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:48:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.36.246.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.36.246.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.36.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm12545646yxj.7.2008.12.02.04.48.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:48:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2AB329FE-399D-4032-A575-98AAFB29C219@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:48:42 -0500 References: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=v68IDfpEaQExVRIfvv37I6esDJ6vdBsmdkm5Dt9XEUJQHNZd9_rNixswi93Aig X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 2, 2008, at 1:25 AM, george russell wrote: > BTW, you got me wondering, could an Ampliphase do stereo? If both > carriers are equally shifted in the mod process, seems it might be > possible, but then the PM for the stereo would have to be shifted as > well...sounds kinda unlikely. What say ye, engineers? The 5KW was a lost cause. WFBC 1330 tried it and it sounded horrible. The 50 KW would work. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Dec 02 05:06:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52565 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 13:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 13:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f21.google.com) (209.85.221.21) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:06:25 -0000 X-Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14so3143248qyk.21 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:06:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.150.13 with SMTP id x13mr11423599qad.60.1228223184614; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:06:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.36.246.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.36.246.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.36.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm6206398yxq.9.2008.12.02.05.06.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:06:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <34DF01F9-9F09-48A5-9A6B-1EDBA056BD36@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:06:07 -0500 References: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <34DF01F9-9F09-48A5-9A6B-1EDBA056BD36@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=9v3XppbKy8_DYaGKoNR-1klIcNp3xFCQ_WYXadz4F2VvOpWCYBW4g-3pQ7MiCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:43 AM, kevin redding wrote: > They are running a blistering 77 kW and in the west, it sounds like > it. When I was a kid if you tuned your radio to 690 you heard "This is the Mighty Six-Ninety WAPE (Tarzan Scream) Jacksonville's BIG APE!" Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 05:30:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3928 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 13:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 13:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 13:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.64] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 13:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 13:30:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 127727.99463.bm@omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 29293 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 13:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:30:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wUCoxlAVM1m6yjmJ9G.1u3b7Py37jgmx9VcqmF9aMPKxrfDUOD6QN0vBA8HM4De3Bff3fUJFd2R43D4MyBQeCUSzVXnjVd_u7MDuutzhs2kJd49ss5EHVohetGviIvgYS1lzSZ6mr8s7pb71XuqkmMmqdqXkdWeSAuQujw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <34DF01F9-9F09-48A5-9A6B-1EDBA056BD36@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:30:30 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=EXDisymNO91toVc3rzlV02RY43IAwhH21zPX6C8q3gxXbw2_0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > When I was a kid if you tuned your radio to 690 you heard "This is the > Mighty Six-Ninety WAPE (Tarzan Scream) Jacksonville's BIG APE!" When I lived in Summerville, SC I used to hear them. That station smoked in even in Norfolk, VA when I was there in the USN. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Dec 02 05:47:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65296 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 13:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 13:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:47:20 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so599436qwb.11 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:47:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.43.19 with SMTP id q19mr11479575qaq.124.1228225640292; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:47:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.36.246.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.36.246.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.36.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm6274742yxq.9.2008.12.02.05.47.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:47:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <372350E4-EEB3-450D-9095-C7F0B3BC4546@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:47:05 -0500 References: <689320.42472.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <58226F45-A5A8-41F8-A890-E6468EE3039E@gmail.com> <372350E4-EEB3-450D-9095-C7F0B3BC4546@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=rqOaV25ik8TepuFhzxZJz1L2vNI0sTBGdS-ew0hLbJe9orvYvtIzEy-iGciCWw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:38 AM, kevin redding wrote: > They are another smokin hot one out west. They almost blow speaker > out of your rig. Many times here XEROK wipes out Local WPJM. When I was in northern MO, XEROK and XERF was full quieting at night! Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue Dec 02 05:59:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46523 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 13:59:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 13:59:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173007pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 13:59:18 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KB9008SB5GFZFF7@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:57:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:58:59 -0500 To: Message-id: <54C9F448BAF14D4BB38FE2297FFF182F@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <34DF01F9-9F09-48A5-9A6B-1EDBA056BD36@yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=9wIctUpbhlM6WiMoQDIqEjyQszILZwKrRoI8yJiBsgucRg X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, they would say "This is the mighty 690 WAPE in Jacksonville, saluting Myrtle Beach NC with 50,000 watts of power", followed by the famous "Big Ape Call". Each "salute", which occurred several times an hour, would name a different city in the Southeast, anywhere from Washington DC to Miami FL. Their daytime signal covered the southeast, with a super strong signal from Daytona Beach FL to Myrtle Beach NC. When I was stationed at Fort Stewart GA in the mid-1960s, and making late night "AWOL Trips" to Tampa every couple of weeks, it was interesting to experience the WAPE power change at sunset. In the car radio, you would be listening to the almost-local signal booming in, then they would announce "You are listening to the mighty 690 in Jacksonville, as powerful as any station in the nation", followed by the Big Ape Call - and suddenly they were gone, having immediately lowered their power and shifted their signal eastward into the Atlantic Ocean. I am fortunate to have a couple of short airchecks from 1964. I condensed these into a couple of one-minute clips if anyone is interested in hearing what WAPE sounded like in those days. I would be happy to email the one-minute clips to anyone if there is any interest. My email is dwtpa97 at verizon.net. (Change the "at" to @). Note: I'll be away from the house until later on in the day.) WAPE was truly a classic station of the rock era. It exists today as an FM station in Jacksonville. Dick W ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:06 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:43 AM, kevin redding wrote: > They are running a blistering 77 kW and in the west, it sounds like > it. When I was a kid if you tuned your radio to 690 you heard "This is the Mighty Six-Ninety WAPE (Tarzan Scream) Jacksonville's BIG APE!" Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Dec 02 06:27:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35034 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 14:27:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 14:27:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f14.google.com) (209.85.221.14) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 14:27:02 -0000 X-Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so3279461qyk.15 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:27:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.44.17 with SMTP id r17mr11534515qar.186.1228228021713; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:27:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.36.246.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.36.246.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.36.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm12782093yxg.6.2008.12.02.06.26.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:27:00 -0800 (PST) Cc: Dick W Message-Id: <75CBCA31-F0A4-463A-AE2B-F9DF7E667486@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <54C9F448BAF14D4BB38FE2297FFF182F@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:26:45 -0500 References: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <34DF01F9-9F09-48A5-9A6B-1EDBA056BD36@yahoo.com> <54C9F448BAF14D4BB38FE2297FFF182F@your4dacd0ea75> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: WAPE was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=d8f1uCY6W-xpHCmWLZG1D6ya622thYQxWPp3UXtSgO11dnl7EuqlbxC4i1U5dQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 2, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Dick W wrote: > I am fortunate to have a couple of short airchecks from 1964. I > condensed these into a couple of one-minute clips if anyone is > interested in hearing what WAPE sounded like in those days. Yes, I would love to have them. I grew up listening to the "Greaseman" on WAPE. He was a Shock-Jock before there was such a thing as "Shock Jocks". Oh GAWD he was so FUNNY to listen to. He would play Disco songs for all of the listeners down in "Zone-3". He had a whole different language of words he used to get around FCC decency rules. > WAPE was truly a classic station of the rock era. It exists today > as an FM station in Jacksonville. Yes, it is FM 95.1 You can hear it here every once in a while during Inversions. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Dec 02 07:41:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79089 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 15:41:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 15:41:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 15:41:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 15:41:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 15:41:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:41:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <75CBCA31-F0A4-463A-AE2B-F9DF7E667486@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.149.16.45 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: WAPE was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=wKCABCxsqRLZ0hOc5HDIn9TZDsxgDZnYR5UCIisvCUFqbWY X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > >=20 > On Dec 2, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Dick W wrote: >=20 > > I am fortunate to have a couple of short airchecks from 1964. I=20=20 > > condensed these into a couple of one-minute clips if anyone is=20=20 > > interested in hearing what WAPE sounded like in those days. >=20 > Yes, I would love to have them. I grew up listening to=20 the "Greaseman"=20=20 > on WAPE. He was a Shock-Jock before there was such a thing=20 as "Shock=20=20 > Jocks". Oh GAWD he was so FUNNY to listen to. He would play Disco=20=20 > songs for all of the listeners down in "Zone-3". He had a whole=20=20 > different language of words he used to get around FCC decency rules. >=20 > > WAPE was truly a classic station of the rock era. It exists=20 today=20=20 > > as an FM station in Jacksonville. >=20 > Yes, it is FM 95.1 You can hear it here every once in a while=20 during=20=20 > Inversions. >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 I love Uncle greasy. He's back in jax on Rock 105. I hired him to do morning at WGNX about 6 years ago, but it was short=20 lived as our GM was fired and the new guy cleaned house....but Grease=20 was on for 19 days ! LOL Juan From w6yn@juno.com Tue Dec 02 07:57:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17888 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 15:57:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 15:57:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 15:57:35 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVLYXYALWZ262 for (sender ); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:56:38 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDwLZReD9mcSalJWXfJY9VA4= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3EVPD2A; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:56:16 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:55:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:55:29 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081202.075529.27336.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:4277526421 X-MAIL-INFO:41832ef71acadeb74f93939a936b6ab79b6ecb4f0b9e4ef3ae3e7a8e47de1a8b0a3323e7d37a237f0a33ce6f67 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=vAacyq8k2oywd7GdAzoW9XTxAv_Ll_0UMSPkMaKy4g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn 4 or 5 out of 350 members does not "rule" as a majority. I didn't bring up Fox News - It was constant empty attacks by those who see= m to fear its very existence that causes one to ask for facts. Of course th= e facts never come, only more empty attacks.=20 My only concern is why if Fox is so inept and poorly run - Why is there so = much effort to trash this one channel? Shouldn't it die by its own hands if= it is such an undependable news source? Just as the newspapers of this cou= ntry are dying because they are no longer a convenient dependable news sour= ce.=20 The schoolyard bully has never been happy throwing rocks without someone to= target. Nothing has changed much.=20 Don=20 -- clemsonbloke wrote: Don I think you're outnumberd on here.=A0 Majority rules.=A0 No offense but= Fox news is not real news.=A0 It never has been.=A0 It's too sensational.= =A0 They always talk over their guests and when they know they are on the l= osing end they keep talking over the gues so that no one can hear them.=A0 = If you think Fox is fair and balanced then you are in some serious need of = psychological help.=A0=20 =A0 =A0 --- On Mon, 12/1/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: More opinion but no facts! -- clemsonbloke wrote: Well ill tell you then.=A0 Yes I've watched it and yes it's true.=A0 It sho= uld be called the republican indoctrination and brain washing network. =A0 --- On Sat, 11/29/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: We hear these claims over and over but never anything to back up the charge= s. I have a friend who says the very same things but freely admits he has n= ever watched the channel. Strange. Don -- kevin redding wrote: Their motto should be "Fear and UNbalanced. We report and decide.=20 FAUX Nooze." Kevin =20 From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 02 08:03:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55955 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 16:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 16:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 16:03:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99358 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 16:03:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Py8W06MVM1n0XfH1wh986_pLRTvwt._hvmNb27ZN3u7VZ0Ye9LLFtMlN.sWxq1pNGtFaN5sBpy14U30WWJ0m3VdkEFAvuYSK2SphZysIH_rOfukP2qa72sSWq8qA1t23391czPcfNHsjcVBz2BjM5KUdjAv5aqT.5BATauLDOM_TQ6g- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:03:06 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:03:06 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5D1E997A-7400-4097-8CA9-E2634D795CB7@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <866159.98206.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=hcLDxKPG6Xx0Ee2JZ2HNSK4c9bL2YLagBUo5Z1FdiRv88WDdwvWp X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh I know and agree.=A0 Hannity is one of the dumbest out there not to ment= ion that damn Mike Gallagher, good lord he makes me want to puke.=A0 That i= s ALL they do, talk over their guests.=A0=20 --- On Tue, 12/2/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 7:27 AM > They always talk over their guests and when they know they are on=20 > the losing end they keep talking over the gues so that no one can=20 > hear them. I can give you a perfect example in two words.... Sean Hannity. That man is a true and complete retarded dumbass. When he can't make=20 a point, which is 99.999998% of the time, he just shouts over the=20 person who just made him look like a retard. [no offense to those who=20 are mentally handicapped I know they are smarter than Hannity] People watch FAUX Nooze to see him and O'Reilly. What does THAT tell you about people who watch FAUX and try to tell=20 you that FAUX Nooze is balanced? Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 02 08:06:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96347 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 16:06:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 16:06:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 16:06:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21048 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 16:06:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: L7fWxawVM1lEdLemTu.J1IJPDFVzQXbUWsvz0ZcOJhdpIePFFL2LB2Z9au_ANm90qYqKYpPHUIVR4mn0.geauGpSDYJvV2DbUp6os.6FlbDaKhZbxaE.UnlMYuWWquxMfH4AFPdsO3sKVo_oT9wWz1Zpc3oGTILIaLxhOGDmiAF4.EU- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:06:34 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:06:34 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081202.075529.27336.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <757236.20962.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Ffs-5Yegi_FKNIik8sbHuo1q_w18wBtQfRjQSkrjFA7A6j1AZ1m_ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The reason?=A0 Because you can't kill state run media.=A0 It reminds me of = Hitlers state run radio network.=A0 Lets see he called it "the peoples radi= o".=A0 Fox News has been the state run indoctrination device for the bush a= dministration.=A0 It is nothing but Nazi propaganda in my mind.=A0 No diffe= rent.=A0 So sir that is why since you wanted the answer.=A0 You either tow = their party line or they talk over you.=A0=20 =A0 --- On Tue, 12/2/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 10:55 AM 4 or 5 out of 350 members does not "rule" as a majority. I didn't bring up Fox News - It was constant empty attacks by those who see= m to fear its very existence that causes one to ask for facts. Of course th= e facts never come, only more empty attacks.=20 My only concern is why if Fox is so inept and poorly run - Why is there so = much effort to trash this one channel? Shouldn't it die by its own hands if= it is such an undependable news source? Just as the newspapers of this cou= ntry are dying because they are no longer a convenient dependable news sour= ce.=20 The schoolyard bully has never been happy throwing rocks without someone to= target. Nothing has changed much.=20 Don=20 -- clemsonbloke wrote: Don I think you're outnumberd on here.=A0 Majority rules.=A0 No offense but= Fox news is not real news.=A0 It never has been.=A0 It's too sensational.= =A0 They always talk over their guests and when they know they are on the l= osing end they keep talking over the gues so that no one can hear them.=A0 = If you think Fox is fair and balanced then you are in some serious need of = psychological help.=A0=20 =A0 =A0 --- On Mon, 12/1/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: More opinion but no facts! -- clemsonbloke wrote: Well ill tell you then.=A0 Yes I've watched it and yes it's true.=A0 It sho= uld be called the republican indoctrination and brain washing network. =A0 --- On Sat, 11/29/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: We hear these claims over and over but never anything to back up the charge= s. I have a friend who says the very same things but freely admits he has n= ever watched the channel. Strange. Don -- kevin redding wrote: Their motto should be "Fear and UNbalanced. We report and decide.=20 FAUX Nooze." Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Dec 02 09:04:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66934 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 17:04:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 17:04:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 17:04:50 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVL4VTAJ49FWA for (sender ); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:03:45 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDztIg8X46ACkJMgzautytKk= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3EZH4BV; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:03:17 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:02:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:02:51 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081202.090251.27336.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:991948382 X-MAIL-INFO:53cd84f1a9fd2da96514d9f454fd955531d4c421f5543041 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=MNV8Wf2ZZyaWMpO7mpyiOUlHAkewvNvotuUuZUTFvg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Each of the sticks use Harris DX10 Transmitters. DRM or IBOC can be added b= ut there is no business justification to add either. Sadly there is no audi= ence for AM stereo at this time. (Sigh.) Don -- kevin redding wrote: > Don is a good guy, he just doesn't "get it" just like so many other=20=20 > republicans. If Don was here with me at my house, we could have a beer and a=20=20 burger and probably get along great. He just believes what he=20=20 believes and thats ok. I probably agree with him on about 90% of everything. I do know I=20=20 agree with him on one thing, AM radio needs to be saved and I wish=20=20 more stations were AM stereo. Don, I understand you have radio stations. If you do, tell me that=20=20 they are AM stereo. If its true, that makes you a good guy in my book=20=20 no matter what your political views are. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Dec 02 09:40:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31910 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 17:40:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 17:40:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 17:40:02 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1249955ywr.18 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:40:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.9.19 with SMTP id 19mr6935236ani.8.1228239601428; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:40:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.36.246.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.36.246.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.36.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm13329467yxg.6.2008.12.02.09.39.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:40:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <8239FC13-CA5F-4325-8C01-750932AB9548@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:39:46 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WAPE was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=A_L8nOqWTDTS9bZSdestWFmihavo4ZjV7gfmEH_HEJA3pKB1Xjm8vgl2vYFNIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Juan Gualda wrote: > I love Uncle greasy. He's back in jax on Rock 105. It would almost be worth moving back to Florida just to listen to him! LOL' Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Dec 02 10:25:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33058 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 18:25:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 18:25:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 18:25:05 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVL9LEA4XNV9J for (sender ); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:24:04 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2bK0i8ZCD4Hq8a/W/IXAG8= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3E54N7U; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:23:20 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:22:54 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:22:54 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081202.102254.27336.2@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:1142568635 X-MAIL-INFO:3eed451ddda4c4d4c484cd41a9c455416dc521c5c91974501db9fd90e4a0e5e0e0c9e07459a0a40c80e575043dc061090069 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Big Business - loyalty & money to Democrats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=5upRZPhyskqwQaFGu6q4k3ryriVOhX-4pjxOro__UQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE Big Business transfers its loyalty, money to the Democrats By Peter Canellos, Globe Staff | December 2, 2008 The crush of economic developments surrounding Barack Obama last week - fro= m the promise of a large government stimulus package, to the possibility of= a bailout for automakers, to the creation of a new presidential advisory p= anel of economists - may or may not turn the economy around. And with a cre= dit crisis of vast proportions, the economy may be bad enough that it will = be hard to judge the impact of all the government activity. But the Obama administration's promise of swift government action to protec= t companies and workers is likely to achieve one result that has been unthi= nkable for 75 years: It will make the Democrats the party of Big Business. The two major political parties have been shifting their coalitions for a w= hile now, as higher-income Americans move closer to the Democrats, despite = the prospect of tax increases on high-wage earners. The Iraq war, which uns= ettled global markets, and the conservative social agenda combined to alien= ate many Wall Street executives from the Republican Party even before the r= ecent financial meltdown. In the recent presidential campaign, the financial sector, long the biggest= backer of the Republicans, actually gave more money to the Democrats, by r= oughly $65 million to $59 million, according to the Center for Responsive P= olitics. This may not be a significant difference, given that Democrats outraised Re= publicans by substantial amounts overall. For example, lawyers and lobbyist= s, a traditionally reliable Democratic constituency, backed the Democratic = presidential candidates over Republicans by a whopping $68 million to $21 m= illion. The presence among the top-tier Democrats of Hillary Clinton, a New= York senator who had cultivated a close relationship with Manhattan financ= iers, probably boosted Big Business contributions to her party beyond what = they otherwise would have been. But if the financial sector split the difference between the two parties in= 2008, it will probably skew toward the Democrats in succeeding elections, = as Obama becomes the chief advocate of the Wall Street bailout. Such a deve= lopment would be shocking considering the animosity between Big Business an= d the Democratic Party that began during the New Deal of the 1930s, which d= rove up taxation and slapped new regulations across many industries. That a= nimosity continued throughout the Reagan era, when businesspeople craved th= e lower tax rates and deregulation of Reaganite Republicans. Since Reagan's heyday, however, the Republican Party has fallen apart in th= e Northeast and upper Midwest, home to many of the largest financial-servic= e companies and industrial manufacturers. Corporate executives seem to be a= mong the many Northerners who have bailed on a party that is increasingly d= ominated by Southern evangelicals. There are no signs that Republicans are going to try to win back Big Busine= ss anytime soon. Even though the recent $700 billion bailout package was or= chestrated by a Republican president, the GOP, as the party in exile, will = almost certainly coalesce around opposition to it. Many Republican House members were queasy about the plan to begin with, and= the fact that they ultimately supported it won't prevent them from disasso= ciating themselves from it in the future, the way Democrats voted for Presi= dent Bush's No Child Left Behind law and then campaigned against it as soon= as they had a plausible excuse. Moreover, an antibailout position would be pleasing to the growing numbers = of populists in the Republican Party. With Obama to blame for corporate giv= eaways, the populist lion of the GOP is likely to start roaring at any mome= nt. In fact, most of the party's 2012 presidential hopefuls - Governor Sarah Pa= lin of Alaska, former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, Governor Tim Pawlent= y of Minnesota, and Governor Bobby Jindal of Louisiana - already conceive o= f themselves as heartland populists, eager to blame the coasts for the econ= omic meltdown. Most of them are already warming up crowds with the type of = anti-Wall Street rhetoric that used to be the bread and butter of Democrats= . Even former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, the only Northeasterner and= businessman among the GOP contenders, recently weighed in against a bailou= t of the Big Three automakers, a surprising position, given his Michigan ro= ots. It's a reasonable guess that the more that Republicans become aligned with = lower-income voters, the quicker they will lose their fondness for tax cuts= and that the more that Democrats enjoy the support of upper-income voters,= the more likely they will be to abandon plans to soak the rich with tax hi= kes. Obama could end up resembling Ronald Reagan more than anyone could have ima= gined. Peter S. Canellos is the Globe's Washington bureau chief. National Perspect= ive is his weekly analysis of events in the capital and beyond. He can be r= eached at canellos@globe.com. =20 =A9 Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company -- clemsonbloke wrote: Don I think you're outnumberd on here.=A0 Majority rules.=A0 No offense but= Fox news is not real news.=A0 It never has been.=A0 It's too sensational.= =A0 They always talk over their guests and when they know they are on the l= osing end they keep talking over the gues so that no one can hear them.=A0 = If you think Fox is fair and balanced then you are in some serious need of = psychological help.=A0=20 =A0 =A0 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 12:41:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97510 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 20:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 20:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 20:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 20:41:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.95] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 20:41:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:41:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011301c9541d$1e58f160$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.65 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A new IBOC meaning X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Db5FQzOBjIpUSkQ8vro9fvKeA2jb0MiSg_MGv5dSQ82poZAxzg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Actually this one is not true. You can get equivalent coverage=20 for no more than 25% of the analog power. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 Are you kidding? The digital signal (or bzzzzzzzzzzzz noise) is -10 DB (or 10% MOD).=20 When you are less than 10 km (around 6 miles), without buildings,=20 tunnels, high power lines or any other typical AM noise contributor,=20 you don't have any noticeable problem. But when you are more than 20=20 km (around 13 miles)... you just have a good mess!!! So, you need, at least, 10 times power to get the same area you get=20 with a simple analog signal. In my case, if I JUST can pay my bill with 1 KW... How could to do=20 it if I need 10 times power? And, I have to add in my special case, the local geographyc media=20 doesn't help me at all!!! So... LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue Dec 02 12:42:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43418 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 20:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 20:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173003pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 20:42:55 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KB900AZEO6VBQV5@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:42:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:42:26 -0500 To: Message-id: <1B3759381F414CB3A9A1FD5AE22B325A@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <34DF01F9-9F09-48A5-9A6B-1EDBA056BD36@yahoo.com> <54C9F448BAF14D4BB38FE2297FFF182F@your4dacd0ea75> <75CBCA31-F0A4-463A-AE2B-F9DF7E667486@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:5:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WAPE was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=0FkBadrL90Vf0MPAGbkV3iq36ss63j1LuKP-pNFC5KkskQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kevin - These clips were before the Greaseman, from a time when the station strictly played music (Top 40). Back when WAPE switched over to FM, for awhile they simulcast on FM and AM, but eventually dropped the music on AM for talk. Catch you later, Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Dick W Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: {AMSF} WAPE was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh On Dec 2, 2008, at 8:58 AM, Dick W wrote: > I am fortunate to have a couple of short airchecks from 1964. I > condensed these into a couple of one-minute clips if anyone is > interested in hearing what WAPE sounded like in those days. Yes, I would love to have them. I grew up listening to the "Greaseman" on WAPE. He was a Shock-Jock before there was such a thing as "Shock Jocks". Oh GAWD he was so FUNNY to listen to. He would play Disco songs for all of the listeners down in "Zone-3". He had a whole different language of words he used to get around FCC decency rules. > WAPE was truly a classic station of the rock era. It exists today > as an FM station in Jacksonville. Yes, it is FM 95.1 You can hear it here every once in a while during Inversions. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 12:53:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70324 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 20:53:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 20:53:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 20:53:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 20:53:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 20:53:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:53:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <334513F5-1CD9-4B0E-B427-11F8C3FBB464@yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.65 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_ALxXyRHKi0M2AS7LPv0y9LDJknvvcaRcDenTctW4vRG1zxeLg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding =20 wrote: > >=20 > > I report who is still in stereo whenever I hear one. Lately it's=20=20 > > been KASM- 1150, Albany MN; KWLO- 1330, Waterloo IA; KKIN- 930,=20=20 > > Aitkin MN. Will have to try to see if WAQE- 1090 in Rice Lake WI=20=20 > > is still stereo. >=20 > From Nashville, TN west, there are no AM $ stations to be found. >=20 > That sucks. >=20 > Kevin > Today I had a very bad experience. I was at one local mall and I wanted to know how good (or bad) was an=20 specific radio/cd/usb desktop device. So, I asked one of the retail girls to let me use the device. I put it on. I listen radio. CD? Fantastic!!! USB? ??? I just have MP3=20 so... it sounds! FM? Confortable, not excellent. AM? NOTHING!!! yes,=20 no signal, no audio, just a few noise. I guess the mall has too much=20 concret/metal and the device doesn't have an external antenna=20 connection. So, I wonder... if it is the typical case in the rest of the world,=20 How can the AM radio win the battle? We need a war, a new WORLD WAR, a dramatic war, a bloody war!!! We need to relocated the AM system into the common people. But this is=20 not a broadcasters only war: we need the radio makers, the retailers=20 and... the general public, too. Is it impossible? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love. 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(big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp120.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:31:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2ctLNVwVM1loPqLgJomkFumnHmI9pioiRbK7KbGUmcMjhAOedlLUqBvYmkjMkV3Z8xF6g1nfeJBYBMIRGl7JZjKP0AtoOh4yrgnMNKLsV8Re9S4DhdOlHOEJU5uRH3FXtA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081202.075529.27336.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> References: <20081202.075529.27336.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6CF85478-3DFA-4A73-91B6-2CBF133306E0@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:31:06 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=5r11KDhrsP1BuARwNeE33rD7Ra9lYF8ydpYJN3Ogw28IMC9Hdw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 2, 2008, at 3:55 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Just as the newspapers of this country are dying because they are > no longer a convenient dependable news source. The newspapers are not dependable and that is true but the biggest reason they are dying is that most people get their news via the internet if they are under 40. IOW they read the paper online. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 13:37:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71042 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 21:37:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 21:37:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.41) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 21:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 21:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 21:37:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 578113.22275.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 85143 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 21:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:37:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5WEtEzoVM1nVA_kimT2.203Cv7jiMpOsm3UO1_BVhvN7V3n4B48w_ttw3M3nNIpz_cz8NOYbxp0M0yQH4QWlI1FKcLRg5Wft7U_DMr1H.uONEx9MOHlbPB_Nd4A.5qlMvSHyjK.SZfylStx_YPwxmo3Z2rxl6utzXwKj7W4sIHxDbGMqS1wIdNAHoQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <757236.20962.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <757236.20962.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4647FAEA-6A5C-4AB2-8A27-005E99D55F7D@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:37:37 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze example for Dandy Don X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=YK5JpHvF3mMhUfmLN6WOhi6k_tmGzxXh_AoIfHykj3tUWD-Sww X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:06 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > The reason? Because you can't kill state run media. Reminds me when Bush had all the brownshirt right wing talk show=20=20 hosts in the White House to give them their talking points and=20=20 marching orders. Read it all Don, you wanted an example, Scott McClellan: White House Fed Fox News Talking Points. Right Wing=20=20 Talk Show Hosts Who Were Invited To The White House For A Private=20=20 Meeting With President Bush Just Prior to the 2006 Election Are Shocked! July 26, 2008 =B7 Filed Under 2008 Election, Bill O'Reilly, Fox News,=20=20 Kind of Satire, Media Talking Point: An idea which may or may not be=20=20 factual, meant to provide the most effective attack to saturate=20=20 discourse and frame a debate. When used politically, the purpose is=20=20 to propagandize by continuous repetition within media outlets until=20=20 accepted as fact. =93I=92ve been here from the beginning, and have never seen a White House = =20 =93talking points.=94 =97 And I don=92t know anyone else who=92s seen one = =20 either. I asked senior management if they have ever seen a White=20=20 House talking points. No one had.=94 Bill O=92Reilly reacting to Dan=20=20 Rather=92s accusation that FoxNews gets White House Talking Points. 12/06. =93There were (FOX) commentators and pundits who were useful to the=20=20 White House.=94 Former Bush White House Press Secretary, Scott=20=20 McClellan, Hardball, 7/24/08 Similar to how the Communist news outlet, Pravda, and Nazi propaganda=20=20 chief, Josef Goebbels, offered information to the Folks=99, Scott=20=20 McClellan admitted that Bush White House used Fox commentators as=20=20 their spokespeople feeding them what they wanted the Folks=99 to=20=20 believe. At least that=92s what Scott McClellan now has acknowledeged. For those of you not as politically savvy FoxNews viewers, here=92s the = =20 technical way talking points work: The Bush White House told Fox News=20=20 what to say and Fox News said it. For example, let=92s say the Bush White House wanted to lead the Folks=99 = =20 to believe that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9-11. They=20=20 would send a note to Fox News and Fox News in turn would lead the=20=20 Folks=99 to believe he did by reporting it without letting the Folks=99 = =20 know it was actually a White House talking point. Or=85if the Bush White House wanted the Folks=99 to believe that Iraq had = =20 WMD, they would send a note to Fox News and Fox News would report it=20=20 without letting the Folks=99 know it was actually a White House talking = =20 point. Or=85if the Bush White House wanted the Folks=99 to believe that if you = =20 questioned anything about the Bush White House=92s approach to their=20=20 Iraq invasion, you were against the troops. Here=92s an example=85 Bush White House Talking Point: We don=92t torture. Bill O=92Reilly Talking Point Memo: We don=92t torture. See. It=92s easy. Here=85you try it. Bush White House Talking Point: We didn=92t lie. You: We didn=92t lie. Close. You see, sometimes, part of handling a talking point properly,=20=20 is to not say it=92s exactly as it=92s written. Let=92s see how Bill O=92Reilly would have handled it. Bush White House Talking Point: We didn=92t lie. Bill O=92Reilly Talking Point Memo: =93There is absolutely no proof that = =20 the White House lied us into war. That=92s a fact. Everyone knows it.=20=20 Anyone who thinks differently is dopey. And that=92s a memo.=94 See. That=92s how a pro handles it. Now, you give it one more try. Bush White House Talking Point: Barack Obama refused to see wounded=20=20 US troops while in Germany. You: Did Barack Obama refuse to visit wounded US troops while in=20=20 Germany? We=92ll be back in one minute to discuss this potentially=20=20 shocking disregard for our injured heroes by the Democratic messiah. Wow. You=92re good. You could have your own show at Fox. Now Bill might add that if you question his talking point, =93you=92re a = =20 pinhead=94 or =93hate America,=94 but the White House gives FoxNews guys = =20 the latitude to make their (the White House) point more palatable to=20=20 their particular audience. That=92s called =93spinning.=94 Like when you = =20 say you=92re a =93No-Spin Zone=94 and all you do is spin. In comic circles = =20 it=92s called satire. At Fox, it=92s called =93News.=94 Keep practicing. Who knows? One day, one of those White House=20=20 talking points will make their way to you and you could be well on=20=20 your way to a lucrative career at Fox News. Did I get that right, Dana? Steve http://steveyoungonpolitics.com/scott-mcclellan-white-house-fed-fox-=20 news-talking-points-right-wing-talk-show-hosts-who-were-invited-to-=20 the-white-house-for-a-private-meeting-with-president-bush-just-prior-=20 to-the-2006-election-are/ From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 13:38:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65276 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 21:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 21:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.42) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 21:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 21:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 21:38:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 78490.77540.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 85362 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 21:38:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:38:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4Jbe_XYVM1mx6n6aDg_PapVV9yeqztGrVTPTupUBgVWvgAGff1q2Y5DDxsW2iRwIVo6hj2gmeM.agIxBdbdnM6dRwr0NMfA.dmY_OWe_vFgxQFfNts1N42iePX.9Un6zXL8HyLC_A5EuoAn0M2VlgJUavmJOGk9lT7z0tA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081202.090251.27336.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> References: <20081202.090251.27336.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:38:48 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=m5b9d11yUyFfu5Kh6KnpRhg3iPu39EGovg390uEPVc3LBb0W_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Well, I have to give it to you for not putting on IBAC [in band adjacent channel] and messing up someone else's station. What stations do you run? Kevin On Dec 2, 2008, at 5:02 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Each of the sticks use Harris DX10 Transmitters. DRM or IBOC can be > added but there is no business justification to add either. Sadly > there is no audience for AM stereo at this time. (Sigh.) From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 13:39:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51452 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 21:39:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 21:39:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.222) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:39:44 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 21:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.243] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 21:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 21:39:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 714252.78344.bm@omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 85489 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 21:39:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 21:39:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TYIcUA0VM1m4ncoZ8SVNZE.s6sMMsiD9tb9y8XpBdUMSeMqoCZTrf6O.Dlz8kRiubLaTIW7N7_reKJLz06O0ZyVO6eowHRVsfuiL6xoTZ.FAL_6NUUHiYDKekMXDC74M.wFKTY3uHV2.QjY.tNCArdDf6iihLNowIJVPmw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081202.102254.27336.2@webmail18.dca.untd.com> References: <20081202.102254.27336.2@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:39:43 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Big Business - loyalty & money to Democrats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=mTH2fSMCWyeP6Sz0tb-B8qXNT3wyTQS6__y5yvCzsAt41CcQPw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 2, 2008, at 6:22 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Big Business transfers its loyalty, money to the Democrats They better if they don't want to get left at the station. Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 02 14:20:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7715 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 22:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 22:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 22:20:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69837 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 22:20:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YKUNEhsVM1kx.OeZJ0vrJ1Ghv5OYcDyVqPT9X0QH6ErjWIoUKEh1gBxo6L52tvrVTUdrb5853ognxDxOE2NAJNF6uEfxbuesmnbfVj68EIsVJCSzfYxm.WSO6mXIXkNvkpmkVTWqBi8erawHqMXj6DSOtW3WUHC_0uVvXHzkKnJ0qPs- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:20:56 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:20:56 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6CF85478-3DFA-4A73-91B6-2CBF133306E0@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <922205.66063.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=-wph28Wmx_hv6zgRQwmumaW6IarVIRU40AfNndfvS8-tLS4E5Zg5 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well and theres just no way a a newspaper can keep up to date since news ch= anges so much and because of the internet.=A0 Now me I like a real paper st= ill but I'm afraid their days are numbered. =A0 --- On Tue, 12/2/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 4:31 PM On Dec 2, 2008, at 3:55 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Just as the newspapers of this country are dying because they are=20 > no longer a convenient dependable news source. The newspapers are not dependable and that is true but the biggest=20 reason they are dying is that most people get their news via the=20 internet if they are under 40. IOW they read the paper online. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 14:56:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 563 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 22:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 22:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.188) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 22:56:10 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 22:56:09 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 22:56:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 22:56:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 877035.38746.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 37006 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 22:56:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 22:56:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TsNt6QoVM1ndcumjrqO1XOEIDBuKwp.oa8m4G6PjLi.61B8fCCjRWyQljrmfxtK6KeUrwJelqejO2IvUe9vCsLTR3UOwPeiUgd0NqxMGzPdLYEWLH2swEUWman0KMn2bsV06TUkMcD7ANJGWmimbf1xiMglFlMjSOfv_lA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <922205.66063.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <922205.66063.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <14C4AF9E-0471-4EB9-A47A-6E459DA20B8F@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:56:08 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Paper Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Ow7O_amAxoPjtRGkzB3TTUZRAQOhIz8ElntY4rcXGnKKk4VPQw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Well and theres just no way a a newspaper can keep up to date since > news changes so much and because of the internet. Now me I like a > real paper still but I'm afraid their days are numbered. I subscribe to two papers but still most of what I get is off the net. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 15:10:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56750 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 23:10:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 23:10:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 23:10:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80156 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 23:10:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aJ6bbl0VM1ll0iM2OcCBqc78TsaW7XS.Km55MIZCpd_x9t_ViI9SjCKs.TnTcSGJnsSpNgoHBmwaVF7gNIh3oEL1FMKw7N1A44GIKAphxCiY1uKwz3WYKwcVhh.NF3ZQ_VVWD2ld9jUQvkH7TOIgcPTtMupc3ielebVTmpR5FRVIAsDIZjF2ol.9AMTF X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:10:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:10:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <280861.56617.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <825854.76297.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=5nGgZCxh0Ul1Jx4pF6gvNBw0wHKzF4-9oDSL1ayWVOIqgg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh, how well I remember that pause while they upped the wattage! Yes, they used to record the shows on tape, and a courier would take them t= o the transmitter near Juarez. (Zaragosa, CH., IIRC. ) Finally, the Mexica= n government granted them an exception, and they did the show live at the s= tation. They once held a party at the transmitter site, and some of the guests were= given neon tubes. They danced around near the antenna, neon tubes glowing= brightly...I'd give anything for a video of that! That station used to cause the streetlights to pulse with the audio, an eff= ect WLW was once famous for. Back then, AM stood for Absolute Magic! =20 --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-yo= u-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:53 AM > Yes I did & recorded it before it became a pay site.=A0 > There's a screwup in the recording but am glad I have > it! >=20 > Glad they DID say the SUN City Rocker.=A0 That sounds > cooler.=A0 Wasn't their number (915)779-8080?=A0 They had > apparently gone live around 1977 whereas before that it was > all recorded because of some law against airing live > foreign-language programming (as English is in Mexico). >=20 > Please stand by for the next 30 seconds while we increase > power to 150,000 watts.=A0 We'll be right back. 60cy. hum> XEROK- Juarez, Mexico. >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell > wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere > efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:33 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > They DID say SUN City Rocker. Did you get that > aircheck from Reelradio by any chance? They also used to > frequently mention their night time=20 >=20 > sky wave, like when they would take a request from a couple > thousand miles away. They even openly invited QSL reports to > "The International Favorite, XEROK, EL Paso" >=20 > Damn, I gotta go get a tissue, you guys are making me choke > up with all these memories! >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, JNR > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From: JNR >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis > eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:18 AM >=20 > > One of my fave airchecks is from XEROK from > 1977-1980.=A0 >=20 > > X-ROCK 80!=A0 THE SAND CITY ROCKER!=A0 I originally > thought >=20 > > they said the "Sun City Rocker" which I > liked >=20 > > better.=A0 Mind you, this is radio from the time I was > born >=20 > > (1979)!=A0 Nothing like hearing Ted Nugent & The > George >=20 > > Baker Selection on the same recording.=A0 Female voice > in >=20 > > Spanish: "Equis Eh Ere Oh Ka!=A0 Ciudad Juarez, >=20 > > Meh-hee-koh! "=A0 Male voice in English: > "X-ROCK >=20 > > 80!=A0 With the MOST hit music!=A0 Most hit music!=A0 >=20 > > MOST...HIT.. .MUSIC!" >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, george russell >=20 > > wrote: >=20 > > From: george russell >=20 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis > eh ere >=20 > > efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:12 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > > Yup, and when I am about 90 miles north of >=20 > > CKLW, they often block it out! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Granted, CK's got a directional null in that > direction, >=20 > > but then Juarez is a LOT farther away from here than >=20 > > Windsor. Had a format called Radio Canon...sorry, I >=20 > > can't figure out how to put that little thingy > over the >=20 > > "N", but it's there :>) >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > BTW, unless they just bought the 150 k., they actually > have >=20 > > 3 Harris Destiny 50 kW. boxes, but can run them > together >=20 > > when the mood suits them. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > (Wish it would suit them to lease it out as a top-40 >=20 > > again...sigh! ) >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Possum Hunter > =20 > > gmail.com> wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > From: Possum Hunter gmail.com> >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Subject: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis > eh >=20 > > ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Cc: abDX@yahoogroups. com >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:53 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > On Dec 2, 2008, at 12:18 AM, JNR wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > > For those of you who mourn the real > clear-channel >=20 > > A.M. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Another Border Blaster that has come back from > the >=20 > > dead is >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > XEROK 800.=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > They have a spiffy new Harris 150 KW rig and is >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Mexico's first station=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > to broadcast in AM HD-Radio. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Kevin in Upstate SC >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > KJ4HYD >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 15:18:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24449 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 23:18:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 23:18:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 23:18:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54645 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 23:18:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Fnuh0dUVM1npytB9w_lA79q_Ovcmy7YnxyIHpUTtgZapIZwoLdrLzfSCOmmNLP_RR9eIOSTRpff4Rb38FhfgBgZC1UDB1lzzCzNRXZr4KlQJ0qR.InjcacSCv6qucBf_fZSVfAIp0lpOS1UXnsmLSmlng4YoQMak4S6vxyKnilfLc5Y9iUTlSpvoTJ1N X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:18:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:18:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9355F478-4458-4B93-AFE6-A3A2F021CE5E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <426480.53297.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=L2Q71Q0Jfh8pj84a9HJp67ibtLyyFxDiQnIkroqpVUfzyw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 With a lot of luck, you may yet hear them again! About a year ago, I read of a group of investors trying to work out a deal to lease the station, make it an oldies outlet, perhaps with the same old PAMS "Solid Rock" jingles. Haven't heard anything about it since, but hope springs eternal! G --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 7:45 AM > On Dec 2, 2008, at 1:12 AM, george russell wrote: > > > (Wish it would suit them to lease it out as a top-40 > again...sigh!) > > Yea, with all of the GARBAGE on American AM, I would LOVE > to her X- > Rock-80 again! > > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 15:22:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12294 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 23:22:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 23:22:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 23:22:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65491 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2008 23:22:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VPqA7vsVM1nN9kwSRp4awkbnUcCQFfzYt1oGIbfZlxzkj13YOjDyw9erwAhQ3wUeYxJ.8fCDVQNjr578vxOy4bMuetRBPIvzIhr5DUzTsKcpK5sg0DcrhHYjjSUtFvGIrcVhw4WCE8V.DhiNbLoMig2KIp0jkANkfBMeTWo1OrAEYXhsu5sS2TsnZKT6 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:22:32 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:22:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8D1690CA60DB4BD585C6DA139E3B8951@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <884333.65468.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=PuqyeErfDvlbJeaNST_gP1sGknNdoxx2xMsKBFCoE-IBTw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh yeah, they were the training ground for today's type of TV preacher and shop-at-home hucksters. Such notables as Reverend Ike got their start on the big X. Crazy, but sometimes the most interesting stuff on at night, judging by the huge mail response. --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Dick W wrote: > From: Dick W > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 7:46 AM > In the 1950s when I was growing up here in Tampa, Del Rio > was a regular here every night. Other than being not quite > as loud as a local station, the signal was completely > listenable. The programming was like a combination of a > medicine show and a religious tent meeting - very strange. > Dick W > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevin redding > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:38 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh > ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > > > They are another smokin hot one out west. They almost > blow speaker > out of your rig. > > Kevin > > On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:53 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > > > Another Border Blaster that has come back from the > dead is XEROK 800. > > They have a spiffy new Harris 150 KW rig and is > Mexico's first station > > to broadcast in AM HD-Radio. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 15:43:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53610 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 23:43:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 23:43:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.49) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 23:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 23:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.240] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 23:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 23:43:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 660212.94238.bm@omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 17390 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 23:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 23:43:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uHtVuDEVM1mFnk_OBqbrMKjXxVHjCjI.ZETSTriktYJmA3OdBpKhRSIgC9B__fO3lKfUvPp5OSi7cWE7fq0nEgTb8RCtVSheKUkKqAx4svd285giW38Qo8FO47w190QUho3xuvGrEmuNch0iovrEtqFRzPZcbiKEk9eEeQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <884333.65468.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <884333.65468.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7DACC7EE-18A3-41D4-B075-2FBA13D43FCE@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:43:50 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=0iRGOtmBXqw3v_r-KneEGhRUc9176solV62eCcl2sKtmSrnsMw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Reverend Ike, now thats a name I haven't heard in a coons age! Kevin On Dec 2, 2008, at 5:22 PM, george russell wrote: > Such notables as Reverend Ike got their start on the big X. Crazy, > but sometimes the most interesting stuff on at night, judging by > the huge mail response. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 15:53:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29424 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 23:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2008 23:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.86.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 23:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 23:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 23:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Dec 2008 23:53:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 399921.97360.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 22488 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2008 23:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2008 23:53:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HPera4YVM1kpA60BFHlhrne7Pm.kfm_82oppOq0T_SuRUdrzkiFRxkOSpk313WuGggJOrXuhGIPvClWaPFfJSoMbzraBQ2n5xxqcdhDKlXySKSRv86KuXlj8SdHaFTy2UR97zZSgJIFZB_GjHQMec5lFAcho.dU6cuaRYg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <884333.65468.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <884333.65468.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <455A2719-2C8D-4129-9962-B7C1F13F8CC7@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:53:45 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.86.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=u830eyYLfYhebhJWd3cTZAb-Fc7B65WHWdDMkrA8CqNEDqVXTg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Such notables as Reverend Ike got their start on the big X. Dude, you got me thinking about him and the yearly "Blessing of the Cadillacs" where he would lay his hands on each one and give them a blessing. What a whack job but it was sure funny to watch him. You should have never brought that up because it made me think of some goofy people who sent him money. What a character. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Tue Dec 02 17:15:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21832 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:15:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 01:15:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:15:34 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVMZM3AXE3DMA for (sender ); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:14:33 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9tdImPQve8F70TqffvPa7I= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3FVKTVK; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:13:34 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 01:13:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 01:13:24 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081202.171324.14104.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:4056790865 X-MAIL-INFO:37258509a5e990a5add140f0c0e974d0205961a930c075c9 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=d3_GYRJA5CfLeggK6rUnb7VjxH248jUM1vRefv90EA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn That's what the word "convenient" refers to. -- kevin redding wrote: The newspapers are not dependable and that is true but the biggest=20=20 reason they are dying is that most people get their news via the=20=20 internet if they are under 40. IOW they read the paper online. Kevin On Dec 2, 2008, at 3:55 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Just as the newspapers of this country are dying because they are=20=20 > no longer a convenient dependable news source. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 02 17:22:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99617 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:22:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 01:22:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:22:56 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.202] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081202192247001835900013.0) with SMTP id <20081202192247001835900013> for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:22:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <014201c954e6$06d36ba0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2AB329FE-399D-4032-A575-98AAFB29C219@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:22:47 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Fz65JUozSYk2mVsKrPWtOqc9f76kSy5UB3lEUQPuTnpz6amQA-ad X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's the exact same experience my friend Don Hayworth had when he was engineering KFGO in Fargo back in the early 80s. Had something to do with the differences in the feedback system. He never did like the 5kW Amplifuzz. 50s were fine. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:49 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh On Dec 2, 2008, at 1:25 AM, george russell wrote: > BTW, you got me wondering, could an Ampliphase do stereo? If both > carriers are equally shifted in the mod process, seems it might be > possible, but then the PM for the stereo would have to be shifted as > well...sounds kinda unlikely. What say ye, engineers? The 5KW was a lost cause. WFBC 1330 tried it and it sounded horrible. The 50 KW would work. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Dec 02 17:32:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33270 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:32:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 01:32:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:32:07 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVM2NHAG9PQHJ for (sender ); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:31:51 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5X+gXeH0fZOFg9Sw2Z5Nr4= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3FWK2XX; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:31:09 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 01:30:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 01:30:24 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081202.173024.14104.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 30:15:3038735895 X-MAIL-INFO:1eb984947d7d44b99d65b99d6519a924f931a539d5f9d15091a5a5d1d199dd4499f984c0ddc444bd9dd4cd6585759d6d44fdb96585c510b159e4c959e43005e0bde99035a0a0a054e0712539 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze example for Dandy Don X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=RUywFl8F2zzvpo2K2APobCwNt9ezPwXEHedIjDdAEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The posting of a left wing blogger's account of a discredited white house s= taffer that was trying to hawk his new book that went nowhere is hardly qua= lified to be called hard news. Sorry. Not even the lefties purchased his bo= ok. Don -- kevin redding wrote: Reminds me when Bush had all the brownshirt right wing talk show=20=20 hosts in the White House to give them their talking points and=20=20 marching orders. Read it all Don, you wanted an example, Scott McClellan: White House Fed Fox News Talking Points. Right Wing=20=20 Talk Show Hosts Who Were Invited To The White House For A Private=20=20 Meeting With President Bush Just Prior to the 2006 Election Are Shocked! July 26, 2008 =B7 Filed Under 2008 Election, Bill O'Reilly, Fox News,=20=20 Kind of Satire, Media Talking Point: An idea which may or may not be=20=20 factual, meant to provide the most effective attack to saturate=20=20 discourse and frame a debate. When used politically, the purpose is=20=20 to propagandize by continuous repetition within media outlets until=20=20 accepted as fact. =93I=92ve been here from the beginning, and have never seen a White House = =20 =93talking points.=94 =97 And I don=92t know anyone else who=92s seen one = =20 either. I asked senior management if they have ever seen a White=20=20 House talking points. No one had.=94 Bill O=92Reilly reacting to Dan=20=20 Rather=92s accusation that FoxNews gets White House Talking Points. 12/06. =93There were (FOX) commentators and pundits who were useful to the=20=20 White House.=94 Former Bush White House Press Secretary, Scott=20=20 McClellan, Hardball, 7/24/08 Similar to how the Communist news outlet, Pravda, and Nazi propaganda=20=20 chief, Josef Goebbels, offered information to the Folks=99, Scott=20=20 McClellan admitted that Bush White House used Fox commentators as=20=20 their spokespeople feeding them what they wanted the Folks=99 to=20=20 believe. At least that=92s what Scott McClellan now has acknowledeged. For those of you not as politically savvy FoxNews viewers, here=92s the = =20 technical way talking points work: The Bush White House told Fox News=20=20 what to say and Fox News said it. For example, let=92s say the Bush White House wanted to lead the Folks=99 = =20 to believe that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9-11. They=20=20 would send a note to Fox News and Fox News in turn would lead the=20=20 Folks=99 to believe he did by reporting it without letting the Folks=99 = =20 know it was actually a White House talking point. Or=85if the Bush White House wanted the Folks=99 to believe that Iraq had = =20 WMD, they would send a note to Fox News and Fox News would report it=20=20 without letting the Folks=99 know it was actually a White House talking = =20 point. Or=85if the Bush White House wanted the Folks=99 to believe that if you = =20 questioned anything about the Bush White House=92s approach to their=20=20 Iraq invasion, you were against the troops. Here=92s an example=85 Bush White House Talking Point: We don=92t torture. Bill O=92Reilly Talking Point Memo: We don=92t torture. See. It=92s easy. Here=85you try it. Bush White House Talking Point: We didn=92t lie. You: We didn=92t lie. Close. You see, sometimes, part of handling a talking point properly,=20=20 is to not say it=92s exactly as it=92s written. Let=92s see how Bill O=92Reilly would have handled it. Bush White House Talking Point: We didn=92t lie. Bill O=92Reilly Talking Point Memo: =93There is absolutely no proof that = =20 the White House lied us into war. That=92s a fact. Everyone knows it.=20=20 Anyone who thinks differently is dopey. And that=92s a memo.=94 See. That=92s how a pro handles it. Now, you give it one more try. Bush White House Talking Point: Barack Obama refused to see wounded=20=20 US troops while in Germany. You: Did Barack Obama refuse to visit wounded US troops while in=20=20 Germany? We=92ll be back in one minute to discuss this potentially=20=20 shocking disregard for our injured heroes by the Democratic messiah. Wow. You=92re good. You could have your own show at Fox. Now Bill might add that if you question his talking point, =93you=92re a = =20 pinhead=94 or =93hate America,=94 but the White House gives FoxNews guys = =20 the latitude to make their (the White House) point more palatable to=20=20 their particular audience. That=92s called =93spinning.=94 Like when you = =20 say you=92re a =93No-Spin Zone=94 and all you do is spin. In comic circles = =20 it=92s called satire. At Fox, it=92s called =93News.=94 Keep practicing. Who knows? One day, one of those White House=20=20 talking points will make their way to you and you could be well on=20=20 your way to a lucrative career at Fox News. Did I get that right, Dana? Steve http://steveyoungonpolitics.com/scott-mcclellan-white-house-fed-fox-=20 news-talking-points-right-wing-talk-show-hosts-who-were-invited-to-=20 the-white-house-for-a-private-meeting-with-president-bush-just-prior-=20 to-the-2006-election-are/ On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:06 AM, clemsonbloke wrote: > The reason? Because you can't kill state run media. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 17:35:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38712 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:35:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 01:35:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:35:00 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 01:35:00 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.248] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 01:35:00 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 01:35:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 141053.7597.bm@omp409.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 91001 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:35:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:34:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AhXTn9IVM1kraxYQaS9L9jMtuetBwX0NK55AsIvN37D_pe9a.3fWTcg1RxP6VvGirsMzg2.JJOtq5i1c4h6ujAqb25ezX_eZNlJD0VFjI2h3FhFPKFo7sk3sAPYBRCMUZT.rOxmiIUV6wwPSTVAdWZ7ulIESNWF2qZEdwA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081202.173024.14104.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> References: <20081202.173024.14104.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CA6DFB3-D48E-457E-B893-504C46983537@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:34:57 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze example for Dandy Don X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=7QPIvHkrOvzpgmCZaHoYO8gEbX2dwo0xpHeuP8ZGVAJ_dwXVwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla You are THE die hard Republican of all time. Kevin On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:30 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > The posting of a left wing blogger's account of a discredited white > house staffer that was trying to hawk his new book that went > nowhere is hardly qualified to be called hard news. Sorry. Not even > the lefties purchased his book. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 02 17:41:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84752 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 01:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.202] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081202194036001841300014.0) with SMTP id <20081202194036001841300014> for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:40:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01cb01c954e8$8487adc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20081202.173024.14104.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> <9CA6DFB3-D48E-457E-B893-504C46983537@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:40:36 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze example for Dandy Don X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=MFpmUpj0BLah-4BpwzsM3Zj-6GkX9iTAqgI3U3UW6uc0mjzy5wpN X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You said that already. You're getting boring. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze example for Dandy Don You are THE die hard Republican of all time. Kevin On Dec 3, 2008, at 1:30 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > The posting of a left wing blogger's account of a discredited white > house staffer that was trying to hawk his new book that went > nowhere is hardly qualified to be called hard news. Sorry. Not even > the lefties purchased his book. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 02 17:41:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80974 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 01:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.202] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081202194130001915900014.0) with SMTP id <20081202194130001915900014> for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:41:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01cf01c954e8$a4838b80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <864841.61788.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:41:30 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=fw4xxMjmtsmKXrJupJ-dU-PJ0b8C8I2RV8uqP-5vvzUwHMh_z1Yr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Except they use my money rather than their own. Joe Biden makes well into six figures and can't donate more than a few hundred a year to charity? Same with the likes of John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, San Fran Nan, et al. Meanwhile, the ultra rich and ultra hated Dick Cheney has given literally millions of his OWN money to charity. Sorry, that dog don't hunt. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:58 PM They never said they weren't rich. They said they support the poor and middle classes. They are actually the segment of the rich who care about their fellow man, the poor, and the middle class unlike those greedy rich bastards known as republicans. The republicans believe in the rich getting richer and the poor poorer. Those are the facts. Believe it because it is true. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 02 17:44:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33765 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 01:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:43:59 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.202] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081202194357002267900015.0) with SMTP id <20081202194357002267900015> for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:43:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01d001c954e8$fb6f6fe0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <902794.98467.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <861AC8DE-1762-4439-80C8-DF658FC1490D@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:43:57 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Since everything else is O.T. now, O.T.: KBYP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=2RF--N8HtPvGfV3fZi45RM0tPV88U2I9BO7ZK4-IhLwUiH-5mbvL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude I'd believe that. Been hearing them for the first time in years here in Minne so cold. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Possum Hunter" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:43 PM They have a Brand Spanking New 100KW Transmitter! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 17:44:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74377 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 01:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.142) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 01:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 01:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 01:44:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 502212.35756.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 13914 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:44:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:44:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5v60aqoVM1mrsBHjqRljKJJshJoBC.gcokxucXx3ztUPhTOjcywuZ8_TuJXAeriT0DmVFtuO7q0KnwIEYWzRKzwNAj9g7DbLGjGVkih9uawekwmWJ.uhvbrFnyf81D4BY3Doxv9FNY3SW1dSeRciTnOQXtiCQhl6syntNEvdHnCKnXjbyydOWwppsA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <01cb01c954e8$8487adc0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <20081202.173024.14104.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> <9CA6DFB3-D48E-457E-B893-504C46983537@yahoo.com> <01cb01c954e8$8487adc0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:44:22 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} FAUX Nooze example for Dandy Don X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Eayz3tyYXogWMv7b3FnPjSrJqaB_7OObDNuUJLcp1XhykfDkrA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Its ok, you are number 2. I sure don't agree with you but you stick to your guns. I have to give it to you for that. Kevin On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:40 PM, wrote: > ou said that already. You're getting boring. From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 17:45:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89995 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 01:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 01:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 01:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 01:45:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 140502.23977.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 81717 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:45:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:45:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: l4T9sdsVM1my8nCtu7pAsFyYwaAbQePPzAR0KJVwl8UTc9XM0RytrV_VWyrEF7wLQVQMpKSuSv6rXF5iOsKIs14A5LvOsva7woKqbaoItYNKQ0A7ZfynLQmLvZ21Grj6tbfSqCkF.oDfJD9IG_PAZHmSA883ilwTTmHIFkQT0WtK3HHmlXw5AjHHMw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <01cf01c954e8$a4838b80$d503fea9@stodd> References: <864841.61788.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <01cf01c954e8$a4838b80$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:45:57 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=hC6dmFFychn77tbSkOv4neNsU4DUXs2g_IexmUJ5aHojDEotaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Looks like the GOP spent my grandkids money and they are looting the Treasury so fast before they leave that my head is spinning. Can't blame it on Obama yet. He will get his turn to blow money but right now its the Bush administration spending OPM. Kevin On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:41 PM, wrote: > Except they use my money rather than their own. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 02 17:53:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53604 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 01:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:53:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.202] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081202195340003198300015.0) with SMTP id <20081202195340003198300015> for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:53:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01e001c954ea$570cb1e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20081202.102254.27336.2@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:53:40 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Big Business - loyalty & money to Democrats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ojqM35mIK78C94c-pssnADhl72EJj4vrsuj_kbJG-IgB2Swg2YUO X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, BIG business LIKES big government, and it's been that way for a long time. They're the only ones with enough fire power to handle all of the government rules and regulations while all the little guys trying to run a business of their own get killed in the avalanche of paperwork. I'd have to disagree with the author's other statement, however. Romney's dad knew how to turn around a failing company and this current crop isn't in the same league as George Romney as they're partly to blame for the current melt down. Mitt certainly must know from his dad's experience that government cash solves little or nothing. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:25 PM But if the financial sector split the difference between the two parties in 2008, it will probably skew toward the Democrats in succeeding elections, as Obama becomes the chief advocate of the Wall Street bailout. Such a development would be shocking considering the animosity between Big Business and the Democratic Party that began during the New Deal of the 1930s, which drove up taxation and slapped new regulations across many industries. [snip] Even former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, the only Northeasterner and businessman among the GOP contenders, recently weighed in against a bailout of the Big Three automakers, a surprising position, given his Michigan roots. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 02 17:57:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17521 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:57:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 01:57:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:57:07 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.202] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081202195652000293200015.0) with SMTP id <20081202195652000293200015> for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:56:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01f901c954ea$c9ba9ae0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:56:52 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=XlmzKcxPtQdUD-5MvVLUc7d4QO-BRl6Q-DEORSvAJilWW17iTXAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm fully dealing with reality. The teacher made the mistake first. The media hated Bush 41 and Quayle so they hogpiled on him. To point out the teacher was a moron apparently wasn't an option. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Gualda To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: FAUX Nooze --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Actually he knew the right answer but was too damn polite to contradict the idiot school teacher on the show with him that made the original error. God help the school kids. > > Scott Todd > Let me guess: It was all the left wing mainstream Liberal Media's fault for pointing out the mistake. Reality......try it sometime. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 02 17:58:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65502 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 01:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 01:58:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 01:58:23 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.202] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081202195754000382000015.0) with SMTP id <20081202195754000382000015> for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:57:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <020a01c954ea$ee8761a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <333116.18280.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:57:54 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ucEHWGPE8KfqZGkwR1tZWk1XmCEZUF_APm3gI3mOkNHw2DAjV15p X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =F1 is ALT + 164 ST ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:13 AM sorry, I can't figure out how to put that little thingy over the "N", but= it's there=20=20 =20=20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 02 18:56:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18171 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 02:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 02:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.237) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 02:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n16.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 02:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.73] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 02:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 02:56:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 140736.55476.bm@omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 11347 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 02:56:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 02:56:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .cdk5bYVM1lQrYWcvJNprgkj0uDxPd1sIiZsP_07aqng1MOJuxoduPb2aU_HPB1kth4z0TeWkhySILqy6_PzE.fP1v4qIymRMgRkhZ49fGHTAjK4nwpqpwzJ1hON0fKszzgyvm9ONJ6aahhy0ncu1LOKazboY56s1XkcKqVLTFE3KLpct8SlQ.S9jA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <01e001c954ea$570cb1e0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <20081202.102254.27336.2@webmail18.dca.untd.com> <01e001c954ea$570cb1e0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:56:47 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Big Business - loyalty & money to Democrats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=FpyGgeaSicZ3ekvWDLtJThaf3WeA6D5su79QvlskrNzGraduow X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:53 PM, wrote: > Romney's dad knew how to turn around a failing company and this > current crop isn't in the same league as George Romney as they're > partly to blame for the current melt down. Mitt certainly must > know from his dad's experience that government cash solves little > or nothing. I'll say it again. I am so incredibly glad that McThuselah picked that retard Palin for his running mate. I honestly think that if he used his brain and picked Romney the Republikans would still be in power. At least Romney seemed to understand economics. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Dec 02 20:05:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27857 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 04:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 04:05:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f21.google.com) (209.85.221.21) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 04:05:44 -0000 X-Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14so3746451qyk.3 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:05:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.183.15 with SMTP id g15mr12738997qaf.163.1228277143630; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:05:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.37.233.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.37.233.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm14760932yxj.7.2008.12.02.20.05.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:05:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <53D86A8E-FB62-479F-8042-E2277EDD1D0B@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <426480.53297.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:05:30 -0500 References: <426480.53297.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=soYERnNj3muXef2801Xgsjdu8BOJePSjE74B-nkDJjNAIXVAVjJL9EEr4bC9Wg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 2, 2008, at 6:18 PM, george russell wrote: > With a lot of luck, you may yet hear them again! About a year ago, > I read of a group of investors trying to work out a deal to lease > the station, make it an oldies outlet, perhaps with the same old > PAMS "Solid Rock" jingles. Haven't heard anything about it since, > but hope springs eternal! WPJM would have to go silent first! They are a Cheater running full power all night. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Dec 02 20:11:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81879 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 04:11:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 04:11:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 04:11:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 04:11:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 04:11:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:11:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8239FC13-CA5F-4325-8C01-750932AB9548@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.146.2.183 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WAPE was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=WcKL5UTYzAFHHeWlm5WUVrBCBeZQCb47WIXisl8bGLjpCRM X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > >=20 > On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Juan Gualda wrote: >=20 > > I love Uncle greasy. He's back in jax on Rock 105. >=20 >=20 > It would almost be worth moving back to Florida just to listen to=20 him!=20=20 > LOL' >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 I was laughing so hard I almost had to pull off the road on my drive=20 through JAX last month. Grease did a "Bearded Clam" bit, also=20 another "Me and My Daddy" bit about picking up "Beefy" women and more=20 goodies. Damn he is funny. Juan From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Dec 02 20:21:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32612 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 04:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 04:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f17.google.com) (209.85.221.17) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 04:21:35 -0000 X-Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so5869093qyk.18 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:21:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.60.14 with SMTP id i14mr12746754qaa.217.1228278095144; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:21:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.37.233.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.37.233.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm14791845yxl.8.2008.12.02.20.21.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:21:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <78CEE1E5-DFD3-4128-ABC3-49B9CE73BD5D@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:21:19 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WAPE was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Cmz9RnxGSQBY09O2T_gxo_fKK9xP4b1SuboM5E5I4aZKuncOvLBUxLI4ZTYCDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:11 PM, Juan Gualda wrote: > I was laughing so hard I almost had to pull off the road on my drive > through JAX last month. I remember WAPE covering the Race Riots down in "Zone 3" one morning. No other station was reporting any riots because there were none to report! It was all a stunt with even listeners calling in reports about the Race Riots and calling Play by Play on them. What a HOOT that was. Only one time did I ever hear Grease identify the location of Zone 3 when a caller called in from "Down by the A-Pote" Greasy said "Ah, the HEART of Zone 3!" ROFL Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Dec 03 06:10:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80498 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 14:10:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 14:10:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.190) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 14:10:52 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k40so3047611rnd.0 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:10:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.152.2 with SMTP id z2mr4859830and.37.1228313451510; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:10:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.37.233.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.37.233.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d12sm8541805and.22.2008.12.03.06.10.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:10:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4D2145B4-3780-49C6-87BC-8DBBCEAB40E6@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1B3759381F414CB3A9A1FD5AE22B325A@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:10:43 -0500 References: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <34DF01F9-9F09-48A5-9A6B-1EDBA056BD36@yahoo.com> <54C9F448BAF14D4BB38FE2297FFF182F@your4dacd0ea75> <75CBCA31-F0A4-463A-AE2B-F9DF7E667486@gmail.com> <1B3759381F414CB3A9A1FD5AE22B325A@your4dacd0ea75> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WAPE was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=9WEdXdCL6C-FoCqxe3TGnjmMgEBP7X62nDmCwnHS6Uw5mHO5AYKRfx9c-cm-dw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 2, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Dick W wrote: > Back when WAPE switched over to FM, for awhile they simulcast on FM > and AM, but eventually dropped the music on AM for talk. Remember when they switched to Country for a while, then they flipped to Gospel? They used to say "From Grease to Grace". Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Wed Dec 03 08:28:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90084 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 16:28:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 16:28:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 16:28:09 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBB00M3X72JPP90@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:27:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:27:58 -0500 To: Message-id: <86E26F57C11B4A2DB64854652FB495E1@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <34DF01F9-9F09-48A5-9A6B-1EDBA056BD36@yahoo.com> <54C9F448BAF14D4BB38FE2297FFF182F@your4dacd0ea75> <75CBCA31-F0A4-463A-AE2B-F9DF7E667486@gmail.com> <1B3759381F414CB3A9A1FD5AE22B325A@your4dacd0ea75> <4D2145B4-3780-49C6-87BC-8DBBCEAB40E6@gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WAPE was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=H4OPKcEu10W4WNLu-FfPxFhQOCXfgBrdIGbDdASXgO24IQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was not aware of their CountryGospel switch. Due to a local 680kHz, we can't receive 690 here in Tampa, so most of my listening is a result of trips outside the city that I have taken. I'll bet those two switches were hard for old-time Big Ape listeners to absorb! Dick W ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WAPE was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh On Dec 2, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Dick W wrote: > Back when WAPE switched over to FM, for awhile they simulcast on FM > and AM, but eventually dropped the music on AM for talk. Remember when they switched to Country for a while, then they flipped to Gospel? They used to say "From Grease to Grace". Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Dec 03 08:46:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40421 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 16:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 16:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.213) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 16:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W39 ([64.4.19.139]) by bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:46:17 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:46:17 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <86E26F57C11B4A2DB64854652FB495E1@your4dacd0ea75> References: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <34DF01F9-9F09-48A5-9A6B-1EDBA056BD36@yahoo.com> <54C9F448BAF14D4BB38FE2297FFF182F@your4dacd0ea75> <75CBCA31-F0A4-463A-AE2B-F9DF7E667486@gmail.com> <1B3759381F414CB3A9A1FD5AE22B325A@your4dacd0ea75> <4D2145B4-3780-49C6-87BC-8DBBCEAB40E6@gmail.com> <86E26F57C11B4A2DB64854652FB495E1@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2008 16:46:17.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9A02640:01C95566] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: WAPE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=XtJimAqilQJV4KYuCqdZEH-tc6nDLl-_faGp4Qkigdw9MJ0F4g6P X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As memory serves, and admittedly it doesn't serve very well sometimes, back in the late 60's, during heightened Cuba problems, didn't WAPE go directional at night, aimed toward Cuba, with anti-Castro programming? MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 03 11:28:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13340 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 19:28:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 19:28:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 19:28:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39741 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2008 19:28:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WG71r_4VM1nzNP01jZkj8vR2auUbcX6JYVOvJ2GV13H7KcNe.BWn2KQ7OZqOwlACNY8yksqPfsOQH7IoNNKw7psz5fd7QH80pTtYVgLkwNkfiuoxLL4Mw65NKZKAXp9vpXRcqgDGBydXinPBnmgDZHtiuqnJabfEBMl.ZsOg9a5bGWg- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:28:41 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:28:41 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <14C4AF9E-0471-4EB9-A47A-6E459DA20B8F@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <703949.39601.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Paper Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=CDQ_bx4DMRnO4-QrUbKibwETusW_ZjGMB0dY93-6gMYzYsEiqn5h X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah most of my news is off the net, CNN, MSNBC, and AM radio. =A0 --- On Tue, 12/2/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: {AMSF} Paper Nooze To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 5:56 PM > Well and theres just no way a a newspaper can keep up to date since=20 > news changes so much and because of the internet. Now me I like a=20 > real paper still but I'm afraid their days are numbered. I subscribe to two papers but still most of what I get is off the net. Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 03 11:31:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97747 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 19:31:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 19:31:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 19:31:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 657 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2008 19:31:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 24VYkuoVM1nGLsyea.SPhuv77YgumrPY6FI_MR24NkUA5Twmle.zVg6AOchl0KMC_ZGEOKe2xHjHeKFhN5aJL60GD1hVO3zW2Fv4ULPLnj3MysEEliqTnghcTTc2gD.brcgG48pmaR8rSNwwhXqDiuwVDviywCPiUi6Bzk79T8ERJf0- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:31:37 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:31:37 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01cf01c954e8$a4838b80$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <578155.195.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=-J4dshrw854QR4IqWIgZLRbjvlddcAJ2GfRZT51vOnzS3tKAB09Q X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another Die Hard Republican =A0 --- On Tue, 12/2/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrot= e: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 8:41 PM Except they use my money rather than their own. Joe Biden makes well into s= ix figures and can't donate more than a few hundred a year to charity? Same= with the likes of John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, San Fran Nan, et al. Meanwhile,= the ultra rich and ultra hated Dick Cheney has given literally millions of= his OWN money to charity. Sorry, that dog don't hunt. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: clemsonbloke=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:58 PM They never said they weren't rich. They said they support the poor and midd= le classes. They are actually the segment of the rich who care about their = fellow man, the poor, and the middle class unlike those greedy rich bastard= s known as republicans. The republicans believe in the rich getting richer = and the poor poorer. Those are the facts. Believe it because it is true.=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Wed Dec 03 12:44:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67717 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 20:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 20:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 20:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 20:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 20:44:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:44:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00f301c9541c$cd415c40$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.240.134.22 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=c3bhCAQYZ0b6WwuCZc6G6HgZeU0xeHRIb33_PLhRFvlW6MnYUlsL X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 My Realistic TM-152 still lights up when tuned to "Stereo 1490 WIKE" WIKE Newport, VT Thanks, Bob Welch Chief Op.. WSTJ St-Johnsbury, VT --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I report who is still in stereo whenever I hear one. Lately it's been KASM- 1150, Albany MN; KWLO- 1330, Waterloo IA; KKIN- 930, Aitkin MN. Will have to try to see if WAQE- 1090 in Rice Lake WI is still stereo. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kevin redding=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? >=20 >=20 > > Let's try flannel. [Inside joke] >=20 > Out of curiosity, how many AM stations are in C-QUAM stereo in the USA? >=20 > I know there is stereo in the USA on AM but its IBOC digital. >=20 > Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Dec 03 12:52:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73834 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 20:52:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 20:52:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.145) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 20:52:26 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W39 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:52:25 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:52:25 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: <703949.39601.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <14C4AF9E-0471-4EB9-A47A-6E459DA20B8F@yahoo.com> <703949.39601.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2008 20:52:25.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BEBE7E0:01C95589] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Paper Nooze X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=u2h8eVx-1xjQew3ka_vLXdm6PTSCAPpOZkTYFveajJ9jtEWJPzAuFWXhJfc X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BBC has a good news site as well; I get a daily email update from BBC radio as well as listening to BBC World Service on XM. VOA up until a few years ago, was also a good news site, but it's been watered down and downsized to where it's a shadow of it's former self.(and not as reliable of a news source as it had been for decades) BBC World Service (at least the feed on XM) offers a lot more U.S. news that I think most people would imagine; especially in the three months or so before the election; they kept running promos saying that it might be a U.S. election, but it would affect the whole world. Donn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.ukDate: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:28:41 +0000Subject: Re: {AMSF} Paper Nooze Yeah most of my news is off the net, CNN, MSNBC, and AM radio. --- On Tue, 12/2/08, kevin redding wrote:From: kevin redding Subject: {AMSF} Paper NoozeTo: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comDate: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 5:56 PM> Well and theres just no way a a newspaper can keep up to date since > news changes so much and because of the internet. Now me I like a > real paper still but I'm afraid their days are numbered.I subscribe to two papers but still most of what I get is off the net.Kevin[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 14:51:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34436 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 22:51:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 22:51:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 22:51:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70077 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2008 22:51:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aFZa1w0VM1nvITmjXFs1DscIlcG6yCQdAht0vVRVSlKN_rc32QG1faF4OiUQdJ9pGlHg7.8KAhtLRVPvcmITWtLDxUpWWaeOig.h94We_Uq_rlOOhwug7IWkd.ISzb6VRK9PQqgfcpTqM.TdsucS4iO4RllUNTaFCUiY96I5cOHxfPkaUAYqFf7mdDfZ X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:51:36 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:51:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7DACC7EE-18A3-41D4-B075-2FBA13D43FCE@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <438828.69912.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=fgf1lIGR2144Ad3SltaNlENO8CMaDzsP6BAgea3QuMMgVA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 "Admit it, say" I LOVE money, I wan't more money! If your tired of being a short ball in tall grass"..." Oh yeah, he was quite a piece of work! G --- On Tue, 12/2/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 6:43 PM > Reverend Ike, now thats a name I haven't heard in a > coons age! > > Kevin > > On Dec 2, 2008, at 5:22 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Such notables as Reverend Ike got their start on the > big X. Crazy, > > but sometimes the most interesting stuff on at night, > judging by > > the huge mail response. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 15:00:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60472 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 23:00:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 23:00:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 23:00:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42974 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2008 23:00:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XVga1n8VM1njt9gK5PtRaX1NPUeaEzsQjxTjgRxDsC9oVmmk1iCpAYdpMlod194dupXGcwaeJ_sctxl6NZPiwLoPBNOip6Fb3DPQAaCGEHwduTiljvFg.kRU0d1nMp.fwNMWfcKSc3VUe6zgtb4yMButb9YfEnzFEilUTVI7dn3qncXYeU4B0_EtGbzh X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:00:14 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:00:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <455A2719-2C8D-4129-9962-B7C1F13F8CC7@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <840541.42897.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=DEhPqNb4Ux43IXfpVaMDtYqbz7KVJeA6DiS3ZfGHmGzXRw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Now that I DON'T remember...wish he would come over and bless my tired old Dakota, 'cause my wallet sure can't bless it right now! Yes, a LOT of people sent money to those "preachers", it was such a lucrative business that ultimately, XERF added so much to Villa Acuna's economy, it finally became CIUDAD Acuna. (from village to city). That, and causing the opening of a splendid little business called "Boy's Town", STILL open for biz, not that I would know about such things. ('scuze me while I polish my halo) OK, I better leave THAT alone, in case any ladies are reading this! :>) G --- On Tue, 12/2/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 6:53 PM > > Such notables as Reverend Ike got their start on the > big X. > > Dude, you got me thinking about him and the yearly > "Blessing of the > Cadillacs" where he would lay his hands on each one > and give them a > blessing. > > What a whack job but it was sure funny to watch him. > > You should have never brought that up because it made me > think of > some goofy people who sent him money. > > What a character. > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 15:01:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19487 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 23:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 23:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 23:01:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 53549 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2008 23:01:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KWJjuEkVM1lqZ4UxigsBwckQHG0Bcn7VxPGzbyu3Vwsno3r7c0hgvO5YBjAORRjDUz7wkSIijt9ipsLfmBBB1FrivLN6yz8uCiAMLsN0sRSTVJl3KqLLMYh3TMZ92HK_T2c2PykYIFkTEKKrQhwKUWcb40VoJfa28KsYDnGqZueJrXBNFlrJQR7dQnLJ X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:01:54 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:01:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <53D86A8E-FB62-479F-8042-E2277EDD1D0B@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <356622.52782.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=oErZvHT92aUmLqI6uTWcjPbCpLk-u6HmdXvDtdxDUp4r0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, a nice piece of chain between the ground and the base of the tower can do wonders if you're REAL careful... G --- On Tue, 12/2/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 11:05 PM > On Dec 2, 2008, at 6:18 PM, george russell wrote: > > > With a lot of luck, you may yet hear them again! > About a year ago, > > I read of a group of investors trying to work out a > deal to lease > > the station, make it an oldies outlet, perhaps with > the same old > > PAMS "Solid Rock" jingles. Haven't > heard anything about it since, > > but hope springs eternal! > > WPJM would have to go silent first! They are a Cheater > running full > power all night. > > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 15:11:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83215 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 23:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 23:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 23:11:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80630 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2008 23:11:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 473fPSQVM1k5u3gC__BZZInE.kLTtJz0TZREYwaEQoCJzEWhl0iPUXYIqEJ1ax9shQWk4E3tjMHXq6vSyQOMVoGKtm7qlH2ge7blHuJ7Goor8lf1eKwe86fkNuE90a6Fi7APkxuk722y3.vrDCcz5q0YH6q5SZXb9J0Rp_ZNPDAoTvrsB7KjkPt4NmB1 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:11:49 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:11:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <785316.80417.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Big Business - loyalty & money to Democrats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=99l03Q9ly5kjiDH2ne-MHvcf-b4r9BEc4A8T9o-cZF8nTw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Romney saved a company? You mean as in AMC? Then why are Gremlins becoming collector's items? (No offense, I had four of 'em). Let me see if I have this right...Romney saved AMC, then Uncle Sam (with our money, of course) saved Chrysler, Then Chrysler bought AMC, kept Jeep, kicked out Renault (just as they were becoming a quality product), and NOW Chrysler want's Uncle Sam to save their financial ass again? Man, economics is crazy! I'm sure glad I don't have to deal with it! (except on payday) G --- On Tue, 12/2/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Big Business - loyalty & money to Democrats > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 9:56 PM > On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:53 PM, > wrote: > > > Romney's dad knew how to turn around a failing > company and this > > current crop isn't in the same league as George > Romney as they're > > partly to blame for the current melt down. Mitt > certainly must > > know from his dad's experience that government > cash solves little > > or nothing. > > I'll say it again. I am so incredibly glad that > McThuselah picked > that retard Palin for his running mate. I honestly think > that if he > used his brain and picked Romney the Republikans would > still be in > power. At least Romney seemed to understand economics. > > Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 15:14:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61197 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 23:14:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 23:14:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.223) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 23:14:40 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 23:14:40 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 23:14:40 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 23:14:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 575709.18778.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 12243 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 23:14:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 23:14:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 435JSCIVM1mFwBCeBmYpBBfdyDNjSJf5gVJJx5gc5hAZzz_p7EiPn9M1njnCz2GeQYtZB_W6qRcgmcCL_sFCYBaLK25Vn_8.fOSlkbctaX875JABOMTMEmXTmJtkSut4fwasuSfOz0OpCI8n2CWYTyF6825id6JpeDpp1w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <438828.69912.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <438828.69912.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <69677D97-B51B-4E1B-9EF5-FED8B0396CA1@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:14:39 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Reverend Ike X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=xsSyxSNZa22ktkk7tgqr8x8tLW4QArM6Qo8SP7dKFuVbdf8UOw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla I can hear him with his big pompadour haircut saying this too. He was pretty big in the mid 70s. On Dec 3, 2008, at 4:51 PM, george russell wrote: > "Admit it, say" I LOVE money, I wan't more money! If your tired of > being a short ball in tall grass"..." Oh yeah, he was quite a > piece of work! G From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 15:18:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44298 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 23:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 23:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 23:18:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59280 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2008 23:18:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ij_n6eEVM1mOY28.SLE7ORJ_pKjqUKRVgo9MKTX9vsNQYDQqJ2kTZntLUAOnG2.zaoBQxsHALp1aMchR.WolHQHf_Pt98BXl_3tf7seSjrNaH6ZaC2IYY5P.BvwZH.lr4ytOgy4Zu4Lvw2M.k81Nr69F5JoD5cPHd_HENGzOftn4rELs9214_p0_QUnW X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:18:17 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:18:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <69677D97-B51B-4E1B-9EF5-FED8B0396CA1@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <478990.58200.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reverend Ike X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=BeRbeh_1u_fg30L5mvLcaLIlhRcKsncFNfBgMHA7ExSaTg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 "Don't make me holler, don't make me shout, just turn them pockets inside out!" (Rev. Brother Pastor Deacon Dr. Bishop Elder George, from the Durand MI Little Temple of Truth/Amtrak Station) --- On Wed, 12/3/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: {AMSF} Reverend Ike > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 6:14 PM > I can hear him with his big pompadour haircut saying this > too. He was > pretty big in the mid 70s. > > On Dec 3, 2008, at 4:51 PM, george russell wrote: > > > "Admit it, say" I LOVE money, I wan't > more money! If your tired of > > being a short ball in tall grass"..." Oh > yeah, he was quite a > > piece of work! G From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 15:20:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14668 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 23:20:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 23:20:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 23:20:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85070 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Dec 2008 23:20:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7QSrtsUVM1kUcf3jIP.S7DqZ9a5tWoCsXsylWOLz8X3u9MMyceH1ybOQKuLYXXtZ3WkPbxZElkAN4QoonOINjI2A2PGwZxD_Uu8n5hNkPdV1UYDChXk0YEsTPVRLNN3Ijaw_qqusRc5J5yUxjoud5s0Cjvk315O1ZiplSRxgaw7GEVRa7D6E_QFCyeKq X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:20:42 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:20:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <69677D97-B51B-4E1B-9EF5-FED8B0396CA1@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <328329.78747.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Reverend Ike X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=6ZqwAChjTdWkbptF7Daiit41_A9SaRR_8pXcFPmaeQU55A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I could REALLY make a few people wince/laugh/hate me with this if I dared, I was once paid to write material for a put-on preacher, and I think I still could, but maybe not HERE...Say AAAAAAMEN, somebody! --- On Wed, 12/3/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: {AMSF} Reverend Ike > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 6:14 PM > I can hear him with his big pompadour haircut saying this > too. He was > pretty big in the mid 70s. > > On Dec 3, 2008, at 4:51 PM, george russell wrote: > > > "Admit it, say" I LOVE money, I wan't > more money! If your tired of > > being a short ball in tall grass"..." Oh > yeah, he was quite a > > piece of work! G From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 15:29:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23258 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 23:29:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 23:29:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n73.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.191) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 23:29:09 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n73.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 23:29:09 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 23:29:09 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.247] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 23:29:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 23:29:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 305391.30494.bm@omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 87821 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 23:29:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 23:29:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wHj3rawVM1kY7pqd.rzByzRHGaQiuwRg_hT.vpT68_lcuTOqoy0YK8qfD8RgXeUgTVc8XZnddDGQ730gLZniWSxG5VLdejF7Vb8Oi8kYxLa305LMaS9fyQVhbFBZdPtNnu1527zXJdf7qF.oW2tX3SaXb_5MhDnW9LDXfw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <785316.80417.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <785316.80417.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5781FC34-2B9E-4175-8921-4B29480D0C89@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:29:08 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Big Business - loyalty & money to Democrats X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Wg7woOjYG407wEr8Fn3Oh44F4WHh4ziJe2oNZ1vtsjYYLue1iA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 3, 2008, at 5:11 PM, george russell wrote: > Romney saved a company? You mean as in AMC? No, Mitt's DAD saved AMC. When he left, the toads that took it over looted it just like everyone else. > Then why are Gremlins becoming collector's items? (No offense, I > had four of 'em). I had a Purple with gold stripes on the sides, Gremlin X and it had a 360 in it. It was the only car I ever owned that I literally and absolutely truthfully spun the tires completely off the rear wheels. Yup, I could make the tires spin right off the rims if I stomped on it too long. My wife traded my 1965 Datsun Fairlady 2 seat sportster with 4 speed and twin carburetors for that ugly car. I hated it until I got in it and mashed on the gas. The rear end broke loose and the car was all over the place and buried in a monster cloud of tire smoke. I put 60s on the back and it ate a lot of other cars and made me some money. > Let me see if I have this right...Romney saved AMC, George Romney did that. Then he ran for president. > then Uncle Sam (with our money, of course) saved Chrysler, Yes. This was in 1981. > Then Chrysler bought AMC, Yes this was in 3/1987. > kept Jeep, kicked out Renault (just as they were becoming a quality > product), Yes but the Chrysler Concorde, Dodge Intrepid, Eagle Premier, Chrysler LHS and the remade Chrysler 300M came directly from the engineers at AMC. Chrysler did keep Jeep and tossed Renault at exactly the wrong time. > and NOW Chrysler want's Uncle Sam to save their financial ass again? I would say all the guys on the Board of Directors, CFO, CEO and all those types should all be FIRED before we even talk to them. They messed it up, why should we reward them? > Man, economics is crazy! I'm sure glad I don't have to deal with > it! (except on payday) Economics is definitely weird. There are no real right or wrong answers. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 15:41:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13348 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 23:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 23:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 23:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 23:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.247] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 23:41:45 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 23:41:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 971906.30494.bm@omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 93096 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 23:41:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 23:41:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Sl9J5_MVM1nom67p7_KdF9auKMC0b11qlUFdi5TaRQVm1OuNqgNsH2rYbH4VsYrK1xB10DQodwSSrjTZpZ1bGmDtu17BHsfF_nvShVKgCg1Kc0xkk33YkbssQbZTMJ3JRwuAXYzIxI0OwbV8N0UuDlkTp.zinwYMLgWTkei7.Cdyv79LS0wEBBkStQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <840541.42897.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <840541.42897.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:41:44 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=q25100tEgsHibiMghOc0ti9A5zXPypbau05rVoBS9LRnJEslzA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 3, 2008, at 5:00 PM, george russell wrote: > Now that I DON'T remember...wish he would come over and bless my > tired old Dakota, 'cause my wallet sure can't bless it right now! I need Reverend Ike to bless my wallet. I don't want him to put his hands on it though. I just need him to bless my wallet so it will attract some money. And yes, Reverend Ike really did have the blessing of the Cadillacs just like the Catholics used to bless the fishing fleet. He used to do this on his TV show. I swear to God it got me laughing so hard I almost popped out a rib. Back aeons ago we would get our brains all altered and then watch him getting after it. When you were like that, it was a riot. I don't know if we will see strangeness like that ever again. I found some stuff about Blessing the Cadillacs. http://newyorkdailyphoto.blogspot.com/2008/11/united-palace-theater.html "Reverend Ike has made it the cornerstone of his ministry with outrageous actions like the "Blessing of the Cadillacs," where wealthy congregants were invited to drive their luxury cars past the church's doors for his laying on of hands." http://www.thecommunitypaper.com/archive/2007/05_17/index.php (His television programs, for instance, used to include the "Blessing of the Cadillacs," where prosperous congregants were invited to drive their luxury cars past the church's doors for his laying on of hands.) http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-33727197_ITM Reverend Dr. Frederick J. Eikerenkoetter, better known as Reverend Ike. For thirty-eight years, Ike has used it as a home base for the dissemination of a prosperity gospel that relies on a spirited set of rituals (e.g., the Blessing of the Cadillacs) and precepts (e.g., "When you discover who you are, it doesn't matter what you've been") Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 15:50:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8318 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 23:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2008 23:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.188) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 23:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 23:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.240] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 23:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Dec 2008 23:50:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 817571.62359.bm@omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 95201 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2008 23:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.196.164 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 23:50:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wHLb7ewVM1kXX_oSON2ZgLnb23sQSZHyMO_kBU22G5kKWkLVicI39lOghmkjS8EClxtnwImg7bM_nTTyJt0DgW6sBq4suk.LB3gkbzCk5CZhlZP9qzMptuC1Jqgfunh2.MW74hLUuhS57zT7ZIMUDgfb4KVc14gc2rjJWw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <438828.69912.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <438828.69912.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <93DAD7C1-F2AC-484F-84B8-E6535F830D5B@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:50:49 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=uPzLaUukIzqVhzXfAG6eHTNG0B2C_H3Wm9J3VxWze3_8hyTnwA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla "The LACK of money is the root of all evil." -Reverend Ike On Dec 3, 2008, at 4:51 PM, george russell wrote: > "Admit it, say" I LOVE money, I wan't more money! If your tired of > being a short ball in tall grass"..." From w6yn@juno.com Wed Dec 03 16:51:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75379 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2008 00:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2008 00:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 00:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail06.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.146]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVQLMRAURHAGS for (sender ); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:50:55 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD1c9GmfhK+GgB/327D/GMcU= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail06.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3JEMWD6; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:50:16 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail06.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:49:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:49:51 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081203.164951.7557.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:2098428450 X-MAIL-INFO:43600190e0f1a0f9b1c9c959c9d075f9bd6d49b199b479511d9ddd35 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.146|webmail06.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=n3PJ2PzFA9_a2XVV6eGQKxp6QU-2zgo9BNNpz9Au5g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I believe that is the modern equivalent of:=20 "Oh Yeah! Well So's Your Old Man!"=20 -- clemsonbloke wrote: Another Die Hard Republican =A0 From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 17:24:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82240 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2008 01:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2008 01:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 01:24:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2008 01:24:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2008 01:24:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:24:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.120.171.109 From: "Bob" Subject: History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=hXPpxlUQc7Tn2JkmdnEYF49tnleyPTVq1ADz6r_HMhk_AR8wgFo_ X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Is there any interest in this group relative to the competition between=20 Motorola, Magnavox, and Belar during the National AM Stereophonic Radio=20 Committee (NAMSRC)(sponsored by the IEEE and NAB, oversight by the=20 FCC), and the history thereof? Is there any interest in the competition for AM Stereo system selection=20 sponsored by Delco Electronics and Motorola, Magnavox, and Harris? Bob From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 03 18:39:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97824 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2008 02:39:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2008 02:39:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 02:39:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49629 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2008 02:39:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: N6rnmEIVM1k2foLUNMp5HUl.HSauyK9uar2kwT5BDwtcrTiJPAuHCce0Fl5wjky1tdJukK.pIc_iOP606ag._ky5CsGRGLltxZfnoa..XlUcr1g4LpmOTlIos2UkWCyiKBqcYxeoiHyRujufxmKmGaIMDvkaGRVxGfYGfXzpS7L8nmmXz7pV5j9NZME- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:39:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:39:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <156035.49580.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=_84cF9Ql-eW4N1fA3-rMULhVVXR6y0xpxVug_Lj7Kp-cOD5CcDhr X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There has been in the past.=A0 As best as I can tell, Leonard Kahn is a sor= e loser who had an inferior system. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Bob wrote: From: Bob Subject: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 8:24 PM =20=20=20=20 Is there any interest in this group relative to the competition= between=20 Motorola, Magnavox, and Belar during the National AM Stereophonic Radio=20 Committee (NAMSRC)(sponsored by the IEEE and NAB, oversight by the=20 FCC), and the history thereof? Is there any interest in the competition for AM Stereo system selection=20 sponsored by Delco Electronics and Motorola, Magnavox, and Harris? Bob =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Dec 03 20:50:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10277 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2008 04:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2008 04:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 04:50:25 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so1176265qwb.13 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:50:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.215.15.3 with SMTP id s3mr14392270qai.333.1228366224832; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:50:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.88.55.139.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.88.55.139.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.88.55.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm8798501yxs.5.2008.12.03.20.49.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:50:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <9FFBA796-6E91-473D-A4D8-9445AF5CC2CD@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <86E26F57C11B4A2DB64854652FB495E1@your4dacd0ea75> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:50:36 -0500 References: <234985.25778.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <34DF01F9-9F09-48A5-9A6B-1EDBA056BD36@yahoo.com> <54C9F448BAF14D4BB38FE2297FFF182F@your4dacd0ea75> <75CBCA31-F0A4-463A-AE2B-F9DF7E667486@gmail.com> <1B3759381F414CB3A9A1FD5AE22B325A@your4dacd0ea75> <4D2145B4-3780-49C6-87BC-8DBBCEAB40E6@gmail.com> <86E26F57C11B4A2DB64854652FB495E1@your4dacd0ea75> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WAPE was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=t2XGNra9svmjt0bGf5ILXJTp_Mf4cV-iEaOJ1KHhvMerMcE4uqc_XBflh58aBg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 3, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Dick W wrote: > I was not aware of their CountryGospel switch. Due to a local > 680kHz, we can't receive 690 here in Tampa, so most of my listening > is a result of trips outside the city that I have taken. I'll bet > those two switches were hard for old-time Big Ape listeners to absorb! Yea, and they didn't last long! LOL Too bad "The Mighty 690" is just another satellite news talker now :-( Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Dec 03 20:53:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34097 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2008 04:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2008 04:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f17.google.com) (209.85.221.17) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 04:53:33 -0000 X-Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so6920976qyk.18 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:53:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.150.21 with SMTP id x21mr14410143qad.143.1228366412727; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:53:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.88.55.139.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.88.55.139.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.88.55.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm8798501yxs.5.2008.12.03.20.51.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:53:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2BCDA49D-439E-4782-A48A-BAEE11684C42@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 23:25:15 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=wp2_7FCZjVcemBwapgVaFvxhY2VD75Gafo8UfUkGWPOxe64Fz0IA4P16L17HZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 3, 2008, at 8:24 PM, Bob wrote: > Is there any interest in this group relative to the competition > between > Motorola, Magnavox, and Belar during the National AM Stereophonic > Radio > Committee (NAMSRC)(sponsored by the IEEE and NAB, oversight by the > FCC), and the history thereof? YES! It sure beats the political BS that has been posted to this list. > Is there any interest in the competition for AM Stereo system > selection > sponsored by Delco Electronics and Motorola, Magnavox, and Harris? Yes, i think both should be some interesting reading. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Dec 03 21:39:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13899 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2008 05:39:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2008 05:39:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.191) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 05:39:15 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j67so3265226rne.5 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:39:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.106.4 with SMTP id i4mr14776101ybm.191.1228369155594; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:39:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.88.55.139.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.88.55.139.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.88.55.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m33sm10711094ele.6.2008.12.03.21.39.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:39:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <52F2C6E3-26F7-4BE2-8AE9-27A7AD5D002E@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <356622.52782.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 00:38:53 -0500 References: <356622.52782.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=rZcYif4NVsSvcTp7foQRLsSEL0SQVLsOAh-QQop_p_IjJQB0S2iRPEVymcQdEg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 3, 2008, at 6:01 PM, george russell wrote: > Well, a nice piece of chain between the ground and the base of the > tower can do wonders if you're REAL careful... G Don't tempt me! LOL Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Thu Dec 04 02:36:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49459 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2008 10:36:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2008 10:36:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web84005.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.175) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 10:36:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60667 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2008 10:36:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GDFnMrgVM1myEEfvd5SQ3mNYGWRTrt3OgcbgzX.B5KEVODFCWCB.moYt9w_mZ5jlGy40Z_hSEJ_yN.8wR6nB7b19yezmVkIobsaizqZNtgK0qWSaS0rQWWZ1p5OHYKDDAQshm2br7ipn2istB6pd7fjJt63l1Cjc8qIHngeXxS_5T8Od3r5GO.27z1IR X-Received: from [71.120.171.109] by web84005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:36:00 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:36:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <156035.49580.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <204059.60508.qm@web84005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Reply-To: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=SvzBTOl5QQ4tmA8QLWvRL9JWn2BmWmHyPegXIUpmG7CTbMW92Tkq X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the two comments thus far. =A0 Perhaps I should introduce myself - I am the inventor of the Magnavox (form= ally called the PMX) system originally selected by the F.C.C.=A0 I particip= ated personally with the NAMSRC test program, the FCC competition, and with= the Delco test program. =A0 You can verify that if you wish by a patent search, and my biography is als= o listed in Marquis Who's Who in America. =A0 I have about 10 cubic feet of AM Stereo documentation, and about 35 cubic f= eet of equipment used in the development and demonstration of AM Stereo fro= m 1975 to about 1985.=A0 It=A0is currently stored in my basement. =A0 In 1985, Philips (the owner of Magnavox/Sylvania/Philco brands) decided to = invest heavily in a technology called "audio CD", and due to the poor impre= ssioin of AM in Europe, decided that AM Stereo would never be an economic i= nvestment for consumer electronics and cut the AM Stereo funding to zero.= =A0 That stopped all AM Stereo work by Magnavox, and made me get another jo= b! =A0 For many years I pursued donating all this material to the Smithsonian, in = Washington, D.C.=A0 That effort came to a halt when they indicated that the= y would want over $250,000 to process the donation. =A0 At this point, some of the documentation is being preserved at the Indiana = Historical Society.=A0 I am looking to find a preservation facility (or sev= eral facilities, if there is too much for one) for the rest of the document= ation and all the equipment.=A0 My wife wants the basement back !!!=A0 The = items that are not preserved (no private hobby collectors, due to the legal= issues) will be destroyed. =A0 Yes - Leonard Kahn was indeed an interesting character.=A0 He has "talked" = to me many times.=A0 While his AM Stereo system did not get very far (due i= n part to his personality), he is very well known and respected for his inv= ention of the "Envelope Elimination and Restoration" technique used by many= current technologies.=A0 That can also be found with a patent search. =A0 Bob --- On Wed, 12/3/08, JNR wrote: From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:39 PM There has been in the past.=A0 As best as I can tell, Leonard Kahn is a sor= e loser who had an inferior system. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Bob wrote: From: Bob Subject: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 8:24 PM =20=20=20=20 Is there any interest in this group relative to the competition between=20 Motorola, Magnavox, and Belar during the National AM Stereophonic Radio=20 Committee (NAMSRC)(sponsored by the IEEE and NAB, oversight by the=20 FCC), and the history thereof? Is there any interest in the competition for AM Stereo system selection=20 sponsored by Delco Electronics and Motorola, Magnavox, and Harris? Bob =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Dec 04 04:57:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13025 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2008 12:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2008 12:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 12:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2008 12:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2008 12:57:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:57:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <204059.60508.qm@web84005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.146.2.183 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=IXFImgeTioJwlKhTzzK-pvVL29WJWXQcpCjwTCiVuAO6VXo X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert Streeter=20 wrote: > > Thanks for the two comments thus far. > =A0 > Perhaps I should introduce myself - I am the inventor of the=20 Magnavox (formally called the PMX) system originally selected by the=20 F.C.C.=A0 I participated personally with the NAMSRC test program, the=20 FCC competition, and with the Delco test program. > =A0 > You can verify that if you wish by a patent search, and my=20 biography is also listed in Marquis Who's Who in America. > =A0 > I have about 10 cubic feet of AM Stereo documentation, and about 35=20 cubic feet of equipment used in the development and demonstration of=20 AM Stereo from 1975 to about 1985.=A0 It=A0is currently stored in my=20 basement. > =A0 > In 1985, Philips (the owner of Magnavox/Sylvania/Philco brands)=20 decided to invest heavily in a technology called "audio CD", and due=20 to the poor impressioin of AM in Europe, decided that AM Stereo would=20 never be an economic investment for consumer electronics and cut the=20 AM Stereo funding to zero.=A0 That stopped all AM Stereo work by=20 Magnavox, and made me get another job! > =A0 > For many years I pursued donating all this material to the=20 Smithsonian, in Washington, D.C.=A0 That effort came to a halt when=20 they indicated that they would want over $250,000 to process the=20 donation. > =A0 > At this point, some of the documentation is being preserved at the=20 Indiana Historical Society.=A0 I am looking to find a preservation=20 facility (or several facilities, if there is too much for one) for=20 the rest of the documentation and all the equipment.=A0 My wife wants=20 the basement back !!!=A0 The items that are not preserved (no private=20 hobby collectors, due to the legal issues) will be destroyed. > =A0 > Yes - Leonard Kahn was indeed an interesting character.=A0 He=20 has "talked" to me many times.=A0 While his AM Stereo system did not=20 get very far (due in part to his personality), he is very well known=20 and respected for his invention of the "Envelope Elimination and=20 Restoration" technique used by many current technologies.=A0 That can=20 also be found with a patent search. > =A0 > Bob >=20 Bob, Have you tried to donate it to the Museum Of Radio And Technology in=20 Huntington, WV ? This place has many Radios on display, including old computers. I spent half a day there and I had a great time. By the way, they have NO AM Stereo equiptment on display. Juan From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Thu Dec 04 05:14:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68896 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2008 13:14:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2008 13:14:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f20.google.com) (209.85.221.20) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 13:14:52 -0000 X-Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so4988349qyk.8 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:14:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.242.11 with SMTP id p11mr14737939qah.83.1228396492416; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:14:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.88.55.139.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.88.55.139.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.88.55.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm18985335yxm.0.2008.12.04.05.14.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:14:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1E893B4A-B236-437A-AF69-0B1F63429DA6@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <204059.60508.qm@web84005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:14:31 -0500 References: <204059.60508.qm@web84005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=QqWCqO5ee1IRaG0yF9FPK8Cp0pmiU3nzhUe4OxkWUugjsAsLLjy-oDZ-e4s46Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 4, 2008, at 5:36 AM, Robert Streeter wrote: > For many years I pursued donating all this material to the > Smithsonian, in Washington, D.C. That effort came to a halt when > they indicated that they would want over $250,000 to process the > donation. Ain't THAT nice! gee gads. Have you tried the Ford Museum in Dearborn, MI? They have a HUGE display of restored antique radios, and WJR's old Radio and TV stuff. I bet they would LOVE to have the Magnavox AM Stereo goodies. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Dec 04 08:00:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2538 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2008 16:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2008 16:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 16:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2008 16:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2008 16:00:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:00:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <204059.60508.qm@web84005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.197.108 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=dD7Wyik0K5qe2YSQkRSwMWmnaoQU2vTz5euAFV3_968 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 I'm impressed that we now have on our group one of the inventors of=20 the first adopted AM STEREO system! Magnavox I think was the real=20 winner and should have stayed on train, leading all AMS market at=20 that time. Since the drawback and redicision of the selcted system by=20 the FCC, the magnavox lost its interest at AMS, I believe due to=20 exactly that move from the FCC. If you have been selected and then=20 they force you to start over to a reconsideration of whos gonna be=20 selected, you will surely know from that point that you are not going=20 to be you again, as this is a dead end circular situation that will=20 eventualy last until someone else be selected... for whatever reason=20 the new one will be selected at that time...=20 Mr Streeter, I would love to have a real Magnavox test receiver or=20 the "inside" information about building one from... 'discrete'=20 components (not really discretes, but not relying on a LSI custom=20 solution) for my lab and personal collection...=20 I do believe that AM Stereo was in general, the best thing that=20 happened to the AM broadcasting industry. However the worst thing was=20 the "strange" (at least at my view) way that non of the companies=20 involved at it at first place, to strongly support it (even for their=20 system) and iclude it at the full production of their receiver IC's=20 of that era, as a standard... like it was their way for the FM=20 decoder IC's!=20=20 Magnavox - Philips have withdraw their interest far to early (but as=20 I have said, it seems to logical to do it after all). Philips however=20 not so much later, have included CQUAM decoding at some of their own=20 products, and they have even made (of course far later) even some=20 IC's that supports the CQUAM!!! Was that a "mea culpa" decision for=20 them? Philips had the production force to put as many AMS complete=20 receivers and mostly ready made decoder IC's, to a market, that they=20 would have dominated it in no time. The CD... excusion from them=20 seems to me like a way to avoid to say that "we don't want to run=20 this anymore"...=20 It's a pitty... that they had made that decision...=20 However, I would love to hear your views and comments about what has=20 happened to AM stereo development and your comments for the big=20 question. Is (as I believe there is still alive and kicking) AMS and=20 even mono AM doomed?=20 I know from personal experience that anyone that have just listened=20 an AMS station (with a average good audio processing) have love it! I=20 have many friends and people here at Greece that they didn't even=20 knew that AM broadcasting could be stereo and with a hi-fi quality=20 easily comparable to that of the Fm stereo (when there is no static=20 around, of course)!=20 The so-called lack of interst for it from the European market is a=20 bad joke or a myth, that someone has created to avoid to tell why=20 they Europeans didn't want to work it... The reason that I have=20 concluded after an extensive search, is by far another one not so=20 visible to technicians or commercial broadcasters & listeners. Just=20 take in account that ALL the AM stations at Europe was at that time=20 of Cold war (and at some EU countries still are at the most part of=20 it) national broadcasters directly controlled by its country=20 goverment, and not independed private owned companies...=20=20 Some said that the 9KHz channel spacing wasn't enough to provide AMS=20 to Europe, however Aussie and Japan made it without any problem! So=20 also this was just an excuse...=20 European didn't want to do AM in stereo at any case... and not due to=20 technical or market reasons... There was something bigger than=20 that... in a time of east and west world borders...=20 OK, I've went too far for now :)=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris Pdmtr=20 =20=20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert Streeter=20 wrote: > > Thanks for the two comments thus far. > =A0 > Perhaps I should introduce myself - I am the inventor of the=20 Magnavox (formally called the PMX) system originally selected by the=20 F.C.C.=A0 I participated personally with the NAMSRC test program, the=20 FCC competition, and with the Delco test program. > =A0 > You can verify that if you wish by a patent search, and my=20 biography is also listed in Marquis Who's Who in America. > =A0 > I have about 10 cubic feet of AM Stereo documentation, and about 35=20 cubic feet of equipment used in the development and demonstration of=20 AM Stereo from 1975 to about 1985.=A0 It=A0is currently stored in my=20 basement. > =A0 > In 1985, Philips (the owner of Magnavox/Sylvania/Philco brands)=20 decided to invest heavily in a technology called "audio CD", and due=20 to the poor impressioin of AM in Europe, decided that AM Stereo would=20 never be an economic investment for consumer electronics and cut the=20 AM Stereo funding to zero.=A0 That stopped all AM Stereo work by=20 Magnavox, and made me get another job! > =A0 > For many years I pursued donating all this material to the=20 Smithsonian, in Washington, D.C.=A0 That effort came to a halt when=20 they indicated that they would want over $250,000 to process the=20 donation. > =A0 > At this point, some of the documentation is being preserved at the=20 Indiana Historical Society.=A0 I am looking to find a preservation=20 facility (or several facilities, if there is too much for one) for=20 the rest of the documentation and all the equipment.=A0 My wife wants=20 the basement back !!!=A0 The items that are not preserved (no private=20 hobby collectors, due to the legal issues) will be destroyed. > =A0 > Yes - Leonard Kahn was indeed an interesting character.=A0 He=20 has "talked" to me many times.=A0 While his AM Stereo system did not=20 get very far (due in part to his personality), he is very well known=20 and respected for his invention of the "Envelope Elimination and=20 Restoration" technique used by many current technologies.=A0 That can=20 also be found with a patent search. > =A0 > Bob >=20 > --- On Wed, 12/3/08, JNR wrote: >=20 > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:39 PM >=20 > There has been in the past.=A0 As best as I can tell, Leonard Kahn is=20 a sore > loser who had an inferior system. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Bob wrote: > From: Bob > Subject: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 8:24 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Is there any interest in this group relative to the=20 competition > between=20 >=20 > Motorola, Magnavox, and Belar during the National AM Stereophonic=20 Radio=20 >=20 > Committee (NAMSRC)(sponsored by the IEEE and NAB, oversight by the=20 >=20 > FCC), and the history thereof? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Is there any interest in the competition for AM Stereo system=20 selection=20 >=20 > sponsored by Delco Electronics and Motorola, Magnavox, and Harris? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Bob >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Dec 04 08:12:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40922 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2008 16:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2008 16:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2008 16:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2008 16:12:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2008 16:12:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:12:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.75.197.108 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=QZ7Zkp6kf7C8XumdG_a659LtftvpSNJba208iYQpB7g X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr There is also an interesting book about AM stereo that we all can=20 read:=20 Regulating the Future By W. A. Kelly Huff, ebrary, Inc http://books.google.com/books? id=3D4R1sQynEaHEC&dq=3DRobert+Streeter+magnavox&source=3Dgbs_summary_s&cad= =3D0 =20 Read the preview of it... as it has also some information about the=20 Magnavox system and its inventors (including you)...=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi=20 > I'm impressed that we now have on our group one of the inventors of=20 > the first adopted AM STEREO system! Magnavox I think was the real=20 > winner and should have stayed on train, leading all AMS market at=20 > that time. Since the drawback and redicision of the selcted system=20 by=20 > the FCC, the magnavox lost its interest at AMS, I believe due to=20 > exactly that move from the FCC. If you have been selected and then=20 > they force you to start over to a reconsideration of whos gonna be=20 > selected, you will surely know from that point that you are not=20 going=20 > to be you again, as this is a dead end circular situation that will=20 > eventualy last until someone else be selected... for whatever=20 reason=20 > the new one will be selected at that time...=20 >=20 > Mr Streeter, I would love to have a real Magnavox test receiver or=20 > the "inside" information about building one from... 'discrete'=20 > components (not really discretes, but not relying on a LSI custom=20 > solution) for my lab and personal collection...=20 >=20 > I do believe that AM Stereo was in general, the best thing that=20 > happened to the AM broadcasting industry. However the worst thing=20 was=20 > the "strange" (at least at my view) way that non of the companies=20 > involved at it at first place, to strongly support it (even for=20 their=20 > system) and iclude it at the full production of their receiver IC's=20 > of that era, as a standard... like it was their way for the FM=20 > decoder IC's!=20=20 >=20 > Magnavox - Philips have withdraw their interest far to early (but=20 as=20 > I have said, it seems to logical to do it after all). Philips=20 however=20 > not so much later, have included CQUAM decoding at some of their=20 own=20 > products, and they have even made (of course far later) even some=20 > IC's that supports the CQUAM!!! Was that a "mea culpa" decision for=20 > them? Philips had the production force to put as many AMS complete=20 > receivers and mostly ready made decoder IC's, to a market, that=20 they=20 > would have dominated it in no time. The CD... excusion from them=20 > seems to me like a way to avoid to say that "we don't want to run=20 > this anymore"...=20 > It's a pitty... that they had made that decision...=20 >=20 > However, I would love to hear your views and comments about what=20 has=20 > happened to AM stereo development and your comments for the big=20 > question. Is (as I believe there is still alive and kicking) AMS=20 and=20 > even mono AM doomed?=20 >=20 > I know from personal experience that anyone that have just listened=20 > an AMS station (with a average good audio processing) have love it!=20 I=20 > have many friends and people here at Greece that they didn't even=20 > knew that AM broadcasting could be stereo and with a hi-fi quality=20 > easily comparable to that of the Fm stereo (when there is no static=20 > around, of course)!=20 >=20 > The so-called lack of interst for it from the European market is a=20 > bad joke or a myth, that someone has created to avoid to tell why=20 > they Europeans didn't want to work it... The reason that I have=20 > concluded after an extensive search, is by far another one not so=20 > visible to technicians or commercial broadcasters & listeners. Just=20 > take in account that ALL the AM stations at Europe was at that time=20 > of Cold war (and at some EU countries still are at the most part of=20 > it) national broadcasters directly controlled by its country=20 > goverment, and not independed private owned companies...=20=20 >=20 > Some said that the 9KHz channel spacing wasn't enough to provide=20 AMS=20 > to Europe, however Aussie and Japan made it without any problem! So=20 > also this was just an excuse...=20 > European didn't want to do AM in stereo at any case... and not due=20 to=20 > technical or market reasons... There was something bigger than=20 > that... in a time of east and west world borders...=20 >=20 >=20 > OK, I've went too far for now :)=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris Pdmtr=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert Streeter=20 > wrote: > > > > Thanks for the two comments thus far. > > =A0 > > Perhaps I should introduce myself - I am the inventor of the=20 > Magnavox (formally called the PMX) system originally selected by=20 the=20 > F.C.C.=A0 I participated personally with the NAMSRC test program, the=20 > FCC competition, and with the Delco test program. > > =A0 > > You can verify that if you wish by a patent search, and my=20 > biography is also listed in Marquis Who's Who in America. > > =A0 > > I have about 10 cubic feet of AM Stereo documentation, and about=20 35=20 > cubic feet of equipment used in the development and demonstration=20 of=20 > AM Stereo from 1975 to about 1985.=A0 It=A0is currently stored in my=20 > basement. > > =A0 > > In 1985, Philips (the owner of Magnavox/Sylvania/Philco brands)=20 > decided to invest heavily in a technology called "audio CD", and=20 due=20 > to the poor impressioin of AM in Europe, decided that AM Stereo=20 would=20 > never be an economic investment for consumer electronics and cut=20 the=20 > AM Stereo funding to zero.=A0 That stopped all AM Stereo work by=20 > Magnavox, and made me get another job! > > =A0 > > For many years I pursued donating all this material to the=20 > Smithsonian, in Washington, D.C.=A0 That effort came to a halt when=20 > they indicated that they would want over $250,000 to process the=20 > donation. > > =A0 > > At this point, some of the documentation is being preserved at=20 the=20 > Indiana Historical Society.=A0 I am looking to find a preservation=20 > facility (or several facilities, if there is too much for one) for=20 > the rest of the documentation and all the equipment.=A0 My wife wants=20 > the basement back !!!=A0 The items that are not preserved (no private=20 > hobby collectors, due to the legal issues) will be destroyed. > > =A0 > > Yes - Leonard Kahn was indeed an interesting character.=A0 He=20 > has "talked" to me many times.=A0 While his AM Stereo system did not=20 > get very far (due in part to his personality), he is very well=20 known=20 > and respected for his invention of the "Envelope Elimination and=20 > Restoration" technique used by many current technologies.=A0 That can=20 > also be found with a patent search. > > =A0 > > Bob > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 12/3/08, JNR wrote: > >=20 > > From: JNR > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:39 PM > >=20 > > There has been in the past.=A0 As best as I can tell, Leonard Kahn=20 is=20 > a sore > > loser who had an inferior system. > >=20 > > 73, > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Bob wrote: > > From: Bob > > Subject: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 8:24 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > Is there any interest in this group relative to the=20 > competition > > between=20 > >=20 > > Motorola, Magnavox, and Belar during the National AM Stereophonic=20 > Radio=20 > >=20 > > Committee (NAMSRC)(sponsored by the IEEE and NAB, oversight by=20 the=20 > >=20 > > FCC), and the history thereof? > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Is there any interest in the competition for AM Stereo system=20 > selection=20 > >=20 > > sponsored by Delco Electronics and Motorola, Magnavox, and Harris? > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Bob > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Dec 04 17:56:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92522 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 01:56:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2008 01:56:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 01:56:23 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.227] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081204195618000517700013.0) with SMTP id <20081204195618000517700013> for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:56:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010301c9567d$0e593d80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:56:18 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=oSWNfIQA7UnBU91azMgc3_PUW6VoPJYjXvhn9iMosxTLWjOBV5LY X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think their acquiescence to building CQUAM equipment was based more on the fact that the rest of the world had adopted it. We were the only country to make the AMS decisions we did. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:00 AM Philips however not so much later, have included CQUAM decoding at some of their own products, and they have even made (of course far later) even some IC's that supports the CQUAM!!! Was that a "mea culpa" decision for them? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Dec 04 18:03:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86734 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 02:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2008 02:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 02:03:07 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.227] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081204200240001354500013.0) with SMTP id <20081204200240001354500013> for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:02:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <013301c9567d$f195d900$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <864841.61788.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <01cf01c954e8$a4838b80$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:02:40 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=psloSn6gq14KOTmREW9vDbCepb7du4beII1BA7VYiomy8ebEzyMG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Except most spending is first approved by the legislative branch. GWB is getting some help and not all from his own party. I'm a conservative first and a Republican second. It sucks to have such a mixed bag of big spenders and those who believe in fiscal responsibility. But voting R, I *might* get a big spender. Vote D and I *will* get one. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich Looks like the GOP spent my grandkids money and they are looting the Treasury so fast before they leave that my head is spinning. Can't blame it on Obama yet. He will get his turn to blow money but right now its the Bush administration spending OPM. Kevin On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:41 PM, wrote: > Except they use my money rather than their own. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Dec 04 18:52:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11207 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 02:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2008 02:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 02:52:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58060 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2008 02:52:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3wL7_l0VM1m7E5FjrG_yXHlJ2ClC2li0G6vM93nnry4JJQGDRRjzBTQi2WsXmbiCpLOSONRiUTGKK_qVDLHHeMynU2M7V0PJJxGBeAtCglBM9qo_oA6Y.BGTPZXE_A6XkqgZNZem4IQD22kt5Q8LpEhv5IVbXCWBpjsjzFX_ksySQ2vXduziSIiXWEcs X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:52:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:52:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <85317.57754.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=5K6BOWu6lag2kQpXnSsU4iXtvNq0tUQcRUYJLysBw_HpZA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 HAHHAHHAH! That's a hoot! Yeah, some of those "preachers", even when you just new they were 100% BS, were very entertaining all the same. --- On Wed, 12/3/08, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 6:41 PM > On Dec 3, 2008, at 5:00 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Now that I DON'T remember...wish he would come > over and bless my > > tired old Dakota, 'cause my wallet sure can't > bless it right now! > > I need Reverend Ike to bless my wallet. I don't want > him to put his > hands on it though. > > I just need him to bless my wallet so it will attract some > money. > > And yes, Reverend Ike really did have the blessing of the > Cadillacs > just like the Catholics used to bless the fishing fleet. He > used to > do this on his TV show. I swear to God it got me laughing > so hard I > almost popped out a rib. Back aeons ago we would get our > brains all > altered and then watch him getting after it. When you were > like that, > it was a riot. > > I don't know if we will see strangeness like that ever > again. > > I found some stuff about Blessing the Cadillacs. > > http://newyorkdailyphoto.blogspot.com/2008/11/united-palace-theater.html > "Reverend Ike has made it the cornerstone of his > ministry with > outrageous actions like the "Blessing of the > Cadillacs," where > wealthy congregants were invited to drive their luxury cars > past the > church's doors for his laying on of hands." > > http://www.thecommunitypaper.com/archive/2007/05_17/index.php > > (His television programs, for instance, used to include the > "Blessing > of the Cadillacs," where prosperous congregants were > invited to drive > their luxury cars past the church's doors for his > laying on of hands.) > > http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-33727197_ITM > > Reverend Dr. Frederick J. Eikerenkoetter, better known as > Reverend > Ike. For thirty-eight years, Ike has used it as a home base > for the > dissemination of a prosperity gospel that relies on a > spirited set of > rituals (e.g., the Blessing of the Cadillacs) and precepts > (e.g., > "When you discover who you are, it doesn't matter > what you've been") > > Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Dec 04 18:57:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21243 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 02:56:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2008 02:56:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 02:56:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46833 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2008 02:56:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: D4ATWoAVM1nY0eflmIagOy5E74OnBaaLGQs6l1SUtIZWNruYpB_NYEJBcwGtrpX_9C1A3VM.sG1S7vRhvri0079SNJiJFwlfxuswNP2p1AvsvhlU6oh4jZxtZHdC8E1UVm0.za8C2_X2Hrgcg8JFEkZsENF.zMEgeY6_UbeLDyIQWpHKVKvj41IQj0Iz X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:56:59 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:56:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <204059.60508.qm@web84005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <145884.46724.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=WANZ2q0p9aNFId-j_ujx-bX1avSKmWrUL0gAybRpODQi4A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 BOB! I spoke with you about a year ago, regarding PMX...if you get a chanc= e, write to me off-forum at above address...thank you. George --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Robert Streeter wrote: > From: Robert Streeter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 5:36 AM > Thanks for the two comments thus far. > =A0 > Perhaps I should introduce myself - I am the inventor of > the Magnavox (formally called the PMX) system originally > selected by the F.C.C.=A0 I participated personally with the > NAMSRC test program, the FCC competition, and with the Delco > test program. > =A0 > You can verify that if you wish by a patent search, and my > biography is also listed in Marquis Who's Who in > America. > =A0 > I have about 10 cubic feet of AM Stereo documentation, and > about 35 cubic feet of equipment used in the development and > demonstration of AM Stereo from 1975 to about 1985.=A0 It=A0is > currently stored in my basement. > =A0 > In 1985, Philips (the owner of Magnavox/Sylvania/Philco > brands) decided to invest heavily in a technology called > "audio CD", and due to the poor impressioin of AM > in Europe, decided that AM Stereo would never be an economic > investment for consumer electronics and cut the AM Stereo > funding to zero.=A0 That stopped all AM Stereo work by > Magnavox, and made me get another job! > =A0 > For many years I pursued donating all this material to the > Smithsonian, in Washington, D.C.=A0 That effort came to a > halt when they indicated that they would want over $250,000 > to process the donation. > =A0 > At this point, some of the documentation is being preserved > at the Indiana Historical Society.=A0 I am looking to find a > preservation facility (or several facilities, if there is > too much for one) for the rest of the documentation and all > the equipment.=A0 My wife wants the basement back !!!=A0 The > items that are not preserved (no private hobby collectors, > due to the legal issues) will be destroyed. > =A0 > Yes - Leonard Kahn was indeed an interesting character.=A0 > He has "talked" to me many times.=A0 While his AM > Stereo system did not get very far (due in part to his > personality), he is very well known and respected for his > invention of the "Envelope Elimination and > Restoration" technique used by many current > technologies.=A0 That can also be found with a patent search. > =A0 > Bob >=20 > --- On Wed, 12/3/08, JNR > wrote: >=20 > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 9:39 PM >=20 > There has been in the past.=A0 As best as I can tell, > Leonard Kahn is a sore > loser who had an inferior system. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Bob > wrote: > From: Bob > Subject: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 8:24 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Is there any interest in this group relative to > the competition > between=20 >=20 > Motorola, Magnavox, and Belar during the National AM > Stereophonic Radio=20 >=20 > Committee (NAMSRC)(sponsored by the IEEE and NAB, oversight > by the=20 >=20 > FCC), and the history thereof? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Is there any interest in the competition for AM Stereo > system selection=20 >=20 > sponsored by Delco Electronics and Motorola, Magnavox, and > Harris? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Bob >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Dec 04 19:59:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25075 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 03:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2008 03:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.110) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 03:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n3.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2008 03:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.156] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2008 03:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp209.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2008 03:59:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 952586.45196.bm@omp209.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 87663 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 03:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.211.180 with plain) by smtp110.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 03:59:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: D5W.DYYVM1lVbiuIg29jHvl5xTGBm8yLJxHveMtRPAoZ6uwUE5yAv6DPLdQ9iaR77LO2RS2UoFY.9yZIG5cIex.Si6kVahODxolPiJbaB27Zic7d9O70UujYCZH6UVrGs2f96fro1XxV7txEe89RCcHGLMAMURSdGNYh4g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <013301c9567d$f195d900$d503fea9@stodd> References: <864841.61788.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <01cf01c954e8$a4838b80$d503fea9@stodd> <013301c9567d$f195d900$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <040188D4-1F5A-4090-8A30-7923560CD48F@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:59:34 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=AbEKdQNF48cuVBAErlXrWbskpb4nl0CSMQrMo4bqwtHgE2eCGw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Except most spending is first approved by the legislative branch. And if the BIG dummy who runs the Executive Branch was a real Republican he would veto the bill. He has no balls nor a sack to carry them if he had them. He only vetoed stupid things and never a budget. > GWB is getting some help and not all from his own party. I'm a > conservative first and a Republican second. It sucks to have such > a mixed bag of big spenders and those who believe in fiscal > responsibility. The Republican administration ran up such a big debt that its greater than the total of all spending the nation has ever done with the exception off WWII. Thats a lot of money W blew. Didn't veto a freakin budget one. Guess that makes the BIG Republican complicit and worse because with the simple stroke of a pen he could have at least tried to stop one of the 6 budgets he had with money blowing Republican governments and 2 Democratic ones. But the Republicans are bigger spenders than the Democratics. > But voting R, I *might* get a big spender. Vote D and I *will* get > one. The Republicans have ALWAYS outspent Democratics. They absolutely did that under Bush. I believe he belongs to the NOT Democratic party. Kevin From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 05:37:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19989 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 13:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2008 13:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 13:37:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87566 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2008 13:37:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .uYdoxQVM1kN7qllZtuHBinJ.0SeAFrgte6aYUt_FQZwQwVtF_1xisyOih65x046f2gIYAn0lfqwVWJH6aJPDoBv8Dscy7FxRDE_c4WPzdoiGnIS.GXuebCeK9um9fFoB3eKofMH1lCWzlwk0.wDn34x X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:37:04 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 05:37:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <676467.86098.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=5kfq4otcJt0bbmSN8Yns9wZwOda3wwdo83zI94AlyzjH5okq5K4VPTo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio PMX BOB: We're glad you've found us. For over 10 years we've been trying to resurrect AM stereo, and thanks to that feature in many HD-AM radios, it still exists. As you well know, 20 of us here would all kill to own that Magnavox AM stereo radio that was on the front cover of Popular Electronics magazine in the late 70's (I know I would). Please do not destroy anything. We will find it all a home. The Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village might be a stop along the way. I would also suggest the Museum of Science & Industry in Chicago. How about the Radio & TV group that archives the old TV and radio shows? Did you install the hardware at WOWO? In my archives I still have info on the LM1981 chip and using it to decode PMX - which I did with WOWO with limited success - it kept on 'burping' on my breadboarded version (I was also a relatively young guy then). Glad to have you here Bob! 73's John From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 11:38:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78697 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 19:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2008 19:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 19:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2008 19:38:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2008 19:38:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:38:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <156035.49580.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.168 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=PqrL2Eg28ggjRAYMP9Sl_5MPi1Q4RVL2Zl657JZ_b2RJjE6bIw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > There has been in the past.=A0 As best as I can tell, Leonard Kahn=20 is a sore loser who had an inferior system. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 Who said the ISB AM Stereo system (Kahn) was an inferior system? Can=20 you prove it? The ISB (Independent SideBands) has the same base the SSB (Single=20 SideBands) system. If the SSB system is the best and strong system=20 to transmit some information in a media with the infamous "selective=20 fading" (as the MW and SW bands), then the ISB system is the best to=20 the normal AM, too. Kahn losed NOT BECAUSE HIS SYSTEM WAS BAD. HE JUST WAS A LOOSER=20 BECAUSE THE TYPICAL DOLLAR POWER EFFECT WORKED INSIDE THE FCC!!! (I=20 guess it is a very usual behaviour relative to all the politic=20 statements) Motorola won just because they had, and still have, all the=20 monstrous electronic chips empire. So, they could have all the C- QUAM receivers they wanted to have. They have all the money to "get"=20 the FCC final decision, too. But, I guess we will never know all=20 those "cryptic" mysterys of the history. According to the literature we have today, the best "phasing based"=20 AM Stereo system was Harris. I don't know. But, in a media where the=20 phase problems are a constant... I think it isn't a good idea to use=20 it to get stereo sound. OK, somebody could say: "But Kahn also used phasing tricks to get=20 the ISB". Yes, absolutely right, but he used it BEFORE the final RF=20 power amplifier (inside the TX). The final RF signal was just a pure=20 Independent SideBands signal, without any phase artifact. Today, with the digital technology, we could get ISB AM Stereo in a=20 very easy way (maybe in a cheap way, too). With digital technology, we could get C-QUAM too, of course. But the=20 phasing final problems (inherents to the propagation media, not the=20 system itself), will be the same. However, I'm happy because there is a RADIO issue in this forum,=20 AGAIN. LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 12:18:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96625 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 20:18:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2008 20:18:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 20:18:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59842 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2008 20:18:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: W8_Ar34VM1n81BFjTYTU3G.Nrld.9_gKxn1dTpbIdrkwPEBVTeCmmsLd0nq9.geTqPXqE9DR223yeDBZ.A19dXe__UhLcgYeljdBgRKvAcxtFzDw2b4MV755v9aptI7a0FTv8jVu7jKN.PeHCQl6Hu4TLMgUdaf840eYcPXIq.Qlp3rGHjqdEhEalIc- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:18:35 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:18:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <283353.58413.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=rE5J_91PbmfBny_GJd_jROFuqr-r_wlgnFsl6DuAdFlz68Q39YNq X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've read Kahn's system was only good to 6kc. whereas C-QuAM goes to 10 (& = probably higher).=A0 To me that makes it inferior.=A0 It doesn't sound as g= ood.=A0 Not to sound like I'm kissing up to our newest member but Magnavox'= s system sounded the best & it's a shame that wasn't our system now.=A0 But= we have a close 2nd in C-QuAM. Yeah, tell me about it!=A0 It was going to be all politics.=A0 Now if you'l= l excuse me I'm wired up & am going to do yard work eventually. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Fri, 12/5/08, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 2:38 PM =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, JNR = wrote: > > There has been in the past.=A0 As best as I can tell, Leonard Kahn=20 is a sore loser who had an inferior system. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 Who said the ISB AM Stereo system (Kahn) was an inferior system? Can=20 you prove it? The ISB (Independent SideBands) has the same base the SSB (Single=20 SideBands) system. If the SSB system is the best and strong system=20 to transmit some information in a media with the infamous "selective=20 fading" (as the MW and SW bands), then the ISB system is the best to=20 the normal AM, too. Kahn losed NOT BECAUSE HIS SYSTEM WAS BAD. HE JUST WAS A LOOSER=20 BECAUSE THE TYPICAL DOLLAR POWER EFFECT WORKED INSIDE THE FCC!!! (I=20 guess it is a very usual behaviour relative to all the politic=20 statements) Motorola won just because they had, and still have, all the=20 monstrous electronic chips empire. So, they could have all the C- QUAM receivers they wanted to have. They have all the money to "get"=20 the FCC final decision, too. But, I guess we will never know all=20 those "cryptic" mysterys of the history. According to the literature we have today, the best "phasing based"=20 AM Stereo system was Harris. I don't know. But, in a media where the=20 phase problems are a constant... I think it isn't a good idea to use=20 it to get stereo sound. OK, somebody could say: "But Kahn also used phasing tricks to get=20 the ISB". Yes, absolutely right, but he used it BEFORE the final RF=20 power amplifier (inside the TX). The final RF signal was just a pure=20 Independent SideBands signal, without any phase artifact. Today, with the digital technology, we could get ISB AM Stereo in a=20 very easy way (maybe in a cheap way, too). With digital technology, we could get C-QUAM too, of course. But the=20 phasing final problems (inherents to the propagation media, not the=20 system itself), will be the same. However, I'm happy because there is a RADIO issue in this forum,=20 AGAIN. LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love. =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 13:37:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16543 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 21:37:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2008 21:37:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 21:37:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2008 21:37:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2008 21:37:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:37:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <283353.58413.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.136 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=gvtHcYkwKu1dFEOBiTHskoyp4_eJRssdvilIdo8Dh4FWn8sLqA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I've read Kahn's system was only good to 6kc. whereas C-QuAM goes=20 to 10 (& probably higher).=A0 To me that makes it inferior.=A0 It=20 doesn't sound as good.=A0 Not to sound like I'm kissing up to our=20 newest member but Magnavox's system sounded the best & it's a shame=20 that wasn't our system now.=A0 But we have a close 2nd in C-QuAM. >=20 > Yeah, tell me about it!=A0 It was going to be all politics.=A0 Now if=20 you'll excuse me I'm wired up & am going to do yard work eventually. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 Yes, you're right. I've read the same about Kahn and I thought it=20 was the truth. But... "as the time goes by", the only one experience=20 I know about Kahn doesn't have any frecuency limit. I guess yesterday (in 1980 decade), there were some "electronics"=20 limitations (not inherent to Kahn), but not today. Unfortunately, if we have some AM Stereo today, it isn't ISB. So...=20 we can't compare it now. By the way, I wrote a document about to join ISB (but not the=20 original Kahn system) with C-QUAM, at the same time, to get 4 audio=20 channels at the same time into one only AM TX. If somebody is=20 interested on it, look for it into the FILES menu (at the left of=20 this forum). It is a crazy proposal, not tested yet, but I'm sure it=20 works. LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 14:12:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16392 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 22:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2008 22:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 22:12:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44456 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2008 22:12:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qG0CAUQVM1mmcS4QHEPcP0cEPBQPeGLf81sGD1J5CYIRA.jUgvOyXOetjXgaCGCZzNqkcaT_dBVZ5GI.S9i2PybiKym4nSBxbaBK69f4iPjUQYIsgP9RWiA8Gzg6QntxNOX4u792dkaAdSGjv1YY60AOBUlI_fE_7jV.01qC6H9WzuIoVpQFkbJlPD0- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:12:02 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:12:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <518934.42149.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=sJel7_IzpGV5HVEjCTv5Z4ZdoJ-7nKxhRO4Muuf70cB_5l7KDRtc X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I remember talk about that a few years ago.=A0 Essentially it IS possible t= o do "quadraphonic" AM radio.=A0 In fact, one engineer @ 1450-Portland, Ore= gon apparently did actually do it because C-QuAM is very close to how one m= ultiplexed quadraphonic system works.=A0 So if you have this quad decoder h= ooked up to an A.M. stereo receiver & the station is stereo & playing a qua= d record then it WILL decode on the listener's end AS quad! I was thinking, what would be the best way to transmit A.M. shortwave stere= o?=A0 Would U.S. broadcasters HAVE to use C-QuAM or is the F.C.C.'s decisio= n just an A.M. BAND (mediumwave) one?=A0 Could PMX or ISB work on S.W.? By the way Juan: you said you are or were working @ a Chilean A.M. station.= =A0 Which one & what is your job there?=A0 Also do the Chilean stations ide= ntify with their calls ever or are they just a formality?=A0 For instance, = does "CB53" on 530kHz identify as such or "Radio Andes"?=A0=A0=A0 Again, I = made that station up to serve as an example?=A0 Finally, we don't have any = Chilean stations listed as AM stereo.=A0 Do any stations broadcast in stere= o? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Fri, 12/5/08, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:37 PM =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, JNR = wrote: > > I've read Kahn's system was only good to 6kc. whereas C-QuAM goes=20 to 10 (& probably higher).=A0 To me that makes it inferior.=A0 It=20 doesn't sound as good.=A0 Not to sound like I'm kissing up to our=20 newest member but Magnavox's system sounded the best & it's a shame=20 that wasn't our system now.=A0 But we have a close 2nd in C-QuAM. >=20 > Yeah, tell me about it!=A0 It was going to be all politics.=A0 Now if=20 you'll excuse me I'm wired up & am going to do yard work eventually. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 Yes, you're right. I've read the same about Kahn and I thought it=20 was the truth. But... "as the time goes by", the only one experience=20 I know about Kahn doesn't have any frecuency limit. I guess yesterday (in 1980 decade), there were some "electronics"=20 limitations (not inherent to Kahn), but not today. Unfortunately, if we have some AM Stereo today, it isn't ISB. So...=20 we can't compare it now. By the way, I wrote a document about to join ISB (but not the=20 original Kahn system) with C-QUAM, at the same time, to get 4 audio=20 channels at the same time into one only AM TX. If somebody is=20 interested on it, look for it into the FILES menu (at the left of=20 this forum). It is a crazy proposal, not tested yet, but I'm sure it=20 works. LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 14:37:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37717 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 22:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2008 22:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 22:37:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20777 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2008 22:37:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 36JyL8MVM1nP1lSFuI2hZEzkXcxbrayU9H8Kc1_Gt_NGfByEUKuTdrYsG.MVRXM2Pgx4jU9VZSQgrdexvEVSlCvD8FH75kS8QdNdKWD7D6_xblmSfEb4N8xEJVL_j5CINBpx9dtcRDsJhXS_O2g6IXBf5I5dS2UnMyEfUz.Pqi2F4IZpUbt3y._l7mkl X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:37:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:37:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <676467.86098.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <74681.20555.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=o3GCwPgHxttCSyk5zHKMjJFUdYPsvZ_1vmdRZJoskoUApw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Make that 21! I would also love to get my hands on a Continental Electronics 302-A PMX exciter, or at least the diagram of the phase modulator section. For me, PMX was the clear winner, too bad politics had to rob us of it's awesome sound. Anybody that heard WOWO on an SRF-A100 knows what I mean! George --- On Fri, 12/5/08, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Re: History of AM Stereo Competition > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:37 AM > PMX BOB: We're glad you've found us. For over 10 > years we've been trying to resurrect AM stereo, and > thanks to that feature in many HD-AM radios, it still > exists. As you well know, 20 of us here would all kill to > own that Magnavox AM stereo radio that was on the front > cover of Popular Electronics magazine in the late 70's > (I know I would). > > Please do not destroy anything. > We will find it all a home. > The Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village might be a > stop along the way. I would also suggest the Museum of > Science & Industry in Chicago. How about the Radio & > TV group that archives the old TV and radio shows? > > Did you install the hardware at WOWO? In my archives I > still have info on the LM1981 chip and using it to decode > PMX - which I did with WOWO with limited success - it kept > on 'burping' on my breadboarded version (I was also > a relatively young guy then). > > Glad to have you here Bob! > 73's > John From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 14:43:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95323 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 22:43:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2008 22:43:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 22:43:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33971 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2008 22:43:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Bo4rnmgVM1m_V76h5T57Ogmy.w4VWWpxOxXihi.TP.55x8PggMFekozFsCEs3LibLhEh9nTmLVwvvIIzJZuLd1ux1C48kq761l8jSqAcBjFDxyB4BKryGv.gHQg7FOudl3Vk.0KYloN14OSJnYTg9P9NP5QIrjmV2HtnJ4BZm47B8nT7wmlK31.tT0lV X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:43:28 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:43:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <283353.58413.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <525862.33407.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ty7vRJ0dnD8ooRgsq2fMJG-J8AQljorUD5Ym6x8kPwn8WQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Coolest thing about PMX was that it was a LINEAR phase modulation system. Assuming a decent phase detector, it was capable of excellent separation an= d superior sound quality. Those who never heard it don't know what they mis= sed! There is a great air-check of WOWO on YouTube one of the members post= ed, it sounds darn good, even though it was decoded with a C-QUAM decoder! = Imagine how good it must have been through a PMX decoder, which is basicall= y what the Sony multi-mode receivers had. George =20=20 --- On Fri, 12/5/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 3:18 PM > I've read Kahn's system was only good to 6kc. > whereas C-QuAM goes to 10 (& probably higher).=A0 To me > that makes it inferior.=A0 It doesn't sound as good.=A0 > Not to sound like I'm kissing up to our newest member > but Magnavox's system sounded the best & it's a > shame that wasn't our system now.=A0 But we have a close > 2nd in C-QuAM. >=20 > Yeah, tell me about it!=A0 It was going to be all > politics.=A0 Now if you'll excuse me I'm wired up > & am going to do yard work eventually. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, jotape1960 > wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 2:38 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, JNR > wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > There has been in the past.=A0 As best as I can tell, > Leonard Kahn=20 >=20 > is a sore loser who had an inferior system. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > 73, >=20 > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Who said the ISB AM Stereo system (Kahn) was an inferior > system? Can=20 >=20 > you prove it? >=20 >=20 >=20 > The ISB (Independent SideBands) has the same base the SSB > (Single=20 >=20 > SideBands) system. If the SSB system is the best and strong > system=20 >=20 > to transmit some information in a media with the infamous > "selective=20 >=20 > fading" (as the MW and SW bands), then the ISB system > is the best to=20 >=20 > the normal AM, too. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Kahn losed NOT BECAUSE HIS SYSTEM WAS BAD. HE JUST WAS A > LOOSER=20 >=20 > BECAUSE THE TYPICAL DOLLAR POWER EFFECT WORKED INSIDE THE > FCC!!! (I=20 >=20 > guess it is a very usual behaviour relative to all the > politic=20 >=20 > statements) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Motorola won just because they had, and still have, all the >=20 >=20 > monstrous electronic chips empire. So, they could have all > the C- >=20 > QUAM receivers they wanted to have. They have all the money > to "get"=20 >=20 > the FCC final decision, too. But, I guess we will never > know all=20 >=20 > those "cryptic" mysterys of the history. >=20 >=20 >=20 > According to the literature we have today, the best > "phasing based"=20 >=20 > AM Stereo system was Harris. I don't know. But, in a > media where the=20 >=20 > phase problems are a constant... I think it isn't a > good idea to use=20 >=20 > it to get stereo sound. >=20 >=20 >=20 > OK, somebody could say: "But Kahn also used phasing > tricks to get=20 >=20 > the ISB". Yes, absolutely right, but he used it BEFORE > the final RF=20 >=20 > power amplifier (inside the TX). The final RF signal was > just a pure=20 >=20 > Independent SideBands signal, without any phase artifact. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Today, with the digital technology, we could get ISB AM > Stereo in a=20 >=20 > very easy way (maybe in a cheap way, too). >=20 >=20 >=20 > With digital technology, we could get C-QUAM too, of > course. But the=20 >=20 > phasing final problems (inherents to the propagation media, > not the=20 >=20 > system itself), will be the same. >=20 >=20 >=20 > However, I'm happy because there is a RADIO issue in > this forum,=20 >=20 > AGAIN. >=20 >=20 >=20 > LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. >=20 > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 14:51:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72566 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2008 22:51:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2008 22:51:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2008 22:51:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73507 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2008 22:51:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .p.5LesVM1nfig018J8qbd8DhmYmkX2GL9hmarBcvBooSURpY3pGD_eky4hMDYEkM.yp8muqDk0rH_.ShUo9nWDNP2GmGLAFovLBfMTrvAItUDHb8HXfUGdjEGd9OkuPWKMJfs.VOGR28pkJSGQN8aozLxhGXeGd1BiGk.zfqSQXoIPCm8uSdleynb0D X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:51:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:51:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <518934.42149.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <947525.73123.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TIfWOeN-ocTJbnJTYzwkxf2cQY1xqL9YaVj7tGVrHWCJqw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 It is possible to broadcast quad on ANY stereo radio system, AM or FM. All that needs to be done is to play an SQ or QS record (or other such enco= ded source). Most of the quad FM stations in the 70's did NOTHING to conve= rt to quad except obtain matrix-encoded records and tapes, although to hear= some of them brag, you would think they rebuilt the station from the groun= d up. The quad information is simply phase differences between left and rig= ht, so to the chain and transmitter, it is JUST audio. Now DISCRETE quad is another story! I've seen a proposed FM system, which = is 4-2-1 channel compatible, anybody know of an AM system? George --- On Fri, 12/5/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 5:12 PM > I remember talk about that a few years ago.=A0 Essentially it > IS possible to do "quadraphonic" AM radio.=A0 In > fact, one engineer @ 1450-Portland, Oregon apparently did > actually do it because C-QuAM is very close to how one > multiplexed quadraphonic system works.=A0 So if you have this > quad decoder hooked up to an A.M. stereo receiver & the > station is stereo & playing a quad record then it WILL > decode on the listener's end AS quad! >=20 > I was thinking, what would be the best way to transmit A.M. > shortwave stereo?=A0 Would U.S. broadcasters HAVE to use > C-QuAM or is the F.C.C.'s decision just an A.M. BAND > (mediumwave) one?=A0 Could PMX or ISB work on S.W.? >=20 > By the way Juan: you said you are or were working @ a > Chilean A.M. station.=A0 Which one & what is your job > there?=A0 Also do the Chilean stations identify with their > calls ever or are they just a formality?=A0 For instance, > does "CB53" on 530kHz identify as such or > "Radio Andes"?=A0=A0=A0 Again, I made that station up > to serve as an example?=A0 Finally, we don't have any > Chilean stations listed as AM stereo.=A0 Do any stations > broadcast in stereo? >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, jotape1960 > wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:37 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, JNR > wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > I've read Kahn's system was only good to 6kc. > whereas C-QuAM goes=20 >=20 > to 10 (& probably higher).=A0 To me that makes it > inferior.=A0 It=20 >=20 > doesn't sound as good.=A0 Not to sound like I'm > kissing up to our=20 >=20 > newest member but Magnavox's system sounded the best > & it's a shame=20 >=20 > that wasn't our system now.=A0 But we have a close 2nd > in C-QuAM. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Yeah, tell me about it!=A0 It was going to be all > politics.=A0 Now if=20 >=20 > you'll excuse me I'm wired up & am going to do > yard work eventually. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > 73, >=20 > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yes, you're right. I've read the same about Kahn > and I thought it=20 >=20 > was the truth. But... "as the time goes by", the > only one experience=20 >=20 > I know about Kahn doesn't have any frecuency limit. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I guess yesterday (in 1980 decade), there were some > "electronics"=20 >=20 > limitations (not inherent to Kahn), but not today. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Unfortunately, if we have some AM Stereo today, it > isn't ISB. So...=20 >=20 > we can't compare it now. >=20 >=20 >=20 > By the way, I wrote a document about to join ISB (but not > the=20 >=20 > original Kahn system) with C-QUAM, at the same time, to get > 4 audio=20 >=20 > channels at the same time into one only AM TX. If somebody > is=20 >=20 > interested on it, look for it into the FILES menu (at the > left of=20 >=20 > this forum). It is a crazy proposal, not tested yet, but > I'm sure it=20 >=20 > works. >=20 >=20 >=20 > LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. >=20 > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 16:10:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1288 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 00:10:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 00:10:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 00:10:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 00:10:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 00:10:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:10:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <947525.73123.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.27.193 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=y2d9WEGhN_CjQrPGp9l7ovFweCTJ-nhalK_al6SsT_o X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 I'm not sure how a quadrophonic radio system would help any better=20 the radio broadcast industry... Yes I'm sure it can be done, one way=20 or another... But for what purpose? To hear a news on quad, or to=20 listen live sports events and understand were the ball is ecatly now=20 inside the field?=20 The best quad (if I can say it like that) system I've ever heard was=20 at mid 70's... and was made by the JVC! I had the pleasure to hear it=20 with a demo TAPE!!! on a portable!!! radio cassete player that a navy=20 captain had bring from Japan! The system had three selections...=20 Classic Stereo mode, the later well known as Spatial Sound Stereo=20 that was working with all common stereo recordings available, and the=20 unbelievable Bi-phonic JVC system that had to use a special recording=20 method for tapes... The sound of it? Just incredible!!! I have heard=20 Marantz quadrophonic systems with the vinyl records needed to work=20 right, and nothing was even close to the JVC Bi-phonic fidelity!=20 Even todays 5.1 surround systems cant do like it back then...=20 There was a special demo tape that was sold together with the=20 portable boombox. The tape was started with just some stereo music=20 form classic orchestra.... Nothing special at start. After a minute=20 or two, and while you were listen the orchestra, you were disturbed=20 by a fly that comes near you, and almost goes inside your ear! As=20=20 everyone will do, I've started to wave my hand to fear the fly and go=20 away! Well the fly was there, but not for real! It was there, but=20 the "there" was... in the recording! I will no go and say about any=20 other parts of that demo tape! That fly flying near my ears for=20 almost 5 minutes, has been the best quadrophonic / surround demo I=20 have ever heard in my life, and is the comparable feeling for all=20 others I have heard since then!!!=20 For radio? I'm not sure if I wanted to drive my car listen some=20 stereo tunes, and suddendly a fly will disturb me so bad, from=20 driving... :)=20 =20=20=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > It is possible to broadcast quad on ANY stereo radio system, AM or=20 FM. > All that needs to be done is to play an SQ or QS record (or other=20 such encoded source). Most of the quad FM stations in the 70's did=20 NOTHING to convert to quad except obtain matrix-encoded records and=20 tapes, although to hear some of them brag, you would think they=20 rebuilt the station from the ground up. The quad information is=20 simply phase differences between left and right, so to the chain and=20 transmitter, it is JUST audio. > Now DISCRETE quad is another story! I've seen a proposed FM=20 system, which is 4-2-1 channel compatible, anybody know of an AM=20 system? > George >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, JNR wrote: >=20 > > From: JNR > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 5:12 PM > > I remember talk about that a few years ago.=A0 Essentially it > > IS possible to do "quadraphonic" AM radio.=A0 In > > fact, one engineer @ 1450-Portland, Oregon apparently did > > actually do it because C-QuAM is very close to how one > > multiplexed quadraphonic system works.=A0 So if you have this > > quad decoder hooked up to an A.M. stereo receiver & the > > station is stereo & playing a quad record then it WILL > > decode on the listener's end AS quad! > >=20 > > I was thinking, what would be the best way to transmit A.M. > > shortwave stereo?=A0 Would U.S. broadcasters HAVE to use > > C-QuAM or is the F.C.C.'s decision just an A.M. BAND > > (mediumwave) one?=A0 Could PMX or ISB work on S.W.? > >=20 > > By the way Juan: you said you are or were working @ a > > Chilean A.M. station.=A0 Which one & what is your job > > there?=A0 Also do the Chilean stations identify with their > > calls ever or are they just a formality?=A0 For instance, > > does "CB53" on 530kHz identify as such or > > "Radio Andes"?=A0=A0=A0 Again, I made that station up > > to serve as an example?=A0 Finally, we don't have any > > Chilean stations listed as AM stereo.=A0 Do any stations > > broadcast in stereo? > >=20 > > 73, > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 > >=20 > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, jotape1960 > > wrote: > > From: jotape1960 > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:37 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, JNR > > wrote: > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > I've read Kahn's system was only good to 6kc. > > whereas C-QuAM goes=20 > >=20 > > to 10 (& probably higher).=A0 To me that makes it > > inferior.=A0 It=20 > >=20 > > doesn't sound as good.=A0 Not to sound like I'm > > kissing up to our=20 > >=20 > > newest member but Magnavox's system sounded the best > > & it's a shame=20 > >=20 > > that wasn't our system now.=A0 But we have a close 2nd > > in C-QuAM. > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > > Yeah, tell me about it!=A0 It was going to be all > > politics.=A0 Now if=20 > >=20 > > you'll excuse me I'm wired up & am going to do > > yard work eventually. > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > > 73, > >=20 > > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Yes, you're right. I've read the same about Kahn > > and I thought it=20 > >=20 > > was the truth. But... "as the time goes by", the > > only one experience=20 > >=20 > > I know about Kahn doesn't have any frecuency limit. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > I guess yesterday (in 1980 decade), there were some > > "electronics"=20 > >=20 > > limitations (not inherent to Kahn), but not today. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Unfortunately, if we have some AM Stereo today, it > > isn't ISB. So...=20 > >=20 > > we can't compare it now. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > By the way, I wrote a document about to join ISB (but not > > the=20 > >=20 > > original Kahn system) with C-QUAM, at the same time, to get > > 4 audio=20 > >=20 > > channels at the same time into one only AM TX. If somebody > > is=20 > >=20 > > interested on it, look for it into the FILES menu (at the > > left of=20 > >=20 > > this forum). It is a crazy proposal, not tested yet, but > > I'm sure it=20 > >=20 > > works. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > >=20 > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 16:42:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6682 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 00:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 00:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 00:42:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87993 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2008 00:42:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gA_Wv1sVM1lEaqlu_9886V4.TYgVzNYKc.Jj.7up3xyL0dfqQvys6R9CW.KH3iz6sGip3dIHV1RBrqi9IfZnWHOJGHiu5fNQcpYnOC_CJ_2byLqa0mJwCEJGj0MoGMh7sU3tWupNtcsNzxebkGFfT5D.Fu7EVxBm9MX4wWmYnmk8Mqb1cvJe5F14Vszs X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:42:11 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:42:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <980979.87849.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=jZl-_n0oIfctS3PRT0gQZCpm1DG4bNESS5jsv2dwfMv5Kw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You can easily get that same startlingly accurate spacial effect, by actual= ly recording with microphones in your ears, then playing back with headphon= es. The whole idea is to keep the phase relationships the same as they wou= ld be through your ears. My favorite mike for live recording is actually ju= st two eletret condenser elements, with a bit of black tape to make inserti= on into the ear easier, and they are wired to an old Walkman headphone cord= . I recently went out walking during a good thunder storm, recording this way= onto a Minidisc, and on playback, it is amazing! Raindrops hitting my hea= d actually sound like they do on playback. Total cost of the mike set...$1= 0. (One huge drawback...don't talk while wearing the mikes, it is an unbeli= evably weird effect!) I'll try it with a buzzing fly sometime next spring, if I can stand the cri= tter around me long enough, hah-hah!=20=20=20 Best speaker-based surround I ever heard was an old three-projector wide-sc= reen process called Cinerama. The audio was on 35 mm. magnetic tape, seven = channels, and 29 i.p.s., it could give modern digital a run for the money! = (Damn, I'm old!) G=20=20 --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Sotiris wrote: > From: Sotiris > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 7:10 PM > Hi=20 > I'm not sure how a quadrophonic radio system would help > any better=20 > the radio broadcast industry... Yes I'm sure it can be > done, one way=20 > or another... But for what purpose? To hear a news on quad, > or to=20 > listen live sports events and understand were the ball is > ecatly now=20 > inside the field?=20 > The best quad (if I can say it like that) system I've > ever heard was=20 > at mid 70's... and was made by the JVC! I had the > pleasure to hear it=20 > with a demo TAPE!!! on a portable!!! radio cassete player > that a navy=20 > captain had bring from Japan! The system had three > selections...=20 > Classic Stereo mode, the later well known as Spatial Sound > Stereo=20 > that was working with all common stereo recordings > available, and the=20 > unbelievable Bi-phonic JVC system that had to use a special > recording=20 > method for tapes... The sound of it? Just incredible!!! I > have heard=20 > Marantz quadrophonic systems with the vinyl records needed > to work=20 > right, and nothing was even close to the JVC Bi-phonic > fidelity!=20 > Even todays 5.1 surround systems cant do like it back > then...=20 >=20 > There was a special demo tape that was sold together with > the=20 > portable boombox. The tape was started with just some > stereo music=20 > form classic orchestra.... Nothing special at start. After > a minute=20 > or two, and while you were listen the orchestra, you were > disturbed=20 > by a fly that comes near you, and almost goes inside your > ear! As=20=20 > everyone will do, I've started to wave my hand to fear > the fly and go=20 > away! Well the fly was there, but not for real! It was > there, but=20 > the "there" was... in the recording! I will no go > and say about any=20 > other parts of that demo tape! That fly flying near my ears > for=20 > almost 5 minutes, has been the best quadrophonic / surround > demo I=20 > have ever heard in my life, and is the comparable feeling > for all=20 > others I have heard since then!!!=20 >=20 > For radio? I'm not sure if I wanted to drive my car > listen some=20 > stereo tunes, and suddendly a fly will disturb me so bad, > from=20 > driving... :)=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > =20 > wrote: > > > > It is possible to broadcast quad on ANY stereo radio > system, AM or=20 > FM. > > All that needs to be done is to play an SQ or QS > record (or other=20 > such encoded source). Most of the quad FM stations in the > 70's did=20 > NOTHING to convert to quad except obtain matrix-encoded > records and=20 > tapes, although to hear some of them brag, you would think > they=20 > rebuilt the station from the ground up. The quad > information is=20 > simply phase differences between left and right, so to the > chain and=20 > transmitter, it is JUST audio. > > Now DISCRETE quad is another story! I've seen a > proposed FM=20 > system, which is 4-2-1 channel compatible, anybody know of > an AM=20 > system? > > George > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, JNR > wrote: > >=20 > > > From: JNR > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo > Competition > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 5:12 PM > > > I remember talk about that a few years ago.=A0 > Essentially it > > > IS possible to do "quadraphonic" AM > radio.=A0 In > > > fact, one engineer @ 1450-Portland, Oregon > apparently did > > > actually do it because C-QuAM is very close to > how one > > > multiplexed quadraphonic system works.=A0 So if > you have this > > > quad decoder hooked up to an A.M. stereo receiver > & the > > > station is stereo & playing a quad record > then it WILL > > > decode on the listener's end AS quad! > > >=20 > > > I was thinking, what would be the best way to > transmit A.M. > > > shortwave stereo?=A0 Would U.S. broadcasters HAVE > to use > > > C-QuAM or is the F.C.C.'s decision just an > A.M. BAND > > > (mediumwave) one?=A0 Could PMX or ISB work on > S.W.? > > >=20 > > > By the way Juan: you said you are or were working > @ a > > > Chilean A.M. station.=A0 Which one & what is > your job > > > there?=A0 Also do the Chilean stations identify > with their > > > calls ever or are they just a formality?=A0 For > instance, > > > does "CB53" on 530kHz identify as such > or > > > "Radio Andes"?=A0=A0=A0 Again, I made that > station up > > > to serve as an example?=A0 Finally, we don't > have any > > > Chilean stations listed as AM stereo.=A0 Do any > stations > > > broadcast in stereo? > > >=20 > > > 73, > > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 > > >=20 > > > --- On Fri, 12/5/08, jotape1960 > > > wrote: > > > From: jotape1960 > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo > Competition > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 4:37 PM > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. > com, JNR > > > wrote: > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > I've read Kahn's system was only > good to 6kc. > > > whereas C-QuAM goes=20 > > >=20 > > > to 10 (& probably higher).=A0 To me that makes > it > > > inferior.=A0 It=20 > > >=20 > > > doesn't sound as good.=A0 Not to sound like > I'm > > > kissing up to our=20 > > >=20 > > > newest member but Magnavox's system sounded > the best > > > & it's a shame=20 > > >=20 > > > that wasn't our system now.=A0 But we have a > close 2nd > > > in C-QuAM. > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > Yeah, tell me about it!=A0 It was going to be > all > > > politics.=A0 Now if=20 > > >=20 > > > you'll excuse me I'm wired up & am > going to do > > > yard work eventually. > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > 73, > > >=20 > > > > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Yes, you're right. I've read the same > about Kahn > > > and I thought it=20 > > >=20 > > > was the truth. But... "as the time goes > by", the > > > only one experience=20 > > >=20 > > > I know about Kahn doesn't have any frecuency > limit. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > I guess yesterday (in 1980 decade), there were > some > > > "electronics"=20 > > >=20 > > > limitations (not inherent to Kahn), but not > today. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Unfortunately, if we have some AM Stereo today, > it > > > isn't ISB. So...=20 > > >=20 > > > we can't compare it now. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > By the way, I wrote a document about to join ISB > (but not > > > the=20 > > >=20 > > > original Kahn system) with C-QUAM, at the same > time, to get > > > 4 audio=20 > > >=20 > > > channels at the same time into one only AM TX. If > somebody > > > is=20 > > >=20 > > > interested on it, look for it into the FILES menu > (at the > > > left of=20 > > >=20 > > > this forum). It is a crazy proposal, not tested > yet, but > > > I'm sure it=20 > > >=20 > > > works. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > >=20 > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > >=20=09 > > >=20=09=20 > > >=20=09 > > >=20=09 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=09 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=09 > > >=20=09 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > =20=20=20=20=20=20 From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Fri Dec 05 19:42:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26226 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 03:42:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 03:42:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 03:42:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 03:42:04 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.226] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 03:42:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:42:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.120.171.109 From: "Bob" Subject: AM Stereo History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=lXxQsVpkh7snaVZucPWOsSCgpmhO3WtqgkbxpDt25OWOJ058hLRu X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 All, Thanks to those of you who have commented to me about my collection=20 of AM Stereo historical artifacts. I have placed a detailed=20 inventory in the folder "AMSHistory". The file named "InHistSoc_Donated_Nov08.doc" is a record of the=20 material donated and accepted by the Indiana Historical Society,=20 Indianapolis,IN. They will be cataloging the donated material and=20 entering it into their archival storage facility. While this may=20 take some time, it is my understanding that there will eventually be=20 a summary on-line record of the archived material on the Indiana=20 Historical Society web site. The material may be accessed in person=20 at the historical society for research purposes only. The file named "InHistSoc_Req_Dec08.doc" is a listing of the material=20 I have offered to donate to the Indiana Historical Society they=20 requested as a future donation. No timetable for the delivery of the=20 documents has been set as of 6 December 2008. The file named "Homeless_Artifacts_asof_Dec08.doc" is material I am=20 hopeful of finding an archival storage facility for if the Indiana=20 Historical Society maintains no interest in accepting this portion of=20 the artifact collection. I have indicated that the technical content=20 of the collection will be enhanced by having all the documentation in=20 one place. Otherwise, it is like hearing one side of a 5-way=20 technical conversation. Bob From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 01:59:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42800 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 09:59:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 09:59:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 09:59:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 09:59:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 09:59:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:59:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.120.171.109 From: "Bob" Subject: AM Stereo History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=jXfxRDkpQmEBR3XL2AbLsbCAOuQayUppQtR2AgSMbLvOXmW_iFtS X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 All interested: I also added a file of the hardware available that has been cataloged=20 and awaiting archival storage (if there is such a thing for hardware). As I recall, the last time broadcast technology saw a competition like=20 this was the Color Television wars, wherein the color wheel=20 (sequential) system was initially selected by the FCC, and later=20 overturned by the FCC in favor of RCA's NTSC system. As far as I know,=20 none of the equipment used in that competition has survived in acrhival=20 storage. There is still a lot of material that has not been cataloged. There is=20 all the broadcast hardware stored in my garage (ugh!), the automobile=20 receivers used in the Delco field testing, the hardware used to make=20 the PMX system a 3 channel system (left, right, plus slow speed data on=20 the pilot tone)(demoed OTA at WOWO to the local newspaper), many slides=20 and personal photographs, the video tapes of the FCC hearings on AM=20 Stereo, and about another 2 feet worth of documentation. Not shown on the list of items accepted by the Indiana Historical=20 Society is a Sony SRF-A100 AM Stereo receiver (NIB)(USA source). Also=20 not shown is an album of photographs taken by Ron Jones of CRL=20 Laboratories (deceased about a year or so ago due to respiratory=20 distress) of the transmitter installations at WIRE in August 1982, and=20 KMJJ in December 1982. KMJJ was used as a demo broadcast station at=20 the Las Vegas Consumer Electronics show. The album also has a few=20 photos of the Magnavox AM Stereo display at the Las Vegas CES. Bob From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Dec 06 03:46:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62485 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 11:46:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 11:46:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 11:46:57 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so207367yxi.68 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:46:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.201.17 with SMTP id y17mr3661874ybf.165.1228564016593; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:46:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.12.5 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 03:46:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80812060346x4ce2e039kd56b8b078ef5fce3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:46:56 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=1h238V_sRqobwWOybngoWgwNojplw3KJcW6KiCUw0Zupu0xL9zR8gp_J X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What on god's green earth has this list turned into? It's about AM Stereo and related issues.. I've seen NOTHING but political posts and stuff like that for the last 2 months or so. If this were going on over on some other lists like ABDX or BC.. it'd be quashed immediately... and those who would quash it on their lists, are freely participating in the incredibly off topic discussions here its frankly getting extremely annoying.. and I'm not the only one who thinks so. I've had SEVERAL members of THIS list contact me privately over their frustration with it. Obviously, we have no moderator.. however, I would be more then happy to volunteer my time to clean up this list and keep things in check. -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 05:13:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2731 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 13:13:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 13:13:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 13:13:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 13:13:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.229] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 13:13:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:13:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.27.193 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: AM Stereo History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=mj1zmW8VF_liRpG_68jz1b6yWwLk5lfQwjUuFoWRRS8 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Mr Streeter There is a copy of a manual that I would love to have here! :)=20 At InHistSoc_Req_Dec08.doc Box 6 you have included the=20 Item 20: Instruction Manual for Panasonic VP-8252A AM Stereo Signal=20 Generator I'm trying to locate this document more than 3-4 years now, as I got=20 3 of them here, without any luck! Is it possible to have a photocopy=20 or an e-form copy of it (I'll pay of course all needed cost to have=20 it)?=20 I think that all these documents and related stuff you've there,=20 should be placed all together at one place, as it seems that their=20 combined value for a future reference is much higher. Hope you will=20 get a good "home" for them, and these great info about the AM Analog=20=20 Stereo history will not be lost, as it is for sure an important part=20 of the development of the radio broadcasting!=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" wrote: > > All interested: >=20 > I also added a file of the hardware available that has been=20 cataloged=20 > and awaiting archival storage (if there is such a thing for=20 hardware). >=20 > As I recall, the last time broadcast technology saw a competition=20 like=20 > this was the Color Television wars, wherein the color wheel=20 > (sequential) system was initially selected by the FCC, and later=20 > overturned by the FCC in favor of RCA's NTSC system. As far as I=20 know,=20 > none of the equipment used in that competition has survived in=20 acrhival=20 > storage. >=20 > There is still a lot of material that has not been cataloged.=20=20 There is=20 > all the broadcast hardware stored in my garage (ugh!), the=20 automobile=20 > receivers used in the Delco field testing, the hardware used to=20 make=20 > the PMX system a 3 channel system (left, right, plus slow speed=20 data on=20 > the pilot tone)(demoed OTA at WOWO to the local newspaper), many=20 slides=20 > and personal photographs, the video tapes of the FCC hearings on AM=20 > Stereo, and about another 2 feet worth of documentation. >=20 > Not shown on the list of items accepted by the Indiana Historical=20 > Society is a Sony SRF-A100 AM Stereo receiver (NIB)(USA source).=20=20 Also=20 > not shown is an album of photographs taken by Ron Jones of CRL=20 > Laboratories (deceased about a year or so ago due to respiratory=20 > distress) of the transmitter installations at WIRE in August 1982,=20 and=20 > KMJJ in December 1982. KMJJ was used as a demo broadcast station=20 at=20 > the Las Vegas Consumer Electronics show. The album also has a few=20 > photos of the Magnavox AM Stereo display at the Las Vegas CES. >=20 > Bob > From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Dec 06 05:30:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73565 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 13:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 13:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f14.google.com) (209.85.221.14) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 13:30:45 -0000 X-Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so593504qyk.15 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:30:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.215.66.8 with SMTP id t8mr1101596qak.160.1228570242179; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:30:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.88.48.182.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.88.48.182.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.88.48.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm2452510yxk.4.2008.12.06.05.30.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:30:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6526A53E-7EF9-4E99-97DA-F608ED9D83BE@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:30:31 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=CNj5K0qJMxGtvK_-RxJcAaQ01UHfLqaWtgcY-DDpjrpFU-aw_MEHtpiFT2bAIg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 6, 2008, at 4:59 AM, Bob wrote: > As far as I know, none of the equipment used in that competition has > survived in acrhival storage. There is just a set-up in the WJR-TV Display at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, MI. > The album also has a few photos of the Magnavox AM Stereo display > at the Las Vegas CES. Could you post some of those pictures here? Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Dec 06 05:43:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20087 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 13:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 13:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 13:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 13:43:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 13:43:41 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:43:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80812060346x4ce2e039kd56b8b078ef5fce3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.146.2.183 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=A2wnCzBppw23Tgb4ZNMGtlHEp3WY7OozRlNF83IK-inLZ0g X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr."=20 wrote: > > What on god's green earth has this list turned into? >=20 > It's about AM Stereo and related issues.. I've seen NOTHING but=20 political > posts and stuff like that for the last 2 months or so. If this were=20 going on > over on some other lists like ABDX or BC.. it'd be quashed=20 immediately... > and those who would quash it on their lists, are freely=20 participating in the > incredibly off topic discussions here >=20 > its frankly getting extremely annoying.. and I'm not the only one=20 who thinks > so. I've had SEVERAL members of THIS list contact me privately over=20 their > frustration with it. >=20 > Obviously, we have no moderator.. however, I would be more then=20 happy to > volunteer my time to clean up this list and keep things in check. >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.onairdj.com > walkerbroadcasting@... >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Paul, The last few days the list HAS been AM Stereo. Maybe you are not=20 getting all the posts. Check your settings or your SPAM filter. Yes, we are back to AM Stereo. Speaking of ABDX, I never see you on there anymore.=20 Juan Fort Pierce, FL From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Dec 06 05:46:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72996 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 13:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 13:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 13:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 13:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.200] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 13:46:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:46:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.146.2.183 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: AM Stereo History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=nAqu-u1eb0uvA0pCspZVw0MDzpG9GfhFrgC4JntYqnSXW9g X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" wrote: > > All interested: >=20 > I also added a file of the hardware available that has been=20 cataloged=20 > and awaiting archival storage (if there is such a thing for=20 hardware). >=20 > As I recall, the last time broadcast technology saw a competition=20 like=20 > this was the Color Television wars, wherein the color wheel=20 > (sequential) system was initially selected by the FCC, and later=20 > overturned by the FCC in favor of RCA's NTSC system. As far as I=20 know,=20 > none of the equipment used in that competition has survived in=20 acrhival=20 > storage. >=20 > There is still a lot of material that has not been cataloged.=20=20 There is=20 > all the broadcast hardware stored in my garage (ugh!), the=20 automobile=20 > receivers used in the Delco field testing, the hardware used to=20 make=20 > the PMX system a 3 channel system (left, right, plus slow speed=20 data on=20 > the pilot tone)(demoed OTA at WOWO to the local newspaper), many=20 slides=20 > and personal photographs, the video tapes of the FCC hearings on AM=20 > Stereo, and about another 2 feet worth of documentation. >=20 > Not shown on the list of items accepted by the Indiana Historical=20 > Society is a Sony SRF-A100 AM Stereo receiver (NIB)(USA source).=20=20 Also=20 > not shown is an album of photographs taken by Ron Jones of CRL=20 > Laboratories (deceased about a year or so ago due to respiratory=20 > distress) of the transmitter installations at WIRE in August 1982,=20 and=20 > KMJJ in December 1982. KMJJ was used as a demo broadcast station=20 at=20 > the Las Vegas Consumer Electronics show. The album also has a few=20 > photos of the Magnavox AM Stereo display at the Las Vegas CES. >=20 > Bob > Bob, I bet you have some great stories about the early days of AM Stereo. Do you have any on air audio of the early broadcasts ? Juan Fort Pierce, FL From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 07:26:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70658 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 15:26:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 15:26:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 15:26:47 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 15:26:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.142] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 15:26:46 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 15:26:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 899059.95978.bm@omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 4498 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 15:26:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.110.201 with plain) by smtp107.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 15:26:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6aY9WiAVM1mEqV5GQeWw4QyIK61l7AAdrtk0WidFwW7CI5M2xDHhMB7_O3GlfpM1dhJZb.5QUaG3.5Iig5fU_focnFO8d0nF526K0t.eTwbYqUQZ6dyMkVjAPQ6de8_VEEeonteGp3q.5SkROkU__6qHLAQEofy9fJ9mvA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8F34E394-1CC1-4798-8CC0-3BB520369EFB@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 09:26:45 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=5HGf05gYlJO9dbCAyEJ6fldxAklhpIs87GXek9Ky9HaTDH-dGA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 6, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Juan Gualda wrote: > Speaking of ABDX, I never see you on there anymore. He was removed. There were a large number of complaints about him from many of the members. Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 10:38:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69928 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 18:38:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 18:38:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 18:38:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61842 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2008 18:38:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: c6nz2E8VM1nKz1pefqBpfBmoiRfzoE_A72DbliySuiLZVYtkPkWJMc156G9ds7yKowFp_IbWnBTdl6Xjq8hFyXCayNJcppNUgil6e6PxUlGd2EDpdQm9pKttjnT8JLgWmF90n7biO9tvVdGr1QuXnOQ4zv.UfIBXqP72dbQqcddixqFshL6fhCoETbCE X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:38:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:38:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <690305.61747.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo History X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=UYENV2Hbq-httHEYLSoDBs8f2opzPCa_0QYvx3llRQsn9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Actually, there is some early CBS color equipment at the Early Television Foundation in Columbus, Ohio, as well as some prototype NTSC=A0stuff. As for the CTI line-sequential system, probably all long gone, I'm afraid. BTW, any one remember the Butterfield subjective color system? It used fli= cker-induced color perception so you could see colors on a monochrome CRT! = I saw a demo on Channel 3 in Huntington, WV, years ago, and it really blew = my mind! I have been trying to resurrect it for a whole new reason, doing = it electronically instead of with a filter wheel, for possible benefit to f= olks with color impaired vision, but my computer graphic skills are, well, = non-existent! Anybody wanting to run with this, patent-free, please write t= o me off-forum. George --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Bob wrote: > From: Bob > Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo History > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 4:59 AM > All interested: >=20 > I also added a file of the hardware available that has been > cataloged=20 > and awaiting archival storage (if there is such a thing for > hardware). >=20 > As I recall, the last time broadcast technology saw a > competition like=20 > this was the Color Television wars, wherein the color wheel >=20 > (sequential) system was initially selected by the FCC, and > later=20 > overturned by the FCC in favor of RCA's NTSC system.=20 > As far as I know,=20 > none of the equipment used in that competition has survived > in acrhival=20 > storage. >=20 > There is still a lot of material that has not been > cataloged. There is=20 > all the broadcast hardware stored in my garage (ugh!), the > automobile=20 > receivers used in the Delco field testing, the hardware > used to make=20 > the PMX system a 3 channel system (left, right, plus slow > speed data on=20 > the pilot tone)(demoed OTA at WOWO to the local newspaper), > many slides=20 > and personal photographs, the video tapes of the FCC > hearings on AM=20 > Stereo, and about another 2 feet worth of documentation. >=20 > Not shown on the list of items accepted by the Indiana > Historical=20 > Society is a Sony SRF-A100 AM Stereo receiver (NIB)(USA > source). Also=20 > not shown is an album of photographs taken by Ron Jones of > CRL=20 > Laboratories (deceased about a year or so ago due to > respiratory=20 > distress) of the transmitter installations at WIRE in > August 1982, and=20 > KMJJ in December 1982. KMJJ was used as a demo broadcast > station at=20 > the Las Vegas Consumer Electronics show. The album also > has a few=20 > photos of the Magnavox AM Stereo display at the Las Vegas > CES. >=20 > Bob =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 10:50:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48020 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 18:50:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 18:50:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 18:50:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45488 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2008 18:50:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ee6ClOcVM1kwjKA5e1bxX0bhRf0_PON8rqH4fiSqIBJVt3HixZsbEplAwVGLVE65lyadnahpLA6Hj60zF6DOs5yt..w.dO2I_1g0ZsHIlQuNqyvbHHyqO_EULEba9wXe60AzdytFat0h_.zdIk.X2ceY14Ap5_yQ5mZXtPoeGNNzwHvkj9vKesEVwmV4 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:50:09 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:50:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <690305.61747.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <902943.43098.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: poor peacock! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tF8rOg_N8F0wV0qUngoDhqO2JTtOk44DYhoi2E0E9wPR-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, this is SOMEWHAT related to C-QUAM (both have I and Q vectors!)... Is anybody else out there saddened by the impending death of NTSC color? When done to it's original specs, this system offered a color gamut unsurpa= ssed to this day by film or print. Over the years, it was watered down by c= ompromise (and cheaper phosphors!), and few who didn't see it on an origina= l set, like an RCA CT-100, realize how good it COULD have become.=20 Call me sentimental, but I plan to hold a wake for this grand system, when = the fateful day comes next year. A stuffed peacock will then be placed ato= p my vintage Trinitron...seriously! Progress must come, but it is sometime= s sad... George=20 --- On Sat, 12/6/08, george russell wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo History > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 1:38 PM > Actually, there is some early CBS color equipment at the > Early Television > Foundation in Columbus, Ohio, as well as some prototype > NTSC=A0stuff. > As for the CTI line-sequential system, probably all long > gone, I'm afraid. > BTW, any one remember the Butterfield subjective color > system? It used flicker-induced color perception so you > could see colors on a monochrome CRT! I saw a demo on > Channel 3 in Huntington, WV, years ago, and it really blew > my mind! I have been trying to resurrect it for a whole new > reason, doing it electronically instead of with a filter > wheel, for possible benefit to folks with color impaired > vision, but my computer graphic skills are, well, > non-existent! Anybody wanting to run with this, patent-free, > please write to me off-forum. > George >=20 >=20 > --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Bob > wrote: >=20 > > From: Bob > > Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo History > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 4:59 AM > > All interested: > >=20 > > I also added a file of the hardware available that has > been > > cataloged=20 > > and awaiting archival storage (if there is such a > thing for > > hardware). > >=20 > > As I recall, the last time broadcast technology saw a > > competition like=20 > > this was the Color Television wars, wherein the color > wheel > >=20 > > (sequential) system was initially selected by the FCC, > and > > later=20 > > overturned by the FCC in favor of RCA's NTSC > system.=20 > > As far as I know,=20 > > none of the equipment used in that competition has > survived > > in acrhival=20 > > storage. > >=20 > > There is still a lot of material that has not been > > cataloged. There is=20 > > all the broadcast hardware stored in my garage (ugh!), > the > > automobile=20 > > receivers used in the Delco field testing, the > hardware > > used to make=20 > > the PMX system a 3 channel system (left, right, plus > slow > > speed data on=20 > > the pilot tone)(demoed OTA at WOWO to the local > newspaper), > > many slides=20 > > and personal photographs, the video tapes of the FCC > > hearings on AM=20 > > Stereo, and about another 2 feet worth of > documentation. > >=20 > > Not shown on the list of items accepted by the Indiana > > Historical=20 > > Society is a Sony SRF-A100 AM Stereo receiver > (NIB)(USA > > source). Also=20 > > not shown is an album of photographs taken by Ron > Jones of > > CRL=20 > > Laboratories (deceased about a year or so ago due to > > respiratory=20 > > distress) of the transmitter installations at WIRE in > > August 1982, and=20 > > KMJJ in December 1982. KMJJ was used as a demo > broadcast > > station at=20 > > the Las Vegas Consumer Electronics show. The album > also > > has a few=20 > > photos of the Magnavox AM Stereo display at the Las > Vegas > > CES. > >=20 > > Bob =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 12:45:17 2008 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30115;u=;t=1228596954;m=1825317257;s=933350093; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 13:13:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21464 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 21:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 21:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 21:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 21:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.108.96] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 21:13:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:13:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <518934.42149.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.68 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=jL0oe6Fgc2iXH8ojfpOJqFG44IqFYWrRZ6WUtEwmt4T78hvIww X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I remember talk about that a few years ago.=A0 Essentially it IS=20 possible to do "quadraphonic" AM radio.=A0 In fact, one engineer @=20 1450-Portland, Oregon apparently did actually do it because C-QuAM=20 is very close to how one multiplexed quadraphonic system works.=A0 So=20 if you have this quad decoder hooked up to an A.M. stereo receiver &=20 the station is stereo & playing a quad record then it WILL decode on=20 the listener's end AS quad! >=20 > I was thinking, what would be the best way to transmit A.M.=20 shortwave stereo?=A0 Would U.S. broadcasters HAVE to use C-QuAM or is=20 the F.C.C.'s decision just an A.M. BAND (mediumwave) one?=A0 Could PMX=20 or ISB work on S.W.? >=20 > By the way Juan: you said you are or were working @ a Chilean A.M.=20 station.=A0 Which one & what is your job there?=A0 Also do the Chilean=20 stations identify with their calls ever or are they just a=20 formality?=A0 For instance, does "CB53" on 530kHz identify as such=20 or "Radio Andes"?=A0=A0=A0 Again, I made that station up to serve as an=20 example?=A0 Finally, we don't have any Chilean stations listed as AM=20 stereo.=A0 Do any stations broadcast in stereo? >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 Hi Jay!!! Today, I have 3 jobs: 1) I'm in charge of the "musical" recording studio of "my" station.=20 I have to rescue the audio from the old vinyl records. 2) I'm in charge of the electronic devices (audio and RF chains), of=20 the AM part only (this station has one AM signal and three FM=20 signals, with different formats of course). But, I'm not an academic=20 engineer, I don't have any university studies. All that I know, is=20 just... practice (I was born, literally, inside this station,=20 because my mother didn't have enough time to reach the hospital=20 so... I was born in the same building the radio worked on those=20 precious years). 3) I'm a music teacher and I conduct a christian little choir. Yes, in Chile the radio stations are identified with two letters: CA =3D North part of the chilean continental territory. CB =3D Central part of the chilean continental territory. CC =3D South part of the chilean continental territory. CD =3D Extreme southern part of the chilean continental territory. CE =3D Islander and Antartic part of the country (however, there is=20 only one AM station in all this whole area, at Eastern Island). And the two first significant numbers of the frecuency: 53 =3D 530 KHZ 66 =3D 660 KHZ 98 =3D 980 KHZ, etc., etc. "My" station is CC-126 Radio Condell AM. I don't think it would be possible to get a good C-QUAM, or=20 MAGNAVOX, or any other "phasing" AM STEREO system in Short Waves due=20 to the "selective fading" problems. The only system we could use in=20 SW would be ISB AM Stereo. In facts, there is a lot of SW stations=20 using DSBSC (Double Sideband Supressed Carrier) today (this is=20 the "first stage" of the ISB system). LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 13:25:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6970 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 21:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 21:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 21:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 21:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2008 21:25:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:25:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.68 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=R7YcnwAKbY--efa3uhyB8b4pSImqlwZCUhg1d5nRvahBVIl6fQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi=20 > I'm not sure how a quadrophonic radio system would help any better=20 > the radio broadcast industry... Yes I'm sure it can be done, one=20 way=20 > or another... But for what purpose? To hear a news on quad, or to=20 > listen live sports events and understand were the ball is ecatly=20 now=20 > inside the field?=20 > The best quad (if I can say it like that) system I've ever heard=20 was=20 > at mid 70's... and was made by the JVC! I had the pleasure to hear=20 it=20 > with a demo TAPE!!! on a portable!!! radio cassete player that a=20 navy=20 > captain had bring from Japan! The system had three selections...=20 > Classic Stereo mode, the later well known as Spatial Sound Stereo=20 > that was working with all common stereo recordings available, and=20 the=20 > unbelievable Bi-phonic JVC system that had to use a special=20 recording=20 > method for tapes... The sound of it? Just incredible!!! I have=20 heard=20 > Marantz quadrophonic systems with the vinyl records needed to work=20 > right, and nothing was even close to the JVC Bi-phonic fidelity!=20 > Even todays 5.1 surround systems cant do like it back then...=20 >=20 > There was a special demo tape that was sold together with the=20 > portable boombox. The tape was started with just some stereo music=20 > form classic orchestra.... Nothing special at start. After a=20 minute=20 > or two, and while you were listen the orchestra, you were=20 disturbed=20 > by a fly that comes near you, and almost goes inside your ear! As=20=20 > everyone will do, I've started to wave my hand to fear the fly and=20 go=20 > away! Well the fly was there, but not for real! It was there, but=20 > the "there" was... in the recording! I will no go and say about=20 any=20 > other parts of that demo tape! That fly flying near my ears for=20 > almost 5 minutes, has been the best quadrophonic / surround demo I=20 > have ever heard in my life, and is the comparable feeling for all=20 > others I have heard since then!!!=20 >=20 > For radio? I'm not sure if I wanted to drive my car listen some=20 > stereo tunes, and suddendly a fly will disturb me so bad, from=20 > driving... :)=20 >=20 >=20 Do you have experimented a very good 5.1 recording? I mean, a real 5 full separated audio channels and a separated=20 huge "beyond the grave" bass notes speaker. I mean, not the Sony miniature "cell" speakers surround you. I mean=20 5 full wood 3 ways speaker boxes around you. Well, I've done. IT IS THE MOST WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE!!!!!!! Now, we can't put 5.1 discrete channels in only one AM station. But=20 we could put 4 discrete channels!!! It is very easy to reduce 5.1 to 4.0. Any good mixer can do it. BUT YOU TOUCH A VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, SO VERY GOOD POINT: WHO REALLY WANTS TO HEAR NEWS, OR TALKS, OR RELIGION, OR SPORTS, IN=20 STEREO OR QUAD? ??? ??? This is the center of all this whole problem: WE NEED THE MUSIC GET BACK TO THE AM RADIO, FIRST OF ALL!!!!!!! Can we change the AM broadcasters mind? ??? Whatever... LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Dec 06 14:09:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15458 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 22:09:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 22:09:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 22:09:48 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 8so123280qwh.59 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:09:47 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.46.12 with SMTP id t12mr1317113qat.316.1228601387843; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:09:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.34.153.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.34.153.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm12482861yxd.2.2008.12.06.14.09.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:09:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <902943.43098.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:09:31 -0500 References: <902943.43098.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} poor peacock! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=tceAsrAjhGsRfyLEZL7j2CL0jhADEoYzdOq1w6pi-X9Ey9jx1gs5UCLl99oEwg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 6, 2008, at 1:50 PM, george russell wrote: > Is anybody else out there saddened by the impending death of NTSC > color? Don't be sad, get your Ham Radio ticket and play with NTSC fast Scan TV all you want! Should be LOTS of surplus out there by March. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Dec 06 14:19:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50078 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 22:19:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 22:19:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f18.google.com) (209.85.217.18) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 22:19:37 -0000 X-Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so453325gxk.13 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:19:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.103.2 with SMTP id f2mr4632642ybm.53.1228601976495; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:19:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.34.153.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.34.153.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm3166136ywl.15.2008.12.06.14.19.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:19:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <33A1BB5C-876F-44F5-8051-C809AA666268@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:19:06 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=fvCOmRFU_-EdNXbYIXsD6Ka-iQyUBwjXkSLqB7_R9Oc01Uf_ntMpj0pMi4qXOw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 6, 2008, at 4:13 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > I don't think it would be possible to get a good C-QUAM, or > MAGNAVOX, or any other "phasing" AM STEREO system in Short Waves due > to the "selective fading" problems WA2FNQ does it all of the time on the Amateur Radio AM Phone nets. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 06 15:07:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39339 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 23:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 23:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 23:07:39 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.13] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081206170712001332800016.0) with SMTP id <20081206170712001332800016> for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:07:12 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005801c957f7$c4610100$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <864841.61788.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <01cf01c954e8$a4838b80$d503fea9@stodd> <013301c9567d$f195d900$d503fea9@stodd> <040188D4-1F5A-4090-8A30-7923560CD48F@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:07:12 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Democrats the party of the rich X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Bu51H3IcB1ZWi5Qr82YkfKGEV7rT4f_hTff7Lrb-GF35I3jbICrX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wait til 'bama's boys have been in power a few months. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The Republicans have ALWAYS outspent Democratics. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 06 15:07:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39374 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 23:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 23:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 23:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.13] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081206170718001332800016.0) with SMTP id <20081206170718001332800016> for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:07:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005901c957f7$c75a6ae0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <676467.86098.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:07:18 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=37pP3afaMC54g4H_Hu4f54hPDKigh9RJRhMAum_NfcLPdSKgUICt X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You may also want to try the Pavek Museum in Minneapolis, or possibly the Antique Wireless Association in the Canandaigua NY area. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 7:37 AM Please do not destroy anything. We will find it all a home. The Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village might be a stop along the way. I would also suggest the Museum of Science & Industry in Chicago. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 06 15:24:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49656 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 23:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 23:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 23:24:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.13] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081206172427000569300010.0) with SMTP id <20081206172427000569300010> for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:24:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00c101c957fa$2e0b41e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8bce0fe80812060346x4ce2e039kd56b8b078ef5fce3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:24:27 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ujvDTtu2soWZtG-phyYC3YTKNXjuIVMVdpYpo2mz2Qy8briHbhSs X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd be happy to keep it AMS related as well. Trouble is, when someone makes a snarky comment I'm reminded of the old Jewish saying that silence is agreement. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com its frankly getting extremely annoying.. and I'm not the only one who thinks so. I've had SEVERAL members of THIS list contact me privately over their frustration with it. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 06 15:33:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17997 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2008 23:33:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2008 23:33:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2008 23:33:52 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.13] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081206173323001600900010.0) with SMTP id <20081206173323001600900010> for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:33:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00f601c957fb$6dbbc5c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:33:23 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=xskZ5RO2gJJPTleRExr8z5XRH6To51WOVTXWCt1Dcvdcfsh4wcP_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a college degree but it had nothing to do with radio engineering. I did go to a technical school to learn electronics, but it was not focused on broadcast. Few colleges teach anything of the sort anyway. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 3) I'm in charge of all the station equipment. I have to repair and adjust all the audio and RF chain. But, I'm not an "academic" engineer (I don't have any university studies about it). All that i Know is just... practice. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 06 16:00:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98663 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 00:00:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 00:00:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 00:00:07 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.13] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081206175944000955200010.0) with SMTP id <20081206175944000955200010> for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:59:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010501c957ff$1bb518e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:59:44 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=9IuqiRAgQU-lTH6Xt3MFVZs1cvuHTR0xScFXcqYqYcjQoeypczO1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What sort of a format would you suggest? I know a lot of people here like = the old beautiful music (AKA "good music" and elevator music) format of 30+= years ago. Problem is, if there were any demand stations would be doing i= t. Not a lot of that type of music has been recorded since the death of th= at format 25 years ago. Next problem is the music mafia (sometimes spelled with an extra "a", as a = reference to the RIAA) which has been responsible for imposing draconian mu= sic licence fees along with ASCAP, BMI and SESAC. If you create a successful music format on AM, chances are pretty good an F= M station will steal the format. Unless it's a specialized format such as = Espa=F1ol. Most of those are on AM here, though there are a few FMs pickin= g it up. If I were rich enough to buy a decent sized station I'd likely play Christi= an Country. From there the idea springboarded to starting a satellite netw= ork to feature that kind of music. If I were ever able to do that, one req= uirement I'd make would be for all stations airing it to be in stereo, AM a= s well as FM, either digital or CQUAM, and make some refurbished AMS equipm= ent available at low cost to affiliates. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 WE NEED THE MUSIC GET BACK TO THE AM RADIO, FIRST OF ALL!!!!!!! Can we change the AM broadcasters mind? =20=20=20 =20=20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Dec 06 16:08:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 517 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 00:08:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 00:08:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 00:08:24 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so252250ywr.62 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:08:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.191.10 with SMTP id o10mr4759137ybf.156.1228608503420; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:08:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.34.153.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.34.153.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm8434352ywl.5.2008.12.06.16.08.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:08:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <010501c957ff$1bb518e0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:08:16 -0500 References: <010501c957ff$1bb518e0$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=keWVU05BA19rJciEkj6F4VzkBRITbUU_xdqU0uov9HJAh7twmhWVSzrIet_Q4w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 6, 2008, at 6:59 PM, wrote: > What sort of a format would you suggest? I know a lot of people > here like the old beautiful music (AKA "good music" and elevator > music) format of 30+ years ago. Problem is, if there were any > demand stations would be doing it. Not a lot of that type of music > has been recorded since the death of that format 25 years ago. There are 3 Beautiful Music-EZ Listening FMs I can get in the Upstate of South Carolina Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Dec 06 16:13:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55405 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 00:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 00:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 00:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 00:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 00:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 00:13:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 23385.72997.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 87195 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 00:13:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.110.201 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 00:13:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QX2Eyh4VM1ngju0n75bYB2cylUzl9gpHDHQxpudwRpVdg14Id1K8Za1cBISXHTJAw1.dA_fux5ebGeoNA6Fp3lXNtcxRdY93kM__H6h0YSKLlo8W7ZcC7TTsiN2zI0xjxrH1_DqIMv2DvsfVdMJc7xduZfsxZXHZJUU05g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: References: <010501c957ff$1bb518e0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:13:55 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=W6G9TXlyhOXBE0JS1D22t7QKh8viD9SDefIw_APmmePjCsy_kw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Dude, you are real lucky to get that. Not too many places where there is OTA reception of Beautiful music. You probably get WMUU and I don't know the other two but can you get WCAM on AM from Camden? Kevin On Dec 6, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Possum Hunter wrote: > There are 3 Beautiful Music-EZ Listening FMs I can get in the Upstate > of South Carolina From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Dec 06 16:19:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15027 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 00:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 00:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 00:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.13] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081206181840002788900014.0) with SMTP id <20081206181840002788900014> for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:18:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <015601c95801$c1d8eb00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <010501c957ff$1bb518e0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:18:40 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=y0IPB80buww_BzvpCl6O0MO4mdyid70QoPLQxBJfXKNXU9hKTpnA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's only one left in the whole state of MN- KNXR in Rochester. They have a translator in Hudson, WI, but that's going to be displaced soon. Don't know of any in the surrounding states unless WOCO-FM in Oconto, WI is still doing it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:08 PM There are 3 Beautiful Music-EZ Listening FMs I can get in the Upstate of South Carolina --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Dec 06 16:35:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23414 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 00:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 00:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f16.google.com) (209.85.217.16) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 00:35:03 -0000 X-Received: by gxk9 with SMTP id 9so1146432gxk.1 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:35:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.58.17 with SMTP id g17mr4803842yba.101.1228610062433; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:34:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.34.153.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.34.153.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm3393635ywp.39.2008.12.06.16.34.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:34:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:34:15 -0500 References: <010501c957ff$1bb518e0$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=ZChJvXt54BIFOY-viWisWSu_bdQnC-692FPNpKLmglspc53CprvIXKDv7j-YIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 6, 2008, at 7:13 PM, kevin redding wrote: > You probably get WMUU and I don't know the other two Actually I get: W201CR 88.1 (WIVL translator) WMUU 94.5 WWOK-LP 95.3 WHLC 104.5 My favorite is WHLC, but pest WYCJ-LP makes plenty of QRM. > but can you get WCAM on AM from Camden? No, but I can get WSNW 1150 WROP 1390 WCRS 1490 with the same format. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sat Dec 06 17:43:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50632 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 01:43:56 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail10.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.150]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEVYLUFAVQH3ZS for (sender ); Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:43:33 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD900k8QzHVybHjZTj271ljo= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail10.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3R8UBC9; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:42:50 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail10.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 01:41:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 01:41:51 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081206.174151.23451.1@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:3135618851 X-MAIL-INFO:37258509a029e4f0b0a04090496174c950a0e0f9f1619955518da4f495a5b0f931546dd06dfdd431f4dd45d1641599f4454140195d851585a5891139 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.150|webmail10.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=JUbtw68qWomri05YR_0E8U_bGMfl_oZR9UfJ_mBnyg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Could that be "Silence equals acceptance"?=20 Or am I wrong? I don't know but I remember it that way. Don -- wrote: I'd be happy to keep it AMS related as well. Trouble is, when someone make= s a snarky comment I'm reminded of the old Jewish saying that silence is ag= reement. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul B. Walker, Jr.=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 its frankly getting extremely annoying.. and I'm not the only one who thi= nks so. I've had SEVERAL members of THIS list contact me privately over their frustration with it.=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 08:39:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52726 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 16:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 16:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 16:39:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68644 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2008 16:39:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1fbX.yIVM1lJZgzQ7qBcZolMXhdn1uZu2Zh7r2xQk1Uat6hcIQIfEB.5AmuPF.kjoXjeeBTbci2EVnKM4vChZVtSMuwM4dlrxjdQ_NJMK3dwe2Ipbh.fuk0OfFXDVhj.NE3QBkXLEzsKgjcU2Asc7oX8qBffChCWIeudQGa5qMtJ3lqp0Az0jXII6w-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.4] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:39:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:39:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <781019.68442.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=I2J0K0RNboh1e1W_9pe7ux8MMIFIydvnQZ1_-6St8W8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW That is because he is no longer on the list. Powell an ABDX co moderator... NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Juan Gualda wrote: > Yes, we are back to AM Stereo. > > Speaking of ABDX, I never see you on there anymore. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 11:53:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73248 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 19:53:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 19:53:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 19:53:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 19:53:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 19:53:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:53:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010501c957ff$1bb518e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.61 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=TPUQ89WBbkwj17KAmXP_OyYbTu90XsSXaIZZTfWXrKSag5kdDA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > What sort of a format would you suggest? I know a lot of people=20 here like the old beautiful music (AKA "good music" and elevator=20 music) format of 30+ years ago. Problem is, if there were any=20 demand stations would be doing it. Not a lot of that type of music=20 has been recorded since the death of that format 25 years ago. >=20 > Next problem is the music mafia (sometimes spelled with an=20 extra "a", as a reference to the RIAA) which has been responsible=20 for imposing draconian music licence fees along with ASCAP, BMI and=20 SESAC. >=20 > If you create a successful music format on AM, chances are pretty=20 good an FM station will steal the format. Unless it's a specialized=20 format such as Espa=F1ol. Most of those are on AM here, though there=20 are a few FMs picking it up. >=20 > If I were rich enough to buy a decent sized station I'd likely=20 play Christian Country. From there the idea springboarded to=20 starting a satellite network to feature that kind of music. If I=20 were ever able to do that, one requirement I'd make would be for all=20 stations airing it to be in stereo, AM as well as FM, either digital=20 or CQUAM, and make some refurbished AMS equipment available at low=20 cost to affiliates. >=20 > Scott Todd Hi Scott and Gang!!! You touched the other very, very, very, so very good point: MUSICIAN MAFIA!!! I think it was a chilean only problem. Now I know you have the same=20 sickness too. I can't judge your case, but here, in Chile, I claimed against those=20 fees and taxes but... ARCHI (the chilean NAB) decided to pay!!! I=20 was in the group that said: "musicians need radios as radios need=20 musicians, so... they don't pay to the radios and the radios don't=20 pay to the musicians." But nobody heard us. It's a pity!!! I don't know how to revert this situation. This is "THE" problem here. Maybe, one solution is the christian music (any type), because they=20 don't have a mafia, yet. I hope they don't read it,=20 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Some another idea? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 12:30:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84181 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 20:30:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 20:30:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 20:30:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 20:30:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.108.93] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 20:30:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:30:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.146.170 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=WZU9EGW9tf1zuKqbHPxDRD8MF25J8AJT7VwzVazmmNY X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > Do you have experimented a very good 5.1 recording? >=20 > I mean, a real 5 full separated audio channels and a separated=20 > huge "beyond the grave" bass notes speaker. >=20 > I mean, not the Sony miniature "cell" speakers surround you. I mean=20 > 5 full wood 3 ways speaker boxes around you. >=20 > Well, I've done. IT IS THE MOST WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE!!!!!!! Well Juan, there is HUGE difference that I had forget to mention=20 about the Bi-phonic JVC system...=20 It DIDN'T NEED ANY EXTRA SPEAKERS to work, as is the case with ll=20 the "surround" systems! Just a simple pair of speakers in one only=20 side, as is the common case FOR ALL STEREO INSTALLATIONS! > Now, we can't put 5.1 discrete channels in only one AM station. But=20 > we could put 4 discrete channels!!! >=20 > It is very easy to reduce 5.1 to 4.0. Any good mixer can do it. Yes, but think about how easier would be to put a Bi-phonic system on=20 air, that only needs 2 simple speakers to work...=20 JVC had a full series of home and protable stereo that had the "bi- phonic" system. I haven't seen that system refered again at their=20 catalogs, since then.=20 >=20 > BUT YOU TOUCH A VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, SO VERY GOOD POINT: >=20 > WHO REALLY WANTS TO HEAR NEWS, OR TALKS, OR RELIGION, OR SPORTS, IN=20 > STEREO OR QUAD? ??? ??? >=20 > This is the center of all this whole problem: >=20 > WE NEED THE MUSIC GET BACK TO THE AM RADIO, FIRST OF ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Can we change the AM broadcasters mind? >=20 > ??? >=20 > Whatever... LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > As long as BMI and etc. music copyright fee collectors... look to=20 drain every single decimal part of a cent of a dollar (or any other=20 currency that will be) from anyone that would play/listen/remember=20 and soon even sing in his bathroom a music theme, there is NO WAY=20 that music will be back on air. More, it looks that it's going to be=20 the other way around, as more and more stations decide NOT to have=20 any music on air to avoid the fees.=20 That is one reason that music will not come back to airplay soon. The=20 time that young groups or single singers have the ability to go to a=20 station and give a record (say a CD, or better an MP3 nowdays) to be=20 played, has passed.=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 12:55:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45897 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 20:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 20:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 20:55:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31904 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2008 20:55:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: z8fl5FcVM1lZEhM_Q9w397f6Y.DLxYF0afP2o3ePD6MbE536fAmOkabvOgJ52xCCSutfVaOi6Q_CTeuhgdB6QHwl1hHIeB0z3CRZGzyvgJAZAnUvI0nG1FaYI6oMXeloiScuN.Y7Cdu2AiSuWPH_cmq32Ned6FwKaL7K.E1XbTqhp.Reh4Uv0SKyEJ2r X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:55:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:55:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <595793.31697.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} poor peacock! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=J6H7mAeLF4fy13bgXYpHgt6kqj2-UL31O0YnmH-OYyL4rw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Actually, what I am waiting for is the inevitable dumping of all the Betacam SP camcorders by the broadcasters. I've salivated, and even drooled over those since I got to use one once. Not quite HD, but a lot more res than most NTSC sets can show. With a good front projector, they really look pretty darn good. Allready saw one at a camera show recently for $750, with the lens, and low drum hours. Not bad for something the TV station paid a princely sum for just a few years ago! G G --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > From: Possum Hunter > Subject: Re: {AMSF} poor peacock! > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 5:09 PM > On Dec 6, 2008, at 1:50 PM, george russell wrote: > > > Is anybody else out there saddened by the impending > death of NTSC > > color? > > Don't be sad, get your Ham Radio ticket and play with > NTSC fast Scan > TV all you want! Should be LOTS of surplus out there by > March. > > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 13:02:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55186 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 21:02:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 21:02:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 21:02:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51818 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2008 21:02:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GvoznVAVM1k3ON75ilAzbX6qcGzFGYMlBfB5btijrfaOC28EanUJDxhOv.N_bDdW4J40F425nv3XiGYK2gZ9FKPFz2B1aBoYTLbTgtB7tXFKl6YI6XZwLDiwPXU5FY2i30mHI0KR58eJ4ubFre1ET08olRE0eN3VMtndPytd0U09SsP56QF7SFZz32Vt X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:02:14 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:02:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <696937.49633.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=zBJ0ROePaeH1G5ctHzBRn7MwKt9zzpkd5qDAlkQ8BhbroA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Sounds like the virtual surround stuff they do now, or the old Carver Holog= raphic system...all done with phase shifting. G --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Sotiris wrote: > From: Sotiris > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 3:30 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" > =20 > wrote: > > Do you have experimented a very good 5.1 recording? > >=20 > > I mean, a real 5 full separated audio channels and a > separated=20 > > huge "beyond the grave" bass notes speaker. > >=20 > > I mean, not the Sony miniature "cell" > speakers surround you. I mean=20 > > 5 full wood 3 ways speaker boxes around you. > >=20 > > Well, I've done. IT IS THE MOST WONDERFUL > EXPERIENCE!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Well Juan, there is HUGE difference that I had forget to > mention=20 > about the Bi-phonic JVC system...=20 > It DIDN'T NEED ANY EXTRA SPEAKERS to work, as is the > case with ll=20 > the "surround" systems! Just a simple pair of > speakers in one only=20 > side, as is the common case FOR ALL STEREO INSTALLATIONS! >=20 > > Now, we can't put 5.1 discrete channels in only > one AM station. But=20 > > we could put 4 discrete channels!!! > >=20 > > It is very easy to reduce 5.1 to 4.0. Any good mixer > can do it. >=20 >=20 > Yes, but think about how easier would be to put a Bi-phonic > system on=20 > air, that only needs 2 simple speakers to work...=20 > JVC had a full series of home and protable stereo that had > the "bi- > phonic" system. I haven't seen that system refered > again at their=20 > catalogs, since then.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > BUT YOU TOUCH A VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, SO VERY GOOD > POINT: > >=20 > > WHO REALLY WANTS TO HEAR NEWS, OR TALKS, OR RELIGION, > OR SPORTS, IN=20 > > STEREO OR QUAD? ??? ??? > >=20 > > This is the center of all this whole problem: > >=20 > > WE NEED THE MUSIC GET BACK TO THE AM RADIO, FIRST OF > ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > > Can we change the AM broadcasters mind? > >=20 > > ??? > >=20 > > Whatever... LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > >=20 > As long as BMI and etc. music copyright fee collectors... > look to=20 > drain every single decimal part of a cent of a dollar (or > any other=20 > currency that will be) from anyone that would > play/listen/remember=20 > and soon even sing in his bathroom a music theme, there is > NO WAY=20 > that music will be back on air. More, it looks that > it's going to be=20 > the other way around, as more and more stations decide NOT > to have=20 > any music on air to avoid the fees.=20 > That is one reason that music will not come back to airplay > soon. The=20 > time that young groups or single singers have the ability > to go to a=20 > station and give a record (say a CD, or better an MP3 > nowdays) to be=20 > played, has passed. =20=20=20=20=20=20 From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 13:10:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68768 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 21:10:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 21:10:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 21:10:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 21:10:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.108.99] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 21:10:04 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:10:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.146.170 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=omuc7oRBmuiI1iv46aSqerNHtrEaedn53mER4OHComk X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr OK I've just run a search at Ebay for any Biphonic JVC devices and here=20 it is! A boombox almost excatly the same as the one I had told you=20 about! Take a look at it, as this could done better job than ANY=20 SURROUND system I have heard since then! And it was PORTABLE ALSO!!!=20 http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-VINTAGE-JVC-RC-838JW-II-BOOMBOX-GHETTO- BLASTER_W0QQitemZ190270766228=20 item number at Ebay 190270766228 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > Well Juan, there is HUGE difference that I had forget to mention=20 > about the Bi-phonic JVC system...=20 > It DIDN'T NEED ANY EXTRA SPEAKERS to work, as is the case with ll=20 > the "surround" systems! Just a simple pair of speakers in one only=20 > side, as is the common case FOR ALL STEREO INSTALLATIONS! > Yes, but think about how easier would be to put a Bi-phonic system on=20 > air, that only needs 2 simple speakers to work...=20 > JVC had a full series of home and protable stereo that had the "bi- > phonic" system. I haven't seen that system refered again at their=20 > catalogs, since then.=20 >=20 >=20 From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 13:16:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97523 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 21:16:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 21:16:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 21:16:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 21:16:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 21:16:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:16:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <696937.49633.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.146.170 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=cyjIvfZd38-xOPL8J6c9mDXkmKwagGoQdGk37p3Pj_g X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi George=20 Yes it is for sure a P shift technique but it ws AMAZING!!! I have=20 NEVER HEARD ANYTHING LIKE IT not even with surround systems that I have=20 worked with for large cinemas...=20 This thing was the top and still is, and I'm very dissapoinetd that it=20 didn't get broad acceptance! But isn't also that the case with the AM=20 stereo, after a second thought???=20 ;)=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Sounds like the virtual surround stuff they do now, or the old Carver=20 Holographic system...all done with phase shifting. G >=20 >=20 From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 13:47:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57846 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 21:47:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 21:47:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 21:47:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 21:47:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.227] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 21:47:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:47:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.146.170 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=S4vn-6iWDUa0vb9fbTlj1x2SszBOGdcn4BOo0lQyZkU X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Well here are some info (brochures) about it=20 http://www.stereo80s.com/bbx.cfm?id=3D253=20 =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi George=20 > Yes it is for sure a P shift technique but it ws AMAZING!!! I have=20 > NEVER HEARD ANYTHING LIKE IT not even with surround systems that I=20 have=20 > worked with for large cinemas...=20 >=20 > This thing was the top and still is, and I'm very dissapoinetd that=20 it=20 > didn't get broad acceptance! But isn't also that the case with the=20 AM=20 > stereo, after a second thought???=20 > ;)=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 > wrote: > > > > Sounds like the virtual surround stuff they do now, or the old=20 Carver=20 > Holographic system...all done with phase shifting. G > >=20 > > > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 14:34:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12588 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 22:34:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 22:34:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 22:34:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 22:34:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.229] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 22:34:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:34:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.146.170 From: "Sotiris" Subject: What about AM IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=ku2Uxu9OWVDnolXo0X5KRAQ6Oh13bsGON0ETgpynkVA X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Out of just curiosity, how does AM IBOC goes there? The last thing I=20 know about it at AM is that some stations had shut it off, at least for=20 that time, due to interference issues.=20 Any news about IBOC at AM? Do they sell lot of HD radios as they=20 wanted, or nobody cares about it, anymore?=20 Sotiris=20=20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 14:41:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80018 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 22:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 22:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.49) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 22:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 22:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.249] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 22:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 22:41:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 230297.85343.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 61684 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 22:41:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.110.201 with plain) by smtp121.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 22:41:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dSgsTGwVM1lmzx69RU9LtJg4v7kI0JlIEQHCSaGbkp2yhs4VXlMnxMNp8jgiOXVeShvNNxkcfyV.vikQUcBof9jgs1c.FDvApZ5qcd0A.Kxt9T0NG7QfBbKc_eJRv0FiHuSQ54zL0Pc11FivjKdNE9CTIkId69VjpFOfMg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:41:48 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} What about AM IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=IpP206YitBvRPer07bNsC0HJec5SmbILzdf3IPn7Dnv7O712WQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla The interference is incredibly bad. No one has the radios and you have to be within 20 miles of the antenna to decode it. Thats it in a nutshell. A big ass loser. Kevin On Dec 7, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Sotiris wrote: > Out of just curiosity, how does AM IBOC goes there? The last thing I > know about it at AM is that some stations had shut it off, at least > for > that time, due to interference issues. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 14:54:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2702 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2008 22:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2008 22:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2008 22:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 22:54:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.227] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Dec 2008 22:54:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:54:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00f301c9541c$cd415c40$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.146.170 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=j8CWeV8yDuEI6whF4QUpNwhscSULTD3Kj8P086Pxx4c X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr I've been informed that a station at St Louis is AM Stereo. Is KSIV=20 1320. Not sure if thats true, but maybe should be added at the AMS=20 stations still on air.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I report who is still in stereo whenever I hear one. Lately it's=20 been KASM- 1150, Albany MN; KWLO- 1330, Waterloo IA; KKIN- 930,=20 Aitkin MN. Will have to try to see if WAQE- 1090 in Rice Lake WI is=20 still stereo. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kevin redding=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? >=20 >=20 > > Let's try flannel. [Inside joke] >=20 > Out of curiosity, how many AM stations are in C-QUAM stereo in=20 the USA? >=20 > I know there is stereo in the USA on AM but its IBOC digital. >=20 > Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 16:21:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87442 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 00:21:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 00:21:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.234) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 00:21:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62106 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2008 00:21:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KGgD6w0VM1nA3T0yCFI2cwg04CxKPiEN.0wJZ27V08GiPPOWdkEvU8zPu.DXXKCa_uZN3LFT207w7seE4vKO7hI5IVzIqzGqodKLQwnIwi4MfQGp8cDivxgpcgHKM77EVBI_R6GVwJUv3kHz1RClWuqEyH56PfyN9BEFfklXWFfspTxPlO5GZGQvmWU- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:21:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:21:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <531692.60595.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What about AM IBOC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=ZUdixeBaevCLMjj-SUpvDdG1ru86mjPJYBzsmPHTkki42BIYvPVk X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The radio companies are still trying to get IBOC forced onto satellite radi= os which is funny because the sole satellite radio provider, SiriusXM is no= w @ ~17 cents per share.=A0 Still, they think it's the 2nd coming for radio= (for both bands).=A0 By the way, my girlfriend heard an HD2 FM signal (the= '80s station on WBMX/98.5) @ an electronics store outside of Boston & then= heard the same type of music ('80s) on one of those new Grundig internet W= iFi radio receivers.=A0 No contest: the WiFi Internet station won hands-dow= n.=A0 It sounded better.=A0 Still, internet radio looks to be a non-starter= because of the music licensing fees.=A0 I've been hearing since 2000 about= radios in cars, etc. but that still hasn't come to pass.=A0 We FINALLY now= have internet WiFi radios.=A0 It'll still be awhile if anything ever happe= ns with that. To go back to A.M. I.B.O.C., it sucks.=A0 Nobody cares about it & the stati= ons are just creating noise.=A0 I cannot sometimes hear WGN/720-Chicago ove= r WOR/710-New York's sideband hash. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Sotiris wrote: From: Sotiris Subject: {AMSF} What about AM IBOC? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 5:34 PM =20=20=20=20 Hi=20 Out of just curiosity, how does AM IBOC goes there? The last thing I=20 know about it at AM is that some stations had shut it off, at least for=20 that time, due to interference issues.=20 Any news about IBOC at AM? Do they sell lot of HD radios as they=20 wanted, or nobody cares about it, anymore?=20 Sotiris=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 16:28:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47224 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 00:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 00:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.145) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 00:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 00:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.246] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 00:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 00:28:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 75236.58215.bm@omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 93825 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 00:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.121.110.201 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 00:28:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 40JQjCQVM1lrzWx1DFWwlg6xzVTv9Pzpn0Z91yVEMm0yUH50A7qu94R7I4pt0oK6jlWAzXtPBlM0RPG_1QX1i7lc4KvkaL_u0GWs8Q8S1N_6WxHrLqD52F3E_4ezm01kffdKlFuQcTLB5Pp5CcczbA8Mmh1dHN3viGBUgQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <461C27DB-7A13-4FDC-A9FB-11AA333B7FBD@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:28:40 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: That's What I'm Talkin' About! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=rOt-SOgbQW331oTqusCnxUnwu7S_aJ151GuKk-NcD8sJlQx_uw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill O'Reilly to end syndicated radio show 2 days ago NEW YORK (AP) =97 Fox News Channel said popular cable TV host Bill=20=20 O'Reilly will step down as the host of his syndicated talk radio show=20=20 early next year. "The Radio Factor" =97 which began in 2002 and runs on more than 400=20=20 radio stations, as well as satellite operator Sirius XM Radio Inc. =97=20=20 will end in the first quarter of 2009, Fox said late Thursday. In a statement, O'Reilly said the workload has become too much,=20=20 adding, "I can no longer give both TV and radio the time they deserve." O'Reilly will continue hosting "The O'Reilly Factor" on the Fox News=20=20 Channel and writing his weekly newspaper column. Fox News is a unit of News Corp. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 16:33:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44691 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 00:33:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 00:33:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 00:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 00:33:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.231] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 00:33:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:33:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.27 From: "jotape1960" Subject: CONGRATULATIONS!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6aUgA7frF2T1tBGHHHZdeLYOuF15BPxxulZDXnpI16uuYvc7Vw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 CONGRATULATIONS USA!!! Dear brothers and sisters, the USA female under-20 football (soccer)=20 team has won the World Championship here, in Chile (my beautiful=20 country). USA got 2 goals against 1 of North Korean Republic in the last game=20 of the championship, played today, Sunday, December, 7, 2008. USA girls played very, very good. AM chilean radios and the TVN (Televisi=F3n Nacional) channel had a=20 very complete press covering, in the local field. CONGRATULATIONS!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 16:40:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5972 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 00:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 00:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 00:40:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5599 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2008 00:40:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yaDJnUgVM1k5hJr.nox72coqIclLvMvwK40dXpLVC1g5Bq8t1S2u9mkOVwebVGcA7Ys6yX9oKEgWphsB96e7G.cK4L9YVpw.WbBPcGKIruOZezsw8orJ2pNZwO3D8gNLJQYhnEPP.ra_UerYOnJPBswFrzfnnnX7cqQsXzELBBzANgoo5JJy5dJf5JM- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:40:23 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:40:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80812060346x4ce2e039kd56b8b078ef5fce3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <616651.3774.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=kcoelgxKiDIrsQiNnhO_CujhL0TpIrYGlww72duJWCGiVH_QUuf_ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's been since August because I noticed people were ganging up on one anot= her when I checked the e-mail on vacation.=A0 I noticed several people were= ganging up on Scott.=A0 Since then it's been primarily political.=A0 At le= ast the last several days we've had good A.M.S. topics.=A0 I hope those con= tinue. Jay --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wro= te: From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. Subject: {AMSF} This list To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 6:46 AM =20=20=20=20 What on god's green earth has this list turned into? It's about AM Stereo and related issues.. I've seen NOTHING but political posts and stuff like that for the last 2 months or so. If this were going o= n over on some other lists like ABDX or BC.. it'd be quashed immediately. .. and those who would quash it on their lists, are freely participating in th= e incredibly off topic discussions here its frankly getting extremely annoying.. and I'm not the only one who think= s so. I've had SEVERAL members of THIS list contact me privately over their frustration with it. Obviously, we have no moderator.. however, I would be more then happy to volunteer my time to clean up this list and keep things in check. --=20 Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj. com walkerbroadcasting@ gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 16:47:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50438 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 00:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 00:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 00:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 00:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 00:47:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:47:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.27 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=gaLjxTBaHWo00u9Vz08tF5JoCL-TEYKcalURO8Z7XzJPaGxA3g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I don't have any experience with JVC BY-PHONIC system but, according=20 to the brochure specifications, it uses a phasing way to get more than=20 two real channels (there is a kind of "cryptic order" to tell the=20 system which phase angle to which speakers to get the multi-channel=20 effect). Mmmm... Isn't it a kind of lie? (like the old "ping-pong" effect with=20 two speakers but only one mono amplifier). I prefer 2, 4 or more real separate channels, with the same number of=20 microphones, cables, connectors and speakers. Just my taste. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 16:56:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44521 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 00:56:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 00:56:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 00:56:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 00:56:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.229] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 00:56:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:56:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <616651.3774.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.146.170 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=7mKdfjS5yZfgi-vLYxd91eXjVbGnSNWIpztgDhUfm8g X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr It will... if you don't try to make them remember that was a non- radio related war going on here lately... :)=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > It's been since August because I noticed people were ganging up on=20 one another when I checked the e-mail on vacation.=A0 I noticed several=20 people were ganging up on Scott.=A0 Since then it's been primarily=20 political.=A0 At least the last several days we've had good A.M.S.=20 topics.=A0 I hope those continue. >=20 > Jay >=20 > --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. =20 wrote: > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > Subject: {AMSF} This list > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 6:46 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > What on god's green earth has this list turned into? >=20 >=20 >=20 > It's about AM Stereo and related issues.. I've seen NOTHING but=20 political >=20 > posts and stuff like that for the last 2 months or so. If this were=20 going on >=20 > over on some other lists like ABDX or BC.. it'd be quashed=20 immediately. .. >=20 > and those who would quash it on their lists, are freely=20 participating in the >=20 > incredibly off topic discussions here >=20 >=20 >=20 > its frankly getting extremely annoying.. and I'm not the only one=20 who thinks >=20 > so. I've had SEVERAL members of THIS list contact me privately over=20 their >=20 > frustration with it. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Obviously, we have no moderator.. however, I would be more then=20 happy to >=20 > volunteer my time to clean up this list and keep things in check. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Sincerely, >=20 > Paul B. Walker, Jr. >=20 > www.onairdj. com >=20 > walkerbroadcasting@ gmail.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 17:03:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88095 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 01:03:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 01:03:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:03:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24359 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2008 01:03:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tNRIts0VM1m25OVBiTLwWF7ac0DZAElyeeBia.nfPCCAujN1QSln6O1o0ta5x65BuO7Tjwa5Vn3Wtk_RhDPk09YpKcXAR_Z3Kd11PNUFQAM.PwkYtIbgzPTZYKzs0MR2A3Xyrd715smGWDM0z7bh1Zd8TJ6vriwzdASbDby0Q2boV9H5cJroUsQumIk- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:03:45 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:03:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <672587.14056.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=g7uEc1suiEYlVs9MzfEocsfrwaHQLxd9IgMPvpo0DdF3e7ZDWGJY X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, I know.=A0 I'm trying to keep on-topic.=A0 Speaking of which, I am ha= lf done in writing the response to Juan's request to know which quad system= it was.=A0 It was SQ that the guy used @ KBPS/1450 in Portland, Oregon. For our international members, please tell us if your country has officiall= y endorsed or declined A.M. stereo or if it never made a ruling.=A0 Also, d= o low-power (<1 watt) stations get licensed or approved by the government o= r do they get shut down?=A0 Around 2000 we had a couple of Irish members & = 1 had a stereo A.M. M.W. signal on 1566.=A0 I believe his name was Andy & w= as in Waterford, Ireland.=A0 From what I've read of Irish radio law, so lon= g as a station is non-commercial in nature it is left alone. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Sotiris wrote: From: Sotiris Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 7:56 PM =20=20=20=20 It will... if you don't try to make them remember that was a no= n- radio related war going on here lately... :)=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, JNR wrote: > > It's been since August because I noticed people were ganging up on=20 one another when I checked the e-mail on vacation.=A0 I noticed several=20 people were ganging up on Scott.=A0 Since then it's been primarily=20 political.=A0 At least the last several days we've had good A.M.S.=20 topics.=A0 I hope those continue. >=20 > Jay >=20 > --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. =20 wrote: > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > Subject: {AMSF} This list > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 6:46 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > What on god's green earth has this list turned into? >=20 >=20 >=20 > It's about AM Stereo and related issues.. I've seen NOTHING but=20 political >=20 > posts and stuff like that for the last 2 months or so. If this were=20 going on >=20 > over on some other lists like ABDX or BC.. it'd be quashed=20 immediately. .. >=20 > and those who would quash it on their lists, are freely=20 participating in the >=20 > incredibly off topic discussions here >=20 >=20 >=20 > its frankly getting extremely annoying.. and I'm not the only one=20 who thinks >=20 > so. I've had SEVERAL members of THIS list contact me privately over=20 their >=20 > frustration with it. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Obviously, we have no moderator.. however, I would be more then=20 happy to >=20 > volunteer my time to clean up this list and keep things in check. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Sincerely, >=20 > Paul B. Walker, Jr. >=20 > www.onairdj. com >=20 > walkerbroadcasting@ gmail.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 17:33:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43971 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 01:33:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 01:33:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:33:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 01:33:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.112] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 01:33:57 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:33:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.146.170 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=B7dTWJmQfTnISIpkI_qMRx_g6LnOwmNZyvFlblznbXo X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Juan=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > I don't have any experience with JVC BY-PHONIC system but,=20 according=20 > to the brochure specifications, it uses a phasing way to get more=20 than=20 > two real channels (there is a kind of "cryptic order" to tell the=20 > system which phase angle to which speakers to get the multi-channel=20 > effect). Well, is not a so "secret" method. The basis of it is that the=20 mastering recording should be done with two directional microphones=20 placed in the center of a place and trimmed to be in accordance with=20=20 a human head/ear specific geometry (or better a dummy head), and with=20 all the ear geometry taken in account. That will give you a=20 reproduction of what the human ears/brain decodes at a specific=20 position in a 3D enviroment. The reproduction has more physical=20 effect than trying to record sounds inside a place by adding many=20 microphones at the borders of the place. Surround systems have the=20 sound as you are inside the center of a movie scene, while you are=20 more like a third person watching the scene infront of you. The sound=20 should be as if you were at a distance from the point where things=20 happen and not at the center of it standing somewhere (but not even=20=20 at a specific clearly understandable point of the set) between the=20 actors.=20 I don't find that more naturally sounded...=20 =20 > Mmmm... Isn't it a kind of lie? (like the old "ping-pong" effect=20 with=20 > two speakers but only one mono amplifier). >=20 > I prefer 2, 4 or more real separate channels, with the same number=20 of=20 > microphones, cables, connectors and speakers. Just my taste. Yes its a personal view based thing, but the biphonic way wasn't=20 a "lie", or at least was not much more a lie than the surrounds as=20 are now...=20 The sound that finally gets to an outside observer of a life scene,=20 isn't the sound that is in the center point of that scene will=20 have...=20 however there are things that the observer can listen but these same=20 things aren't always listenable to the center point of the scene in=20 front of him, and vice versa! Remember the example at the demo tape=20 of the Biphonic that I had mentioned. The fly that was so disturbing=20 to me could not in any case disturb a musician at the orchestra, or=20 for example at video, an actor at a scene that I as an observer will=20 watch from say... 10-100 meters away! Vice versa, a fly at the scene=20 flying close to the actor ears could NOT be hearible at any case by=20 an observer at 10 - 100 meters away!!!=20 Sound at human is a 2 point 3D situation, while the surround try to=20 replicate it by doing a recording and reproducion from multipoint=20 systems to gain a 3D. Directional 2 point co-phasing is for me best=20 for recording and reproduction of a 3D enviroment.=20 To make it simpler, you are watching an opera, you're not acting on=20 the set of the opera...=20 Of course is a personal oppinion, but if you could hear what I have=20 heard thru that biphonic demo tape (and that means not only the one=20 demo track with the fly) you might agree with me that this was a set=20 to compare future/other systems...=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Dec 07 17:58:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30800 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 01:58:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 01:58:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 01:58:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 01:58:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 01:58:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:58:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <672587.14056.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.146.170 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=vUN1W-hXL2HeuxDUJpdBEpG5327TgSlZMGfB7iOss0g X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr OK I will say what I know about my country and also for some others=20 nearby Greece, even if they aren't EU members, as is Greece.=20 At Greece there is a law that allows licensing only at FM band. There=20 was a thought about AM lately but since now, no proceeding on law=20 including AM has been done! AM Stereo never happened, never tested=20 officially and I thing that the people here didn't even knew about=20 it, except some that we had read the Popular Electronics article back=20 at 70's and waited to see it happen also here, for many years,=20 without any luck! So the status is like that:=20 if your AM radio local oscillator happens to make it at your loop=20 antenna behind the receiver you are... an outlaw! 1W? Wow... Now way!=20 not at AM not even at FM... The FM MP3 modulators are still=20 considered as illegal devices at most EU countries you know.=20 So at least at Greece there are a LOT of hmmm.... "pirates" at AM.=20 And yes there are many of them airing CQUAM lately... :)=20=20 However, only the FM band is available for licensed stations all=20 across the European continent, and also Turkey and middle East.=20 About AM?=20 Just last year the UK and I think Germany have past a proposition to=20 let them work legally... ALL other unlicensed transmitters are=20 considered as "pirate radios"! Only excemption? Italy!!! The land of=20 radio freedom! Italians can have a transmitter of any wattage for=20 every single radio frequency WITHOUT A LICENSE!!!=20 UK the last 5 years have some kind let the licenses for AM small town=20 stations! Finland have a similar way to work. Bulgaria has not even a=20 future plan for AM.=20 All others countries at Balcans haven't any plans for AM stations and=20 have never try/consider AM Stereo...=20 Italy has at least 2 stations I know about, that have AM CQUAM, with=20 the StudioX leading the AM Stereo scene not only at Italy, but at all=20 Europe, since 90's!=20 i know about some CQUAM testings at UK from a BBC station, but that=20 was all about it there! Also France had until lately a 500KW station=20 with AM CQUAM near Paris! France Blue... Not sure if there are stll=20 on CQUAM.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Yeah, I know.=A0 I'm trying to keep on-topic.=A0 Speaking of which, I=20 am half done in writing the response to Juan's request to know which=20 quad system it was.=A0 It was SQ that the guy used @ KBPS/1450 in=20 Portland, Oregon. >=20 > For our international members, please tell us if your country has=20 officially endorsed or declined A.M. stereo or if it never made a=20 ruling.=A0 Also, do low-power (<1 watt) stations get licensed or=20 approved by the government or do they get shut down?=A0 Around 2000 we=20 had a couple of Irish members & 1 had a stereo A.M. M.W. signal on=20 1566.=A0 I believe his name was Andy & was in Waterford, Ireland.=A0 From=20 what I've read of Irish radio law, so long as a station is non- commercial in nature it is left alone. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Sotiris wrote: > From: Sotiris > Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 7:56 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > It will... if you don't try to make them remember that=20 was a non- >=20 > radio related war going on here lately... :)=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, JNR =20 wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > It's been since August because I noticed people were ganging up=20 on=20 >=20 > one another when I checked the e-mail on vacation.=A0 I noticed=20 several=20 >=20 > people were ganging up on Scott.=A0 Since then it's been primarily=20 >=20 > political.=A0 At least the last several days we've had good A.M.S.=20 >=20 > topics.=A0 I hope those continue. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Jay >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Paul B. Walker, Jr. =20 >=20 > wrote: >=20 > > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. >=20 > > Subject: {AMSF} This list >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 6:46 AM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > > What on god's green earth has this list turned into? >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > It's about AM Stereo and related issues.. I've seen NOTHING but=20 >=20 > political >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > posts and stuff like that for the last 2 months or so. If this=20 were=20 >=20 > going on >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > over on some other lists like ABDX or BC.. it'd be quashed=20 >=20 > immediately. .. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > and those who would quash it on their lists, are freely=20 >=20 > participating in the >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > incredibly off topic discussions here >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > its frankly getting extremely annoying.. and I'm not the only one=20 >=20 > who thinks >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > so. I've had SEVERAL members of THIS list contact me privately=20 over=20 >=20 > their >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > frustration with it. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Obviously, we have no moderator.. however, I would be more then=20 >=20 > happy to >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > volunteer my time to clean up this list and keep things in check. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Sincerely, >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > www.onairdj. com >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > walkerbroadcasting@ gmail.com >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 07 18:22:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52401 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 02:22:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 02:22:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.187) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 02:22:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6693 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 02:22:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimu8rj76qsv9q) (jimsmith95650@75.20.188.150 with login) by smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 02:22:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b5fE4tkVM1lLkXgSq0PaDdNx9R7DiwcqUXnwhtCpjuP1242zrcYgI.Lv2nWNtaB3s591BHbbdppwhmW4JQ_QC8eoXUE9SpR7y5bSa83qM.fA8fX4jnexLugQAhEp2HJ2_AM- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <6C18FD32B27643A2824C01AF007C4E84@jimu8rj76qsv9q> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:22:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: This for you west coasters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=7YGWBjBWBoH0Hj4Hbg7DmTThlgZkTjQiFYawgC9BCiaRJnHk-heE5ht3A7JSCBtI1q8B4xxn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang Theres a new music station that exspanded from Phenix Az in to Lo$ Wages Nv on AM 670 its called "THE Q" KMZQ AM 670 and they play 70's and 80's rock. Thay also streem. I can get them every once in a wile here just NE of Sacramento Ca. I wish I can e mail them and tell them that I like there station a lot but thay have no site nor e mail adress . And I would also beg for C-QuAM AM STEREO!!! So I gess I am going to have to do it the old way snail mail. Has any one herd any thing out of Kenin Terkel my in box keeps get filled from the forum. For that matter I have not seen him post sence that big regument between Kevin and Roy at WOR AM 710 .Thanks Jim Smith NOR CAL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Dec 07 20:04:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59228 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 04:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 04:04:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.144) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 04:04:33 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so199588qwc.8 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:04:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.241.1 with SMTP id o1mr1840418qah.201.1228709072988; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:04:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.88.51.183.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.88.51.183.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.88.51.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm13648002yxd.2.2008.12.07.20.04.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:04:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4EBD2CC9-4235-46C4-8F6A-F1E89792A4DC@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <6C18FD32B27643A2824C01AF007C4E84@jimu8rj76qsv9q> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:56:51 -0500 References: <6C18FD32B27643A2824C01AF007C4E84@jimu8rj76qsv9q> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} This for you west coasters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=9x88C_dhpTu_KvH25XbsnafI-lmLolwFjz89o0yM35sfBMufl6Q7ELpu_EXNaw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 7, 2008, at 9:22 PM, wrote: > Has any one herd any thing out of Kenin Terkel my in box keeps get > filled from the forum. For that matter I have not seen him post > sence that big regument between Kevin and Roy at WOR AM 710 Perhaps Tom hooked him up to the new 50KW transmitter and used him as a Dummy Load! Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 07 20:32:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91411 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 04:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 04:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.187) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 04:32:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4336 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 04:32:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimu8rj76qsv9q) (jimsmith95650@75.30.66.77 with login) by smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 04:32:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3nTtHbcVM1naf8Jk4UbWVlJxGR4w.gMrt3JUjqYXkYwAvtktcGiZ3_uWr0Kk6fTcbb2Ulqdig7GSdO5Q.98xAMHxdcwKoQLEyVEnSzBnbI.prwpqTyv7V_0lLBvjJpIdHLSHHQ_YXqJxrLahQo7F18AO X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47955FD352DE425BA4EDB72D468683CC@jimu8rj76qsv9q> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <6C18FD32B27643A2824C01AF007C4E84@jimu8rj76qsv9q> <4EBD2CC9-4235-46C4-8F6A-F1E89792A4DC@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:32:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} This for you west coasters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=p31HIPp5x-TA63gLq9pakT5v9DIY0AErKkrNdHo0cle2kDvF3r6bp5CVDRBHLRCa_nfhfH5V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi gang God YAHOO sucks now!!!!!!!!! I guess he would lite up a xmas tree. Jim Smith NOR CAL ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 7:56 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} This for you west coasters On Dec 7, 2008, at 9:22 PM, wrote: > Has any one herd any thing out of Kenin Terkel my in box keeps get > filled from the forum. For that matter I have not seen him post > sence that big regument between Kevin and Roy at WOR AM 710 Perhaps Tom hooked him up to the new 50KW transmitter and used him as a Dummy Load! Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 04:46:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58593 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 12:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 12:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 12:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 12:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.108.99] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 12:46:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:46:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.146.170 From: "Sotiris" Subject: WLS still using CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=Xy7q21eCphtg75UNoh1bgJdHZJv_GP9QgD6gdxdYqw0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 At an ebay listing=20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D360114559765=20 I saw the text below...=20 "WLS is a Chicago radio station. The call letters stand for World's=20 Largest Store (for its original owner, Sears, Roebuck).=20 The station operates on an AM clear channel frequency of 890 kHz with a=20 power of 50,000 watts, with IBOC during the day, and C-QUAM AM Stereo=20 at night (as of 2007).=20 Its transmitter and towers are located in Tinley Park, Illinois."=20 Is this still the case? Do they use CQUAM at nights?=20 From w6yn@juno.com Mon Dec 08 08:27:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21563 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 16:27:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 16:27:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 16:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail21.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.161]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEV4UZCAVBJ5PJ for (sender ); Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:27:14 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD3mcFk7tnHOtM1jmbq5MlZM= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail21.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3WDTZKV; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:27:01 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail21.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:26:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:26:13 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081208.082613.3747.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:693436339 X-MAIL-INFO:4d4e2b2fbf3ea7bf1f4b3e1fa7ba876afe1b7f3bbb07370a576e0a37ee470a X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.161|webmail21.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This for you west coasters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=4mnDcRb2uC0CVOejAUPXfuz6lTOUDjWEnzH3J41PMg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Their Web site: http://www.993theq.com/ -- wrote: Hi gang Theres a new music station that exspanded from Phenix Az in to Lo$= Wages Nv on AM 670 its called "THE Q" KMZQ AM 670 and they play 70's and= 80's rock. Thay also streem. I can get them every once in a wile here just= NE of Sacramento Ca. I wish I can e mail them and tell them that I like t= here station a lot but thay have no site nor e mail adress . And I would al= so beg for C-QuAM AM STEREO!!! So I gess I am going to have to do it the ol= d way snail mail. Has any one herd any thing out of Kenin Terkel my in box = keeps get filled from the forum. For that matter I have not seen him post s= ence that big regument between Kevin and Roy at WOR AM 710 .Thanks Jim Smi= th NOR CAL From w6yn@juno.com Mon Dec 08 09:14:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1202 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 17:14:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 17:14:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 17:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail21.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.161]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEV4XQ2AQWPAQA for (sender ); Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:14:00 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD+0CaHQOQRAeEdz2ytaDPak= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail21.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N3WGF7P2; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:13:00 PST X-Received: from [76.194.245.202] by webmail21.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:12:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:12:16 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081208.091216.3747.1@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:1612663139 X-MAIL-INFO:19dbdb4ada9a4a8a9a8a8ac3ca6b931f37babacf3baf3ff7970737771a9fdf979adaae13dedbf33ba72a63dfc35b63cbb77bca8bcab7ba8a17ea73b7ae274ea38bce X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.161|webmail21.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Wanna buy a radio station cheap X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=4hiqn4TbKnGNpaXmtqmScnaoHTFVy3mmZba5dC9t2A X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Wanna buy a radio station cheap? KDJQ-AM 50 kW AM For Sale Court-Ordered Sale in Boise, Idaho Contact: Greg Merrill, Receiver 435-753-8090 merrill.greg@comcast.net mediaservicesgroup.com State of Idaho County of Ada District Court of 4th Judicial District CV-OC-07-19645 From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Dec 08 11:38:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89277 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 19:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 19:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms044pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.44) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 19:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBK00L19OWB8N10@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:31:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:31:24 -0500 To: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20081208.091216.3747.1@webmail21.dca.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wanna buy a radio station cheap X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=aPjNev8BAQeYj4omD-QEO_k1OJ8qVTha2BUrL6F39mV7SQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That must be the former KBOI. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: {AMSF} Wanna buy a radio station cheap Wanna buy a radio station cheap? KDJQ-AM 50 kW AM For Sale Court-Ordered Sale in Boise, Idaho Contact: Greg Merrill, Receiver 435-753-8090 merrill.greg@comcast.net mediaservicesgroup.com State of Idaho County of Ada District Court of 4th Judicial District CV-OC-07-19645 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From yaesu_dave@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 12:59:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: yaesu_dave@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46745 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 20:59:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 20:59:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 20:58:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77162 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2008 20:58:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: I.5F1xcVM1mFhXukj2s_nY8F67jVPXNXlU_UGbB5yxhO3xz0CcYUjiDqhks6KU.Lp5fcl7fDt3YBvjPWur.OQd3w_urGAlNzkvEtX7AOmnXdsAf4aNVRZuEcLRbpbcOgUwIViOY_VAtw8Fu8f1jxTKj71nj2SOUAy0OGqHyDh9ehaMbnZZY7rgYq3Mc- X-Received: from [72.244.56.201] by web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:58:59 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:58:59 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <330906.75435.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.39.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: David Wilson Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wanna buy a radio station cheap X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90738522; y=_o0CK4c1NrS16soBtmiSw3QfmEsqyHzmVyQ6KRE-oGo1g6kW7w X-Yahoo-Profile: yaesu_dave Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nope . . . KBOI is still on 670 as it has been for years.=A0 KDJQ was forme= rly on 890 kHz with 50,000 watts daytime.=A0 If I recall correctly, they ha= d to power down to around 300 watts at night to protect KDXU in St. George,= UT.=A0 KDJQ started out running an oldies format, then briefly (less than = a year, I think) tried a Spanish language format, then went back to oldies = before going dark a year or two ago. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 73, =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 David --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Dick W wrote: From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wanna buy a radio station cheap To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 12:31 PM =20=20=20=20 That must be the former KBOI. Dick W. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: {AMSF} Wanna buy a radio station cheap Wanna buy a radio station cheap? KDJQ-AM 50 kW AM For Sale Court-Ordered Sale in Boise, Idaho Contact: Greg Merrill, Receiver 435-753-8090 merrill.greg@ comcast.net mediaservicesgroup. com State of Idaho County of Ada District Court of 4th Judicial District CV-OC-07-19645 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Dec 08 13:20:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64163 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 21:20:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 21:20:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173007pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 21:20:46 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.243.236.178]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KBK00AQUTWNTDK0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:19:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:20:44 -0500 To: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <330906.75435.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wanna buy a radio station cheap X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=ffx-TrrsD2-kTNivvxOjeWs7nlZjfY646IAHG6g7Id5v7A X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very interesting! Thanks - Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Wilson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wanna buy a radio station cheap Nope . . . KBOI is still on 670 as it has been for years. KDJQ was formerly on 890 kHz with 50,000 watts daytime. If I recall correctly, they had to power down to around 300 watts at night to protect KDXU in St. George, UT. KDJQ started out running an oldies format, then briefly (less than a year, I think) tried a Spanish language format, then went back to oldies before going dark a year or two ago. 73, David --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Dick W wrote: From: Dick W Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wanna buy a radio station cheap To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 12:31 PM That must be the former KBOI. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:12 PM Subject: {AMSF} Wanna buy a radio station cheap Wanna buy a radio station cheap? KDJQ-AM 50 kW AM For Sale Court-Ordered Sale in Boise, Idaho Contact: Greg Merrill, Receiver 435-753-8090 merrill.greg@ comcast.net mediaservicesgroup. com State of Idaho County of Ada District Court of 4th Judicial District CV-OC-07-19645 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 13:59:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16475 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 21:59:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 21:59:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 21:59:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25919 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2008 21:59:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RtAG2uoVM1kww3ll9s7pWyr63A5d.nl3oU9IIou40ZdAla0YeE0UeYwBO.RuPBZTuWUj5EY1fzE.M9w4YIEAK16LcLGDymqiJYu6A5AYwEIiCtzsv6gXZ6vpJ4GYxGlqpiaOeRJac_rGEEM8wHiAsOBEEoUg5rfdsVViiubqP6EeYsdxEPo4zwb.mQ-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 13:59:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:59:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <330906.75435.qm@web51412.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <765580.25837.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wanna buy a radio station cheap X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=p7dEzGV0Aq6pzVeSuUbDBGXJJbZ2UrRQaQb9OWkg8-g X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Um, you can't be legally dark for more than a year, or else your license is= gone.... Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 12/8/08, David Wilson wrote: > Nope . . . KBOI is still on 670 as it has been for years.=A0 > KDJQ was formerly on 890 kHz with 50,000 watts daytime.=A0 If > I recall correctly, they had to power down to around 300 > watts at night to protect KDXU in St. George, UT.=A0 KDJQ > started out running an oldies format, then briefly (less > than a year, I think) tried a Spanish language format, then > went back to oldies before going dark a year or two ago. >=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 14:41:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26149 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 22:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 22:41:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 22:41:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37988 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2008 22:41:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: psza0NkVM1nHC8l64RRUMh3nsq3tcIyOlqTJrZDzjFWdubIkxuxZslu17R_yIzGujCWs6gxdvo.UCkskMet0iuSzqNVMxUIDOMtf.G2Kdz2jYNqwizvvo3PxYU8hZ3n6LoVARqWtOJNZndsT7pk85fDZzb1q1VQOjmbBy8AriosU8NBIGusEB9yhc4N3 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:41:22 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:41:22 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <567780.34521.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=kN-vgZgC353CELGREBNbTwoGds4TyUvp-ytDOQNlJZBKkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, it is a shame some stuff that seems so right ends up disappearing. Perhaps you can still get the schematic for it, see what kind of phase shift networks are used in it, and make an outboard version for a home stereo system? That would be a nice option to have in your car, too! G --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Sotiris wrote: > From: Sotiris > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 4:16 PM > Hi George > Yes it is for sure a P shift technique but it ws AMAZING!!! > I have > NEVER HEARD ANYTHING LIKE IT not even with surround systems > that I have > worked with for large cinemas... > > This thing was the top and still is, and I'm very > dissapoinetd that it > didn't get broad acceptance! But isn't also that > the case with the AM > stereo, after a second thought??? > ;) > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > > wrote: > > > > Sounds like the virtual surround stuff they do now, or > the old Carver > Holographic system...all done with phase shifting. G > > > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 14:47:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8703 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 22:47:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 22:47:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 22:47:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55013 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2008 22:47:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9IW_gF4VM1lug.VsdTabjzh1mw9uz4qFauXxKxOic4zHF1KhVwaSA4LGv0SGsXjch6CZRlXv0CHMeq2pNYwePDd.G7RNjxVWhI._eewOdecPxFZgpMLJJ5AktW478XnSxo71r4s1KzAyq6.y4GDvp88y1wBvyLS2f4p1NZHt95qB_2kTYx76ODHHwWzT X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:47:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:47:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <363691.54643.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=fWn2wzgk9P1xLXxUU2FBacn5VkK2L6OX6NWdp0XbSv0dCg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Do you remember quadraphonic headphones? I used to have a pair, think they were Koss. Always seemed a little weird, thinking that a single ear can tell front from rear, but I also had a pair that came with an outboard decoder...just plug it into a regular stereo, play a matrix encoded source, and it did the rest. As the decoder was a simple matrix, with no J-filters, I doubt it would have done too well with SQ, but QS probably would have decoded halfway decent...IF my ears could have told the difference, hah-hah. I gave them away, wish now I'd kept them, just for the historical value! G --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Sotiris wrote: > From: Sotiris > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 4:47 PM > Well here are some info (brochures) about it > http://www.stereo80s.com/bbx.cfm?id=253 > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" > wrote: > > > > Hi George > > Yes it is for sure a P shift technique but it ws > AMAZING!!! I have > > NEVER HEARD ANYTHING LIKE IT not even with surround > systems that I > have > > worked with for large cinemas... > > > > This thing was the top and still is, and I'm very > dissapoinetd that > it > > didn't get broad acceptance! But isn't also > that the case with the > AM > > stereo, after a second thought??? > > ;) > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > > > wrote: > > > > > > Sounds like the virtual surround stuff they do > now, or the old > Carver > > Holographic system...all done with phase shifting. G > > > > > > > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 14:56:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7678 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 22:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 22:56:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 22:56:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73498 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2008 22:56:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Tbm5lMQVM1mbKgbeUYQMEA8Djh4jnpuH4DyUm4DjoxpgGJFtM.esbhBoF3QwmjI3uOkNq5HV1MMfmCwBgXFecFE12bvvLp1ta9gF.L_bDkesRdaRgx8Hq05Zok4Zm46LRi3mn.2AmnGrJlGQX.bIkigRrmZfJdw5CqJDJaqP050OCn.XeV4yXjp9ruam X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:56:14 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 14:56:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <505167.73419.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS still using CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=XcMiQ0arkIvw-pJEX7maGFA5rbzUSCw4PcK6k1UB91b9YQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, last time I could get them around here, they were. One commercial for a motorcycle dealer was pretty wild in stereo! G --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Sotiris wrote: > From: Sotiris > Subject: {AMSF} WLS still using CQUAM? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 7:46 AM > Hi > At an ebay listing > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360114559765 > > I saw the text below... > > "WLS is a Chicago radio station. The call letters > stand for World's > Largest Store (for its original owner, Sears, Roebuck). > > The station operates on an AM clear channel frequency of > 890 kHz with a > power of 50,000 watts, with IBOC during the day, and C-QUAM > AM Stereo > at night (as of 2007). > > Its transmitter and towers are located in Tinley Park, > Illinois." > > Is this still the case? Do they use CQUAM at nights? From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 14:59:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35850 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 22:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 22:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 22:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 22:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.108.92] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 22:59:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:59:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <363691.54643.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.146.170 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=7PudYzUVyO4MzFKUMoH2ajSKmeeWmadclltJdRiqtj8 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Yes I do remember about them. One of my friends had them, and I was=20 make fun with him about those quadrophones... :)=20 Never liked them! I do prefer hearing the sound of common stereo=20 instead of them, although I didn't have a lot of listening time with=20 them! Was it Koss? I'm not sure...=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Do you remember quadraphonic headphones? I used to have a pair,=20 think they were Koss. Always seemed a little weird, thinking that a=20 single ear can tell front from rear, but I also had a pair that came=20 with an outboard decoder...just plug it into a regular stereo, play a=20 matrix encoded source, and it did the rest. As the decoder was a=20 simple matrix, with no J-filters, I doubt it would have done too well=20 with SQ, but QS probably would have decoded halfway decent...IF my=20 ears could have told the difference, hah-hah. I gave them away, wish=20 now I'd kept them, just for the historical value! G >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Sotiris wrote: >=20 > > From: Sotiris > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 4:47 PM > > Well here are some info (brochures) about it=20 > > http://www.stereo80s.com/bbx.cfm?id=3D253=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi George=20 > > > Yes it is for sure a P shift technique but it ws > > AMAZING!!! I have=20 > > > NEVER HEARD ANYTHING LIKE IT not even with surround > > systems that I=20 > > have=20 > > > worked with for large cinemas...=20 > > >=20 > > > This thing was the top and still is, and I'm very > > dissapoinetd that=20 > > it=20 > > > didn't get broad acceptance! But isn't also > > that the case with the=20 > > AM=20 > > > stereo, after a second thought???=20 > > > ;)=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell > > =20 > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sounds like the virtual surround stuff they do > > now, or the old=20 > > Carver=20 > > > Holographic system...all done with phase shifting. G > > > >=20 > > > > > > > > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 15:01:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41311 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 23:01:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 23:01:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 23:01:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 23:01:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.230] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 23:01:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:01:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <505167.73419.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.146.170 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS still using CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=ZTENBUVagWQ9C-J9KC9lFZ34R7MsC_ojKYX5taYQLNk X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr So we could say that they are still have the CQUAM at their=20 airchain... That's good!=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Yes, last time I could get them around here, they were. One=20 commercial for a motorcycle dealer was pretty wild in stereo! G >=20 >=20 > --- On Mon, 12/8/08, Sotiris wrote: >=20 > > From: Sotiris > > Subject: {AMSF} WLS still using CQUAM? > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, December 8, 2008, 7:46 AM > > Hi=20 > > At an ebay listing=20 > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D360114559765 > >=20 > > I saw the text below...=20 > >=20 > > "WLS is a Chicago radio station. The call letters > > stand for World's=20 > > Largest Store (for its original owner, Sears, Roebuck).=20 > >=20 > > The station operates on an AM clear channel frequency of > > 890 kHz with a=20 > > power of 50,000 watts, with IBOC during the day, and C-QUAM > > AM Stereo=20 > > at night (as of 2007).=20 > >=20 > > Its transmitter and towers are located in Tinley Park, > > Illinois."=20 > >=20 > > Is this still the case? Do they use CQUAM at nights? > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 15:24:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33203 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 23:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 23:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 23:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 23:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 23:24:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:24:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <672587.14056.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.2 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=7u4L69ZWD9JTK3QnXl4deOl2vFMSzONGGGA9vA2HeB6LC4Ua5A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Yeah, I know.=A0 I'm trying to keep on-topic.=A0 Speaking of which, I=20 am half done in writing the response to Juan's request to know which=20 quad system it was.=A0 It was SQ that the guy used @ KBPS/1450 in=20 Portland, Oregon. >=20 > For our international members, please tell us if your country has=20 officially endorsed or declined A.M. stereo or if it never made a=20 ruling.=A0 Also, do low-power (<1 watt) stations get licensed or=20 approved by the government or do they get shut down?=A0 Around 2000 we=20 had a couple of Irish members & 1 had a stereo A.M. M.W. signal on=20 1566.=A0 I believe his name was Andy & was in Waterford, Ireland.=A0=20 From what I've read of Irish radio law, so long as a station is non- commercial in nature it is left alone. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 Hi Jay!!! Chile doesn't have an official rule about AM Stereo. I knew CB-76, Radio Cooperativa, from Santiago (Chilean capital)=20 claimed they transmitted in Stereo from 1987 to 1992. I buyed my=20 Philips DC888 car AM stereo in 1989 and I could hear them with the=20 stereo light on, a very good sound but I don't remember any real=20 stereo audio. Maybe they used a format my radio couldn't decode??? I=20 don't know. Today, there is nobody here who claims to transmit with AM stereo.=20 It seems I'm the only one who claims on ARCHI (chilean NAB) meetings=20 about it, but not exactly. There is some interesting, but not the=20 money hahahahaha!!! However, chilean AM radios still have a lot of music, all kind of=20 music. But the AM receivers... FORGET IT!!! Just a piece of shi.....=20 Oops!!! LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 08 15:30:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17765 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2008 23:30:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2008 23:30:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2008 23:30:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 23:30:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2008 23:30:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:30:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.2 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} History of AM Stereo Competition X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_Pjyh82Hxc1R-hBPeTTxMFplsPna0HTP7bgvDJshJNv67x0dGw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > >=20 > Well, is not a so "secret" method. The basis of it is that the=20 > mastering recording should be done with two directional=20 microphones=20 > placed in the center of a place and trimmed to be in accordance=20 with=20=20 > a human head/ear specific geometry (or better a dummy head), and=20 with=20 > all the ear geometry taken in account. That will give you a=20 > reproduction of what the human ears/brain decodes at a specific=20 > position in a 3D enviroment. The reproduction has more physical=20 > effect than trying to record sounds inside a place by adding many=20 > microphones at the borders of the place. Surround systems have the=20 > sound as you are inside the center of a movie scene, while you are=20 > more like a third person watching the scene infront of you. The=20 sound=20 > should be as if you were at a distance from the point where things=20 > happen and not at the center of it standing somewhere (but not=20 even=20=20 > at a specific clearly understandable point of the set) between the=20 > actors.=20 > I don't find that more naturally sounded...=20 >=20 >=20=20 > Yes its a personal view based thing, but the biphonic way wasn't=20 > a "lie", or at least was not much more a lie than the surrounds as=20 > are now...=20 >=20 > The sound that finally gets to an outside observer of a life=20 scene,=20 > isn't the sound that is in the center point of that scene will=20 > have...=20 > however there are things that the observer can listen but these=20 same=20 > things aren't always listenable to the center point of the scene=20 in=20 > front of him, and vice versa! Remember the example at the demo=20 tape=20 > of the Biphonic that I had mentioned. The fly that was so=20 disturbing=20 > to me could not in any case disturb a musician at the orchestra,=20 or=20 > for example at video, an actor at a scene that I as an observer=20 will=20 > watch from say... 10-100 meters away! Vice versa, a fly at the=20 scene=20 > flying close to the actor ears could NOT be hearible at any case=20 by=20 > an observer at 10 - 100 meters away!!!=20 > Sound at human is a 2 point 3D situation, while the surround try=20 to=20 > replicate it by doing a recording and reproducion from multipoint=20 > systems to gain a 3D. Directional 2 point co-phasing is for me=20 best=20 > for recording and reproduction of a 3D enviroment.=20 >=20 > To make it simpler, you are watching an opera, you're not acting=20 on=20 > the set of the opera...=20 >=20 > Of course is a personal oppinion, but if you could hear what I=20 have=20 > heard thru that biphonic demo tape (and that means not only the=20 one=20 > demo track with the fly) you might agree with me that this was a=20 set=20 > to compare future/other systems...=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 I can't refute you because I don't have heard the byphonic system,=20 but I believe you about the realistic effect. However, I think it is possible to get the same with a multi=20 microphones array (see the Wendy Carlos web page about it). Whatever, the AM central problem remains the same: HOW CAN WE GET=20 THE MUSIC GET BACK TO THE USA RADIO? and HOW CAN WE GET BETTER AM=20 RECEIVERS? Some idea??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 06:39:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24711 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2008 14:39:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2008 14:39:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 14:39:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54224 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2008 14:39:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: A2YvxcEVM1kgbcZB52AGJI2GxOIg1FP1DefTpQVLBIfY_PFH5LH5HO6yRvUA60CGPs4kQK9KMHmVbjrRURJ76zOdXbjqLaUSmKFmh43mHZvTrwVfg1XYp3BpfvCu4bQqJg5VkRUV3JdOdY2TuuiVxUiG X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:39:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:39:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <851560.54162.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: WLS still using CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=O1xua5oVKtjRALQQI3SQAWUEmhXVbncX9Dec3_SP_MBSvkFPBQXF0tY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WLS is using CQuam at night and IBOC during the day. I'm hoping that WJR will also start using CQuam at night again too - keep your fingers crossed! -John From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 10:14:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16961 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2008 18:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2008 18:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 18:14:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1168 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Dec 2008 18:14:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7Tovf1wVM1l.sxu08apQAst.QLMw8cnVRlVv9kxeD0FuZV1ry90zCZ3252kbcaGbAvsIpBrmeuzQo8GIymUNo1H2y_bLHKVvZy20r3.p.3w5cs5iP_JjtQDORGRSm8iOAM0PeFq0EO6ewau7F7nngDxX4gJmS6VN7h5YhfFQFLOkp31cgMYdyKTZ.A-- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:14:15 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:14:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <851560.54162.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <760905.1101.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLS still using CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=WVwBF4stQbcRQ9EVFgmo-23siukWxOPoA6cgY5nEo18 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I have YET to get WLS to light the AM stereo light on my 2000 Taurus Wagon down here in SC. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 12/9/08, John P. wrote: > WLS is using CQuam at night and IBOC during the day. > I'm hoping that WJR will also start using CQuam at night > again too - keep your fingers crossed! From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 10:21:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33349 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2008 18:21:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2008 18:21:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 18:21:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2008 18:21:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2008 18:21:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:21:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.146.170 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: WLS still using CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=1ppTgO2uW1NImwpiSdhap3z1eX2cRZnI-J_jBXNwJig X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr So if they are doing a switchover to CQUAM at night, I think their=20 engineers are by far smarter (and also seem to still believe that CQUAM=20 has a future), than many others who just don't care or don't know how=20 they could do that switchover! Thumbs up for the guys at WLS CQUAM=20 nightshift... :) From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Dec 09 11:36:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28230 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2008 19:36:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2008 19:36:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 19:36:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d4e.4154c9fa (48576) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:36:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:38:04 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLS still using CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=IcJcuchmDUsleQX6TsPO55JkM2kFwvXbeL4KEmAeNdSkh1M4hLoIxs8fr7z1m9yF X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WLS has no problem lighting the stereo indicator on my Roadmaster Delco Concert II radio here in Arkansas although the platform shift is rather bad due to fading. Something has happened to WLS's signal. I remember 15 or 20 years ago, WLS had a red hot signal in this area. Now it is weak at best. KCJJ is just as strong. Mike ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Dec 09 13:55:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16104 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2008 21:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2008 21:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2008 21:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bf2.42b47dc4 (37564) for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:54:30 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB041-5bbd493ee91329d; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:54:31 -0500 X-Received: from MBLK-M20 (mblk-m20.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.53]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.1) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA034-5bbd493ee91329d; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:54:27 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:54:28 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 66.76.118.53 In-Reply-To: <760905.1101.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD X-Received: from 66.76.118.53 by MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.53) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:54:27 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB285FD71F99FA-1068-21B@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: The Chicago Way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=EzIQk8ixRGH3ibf6bC9orNN6XhxkUePDPbIV-q2hDQaqF_v31ZmMYGjCHVRO7hAF X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like Blago is going down.? Gezz, if I knew he was that corrupt, I would have approached him about holding back some tax credit or something unless WLS went back to its old format and fulltime CQUAM. For those of you in the Southern climes, this is a good example of a system of governance developed in the Windy City during the 1920s and 30s known as the Chicago Way.? Mayor Thompson was one of its first practitioners.? The Honorable Richard Daly, Sr. perfected it.? Governor Ryan, who preceded Blago, is now doing time in the Federal slammer. As one from Missouri, now living in Arkansas, I should note that Missouri had Tom Pendergast who put Harry Truman in office and Jim Guy Tucker who succeeded Bill Clinton as governor of the Natural State also had to do some public service at the Federal level with the Department of Corrections. It was noted in the indictment when Blago attempted to extort Obama over his vacated senate seat, Blago said "F*#k Obama" when all the President Elect's office offerred him was gratitude.? Kiss that Presidential Pardon, goodbye.? Blago was last seen Mapquesting directions from Springfield to Menard. Back on topic, is WGN owned by the Tribune?? WGN stood for World's Greatest Newspaper.? I always thought that was peculiar given the NYT was in New York.? I know the Tribune owns the Cubs.? Well, actually, the St. Louis Cardinals have "owned" the Cubs since the mid-40s, but that's another story. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 17:26:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13836 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2008 01:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2008 01:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 01:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2008 01:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2008 01:26:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:26:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.75 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WLS still using CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=vitKi4CsKyYHoJtBFkkLLOKfvaB7EC2ShNkRXBROobgL-EXefw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > WLS has no problem lighting the stereo indicator on my Roadmaster=20 Delco=20 > Concert II radio here in Arkansas although the platform shift is=20 rather bad due to=20 > fading. >=20 This is the best reason to prefer ISB instead C-QUAM (or any=20 other "phasing" system) in all these "low" bands (LW, MW and SW). I don't have experience the infamous "platform motion" because I=20 don't have any C-QUAM station here, but I can imagine what it is=20 (because I often used to "play" with the balance control on my old=20 first stereo equipment in a similar way). But, with HAM good friends, we have done some ISB experiments (with=20 HAM devices, of course). ISB (Kahn) AM Stereo has a lot of noise in DX mode, yes. But you'll=20 always have a very good stereo image. In the other side, the C-QUAM decoder can't tolerate the "external"=20 phase changes so... it can't decode the stereo information in a=20 reasonable way. Whatever, with all these problems the analog AM can be recovered in=20 an intelligible way, ALWAYS!!! Digital audio systems known today=20 can't do it (if the decoder can't "understand" the message, it just=20 switch to analog). I wonder if, in this case, digital=20 means "progress" ??? LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 09 17:46:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30048 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2008 01:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2008 01:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 01:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.164] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081209194621000249900014.0) with SMTP id <20081209194621000249900014> for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:46:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <013b01c95a69$83ebbba0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <851560.54162.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:46:21 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLS still using CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=3H7smOyZduO8JtCf7chjCNImpV1qrMofspEOo4CWdsezGHRr53qL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have you been in contact with their engineer, or otherwise heard some rumblings that he may be doing this, or is it just wishful thinking? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:39 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: WLS still using CQUAM? WLS is using CQuam at night and IBOC during the day. I'm hoping that WJR will also start using CQuam at night again too - keep your fingers crossed! -John --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 09 17:53:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50649 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2008 01:53:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2008 01:53:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 01:53:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.164] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081209195309000064300015.0) with SMTP id <20081209195309000064300015> for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:53:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <015301c95a6a$777ec640$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:53:09 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=g1VsPt3Ya1K7uQsK5WvrRMC18L4nddhgScu1fQp_3Lbx67frOD9B X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would tend to doubt it. That station is owned by Bott Broadcasting and has a Christian teaching and talk format. Not that there aren't stereo talk stations even on AM, but there wouldn't be enough stereo content to make it worth doing since most of the national ministry programs they carry are mono. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? I've been informed that a station at St Louis is AM Stereo. Is KSIV 1320. Not sure if thats true, but maybe should be added at the AMS stations still on air. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I report who is still in stereo whenever I hear one. Lately it's been KASM- 1150, Albany MN; KWLO- 1330, Waterloo IA; KKIN- 930, Aitkin MN. Will have to try to see if WAQE- 1090 in Rice Lake WI is still stereo. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kevin redding > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? > > > > Let's try flannel. [Inside joke] > > Out of curiosity, how many AM stations are in C-QUAM stereo in the USA? > > I know there is stereo in the USA on AM but its IBOC digital. > > Kevin > > > > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 09 18:00:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74486 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2008 02:00:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2008 02:00:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.185) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 02:00:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12509 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2008 02:00:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimu8rj76qsv9q) (jimsmith95650@75.44.203.76 with login) by smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 02:00:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BSAcimwVM1kN7z7RDUyYotx2NRidvK6O4HbNlqNJ5s_fyrbk9kxpshK6akP_2v2FYf59P8jPAkoy41lVxUWcsrEEDn2ZowClE_8Z.Xz_n6JX9gKitrA.F8HOtO9kNTO4Nj_eRefKRBYZpJeJAJSA0D2u X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <22DDEA1939F14F159AEB18601ED0B669@jimu8rj76qsv9q> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:00:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLS still using CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=k63RyITaWjkRMNMWsuog4A5FyKF68SxD8MEfOdrdQrhMgKl5Jmx4khUqEcgbkSu42nplortq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Guys With the newer C-QuAM chips like the MC13028 has perty much fixed = that problem of platform shift. If you want to update your old C-QuAM radio= s to the new chips go to www.amstereoradio.com and go to the station list = and at the bottem Jeff Deck's contact button is there or his e-mail is ams= tereo@meduic.com is there and he well help you out with that. His mailing = is Jeff Deck PO BOX 592917 Orlando ,FL 32859 U.S.A . He will want $25 for t= he new decoder. I hope that helps you all out. Jim Smith NOR CAL PS His sit= e is www.meduci.com=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:26 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: WLS still using CQUAM? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > WLS has no problem lighting the stereo indicator on my Roadmaster=20 Delco=20 > Concert II radio here in Arkansas although the platform shift is=20 rather bad due to=20 > fading. >=20 This is the best reason to prefer ISB instead C-QUAM (or any=20 other "phasing" system) in all these "low" bands (LW, MW and SW). I don't have experience the infamous "platform motion" because I=20 don't have any C-QUAM station here, but I can imagine what it is=20 (because I often used to "play" with the balance control on my old=20 first stereo equipment in a similar way). But, with HAM good friends, we have done some ISB experiments (with=20 HAM devices, of course). ISB (Kahn) AM Stereo has a lot of noise in DX mode, yes. But you'll=20 always have a very good stereo image. In the other side, the C-QUAM decoder can't tolerate the "external"=20 phase changes so... it can't decode the stereo information in a=20 reasonable way. Whatever, with all these problems the analog AM can be recovered in=20 an intelligible way, ALWAYS!!! Digital audio systems known today=20 can't do it (if the decoder can't "understand" the message, it just=20 switch to analog). I wonder if, in this case, digital=20 means "progress" ??? LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 18:15:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82590 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2008 02:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2008 02:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 02:15:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69279 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2008 02:15:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pQSLNZQVM1ks39pYItwXYRUvizClEPkbd.DO1.QYsdDw.Qa6THJhLv2W58eDvSqwe0vlOjYh8lK.tclG_3s1QCpzLY4UKODYyFV_SxXjEhVz1D89D8XwkYAdti3Zn384KSXmMGw_WrTQ0B89LlfGtTFxj6pbiFWHd5PhE3lHQm_AE3lS9g1BMT9gANaS X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:15:26 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:15:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <851560.54162.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <663776.67533.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WLS still using CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=zHcxaZFMnyPUd7PxEgqTcO1j1dgf6iuXVL-ziVPmg3FR4w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 They've BEEN crossed, but they are turning VERY blue! (wonder if the exciter is even still in the rack...or gone bye-bye on ebay?) G --- On Tue, 12/9/08, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Re: WLS still using CQUAM? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 9:39 AM > WLS is using CQuam at night and IBOC during the day. > I'm hoping that WJR will also start using CQuam at night > again too - keep your fingers crossed! > > -John From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 18:19:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51567 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2008 02:19:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2008 02:19:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 02:19:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20712 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2008 02:19:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2MqBeZYVM1kRvIr.nbOq8stbxeMyF4QSGoC.bT.HwRCSIpUJ9JTWfk6fXi86HHIzT0t1xDZnosCA915HKmiPOB.OagvbuYV1FcP7boX0Jgiz5dGixf2_tDiUOGYGkJyps4eWSwgoHnJ3FILQ68k9al8eMfe8m3P8hdTbpHj3Kx6imv29eqabfQPb6SCA X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:19:13 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:19:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB285FD71F99FA-1068-21B@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <902314.20697.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Chicago Way X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=dMpBFUx9enkTEvYcYRhLcXbEhMRcKNXzudlMLOf-5YkRkA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Oh yeah, back to full time C-QUAM AND the old format? Cool, "can I get a witness news" and "boogey check" with John Records Landecker, THAT would make me invest in a large chunk of ferrite and a hunk of copper wire :>) --- On Tue, 12/9/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: {AMSF} The Chicago Way > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 4:54 PM > Looks like Blago is going down.? Gezz, if I knew he was that > corrupt, I would have approached him about holding back some > tax credit or something unless WLS went back to its old > format and fulltime CQUAM. > > For those of you in the Southern climes, this is a good > example of a system of governance developed in the Windy > City during the 1920s and 30s known as the Chicago Way.? > Mayor Thompson was one of its first practitioners.? The > Honorable Richard Daly, Sr. perfected it.? Governor Ryan, > who preceded Blago, is now doing time in the Federal > slammer. > > As one from Missouri, now living in Arkansas, I should note > that Missouri had Tom Pendergast who put Harry Truman in > office and Jim Guy Tucker who succeeded Bill Clinton as > governor of the Natural State also had to do some public > service at the Federal level with the Department of > Corrections. > > It was noted in the indictment when Blago attempted to > extort Obama over his vacated senate seat, Blago said > "F*#k Obama" when all the President Elect's > office offerred him was gratitude.? Kiss that Presidential > Pardon, goodbye.? Blago was last seen Mapquesting directions > from Springfield to Menard. > > Back on topic, is WGN owned by the Tribune?? WGN stood for > World's Greatest Newspaper.? I always thought that was > peculiar given the NYT was in New York.? I know the Tribune > owns the Cubs.? Well, actually, the St. Louis Cardinals have > "owned" the Cubs since the mid-40s, but that's > another story. > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Dec 09 19:21:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49651 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2008 03:21:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2008 03:21:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 03:21:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2008 03:21:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2008 03:21:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:21:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.75 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Today C-QUAM receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=hhBiobXX9qAwFSY8xhC-CdxlE7UKMpQeYAk8lTD5wg897E__oQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Time ago, somebody (I think Amy) talked about there is only two or=20 four C-QUAM AM Stereo tuners in USA today (Fanfare FT-100, Meduci=20 AMAX-2000 and another I don't remember now). I wonder if, perhaps, there is some another models with, at least,=20 the graphic design to the C-QUAM part in the main board (without the=20 components itself). Is there some "official register" (census) about it? Is it true GM 2008-2009 car models have C-QUAM AM Stereo as standard=20 equipment? Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 05:56:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22893 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2008 13:56:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2008 13:56:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 13:56:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91781 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2008 13:56:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: usDRCogVM1m0mxnwQt6wpiXpEkCKTrUP1aEn2uVDuv0mHuUCfKUHbk6GstQYhG87CO9bBahkfs4cHyMFxb4VBlCaxfFnwFPqu.GWWY.YaRr9Zkj_z5xDtUfCywJgv_t3kBbZwskkKexx2ycZsiD5FQ10 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:56:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:56:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <309993.91756.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: WLS still using CQUAM? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=YU5ZQV1EG99aiPrWu6lCb4JdcyxnvfoeXX80OO60FAwZ3rF6bDWSHB8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Scott asked: "...Have you been in contact with their engineer, or otherwise heard some rumblings that he may be doing this, or is it just wishful thinking?..." I'm working on it with their CE. He's a new guy, and scared to do too much, but I'm trying to have Warren at WLS convince him that it's okay to do C-Quam, at least at night. I'll let you know where it ends up. Love to have that pilot tone on another 50KW station again! It's important to let these guys know that the Sangean HD tuner will decode C-Quam too! 73s John From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 10:54:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56325 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2008 18:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2008 18:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.244) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2008 18:54:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7266 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2008 18:54:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gjEKA0IVM1nABt0o.CRcRtAcN5vabZvN5qkRda00sKw_C5M1PD8wQzeUo_IuC44Cwe4Q37ZpsgUHYqfm8a3sFj3F8xD1zAGQ7bgWDejpo2wmoHckGGAyKLSbYgsciC9qalNwMay8.L4vFJ48vyErs8X3UanZFbIxTiZn6wQ- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:54:44 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:54:44 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <163723.7198.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: The next A.M. filing window in the U.S.? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=N5u22NfVvJTdbEVsi2w2UBkPFsZzDjewwjVsbN-axWoff0wb5upe X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have any idea when this might be?=A0 I want to apply for a freq= uency or 4 & know of someone else around here I'd like to find a frequency = for who has heard A.M. stereo & likes it (he heard a recording of 3MP that = Ian sent me). Thanks, Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Dec 10 16:34:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12630 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2008 00:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2008 00:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 00:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.99] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081210183355001253800010.0) with SMTP id <20081210183355001253800010> for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:33:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00af01c95b28$91ecbb40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <163723.7198.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:33:55 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} The next A.M. filing window in the U.S.? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=h9sTWd9Pd-arQzz3pCzuYxS4TFljvIaXGjm77Mr7ir-sK4JVH3ls X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hate to say this but it could be years. I think the FCC *might* bend the rules if you're resurrecting a station that has been deleted. Right now I know there are no AM filing windows scheduled. If you haven't done so, you might want to join one or more broadcast lists. This group will probably be one of the more helpful ones though the topics can go all over the map- http://lists.radiolists.net/mailman/listinfo/broadcast Likely someone there will be able to have more definitive information. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: AMSF Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:54 PM Does anyone have any idea when this might be? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 10 18:09:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98564 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2008 02:09:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2008 02:09:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 02:09:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29674 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2008 02:09:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Nx42ofIVM1n14etxySczs9V1qvaRbaXIkUnPzta1aqBmsojAUFRHuChsoZ6i90P2DeyYLeJCl1XoIulrCobjVdIu0aZfhj4S1OiuIMmzv4uSJNRK01K7JhvYkGhyxPhVoBmEaSViSrTQBKLOImYzI6FhZw1KfMwXjwiShqhUM.XggXQNAPpeJ5G6E_w- X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:09:13 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:09:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00af01c95b28$91ecbb40$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <147077.27465.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The next A.M. filing window in the U.S.? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=6FS7ysX8FfmHsQDcOubOmFZCG_hx2hoDB0aBPZpoFA7FjhBuuupk X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How can someone resurrect a deleted station?=A0 Say for instance WREB/930-H= olyoke, Ma. which was deleted ~10 years ago?=A0 Can I say that since the F.= C.C. fulfilled their obligation to delete the license per the Congress but = nobody said the F.C.C. couldn't reauthorize a long-gone facility.=A0 If tha= t's the case, I'm going for 1440-Herndon, Va., the old WHRN/WOHN or my lame= nted WPEP/1570-Taunton, Ma. (which now couldn't come back on on 1570 due to= WNSH upping their power to 30kW). For info on WHRN/WOHN, check out: http://www.dcrtv.com/wrcwjz/wohn.html. Anyway, for all the people that say there are too many stations on the air,= they sure are expensive around here.=A0 Nothing for less than $1M really. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Wed, 12/10/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} The next A.M. filing window in the U.S.? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 7:33 PM =20=20=20=20 Hate to say this but it could be years. I think the FCC *might= * bend the rules if you're resurrecting a station that has been deleted. R= ight now I know there are no AM filing windows scheduled. If you haven't done so, you might want to join one or more broadcast lists.= This group will probably be one of the more helpful ones though the topic= s can go all over the map- http://lists. radiolists. net/mailman/ listinfo/= broadcast Likely someone there will be able to have more definitive infor= mation. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: AMSF=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:54 PM Does anyone have any idea when this might be?=20 =20=20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 15:00:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1131 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2008 23:00:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2008 23:00:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2008 23:00:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60531 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2008 23:00:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4vUHxeEVM1nUASWI_65tujd6Pkbxc0RxsnRRZfm.6iC5cTFKXj_O1fgjporYuSnMyM6D7TzP3ol1p.Np.O0SOFIHKl.aUl3jNJlRdfBVxIFN1amhrPNuIDVCqKgvsRqXSjYMcfaDroIjYaEKgqJ6uifm8Eq6gvTQ2aJViNZz6LFKIW_IvGO.BnkH.mEz X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:00:30 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:00:30 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <10240.56763.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: WLCM-Can we confirm this one? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=SjFQBFHbJMJ776fYE-3fU5m20UUDX8pegMKAUx7oBkgFMEFPiWJE X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apparently they resumed A.M.$ in 7/2006.=A0 It's in Charlotte, Mi. near Lan= sing.=A0 Can we confirm? =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 16:43:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88486 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2008 00:43:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2008 00:43:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 00:43:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39483 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2008 00:43:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: q7vQB7QVM1l9jqXnZ94dc2cBX_uZ95pFaimZ3H5uiRXIfEYcBBS4TU7a87kz7aF44eIXtz6ufyAfSKbcwPTYJBJvf9wQJq9TjqG7mWnfJ6HazerzFeuj6QC0y6Byk.nNeYg.RwczhleVRhqU5HQmN4hScVctInISQqjB4Ug2lbiFGV.SVc0Pd6GRSaaHpqulj1N32m0O_vFgxJrpJ072m0MDN2vknKqQ X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:43:35 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:43:35 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <291385.29845.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Youtube video of AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=UmruDnJAYhkec2HoMtLFsGUnE5sTy7KKTwRm-f0LJUyhCdZc_xZ4 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdhB-HJ8EMo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 20:04:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41130 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2008 04:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2008 04:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 04:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2008 04:04:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.228] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2008 04:04:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:04:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <291385.29845.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.241 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Youtube video of AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=PaEl7_t_6YNyK4eX_qvWluuR7NELSDwcCNko6lDHouqVZnBCDA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtdhB-HJ8EMo >=20 When I see this kind of things I wonder: Who hates the AM too much?=20 There must be someone who hates it, because there isn't another=20 reason to the today AM destiny. Maybe too much investment in FM and TV? ??? When, exactly, the AM radio started to loose ground? Was it when the FM started to be stereo? Was it when the AM receivers started to be bad quality devices? When? Does someone have some answer? ??? I'm not sure if my english is enough good (remember I'm not an=20 english world citizen), but I think you can understand what I want=20 to say. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 12 02:01:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71605 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2008 10:01:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2008 10:01:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.184) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 10:01:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88380 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2008 10:01:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimu8rj76qsv9q) (jimsmith95650@75.26.55.76 with login) by smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 10:01:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xMiTq6EVM1mCTHcDmx_v78N.mNVuSoSqFZg4iz1tctxryzxVgnaufAjaeiQtWzPwY2dGZSItXFIEzQk99M039iYD2YqlsBs54YVXgJZQu275pdRQDxKvI7B7Otghaai1X75YyQK1IRBya48OaoQ32bzA X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <3CC04A0963634CDE927FFC1E3CB0774B@jimu8rj76qsv9q> To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 02:01:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Youtube video of AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=BzCTvplQSsfy1QHKu0A5IxzYctXrSY52vJcAhpWLQFyxHPENYP5b16f__5C8MWDXlADLXh06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jaun In 1961 GE/ZENITH FM STEREO was grated to FM by the FCC so it c= ould gain more listeners because FM was struggling for listeners at the tim= e. About 15 years later it started to happen for FM ,they where gaining mor= e listeners than AM because of better sound and less commerce's and less st= adic to the listeners. When I was a kid in the 70's all the AM radios soun= d like crap and I now know why now because they wanted FM to sound better = for more listener ship. I hope this answers some of your questions. Jim Smi= th NOR CAL ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:04 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Youtube video of AMS --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtdhB-HJ8EMo >=20 When I see this kind of things I wonder: Who hates the AM too much?=20 There must be someone who hates it, because there isn't another=20 reason to the today AM destiny. Maybe too much investment in FM and TV? ??? When, exactly, the AM radio started to loose ground? Was it when the FM started to be stereo? Was it when the AM receivers started to be bad quality devices? When? Does someone have some answer? ??? I'm not sure if my english is enough good (remember I'm not an=20 english world citizen), but I think you can understand what I want=20 to say. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 14:18:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66710 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2008 22:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2008 22:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2008 22:18:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14684 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2008 22:18:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1KhuWhoVM1ndCXfQprDfY5pFhLZItDnwDNzK6JeIw9ZAeu11CVU5sCnemElXNWdTwQLpyZbqiOML_u58CQktgCXrNLB90.W6sta8lR6g6Uf.Yqz5cg2DDoif9Ay8Fee2IUoe_.jfCI3f0aDysXi3vksPmsOC5nVfwRhGVCxvxHNas_Hn0pidDLZcHEog X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:18:18 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:18:18 -0800 (PST) To: ABDX , AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <347561.14656.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: WOON DX test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=SPAUmBquTAr565gEppWXKIso4-Nux3yztt8MhNtYErE4Db0qef7w X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the 1st DX test for the Winter 2008-9 season.=A0 It is hosted by 12= 40/WOON-Woonsocket, Rhode Island, U.S.A. in conjunction with the American B= roadcast DXers on the North American Winter Solstice: Sunday 21st December = 2008 from 02:00-03:00 Eastern Standard Time (07:00-08:00 Zulu).=A0 WOON ope= rates in mono at 1kW non-directional unlimited hours.=A0 WOON will be QSLin= g.=A0 Reception reports will be signed by WOON owner Dave Richards.=A0 Pref= erred method of sending QSL reports will be forthcoming. Again, this is OFFICIAL as of 16:55 E.S.T. 12/12/2008. Jay Rogers (N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410) =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Fri Dec 12 18:45:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88149 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2008 02:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2008 02:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 02:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 87F5318001CF for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:45:41 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.51) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 13 Dec 2008 02:45:18 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 78B20478088; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:45:41 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:45:41 -0500 X-Received: from [96.227.118.85] by ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:45:41 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20081213024541.78B20478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=q1o0AUfmjU_oo1ztG-Aj_2Mqu_ZQwysdxNB5e-t7x8VPHjR7_cGM X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, I can't say I have the answer you are looking for. I have had good results with tube sets by loading the secondary windings of the I F transformers with 50k ohm resistors. This gave a wonderfully smooth response.=20 Perhaps the same principle could be applied to the filters on a solid state unit. The optimum resistor value would be "trial & error", of course. But it is a cheap experiment, something to do on a rainy Saturday. Why not give it a whirl? God bless you too. Joe R. And I repeat my old unanswered question: WHERE CAN I FIND VERY WIDE AM IF FILTERS (450 and/or 455 KHZ) TO REPLACE THE STANDARD VERY NARROW FILTERS WE HAVE IN THE STANDARD TODAY AM RECEIVERS? Thanks a lot for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --=20 Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Fri Dec 12 19:09:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18634 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2008 03:09:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2008 03:09:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2008 03:09:47 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.8.242]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 1044218001BD for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:09:47 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.62) by wfilter3.us4.outblaze.com; 13 Dec 2008 03:09:20 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 817C611581F; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:09:43 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:09:43 -0500 X-Received: from [96.227.118.85] by ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:09:43 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20081213030943.817C611581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=WeZRL3i8SM-tNNh5RhrDjbl4a2NcAIrhkUKDrS3evCYwV965vh5l X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BTW, unless they just bought the 150 k., they actually have 3 Harris Destiny 50 kW. boxes, but can run them together when the mood suits them. (Wish it would suit them to lease it out as a top-40 again...sigh!) Gets my vote! -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 17:42:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45633 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 01:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 01:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 01:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 01:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 01:42:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:42:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20081213024541.78B20478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.42 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=qfh49DAXrchK2Uv8kjXAB2SFgYsFxQZ3mhRmojnid_vqdARdJA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Rouse" =20 wrote: > > Hi Juan, >=20 > I can't say I have the answer you are looking for. I have had good > results with tube sets by loading the secondary windings of the I F > transformers with 50k ohm resistors. This gave a wonderfully=20 smooth > response.=20 >=20 > Perhaps the same principle could be applied to the filters on a=20 solid > state unit. The optimum resistor value would be "trial & error",=20 of > course. But it is a cheap experiment, something to do on a rainy > Saturday. Why not give it a whirl? >=20 > God bless you too. > Joe R. >=20 Hi Joe!!! Of course I'll try it. But not in a rainy day, because in this part=20 of the world is summer, a really hot summer!!! Did you try with some variable value resistor? What about to use some coil-condenser array? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 17:51:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32108 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 01:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 01:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 01:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 01:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 01:51:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:51:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.42 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A non radio issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=i6AjYfYlNR5OSVMJk1MEIgaQg-nW45QEssdIYuu3rthGoqfqJg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! I know it isn't a radio issue, but it's an interesting english=20 grammar issue, related to the music (and the music is related to=20 radio, and so and on). In 1970, The Beatles (The Fab Four) broke their good relationship=20 and they decided to start their single carriers. Also in this year, Ringo Star wrote and recorded a song, a very good=20 song, called: "IT DON'T COME EASY". My question is: according to the "standard" english grammar, Must=20 not it be: "IT DOESN'T COME EASY"? Which exception rule is applying here? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 17:52:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15840 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 01:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 01:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 01:52:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19727 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2008 01:52:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UwIgpOEVM1nz28k64AekmXNNup1MDRz5WOVPHiRrIAmoVeGO7V_4Qp68j794nChIMkXmpYGJr4VFxKFlEB7FGJ891TsZQ6K984kZM0HfgULrQxcL.fdc5d1Uxrs1VJ73LUL3PPFiR_fHvB8Ec5Lugp0pnoeSzU6EiGYmg1RRs6EBk3GPMpP7hJh58QSGV6gueCr7s_o1vCoGmWWDLyfbyNdvSbLF6SuTZCSMTA4- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:52:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:52:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081213030943.817C611581F@ws1-7.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <633084.19490.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=QohVynshUupjhNBgw-NANwcBXRPZgBHxrTSCWIj1lJ5Jpg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yeah, that would be my best Christmas present, to turn on CKLW while up north, and hear "the rock of the wor-ld, XEROK" again. I've got the most awful chest cold right now, but am GRATEFUL! HUH?!? Well, they say if life hands you lemons, make lemonade, right? A friend just pointed out that in my current temporary condition, I sound exactly like the guy that introduces Art Bell! So, I think I'll go warm up the Minidisc deck, and cut a few jingles before I revert back to my octave-higher self, hah-hah! (how's THAT for positive thinking?) George --- On Fri, 12/12/08, Joseph Rouse wrote: > From: Joseph Rouse > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 10:09 PM > BTW, unless they just bought the 150 k., they actually have > 3 Harris > > > Destiny 50 kW. boxes, but can run them together when the > mood suits > them. > (Wish it would suit them to lease it out as a top-40 > again...sigh!) > > Gets my vote! > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 18:02:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44771 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 02:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 02:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 02:02:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82263 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2008 02:02:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ra0IkdgVM1lNa5PIqT2JjYw3JlJR3zLq7OX9l5fap0EsDe_3wsM1lJjg1cuub63Gbcbb2fiKciVWh9b_Ct3W1bCiOp5jlvtQVBslEjAcHTLlxSxIzJrC7Ha0Y4BOXtVW8lSEZg2OSyf4e00BuIICGN3t9zQw8rFOcjfwIrUfWCmD32LoO0jbgtn5 X-Received: from [209.213.19.119] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:02:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:02:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <324485.82131.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non radio issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=L3-C-dEV56Xsa1IuQ87pgifK_htDz-vgiWtDhla1Qa4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW No exception, the answer is.... IT'S JUST A SONG. And a good one with a bad english title. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 12/13/08, jotape1960 wrote: > interesting english > grammar issue, related to the music (and the music is > related to > radio, and so and on). > > In 1970, The Beatles (The Fab Four) broke their good > relationship > and they decided to start their single carriers. > > Also in this year, Ringo Star wrote and recorded a song, a > very good > song, called: "IT DON'T COME EASY". > > My question is: according to the "standard" > english grammar, Must > not it be: "IT DOESN'T COME EASY"? > > Which exception rule is applying here? From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 18:08:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16217 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 02:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 02:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 02:08:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99479 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2008 02:08:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IyGJpq8VM1mAJ_12fBct3gpcjTDvUeW7ystmoYmh4C9TAq7S7MqyKDpWkcXJsAjs.iT4.AZMMCi4_Bi8hnhiBy615UfRimp6BXBUnCbRjNHH51ux1iI2OdabQxH_zIh.GfJWXF07qsy0wLR61sN6O2r4YhK2wrGwgAGxd7hNO4BDuLPRXtKBk83SGloRJKD_Mg.geWz0vss24kMzWLfUEQqf6Z56iWzuD1OjuDw- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:08:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:08:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <633084.19490.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <434585.98887.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} a non-radio issue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=dDooiQmJ4pDaNjtCkhjnZWIsty3T7rtmd2EuTL8sQql95A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 As a proud American-made Hillbilly, I reckon Ringo said it right the first time! "Don't" takes up less breath, time, and ink to say or write, thereby makin' it a more ee-ficient term.....y'all! (While y'all say tires, we say tars...20% savings in letters, so we ain't as dumb as some think, hah-hah!) --- On Sat, 12/13/08, george russell wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 8:52 PM > Yeah, that would be my best Christmas present, to turn on > CKLW while up north, and hear "the rock of the wor-ld, > XEROK" again. > > I've got the most awful chest cold right now, but am > GRATEFUL! HUH?!? > Well, they say if life hands you lemons, make lemonade, > right? > A friend just pointed out that in my current temporary > condition, I sound exactly like the guy that introduces Art > Bell! So, I think I'll go warm up the Minidisc deck, > and cut a few jingles before I revert back to my > octave-higher self, hah-hah! (how's THAT for positive > thinking?) > George > > > > --- On Fri, 12/12/08, Joseph Rouse > wrote: > > > From: Joseph Rouse > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis > eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 10:09 PM > > BTW, unless they just bought the 150 k., they actually > have > > 3 Harris > > > > > > Destiny 50 kW. boxes, but can run them together when > the > > mood suits > > them. > > (Wish it would suit them to lease it out as a top-40 > > again...sigh!) > > > > Gets my vote! > > > > -- > > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Dec 13 19:32:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2161 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 03:32:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 03:32:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost02.isp.att.net) (207.115.11.52) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 03:32:07 -0000 X-Received: from owner2d075f959 (adsl-8-112-48.mia.bellsouth.net[65.8.112.48]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20081214033206H02005pup1e>; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:32:06 +0000 To: References: <633084.19490.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <434585.98887.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <434585.98887.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:32:05 -0500 Organization: Q Media Hot 100, LAZR, 1003. KOOL Message-ID: <006e01c95d9c$89e09d10$9da1d730$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcldkM/QjfncTCt7QHm5NUJO+ERlvwAC32rQ Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: 207.115.11.52 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda Q Media" Subject: RE: {AMSF} a non-radio issue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=ZLwgYVG9CZnu_Rnj3q1xMZAwaEpo72r2FQTNwJ3V97BpVno X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of george russell Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:08 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} a non-radio issue... As a proud American-made Hillbilly, I reckon Ringo said it right the first time! "Don't" takes up less breath, time, and ink to say or write, thereby makin' it a more ee-ficient term.....y'all! (While y'all say tires, we say tars...20% savings in letters, so we ain't as dumb as some think, hah-hah!) The song just wouldn't sound right otherwise.... I'm "fixin" to go to bed..lol The other Juan Ft. Pierce, FL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Dec 13 21:25:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69725 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 05:25:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 05:25:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 05:25:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35521 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2008 05:25:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OKGUf7MVM1mBTDsDsnw5J1uGb1NTFZqfToYaSFA8JGoy6b7S5Du7SRTWyA84bwDEthsHdTL3MNt45GpJ2ppLvpp9iqRlB2M8C6bJ5manh82z4kSOOSWKZN__5_Gu6mc0q0BPFIgxFFnaOfNUNaFVZe3t.0daA2nQqOdyD1Qbriv_MlGLb_M.fm7EWDW3jjtPJunQS1_XlenpKWil5F_hbXOX4vONutgt6VrX X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:25:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:25:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006e01c95d9c$89e09d10$9da1d730$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <751482.35500.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} a non-radio issue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=EOumECGRmZYy_9bPjabh2ft5X_Xpx0djw9GUX7Zs081OMw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yeah, I'm fittin' to get a li'l shut-ah mah self...y'all sleep good now, ya heah? (This IS radio related...I sound just like an announcer on WETZ in Sistersville, WV!) --- On Sat, 12/13/08, J Gualda Q Media wrote: > From: J Gualda Q Media > Subject: RE: {AMSF} a non-radio issue... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 10:32 PM > From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of george russell > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:08 PM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} a non-radio issue... > > > > As a proud American-made Hillbilly, I reckon Ringo said it > right the first > time! "Don't" takes up less breath, time, and > ink to say or write, thereby > makin' it a more ee-ficient term.....y'all! > (While y'all say tires, we say tars...20% savings in > letters, so we ain't as > dumb as some think, hah-hah!) > > > > > The song just wouldn't sound right otherwise.... > > I'm "fixin" to go to bed..lol > > > > The other Juan > > Ft. Pierce, FL > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es Sun Dec 14 05:35:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48130 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 13:35:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 13:35:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 13:35:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 13:35:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 13:35:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:35:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.202.91.135 From: "orxata_d_xufa" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192122520; y=D-IpfOsYCYjNcBpZemi3sgEvXZdwZwXxVtygHQ5xxbebsDxgyP50fQ X-Yahoo-Profile: orxata_d_xufa --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: =20 > Italy has at least 2 stations I know about, that have AM CQUAM, with=20 > the StudioX leading the AM Stereo scene not only at Italy, but at all=20 > Europe, since 90's!=20 The other one was Mini Radio (miniradio.it),but I have found no mention of being stereo anywhere else. =20 > France Blue... Not sure if there are stll=20 > on CQUAM.=20 Yes!!,I checked last night and sounded in nice stereo! From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 09:00:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41464 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 17:00:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 17:00:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 17:00:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 17:00:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.229] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 17:00:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:59:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.56.90 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=SVGbx6PXJwsAX_zygHNNtXPfdWC9bq2-_G1BUzx5Ls0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 mini radio never took of to get on air as far as I know... There is one at Napoli with ~30W and I also know that a guy at Rome=20 is starting something this time...=20 Good to learn that PAris Blue still got CQUAM on air... Pitty that I=20 can't hear them at Athens Greece... I will try after new years eve=20 since I'm moving to a new house and it seems to have far less noise=20 there at AM band! Maybe I could do some better DXing there and=20 construct a remote tunable loop to put it up in the top roof!=20 Have only once heard StudioX before 4-5 years, but that was outside=20 of Athens. Paris blue was stereo at least at 2005 by personal=20 experience... :)=20 Have been there since!=20 Are you from France? Or you are at UK, since the Blue covers almost=20 half the UK...=20=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "orxata_d_xufa"=20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: >=20=20 > > Italy has at least 2 stations I know about, that have AM CQUAM,=20 with=20 > > the StudioX leading the AM Stereo scene not only at Italy, but at=20 all=20 > > Europe, since 90's!=20 >=20 > The other one was Mini Radio (miniradio.it),but I have found no > mention of being stereo anywhere else. >=20=20 > > France Blue... Not sure if there are stll=20 > > on CQUAM.=20 >=20 > Yes!!,I checked last night and sounded in nice stereo! > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 09:05:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33607 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 17:05:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 17:05:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 17:05:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 17:05:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 17:05:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:05:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.56.90 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=ekAquT3rhjoNZjFHaSAGP6zXrvcIg0Nmq5cdscduPKw X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Have to also add that there are at least some guys at UK using CQUAM=20 with 10W output, and also at Germany and Belgium, but those are not=20 official legal stations... :) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "orxata_d_xufa"=20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: >=20=20 > > Italy has at least 2 stations I know about, that have AM CQUAM,=20 with=20 > > the StudioX leading the AM Stereo scene not only at Italy, but at=20 all=20 > > Europe, since 90's!=20 >=20 > The other one was Mini Radio (miniradio.it),but I have found no > mention of being stereo anywhere else. >=20=20 > > France Blue... Not sure if there are stll=20 > > on CQUAM.=20 >=20 > Yes!!,I checked last night and sounded in nice stereo! > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 09:46:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57210 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 17:46:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 17:46:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 17:46:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78189 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Dec 2008 17:46:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: m4qE.0EVM1kqirr45AyiL5UDLnGL0x3o9UeFPD1t43Gt9Q4iuaZ6946L5swm9gzr_7exPzyDiX6pEjyoW7b1pdawGH9f3JU0V6qchJddt4NgIO6kiuZ1Sw2_.O_vJMCVsqWl7Iylk218r6t4q.iOUYHQk47o_jQvCrdQg7JAhdfcglfwjtt89f.c50HutsjqQUnqDs4mo7Krm8ZRh603WxDM_IAuUMxOhEqWl9lTIr_0j89I X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:46:44 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:46:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <859230.77976.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=TrMH3ZZHyyXnvKh0UjBGZt3G8aw7oZdOtgLBJwu3h3WXsr_4bAQG X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wonder if the U.K. 1W 4-week stations (I don't remember the name of that = service) could use C-QuAM.=A0 As far as I remember, Ofcom's predecessor (I = think it was the Radio Authority) didn't permit it but who knows what Ofcom= would say. --- On Sun, 12/14/08, Sotiris wrote: From: Sotiris Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 12:05 PM =20=20=20=20 Have to also add that there are at least some guys at UK using = CQUAM=20 with 10W output, and also at Germany and Belgium, but those are not=20 official legal stations... :) --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "orxata_d_xufa"=20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "Sotiris" wrote: >=20=20 > > Italy has at least 2 stations I know about, that have AM CQUAM,=20 with=20 > > the StudioX leading the AM Stereo scene not only at Italy, but at=20 all=20 > > Europe, since 90's!=20 >=20 > The other one was Mini Radio (miniradio.it) ,but I have found no > mention of being stereo anywhere else. >=20=20 > > France Blue... Not sure if there are stll=20 > > on CQUAM.=20 >=20 > Yes!!,I checked last night and sounded in nice stereo! > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 11:54:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63910 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 19:54:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 19:54:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 19:54:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 19:54:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.200] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 19:54:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:54:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.15 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Coverage tables or equations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=k95QT12HA-HKwm-m8s4EcBmSB4EfltKozqvF1rJFuQsjhpBQvA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! Now this is a direct related radio issue. You know I'm not an "academic" technician so... I need some help with=20 maths. Is there some equation and/or table to know the "theorical" geographic=20 coverage area of an AM station, according to the frecuency, final RF=20 power and (I guess) the kind of aerial? If someone knows something about it, please let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 14 12:07:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88179 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 20:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 20:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 20:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c40.4d60b8cb (39952) for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:07:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:07:37 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio News? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=b0BcwSjgJlJNOWOMXB11qD_fDUKRddpL8asjYaJdxS1Z85uTEpNJcMD_zQHDxaI4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The shunt resistor lowers the Q and thus increases the passband. Unfortunately, it also lowers the gain. Mike ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Dec 14 13:12:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4922 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 21:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 21:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 21:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.28] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081214151228002777800011.0) with SMTP id <20081214151228002777800011> for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:12:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00c601c95e31$1b824360$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <434585.98887.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:12:28 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} a non-radio issue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1XE8oHONWI08R8HdCKqYg4Xhy6FVORWjkUB9-7CVm9vwQ1d6Ch4S X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most people think of the term hillbilly as referring to someone from West Virginia or Tennessee, but it was first used to refer to Michigan hill farmers, or settlers in the Michigan upper peninsula. They were thought to be so far north as to need to import sunlight. Nowadays they're taken on a different nickname and are referred to as Yoopers. BTW, to answer your original question, you are right about the correct grammar. However, correct doesn't always fit when it comes to writing song lyrics. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:08 PM As a proud American-made Hillbilly, I reckon Ringo said it right the first time! "Don't" takes up less breath, time, and ink to say or write, thereby makin' it a more ee-ficient term.....y'all! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es Sun Dec 14 13:18:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16191 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 21:18:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 21:18:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 21:18:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 21:18:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2008 21:18:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:18:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.202.91.135 From: "orxata_d_xufa" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192122520; y=PvsAeP4XQdzzB-i8-jBf9jHx1ukIt6Wghmn_NHXU2GX9_kzGFqsRLg X-Yahoo-Profile: orxata_d_xufa --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: >=20 > Are you from France? Or you are at UK, since the Blue covers almost=20 > half the UK...=20=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris Sorry!,I didn't mentioned I'm in Valencia,Spain.I can get France Blue on several frequencies at night,on of them is the stereo 864 with a little of splattering from RNE1 Tarragona on 855(which is a highly used frequency fot this station and even there's a station on 864),but fortunely it's possible to be received ,with some fading. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Dec 14 13:31:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57755 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2008 21:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2008 21:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2008 21:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.28] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081214153128002409700010.0) with SMTP id <20081214153128002409700010> for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:31:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012801c95e33$c4c297c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:31:28 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Youtube video of AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=NNyob_ruYMBphuS3cZGfRWoxcRb_Eaep_81YdymRkHGOfzQy6xAF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AM started going to pot with the advent of the transistor radio. They got = so small that stations cranked up the lows and highs to try and make them s= ound even somewhat decent. Of course, stations started splattering all ove= r each other and then the radios got more narrow banded to deal with that, = and it became a vicious circle. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:04 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Youtube video of AMS --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtdhB-HJ8EMo >=20 When I see this kind of things I wonder: Who hates the AM too much?=20 There must be someone who hates it, because there isn't another=20 reason to the today AM destiny. Maybe too much investment in FM and TV? ??? When, exactly, the AM radio started to loose ground? Was it when the FM started to be stereo? Was it when the AM receivers started to be bad quality devices? When? Does someone have some answer? ??? I'm not sure if my english is enough good (remember I'm not an=20 english world citizen), but I think you can understand what I want=20 to say. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Dec 14 16:11:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83924 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 00:11:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 00:11:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 00:11:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2008 00:11:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.231] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2008 00:11:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:11:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c601c95e31$1b824360$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.8.112.48 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: a non-radio issue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=uobvCo_InVjYbNTkQHs5I1uhu_sOYn6uq2jIpmiPgI3hubM X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane > BTW, to answer your original question, you are right about the=20 correct grammar. However, correct doesn't always fit when it comes to=20 writing song lyrics. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 Scott....."You Got That Right" as Lynyrd Skynyrd once sang. The other Juan From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Dec 15 01:56:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29881 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 09:56:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 09:56:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 09:56:27 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so1254478ywk.36 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:56:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.143.12 with SMTP id q12mr2843297ybd.150.1229334986942; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:56:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.98.19 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:56:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8bce0fe80812150156h7443b3d8l890b0e469b319c89@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:56:26 -0600 To: "NRC List" , "Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America" , amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: The KMBQ 1430 Wasilla, Alaska Saga Continues... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=aMJtZiWbvMepPlzwXKCck9-4PNCRgrY-rXAH13CJ85Bf4cw1Cu2QWnE4 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From Tom Taylor's Radio Info News letter: *Wasilla, Alaska's new AM made it on the air, just before expiration of its CP.* That's the one whose neighbors had blocked an access road to the tower site, making it difficult for licensee John Klapperich to make his FCC-imposed deadline. But KTUU-TV says the new 1430 hit the air last Wednesday, and Klapperich tells the TV station it was a matter of brute-force "Flintstone technology", with him and six other folks working o= n the installation for nearly two weeks. The neighbors are worried about wetlands and potential health problems, and vow to keep up their opposition= . Klapperich already owns a nearby FM =96 Anchorage-market KMBQ-FM at 99.7. T= he AM, with 1-kw day and night, takes calls of KMBQ. For now, it's simulcastin= g adult contemporary KMBQ-FM. My thoughts... Some people need to get a life. If they're so worried about radio waves, then need to get rid of satelitte tv, cellphones and microwaves. In a KTUU-TV Anchor article, two neighbors were quoted as saying: "Matthews and Wise say they both have brain damage caused by poisoning and are fearful the tower will have a neurological effect." http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=3D9409554 You think those two neighbors wear tinfoil hats too? --=20 Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 05:18:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57641 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 13:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 13:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 13:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2008 13:18:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2008 13:18:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:17:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.56.90 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=Yq0uA5IXAdnR-qYb64HjBH2hJYqtcL2QWQHW9UFxb6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr OK You are from Spain! There was a rumour that there are some small=20 power AM CQUAM station at Spain, is that true? How are the laws there=20 for AM stations, do they have the ability to obtain a license, or there=20 are probably only some nation AMers and maybe there are also=20 some "pirates" there?=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris GREECE --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "orxata_d_xufa"=20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > >=20 > > Are you from France? Or you are at UK, since the Blue covers almost=20 > > half the UK...=20=20 > > Best regards=20 > > Sotiris >=20 >=20 > Sorry!,I didn't mentioned I'm in Valencia,Spain.I can get France Blue > on several frequencies at night,on of them is the stereo 864 with a > little of splattering from RNE1 Tarragona on 855(which is a highly > used frequency fot this station and even there's a station on 864),but > fortunely it's possible to be received ,with some fading. > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 05:23:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32284 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 13:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 13:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 13:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2008 13:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.100] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2008 13:23:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:23:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.56.90 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: a non-radio issue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=NM9hzKF6CPIxNT0JFto2dXWxd9oitIgU4nm9AJJjC0c X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr The manipulation of some wrods at lyrics is a so-called 'poetic syntax=20 liberty' that let the poetry to use the word in a way that wihout=20 destroying the words will manipulate the grammar required to syntax a=20 phrase in a way that will be more pleasant to the rim of a poet/song!=20 This is how it works since the Homer Iliad & Odyssey... :) =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan Gualda" wrote: > > > BTW, to answer your original question, you are right about the=20 > correct grammar. However, correct doesn't always fit when it comes=20 to=20 > writing song lyrics. > >=20 > > Scott Todd > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Scott....."You Got That Right" as Lynyrd Skynyrd once sang. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The other Juan > From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Dec 15 06:10:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65788 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 14:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 14:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 14:10:16 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so455783qwe.39 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:10:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.46.12 with SMTP id t12mr7543679qat.316.1229350216289; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:10:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.88.52.83.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.88.52.83.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.88.52.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1162415ywl.15.2008.12.15.06.10.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:10:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2A03B466-DC34-46B6-B63E-4B33EFA371A6@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80812150156h7443b3d8l890b0e469b319c89@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:10:08 -0500 References: <8bce0fe80812150156h7443b3d8l890b0e469b319c89@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} The KMBQ 1430 Wasilla, Alaska Saga Continues... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=DksiuNHRbpRzEiI9KupUC_lxlcyaIow_JevySCMstbVzyARRHjvaEmb-wPii0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 15, 2008, at 4:56 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > In a KTUU-TV Anchor article, two neighbors were quoted as saying: > "Matthews and Wise say they both have brain damage caused by > poisoning and are fearful the tower will have a neurological effect." Gee, a THUNDERSTORM produces more RF than a Class C AM! > You think those two neighbors wear tinfoil hats too? They would LOVE to live next to me then! LOL Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es Mon Dec 15 10:28:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47672 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 18:28:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 18:28:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 18:28:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2008 18:28:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2008 18:28:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:28:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.202.91.135 From: "orxata_d_xufa" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192122520; y=tEC99r2rtszRdraOqNnZnRRX_sPXPRXsc1zzkoVP8RCwMNOXC3vCCA X-Yahoo-Profile: orxata_d_xufa --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > OK You are from Spain! There was a rumour that there are some small=20 > power AM CQUAM station at Spain, is that true? How are the laws there=20 > for AM stations, do they have the ability to obtain a license, or there=20 > are probably only some nation AMers and maybe there are also=20 > some "pirates" there?=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris > GREECE It seemed that at the first 90's Cope Madrid tested stereo,when Luis del Olmo (one of the big personalities of the spanish radio that really loves it)was doing his program "Protagonistas" at this network.As this Station can't be tuned in my area I can't check it,but I doubt it still would be in stereo. I'm not sure,but I think AM's are planned at European's level,for avoiding interference. AM's here aren't power reduced at night. Anyway,for AM as well as for FM licenses are given by government.There are no pirates in AM because nobody is interested in, and receivers,specially in cars, sound very bad.Mine is an OEM Peugeot/Citroen made by Clarion,very good for FM but horrible for AM. The FM is PLENTY of pirates.In my city there are over 50 stations,about 35 are pirates or out of license(over powered,transmission site in a different place,etc) From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 15 10:45:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28232 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 18:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 18:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 18:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c1d.550a05fc (37033) for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:45:26 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB023-5c454946a5c037a; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:45:26 -0500 X-Received: from webmail-me14 (webmail-me14.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.206]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA013-5c454946a5c037a; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:45:20 -0500 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:45:20 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 40627-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.206) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:45:20 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB2CFC6944802B-111C-F@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non radio issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=9vSXXzFtUUsRdQ6Rc-rCyBhvxttTlnVAGdUXJOV6Jn7IBjXNna_bNT6RpVjVguen X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Popular song lyrics are based on common spoken English rather than proper E= nglish.=C2=A0 For example: I can't get no, sat-is-fac-tion. Our current President butchers the English language.=C2=A0 Although he has = an MBA from Yale, he cannot form complete sentences and pulls words out of = his butt.=C2=A0 This exception rule is based on a Cheney interpretation of = the Implied Powers found in the U.S. Constitution. Barack Obama speaks proper English.=C2=A0 This is because he pals around wi= th English Professor William Ayers and is an elitist. The one place you will always hear proper English is the BBC.=C2=A0 It is t= he world standard in this regard.=C2=A0 There is a whole department that do= esn't nothing but assures it. As for proper French, there doesn't appear to be a standard.=C2=A0 I was ta= ught there are six tenses to French verbs.=C2=A0 Some say twelve.=C2=A0 The= French spoken in Quebec is not the same as that spoken in France. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 7:51 pm Subject: {AMSF} A non radio issue HI GANG!!! I know it isn't a radio issue, but it's an interesting english=20 grammar issue, related to the music (and the music is related to=20 radio, and so and on). In 1970, The Beatles (The Fab Four) broke their good relationship=20 and they decided to start their single carriers. Also in this year, Ringo Star wrote and recorded a song, a very good=20 song, called: "IT DON'T COME EASY". My20question is: according to the "standard" english grammar, Must=20 not it be: "IT DOESN'T COME EASY"? Which exception rule is applying here? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 12:34:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85603 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 20:34:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 20:34:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:34:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2008 20:34:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2008 20:34:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:34:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CB2CFC6944802B-111C-F@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.253 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non radio issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9R2IeyZkZ53kFdhdkH2e9RE91GZUgAGHxlxlLKaYkDa12cZ9tA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Popular song lyrics are based on common spoken English rather than=20 proper English.=C2=A0 For example: >=20 > I can't get no, sat-is-fac-tion. >=20 > Our current President butchers the English language.=C2=A0 Although he=20 has an MBA from Yale, he cannot form complete sentences and pulls=20 words out of his butt.=C2=A0 This exception rule is based on a Cheney=20 interpretation of the Implied Powers found in the U.S. Constitution. >=20 > Barack Obama speaks proper English.=C2=A0 This is because he pals=20 around with English Professor William Ayers and is an elitist. >=20 > The one place you will always hear proper English is the BBC.=C2=A0 It=20 is the world standard in this regard.=C2=A0 There is a whole department=20 that doesn't nothing but assures it. >=20 > As for proper French, there doesn't appear to be a standard.=C2=A0 I=20 was taught there are six tenses to French verbs.=C2=A0 Some say=20 twelve.=C2=A0 The French spoken in Quebec is not the same as that spoken=20 in France. >=20 > Mike >=20 > Thank you so much for all your help about it!!!!!!! Now I know the english poets often use the same tricks the spanish=20 poets use. It was just a curiosity to me because all The Beatles guys were=20 british men and I thought they used the english in a more "british"=20 way. Of course, I know it isn't a general rule. Whatever, the song is so good!!! However, in my opinion, the best=20 Ringo's album was "Sentimental Journey" (a non Beatles style album,=20 hahahaha!!!). My opinion. Are there USA AM Stations with this kind of music today? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 12:37:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63339 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 20:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 20:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2008 20:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Dec 2008 20:37:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:37:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.253 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BwkHGQcB7Et6yPoq9qfizfqwfwS_tJkC91B6aOhEP9MwxeOlVA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "orxata_d_xufa"=20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > > > OK You are from Spain! There was a rumour that there are some=20 small=20 > > power AM CQUAM station at Spain, is that true? How are the laws=20 there=20 > > for AM stations, do they have the ability to obtain a license,=20 or there=20 > > are probably only some nation AMers and maybe there are also=20 > > some "pirates" there?=20 > > Best regards=20 > > Sotiris > > GREECE >=20 > It seemed that at the first 90's Cope Madrid tested stereo,when=20 Luis > del Olmo (one of the big personalities of the spanish radio that > really loves it)was doing his program "Protagonistas" at this > network.As this Station can't be tuned in my area I can't check=20 it,but > I doubt it still would be in stereo. > I'm not sure,but I think AM's are planned at European's level,for > avoiding interference. AM's here aren't power reduced at night. > Anyway,for AM as well as for FM licenses are given by=20 government.There > are no pirates in AM because nobody is interested in, and > receivers,specially in cars, sound very bad.Mine is an OEM > Peugeot/Citroen made by Clarion,very good for FM but horrible for=20 AM. > The FM is PLENTY of pirates.In my city there are over 50 > stations,about 35 are pirates or out of license(over > powered,transmission site in a different place,etc) > Hahahahaha!!! My MotherLand Spain has the same illnes Chile has: FM=20 PYRATES!!! Greetings from CHILE!!! =A1Saludos muy cordiales desde Chile a todos mis hermanos y hermanas=20 de la Madre Patria!!!!!!! LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 12:38:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73720 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 20:38:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 20:38:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 20:38:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6847 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2008 20:38:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .mUuURAVM1nfAGezy1pngzIelQFwzgn8ckAOrFyKZ8UEF5MtzglwiiROfEUAvPsJHasIXku.gwwYfr2Nw5aSKPLCt8m4ymivm2ddbsXhczd2K4_COez_7VjCT4DNZf66Dge5FNiOd3OXkEDmS_FFxZYtrWfnhuMDp__B4U5aPblQlR.7wFiCOZaMZfL0o27M5lrfBdvIyvWY4ZTBsGvyzXXlQXbY X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:38:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:38:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <159746.6681.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non radio issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=2yJb71FZe7hEWtjESMloTWKoW1HZxD_nohfz-2V1VFU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Yes, at WKDK we do play oldies like that, however, right now we are all Chr= istmas.=20 And if you have reasonably fast internet you can listen online.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 12/15/08, jotape1960 wrote: >>=20 > Are there USA AM Stations with this kind of music today? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 15 13:56:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18835 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 21:56:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 21:56:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 21:56:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c86.42bfcc1d (37140) for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:56:03 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA032-5c804946d26e32c; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:56:03 -0500 X-Received: from webmail-me07 (webmail-me07.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.199]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB038-5c804946d26e32c; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:55:58 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:55:58 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 40627-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.199) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:55:58 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB2D170C2302C8-86C-D18@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=AukrzdPzNKCFN4OTnZwZE6jpLbDwVsBWUew-TShCC5E86GSq-KxQ8SnoniLdzkm5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FM piracy is easier because the antenna is far less expensive and easier to= conceal than AM.=C2=A0 On AM, without a tower and ground system, you may b= e technically illegal, but you are going anyplace signalwise. On FM, you get a hundred watt transmitter into an unremarkable=C2=A0FM rece= iving Yagi and you have a signal comparable to a commercial station in the = line of coverage and nearly nothing towards the FCC Field Office.=C2=A0 Loo= king at the FCC citations, there are FM pirates with signal strengths in th= e tens of millivolts at 1 km. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 2:37 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "orxata_d_xufa"=20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > > > OK You are from Spain! There was a rumour that there are some=20 small=20 > > power AM CQUAM station at Spain, is that true? How are the laws=20 there=20 > > for AM stations, do they have the ability to obtain a license,=20 or there=20 > > are probably only some nation AMers and maybe there are also=20 > > some "pirates" there?=20 > > Best regards=20 > > Sotiris > > GREECE >=20 > It seemed that at the first 90's Cope Madrid tested stereo,when=20 Luis > del Olmo (one of the big personalities of the spanish radio that > really loves it)was doing his program "Protagonistas" at this > network.As this Station can't be tuned in my area=3D2 0I can't check=20 it,but > I doubt it still would be in stereo. > I'm not sure,but I think AM's are planned at European's level,for > avoiding interference. AM's here aren't power reduced at night. > Anyway,for AM as well as for FM licenses are given by=20 government.There > are no pirates in AM because nobody is interested in, and > receivers,specially in cars, sound very bad.Mine is an OEM > Peugeot/Citroen made by Clarion,very good for FM but horrible for=20 AM. > The FM is PLENTY of pirates.In my city there are over 50 > stations,about 35 are pirates or out of license(over > powered,transmission site in a different place,etc) > Hahahahaha!!! My MotherLand Spain has the same illnes Chile has: FM=20 PYRATES!!! Greetings from CHILE!!! =C2=A1Saludos muy cordiales desde Chile a todos mis hermanos y hermanas=20 de la Madre Patria!!!!!!! LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 14:48:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69894 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 22:48:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 22:48:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 22:48:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22486 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2008 22:48:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QuZLtQQVM1kTsZmlRLM9ziir7A_pVCw3gDlZa6dKg7Ieq.lQwIK6rN05iB_JkNpVi7Wbq8BT7EUENFTmOnflFpIZbO5x7xXUGou5Sd4OGriIn6nzpjuyjP2esyl50lfmlNykJEANKfUYMmWuMCEGAXSCR9DCdxip9RiB2yaZrkgfIYZzWhKSyZXIkAYeh2OitVWa1gmOpfX6F4KpuDoVWgpti2wx X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:48:19 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:48:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB2CFC6944802B-111C-F@webmail-me14.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <110004.22422.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non radio issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=MDkj_3Y-s2PR8kZuOpwMed88d89YzjSg6IxKSRyHa3EpfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 NUKE-YOU-LER!!! --- On Mon, 12/15/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non radio issue > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 1:45 PM > Popular song lyrics are based on common spoken English > rather than proper English.=A0 For example: >=20 > I can't get no, sat-is-fac-tion. >=20 > Our current President butchers the English language.=A0 > Although he has an MBA from Yale, he cannot form complete > sentences and pulls words out of his butt.=A0 This exception > rule is based on a Cheney interpretation of the Implied > Powers found in the U.S. Constitution. >=20 > Barack Obama speaks proper English.=A0 This is because he > pals around with English Professor William Ayers and is an > elitist. >=20 > The one place you will always hear proper English is the > BBC.=A0 It is the world standard in this regard.=A0 There is a > whole department that doesn't nothing but assures it. >=20 > As for proper French, there doesn't appear to be a > standard.=A0 I was taught there are six tenses to French > verbs.=A0 Some say twelve.=A0 The French spoken in Quebec is > not the same as that spoken in France. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: jotape1960 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 7:51 pm > Subject: {AMSF} A non radio issue >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > HI GANG!!! >=20 > I know it isn't a radio issue, but it's an > interesting english=20 > grammar issue, related to the music (and the music is > related to=20 > radio, and so and on). >=20 > In 1970, The Beatles (The Fab Four) broke their good > relationship=20 > and they decided to start their single carriers. >=20 > Also in this year, Ringo Star wrote and recorded a song, a > very good=20 > song, called: "IT DON'T COME EASY". >=20 > My20question is: according to the "standard" > english grammar, Must=20 > not it be: "IT DOESN'T COME EASY"? >=20 > Which exception rule is applying here? >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 14:51:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76765 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 22:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 22:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 22:51:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52413 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2008 22:50:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yzzEbLAVM1nFVqDTVOZRZj6MVyrSvf12pDXBlSu1IgMg24vzDijvquXcT3Ek4VzKYyULN6lkgwwc9V8OXYcf3HmG6KIA3vnloOPx0VW2NmYTvd0PhDtRnoIJumyDfFO7_nnvKCXhiCEIo9yy6pEtNlS.JaEd90oEVwhNpSsFYwjXVjzfgnEV5_nhsqTWqLto4pP9UtlwjY2NSYBKnicfcfGfLZmcVHf8LCYHwT8x X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:50:58 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:50:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB2D170C2302C8-86C-D18@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <269330.61696.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=l_D57wtocjlBCGAC5TBbe_lLp0uq4bUS3_tux3ueHPs55g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Best bet for an AM antenna...long piece of wire held aloft by a surplus wea= ther balloon, and a location near a river or lake for grounding. Anybody tried it? G=20 --- On Mon, 12/15/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 4:55 PM > FM piracy is easier because the antenna is far less > expensive and easier to conceal than AM.=A0 On AM, without a > tower and ground system, you may be technically illegal, but > you are going anyplace signalwise. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On FM, you get a hundred watt transmitter into an > unremarkable=A0FM receiving Yagi and you have a signal > comparable to a commercial station in the line of coverage > and nearly nothing towards the FCC Field Office.=A0 Looking > at the FCC citations, there are FM pirates with signal > strengths in the tens of millivolts at 1 km. >=20 > Mike >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: jotape1960 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 2:37 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "orxata_d_xufa"=20 > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "Sotiris" wrote: > > > > > > OK You are from Spain! There was a rumour that > there are some=20 > small=20 > > > power AM CQUAM station at Spain, is that true? > How are the laws=20 > there=20 > > > for AM stations, do they have the ability to > obtain a license,=20 > or there=20 > > > are probably only some nation AMers and maybe > there are also=20 > > > some "pirates" there?=20 > > > Best regards=20 > > > Sotiris > > > GREECE > >=20 > > It seemed that at the first 90's Cope Madrid > tested stereo,when=20 > Luis > > del Olmo (one of the big personalities of the spanish > radio that > > really loves it)was doing his program > "Protagonistas" at this > > network.As this Station can't be tuned in my > area=3D2 > 0I can't check=20 > it,but > > I doubt it still would be in stereo. > > I'm not sure,but I think AM's are planned at > European's level,for > > avoiding interference. AM's here aren't power > reduced at night. > > Anyway,for AM as well as for FM licenses are given by=20 > government.There > > are no pirates in AM because nobody is interested in, > and > > receivers,specially in cars, sound very bad.Mine is an > OEM > > Peugeot/Citroen made by Clarion,very good for FM but > horrible for=20 > AM. > > The FM is PLENTY of pirates.In my city there are over > 50 > > stations,about 35 are pirates or out of license(over > > powered,transmission site in a different place,etc) > > >=20 > Hahahahaha!!! My MotherLand Spain has the same illnes Chile > has: FM=20 > PYRATES!!! >=20 > Greetings from CHILE!!! >=20 > =A1Saludos muy cordiales desde Chile a todos mis hermanos y > hermanas=20 > de la Madre Patria!!!!!!! >=20 > LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 15:36:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60585 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2008 23:36:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Dec 2008 23:36:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2008 23:36:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91020 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2008 23:36:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: de4hciQVM1ljh7ajYffDfWVumDvvLhTeHoq9zLWcu.Zem0REjBDbcfhF_R6uq8r4pN27fgg9lNpOhRiTDxgnMbQaTyRJYdPxZzjOcGCK9FqqhZi8RszM67F2WPDdZMwLOS5yii6uTgsexILqOFZ_PuF78eVbXKB20OqgHX_PPD2ESHuJ8.RSkiztWbpW6xBvIqBgg9EubGZzWO2IfEHKGCWie9K_LdmQ9CMUV_QE X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:36:49 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:36:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <979581.90387.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=EFHgxX28CZ0i1clnZEOAN2y6ZkK432FgwgK-mScW5wfZiZsKK9va X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Juan, let me see if this is correct: "Very cordial greetings from Chile= to my brothers & sisters in the Motherland." So how easy is it to get an A.M. radio license in Chile, Greece & Spain? 73, Jay,N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Mon, 12/15/08, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:37 PM =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "orxata_d_xufa"=20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > > > OK You are from Spain! There was a rumour that there are some=20 small=20 > > power AM CQUAM station at Spain, is that true? How are the laws=20 there=20 > > for AM stations, do they have the ability to obtain a license,=20 or there=20 > > are probably only some nation AMers and maybe there are also=20 > > some "pirates" there?=20 > > Best regards=20 > > Sotiris > > GREECE >=20 > It seemed that at the first 90's Cope Madrid tested stereo,when=20 Luis > del Olmo (one of the big personalities of the spanish radio that > really loves it)was doing his program "Protagonistas" at this > network.As this Station can't be tuned in my area I can't check=20 it,but > I doubt it still would be in stereo. > I'm not sure,but I think AM's are planned at European's level,for > avoiding interference. AM's here aren't power reduced at night. > Anyway,for AM as well as for FM licenses are given by=20 government.There > are no pirates in AM because nobody is interested in, and > receivers,specially in cars, sound very bad.Mine is an OEM > Peugeot/Citroen made by Clarion,very good for FM but horrible for=20 AM. > The FM is PLENTY of pirates.In my city there are over 50 > stations,about 35 are pirates or out of license(over > powered,transmissio n site in a different place,etc) > Hahahahaha!! ! My MotherLand Spain has the same illnes Chile has: FM=20 PYRATES!!! Greetings from CHILE!!! =A1Saludos muy cordiales desde Chile a todos mis hermanos y hermanas=20 de la Madre Patria!!!!!! ! LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 16:45:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98829 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2008 00:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2008 00:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2008 00:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2008 00:45:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2008 00:45:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:45:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <979581.90387.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.56.90 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=aTsd1VFUPlRv_hyVXO0w7C0GT5kFYRR5JqpBSkykzKs X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Well, at least at Greece, there is no option to get an AM license to=20 broadcast legally... :(=20 However there are some other EU countries that there is an opening to=20 private owned AM stations, as is UK, with powers from 10W up to even=20 10KW!=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Hey Juan, let me see if this is correct: "Very cordial greetings=20 from Chile to my brothers & sisters in the Motherland." >=20 > So how easy is it to get an A.M. radio license in Chile, Greece &=20 Spain? >=20 > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Mon, 12/15/08, jotape1960 wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:37 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "orxata_d_xufa"=20 >=20 > wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "Sotiris" wrote: >=20 > > > >=20 > > > OK You are from Spain! There was a rumour that there are some=20 >=20 > small=20 >=20 > > > power AM CQUAM station at Spain, is that true? How are the laws=20 >=20 > there=20 >=20 > > > for AM stations, do they have the ability to obtain a license,=20 >=20 > or there=20 >=20 > > > are probably only some nation AMers and maybe there are also=20 >=20 > > > some "pirates" there?=20 >=20 > > > Best regards=20 >=20 > > > Sotiris >=20 > > > GREECE >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > It seemed that at the first 90's Cope Madrid tested stereo,when=20 >=20 > Luis >=20 > > del Olmo (one of the big personalities of the spanish radio that >=20 > > really loves it)was doing his program "Protagonistas" at this >=20 > > network.As this Station can't be tuned in my area I can't check=20 >=20 > it,but >=20 > > I doubt it still would be in stereo. >=20 > > I'm not sure,but I think AM's are planned at European's level,for >=20 > > avoiding interference. AM's here aren't power reduced at night. >=20 > > Anyway,for AM as well as for FM licenses are given by=20 >=20 > government.There >=20 > > are no pirates in AM because nobody is interested in, and >=20 > > receivers,specially in cars, sound very bad.Mine is an OEM >=20 > > Peugeot/Citroen made by Clarion,very good for FM but horrible for=20 >=20 > AM. >=20 > > The FM is PLENTY of pirates.In my city there are over 50 >=20 > > stations,about 35 are pirates or out of license(over >=20 > > powered,transmissio n site in a different place,etc) >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hahahahaha!! ! My MotherLand Spain has the same illnes Chile has:=20 FM=20 >=20 > PYRATES!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Greetings from CHILE!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > =A1Saludos muy cordiales desde Chile a todos mis hermanos y hermanas=20 >=20 > de la Madre Patria!!!!!! ! >=20 >=20 >=20 > LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. >=20 > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 17:46:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64878 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2008 01:46:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2008 01:46:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2008 01:46:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85834 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2008 01:46:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BySzwD8VM1k0DGNbZVBuiRY695PJSbzTnownexGUCJ7qL1stoO4OR7HpwT7mRduCZnGlTqTvFLaGKUI8nGfQ4JVpZ54pGnXL9BqeQC1eqQl2OlfbVNJgjV1mzl.HZwJNoj0qSEASXsqhgV54cM_5eWDaOper3Uzu.R6gDayyNEnt8w6BALR4_RIgtFYOqkPozoKlPzN1dMsbgUg_isEfFzw_yGWPPNIZeFkx_hCelgS92LuI X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:46:50 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:46:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <225374.83872.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=KRrtB5RpDrdfmnJUeq7jwEBNX5uwpnNqy7886j1GgDRCxFCSoDy6 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Correct me if I'm wrong but arent 1485, 1584 & 1602 "local" frequencies lim= ited to a few thousand watts?=A0 They should @ least allow that. --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Sotiris wrote: From: Sotiris Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 7:45 PM =20=20=20=20 Well, at least at Greece, there is no option to get an AM licen= se to=20 broadcast legally... :(=20 However there are some other EU countries that there is an opening to=20 private owned AM stations, as is UK, with powers from 10W up to even=20 10KW!=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, JNR wrote: > > Hey Juan, let me see if this is correct: "Very cordial greetings=20 from Chile to my brothers & sisters in the Motherland." >=20 > So how easy is it to get an A.M. radio license in Chile, Greece &=20 Spain? >=20 > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Mon, 12/15/08, jotape1960 wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:37 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "orxata_d_xufa"=20 >=20 > wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "Sotiris" wrote: >=20 > > > >=20 > > > OK You are from Spain! There was a rumour that there are some=20 >=20 > small=20 >=20 > > > power AM CQUAM station at Spain, is that true? How are the laws=20 >=20 > there=20 >=20 > > > for AM stations, do they have the ability to obtain a license,=20 >=20 > or there=20 >=20 > > > are probably only some nation AMers and maybe there are also=20 >=20 > > > some "pirates" there?=20 >=20 > > > Best regards=20 >=20 > > > Sotiris >=20 > > > GREECE >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > It seemed that at the first 90's Cope Madrid tested stereo,when=20 >=20 > Luis >=20 > > del Olmo (one of the big personalities of the spanish radio that >=20 > > really loves it)was doing his program "Protagonistas" at this >=20 > > network.As this Station can't be tuned in my area I can't check=20 >=20 > it,but >=20 > > I doubt it still would be in stereo. >=20 > > I'm not sure,but I think AM's are planned at European's level,for >=20 > > avoiding interference. AM's here aren't power reduced at night. >=20 > > Anyway,for AM as well as for FM licenses are given by=20 >=20 > government.There >=20 > > are no pirates in AM because nobody is interested in, and >=20 > > receivers,specially in cars, sound very bad.Mine is an OEM >=20 > > Peugeot/Citroen made by Clarion,very good for FM but horrible for=20 >=20 > AM. >=20 > > The FM is PLENTY of pirates.In my city there are over 50 >=20 > > stations,about 35 are pirates or out of license(over >=20 > > powered,transmissio n site in a different place,etc) >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hahahahaha!! ! My MotherLand Spain has the same illnes Chile has:=20 FM=20 >=20 > PYRATES!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Greetings from CHILE!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > =A1Saludos muy cordiales desde Chile a todos mis hermanos y hermanas=20 >=20 > de la Madre Patria!!!!!! ! >=20 >=20 >=20 > LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. >=20 > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 20:10:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40555 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2008 04:10:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2008 04:10:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2008 04:10:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2008 04:10:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2008 04:10:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:10:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <979581.90387.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.167 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=gMXmy_Fhi9ow7iL-nTVLrJ0EFJYBNn0Sh2T8BKJf6XtI4QC4MA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Hey Juan, let me see if this is correct: "Very cordial greetings=20 from Chile to my brothers & sisters in the Motherland." >=20 > So how easy is it to get an A.M. radio license in Chile, Greece &=20 Spain? >=20 > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 Hi Jay!!! Yes, you're right. This is what I wrote in spanish. About the AM license, not easy at all in Chile today because we are=20 in the "renovation period" of the 300 and more stations (AM and FM=20 in all the country). So, the SUBTEL (chilean FCC) boys are so, so,=20 so busy. I guess in three or four years the situation will be=20 different, but remember here is Chile, the "pituto" kingdom. (We call "pituto" when we get something without a real merit to get=20 it, just a friend or a "good" influence with the authorities). Where in the web can I find the WKDK station? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 15 20:15:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80103 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2008 04:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2008 04:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2008 04:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2008 04:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.231] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2008 04:15:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:15:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.167 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BTNPI5rgHGczTccw8lTa8uyIVFSQ4v7pau_TenTbPJUZ2WYwZg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Well, at least at Greece, there is no option to get an AM license to=20 > broadcast legally... :(=20 Hi Sotiris!!! Why this is that way in Greece? Too much stations, today? A political=20 exceptional decision? Nobody wants to ear AM? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 08:15:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80204 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2008 16:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2008 16:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.48) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2008 16:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2008 16:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.246] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2008 16:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Dec 2008 16:15:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 649308.89859.bm@omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 96685 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2008 16:15:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.204.121 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2008 16:15:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BpZtMRIVM1mhNI70QTEnNRnqqIgLNrZIUSXC0gwEhgnGHdeazZJ.hcN0uKlHqsmcWVNqiIb9TrjMmztwohi1VHz.lPrMSB2OzYgxkzsQunsp8PksSBk7JiFSkQXxcfYzaT6jOShpzqZ9AfyhkrS6sHaXn54tMhwfNBRulkyYveKgFA7kiczdBLbFWjpWrrs0P4Wpgj1nfE3YFHSl562JQtF2fNT3w93y.khYiKxF X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1807F3E4-B0F3-44B5-9941-879F3B248F31@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:15:14 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=MXMgqzGE5fRoe4rNI5dH3k4jboZWBOqp6LneMF8EgG5E7m2VQA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 15, 2008, at 10:10 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > Where in the web can I find the WKDK station? www.wkdk.com Kevin Adamsville, TN From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 16 17:29:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2193 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 01:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 01:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 01:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.104] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081216192846002344700014.0) with SMTP id <20081216192846002344700014> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:28:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009501c95fe7$42f1d980$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <110004.22422.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 19:28:46 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non radio issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=dTJspy_sU5ftz9YCtmlyGbVIckjGHeOKPUVsZI4CNqurKWfuFxFr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hell, Jiminy Carter said it that way too. Never heard your political ilk get on HIS case for it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell NUKE-YOU-LER!!! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 18:08:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16133 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 02:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 02:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 02:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2008 02:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2008 02:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2008 02:08:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 179544.61928.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 12255 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 02:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.197.18 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 02:08:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fwYcdGYVM1mRhy16ezgcBEmQMZUhh0LNZAtsAPiILG.c1dfqWRoQzbL9q0vFNh9dqAEQexpp1PJ90WXqpDf6ke.gMCxGUQRULDqGlsC1dlNmlTAbrvdbgg.P2IThA3ghqVyYotCovA4fLtHhgzLCG8rfrcMtL28Xof66EQym1B5brd6AIk8NqadbqUsHTzKofxJ2ExcCYtzv2ba4c52iCSZhL14cFSQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <009501c95fe7$42f1d980$d503fea9@stodd> References: <110004.22422.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <009501c95fe7$42f1d980$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <748678EA-00A8-41D3-A975-AAFBF91397A7@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:08:15 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non radio issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=yW7WVGJa3wcC01bffb5CWlAITNhU9GGGlmVHpV6gGRIhpM8XCw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 16, 2008, at 7:28 PM, wrote: > Hell, Jiminy Carter said it that way too. Never heard your > political ilk get on HIS case for it. Ummmm.... Scott, ask Powell Way if I haven't jumped on Carter as well for his pronunciation of nuclear. Powell is not a leftie and you know I am but he can tell you. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Dec 16 18:19:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46420 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 02:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 02:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 02:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cbf.2e2f178b (65100) for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:18:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:18:36 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non radio issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ZkwxGArCVwmVxo6XH_MJzfWeCPSbMLa7W8AuMu6uA19cWRnHGmjbauUcs7cpQj82 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/15/08 6:13:15 PM Central Standard Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > Are there USA AM Stations with this kind of music today? > Yes. This year an oldies AM station took over the old WIL 1430 frequency in St. Louis. No AM Stereo and their fidelity is about the same as those 500 hits on 20 LP record sets you could order off XETRA in the old days for $20. A disappointment. Mike ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Dec 16 18:33:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59369 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 02:33:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 02:33:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 02:33:10 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bc3.3d4ff236 (65100) for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:32:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:32:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Blending Low Frequencies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vUizJcwTEw6nPDOFwg18CYYXB-qILItecyfw86jgTrM0b6SaHoZKQIkm8gwwVS8Z X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hestitate to start an on-topic thread which might detract from the current political discourse, but I have been doing some studies of spectral energy distribution in typical voice and contemporary music program content. I have been looking at the spectral content of the L-R component. This is what drives the phase modulation component of the AMS CQUAM signal which is the limiting modulation factor with typical stereo content. My data indicates that most of the spectral energy is concentrated below 160 hertz. However, content below 160 hertz psycho-acoustically contributes little to stereo spacial perception. That is why many speaker systems have a single channel combined subwoofer. It would appear if the L and R components were blended below 160 hertz, it would lessen the L-R component below this frequency allowing greater phase and thus overall modulation. Has someone already thought of this? Mike ************** Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 19:18:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9542 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 03:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 03:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 03:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2008 03:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2008 03:18:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:18:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.161 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Blending Low Frequencies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=M1sbDtiIuuGX0xMalT7ahmMSQlJ-DQCWpLb_zhscwTkEevP0oQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I hestitate to start an on-topic thread which might detract from=20 the current=20 > political discourse, but I have been doing some studies of=20 spectral energy=20 > distribution in typical voice and contemporary music program=20 content. >=20 > I have been looking at the spectral content of the L-R component.=20=20 This is=20 > what drives the phase modulation component of the AMS CQUAM signal=20 which is the=20 > limiting modulation factor with typical stereo content. My data=20 indicates=20 > that most of the spectral energy is concentrated below 160 hertz. >=20 > However, content below 160 hertz psycho-acoustically contributes=20 little to=20 > stereo spacial perception. That is why many speaker systems have=20 a single=20 > channel combined subwoofer. >=20 > It would appear if the L and R components were blended below 160=20 hertz, it=20 > would lessen the L-R component below this frequency allowing=20 greater phase and=20 > thus overall modulation. >=20 > Has someone already thought of this? >=20 > Mike >=20 Are you sure it happens in all kind of audio material? I mean, old=20 and new recordings. Whatever, the "official" stereo separation of most Motorola C-QUAM=20 decoder chips is bad below 500 HZ (see it in the FILES menu, at the=20 left menu of the Forum). I don't know why. There is no any technical=20 reason to this, but... it is!!! Many FM Stereo L-R audio is concentrated below 500 HZ, too. I'm not=20 sure it is ONLY a predeterminated blending effect or a system bad=20 separation. I guess there is a kind of "natural" audio effect (all=20 the "standard" fundamental musical notes are below 1000 HZ, the=20 others are only harmonics). A lot of microphones, studio and recording characteristics have=20 some "deficiencies" (about the stereo separation) in the low=20 frecuencies, because everybody knows those frecuencies aren't=20 important in the stereo separation. Old vinyls had a noticeable less separation in the low frecuencies. And so, and on. Just, my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 19:28:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74937 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 03:28:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 03:28:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 03:28:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2008 03:28:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2008 03:28:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:28:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.161 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Blending Low Frequencies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=QjfwkRm47Xpjy49m7aE7Zsvo3NHC2QBI3KsbnfIcSjRNhmpTBw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I hestitate to start an on-topic thread which might detract from=20 the current=20 > political discourse, but I have been doing some studies of=20 spectral energy=20 > distribution in typical voice and contemporary music program=20 content. >=20 > I have been looking at the spectral content of the L-R component.=20=20 This is=20 > what drives the phase modulation component of the AMS CQUAM signal=20 which is the=20 > limiting modulation factor with typical stereo content. My data=20 indicates=20 > that most of the spectral energy is concentrated below 160 hertz. >=20 > However, content below 160 hertz psycho-acoustically contributes=20 little to=20 > stereo spacial perception. That is why many speaker systems have=20 a single=20 > channel combined subwoofer. >=20 > It would appear if the L and R components were blended below 160=20 hertz, it=20 > would lessen the L-R component below this frequency allowing=20 greater phase and=20 > thus overall modulation. >=20 > Has someone already thought of this? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > Whatever, the ISB AM Stereo doesn't have this problem BECAUSE THERE=20 ISN'T A L-R SIGNAL ON IT!!! The only real and undeniable problem the ISB AM Stereo had, has and=20 I'm afraid it will be is the noticeable different kind of background=20 noise in the L and R channels (due to the different SideBands=20 spectrum). Of course, the "standard" natural background around our stereo space=20 is always different, too. So, it's... "tolerable". Just... my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 08:29:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6887 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 16:29:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 16:29:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 16:29:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40708 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2008 16:29:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: d8m6.IsVM1kdZpt3vHGhnXGu5oLKESX5KXat2zcOo3inUCpDdR.1V04mcDv_S1MjgD9lRWFS5AHUkMzaDvF3XUxgzwhA9Z3niCt9oD8ukTWoZUD.DLB60rWuMvrKmJusrtTVI0iGyj4ldLfQE4xgLcmuSnQgh9bAJkl260sB7Ob7SPaOIyOzOFLJA9Nf1V9P8RmfXT98TahPAGC.VBDrTTnz4ZROb4c4it0PRJRoG78HJgAa X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:29:35 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:29:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <42631.38787.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=l4n4Q1Qlx3iLw-8K_Xgny_AlZDmAbu4Po0CZ653hkvGri6226os0 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is anything @ CC126 in stereo in terms of the board to the xmtr.?=A0 If so,= how far along in the airchain does stereo go?=A0 When I was program direct= or @ WPEP, we were in stereo up to the board.=A0 Past that we had 1 15kc. t= elco line to the xmtr. & that was it.=A0 Why do A.M.s insist on using those= I'll never know.=A0 "Hey, let's blow $1,100/mo. on a telco line when we co= uld pay $6,000 for an S.T.L. & a few hundred more to get the license!"=A0 A= t WPEP we had an S.T.L. license: WLI832.=A0 Never used. I hear ya: Rhode Island is all "pituto."=A0 Not to get in to politics, but = it's for that reason that I'm soured on the dominant political party in thi= s state & will NEVER vote for them.=A0 They're all doing backroom deals & a= re so damn corrupt.=A0 But, the corruption is out in the open here.=A0 Ever= yone knows it's going on & it's kind of celebrated here.=A0 People keep vot= ing them in.=A0 But, again I'm not making this a political discussion, just= commenting on corruption not being limited to one area. Well I was curious about our non-U.S. friends' countries because it would b= e nice to add a few more stations & countries to the stations list.=A0 Howe= ver, I'm not sure if anyone would want to have a station.=A0 I know Scott &= I do want to own stations.=A0 I know Don & Bill already do own stations.= =A0 Unfortunately for the rest of us here in the U.S., we have to wait for = the F.C.C. to open a week-long filing window.=A0 They're very slow about th= is.=A0 The last one was a few years ago, ~2004. Also, here in the U.S. (Canada has them too but is less strict about it) we= have class C frequencies.=A0 Stations which operate on those frequencies i= n the contiguous U.S. are limited to 1kW unlimited.=A0 They're the so-calle= d "graveyard" frequencies as there are over 150 stations on each frequency.= =A0 Literally 1/5 of all A.M. stations are on one of these 6 frequencies.= =A0 They are 1230, 1240, 1340, 1400, 1450 & 1490.=A0 Canada observes those = too but has a 7th frequency I believe: 530.=A0 We do not use 530 in the U.S= . for regular broadcasting.=A0 It's just for travelers' information station= s (T.I.S.).=A0 Those types of stations broadcast traffic accidents, roadwor= k, airport information, et cetera.=A0 They're not even covered under Part 7= 3 of our rules.=A0 Instead they're found under Part 90.=A0 Any A.M. frequen= cy can be used for T.I.S. from 530-1700.=A0 I wish they'd open up 1710 for = that too. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Mon, 12/15/08, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 11:10 PM =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, JNR = wrote: > > Hey Juan, let me see if this is correct: "Very cordial greetings=20 from Chile to my brothers & sisters in the Motherland." >=20 > So how easy is it to get an A.M. radio license in Chile, Greece &=20 Spain? >=20 > 73, > Jay,N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 Hi Jay!!! Yes, you're right. This is what I wrote in spanish. About the AM license, not easy at all in Chile today because we are=20 in the "renovation period" of the 300 and more stations (AM and FM=20 in all the country). So, the SUBTEL (chilean FCC) boys are so, so,=20 so busy. I guess in three or four years the situation will be=20 different, but remember here is Chile, the "pituto" kingdom. (We call "pituto" when we get something without a real merit to get=20 it, just a friend or a "good" influence with the authorities) . Where in the web can I find the WKDK station? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 08:35:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84206 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 16:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 16:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 16:35:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37673 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2008 16:35:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 64u3M0kVM1mhBJI2lQXuO2fpn_aY8XrRZc0qVDNxojIdvxM1mLSDiW70IDpB8w42038Iw_WNeSgPfkNxYhCNSrsm2tuSgD6Gi8haRDRmH5AocK2DM.tSdOZf1N_FveXcwCc.Smji2.MQpa7Fp238DhrpfswSrNswYAQoPyhWpfuHmGX.iD2NCSWOdjD7UGgyRdpCGz8yBl8zrhB.gUjNPYoU.3oyeMGRClY3pqnxxXBNi1DY X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:35:30 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:35:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <406623.37588.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=UCyPh37zlb6vEu5l5Qb2rD4onIrl7DY7caU1kwZqSCIv_0keN_nW X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I still say Magnavox was the way to go but that's just *MY* humble opinion!= =A0 Hey Juan, did you say you had a ham/radioafficianado license?=A0 If you= did you could always xmit. ISB there, providing the Chilean laws allow it! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Tue, 12/16/08, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 10:28 PM =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I hestitate to start an on-topic thread which might detract from=20 the current=20 > political discourse, but I have been doing some studies of=20 spectral energy=20 > distribution in typical voice and contemporary music program=20 content. >=20 > I have been looking at the spectral content of the L-R component.=20=20 This is=20 > what drives the phase modulation component of the AMS CQUAM signal=20 which is the=20 > limiting modulation factor with typical stereo content. My data=20 indicates=20 > that most of the spectral energy is concentrated below 160 hertz. >=20 > However, content below 160 hertz psycho-acoustically contributes=20 little to=20 > stereo spacial perception. That is why many speaker systems have=20 a single=20 > channel combined subwoofer. >=20 > It would appear if the L and R components were blended below 160=20 hertz, it=20 > would lessen the L-R component below this frequency allowing=20 greater phase and=20 > thus overall modulation. >=20 > Has someone already thought of this? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > Whatever, the ISB AM Stereo doesn't have this problem BECAUSE THERE=20 ISN'T A L-R SIGNAL ON IT!!! The only real and undeniable problem the ISB AM Stereo had, has and=20 I'm afraid it will be is the noticeable different kind of background=20 noise in the L and R channels (due to the different SideBands=20 spectrum). Of course, the "standard" natural background around our stereo space=20 is always different, too. So, it's... "tolerable". Just... my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Dec 17 09:46:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11715 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 17:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 17:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 17:46:43 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cfb.49b120c0 (34919) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:45:56 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.148]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA034-5c5c49493ad0180; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:45:55 -0500 X-Received: from webmail-dx14 (webmail-dx14.sim.aol.com [205.188.104.88]) by smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB012-5c5c49493ad0180; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:45:52 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:45:52 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <406623.37588.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 40627-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by webmail-dx14.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.88) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:45:52 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB2E86706E1516-1150-640@webmail-dx14.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=XTTvC_tqXXhmW4GSzoTXRFZkVZN30jcUwcGbr4sarA-WsCUQxJZ3lxwzLSrYA8Gg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay, I did know Juan had a ham license.=C2=A0 However, transmitting a medium wav= e AM ISB signal from Chile to my home in L.A. (Lower Arkansas), might requi= re more power than he has at his disposal, at least presently. I have read the Hilliard paper on Motorola CQUAM.=C2=A0 Although it is prog= ram material dependent, I am not certain of his claim that the Motorola sys= tem typically generates fewer artifacts than its competitors.=C2=A0 Not to = be overly cynical, I am inclined to think that the Rube Goldberg CQUAM syst= em was a way of getting around its competitors' patents. Mike -----Original Message----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:35 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies I still say Magnavox was the way to go but that's just *MY* humble opinion!= =C2=A0 Hey Juan, did you say you had a ham/radioafficianado license?=C2=A0 = If you did you could always xmit. ISB there, providing the Chilean laws all= ow it! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Tue, 12/16/08, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 10:28 PM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I hestitate to start an on-topic thread which might detract from=20 the current=20 > political discourse, but I have been doing some studies of=20 spectral energy=20 > distribution in typical voice and contemporar y music program=20 content. >=20 > I have been looking at the spectral content of the L-R component.=20 This is=20 > what drives the phase modulation component of the AMS CQUAM signal=20 which is the=20 > limiting modulation factor with typical stereo content. My data=20 indicates=20 > that most of the spectral energy is concentrated below 160 hertz. >=20 > However, content below 160 hertz psycho-acoustically contributes=20 little to=20 > stereo spacial perception. That is why many speaker systems have=20 a single=20 > channel combined subwoofer. >=20 > It would appear if the L and R components were blended below 160=20 hertz, it=20 > would lessen the L-R component below this frequency allowing=20 greater phase and=20 > thus overall modulation. >=20 > Has someone already thought of this? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > Whatever, the ISB AM Stereo doesn't have this problem BECAUSE THERE=20 ISN'T A L-R SIGNAL ON IT!!! The only real and undeniable problem the ISB AM Stereo had, has and=20 I'm afraid it will be is the noticeable different kind of background=20 noise in the L and R channels (due to the different SideBands=20 spectrum). Of course, the "standard" natural background around our stereo space=20 is always different, too. So, it's... "tolerable". Just... my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love [Non-text portions of this message have been=20 removed] =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 10:18:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33388 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 18:18:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 18:18:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 18:18:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63508 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2008 18:18:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1.nPmI8VM1nSZIWjv9Bg5v7j6pNfbOsTMO_DEWQuuWKDvb.EAVecgRIMqzlqIP2.sqXzKXyuU9tu1xKgrq9qMytXx_gO7CZ8qek6I1FMjVZaGFD_fW4R6bHrsGWboyU5ysf_WF8uh2kXMxNwTLFWpSxXpJj7yH2aSqTUznFxCIi9rNyGWEfLax9arOo5z.dqNO.nML16QmV1FLyYu6FoMQ.lB9zBr76ErTaOegmI0WSTXAgXVLq1yjFZTDF.PMKRi_iF X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:18:38 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:18:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081202.090251.27336.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <852166.62231.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=eeXN7KJU5LhykGfZ3F7C1TyEk9dB4kiNYF6uy3IegKFSTMwgx2R_ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don, I've been mulling this over for 2 weeks now.=A0 I'm trying to think of reas= ons to add stereo to your stations but I don't know how many stations there= are & what formats they run.=A0 It sounds like there's more than 1 station= so I'll use the plural form.=A0 I'm publicly posting this so if anyone els= e has any idea I missed they can add on to this. There are 96 A.M. stereo stations left in the U.S. with ~165 worldwide.=A0 = We don't know what radios are being produced for the U.S. market (cars I me= an as I think the only home/work radios are the Meduci & Fanfare models).= =A0 I'd love to get that number back up to 100 or 300 like ~2000.=A0 The ow= ner of WJIB said that he would be returning stereo to the air once his exci= ter was fixed.=A0 So we've got @ least 1 more coming & if we can get WJR ba= ck then we're halfway back to 100. As I was born in 1979 I don't have the historic experience of this but have= read that F.M. was in dire straits in the '50s & into the '60s.=A0 That's = where A.M. stereo is now.=A0 The question is, does it continue to lose grou= nd or does it rebound?=A0 I believe in the latter.=A0 However, it's in the = promotion & programming.=A0 The promotion would very likely have to be givi= ng away radios like F.M. stations did back in the '50s & '60s.=A0 The progr= amming side is important because people will then WANT radios & converters.= =A0 Again, I don't know what your stations are airing for formats but if th= ere's a music station in there then the first benefit is that the music will be in stereo. Back to promotion: in April 2000, Chris Cuff & Scott Todd went to KCJJ/1630= to promote A.M. Stereo.=A0 Chris was doing then what Meduci is doing now.= =A0 He made some radios & gave them away.=A0 I dunno if KCJJ helped out in = expenses or anything like that.=A0 But it was something.=A0 I don't know if= anyone here has the $ to fly out there today to promote stereo & give radi= os away (unless they're already in the area & have the extra cash) but it w= as something.=A0 Even a promotional spot like what the IBOC people are doin= g would be something.=A0 There was an idea a while back about a promotional= spot using phase inversion or something which only stereo radios could dec= ode.=A0 It would be a donut along the lines of "the following 5 seconds are= being transmitted in stereo only.=A0 Mono radios will not hear it.=A0=A0 (= Congratulations, your radio is hearing us in stereo) If you didn't hear tha= t,we can help.=A0 Available at our station are A.M. stereo radios for sale.= " Et cetera.=A0 I think Bill sells some radios @ WNMB.=A0 They're the Japanese = models so the F.M. is weird but hey, all the better: make F.M. confusing.= =A0 One model, the SRF-A300, does 76-90 F.M. which is great if your F.M. co= mpetitor is on 92 or higher!=A0 For instance, if I ever get the $ I'd like = to buy this local daytimer & play country (not my music of choice) & the F.= M. stations are up around 98. There are currently 260 IBOC stations listed here: http://topazdesigns.com/= iboc/station-list.html. That includes part of Mexico along the border.=A0 That number is also the r= esult of big companies getting behind IBOC.=A0 Just 260 stations.=A0 After = all of that.=A0 We have 96 on no promotion & organization. I'll probably think of more later. Jay --- On Tue, 12/2/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:02 PM =20=20=20=20 Each of the sticks use Harris DX10 Transmitters. DRM or IBOC ca= n be added but there is no business justification to add either. Sadly ther= e is no audience for AM stereo at this time. (Sigh.) Don -- kevin redding wrote: > Don is a good guy, he just doesn't "get it" just like so many other=20=20 > republicans. If Don was here with me at my house, we could have a beer and a=20=20 burger and probably get along great. He just believes what he=20=20 believes and thats ok. I probably agree with him on about 90% of everything. I do know I=20=20 agree with him on one thing, AM radio needs to be saved and I wish=20=20 more stations were AM stereo. Don, I understand you have radio stations. If you do, tell me that=20=20 they are AM stereo. If its true, that makes you a good guy in my book=20=20 no matter what your political views are. Kevin =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 10:26:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15734 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 18:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 18:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 18:26:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15572 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2008 18:26:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Jour5DoVM1mqUUozlXEAmgT2bNETcV_8ouWth0wbqhRD.F5tsuXklW_ldv8hIo570Zy7TUJkbW2R9LXltOcve1LLkJhrSzccwykvuEWLIDdZAz6lYlKkyxsG10TVwK7TTKNol8XnioD6f1JuQf7z19AIwoWwcuil_HhSIKWdjm0fAayLlJzoSKj5mGT5VRy6dEOKYGp3c5my1lKzHHrW14NXMvu85wcEH.mrFIM6HBUTlmXs X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:26:04 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:26:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB2E86706E1516-1150-640@webmail-dx14.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <669208.13963.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=zT10LL1UbWRVvX9fSol6kHLh2Nfh39NpF4iPj3jTCoTsOkycNZUy X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do we have that paper in our archives list or is there somewhere to get it? I'm going on the recordings that were posted years ago here.=A0 I think Kev= in built Part 15 xmtrs & send audio through those.=A0 Magnavox came out sou= nding the best followed by C-QuAM.=A0 As I remember, ISB was the worst-soun= ding. I dunno how much power is allowed in Chile.=A0 If there's a good antenna se= tup on both ends then that'd help. Jay --- On Wed, 12/17/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 12:45 PM =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 Jay, I did know Juan had a ham license.=A0 However, transmitting a medium wave A= M ISB signal from Chile to my home in L.A. (Lower Arkansas), might require = more power than he has at his disposal, at least presently. I have read the Hilliard paper on Motorola CQUAM.=A0 Although it is program= material dependent, I am not certain of his claim that the Motorola system= typically generates fewer artifacts than its competitors.=A0 Not to be ove= rly cynical, I am inclined to think that the Rube Goldberg CQUAM system was= a way of getting around its competitors' patents. Mike -----Original Message----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:35 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies I still say Magnavox was the way to go but that's just *MY* humble opinion!= =A0 Hey Juan, did you say you had a ham/radioafficianad o license?=A0 If yo= u did you could always xmit. ISB there, providing the Chilean laws allow it= ! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 --- On Tue, 12/16/08, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 10:28 PM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I hestitate to start an on-topic thread which might detract from=20 the current=20 > political discourse, but I have been doing some studies of=20 spectral energy=20 > distribution in typical voice and contemporar y music program=20 content. >=20 > I have been looking at the spectral content of the L-R component.=20 This is=20 > what drives the phase modulation component of the AMS CQUAM signal=20 which is the=20 > limiting modulation factor with typical stereo content. My data=20 indicates=20 > that most of the spectral energy is concentrated below 160 hertz. >=20 > However, content below 160 hertz psycho-acoustically contributes=20 little to=20 > stereo spacial perception. That is why many speaker systems have=20 a single=20 > channel combined subwoofer. >=20 > It would appear if the L and R components were blended below 160=20 hertz, it=20 > would lessen the L-R component below this frequency allowing=20 greater phase and=20 > thus overall modulation. >=20 > Has someone already thought of this? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > Whatever, the ISB AM Stereo doesn't have this problem BECAUSE THERE=20 ISN'T A L-R SIGNAL ON IT!!! The only real and undeniable problem the ISB AM Stereo had, has and=20 I'm afraid it will be is the noticeable different kind of background=20 noise in the L and R channels (due to the different SideBands=20 spectrum). Of course, the "standard" natural background around our stereo space=20 is always different, too. So, it's... "tolerable". Just... my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love [Non-text portions of this message have been=20 removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Dec 17 13:11:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3336 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 21:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 21:11:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 21:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d2a.3cf4cd12 (34917) for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:11:02 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.153]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA032-5c3749496add291; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:11:01 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MY10 (webmail-my10.sim.aol.com [64.12.108.21]) by smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB025-5c3749496add291; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:10:53 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:10:53 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <852166.62231.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 40627-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MY10.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.21) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:10:53 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB2EA314A9F111-B50-106E@WEBMAIL-MY10.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ZwovRs0Amz8SDykcoi49p3LsaDM52X52RYtH2a5RCaQBoY16yEEAJr1TlILo4rRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KSTL, a peanut whistle Gospel station in St. Louis, runs AMS on 690 khz (day).? Unfortunately, they seem to feed mono program material into it.? The stereo indicator comes up, but there doesn't seem to be any stereo content.? Their typical program material seems to be Reverend Wright (at his best) style preachers screaming at the top of their lungs.? I think their voice has a greater coverage footprint than KSTL. St. Louis has a new Oldies AM station which may have potential.? AM Stereo sounds better even on mono radios.? KCJJ sounds great on my 1941 Zenith console radio. I believe AM Stereo will undergo a resurgence once music returns to AM.? The nice thing about a Top 40 format, as opposed to Talk Radio, is the Fairness Doctrine doesn't require the station to play boths sides of each record. Mike -----Original Message----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:18 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok Don, I've been mulling this over for 2 weeks now.? I'm trying to think of reasons to add stereo to your stations but I don't know how many stations there are & what formats they run.? It sounds like there's more than 1 station so I'll use the plural form.? I'm publicly posting this so if anyone else has any idea I missed they can add on to this. There are 96 A.M. stereo stations left in the U.S. with ~165 worldwide.? We don't know what radios are being produced for the U.S. market (cars I mean as I think the only home/work radios are the Meduci & Fanfare models).? I'd love to get that number back up to 100 or 300 like ~2000.? The owner of WJIB said that he would be returning stereo to the air once his exciter was fixed.? So we've got @ least 1 more coming & if we can get WJR back then we're halfway back to 100. As I was born in 1979 I don't have the historic experience of this but have read that F.M. was in dire straits in the '50s & into the '60s.? That's where A.M. stereo is now.? The question is, does it continue to lose ground or does it rebound?? I believe in the latter.? However, it's in the promotion & programming.? The promotion would very likely have to be giving away radios like F.M. stations did back in the '50s & '60s.? The programming side is important because people will then WANT radios & converters.? Again, I don't know what your stations are airing for formats but if there's a music station in there then the first benefit is that the music will be in stereo. Back to promotion: in April 2000, Chris Cuff & Scott Todd went to KCJJ/1630 to promote A.M. Stereo.? Chris was doing then what Meduci is doing now.? He made some radios & gave them away.? I dunno if KCJJ helped out in expenses or anything like that.? But it was something.? I don't know if anyone here has the $ to fly out there today to promote stereo & give radios away (unless they're already in the area & have the extra cash) but it was something.? Even a promotional spot like what the IBOC people are doing would be something.? There was an idea a while back about a promotional spot using phase inversion or something which only stereo radios could decode.? It would be a donut along the lines of "the following 5 seconds are being transmitted in stereo only.? Mono radios will not hear it.?? (Congratulations, your radio is hearing us in stereo) If you didn't hear that,we can help.? Available at our station are A.M. stereo radios for sale." Et cetera.? I think Bill sells some radios @ WNMB.? They're the Japanese models so the F.M. is weird but hey, all the better: make F.M. confusing.? One model, the SRF-A300, does 76-90 F.M. which is great if your F.M. competitor is on 92 or higher!? For instance, if I ever get the $ I'd like to buy this local daytimer & play country (not my music of choice) & the F.M. stations are up around 98. There are currently 260 IBOC stations listed here: http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html. That includes part of Mexico along the border.? That number is also the result of big companies getting behind IBOC.? Just 260 stations.? After all of that.? We have 96 on no promotion & organization. I'll probably think of more later. Jay --- On Tue, 12/2/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:02 PM Each of the sticks use Harris DX10 Transmitters. DRM or IBOC can be added but there is no business justification to add either. Sadly there is no audience for AM stereo at this time. (Sigh.) Don -- kevin redding wrote: > Don is a good guy, he just doesn't "get it" just like so many other > republicans. If Don was here with me at my house, we could have a beer and a burger and probably get along great. He just believes what he believes and thats ok. I probably agree with him on about 90% of everything. I do know I agree with him on one thing, AM radio needs to be saved and I wish more stations were AM stereo. Don, I understand you have radio stations. If you do, tell me that they are AM stereo. If its true, that makes you a good guy in my book no matter what your political views are. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 14:03:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15018 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 22:03:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 22:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 22:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2008 22:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.83] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2008 22:03:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:03:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42631.38787.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.187 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=8ieCoGYsfKqPjWO1cNjGO4KAOyIjRPTwGTKiW8G5aSwbtoY8yQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Is anything @ CC126 in stereo in terms of the board to the xmtr.?=A0=20 If so, how far along in the airchain does stereo go?=A0 When I was=20 program director @ WPEP, we were in stereo up to the board.=A0 Past=20 that we had 1 15kc. telco line to the xmtr. & that was it.=A0 Why do=20 A.M.s insist on using those I'll never know.=A0 "Hey, let's blow=20 $1,100/mo. on a telco line when we could pay $6,000 for an S.T.L. &=20 a few hundred more to get the license!"=A0 At WPEP we had an S.T.L.=20 license: WLI832.=A0 Never used. >=20 > I hear ya: Rhode Island is all "pituto."=A0 Not to get in to=20 politics, but it's for that reason that I'm soured on the dominant=20 political party in this state & will NEVER vote for them.=A0 They're=20 all doing backroom deals & are so damn corrupt.=A0 But, the corruption=20 is out in the open here.=A0 Everyone knows it's going on & it's kind=20 of celebrated here.=A0 People keep voting them in.=A0 But, again I'm not=20 making this a political discussion, just commenting on corruption=20 not being limited to one area. >=20 > Well I was curious about our non-U.S. friends' countries because=20 it would be nice to add a few more stations & countries to the=20 stations list.=A0 However, I'm not sure if anyone would want to have a=20 station.=A0 I know Scott & I do want to own stations.=A0 I know Don &=20 Bill already do own stations.=A0 Unfortunately for the rest of us here=20 in the U.S., we have to wait for the F.C.C. to open a week-long=20 filing window.=A0 They're very slow about this.=A0 The last one was a=20 few years ago, ~2004. >=20 > Also, here in the U.S. (Canada has them too but is less strict=20 about it) we have class C frequencies.=A0 Stations which operate on=20 those frequencies in the contiguous U.S. are limited to 1kW=20 unlimited.=A0 They're the so-called "graveyard" frequencies as there=20 are over 150 stations on each frequency.=A0 Literally 1/5 of all A.M.=20 stations are on one of these 6 frequencies.=A0 They are 1230, 1240,=20 1340, 1400, 1450 & 1490.=A0 Canada observes those too but has a 7th=20 frequency I believe: 530.=A0 We do not use 530 in the U.S. for regular=20 broadcasting.=A0 It's just for travelers' information stations=20 (T.I.S.).=A0 Those types of stations broadcast traffic accidents,=20 roadwork, airport information, et cetera.=A0 They're not even covered=20 under Part 73 of our rules.=A0 Instead they're found under Part 90.=A0=20 Any A.M. frequency can be used for T.I.S. from 530-1700.=A0 I wish=20 they'd open up 1710 for that too. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 Unfortunately, "my" station isn't stereo, YET. I hope next year. We don't use Telco lines. We have a Marti STL (mono), old but so=20 good. But I know there is a lot of stations here using lines because=20 they are relative close to their transmitter sites (less than 2=20 kilometers). Whatever, I don't like the lines background noise. About the political world, Do you see some corruption? Where? Have=20 you read the papers? I've never read something like "corruption"=20 Yes, I've seen some inexplicable public money disappearances. Yes,=20 I've seen some inexplicable radio license changes (or upgrades).=20 Yes, I've seen some injustices with some people (specially when they=20 don't agree with the goverments). But, it isn't corruption!!! It is=20 just... politics, don't you see? I need one dollar from any people of all over the world to get the=20 largest available limousine, to put inside it all the world=20 politicians. Then, we just to get to put the car straight into the=20 HIGHWAY TO HELL and all our problems will dissapear!!! Just my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 14:08:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65721 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 22:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 22:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 22:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2008 22:08:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.88] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2008 22:08:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:08:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <406623.37588.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.187 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=GxYNvU2WJFNq_eJAPPsdLuFmB1mR9vsalmoUcyE91Zqch1GIrg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I still say Magnavox was the way to go but that's just *MY* humble=20 opinion!=A0 Hey Juan, did you say you had a ham/radioafficianado=20 license?=A0 If you did you could always xmit. ISB there, providing the=20 Chilean laws allow it! >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 Yes sir, I have the license CE4LDJ. But I just have my VHF devices=20 (FM only) today. I had to sell my HF set due to some "economics"=20 problems, 8 years ago. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 14:13:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75026 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 22:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 22:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 22:13:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11912 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2008 22:13:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: OQtGYeEVM1nKfawii.wVNYE4jflpC.AD0TJvP7JYtPu0Fipyg05Otlw84jnKAuQzpfdTw.m7uRaZbmHV2JOVLzXqpwskWSdFzIKx4O42rGn8bbjlJ46l9whFxMDBsfcBl8H8GwCTUsqqZjQmHnl0pnU_zwTq2ejLoSLRa9_UcKUDDQ-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:13:49 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:13:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <687518.11737.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Mono Mix AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=hgTZjp1A9N_YkREW2qb4lLz8BB2_Hoq_0Vea3Tu22YBMSBz99wWgTjw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio MW wrote: "...It would appear if the L and R components were blended below 160 hertz, it would lessen the L-R component below this frequency allowing greater phase and thus overall modulation. Has someone already thought of this?..." Yep, IIRC, the boys at Harris cut all below 200Hz into mono since bass has little to do with stereo imaging; so I think it was the original Harris AM stereo system that mixed eveything under 200Hz into mono - and CKLW was smokin' on their Harris AMS system! J From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 14:24:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8960 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2008 22:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2008 22:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2008 22:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2008 22:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.228] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2008 22:24:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:24:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <669208.13963.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.187 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=FS6qlab3Yjv5-Di_apuGfFYuGzJ7iEExq7IKN4JBcfB3tCbqsA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Do we have that paper in our archives list or is there somewhere=20 to get it? >=20 > I'm going on the recordings that were posted years ago here.=A0 I=20 think Kevin built Part 15 xmtrs & send audio through those.=A0=20 Magnavox came out sounding the best followed by C-QuAM.=A0 As I=20 remember, ISB was the worst-sounding. >=20 > I dunno how much power is allowed in Chile.=A0 If there's a good=20 antenna setup on both ends then that'd help. >=20 > Jay There isn't any max power limitation here, but the max power IN USE=20 here is 50 KW (just two stations in Santiago). It isn't a law=20 problem, it is a money problem: Who pays the bill? The electric=20 power is not a cheap thing here. Whatever, I need more than 1.000.000 WATTS and a very good=20 directional aerial to reach USA in MW!!! We are separated by more=20 than 8.500 miles!!! When I had my HF set (Kenwood TS-430S and TS-130S), with a 3=20 elements Yagi aerial I could talk with someone in Monte Morelos,=20 Mexico, in 15 meters band, just one time. It was my longest DX=20 successful moment. I experimented with ISB in 40 meters, of course it was just a HAM=20 radio experience (not quality audio), but it worked so good. About the papers, I guess you're talking about the Motorola C-QUAM=20 decoding chips. If this is teh case, the technical specs are in the=20 Files Menu (the left menu of the forum). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 16:20:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49293 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 00:20:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 00:20:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 00:20:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33445 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2008 00:20:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: i0yJXkIVM1mBTeBRKBDi0NVcBWUg7NBxF7MyvHjDtKZY3NyEBV.wRjyxNlpwgJfqguDUkI.Mh4rxqhTZRUwpoBM2SDSsjVqheQuoNxT.MEbPM8fzaXmc7Gy_gdkGj1eDC.cYgAFhcSQD.EjVa69EDLlr.UCXLOUW2Wv4BHPvTmWT4_m8j_kml4pjt.Qk4EmQLzKLB.jYVs127WTqQrarcXpuSjl.HFo- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:20:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:20:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <406623.37588.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <791640.33329.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=-8hTEklyVoD1v8AVx-0PrjIV6RnT0b6w25e92hFIEcL63g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 "Maggie" gets my vote, too! G --- On Wed, 12/17/08, JNR wrote: > From: JNR > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 11:35 AM > I still say Magnavox was the way to go but that's just > *MY* humble opinion!=A0 Hey Juan, did you say you had a > ham/radioafficianado license?=A0 If you did you could always > xmit. ISB there, providing the Chilean laws allow it! >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/16/08, jotape1960 > wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 10:28 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, > mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > I hestitate to start an on-topic thread which might > detract from=20 >=20 > the current=20 >=20 > > political discourse, but I have been doing some > studies of=20 >=20 > spectral energy=20 >=20 > > distribution in typical voice and contemporary music > program=20 >=20 > content. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > I have been looking at the spectral content of the L-R > component.=20=20 >=20 > This is=20 >=20 > > what drives the phase modulation component of the AMS > CQUAM signal=20 >=20 > which is the=20 >=20 > > limiting modulation factor with typical stereo > content. My data=20 >=20 > indicates=20 >=20 > > that most of the spectral energy is concentrated below > 160 hertz. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > However, content below 160 hertz psycho-acoustically > contributes=20 >=20 > little to=20 >=20 > > stereo spacial perception. That is why many speaker > systems have=20 >=20 > a single=20 >=20 > > channel combined subwoofer. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > It would appear if the L and R components were blended > below 160=20 >=20 > hertz, it=20 >=20 > > would lessen the L-R component below this frequency > allowing=20 >=20 > greater phase and=20 >=20 > > thus overall modulation. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Has someone already thought of this? >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Mike >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Whatever, the ISB AM Stereo doesn't have this problem > BECAUSE THERE=20 >=20 > ISN'T A L-R SIGNAL ON IT!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > The only real and undeniable problem the ISB AM Stereo had, > has and=20 >=20 > I'm afraid it will be is the noticeable different kind > of background=20 >=20 > noise in the L and R channels (due to the different > SideBands=20 >=20 > spectrum). >=20 >=20 >=20 > Of course, the "standard" natural background > around our stereo space=20 >=20 > is always different, too. So, it's... > "tolerable". >=20 >=20 >=20 > Just... my humble opinion. >=20 >=20 >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. >=20 > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 16:22:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38240 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 00:22:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 00:22:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 00:22:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37416 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2008 00:22:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BrYmXpUVM1klB4IroXbwHCVWjN7OwNJ_GEawgTQ6k4ndYwvcPFBb46IKObRqtVRksbgK5gXKRK4eKEByhs3bF2LzuS.htPBTtEOEh5gP4RNF9OwVYyHWQYn.AOWZuE71QYFkFFsTPJ5gN.Fk0LWegmG3s1zy9xTQxX5qqDcf3rMDr3Ot9EN9U.ysUiZ1pNubyjNUbqHrXnAcXSsbKE4U_66nZGWT X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:22:38 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:22:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB2E86706E1516-1150-640@webmail-dx14.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <109949.37249.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=HDJrYK_OtBMcjOppxcMGkHQuXCB0uXH2EWSpIk7jpCN3tQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 It also had a little something to do with the fact that one of it's invento= rs, Mr. Parker, was also instrumental in the NTSC color system... he had "I" and "Q" in his blood! G --- On Wed, 12/17/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 12:45 PM > Jay, >=20 >=20 >=20 > I did know Juan had a ham license.=A0 However, transmitting > a medium wave AM ISB signal from Chile to my home in L.A. > (Lower Arkansas), might require more power than he has at > his disposal, at least presently. >=20 > I have read the Hilliard paper on Motorola CQUAM.=A0 > Although it is program material dependent, I am not certain > of his claim that the Motorola system typically generates > fewer artifacts than its competitors.=A0 Not to be overly > cynical, I am inclined to think that the Rube Goldberg CQUAM > system was a way of getting around its competitors' > patents. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: JNR > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:35 am > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I still say Magnavox was the way to go but that's just > *MY* humble opinion!=A0 Hey Juan, did you say you had a > ham/radioafficianado license?=A0 If you did you could always > xmit. ISB there, providing the Chilean laws allow it! >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 >=20 > --- On Tue, 12/16/08, jotape1960 > wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Blending Low Frequencies > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 10:28 PM >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > I hestitate to start an on-topic thread which might > detract from=20 >=20 > the current=20 >=20 > > political discourse, but I have been doing some > studies of=20 >=20 > spectral energy=20 >=20 > > distribution in typical voice and contemporar > y music program=20 >=20 > content. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > I have been looking at the spectral content of the L-R > component.=20 >=20 > This is=20 >=20 > > what drives the phase modulation component of the AMS > CQUAM signal=20 >=20 > which is the=20 >=20 > > limiting modulation factor with typical stereo > content. My data=20 >=20 > indicates=20 >=20 > > that most of the spectral energy is concentrated below > 160 hertz. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > However, content below 160 hertz psycho-acoustically > contributes=20 >=20 > little to=20 >=20 > > stereo spacial perception. That is why many speaker > systems have=20 >=20 > a single=20 >=20 > > channel combined subwoofer. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > It would appear if the L and R components were blended > below 160=20 >=20 > hertz, it=20 >=20 > > would lessen the L-R component below this frequency > allowing=20 >=20 > greater phase and=20 >=20 > > thus overall modulation. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Has someone already thought of this? >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Mike >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 > Whatever, the ISB AM Stereo doesn't have this problem > BECAUSE THERE=20 >=20 > ISN'T A L-R SIGNAL ON IT!!! >=20 > The only real and undeniable problem the ISB AM Stereo had, > has and=20 >=20 > I'm afraid it will be is the noticeable different kind > of background=20 >=20 > noise in the L and R channels (due to the different > SideBands=20 >=20 > spectrum). >=20 > Of course, the "standard" natural background > around our stereo space=20 >=20 > is always different, too. So, it's... > "tolerable". >=20 > Just... my humble opinion. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. >=20 > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been=20 > removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 16:29:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86016 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 00:29:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 00:29:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 00:29:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41752 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2008 00:29:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UVHNymwVM1lDa1kDnMvaR.0xb69uS9u9MfE1qza5o9jipPZTiRsKIPsWTnNgEDi_1c1DSqcOB_jw5IduL8f6WqYX.QFLrcCDSKaJtQj_DXnqoeEs4HJr688j9mEhJH66GQLxSt9kcp3TTSdnJ5u4P7xdhpiEqktNo8BNJ_RFRFNZ25q6txktxrw7XXKBUPy3eOmgnKL5k90VdpLehG1PlUslHxYG X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:29:19 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:29:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <137200.41485.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Blending Low Frequencies X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tO9ZT7jEMgSakHQE_TZzEx0Hb6uRIoSQIAoy8PCOsI1T5g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Mike, at least one system REQUIRED blending the lows...Harris. They had a "wandering" pilot tone in the original design, that was used to tell the receiver how far apart to phase the two signals, based on stereo separation. Seems to me it is a great idea for ANY stereo system, even FM, because, as you point out, there is very little directional sense at such low frequencies. The human ears are too close together to develop much of a phase difference from bass notes. Anything that can be removed without being missed, and can save energy or bandwidth, SHOULD be removed, I would think. Just my $0.02, but if I ever get back on the air in stereo (hopefully in PMX!), I will surely have a big inductor bridging the left and right audio leads from the board. George --- On Tue, 12/16/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: {AMSF} Blending Low Frequencies > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 9:32 PM > I hestitate to start an on-topic thread which might detract > from the current > political discourse, but I have been doing some studies of > spectral energy > distribution in typical voice and contemporary music > program content. > > I have been looking at the spectral content of the L-R > component. This is > what drives the phase modulation component of the AMS CQUAM > signal which is the > limiting modulation factor with typical stereo content. My > data indicates > that most of the spectral energy is concentrated below 160 > hertz. > > However, content below 160 hertz psycho-acoustically > contributes little to > stereo spacial perception. That is why many speaker > systems have a single > channel combined subwoofer. > > It would appear if the L and R components were blended > below 160 hertz, it > would lessen the L-R component below this frequency > allowing greater phase and > thus overall modulation. > > Has someone already thought of this? > > Mike > > > ************** > Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& > icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 16:31:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54674 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 00:31:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 00:31:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 00:31:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11370 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2008 00:31:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7SjFXBQVM1lR32Dh.THWkLZxY5tBrmU2vUkv3MavZyTDCaB_ktaE2Z1sbj2Fuxuw1d5xkf31pcVTn7k1I5BRVk8RGchCIkz9Tlr4h44xv0roxKQzNsKiUubyXN3S4nsqr2PCWUmK3K4xM2BB95PWxup055gh06S0xCQ1MWjyZ8vgT01Lht7NXHn_XHdl.lZg8htqKDeQBfvwQONwznNemkoR11Pl X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:31:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:31:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB2EA314A9F111-B50-106E@WEBMAIL-MY10.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <329221.11001.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=-4uX331J841XhQllGj1IAbaonZ_U68HugzsHFPB371Do3g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Reverend Wright...is that the "RIGHT Reverend Wright"? (say AMEN somebody!) G --- On Wed, 12/17/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 4:10 PM > KSTL, a peanut whistle Gospel station in St. Louis, runs AMS > on 690 khz (day).? Unfortunately, they seem to feed mono > program material into it.? The stereo indicator comes up, > but there doesn't seem to be any stereo content.? Their > typical program material seems to be Reverend Wright (at his > best) style preachers screaming at the top of their lungs.? > I think their voice has a greater coverage footprint than > KSTL. > > St. Louis has a new Oldies AM station which may have > potential.? AM Stereo sounds better even on mono radios.? > KCJJ sounds great on my 1941 Zenith console radio. > > I believe AM Stereo will undergo a resurgence once music > returns to AM.? The nice thing about a Top 40 format, as > opposed to Talk Radio, is the Fairness Doctrine doesn't > require the station to play boths sides of each record. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: JNR > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:18 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok > > > > > > > Don, > > I've been mulling this over for 2 weeks now.? I'm > trying to think of reasons to add stereo to your stations > but I don't know how many stations there are & what > formats they run.? It sounds like there's more than 1 > station so I'll use the plural form.? I'm publicly > posting this so if anyone else has any idea I missed they > can add on to this. > > There are 96 A.M. stereo stations left in the U.S. with > ~165 worldwide.? We don't know what radios are being > produced for the U.S. market (cars I mean as I think the > only home/work radios are the Meduci & Fanfare models).? > I'd love to get that number back up to 100 or 300 like > ~2000.? The owner of WJIB said that he would be returning > stereo to the air once his exciter was fixed.? So we've > got @ least 1 more coming & if we can get WJR back then > we're halfway back to 100. > > As I was born in 1979 I don't have the historic > experience of this but have read that F.M. was in dire > straits in the '50s & into the '60s.? That's > where A.M. stereo is now.? The question is, does it continue > to lose ground or does it rebound?? I believe in the > latter.? However, it's in the promotion & > programming.? The promotion would very likely have to be > giving away radios like F.M. stations did back in the > '50s & '60s.? The programming side is important > because people will then WANT radios & converters.? > Again, I don't know what your stations are airing for > formats but if there's a music station in there then the > first benefit > is that the music will be in stereo. > > Back to promotion: in April 2000, Chris Cuff & Scott > Todd went to KCJJ/1630 to promote A.M. Stereo.? Chris was > doing then what Meduci is doing now.? He made some radios > & gave them away.? I dunno if KCJJ helped out in > expenses or anything like that.? But it was something.? I > don't know if anyone here has the $ to fly out there > today to promote stereo & give radios away (unless > they're already in the area & have the extra cash) > but it was something.? Even a promotional spot like what the > IBOC people are doing would be something.? There was an idea > a while back about a promotional spot using phase inversion > or something which only stereo radios could decode.? It > would be a donut along the lines of "the following 5 > seconds are being transmitted in stereo only.? Mono radios > will not hear it.?? (Congratulations, your radio is hearing > us in stereo) If you didn't hear that,we can help.? > Available at our station are A.M. stereo radios for > sale." Et > cetera.? I think Bill sells some radios @ WNMB.? > They're the Japanese models so the F.M. is weird but > hey, all the better: make F.M. confusing.? One model, the > SRF-A300, does 76-90 F.M. which is great if your F.M. > competitor is on 92 or higher!? For instance, if I ever get > the $ I'd like to buy this local daytimer & play > country (not my music of choice) & the F.M. stations are > up around 98. > > There are currently 260 IBOC stations listed here: > http://topazdesigns.com/iboc/station-list.html. > That includes part of Mexico along the border.? That number > is also the result of big companies getting behind IBOC.? > Just 260 stations.? After all of that.? We have 96 on no > promotion & organization. > > I'll probably think of more later. > > Jay > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:02 PM > > Each of the sticks use Harris DX10 Transmitters. DRM or > IBOC can be added but there is no business justification to > add either. Sadly there is no audience for AM stereo at this > time. (Sigh.) > > Don > > -- kevin redding wrote: > > > Don is a good guy, he just doesn't "get > it" just like so many other > > > republicans. > > If Don was here with me at my house, we could have a beer > and a > > burger and probably get along great. He just believes what > he > > believes and thats ok. > > I probably agree with him on about 90% of everything. I do > know I > > agree with him on one thing, AM radio needs to be saved and > I wish > > more stations were AM stereo. > > Don, I understand you have radio stations. If you do, tell > me that > > they are AM stereo. If its true, that makes you a good guy > in my book > > no matter what your political views are. > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Dec 17 18:03:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17449 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 02:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 02:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 02:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEWVM38A69VFLS for (sender ); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:02:38 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9dKUpsXlAl3O6s893lIlBQ= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N4NLBTV4; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:02:17 PST X-Received: from [99.129.209.120] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:01:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:01:50 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081217.180150.15543.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:2910041980 X-MAIL-INFO:45230a1b4723bf470303230efaa31e0b737af36bee5f1e277a2e1eebce9beea3fe0f376f2f6e031b23237e23671f3ef72ffb4e4e97 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=iGd7gYngjuQP1BjgWcnDwFFknhR5kywma56KDmKNXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Another holding company is interested in buying our holding company. There = are a dozen AMs in our group and any interested buyers have never shown any= interest in DRM or IBOC. Sadly this is not of interest to the operators th= at are making money. To make matters worse many operators are experiencing = a huge drop in revenue and are dumping GMs and PDs and local talent like th= ey have leprosy. Additionally with the Obama White House, where they=92re g= oing to be looking harder at ownership concentration levels is causing ulce= rs to many operators. As you can understand AM Stereo is very far from he t= op of the things to do list.=20 My first stereo experience was a simulcasting AM/FM where we put the left c= hannel on the AM Carrier and the right channel on the FM. That was back in = the 50s and it worked great for those with two receivers. Of course it didn't last long. Don =20=20=20 -- JNR wrote: Don, I've been mulling this over for 2 weeks now.=A0 I'm trying to think of reas= ons to add stereo to your stations but I don't know how many stations there= are & what formats they run.=A0 It sounds like there's more than 1 station= so I'll use the plural form.=A0 I'm publicly posting this so if anyone els= e has any idea I missed they can add on to this. There are 96 A.M. stereo stations left in the U.S. with ~165 worldwide.=A0 = We don't know what radios are being produced for the U.S. market (cars I me= an as I think the only home/work radios are the Meduci & Fanfare models).= =A0 I'd love to get that number back up to 100 or 300 like ~2000.=A0 The ow= ner of WJIB said that he would be returning stereo to the air once his exci= ter was fixed.=A0 So we've got @ least 1 more coming & if we can get WJR ba= ck then we're halfway back to 100. As I was born in 1979 I don't have the historic experience of this but have= read that F.M. was in dire straits in the '50s & into the '60s.=A0 That's = where A.M. stereo is now.=A0 The question is, does it continue to lose grou= nd or does it rebound?=A0 I believe in the latter.=A0 However, it's in the = promotion & programming.=A0 The promotion would very likely have to be givi= ng away radios like F.M. stations did back in the '50s & '60s.=A0 The progr= amming side is important because people will then WANT radios & converters.= =A0 Again, I don't know what your stations are airing for formats but if th= ere's a music station in there then the first benefit is that the music will be in stereo. Back to promotion: in April 2000, Chris Cuff & Scott Todd went to KCJJ/1630= to promote A.M. Stereo.=A0 Chris was doing then what Meduci is doing now.= =A0 He made some radios & gave them away.=A0 I dunno if KCJJ helped out in = expenses or anything like that.=A0 But it was something.=A0 I don't know if= anyone here has the $ to fly out there today to promote stereo & give radi= os away (unless they're already in the area & have the extra cash) but it w= as something.=A0 Even a promotional spot like what the IBOC people are doin= g would be something.=A0 There was an idea a while back about a promotional= spot using phase inversion or something which only stereo radios could dec= ode.=A0 It would be a donut along the lines of "the following 5 seconds are= being transmitted in stereo only.=A0 Mono radios will not hear it.=A0=A0 (= Congratulations, your radio is hearing us in stereo) If you didn't hear tha= t,we can help.=A0 Available at our station are A.M. stereo radios for sale.= " Et cetera.=A0 I think Bill sells some radios @ WNMB.=A0 They're the Japanese = models so the F.M. is weird but hey, all the better: make F.M. confusing.= =A0 One model, the SRF-A300, does 76-90 F.M. which is great if your F.M. co= mpetitor is on 92 or higher!=A0 For instance, if I ever get the $ I'd like = to buy this local daytimer & play country (not my music of choice) & the F.= M. stations are up around 98. There are currently 260 IBOC stations listed here: http://topazdesigns.com/= iboc/station-list.html. That includes part of Mexico along the border.=A0 That number is also the r= esult of big companies getting behind IBOC.=A0 Just 260 stations.=A0 After = all of that.=A0 We have 96 on no promotion & organization. I'll probably think of more later. Jay --- On Tue, 12/2/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:02 PM =20=20=20=20 Each of the sticks use Harris DX10 Transmitters. DRM or IBOC ca= n be added but there is no business justification to add either. Sadly ther= e is no audience for AM stereo at this time. (Sigh.) Don From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 19:06:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39224 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 03:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 03:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 03:06:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72321 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2008 03:06:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Hjh4sRQVM1lBv51xzfgOTYsBxfU3Y6AH9jkwIkLz8TbrJQG5tj479Plq_2MTidT1cmb2esAWTSoNJbhcYfLM3PJo_uvk7.X2RVw9dQyCHeb42D54U6MFxg.yx7VefDItq_ZzIGSEU.jFgLSLMJZTIQKw.47pNzNbtfQoqYR4NPUkNEUjeZIzyWmKULB2JJqzbi8NNQevjuixXroU7kTH8gBs.ke675CyCJkR6rt. X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:06:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:06:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20081217.180150.15543.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <885553.71954.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=w8k4QztYW_frf8E-KSsAkOxy_6IQ9pZmmw_2e5WWr8IlTQX1Vzrk X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So it's going to be a good time to be a 1st-time buyer? Didn't they make radios then that had separate tuners for AM & FM that coul= d play one band through one channel & the other channel via the other band? Jay --- On Wed, 12/17/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 9:01 PM =20=20=20=20 Another holding company is interested in buying our holding com= pany. There are a dozen AMs in our group and any interested buyers have nev= er shown any interest in DRM or IBOC. Sadly this is not of interest to the = operators that are making money. To make matters worse many operators are e= xperiencing a huge drop in revenue and are dumping GMs and PDs and local ta= lent like they have leprosy. Additionally with the Obama White House, where= they=A2re going to be looking harder at ownership concentration levels is = causing ulcers to many operators. As you can understand AM Stereo is very f= ar from he top of the things to do list.=20 My first stereo experience was a simulcasting AM/FM where we put the left c= hannel on the AM Carrier and the right channel on the FM. That was back in = the 50s and it worked great for those with two receivers. Of course it didn't last long. Don =20=20=20 -- JNR wrote: Don, I've been mulling this over for 2 weeks now.=A0 I'm trying to think of reas= ons to add stereo to your stations but I don't know how many stations there= are & what formats they run.=A0 It sounds like there's more than 1 station= so I'll use the plural form.=A0 I'm publicly posting this so if anyone els= e has any idea I missed they can add on to this. There are 96 A.M. stereo stations left in the U.S. with ~165 worldwide.=A0 = We don't know what radios are being produced for the U.S. market (cars I me= an as I think the only home/work radios are the Meduci & Fanfare models).= =A0 I'd love to get that number back up to 100 or 300 like ~2000.=A0 The ow= ner of WJIB said that he would be returning stereo to the air once his exci= ter was fixed.=A0 So we've got @ least 1 more coming & if we can get WJR ba= ck then we're halfway back to 100. As I was born in 1979 I don't have the historic experience of this but have= read that F.M. was in dire straits in the '50s & into the '60s.=A0 That's = where A.M. stereo is now.=A0 The question is, does it continue to lose grou= nd or does it rebound?=A0 I believe in the latter.=A0 However, it's in the = promotion & programming.=A0 The promotion would very likely have to be givi= ng away radios like F.M. stations did back in the '50s & '60s.=A0 The progr= amming side is important because people will then WANT radios & converters.= =A0 Again, I don't know what your stations are airing for formats but if th= ere's a music station in there then the first benefit is that the music will be in stereo. Back to promotion: in April 2000, Chris Cuff & Scott Todd went to KCJJ/1630= to promote A.M. Stereo.=A0 Chris was doing then what Meduci is doing now.= =A0 He made some radios & gave them away.=A0 I dunno if KCJJ helped out in = expenses or anything like that.=A0 But it was something.=A0 I don't know if= anyone here has the $ to fly out there today to promote stereo & give radi= os away (unless they're already in the area & have the extra cash) but it w= as something.=A0 Even a promotional spot like what the IBOC people are doin= g would be something.=A0 There was an idea a while back about a promotional= spot using phase inversion or something which only stereo radios could dec= ode.=A0 It would be a donut along the lines of "the following 5 seconds are= being transmitted in stereo only.=A0 Mono radios will not hear it.=A0=A0 (= Congratulations, your radio is hearing us in stereo) If you didn't hear tha= t,we can help.=A0 Available at our station are A.M. stereo radios for sale.= " Et cetera.=A0 I think Bill sells some radios @ WNMB.=A0 They're the Japanese = models so the F.M. is weird but hey, all the better: make F.M. confusing.= =A0 One model, the SRF-A300, does 76-90 F.M. which is great if your F.M. co= mpetitor is on 92 or higher!=A0 For instance, if I ever get the $ I'd like = to buy this local daytimer & play country (not my music of choice) & the F.= M. stations are up around 98. There are currently 260 IBOC stations listed here: http://topazdesigns .com= /iboc/ station-list. html. That includes part of Mexico along the border.=A0 That number is also the r= esult of big companies getting behind IBOC.=A0 Just 260 stations.=A0 After = all of that.=A0 We have 96 on no promotion & organization. I'll probably think of more later. Jay --- On Tue, 12/2/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 12:02 PM Each of the sticks use Harris DX10 Transmitters. DRM or IBOC can be added b= ut there is no business justification to add either. Sadly there is no audi= ence for AM stereo at this time. (Sigh.) Don =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Dec 17 19:12:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77689 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 03:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 03:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 03:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2008 03:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.146] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2008 03:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp204.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2008 03:12:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 992626.6160.bm@omp204.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 42335 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 03:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.197.18 with plain) by smtp103.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 03:12:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: h_b3BpAVM1nHY0BF9F8ERNx1xfhwuWwrHxmBWytBif79l3cHYtoo_WG66wp5Rz.C0Mkw.UQyMPZPDWzfE8duvqiFrBxxFXGuQ62FJGNRmvdf5YXjt2Tnaox2RnpE6I5g65LwtySkCfD6lOvDQakrxJ9o47bn4PBXq3snmQbtNVFGdxhXVp3vB1XclbE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081217.180150.15543.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> References: <20081217.180150.15543.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <392B6573-AEBA-4647-9F5C-B175F4161497@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:12:12 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=SYUfiNLFKM3VHMsmPERoTCH73PCtPuYj5MMqzR2pwX6MNazB6g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 18, 2008, at 2:01 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Additionally with the Obama White House, where they=92re going to be=20=20 > looking harder at ownership concentration levels is causing ulcers=20=20 > to many operators. This is a Bush problem, Don. Obama is not the President yet. Bush=20=20 ensured with his economic policy of cutting taxes on the rich in the=20=20 time of war that we are headed full bore into a depression. Obama was set up well for failure by the Bush administration. W=20=20 fucked it up real good for us. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Wed Dec 17 19:30:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36324 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 03:30:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 03:30:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 03:30:55 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEWVS82AYQPAQA for (sender ); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:30:32 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD/yq09S5HTYklqctTpGfnaw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N4NRB43Y; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:29:49 PST X-Received: from [99.129.209.120] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:29:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:29:48 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081217.192948.16160.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:3630679687 X-MAIL-INFO:23ed6d3404619da51084bd10b9058195dd000d8491ad99a5e0e5a9140484614175f0745975496141a0c9501da54dc0b02db435c93551942d1df4dd54297d241ddd89d43045157d154dd11955 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.149|webmail09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=vLui9cbmV2xGENgSbAw3h6QalF8si7zPHNNQwWhbBg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Yes but they were very expensive and they didn't sell many before the FCC a= uthorized FM stereo. Don -- JNR wrote: So it's going to be a good time to be a 1st-time buyer? Didn't they make radios then that had separate tuners for AM & FM that coul= d play one band through one channel & the other channel via the other band? Jay --- On Wed, 12/17/08, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 9:01 PM =20=20=20=20 Another holding company is interested in buying our holding com= pany. There are a dozen AMs in our group and any interested buyers have nev= er shown any interest in DRM or IBOC. Sadly this is not of interest to the = operators that are making money. To make matters worse many operators are e= xperiencing a huge drop in revenue and are dumping GMs and PDs and local ta= lent like they have leprosy. Additionally with the Obama White House, where= they=A2re going to be looking harder at ownership concentration levels is = causing ulcers to many operators. As you can understand AM Stereo is very f= ar from he top of the things to do list.=20 My first stereo experience was a simulcasting AM/FM where we put the left c= hannel on the AM Carrier and the right channel on the FM. That was back in = the 50s and it worked great for those with two receivers. Of course it didn't last long. Don From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Dec 17 21:35:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18820 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 05:35:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 05:35:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 05:35:24 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d19.33e772e2 (65099) for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:35:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:35:17 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5ZVh-1v8tpS8F9nI_793NQ6XXoMQ7iNljRsWgQewfK9nQJdxU0-eZAne8_jRnqaG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeap. That's it. I knew someone must have thought of it. What brought the idea to mind in the first place was the residual 25 hertz in the individual L and R channels. The components are 180 degrees out of phase with one another, so when added, the resultant is zero. So while there is no modulation of the standard AM (L+R) signal, there is still residual in the individual stereo channals. It isn't much. The pilot tone is already down 26 db (5% modulation) to begin with. The Denon TU-680NAB falls off a cliff below 50 hz or one octave above the pilot tone. I don't any speaker speaker that can reproduce 25 hz to an audible level that far down, so I guess from a practical perspective, there isn't a problem. However, I tend to be a perfectionist and wanted to remove the residual to below the system noise floor. I was looking at ways to do this such as brickwall highpass or notch filter. Then I realized combining the signals at low frequencies would accomplish this without removing any program material like a filter would. Then I looked at the spectrum of the L-R signal which contains the stereo spacial information. Most of the energy was below 160 hertz, the third octave above 20 hertz. So blending the two channels at low frequencies would minimize the phase modulation, allowing higher overall levels at frequencies where spacial information is more critical. It justs seems odd that my state of the art Denon rolls off at 50 hertz and my 67 year old Zenith rolls off at 15 hertz (detector, not complete audio chain). Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Dec 18 12:12:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2594 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 20:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 20:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 20:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.158] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081218141127000836800011.0) with SMTP id <20081218141127000836800011> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:11:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004b01c9614d$46aa1ee0$9e188340@stodd> To: References: <42631.38787.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:11:27 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} This list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=b3tl9Z2ySzZpj7BivFrCY7PuadsPJDIdmGKT5so58llEbk38tMG8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately Chrysler car radios only tune to 1700. Why they didn't extend it to 1710 is anyone's guess, but it essentially scrubbed that as a useable TIS frequency. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR Any A.M. frequency can be used for T.I.S. from 530-1700. I wish they'd open up 1710 for that too. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Dec 18 12:27:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35024 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 20:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 20:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 20:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.158] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081218142714000569200010.0) with SMTP id <20081218142714000569200010> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:27:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008301c9614f$79b9cc20$9e188340@stodd> To: References: <8CB2EA314A9F111-B50-106E@WEBMAIL-MY10.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:27:14 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Don is probably ok X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=80YKIKLSJH6Aza_3OE1CIpkVvMOpvKU6PDgNN0t5d9NMgzwkpUke X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DON'T GIVE 'EM ANY IDEAS!!!! :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The nice thing about a Top 40 format, as opposed to Talk Radio, is the Fairness Doctrine doesn't require the station to play boths sides of each record. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Dec 18 14:01:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60500 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 22:01:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 22:01:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 22:01:49 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.158] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081218160114000733500010.0) with SMTP id <20081218160114000733500010> for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:01:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012501c9615c$9e179180$9e188340@stodd> To: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:01:14 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: a new AM music station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=MPKSSf1OpnFy92uCto0PN9IlV534JAvdFRp4hlXiZoGFLfLjMtHv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently just came on the air full time- http://wmin1010.com/ with an automated standards format. Unfortunately not stereo. Didn't see a contact link on that page, but I have talked to the owner in years past on a few occasions and he didn't seem dead set against it. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 15:39:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65182 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 23:39:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 23:39:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 23:39:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2008 23:39:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.228] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2008 23:39:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:39:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.232 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=3FX2OFqGdYFyqXiKWYbysyku3q5V3up6HX5_CYNQ3E1KovSDTw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Yeap. That's it. I knew someone must have thought of it. >=20 > What brought the idea to mind in the first place was the residual=20 25 hertz in=20 > the individual L and R channels. The components are 180 degrees=20 out of phase=20 > with one another, so when added, the resultant is zero. So while=20 there is no=20 > modulation of the standard AM (L+R) signal, there is still=20 residual in the=20 > individual stereo channals. It isn't much. The pilot tone is=20 already down 26=20 > db (5% modulation) to begin with. The Denon TU-680NAB falls off a=20 cliff below=20 > 50 hz or one octave above the pilot tone. I don't any speaker=20 speaker that=20 > can reproduce 25 hz to an audible level that far down, so I guess=20 from a=20 > practical perspective, there isn't a problem. However, I tend to=20 be a perfectionist=20 > and wanted to remove the residual to below the system noise=20 floor. I was=20 > looking at ways to do this such as brickwall highpass or notch=20 filter. Then I=20 > realized combining the signals at low frequencies would accomplish=20 this without=20 > removing any program material like a filter would. >=20 > Then I looked at the spectrum of the L-R signal which contains the=20 stereo=20 > spacial information. Most of the energy was below 160 hertz, the=20 third octave=20 > above 20 hertz. So blending the two channels at low frequencies=20 would minimize=20 > the phase modulation, allowing higher overall levels at=20 frequencies where=20 > spacial information is more critical. >=20 > It justs seems odd that my state of the art Denon rolls off at 50=20 hertz and=20 > my 67 year old Zenith rolls off at 15 hertz (detector, not=20 complete audio=20 > chain). >=20 > Mike >=20 Maybe a good idea, not perfect but good. I can add it is very awful=20 and disturbing to "load" all the bass note frecuencies to the left=20 or to the right only. I prefer all the bass from the center. Just my=20 taste. However, there is no technical reason to do any blending in bass=20 frecuency because with or without bass note, C-QUAM will always have=20 phase information due to the L-R channel nature. "THE" problem with C-QUAM, Magnavox or any other phasing system,=20 was, is and will be the "out of human control" of the final signal=20 phase from the transmitter to the receiver (LW, MW and SW path). All=20 the way from the TX to the RX could destroy all the "phasing"=20 process because the ionospheric uncontrollable "rebounds" (the same=20 FM effect with the infamous multipath when we are moving). In other=20 words, C-QUAM AM Stereo will always suffer or will be complete=20 destroy in DX mode (and I'm not sure if the local mode is always=20 free of these artifacts). If we could have a RF signal with a non rebounds path, this would be=20 perfect!!! But this is not the case. Whatever, the only official AM Stereo system in all over the world=20 is C-QUAM, so... "We're just crying upon the spilled milk" (it's an=20 spanish idiom that means we can't do any about this fait accompli). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 15:46:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7046 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2008 23:46:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Dec 2008 23:46:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2008 23:46:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2008 23:46:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2008 23:46:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:46:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.232 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Renovation radio licenses process in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=r2Cg9eZuQky8Fd6kKKq2TMsJ-tPgXpO46yrUH1tV4-xqfZI6ww X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! If someone is interesting: a lot of AM radio stations are renovating=20 their licenses in Chile this month. BUT... not all of them!!! There=20 are some "emblematic" channels without representative person(s) in the=20 process. ??? It appears like a low interesting in AM band here. Just=20 my personal opinion, of course. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 17:44:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87018 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2008 01:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2008 01:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2008 01:44:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80608 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2008 01:44:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: J7dsZVkVM1ln93UFi8v0OPA2sxvUnNYXUEKILKqV1h5p3uJNINWRLw.AQF1vL3fbylDedy8EStnnQIGHyayUXYcCjD9MlSb2KAzNXvdMhOAUbfhyZ8rA_fMdftpAw7Q8lI3VWYwMoHCgx5uNx_TfTzOTKOXCXdTioiAmwHu4Cs1MyDpXN60DsNOXl.c- X-Received: from [209.213.19.104] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:44:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:44:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <012501c9615c$9e179180$9e188340@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <961949.80264.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Sotris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=fsor2m5IIOJxCfz1854eYX8mBbAy_6jKUdQSSKPQrkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Can you drop me a note offline please? Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Dec 18 19:39:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24801 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2008 03:39:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Dec 2008 03:39:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2008 03:39:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2164 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Dec 2008 03:39:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M692QJ0VM1leG9imcs9566INTOaVFZkEKxqjrxvHFwT8IERSrVAF05YOIj4iT5dmbU2xQS3UKaiDyVH9geMhSBSXSgyprHf1iXQJEzoOuXIhQpCsfqWi0wfJuhHY_GJzRD6_kVG0ypjgIZiZzkIJLP8O9.VmOi_96AM_7zIAyJmjS_KjZCsO8AIY2vqLJ0eduw8ZAUhA5AxukQlJ7Zk2alzwKrpA X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:39:40 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:39:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <688294.1733.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=MuMsUkJVIu7CIQumVvBot8-rBT498v5fEszd5NDHT39nVw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Probably because your fine old Zenith has good old fire bottles in it! G --- On Thu, 12/18/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 12:35 AM > Yeap. That's it. I knew someone must have thought of > it. > > What brought the idea to mind in the first place was the > residual 25 hertz in > the individual L and R channels. The components are 180 > degrees out of phase > with one another, so when added, the resultant is zero. So > while there is no > modulation of the standard AM (L+R) signal, there is still > residual in the > individual stereo channals. It isn't much. The pilot > tone is already down 26 > db (5% modulation) to begin with. The Denon TU-680NAB > falls off a cliff below > 50 hz or one octave above the pilot tone. I don't any > speaker speaker that > can reproduce 25 hz to an audible level that far down, so I > guess from a > practical perspective, there isn't a problem. However, > I tend to be a perfectionist > and wanted to remove the residual to below the system noise > floor. I was > looking at ways to do this such as brickwall highpass or > notch filter. Then I > realized combining the signals at low frequencies would > accomplish this without > removing any program material like a filter would. > > Then I looked at the spectrum of the L-R signal which > contains the stereo > spacial information. Most of the energy was below 160 > hertz, the third octave > above 20 hertz. So blending the two channels at low > frequencies would minimize > the phase modulation, allowing higher overall levels at > frequencies where > spacial information is more critical. > > It justs seems odd that my state of the art Denon rolls off > at 50 hertz and > my 67 year old Zenith rolls off at 15 hertz (detector, not > complete audio > chain). > > Mike > > > > > ************** > One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& > icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 08:21:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41621 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2008 16:21:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2008 16:21:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2008 16:21:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2008 16:21:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2008 16:21:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:21:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.120.213.171 From: "big_h00pla" Subject: WOON 1240 DX Test from Rhode Island X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=dJfhh6Cow8z2EUTkxiy-xTISCphFz8hsVeGjjEJ4Grkg-YS7ew X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla ABDX presents the first DX test of the season. Thank you to Jay Rogers for running a DX test at WOON 1240 kHz in Woonsocket, RI. This test will run Sunday morning Dec. 21 at 0200 ET / 0700 UTC. WOON 1240 is mono running 1 kW NDA. You can send your reports to Dave Richards via e-mail or regular mail. WOON/1240 985 Park Avenue Woonsocket, R.I. 02895-6332 U.S.A. E-mail: dave@onworldwide.com (note: use the station callsign as the subject= line so it's=20 not disregarded as spam). The DX test will consist of:=20 --Morse Code ID =20 --Voice announcement about it being a test broadcast =20 --Morse Code ID =20 --WOON Radio Jingle, (sung) "O-N Radio.......in Woonsocket". =20 These four elements will repeat, in that order, for 60 minutes from 2:00-3:= 00 EST on=20 12/21/08. A special thank you to Jay, Ron Gitschier and others who made this test possible. Kevin Redding, ABDX List owner And all the people at ABDX who made this possible From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Dec 20 08:58:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28791 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2008 16:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2008 16:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2008 16:58:15 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c0f.4126c469 (39953) for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:58:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:58:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lQMlQwsiGlQ9ThhXrXldHiJAkmWPEgHoa4Jx7Fw1wCMSU5L88US1kZp5FMyFwAoO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, The ideal is to reduce phase modulation at low frequencies where it doesn't contribute any useful audible stereo information to permit higher levels of phase modulation at mid-frequencies that do provide perceived stereo information. The combined L+R signal replaces the individual L and R signal in BOTH signal paths at low frequencies, so essentially nothing is lost and the bass information is in the center. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Dec 20 09:06:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20686 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2008 17:06:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2008 17:06:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2008 17:06:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cac.465ef638 (39953) for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:06:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:06:03 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Renovation radio licenses process in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=jdztR2fCKa3qUNB_6-BVjMzjDFKlASmjLB4hYmGmzvEPSzwXbHH0cjE78CeR7D3d X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Here is the U.S., license issuances are a complex legal process involving a huge bureacracy, lawyers, etc. Licences can be worth tens of millions of dollars. In the U.S., anytime money is involved, especially that kind of money, there are political interests and the FCC is no exception. It is my understanding that if Rod Blagovich's fortunes don't pan out in the Land of Lincoln, President Obama may appoint him as chairman of the FCC given Rod's demonstrated abilities which fit well into how that agency does business. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 11:30:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63172 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2008 19:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2008 19:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2008 19:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2008 19:30:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.227] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2008 19:30:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:30:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.243 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=XiJepwriTYmc562p4-_r1kMgnhwXCJuitpcAt6iIJwBA71RIpw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > The ideal is to reduce phase modulation at low frequencies where=20 it doesn't=20 > contribute any useful audible stereo information to permit higher=20 levels of=20 > phase modulation at mid-frequencies that do provide perceived=20 stereo information. >=20 > The combined L+R signal replaces the individual L and R signal in=20 BOTH signal=20 > paths at low frequencies, so essentially nothing is lost and the=20 bass=20 > information is in the center. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hi Mike!!! Yes, you're right. It's a good idea, not perfect but good. But, I=20 insist, it is not necessary at all. Normal L-R audio has a lot of=20 bass frecuencies due to some studio "artifacts", but there is some=20 material specifically made that way. I think the best option is to=20 use a graphic equalizer to increase the mid and high frecuencies of=20 both L+R and L-R paths. Of course, I guess the "infamous" Orban=20 Optimod AM does it in the best way, but I have not enough money to=20 buy one. By the way, just a curiosity, I wonder if "Mike" is your real name=20 or Is it something related with the typical radio microphone=20 alias? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 11:44:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91103 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2008 19:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Dec 2008 19:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2008 19:44:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2008 19:44:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2008 19:44:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:44:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.243 From: "jotape1960" Subject: An AM Transmitter site issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=yer2UjOReBvGa0oxkecfG0mluoW5PDb4_wonUqAHfyb6DRRZig X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! Just curiosity. In Chile we have a rule that forbids an AM transmitter site into=20 (inside) the official delimited urban area. Nobody knows why, but..=20 it is. I wonder if it's the same in other countries. ??? AND... I wanna know if somebody has or knows some technical assembly=20 specifications of the "Tunipole" antenna type (I mean not the LPB=20 original, it is intended to a "home made" experiment), how much=20 space between the tower and the antenna conductor, how much radials,=20 exact lenght, etc. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Sat Dec 20 15:51:33 2008 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30262;u=;t=1229817499;m=1588136109;s=2136137995; From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Dec 20 16:23:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35072 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2008 00:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2008 00:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.205) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2008 00:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W10 ([64.4.19.110]) by bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:23:44 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:23:44 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2008 00:23:44.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[6278AD10:01C96302] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} CFCO direct link for internet radio ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=trTYzteHXak4xmd5l6mtdbuPo-r8nT66n0xUZeCBsePyzZhpnVZP X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.country929.com/Click on the "Listen Live" tab at the top of the page. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: amstereofan@v21mail.co.ukDate: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:51:29 +0000Subject: {AMSF} CFCO direct link for internet radio ? Just reading about CFCO so now country since March...can anyone pleaseprivide a url for the stream ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Dec 20 16:25:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76243 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2008 00:25:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2008 00:25:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s20.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.220) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2008 00:25:09 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W31 ([64.4.19.131]) by bay0-omc3-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:25:04 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:25:03 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2008 00:25:04.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[91B39680:01C96302] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Seasons Greetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=elCU9EOOQtIhWsJiYdXc9eyU7BJhOIubP886o-Wns8bXRChCw_sk X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit May you all be blessed with the spirit of the season, and may your New Year be the best ever. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sat Dec 20 17:59:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96654 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2008 01:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2008 01:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2008 01:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEW5JZLAD7DTKA for (sender ); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:59:06 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD3KPaxvWWTlf1Osx2H72eGY= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N4WBAVBT; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 17:58:24 PST X-Received: from [99.129.209.120] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:57:51 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:57:51 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081220.175751.18228.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2779225114 X-MAIL-INFO:5791cd61944031fd2994404540a4f4ddf5543041 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Seasons Greetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=SxUwP6wXnqA_wx74d5U2M8KnpTHrsJPR6lNSU4JV1A X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Another Festivus Miracle! -- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: May you all be blessed with the spirit of the season, and may your New Year= be the best ever. =20 =20 =20 MTGC (Michael) From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Dec 20 19:09:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97639 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2008 03:09:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2008 03:09:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.109) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2008 03:09:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n2.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2008 03:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.142] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2008 03:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2008 03:09:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 587605.58441.bm@omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 60949 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2008 03:09:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.194.48 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2008 03:09:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lQagwdIVM1lfbCW_NRXFMiP56lfOUQmh7eF1xNiqerreZvq7nl7iKaUb3FqBSLPOsZIs080Ze7ypIoB2S3.HKp56xdLxfn10NVry_G4akOV0NyqHiRMwmX2x4PxzMkOmrAoeQa6Jh7WKlEJ1SRBmEwlC7MaSBhq1SWfDMAqS0i2XQiFke789WHdmaPDYb_SsiSAXxzLDbzo3QMDm0_IKckxctusnXD18.HQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <40C8E961-A132-4F1B-9438-5BD74881F63A@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:09:34 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: WOON 1240 DX Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=F4JWCJtsS3ycLS5mhYjkgBferMinis4ZJVdTJpD338UgYhKVsg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ABDX presents the first DX test of the season. Thank you to Jay Rogers for running a DX test at WOON 1240 kHz in Woonsocket, RI. This test will run Sunday morning Dec. 21 at 0200 ET / 0700 UTC. WOON 1240 is mono running 1 kW NDA. You can send your reports to Dave Richards via e-mail or regular mail. WOON/1240 985 Park Avenue Woonsocket, R.I. 02895-6332 U.S.A. E-mail: dave@onworldwide.com (note: use the station callsign as the subject line so it's not disregarded as spam). The DX test will consist of: --Morse Code ID --Voice announcement about it being a test broadcast --Morse Code ID --WOON Radio Jingle, (sung) "O-N Radio.......in Woonsocket". These four elements will repeat, in that order, for 60 minutes from 2:00-3:00 EST on 12/21/08. A special thank you to Jay, Ron Gitschier and others who made this test possible. Kevin Redding, ABDX List owner And all the people at ABDX who made this possible [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Dec 21 10:12:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14427 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2008 18:12:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2008 18:12:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2008 18:12:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.198] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081221121227002473000010.0) with SMTP id <20081221121227002473000010> for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:12:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009101c96398$2979d980$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:12:27 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Renovation radio licenses process in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=6_YFGvy72DhR05Dyl0oS2jx7tYtk1mKsJiln7FbJb38hrxnP9Npd X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And here I thought you were all in favor of getting monied interests OUT of politics. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In the U.S., anytime money is involved, especially that kind of money, there are political interests and the FCC is no exception. It is my understanding that if Rod Blagovich's fortunes don't pan out in the Land of Lincoln, President Obama may appoint him as chairman of the FCC given Rod's demonstrated abilities which fit well into how that agency does business. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Dec 21 10:34:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51395 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2008 18:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2008 18:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2008 18:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.198] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081221123426001567700010.0) with SMTP id <20081221123426001567700010> for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:34:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00a101c9639b$3be1bc20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:34:26 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} An AM Transmitter site issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=6LJ-wHMjFmih-lCFdcUS-Zvojm7sknG48CFSgPbP6uzbrK2JxOH_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No such rules here, at least not officially. NIMBYs and BANANAs* effectively make it nearly impossible to do it anymore. NIMBYs are primarily driven by narcissism; both groups also have uncritically believed misinformation put out by various fear mongers, and BANANAs try to impede progress generally since they believe mankind is a cancer on the earth but they're not usually bold enough to come out and say it. As to your Tunipole question, you can use as many skirt wires as you want, although three (one per leg) or six (two per tower face) are the most common. Typically the skirt wires are two feet or more from the tower face, but that's not a set limit either. The idea is they make the tower look fatter than it really is. It gives the antenna better bandwidth and makes it act taller than it really is. Tunipoles aren't used much on towers that are over 90 deg. (1/4 wavelength) high, though sometimes an extra skirt is added so it DEtunes the upper part of a tower and is referred as a Detunipole. They do increase tower maintenance costs. Scott Todd *NIMBY= not in my back yard BANANA= build absolutely nothing anywhere near anything ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In Chile we have a rule that forbids an AM transmitter site into (inside) the official delimited urban area. Nobody knows why, but.. it is. I wonder if it's the same in other countries. ??? AND... I wanna know if somebody has or knows some technical assembly specifications of the "Tunipole" antenna type (I mean not the LPB original, it is intended to a "home made" experiment), how much space between the tower and the antenna conductor, how much radials, exact lenght, etc. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From r.lebreton36@gmail.com Sun Dec 21 10:43:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: r.lebreton36@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48328 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2008 18:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2008 18:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2008 18:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2008 18:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.228] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Dec 2008 18:43:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:43:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 64.228.47.46 From: "r_lebreton36" Subject: Music stations on commercial AM band... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=334013609; y=odmE_U-UO3qxQxfC0kfkEKV-Blm7dAOQ3FLwC7nqkHFAaUone1cI X-Yahoo-Profile: r_lebreton36 Does anyone know how many stations there are (left) on the AM band that still play music in the USA and Canada? That is, whether or not they are broadcasting in stereo. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Dec 21 11:02:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97503 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2008 19:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2008 19:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2008 19:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.198] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081221130139001281900010.0) with SMTP id <20081221130139001281900010> for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:01:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00cd01c9639f$091fd200$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:01:39 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=pykbjNyW5ACNQj9MWvYa5z3EQU4FrJWX_4s34SyJ8rlvbH2VKuND X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't have any actual statistics, offhand, but I'd say about half of them still do. Whether it's something you'd be interested in is another matter. A good percentage of the music on AM is now ethnic, mostly Spanish. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: r_lebreton36 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... Does anyone know how many stations there are (left) on the AM band that still play music in the USA and Canada? That is, whether or not they are broadcasting in stereo. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 21 13:35:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15516 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2008 21:35:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2008 21:35:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2008 21:35:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17271 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2008 21:35:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zUUemncVM1n.5doBrLD0F2JasAi6lNbMuPYmkuwRtG9NI_nqf.COx5mazAwv2bgbdEnki6Mgwlz3PR2yCgNQqtNKVQqY_MUG7PjhdvJwl45440mkuUs6pBYMAA.mtN9gLNuQWn4f29DVtlrwicZXc2I4U89c93h2fq9Z2jOA_3VTBV1pI9UxR1SBjaWoqYwYbEpu.nzKWX7OpGVunhMEAd8RfYr6tNlEYSru X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:35:18 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:35:18 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <169247.17192.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=seONq4QcPRhbKhNRWPfw0SGzSNKNbsaUjfBcgWElqZjKN17rIe4i X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Of course though this changes the character of the sound of a lot of oldies= which had their bass and drum tracks recorded on either the left channel o= r right channel distinctly.=A0 With those you can tell a distinct differenc= e.=A0 If you can't your ears are malfunctioning.=A0 I've listened to some a= nd they definitely did not sound right in that scheme.=A0 The ping pong ste= reo effect is one of the things that makes oldies unique.=A0 You take that = original mix away and they just do not sound right.=A0 I will not do home t= heatre without dual subwoofers, one on each channel.=A0 Bass has more direc= tion than a lot of people realize or think.=A0 The bass that doesnt have ma= ny directional cues is actually pretty low.=A0 If you cant tell directional= cues in any of the bass then its either your ears or either I have very go= od ears.=A0 Well in fact I know I do.=A0 The last hearing check I had the d= oc said I had impeccable hearing and that it reached far into the high end spectrum.=A0 Not bad to be 35!=A0 Especially after all these years of loud= rock and roll music!=A0 Ha!=A0 I don't just like to hear my music I like t= o feel it too! =A0 -Kevin --- On Sat, 12/20/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 11:58 AM Juan, The ideal is to reduce phase modulation at low frequencies where it doesn't= =20 contribute any useful audible stereo information to permit higher levels of= =20 phase modulation at mid-frequencies that do provide perceived stereo inform= ation. The combined L+R signal replaces the individual L and R signal in BOTH sign= al=20 paths at low frequencies, so essentially nothing is lost and the bass=20 information is in the center. Mike ************ ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,=20 Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=vyUPfujULp54Hx7u8JR-gMVut0agwcY5N5DwINJsrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I hear a lot of Corrido, Norteno, Tejano, Banda, Ranchera and a little Mari= achi with a polka beat. Mexican but no ethnic Spanish. Spanish music is Andalusia, Aragon, Balearic Islands, Basque Country, Canar= y Islands, Castile, Madrid and Leon, Catalonia, Extremadura, Galicia, Canta= bria and Asturias, Murcia, Navarre and La Rioja and Valencia among others. Don -- wrote: I don't have any actual statistics, offhand, but I'd say about half of them= still do. Whether it's something you'd be interested in is another matter= . A good percentage of the music on AM is now ethnic, mostly Spanish. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: r_lebreton36=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... Does anyone know how many stations there are (left) on the AM band that still play music in the USA and Canada? That is, whether or not they are broadcasting in stereo. =20=20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 21 17:38:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42876 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 01:38:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 01:38:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 01:38:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c37.45b8b1b2 (48624) for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:38:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:38:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=og9LtNufHAzgxNqRe0-RoKeP6FZ4tq6vUfZMAep_IFbAuejEpfAWDJ6fGT6Tyvwc X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, First, I adimently and uncatagorically deny that I am J. Grant Michaels, a talentless hack which polluted the Top 40 airwaves of the Midwest more than three decades ago who disappeared in radio obscurity. My real genuine name, as it appeared on my FCC First Class license was, and is, Michael J. Grant, which I can scan and post. So, yes, my name is really Mike. Second, in the old days, the only program material in the sub-50 hertz range was turntable rumble. Carts didn't help, because they were recorded off vinyl. If one strapped the "Rumble Filter" on the Gates turntable preamps, there wasn't anything below that point going over the air. Even the renowned CBS Labs Volumax and Audimax unis had a low frequency cutoff of 50 hertz. Large low frequency components tended to make Level Devils and and Sta Levels go nuts. Combining the L and R allow low frequency program material while improving modulation density and removing the 25 hertz pilot. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 21 17:44:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60661 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 01:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 01:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 01:44:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.caf.3caddc89 (48624) for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:44:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:44:06 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} An AM Transmitter site issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=dTF-fflroqvZzMKiU1lmloAbbbcbXtZgC3KxOhZY-zgUCYmi6TcU2omGuRoEhyZx X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I thought the allocation of radio frequencies was governed by international treaty. For example, here in the U.S., there are Canadian clear channels which are protected by the FCC. I am not familar with the Tunipole, although I am familar with LPB and Ludwell Sibley. The latter wrote the book on carrier current broadcasting which gave birth to LPB, which stands for Low Power Broadcasting. It is my understanding, that the best AM broadcast antenna, especially in areas of poor ground conductivity, is the full-wave Franklin. Expensive, difficult to construct, but done right, can't be beat. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 21 17:48:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42537 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 01:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 01:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 01:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cdb.4789033d (48624) for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:48:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:48:50 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} An AM Transmitter site issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zrg6q1cEPOHUN-1SqTDF_AgrEkk94mj9a3L3Q-OXsVg1qm3jb6ZW8rs0lUio1YIH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, Is Tunipole the same thing as a folded (or caged) monopole? If so, you're right about the de-tuning skirt. The antenna has a very high Q which makes tuning critical and has a narrow bandwidth. De-tuning with a capacitance skirts helps both. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 21 17:58:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78588 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 01:58:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 01:58:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 01:58:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bde.3b22e6e1 (48624) for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:58:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:58:36 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5EeVFj6uALJ0xerDgD7x86HCnyNzlcOq5ypiJKkdNU_0iy-MIgEyIuEqsiiFy-zM X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, I thought the ping pong effect of oldies was the result of modern recording of mono oldies in synthesized stereo. Until perhaps the early 70s, 45s were mono. That how the hits of the days were disseminated to radio stations, juke boxes, and record shops. Maybe there were stereo mixes done for LPs, but how I remember "oldies" was in mono. I am old enough to remember when these were the hits of the day. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 21 18:01:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85536 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 02:01:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 02:01:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 02:01:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d3e.3a3b1e74 (48624) for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:01:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:01:17 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=A0ylagsz1Cdyw3JE-xk-_FqzoLMBYiwO0rebi8Z0cFHi3hwLu-bcZ7d4jk6Tlw3u X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My mom though the Tijuana Brass was "Spanish Music". Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 21 18:06:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9220 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 02:06:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 02:06:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 02:06:27 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c12.474f00cc (48624) for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:06:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:06:21 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=4dPjAmc0olxTo8BLNqTcrcgVQHIxZqjW4rv65FENL4v0Ob_pF08kG7vx9NIltYxv X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/18/2008 9:39:55 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Probably because your fine old Zenith has good old fire bottles in it! G > Zenith branded originals. They knew how to do radio right in the Windy City, which apoligies to Cincinnati. There is an Edison light bulb somewhere that is still burning. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 18:14:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29079 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 02:14:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 02:14:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 02:14:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 02:14:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 02:14:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:14:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20081221.152216.14162.2@webmail09.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.98 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=qBN79v6QqHr964rIFsbEDlKwkdEqLlvcKpy4x41FWrv1ixqZKA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury"=20 wrote: > > I hear a lot of Corrido, Norteno, Tejano, Banda, Ranchera and a=20 little Mariachi with a polka beat. Mexican but no ethnic Spanish. >=20 > Spanish music is Andalusia, Aragon, Balearic Islands, Basque=20 Country, Canary Islands, Castile, Madrid and Leon, Catalonia,=20 Extremadura, Galicia, Cantabria and Asturias, Murcia, Navarre and La=20 Rioja and Valencia among others. >=20 > Don >=20 Mmmm. Not exactly right. The word "Spanish" has a different meaning in our "spanish radio=20 world". When someone says: "spanish music", he/she wants to mean any kind of=20 music with spanish lyrics. It doesn't matter from where it is. It is=20 intended to make a difference with the "english music", "french=20 music", etc. That is. Of course, it is absolutely clear that "spanish" must be all related=20 with Spain (the country, Iberic peninsula, mainland Spain, our=20 MotherLand). But it isn't that way in the real world. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 18:19:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85265 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 02:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 02:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 02:19:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 02:19:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.33] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 02:19:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:19:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <169247.17192.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.98 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=YGiTTDSp-T7YUHmCugPF2Wx5UZVsF2DZzRi_ThBDcFi9Qq1V3g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke=20 wrote: > > Of course though this changes the character of the sound of a lot=20 of oldies which had their bass and drum tracks recorded on either=20 the left channel or right channel distinctly.=A0 With those you can=20 tell a distinct difference.=A0 If you can't your ears are=20 malfunctioning.=A0 I've listened to some and they definitely did not=20 sound right in that scheme.=A0 The ping pong stereo effect is one of=20 the things that makes oldies unique.=A0 You take that original mix=20 away and they just do not sound right.=A0 I will not do home theatre=20 without dual subwoofers, one on each channel.=A0 Bass has more=20 direction than a lot of people realize or think.=A0 The bass that=20 doesnt have many directional cues is actually pretty low.=A0 If you=20 cant tell directional cues in any of the bass then its either your=20 ears or either I have very good ears.=A0 Well in fact I know I do.=A0=20 The last hearing check I had the doc said I had impeccable hearing=20 and that it reached far into the high end > spectrum.=A0 Not bad to be 35!=A0 Especially after all these years of=20 loud rock and roll music!=A0 Ha!=A0 I don't just like to hear my music I=20 like to feel it too! > =A0 > -Kevin >=20 Nobody is saying: "the bass can't be heard in an spatial way". The idea is to mix the L and R bass to get less L-R energy. A good=20 idea, but not a perfect idea. I don't like it because I think there was, there is and there always=20 will be some difference between the L or R bass information because=20 it is absolutely nature, even if you intentionally put the bass=20 instruments in the center of the stereo space. I love to put the bass in the center and "fill" the sides with bass=20 reverb. It sounds great!!! Of course, it is just MY taste. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Dec 21 18:32:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73800 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 02:32:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 02:32:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 02:32:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 02:32:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.81] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 02:32:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:32:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.98 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=heJsVYWSwQMFta2mNA9DKY0UuYGSdVZL-vDxrIaDkbDRhQ7__g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Kevin, >=20 > I thought the ping pong effect of oldies was the result of modern=20 recording=20 > of mono oldies in synthesized stereo. Until perhaps the early=20 70s, 45s were=20 > mono. That how the hits of the days were disseminated to radio=20 stations, juke=20 > boxes, and record shops. Maybe there were stereo mixes done for=20 LPs, but how I=20 > remember "oldies" was in mono. I am old enough to remember when=20 these were=20 > the hits of the day. >=20 > Mike >=20 Even today we can find a lot of mono audio "in the air". A lot=20 of "public address" systems are still mono, and it doesn't mean a=20 bad sound. However, according to my experience, the "relevant" musical bass=20 notes are from 40 to 180 HZ. So, we can mix any below 50 HZ and it=20 will not be a "serious" attact to the original stereo idea. The first time I heard this idea was in the vinyl age. Someone told=20 me that if I mix the basses, I will get less background noise.=20 Believe it or not, it is true IN SOME CASES, not always. BUT I INSIST: THERE IS NOT ANY TECHNICAL REASON TO DO IT. We can get more L-R (mid and high) energy with other artifacts. Just my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 21 21:06:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18285 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 05:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 05:06:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 05:06:25 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.be5.475abc08 (14457) for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:06:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:06:22 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=4wMwzl8S0EkvxaXX1U2NzthkxyibP6V5zOx6gufpgEHq4qlVovdZOBNVmIVLlVKq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Thanks for the vinyl insight. After I read your post, I fired up the turntable and compared Madonna's "Borderline" on 12-in 45 rpm vinyl vs. CD for L-R spectral content. Below 160 hertz, there is alot less content on LP vs. CD, after eliminating the omnipresent turntable rumble. However, the combined L+R content was nearly identical in this same region. I know one of the reason for the RIAA curve, and its predecessors, was to reduce low frequency content to limit cutter head excursions. I had forgotten this until you reminded me. Thanks. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 21 21:11:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30207 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 05:11:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 05:11:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 05:11:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cfa.4b84be73 (14457) for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:11:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:11:36 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: What is wrong with cable music channels? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=b3Kc-nSbnVWMovIEpTfQ0TbywaRtWaupt0fXJfCLeUFgy6fndmxESTGP1mdb4lTu X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since moving, I have had to go back on cable until I can get a tower erected look over a Southern obstacle to the DirecTV bird. So I am on local cable. The cable has around 40 music only channels. However, these channels sound flat and lifeless. I don't know if it is compression, limited bandwidth, or both. Aside from having less noise, it doesn't sound as good as run of mill AM radio. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 01:32:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54358 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 09:32:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 09:32:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 09:32:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 93514 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 09:32:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 20AgwfkVM1ndYqms7dd_VkSJsMSTg3twaAcYDiCLTsFuhN8DnB8OxlAu33bHnWkBpLiAsY3bXGjsusrWjohUce2qE6TT3Ww_dy_kTwwfG7y99foza97XvkvVKgZJgMS34lLdjgWTwGNavep4PgCMPqZ2gRxP0FitqhnHNRzJhM8Wj2brseYm19l.Y0LIa60PtbIep7AWXdvJEGb5ms8TObTObPrkDZxMdKJV X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:32:50 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:32:50 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <387995.93085.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=tblDEETCgURpPB7bgzlETcBUYcJsIOV73XmbpCjg-ZBv2HW5hf-n X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, =A0 No no actually back in those days there was the era where you had some reco= rd players that were mono and some that were stereo and originally they wer= e incompatible.=A0 That is the stylus's made for mono were not intended for= Stereo discs and vice versa.=A0 I've read up on this.=A0 Later on that cha= nged and they were backwards and forwards compatible.=A0 It was only a prob= lem with earlier machines.=A0 The ping pong effect was not any remix, it wa= s the original way they recorded stereo.=A0 It was exagerrated because at t= he time stereo was newer and they were pushing it.=A0 They really wanted to= show that seperation.=A0 Now it is true that many 45's were issued in mono= .=A0 That was the order of the day.=A0 Some bands did indeed record in mono= because stereo was more "expensive" to do as they say.=A0 Records were sen= t to radio stations in mono in those days because there was no need for the= higher price of stereo because the music stations were on AM and of course= in mono.=A0 The ping pong effect is really a misnomer.=A0 Discrete stereo is = more befitting.=A0 It is more a technique.=A0 The arguement was over bass a= nd directionality cues.=A0 Well originally they did believe in fact that mo= st bass was non-directional but as you can tell from many of the oldies you= can indeed tell which speaker is reproducing kick drums and bass.=A0 This = is why later on they started to mix kick drums and bass more in the center = (or both channels equally) so there was a balance of the low end and not so= much directionality.=A0 Interestingly get this.=A0 The Beach Boys released= Pet Sounds in mono in 1966.=A0 Many of their earlier songs though were in = stereo.=A0 By 1966 we were already in the multi track era, 4 track to be sp= ecific.=A0 What happens when an album is recorded is that every thing is re= corded on a different track of tape.=A0 Many of the modern tape recorders o= r digital hard disk recorders can do 32, 48, and so on tracks.=A0 That way = people can come in and record when they want.=A0 The vocalist one day, the drumme= r another, and so on and so on.=A0 Bands haven't recorded together for a ve= ry long time.=A0 That is they haven't went in and recorded the whole song p= laying together in forever.=A0 It's all mixed together in a mixdown session= .=A0 Pet sounds could have been released in stereo but it was mixed to mono= .=A0 Fast forward to 30 years later in 1996.=A0 The beach boys wanted to do= a 30 year anniversary of Pet sounds and they did so with a box set and als= o a single cd with the original mono mix of the album and also a brand new = 1996 Stereo Mix.=A0 You can get the CD and read the booklet inside it and i= t will explain all that.=A0 Interestingly enough though they stuck with the= recording techniques of the era and did it in that discrete or ping pong s= tyle stereo.=A0 It's a wide spread and very discrete sound.=A0 It sounds as= though it was originally mixed that way in 1966 although it wasnt done unt= il 1996.=A0 Over the years they had lost one of the tapes that had the origin= al bridge in one of the songs where one of the other guys did the part.=A0 = Well they had also recorded Brian doing that part and that tape still exist= ed so in that version of Wouldnt It Be Nice you can hear the difference in = that part of the song if you compare the mono with the stereo version.=A0 R= ecording is interesting and something I know a good bit about.=A0 My degree= is in Broadcasting but I've done more with recording than anything.=A0 Mos= t people who grew up back in the 60's didn't know that stereo mixes of many= bands existed back then becaue they just listened to AM radio or bought th= e 45 which many times was in mono instead of the stereo version on the full= album.=A0 You have to remember that even in the 60's good stereo was still= a luxury and decent stereo equipment was expensive compared to what most k= ids had.=A0 Most kids just had a simple GE record player or some other cheap brand.=A0 Component systems still weren't very common like today.=A0= Back on recording though.....the last time that bands really went in and p= layed a song altogether as a band and recorded it that way on a record was = probaly in the 1950's and very early 1960's.=A0 Once Multi track recording = was born it allowed a lot of flexibility in recording because all the seper= ate tracks can be syncrhonized, mixed, and blended into a nice stereo image= or a simple mono record whichever is desired.=A0 Some of the stereo mixes = of early 60's albums are harder to find because they were produced in lower= numebers back then but thanks to companies like Rhino Records they are now= being reissued on CD in their full stereo glory.=A0 Even on CD's people ar= e missing a lot of the quality if they are feeding their receiver and amp v= ia the stereo line inputs.=A0 You should hear the very high quality of some= of those old recordings when they are reproduced by feeding the true digital fiber optic cable to a fully digital capable receiver and amp that= has digital inputs.=A0 It's much cleaner and has way more prescense than d= o the regular line outputs.=A0 The line outputs are limited but the digital= output spans the full spectrum and can result in very nice detailed stereo= .=A0 As far as mono is concerned now there was the aspect of "re-channeled"= records.=A0 Those things were pure shit.=A0 That was when they tried to ta= ke a mono record and do a pseudo stereo effect.=A0 That never worked right = and it sounded thin and tinny.=A0 There wasnt a lot of that done fortunatel= y.=A0 That was just an attempt to get more depth from the sound but it neve= r really worked.=A0 You can immitate that stupid effect in a digital editor= although I don't know why anyone would want to do that.=A0 Some times reco= rds were released in that re-channeled crap when there were actually true s= tereo mixes of the albums out there.=A0 To put it simply true fine stereo m= ixes of albums did exist in the 60's but there were just few people who had nic= e enough systems to really tell much difference.=A0 The guys who had the ni= ce systems were actually many US servicemen who served in Vietnam and bough= t nice systems overseas much cheaper and had them shipped back home.=A0 Usu= ally those were Sansui Recievers and TEAC reel to reel tape decks.=A0 Sansu= i, Sony, and Pioneer had some decent turntables back then.=A0 If you could = spring it a Dual brand turntable was very good of course.=A0 Wharefedale sp= eakers were all the rage back then too and I think it was Pioneer who had t= hat round speaker everyone was nuts over.=A0 Anyway I know a lot about reco= rding and audio equipment and history.=A0 I enjoy it.=A0 By the way I'm onl= y 35. =A0 -Kevin --- On Sun, 12/21/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 8:58 PM Kevin, I thought the ping pong effect of oldies was the result of modern recording= =20 of mono oldies in synthesized stereo. Until perhaps the early 70s, 45s were= =20 mono. That how the hits of the days were disseminated to radio stations, ju= ke=20 boxes, and record shops. Maybe there were stereo mixes done for LPs, but ho= w I=20 remember "oldies" was in mono. I am old enough to remember when these were= =20 the hits of the day. Mike ************ ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,=20 Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol. com/?optin=3D new-dp&am= p; icid=3Daolcom40vanity &ncid=3D emlcntaolcom0000 0025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 01:38:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28210 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 09:38:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 09:38:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 09:38:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51315 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 09:38:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EWzZKzAVM1lV.3IwFDXDEUf00RFATkRoB3q6JB_Qty1117CYfUf5Koha27J4p58wXhkMaRJQ0UuuLsM3XopG2zVh.jkXBAMSaKNjBdzqvMFrhr8SloPFa8w6bMM2P87VExfFU.Lb9xdjcAFvYZouXvx.QtGAKw.pbuX130G.SGOzLuU1rvSfHpu3hdd6AsjNYVc5J.8wpjI0Jv2pfQ15DZIajjxYTtmqWjw6 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:38:11 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:38:11 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <997332.48605.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=GvWJ-tbutVzh14IvVJvXlTf5PdYrQQGzqSImoDn4ebCWRVUub0Vl X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan, =A0 And yes there are lots of mono crap in the air these days.=A0 I've noticed = that a lot of modern bands aren't recording so much in stereo.=A0 If you li= sten to the modern rock stations theres some songs that just have no stereo= effect at all.=A0 Especially a lot of that rap stuff is also in mono.=A0 Y= ou can tell because everything is just totally centered.=A0 They need to le= arn to play with the pan pots on the console more and give it some depth.= =A0 I'm not fond of mono at all except for talk.=A0 Talk on FM with a stere= o signal is a bad idea.=A0 Our talker here on FM is in stereo.=A0 It sounds= so much better when you hit the mono switch.=A0 You don't have that annoyi= ng pilot tone in the background.=A0 Some people can't hear it but I can.=A0= I think FM's that are talkers should broadcast strictly in mono.=A0 It's j= ust cleaner.=A0 I mean who cares if commercials are in stereo?=A0 It's a ta= lker for goodness sakes!=A0=20 =A0 -Kevin --- On Sun, 12/21/08, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 9:32 PM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Kevin, >=20 > I thought the ping pong effect of oldies was the result of modern=20 recording=20 > of mono oldies in synthesized stereo. Until perhaps the early=20 70s, 45s were=20 > mono. That how the hits of the days were disseminated to radio=20 stations, juke=20 > boxes, and record shops. Maybe there were stereo mixes done for=20 LPs, but how I=20 > remember "oldies" was in mono. I am old enough to remember when=20 these were=20 > the hits of the day. >=20 > Mike >=20 Even today we can find a lot of mono audio "in the air". A lot=20 of "public address" systems are still mono, and it doesn't mean a=20 bad sound. However, according to my experience, the "relevant" musical bass=20 notes are from 40 to 180 HZ. So, we can mix any below 50 HZ and it=20 will not be a "serious" attact to the original stereo idea. The first time I heard this idea was in the vinyl age. Someone told=20 me that if I mix the basses, I will get less background noise.=20 Believe it or not, it is true IN SOME CASES, not always. BUT I INSIST: THERE IS NOT ANY TECHNICAL REASON TO DO IT. We can get more L-R (mid and high) energy with other artifacts. Just my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 01:44:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29624 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 09:44:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 09:44:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 09:44:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98351 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 09:44:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _Nn3pGgVM1kaNLBx6UfdNwsenl35sXSwRFfP2RG1t_7loax.m2eda8wYV9KW1p5DIDQ13sdPBqGilzr2ArQosOsZ699x8WcPBf5zQz9OTT_eYSgX_96zI6r8ky90htbICjwU4Dv4RLW_CorbHvxKimQdJrI1CpQjvKfsKZH1vWHpUtyw_rQURIGzvgiOid1EOv8d3bMChcSAI5keqQKSZW1WTlT_8Qsbif1B X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:44:30 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:44:30 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <467899.98305.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=ehhDA6RCoSo6fbXabyYNhS8wm3DpWKlAIzYYGQW6eiXMVfszQsZn X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very true RIAA curve!=A0 It was done cause it would cause mistracking too.= =A0 The CD should reveal more spatial content.=A0 I don't know where people= get than an LP is superior to a CD.=A0 That just isn't true.=A0 Sure I thi= nk vocals sound better on vinyl but its a different sound.=A0 It's not bett= er than a CD.=A0 A CD's specs are way better and if an album is recorded co= rrectly the CD should win out.=A0 Many of the albums in the 90s unfortunate= ly though were recorded louder and lots of compression used.=A0 You can ver= ify and see this in a digital editor, you can look at the waveform.=A0 It l= ooks very clipped.=A0 The CD's from the 80's sound way better than the ones= in the 90s in many instances.=A0 They werent in the loudness war then.=A0 = Better frequency response too.=A0 Madonnas 80's CD's sound pretty damn good= .=A0 If you get her Immaculate Collection look for the version that says "Q= Sound".=A0 It is a surround effect that does some pretty damn neat things = on just a stereo setup.=A0 I haven't seen many of these with the Q-sound and some of= the Immaculate CD's have this and some dont.=A0 Mine does and it's one of = the best sounding CD's I own.=A0=20 =A0 -Kevin --- On Mon, 12/22/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 12:06 AM Juan, Thanks for the vinyl insight. After I read your post, I fired up the=20 turntable and compared Madonna's "Borderline" on 12-in 45 rpm vinyl vs. CD = for L-R=20 spectral content. Below 160 hertz, there is alot less content on LP vs. CD,= =20 after eliminating the omnipresent turntable rumble. However, the combined L= +R=20 content was nearly identical in this same region. I know one of the reason for the RIAA curve, and its predecessors, was to=20 reduce low frequency content to limit cutter head excursions. I had forgott= en=20 this until you reminded me. Thanks. Mike ************ ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,=20 Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol. com/?optin=3D new-dp&am= p; icid=3Daolcom40vanity &ncid=3D emlcntaolcom0000 0025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 01:48:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43733 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 09:48:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 09:48:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 09:48:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25697 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 09:48:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lVkKIS0VM1knNwP7emvNxMNt7fTsXjqcOceFzN7QcGxywJckg8jltXlUSnEUSR0Ru0yBnRgAfN_zKXMvSfWKGulLPZpFU_A5qmqjsOYpQwbTpAI5IMbIHtB8kCxqgKORwpfINWnyJ9wNKeXO4uQDVMerQFMNBpwd1CMJCimEtUYCK6MIN5pXhrDUrjxQNNj7RTEDl29Z3LjYUWoEBwO6r6r5iEDwD4uBeOkQ X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:48:47 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:48:47 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <336854.25674.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} What is wrong with cable music channels? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=5msWz-Bt4zpbM9pXi_b6sIaBtvXeFvQh-QFHOde7U0v49YKBGvG2 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now you didn't say whether or not you are running the left and right output= s of your cable box into your receiver or not.=A0 Also get this.=A0 Those l= ine outputs for some reason aren't line level.=A0 They are controlled by th= e volume on your remote.=A0 Be sure if you are using your left and right ou= tputs fed into your receiver that you have the volume on your remote turned= up enough or it will indeed blend into mono for some reason.=A0 I noticed = this when we had digital cable and I was not impressed with their music cha= nnels.=A0 We still have the digital box and option but we don't subscribe t= o all those movie channels so we disconnected that damn box.=A0 Those boxes= to me are annoying.=A0 I don't want another remote to have to fool with.= =A0 I watch basically the expanded cable which is about 70 channels. That i= s enough for my tastes.=A0 As for the music though make sure you check your= volume level on your remote.=A0 I think if memory serves it also puts volu= me bars onscreen on your tv so check to see that it is turned up enough.=A0 J= ust don't turn it up to loud then switch in your receiver.=A0 You don't wan= t to blow any speakers out.=A0 Just experiement and find the sweet spot. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Mon, 12/22/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: {AMSF} What is wrong with cable music channels? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 12:11 AM Since moving, I have had to go back on cable until I can get a tower erecte= d=20 look over a Southern obstacle to the DirecTV bird. So I am on local cable. The cable has around 40 music only channels. However, these channels sound= =20 flat and lifeless. I don't know if it is compression, limited bandwidth, or= =20 both. Aside from having less noise, it doesn't sound as good as run of mill= AM=20 radio. Mike ************ ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,=20 Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol. com/?optin=3D new-dp&am= p; icid=3Daolcom40vanity &ncid=3D emlcntaolcom0000 0025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 01:49:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20891 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 09:49:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 09:49:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 09:49:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36390 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 09:49:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: H1eo4xUVM1mnZE7s4TwT5jLKwD_ErOnu7PqW9DnoDkQyGzwyR2OfZU_6Tikvj3fD.iRVpWB5zMCeDk8_YRGi7OCoPCpPNuiVDgiZF3vZCFbdetoO1YUH7q9Kf1XffVDzhRu7P5wifbLSEvmW4Ju5QxqjYl3h5rD58aWR7C8GpSn.P.AD.cU0Z6HEJDrWxtiuJXkPfZNJzUmambzhkDxsKLQck_mc2e__c2ed X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:49:53 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:49:53 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <937919.36185.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=broWJ1HTKBGjD7cTC8Ly6KDHJ0qAXmrORT54hF426GrtFP6VM_Jt X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Herb Alpert is actually from Russia.=A0 It's noted in those nice re-issues = of his classic albums. Those babies have nice liner notes in them. =A0 =A0 -Kevin --- On Sun, 12/21/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 9:01 PM My mom though the Tijuana Brass was "Spanish Music". Mike ************ ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,=20 Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol. com/?optin=3D new-dp&am= p; icid=3Daolcom40vanity &ncid=3D emlcntaolcom0000 0025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 22 05:00:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55167 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 13:00:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 13:00:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 12:59:59 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d62.267650b3 (48600) for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:59:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:01:24 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CXo_yG8VtfBLxJAmbjOeLgzMcYvaUWRDyVgzh3tOXtsqQ0hB0Yv7-vuxrH0MCS5V X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, I know the common practice, even for AM mono stations, was to use a Stanton 500AL for on-air and Stanton 680E for cart dubbing. Both were stereo cartridges to protect stereo records. A few used Shure 44C for on-air and Shure 44E for dubbing. The Shure 44C had very limited life in on-air use because time and personnel constraits required a more robust cartridge. Even by the mid-60s, there were no mono magnetic cartridges left on the market to my knowledge. The last mono magnetic cartridge I remember was the GE VR series. The standard practice was to parallel the L and R at the cartridge. How well that truly blended the two channels was anybody's guess. Multi-track recording has been around for a long time. That's how you get duets with Elvis 30 years after he went to the big band in the sky. I have always seen a dicotomy in how this technology was, and is, applied. Is a stereo recording supposed to be what a listener would hear if s/he had the best seat in the house? Or is the listener supposed to hear what the record producer constructed for him to hear? Is the recording a faithful reproduction or is technology part of the performance? What one hears on many of today's recordings never existed in an actual performance. It was processed and assembled in a recording studio. I'm not a purist. There is nothing wrong with marrying technology and art. Walter/Wendy Carlos could not have done Switched On Bach without multichannel recording. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 22 05:03:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48639 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 13:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 13:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 13:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c24.5118cecb (48600) for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:03:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:05:07 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=AeYh4GpBmvlMnex-madKkrwAXaiBlywWnKuwycoJX36f3C6Z8R5SrfdsUsy6vXgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not certain how much Rap is in mono vs. stereo. I just know when one of those boom wagons pulls up behind me at a stoplight, both my driver and passenger side rear view mirrors seem to vibrate equally. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 22 05:11:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55650 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 13:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 13:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 13:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c85.40c34ebd (48600) for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:11:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:12:56 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What is wrong with cable music channels? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_nFwzO60P_a5S7bg85VOek5B2R2BjTrcqybotVK_pV-7lk3Pb2wmLGtIjTohOwJC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hate all the different remotes. The cable box audio outputs are adjustable with the remote volume control. Movies are fine. Rich, dynamic sound. Music on the soundtrack is great. However, just selecting music only channels produces a much different result. Flat and lifeless, almost like background music. I can make loud or soft, but the character of the music doesn't change. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 22 05:18:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55576 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 13:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 13:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 13:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c26.4ddf3ed0 (48600) for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:18:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:20:12 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=MEp2sb5Wr2hpASvxgCoRoXeMNp8nf7f61qc3ITwI3ia-vElShNUxKwdie0nn5YXp X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/22/2008 3:50:11 AM Central Standard Time, clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Herb Alpert is actually from Russia. It's noted in those nice re-issues of > his classic albums. Those babies have nice liner notes in them. > > My mother would have died if she knew that. I've never play anyed Tijuana Brass records backwards for subliminal Commie messages. Never thought to. Those Reds were really sneaky, weren't they? Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 07:02:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98780 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 15:02:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 15:02:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 15:02:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44305 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 15:02:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: axbXaK8VM1l.gG08cDc3IrjEho4F0Idja1zenJ2IHLRHNCTA4THzawYooo9ejNqP1K6XNz4T79.mVfD1JsYvAxSFFu6sQzAiN1tVFhL8EhNH7c.Hx67g.AhymPNu7tJM.dXnWOIHWRX_5fdy2L9Z3liG.uHy95ET59sLZGpG_n0Z3.uVVpUjfnwwcct.m8.gvzoDtzNmxM_dKRMUy6WZGxlujg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.48] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:02:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:02:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <829426.44053.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} An AM Transmitter site issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=KmqDBcn9E1yP8N84NIgubcxlpCxNWlojHGX0YWDSmt4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW And a unipole is not stable if the weather gets wet or dry parameters change. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 12/21/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Is Tunipole the same thing as a folded (or caged) monopole? > If so, you're > right about the de-tuning skirt. The antenna has a very > high Q which makes > tuning critical and has a narrow bandwidth. De-tuning with > a capacitance skirts helps both. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 07:15:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45390 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 15:15:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 15:15:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 15:15:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18686 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 15:15:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _xE_jW0VM1l5O.ayEAcrlutgX9Jr8u1A2.X3GXgMOMvIqfzaezdgppmpxhGdYfADEtULi_BVj9TTiu7n8zm87iu6FLDTgIBJGu6OrdMtckanrceZU2ISxP4ge4usyqzaAzng390Qv7CYgDhdimfsF5VT601fMVCpMFOk0ahcWFXXkicO8eshabtMRPk- X-Received: from [209.213.19.48] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:15:28 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:15:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <387995.93085.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <340622.18021.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=yX7TqQEcWTd4r9xGLmZxIor0OZ6M5nPOYBxZto0oUc8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN > Mike, > > No no actually back in those days there was the era where > you had some record players that were mono and some that > were stereo and originally they were incompatible. That is > the stylus's made for mono were not intended for Stereo > discs and vice versa. It had to do that the old cartridges or stylus was not very compliant and would ruin the grooves. > I've read up on this. Later on > that changed and they were backwards and forwards > compatible. It was only a problem with earlier machines. I expect it was the earlier CHEAP machines....you know, the ones that tracked in pounds and we called them Rotory Record Reamers. > The ping pong effect was not any remix, it was the original > way they recorded stereo. It was exagerrated because at > the time stereo was newer and they were pushing it. I have some Enoch Light stereo recordings and they will make you sea sick fast...... :) They > really wanted to show that seperation. Now it is true that > many 45's were issued in mono. That was the order of > the day. Some bands did indeed record in mono because > stereo was more "expensive" to do as they say. > Records were sent to radio stations in mono in those days > because there was no need for the higher price of stereo > because the music stations were on AM and of course in > mono. The ping pong effect is really a misnomer. LOL, not for the early Enoch Light stuff. Now, working at WKDK and we had to purchase a lot of 45's and so did I, I never saw any stereo 45's until after the mid 60's. Now I have a Harry James album, recorded in 1955, and the CD released is also in mono and they have the master tapes, so I guess it was full track mono. But the album DOES have variable groove spacing!!!! They did it early but Columbia records took a long time to figure this out. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 07:20:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45693 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 15:20:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 15:20:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 15:20:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96721 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 15:20:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gOdYXqUVM1l1ROU2zq3It33oyRzx4SSvKfixsgXIYDM4zC3Yg_Se9c9.Chrx0qJSIQDaBo7VJA1d0JlePqls0rY_4eN_D_HKVIAJscvQC0Ovi7HWOIWawmobV099u2pheT.ZeZRX_ugvTYZ4No1lUr8PvDc0hPVulLMe5.iG2.PF3SOaYfbiBCe9DJunJqlWudxFI.v.HQwjlWW4xicnQc.KXAC4b4o- X-Received: from [209.213.19.48] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:20:50 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:20:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <997332.48605.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <863335.96001.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=UDq67oDuNeU4bLPfuiFRiDbfnP0i9udnv_5d_EG1ECo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 12/22/08, clemsonbloke wrote: Talk on FM with a > stereo signal is a bad idea. Our talker here on FM is in > stereo. It sounds so much better when you hit the mono > switch. You eliminate a range penalty in mono, and you don't have multipath. You don't have that annoying pilot tone in the > background. Some people can't hear it but I can. If you can hear it your receiver is defective. > think FM's that are talkers should broadcast strictly in > mono. It's just cleaner. I mean who cares if > commercials are in stereo? There are some car radios that, in scan mode, won't stop on a mono signal. And then there are some dumb station GM's that think if the stereo light shows on the radio.... it has to be better. That goes along with the flame of over processed FM's .....don't get me started on that one. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 07:25:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70896 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 15:25:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 15:25:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 15:25:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99932 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 15:25:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SQYpkX8VM1kO9pkEvJedZbgPmpgDGAeIe6zKoCeuK_TUMqwMoh_gx.n9QHG9Fx9yd39ukU_JSfi.07GaHmFpEK1xJw.FLD3Pvr4YuQXyz3pr8LWQ_4uPJd.HnaB.cCdNy609IWTd9bJpFql3xlkr6JKW2_lkqWLlK1LlNpFTGsAv8rsgvvtso_62OyTiAohWvPLwpmrv.yHZ7WCZ_uj69Yhx2g-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.48] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:25:45 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:25:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <137719.99626.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ftvK8k8to5RN9qAzzZMxZBx2OHHhghKpra8v7wCHrVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Did you know that GE actually made a STEREO VR series cartridge? I had one at one time. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 12/22/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I know the common practice, even for AM mono stations, was > to use a Stanton > 500AL for on-air and Stanton 680E for cart dubbing. Both > were stereo > cartridges to protect stereo records. A few used Shure 44C > for on-air and Shure 44E > for dubbing. The Shure 44C had very limited life in on-air > use because time and > personnel constraits required a more robust cartridge. > Even by the mid-60s, > there were no mono magnetic cartridges left on the market > to my knowledge. > The last mono magnetic cartridge I remember was the GE VR > series. The standard > practice was to parallel the L and R at the cartridge. How > well that truly > blended the two channels was anybody's guess. From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Dec 22 07:27:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76739 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 15:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 15:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 15:27:15 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so846328qwe.47 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:27:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.79.3 with SMTP id c3mr6071450qab.370.1229959635266; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:27:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.33.101.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.33.101.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm6692800qwb.38.2008.12.22.07.27.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:27:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <73F96D2C-34A7-4E5C-8CD4-549ECC099CA1@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <829426.44053.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:27:07 -0500 References: <829426.44053.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} An AM Transmitter site issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=PsQAMctNeqCHf2sPaVo59c42KN1YlG3HIEllVuN99EZGQg7Gu3OKnqFHuaVKMA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 22, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > And a unipole is not stable if the weather gets wet or dry > parameters change. Yea, WKDY tried one and it SUCKED! It didn't take too long for them to get enough of it and take it off of the Tower. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 07:30:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89020 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 15:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 15:30:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 15:30:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29295 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 15:30:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: o2tTRn8VM1lB7JD3_AGevCARcjPHHu2lIVOHviF3toUnkz1Zr7mNy3KsAdPxNhlhwCMSKNmpALQCWvSj1Y.fTQvYI7nBvgASPGyxhHnsFleAqbLTKICeD4MwAdjR1A9O3AuZ5J2c.Em1mjQhsOo1.pS32K91q6fWjGjkHFH5JynT3J9lN_lqg9N9cmqHY534OCjavPxN3WAwsgAzvt2oApSRUGff X-Received: from [209.213.19.48] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:30:16 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:30:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <73F96D2C-34A7-4E5C-8CD4-549ECC099CA1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <784421.28624.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} An AM Transmitter site issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Tq9_zs_8TcRfFublTCT4BB0vO18j4dB7a6kuoiQaBxo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW WCAM in Camden,SC on 1590 has one and it works well but parameters change when wet to dry...dry to wet..... it's 3 wire one. The 5 wire one on WEAC 1500 in Gaffney is much more stable and works great. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > On Dec 22, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > And a unipole is not stable if the weather gets wet or > dry > > parameters change. > > Yea, WKDY tried one and it SUCKED! It didn't take too > long for them to > get enough of it and take it off of the Tower. From w6yn@juno.com Mon Dec 22 08:28:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71068 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 16:28:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 16:28:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 16:28:53 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail01.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.141]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEW9SBDAPJ88AS for (sender ); Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:28:19 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxSvRFz81AC6gjTpOQrrkeU= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail01.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N42FFQ36; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:27:56 PST X-Received: from [99.129.209.120] by webmail01.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:27:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:27:12 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081222.082712.2281.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 14:7:2234610292 X-MAIL-INFO:141c89fcbd3c396d2cbd98c1b561c57c4ce1cd35b52c753118657de199bcd195759505a9bc18dc61dd21c128186148d871c9f1c1f17d3868910d7c319809b51cac0d094168eccc05d57809155525cc2158b16c6d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.141|webmail01.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=x1YZa-nULSgkROELtKk6VA3dC1hnn-EYloLg4XeR9g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Juan, I guess some things get lost in translation. I was writing about the subjec= t of ethnicity not language. Most of the Spanish language music I hear on U= S radio stations is ethnic Mexican not ethnic Spanish. Listening to a radio station in Spain one will generally not hear the Spani= sh music played on US radio stations. Tubas and concertinas are not big in = Spain.=20 Don -- "jotape1960" wrote: Mmmm. Not exactly right. The word "Spanish" has a different meaning in our "spanish radio=20 world". When someone says: "spanish music", he/she wants to mean any kind of=20 music with spanish lyrics. It doesn't matter from where it is. It is=20 intended to make a difference with the "english music", "french=20 music", etc. That is. Of course, it is absolutely clear that "spanish" must be all related=20 with Spain (the country, Iberic peninsula, mainland Spain, our=20 MotherLand). But it isn't that way in the real world. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury"=20 wrote: > > I hear a lot of Corrido, Norteno, Tejano, Banda, Ranchera and a=20 little Mariachi with a polka beat. Mexican but no ethnic Spanish. >=20 > Spanish music is Andalusia, Aragon, Balearic Islands, Basque=20 Country, Canary Islands, Castile, Madrid and Leon, Catalonia,=20 Extremadura, Galicia, Cantabria and Asturias, Murcia, Navarre and La=20 Rioja and Valencia among others. >=20 > Don >=20 -- wrote: > >I don't have any actual statistics, offhand, but I'd say about half >of th= em still do.=20=20 >Whether it's something you'd be interested in is another matter. A >good = percentage of=20 >the music on AM is now ethnic, mostly Spanish. > >Scott Todd From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Dec 22 09:56:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9979 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 17:56:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 17:56:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 17:56:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 17:56:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 17:56:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:56:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20081222.082712.2281.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.240.134.22 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Music stations on commercial AM band... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=6N4pQU7TdyHNo8pLVa-nbJQ9P2pEIWzLgWuIoeiP2us9dUYIeBw1 X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I understood.. I hear Quebecois artists on the air in the mix with other popular=20 English-language artists from North America on radio stations in=20 Canada. Those are, of course, the ones with a license to broadcast=20 in French by the CRTC. On those stations marked French.. only French=20 can be uttered by the jocks... On the English ones only Canadian=20 English. At least one person tried to break that rule in Montreal...=20 Look up Marc "Mais Oui" Denis.. He had a successful bilingual act and=20 it swept the ratings... but, drove the others programming in only one=20 language in Montreal nuts. Canada's feds went after the station and=20 the rest is history. Here I can hear stations like 96,9 CKOI and Reseau Rock-Detente (the=20 Radio Rock-Detente Network) in nearby Sherbrooke, Quebec its at 102,7=20 FM and it comes in gangbusters where I am in St-Johnsbury, Vermont --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > I guess some things get lost in translation. I was writing about=20 the subject of ethnicity not language. Most of the Spanish language=20 music I hear on US radio stations is ethnic Mexican not ethnic=20 Spanish. >=20 > Listening to a radio station in Spain one will generally not hear=20 the Spanish music played on US radio stations. Tubas and concertinas=20 are not big in Spain.=20 >=20 > Don >=20 > -- "jotape1960" wrote: >=20 > Mmmm. Not exactly right. >=20 > The word "Spanish" has a different meaning in our "spanish radio=20 > world". >=20 > When someone says: "spanish music", he/she wants to mean any kind=20 of=20 > music with spanish lyrics. It doesn't matter from where it is. It=20 is=20 > intended to make a difference with the "english music", "french=20 > music", etc. That is. >=20 > Of course, it is absolutely clear that "spanish" must be all=20 related=20 > with Spain (the country, Iberic peninsula, mainland Spain, our=20 > MotherLand). But it isn't that way in the real world. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury"=20 > wrote: > > > > I hear a lot of Corrido, Norteno, Tejano, Banda, Ranchera and a=20 > little Mariachi with a polka beat. Mexican but no ethnic Spanish. > >=20 > > Spanish music is Andalusia, Aragon, Balearic Islands, Basque=20 > Country, Canary Islands, Castile, Madrid and Leon, Catalonia,=20 > Extremadura, Galicia, Cantabria and Asturias, Murcia, Navarre and=20 La=20 > Rioja and Valencia among others. > >=20 > > Don > >=20 > -- wrote: > > > >I don't have any actual statistics, offhand, but I'd say about=20 half >of them still do.=20=20 > >Whether it's something you'd be interested in is another matter.=20=20 A >good percentage of=20 > >the music on AM is now ethnic, mostly Spanish. > > > >Scott Todd > From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Dec 22 09:59:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67025 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 17:59:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 17:59:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 17:59:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 17:59:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 17:59:29 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:59:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20081222.082712.2281.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.240.134.22 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=52KZOjBrg0lxc3x8m6i59aJ8ip87iwfnyRz3CbIZJLsJUMxi6a-8 X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Sorry, I forgot to sign that last post... Bob at WSTJ 1949-2009 "Celebrating 60 Years in St-Johnsbury, Vermont" From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 11:21:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78605 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 19:21:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 19:21:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 19:21:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 19:21:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 19:21:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:21:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <997332.48605.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.152 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1vsaH6162rwLs0pLpcxFKpVOltYC9MhELo2icDKlkGWbkxwQNw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke=20 wrote: > > Juan, > =A0 > And yes there are lots of mono crap in the air these days.=A0 I've=20 noticed that a lot of modern bands aren't recording so much in=20 stereo.=A0 If you listen to the modern rock stations theres some songs=20 that just have no stereo effect at all.=A0 Especially a lot of that=20 rap stuff is also in mono.=A0 You can tell because everything is just=20 totally centered.=A0 They need to learn to play with the pan pots on=20 the console more and give it some depth.=A0 I'm not fond of mono at=20 all except for talk.=A0 Talk on FM with a stereo signal is a bad=20 idea.=A0 Our talker here on FM is in stereo.=A0 It sounds so much better=20 when you hit the mono switch.=A0 You don't have that annoying pilot=20 tone in the background.=A0 Some people can't hear it but I can.=A0 I=20 think FM's that are talkers should broadcast strictly in mono.=A0 It's=20 just cleaner.=A0 I mean who cares if commercials are in stereo?=A0 It's=20 a talker for goodness sakes!=A0=20 > =A0 > -Kevin >=20 Hi Kevin!!! You have touched a very good point: THE FM 19 KHZ PILOT TONE!!! Yes, we can hear it, directly (or its subharmonics artifacts). AND=20 IT IS SO DISTURBING!!! I guess and I'm sure this pilot tone is THE reason of the 99% of FM=20 Stereo distorted audio "on the air". I heard someone=20 saying: "increase the pilot to reach so far away". ??? Maybe you can=20 reach so, so far with the receiver stereo light on but... What about=20 the quality? Here, in chile, there is a lot of AM stations with FM Stereo co- channels, but the AM audio is taken from the FM Stereo audio (they=20 have a simple FM Stereo receiver tuned on their FM station). But I=20 don't like the idea because the typical FM pre-emphasis process.=20 This is the reason because I don't like the idea to work with an FM=20 Stereo composite STL to AM Stereo, I'd chosen a two discrete mono=20 STL system. Just my taste, of course. However, the FM Stereo audio is normally distorted here (Chile), so=20 that distortion is passed to the AM TX. I think it isn't good. I guess a very good Orban Optimod-FM digital (the last model)=20 doesn't have this problem. I can not to buy one, sorry!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 11:35:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38443 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 19:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 19:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 19:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 19:35:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 19:35:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:35:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.152 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=56ndifhc9dE-3NHrIntgMVkVCn_F5FZDsKGSIz6SkJm1uP76Cw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Kevin, >=20 > I know the common practice, even for AM mono stations, was to use=20 a Stanton=20 > 500AL for on-air and Stanton 680E for cart dubbing. Both were=20 stereo=20 > cartridges to protect stereo records. A few used Shure 44C for on- air and Shure 44E=20 > for dubbing. The Shure 44C had very limited life in on-air use=20 because time and=20 > personnel constraits required a more robust cartridge. Even by=20 the mid-60s,=20 > there were no mono magnetic cartridges left on the market to my=20 knowledge.=20=20 > The last mono magnetic cartridge I remember was the GE VR series.=20=20 The standard=20 > practice was to parallel the L and R at the cartridge. How well=20 that truly=20 > blended the two channels was anybody's guess. >=20 > Multi-track recording has been around for a long time. That's how=20 you get=20 > duets with Elvis 30 years after he went to the big band in the=20 sky. I have=20 > always seen a dicotomy in how this technology was, and is,=20 applied. Is a stereo=20 > recording supposed to be what a listener would hear if s/he had=20 the best seat=20 > in the house? Or is the listener supposed to hear what the record=20 producer=20 > constructed for him to hear? Is the recording a faithful=20 reproduction or is=20 > technology part of the performance? What one hears on many of=20 today's recordings=20 > never existed in an actual performance. It was processed and=20 assembled in a=20 > recording studio.=20=20 >=20 > I'm not a purist. There is nothing wrong with marrying technology=20 and art.=20=20 > Walter/Wendy Carlos could not have done Switched On Bach without=20 multichannel=20 > recording. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 I hate the "purism" but there are cases... and cases. I think we must to try to reproduce the reality (the original High=20 Fidelity principle) instead any other thing. However, our very good problem is: THERE ISN'T TWO PEOPLE IN THE=20 WHOLE WORLD WHOM HEAR THE SAME IN THE SAME WAY!!! So, if one recording is so good to you, maybe is bad to me, and=20 maybe is tollerable to another person, and so, and on, and on, and=20 on. Someone said (I don't know who) the best recording is: 1) A flat audio frecuency curve from 30 to 15,000 HZ. 2) More than 60 DBS of signal to noise ratio. 3) Less than 0.1% of distortion (I've never known what kind of=20 distortion but I guess the THD spec). and... 4) THE MUSIC YOU LIKE, INSIDE. I think the last point is THE very important point in all this issue. Just my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 11:47:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40110 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 19:47:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 19:47:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 19:47:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 19:47:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 19:47:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:47:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <73F96D2C-34A7-4E5C-8CD4-549ECC099CA1@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.152 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} An AM Transmitter site issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=dVceigSms1lBYys-sxX-u-1qrci-Hn9D9jfi3_Q57f7nHq53GQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > >=20 > On Dec 22, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: >=20 > > And a unipole is not stable if the weather gets wet or dry=20=20 > > parameters change. >=20 > Yea, WKDY tried one and it SUCKED! It didn't take too long for=20 them to=20=20 > get enough of it and take it off of the Tower. >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 > Excuse my ignorance but, CAN WE USE A TOWER DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO=20 THE GROUND (a lightning conductor) AND USE IT AS A TUNIPOLE? I think about to reduce the risk of atmospheric rays/lightning=20 passing through the system and reach the TX. This question is intended to change our today "isolated from ground"=20 1/4 wave tower to another system. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 11:51:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77089 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 19:51:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 19:51:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 19:51:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 19:51:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2008 19:51:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:51:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.152 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=k_Ym5HUOoQsVIwtH9nmhwe-05BYGmBdM7VSUEwOYUH4QwbJU1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Welch" =20 wrote: > > Sorry, I forgot to sign that last post... >=20 > Bob at WSTJ > 1949-2009 "Celebrating 60 Years in St-Johnsbury, Vermont" > GREETINGS AND CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 13:51:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4697 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 21:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 21:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 21:51:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34304 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 21:51:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0nKyqsoVM1ncKRQzWFxu8w_.Y1uKCnThwLayq0lAf1zsFUZNaw2h1tuB5_oUfBLq0jaWgbM7QuQjMO2n3Noa.202tsH9AXKv7tQNBAYokB_gH94sYVO0hfwYeNE34trHT5N3GYTtprDQc7fcnhPSMkOjb8fMz8eyohO0B01MI0xwrOqj5tIEsoR_yEvlfkw1vBN1hc7DDZaF849vmPzScSIX37MhzE3BkH4g X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:51:19 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:51:19 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <32849.34071.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Xpaj1GKzsrmACRgtaqR28co9zXYEhi58-WiaXUqwgysSKglDe-oe X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah with the wheels so big and he car is jacked up high as a truck.=A0 Tho= se people are just completely studpid if you ask me.=A0 I know the type you= are talking about.=A0 They constantly ruin otherwise good cars. =A0 --- On Mon, 12/22/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 8:05 AM I am not certain how much Rap is in mono vs. stereo. I just know when one o= f=20 those boom wagons pulls up behind me at a stoplight, both my driver and=20 passenger side rear view mirrors seem to vibrate equally. Mike ************ ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,=20 Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol. com/?optin=3D new-dp&am= p; icid=3Daolcom40vanity &ncid=3D emlcntaolcom0000 0025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 13:53:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8506 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 21:53:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 21:53:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.57) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 21:53:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49051 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 21:53:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3gr5LeEVM1l3RIJ087vndHtcJmv7SxqP4FTmoB8qzkHFLR.8NTEJsweNrLrH.DWPJWXacpqbjd.PdeL9nC1OB9SG1160Yf9awY.C2g7e2HOMkjqhzHr5JmFa0XFu4S9bWd2MhkDqF3_HnjtIgG0W9AeKIh0rmFTsnETvhSoW4i5NhIBNTY6aAE.c3RID_K_GV8QEPISu1ntGMeswESva0JvZr42VcETsMskk X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:53:23 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:53:23 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <404286.47613.qm@web23202.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} What is wrong with cable music channels? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=KjNjz01TVZyvBYr48LwQG6reirQHctVL1ygCalfoxmmrJ5UeK_RF X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah I'm not big on the boxes at all.=A0 I've noticed though that even the = regular cable's stereo sound comes and goes.=A0 It's like it cannot lock on= to a stereo signal and just blends to mono.=A0 I've noticed this with every= thing including a normal 20 inch stereo television.=A0 The stereo signals a= re very bad.=A0 Are you with Charter?=A0 Thats who we are with on cable and= their sound isn't anything to write home about. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Mon, 12/22/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} What is wrong with cable music channels? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 8:12 AM I hate all the different remotes. The cable box audio outputs are adjustabl= e=20 with the remote volume control. Movies are fine. Rich, dynamic sound. Music on the soundtrack is great.=20 However, just selecting music only channels produces a much different resul= t.=20 Flat and lifeless, almost like background music. I can make loud or soft, b= ut=20 the character of the music doesn't change. Mike ************ ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,=20 Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol. com/?optin=3D new-dp&am= p; icid=3Daolcom40vanity &ncid=3D emlcntaolcom0000 0025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 13:55:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46611 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 21:54:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 21:54:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.59) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 21:54:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58309 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 21:54:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QtbSzvIVM1n8U38ZMOMgqqlQCxwy2dTj5fCE3UPgAIUbNqfCKafoebaPkPfvDWu5M4v5kl.ZSt45gZBvmF7RZvwAc612P26CgO6UEc3LUpgpwasHtK9xuUTAHLclmiynleSgmQS3FibVq5ySGHfC8VO8MO4jWbV7hhR3E.MvyGcN7tALwoBr3hTgoC9JkUv4G.bPQCZ9TFnj7AT9jUY8hddshZTRIbWDm2kI X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:54:58 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:54:58 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <231651.58162.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.59 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=nbVMicHHFfM0nAQyPp52AZ4mQDvswaM0vB4ZYrHmb4EFO1jFmYHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Haha well he is but of course he's an american citizen now.=A0 I think he w= as glad he got out of russia.=A0 It's just funny though to think about how = he and those other people in the band tried to pass themselves off as a mex= ican mariachi band!=A0 hahahha!=A0 It worked though! =A0 -Kevin --- On Mon, 12/22/08, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 8:20 AM In a message dated 12/22/2008 3:50:11 AM Central Standard Time,=20 clemsonbloke@ yahoo.co. uk writes: > Herb Alpert is actually from Russia. It's noted in those nice re-issues o= f=20 > his classic albums. Those babies have nice liner notes in them. >=20 >=20 My mother would have died if she knew that. I've never play anyed Tijuana=20 Brass records backwards for subliminal Commie messages. Never thought to.=20 Those Reds were really sneaky, weren't they? Mike ************ ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,=20 Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol. com/?optin=3D new-dp&am= p; icid=3Daolcom40vanity &ncid=3D emlcntaolcom0000 0025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 13:56:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79973 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 21:56:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 21:56:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 21:56:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45684 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 21:56:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PZtopYUVM1kQOyPZG4X1.7Jkcttebl60eXftLzpewHlNpRt0bjrYIiZlNAMWUFvy1ILhCQ1sfuXBW0hB.n9q.YwEikCEoxn_4YO_G.VW_PaQlos3wc_7JD8sYIAxy.tswPfW2gP1Tm4fqIeVaM_rV.hcKmO_V75HIJBdNmH8o4J8KRON6CC.6ahQBKiJqpbEjleqDc_.EL_4gQPoYuyoCBpqfXhPuzeKwjBL X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:56:27 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:56:27 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <340622.18021.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <508243.44544.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=g9GoCeTsYn4OsiRBhYUIjMWtR8_61u2lwdGmOMKq7XiXyhuZUdND X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Powell you are right, those old stylus's would damage the groove.=A0 I was = thinking that when I was writing that post and forgot to put it in there.= =A0 Well said. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 10:15 AM NNNN=20 > Mike, >=20 > No no actually back in those days there was the era where > you had some record players that were mono and some that > were stereo and originally they were incompatible. That is > the stylus's made for mono were not intended for Stereo > discs and vice versa.=20 It had to do that the old cartridges or stylus was not very compliant and w= ould ruin the grooves.=20 > I've read up on this. Later on > that changed and they were backwards and forwards > compatible. It was only a problem with earlier machines.=20 I expect it was the earlier CHEAP machines.... you know, the ones that trac= ked in pounds and we called them Rotory Record Reamers.=20 > The ping pong effect was not any remix, it was the original > way they recorded stereo. It was exagerrated because at > the time stereo was newer and they were pushing it.=20 I have some Enoch Light stereo recordings and they will make you sea sick f= ast...... :) They > really wanted to show that seperation. Now it is true that > many 45's were issued in mono. That was the order of > the day. Some bands did indeed record in mono because > stereo was more "expensive" to do as they say.=20 > Records were sent to radio stations in mono in those days > because there was no need for the higher price of stereo > because the music stations were on AM and of course in > mono. The ping pong effect is really a misnomer.=20 LOL, not for the early Enoch Light stuff.=20 Now, working at WKDK and we had to purchase a lot of 45's and so did I, I n= ever saw any stereo 45's until after the mid 60's.=20 Now I have a Harry James album, recorded in 1955, and the CD released is al= so in mono and they have the master tapes, so I guess it was full track mon= o. But the album DOES have variable groove spacing!!!! They did it early bu= t Columbia records took a long time to figure this out.=20 Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 13:57:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14817 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 21:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 21:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 21:57:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66366 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 21:57:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5OEvv8YVM1lJrC_TrjoEibEqVC9C2cVwd3yiGfzryTiY9Jqr5t14PHAbhZC9BmMnF2tDepXUZDgIWz698DpBxa0PONjz1P.iTyIL2iwLaTaOk85jxq9hJf9QsicqdHvwfVsNj77Ro00tNa47URp3McPrMxteBJ_2AbFn.FONuYetWZCvvNbHQxXZxEtdxtst_QxwIWremA9OGXRP92fKRQESOrcAJMh6gwg5 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:57:54 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:57:54 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <863335.96001.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <327613.66351.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=jSArzJapb2OIXKG8ODzwH6O-FQZwi3OuKUtGuUI7xKdqIkaIVcAl X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You're right about overprocessed FMs....Im with you on that.=A0 =A0 -Kevin --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 10:20 AM NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 12/22/08, clemsonbloke wrote: Talk on FM with a > stereo signal is a bad idea. Our talker here on FM is in > stereo. It sounds so much better when you hit the mono > switch. You eliminate a range penalty in mono, and you don't have multipath.=20 You don't have that annoying pilot tone in the > background. Some people can't hear it but I can.=20 If you can hear it your receiver is defective.=20 > think FM's that are talkers should broadcast strictly in > mono. It's just cleaner. I mean who cares if > commercials are in stereo?=20 There are some car radios that, in scan mode, won't stop on a mono signal. = And then there are some dumb station GM's that think if the stereo light sh= ows on the radio.... it has to be better. That goes along with the flame of= over processed FM's .....don't get me started on that one. Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 14:02:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27519 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 22:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 22:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 22:02:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69849 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 22:02:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3ot0SZYVM1lyXw8LOpoVCZZJ_xKmns2hfdXgbotqiNfjcy85.NDN9lGOCe6p6QY2P2816X2s0GYY4IVv8e1x_phqJESY75BZe_OHz34SBpSlImzGTJwwekdvAD8qhfbo4JKQwHRucLeQKgFmx7c30XYPI0QtDPtNpHk2vb3.HwYSJYc1Z38_Az1SXWvkShBGaix_vOT9Uu4GwHRkd4Sc X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:02:38 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:02:38 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <192533.69820.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=5qfn-efDWNrBl0ou4ibbz-KiO9C0Gw31Vvcg-pWxRKXasUYrjmAE X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan, =A0 Yeah I agree.=A0 I can hear that high too.=A0 Most people can't hear that h= igh and they think it's inaudible.=A0 The older you get (in most cases not = mine so far thank goodness!) you lose your high end hearing.=A0 I can hear = that tone.=A0 Especially if theres dead air.=A0 Drives me nuts.=A0 I'm a ra= re one though and have had my hearing tested.=A0 I always amaze the hearing= tester person because they have this shocked look on their face...."how ca= n he hear this!!"=A0 .=A0 It's hilarious.=A0 Anyway those tones will drive = you nuts.=A0 They will also drive Dolby Noise Reduction circuits nuts if yo= u are recording off the air with dolby switched in.=A0 Thats why so many ta= pe decks had that MPX filter.=A0 I have a deck with it and once you switch = that in the dolby works just fine.=A0 Nice results. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Mon, 12/22/08, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:21 PM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, clemsonbloke=20 wrote: > > Juan, > =A0 > And yes there are lots of mono crap in the air these days.=A0 I've=20 noticed that a lot of modern bands aren't recording so much in=20 stereo.=A0 If you listen to the modern rock stations theres some songs=20 that just have no stereo effect at all.=A0 Especially a lot of that=20 rap stuff is also in mono.=A0 You can tell because everything is just=20 totally centered.=A0 They need to learn to play with the pan pots on=20 the console more and give it some depth.=A0 I'm not fond of mono at=20 all except for talk.=A0 Talk on FM with a stereo signal is a bad=20 idea.=A0 Our talker here on FM is in stereo.=A0 It sounds so much better=20 when you hit the mono switch.=A0 You don't have that annoying pilot=20 tone in the background.=A0 Some people can't hear it but I can.=A0 I=20 think FM's that are talkers should broadcast strictly in mono.=A0 It's=20 just cleaner.=A0 I mean who cares if commercials are in stereo?=A0 It's=20 a talker for goodness sakes!=A0=20 > =A0 > -Kevin >=20 Hi Kevin!!! You have touched a very good point: THE FM 19 KHZ PILOT TONE!!! Yes, we can hear it, directly (or its subharmonics artifacts). AND=20 IT IS SO DISTURBING!! ! I guess and I'm sure this pilot tone is THE reason of the 99% of FM=20 Stereo distorted audio "on the air". I heard someone=20 saying: "increase the pilot to reach so far away". ??? Maybe you can=20 reach so, so far with the receiver stereo light on but... What about=20 the quality? Here, in chile, there is a lot of AM stations with FM Stereo co- channels, but the AM audio is taken from the FM Stereo audio (they=20 have a simple FM Stereo receiver tuned on their FM station). But I=20 don't like the idea because the typical FM pre-emphasis process.=20 This is the reason because I don't like the idea to work with an FM=20 Stereo composite STL to AM Stereo, I'd chosen a two discrete mono=20 STL system. Just my taste, of course. However, the FM Stereo audio is normally distorted here (Chile), so=20 that distortion is passed to the AM TX. I think it isn't good. I guess a very good Orban Optimod-FM digital (the last model)=20 doesn't have this problem. I can not to buy one, sorry!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 15:46:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3301 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 23:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2008 23:46:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 23:46:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88274 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2008 23:46:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TrFNPAkVM1lFBe2_orY_euiURZrmmuUs1eQQGNP960pWWxv6DHxwa2hW9zNlPLMa8foFsZbp6LbeG6q1UpuNMr9wblpV8GlMWKhF6CxRXdavWU51tK4F.urCu4x7RG9whM_caIVcScs0R.VutGZb6K0BFIbdE8nguKc8PUjGshXhybRoZaP7kNKv.oTKyV6EqI6scw36NJiPFnLQksFrT_3YwYzpCj6_JV4- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:46:28 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:46:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <937919.36185.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <940370.87364.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=qns9VXi1QhyWgjObYSnWQZZdjHvABfmKcp2QfgKNz_6Ifg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 He is also Muslim. And the A&M label? A=3DAlpert, M=3DMoss. G --- On Mon, 12/22/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 4:49 AM > Herb Alpert is actually from Russia.=A0 It's noted in > those nice re-issues of his classic albums. Those babies > have nice liner notes in them. > =A0 > =A0 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 12/21/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: >=20 > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 9:01 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > My mom though the Tijuana Brass was "Spanish > Music". >=20 > Mike >=20 > ************ ** > One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,=20 > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol. > com/?optin=3D new-dp& > icid=3Daolcom40vanity &ncid=3D emlcntaolcom0000 0025) >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Dec 22 16:09:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2242 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 00:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 00:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.184) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 00:09:31 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k50so3286084rnd.3 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:09:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.65.214.19 with SMTP id r19mr5509839qbq.20.1229990970350; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:09:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.77? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p30sm14795466qbp.17.2008.12.22.16.09.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:09:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <784421.28624.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:09:23 -0500 References: <784421.28624.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} An AM Transmitter site issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=GGwhyB9v3Y6QLpe6qYWxglmz7jSC6sbLinYmmFnvMXVG7q1FDK1H4WT-o5fxdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 22, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > The 5 wire one on WEAC 1500 in Gaffney is much more stable and works > great. Wonder how they screwed up the one in Spartanburg? Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 17:04:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64618 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 01:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 01:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 01:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 01:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 01:04:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:04:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.138 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A digital domain issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=UvQRsJC50HXe2ih5-Iofy_hsL-1Emv4IbJnC9Qa17kDQ3DmdfA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if someone in this forum knows about (or knows someone who=20 knows) the following issue: When we listen the typical Internet audio stream and/or the YouTube=20 audio, we find a lot of digital artifacts (due to the data=20 compression). When we save this audio in the PC and then we see an spectral view=20 of it, we can find that all those artifacs are just "holes" in the=20 high frecuencies (above 4,000 HZ). It is like randomly notch filters and it is intended to "cut" some=20 supposed "less important" frecuencies to save bytes. But, everybody=20 knows "the cure is worst than the illness". Of course, the "holes" are randomly in time (I suppose it is related=20 with the high spectrum energy, but I don't know if there is some=20 rule about it). I wonder if there is some software to fix it. I mean, a software=20 that automatically "fills" all those "holes" to try to mask the=20 awful original artifacts. Some idea? Of course, the only one solution is... TO NOT USE DIGITAL DATA=20 COMPRESSION!!! But... you know it is impossible with the today media. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 17:05:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32724 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 01:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 01:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.109) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 01:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.29] by n2.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 01:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.133] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 01:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp106.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 01:05:32 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 750824.82817.bm@omp106.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 19149 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 01:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.194.48 with plain) by smtp101.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 01:05:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .yOiCaUVM1kETXsz3H0xsdtEzF1Df_uwjOalnxax.ihPZcI7eimRbfdjtrxkV.M4WZeTWtK5Hqi79sDkmKoXYzaEhgeSAlofqwCR83erGDDxkuFU5ZBPijkOcirEExCLZNCR1fCMtLz2IvqubYoPYssVjDKZA68OCXKbX6gBhO1hN17e9woxM7rjwJPDHLEmBAT3qodgnKzNCUqniQk_rhzBzCPjcKZeqbE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: SuperadioIII@yahoogroups.com, Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America , amdx@lists.wtfda.info, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <2AEFF48C-D89C-46DD-B413-557AF0B50EA5@yahoo.com> References: <2078.65963.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:05:30 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.109 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Fwd: [ABDX] 1240 DX test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=ko9La6_VQEEOmXDMkRvALj82MAEYB_2EjF0tCa7KZCeHNmeiQg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Begin forwarded message: > From: JNR > Date: December 22, 2008 3:48:41 PM CST > To: ABDX > Subject: [ABDX] 1240 DX test > Reply-To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com > > Dave & I apologize. I just found out that due to a scheduling > error the DX test did NOT run yesterday morning. We're sorry that > it happened that way & he's ready to run another test whenever you > (the plural tense) want. It can be THIS Sunday or maybe one in > January. Again, sorry this happened or didn't happen as is the > case. Does this upcoming Sunday work or maybe one in January? > > Jay > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Dec 22 17:20:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18191 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 01:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 01:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 01:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEXARGBAPSHCZJ for (sender ); Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:20:01 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD667E1bfY65NAFdCfKUTFWQ= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N43DVBVE; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:19:38 PST X-Received: from [99.129.209.120] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:19:32 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:19:32 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081222.171932.27172.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 28:14:1927499358 X-MAIL-INFO:2b7d211491ad20d0056495f094b4edb4edf41df4c489f4dd89556400a9f9b150b17d99c0f9d02d3949652474b11d94d154c1b154ddc499c4948954217d154534d4c41915b9d964cde4cde4e5e9e5c0a0e500a049150405604df54df1959d60813d50a184a5d04de964e091a44d9100c095c064a09159f16170fd414515455d34555d3438153471706131a91d25ddc96554d41424d1f4a1d4dd54210d19f41930399d7561f4dd3979715d711904399d0160c1e1349d7104d54da41071a14d81bd29a5901090d00d64cdf07411d53d20c0706470e95920f04950b089a0b149f9f0f0c065a465f9f905f4f9d0b494fd6d54ddf4dd0131ed40 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.149|webmail09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=bYxP45QMqrAh_bY7fePN8qVTAYXvPRV9mxXzAke3Vg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Hey! Herb is a Jew born in LA in 1935. He attended Fairfax High School on t= he LA west side and later got a degree at USC in 1954. None of the Tijuana= Brass were Mexican. They were mostly Italian, a couple of Jews and one Goy= . Don -- george russell wrote: He is also Muslim. And the A&M label? A=3DAlpert, M=3DMoss. G --- On Mon, 12/22/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > From: clemsonbloke > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 4:49 AM > Herb Alpert is actually from Russia.=A0 It's noted in > those nice re-issues of his classic albums. Those babies > have nice liner notes in them. > =A0 > =A0 > -Kevin >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 12/21/08, mjgrant@aol.com > wrote: >=20 > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music stations on commercial AM band... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 9:01 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > My mom though the Tijuana Brass was "Spanish > Music". >=20 > Mike >=20 > ************ ** > One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,=20 > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol. > com/?optin=3D new-dp& > icid=3Daolcom40vanity &ncid=3D emlcntaolcom0000 0025) >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 17:37:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38120 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 01:37:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 01:37:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 01:37:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58446 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 01:37:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KoUZwV4VM1lma6nupR79GXU.l1SQ7QXrDpTk9p8XbeS37sT4CGlJ_pLd7lptzf47RsSPSvG_G6_pa6Dn_4h9a3yHvuzcBFOBR395_psGlvhZx9Rd4joLkVLzP8cAqQTGtxp8zuHCfhnWVx.25eHl7GXgW35gtirA.tO3I8F9UgUBbm_zO0izElndkOk- X-Received: from [209.213.19.180] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:37:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:37:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <102308.58175.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} An AM Transmitter site issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=dUHta1mQ5TwgVlYlmRhOLvStOs6r8XsSgk-FR3xXCrg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Yes, you still need the lightning spark gap... AND it won't work without a ground system, and it still will not be as stable as the 1/4 or so antenna that is not a unipole type. Powell > passing through the system and reach the TX. > > This question is intended to change our today > "isolated from ground" > 1/4 wave tower to another system. > > Thanks for your time!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 17:44:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42124 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 01:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 01:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 01:44:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60112 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 01:44:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AtE6qWoVM1lBhzpwDJVMLCSSGMi6XMT4Ug2hlvAlPo9JDCsFY.0sPNcE4YzIfj.ikUSGuodBq7NUwf.jcn5_wJJzpDDUUpm0P1n9jVcJTduGLAheY0yxJXUObJYybcet1EyDRjnWWZ9XAyYa_pYns007KMb1AtShbfevlYB2LAcwm4dbRbHcL4sq3LSMgnUYqPsw4KwokqW4nWO8P8gnfAa6srcc X-Received: from [209.213.19.180] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:44:45 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:44:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <407475.48744.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} An AM Transmitter site issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=b3-9ar05UAfGOLkCmwXnr4Un4oBjWmh376fB1jYLHIg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Who knows. It must not have been done as well. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Possum Hunter wrote: > > Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 7:09 PM > On Dec 22, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > The 5 wire one on WEAC 1500 in Gaffney is much more > stable and works > > great. > > Wonder how they screwed up the one in Spartanburg? From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 17:47:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58491 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 01:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 01:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 01:47:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61452 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 01:47:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Yyt26rIVM1lh0CHs8hjYoH7wuMsmb3YCCR9l0gH86rYkgS1S9AsBfYLF9wbndCKRuZuoY6Ys35BZYcyLeM7DC1WZ.vnyfAfjbB6vHZzRxR8mk0iXP02GVJ2ZC0Q0fAaRgu0gRciHMqoCZNukNBC2P.10q5L6uGlVj2eIpt5Gt1.tb0lPdWeuIA_AOwY- X-Received: from [209.213.19.180] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:47:21 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:47:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <649031.61294.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital domain issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Ip3g3_e_hg17_B1uFCN6IAB52mtodzKm-KNA3j9Pywg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW No it is not. Once gone it's gone. On your own HD or radio station, with storage being so dirt cheap there is NO reason WHATSOEVER for using any compression scheme in an important audio application. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > I wonder if there is some software to fix it. I mean, a > software > that automatically "fills" all those > "holes" to try to mask the > awful original artifacts. > > Some idea? > > Of course, the only one solution is... TO NOT USE DIGITAL > DATA > COMPRESSION!!! But... you know it is impossible with the > today media. From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Dec 22 17:55:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43589 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 01:55:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 01:55:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.230) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 01:55:17 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so2783568rvb.5 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:55:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.202.21 with SMTP id z21mr3494381rvf.68.1229997316874; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:55:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.0.0.77? ([64.241.37.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g31sm25842983rvb.4.2008.12.22.17.55.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:55:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <649031.61294.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:55:08 -0500 References: <649031.61294.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital domain issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Gnap5G9n-aRmvObAs5FEKRPEwSpV3jGBIU_lMITbU6Nq5KQiL0Ud-gM-Oorc2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 22, 2008, at 8:47 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > with storage being so dirt cheap there is NO reason WHATSOEVER for > using any compression scheme in an important audio application. It is OK to use compression like 25 KBPS encoded mp3 for FM Stereo air play, but should use ONLY uncompressed .WAV files for High Fidelity AM Broadcasts. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 18:00:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57238 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 02:00:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 02:00:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 02:00:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70780 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 02:00:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: y5bD2zQVM1l6P3jh8Wu3fgauRTWZCedCEU6zhpIzltSrBbD26DBw75A8IK2briMURdhrYUrGHa7fGIZyQ20yHI0oOMfZtqKX2ggo4siQaz5ApBAZY34G1cUqwG6ZlZ25jJQqDI1VUR9171fWAiIet6aosgOljfd7CJpuRsgrp1ckCA-- X-Received: from [72.241.176.83] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:00:14 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:00:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <561391.69395.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: An AM Transmitter site issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_LBtZABgzcdM2EWY6s5pkVKWrLbdaiaUUppYQFup1MJy0Q6i6E7HfjM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Didn't KFI put a tophat and/or skirt on their new 50KW tower?? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 18:01:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83739 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 02:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 02:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 02:01:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 519 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 02:01:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HyEJY.QVM1ka.EZOZcmFdUYFEvZzLuDLDYogyfSqcndtZmKtZUrBQScPinxSjI.5omjPkrC61knIqsOKHLMzMnc8V4PdRaIPlUVTb1m08oVq_l3m3WfRK6Y53l0yKkUhyi0OZut3LmJaN3cF_d10vQc0Q5F58YBRBU1t8fW9XHCP0w-- X-Received: from [72.241.176.83] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:01:41 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:01:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <207037.170.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Pester your favorite engineer time again! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=CADwJuUh7ODPuVoKVTfwAlTuM2QKnzsiyqLFW8K1rullFPfrWGagBac X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yep, call your local engineer that has an AM stereo exciter in the rack and ask him (or her) to fire-it up for Christmas so that their Christmas music programming is back in stereo for a day or two? Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas, John From jon@kenneke.com Mon Dec 22 18:05:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jon@kenneke.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48627 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 02:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 02:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO kenneke.com) (65.103.64.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 02:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from kenneke.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBN25S0F005513 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:05:28 -0800 X-Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by kenneke.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id mBN25SNE005510 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:05:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:05:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <207037.170.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <207037.170.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.7.4 (kenneke.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:05:28 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: 65.103.64.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jon Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pester your favorite engineer time again! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=77819664; y=rlIA04YskGAvGr7fme-IWpqqZ8g17ApfDBiO8W9e0nrUhc51cQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jonkenneke And I just sold that Kahn exciter.... ;) (actually, that's the truth. That monster took up half a rack) J On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, John P. wrote: > Yep, call your local engineer that has an AM stereo exciter in the rack and ask him (or her) to fire-it up for Christmas so that their Christmas music programming is back in stereo for a day or two? > Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas, > John > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Dec 22 18:12:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24497 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 02:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 02:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 02:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 02:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.226] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 02:12:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:12:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 203.161.90.201 From: "dandocker" Subject: Ex Perth AM Stereo Station 6IX now streaming via web. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=hxAwd-mDZzGuQGwYUnQz8GLMfNBQKrjK1IDM6hP78Zhtncr4 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Some of you may be interested to know that radio 6IX in Perth, Western Australia is now streaming live via the web. Have a listen to the playlist and think about how good this would have been if it had still been using CQuam (There is old an off air recording of this station in this groups files that was recorded when it still was stereo). This is an AM station transmitting at 2kW on 1080kHz. Audience percentage is about 5% of the market. There are 2 low power FM relays used in the far northern and southern suburbs of Perth that have a very small range. The internet stream has artefacts as it is only encoded at 64kbps, but you can get an idea. Regards, Dan From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 18:57:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84441 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 02:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 02:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.93) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 02:57:10 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.29] by n8.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 02:57:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.145] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 02:57:10 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp203.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 02:57:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 382890.18250.bm@omp203.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 88202 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 02:50:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.194.48 with plain) by smtp103.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 02:50:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: usI2GyAVM1kDUMgYTMsNqVOnr.YTZoKv9ePpCTELRHzNqFOcOdfUO7AyYKVPEuu45rdK8zZYFNkOn.WgxjNL81GwXWN6wQ42ez0H3dp8CPMzZQEPJj_yr66aFfp2ElNDCI57oQU4TDlyBDKqD9cquL2ADe_5zSS1ViCFLHUPBrarGU2vT0p.3ZF2X4ja2M5pUHrYuV8oo7hVsh9f6mCTTR2f X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:50:23 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Air America Says Fairness Doctrine Sucks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=dW-QDfbjkgBH9cJZfZP9zLDRL15yNPtabJm_g12iIdXGnRlidA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Limbaugh gets support from Air America 22 December, 2008 03:33:00 One of the founding executives of liberal radio network Air America=20=20 has taken to the pages of the Wall Street Journal to concur with Rush=20=20 Limbaugh. Jon Sinton said there is no more love for the Fairness=20=20 Doctrine on his side of the ideological spectrum than exists on=20=20 Limbaugh=92s side. Sinton didn=92t beat around the bush =96 he entitled his= =20=20 OpEd piece =93Limbaugh Is Right on the Fairness Doctrine.=94 =93As the founding president of Air America Radio, I believe that for=20=20 the last eight years Rush Limbaugh and his ilk have been cheerleaders=20=20 for everything wrong with our economic, foreign and domestic=20=20 policies,=94 wrote Sinton. =93But when it comes to the Fairness Doctrine, = =20 I couldn't agree with them more. The Fairness Doctrine is an=20=20 anachronistic policy that, with the abundance of choices on radio=20=20 today, is entirely unnecessary.=94 Sinton provided a history lesson, noting that the Doctrine was born=20=20 in 1949 when most markets outside the very largest cities were served=20=20 by only three or four AM stations, and it was crafted with the memory=20=20 of German Nazi propaganda fresh in everybody=92s memory. He said it=20=20 later became an issue not on music-oriented radio, but on television,=20=20 where talk-oriented political programming thrived. Sinton said that the very existence of Air America is predicated on=20=20 the demise of the Fairness Doctrine. Just as conservative news-talk=20=20 stations need to maintain a conservative format to hang on to core=20=20 listeners, Air America needed to do the same for liberal listeners. RBR/TVBR observation: There has been a lot of hot air expended on the=20=20 Fairness Doctrine lately, everywhere but the home of the prime=20=20 exporter of hot air: Capitol Hill. Every now and then a legislator=20=20 mentions it, but there still is no active movement to revive it, and=20=20 those who you=92d expect to be supporters, like Barack Obama (who=20=20 regularly jokes about Fox News Channel), Air America (witness this=20=20 article) and watchdogs like Common Cause all oppose its revival. We=20=20 do not expect it to be exhumed any time in the near future if ever. http://www.rbr.com/media-news/11968.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Dec 22 19:37:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57191 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 03:37:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 03:37:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 03:37:53 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail02.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.142]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEXAZHGAHU2YWJ for (sender ); Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:37:10 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD4nXb89N/3+Ry7Kxez+wGEE= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail02.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N43MQQFA; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:36:56 PST X-Received: from [99.129.209.120] by webmail02.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:36:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:36:49 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081222.193649.13406.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 15:7:569213269 X-MAIL-INFO:4f85119d1174747974807914b950c4214501893121609421c4d545d1d121f43d15217125cde991c00059adb5b99d9d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.142|webmail02.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Air America Says Fairness Doctrine Sucks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=o2FLbCgGVDgU2kBq1sHjU9u7G8frDJ4rujuS0l2uxw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn To my knowledge, Limbaugh has had little to say about the so-called Fairnes= s Doctrine. There has been a lot of noise from the pots and pans bangers of= talk radio, however.=20 Most of us all agree that the so called Fairness Doctrine is a dead issue. = The REAL problem is: The potential effort to redefine FCC =93localism=94 t= o give community activists the right to demand more local, liberal content.= If station ownership does not comply, then licenses will be revoked and gi= ven to minority owners who most probably will=20 go broke. Thus a return to the 1980s era of dark am stations. In any event a return to the so called Fairness Doctrine would compel stati= on programmers to include "conservative" issues in equal time access to any= "progressive" content. Compelled free speech does not pass the rest for re= al free speech. Most importantly: Few people would listen. We can all under= stand that people listen because they hear what they want. Without that we = are out of business. Don -- kevin redding wrote:=20 Limbaugh gets support from Air America 22 December, 2008 03:33:00 One of the founding executives of liberal radio network Air America=20=20 has taken to the pages of the Wall Street Journal to concur with Rush=20=20 Limbaugh. Jon Sinton said there is no more love for the Fairness=20=20 Doctrine on his side of the ideological spectrum than exists on=20=20 Limbaugh=92s side. Sinton didn=92t beat around the bush =96 he entitled his= =20=20 OpEd piece =93Limbaugh Is Right on the Fairness Doctrine.=94 =93As the founding president of Air America Radio, I believe that for=20=20 the last eight years Rush Limbaugh and his ilk have been cheerleaders=20=20 for everything wrong with our economic, foreign and domestic=20=20 policies,=94 wrote Sinton. =93But when it comes to the Fairness Doctrine, = =20 I couldn't agree with them more. The Fairness Doctrine is an=20=20 anachronistic policy that, with the abundance of choices on radio=20=20 today, is entirely unnecessary.=94 Sinton provided a history lesson, noting that the Doctrine was born=20=20 in 1949 when most markets outside the very largest cities were served=20=20 by only three or four AM stations, and it was crafted with the memory=20=20 of German Nazi propaganda fresh in everybody=92s memory. He said it=20=20 later became an issue not on music-oriented radio, but on television,=20=20 where talk-oriented political programming thrived. Sinton said that the very existence of Air America is predicated on=20=20 the demise of the Fairness Doctrine. Just as conservative news-talk=20=20 stations need to maintain a conservative format to hang on to core=20=20 listeners, Air America needed to do the same for liberal listeners. RBR/TVBR observation: There has been a lot of hot air expended on the=20=20 Fairness Doctrine lately, everywhere but the home of the prime=20=20 exporter of hot air: Capitol Hill. Every now and then a legislator=20=20 mentions it, but there still is no active movement to revive it, and=20=20 those who you=92d expect to be supporters, like Barack Obama (who=20=20 regularly jokes about Fox News Channel), Air America (witness this=20=20 article) and watchdogs like Common Cause all oppose its revival. We=20=20 do not expect it to be exhumed any time in the near future if ever. http://www.rbr.com/media-news/11968.html From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 20:04:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88549 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 04:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 04:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 04:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 04:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.73] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 04:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 04:04:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 134497.39489.bm@omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 73198 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 04:04:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.194.48 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 04:04:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 91N1UBMVM1m8JU6OEBcENnOhZwCxyDsj8mGLk.dqGFCXOSRiITg9FoQ8YLKh9jFmaH.N4RvdW.cQ8NVn225THDf2tXlAoL0vm1qW2kqmktTIFskej62jWN5_V0XOw457k.bA3YQV9PgAppkRdls3hv5WBTh3bo2XpZkSU..ltB0t.EUQ4mZvQN57G1o- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081222.193649.13406.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> References: <20081222.193649.13406.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1D849062-CE3E-4AAF-9EBE-65313044AFC3@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:04:56 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Air America Says Fairness Doctrine Sucks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=GyUhm_SZObvY-YQqdmIteFaXtX_v-uP-QAhYQxiXNa19mZ4_jQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > To my knowledge, Limbaugh has had little to say about the so-called=20=20 > Fairness Doctrine. There has been a lot of noise from the pots and=20=20 > pans bangers of talk radio, however. I have heard him many times in the past speak to the subject. > The REAL problem is: The potential effort to redefine FCC=20=20 > =93localism=94 to give community activists the right to demand more=20=20 > local, liberal content. Don, I think you are missing the big flick [picture] here. The=20=20 lefties don't like the idea. Time to listen up to both sides. One mo' time.... Us lefties don't like the Fairness Doctrine. The only ones talking=20=20 about your localism or the Fairness Doctrine are the dumbass right=20=20 wing talk jocks. They have to have something to keep the right=20=20 wingers off thinking about how they have become mostly irrelevant and=20=20 how badly their party fucked up things to cause them to get smoked=20=20 shitless in the last election. Gotta keep them Republican true believing kool-aid drinkers scared so=20=20 they will be blind and keep voting against their own best interests. No need for the Fairness Doctrine. The dumbass right wing talk jocks=20=20 are going to implode soon enough. No one wants to hear it anyway.=20=20 People never really wanted it. Point is that as soon as iPods came=20=20 out people ate them up because they could hear music without any crap=20=20 they didn't want to hear. Put on great music in stereo no matter what band and you will have=20=20 the most listeners and the most money. But then, you already knew that. Kevin From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Dec 22 21:17:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64676 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 05:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 05:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 05:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 05:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 05:17:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:17:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20081222.193649.13406.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.146.14.229 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: Air America Says Fairness Doctrine Sucks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=MnwD4jSGhLmwCCuxuNceDzkKCP5lieu6DhsafbzQXjUBEr8 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 wrote: > > To my knowledge, Limbaugh has had little to say about the so-called=20 Fairness Doctrine. There has been a lot of noise from the pots and=20 pans bangers of talk radio, however.=20 >=20 > Most of us all agree that the so called Fairness Doctrine is a dead=20 issue. The REAL problem is: The potential effort to redefine=20 FCC "localism" to give community activists the right to demand more=20 local, liberal content. If station ownership does not comply, then=20 licenses will be revoked and given to minority owners who most=20 probably will=20 > go broke. Thus a return to the 1980s era of dark am stations. >=20 > In any event a return to the so called Fairness Doctrine would=20 compel station programmers to include "conservative" issues in equal=20 time access to any "progressive" content. Compelled free speech does=20 not pass the rest for real free speech. Most importantly: Few people=20 would listen. We can all understand that people listen because they=20 hear what they want. Without that we are out of business. >=20 > Don >=20 Don, The "phony Outrage" to the alleged Fairness Doctrine is coming to=20 light. It was bantered around by George Will in a recent column, with=20 no sources to back up his concern. It was brought up by the "second=20 tier" right wing talkers to have something to rally the trooops. As=20 with most of the "pap' they spew, it is a groundless and baseless=20 issue. I have heard Hannity and the so-called "Libertarian" Neal=20 Boorz crying like Hogs caught in a gate about this. This to me is=20 lazy as they should have either better producers or a better think=20 thank to get their talking points from. It's not going to happen. I must disagree concerning the AM stations of the 80's versus=20 today...putting your "localism issue" aside just for now.....Being=20 employed in Broadcasting from the early Eighties till now, Stations=20 made a WHOLE lot more money back then, even with the right wing talk=20 shows on AM presently. All I have to do is look at the numbers of=20 Radio people employed then compared to now...not even close.... I am not familair with the localism issue to be honest, so I will not=20 comment now. Talk DID save AM radio, but it still made more money then (80s). I=20 guess Talk just saved it from dying sooner. There's much talk jumping=20 to FM now. It's just a matter of time. Juan From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Dec 22 21:24:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60060 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 05:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 05:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost04.isp.att.net) (207.115.11.54) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 05:24:24 -0000 X-Received: from owner2d075f959 (adsl-146-14-229.mia.bellsouth.net[70.146.14.229]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20081223052423H0400593o0e>; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:24:23 +0000 To: References: <20081222.193649.13406.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> <1D849062-CE3E-4AAF-9EBE-65313044AFC3@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1D849062-CE3E-4AAF-9EBE-65313044AFC3@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:24:22 -0500 Organization: Q Media Hot 100, LAZR, 1003. KOOL Message-ID: <010a01c964be$b7327170$25975450$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Aclks6EC8VSc03vFRYOt+e/Y6JQqbQACkTGw Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: 207.115.11.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda Q Media" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Air America Says Fairness Doctrine Sucks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=YQaL2b4qR6ZLVqDVmYn6JQdg0g3JDjO57dTSEsBhEpHHvAU X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Kevin said........... One mo' time.... Us lefties don't like the Fairness Doctrine. The only ones talking about your localism or the Fairness Doctrine are the dumbass right wing talk jocks. They have to have something to keep the right wingers off thinking about how they have become mostly irrelevant and how badly their party fucked up things to cause them to get smoked shitless in the last election. Gotta keep them Republican true believing kool-aid drinkers scared so they will be blind and keep voting against their own best interests. No need for the Fairness Doctrine. The dumbass right wing talk jocks are going to implode soon enough. No one wants to hear it anyway. People never really wanted it. Point is that as soon as iPods came out people ate them up because they could hear music without any crap they didn't want to hear. Put on great music in stereo no matter what band and you will have the most listeners and the most money. But then, you already knew that. Kevin Kevin, I responded before I read your reply. Well said....especially "Kool Aid" and "irrelevant". Juan From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 23:05:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31641 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 07:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 07:05:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 07:05:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64476 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 07:05:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4dBer7MVM1nFZ7.neA._hgMONZGsIFPjfS8nru9MYF.DcGuatywfIep3.zMO8fZSgS9yAM7SdqqaQcXqT0fvcau_lmqJ9AXmoNSyBJwJyxolqEV0YothHB_gxCWwC6TIvPuE0cpKRHwHAQLMo6fJVmafsR7YwTSLel2lZadw83gjl7uea9LSL0Wesq678NPlR1CmHlFFPKPCs46z6wF6y7AiWxhEg.nQPVUw X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:05:30 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:05:30 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <496130.63993.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital domain issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=cry9v2pcxTMjhtfClXjt0e_fSn3DtGBi8tnh-Tq-yLkou7qQsSRm X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan, =A0 No once it's recorded that way theres no way to recover those "holes" becau= se they simply are not there.=A0 That information is gone.=A0 I have a degr= ee in digital production and I can tell you that there is software that exi= sts that is used in industry that will record very good quality in low bit = rate.=A0 It uses different technology than the normal MP3 its MP3PRO.=A0 Yo= u can record something in 96 kbps and it sounds about the same as 128 but i= t will only work in certain software packages.=A0 It's a professional syste= m.=A0 You find things like this in Adobe Audition and Soundforge.=A0 I use = Audition but I still record MP3's as the same industry standard of 320 Kbps= .=A0 320 is for broadcast.=A0 You really need a good computer with industry= software, a good processor, and lots of ram to fool around with a lot of r= ecording and do it well.=A0 The problem with those low bit rate MP3's as yo= u've discovered is that a lot of information is gone from the original source.=A0 The computer disregards and doesn't record signals that aren't = audible.=A0 Anything that isn't used or needed for it is thrown out.=A0 Als= o it cuts your high end.=A0 You are trying to squeeze something into a smal= ler space so there is always going to be a sacrifice in quality.=A0 Now tha= t being said if you had Audition or Soundforge or some other editing softwa= re you might be able to boost your high end frequencies a bit BUT that will= sound like crap.=A0 You'll hear more of the digital artifacts and crud tha= t is masked in the high end.=A0 It shows up there more prevalent.=A0 You'll= start hearing that whispering wispy sound that will drive you nuts.=A0 The= best thing to do with a normal setup is don't accept files below 128 kbps.= =A0 That should be reasonable enough for oldies and some top 40.=A0 If you = are recording things like orchestration, horns, etc then go for higher rate= s or you'll see 128's limitations too.=A0 I don't do anything below 196 kbp= s and that is rare.=A0 Most times if I use MP3 it's at 320 kbps.=A0=20 =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Mon, 12/22/08, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: {AMSF} A digital domain issue To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 8:04 PM Hi Gang!!! I wonder if someone in this forum knows about (or knows someone who=20 knows) the following issue: When we listen the typical Internet audio stream and/or the YouTube=20 audio, we find a lot of digital artifacts (due to the data=20 compression) . When we save this audio in the PC and then we see an spectral view=20 of it, we can find that all those artifacs are just "holes" in the=20 high frecuencies (above 4,000 HZ). It is like randomly notch filters and it is intended to "cut" some=20 supposed "less important" frecuencies to save bytes. But, everybody=20 knows "the cure is worst than the illness". Of course, the "holes" are randomly in time (I suppose it is related=20 with the high spectrum energy, but I don't know if there is some=20 rule about it). I wonder if there is some software to fix it. I mean, a software=20 that automatically "fills" all those "holes" to try to mask the=20 awful original artifacts. Some idea? Of course, the only one solution is... TO NOT USE DIGITAL DATA=20 COMPRESSION! !! But... you know it is impossible with the today media. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 23:08:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62651 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 07:08:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 07:08:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.61) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 07:08:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34717 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 07:08:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Tn9fO.sVM1mTHFRTqCmLU4jUPcEH.AtncmAAxHHR9hFbBTK7XPw6WHwLmIVw21.e7ben_xq5_GtpvZws3Pn9OU_Wiwh7Sot68p52vcaz3Eh6VBJ3rKGdSjQKiuQogNu..f.vGSltjeznnTvkByXX46uogqwjJbo_xy5p7TojNmbX_8QeuE7RPHdcLQ.yF9kb8BAPv.A4hy9sG2WfGQwbJ8hFWj9A3wZ0Ksji X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:08:22 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:08:22 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <649031.61294.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <868866.33794.qm@web23206.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital domain issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=zw2J4cIUxAr3VvZGw3838k_yiiunREbbnvM9CZJ8PU5n9GQSvHP2 X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed 100% storage space shouldnt be a problem.=A0 There is no reason for = broadcasters to use crappy bit rates.=A0 It should be presented as a profes= sional should with clear clean sound.=A0 I don't know why some stations do = low bit rates.=A0 Powell one thing I've noticed too is I think some are enc= oding some songs in mono.=A0 I've listened to a song on one station then he= ar the same song on anotehr station and it sounds much better and in stereo= whereas on the previous one it was in mono.=A0 Both channels were being re= ceived strongly too.=A0 I think whoever is encoding their music sometimes i= sn't paying attention to what they are doing and just clicking on the mono = encoding. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital domain issue To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 8:47 PM No it is not. Once gone it's gone. On your own HD or radio station, with st= orage being so dirt cheap there is NO reason WHATSOEVER for using any compr= ession scheme in an important audio application. Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 > I wonder if there is some software to fix it. I mean, a > software=20 > that automatically "fills" all those > "holes" to try to mask the=20 > awful original artifacts. >=20 > Some idea? >=20 > Of course, the only one solution is... TO NOT USE DIGITAL > DATA=20 > COMPRESSION! !! But... you know it is impossible with the > today media. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 23:11:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27009 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 07:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 07:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 07:11:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2714 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 07:11:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .Hud0NgVM1knYxy37E_bh_XKXwSibJ4dI9e_Fm1.Jbb05qzPP8glIGfCMqaehMSEocHlS7N.2fSB9hbRNaakGCb7cWoXsHiD9W.Qs0c0g3LhSPONuDDe.UAEhgVjNXx.6Xdqe6pp41F4TZQk_KTmlb1ktlaCMmMa1jB4Ou1PxJsI9dSEDBTubzz2NRiWDZ8eqP9suFSM7PGBf7Dsa19QDa13eILWT.vZCTvF X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:11:12 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:11:12 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <25190.98627.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital domain issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=o6tMsUQO73HqZso1JmrL-6pF9QWRk4lvNQysIxTbOYAGqbCoV6ru X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Possum , =A0 True but then there are limitations on talk too.=A0 I've noticed some recor= d their podcasts in that low bitrate but on some peoples voices it isn't as= clear as it should be and gets a little too muffled.=A0 WORD here in green= ville records Russ and Lisa sometimes in very low bitrates.=A0 I've checked= it and it varies.=A0 One day it might be ok quality then the next be very = bad quality.=A0 I think they need more consistency.=A0 I'd like talk to be = at least in 96 kbps where its not muddy.=A0 96 isnt bad to do and as Powell= said storage shouldnt be a problem for modern radio stations since storage= space is so cheap now. =A0 -Kevin --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Possum Hunter wrote: From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital domain issue To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 8:55 PM On Dec 22, 2008, at 8:47 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > with storage being so dirt cheap there is NO reason WHATSOEVER for=20 > using any compression scheme in an important audio application. It is OK to use compression like 25 KBPS encoded mp3 for FM Stereo air=20 play, but should use ONLY uncompressed .WAV files for High Fidelity AM=20 Broadcasts. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 23:14:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36562 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 07:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 07:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.58) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 07:14:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60641 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 07:14:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FdyKQlUVM1lClLvX_9NAAuIKmuE1yoyMTW9fybC4jCvRz4exqfTGoMyZzgy1GqbDRKR0xn7b2h2qwwOXMvfO6WNFpEXTvz1mn40LBnPjjYdx7AAJmTSVTq2b.CnlEWyYyalWfSiiW7KQfpOmdocfvCYBz9mBozlu4iVgd6cE7h0I8F8- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:14:19 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:14:19 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <99958.60105.qm@web23203.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.58 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: David Ruffin X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=1RZsqYxni3hjxPpnxlAigYl1DRidFLfcYsJq-KlEHkHLQWE1fUSx X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Does anyone like David Ruffin? I think that man wasn't given enough credit for his talent. I know he had a drug problem when he died and that the temptations fired him back in the late 60's but damn that man had a great voice. A lot of his music is hard to find but recently ive discovered some and he really had some nice soulful work. Too bad he never got the recognition he deserved musically. I know he beat the hell out of Tammi Terrel when he dated her and pretty much any woman he dated but damn that man could sing! -Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 22 23:16:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85422 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 07:16:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 07:16:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 07:16:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19095 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 07:16:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6XgO_FsVM1mb2GmjMJ1uE0S4tDEdg33lYo90ljijV.BK1TQQl2yMKGju9Z6KHTzC8qZXtXyKC8tqaZ1_mUWeIXqrOX.DR..Wz8kbf1tEezvYlhcKgcvx3gI2R_9_gjsFsReeAmQ0p_fJgs8g.YC3yt7k9UG33DsZ4fuweV9.exfSyPQ- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:16:24 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:16:24 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <689902.18768.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: WKDK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=e4AFYvxaZLTq3xqbTCOE7XH5wpG7FaEPQ2b_wPsuPw957RcVCF-- X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Powell, Yall ever had guest DJ's? I'd love to come do that sometime if yall do. Play some good oldies. haha I bet you enjoy it! Anyway I meant to say Merry Christmas in the last email. Merry Christmas to all on the list guys I forgot to say it in the last posts. -Kevin Greenville, SC From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 23:26:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2209 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 07:26:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 07:26:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.244) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 07:26:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49530 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 07:26:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CIkcIKgVM1kjNGPgdMOSOBKiXt3IYT7iplgoD.YoLHEI7WO.p3LyWCyZaSsFBZpW_zXNThFY5asATtnUKhgBeM5EYJLK8rKpT9mRX6sA.q5ixVRLIdK8JFjULhZ2MAHyp9Le3CBsrhWrchEPi0UGKjVFVpo6pNG0rM.C5Q.b88fB.zb4ErPBRoUBc7KHafuqZbEzRH91M.BtexohgA4zyffNgLVDg1vKoc79N9ZeMqPYBAFW X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:26:40 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:26:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <478433.48936.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pester your favorite engineer time again! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=VhAj7fWwE2yXKF1RyzSsbE-q8O_IL_olch8IMTRCi0scimNXvedw X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Coulda given it to Juan in Chile!=A0 He could've hooked it up @ CC-126!=A0 = No F.C.C. to tell him no & apparently to be kosher all he'd have to do is g= rease the right palms (or maybe the left ones too)! Jay --- On Mon, 12/22/08, jon wrote: From: jon Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pester your favorite engineer time again! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 9:05 PM =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 And I just sold that Kahn exciter.... ;) (actually, that's the truth. That monster took up half a rack) J On Mon, 22 Dec 2008, John P. wrote: > Yep, call your local engineer that has an AM stereo exciter in the rack a= nd ask him (or her) to fire-it up for Christmas so that their Christmas mus= ic programming is back in stereo for a day or two? > Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas, > John > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links > > > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 09:48:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46265 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 17:48:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 17:48:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 17:48:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13988 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 17:48:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ppt.oe8VM1n.HrqSmdG_mXH5PYEiQvdVvYVD0_wFLmsBmkqsnnsj3M7DMijuKHNCCzqhwSKZlrJVcbXKx5Y4ufTyYem72CCgX17Qnu7C8bDyhhhUtCJz95Wgy3x7.j92.4gBjoTZ8Y8arReOADw7b6nConzTo3RsTMFMLoW7biYUUCIN81Y.Pvyxb6zxbqyvFx7I9SvPqicJVp4qYuv_G5GhYO9L X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:48:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:48:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <303281.13321.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital domain issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=cR4xiOl8EccJTbtUOYSDFnvUse6xlpknuXZJC6cZibU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NOT if you have ANYthing else digital in the path, such as a STL. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 12/22/08, Possum Hunter wrote: >> On Dec 22, 2008, at 8:47 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > > with storage being so dirt cheap there is NO reason > WHATSOEVER for > > using any compression scheme in an important audio > application. > > It is OK to use compression like 25 KBPS encoded mp3 for FM > Stereo air > play, but should use ONLY uncompressed .WAV files for High > Fidelity AM > Broadcasts. From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 10:41:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25837 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 18:41:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 18:41:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 18:41:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68057 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 18:41:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XvAmY7MVM1n_SNi9oaE594wSSpikF2BwpJhJwijr9scUAyD3NmoNliLGqnStDOpqhDw1.vaT5qK5vk._8W0QPH2JaPfdtXtR0YUFz8Hsy.O2XO8ztEN6DRJKXruG7RZzstZQSV0Guer9kEPS8tv2q0YiCrNSoPxVtoQiMkCLYhrH.IJrNt1SEjxuwcIgk2K3Bx3F69mJI8WyVr8Rl596jiv2.e3CPTA- X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:41:50 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:41:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <689902.18768.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <556833.67716.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WKDK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=vSS6ICAsBREbW-QVJ4pzRfqqnD3QJJ01DxCm5y0zIvE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 12/23/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Yall ever had guest DJ's? Not really, as my playlists are automated. IF we had a workstation in the production room that could free up the control room. If I had a free control room, I could do afternoons live, buta I have lots of weekend programs to rip into the computer. I will be doing that FRIDAY this week. I'm too busy to enjoy it, but you are welcome to come down, but arrange it well in advance. I may get you to record my weather for me... AND Merry Christmas, Happy New Year to everyone. Powell From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 14:03:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35987 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 22:03:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 22:03:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 22:03:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 22:03:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 22:03:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:03:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <496130.63993.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.101 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital domain issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=MQ_5Un504Uj-TyO2WEqX-9CcH-pl4QH1De0SyzadxdGWL1E1FA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke=20 wrote: > > Juan, > =A0 > No once it's recorded that way theres no way to recover=20 those "holes" because they simply are not there.=A0 That information=20 is gone.=A0 I have a degree in digital production and I can tell you=20 that there is software that exists that is used in industry that=20 will record very good quality in low bit rate.=A0 It uses different=20 technology than the normal MP3 its MP3PRO.=A0 You can record something=20 in 96 kbps and it sounds about the same as 128 but it will only work=20 in certain software packages.=A0 It's a professional system.=A0 You find=20 things like this in Adobe Audition and Soundforge.=A0 I use Audition=20 but I still record MP3's as the same industry standard of 320 Kbps.=A0=20 320 is for broadcast.=A0 You really need a good computer with industry=20 software, a good processor, and lots of ram to fool around with a=20 lot of recording and do it well.=A0 The problem with those low bit=20 rate MP3's as you've discovered is that a lot of information is gone=20 from the original > source.=A0 The computer disregards and doesn't record signals that=20 aren't audible.=A0 Anything that isn't used or needed for it is thrown=20 out.=A0 Also it cuts your high end.=A0 You are trying to squeeze=20 something into a smaller space so there is always going to be a=20 sacrifice in quality.=A0 Now that being said if you had Audition or=20 Soundforge or some other editing software you might be able to boost=20 your high end frequencies a bit BUT that will sound like crap.=A0=20 You'll hear more of the digital artifacts and crud that is masked in=20 the high end.=A0 It shows up there more prevalent.=A0 You'll start=20 hearing that whispering wispy sound that will drive you nuts.=A0 The=20 best thing to do with a normal setup is don't accept files below 128=20 kbps.=A0 That should be reasonable enough for oldies and some top 40.=A0=20 If you are recording things like orchestration, horns, etc then go=20 for higher rates or you'll see 128's limitations too.=A0 I don't do=20 anything below 196 kbps and > that is rare.=A0 Most times if I use MP3 it's at 320 kbps.=A0=20 > =A0 > -Kevin > =A0 Hi Kevin!!! Let me don't agree with you about the "holes". Yes, you're right: the ORIGINAL information is gone, yes, absolutely=20 right. BUT... What was it? It was just sound!!! In other words:=20 audio frecuencies with some frecuency, level and duration. If we can mix two analog audio sources (for example: 1 and 2 KHZ)=20 and get more than the only two originals (we can distort the mixdown=20 to get a full band between 1 and 2 KHZ), and if we can do it in the=20 analog domain, WHY WE COULDN'T DO IT IN THE DIGITAL DOMAIN? Think: it is just a random example, let's suppose we have a great=20 hole (due to the MP3 encoding process) in exactly 4,500 HZ, and this=20 hole is 1 second long and the hole has -90 DBS, we just need to get=20 the PC "fills" the hole with a 1 second long and 90 DBS above the=20 botton of the hole synthesized audio got from the two immediately=20 adjacents frecuencies and with the enough distortion to fill the=20 whole hole band!!! That's all!!! Of course, the recovering process would be slowest (due to the lot=20 of holes present in the standard bad MP3 recordings)... maybe (I'm=20 not sure because today we have enough faster PCs). But I think it=20 would be not too slow at all. You live in USA, "THE" computerland (or kingdom) of the world, so...=20 you can get some good team of advanced computer guys and get it. I'm=20 sure it is possible. And I'm sure a lot of people will thank you so=20 much because... YOU WILL HAVE SAVED THE WORLD OF THE BADLY MP3 BAD=20 CODING SOUND!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 23 14:03:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40292 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 22:03:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 22:03:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 22:03:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11005 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 22:03:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Bqpqi7sVM1nD6uIPm76hiHyUwgokSHj.2hJjlcsPZww_hP5rCDw- X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:02:59 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:02:59 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <556833.67716.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <165808.10870.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} WKDK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=20Kh_zCn34wienw21ukjRm5INf-FjvNLEdNt4SP3doA8Li8rDdUj X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Powell, =A0 Understood.=A0 Yeah so much is automated these days it takes a lot of the l= ive fun out of it.=A0 I wish I had been old enough to have been on radio wh= en you had more latitude to play what you wanted than just the standard 20-= 100 songs that pop stations play today.=A0 It must have been fun back in th= e late 60's. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} WKDK To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 1:41 PM NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 12/23/08, clemsonbloke wrote: > Yall ever had guest DJ's?=20 Not really, as my playlists are automated. IF we had a workstation in the p= roduction room that could free up the control room. If I had a free control= room, I could do afternoons live, buta I have lots of weekend programs to = rip into the computer. I will be doing that FRIDAY this week.=20 I'm too busy to enjoy it, but you are welcome to come down, but arrange it = well in advance. I may get you to record my weather for me... AND Merry Christmas, Happy New Year to everyone. Powell =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 14:12:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13222 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 22:12:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 22:12:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 22:12:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 22:12:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 22:12:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:12:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <478433.48936.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.101 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pester your favorite engineer time again! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=hVAWhvqInwBEBoX-jAXJn9GIA_lXst-jNbr08xwNLnvs4aw05A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Coulda given it to Juan in Chile!=A0 He could've hooked it up @ CC- 126!=A0 No F.C.C. to tell him no & apparently to be kosher all he'd=20 have to do is grease the right palms (or maybe the left ones too)! >=20 > Jay >=20 I wouldn't be bad!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Seriously: I've never liked the original Kahn system (too much hard=20 and complicated to get a good +-45=BA phasing network). I prefer the=20 two balanced modulators and sideband filters system. Of course, everybody knows there will be not any receiver to "catch"=20 it. If someone has enough luck and get some "decent" C-QUAM receiver=20 today, it would be an "heroic feat"!!! However... LONG LIFE TO THE OLD ANALOG AM!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 14:22:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14557 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 22:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 22:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 22:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 22:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2008 22:22:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:22:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.101 From: "jotape1960" Subject: AM vs FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=TBQdc8Ev7FMLIYwc8-aMZD0g0Rn3RzctPZq92IvuGBBUZxqKXw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! From time to time my endemic laziness lets my neurons think. And now=20 I wonder why there are cases where the AM sound is better than the=20 FM sound (not always, of course). I don't have a reasonable answer. Maybe the absence of the infamous 75 usec pre-emphasis? ??? Maybe the absence of any frecuency above 10 KHZ? ??? Maybe the absence of any other information than the main mono=20 audio? ??? Maybe the use of a mono STL, which doesn't have any extra=20 information? ??? All the statements before? I don't know. Does somebody have an answer? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 23 15:56:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85223 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 23:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 23:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 23:56:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32223 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 23:48:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5wb0InAVM1ktnvpRA4NfdBY8_1BnmZWpmhAp3T4rsB_xJhLsyrUpPx9HIo.EyF.9TMMWxMqFP3ez.p7ie7sAd08qqcklSN5YLYyEZMXsSrtQq8ILqmNcOQGU.HnOthLVIrM1ss4bSdf0lIiyeG0T6FeIgV3MCQC5SNf0SThRzOKH8kKfbvwb7pAgZ2seDd5snq8sH7dyRhvBhuwK6e1coRKW8YfHYkEz9Ckq X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:48:40 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:48:40 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <60616.31952.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM vs FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=w77ifGU5t6UgdwRWY6e7dFAsl4gjSv6rKLuJVSsW-b8W5eVwrOkc X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's been said somewhere that AM actually can be superior to FM but its all= those FCC regulations that prevents it from being its full glory.=A0 I've = read somewhere that AM is capable of 20hz-20khz response.=A0 With AM I feel= they never fully researched and exploited the technology to its fullest ca= pabilites.=A0 Amplitude Modulation can be quite good if we were allowed to = do it the right way! =A0 -Kevin --- On Tue, 12/23/08, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: {AMSF} AM vs FM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 5:22 PM Hi Gang!!! From time to time my endemic laziness lets my neurons think. And now=20 I wonder why there are cases where the AM sound is better than the=20 FM sound (not always, of course). I don't have a reasonable answer. Maybe the absence of the infamous 75 usec pre-emphasis? ??? Maybe the absence of any frecuency above 10 KHZ? ??? Maybe the absence of any other information than the main mono=20 audio? ??? Maybe the use of a mono STL, which doesn't have any extra=20 information? ??? All the statements before? I don't know. Does somebody have an answer? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 23 15:58:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78172 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2008 23:58:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2008 23:58:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.60) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2008 23:58:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76771 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2008 23:46:20 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6OnolM0VM1mvxby4Dj6J1XWT8Y6jh35pMn9lFERZF9F64msIU5BF5ULbaCMnYAKwX.jYftpk9Uij.KeJujDd1e5XCesklCpVdgj6P3UdPIT02SGD.kTftEDaI3_bb8UiARS1ccGgBnnrMZFgm9mfX5I5pwVE4M2xASiJIrcn8gZoDibdTEaDJCNdyntkJ1Gz0jCU.uzXeJn3e5skj2bY X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:46:20 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:46:20 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <653164.76379.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital domain issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=HcIvsdyyAxoik07lVYMpNeFfOLz2ZDXk1PjxJzZUmFIQjCgiLB1Y X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure I understand what you mean but I can assure you that once you = lose something its gone and cannot be reconstructed artificially in any way= .=A0 The best thing to do is record in a decent bit rate and you'll be ok.= =A0 The US as computerland?=A0 I have to disagree because I think Japan pro= bably has us beat technologically.=A0 We have Blu Ray players here but no B= lu Ray recorders except for the PC.=A0 Theres no plans accoring to indsutry= to release a blu ray recorder for television either so they say.=A0 They a= lready have blu ray recorders for your tv though in Japan so they are ahead= of us.=A0 Japan is the technology mecca when it comes to audio and video.= =A0 I'd love to be able to shop in their stores and just look around!=A0 We= don't have as many choices here in the US as one may think.=A0 Take Onkyo = for example.=A0 On our website here in the US they offer one model of casse= tte deck and that is it!=A0 Overseas though they offer more decks in their lineup.=A0 It's like that with other components as well.=A0 I know even in= minidisc units overseas always had more choices of models than we did.=A0 = You only had to compare sony's US website to say the UK's Sony website.=A0 = It is because americans these days just "settle" and do not want the higher= end models as much as they once did.=A0 Nicer models exist of stereo equip= ment but outside of the US.=A0 I havent compared in a while but it has alwa= ys been that way.=A0 Of course you have to know how to get on Sony or Onkyo= 's sites in other countries.=A0 It requires you to go to their corporate si= tes and not just their US sales sites.=A0 Try it sometime and compare Sony = and Onkyo products overseas with the models we have here.=A0 They usually h= ave more models available. =A0 -Kevin =A0 --- On Tue, 12/23/08, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital domain issue To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 5:03 PM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, clemsonbloke=20 wrote: > > Juan, > =A0 > No once it's recorded that way theres no way to recover=20 those "holes" because they simply are not there.=A0 That information=20 is gone.=A0 I have a degree in digital production and I can tell you=20 that there is software that exists that is used in industry that=20 will record very good quality in low bit rate.=A0 It uses different=20 technology than the normal MP3 its MP3PRO.=A0 You can record something=20 in 96 kbps and it sounds about the same as 128 but it will only work=20 in certain software packages.=A0 It's a professional system.=A0 You find=20 things like this in Adobe Audition and Soundforge.=A0 I use Audition=20 but I still record MP3's as the same industry standard of 320 Kbps.=A0=20 320 is for broadcast.=A0 You really need a good computer with industry=20 software, a good processor, and lots of ram to fool around with a=20 lot of recording and do it well.=A0 The problem with those low bit=20 rate MP3's as you've discovered is that a lot of information is gone=20 from the original > source.=A0 The computer disregards and doesn't record signals that=20 aren't audible.=A0 Anything that isn't used or needed for it is thrown=20 out.=A0 Also it cuts your high end.=A0 You are trying to squeeze=20 something into a smaller space so there is always going to be a=20 sacrifice in quality.=A0 Now that being said if you had Audition or=20 Soundforge or some other editing software you might be able to boost=20 your high end frequencies a bit BUT that will sound like crap.=A0=20 You'll hear more of the digital artifacts and crud that is masked in=20 the high end.=A0 It shows up there more prevalent.=A0 You'll start=20 hearing that whispering wispy sound that will drive you nuts.=A0 The=20 best thing to do with a normal setup is don't accept files below 128=20 kbps.=A0 That should be reasonable enough for oldies and some top 40.=A0=20 If you are recording things like orchestration, horns, etc then go=20 for higher rates or you'll see 128's limitations too.=A0 I don't do=20 anything below 196 kbps and > that is rare.=A0 Most times if I use MP3 it's at 320 kbps.=A0=20 > =A0 > -Kevin > =A0 Hi Kevin!!! Let me don't agree with you about the "holes". Yes, you're right: the ORIGINAL information is gone, yes, absolutely=20 right. BUT... What was it? It was just sound!!! In other words:=20 audio frecuencies with some frecuency, level and duration. If we can mix two analog audio sources (for example: 1 and 2 KHZ)=20 and get more than the only two originals (we can distort the mixdown=20 to get a full band between 1 and 2 KHZ), and if we can do it in the=20 analog domain, WHY WE COULDN'T DO IT IN THE DIGITAL DOMAIN? Think: it is just a random example, let's suppose we have a great=20 hole (due to the MP3 encoding process) in exactly 4,500 HZ, and this=20 hole is 1 second long and the hole has -90 DBS, we just need to get=20 the PC "fills" the hole with a 1 second long and 90 DBS above the=20 botton of the hole synthesized audio got from the two immediately=20 adjacents frecuencies and with the enough distortion to fill the=20 whole hole band!!! That's all!!! Of course, the recovering process would be slowest (due to the lot=20 of holes present in the standard bad MP3 recordings). .. maybe (I'm=20 not sure because today we have enough faster PCs). But I think it=20 would be not too slow at all. You live in USA, "THE" computerland (or kingdom) of the world, so...=20 you can get some good team of advanced computer guys and get it. I'm=20 sure it is possible. And I'm sure a lot of people will thank you so=20 much because... YOU WILL HAVE SAVED THE WORLD OF THE BADLY MP3 BAD=20 CODING SOUND!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 16:53:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51933 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 00:52:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 00:52:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 00:52:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6428 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2008 00:52:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: aBejkckVM1kCW8nk2utjH7giKLW4_vdkXIo1CfNAQ_OJ3a5GdazvtQ7V4Yj_V.75UIvSWBO0eMH71WnuZb_gtYdkEOvW7ULkrcX5IW0JOk7LVoqmnEtfy_e55YwAM9gDpTEmOSXK0ClPatRppJDEKRrbusrQNGmQ0ZbZxwZ6RirLBpGJIhOSp5lnjf3C8A-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:52:58 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:52:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <653164.76379.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <302816.6228.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM vs. FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=dnxCBqiLEP0iFmdeeL2eO34CRcqPxZdtJX9ygFUKIs4Afw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 AM can go down to DC, and up as high as bandwidth will allow. Proof? "Real" (NTSC) TV. The brightness component (luminance) is AM, and small details can go to over 3 MHz. Also, you can lower or raise the RF level, and hold it, thus DC response. High fidelity on AM is not really a technical challenge, so much as a legal and practical one, and given today's hardware, DC to 25 kHz. would be quite easy...but then there is static! G From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 17:14:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58476 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 01:14:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 01:14:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 01:14:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 01:14:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 01:14:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:14:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <653164.76379.qm@web23205.mail.ird.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.14 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital domain issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=glFMY6UVUMQKpm1fpS3WC3dGU2OqPMfX9Ahwq1fSiPsubYOR2g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, clemsonbloke=20 wrote: > > I'm not sure I understand what you mean but I can assure you that=20 once you lose something its gone and cannot be reconstructed=20 artificially in any way.=A0 The best thing to do is record in a decent=20 bit rate and you'll be ok.=A0 The US as computerland?=A0 I have to=20 disagree because I think Japan probably has us beat=20 technologically.=A0 We have Blu Ray players here but no Blu Ray=20 recorders except for the PC.=A0 Theres no plans accoring to indsutry=20 to release a blu ray recorder for television either so they say.=A0=20 They already have blu ray recorders for your tv though in Japan so=20 they are ahead of us.=A0 Japan is the technology mecca when it comes=20 to audio and video.=A0 I'd love to be able to shop in their stores and=20 just look around!=A0 We don't have as many choices here in the US as=20 one may think.=A0 Take Onkyo for example.=A0 On our website here in the=20 US they offer one model of cassette deck and that is it!=A0 Overseas=20 though they offer more decks in their > lineup.=A0 It's like that with other components as well.=A0 I know=20 even in minidisc units overseas always had more choices of models=20 than we did.=A0 You only had to compare sony's US website to say the=20 UK's Sony website.=A0 It is because americans these days just "settle"=20 and do not want the higher end models as much as they once did.=A0=20 Nicer models exist of stereo equipment but outside of the US.=A0 I=20 havent compared in a while but it has always been that way.=A0 Of=20 course you have to know how to get on Sony or Onkyo's sites in other=20 countries.=A0 It requires you to go to their corporate sites and not=20 just their US sales sites.=A0 Try it sometime and compare Sony and=20 Onkyo products overseas with the models we have here.=A0 They usually=20 have more models available. > =A0 > -Kevin > =A0 > Interesting point. However, I use a lot of software: Microsoft,=20 Adobe, McAfee, Creative Labs, WinAmp, CyberLink, GoogleEarth, Ulead,=20 Seven Notes, etc., etc., etc., and all of those are USA software. Maybe you're right about the hardware, but the MP3 issue is just a=20 software world problem. A good MP3 will sound good in any device. A=20 bad MP3 will sound bad in any device. About to reconstruct a lost thing, I'm talking about to put an=20 specific audio range synthesized from another audio range. Something=20 like the decoding *.JPG images. In the file, we lose a lot of=20 details, but the decoder reconstruct those lost details following=20 some "graphical" rules. So the final result is a very decent image=20 (in some cases, almost equal to the original). If we apllied=20 something like this into the MP3 sound, we will be able to=20 reconstruct the lost frecuencies. An additional explanation: to add white noise, above 4,000 HZ, in=20 every snare drum bit, is a widely used "recording artifact". It=20 sounds great and fantastic in some kind of music. All the added=20 noise is not a natural sound (it is not present in the original),=20 but our ears don't claim against it. Maybe we could use it to=20 reconstruct the lost audio in the MP3 files. Just a crazy idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 17:29:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97564 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 01:29:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 01:29:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 01:29:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 01:29:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 01:29:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:29:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <302816.6228.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.14 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM vs. FM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=n06RkIdEdd1A6naIHrGwfI5Up8qi3qgTcFa5kr3o7Mh5lmnjcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > AM can go down to DC, and up as high as bandwidth will allow. Proof? > "Real" (NTSC) TV. The brightness component (luminance) is AM, and=20 small details can go to over 3 MHz. Also, you can lower or raise the=20 RF level, and hold it, thus DC response. High fidelity on AM is not=20 really a technical challenge, so much as a legal and practical one,=20 and given today's hardware, DC to 25 kHz. would be quite easy...but=20 then there is static! G > You stole the words of my mouth!!! Yes, you're absolutely right: THE BEST PROOF OF THE VERY GOOD=20 PERFORMANCE OF THE AM SYSTEM IS THE TV SYSTEM!!! I have just a doubt: I understand all the analog TV systems use AM to=20 the luminance signal (not only NTSC). But I want another opinion about=20 it. I want to add a very rare commentary here. I know it is a hard thing=20 to agree: BASICALLY, THE ANALOG TO DIGITAL CONVERSION PROCESS, IS JUST=20 AN AM PROCESS. What? What is the digital audio stream? Simple: a very simple chain of 0s=20 (zeros) and 1s (ones). But these bits come from a quantization of the=20 original audio: 44,100 samples per second, 16 bits per sample. If you can figure out, IT IS THE SAME AS A SIMPLE 44,100 HZ CARRIER=20 AMPLITUDE MODULATED BY THE AUDIO SOURCE!!! The only one difference is that in every intersection between the=20 carrier and the audio there is a "level meter" that "takes" this value=20 and convert it into a digital byte. So, if the Analog to Digital process sounds so good, there is no any=20 reason to the standard AM sounds bad. I'm not sure if you could follow my thought. I hope you can!!! Unfortunately, there is some STUPID rules that limit the final AM=20 performance at all (not only the audio frecuency response). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 23 17:55:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76578 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 01:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 01:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 01:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.130] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081223195507000868500016.0) with SMTP id <20081223195507000868500016> for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:55:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01d101c9656b$247c4600$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <997332.48605.qm@web23204.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:55:07 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ixDhf3WHHos4AFXvSMXSTwNNUtLjaAEGc2HYLm5W580BDpo2x8k2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually I like to hear the bumper music in stereo. With the new satellite receivers networks are now using it'll be a cinch to have stereo talk networks which will not only be good for FM talkers, but might be enough of an excuse to dust off that AM stereo equipment. BTW, when there's no L-R there should be little to no added multipath. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: clemsonbloke To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I think FM's that are talkers should broadcast strictly in mono. It's just cleaner. I mean who cares if commercials are in stereo? It's a talker for goodness sakes! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 23 17:58:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8423 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 01:58:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 01:58:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 01:58:26 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.130] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081223195802001935900011.0) with SMTP id <20081223195802001935900011> for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:58:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01e501c9656b$8b831720$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:58:02 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=gC5FqkyL2rPsZmcTg_FwsCq3CbgoGAeKgR610vSaWKTH_9pa2wAc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a ham I might be tempted to get a really high powered 10m rig. Key it up when they get too close and possibly fry their system. Of course the wiring in my own vehicle should be beefed up with some shielding beforehand lest I kill the engine management computer. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 7:03 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) I am not certain how much Rap is in mono vs. stereo. I just know when one of those boom wagons pulls up behind me at a stoplight, both my driver and passenger side rear view mirrors seem to vibrate equally. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 23 17:59:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94795 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 01:59:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 01:59:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 01:59:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.130] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20081223195830001969600011.0) with SMTP id <20081223195830001969600011> for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:58:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01f501c9656b$9cb3b9a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <561391.69395.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:58:30 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: An AM Transmitter site issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=QXyC4mRO5rCTxCkkzOIrb4qzF0SFp94vVvLQ_J7fJB-5J3uPyHBB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Something like a 50' top hat. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: An AM Transmitter site issue Didn't KFI put a tophat and/or skirt on their new 50KW tower?? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 18:25:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19326 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 02:25:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 02:25:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 02:25:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10741 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2008 02:25:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6enJxJAVM1mEw.yy0XZifR.xD0bg4gmduYLaHLmKVr99G2cWKCl.xru1dX3m0hqaPgHZTldVUvVc4LxAIT8hdS6cpqAco0ZBglf.tlK2CM9HI2hYIJsWZjDBODUxpyDyUP6uatcszL47T0s0DEgFBVWTU_mqzcQMDNmpR5EOyv9vjrKc.eKZie724INAUQfnMyyQAxuXnengfWTqWimUTc_jIzTiMCpSPuaix2yC X-Received: from [209.213.19.129] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:25:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:25:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01e501c9656b$8b831720$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <367097.10665.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=4teFTSdwi9_c64yATLrGIbt6R9yorw4TE_IIVbKsgLw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW 500 watts on the 440 ham band will do it.... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 12/23/08, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 8:58 PM > As a ham I might be tempted to get a really high powered 10m > rig. Key it up when they get too close and possibly fry > their system. Of course the wiring in my own vehicle should > be beefed up with some shielding beforehand lest I kill the > engine management computer. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@aol.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 7:03 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Mono Mix AM Stereo (was: Blending...) > > > I am not certain how much Rap is in mono vs. stereo. I > just know when one of > those boom wagons pulls up behind me at a stoplight, both > my driver and > passenger side rear view mirrors seem to vibrate equally. > > Mike > > ************** > One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, > > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& > icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From dav259@optusnet.com.au Wed Dec 24 00:14:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64503 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 08:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 08:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.184) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 08:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-71-226.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.71.226]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBO8E0GY017475; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:14:00 +1100 To: Cc: References: <012801c95e33$c4c297c0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:13:58 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <012801c95e33$c4c297c0$d503fea9@stodd> Thread-Index: AcleM2UkTL/HfwqaQj+ff0D1heb6IAHaK77g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: Melbourne's Carol By Candelight X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=VcDO74mu1mgOsydcdjhGHZyBaqYESU1871Kua1ygWBag X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A tradition is born. The inspiration for Vision Australia's Carols by CandlelightR was born one Christmas Eve in 1937, as radio veteran, the late Norman Banks MBE, strolled along historic St Kilda Road in Melbourne after a late night radio shift. As he walked, he noticed an elderly woman sitting up in bed by her window, her face lit only by a candle. She had a radio beside her and was singing along to the Christmas carol, "Away in a Manger". It was at this moment that Banks was inspired to create the first gathering of people to sing carols by candlelight. His employers, the management of 3KZ, who were sponsoring a new wing of the Austin Hospital, agreed that this dream could become a reality, but the first problem was to get the support of the City Council. It was not easy to gain general support for the idea, and if it not been for the gracious personal interest of the Lord Mayor at the time, Cr. A.W. Coles, the sceptics would have quashed the project. Having gained the approval of the City Council, Norman Banks set to work and organised the whole program. In 1938, 10,000 people gathered at midnight in the Alexandra Gardens to sing carols with a 30 strong choir, two soloists and the Metropolitan Fire Brigade Band. The unusual candlelight setting, and the beauty of the carols, instantly won the affection of the large assembly. A new Christmas tradition was born. Encouraged by the success of the first presentation, Norman Banks organised the 1939 Carols on a more elaborate scale and had the assistance of the Sandringham Choral Society, Highfield Methodist Choir, and a Hammond Organ, in addition to the Metropolitan Fire Brigade Band. The program commenced at 11.00 pm and ended with a reproduction of the Chimes of London's Big Ben at midnight. The Victorian Railways and Metropolitan Tramways provided additional transport after midnight and approximately 40,000 attended. Melbourne's Carols By Candlelight has gone on to much bigger and better things since. For many years it's been held in at the Sidney Myer Music Bowl in the King's Domain with the best Australian artists, fine orchestras, and choirs volunteering to put on a wonderful nationally televised celebration of Christmas. It commences in 45 minutes (if I'm right 4:00 am USEST). Try and listen in on Magic 1278. It won't be broadcast here in AM stereo (as it used to be). But I expect it will be a stereo feed streamed from Magic's website. http://www.magic1278.com.au/ Happy Christmas to All! Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 09:13:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42131 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 17:13:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 17:13:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 17:13:43 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 17:13:43 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.64] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 17:13:43 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Dec 2008 17:13:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 49346.3929.bm@omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 53312 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 17:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.194.48 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 17:13:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tHaTUbgVM1lZWuA6Lb6TYjA1zS9GyFF7dcLMLMgAZ8cLoTW106fWhpVjmzsPiBSN2kBHjRAev3tYdQ74TeBoHftVp2zTwrz1pNL27LdA_.1zgw3fFWGAhNCE_9I3YT2yzcMgR053u3h6ivgbvbqwkHUEKe5or_mwcukS1tsWk3ZZ5zC1849fGhth0a0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <012801c95e33$c4c297c0$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2979D357-D168-4A32-9514-ED39C47FF65A@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:13:41 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Collingwood Magpie Footy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=tBwLpfXV4qUSwmo1H28Z7u8ksseIBGFYGyRl812n_1fgRXgH6w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > A tradition is born. Yeah but it ain't as good a tradition as Collingwood Magpie footy. Are you ready for the preseason game with Perth? Merry Christmas Ian. Go to the beach on this warm day and get some nice sun. We will be freezing our asses off. At least one of us can be warm. Here in the States in 27 days we get a great Christmas present. Bush will be gone at last! Kevin From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Dec 24 09:31:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11243 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2008 17:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2008 17:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s10.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.149) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2008 17:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W57 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s10.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:31:37 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:31:37 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: <2979D357-D168-4A32-9514-ED39C47FF65A@yahoo.com> References: <012801c95e33$c4c297c0$d503fea9@stodd> <2979D357-D168-4A32-9514-ED39C47FF65A@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Dec 2008 17:31:37.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[798629E0:01C965ED] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Collingwood Magpie Footy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=a7jWwVGI9GDk7QQIP9MnxjhSXcTvK0OxTGDdiKTpjHn8TFdV97uXkaTXyE0 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, Hope it's not as cold as freezing there Christmas day; here on Christmas it is always a surprise, can be cold, cool, warm or hot. Tomorrow's forecast is for a low of 65 and a high of 79. I believe that's probably 17 Celsius for the low and about 27 Celsius for the high, which sounds colder. Is tonight the night WJR does their Christmas music? I will be away from here (and the local 760) and may try to tune in. Donn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: big_h00pla@yahoo.comDate: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:13:41 -0600Subject: {AMSF} Collingwood Magpie Footy > A tradition is born.Yeah but it ain't as good a tradition as Collingwood Magpie footy. Are you ready for the preseason game with Perth?Merry Christmas Ian. Go to the beach on this warm day and get some nice sun. We will be freezing our asses off. At least one of us can be warm.Here in the States in 27 days we get a great Christmas present. Bush will be gone at last!Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 24 21:08:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38342 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2008 05:08:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2008 05:08:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.62) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2008 05:08:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22920 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2008 05:08:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: n70FNV8VM1kSRcmh4hTi_jdbAkN7ir5D9fqVc1O1yia8oTbk2qEUUBDOr.1cR2M1Psia1L1NO_PArW74VT0omztXzZLsk2jC_13Z.2U5q9mOfQA0OUS.30RyjgG6QyVB5Jx1bNhXUMSfBeTeMqVMYrWepUNHcQNTyRwGcbc1UPPcMdh3lztQbdnJnWpXaGN_BE9uEvF8T.ldXU3_yRAA X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:08:52 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:08:52 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2979D357-D168-4A32-9514-ED39C47FF65A@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <706515.19008.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.62 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: {AMSF} Collingwood Magpie Footy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=Z1V_pFno7V9o-gW7Ytfd6RwFuaUDY_MuMkabTJ-FW88ujZ1YuHUk X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable are you english?=A0 Saying "footy" is english. =A0 -Kevin --- On Wed, 12/24/08, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: {AMSF} Collingwood Magpie Footy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 12:13 PM > A tradition is born. Yeah but it ain't as good a tradition as Collingwood Magpie footy.=20 Are you ready for the preseason game with Perth? Merry Christmas Ian. Go to the beach on this warm day and get some=20 nice sun. We will be freezing our asses off. At least one of us can=20 be warm. Here in the States in 27 days we get a great Christmas present. Bush=20 will be gone at last! Kevin =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 05:07:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78349 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2008 13:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2008 13:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2008 13:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n10.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2008 13:07:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.156] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2008 13:07:17 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp209.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2008 13:07:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 682126.18544.bm@omp209.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 75032 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2008 13:07:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.194.48 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2008 13:07:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LmNFSaIVM1kbgHQDKOfcyJywIl1SClFDckP1AeX9fc7DvBXHb_eRN77AWz9wSc5RI19DBJq1ol54iP4idYZoibxbC.8vrJctFPS4Foh4WorOyeVSn1xqKIoMuw4Il.YSWJVhccdy68FMtpFbagECdCIvtE9ruwBBN14ihmfR.jQznbZKrF6MdvUXv_c- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <706515.19008.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <706515.19008.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9AD62428-BA85-4518-AA24-A69B326DD0B6@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 07:07:16 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Collingwood Magpie Footy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=CNPrJpGXDmPsqG2TvYfHc2bPkGKzOO6Lw1tj62A3MdbhT8qkUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 24, 2008, at 11:08 PM, clemsonbloke wrote: > are you english? Saying "footy" is english. Its Australian. Kevin From dav259@optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 25 17:55:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40649 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2008 01:55:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2008 01:55:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.185) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2008 01:55:48 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-71-252.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.71.252]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBQ1tkPI007044 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:55:46 +1100 To: References: <012801c95e33$c4c297c0$d503fea9@stodd> <2979D357-D168-4A32-9514-ED39C47FF65A@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:55:46 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acll6v20JKPCgpMsQeuZC0p2OvaB0ABEJoKA In-Reply-To: <2979D357-D168-4A32-9514-ED39C47FF65A@yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Collingwood Magpie Footy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=zXez2IWaVmUXPPkroKuTrCpwqbX17zb6mSZ0CeO4bkVI X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: kevin redding > Yeah but it ain't as good a tradition as Collingwood Magpie > footy. Are you ready for the preseason game with Perth? Yes indeed. We're always ready to knock off Perth. > Merry Christmas Ian. Go to the beach on this warm day and > get some nice sun. We will be freezing our asses off. At least one > of us can be warm. A pretty cool Christmas Day in Melbourne. Only 24 C - 75 F. Not quite hot enough to plunge into the tranquil waters of Port Phillip Bay. > Here in the States in 27 days we get a great Christmas present. > Bush will be gone at last! The world shares in this gift. I only hope the Iraqi reporter who flung his shoes at King George gets off. After all, Dubya tells us that he's brought freedom of speech and democracy to Iraq. Funny way of doing it. Most of the world would like to have a go in the Shoe Throwing Stakes. And the quote of the week from Boy George: "I don't know what his beef was ..." Happy Christmas! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 18:10:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71023 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2008 02:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2008 02:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.91) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2008 02:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2008 02:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.142] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2008 02:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2008 02:10:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 44509.70361.bm@omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 4635 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2008 02:03:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.194.48 with plain) by smtp112.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2008 02:03:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LjrK3rkVM1lzWNhQL4ddaYvC_peig5DeNfbjlxjm3juWXoa_gDVh_0A48tHUti6xHNiZ2tHtrBjWhVOAQsirOogI7Pt5VGd2a9rYuBZcDXeKwkb01tijh4QUz2RV_KzcqMgLzztGilTDQyz98RIXoj.bXK3UXl5fbMFGMVV69qDGoh_8DmmE7r8RxuQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <012801c95e33$c4c297c0$d503fea9@stodd> <2979D357-D168-4A32-9514-ED39C47FF65A@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8EBBF252-3171-46C3-A09A-76A5B5988562@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:03:19 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Collingwood Magpie Footy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=2A3pYQxSRhn0YDMyqfMsPfKjZCSnWDYh0C6kDLxSuyoQmY1y8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Yes indeed. We're always ready to knock off Perth. Did you ever think that Collingwood Mags would be the topic on this list? Tell me if they are being streamed on the net so I can listen to the games. > The world shares in this gift. I only hope the Iraqi reporter who > flung his > shoes at King George gets off. Me too. I was upset that the bastard was able to duck the shoe. Guy had a good arm on him. > After all, Dubya tells us that he's brought > freedom of speech and democracy to Iraq. Funny way of doing it. > Most of > the world would like to have a go in the Shoe Throwing Stakes. I almost would like to be the first in line to give it a go. Kevin From dav259@optusnet.com.au Thu Dec 25 18:13:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43870 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2008 02:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2008 02:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.184) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2008 02:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-71-252.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.71.252]) by mail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBQ2DeC1030055 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:13:41 +1100 To: References: <2979D357-D168-4A32-9514-ED39C47FF65A@yahoo.com> <706515.19008.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:13:41 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclmTuYPku5VqK/jQ+euRZ+8BTCGvQAr+CZg In-Reply-To: <706515.19008.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: {AMSF} Collingwood Magpie Footy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=hBN_9VI4-9Y03DzMY1gfHT-Tz69ARJUpfjXVIPfhbE9L X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: clemsonbloke > are you english? Saying "footy" is english. Hey buddy ... pal ... We in Oz have accepted so many of your expressions. Hardly anyone here says bloke or cobber anymore. Footy is Australian for Aussie rules football. Football in British for soccer (as opposed to rugby). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Dec 25 18:15:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42180 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2008 02:15:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2008 02:15:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2008 02:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2008 02:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.240] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2008 02:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2008 02:15:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 613755.43070.bm@omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 28430 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2008 02:15:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.194.48 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2008 02:15:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: syMEclIVM1lQGxljrmaksCaGamLEiQPKK5dvY_28kE3HaRgMvOL8FVvwhW2YpcUPR85Pjj13ZKbDvYgMBfApbkXFNQRvgaDNYT5f8RJlAamZ23sotzGfJv4z_fpdRJPOWtLjZAFz3uVm2la6jeymuVHfGYzedr98dIl0qlocjmIYDXLokCqU3jS6fW0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <2979D357-D168-4A32-9514-ED39C47FF65A@yahoo.com> <706515.19008.qm@web23207.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <60425A06-514E-4647-8AD4-D4EFAA98AA39@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:15:36 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: [SPAM]Re: {AMSF} Collingwood Magpie Footy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=fJbqGdMhsHplNbyWmw5qmucoReMS8gYUzNlbAxoq2uGRPU3WIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 25, 2008, at 8:13 PM, Ian Davidson wrote: > Footy is Australian for Aussie rules football. Football in British > for > soccer (as opposed to rugby). I love rugby. Kevin From clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Thu Dec 25 23:04:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26047 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2008 07:04:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2008 07:04:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (217.146.189.63) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2008 07:04:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66111 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2008 07:04:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IqeMVP0VM1m6gOV5bm21foRinjoaPhZXLtUCORkqx3dlWYQHohP8pfas5kMrZyLOJbOccVg3BFzTeQ_eg8Sh8_7Zrgj6GY9iMNAV7cQAwXARosPREL9uxTMhfYy5GAYcbyQvpM94olaAz1BjWA13coj3Azbgvdtri4HcvS5J6J5EIDVJNvSF6OHOmGBZOJeAJsoYc1gT6adDqk70.iJtGWVfrc.0.9E89qV2 X-Received: from [71.15.84.239] by web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:04:15 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:04:15 +0000 (GMT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <437832.65639.qm@web23208.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.189.63 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: clemsonbloke Reply-To: clemsonbloke@yahoo.co.uk Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: {AMSF} Collingwood Magpie Footy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=245003733; y=lm7DhuWV8267DFiZWeFbhUU0iwSEXw-3UHXAuD-czi-TmkSGaRen X-Yahoo-Profile: clemsonbloke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah I know.......I'm american but theres a story behind the screen name.= =A0 At one time back in the day in college I was planning to study overseas= .=A0 Now back in the 90s you could not check your university email if you w= ere off campus.=A0 There was no web based version of your university email.= =A0 I set this one up to use for university correspondence for being overse= as in England.=A0 Well it never panned out and I didn't study abroad as I w= anted but I kept the email.=A0 It may look english with the @yahoo.co.uk bu= t I'm here in the US.=A0=20 =A0 -Kevin --- On Thu, 12/25/08, Ian Davidson wrote: From: Ian Davidson Subject: RE: [SPAM]Re: {AMSF} Collingwood Magpie Footy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 9:13 PM From: clemsonbloke=20 > are you english? Saying "footy" is english. Hey buddy ... pal ... We in Oz have accepted so many of your expressions. Hardly anyone here says bloke or cobber anymore. Footy is Australian for Aussie rules football. Football in British for soccer (as opposed to rugby). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 08:42:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46827 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2008 16:42:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2008 16:42:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2008 16:42:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2008 16:42:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.230] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2008 16:42:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 16:42:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.3 From: "jotape1960" Subject: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=pYZHJBLQ9oCSHD1Dyr38QmBxH8d0pu040C_FHEueuPUyXHWZLA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi gang!!! I wonder why FCC lets the folded unipole system and doesn't let the=20 typical invert "V" if both are basically the same? Is there some "official" FCC web site where I can find all the "legal"=20 allowed antennas? I'm not a USA citizen and I don't live officially inside the FCC=20 kingdom but... it's just the same because all the FCC rules are=20 followed by the chilean authorities (SUBTEL). As they don't have a web=20 site with this information, it's so useful to me to know if the FCC=20 has one. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 08:57:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33626 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2008 16:57:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2008 16:57:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2008 16:57:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24019 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2008 16:57:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wDL2nDoVM1n1LbnLr1NEujAS6AAauwnsxNWguQLiecGciO08RZWWxzlpN8Dq9Xi5Sgsbm0vI77gYsatcA8kvAZWMHeMa7x47QoogsKFJpVfa3sNMgN2qAgaAdvHjXk70zxTeCPJgJFK56h9qiDsHMbIxHKw3Hk7cL_BjT9qkLwDni4wHtCtn6ZQ9b6kR71OyTCi817Cjf8dIGWWQW0S9lzo4pE4v X-Received: from [192.24.243.236] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:57:17 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:57:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <48699.23970.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=T-oZi3Gve95MeZ4Uq9nCxTNVwtVAV9F5NatGDj6dI00 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They aren't the same.=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 12/26/08, jotape1960 wrote: Hi gang!!! I wonder why FCC lets the folded unipole system and doesn't let the=20 typical invert "V" if both are basically the same. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Dec 26 12:39:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18478 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2008 20:39:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2008 20:39:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2008 20:39:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d3e.3aab931f (65099) for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:39:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:39:07 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KdvBZ_5Ig4F79-_kXiJgIEY8Arj2Nn0MKpaLbc1uuKLFT-yGIeHhLIt6f0fU-S8A X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To my knowledge, the FCC will allow any style of antenna that provides the requisite characteristics. If a station is supposed to be non-directional, it must have an antenna that provides a non-directional pattern, which a folded or caged monopoles does. The other requirements deals with antenna efficiency. An antenna must provide a stated minimum field strength at 1km per kilowatt of power into it. The required efficiency depends on the class of station. Local stations, which are limited to 1kW and serve small communities require the least. Dominant Class I clear channel stations require the most. The efficiency of a monopole, with all other things being equal, is dependent on its electrical length in terms of wavelength, with the maximum being 5/8 lamda. However, few clear channel stations use that length being it has a secondary radiation lobe which wipes out midrange coverage at night. So most use a 1/2 wave. While caging a monopole increases it effective electrical length, it does not provide the same radiation efficiency as its uncaged counterpart. The FCC most certainly allows non-coventional antennas like the Franklin, which is considered the highest efficiency AM antenna around. Aside from delivering a white hot field intensity at 1km (take a look at KFBK's field intensity), it elevates the center of radiation 1/2 wavelength about ground and doesn't require a ground system. Some professor came up with a really exotic antenna design for extended band stations. I forget who it was. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 26 22:11:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37997 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2008 06:11:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2008 06:11:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.97) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2008 06:11:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55017 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2008 06:11:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO h0s5f9) (jimsmith95650@75.22.189.52 with login) by smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2008 06:11:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nbGbmAYVM1miGZhVVxKHCJR_h4W3lvixls15.8w3zocTJuKlYw74K9K2.VPMqSHB0xNQmhAzR.9V8DIONifUgFmUNabl1bviVWkHSaTkrDUc3Vg4cO3.CtTxk4tYW6IqVW2J.HnL24mDor9ydulLdNK_KGGhdcnqsKWG2SrlPK_sus0EuKqEyB0vu.owfVvaE4GcfYvUAoahQw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001001c967ea$0ea3e500$61e4fea9@h0s5f9> To: Cc: References: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:11:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=SAT4yP51pKn-K_TG03KGtArPo-tlcf7H9QtyOnywxYd5IrK8mRtBZO0PMpHrRYHST04Y_OON X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan Yes FCC has a web site. Its www.fcc.gov . You can look up station= s and find out how much they put out day and night and other stuff. The sit= e dos'nt talk about equement posificly. Jim Smith NOR CAL USA ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: {AMSF} AM antenna Hi gang!!! I wonder why FCC lets the folded unipole system and doesn't let the=20 typical invert "V" if both are basically the same? Is there some "official" FCC web site where I can find all the "legal"=20 allowed antennas? I'm not a USA citizen and I don't live officially inside the FCC=20 kingdom but... it's just the same because all the FCC rules are=20 followed by the chilean authorities (SUBTEL). As they don't have a web=20 site with this information, it's so useful to me to know if the FCC=20 has one. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love =20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Dec 27 11:13:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1584 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2008 19:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2008 19:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2008 19:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c67.4637ffb5 (30737) for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:13:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:13:40 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qgqKN0tXSstCdGqmFuivz6Vp5jiaVTPaoOCfUgym7Y9SYfcEBGVcdcxZ0fEXHxQs X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, If you look at the FCC AM Query website, it will give specifics on the antenna system used. All I know of are verticals of various lengths and configurations, although on at least one occassion the FCC granted a temporary authorization for a longwire when a station's tower was destroyed. The height is specified both in meters and as electrical degrees of wavelength. For example, 90 degrees represents a quarter-wave. 180 degrees represents a half-wave. Most Class I stations such as WLS use a 1/2 wave or close to it. A true Franklin uses a full wavelength (two 180 degree segments with a center insulator at mid-span). KFBK in Sacramento uses two Franklin vertical radiators. Others such as WHO use a modified Franklin. Take at look at the field each produces at 1 km for 1 kW of power. Considering KFBK has 50 kW of power, it produces a monster field at 1 km. Fortunately, the center of that radiation is 1/2 wavelength above ground at the towers. Some stations have not had great success with the Franklin, one being KSTP in the Twin Cities. However, Storz's WDGY, also in the Twin Cities, had conventional vertical radiators and it was a bitch (a technical term) to get and keep their phaser in alignment. Maybe it is all that iron ore up there that makes things weird. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. 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(big_h00pla@75.120.195.162 with plain) by smtp104.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2008 19:31:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lvYDcB0VM1kFb_MYo3pljYGe8INoQNErVTAlD282e8czt994XqQ2aGZCdUBwkxdruR3JtcA4cF8a3BP0OFXhi_l3HqteC0MyMFjezpeL8hyTd1Q7cmYuyETq17Phj7M26XF0Hh6_oGtlMXhocKXUdN0gRo98BqcSUgRVhIOYtlI7tkU.HPrEh4TzLhrv2h0no.ch.Et61Jc36TYOS8hLbU1atQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <22BE2BB7-6331-4ED8-AA0B-E95172E7513E@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:31:10 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=5gvfuH2rguw-DKnejXXvH2Z5r7UAQzVLra7jVugsdH6X8xiwMA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Dec 27, 2008, at 1:13 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > KFBK in Sacramento uses two Franklin vertical radiators Well, they work. I would get KFBK 24/7 in Arizona all winter. Kevin From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 12:12:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39304 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2008 20:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2008 20:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2008 20:12:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2008 20:12:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2008 20:12:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:12:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <22BE2BB7-6331-4ED8-AA0B-E95172E7513E@yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.120 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Mcu0ioK972x1RVyliUlOYoFMi-EvcyJYFtYKNsKoU7O3kDLzmg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Thank you so much for your time and comments about this issue!!! And, yes, I know the folded unipole isn't the same as the invert "V".=20 Of course it isn't the same!!! The shape and the way to construct it=20 are different BUT... the basic principle is the same: some kind of=20 wires insolated from the main tower and with, at least, 1/4 wave=20 lenght. The difference is the final shape, but the directional scheme=20 and efficiency is almost the same. Of course, the "dreamed" system is the full wave antenna but... in my=20 case (1260 KHZ) it is 237,9 meters (780 feet) height!!! In the better=20 case, if I had enough money to build it, I'm not sure if it would be=20 logic, thinking in the wind conditions of my city. I wonder if there is some significant efficiency difference between=20 the typical 1/4 wave isolated from ground tower and the grounded 1/4=20 wave tower. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR TIME!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 18:01:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 438 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2008 02:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2008 02:01:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2008 02:01:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65201 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2008 02:01:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6Kk16r4VM1lGY3gTIonVfC0_qxBJqAH6YysXbBL.7PmN0_mSuxEDS0n4YrIrdCQwUV0vzDabnk0X1aez8rrKDJ5cdfYJalmnzbN4V8rQQjdS48gu6MUr33Zzd0399CvYwxRIa2CO9f1oVPt7xkIP9c0QokgqwMn6jMIp2zo4xTQ6oD4BQe6MWh2V.rw- X-Received: from [209.213.19.155] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:01:43 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:01:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <942161.63639.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Feho-eOXwnQFYu6aA1GVL5sNgCfbVQ4B9J13ztjZj2o X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't forget the ground system is very important. A full wave antenna is a = pain. Half wave antennas don't tune very well. A 5/8 wave gives very good d= aytime coverage, but can cause poor night performance due to high angle sky= wave and that will cause groundwave / skywave cancellation close in.=A0 A 3= /8 wave is better.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Dec 27 21:22:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32042 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2008 05:22:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2008 05:22:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2008 05:22:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2008 05:22:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2008 05:22:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 05:22:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <942161.63639.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.5 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=c7gSoJZ7t22HYWB4haC70zel8lohmECRJg2eqQe0t9pJ42eH_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III"=20 wrote: > > Don't forget the ground system is very important. A full wave=20 antenna is a pain. Half wave antennas don't tune very well. A 5/8=20 wave gives very good daytime coverage, but can cause poor night=20 performance due to high angle skywave and that will cause=20 groundwave / skywave cancellation close in.=A0 A 3/8 wave is better.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > Hi Powell!!! What do you mean when you say: "half wave antennas don't tune very=20 well"? My best DXs were when I used two invert "V", one to 80 and another=20 to 40 meters with my loved Kenwood TS-130S. I used only one coaxial=20 cable (RG-58) to feed both. The central union was made with a simple=20 glass insulator, connecting the cable directly to the two invert "V"=20 sides. I never had problems with these antennas. When I changed to a vertical multiband array (Cushcraft, AV-4),=20 because a temporary change of house, I lost all my DXs. Of course, I=20 guess there was more than one reason to that, but I prefer the=20 invert "V", hehehehehe. Does somebody knows a GOOD website about AM antennas? I mean,=20 construction diagrams, connection network, etc. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South america, with love From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sat Dec 27 22:48:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55459 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2008 06:48:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2008 06:48:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rn-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.170.188) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2008 06:48:10 -0000 X-Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k40so2964020rnd.17 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:48:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.97.19 with SMTP id u19mr2326115ybb.140.1230446888512; Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:48:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.88.55.227.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.88.55.227.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.88.55.227]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm6897293yxg.33.2008.12.27.22.48.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:48:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <7E4B77E8-1812-4611-9877-1D1A8665083A@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:48:01 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 64.233.170.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=SFZn-F905UEcGO3lPPUb_1yiS0T-x6QQtOg0fi-cTmm1ISm2KuCSsWCEUE1E_g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 28, 2008, at 12:22 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > What do you mean when you say: "half wave antennas don't tune very > well"? > > My best DXs were when I used two invert "V", one to 80 and another > to 40 meters with my loved Kenwood TS-130S. The Inverted V used on the Shortwave Amateur Bands are a whole different critter than the Mast Radiators used my nearly ALL stations on the Medium Wave AM Broadcast Band. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mast_radiator > When I changed to a vertical multiband array (Cushcraft, AV-4), Yea my AV-4 won't put a signal out of it's Shadow. I use a "Mystery Antenna" http://www.w5gi.com/mysteryantenna.htm set up as an Inverted V on my HF Amateur Station and I love it. > Does somebody knows a GOOD website about AM antennas? This one about Blaw-Knox Diamonds is interesting: http://www.bbceng.info/Install/Transmitter%20Projects/Reminiscences/Lisnagarvey/Lisnagarvey_Blaw-Knox.htm > I mean, construction diagrams, connection network, etc. This one looks interesting: http://www.eh-antenna.com/Ham_intro.html I may have to play with one myself! Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Dec 28 12:13:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4545 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2008 20:13:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2008 20:13:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2008 20:13:44 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c23.52e35412 (39952) for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:13:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:13:38 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_s1AVKyawGJNsfwNNHCQWMzG2AORjMjD4gmnIaQA0MszaJPoxYgZrXUf41wDyHAk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting enough, Blaw Knox was a steel construction company, which was their main business, not antenna masts. B-K developed a structural design in the early 30s which allowed for taller towers. WSM in Nashville still has theirs, which is 1/2 wave at 650 kilohertz as does WLW in Cincinnati which has 1/2 wave at 700 kilohertz. WHO in Des Moines has since modified theirs to segment it into a modified Franklin. Essentially, the Blaw Knox "diamond" was two self-supporting towers attached at what would be base and stood on one of the ends. The joined bases at half height are guyed. There have since been better structural designs which allow for stronger and taller towers. While AM towers, which are actually radiators, generally are shorter than 1000 feet because there is no advantage after 5/8 lamda height is reached, FM and TV towers, which are just supporting structures, can be much taller. The Blaw Know diamond design takes three times as much steel as a more modern design and is limited to around 800 feet in height because it uses essentially a self-supporting tower design to make up the two sections. Juan asked about shunt fed tower efficiency. There are stations that use shunt feed, although it is not as common. A shunt fed tower has a conventional ground counterpoise, however instead a base insulator, the base is directedly bonded to the ground system. The tower is fed at a higher point. This scheme eliminates the structural weakness of the base insulator and the tower is galvanically grounded for lightning protection. The only station that comes to mind that used this scheme was shipborne Radio Caroline. As it was a pirate operation, the UK radio authority was not provided with its antenna performance. As someone mentioned, the efficiency of a true Franklin is evident when KFBK, which can deliver a daytime signal to Arizona from Sacramento, CA operating near the top of the AM band over a poor ground conductivity path. Storz's KOMA in Oklahoma City had a three tower directional array of 1/2 wave conventional radiators at 50 kW that could put a night time signal into Viet Nam. However, it couldn't come close to producing the 1 mile field strength or daytime footprint of KFBK 's Franklins even at nearly the same frequency. The problem with the Franklin is the center insulator and fed point at half lamda. Base insulators can take hundreds of tons of compression, but not side load, which presents a structural challenge for a tall tower. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 28 21:18:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18223 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2008 05:18:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2008 05:18:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2008 05:18:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2008 05:18:11 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2008 05:18:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:18:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.40.144.22 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=kH4T9amUxcjewlsb0rW-mkuizYkHnSE-iwFZoSi5XHPC0guGfQuwlrS-BNFMgniddsmApDyP X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Interesting enough, Blaw Knox was a steel construction company,=20 which was=20 > their main business, not antenna masts. B-K developed a structural=20 design in=20 > the early 30s which allowed for taller towers. WSM in Nashville=20 still has=20 > theirs, which is 1/2 wave at 650 kilohertz as does WLW in=20 Cincinnati which has 1/2=20 > wave at 700 kilohertz. WHO in Des Moines has since modified theirs=20 to segment=20 > it into a modified Franklin. >=20 > Essentially, the Blaw Knox "diamond" was two self-supporting towers=20 attached=20 > at what would be base and stood on one of the ends. The joined=20 bases at half=20 > height are guyed. >=20 > There have since been better structural designs which allow for=20 stronger and=20 > taller towers. While AM towers, which are actually radiators,=20 generally are=20 > shorter than 1000 feet because there is no advantage after 5/8=20 lamda height is=20 > reached, FM and TV towers, which are just supporting structures,=20 can be much=20 > taller. The Blaw Know diamond design takes three times as much=20 steel as a more=20 > modern design and is limited to around 800 feet in height because=20 it uses=20 > essentially a self-supporting tower design to make up the two=20 sections. >=20 > Juan asked about shunt fed tower efficiency. There are stations=20 that use=20 > shunt feed, although it is not as common. A shunt fed tower has a=20 conventional=20 > ground counterpoise, however instead a base insulator, the base is=20 directedly=20 > bonded to the ground system. The tower is fed at a higher point.=20=20 This scheme=20 > eliminates the structural weakness of the base insulator and the=20 tower is=20 > galvanically grounded for lightning protection. The only station=20 that comes to=20 > mind that used this scheme was shipborne Radio Caroline. As it was=20 a pirate=20 > operation, the UK radio authority was not provided with its antenna=20 performance. >=20 > As someone mentioned, the efficiency of a true Franklin is evident=20 when KFBK,=20 > which can deliver a daytime signal to Arizona from Sacramento, CA=20 operating=20 > near the top of the AM band over a poor ground conductivity path.=20=20 Storz's KOMA=20 > in Oklahoma City had a three tower directional array of 1/2 wave=20 conventional=20 > radiators at 50 kW that could put a night time signal into Viet=20 Nam.=20=20 > However, it couldn't come close to producing the 1 mile field=20 strength or daytime=20 > footprint of KFBK 's Franklins even at nearly the same frequency. >=20 > The problem with the Franklin is the center insulator and fed point=20 at half=20 > lamda. Base insulators can take hundreds of tons of compression,=20 but not side=20 > load, which presents a structural challenge for a tall tower. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > ************** > One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,=20 > Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=3Dnew- dp& > icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000025) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang What is the base insulators made out of? KFBK AM 1530 is=20 very strong here in Loomis Ca . I am about 8 air mile north east=20 from there TX but at night thay are a lot weaker and thay role in and=20 out. Jim Smith NOR CAL From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Dec 28 21:48:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15419 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2008 05:48:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2008 05:48:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2008 05:48:44 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so1570827qwi.57 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:48:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.184.10 with SMTP id h10mr10739198qaf.153.1230529723585; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:48:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.35.153.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.35.153.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm28199623ywd.52.2008.12.28.21.48.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:48:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:48:13 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=BmFRI0chYWzf6YWxMO_tm_9j5vtzVy21_L63euejWQi1n3qWvHBRNJSbCcaAkg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 29, 2008, at 12:18 AM, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > What is the base insulators made out of? 99.99% are made of Glazed Ceramic. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 28 22:17:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3667 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2008 06:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2008 06:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2008 06:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2008 06:17:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2008 06:17:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:17:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.40.144.22 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=n40-oIWQLypl8X3mnZAThh5oRMbcN4HIcdzduS04IKulsmxzr773_0BZL-PUwHVDv4jhxlQ5 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > >=20 > On Dec 29, 2008, at 12:18 AM, jimsmith95650@... wrote: >=20 > > What is the base insulators made out of? >=20 > 99.99% are made of Glazed Ceramic. >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi P.H That would exsplane why it could not do side to side shift=20 loads. But i did not know that ceramic can handle that much wait=20 load. I know thats what thay use for hip replacements for the sockets=20 and titaineeum for the hip ball. Thay use to use nylon for the=20 sockets but for the younger folks they wor them out to fast so thats=20 why thay use ceramic now.My frend at 50 years old just went through a=20 full hip replacement. Jim Smith NOR CAL From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Sun Dec 28 23:06:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25641 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2008 07:06:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2008 07:06:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.147) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2008 07:06:17 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so5176853qwc.64 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:06:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.215.38.10 with SMTP id q10mr10755432qaj.264.1230534377000; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:06:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.35.153.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.35.153.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm16825609ywo.30.2008.12.28.23.06.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:06:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:06:10 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Lowp-57u9d2Krh_WXwQF9kiniamSXk72dYkqDNxv7pTStTsATZs2TvMKuxBbAg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 29, 2008, at 1:17 AM, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > I know thats what thay use for hip replacements for the sockets KEWL! So when I need me an insulator for an antenna project, I can just go find me somebody with an artificial Hip and nab the socket! Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From carrdave_1963@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 00:27:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: carrdave_1963@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77555 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2008 08:27:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2008 08:27:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2008 08:27:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2008 08:27:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2008 08:27:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:27:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 114.72.244.230 From: "carrdave_1963" Subject: 4BC Brisbane is transmitting in AM stereo once again. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=359098819; y=E9YoHfvBJM8ZNY4MGoEyr1z1GbH_5I-TvhOTum-d4y81I1Y7_sR9Bw X-Yahoo-Profile: carrdave_1963 I was listening to 4BC Brisbane yesterday (28/12/08) I for the first time since the 90's I was listening it in stereo via my setup comprising of the following, An Digitech AR1747 (An Redsun RP2100 clone) through an homemade 455kHz to 12kHz converter feeding into my PC sound card & using SoDiRa for the decoding of the signal. I made an recording of the raw down converted IF signal using SoDiRa & I need to make an recording of the decoded stereo signal that I can post on this site. In the last few months they were only transmitting an pilot tone with no stereo content & now I'm getting real stereo content on some Ad's & music at this is mostley an talk radio format this seems to be the beginning of something. Why they would do this I don't really know as there would only be a very small handful of people with the equipment to receive the signals. It's a far cry form the days when I used an home built decoder based on the MC13020 chip fed from the un-demodulated signals from an valve tuner & receiving signals from Sydney during the day when I was living in Dubbo. Happy new years everybody Dave Carr. From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 29 00:53:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81253 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2008 08:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2008 08:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2008 08:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2008 08:53:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2008 08:53:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:53:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.125.72 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: 4BC Brisbane is transmitting in AM stereo once again. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=EP-HsN-yXM7kohs2_rHF82iIsOyV9qyxj8qZZHq4ajbMEKhXobzvNJM-UzXBMbq1Qiqz_m2p X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "carrdave_1963"=20 wrote: > > I was listening to 4BC Brisbane yesterday (28/12/08) I for the first > time since the 90's I was listening it in stereo via my setup > comprising of the following, An Digitech AR1747 (An Redsun RP2100 > clone) through an homemade 455kHz to 12kHz converter feeding into my > PC sound card & using SoDiRa for the decoding of the signal. >=20 > I made an recording of the raw down converted IF signal using=20 SoDiRa & > I need to make an recording of the decoded stereo signal that I can > post on this site. >=20 > In the last few months they were only transmitting an pilot tone=20 with > no stereo content & now I'm getting real stereo content on some=20 Ad's & > music at this is mostley an talk radio format this seems to be the > beginning of something. >=20 > Why they would do this I don't really know as there would only be a > very small handful of people with the equipment to receive the=20 signals. >=20 > It's a far cry form the days when I used an home built decoder based > on the MC13020 chip fed from the un-demodulated signals from an=20 valve > tuner & receiving signals from Sydney during the day when I was=20 living > in Dubbo. >=20 > Happy new years everybody > Dave Carr. > Hi Dave Thats good news from down under. More good news the better.=20 In Los Angels Ca KNX AM 1070 use to be AM STEREO and thay are a 24/7=20 new station. Jim Smith NOR CAL USA From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 07:59:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19791 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2008 15:59:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2008 15:59:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2008 15:59:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2008 15:59:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2008 15:59:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:59:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.84 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=2PhUVFf2E1dY7m14TMwyw99dcbeRjprOsZbpZ3_nmMJwBfSwuA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@..."=20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > On Dec 29, 2008, at 12:18 AM, jimsmith95650@ wrote: > >=20 > > > What is the base insulators made out of? > >=20 > > 99.99% are made of Glazed Ceramic. > >=20 > > Kevin in Upstate SC > > KJ4HYD > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi P.H That would exsplane why it could not do side to side shift=20 > loads. But i did not know that ceramic can handle that much wait=20 > load. I know thats what thay use for hip replacements for the=20 sockets=20 > and titaineeum for the hip ball. Thay use to use nylon for the=20 > sockets but for the younger folks they wor them out to fast so=20 thats=20 > why thay use ceramic now.My frend at 50 years old just went=20 through a=20 > full hip replacement. Jim Smith NOR CAL > That's my good problem now: it is so hard to get a very good ceramic=20 (or another material) insulator that can support/tolerate enough=20 load today. I'm not sure if I could use the same old insulator I've=20 used today with the new tower. This is the central reason to my=20 question about how to build and how to connect a "direct to ground"=20 tower. Of course, this isn't the only one solution and I'll have to look=20 for all possibilities prior the final decision. The today "my" station tower is so good, but it will have 45 years=20 old next year. So, just as a precaution, we decided to replace it=20 and I'm in charge to find the better solution. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 29 15:26:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44188 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2008 23:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2008 23:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2008 23:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bce.40a7b67e (14457) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:26:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:26:36 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=w_hJ7ca8LDRrf_VlXugw2K7MpTZcHiGAn31n_MkiqD4Cf9htbMO7k8neaAPhEqAJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The base insulators I have seen are some kind of ceramic. They will take tremendous compression, but most cannot sustain much side force, that is the force trying to break it in half from the side. With a properly guyed tower, this force is absorbed by the guy wires resulting in only a vertical compression force impressed on the base insulator. Sometimes a direct lightning hit is sufficient to shatter the base insulator which generally brings down the tower. That's why it is a good idea not to have the studios and offices at the base of the tower, especially when the tower it subject to ice loading. A length of ice that may break off near the top of tower can speer a car all the way through to the ground. Sometimes lighting may burn a conductive path through or around the base insulator. The internal, sometimes intermittent, hidden burned path can be the most difficult to deal with. That's what was theorized to have happened at DeeGee. Everything would be fine and dandy when for no reason the common point current would dropoff and the final plate current would go up. The current ratios would go to crap. Then for reasons never understood, the problem would miraculously disappear. Some thought there was a corroded connection in the buried ground system, others thought it was an internal short in the base insulator on one of towers. Neither could be isolated or confirmed with an impedance bridge. Personally, I thought it was voodoo. The problem with some high power clear channel stations is a dead zone where the groundwave falls off before the skywave returns to earth. The old KOMA back in the Storz days put 50 kW into a West firing halfwave array at 1520 khz. KFBK is at 1530 khz. KOMA had a scorching principle lobe field intensity. KFBK is even 50% hotter, thanks to its Franklin antennas. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 29 15:28:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48470 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2008 23:28:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2008 23:28:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2008 23:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c76.3bba06f4 (14457) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:28:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:28:17 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=C5WHff3PpZfWRD1_7I1YkfKwCUY3UZjmsDAu1zDarB0n4d9M_BjcQe3NWl50AmqN X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/28/08 11:49:05 PM Central Standard Time, thepossumhunter@gmail.com writes: > 99.99% are made of Glazed Ceramic. > At more than one station, the air staff, while not ceramic, were also fully glazed. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 29 15:34:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63461 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2008 23:34:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2008 23:34:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2008 23:34:37 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d42.301669c4 (14457) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:34:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:34:30 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=AoXZjo_o2sA3c0AGTcAEe6xj1kr22CO88rNEKvRJEAg0JZJsupv3YxTuN5KO1dD7 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, A well constructed and maintained tower will last indefinitely. In the U.S., many stations have used the same tower(s) since they were built in the 30s. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alinton@iol.ie Mon Dec 29 15:37:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59013 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2008 23:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2008 23:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO totalbroadcast.net) (84.203.121.54) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2008 23:37:05 -0000 X-Received: from Spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.61) ID MO000EC4; 29 Dec 2008 23:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from spooler by mail.totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.61); 29 Dec 2008 23:37:00 -0000 X-SPAMWALL: Passed through antiSPAM test by SpamHalter 4.4.0 on mail.totalbroadcast.net (567) X-SPAMWALL: probability - 0.0% X-SPAMWALL: Whitelisted X-CLAMWALL: Passed through antiviral test by ClamWall 1.3.0.95 on mail.totalbroadcast.net (1080) X-Received: from fr1 (89.124.235.2) by mail.totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.61) with ESMTP ID MG000EC3; 29 Dec 2008 23:36:51 -0000 To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:36:49 -0000 Message-ID: <023301c96a0e$53ba8970$fb2f9c50$@ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclqDSe09B1cHsYoRuOglMwHMFL8UgAAKwkg Content-Language: en-ie X-Originating-IP: 84.203.121.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "Andy Linton" Subject: AM Stereo on air in Ireland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314; y=dKK7TpAUGj2sYHlDMPPyhLPHIS037nvt2Ba_SGYNQREh_q7AtYo X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AM Stereo is on air in Ireland, on a temporary basis. 'Zenith Classic Rock' is broadcasting from Waterford, in the south-east of the country, on 1584kHz AM Stereo from now to the 5th Jan 09, then for 6 weekends afterwards. It's a temporarily-licensed station, also locally on 103.8FM. The AM is via a BE AM2.5 transmitter into a quarter wave base fed mast (actually 102 degrees). And is sounding great! www.zenithclassicrock.com ---------------------------- Andy Linton. Kilkenny, Ireland. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 29 16:04:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19895 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 00:04:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 00:04:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 00:04:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81134 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2008 00:04:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wDh1VOsVM1m7iTXCdFEAE.uqynd_cAZ7g3dkAlY010BKoibolO7.yj6H.ct4qsvJNGo2VZxFcIsW5yHqIB3BVHVT3eLFm2uRfEZygKccUhv5VKqqPXU52a0K_4bMxpDgEdE4vFIaqXy29Z3aELqbVFk2GgZL8r81xKeQmcqTJOAe_zqvtIi.FayqnwqVsN.HHfiriSS_RuNdGeU.J3KqabqK_L6iuFH7WC5QiBojzibMKs6q X-Received: from [70.20.5.140] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:04:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:04:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <023301c96a0e$53ba8970$fb2f9c50$@ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <80950.76668.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on air in Ireland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=GZq7lNW7jBW71XpCFo2NjuwOv2Zt7ye6jszxDmmoTBpzWuw31iOx X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I checked out the site.=A0 Now, can Z.C.R. get a full license? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Andy Linton wrote: From: Andy Linton Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo on air in Ireland To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:36 PM =20=20=20=20 AM Stereo is on air in Ireland, on a temporary basis. 'Zenith Classic Rock' is broadcasting from Waterford, in the south-east of the country, on 1584kHz AM Stereo from now to the 5th Jan 09, then for 6 weekends afterwards. It's a temporarily- licensed station, also locally on 103.8FM. The AM is via a BE AM2.5 transmitter into a quarter wave base fed mast (actually 102 degrees). And is sounding great! www.zenithclassicro ck.com ------------ --------- ------- Andy Linton. Kilkenny, Ireland. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 29 21:01:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57209 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 05:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 05:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 05:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d68.38667896 (42807) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:01:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:01:10 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=c_4jo9QJHVlgLF_KUNfVlm_6XNfnYm8ZQnyfWG-fZmR-anzqSPqfMhg6PvaTqHgK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, KSL in Salt Lake City is a clear channel station on 1160 AM with a single shunt fed AM tower that is just a smidge over halfwave. The tower produces a field at 1 km with 1 kW of power of 399 mV/m. KMOX here in St. Louis is a clear channel station on 1120 AM with a single conventional base fed AM tower that is also just a hair over halfwave. The tower produces a field at 1 km with 1 kW of power of 399 mV/m. So apparently shut-feeds done right are just as efficient and don't require a base insulator. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 02:20:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54218 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 10:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 10:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 10:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2008 10:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2008 10:20:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:20:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <023301c96a0e$53ba8970$fb2f9c50$@ie> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.112.220 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: AM Stereo on air in Ireland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=qp5k_e8zBK_Qaw9963KFgmVSMGV0MRT5LuOJ2qZuoKE X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Andy=20 Good to see an AM Stereo station added at the EU list of CQUAM on air=20 signals!!! Wish I could hear it here at Greece.=20 I've also see that the Irish authorities are positive to provide=20 licenses for AMers also! Well that is a thing that would love to see=20 it happen also here at Greece. Strange that we are both at EU and=20 according to EU the laws upon such things should be solid for all=20 member states. Maybe I should apply for an AM license here and see=20 how they would deny it at me!=20 Can you provide any information about the certification procedures=20 that you have followed there? I would like to know more about the=20 legal matter of it, with pm, if possible.=20 Best regards & a happy new year with many hours of AM stereo... on=20 Irish air!=20 Sotiris Papadimitriou=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Linton" =20 wrote: > > AM Stereo is on air in Ireland, on a temporary basis. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > 'Zenith Classic Rock' is broadcasting from Waterford, in the south- east of > the country, on 1584kHz AM Stereo from now to the 5th Jan 09, then=20 for 6 > weekends afterwards. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > It's a temporarily-licensed station, also locally on 103.8FM. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > The AM is via a BE AM2.5 transmitter into a quarter wave base fed=20 mast > (actually 102 degrees). >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > And is sounding great! >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > www.zenithclassicrock.com >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > ---------------------------- >=20 > Andy Linton. >=20 > Kilkenny, Ireland. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From alinton@iol.ie Tue Dec 30 03:05:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53932 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 11:05:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 11:05:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO totalbroadcast.net) (84.203.121.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 11:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from Spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.61) ID MO000F56; 30 Dec 2008 11:05:08 -0000 X-Received: from spooler by mail.totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.61); 30 Dec 2008 11:05:02 -0000 X-SPAMWALL: Passed through antiSPAM test by SpamHalter 4.4.0 on mail.totalbroadcast.net (943) X-SPAMWALL: probability - 0.0% X-SPAMWALL: Whitelisted X-CLAMWALL: Passed through antiviral test by ClamWall 1.3.0.95 on mail.totalbroadcast.net (957) X-Received: from fr1 (89.124.235.2) by mail.totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.61) with ESMTP ID MG000F55; 30 Dec 2008 11:04:51 -0000 To: References: <023301c96a0e$53ba8970$fb2f9c50$@ie> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:04:48 -0000 Message-ID: <025d01c96a6e$70e14c90$52a3e5b0$@ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclqaDSy8B50wY8sTEepE3FZTlzRQQABYOmg Content-Language: en-ie X-Originating-IP: 84.203.121.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "Andy Linton" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on air in Ireland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314; y=9cogvEuna6FktLOaHtsVO3hPI4Jzm6M4tWkAJbjDahGo0Fu5fqw X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well in Ireland its possible and quite easy to apply for a 'Temporary' licence to run a radio station. One organization may hold a licence for 30 days per year - those days can be together or split up as you choose. Technically, the licensing authority tend to give you what you ask for, within frequency/power allocation constraints. The AM frequency we have is allocated at 1kW to the neighbouring county, so we asked for it to me moved and they agreed. As for AM Stereo, we didn't specifically ask for it, as there is nothing in the licence application that specifies whether its permissible or not, and as C-QUAM is compatible and does not require any extra bandwidth the authorities don't have a problem with it. In fact, AM is hardly used here at all any more, there is only one regular AM station on air here, that's RTE Radio 1 on 252kHz. Some temporary stations use AM as well as FM though. One that ended before Christmas were using 25kW on AM! The licence application form and guidelines can be downloaded from www.bci.ie Rgds ---------------------------- A reply from Andy Linton. From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sotiris Sent: 30 December 2008 10:20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on air in Ireland Hi Andy Good to see an AM Stereo station added at the EU list of CQUAM on air signals!!! Wish I could hear it here at Greece. I've also see that the Irish authorities are positive to provide licenses for AMers also! Well that is a thing that would love to see it happen also here at Greece. Strange that we are both at EU and according to EU the laws upon such things should be solid for all member states. Maybe I should apply for an AM license here and see how they would deny it at me! Can you provide any information about the certification procedures that you have followed there? I would like to know more about the legal matter of it, with pm, if possible. Best regards & a happy new year with many hours of AM stereo... on Irish air! Sotiris Papadimitriou --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , "Andy Linton" wrote: > > AM Stereo is on air in Ireland, on a temporary basis. > > > > 'Zenith Classic Rock' is broadcasting from Waterford, in the south- east of > the country, on 1584kHz AM Stereo from now to the 5th Jan 09, then for 6 > weekends afterwards. > > > > It's a temporarily-licensed station, also locally on 103.8FM. > > > > The AM is via a BE AM2.5 transmitter into a quarter wave base fed mast > (actually 102 degrees). > > > > And is sounding great! > > > > www.zenithclassicrock.com > > > > ---------------------------- > > Andy Linton. > > Kilkenny, Ireland. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 06:42:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69583 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 14:42:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 14:42:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 14:42:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2008 14:42:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2008 14:42:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:42:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.74 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Zxt7tEmrztfmLC4x4Ee0OxFaMgRnhCUjLfsxqnIjuLk9V2bcug X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > KSL in Salt Lake City is a clear channel station on 1160 AM with a=20 single=20 > shunt fed AM tower that is just a smidge over halfwave. The tower=20 produces a=20 > field at 1 km with 1 kW of power of 399 mV/m. >=20 > KMOX here in St. Louis is a clear channel station on 1120 AM with=20 a single=20 > conventional base fed AM tower that is also just a hair over=20 halfwave. The=20 > tower produces a field at 1 km with 1 kW of power of 399 mV/m. >=20 > So apparently shut-feeds done right are just as efficient and=20 don't require a=20 > base insulator. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Thank you so much for your time and data!!! I wonder if there is some way to get all the necessary connection=20 network diagram/scheme to this kind of "direct to ground" antennas. Unfortunately, due to "my" station today license, we have to have a=20 quarter wave height tower only (no more, no less; chilean rules,=20 sorry). About the security distance between the antenna base and the=20 transmitter cabinet, I've seen some installations where the TX is=20 out of the underground radials plane (1/4 wave out). I wonder if it=20 is good, thinking about the RF loss in the coaxial cable. Some idea=20 about it? In my case, the TX is around 15 mts (50 feet) away of the tower=20 base. If an atmospheric lightning ray touched our tower (it is a=20 very far, far away probability, but... we never know), I guess all=20 the energy falls directly to ground through a lot of metallic=20 objects present in the transmitter building, including the tower=20 base ground balls. Of course, I think it is a better solution to be permament in prayer=20 time asking for the Lord's care. A last question about the support wires around the tower: Is there=20 some "mathematical" theory/equation about how many insulators we=20 have to use on each wire? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Dec 30 08:56:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1520 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 16:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 16:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 16:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d57.15af1c14 (42805) for ; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:56:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:56:29 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=uVCrw_KzH-LLKmjJBQhee3KYDpTYHDUooby2apcDJusJOOY01-3AuTVfmdb90Mfg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Quarterwave towers work just fine with shunt feed. The tap point is generally 1/3 the way up the tower. See: http://lists.contesting.com/_antennaware/2002-12/msg00015.html Unlike FM and TV, AM transmission line loses are fairly low and it is a good idea not to have the transmitter shed directly at the base of the tower, although I have seen it done. In the continental U.S., icing can be a problem as well as lightning induced and other tower failure. If the tower fails or just ice or something else falls off it, you don't want it crashing into the transmitter shed, especially if it is occupied. Mike ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 30 09:43:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46782 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 17:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 17:43:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 17:43:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 53844 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2008 17:43:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uuTmpOkVM1nXq0JSxRD5XcDJyjv0zfMrUm7hPA0c_3rLr_a.LYNphpX_2Or_uQkndOjwiTTeOzPXvf8y9I57oZeMZsSWQGJyi_4lbuOnYhnUMu3C3b0CuDqJewh4xNwqItPxjAaXgHanZ.xsa70r6Kywe9qZfD9kp.NqNMjAbGKJHdpMTdHRpKAkz2gImb_nW3PveGqV5obvRc2cBVcB_Tz5kUcVDl06VHKDK18- X-Received: from [75.144.174.185] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:43:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:43:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <025d01c96a6e$70e14c90$52a3e5b0$@ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <750823.52388.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on air in Ireland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Nf8PhzN02lqpjrwZzWPQ-jxoXRBs0f3gkbXomWi6kX_4tnTdgUKD X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's too bad you couldn't get 567 & 729.=A0 Why won't they open up A.M./M.W= . if nobody's using it anymore?=A0 Or @ least 1485, 1584 & 1602 for local u= se? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Andy Linton wrote: From: Andy Linton Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on air in Ireland To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 6:04 AM =20=20=20=20 Well in Ireland its possible and quite easy to apply for a 'Tem= porary' licence to run a radio station. One organization may hold a licence for 30 days per year - those days can be together or split up as you choose. Technically, the licensing authority tend to give you what you ask for, within frequency/power allocation constraints. The AM frequency we have is allocated at 1kW to the neighbouring county, so we asked for it to me moved and they agreed. As for AM Stereo, we didn't specifically ask for it, as there is nothing in the licence application that specifies whether its permissible or not, and as C-QUAM is compatible and does not require any extra bandwidth the authorities don't have a problem with it. In fact, AM is hardly used here at all any more, there is only one regular AM station on air here, that's RTE Radio 1 on 252kHz. Some temporary stations use AM as well as FM though. One that ended before Christmas were using 25kW on AM! The licence application form and guidelines can be downloaded from www.bci.ie Rgds ------------ --------- ------- A reply from Andy Linton. From: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. c= om] On Behalf Of Sotiris Sent: 30 December 2008 10:20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on air in Ireland Hi Andy=20 Good to see an AM Stereo station added at the EU list of CQUAM on air=20 signals!!! Wish I could hear it here at Greece.=20 I've also see that the Irish authorities are positive to provide=20 licenses for AMers also! Well that is a thing that would love to see=20 it happen also here at Greece. Strange that we are both at EU and=20 according to EU the laws upon such things should be solid for all=20 member states. Maybe I should apply for an AM license here and see=20 how they would deny it at me!=20 Can you provide any information about the certification procedures=20 that you have followed there? I would like to know more about the=20 legal matter of it, with pm, if possible.=20 Best regards & a happy new year with many hours of AM stereo... on=20 Irish air!=20 Sotiris Papadimitriou=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com , "Andy Linton" =20 wrote: > > AM Stereo is on air in Ireland, on a temporary basis. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 'Zenith Classic Rock' is broadcasting from Waterford, in the south- east of > the country, on 1584kHz AM Stereo from now to the 5th Jan 09, then=20 for 6 > weekends afterwards. >=20 >=20 >=20 > It's a temporarily- licensed station, also locally on 103.8FM. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The AM is via a BE AM2.5 transmitter into a quarter wave base fed=20 mast > (actually 102 degrees). >=20 >=20 >=20 > And is sounding great! >=20 >=20 >=20 > www.zenithclassicro ck.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------ --------- ------- >=20 > Andy Linton. >=20 > Kilkenny, Ireland. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Dec 30 10:08:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46699 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 18:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 18:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.235) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 18:07:59 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W36 ([64.4.19.136]) by bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:07:59 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:07:58 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2008 18:07:59.0004 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C2545C0:01C96AA9] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Happy New Year X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=DAzS5GUfwb150ZvyVQMcqZcKLz8U3ZO3eEExbm4S3fy5l7puYblS X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please let me take this opportunity to wish all members of this forum the very happiest of New Years. I hope all of the members do well in this upcoming year. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alinton@iol.ie Tue Dec 30 14:21:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94297 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2008 22:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2008 22:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO totalbroadcast.net) (84.203.121.54) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2008 22:21:21 -0000 X-Received: from Spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.61) ID MO00107C; 30 Dec 2008 22:21:21 -0000 X-Received: from spooler by mail.totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.61); 30 Dec 2008 22:21:05 -0000 X-SPAMWALL: Passed through antiSPAM test by SpamHalter 4.4.0 on mail.totalbroadcast.net (763) X-SPAMWALL: probability - 0.0% X-SPAMWALL: Whitelisted X-CLAMWALL: Passed through antiviral test by ClamWall 1.3.0.95 on mail.totalbroadcast.net (1098) X-Received: from fr1 (89.124.235.2) by mail.totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.61) with ESMTP ID MG00107B; 30 Dec 2008 22:20:50 -0000 To: References: <025d01c96a6e$70e14c90$52a3e5b0$@ie> <750823.52388.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <750823.52388.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:20:51 -0000 Message-ID: <02da01c96acc$e02df270$a089d750$@ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclqphjN76RXrXqwRbaRTPTgxcmbCAAJpp6g Content-Language: en-ie X-Originating-IP: 84.203.121.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "Andy Linton" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on air in Ireland X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314; y=oC13kvfN69KXhRfqziUYaCdXy1xYa7aag1XUQIahJqIA7D4gWwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are actually lots of AM allocations in Ireland, all unused. Maybe they will make them available - the problem is that there isn't much audience left on AM to make it commercially viable. We could have asked for lower freqs alright, but our tx won't easily go below about 1500. ---------------------------- A reply from Andy Linton. From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JNR Sent: 30 December 2008 17:43 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on air in Ireland It's too bad you couldn't get 567 & 729. Why won't they open up A.M./M.W. if nobody's using it anymore? Or @ least 1485, 1584 & 1602 for local use? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Andy Linton > wrote: >From: Andy Linton > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on air in Ireland To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 6:04 AM Well in Ireland its possible and quite easy to apply for a 'Temporary' licence to run a radio station. One organization may hold a licence for 30 days per year - those days can be together or split up as you choose. Technically, the licensing authority tend to give you what you ask for, within frequency/power allocation constraints. The AM frequency we have is allocated at 1kW to the neighbouring county, so we asked for it to me moved and they agreed. As for AM Stereo, we didn't specifically ask for it, as there is nothing in the licence application that specifies whether its permissible or not, and as C-QUAM is compatible and does not require any extra bandwidth the authorities don't have a problem with it. In fact, AM is hardly used here at all any more, there is only one regular AM station on air here, that's RTE Radio 1 on 252kHz. Some temporary stations use AM as well as FM though. One that ended before Christmas were using 25kW on AM! The licence application form and guidelines can be downloaded from www.bci.ie Rgds ------------ --------- ------- A reply from Andy Linton. >From: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Sotiris Sent: 30 December 2008 10:20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo on air in Ireland Hi Andy Good to see an AM Stereo station added at the EU list of CQUAM on air signals!!! Wish I could hear it here at Greece. I've also see that the Irish authorities are positive to provide licenses for AMers also! Well that is a thing that would love to see it happen also here at Greece. Strange that we are both at EU and according to EU the laws upon such things should be solid for all member states. Maybe I should apply for an AM license here and see how they would deny it at me! Can you provide any information about the certification procedures that you have followed there? I would like to know more about the legal matter of it, with pm, if possible. Best regards & a happy new year with many hours of AM stereo... on Irish air! Sotiris Papadimitriou --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com , "Andy Linton" wrote: > > AM Stereo is on air in Ireland, on a temporary basis. > > > > 'Zenith Classic Rock' is broadcasting from Waterford, in the south- east of > the country, on 1584kHz AM Stereo from now to the 5th Jan 09, then for 6 > weekends afterwards. > > > > It's a temporarily- licensed station, also locally on 103.8FM. > > > > The AM is via a BE AM2.5 transmitter into a quarter wave base fed mast > (actually 102 degrees). > > > > And is sounding great! > > > > www.zenithclassicro ck.com > > > > ------------ --------- ------- > > Andy Linton. > > Kilkenny, Ireland. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Dec 30 16:28:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71297 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2008 00:28:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2008 00:28:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2008 00:28:29 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail02.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.142]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEXXRDAA43CMT2 for (sender ); Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:27:12 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD3usYBgmoQLZpD8qHx+w+h0= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail02.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N5PV2LCM; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:26:56 PST X-Received: from [99.129.29.63] by webmail02.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:26:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:26:10 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20081230.162610.7355.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:658899920 X-MAIL-INFO:141c89fc4ce1292df14ce185e1bdf9b8483ccd3d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.142|webmail02.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Happy New Year X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=ED9sLhboLqhhelgBLGwvHPdWpQ2jomiU5wvDNrJjhw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn To Celebrate the Holiday Season=20 a Donation has been made in your Name=20 to: The Human Fund =20=20 "Money For People" -- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: Please let me take this opportunity to wish all members of this forum the v= ery happiest of New Years. I hope all of the members do well in this upcom= ing year. =20 =20 MTGC (Michael) From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 30 19:01:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11362 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2008 03:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2008 03:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp121.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.94) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2008 03:01:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81557 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2008 03:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO r5a3e6) (jimsmith95650@75.41.74.176 with login) by smtp121.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2008 03:01:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mSTTLLkVM1ldOByBeGj_yVNZhVuvoSNP..tZbVlcgtjXx23EaPHgqjEfeZGscqN9O4UHgn_44.Gggo9z0cOz1w4ZNEyJ1Ar78CT_hy2IZRjTPvYXzXvhqEKJ953Kxub7RtxgfXvhFtnUl90tfBWD_g8L X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000a01c96af4$31c79e20$61e4fea9@r5a3e6> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:02:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Happy New Years X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=rBLybsSTbBzw4ZYXqd1QJsU2Jp6mC7qfANU0B8WtP4OLR6-DBXHmUECXYD2qw-IxGcOcQ7ln X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Happy New Years to one and all in the C-QuAM world. May be this the turning point we have been waiting for with AM STEREO. Jim Smith NOR CAL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 06:45:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54949 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2008 14:45:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2008 14:45:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2008 14:45:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 2563 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2008 14:45:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dFEtNEMVM1necOXUPq_0AphnnPaakmDAJZIEfkLDnaAA0jQiOrtB_0qeZnZGOVikDs50Sqe8Q2Mrj3MydGawgtZ.KrZFfTQqsYqJHsA6rE0ZnSHowEPdnu4NwmvR_mbXdyAMhHFaYp3zCcrnTH.d64.fGyDhJ40YIiqSOtTH8sIhIw-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:45:09 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:45:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <915917.472.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:Happy New Years X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=N2yFa2XB3g00ggDLwZ6IR8ZaWYXBaMtuLz2_qOKmhlhh4n9ScveXcrY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Happy New Year everyone - maybe more Citadel stations will run C-Quam at night in 2009 ! 73's John From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Dec 31 08:55:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70660 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2008 16:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2008 16:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2008 16:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2008 16:55:33 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2008 16:55:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:55:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001201c72d39$e1131b20$d50bfea9@jim8wpwl0kyh37> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.119.70 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Happy New Years X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=9LW0cvaUR5-YN321vvsoXSjbxInu8sc5ST4BzzqEVNw X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang Happy New Years in AM STEREO land!!!! Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Happy Stereophonic new year for all members... May the "pilot" be with=20 us! :)=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jan 03 14:11:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60418 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2009 22:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2009 22:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 22:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.244] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090103161055001773000013.0) with SMTP id <20090103161055001773000013> for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:10:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01e501c96df0$b33d7de0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:10:55 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=dFKq4rz9X9xSTyD4qQn2UzejPc9yNiK9vdK6nJlv-Z-ws_9Gkr9O X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KSTP's Franklin was usually OK except when there was a lot of static build-up, then it would cause the transmitter to keep tripping. If it got bad enough they'd go to the aux. daytime which was the center tower of their night array. Your mention of the creation of a conductive path through an insulator is something that happened to the new KSTP Franklin (old one went down in a storm back in 1980.) It took a lightning strike one night and the transmitter wouldn't work into it the next morning. Normally when something like that happens the insulator shatters, but this one didn't. Took us weeks to find the problem. First they hauled their big dummy load up the tower and determined the transmission line was OK. Not sure what else they did but someone discovered a direct short between the upper and lower sections. As to WDGY, theirs was one of the first nine tower directionals. There was so much that could have gone wrong I'm surprised it wasn't worse. It was a cool array to look at and had a unique lighting system. The four corner towers had double obstructions on them and the center tower had a red rotating beacon. I don't think that would be allowed on new construction anymore. I know a few other stations had them but that's the only one I ever saw. Some ham near Osseo WI got that beacon. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 1:13 PM Some stations have not had great success with the Franklin, one being KSTP in the Twin Cities. However, Storz's WDGY, also in the Twin Cities, had conventional vertical radiators and it was a bitch (a technical term) to get and keep their phaser in alignment. Maybe it is all that iron ore up there that makes things weird. - - - Sometimes lighting may burn a conductive path through or around the base insulator. The internal, sometimes intermittent, hidden burned path can be the most difficult to deal with. That's what was theorized to have happened at DeeGee. Everything would be fine and dandy when for no reason the common point current would dropoff and the final plate current would go up. The current ratios would go to crap. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jan 03 14:13:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33761 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2009 22:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2009 22:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 22:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.244] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090103161244002419600010.0) with SMTP id <20090103161244002419600010> for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:12:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <020201c96df0$f3cc4940$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:12:44 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=JCJPainOFgq3I917Q8HW3Rf-cugr4qtOw1ogqueZG5MPgY__YdTL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They're broken up into odd fractions of a wavelength so they don't re-radiate and distort the signal pattern. Usually they use something on the order of 1/7 wave. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:42 AM A last question about the support wires around the tower: Is there some "mathematical" theory/equation about how many insulators we have to use on each wire? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jan 03 14:27:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13837 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2009 22:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2009 22:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 22:27:41 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.244] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090103162715003125100014.0) with SMTP id <20090103162715003125100014> for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:27:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <021001c96df2$fba55740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:27:15 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4BC Brisbane is transmitting in AM stereo once again. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=_x5T4qKjoHhLFe-BWtHHsiz7o7R1TV9x1JdvEi0zBnx1exXVNCXp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm glad they're doing it at all. We've got an FM talker in this market that went to mono temporarily and they went back to stereo after a few months. I much preferred to hear the commercials and bumper music in stereo and I doubt I'm alone. Next time I see their engineer I'll have to ask him if it was done due to listener demand. With more FM stations going talk and the new generation of satellite receivers having the potential for all sources to be stereo, it wouldn't surprise me to see a lot of the talk networks going stereo. It could mean a resurgence of stereo on AM as well. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: carrdave_1963 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:27 AM In the last few months they were only transmitting an pilot tone with no stereo content & now I'm getting real stereo content on some Ad's & music at this is mostley an talk radio format this seems to be the beginning of something. Why they would do this I don't really know as there would only be a very small handful of people with the equipment to receive the signals. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 03 21:53:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59872 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 05:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2009 05:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 05:53:01 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bec.3030afd1 (30740) for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 00:52:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 00:52:58 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cunY2YU99i1-8wbBenWDPFQCNQ49ns59sIoEQZ11d1Jkbz5QXSewVZ-1dT02h1_7 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, You're right. One of the problems with Franklins is their height. They can be real lightning catchers. The hidden arc burn in insulators can be a perplexing problem because often the short is only under power. A scary thought is a direct strike strong enought to shatter the center insulator(s). You have a halfwave tower that *starts* falling from a height a halfwave above ground. As for the old WDGY, Todd Storz was the consumate showman. The Storz family beer fortune coupled with his flare and willingness to take risks made an awesome, and often unbeatable, combination. You would never find anything half-assed at one of his stations. As I recall, DG had some strong local competition back in the 60s. I don't mean the friendly WLS/WCFL rivalry, but all out warfare. DG had the power, but their competion had dial advantage. You're right about the WDGY array. It was designed before CAD and adequate simulators. Mike ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 08:46:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71814 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 16:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2009 16:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 16:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2009 16:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2009 16:46:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:46:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.173 From: "jotape1960" Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR FOR ALL!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9g4S2polTq6C3f4GKsj7C9KN7DAt1N0ei9kzZ_UWQQXtrJ1AKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I was absent this weekend (it was a very long holiday in Chile so...=20 you know, summer, very hot weather, the blue sea...) so I couldn't=20 send my greetings and hopes about this new 2009. I really want a very, very, very, very good year for all of us, and=20 our families and friends too. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 08:50:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29480 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 16:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2009 16:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 16:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2009 16:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2009 16:50:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:50:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <020201c96df0$f3cc4940$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.173 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=0EjShIHOi2qw-sXCfhjMn6K01n6duOHP6sEmwIYEuyq1PBKpSg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > They're broken up into odd fractions of a wavelength so they don't=20 re-radiate and distort the signal pattern. Usually they use something=20 on the order of 1/7 wave. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 I see. Thank you so much, dear friend!!! I insist if we use them as an invert "V", we'd get a better=20 performance, hahahahaha!!! Just a crazy idea from a crasy retired ham=20 man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 09:04:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62048 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 17:04:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2009 17:04:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 17:04:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2009 17:04:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2009 17:04:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:04:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.173 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=pETSJz9-FttlBTx26jFxtBIBkoegUNfn0OLCmK-Q_SyJ25sQPw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Scott, >=20 > You're right. One of the problems with Franklins is their=20 height. They can=20 > be real lightning catchers. The hidden arc burn in insulators can=20 be a=20 > perplexing problem because often the short is only under power. A=20 scary thought is=20 > a direct strike strong enought to shatter the center insulator (s). You have a=20 > halfwave tower that *starts* falling from a height a halfwave=20 above ground. >=20 > As for the old WDGY, Todd Storz was the consumate showman. The=20 Storz family=20 > beer fortune coupled with his flare and willingness to take risks=20 made an=20 > awesome, and often unbeatable, combination. You would never find=20 anything=20 > half-assed at one of his stations. As I recall, DG had some=20 strong local competition=20 > back in the 60s. I don't mean the friendly WLS/WCFL rivalry, but=20 all out=20 > warfare. DG had the power, but their competion had dial advantage. >=20 > You're right about the WDGY array. It was designed before CAD and=20 adequate=20 > simulators.=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 I wonder if there is some "more modern" solution to the atmospheric=20 lightning rays, today. My grand father ("my" station founder in 1933) always said "an old=20 vacuum tube TX could be "safe" with lightning, a new transistorized=20 TX, not." But I've never found a scientific proof for that. My only one experience with rays was several years ago when I=20 knew "the rest" of a very good AM TX, literally roasted by a=20 lighting, in a southern chilean city (Temuco). The rest of the=20 coaxial cable seemed a liquid piece of metal!!! SO, I wonder if today, with all the digital age, Internet network,=20 Computer kingdom, etc. etc. etc. ... IS THERE SOME PROVEN SOLUTION?=20 (ultra fast RF fuse? automatic output switch? smart ATU? ???) GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 04 13:03:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67656 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2009 21:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2009 21:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2009 21:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bda.3b832b81 (30738) for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:03:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:03:44 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=HbewlQlCapSO-J6GqHFxdj4bWhp1NhoIa37ZJiLRJchsndXXQeKhQ5Fnw81mFy1V X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I has been my experience that vacuum tubes are more survivable when it comes to ESD and lightning. I don't recall ever having to put on a wriststrap to change tubes. As I mentioned, a Franklin antenna is a full wavelength in height. At 1500 khz, that's only about 200 meters which is managable. At 1000 khz, that height goes 300 meters. At 750 khz, it climbs to 400 meters. At the Canadian clear channel frequency of 540 khz, a Franklin would be 556 meters or an astounding 1806 feet in height. At that height, the insulated upper half of the tower is in the clouds. Even without an actual strike, the large surface area of the upper half gathers static electricity. The traditional method of lightning protection is the ball sparkgap. The static buildup has to reach a considerable magnitude before the gap breaks down. When it does, there is a current surge as the free space capacitance of the tower is discharged. This provides a spike which can cause the reactive components of the ATU to generate thousands of volts which can break down the coax or turn the solid state final semiconductors back into sand. Sometimes, once broken down, the RF is enough to keep the conductive path ionized. However, most modern transmitters have output fault detection which shuts down the finals. When lightning strike and static buildup is a problem, your shunt fed idea is a good one. Maybe someone knows, but I don't, what the lowest broadcast frequency Franklin was ever built. KFI at 640 khz had a modified Franklin but it was far from full height. They used top hat and base capacitive loading to shorten the ideal theoretical height considerably. Scott, I was wondering if you could provide more detail on KSTP's experience with their Franklin? Coverage footprint, signal reports, etc.. Mike ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 16:53:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17801 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 00:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 00:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 00:53:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 93331 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2009 00:53:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: HO_H9x8VM1l8czQokl7306K_klJ_kW5nxFCByzUvXwC6rtFzw.DYC0.TfEF8R7FVIpLRXAemVAfDjxoCQo.fGvtQCb1_L.b2TowxHV2s05Ttryc4bjT7kvhNv._41dmuPH6JPrvxysdSZnOsTIZ8tQSXpD2koSaluqUesmrEyLof9A-- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:53:32 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:53:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <972277.91921.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Good LP Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=gpo0mFg0aj7-ZXelZFy0tXmLgJ7RCMoJs3YOibvr9fdUp9TvEPTIMmE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Happy New Year Everyone, During the holidays, has anybody gotten any ideas for a decent antenna to use with our low power CQUAM AM stereo transmitters to give good coverage all around the house (and maybe just the neighbor's too)? 73s John From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 04 18:15:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7323 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 02:15:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 02:15:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 02:15:40 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c0f.42474bfd (41811) for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:15:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:15:30 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Good LP Antenna Ideas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=wkyI6CgSirE4iwqb5GYXO-qH6Sb1ZG2Yo5ND8D157B7KA24Ya4QbQlZb3kWmin1Z X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about my Walmart Pot Hanger / Mushroom Anchor antenna? Mike ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 04 18:18:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34018 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 02:18:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 02:18:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 02:18:04 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cdb.4882444a (41811) for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:17:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:17:58 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pQPdbiQHCtcX5Kf-rArEoZbyQe7FLKcBc8sK9CkJ_ZKubi-29TK0LAgLpFFLqtxS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After some consideration, I believe it might be possible to shunt-feed a Franklin from the center eliminating the center insulator and galvanically grounding the entire tower. Mike ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Jan 04 21:53:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36576 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 05:53:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 05:53:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.67) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 05:53:05 -0000 X-Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com.int (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com.int [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 96BE918001B9 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:53:05 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.70) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 5 Jan 2009 05:53:05 -0000 X-Received: by ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 89ADB32675A; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:53:05 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:53:05 -0500 X-Received: from [71.185.158.124] by ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com with http for jmrouse@mail.com; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:53:05 -0500 X-Originating-Server: ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20090105055305.89ADB32675A@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> X-Originating-IP: 205.158.62.67 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Joseph Rouse" Subject: Re: {AMSF} a non-radio issue... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=pjZVp1WreZfjXNoaLSsxnW9Sz6w8oz7l73vRDulBZJVCRdWBARDZ X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a proud American-made Hillbilly, I reckon Ringo said it right the first time! "Don't" takes up less breath, time, and ink to say or write, thereby makin' it a more ee-ficient term.....y'all! (While y'all say tires, we say tars...20% savings in letters, so we ain't as dumb as some think, hah-hah!) Just saving energy, eh? I love it! ----- Original Message ----- From: "george russell" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} a non-radio issue... Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:08:03 -0800 (PST) --- On Sat, 12/13/08, george russell wrote: > From: george russell > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis eh ere efe > en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 8:52 PM > Yeah, that would be my best Christmas present, to turn on > CKLW while up north, and hear "the rock of the wor-ld, > XEROK" again. > > I've got the most awful chest cold right now, but am > GRATEFUL! HUH?!? > Well, they say if life hands you lemons, make lemonade, > right? > A friend just pointed out that in my current temporary > condition, I sound exactly like the guy that introduces Art > Bell! So, I think I'll go warm up the Minidisc deck, > and cut a few jingles before I revert back to my > octave-higher self, hah-hah! (how's THAT for positive > thinking?) > George > > > > --- On Fri, 12/12/08, Joseph Rouse > wrote: > > > From: Joseph Rouse > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Border Blasters was: O.T.: equis > eh ere efe en See-you-dad A-coon-ya, Meh-hee-koh > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 10:09 PM > > BTW, unless they just bought the 150 k., they actually > have > > 3 Harris > > > Destiny 50 kW. boxes, but can run them together when > the > > mood suits > them. > > (Wish it would suit them to lease it out as a top-40 > > again...sigh!) > > > Gets my vote! > > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 04 21:57:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85252 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 05:57:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 05:57:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 05:57:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12362 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2009 05:57:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: K1MtyeUVM1myuUnfiHG6zDrVGU4BLlD1ayWit_1MGmxHvdK77wir4Da1QeibUy9ohn5brCVDmymzQmfNw2hylesAzYt_Yy.ZASr2gTNONxqocfQ06f5_hS1SvWqyqpiAABByUPdH8nY25pum6n.SwPbknFO4LyJ5gGp0LUxK_b7HfqRgzMFaWy1vmkDRZgOx11UjJDrvN49hEdNh_q73wa2NkboH5id_UzFVBEQ49i1_833Z X-Received: from [64.223.61.147] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:57:26 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:57:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <332870.12174.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} HAPPY NEW YEAR FOR ALL!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=NArJzeT_y6zLItQpxM3yy1nlQeO00sHRNrE1bLmmEN2fXa0PDyNx X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sure, rub it in!=A0 Cold & snow on the ground here!=A0 "20 degrees & the ho= ckey game's on...." --- On Sun, 1/4/09, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: {AMSF} HAPPY NEW YEAR FOR ALL!!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 11:46 AM =20=20=20=20 Hi Gang!!! I was absent this weekend (it was a very long holiday in Chile so...=20 you know, summer, very hot weather, the blue sea...) so I couldn't=20 send my greetings and hopes about this new 2009. I really want a very, very, very, very good year for all of us, and=20 our families and friends too. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 13:08:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48333 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 21:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 21:08:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.232) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 21:08:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 1725 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2009 21:08:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AxoUtQgVM1kBjykvPDLhr_.jJwuor3vK851V0QxVf0dgsx1smguMPNl3k2HrWvNh06ujijl2CippCPMkrjWx7WZutnqGampfQ.C1ma4l6iaa5TqW33QUVGHPfn_bzMJlepkGge2_bhBiKherY55RJ7al4YXU8I9BmjJYU.tzW2ORpUahNzhIn3.WUbc6 X-Received: from [64.222.63.224] by web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:08:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:08:05 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <354750.840.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: WBZ IBOC reportedly off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=d6Q5kvtWXgVUEDZPXL2xD8HyNyH5Lafjlq7Yo_yhP6wU5vOlyGwF X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't hear the IBOC here in East Providence, R.I. (50mi. away) so maybe i= t's gone for good.=A0 Reportedly they are having xmtr. difficulties.=A0 I h= aven't heard stereo music yet & I don't have a radio that detects pilot ton= es so maybe somebody closer to Boston would be able to tell. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (V31VQ license is being renewed) =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Jan 05 13:38:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94564 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 21:38:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 21:38:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 21:38:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2009 21:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2009 21:38:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:38:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <354750.840.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.240.134.22 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: WBZ IBOC reportedly off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=q4Y2C-YQPZh0IdUNP1E3xw2QknZqoKWK7n4lImPN670xkqs5Ra7E X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Just in time for us to not hear local programming at WBZ overnight=20 for the first time ever. Thanks CBS in New York... Thanks alot. All their sponsors should gang up and buy WBZ Radio and TV. New=20 Englanders have a juggular.. and we'll be watching this stupid=20 programming decision and it's effects closely. Bob at WSTJ St Johnsbury, VT --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > I don't hear the IBOC here in East Providence, R.I. (50mi. away) so=20 maybe it's gone for good.=A0 Reportedly they are having xmtr.=20 difficulties.=A0 I haven't heard stereo music yet & I don't have a=20 radio that detects pilot tones so maybe somebody closer to Boston=20 would be able to tell. >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 > (V31VQ license is being renewed) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 13:44:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31015 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2009 21:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2009 21:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2009 21:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2009 21:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.227] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2009 21:44:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:44:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.230 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=gPbnwc68OfarHiaTeRRGf2V7U1a_WUuev4bcd1nFQ3uVOFm5Pg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > After some consideration, I believe it might be possible to shunt- feed a=20 > Franklin from the center eliminating the center insulator and=20 galvanically=20 > grounding the entire tower. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Yes, you're right. An old ham friend worked with it on 80 meters=20 with a very, very good DX signal, unusual in 80 meters daytime. Of course, the ideal thing is to build an horizontal Franklin=20 and "curve" it a litle and... YOU GET A VERY KNOWN INVERT "V",=20 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Sorry, my ham routine again. About the lightning (and not the atmospherics only), How much safe=20 are the "modern" anti-lightning protection in the 100% solid state=20 TXs? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 05 17:53:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50889 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 01:53:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2009 01:53:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 01:53:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 53656 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2009 01:53:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: p59oC1UVM1mCQ_Jc5iTrLodGHKohv01GCWh7XVj2mEm84m9_ABA.sV2JzHWg6BzosS6JU98ieoSEpZSP2Eo7Bjr.e8kgCvgntfOZbV8qKg4XMdnqaGq0f1mzwJ3oAl6NvfeX_eLw5L.wbGipo.H0bO.wiIhS58Mx8DrQZU5HvCF7MfHiWCZHAcqN46CKmA-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:53:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:53:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <525791.53191.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Help! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=xJHUFhWsyWvYqqlFxip8lWmBsSrgo7sk-UjAVVFylkgnbA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Hello All, Does anybody out there have an owner's manual for a Denon DN-M2000R rack-mount MiniDisc deck? I can run it pretty much like a consumer deck as-is, but would like to know how to load/un-load the "hot-start" buttons, and the other "bells and whistles" elude me so far... Thanks, George From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 07 15:28:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38659 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 23:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2009 23:28:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 23:28:13 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c86.44a02506 (41809) for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:28:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 18:28:10 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=bxd76qBmm0p4BGaRUpKkIcxQp92zURp75YqgGHMAZ027kKHKEEkDAD1N8Yu5om1h X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I believe a horizontal Franklin is just a simple dipole. I am not certain what ESD protection modern transmitters use. The common practice in general design is to employ Schottky clamp diodes between the output and the supply rails. On of the challenges when it comes to transmitters is the antenna and ATU are resonant. A ESD pulse excites the circuit at exactly the carrier frequency which, by design, is hard coupled into the transmitter finals. So long as there is no follow-on current, breaking down a semiconducting junction is not destructive. However, usually the supplies or capacitance associated with the ESD source will provide the necessary current to "burn" a hole in the junction. Transmitting tubes tend to be robust. It takes alot of current for a fair duration to damage the plates. Obviously, solid state transmitters are survivable as they have become the industry standard. I don't know that most broadcast equipment can take a true direct strike of high magnitude. FM arrays are particularly subject to lightning damage because of their height, often 2000 ft. AAT. I can recall one station with 40kW of transmitter power. Lightning shorted one of elements. One could see the scorch marks on the hardline at halfwave intervals down the entire length of the tower. The really neat thing about a shunt feed tower is the simplicity of the ATU. Mike ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 08 09:12:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82286 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 17:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 17:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 17:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 17:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2009 17:12:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:12:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.163 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=frmbBuvqr_WLQTO2KFIIXqS6lpT_yg2ihoL1zILdwcgZ3aAp7g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > I believe a horizontal Franklin is just a simple dipole. >=20 > I am not certain what ESD protection modern transmitters use. The=20 common=20 > practice in general design is to employ Schottky clamp diodes=20 between the output=20 > and the supply rails. >=20 > On of the challenges when it comes to transmitters is the antenna=20 and ATU are=20 > resonant. A ESD pulse excites the circuit at exactly the carrier=20 frequency=20 > which, by design, is hard coupled into the transmitter finals. >=20 > So long as there is no follow-on current, breaking down a=20 semiconducting=20 > junction is not destructive. However, usually the supplies or=20 capacitance=20 > associated with the ESD source will provide the necessary current=20 to "burn" a hole in=20 > the junction. Transmitting tubes tend to be robust. It takes=20 alot of=20 > current for a fair duration to damage the plates. >=20 > Obviously, solid state transmitters are survivable as they have=20 become the=20 > industry standard. I don't know that most broadcast equipment can=20 take a true=20 > direct strike of high magnitude. FM arrays are particularly=20 subject to=20 > lightning damage because of their height, often 2000 ft. AAT. I=20 can recall one=20 > station with 40kW of transmitter power. Lightning shorted one of=20 elements. One=20 > could see the scorch marks on the hardline at halfwave intervals=20 down the entire=20 > length of the tower. >=20 > The really neat thing about a shunt feed tower is the simplicity=20 of the ATU. >=20 > Mike >=20 Yes!!! An horizontal Franklin is just a simple half wave dipole. I'm=20 sure there was some AM station with it, somewhere, but I don't know=20 the results. About the TX final output protections, I know all of us will think=20 I'm a complete moron but I've always thought the best final testing=20 proof of any TX (any frecuency, any power, any modulation system)=20 must be... A FULL SHORT CIRCUIT IN THE OUTPUT TERMINAL!!! If the TX can survive=20 it at full rated power, then it is ready for any service. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 08 11:11:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43841 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2009 19:11:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2009 19:11:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2009 19:11:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c0c.510c73e0 (39329) for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:11:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:11:09 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=iXDiuBGd6OntB0kezEnBE3bNkn5mqwm1mUa1qTlprlHQiSAnU1PDgaYJdkLWEtCO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Franklin itself is indentical to a vertical dipole, EXCEPT unlike the dipole, the two halves are feed IN-PHASE. If they were fed 180 degrees out of phase, like a horizontal dipole, there would be no radiation in the horizontal plane! WHO in Des Moines has a modified Franklin that was developed in-house. It is not full height and uses capacitive loading at the base to tune it. For this reason, it has a base insulator which the true Franklin does not. Only the upper section is driven. The lower section is coupled from the upper section. I can say firsthand, the arrangement works very well as WHO has a scorching signal in the Midwest. Unlike an audio amplifier, shorting the output is not necessarily the worst case for a transmitter. Every transmitter I know of uses a tuned PI network to match the output to the finals. When the output is shorted, it detunes this network, so a short is not reflected back to the finals. Modern transmitters usually have a VSWR monitor which shuts down the finals if it gets too large. Mike ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 09 05:32:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56331 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 13:32:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 13:32:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 13:32:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95943 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2009 13:32:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BVlSwOkVM1mVoq0VjjaZfEqU6yrfYPxRF6PnxR3Us3NiRO4n8JA8PYTRgteWKLQ.cPfH9z37PAydhwBaKnp5o5bjHOz3G4CXNwoZ35SgkJ8RJVTkngojpNfSY02V9uTTWVUVAc.IHWrjjGjrAM640beDpSZiTMyeME2tI57AhBtpyQ-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:32:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:32:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <30885.95913.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: BIG AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jJiaZlnNEHzTRXIPLNVSoG05-Aw9TvYCI1FbKqWO2lJoc5NUReQyI3k X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Didn't WLW have a special deal (when they were 500KW) that would break the output to the transmitter when it exceeded 100% modulation or a lightning strike that would lock-up the transmitter? From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 09 10:07:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76693 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 18:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 18:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 18:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.be7.43c5b0cc (33856) for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:07:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 13:07:45 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: BIG AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fqgb3WUV7grF71RhiGwrT0xAc1Qrvx3WKEjuFJrjqi_OI7s0BZNbFHN6EIyz3zHS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When WLW was running superpower (500kW), they had the usual spark gap on their Blaw Knox halfwave. The problem was when a static discharge would break down the gap, the RF was enough to keep the gap ionized. They developed a photocell arrangement that detected the flashover and would shut down the finals until it cleared. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bc d=DecemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 09 11:03:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93069 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 19:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 19:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 19:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.235] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090109130250001789200010.0) with SMTP id <20090109130250001789200010> for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:02:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005701c9728d$746808a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <354750.840.qm@web54008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:02:50 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WBZ IBOC reportedly off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Fv5n7ZtD4QNPp7YfdolghSu9bbIbHPJF9kAHVkkWEqOm-6UhDO07 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Must be a very recent development. I was in MD from 12/26 to 1/2 and heard the hash very clearly. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: AMSF I don't hear the IBOC here in East Providence, R.I. (50mi. away) so maybe it's gone for good. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 09 11:18:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66954 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 19:18:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 19:18:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 19:18:13 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.235] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090109131808002999600017.0) with SMTP id <20090109131808002999600017> for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:18:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00c101c9728f$9719a5a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:18:08 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ShVCph8vTeg3PRLFDjZMx5H2PNbbRKBrg6cTd8Tsiv_RC-XWLoEa X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope- it's the same LENGTH as a dipole, but it's a colinear- the top section is in phase with the bottom half. That's what gives it such fantastic coverage. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I believe a horizontal Franklin is just a simple dipole. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jan 09 15:55:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76682 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2009 23:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2009 23:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2009 23:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2009 23:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.230] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2009 23:55:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:55:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c101c9728f$9719a5a0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.56 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=WdtUg3Aq07-lrkIKwI-ISALI2HnIaF6wnj-b0GsF0Dx5EL1foQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Nope- it's the same LENGTH as a dipole, but it's a colinear- the=20 top section is in phase with the bottom half. That's what gives it=20 such fantastic coverage. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 Did somebody try the reverse invert "V"? I mean, two towers to=20 support two rigid structures to get the two parts of the 90=BA bent=20 dipole, with the center near the ground. And I guess we could build two: one in the north-south line and the=20 other in the east-west line. Another solution, with a lot of money, could be more than two 1/4=20 wave towers, put at 1/2 wave of distance each other, the same to get=20 a directional array but... around the central tower (making 4 axis).=20 Yes, it's a lot of money but a wonderful gain. Of course, I don't=20 know how to connect it, but I guess there must be some place which=20 explains it. By the way, someday I read about an HF ham transceiver which could=20 run even with a simple nail in the ouput. It had an automatic tuning=20 system to match with any metal piece. Is there something like that=20 in the pro AM TXs? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 10 12:54:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64962 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2009 20:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2009 20:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2009 20:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cad.480c6e30 (32914) for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:54:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:54:11 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=RarF4jrvoVBZxQySMZtIFIY1EEH-5OestYsqCiqKN4lgv-sfi-VEiVDD82fvSJdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, Right you are. It is the same length as a dipole and has an insulator in the middle, but the two sections are fed in-phase rather than anti-phase. Just as the more common horizontal dipole nulls perpendicular to its length, a vertical dipole would null in the horizontal plane, thus actually minimizes the field in the *desired* plane of radiation. Feeding the Franklin in-phase in center is a challenge. Some, like the modified Franklin at WHO, do not drive the lower half. However, that may have been a compromise to keep height down. At KFBK, which has true full height Franklins uses a rather exotic transmission and feed system. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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Half a century ago, the reason may have been the state of art of structural engineering. More recently, the reason may be economic. I would have thought with the creation of the extended AM band with its higher frequencies, the Franklin would have had a resurgence. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 11 18:49:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68818 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2009 02:49:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2009 02:49:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2009 02:49:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2009 02:49:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2009 02:49:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:49:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005701c9728d$746808a0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.57.251.248 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: WBZ IBOC reportedly off X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=bYPktdd8s7dK_oGRbll0Dy4X0gq_GV1q7RznSkUsMJpXZXD0F6G-w7mOcT73WjC9BsB70CPs X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Must be a very recent development. I was in MD from 12/26 to 1/2=20 and heard the hash very clearly. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: JNR=20 > To: AMSF=20 > I don't hear the IBOC here in East Providence, R.I. (50mi. away)=20 so maybe it's gone for good.=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang KFBK's HD has been off most the time over the last week. Its=20 been very nice. Jim Smith NOR CAL From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jan 12 17:19:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64291 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2009 01:19:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2009 01:19:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2009 01:19:31 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.185] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090112191900002295500010.0) with SMTP id <20090112191900002295500010> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:19:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005201c9751d$83511400$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:19:00 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=TXgpuwsUYih79lGvfsDeAR4onlh1SsxzkixTowXZ18cGCYoLGAke X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Part of me wants to agree, but then most stations jumping on the bandwagon weren't in the best financial situation making even a half wave a big expense. Plus depending upon what part of the band they moved from they probably liked the idea of a tower that didn't need painting or lighting. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I would have thought with the creation of the extended AM band with its higher frequencies, the Franklin would have had a resurgence. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 12 21:23:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66002 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2009 05:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2009 05:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2009 05:23:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c05.53f52310 (30740) for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:23:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:23:03 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=q4rTorp7wcCXCaNAuCAZ34Ju-GIGYSIcyn1O1SdtMy4DG0dpGbWm-yjKqkvaBxv- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was listening to an audio treatise on the birth and rise of the Top 40 format and it seems the situtation today almost exactly parallels that of the radio era in general after WW II. The same drop in ad revenue and competing technology (TV). It was done for University of Kansas at Lawrence by Richard W. Fatherly. It is very authoritative and well done, with all the numbers. I think we have too many radio stations today. Further, I think we had too many radio stations when the extended band was opened up. The hope for the extended band was not for more radio stations, but better radio stations. The same forces that cause the existing AM stations into a race to the bottom soon took the extended band stations down with them. Even with 10,000 watts and full Franklin antenna, an extended band station has less coverage than a 5 kW midband and even a 1 kW station near the bottom of the band. The extended band simply does not lend itself well to daytime groundwave coverage. With each passing day, the wisdom of the New Deal seems ever more apparent. I believe the AM allocation scheme implemented in the 1930s was pretty smart and well thought out. The slash and burn lassie faire of Republican and Clinton economics has destroy in the infrastruction of this nation. By infrastruction, I don't mean just roads and bridges. I believe the better use of the extended band would have been a handful of continentally protected superpower stations, perhaps a megawatt or more, to cover large metropolitan areas during the day and vast portions of the country at night. Then again, I am not running things. Yet. Mike ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 12 22:02:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87555 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2009 06:02:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2009 06:02:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2009 06:02:22 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d32.49952305 (30740); Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:02:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:02:14 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: MJGRANT@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Reel Radio Repository - A Good Deal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=0C0MP_8x_Xpcn3nJzZQ6qrr-aROwwfJg3_b6uIwq_G45WjvvoSmsZXWUt8pmcX9d X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a guy who collects airchecks and other program material from the old Top 40 stations across the country. He is the guy who did the YouTube for the Big 89 Rewind on WLS. He was interviewed by I believe Chris Seibel. His collection is massive. I don't mean 5 or 10 minute snippets, but 50 minutes. How he got them, I have no idea. There are literally hours of listening for stations like KFRC and many other stations. The cost of access is just $12 a year, which is tax deductible. A true bargain. In recent months I have struggled with health and relocation issues which have gotten me in a funk. After an hour of Don Rose on KFRC, I was laughing my head off. Just what the good doctor ordered. Mike ************** New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://news.aol.com?ncid=emlcntusnews00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 05:57:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83603 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2009 13:57:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2009 13:57:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2009 13:57:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2009 13:57:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2009 13:57:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:57:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.185 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_D8YFKcb8_qI3GLUAHZyKh18vu5ATYz0OuBLsK10BKygmagggw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I was listening to an audio treatise on the birth and rise of the=20 Top 40=20 > format and it seems the situtation today almost exactly parallels=20 that of the=20 > radio era in general after WW II. The same drop in ad revenue and=20 competing=20 > technology (TV). It was done for University of Kansas at Lawrence=20 by Richard W.=20 > Fatherly. It is very authoritative and well done, with all the=20 numbers. >=20 > I think we have too many radio stations today. Further, I think=20 we had too=20 > many radio stations when the extended band was opened up. The=20 hope for the=20 > extended band was not for more radio stations, but better radio=20 stations. The=20 > same forces that cause the existing AM stations into a race to the=20 bottom soon=20 > took the extended band stations down with them. >=20 > Even with 10,000 watts and full Franklin antenna, an extended band=20 station=20 > has less coverage than a 5 kW midband and even a 1 kW station near=20 the bottom of=20 > the band. > The extended band simply does not lend itself well to daytime=20 groundwave=20 > coverage. >=20 > With each passing day, the wisdom of the New Deal seems ever more=20 apparent.=20=20 > I believe the AM allocation scheme implemented in the 1930s was=20 pretty smart=20 > and well thought out. The slash and burn lassie faire of=20 Republican and=20 > Clinton economics has destroy in the infrastruction of this=20 nation. By=20 > infrastruction, I don't mean just roads and bridges.=20=20 >=20 > I believe the better use of the extended band would have been a=20 handful of=20 > continentally protected superpower stations, perhaps a megawatt or=20 more, to=20 > cover large metropolitan areas during the day and vast portions of=20 the country at=20 > night.=20=20 >=20 > Then again, I am not running things. Yet. >=20 > Mike >=20 > I don't know if you'll agree with me but here, my beautiful country=20 CHile, there is an old project (sleeping in some goberment office)=20 to reduce the power of all AM stations to 500 Wts with the final=20 idea to have more stations but with less coverage area (just local=20 stations to some populated areas). Of course, it would be the end of=20 the DX. Just an idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Jan 13 08:08:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14908 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2009 15:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2009 15:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2009 15:51:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2009 15:51:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2009 15:51:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:50:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.240.134.22 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=mlclrrMQX_l76KG8Cjl7Zf7jROly2676rINxok15D5X2EaxcC3IS X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Simply put.. Independent thinking... undimmed by computerized playlists and focus=20 groups.. will get radio free again. This as a foundation underneath=20 a regional structure and a local heart. Bob at WSTJ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@ wrote: > > > > I was listening to an audio treatise on the birth and rise of the=20 > Top 40=20 > > format and it seems the situtation today almost exactly parallels=20 > that of the=20 > > radio era in general after WW II. The same drop in ad revenue=20 and=20 > competing=20 > > technology (TV). It was done for University of Kansas at=20 Lawrence=20 > by Richard W.=20 > > Fatherly. It is very authoritative and well done, with all the=20 > numbers. > >=20 > > I think we have too many radio stations today. Further, I think=20 > we had too=20 > > many radio stations when the extended band was opened up. The=20 > hope for the=20 > > extended band was not for more radio stations, but better radio=20 > stations. The=20 > > same forces that cause the existing AM stations into a race to=20 the=20 > bottom soon=20 > > took the extended band stations down with them. > >=20 > > Even with 10,000 watts and full Franklin antenna, an extended=20 band=20 > station=20 > > has less coverage than a 5 kW midband and even a 1 kW station=20 near=20 > the bottom of=20 > > the band. > > The extended band simply does not lend itself well to daytime=20 > groundwave=20 > > coverage. > >=20 > > With each passing day, the wisdom of the New Deal seems ever more=20 > apparent.=20=20 > > I believe the AM allocation scheme implemented in the 1930s was=20 > pretty smart=20 > > and well thought out. The slash and burn lassie faire of=20 > Republican and=20 > > Clinton economics has destroy in the infrastruction of this=20 > nation. By=20 > > infrastruction, I don't mean just roads and bridges.=20=20 > >=20 > > I believe the better use of the extended band would have been a=20 > handful of=20 > > continentally protected superpower stations, perhaps a megawatt=20 or=20 > more, to=20 > > cover large metropolitan areas during the day and vast portions=20 of=20 > the country at=20 > > night.=20=20 > >=20 > > Then again, I am not running things. Yet. > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > > >=20 > I don't know if you'll agree with me but here, my beautiful country=20 > CHile, there is an old project (sleeping in some goberment office)=20 > to reduce the power of all AM stations to 500 Wts with the final=20 > idea to have more stations but with less coverage area (just local=20 > stations to some populated areas). Of course, it would be the end=20 of=20 > the DX. >=20 > Just an idea. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 13 09:44:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2635 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2009 17:44:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2009 17:44:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2009 17:44:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c7c.41a4958b (42805) for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:44:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:44:28 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-mvFJfo5RbGuPHwiFHDwrGYAR8XI4hiEIFAXLzmfcejF9ppd-PcoBYku60ts-_Mn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Is broadcasting in Chile commericial? That is, is it supported through advertising? Here in the U.S., we have both commercial and noncommercial broadcasting. Commercial broadcasting is a government licensed private enterprise supported by the sale of advertising air time. Noncommercial broadcasting is government licensed but not government owned. They must derive their revenue through other sources such as donations, grants, etc.. Commerical broadcasting must compete in the marketplace for the revenue which keeps them afloat. The advertising market is just like any other market, there is supply and demand as well as competition both between stations and with other media. Adding more stations, with a declining overall audience, brought about destructive competition. Destructive competition is not trying to gain audience through better programming, etc. but rather price cutting to take existing ad time away from the competition. It's Walmarting. Price cutting of sales drives cost cutting of expenses, so the quality declines. Some stations can't cut enough costs to remain economically viable and perish. What is left is bottom of barrel scavengers selling the same junk programming. Diversity in marketplace disappears. The selling point, not to be confused with the truth, for the extended band stations was to have new model stations to provide more local programming. The same rationale was given for decreasing protection of the big clear channel stations allowing secondary Class II stations on the same frequency to operate during the evening hours. However, the truth was broadcasters just wanted to get their hands on more bandwidth to steal ad revenue away from the competition with low cost automation or satellite programming. A station that tries to maintain quality live local programming and such things as a news department simply cannot compete on a cost basis. The result, to borrow a term from past FCC Chairman Newton Minnow, is the AM band has become a vast wasteland dominated by rightwing propaganda. There was a movie many years ago called "Brazil", name for a particular song rather than the country. It was a futuristic world where no matter what station on the dial you tuned into, you got the same song (Brazil). It is almost that bad now, only it's Rush and Hannity. Paradoxically, Franklin D. Roosevelt was the savior of modern capitalism. FDR learned from Bismarck and the Weimar Republic in 19th. Century Germany. Bismarck learned that capitalism had to be tempered with modest socialism if it was to ultimately survive. Unrestrained capitalism's ultimate result was Communism. In the worldwide depression of the 1930s, the industrialized countries faced the same challenges. Why the U.S. didn't go the same way politically as Germany was because of FDR's wisdom. Hunger people like starving animals get mean. One of the things FDR did was limit production. Farmers had been producing more food than there was a market for resulting in prices that were less than the cost of production. So farms failed and there was shortage of food. By limiting production, prices rose sufficiently to make farms viable once more and the nation had a steady reasonably price food supply. I think that is what needs to be done in broadcasting in U.S.. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 13 09:52:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73785 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2009 17:52:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2009 17:52:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2009 17:52:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c0b.4df91f8f (42805) for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:52:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:52:11 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CF8jtp1bBmCz5JoPOZhmfGBSVOlFxxEMpB4NOoxhFfSaaPj7DGpJdoO87NnxUuIK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right you are, Bob! The local stations here are going broke. My next door neighbor lost his job recently. The ad spot rates for the local stations are such that one can buy a 30 second spot for $5, and even that is discounted for volume. I've been listening to the old Top 40 stuff from the Radio Repository and it occurred to me what difference was between then and now. In those days, radio was entertaining. It made you laugh and feel good. I used to listen to Rush and Hannity, only because Air America has no local outlet. They don't make you feel good. They make you feel angry. They're propagandists, not entertainers. Even Tokyo Rose played hit music for the GI's. I have this Field of Dreams fantasy, that is, if you built a great radio station, people will listen. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bc d=DecemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 13 15:42:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15287 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2009 23:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jan 2009 23:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2009 23:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2009 23:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.100] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jan 2009 23:42:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:42:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.177 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=-S9h4Wl2FvLmHRyfVZ2iO90UfL9ZqetLq8JsBR3gF96kYd0lCA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > Is broadcasting in Chile commericial? That is, is it supported=20 through=20 > advertising? >=20 > Here in the U.S., we have both commercial and noncommercial=20 broadcasting.=20=20 > Commercial broadcasting is a government licensed private=20 enterprise supported by=20 > the sale of advertising air time. Noncommercial broadcasting is=20 government=20 > licensed but not government owned. They must derive their revenue=20 through=20 > other sources such as donations, grants, etc.. >=20 > Commerical broadcasting must compete in the marketplace for the=20 revenue which=20 > keeps them afloat. The advertising market is just like any other=20 market,=20 > there is supply and demand as well as competition both between=20 stations and with=20 > other media. Adding more stations, with a declining overall=20 audience, brought=20 > about destructive competition. Destructive competition is not=20 trying to gain=20 > audience through better programming, etc. but rather price cutting=20 to take=20 > existing ad time away from the competition. It's Walmarting.=20=20 Price cutting of=20 > sales drives cost cutting of expenses, so the quality declines.=20=20 Some stations=20 > can't cut enough costs to remain economically viable and perish.=20=20 What is=20 > left is bottom of barrel scavengers selling the same junk=20 programming. Diversity=20 > in marketplace disappears. >=20 > The selling point, not to be confused with the truth, for the=20 extended band=20 > stations was to have new model stations to provide more local=20 programming. The=20 > same rationale was given for decreasing protection of the big=20 clear channel=20 > stations allowing secondary Class II stations on the same=20 frequency to operate=20 > during the evening hours. However, the truth was broadcasters=20 just wanted to=20 > get their hands on more bandwidth to steal ad revenue away from=20 the=20 > competition with low cost automation or satellite programming. A=20 station that tries to=20 > maintain quality live local programming and such things as a news=20 department=20 > simply cannot compete on a cost basis. >=20 > The result, to borrow a term from past FCC Chairman Newton Minnow,=20 is the AM=20 > band has become a vast wasteland dominated by rightwing=20 propaganda. There was=20 > a movie many years ago called "Brazil", name for a particular song=20 rather=20 > than the country. It was a futuristic world where no matter what=20 station on the=20 > dial you tuned into, you got the same song (Brazil). It is almost=20 that bad=20 > now, only it's Rush and Hannity. >=20 > Paradoxically, Franklin D. Roosevelt was the savior of modern=20 capitalism.=20=20 > FDR learned from Bismarck and the Weimar Republic in 19th. Century=20 Germany.=20=20 > Bismarck learned that capitalism had to be tempered with modest=20 socialism if it=20 > was to ultimately survive. Unrestrained capitalism's ultimate=20 result was=20 > Communism. In the worldwide depression of the 1930s, the=20 industrialized countries=20 > faced the same challenges. Why the U.S. didn't go the same way=20 politically as=20 > Germany was because of FDR's wisdom. Hunger people like starving=20 animals get=20 > mean. >=20 > One of the things FDR did was limit production. Farmers had been=20 producing=20 > more food than there was a market for resulting in prices that=20 were less than=20 > the cost of production. So farms failed and there was shortage of=20 food. By=20 > limiting production, prices rose sufficiently to make farms viable=20 once more and=20 > the nation had a steady reasonably price food supply. >=20 > I think that is what needs to be done in broadcasting in U.S.. >=20 > Mike >=20 Hi Mike!!! Yes, here there are a lot of commercial stations and some non- commercial (catholics, protestant, etc.) stations too. Unfortunately, the USA problem is the same problem anywhere. Unfortunately, all the non USA world has inherited the best thing...=20 AND THE BAD THINGS of the USA system!!! Some things from the capitalism/consumerism world are good. But=20 others... In Chile we have had three economic systems in the last 49 years: 1) 1960 - 1970 : The mixdown between capitalism and socialism (the=20 politics called it: Market Social Economy). 2) 1970 - 1973 : The truncated full comunism system (Allende). 3) 1973 to present : The "new" Liberalism (Pinochet and others). Which was/is better? Mmmmmm.... Mmmmmm.... Mmmmmm.... In Chile, the "propaganda" issue is "THE" issue. It is a mortal war=20 between the stations. And, everybody knows the problem: more=20 stations, more competition, more cheap spots, less money input to=20 the stations AND... less personnel in the stations. It is an=20 unavoidable result of the capitalist system. I don't know a=20 solution. Do you? Well, I have a new solution. Just a dream: a world without money,=20 without commerce, without working schedules, without politics,=20 without boundaries, without social differences, without race=20 differences, without religion differences, with only one target: TO=20 LIVE IN LOVE AND PEACE. Too much science fiction? No. Just a crazy music dreammer. Hahahahahahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jan 13 18:46:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5869 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2009 02:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2009 02:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2009 02:45:56 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.116] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090113204519001347400010.0) with SMTP id <20090113204519001347400010> for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:45:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007501c975f2$c068d140$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:45:19 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ezEZKVVZchBgRugFS3ceOKxWDkfcslal_zcQfonABNmnHQPb9DOK X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He also introduced price supports that resulted in the government buying surpluses to the point food ended up being destroyed while many were starving. The farmers stopped losing their farms, but it didn't help the rest of the country. Read "The Forgotten Man" by Amity Shlaes and "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell. FDR's erratic economic policies actually prolonged the depression. The Wagner Act in 1937 set back what recovery there had been by making labor more expensive (translation- labor unions.) I won't disagree with you that there are too many stations, but you've got rose colored glasses on if you think radio was all that great 40 years ago. Sure there were a number of great stations and I remember listening to a lot of them. We not only had great competition between WDGY and KDWB, but it was fun to dial around and listen to WLS and WHB. I also remember traveling around and hearing a number of truly horrid ones too- ones that wouldn't survive today. Locally owned and operated is no guarantee of success especially today when radio has competition far beyond what television alone was able to create. Frankly I'd rather listen to a compelling national host than some mediocre local one. I find Jim Quinn of "The War Room with Quinn and Rose" as wildly entertaining as any of the top 40 jocks of my childhood. You'd think they were in the top 10 of talk shows the way Media Matters gets their undies in a bunch over the show's content. And don't forget the music mafia charging stations exhorbitant rates for playing music. That's partly why so much of AM radio went to talk, something that's now creeping onto FM. And I fail to see how a handful of powerful stations under the control of a few is any better than the same program on dozens of stations nationwide. The net result is the same program with the same coverage, though admittedly I would welcome the reduction in QRM. The thing I fear most is the local listener boards being proposed. (Can you say "Project Acorn"?) Likely they'll be comprised of local left-wing agitators that will make it miserable for anyone but the local Air America affiliate and maybe some of the pubcasters. Now you'll only get only two years to turn a station around and give the agitators what they want or the licence gets challenged and station goes up for sale again. Of course, nobody likes to ask the question what happens when they get their way and the station STILL fails? The cost of litigation alone will empty the band as companies decide it's not worth the expense of dealing with these miserable miscreants. And woe to any Christian station carrying Focus on the Family. What were your ideas of the best way to get rid of the excess of stations? There was once proposed turning in licenses for a tax deduction, the smaller stations would be the most obvious, but then those are also most apt to be owned by the little guys- the very ones you claim to want to protect. Perhaps bribing larger corporations to give up their worst signals in the largest markets? But as stations get fewer in number their prices will rise and the very people you're counting on to save radio will be unable to afford them. The law of unintended consequences is not only a bitch, but it's as inviolable as the laws of physics. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com One of the things FDR did was limit production. Farmers had been producing more food than there was a market for resulting in prices that were less than the cost of production. So farms failed and there was shortage of food. By limiting production, prices rose sufficiently to make farms viable once more and the nation had a steady reasonably price food supply. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jan 13 18:52:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25329 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2009 02:52:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2009 02:52:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2009 02:52:23 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.116] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090113205217002266800010.0) with SMTP id <20090113205217002266800010> for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:52:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008101c975f3$b9cea480$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:52:17 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1aFMSpivrvVhAN2JbpW2CXGLcSHXvw4sJ7OANwGZDtnta79DT3vS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're only half right. Unless you add killing the music mafia your proposal won't fly. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Welch To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Independent thinking... undimmed by computerized playlists and focus groups.. will get radio free again. This as a foundation underneath a regional structure and a local heart. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Jan 13 20:49:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93418 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2009 04:49:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2009 04:49:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2009 04:49:26 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 34so172698yxf.66 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:49:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.47.7 with SMTP id z7mr1104731ybj.167.1231908565784; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:49:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.38.49.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.38.49.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.38.49]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j40sm18331508rne.16.2009.01.13.20.49.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:49:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2F8E09BD-D3D5-4E60-BF00-BD71A79C49A8@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:49:09 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=FwpS7-XSTcbhFMrXdXm0uBush7lS7_p_1Bwe0RlkSXrXHPdfYPRehveXN7Crpw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 13, 2009, at 6:42 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > Well, I have a new solution. Just a dream: a world without money, > without commerce, without working schedules, without politics, > without boundaries, without social differences, without race > differences, without religion differences, with only one target: TO > LIVE IN LOVE AND PEACE. John Lennon had the same dream and was murdered for it. Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 13 20:53:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54566 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2009 04:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2009 04:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2009 04:53:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c08.539b073d (14467) for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:53:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:53:31 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=iRCroqG0LnVcWX_ECR7TEtkWdLAws5AFQ56BNgAF0uYZUxfAybT6Xcfsj5Ne20iC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/2009 8:52:43 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Unless you add killing the music mafia your proposal won't fly. > Actually..... Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bc d=DecemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 13 21:30:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97238 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2009 05:30:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2009 05:30:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2009 05:30:50 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cfa.4d499f12 (14467) for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:30:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:30:47 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KMrq4CIkOovGNuc495U13QgRbM9eVhkyTYoa0ycuCXOVp4ROx4Vvja2dRROJR9PZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/13/2009 8:46:26 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > I won't disagree with you that there are too many stations, but you've got > rose colored glasses on if you think radio was all that great 40 years ago. I don't know about rose colored glasses. I worked in radio back in those years. There was staff, lots of staff, and they weren't on verge of starvation. People could focus on doing their jobs, not trying to figure out ways to keep them. It showed in the product. That product commanded an audience. That audience brought ad rates that could support the staff. You mentioned WeeGee in the Twin Cities and KDWB. Two great stations. That was constructive competition. They didn't compete by cutting their staff and technical capabilities to reduce their rate cards to steal the competition's ad revenue. They strove to be BETTER than the other, not CHEAPER. Storz's complaint was that WeeGee's management wasn't spending enough to put down the competition. You mentioned WHB. I am familar with their directional array in those days. I know they covered Omaha even during the day but I didn't think coverage extended as far as the Twin Cities. WHB was a great station when Rush was nothing but a pimple on the Royal's butt. One thing I would do to reduce the number of stations is establish minimum live local content requirements and restrict Class II stations to extend protected service areas of dominant Class IA stations. What the FCC giveth, the FCC can taketh away. There is enough FM receiver saturation that the FM'ers can provide fulltime coverage in smaller markets. I would also restore the multiple ownership rules. Radio in general, and AM radio in particular, needs to re-invent itself once more. That's not going to come from the government, nor would I want it to. It will take someone alot smarter and creative than I am to do that. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bc d=DecemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Jan 13 21:53:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 495 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2009 05:53:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2009 05:53:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f21.google.com) (209.85.221.21) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2009 05:53:27 -0000 X-Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14so635497qyk.9 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:53:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.214.11.14 with SMTP id 14mr11132513qak.199.1231912407065; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:53:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.38.49.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.38.49.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.38.49]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1769604yxj.28.2009.01.13.21.53.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:53:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:53:21 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=8Tmsjvuq5uLRv-2dQ4qVLZAchSWnJBX6aVg1jGp0WnMeTIxQDcbx8GlWaaypAQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:32 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Kevin, > > You don't find lyrics like that anymore on the radio. ah, but if you want to hear "REAL RADIO", just flip on your Short-Wave to WBCQ 5110 from 6 till 8PM Eastern for Area 51 http://schedule.wbcq.com/main.php?fn=show_program&id=77 and "Radio Timtron Worldwide" Saturday evening at 8PM Eastern on 5110 and Simulcast on WBCQ 7415. http://schedule.wbcq.com/main.php?fn=show_program&id=42 Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Jan 14 08:06:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51955 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2009 16:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2009 16:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2009 16:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEY6DL4AMGULY2 for (sender ); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:05:46 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD4SfvZ6GCSRgFTq6Gb0qCTg= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N6VMBCA9; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:05:34 PST X-Received: from [99.129.209.120] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:05:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:05:01 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090114.080501.22.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3248023772 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=kG5vuvVb1IyQAy8L2WtoxrT8WtGfS30hdC7yd7BIng X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The San Francisco Chronicle reports layoffs at KGO Radio: We're hearing that some on- and off-air talent at KGO Radio are being let g= o. They are, we're told by an inside source: Anchor Gregg Jarrett, East Bay re= porter Greg Edmonds, producer Harry Hall, internet producer David Rich; and= Sue Ostrom, general manager Mickey Luckoff's secretary of 41 years. We're waiting for more information, hopefully officially. From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 14 13:02:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62836 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2009 21:01:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2009 21:01:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2009 21:01:58 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c08.53ab82c2 (48600) for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:01:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:03:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tJ2p3PtARLZLURJdMw72KlSJ6fxh4jgwvqc7UONQFfq-YzAqG8GgklAEIDq0_leb X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the first things that gets cut in an economic downturn is advertising and advertising is the life's blood of radio. I'm in a small town and my next door neighbor who was the morning (I hate to call it drive) guy recently lost his job. When you can't sell 30-second spots for $5 a hit, it's time to pull the plug. In a major market like St. Louis, The Mighty MOX was but a shadow of its former self even before the downturn. They went from seasoned staff with decades of experience, to producers recruited from the local community college for $7 an hour. I have been around for more than a few decades and bad times. I have never seen times like this. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bc d=DecemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 15:25:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88028 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2009 23:25:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2009 23:25:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2009 23:25:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2009 23:25:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2009 23:25:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:25:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2F8E09BD-D3D5-4E60-BF00-BD71A79C49A8@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.53 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ykhi6yzjb8FGB4837dTsUxmdRmRvCnn_fNBJ362WOXZhkPasOg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > >=20 > On Jan 13, 2009, at 6:42 PM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > Well, I have a new solution. Just a dream: a world without money, > > without commerce, without working schedules, without politics, > > without boundaries, without social differences, without race > > differences, without religion differences, with only one target:=20 TO > > LIVE IN LOVE AND PEACE. >=20 > John Lennon had the same dream and was murdered for it. >=20 >=20 > Imagine there's no heaven > It's easy if you try > No hell below us > Above us only sky > Imagine all the people > Living for today... >=20 > Imagine there's no countries > It isn't hard to do > Nothing to kill or die for > And no religion too > Imagine all the people > Living life in peace... >=20 > You may say I'm a dreamer > But I'm not the only one > I hope someday you'll join us > And the world will be as one >=20 > Imagine no possessions > I wonder if you can > No need for greed or hunger > A brotherhood of man > Imagine all the people > Sharing all the world... >=20 > You may say I'm a dreamer > But I'm not the only one > I hope someday you'll join us > And the world will live as one >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 The best song from John!!! Unfortunately, I don't agree he was killed because the idea. I think=20 he was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. It's the life!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 15:29:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9874 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2009 23:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2009 23:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2009 23:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2009 23:29:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2009 23:29:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:29:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.53 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6edqRVq4mnscIjbr2Lm3qedgRBWIsCRw1yU0I5-6vmy-CLoAWA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > >=20 > On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:32 AM, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > Kevin, > > > > You don't find lyrics like that anymore on the radio. >=20 > ah, but if you want to hear "REAL RADIO", just flip on your Short- Wave=20=20 > to WBCQ 5110 from 6 till 8PM Eastern for Area 51=20 http://schedule.wbcq.com/main.php?fn=3Dshow_program&id=3D77=20 > and "Radio Timtron Worldwide" Saturday evening at 8PM Eastern=20 on=20=20 > 5110 and Simulcast on WBCQ 7415. http://schedule.wbcq.com/main.php? fn=3Dshow_program&id=3D42 >=20 >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 I tried to listen it but... nothing!!! Maybe they don't have enough power to reach my yard. Don't they have some web page? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. 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(big_h00pla@75.120.200.179 with plain) by smtp119.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2009 23:54:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JacmdjgVM1mTVGEMVAKgj6FXZrcF_SsfOjL5sPuP4NZSaTd4oySSjdjslzCX_.oxyORarDxtrHyRiSgasGonQ4RX_Tg.lIHgp878dvYiSgBxzDpfbLfM6QBszntvEb5i7OYJT_csq2cZV0XOmkw3MRDgYZkqtkVB0LSsY7TPhRaFjIZXjYLhMb7PgGNu_RAxSyaGKZYr697Us_bFTagP3uo_ig-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <88C6CD8E-F96B-479B-B7D7-65EC4D3BA254@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:54:25 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=sNub7H6jG__p70tMvPlJ2niiwcJqRodk0CoAQAT4jYbKY0CEtg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jan 14, 2009, at 3:03 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I have been around for more than a few decades and bad times. I > have never > seen times like this. Thank the Republicans. Its going to be worse and Obama and even the guy with the tights and red cape with a big "S" on his chest can't save it. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Wed Jan 14 16:38:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76587 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 00:38:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2009 00:38:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 00:38:14 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEY7BLNA642W92 for (sender ); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:37:32 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD3tVa9+turm5UuUdlQlILnI= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N6WJKNMD; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:36:56 PST X-Received: from [99.129.209.120] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:36:21 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:36:21 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090114.163621.5912.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:2728720934 X-MAIL-INFO:21eb6ebf43ba3b439b936a7e77bacedf5abbf75e1e77abd3b73e0ebbda1aabcaf763c30eabb78a1bde935b X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=pFKJZEsIuB3j5yMrToUk-LJLbPWC3ByQqRJ28B9tAg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn In early 1993 President Bill Clinton ordered new regulations for the Jimmy = Carter passed Community Reinvestment Act which would increase access to mor= tgage credit for inner city and distressed rural communities. The new rules= went into effect on January 31, 1995 and featured: requiring strictly nume= rical assessments to get a satisfactory CRA rating; using federal home-loan= data broken down by neighborhood, income group, and race; encouraging comm= unity groups to complain when banks were not loaning enough to specified ne= ighborhood, income group, and race; allowing community groups that marketed= loans to targeted groups to collect a fee from the banks. The new rules, during a time when many banks were merging and needed to pas= s the CRA review process to do so, substantially increased the number and a= ggregate amount of loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers for home loa= ns, some of which were "risky mortgages. Banks set up CRA departments, a CR= A consultant industry was created and new financial-services firms helped b= anks invest in packaged portfolios of CRA loans to ensure compliance. Estab= lished and new community groups began marketing such mortgages. The Senate = Banking Committee estimated that as of 2000, as a result of CRA, such group= s had received $9.5 billion in services and salaries. As of that time such = groups also had received tens of billions of dollars in multi-year commitme= nts from banks, including ACORN Housing $760 million; Boston-based Neighbor= hood Assistance Corporation of America $3 billion; a New Jersey Citizen Act= ion-led coalition $13 billion; the Massachusetts Affordable Housing Allianc= e $220 million. The number of CRA mortgage loans increased by 39 percent be= tween 1993 and 1998, while other loans increased by only 17 percent. The CRA was public policy that DROVE the market. To cast a blind eye that o= bvious economic fact and simply blame "the profit motive" is ludicrous. It is equally ludicrous to blame Wall Street and investment banks when what= they did was buy up the risky mortgages that became so prevalent in the ma= rket place. Granted, no one intended to lose money, but, to lay blame on capitalism (Re= publicans) when the real source of the problem was meddling government(Cong= ress)in the first place indicates to me a fundamental lack of economic unde= rstanding. The CRA is a Democrat conceived and promoted scheme: Carter, Clinton, Dodd = and Frank. Bush tried to reign in the program but Congress prevailed. The h= ousing bubble burst and here we are. =20 Don -- kevin redding wrote: Thank the Republicans. Its going to be worse and Obama and even the=20=20 guy with the tights and red cape with a big "S" on his chest can't=20=20 save it. Kevin On Jan 14, 2009, at 3:03 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I have been around for more than a few decades and bad times. I=20=20 > have never > seen times like this. =20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 16:51:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56988 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 00:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2009 00:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.92) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 00:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.230.28] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 00:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.142] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 00:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 00:51:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 766110.37956.bm@omp110.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 23295 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 00:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.75 with plain) by smtp104.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 00:51:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7.b2AVMVM1mgj6uFypObiwcckQnCMc3CIoPgm0oo1cCruGSODJKuOUl.hF.re8k4Fr2Z9r9jqZ7Sd.97x2xHlj4rA9I2eP.AKsxd9izEm_6E8P_xCStc3686eZF5uxD3S8OMLDuph.sY2d.UA46ViHGUdo6jOoYfV215rVGfmDPo8xSS1p4oYQpXqjk- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20090114.163621.5912.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> References: <20090114.163621.5912.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:51:09 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Dc2jIoU08hec6n-flj_PMDJZEgipscFmwQ1P7G_YM1PNTa4nUw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jan 15, 2009, at 12:36 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > In early 1993 President Bill Clinton ordered new regulations for > the Jimmy Carter passed Community Reinvestment Act which would > increase access to mortgage credit for inner city and distressed > rural communities. And when George W. Bush took office in 2000 7 years later with a Republican House, Senate, Executive and Judiciary, what did the Republicans do to over turn this evil heinous destructive law straight out of HELL!!!!?????!!!!????? NNN OOO TTT HHH III NNN GGG Republicans always SUCK and try to blame things on other people when they don't ever do a fucking thing to fix what they think is wrong. Never forget this.... REPUBLICANS ALWAYS SUCK AND WHINE INSTEAD OF FIXING THINGS. Kevin From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Jan 14 17:56:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61631 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 01:56:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2009 01:56:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO el-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.162.183) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 01:56:16 -0000 X-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o28so239815ele.22 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:56:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.109.11 with SMTP id l11mr3021385ybm.32.1231984575914; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:56:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.32.253.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.32.253.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.32.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c29sm6575404elf.1.2009.01.14.17.56.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:56:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <32BA54BD-9190-491C-BDDA-1F00CEBD334D@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:56:02 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.162.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=Jpg3fceOGgccx9EgCjUi0EL2csn5DStHrc3xSbJ5d4iEOJIrwD3ZRy9aGhNccw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:29 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > Don't they have some web page? You can listen live online from http://www.wbcq.com/ Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Wed Jan 14 18:25:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92954 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 02:25:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2009 02:25:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f19.google.com) (209.85.217.19) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 02:25:51 -0000 X-Received: by gxk12 with SMTP id 12so904096gxk.4 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:25:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.83.12 with SMTP id k12mr3023141ybl.116.1231986350749; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:25:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.32.253.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.32.253.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.32.253]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m30sm6702178elf.12.2009.01.14.18.25.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:25:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:25:27 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=fV_cSkfpLICb9tfk1cRHBQNmDlVRm4mJjUPokzDJLr1BPHyIrf32rIHF-LgAzw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:25 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't agree he was killed because the idea. I think > he was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. Nope. Mark Chapman, Lennon's murderer was angry over Lennon's statement about being more popular than Jesus and thought Lennon was mocking his fans in the lyrics to Imagine. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_David_Chapman Chapman was a fan of the Beatles, particularly Lennon, but was reportedly angered by Lennon's infamous 1966 remark that the Beatles were "bigger than Jesus." Jan Reeves, sister of one of Chapman's best friends, reports that Chapman "seemed really angry toward John Lennon, and he kept saying he could not understand why John Lennon had said it. According to Mark, there should be nobody more popular than the Lord Jesus Christ. He said it was blasphemy. Chapman had also read in a library book (John Lennon: One Day at a Time by Anthony Fawcett) about Lennon's life in New York. "He was angry that Lennon would preach love and peace but yet have millions [of dollars]," said his wife Gloria. Chapman later said that "He told us to imagine no possessions, and there he was, with millions of dollars and yachts and farms and country estates, laughing at people like me who had believed the lies and bought the records and built a big part of their lives around his music. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Jan 14 20:06:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35737 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 04:06:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2009 04:06:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s29.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.168) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 04:06:39 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W53 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:06:39 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:06:38 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2009 04:06:39.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA7ADA70:01C976C6] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.168 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=nC6g57l8cCFnv5UUrha2bGKpfYMX1FMQwfDnOtDf3-X3lzcrwoTjREHg5FQ X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, that happens to make me wonder what Mark David Chapman, though of others who preached charity, goodness etc and bestowed millions of dollars of possessions on themselves. Oral Roberts and Jim and Tammy Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart and several others come to mind (just the tip of the iceberg!); I guess they were just lucky there weren't murdered by Chapman; who apparently didn't take one of the 10 Commandments (Thou Shalt Not Kill) very seriously...... strange for such an alleged religious person. Also strange that Chapman couldn't get past that anger and committed murder over than comment about 15 years later; doesn't sound as though he could rechannel his anger and help the poor himself or think of some other else to do in the ensuing 15 years after the 1966 comment by John Lennon. Donn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: thepossumhunter@gmail.comDate: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:25:27 -0500Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:25 PM, jotape1960 wrote:> Unfortunately, I don't agree he was killed because the idea. I think> he was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people.Nope. Mark Chapman, Lennon's murderer was angry over Lennon's statement about being more popular than Jesus and thought Lennon was mocking his fans in the lyrics to Imagine.From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_David_ChapmanChapman was a fan of the Beatles, particularly Lennon, but was reportedly angered by Lennon's infamous 1966 remark that the Beatles were "bigger than Jesus." Jan Reeves, sister of one of Chapman's best friends, reports that Chapman "seemed really angry toward John Lennon, and he kept saying he could not understand why John Lennon had said it. According to Mark, there should be nobody more popular than the Lord Jesus Christ. He said it was blasphemy. Chapman had also read in a library book (John Lennon: One Day at a Time by Anthony Fawcett) about Lennon's life in New York. "He was angry that Lennon would preach love and peace but yet have millions [of dollars]," said his wife Gloria. Chapman later said that "He told us to imagine no possessions, and there he was, with millions of dollars and yachts and farms and country estates, laughing at people like me who had believed the lies and bought the records and built a big part of their lives around his music.Kevin in Upstate SCKJ4HYD[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 14 20:20:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81545 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 04:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2009 04:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 04:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 04:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.226] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 04:20:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:20:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.22 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Svd5SGuyejg_WiLL7e9ac6iR0PKG950xeLXvdKFN7U3xxo5eVA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Possum Hunter=20 wrote: > >=20 > On Jan 14, 2009, at 6:25 PM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > Unfortunately, I don't agree he was killed because the idea. I=20 think > > he was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong=20 people. >=20 > Nope. Mark Chapman, Lennon's murderer was angry over Lennon's=20=20 > statement about being more popular than Jesus and thought Lennon=20 was=20=20 > mocking his fans in the lyrics to Imagine. >=20 > From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_David_Chapman >=20 > Chapman was a fan of the Beatles, particularly Lennon, but was=20=20 > reportedly angered by Lennon's infamous 1966 remark that the=20 Beatles=20=20 > were "bigger than Jesus." Jan Reeves, sister of one of Chapman's=20 best=20=20 > friends, reports that Chapman "seemed really angry toward John=20 Lennon,=20=20 > and he kept saying he could not understand why John Lennon had=20 said=20=20 > it. According to Mark, there should be nobody more popular than=20 the=20=20 > Lord Jesus Christ. He said it was blasphemy. Chapman had also read=20 in=20=20 > a library book (John Lennon: One Day at a Time by Anthony=20 Fawcett)=20=20 > about Lennon's life in New York. "He was angry that Lennon would=20=20 > preach love and peace but yet have millions [of dollars]," said=20 his=20=20 > wife Gloria. Chapman later said that "He told us to imagine no=20=20 > possessions, and there he was, with millions of dollars and yachts=20 and=20=20 > farms and country estates, laughing at people like me who had=20 believed=20=20 > the lies and bought the records and built a big part of their=20 lives=20=20 > around his music. >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 And that is exactly what I wanted to say when I wrote "he was in the=20 wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people." I'm nobody to judge John's life (or any other life). Of course, I=20 didn't agree with some parts of his weird life. But, even I'm a christian I've never been offended by the John's=20 words. The christian world would be the most stupid world if don't=20 admit the reality: TODAY (and since a lot of years) ANY ARTIST OR=20 ANY SPORT EVENT ARE MORE POPULAR THAN GOD. I don't saying the=20 artists or the sports are better than God. I'm talking about=20 popularity. How many people are in the Sabbath or Sunday morning=20 schools? How many people are in a Madonna's concert? How many people=20 are watching TV when some channel broadcasts some explicit sexual=20 movie? How many people is listening a radio station when they=20 transmits the final game of the NBA year? How many people is in this=20 moment into the World Wide Web? Let's realistic: God isn't popular=20 in this world today. So, I don't feel offended by the reality. Of=20 course, I don't like it but... It is what it is. Whatever, in the song "Imagine" he wrote a lot of truth (despite of=20 the fact if he really lived into that line). The world must put=20 attention on it. John was one of the Twenty Century musical genius, no doubt. The=20 music and the radio industry owe a lot to him. At least, a tribute. Unfortunately, we live in a world absolutely different to his song=20 AN THE RADIO INDUSTRY IS INTO A GREAT CHAOS TODAY. "Paradoxically", I'm sure those great musical songs (like=20 Lennon's "Imagine") are THE ONLY ONE SOLUTION TO SAVE THE RADIO LIFE. Of course, we have to get the music return to the dial. LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 15 05:28:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89965 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 13:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2009 13:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 13:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cdf.4370504e (39330) for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:28:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:28:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=z2CpGR39OdWQ_oHeycP6dWt7dZQaUp_3HXDUZtiJrtxKhXu3bIYN0N7bR7G7H2hT X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The challenge faced by KGO, WGN, and the like is their parent companies are large newspapers. The newspapers used to be cash cows to begin and support broadcast operations. Print media is now being harder hit than radio, so there is no source of revenue to draw upon during lean times in the radio operation. The problem in the economy go way beyond subprime mortgages. I've worked in industry all my career in businesses that were as far removed from home mortgages as it gets. The seeds of the present problems began more than 20 years ago, if not longer, spreading throughout the entire economy like virus. As for the mortgage crisis, it wasn't the result of assuring fairness in lending. If home mortgage lending was like it was in Cappa's "It's a Wonderful Life", there would never have been a problem. That is, a building and loan, savings in loan, or bank would take in deposits from savers and would then lend it out to these same people to buy homes. What happened was home mortgages became a commodity, with the loan originator having no responsibility for the performance of the loan. The *profit incentive* drove mortgage brokers to write as many loans as possible, because that is where their money was made, leaving the performance and risk associated with the loans to speculators. Speculation creates bubbles which inevitably break. This is not a popular thing to say, but at the root of our financial problems may be the 401K. It enticed people into the market who had no business being there. This is what happened in the 1920s. Problems that had been developing in the economy of that era were neglected and ignored as people poured money into a booming stock market. The stock market wasn't booming because of a booming economy but rather speculation because of the large number of investors looking to place their money in market. When the speculation finally ran out of fuel in 1929, people began pulling their money out and the bubble burst. People who had no business in the stock market had invested their life savings in it. They were wiped out. For the next four decades, the average working person stayed out of the market. When the Depression Generation passed into retirement, their memories and experiences passed with them. That left the door open for Reagan who sought to turn the clock back to the 1920s. In many ways, I think it is 1932 in America again. I just hope Barack Obama is another FDR. Mike ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 05:41:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51980 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 13:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2009 13:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.108) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 13:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n1.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 13:41:01 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.169] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 13:41:00 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 13:41:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 970496.99108.bm@omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 19331 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 13:41:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.75 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 13:41:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kcYM8NQVM1keUxnRv6xl89Px.VDn85uz5O.IAUVGlBmCNInsSIMz.EDj_VJyyfpK0dGqEdEGAYz4MFf7W3eSa2tz9iZUSmIoM84d1m1ppQgGIeFml.6REuVtLYKu6V9a43Wzo2jFQYmCEZWz2TQi7Ov_fHQzYSNsDkheB2nX.LyeVOyfK6A.ebXlKtZ3vrEw4xmm1hjbvjSifCWLLeVPN2AtNQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:40:59 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=T1pgXaOslH4EkEBr2TrP5FX6MaT-50i0A07yuZqC0KXFqMiLBw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla You understand where the real problem lies. Kevin On Jan 15, 2009, at 7:28 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > This is not a popular thing to say, but at the root of our > financial problems > may be the 401K. It enticed people into the market who had no > business being > there. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 14:16:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27235 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2009 22:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2009 22:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2009 22:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 22:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.227] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2009 22:16:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:16:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.21 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A non directly radio issue but... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Oiq8xCRnMTCCFXJseIuh4GLh6muwrhFwuTSHVBIGPEIudVHxQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I know the next issue isn't a directly radio related issue but...=20 All of us are using software so... I've heard that a lot of software has had some compatibility problems with the last Windows Vista. Also I've heard that Microsoft has the stupid idea to increase it deliberately with only one target: to=20 avoid the use of any non-legal (pirate) software. I don't know if the Microsoft action is a totally legal action but... by the way... DOES SOMEBODY KNOW SOME WEB PAGE WHERE WE CAN FIND SOLUTIONS TO ALL THESE COMPATIBILITY PROBLEMS? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w6yn@juno.com Thu Jan 15 16:52:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70947 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2009 00:52:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2009 00:52:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2009 00:52:40 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail11.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.151]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEY9YT9AYBNVH2 for (sender ); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:52:15 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxhyugoxvDSBSHlRC+Ls+8I= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail11.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N6Y5TEP5; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:51:42 PST X-Received: from [99.129.209.120] by webmail11.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:50:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:50:45 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090115.165045.29979.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 21:10:2319131529 X-MAIL-INFO:41832ef7ca639a6ada5bea2e9a6bf32fcbc717 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.151|webmail11.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=3oK10ytAXJHaX04UBBMF3qFx3fJIhX767NwDp_B4XA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The New Deal made the Depression worse. Hoover and FDR's Depression-era experimentation: THE United States has entered the era of the experiment. President-elect Ba= rack Obama is putting forward an infrastructure program whose plans and pri= ce tag are unclear. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson whipped up the Trouble= d Asset Relief Program to buy up bad mortgage instruments, and President Bu= sh wants to try extending TARP to autoworkers. The idea that experiments are warranted in current circumstances comes from= Herbert Hoover and FDR's New Deal. The official history is familiar: FDR p= roposed multiple projects, some at cross-purposes. Yet New Deal inconsisten= cy was not a problem and might have been a virtue. Through "bold, persisten= t experimentation," his catchphrase, Franklin Roosevelt brought recovery. Modern economists, monetarist or Keynesian, have not rejected this story li= ne. The trouble with the 1930s, in their view, is that government did not f= iddle enough. Had the Federal Reserve, the Treasury or the White House fidd= led more, the Depression might have been shorter or less severe. The New De= al Fed, they say, never got the price level quite right. Or, the New Deal s= timulus programs were too little. And so on. But there is significant evidence that the very arbitrariness of the New De= al made the Depression worse. In 1932, stunned market players and citizens wanted to know what the new ru= les were. They voted for a party with a platform so moderate it could have = been written by today's Concord Coalition: stability, sound money, balanced= budgets. That was the Democratic Party, led by Roosevelt. Many of FDR's initial plans did bring stability: His first Treasury secreta= ry worked to sort out banks with the outgoing Hoover administration in a fa= shion so fair that an observer noted that those present "had forgotten to b= e Republicans or Democrats." By creating deposit insurance, FDR reduced ban= k runs. His Securities Act of 1933 laid the ground for a transparent nation= al stock market. Equities shot up. But other policies were more arbitrary. Using emergency powers, FDR yanked = the country off the gold standard. Both American and international markets = looked forward to a London conference at which a new monetary accord was to= be struck among nations. Over the course of the conference, though, FDR ch= anged orders to his emissaries multiple times. Some days he was the interna= tionalist, sending wires about international currency coordination. Other d= ays he was the cowboy, saying all that mattered was what the dollar bought = in farm states. The conference foundered. Some of the worst destruction came with FDR's gold experiment. If he could = drive up the price of gold by buying it, he reasoned, other prices would ri= se as well. Roosevelt was right to want to introduce more money into the ec= onomy (the United States was deflating). But his method was like trying to = raise an ocean level by adding water by the thimbleful. What horrified markets even more was that FDR managed the operation persona= lly, day by day, over a breakfast tray. No one ever knew what the increase = would be. One Friday in November 1933, Roosevelt told Treasury Secretary He= nry Morgenthau that the gold price should be raised 21 cents. Why that amou= nt, Morgenthau asked. "Because it's three times seven," FDR replied. Morgenthau later wrote that "if anybody knew how we set the gold price, thr= ough a combination of lucky numbers, etc., I think they would be frightened= ." They were. The "Roosevelt Rally" flattened. The arbitrary quality of other = initiatives reinforced concerns. The New Deal centerpiece, the National Rec= overy Administration, helped some businesses compete and criminalized other= s for the same behavior. Sometimes Roosevelt goaded federal prosecutors int= o harassing corporate executives. Other times, he schmoozed the same execs = at the White House. In 1936, FDR pushed through deficit spending. In 1937, = he was Mr. Budget Hawk. Uncertain, markets froze. Businesses refused to hire or invest in equipment= . Unemployment remained in the teens. The "deal" part of the New Deal phras= e was problematic; businesses didn't want individual favors, they wanted cl= ear laws for all. Today, uncertainty also chills. Questions abound over the future regulation= of stocks and derivatives, over tax policy, over bailouts, making it hard = for the market to settle on equity or home prices. And Americans follow sto= ries about names =97 Secretary Paulson, Secretary-designate Timothy Geithne= r =97 more than they do news about the Fed or the Treasury. Luckily, we are entering the optimal time for reducing uncertainty: a new p= resident's first hundred days, with a majority to back him on the Hill. Oba= ma might start by rebuilding key institutions: creating a super-Securities = and Exchange Commission, a tough regulator with clear plans for overseeing = stocks as well as those instruments that had been monitored unpredictably b= ecause of vague status. He should also halve corporate tax rates, currently some of the world's hig= hest, and reduce the capital-gains rate to 5 percent. Rewriting the Fed law= to clarify it will make avoiding an Alan Greenspan bubble easier. Defining= his infrastructure program clearly would have the effect of putting up a s= ign: Open for Business. Some will say all that sounds politically impossible. Until recently, thoug= h, so did a trillion-dollar infrastructure project. A new hundred days spen= t making good laws will bring sturdy recovery. A hundred days spent making = more deals will not. Don Read: "The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression." -- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: The challenge faced by KGO, WGN, and the like is their parent companies are= =20 large newspapers. The newspapers used to be cash cows to begin and support= =20 broadcast operations. Print media is now being harder hit than radio, so t= here=20 is no source of revenue to draw upon during lean times in the radio operati= on. The problem in the economy go way beyond subprime mortgages. I've worked i= n=20 industry all my career in businesses that were as far removed from home=20 mortgages as it gets. The seeds of the present problems began more than 20= years=20 ago, if not longer, spreading throughout the entire economy like virus. As for the mortgage crisis, it wasn't the result of assuring fairness in=20 lending. If home mortgage lending was like it was in Cappa's "It's a Wonde= rful=20 Life", there would never have been a problem. That is, a building and loan= ,=20 savings in loan, or bank would take in deposits from savers and would then = lend=20 it out to these same people to buy homes. What happened was home mortgages= =20 became a commodity, with the loan originator having no responsibility for t= he=20 performance of the loan. The *profit incentive* drove mortgage brokers to = write=20 as many loans as possible, because that is where their money was made, leav= ing=20 the performance and risk associated with the loans to speculators.=20=20 Speculation creates bubbles which inevitably break. This is not a popular thing to say, but at the root of our financial proble= ms=20 may be the 401K. It enticed people into the market who had no business bei= ng=20 there. This is what happened in the 1920s. Problems that had been=20 developing in the economy of that era were neglected and ignored as people = poured money=20 into a booming stock market. The stock market wasn't booming because of a= =20 booming economy but rather speculation because of the large number of inves= tors=20 looking to place their money in market. When the speculation finally ran o= ut=20 of fuel in 1929, people began pulling their money out and the bubble burst.= =20=20 People who had no business in the stock market had invested their life savi= ngs=20 in it. They were wiped out. For the next four decades, the average workin= g=20 person stayed out of the market. When the Depression Generation passed int= o=20 retirement, their memories and experiences passed with them. That left the= door=20 open for Reagan who sought to turn the clock back to the 1920s. In many ways, I think it is 1932 in America again. I just hope Barack Obam= a=20 is another FDR. Mike From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 17:17:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41497 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2009 01:17:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2009 01:17:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2009 01:17:04 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2009 01:17:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.244] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2009 01:17:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp405.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2009 01:17:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 709504.49757.bm@omp405.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 57298 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2009 01:17:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.75 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2009 01:17:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: l5JZ2eEVM1mA07z083473AATwJHUWMDV0ZFKFP73KnkeZ7aZMF9VHrO.NT387v5H2F465yD3r20JsuD7CsVeY9QSs0ZZUkUxNjqMk0nPN_koPpx6_XNwofdY24M6Ay6FPDecSP9s68W3hXWpmVcHLaYK6EDG3vCtdtpiqBy1jfOVXPH71fwjHFmA.k0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20090115.165045.29979.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> References: <20090115.165045.29979.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <097469C5-6432-49B0-B743-CD44E5F73D75@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:17:01 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=yVuOzyWFZkCXUm2eiBnm3_UA2Zx-YJkpAqUlZ3bIh_XW4JupsA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:50 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > The New Deal made the Depression worse. If this is your position, the GOP and W have blown up the entire economy by pumping $8 trillion dollars in to the economy. This is what they did BEFORE Obama can get to power. Don't forget, the Fascist Republican Party always sucks and screws everything up they touch. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 15 17:20:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25324 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2009 01:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2009 01:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2009 01:20:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c4b.4604f5cb (48600) for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:19:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:21:52 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=AHozr5koJXNHykWoc9BQbuyUgzn0Vhw8TZoGbCjh8QRcE9LYWbnq8oL6sUqTgWCm X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My father worked rip-rapping the River Des Peres in St. Louis. To this day, there is a signed spelled out in rock on the bank that reads "WPA 1935". I think most people who lived through that era would say what Roosevelt did was a failure. By the way, if someone gives you a hot stock tip to get in on the River Des Peres Bottle Water Company IPO, you might be wise to take a pass. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bc d=DecemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Jan 15 17:59:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92833 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2009 01:59:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2009 01:59:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.189) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2009 01:59:26 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2009 01:59:26 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2009 01:59:26 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2009 01:59:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 485380.22426.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 71522 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2009 01:59:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.75 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2009 01:59:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .ZdvPeQVM1nE7wtYdg8gixlB9cws8NmOH7UOTXpO9rovOcAWh_wt8KGwwU4zNSfVOOmPB2B_HM0s5zbupOh6.THavTXT2I4APESXGZRZT8wBuR22PQ0z05hftNt5Igcd5riG98dalhCsw.CO8rLojbD_jEuyAfVqiWx638LGfQda6ZWo.3uIAjzTWL4JHbte5quBBj3ReN4VUierBcULKOTLlw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <285AF0A0-5382-4B49-9721-34A6B925E60C@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:59:21 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=jVDTQuTKMRd_whH60ti_qHmicbqZATWwi82pJdsTh0RVit0qCQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jan 15, 2009, at 7:21 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > . I > think most people who lived through that era would say what > Roosevelt did was a > failure. I don't know about that. I know that the bulk of the US highway system was built then. I know that lots of universities, schools, hospitals, stadiums, libraries, bridges and the like were built back then. I know that Social Security has kept hundreds of millions of elderly people from starving and people who are crippled from being totally destitute. I know that Roosevelt led us through the largest war ever fought. I know that when people got laid off because of the government of the day we have unemployment insurance. I know that rural areas got electricity because of things that were done when FDR was president. We got nuclear power reactors during his administration. During the FDR administration we got the FDIC so we wouldn't be wiped out if a bank collapsed with our money. We got the Securities Exchange Commission, the TVA and Fannie Mae. Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen got the GI Bill while FDR was in office and got to go to college and become educated. This lead to 50 years of engineering superiority. Go have a beer and toast FDR because while FDR was in Prohibiton was abolished. There was much support of the arts that we enjoy today. I would say that we take much of what was done back in those days for granted now. I would say that it was quite successful. Kevin From robert.w.welch@att.net Thu Jan 15 18:43:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79133 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2009 02:43:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2009 02:43:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2009 02:43:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2009 02:43:23 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.231] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2009 02:43:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:43:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.114.58.159 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=VeEUkRffSY_4rRlcOVsexPCMiYafYKKAPuAuXrCOROrr8YUXfU9c X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 The first three words kinda disprove your opinion. People were put back to work doing something... Just exactly what they did... to a certain extent... was beside the point.=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > My father worked ... I=20 > think most people who lived through that era would say what Roosevelt did was a=20 > failure. >=20 > Mike From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 15 22:13:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32475 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2009 06:13:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2009 06:13:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2009 06:13:07 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.be2.40e3902c (41812) for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 01:13:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 01:13:03 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8NhG35Zl2ckRGxB2aVW8lPKzFml-DGJd_4_3UMIJO_HRKUcAOQ9qXt9ccGYISde5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My error. What I meant to say was that few people who lived through those time thought the New Deal was a failure. It saved this country in more ways than one. Mike ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 16:19:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51923 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 00:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 00:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 00:19:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42856 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2009 00:19:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .52hHJQVM1ngY9ba1DwfrrzsKgUYnkp7NS4eSr53xxRAxnTrzNg- X-Received: from [64.222.33.72] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:19:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:19:29 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF , ABDX MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <417752.21324.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Listen up, youse! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=xJyqu2XDlIQNLKr9TqMYqljqlQoimva86-BKzNi_RCHdanop06yh X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WOON's DX test starts Sunday 18 January @ 02:00 E.S.T./07:00 G.M.T. & lasts= for an hour.=A0 Tune in to 1240kc.!=A0 See what you can hear! 73 & good DX! Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (V31VQ renewal pending) =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Jan 16 16:28:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45577 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 00:28:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 00:28:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 00:28:39 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail05.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.145]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEZCKTKASC42NJ for (sender ); Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:28:25 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8o2F4nMyTlT+aNmuE7E5fo= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail05.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N63NURKG; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:28:00 PST X-Received: from [99.129.209.120] by webmail05.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:27:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:27:52 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090116.162752.26712.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:1188957253 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.145|webmail05.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Station Values Down Over 50% From 2007 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=0SoBUkpaunf01TmfZ1Cy_UDU16sb4fGGTBTWB3hoxw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Just When You Thought the Level Of Station Transactions Could Not Get Any L= ower: The Economic Tsunami of 2008 Comes Along By Mark Fratrik,=20 The final tally of the number of radio and television station transactions = for the full year 2008 shows an incredible decrease from the previous year= =EF=BF=BDs subpar levels. While nearly 800 radio stations (778) were sold i= n 2008 the total value of those transactions only totaled $856 million. The= number of stations sold was down 26.7% and the total value was down 50.7% = from the previous year=EF=BF=BDs totals. Television stations sales also saw= a tremendous decrease with the number decreasing 76% (from 232 to 54 stati= ons) and the value of those transactions decreasing 86% (from $4.6 billion = to $0.7 billion) in 2008. Given the overall economic and credit market conditions since the fall of 2= 008, it is not surprising to see these drastic declines. At the same time c= redit was drying up for any type of transactions, including those involving= radio and television stations, the underlying economic base for these stat= ions, advertising revenues, were seeing drastic reductions from what was ex= pected. And the outlook for the immediate future in those advertising reven= ues is not expected to recover. It probably will not be until the later par= t of 2009 that advertising revenue growth becomes positive, and even then t= he growth will be slow. With this pessimistic revenue outlook and the availability of equity and de= bt financing still very limited, the immediate likely future of station tra= ding activity is one of limited sales. Sellers who want to exit the industr= y, in part or totally, see the limited number of buyers and will wait till = conditions improve. The only action that may occur is through the dispositi= on of assets that are part of bankruptcy proceedings. Even then, the owners= of these assets will try to hold out for as long as possible, hoping for g= reater demand for these properties. My advice to owners and potential sellers of broadcast stations is that the= y should take this time to look beyond the immediate negative economic and = credit conditions and try to build value for their properties in this new m= edia environment (which continues to evolve no matter the economy). They sh= ould be training their advertising sales staffs to sell their stations as a= multi-platform delivery device (broadcast, online, mobile, search engine m= aximization, promotions/events) and owners should be investing in new equip= ment by spending the resources necessary to develop new revenue sources, in= cluding the enhancement of the station=EF=BF=BDs website and mobile adverti= sing platforms. By the time we get past the downturn those investments will make the broadc= ast stations more competitive in local media markets, thereby increasing th= eir revenues and ultimately their values.=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 16 17:36:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3206 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 01:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 01:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 01:36:55 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.210] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090116193645001377300010.0) with SMTP id <20090116193645001377300010> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:36:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002701c97844$ae0d8280$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <2F8E09BD-D3D5-4E60-BF00-BD71A79C49A8@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:36:45 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=0vpnIPcgJnvQeqGuqrj11x3VJFpRfpBmIctK_lovJRvDqck5ctGA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Puleeeze! He was killed by some psycho that had nothing to do with his politics. Speaking of which has anyone, besides Don Milbury and myself, ever noticed that some of the most brutal regimes of recent history have all been spawned from utopian dreams? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com John Lennon had the same dream and was murdered for it. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 17:43:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14744 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 01:43:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 01:43:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.92) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 01:43:09 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 01:43:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.75.179] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 01:43:09 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp100.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 01:43:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 391044.9987.bm@omp100.mail.re1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 35023 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 01:43:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.220 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 01:43:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: clHuYP4VM1nLouOSmrKF0GJSA9RUzIkO7CTgRZ.TSTPx5GhL0XytSEAmHxpSW.IndRoINLItbNEHiML1yjt63nyB3TRts3Y._EgYrCyg6sYL6QnNbOe0ZAcEKDArkE2qzUaH6MxJLGaVjISthOrvX0X622zp47VpDHeqQbzA22hnQ8EWqXhmUXyakqeBhHfTk6WGr8QkSYIV_DNldRuMZheUnRLEkNKg9vs- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20090116.162752.26712.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> References: <20090116.162752.26712.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <877A27A3-2BEF-4AB5-9258-3EE8D5F02CC0@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:43:08 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: WOON 1240 Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=D56Azk4-cZ9_q0Gow07u54mq3AgATOk7oPNQ2Jf2OyLkk7yuog X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla ABDX presents the first DX test of the season. Thank you to Jay Rogers for running a DX test at WOON 1240 kHz in Woonsocket, RI. This test will run Sunday morning Dec. 18 at 0200 ET / 0700 UTC. WOON 1240 is mono running 1 kW NDA. You can send your reports to Dave Richards via e-mail or regular mail. WOON/1240 985 Park Avenue Woonsocket, R.I. 02895-6332 U.S.A. E-mail: dave@onworldwide.com (note: use the station callsign as the subject line so it's not disregarded as spam). The DX test will consist of: --Morse Code ID --Voice announcement about it being a test broadcast --Morse Code ID --WOON Radio Jingle, (sung) "O-N Radio.......in Woonsocket". These four elements will repeat, in that order, for 60 minutes from 2:00-3:00 EST on 12/21/08. A special thank you to Jay, Ron Gitschier and others who made this test possible. Kevin Redding, ABDX List owner And all the people at ABDX who made this possible From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 16 17:54:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44728 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 01:54:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 01:54:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 01:54:46 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.210] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090116195431000059500010.0) with SMTP id <20090116195431000059500010> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:54:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008301c97847$292261a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20090114.163621.5912.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:54:31 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ZxaT4s23yLLflD-VSrw-tV4pDxV-YF2foZpzkWR-hiWIS1Riv7Cm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps it wasn't as obvious then it was going to be as destructive as it was. But there's no question they tried in the past few years only to get shot down by the Dems. And what sunk Wachovia were the bad loans contained in the portfolio of Golden West, a company operated by a husband and wife team of George Soros associates. They knew this was all going to tank and they got out, got rich and left us holding the bag. And like Soros, they're big Democrat benefactors. Given that Soros wants to essentially create world socialism, getting rid of the USA's power would be the first major step in doing it. Looks like he may have just succeeded. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Republican House, Senate, Executive and Judiciary, what did the Republicans do to over turn this evil heinous destructive law straight out of HELL!!!!?????!!!!????? NNN OOO TTT HHH III NNN GGG --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 18:00:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34499 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 02:00:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 02:00:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n63.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.33) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 02:00:10 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n63.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 02:00:10 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 02:00:10 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.110.140] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 02:00:10 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp210.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 02:00:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 667812.26590.bm@omp210.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 40070 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 02:00:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.220 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 02:00:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WTKsHr4VM1lgFGGVSnecDef0gFqgMMxG3Z9eC8lwlCZ9wxIFryaRNgLsMO50D7kKWS7_zVu1pL9ukiWu6uUl3YDplcKRTHzGhQYhqFczR4ryXJAJEZjlN6pfv8CGm3qj9YjSgmDVdq0PYLMZTOJon8bW6Hi7PzxglVZvXVbtek4cbG30QwjzYwcA2IpwYJnCOo3bxNMD.XXn5IyLq8uLpEyPBrQeWNc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <008301c97847$292261a0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <20090114.163621.5912.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <008301c97847$292261a0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6C270480-3E06-472C-969C-D942DD969478@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:00:09 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=yJ5T5Wm666L-GdRokR8PIKwKp_C2GFX-fx71fwXoN0c-FXXIdg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Your Republicans did nothing. Kevin On Jan 16, 2009, at 7:54 PM, wrote: > Perhaps it wasn't as obvious then it was going to be as destructive > as it was. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 16 18:11:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17846 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 02:11:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 02:11:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 02:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.210] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090116201118002027700010.0) with SMTP id <20090116201118002027700010> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:11:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010901c97849$81638ae0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <2F8E09BD-D3D5-4E60-BF00-BD71A79C49A8@gmail.com> <002701c97844$ae0d8280$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:11:18 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=BEpLhmdaZxFKwz8OblZiqdAMKp-kTRiJK_AV5orRBTqiC14-Q1Z5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scratch that first line- I got my psychos mixed up. It's hell gettin' old. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna Puleeeze! He was killed by some psycho that had nothing to do with his politics. Speaking of which has anyone, besides Don Milbury and myself, ever noticed that some of the most brutal regimes of recent history have all been spawned from utopian dreams? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Possum Hunter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com John Lennon had the same dream and was murdered for it. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 16 18:20:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16536 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 02:20:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 02:20:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 02:20:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.210] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090116202029003013800010.0) with SMTP id <20090116202029003013800010> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:20:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <013501c9784a$ca2e1320$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <285AF0A0-5382-4B49-9721-34A6B925E60C@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:20:29 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=5vH18l8-OLawTuftDKtShz5t_dMunQ_ZPkQ3DUC9_zUzvIn6c9Qz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The REA dates back to the 20s. The problem with government building programs is once they're done, then what? It'll be another government project being paid for how? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I know that rural areas got electricity because of things that were done when FDR was president. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 16 18:22:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94451 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 02:22:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 02:22:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 02:22:58 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.210] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090116202234003235200010.0) with SMTP id <20090116202234003235200010> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:22:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <014101c9784b$145588c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:22:34 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1A5WSNRFZQLLtRF2mNThgDxPTfdrGwOPsqRYjhbD0bNscPYXxoEh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That unfortunate scenario has been played out all over the CBS empire. It's not quite that bad at WCCO, but they don't seem to be trying as hard anymore. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In a major market like St. Louis, The Mighty MOX was but a shadow of its former self even before the downturn. They went from seasoned staff with decades of experience, to producers recruited from the local community college for $7 an hour. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 18:51:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90411 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 02:51:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 02:51:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 02:51:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 02:51:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 02:51:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:51:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.47 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Radio World IBOC comment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=tO4JYtB9l355m0U6vBnSCzeS6_BWrkE_Om_C5b_8g_KbaPJEnA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! The last issue of the spanish version of Radio World, has an IBOC=20 comment by Jorge Alberto Val=E1n, partner of Adema SA, I want to share=20 the central part with you. I hope nobody will be angry with the following part (I translate it=20 directly from the spanish words): "I know, positively, that iBiquity is making determined efforts in=20 the region to get the adoption of its system. That's I absolutely=20 agree with Larry Langford when he says: 'iBiquity made an eternal=20 revenues machine (to iBiquity of course).'" "iBiquity asks from us more than the original US$ 25,000 they ask to=20 Larry because the IBOC exciter, only to get the same thing we=20 already know: it is possible to pass a digital signal through an AM=20 transmitter." Then he adds: "As well as the unresolved problems with the IBOC=20 system, we have to say that, in Latin America at least, the cost- benefit equation is absolutely unfavourable to the broadcaster." Any additional comment? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 16 19:04:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94333 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 03:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 03:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 03:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.210] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090116210339000949800015.0) with SMTP id <20090116210339000949800015> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:03:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <019f01c97850$d3638000$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:03:39 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio World IBOC comment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=OptGjSYsmcUkH5L8ov9Z4zGCnVpfYSlPhnYd1K0jz2ibepIjGbEh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The new digital radios are not flying off the shelves here in the US. I see no advantage of doing it in your part of the world. Do good radio and make it available on the internet if it is sufficiently wide spread, and other mobile devices when they become more widely available. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Then he adds: "As well as the unresolved problems with the IBOC system, we have to say that, in Latin America at least, the cost- benefit equation is absolutely unfavourable to the broadcaster." Any additional comment? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 16 19:28:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17457 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 03:28:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 03:28:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 03:28:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 03:28:54 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.100] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jan 2009 03:28:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:28:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.16.135.195 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: Radio World IBOC comment X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=pcEbDBxoq0CGpcL0DmH9q2YlgJOpE6bTc7rFxhxH927s0VmodfVUf2Vr36qhXj3fB5vuQvCB X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > The last issue of the spanish version of Radio World, has an IBOC=20 > comment by Jorge Alberto Val=E1n, partner of Adema SA, I want to=20 share=20 > the central part with you. >=20 > I hope nobody will be angry with the following part (I translate it=20 > directly from the spanish words): >=20 > "I know, positively, that iBiquity is making determined efforts in=20 > the region to get the adoption of its system. That's I absolutely=20 > agree with Larry Langford when he says: 'iBiquity made an eternal=20 > revenues machine (to iBiquity of course).'" >=20 > "iBiquity asks from us more than the original US$ 25,000 they ask=20 to=20 > Larry because the IBOC exciter, only to get the same thing we=20 > already know: it is possible to pass a digital signal through an AM=20 > transmitter." >=20 > Then he adds: "As well as the unresolved problems with the IBOC=20 > system, we have to say that, in Latin America at least, the cost- > benefit equation is absolutely unfavourable to the broadcaster." >=20 > Any additional comment? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Gang Thats great news to me!!!! Maybe just maybe AM STEREO just=20 mite rise out of the ashs. The HD radios would have to come down=20 even more for me to get one. RS still has theres at $79. Jim Smith=20 Nor Cal From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 16 23:15:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39298 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 07:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 07:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.88) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 07:15:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31889 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 07:15:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i4j0t9) (jimsmith95650@75.19.159.96 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 07:15:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mvL5yb0VM1k8Pj.9p9LyOFdI1inbnGHqttv5Y4mTwafMvNBU3UfytpVGgCnl4ifwqgDGgghVtbTmzqr7C.Yde6Z5JbEbZwC1oXMJJD3qZOe0NJldF6xtoSQOUG3XQKeCpPbHCbg_HQvRuf2eS0T6zZNycMxt7QAH9sfYS2F5mSOV4F72i6Ladf4sdEsbruQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000d01c97873$5e9ba2c0$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:15:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Fw: AM HD with music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=MrldUdK2UiuAG33JbiGBooqWTzAQG-TkXxW3XmBe8ai7GeEqKSEslSNCwyDj8b58A0sr5eAa X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: amstereo@meduci.com Cc: jim smith Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:07 PM Subject: AM HD with music Hi Gang At one time some one said a few years ago that there would be more music on AM because of AM HD and I just went through a big list HD stations and there is only one that I have found that is AM HD music station and that is KKNX AM 840 Eugene Or formally a AM STEREO station. There web site still mentions that they went AM STEREO it dose not talk about HD radio but they are on the list. So music is still not coming very fast to AM because of to much money.That is really a same that money has to ruin it for the rest of us. MY local KAHI AM 950 mono station still plays music on the week ends I feel lucky about that .And there is another that play music 7 a week in Marysville ca called KUBA AM 1600 mono that I also feel lucky about that one to. Now if can just get them to go AM STEREO in better days some day that would be great. I have herd AM HD and I was not impressed on local KFBK AM HD 1530. It almost sounded like platform motion. Good night gang. Jim Smith NOR CAL OOPS I sent to the wrong mail box the first time . I hope Jeff enjoyed it [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 07:09:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24923 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2009 15:09:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2009 15:09:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2009 15:09:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97516 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jan 2009 15:09:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2fGvXQAVM1nJmIrc9_YPJ.EIhCSYsoiCjjImKuzzDneAGGizSIZPM0zPLm69QTdCbtXc9jE0XaCzCvO5pauHo3x1ECePdj.yjqHh1CcjSuRJq35IdlO7.noXECFZcrDnEXqyVhRSp8WtGFQjJ3Y03G48M_Xsbnk_mmMKV5XIlTnOvVm68fabXOTwYrBXAGt2QUWt6lTvLm3AydGLQeSP4S8hdD0vD9C7QoAz6FJ0xCF_ghD5jiXnkuaqq.yyvJPfQuzP X-Received: from [64.222.33.72] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:09:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:09:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c97873$5e9ba2c0$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <353120.97377.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: AM HD with music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=3C_vtWt6s6UsdqUthxzFL3deQXMi7N49DttWK7d9FIr4aLmkjrxZ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sad to say but most people aren't used to hearing music on A.M. anymore.=A0= In fact the big broadcasters are trying to move talk to F.M. to attract yo= unger listeners because their underperforming music stations just aren't do= ing the job anymore! A.M. "HD" is pointless.=A0 If I own a station, I'm not going to waste $25k = giving that to iBiquity when I could just as easily light 250 $100 bills on= fire! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (V31VQ renewal pending) --- On Sat, 1/17/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Subject: {AMSF} Fw: AM HD with music To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 2:15 AM =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jimsmith95650@ sbcglobal. net=20 To: amstereo@meduci. com=20 Cc: jim smith=20 Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:07 PM Subject: AM HD with music Hi Gang At one time some one said a few years ago that there would be mor= e music on AM because of AM HD and I just went through a big list HD statio= ns and there is only one that I have found that is AM HD music station and= that is KKNX AM 840 Eugene Or formally a AM STEREO station. There web site= still mentions that they went AM STEREO it dose not talk about HD radio bu= t they are on the list. So music is still not coming very fast to AM becaus= e of to much money.That is really a same that money has to ruin it for the = rest of us. MY local KAHI AM 950 mono station still plays music on the we= ek ends I feel lucky about that .And there is another that play music 7 a w= eek in Marysville ca called KUBA AM 1600 mono that I also feel lucky about = that one to. Now if can just get them to go AM STEREO in better days some d= ay that would be great. I have herd AM HD and I was not impressed on local = KFBK AM HD 1530. It almost sounded like platform motion. Good night gang. Jim Smith NOR CAL OOPS I sent to the wrong mail box the first= time . I hope Jeff enjoyed it [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alinton@iol.ie Sun Jan 18 10:00:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alinton@iol.ie X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81980 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2009 18:00:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2009 18:00:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO totalbroadcast.net) (84.203.121.54) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2009 18:00:51 -0000 X-Received: from Spooler by totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.61) ID MO0008F4; 18 Jan 2009 18:00:51 -0000 X-Received: from spooler by mail.totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.61); 18 Jan 2009 18:00:40 -0000 X-SPAMWALL: Passed through antiSPAM test by SpamHalter 4.4.0 on mail.totalbroadcast.net (576) X-SPAMWALL: probability - 0.0% X-SPAMWALL: Whitelisted X-CLAMWALL: Passed through antiviral test by ClamWall 1.3.0.95 on mail.totalbroadcast.net (955) X-Received: from fr1 (89.124.235.2) by mail.totalbroadcast.net (Mercury/32 v4.61) with ESMTP ID MG0008F3; 18 Jan 2009 18:00:36 -0000 To: References: <000d01c97873$5e9ba2c0$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> In-Reply-To: <000d01c97873$5e9ba2c0$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:00:36 -0000 Message-ID: <00a701c97996$ab2e8de0$018ba9a0$@ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acl4c1pmwcQ0JmMORmekeW1lI3Q8iQBI0Pzw Content-Language: en-ie X-Originating-IP: 84.203.121.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "Andy Linton" Subject: Tecsun PL-600 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139247314; y=vgaTIez1KfCobKIB-_TcuqqxKzh4MNeekKqaOiGal36xIDjSNVY X-Yahoo-Profile: alinton1_ie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all, Has anyone got one of these radios? I got one after reading a good review. RF performance seems good, but on mine the audio quality on AM is bad - very distorted. The FM sounds fine. I'm wondering if it's just mine or if they're all like it. Andy Linton Waterford Ireland [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 19 05:55:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52302 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 13:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2009 13:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 13:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d3a.3659c50f (65100) for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:54:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:54:58 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-D3XHWBv0MOz5SvvVgz65IfXG6FsqD7HxkX3LPc3Iz-Y--69iU5_q4KFpRvoG6RG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/16/2009 8:11:50 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Speaking of which has anyone, besides Don Milbury and myself, ever noticed > that some of the most brutal regimes of recent history have all been spawned > from utopian dreams? > I heard the exact same comment on Hannity's radio program. It must have been a rightwing talking point. I listen to Hannity for much the same reason people slow down to gauk at a horrific accident on the highway. Sure, it's ugly, but sometimes you got to put up your two bits to see Dog Boy and Bearded Lady. I would prefer Air America or Nova M, but there is no station within listening range. The streaming grates on my nerves after awhile. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bc d=DecemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 19 06:06:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3352 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 14:06:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2009 14:06:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 14:06:29 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bfa.3342c5b6 (65100) for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:06:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:06:21 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6IKCOh3IxavOsWUrSMtVWSTtA3tILy6O3OSRJQINAzVsQyPabvKImrvK7p1yeKBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/16/2009 8:21:05 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > The REA dates back to the 20s. The problem with government building > programs is once they're done, then what? It'll be another government project being > paid for how? Last I heard, the Tennessee Valley Authority, Hoover Dam, the Grand Coulee Dam, etc. weren't giving electricity away. Each has provided a good return to the taxpayers. As for the REA, my uncle's farm did not have electricity until after the WWII. He had a Delco system for lights and a generator that ran off a tractor PTO for the occassion need for electrical power. When my aunt passed away about 10 years ago, she still was using the Servel LP Gas refrigerator. Last summer I went to WOWO country for a wedding and we drove through the Amish colony. You could drive for 10 miles without see power line. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 19 06:10:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 869 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 14:10:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2009 14:10:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 14:10:27 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c55.3eac081d (65100) for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:10:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:10:21 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=0NXTm6BSlDg2T25hWEgbx5fFUTC8V68o03l6-6iqX9dk1Q4TvAwgzWMniyyTTdA3 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/16/2009 8:00:29 PM Central Standard Time, big_h00pla@yahoo.com writes: > Your Republicans did nothing. > I believe Scott hails from the Twin Cities. I didn't think there were any Republicans in the People's Republic of Minnesota except for the ones who abuse their airport restrooms passing through. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bc d=DecemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 07:13:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78827 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 15:13:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2009 15:13:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 15:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2009 15:13:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2009 15:13:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:13:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.104 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A programming question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=GlEiFMCV_7n9dtwbrQseB3xB3oIR52ipFir6yvnsriz6ja6mHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! As you know, in the Latin America radio world there are a lot of=20 stations with, still, a lot of music. We have tropical dance music=20 (cumbia, merengue, cha-cha-cha, salsa, etc.), folkloric music (from=20 each country) and international pop, rock, etc. music (specifically=20 from USA and West Europe). So, in a country like my country (CHile) we can find a lot of=20 english music (USA mostly) in the today radio (mostly FM) stations.=20 And it has an important amount of listeners. I wanna know if inside USA there are stations with spanish music. Or=20 Do you have only english music format? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Mon Jan 19 07:41:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4176 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 15:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2009 15:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 15:41:55 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1129680ywm.20 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:41:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.12.1 with SMTP id p1mr2058242ybi.95.1232379714720; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:41:54 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?10.10.10.12? (adsl-074-239-183-162.sip.gsp.bellsouth.net [74.239.183.162]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t26sm10175981ele.15.2009.01.19.07.41.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:41:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:41:50 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} A programming question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=W2M5UMx2shG0d258UHgKPHveSRoMql4q83i9wH3eZhcoKKnE5wwIR9LoCoLTZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 19, 2009, at 10:13 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > I wanna know if inside USA there are stations with spanish music. Or > Do you have only english music format? Locally, we have 4 Spanish AMs and 3 Spanish FMs. WGVL 1440 is Columbian, the rest are Mexican. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Jan 19 09:53:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98013 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 17:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2009 17:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 17:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEZKRQ5AMM3UJ2 for (sender ); Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:52:27 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD0nKUfoYyp3Cm/e41EEqSb4= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N7APC3V3; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:51:36 PST X-Received: from [99.129.209.181] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:49:41 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:49:41 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090119.094941.25423.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:173300814 X-MAIL-INFO:48010008212d4121294c1d293ca5c9cce9783ce9cce5d5b19c9ce5097d45fcec65ed5565457ce500b14cad012d794908f985 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.149|webmail09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Celebrating Dr. King, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=axS5sHvBAGSUhAK1uWbcFFIB9zjLzZWjsYgIX6hZ8g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Get ready for the expletives and rock throwing: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. http://www.trustedpartner.com/docs/library/000143/NBRA%20Civil%20Rights%20N= ewsletter.pdf=20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 14:09:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52276 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 22:09:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2009 22:09:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.91) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 22:09:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2009 22:09:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.75.180] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2009 22:09:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp101.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2009 22:09:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 392936.36778.bm@omp101.mail.re1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 5182 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 22:09:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.220 with plain) by smtp110.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 22:09:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YuHinWAVM1n0S3dzqSGRo6u9dpROzvPqnaN9Lkwf5mCPJc7UuCIeO.J_9Nv0VWG83jb7qEohyvlfvyChukvJ8qBK5yjvuCQ5SBt9zWPmQY0XanOUjc6.ItzsAzDUM7mLtfEI48rI4UdcfCFThkzyiQGXBh3uJVvT4OJrfDuOW_xSNTmYUYJwDh1MrWo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:09:44 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=_FTGXdTm76iL--uFXeGcLEUdqjQZxRfChVol9SevrocBYIhx1g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Last I heard, the Tennessee Valley Authority, Hoover Dam, the Grand > Coulee > Dam, etc. weren't giving electricity away. Each has provided a > good return to > the taxpayers. I used to get my power in Arizona from the Salt River Project, a series of hydroelectric power producing dams on the Salt River. Believe me, they are making money from the rates I had to pay. I moved to Tennessee. I pay a lot of money each month to the TVA. They are not free either. Take my word for it. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 14:13:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94275 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 22:13:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2009 22:13:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.92) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 22:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.88] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2009 22:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.75.181] by t4.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2009 22:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp102.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2009 22:13:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 480804.63884.bm@omp102.mail.re1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 40027 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 22:07:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.220 with plain) by smtp105.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 22:07:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: z9fe6PYVM1mNX8iB_DBjNEb1wQ386wWY6deRYCuBDw.DGldGSytdZfVwqw19wYPKPiBK1pA5BI0cOu0ZNWxEjuKaJa9WDv9IkwbLmjtjI4ccSDoF5n8hcB4cUIRBPgDZtU6K5wlrqlEzaUit1brtdr83rFIMhHYe_x6ok2_Z_iyUZBC.yK_i8ql_aR0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:07:08 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=4PSR171RpYa7gmwEC8sPiiCKK0-lJtUNvTApeXXHTKdj56zImA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > I listen to Hannity for much the same reason > people slow down to gauk at a horrific accident on the highway. > Sure, it's ugly, > but sometimes you got to put up your two bits to see Dog Boy and > Bearded Lady. ROFLMAO! > I would prefer Air America or Nova M, but there is no station within > listening range. The streaming grates on my nerves after awhile. If you are rich enough you can hear them on XM. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 14:18:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64531 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 22:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2009 22:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.94) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 22:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n9.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2009 22:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.75.182] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2009 22:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp103.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2009 22:18:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 231476.68806.bm@omp103.mail.re1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 51386 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 22:11:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.220 with plain) by smtp107.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 22:11:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vtEEd3EVM1mvdGSTvuwSmxzdgs2vjuNdG.cAC96GYfDoLYXN1P8NhTgrfL_QGu4jCpx1KUu6swD0yr5F7sJ7asnSqeld3a.I6hpvO1lT8HQyfKnfFt5.En03Jq5dSoEETY3w9x4p0iGhdeP6.SzG3aDduMbnPlhDwa13D1Vyx27.JoC99KoSsSGt81ZCIVabw756WSnjrsJ53aGVtg8qDpvy5Q-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7C99FB20-87D1-4BB5-82B1-6B84718FE1F8@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:11:17 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} KGO in hard times X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=5RT-q5hEBtWsoHKtY_miob6d7IGJrYBoaUkvbYCvMdaSzCVj7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Besides Mr. Larry Craig in the airport.... Mr Coleman who just lost to Mr. Franken was a Republican. Congress is a funny place. Franken will fit in. Kevin On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:10 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I believe Scott hails from the Twin Cities. I didn't think there > were any > Republicans in the People's Republic of Minnesota except for the > ones who abuse > their airport restrooms passing through. 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(big_h00pla@75.120.203.220 with plain) by smtp111.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 22:41:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WXiZxHsVM1l6sf.aaHYzmNXoih5_WzdSYukOBghcaUliU3Ptw2VtCox2.GJ3crj50FVeWOBCT.UpolwV2roqzXNRj3ja4kL4ZK7nOL1MlDrd25afxuoS63vz0u1oljt2W4cNM4Mbq8fsx7Bg3ZVLUp3oBvQJtBQx.dUpMpjTX1_yYXiXTH2i_NWEBUOguvUJpUtav0pneu7y5CiBK_X6MhRKxe_sx8dnZ.T911Wl3g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20090119.094941.25423.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> References: <20090119.094941.25423.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6E55633D-C32B-4C5A-A29D-3D6CA5D3BC2C@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:41:29 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Celebrating Dr. King, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=zZ9YukE70T3qIMrCu3vhby4MMyTEuAJ7Sd92_VNTOBp5jO-qAA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. > > http://www.trustedpartner.com/docs/library/000143/NBRA%20Civil%=20 > 20Rights%20Newsletter.pdf How can this be? This URL says he was a Communist! Not only that, it=20=20 says he was a sex addict! http://www.martinlutherking.org/thebeast.html Does this mean Republicans are Communists and sex fiends? I don't know if I believe it all but it says he is communist. You say=20=20 he was a Republican so I guess logically I can infer Republicans are=20=20 communists. It also says King was a philanderer. Does this mean=20=20 Republicans are sex fiends and communists? Who would have ever=20=20 thought Republicans could be Communist sex addicts. Its interesting=20=20 you brought this up...... I'm so confused that you could say he was a Republican if King did=20=20 all the stuff in that URL I posted. Like I said, dunno if this stuff is true about MLK, but I CAN believe=20=20 it about Republicans. Communist Beliefs and Connections Well friends, he is not a legitimate reverend, he is not a bona fide=20=20 PhD, and his name isn't really "Martin Luther King, Jr." What's left?=20=20 Just a sexual degenerate, an America-hating Communist, and a criminal=20=20 betrayer of even the interests of his own people. On Labor Day, 1957, a special meeting was attended by Martin Luther=20=20 King and four others at a strange institution called the Highlander=20=20 Folk School in Monteagle, Tennessee. The Highlander Folk School was a=20=20 Communist front, having been founded by Myles Horton (Communist Party=20=20 organizer for Tennessee) and Don West (Communist Party organizer for=20=20 North Carolina). The leaders of this meeting with King were the=20=20 aforementioned Horton and West, along with Abner Berry and James=20=20 Dumbrowski, all open and acknowledged members of the Communist Party,=20=20 USA. The agenda of the meeting was a plan to tour the Southern states=20=20 to initiate demonstrations and riots. From 1955 to 1960, Martin Luther King's associate, advisor, and=20=20 personal secretary was one Bayard Rustin. In 1936 Rustin joined the=20=20 Young Communist League at New York City College. Convicted of draft-=20 dodging, he went to prison for two years in 1944. On January 23, 1953=20=20 the "Los Angeles Times" reported his conviction and sentencing to=20=20 jail for 60 days for lewd vagrancy and homosexual perversion. Rustin=20=20 attended the 16th Convention of the Communist Party, USA in February,=20=20 1957. One month later, he and King founded the Southern Christian=20=20 Leadership Conference, or SCLC for short. The president of the SCLC=20=20 was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The vice-president of the SCLC was=20=20 the Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth, who was also the president of an=20=20 identified Communist front known as the Southern Conference=20=20 Educational Fund, an organization whose field director, a Mr. Carl=20=20 Braden, was simultaneously a national sponsor of the Fair Play for=20=20 Cuba Committee, of which you may have heard. The program director of=20=20 the SCLC was the Reverend Andrew Young, in more recent years Jimmy=20=20 Carter's ambassador to the UN and mayor of Atlanta. Young, by the=20=20 way, was trained at the Highlander Folk School, previously mentioned. Soon after returning from a trip to Moscow in 1958, Rustin organized=20=20 the first of King's famous marches on Washington. The official organ=20=20 of the Communist Party, "The Worker,- - openly declared the march to=20=20 be a Communist project. Although he left King's employ as secretary=20=20 in 1961, Rustin was called upon by King to be second in command of=20=20 the much larger march on Washington which took place on August 28, 1963. Bayard Rustin's replacement in 1961 as secretary and advisor to King=20=20 was Jack O'Dell, also known as Hunter Pitts O'Dell. According to=20=20 official records, in 1962 Jack O'Dell was a member of the National=20=20 Committee of the Communist Party, USA. He had been listed as a=20=20 Communist Party member as early as 1956. O'Dell was also given the=20=20 job of acting executive director for SCLC activities for the entire=20=20 Southeast, according to the St. Louis "Globe-Democrat - -of October=20=20 26, 1962. At that time, there were still some patriots in the press=20=20 corps, and word of O'Dell's party membership became known. What did King do? Shortly after the negative news reports, King fired=20=20 O'Dell with much fanfare. And he then, without the fanfare,=20=20 "immediately hired him again- - as director of the New York office of=20=20 the SCLC, as confirmed by the "Richmond News-Leader - -of September=20=20 27, 1963. In 1963 a Black man from Monroe, North Carolina named=20=20 Robert Williams made a trip to Peking, China. Exactly 20 days before=20=20 King's 1963 march on Washington, Williams successfully urged Mao Tse-=20 Tung to speak out on behalf of King's movement. Mr. Williams was also=20=20 around this time maintaining his primary residence in Cuba, from=20=20 which he made regular broadcasts to the southern US, three times a=20=20 week, from high-power AM transmitters in Havana under the title=20=20 "Radio Free Dixie." In these broadcasts, he urged violent attacks by=20=20 Blacks against White Americans. During this period, Williams wrote a book entitled "Negroes With=20=20 Guns." The writer of the foreword for this book? None other than=20=20 Martin Luther King, Jr. It is also interesting to note that the=20=20 editors and publishers of this book were to a man all supporters of=20=20 the infamous Fair Play for Cuba Committee. According to King's biographer and sympathizer David J. Garrow, "King=20=20 privately described himself as a Marxist." In his 1981 book, "The FBI=20=20 and Martin Luther King, Jr.", Garrow quotes King as saying in SCLC=20=20 staff meetings, "...we have moved into a new era, which must be an=20=20 era of revolution.... The whole structure of American life must be=20=20 changed.... We are engaged in the class struggle." Jewish Communist Stanley Levison can best be described as King's=20=20 behind-the-scenes "handler." Levison, who had for years been in=20=20 charge of the secret funnelling of Soviet funds to the Communist=20=20 Party, USA, was King's mentor and was actually the brains behind many=20=20 of King's more successful ploys. It was Levison who edited King's=20=20 book, "Stride Toward Freedom." It was Levison who arranged for a=20=20 publisher. Levison even prepared King's income tax returns! It was=20=20 Levison who really controlled the fund-raising and agitation=20=20 activities of the SCLC. Levison wrote many of King's speeches. King=20=20 described Levison as one of his "closest friends." FBI: King Bought Sex With SCLC Money The Federal Bureau of Investigation had for many years been aware of=20=20 Stanley Levison's Communist activities. It was Levison's close=20=20 association with King that brought about the initial FBI interest in=20=20 King. Lest you be tempted to believe the controlled media's lie about=20=20 "racists" in the FBI being out to "get" King, you should be aware=20=20 that the man most responsible for the FBI's probe of King was=20=20 Assistant Director William C. Sullivan. Sullivan describes himself as=20=20 a liberal, and says that initially "I was one hundred per cent for=20=20 King...because I saw him as an effective and badly needed leader for=20=20 the Black people in their desire for civil rights." The probe of King=20=20 not only confirmed their suspicions about King's Communist beliefs=20=20 and associations, but it also revealed King to be a despicable=20=20 hypocrite, an immoral degenerate, and a worthless charlatan. According to Assistant Director Sullivan, who had direct access to=20=20 the surveillance files on King which are denied the American people,=20=20 King had embezzled or misapplied substantial amounts of money=20=20 contributed to the "civil rights" movement. King used SCLC funds to=20=20 pay for liquor, and numerous prostitutes both Black and White, who=20=20 were brought to his hotel rooms, often two at a time, for drunken sex=20=20 parties which sometimes lasted for several days. These types of=20=20 activities were the norm for King's speaking and organizing tours. In fact, an outfit called The National Civil Rights Museum in=20=20 Memphis, Tennessee, which is putting on display the two bedrooms from=20=20 the Lorraine Motel where King stayed the night before he was shot,=20=20 has declined to depict in any way the "occupants - -of those rooms.=20=20 That "according to exhibit designer Gerard Eisterhold "would be=20=20 "close to blasphemy." The reason? Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. spent=20=20 his last night on Earth having sex with two women at the motel and=20=20 physically beating and abusing a third. Sullivan also stated that King had alienated the affections of=20=20 numerous married women. According to Sullivan, who in 30 years with=20=20 the Bureau had=E1seen everything there was to be seen of the seamy side = =20 of life, King was one of only seven people he had ever encountered=20=20 who was such a total degenerate. Noting the violence that almost invariably attended King's supposedly=20=20 "non-violent" marches, Sullivan's probe revealed a very different=20=20 King from the carefully crafted public image. King welcomed members=20=20 of many different Black groups as members of his SCLC, many of them=20=20 advocates and practitioners of violence. King's only admonition on=20=20 the subject was that they should embrace "tactical nonviolence." Sullivan also relates an incident in which King met in a financial=20=20 conference with Communist Party representatives, not knowing that one=20=20 of the participants was an infiltrator actually working for the FBI. J. Edgar Hoover personally saw to it that documented information on=20=20 King's Communist connections was provided to the President and to=20=20 Congress. And conclusive information from FBI files was also provided=20=20 to major newspapers and news wire services. But were the American=20=20 people informed of King's real nature? No, for even in the 1960s, the=20=20 fix was in "the controlled media and the bought politicians were=20=20 bound and determined to push their racial mixing program on America.=20=20 King was their man and nothing was going to get in their way. With a=20=20 few minor exceptions, these facts have been kept from the American=20=20 people. The pro-King propaganda machine grinds on, and it is even=20=20 reported that a serious proposal has been made to add some of King's=20=20 writings as a new book in the Bible. Ladies and gentlemen, the purpose of this radio program is far=20=20 greater than to prove to you the immorality and subversion of this=20=20 man called King. I want you to start to think for yourselves. I want=20=20 you to consider this: What are the forces and motivation behind the=20=20 controlled media's active promotion of King? What does it tell you=20=20 about our politicians when you see them, almost without exception,=20=20 falling all over themselves to honor King as a national hero? What=20=20 does it tell you about our society when any public criticism of this=20=20 moral leper and Communist functionary is considered grounds for=20=20 dismissal? What does it tell you about the controlled media when you=20=20 see how they have successfully suppressed the truth and held out a=20=20 picture of King that can only be described as a colossal lie? You=20=20 need to think, my fellow Americans. You desperately need to wake up. From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 19 14:46:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75676 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 22:46:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2009 22:46:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 22:46:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cbf.3136d474 (48576) for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:46:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:48:40 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Celebrating Dr. King, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tY2iIXooCOpOkwi2mizrZwnEBJzMVT_I2Tbj46NykszUw0rzOp4njOog-mBUbMJf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin Luther King, Jr. might have once been a Republican. In the South, the traditional party roles are sometimes reversed. Dr. King may have been a Republican just as Abraham Lincoln was. Southern Democrats were known as Dixiecrats, who shared nothing in common with the Democratic party of today. The great senator and parlimentarian Robert Byrd of West Virginia was once a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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I don't know what it is, but there is something irritating about it. I don't mean the programming but rather something about the signal processing and transmission. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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(big_h00pla@75.120.203.220 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 22:56:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: irzVBywVM1kSFF5vJRzjbpPrciagjmUdxdo0tkNxSs8BMUFL34D.rUFE_OnBz9cijvp4mJPmCZArfV8Qxrj49JYgnwRhKDdPskDzkIq0CDHZPU5tyC9wxpPduHfRR6_GkTrs8afag7AxzJRU9nHHwIYrCSXu5oIEVvrFQKVjjh_fr7qNPUZExCG.yczJOeG_FwBPWTZKXFn0tOXjOoIGAv1TNw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <28C202E6-E21F-4EEE-936E-A25A6C66D35F@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:56:36 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=lNBFlPwlvdQS1bciZ6iBo3hymLGqy0YyR9AeVKooMs6iITnWMA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Some of the channels sound great and some really do suck. On Jan 19, 2009, at 4:52 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I had a car rental with XM. I don't know what it is, but there is > something > irritating about it. I From w6yn@juno.com Mon Jan 19 15:20:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42911 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 23:19:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2009 23:19:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 23:19:59 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail05.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.145]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEZLCVZAJ4ZD4A for (sender ); Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:19:19 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD6yal0Rgz1RrXGKkmPXOPj0= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail05.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N7A93D84; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:18:22 PST X-Received: from [99.129.209.181] by webmail05.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:17:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:17:50 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090119.151750.11518.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:1750945951 X-MAIL-INFO:5635ed4df520c1f5b48931b4393d102d210c39212d250db1bdbd25e94030816945dd614530d425edb189f4352011e14d79a1dd64c9e46485c9c98510516010a060396d44c401d41d44c5d46df49d9d94d064c5849d846965c9cd0dadfd9dcdfd5560593051742929 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.145|webmail05.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Celebrating Dr. King, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=rPTRs_iT0y_aqi1RiuSsatlpvL0lXUdKPyr7qdbfPg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn In =93A Covenant With Life: Reclaiming MLK=92s Legacy=94, Dr. Alveda C. King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., states: =93My grandfather, Dr. Martin Luther King, Sr., or =91Daddy King=92, was a Republican and father of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. who was a Republican.=94 -- kevin redding wrote: > Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. > http://www.trustedpartner.com/docs/library/000143/NBRA%20Civil% 20Rights%20Newsletter.pdf How can this be? This URL says he was a Communist! Not only that, it=20=20 says he was a sex addict! http://www.martinlutherking.org/thebeast.html Does this mean Republicans are Communists and sex fiends? I don't know if I believe it all but it says he is communist. You say=20=20 he was a Republican so I guess logically I can infer Republicans are=20=20 communists.=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 15:31:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91202 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 23:31:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2009 23:31:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 23:31:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22003 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2009 23:31:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nZSvKCMVM1m6wtsETDGVzUHW4ZQtXhlGGqP.Kj75nxna1F4M8bV3IQlA35lLa5PY4OUcg4W3GBX53XMuSETOkS9tWmzIIohy17WVlgFwq9FUq9cX5thPTNzVKGh9ykFWbuu4AgDa.9aeGSy_JGQmb5yAkLKt17rALq8UGeL8XqaSaevxZ3ho5B.HEOxjfYi3a9hLzkJehkda4dS0tuNAmImnvO1g1sA- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:31:04 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:31:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <417145.21268.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Celebrating Dr. King, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=PmwhqO7qHbhU-Y1D5pRWkkrdYoxpsSZY1tvVTiMhrgXNPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Kevin, I am so awash in shock and confusion right now, after reading this, that I = hardly know where to start! It seems a bit backward from the norm to cover up when somebody IS a Commun= ist, especially at a time when one didn't even need to be one to be accused= of it. Consider also the tendency of the GOP to use the "C" word to (A) scare people into further hating whomever the GOP deemed=20 "a threat to the American way", and (B) to describe anyone that thought in = any way contrary to their sacred "have/have not" system. (sacred only as lo= ng as THEY are the "haves", of course) I have been called a Marxist, a Leninist, a Communist and a Socialist for no other "crime" than speaking = out against labor exploitation or dishonest management! Far worse than name= -calling awaited anyone willing to organize labor, or fight for the rights = of a minority...and sometimes still DOES. Given that Dr. King was rocking the boat, threatening to remove the exploit= ation and oppression of African Americans, I can certainly see how many in power would CALL him a Communist out of desperation and fear=20 of having to share their human rights and (Heaven forbid!) fair wages with= =20 ANY minority. But is there any documented PROOF of this? I would sure like to see it! If it DOES exist, it has been hidden better than those unfortunate little aliens from the Roswell crash!=20 And the question in my mind still remains...WHY? WHY even today do politic= ians from BOTH sides of the aisle still hold Dr. King in such high regard? = Is it maybe a psychological cookie being thrown to us to keep our little mi= nds busy while they set up for the big kill? As an aside, I wouldn't take ANYTHING reported by J. Edgar Hoover as gospel= ...THAT man had a SERIOUS set of issues. He had an absolute distrust and ha= tred, and even outright paranoia for anyone not 100% on his ideological pag= e...not to mention a closet full of dresses, hah-hah! But I DO recall somebody a few years ago on a local talker claiming Dr. King was a Communist...but this was the same jerk that would call someb= ody that for wanting to get a raise to minimum wage, or the right to go to = the bathroom once in a twelve-hour shift. Some of these "political experts" should find out what a Communist REALLY I= S before they go using the title as a poorly-focused weapon to advance thei= r own greedy causes! George =20 =20 --- On Mon, 1/19/09, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Celebrating Dr. King, > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 5:41 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > > Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a > Republican. >=20 > > >=20 > > http://www.trustedp > artner.com/ docs/library/ 000143/NBRA% 20Civil%=20 >=20 > > 20Rights%20Newslett er.pdf >=20 >=20 >=20 > How can this be? This URL says he was a Communist! Not only > that, it=20=20 >=20 > says he was a sex addict! >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://www.martinlu > therking. org/thebeast. html >=20 >=20 >=20 > Does this mean Republicans are Communists and sex fiends? >=20 >=20 >=20 > I don't know if I believe it all but it says he is > communist. You say=20=20 >=20 > he was a Republican so I guess logically I can infer > Republicans are=20=20 >=20 > communists. It also says King was a philanderer. Does this > mean=20=20 >=20 > Republicans are sex fiends and communists? Who would have > ever=20=20 >=20 > thought Republicans could be Communist sex addicts. Its > interesting=20=20 >=20 > you brought this up...... >=20 >=20 >=20 > I'm so confused that you could say he was a Republican > if King did=20=20 >=20 > all the stuff in that URL I posted. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Like I said, dunno if this stuff is true about MLK, but I > CAN believe=20=20 >=20 > it about Republicans. >=20 > Communist Beliefs and Connections >=20 >=20 >=20 > Well friends, he is not a legitimate reverend, he is not a > bona fide=20=20 >=20 > PhD, and his name isn't really "Martin Luther > King, Jr." What's left?=20=20 >=20 > Just a sexual degenerate, an America-hating Communist, and > a criminal=20=20 >=20 > betrayer of even the interests of his own people. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Labor Day, 1957, a special meeting was attended by > Martin Luther=20=20 >=20 > King and four others at a strange institution called the > Highlander=20=20 >=20 > Folk School in Monteagle, Tennessee. The Highlander Folk > School was a=20=20 >=20 > Communist front, having been founded by Myles Horton > (Communist Party=20=20 >=20 > organizer for Tennessee) and Don West (Communist Party > organizer for=20=20 >=20 > North Carolina). The leaders of this meeting with King were > the=20=20 >=20 > aforementioned Horton and West, along with Abner Berry and > James=20=20 >=20 > Dumbrowski, all open and acknowledged members of the > Communist Party,=20=20 >=20 > USA. The agenda of the meeting was a plan to tour the > Southern states=20=20 >=20 > to initiate demonstrations and riots. >=20 >=20 >=20 > From 1955 to 1960, Martin Luther King's associate, > advisor, and=20=20 >=20 > personal secretary was one Bayard Rustin. In 1936 Rustin > joined the=20=20 >=20 > Young Communist League at New York City College. Convicted > of draft-=20 >=20 > dodging, he went to prison for two years in 1944. On > January 23, 1953=20=20 >=20 > the "Los Angeles Times" reported his conviction > and sentencing to=20=20 >=20 > jail for 60 days for lewd vagrancy and homosexual > perversion. Rustin=20=20 >=20 > attended the 16th Convention of the Communist Party, USA in > February,=20=20 >=20 > 1957. One month later, he and King founded the Southern > Christian=20=20 >=20 > Leadership Conference, or SCLC for short. The president of > the SCLC=20=20 >=20 > was Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The vice-president of the > SCLC was=20=20 >=20 > the Reverend Fred Shuttlesworth, who was also the president > of an=20=20 >=20 > identified Communist front known as the Southern Conference >=20=20 >=20 > Educational Fund, an organization whose field director, a > Mr. Carl=20=20 >=20 > Braden, was simultaneously a national sponsor of the Fair > Play for=20=20 >=20 > Cuba Committee, of which you may have heard. The program > director of=20=20 >=20 > the SCLC was the Reverend Andrew Young, in more recent > years Jimmy=20=20 >=20 > Carter's ambassador to the UN and mayor of Atlanta. > Young, by the=20=20 >=20 > way, was trained at the Highlander Folk School, previously > mentioned. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Soon after returning from a trip to Moscow in 1958, Rustin > organized=20=20 >=20 > the first of King's famous marches on Washington. The > official organ=20=20 >=20 > of the Communist Party, "The Worker,- - openly > declared the march to=20=20 >=20 > be a Communist project. Although he left King's employ > as secretary=20=20 >=20 > in 1961, Rustin was called upon by King to be second in > command of=20=20 >=20 > the much larger march on Washington which took place on > August 28, 1963. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Bayard Rustin's replacement in 1961 as secretary and > advisor to King=20=20 >=20 > was Jack O'Dell, also known as Hunter Pitts O'Dell. > According to=20=20 >=20 > official records, in 1962 Jack O'Dell was a member of > the National=20=20 >=20 > Committee of the Communist Party, USA. He had been listed > as a=20=20 >=20 > Communist Party member as early as 1956. O'Dell was > also given the=20=20 >=20 > job of acting executive director for SCLC activities for > the entire=20=20 >=20 > Southeast, according to the St. Louis "Globe-Democrat > - -of October=20=20 >=20 > 26, 1962. At that time, there were still some patriots in > the press=20=20 >=20 > corps, and word of O'Dell's party membership became > known. >=20 >=20 >=20 > What did King do? Shortly after the negative news reports, > King fired=20=20 >=20 > O'Dell with much fanfare. And he then, without the > fanfare,=20=20 >=20 > "immediately hired him again- - as director of the New > York office of=20=20 >=20 > the SCLC, as confirmed by the "Richmond News-Leader - > -of September=20=20 >=20 > 27, 1963. In 1963 a Black man from Monroe, North Carolina > named=20=20 >=20 > Robert Williams made a trip to Peking, China. Exactly 20 > days before=20=20 >=20 > King's 1963 march on Washington, Williams successfully > urged Mao Tse-=20 >=20 > Tung to speak out on behalf of King's movement. Mr. > Williams was also=20=20 >=20 > around this time maintaining his primary residence in Cuba, > from=20=20 >=20 > which he made regular broadcasts to the southern US, three > times a=20=20 >=20 > week, from high-power AM transmitters in Havana under the > title=20=20 >=20 > "Radio Free Dixie." In these broadcasts, he urged > violent attacks by=20=20 >=20 > Blacks against White Americans. >=20 >=20 >=20 > During this period, Williams wrote a book entitled > "Negroes With=20=20 >=20 > Guns." The writer of the foreword for this book? None > other than=20=20 >=20 > Martin Luther King, Jr. It is also interesting to note that > the=20=20 >=20 > editors and publishers of this book were to a man all > supporters of=20=20 >=20 > the infamous Fair Play for Cuba Committee. >=20 >=20 >=20 > According to King's biographer and sympathizer David J. > Garrow, "King=20=20 >=20 > privately described himself as a Marxist." In his 1981 > book, "The FBI=20=20 >=20 > and Martin Luther King, Jr.", Garrow quotes King as > saying in SCLC=20=20 >=20 > staff meetings, "...we have moved into a new era, > which must be an=20=20 >=20 > era of revolution.. .. The whole structure of American life > must be=20=20 >=20 > changed.... We are engaged in the class struggle." >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jewish Communist Stanley Levison can best be described as > King's=20=20 >=20 > behind-the-scenes "handler." Levison, who had for > years been in=20=20 >=20 > charge of the secret funnelling of Soviet funds to the > Communist=20=20 >=20 > Party, USA, was King's mentor and was actually the > brains behind many=20=20 >=20 > of King's more successful ploys. It was Levison who > edited King's=20=20 >=20 > book, "Stride Toward Freedom." It was Levison who > arranged for a=20=20 >=20 > publisher. Levison even prepared King's income tax > returns! It was=20=20 >=20 > Levison who really controlled the fund-raising and > agitation=20=20 >=20 > activities of the SCLC. Levison wrote many of King's > speeches. King=20=20 >=20 > described Levison as one of his "closest > friends." >=20 >=20 >=20 > FBI: King Bought Sex With SCLC Money >=20 >=20 >=20 > The Federal Bureau of Investigation had for many years been > aware of=20=20 >=20 > Stanley Levison's Communist activities. It was > Levison's close=20=20 >=20 > association with King that brought about the initial FBI > interest in=20=20 >=20 > King. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Lest you be tempted to believe the controlled media's > lie about=20=20 >=20 > "racists" in the FBI being out to "get" > King, you should be aware=20=20 >=20 > that the man most responsible for the FBI's probe of > King was=20=20 >=20 > Assistant Director William C. Sullivan. Sullivan describes > himself as=20=20 >=20 > a liberal, and says that initially "I was one hundred > per cent for=20=20 >=20 > King...because I saw him as an effective and badly needed > leader for=20=20 >=20 > the Black people in their desire for civil rights." > The probe of King=20=20 >=20 > not only confirmed their suspicions about King's > Communist beliefs=20=20 >=20 > and associations, but it also revealed King to be a > despicable=20=20 >=20 > hypocrite, an immoral degenerate, and a worthless > charlatan. >=20 >=20 >=20 > According to Assistant Director Sullivan, who had direct > access to=20=20 >=20 > the surveillance files on King which are denied the > American people,=20=20 >=20 > King had embezzled or misapplied substantial amounts of > money=20=20 >=20 > contributed to the "civil rights" movement. King > used SCLC funds to=20=20 >=20 > pay for liquor, and numerous prostitutes both Black and > White, who=20=20 >=20 > were brought to his hotel rooms, often two at a time, for > drunken sex=20=20 >=20 > parties which sometimes lasted for several days. These > types of=20=20 >=20 > activities were the norm for King's speaking and > organizing tours. >=20 >=20 >=20 > In fact, an outfit called The National Civil Rights Museum > in=20=20 >=20 > Memphis, Tennessee, which is putting on display the two > bedrooms from=20=20 >=20 > the Lorraine Motel where King stayed the night before he > was shot,=20=20 >=20 > has declined to depict in any way the "occupants - -of > those rooms.=20=20 >=20 > That "according to exhibit designer Gerard Eisterhold > "would be=20=20 >=20 > "close to blasphemy." The reason? Dr. Martin > Luther King, Jr. spent=20=20 >=20 > his last night on Earth having sex with two women at the > motel and=20=20 >=20 > physically beating and abusing a third. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sullivan also stated that King had alienated the affections > of=20=20 >=20 > numerous married women. According to Sullivan, who in 30 > years with=20=20 >=20 > the Bureau had=E1seen everything there was to be seen of the > seamy side=20=20 >=20 > of life, King was one of only seven people he had ever > encountered=20=20 >=20 > who was such a total degenerate. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Noting the violence that almost invariably attended > King's supposedly=20=20 >=20 > "non-violent" marches, Sullivan's probe > revealed a very different=20=20 >=20 > King from the carefully crafted public image. King welcomed > members=20=20 >=20 > of many different Black groups as members of his SCLC, many > of them=20=20 >=20 > advocates and practitioners of violence. King's only > admonition on=20=20 >=20 > the subject was that they should embrace "tactical > nonviolence. " >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sullivan also relates an incident in which King met in a > financial=20=20 >=20 > conference with Communist Party representatives, not > knowing that one=20=20 >=20 > of the participants was an infiltrator actually working for > the FBI. >=20 >=20 >=20 > J. Edgar Hoover personally saw to it that documented > information on=20=20 >=20 > King's Communist connections was provided to the > President and to=20=20 >=20 > Congress. And conclusive information from FBI files was > also provided=20=20 >=20 > to major newspapers and news wire services. But were the > American=20=20 >=20 > people informed of King's real nature? No, for even in > the 1960s, the=20=20 >=20 > fix was in "the controlled media and the bought > politicians were=20=20 >=20 > bound and determined to push their racial mixing program on > America.=20=20 >=20 > King was their man and nothing was going to get in their > way. With a=20=20 >=20 > few minor exceptions, these facts have been kept from the > American=20=20 >=20 > people. The pro-King propaganda machine grinds on, and it > is even=20=20 >=20 > reported that a serious proposal has been made to add some > of King's=20=20 >=20 > writings as a new book in the Bible. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Ladies and gentlemen, the purpose of this radio program is > far=20=20 >=20 > greater than to prove to you the immorality and subversion > of this=20=20 >=20 > man called King. I want you to start to think for > yourselves. I want=20=20 >=20 > you to consider this: What are the forces and motivation > behind the=20=20 >=20 > controlled media's active promotion of King? What does > it tell you=20=20 >=20 > about our politicians when you see them, almost without > exception,=20=20 >=20 > falling all over themselves to honor King as a national > hero? What=20=20 >=20 > does it tell you about our society when any public > criticism of this=20=20 >=20 > moral leper and Communist functionary is considered grounds > for=20=20 >=20 > dismissal? What does it tell you about the controlled media > when you=20=20 >=20 > see how they have successfully suppressed the truth and > held out a=20=20 >=20 > picture of King that can only be described as a colossal > lie? You=20=20 >=20 > need to think, my fellow Americans. You desperately need to > wake up. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 15:39:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88766 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 23:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2009 23:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.51) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 23:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2009 23:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2009 23:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2009 23:39:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 988342.44639.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 81700 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2009 23:39:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.220 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2009 23:39:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lkTJZKsVM1nYMl_gE.ZibMn7H1uYRk27Z0Y3KYPbpOEq6NSVlNX7wnCcY7Gxc3CJYfBHZhDlVcc7tq4Afzeavv4NyGIOqE1kRsh5FNMmsuViV.OtcIJk8P9rju9ac87bRl2rQAMR7gQUr9jWQ3GBYsPsk0mD8F3Fr1LLhixiZcnFWVqVFRmgnkxL96A- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <417145.21268.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <417145.21268.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <956C30A1-2FD7-497C-94D2-A5DAE324D12B@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:39:16 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Celebrating Dr. King, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=JyxZ9m2n-yIlBvxckqbmkCSznGQgXSHZrtbuc_VI5DOUs23ANQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Really I don't care if King was R or D or even won uh them commonists. I just like to yank Don's chain a little from time to time. I still do think that Republicans are Commonists and sexul deeveents. On Jan 19, 2009, at 5:31 PM, george russell wrote: > I am so awash in shock and confusion right now, after reading this, > that I hardly know where to start! From w6yn@juno.com Mon Jan 19 16:13:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93104 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 00:13:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 00:13:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 00:13:49 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABEZLF3EA6FHZDA for (sender ); Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:13:24 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD+pPKqiKF6EHP+VvMH1i8VQ= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N7BC7G6Y; Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:13:02 PST X-Received: from [99.129.209.181] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:12:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:12:09 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090119.161209.2560.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:260097720 X-MAIL-INFO:26f0744d203189203985e4a1b031bd94e11d991480b0d5d4 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Celebrating Dr. King, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=8kfVZEH2hf-tMjgy3Iu7TpUwq5KzXWxZhOlQKDcNVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn What was the Party of President Lyndon Johnson, who called Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. "that [N-word] preacher" because he opposed the Viet Nam W= ar; and President John F. Kennedy who voted against the 1957 Civil Rights law as a Senator, then as president opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. after becoming president and R= obert Kennedy had the FBI investigate Dr. King on suspicion of being a comm= unist? Huh? -- kevin redding wrote: Really I don't care if King was R or D or even won uh them commonists. I just like to yank Don's chain a little from time to time. I still do think that Republicans are Commonists and sexul deeveents. On Jan 19, 2009, at 5:31 PM, george russell wrote: > I am so awash in shock and confusion right now, after reading this,=20=20 > that I hardly know where to start! From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 16:29:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77958 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 00:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 00:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n66.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.50) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 00:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.84.144] by n66.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 00:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by t6.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 00:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.75.191] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 00:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp107.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 00:29:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 732106.41098.bm@omp107.mail.re1.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 91334 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 00:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.3?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.220 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 00:29:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kIAXWuIVM1msKnian.MdtTOgVu7fJKdJtbGbTUMy.LOUPpfjk749Ioh7wMpdyEKDAJGg6T_fIy9KmUsjuQm3SEIcwNHogKSVc4_4CTP8kjuVlDgTmb5w22i6gj02Wh6kHCc4ouCrsn.QP_UG3H1N1en2C3O7FXAHWCjkUeMHH6h9EjOGmyXeeTjL70Q- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20090119.161209.2560.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> References: <20090119.161209.2560.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:29:12 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Celebrating Dr. King, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=y9_R4gTi1fI5Y5jaeBmeVm43tKebQ8-Vov4R1XxeAcnaoGJeMw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jan 20, 2009, at 12:12 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > What was the Party of President Lyndon Johnson, who called Dr. Martin > Luther King, Jr. "that [N-word] preacher" because he opposed the > Viet Nam War; Back in that day the Democrats were as prejudiced as they come. In the south now its the Republicans who hate minorities. They just switched sides at half time. Johnson was the first piece of shit president from Texas. The other two pieces of shit presidents from Texas were named Bush. After King began to preach against the war, it must have been a bizarre coincidence that he was killed. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 19 21:56:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74581 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 05:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 05:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 05:56:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d57.17fdbd5c (14467) for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:56:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:56:25 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Celebrating Dr. King, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=SQ2ms2mL3RMl_JQVHyA_0T4BpMRGh2osmAh10S_B1ztMc6GZP1M_0QcntWOaZlMy X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/19/2009 5:20:25 PM Central Standard Time, w6yn@juno.com writes: > Does this mean Republicans are Communists and sex fiends? > > Pretty much. 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Edgar Hoover, my father to once passed along these gems of wisdom. 1. You can't polish a turd. Corrolary: You can't shine shit, either. 2. Don't trust a man in a dress. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bc d=DecemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 19 22:03:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25306 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 06:03:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 06:03:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 06:03:45 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c77.3fd0ecbe (14467) for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:03:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 01:03:40 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Celebrating Dr. King, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pstXwhtpQXGqCWGN8j3RzaXv74ykRZjw671Y12vvPqS8abJg6XGgjNrvyFoEJDNH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/19/2009 6:29:32 PM Central Standard Time, big_h00pla@yahoo.com writes: > The other two pieces of shit presidents from > Texas were named Bush. > Common, Kevin, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think about the Bushes: Bush the Elder and Shrub (which is bush that doesn't quite measure up). ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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Is it possible to record, as in minutes, without anything else? It has a line input. I have been doing some experiments with my transmitter feeding the Denon TU-680NAB through a 60 db pad. Encoding the analog signal using dbx Type 2, the undecoded output of the tuner sounds great. It's sort of that 60's AM strong sound without the breathing, noise, and distortion. Running the output of the tuner through decoding and the result is phenomenal. Every bit as good as most FM stations. I would like to document my experiments. MP3 just doesn't have the fidelity. I was thinking about the PC and recording the result on a DVD. My other option is modest price cassette deck from the early 80s assuming the rubber parts are still good. The cassette won't do the results justice, but I would be please to send out some sample tapes, especially to those who have dbx capability as some analog recorders used to have. I have a dbx-224X which is the consumer version of the dbx-140x. I am alittle disappointed in the bass of the 224X. The 140X is a broadcast version and goes all the way to the bottom of the audio range. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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(big_h00pla@75.120.203.220 with plain) by smtp106.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 15:17:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Aqf1ydIVM1nHv.bu5h9f_oZjAVh_vnGxuEGdyiZOM3yCz0f2I.ZuKUP72ywqqHlvLZgXa_Gb2zEeOf_N2igLflyvtjhzMXgzYdFSQNtoRRS9O.cYNMVlHYUzN9Hh64pq5bbgIiNj4LOELwYcrZDgXgTUtBtq2GembaBpNmJXWU.4ijpXTdcORCBhzAs4sqPHEECYy8ejLn7Ltd_DygjQJrj0Bg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:17:14 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Celebrating Dr. King, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=-aM0dXd0pJIRnTiWU9x5ZqcPEmpartk9oXzWzTMbRQjn4XZwaA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Jan 20, 2009, at 12:03 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Common, Kevin, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think > about the > Bushes: Bush the Elder and Shrub (which is bush that doesn't quite > measure up). I am more equal opportunity than most think. Remember I said the other Texas president, Johnson was a useless piece of shit too. Kevin, who was born in Dallas a long time ago From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 08:32:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69442 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 16:32:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 16:32:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 16:32:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 16:32:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 16:32:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:32:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.76 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Digital Recording on a PC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=CswAzkeUVbqgy12IHIuz3MFjCxoq2aMaE-wvhpPFexv6RDi1bg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I have an HP Vectra 400 PC with on-board sound. Is it possible to=20 record, as=20 > in minutes, without anything else? It has a line input. >=20 > I have been doing some experiments with my transmitter feeding the=20 Denon=20 > TU-680NAB through a 60 db pad. Encoding the analog signal using=20 dbx Type 2, the=20 > undecoded output of the tuner sounds great. It's sort of that=20 60's AM strong=20 > sound without the breathing, noise, and distortion. Running the=20 output of the=20 > tuner through decoding and the result is phenomenal. Every bit=20 as good as=20 > most FM stations. >=20=20=20 > I would like to document my experiments. MP3 just doesn't have=20 the fidelity.=20 > I was thinking about the PC and recording the result on a DVD. >=20 > My other option is modest price cassette deck from the early 80s=20 assuming the=20 > rubber parts are still good. The cassette won't do the results=20 justice, but=20 > I would be please to send out some sample tapes, especially to=20 those who have=20 > dbx capability as some analog recorders used to have. >=20 > I have a dbx-224X which is the consumer version of the dbx-140x.=20=20 I am=20 > alittle disappointed in the bass of the 224X. The 140X is a=20 broadcast version and=20 > goes all the way to the bottom of the audio range. >=20 > Mike >=20 Hi Mike!!! I'm sure you can record digital audio from any analog or digital=20 sound source connecting to your PC line input. The problems you'll find are: 1) Whatever the PC sound card you use, you need a good software to=20 record, edit and playback your wanted audio file. The Windows=20 SoundRecorder can do it but with a lot of limitations. I use "Cool=20 Edit Pro 2.0", but today it is "Adobe Audition 2.0" There are other=20 commercial products with some differents visual interfaces and menus=20 but, basically, it is the same. To record "in minutes" (as a timer),=20 you have to select that option from the record menu. You can to=20 record any amount of minutes (according to your hard disk free=20 space), from any specific time. 2) Most of the "on-board" sound cards don't have enough room. I=20 mean, their signal to noise ratio isn't the best. I advise you get a=20 more advance sound card (I have the Creative SoundBlaster Live! 5.1=20 and the Audigy models and both are so good in most of the specs even=20 they aren't professional level devices). 3) Whatever the analog audio source is, there is always some kind=20 of "hum" noise due to the very bad kind of ground connections of the=20 standard PCs. You can fix it with: (a) A very good ground to both=20 the PC audio card and your external audio source device, and (b) A=20 very good audio cable (with a good ground shield). 4) Some PC sound card line inputs have the bad habit to get some=20 induction noise (I don't know why) from the audio cable. That adds=20 some artificial harmonics series (for example: 1000, 2000, 4000,=20 8000, etc. Hz), sometimes at an audible level. You can eliminate it=20 with your audio software, but you will eliminate some part of the=20 original audio too. I guess the best solution here is to put a=20 toroidal magnet and coil, around the audio cable, at 1 inch from the=20 line input connector. Don't ask me how, but it works. As a personal taste, I don't use any kind of audio processing=20 between my analog audio sources (vinyl, tapes, mic mixer) and the PC=20 sound card. If I need some kind of audio processing, I do it all=20 with my audio software (Cool Edit pro 2.0). Any MP3 audio file will have some original audio lost. BUT, if you=20 use 15 KHZ audio bandwidth, at more than 192 Kbps rating, I sure you=20 the results will be "acceptable". The 15 KHZ audio bandwidth is due to the fact that 90% of the human=20 people CAN NOT distinguish between an audio source with or without=20 something above that frecuency. Yes, it is right some people can=20 hear up 20 KHZ, but only when you measure it with pure tones. In=20 a "normal" situation, with a lot of frecuencies at the same time,=20 the average top frecuencies are from 12 to 15 KHZ (in the best=20 cases). So, to record any above 15 KHZ is just a waste of data space. At last: IF SOMEBODY CAN GET FREE MUSIC FROM YOUTUBE, HARRY UP=20 BECAUSE YOUTUBE IS MUTING A LOT OF AUDIO TRACKS DUE TO THE=20 COPYRIGHTS!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 08:41:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18970 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 16:41:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 16:41:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 16:41:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 16:41:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 16:41:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:41:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.76 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A digital question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mAxb4RuwTkX7CR8x6TrinBnuXzqMywgOMoUy43LCcB1gt4-gnA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wanna know how good (or bad) is the terrestrial digital TV,=20 because I understand it is a reality today in USA. Is it enough strong and reliable as the standard analog NTSC? How kind of digital audio compression is used? How much reliable is the satellital digital radio system in a moving=20 car? The AM HD Radio (IBOC)... Is it growing in USA? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 20 10:43:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77476 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 18:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 18:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 18:43:37 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d65.2f063381 (29678) for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:43:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:43:27 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digital Recording on a PC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=TBayPzeUAyxO9z3LE0S3Nz9MqT6QSU976iNLjI3ifZS-VgPYSvnssqH2cRE_zP0r X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Juan. Do you have a HiFi cassette player? If so, I will send you a tape. The results are really quite good. Same goes for anyone else. I know something screwing is going on with YouTube. All my favorite songs started disappearing Sunday. Mike ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 20 10:54:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62641 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 18:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 18:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 18:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cd8.42f23c51 (29678) for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:53:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 13:53:58 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=9gyeuZJECpsa7J2z3lZB2rkuMByR5jsb1G3zLt1Wb1QlAVA9n539s_p6k3Rcl127 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I currently have digital cable TV. Prior to that, I had Directv which is satellite based digital TV. The picture quality is, in my opinion, as good as analog. The sound on the digital video channels is great, but the music channels suck. How reliable the Directv signal is depends alot on the installation. That is, how unobstructed the aperture to the satellite is and how much care was used to get the optimal signal and securing the dish. There is something call "rain fade". In severe rain, the signal will drop out. I went up to a 1 meter dish and an line amplifier and it would still drop out on occassion. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 11:40:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63676 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 19:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 19:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 19:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 19:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 19:40:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:40:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.97 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Digital Recording on a PC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=H1SyI2mdZXBzuBMvYRHzGM4kvdrixSFIaEf62v0VNugczPgzpA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Thanks, Juan. >=20 > Do you have a HiFi cassette player? If so, I will send you a=20 tape. The=20 > results are really quite good. Same goes for anyone else. >=20 > I know something screwing is going on with YouTube. All my=20 favorite songs=20 > started disappearing Sunday. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Yes, I have a very good cassette deck and I know we can get a=20 very "decent" sound from it. Even when I didn't use the digital=20 world, I could get a "decent" sound. The problems with the tapes are: 1) Time. As the time goes by, the sound changes. 2) Elasticity/Flexibility. Tapes become a dried thing and could be=20 broke with the machine force. 3) Velocity. It is impossible to get the original speed for more=20 than 10 years. 4) Audio lost in the copies. The background noise is more audible=20 with each new copy. 5) Azimuth. "THE" great tapes problem. How to get the right=20 alignment between the recording and playback heads, ALWAYS. 6) A once very good recording session, could become a very bad issue=20 because one or all the before points. The best cassette tape I ever used were Maxell Metal series. Reel tapes are more reliable than cassettes, of course. I love those=20 old Ampex reels!!! Unfortunately, it doesn't exist today. At last, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE VERY, VERY, VERY, GOOD SOUND=20 FROM THE 1960's, 1970's and part of 1980's SPECTACULAR MUSIC WAS=20 RECORDED IN 15 IPS ANALOG REEL TAPES!!! (Mostly Ampex tapes and=20 machines). And not all the CD versions of them reflect all the=20 original good quality. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 20 11:45:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92634 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 19:45:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 19:45:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 19:45:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 19:45:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2009 19:45:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:45:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.97 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=WalM5CxZNDCzxvDTP4HpYK3-_cGnaSEK2Vx7skNdxXLolxq1dQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I currently have digital cable TV. Prior to that, I had Directv=20 which is=20 > satellite based digital TV. The picture quality is, in my=20 opinion, as good as=20 > analog. The sound on the digital video channels is great, but the=20 music=20 > channels suck. >=20 > How reliable the Directv signal is depends alot on the=20 installation. That=20 > is, how unobstructed the aperture to the satellite is and how much=20 care was used=20 > to get the optimal signal and securing the dish. There is=20 something call=20 > "rain fade". In severe rain, the signal will drop out. I went up=20 to a 1 meter=20 > dish and an line amplifier and it would still drop out on=20 occassion.=20=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 I don't like the "pixelation" picture of the satellital digital TV=20 signal service I use, BUT... it is the only one I can get here.=20 Don't you think it's so fun when the scene has low light=20 illumination and you can see a lot of digital squares in your=20 screen? Hahahaha!!! And the music channels... I think my kids have more songs in their=20 MP3s than all of them!!! Hahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue Jan 20 13:44:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11504 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2009 21:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2009 21:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173009pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.9) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2009 21:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KDS00AZ6HILRFC1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:39:59 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:44:46 -0500 To: Message-id: <48A0C29A6FAA40A3BD7327C5174A20FE@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=sGHYIDf0M05DaDTlBDxHmEGMemJObEBm6-2ys8cipjUCJA X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here in Tampa, I have Dish TV, which is a satellite service. The picture is fine, and the menu formats are excellent. However, anytime a storm comes through, I lose the signal. It's very sensitive to stormy weather. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital question I currently have digital cable TV. Prior to that, I had Directv which is satellite based digital TV. The picture quality is, in my opinion, as good as analog. The sound on the digital video channels is great, but the music channels suck. How reliable the Directv signal is depends alot on the installation. That is, how unobstructed the aperture to the satellite is and how much care was used to get the optimal signal and securing the dish. There is something call "rain fade". In severe rain, the signal will drop out. I went up to a 1 meter dish and an line amplifier and it would still drop out on occassion. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jan 20 16:36:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56303 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2009 00:36:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2009 00:36:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2009 00:36:22 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.73] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090120183603002170200010.0) with SMTP id <20090120183603002170200010> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:36:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004701c97b60$e2019080$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:36:03 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} A programming question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=9LeYx9n12ImaUXPo8iOTvkAUaPWnhq0KtusFNeAMXhBBxcqNyZ_O X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 3 AMs, one FM with some form of Mexican music. Even some rather small mark= ets like Storm Lake Iowa have one or more Mexican-oriented stations. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: {AMSF} A programming question Hi Gang!!! As you know, in the Latin America radio world there are a lot of=20 stations with, still, a lot of music. We have tropical dance music=20 (cumbia, merengue, cha-cha-cha, salsa, etc.), folkloric music (from=20 each country) and international pop, rock, etc. music (specifically=20 from USA and West Europe). So, in a country like my country (CHile) we can find a lot of=20 english music (USA mostly) in the today radio (mostly FM) stations.=20 And it has an important amount of listeners. I wanna know if inside USA there are stations with spanish music. Or=20 Do you have only english music format? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jan 20 16:40:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38783 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2009 00:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2009 00:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2009 00:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.73] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090120184010002677800010.0) with SMTP id <20090120184010002677800010> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:40:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008301c97b61$76ac0940$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:40:10 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=llcjjO0o4lQx_8DJ7bN4NL9Gg8tH_fnpT1PeFiVOh6nbBZDAtSef X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My guess would be the digital compression. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I had a car rental with XM. I don't know what it is, but there is something irritating about it. I don't mean the programming but rather something about the signal processing and transmission. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jan 20 16:46:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69087 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2009 00:46:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2009 00:46:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2009 00:46:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.73] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090120184609000186200010.0) with SMTP id <20090120184609000186200010> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:46:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00cf01c97b62$4b89bfe0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:46:09 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Recording on a PC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=8MdWrdpv4TijYBW06WywKz0hQD8Ymg-1Wi9pr5XFsAnkMSbK5Ies X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't know what you mean by "Is it possible to record, as in minutes, without anything else?" but if you record your audio as a .wav file rather than any flavor of mp3 you'll have full fidelity with no compression. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I have an HP Vectra 400 PC with on-board sound. Is it possible to record, as in minutes, without anything else? It has a line input. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From thepossumhunter@gmail.com Tue Jan 20 17:01:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: thepossumhunter@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95871 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2009 01:01:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2009 01:01:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f14.google.com) (209.85.217.14) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2009 01:01:14 -0000 X-Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so565581gxk.8 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:01:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.156.6 with SMTP id i6mr15523235ybo.204.1232499674251; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:01:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.88.51.71.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.88.51.71.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.88.51.71]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k49sm14137745rnd.13.2009.01.20.17.01.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:01:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 20:00:58 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Possum Hunter Subject: Re: {AMSF} A digital question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=325628972; y=OatHBKnHOUWPpTicRrjkDrVsx873h78MjkFTkp1yzQZLZ9g2lit6E1UrPPzKGg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 20, 2009, at 11:41 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > I wanna know how good (or bad) is the terrestrial digital TV, > because I understand it is a reality today in USA. > > Is it enough strong and reliable as the standard analog NTSC? Yes and No. It requires less power to transmit, but must have a near perfect noise-free signal to the receiver to work. > How kind of digital audio compression is used? I am not sure, but you do NOT see the compression artifacts like you do with Digital Satellite TV. > How much reliable is the satellital digital radio system in a moving > car? Better than terrestrial FM. > The AM HD Radio (IBOC)... Is it growing in USA? No, many stations that were using it are turning it off. Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jan 20 17:12:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21658 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2009 01:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2009 01:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2009 01:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.73] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090120191208000112300010.0) with SMTP id <20090120191208000112300010> for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:12:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012901c97b65$edf46520$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:12:08 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Celebrating Dr. King, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ldbf_yUA_j5rIqvOYjedMge_VYKmZH_cbypXoeX6awlQ35aMSeQh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're going to end up being investigated by the thought-crimes police for being anti-transgender... Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 2. Don't trust a man in a dress. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 20 22:52:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92317 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2009 06:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2009 06:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2009 06:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d63.28d07994 (32915) for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 01:52:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 01:52:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Recording on a PC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zJeg-kjJAHnKseX3u6Q7E2D159ZteO7oiGhpSOX0O5vBSsfgoQZZemOmPeAvnMKj X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For reasons I do not understand, it assigns a maximum length of 60 seconds to the recording. I can find anything to change that. Mike ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 20 23:04:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66353 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2009 07:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2009 07:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2009 07:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d24.3eef7aa1 (32915) for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:04:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:04:38 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digital Recording on a PC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=OypImh8TewEtHARdIkjhZhi_GwuIIxdkNd71JdLqSxS4Dyk6BJchr5PzA0s2RPDt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, You're, right. My cassette deck does not have the correct speed. The tapes I make on it don't sound right in the car. I will try to make a CD-R with wav files. Keep in mind, I have a mediocre sound card. A professional sound card with 600 ohm balanced inputs and outputs would be better. However, my dbx 224X can't drive 600 ohm loads. I need 140X to do that. Interesting enough, Type II dbx adds pre-emphasis which seems to pretty well match the AMAX curve. Mike ************** Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital.(http://www.aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 05:45:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33371 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2009 13:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2009 13:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2009 13:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2009 13:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2009 13:45:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:45:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.235 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digital Recording on a PC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=QONpfutkum1NrzPxRefMpZEINMz1Gs1_uwcBXdP46YnBpg2PIA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > For reasons I do not understand, it assigns a maximum length of 60=20 seconds to=20 > the recording. I can find anything to change that. >=20 > Mike >=20 I guess you're talking about the Windows SoundRecorder. Yes, you're=20 absolutely right: it records only 60 seconds per time as a default=20 behaviour. You can fix it putting your hands in the infamous Windows=20 Register, but I don't advice you do it (because if you made a little=20 mistake, you could lose your PC; the infamous Windows Register is a=20 very dangerous thing). In one of the Windows Discussion Groups (in the Web), I found the=20 following answer to your problem: "That being said, if you don't want to go to the expense of a "real"=20 audio recording and editing program such as Sony Soundforge or Adobe=20 Audition, you might want to consider downloading the freeware audio=20 editing program "Audacity" from http://audacity.sourceforge.net/. ;=20 It's a very full-featured, easy to learn audio workstation capable=20 of fully professional results and will be far, far superior to the=20 little Sound Recorder applet (and it's completely free)." But I advice you to try to get Cool Edit Pro 2.0 or the new version=20 Adobe Audition. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 21 06:17:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11076 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2009 14:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2009 14:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2009 14:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2009 14:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2009 14:17:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:17:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.28 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Digital Recording on a PC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=xcevVle56cZkwP9vFc2Hn22BsJ4LhCMAwBo_T6vH5Pdr8HUCEw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > You're, right. My cassette deck does not have the correct speed.=20=20 The tapes=20 > I make on it don't sound right in the car. >=20 I used to have the same problem. The only one way to fix it is: 1) Buy an standard central A (440 HZ) musical diapason. 2) Record a 440 HZ pure tone in a tape, in your home cassette deck. 3) Open your car cassette player and look for the motor speed=20 control. 4) Play the tone in your car player. 5) Take your diapason and put it close to the car speaker. 6) Adjust the speed control until your diapason vibrates and sounds=20 with the tape tone. You'll get the correct speed this way. Well, if you know how to play any musical instrument (a guitar, a=20 flute, etc.), you can compare the tape tone with the instrument tone=20 (assuming the instrument is on the right pitch, of course). > I will try to make a CD-R with wav files. Keep in mind, I have a=20 mediocre=20 > sound card. A professional sound card with 600 ohm balanced=20 inputs and outputs=20 > would be better. However, my dbx 224X can't drive 600 ohm loads.=20=20 I need 140X=20 > to do that. >=20 My Creative SoundBlaster and Audigy sound cards aren't "pro" level=20 cards and don't have 600 ohms in/out connectors but I get a very=20 decent sound, with more than 80 DBS signal to noise ratio, from 20=20 to 20,000 HZ if I want (but I always cut the sound at 15 KHZ=20 because, I insist, it is a waste of digital data to save any above=20 it). You don't need a 600 ohms input/output to get "professional" audio.=20 Despite the way all "pro" devices have 600 ohms in/out connectors,=20 the fact is most of the audio loss due to the unmatching connections=20 are "tolerable" by the human hearing system. OK, OK, OK. To the purist scientific guys: I KNOW THE BEST IS TO=20 MATCH THE INPUT AND OUTPUT IMPEDANCE OF THE DEVICES. Yes, I know it.=20 But... when you have to use cheap devices (because you don't have=20 enough money to get full "pro" devices) and you connect, for=20 example, a 15 Kohms output to a 1 Kohms input, or a 600 ohms output=20 to a 15 Kohms input, and you hear it and you don't get any kind of=20 audible disturbing sound, with enough bass, mid and treble=20 frecuencies, then you understand there are cases and cases. > Interesting enough, Type II dbx adds pre-emphasis which seems to=20 pretty well=20 > match the AMAX curve. >=20 You can get any kind of pre/post equalization curve with the Cool=20 Edit Pro 2.0 scientific filters, and I guess with a high accuracy=20 line. However, I have a doubt about the AMAX curve: Is it largely used? Is=20 there some FCC rule about it? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 21 22:50:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68539 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2009 06:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2009 06:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp121.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.94) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2009 06:49:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45154 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2009 06:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i4j0t9) (jimsmith95650@75.26.22.112 with login) by smtp121.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2009 06:49:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AMP7k9sVM1n4uaW52LOS5dsN4cNYkhxOCjOyA4EM9VvBIEiP2KhjzMj4x_7ru4srLb01R.mLRp0ynHBDjOmddHPnzoBX4n5HIi8r_LELNbtB7zW71mLwRojejXOOCHyivK8xYeDkW.gR.1ijOHFq.yGPQaTuM9qjAdv5KCO9_rBXoHgIXjv3pGM6uq9WJtn44mrCLn.T4D7pTBNHjok7FDkaWR_BYJAMzZGa X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001101c97c5d$b7249300$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <353120.97377.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:50:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.94 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: AM HD with music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=xRPyAPXw49zYWfUDE79eLdTEuXozdhhPvp9oPuh1_ZtOacYgoGuJLu7oYw9MDhp7jctUcIce X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I want to revisit this message . I wanted to ask Jay did you find out that no one wanted music on the AM band by polling your listeners and also asking them if they wanted stereo or mono? Jim Smith NOR CAL ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:09 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: AM HD with music Sad to say but most people aren't used to hearing music on A.M. anymore. In fact the big broadcasters are trying to move talk to F.M. to attract younger listeners because their underperforming music stations just aren't doing the job anymore! A.M. "HD" is pointless. If I own a station, I'm not going to waste $25k giving that to iBiquity when I could just as easily light 250 $100 bills on fire! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (V31VQ renewal pending) --- On Sat, 1/17/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Subject: {AMSF} Fw: AM HD with music To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 2:15 AM ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@ sbcglobal. net To: amstereo@meduci. com Cc: jim smith Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:07 PM Subject: AM HD with music Hi Gang At one time some one said a few years ago that there would be more music on AM because of AM HD and I just went through a big list HD stations and there is only one that I have found that is AM HD music station and that is KKNX AM 840 Eugene Or formally a AM STEREO station. There web site still mentions that they went AM STEREO it dose not talk about HD radio but they are on the list. So music is still not coming very fast to AM because of to much money.That is really a same that money has to ruin it for the rest of us. MY local KAHI AM 950 mono station still plays music on the week ends I feel lucky about that .And there is another that play music 7 a week in Marysville ca called KUBA AM 1600 mono that I also feel lucky about that one to. Now if can just get them to go AM STEREO in better days some day that would be great. I have herd AM HD and I was not impressed on local KFBK AM HD 1530. It almost sounded like platform motion. Good night gang. Jim Smith NOR CAL OOPS I sent to the wrong mail box the first time . I hope Jeff enjoyed it [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 21 23:43:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27329 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2009 07:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2009 07:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2009 07:43:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cbd.3837753d (39952) for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:43:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:43:45 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Uhq8TjtTz9qKqbqpxIXetyOeKC2NSvImBRvzE-unaJb9wi5mxosEcWJpaa9LleCS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a 38 Mbyte WAV file of a dbx encoded AMS signal taken from the output my Denon TU-680NAB tuner through 25 hertz notch filters in left and right channel.interested. The transmitter is my ECL Engine Direct Phase to Amplitude Transmitter operating at 80 mW output on 1600 khz. The supply current to final drivers was adjusted to 16.5 mA at 6.05 V or 99.8 mW of DC input power without modulation, yielding an efficiency of around 80%. A 60 db 50 ohm pad was used at the input to tuner. The tuner input at 0% modulation was approximately 2 mVrms at the end of 50ft. of RG-8 coax and pad. The peak output voltage from the transmitter appeared to be around 6.2 volts on storage scope representing a peak envelope power of 770 mW or approximately 120% upward modulation. The entire digitized data file was scanned for absolute minimum and maximum and the polarity of the data was adjusted such the maximum peak occured in positive direction. The analog input to the ADC was then adjusted such that binary input code did not drop below the value representing 97% downward modulation. The tuner had to be relocated 50 ft. from the computer as it picked up EMI from the computer, monitor, and near field of the transmitter. The program material was digitized in offset binary, processed as indicated before, and burned into UV eproms which directly loaded the ECL Engine. This bypassed the internal analog signal conditioning and digitizer. So there was no brickwall filter nor AMAX pre-emphasis. The engine inputs two 16-bit words at 1/64 of the carrier frequency, or 25 ksamples per second. This isn't the most efficient method of encoding as one 5 minute song spanned 10 eproms. You would never make an iPod out of this arrangement. What is really amazing, if you happen to have dbx Type 2 decoder, is what this signal sounds like when it is decoded. It doesn't sound bad encoded, though not quite an Optimod. I don't know how to send a 38 Mbyte file. Does anyone know? Email attachment? I can send anyone interested CD-R if nothing else. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 23 14:08:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70700 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2009 22:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2009 22:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2009 22:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2009 22:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2009 22:08:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:08:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001101c97c5d$b7249300$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.159.21 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: AM HD with music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Y23ZqK8Rn0Qg3WEHluPDigwr1F2sIjW38TY2Ttz6QUfwfoZGnbQaFpoi3jIUnzyN8EjQ2lnq X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I want to revisit this message . I wanted to ask Jay did=20 you find out that no one wanted music on the AM band by polling your=20 listeners and also asking them if they wanted stereo or mono? Jim=20 Smith NOR CAL >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: JNR=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:09 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: AM HD with music >=20 >=20 > Sad to say but most people aren't used to hearing music on A.M.=20 anymore. In fact the big broadcasters are trying to move talk to=20 F.M. to attract younger listeners because their underperforming music=20 stations just aren't doing the job anymore! >=20 > A.M. "HD" is pointless. If I own a station, I'm not going to=20 waste $25k giving that to iBiquity when I could just as easily light=20 250 $100 bills on fire! >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (V31VQ renewal pending) >=20 > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, jimsmith95650@... wrote: > From: jimsmith95650@... > Subject: {AMSF} Fw: AM HD with music > To: "am stereo forum" > Cc: "jim smith" > Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 2:15 AM >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 >=20 > From: jimsmith95650@ sbcglobal. net=20 >=20 > To: amstereo@meduci. com=20 >=20 > Cc: jim smith=20 >=20 > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:07 PM >=20 > Subject: AM HD with music >=20 > Hi Gang At one time some one said a few years ago that there=20 would be more music on AM because of AM HD and I just went through a=20 big list HD stations and there is only one that I have found that is=20 AM HD music station and that is KKNX AM 840 Eugene Or formally a AM=20 STEREO station. There web site still mentions that they went AM=20 STEREO it dose not talk about HD radio but they are on the list. So=20 music is still not coming very fast to AM because of to much=20 money.That is really a same that money has to ruin it for the rest of=20 us. MY local KAHI AM 950 mono station still plays music on the week=20 ends I feel lucky about that .And there is another that play music 7=20 a week in Marysville ca called KUBA AM 1600 mono that I also feel=20 lucky about that one to. Now if can just get them to go AM STEREO in=20 better days some day that would be great. I have herd AM HD and I was=20 not impressed on local KFBK AM HD 1530. It almost sounded like=20 platform motion. Good > night gang. Jim Smith NOR CAL OOPS I sent to the wrong mail box=20 the first time . I hope Jeff enjoyed it >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang I see. I had the same responce when I said that to poll there listeners at local station KAHI AM 950 Auburn Ca. Thay said thay=20 can't aford to play music all the time any more and thay are losing=20 listeners with there talk format insted of there music format thay=20 had all the time insted of just on the weekends. It seems like they=20 where making more money with there music format. Jim Smith NOR CAL From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jan 24 08:25:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90919 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2009 16:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2009 16:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2009 16:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2009 16:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2009 16:25:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:25:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.178 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=M0H7ar3e_4vWkiK3QgbI7B7H-1xn3z2lK1KR0f2MskgnGppnDg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I have a 38 Mbyte WAV file of a dbx encoded AMS signal taken from=20 the output=20 > my Denon TU-680NAB tuner through 25 hertz notch filters in left=20 and right=20 > channel.interested.=20=20 >=20 > The transmitter is my ECL Engine Direct Phase to Amplitude=20 Transmitter=20 > operating at 80 mW output on 1600 khz. The supply current to=20 final drivers was=20 > adjusted to 16.5 mA at 6.05 V or 99.8 mW of DC input power without=20 modulation,=20 > yielding an efficiency of around 80%. A 60 db 50 ohm pad was used=20 at the input=20 > to tuner. The tuner input at 0% modulation was approximately 2=20 mVrms at the=20 > end of 50ft. of RG-8 coax and pad. The peak output voltage from=20 the transmitter=20 > appeared to be around 6.2 volts on storage scope representing a=20 peak envelope=20 > power of 770 mW or approximately 120% upward modulation. The=20 entire=20 > digitized data file was scanned for absolute minimum and maximum=20 and the polarity of=20 > the data was adjusted such the maximum peak occured in positive=20 direction.=20=20 > The analog input to the ADC was then adjusted such that binary=20 input code did=20 > not drop below the value representing 97% downward modulation.=20 >=20 >=20 > The tuner had to be relocated 50 ft. from the computer as it=20 picked up EMI=20 > from the computer, monitor, and near field of the transmitter.=20=20 The program=20 > material was digitized in offset binary, processed as indicated=20 before, and burned=20 > into UV eproms which directly loaded the ECL Engine. This=20 bypassed the=20 > internal analog signal conditioning and digitizer. So there was=20 no brickwall=20 > filter nor AMAX pre-emphasis. The engine inputs two 16-bit words=20 at 1/64 of the=20 > carrier frequency, or 25 ksamples per second. This isn't the most=20 efficient=20 > method of encoding as one 5 minute song spanned 10 eproms. You=20 would never make=20 > an iPod out of this arrangement. >=20 > What is really amazing, if you happen to have dbx Type 2 decoder,=20 is what=20 > this signal sounds like when it is decoded. It doesn't sound bad=20 encoded, though=20 > not quite an Optimod. >=20 > I don't know how to send a 38 Mbyte file. Does anyone know?=20=20 Email=20 > attachment? I can send anyone interested CD-R if nothing else. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hi, Mike!!! You just have to put your wav file into the Files Menu at the left=20 of this forum (the option below the [Post] option). By the way, I guess the induction is about a bad ground and/or=20 aerial connection. I have a tuner 50 cms (19 inches) from my PC and=20 I can record any audio signal (AM/SW/FM) without any kind of=20 noise/interference between the PC and the tuner. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 24 11:53:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37495 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2009 19:53:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2009 19:53:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2009 19:53:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c33.48183eaa (29673); Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:53:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:53:32 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: MJGRANT@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=R-osYUNsGKktWzi9YqZkOHdXd09akA5gEytb9IR4nlgD57ZPMJKIhu2G_nFjNPJD X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I don't have the antenna loop for the TU-680 (if anyone knows the part number and where I can get one, please let me know), so I went directly into the external antenna inputs from a 60 dB 50 ohm pad. I needed to shunt the input somewhat to get the load to the pad correct. Apparently, the antenna loop is resonant as the bandwidth of the tuner appears to be somewhat wider without it. I had a 50ft. RG-8 cable already terminated, so I just used it. The transmitter uses all sorts of internal frequencies, all fast rise time, from 25 hz to almost a gigahertz. It is not well shielded. There are two files. One is the raw dbx encoded signal out of the tuner run through two breadboarded 25 hz notch filters. The notch filters make no audible difference but let me get a cheaner signal on the scope. The notch filters reduce the residual pilot to below the noise floor. The other file is a straight recording with no dbx encoding or other signal processing. One file is 38 Mb and the other is 33 Mb. Yahoo doesn't allow uploaded files that big. Zipping the files didn't significantly reduce their size. At Paul's suggestion, I uploaded them to a site called: http://www14.sendthisfile.com It's free. If you sign up for an account, I think I can transfer them to you. I am hoping someone with a dbx Type 2 decoder will listen to the raw air tape through the decoder. It is actually pretty amazing. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 24 17:16:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68216 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2009 01:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2009 01:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2009 01:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c21.41574ee1 (30739) for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:16:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 20:16:40 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5iq7n4qD0kdUpJqITMkm1r2boeodgH6SZewyaFkWQGR1_Tnx9eOgr6VpWbKyTBHE X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan (and others), Gmail will allow a 20 megabyte attachment. The first 2 minutes is about 14 megabytes. If you have a Gmail account, I can mail it to you. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Jan 25 14:03:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15678 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2009 22:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2009 22:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2009 22:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2009 22:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.100] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2009 22:03:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:03:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.90 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BpooN3HROVoIn-yZG24iqkpM_A_4urWxDzjDgBm2cEDSKMDgXA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan (and others), >=20 > Gmail will allow a 20 megabyte attachment. The first 2 minutes is=20 about 14=20 > megabytes. If you have a Gmail account, I can mail it to you. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Why don't you convert the "*.wav" file into an standard MP3 file? You can convert the wav audio file into Windows Media Audio format,=20 too. You can do it whith the Windows Media Player. I prefer MP3 (with a minimum of 128 Kbps), because it can be read in=20 any audio software. By the way, Why don't you make a "home-made antenna" to your tuner?=20 Any kind of cooper cable (with plastic cover) can be used. You just=20 need some cylindric object, 5 to 10 cms (2 to 4 inches) diameter, to=20 coil the cable (I guess 10 or 15 turns). You don't need to build an=20 exactly resonant aerial; you just need some object that acts as an=20 aerial (because your transmitter is enough near you). Try it. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 25 18:26:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75832 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2009 02:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2009 02:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.185) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2009 02:26:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15296 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2009 02:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i4j0t9) (jimsmith95650@75.31.53.36 with login) by smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2009 02:26:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000c01c97f5d$a45fd600$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:27:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Sony SRF A300 AMAX ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=r0ooUIptnAKbIw9E-FYZe9kYwwYuayfEU8Q3zyIpR1EdR0A3IAJYYxGqhawyrgnNAJ5vQo50 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Wow !!! I guess I hit on a forbidden topic on asking what the listeners want. Any way more on topic dose any one know if the SONY SRF A300 is near AMAX quality? Thanks for your time . Jim Smith Nor Cal [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 26 01:13:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36228 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2009 09:13:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2009 09:13:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.187) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2009 09:13:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82683 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2009 09:13:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i4j0t9) (jimsmith95650@71.155.147.128 with login) by smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2009 09:13:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7FnmMd4VM1lXCHcWptp_JyKscVhgPLmIz.XHXzhjPh9TvjDm7mt72j_QKQ15AKTbrTfuykAr5DaRIlSz8GKbEfdEtBR.I6zAldZmo91Ez3c_AwNwx.TOrrn2rXt7iFvCf0fOcPpP214BFX7nPZK6mNaZTIYq8O9lKR9hdUHMbLrNy2IelKxmfomjPpZikkNb9A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000a01c97f96$8078eb80$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:14:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=1dlHb6rs6ztzvWz8vhsUIwZpNcygGmAekxJ6PWpfnyt_-IomYh-xYQJKA2T7jtjRpXQFCidO X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang This is my last time for now on this topic unless some one wants to talk about. Asking what the listeners want really works. My local Sacramento Ca station KSEG 96.9 FM plays classic rock and one day one of the DJ's said that they where going down in flames. And there play list was from 1985 to about 1993. And he said we don't know why we are dying. So I e-mailed them and said when you do request they are older than your normal play list and there is a lot more 40 50 and 60 year old people than you think out in the world.So I also said to them if you want to know what we want just ask us. So a few days later a DJ thought it was a joke and he read my e-mail over the air. And a few days later one of the DJ's said the resonse was unbelievable and he thank the man from Penryn Ca and now there ratings are a lot better. If you don't believe me ask them on there web site. Asking us what we want really dose work!!!!! Cool a guys. Jim Smith NOR CAL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 06:15:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29947 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2009 14:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2009 14:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2009 14:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 14:15:12 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.230] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 14:15:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:15:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c97f96$8078eb80$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.177 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=qkUNBhhHc42CqCa7i83K6bA-boUvsaoU0cY1RY_cyxipwb3hhg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang This is my last time for now on this topic unless some one=20 wants to talk about. Asking what the listeners want really works. My=20 local Sacramento Ca station KSEG 96.9 FM plays classic rock and one=20 day one of the DJ's said that they where going down in flames.=20 > And there play list was from 1985 to about 1993. And he said we=20 don't know why we are dying. So I e-mailed them and said when you do=20 request they are older than your normal play list and there is a=20 lot more 40 50 and 60 year old people than you think out in the=20 world.So I also said to them if you want to know what we want just=20 ask us. So a few days later a DJ thought it was a joke and he read=20 my e-mail over the air. And a few days later one of the DJ's said=20 the resonse was unbelievable and he thank the man from Penryn Ca and=20 now there ratings are a lot better. If you don't believe me ask=20 them on there web site. Asking us what we want really dose work!!!!!=20 Cool a guys. Jim Smith NOR CAL >=20 I'm not an expert in this issue, but I guess a lot of stupid office=20 young men (advertising executives) decided, time ago, to kill the=20 radio industry and broadcast just the music they like. Any other=20 kind of music they put away the air. I'm sure the music, any kind of music, is the only real solution to=20 put the radio world into the listener ears, again. Of course, the best solution is =3D MUSIC + outstanding stereo quality=20 AM tuners. The great problem is... HOW TO FIGHT AGAINST THE MUSIC MAFIA? I mean, How the radio stations could get TO NOT PAY the today music=20 taxes. Just a dream for now. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 26 10:44:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47589 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2009 18:44:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2009 18:44:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2009 18:44:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 18:44:50 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 18:44:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:44:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.16.135.246 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=8xkH3So0_ZukSe_8RfotKNqvEnOiZyb8pKS2-uswT0VQsrqKXhFEpJmEvSTSV-ZwkLzTepZR X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Gang This is my last time for now on this topic unless some=20 one=20 > wants to talk about. Asking what the listeners want really works.=20 My=20 > local Sacramento Ca station KSEG 96.9 FM plays classic rock and one=20 > day one of the DJ's said that they where going down in flames.=20 > > And there play list was from 1985 to about 1993. And he said we=20 > don't know why we are dying. So I e-mailed them and said when you=20 do=20 > request they are older than your normal play list and there is a=20 > lot more 40 50 and 60 year old people than you think out in the=20 > world.So I also said to them if you want to know what we want just=20 > ask us. So a few days later a DJ thought it was a joke and he read=20 > my e-mail over the air. And a few days later one of the DJ's said=20 > the resonse was unbelievable and he thank the man from Penryn Ca=20 and=20 > now there ratings are a lot better. If you don't believe me ask=20 > them on there web site. Asking us what we want really dose=20 work!!!!!=20 > Cool a guys. Jim Smith NOR CAL > >=20 >=20 > I'm not an expert in this issue, but I guess a lot of stupid office=20 > young men (advertising executives) decided, time ago, to kill the=20 > radio industry and broadcast just the music they like. Any other=20 > kind of music they put away the air. >=20 > I'm sure the music, any kind of music, is the only real solution to=20 > put the radio world into the listener ears, again. >=20 > Of course, the best solution is =3D MUSIC + outstanding stereo=20 quality=20 > AM tuners. >=20 > The great problem is... HOW TO FIGHT AGAINST THE MUSIC MAFIA? >=20 > I mean, How the radio stations could get TO NOT PAY the today music=20 > taxes. >=20 > Just a dream for now. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Gang I see one man was'nt a frade of talking about this. A few=20 men or women ruen it for the rest of us. Now I was also asking=20 weather we want talk or music on the AM band not just diffrant=20 formats of talk wich perty much sounds the same to me. At one time I=20 use to love listening to AM at night for diffrant music formats. Now=20 to all sounds the same. Jim Smith NOR CAL From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 26 13:24:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75905 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2009 21:24:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2009 21:24:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2009 21:24:56 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c71.3e18d3dc (29672) for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:24:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:24:54 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=bl5Cqdjfs8bne54MYGgPhfCqd_7Uh7cLe3GXZ6KYtADS0odN_ABSVXkqBQAACNbn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, An MP3 file is not a true artifact of the original. Audibly, it may *sound* satisfactory, but it isn't good enough to do measurements on. As for the TU-680NAB antenna, it is part of a resonant circuit, so it must have a precise inductance and Q. As I don't know what either of those have to be, it's hard to construct a substitute. Just "forcing" the input from a low impedance seems to give the tuner a much wider than spec'd bandwidth. That's alright for a closed circuit, but I don't know how it would perform IRL with weaker signals and interference. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 15:52:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14491 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2009 23:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2009 23:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2009 23:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 23:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 23:51:59 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:51:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.27 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=GfX7v9r8K8BV8FUuyEgqbakvEehUszY7RkokdDrOzdBE6T_s_A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > An MP3 file is not a true artifact of the original. Audibly, it=20 may *sound*=20 > satisfactory, but it isn't good enough to do measurements on. >=20 > As for the TU-680NAB antenna, it is part of a resonant circuit, so=20 it must=20 > have a precise inductance and Q. As I don't know what either of=20 those have to=20 > be, it's hard to construct a substitute. Just "forcing" the input=20 from a low=20 > impedance seems to give the tuner a much wider than spec'd=20 bandwidth. That's=20 > alright for a closed circuit, but I don't know how it would=20 perform IRL with=20 > weaker signals and interference. >=20 > Mike >=20 I could be wrong but I understand the TU-680NAB has an external=20 aerial connector to AM. So, if you want to hear DX, you need=20 an "external aerial". I mean, a very higher vertical tower, outside=20 your house, with at least 20 meters (65 feet) long and some kind of=20 coil to match the tuner impedance. However, it isn't a critical factor. I connect a vertical VHF=20 antenna (145 MHZ) to my Sony tuner and I can hear a lot of MW/SW/FM=20 stations here. By the way, the impedance of this aerial is 50 ohms=20 in the 145 MHZ band; I guess that impedance is so, so different at=20 MW/SW band... BUT IT WORKS!!! I know MP3 files aren't the true original sound but... it's the only=20 way to share it here. I try to not use Hotmail, GMail or Google, because there are a lot=20 of hackers trying to bother you on this pages. Yahoo is more safely.=20 Of course, any guy who wants to use Internet, must have a very good=20 Firewall and AntiVirus software ALL THE TIME. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 15:56:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36091 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2009 23:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2009 23:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2009 23:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 23:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.230] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 23:56:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:56:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.27 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=p8hv5tSf_JliTWPAeSRuDlTZNxU1i5ksfRPxZA0c5OjnKXoLNg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@..."=20 wrote: > > Hi Gang I see one man was'nt a frade of talking about this. A=20 few=20 > men or women ruen it for the rest of us. Now I was also asking=20 > weather we want talk or music on the AM band not just diffrant=20 > formats of talk wich perty much sounds the same to me. At one time=20 I=20 > use to love listening to AM at night for diffrant music formats.=20 Now=20 > to all sounds the same. Jim Smith NOR CAL > Hey Jim!!! WE NEED A REAL REVOLUTION HERE!!! WE NEED TO CONVINCE THE AM RADIO STATION OWNERS TO GET BACK TO THE=20 MUSIC, NOW!!! AND, most important part of the problem, WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THE=20 MUSIC RIGHTS AND TAXES!!!!!!! The question is... HOW CAN WE GET IT? ??? Some idea? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 26 17:56:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30139 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 01:56:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 01:56:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 01:56:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 01:56:08 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.228] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 01:56:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:56:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.53.180 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=UehLfIv0ipmbVMjeRGE8bn4VNR0OOyyMe5dKTaVQWiEjCtqS7vXBygWlJ9QWKpXNAvNxm_Vr X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@"=20 > wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I see one man was'nt a frade of talking about this. A=20 > few=20 > > men or women ruen it for the rest of us. Now I was also asking=20 > > weather we want talk or music on the AM band not just diffrant=20 > > formats of talk wich perty much sounds the same to me. At one=20 time=20 > I=20 > > use to love listening to AM at night for diffrant music formats.=20 > Now=20 > > to all sounds the same. Jim Smith NOR CAL > > >=20 > Hey Jim!!! >=20 > WE NEED A REAL REVOLUTION HERE!!! >=20 > WE NEED TO CONVINCE THE AM RADIO STATION OWNERS TO GET BACK TO THE=20 > MUSIC, NOW!!! >=20 > AND, most important part of the problem, WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THE=20 > MUSIC RIGHTS AND TAXES!!!!!!! >=20 > The question is... >=20 > HOW CAN WE GET IT? >=20 > ??? >=20 > Some idea? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Jaun I do not know how. I understand that the mustions need to=20 get payed for there work. I thank its more the there companys that=20 they worked for. I wish thoughs guy would cut back on there taxs.=20 Jim Smith NOR CAL From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 26 19:12:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42006 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 03:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 03:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 03:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cc5.4bcb998c (39331) for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:12:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:12:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=3KqOcIenZgxq97eJ7qT49MsSZWnUr9UJn2aeXEMzCqb2Ol0hQuZo6BOFxjR0saIs X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Believe it or not, Top 40 formats were very well thought out. There was alot of effort, expertise, and research which went into their rotations and program content. It may have appeared spotaneous and free-wheeling, but it was anything but. The craft was to make it *appear* that way. In my opinion, the reason so-called Adult Contemporary stations fail is they try to be juke boxes. That's not radio. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 26 19:22:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26643 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 03:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 03:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 03:22:19 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c52.44b0425e (39331) for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:21:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:21:55 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cIflXmSvMXZuB2ii17W1_MUz6COApTSbKWuXsX8QN7FeXPTqpn_WP2LK8vuFhmQm X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/26/2009 12:45:20 PM Central Standard Time, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net writes: > At one time I > use to love listening to AM at night for diffrant music formats. Now > to all sounds the same. Jim Smith NOR CAL > Amen, Jim. Like you, I used to listen to lots of clear channel stations, as each would have their own "flavor". Nowadays, it's Hannity, Levin, Savage all across the dial. Forget bringing back the Fairness Doctrine, mandate local content. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 26 19:33:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77859 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 03:33:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 03:33:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m24.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.5) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 03:33:44 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d2f.375862f2 (39331) for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:33:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:33:23 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=GRnK3jbJEin8Xdw8AOeisTcdkV9iwO1-S51HqAIfoPiP2cxZUk1G9bhy-GgfQzz1 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I was thinking about a large tuned AM loop (3m diagonal) on a tower with a 50 ohm buffer at the antenna to drive the coax. The self contained loop on the TU-680 must be part of a tuned circuit, unless Denon was really conservative on its AM bandwidth. Like Paul has suggested, I am afraid making a MP3 might be the last straw in overprocessing a signal. As it is now, the CD PCM is converted to analog which is dbx processed which drives a digitizer which supplies the input to transmitter which coverts it to analog phase information which generates the analog AMS signal which is received by the tuner which is digitized into a WAV file. It's a wonder anything is let in the end as it as, let alone putting it through the MP3 algorithm. The is a send a file site I can send you the file if you like. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 26 19:33:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74777 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 03:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 03:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 03:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 03:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 03:33:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:33:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.53.180 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=FGZE96xrXlN-19xc5ua_BcENWauE-q5VLBFW0xTCuAhZKVT0WlM4AJQhhMfjCek_M1VFtFXD X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Believe it or not, Top 40 formats were very well thought out.=20=20 There was alot=20 > of effort, expertise, and research which went into their rotations=20 and=20 > program content. It may have appeared spotaneous and free- wheeling, but it was=20 > anything but. The craft was to make it *appear* that way. >=20 > In my opinion, the reason so-called Adult Contemporary stations=20 fail is they=20 > try to be juke boxes. That's not radio. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between,=20 > stay up-to-date with the latest news.=20 > (http://aol.com?ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000023) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi I understand about what you said about top 40. Well thought out=20 and exacuted. About that was than and this is now. About failing=20 stations I all ready said about a station that was failing on FM thay=20 took my sajestion and ask the listeners for help and they have been=20 doing much better ever sense. So if one station can do that all=20 stations can do that with out exsusas. I would love to be contacted=20 by one of my AM locals. Jim Smith NOR CAL From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 26 19:35:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81848 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 03:35:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 03:35:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 03:35:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cef.4d23b4ce (39331) for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:35:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:35:35 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=MRzWXV-LqdchH0zcL9mH3qd0CVqJ-TTsK1B9QjeORkyKe5Kt1txAxoKg8uHcn_91 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a certain irony. When the music licenses were worth something back in the days of Top 40, the record companies gave them away just to get their records played. Now that music licenses aren't worth dirt, music companies have become the bandits of the airwaves. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 19:40:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30988 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 03:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 03:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 03:40:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74565 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2009 03:40:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QnDkll0VM1nhJWMNwYhy2mSV67439mvVucpvS1NW1IQZ.C6d3CrBVHTNhUWCcXmUfiwkviQ9FDuBcDqP58DMEjvaGtUQpeZIAmtwYeyUCIbIuSILXih6VPwTWqy22MxU0Hr5ceFwrOw9FEjoZIKxztgDUK4Bvbtz1PNBCi_HXBglKKib1kuYH5jhjvTJlQn240vPgjO9iU.rujFum5mMw3SlHfIJ0kY.TX6iahsu_.IU3yX.6uzK0ud797mB_yM0t.ZWz_JXHl5154MRDoHHhCeH X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:40:26 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:40:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <209410.55888.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tYk-tTLwHKTCWPdGzwfwt80p-GpkmVZA5M8XiEKPbuXZRw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 AMEN! The T40 was both a science and an art, and one that obviously worked= well...and probably STILL would, if only some PD had the guts to try it ag= ain. G (Drake lives!) --- On Mon, 1/26/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:12 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Believe it or not, Top 40 formats were very > well thought out. There was alot=20 >=20 > of effort, expertise, and research which went into their > rotations and=20 >=20 > program content. It may have appeared spotaneous and > free-wheeling, but it was=20 >=20 > anything but. The craft was to make it *appear* that way. >=20 >=20 >=20 > In my opinion, the reason so-called Adult Contemporary > stations fail is they=20 >=20 > try to be juke boxes. That's not radio. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************ ** >=20 > From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, >=20 >=20 > stay up-to-date with the latest news.=20 >=20 > (http://aol.com? > ncid=3Demlcntaolco m00000023) >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 26 19:42:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42033 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 03:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 03:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 03:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 03:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.200] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 03:42:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:42:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.53.180 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=wyY_ZQCHkW8igLQh8GP8NkdLV99cQHcoRGT537znTbpr4krWMtXQWzVvfZKa6qnXotEm1zmP X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/26/2009 12:45:20 PM Central Standard Time,=20 > jimsmith95650@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > At one time I=20 > > use to love listening to AM at night for diffrant music formats.=20 Now=20 > > to all sounds the same. Jim Smith NOR CAL > >=20 >=20 > Amen, Jim. >=20 > Like you, I used to listen to lots of clear channel stations, as=20 each would=20 > have their own "flavor". Nowadays, it's Hannity, Levin, Savage all=20 across the=20 > dial. Forget bringing back the Fairness Doctrine, mandate local=20 content. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between,=20 > stay up-to-date with the latest news.=20 > (http://aol.com?ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000023) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike I miss thoughs nights and AM STEREO. I did not get my first=20 AM STEREO (TM 152) till 1987. The cheapest one on the self $59.95.=20 Jim Smith NOR CAL From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 19:46:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30918 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 03:46:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 03:46:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 03:46:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12167 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2009 03:46:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TlGxW_gVM1l0NvAHjzHeF5gezpTWNXXf5uONA24KL_CTczPWVtPJEa1tiUee5VLQAXQDSB9LEsdve2QtqgOQLWIIQ5B.Y3fTm15mkHd0q3lYMLvjM_P.sPd2bZTet4OWyJOypIPi5B1nAYWlp3cyV1TspJ1Wc5HqIaBK9X2nI1cTbdGLC0bES0vaQggXli._olofv_kdT4S51fVNxW04qQWVT9k4tUvmZR1M.iqDslg_K_192.NQXTNPRuCo9h2vWiFyjXfr_ofY82lKMCgparIu X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:46:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:46:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <907924.11448.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tt-blbgZ6e9QQYp6T56wAC1-s7bpCDu_5BZ4q5Yn5U0S4w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 It seems like it should be an even deal. The music companies benefit from = airplay, by gaining exposure for their product, while the stations benefit = from the talent to attract listeners...shouldn't both sides just call it ev= en, and see that it is truly a symbiotic relationship?=20=20 As for the success of T40, look at the call letters that come up when folks= discuss legendary stations...WLS, CKLW, WNBC, XEROK, ALL of these stations= , in the time of their greatness, were playing the T40 format! G=20 --- On Mon, 1/26/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:35 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > There is a certain irony. When the music > licenses were worth something back=20 >=20 > in the days of Top 40, the record companies gave them away > just to get their=20 >=20 > records played. Now that music licenses aren't worth > dirt, music companies=20 >=20 > have become the bandits of the airwaves. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************ ** >=20 > From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, >=20 >=20 > stay up-to-date with the latest news.=20 >=20 > (http://aol.com? > ncid=3Demlcntaolco m00000023) >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Jan 26 19:54:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25421 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 03:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 03:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.204) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 03:54:14 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W18 ([64.4.19.118]) by bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:54:14 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:54:14 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <907924.11448.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <907924.11448.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2009 03:54:14.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBC47250:01C98032] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=1OuK3LimFTgWWlEkECLAN-oelpxsaVcaaHfK20hlXzlBxQiK6c5N X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember fondly my youth in south Georgia, where after the sun went down, we could hear WLS in Chicago, WBT Charlotte, WOWO Fort Wayne, WAPE Jacksonville, WSB Atlanta, and many other clear channel flame throwers, and they all played great music!! Now, this was in the late 50's through the mid to late 60's, but it was truly a great time for AM radio and the music was something else. I sincerely wish those days could come back, but now all you hear is Hannity, Savage and the like. Que Sera, Sera. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 26 20:48:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 946 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 04:48:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 04:48:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 04:48:08 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bc7.375763aa (39953) for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:48:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:48:03 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=z9hBCS-kmqfrqGxWOmq_lGqYNf2tR4FjdvD_nyJvIodSXqQ4eczvxlWU90JtMh5R X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, The key to success in radio is building a wide audience. Having an handful of loyal listeners does not achieve that result. The difference between Storz's highly successful KXOK in St. Louis and KCLU where I attended college in rural Missouri was not the music. Both played the same records (or carts). The difference was that at KXOK, the rotation was literally rocket science while at KCLU, Frankie Childs (I will always remember that name) would come in and played what he liked or occassionally requests. KCLU always had one dedicated listener (Frankie) or the person listening for his or her request. Unfortunately, two listeners do not make an audience. Storz developed a format that had pre-teens listening to their 5-transistor specials under the covers at night as well as my 70-year old grandmother listening to the news 5 minutes before every hour. There were FMers who had a much more intensely loyal following. The problem was a handful of listeners would listen to a particular DJ and then tune out. The FMers would all lost in those days, except for a couple that played "Beautiful Music". There was alot of information that went into Storz programming. I don't know where that kind of data would come from today. Essentially, there are no record stores and no compilation of the popularity of songs that haven't been on the charts for decades. The markets are different. You can't ressurrect radio by bring back Top 40 anymore than bringing back radio dramas. That isn't to say there is some market for each. I love the new radio Twilight Zone as well as listening to the old Top 40. However, there aren't enough of us to gain sponsor support. I think there is a market for AMS. In the home, FM gives good sound quality, but mobile FM reception sucks in many urban areas. Just drive, walk, BART, or whatever around the Bay Area. KFRC could deliver a solid signal while its 100kW FM counterparts atop Mt. Sutro would fade in and out. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 26 21:42:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39625 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 05:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 05:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 05:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 05:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.231] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 05:42:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:42:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <907924.11448.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.53.253 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=ViyGb03PNgoAYodNQhBrLg1rU4Qkh-bfZMyEoB0Oft43eLGGCwr6Mq37e_RaAh2I2boH5H4N X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > It seems like it should be an even deal. The music companies=20 benefit from airplay, by gaining exposure for their product, while=20 the stations benefit from the talent to attract listeners...shouldn't=20 both sides just call it even, and see that it is truly a symbiotic=20 relationship?=20=20 > As for the success of T40, look at the call letters that come up=20 when folks discuss legendary stations...WLS, CKLW, WNBC, XEROK, ALL=20 of these stations, in the time of their greatness, were playing the=20 T40 format! > G=20 >=20 > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > From: mjgrant@... > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:35 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > There is a certain irony. When the music > > licenses were worth something back=20 > >=20 > > in the days of Top 40, the record companies gave them away > > just to get their=20 > >=20 > > records played. Now that music licenses aren't worth > > dirt, music companies=20 > >=20 > > have become the bandits of the airwaves. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ************ ** > >=20 > > From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, > >=20 > >=20 > > stay up-to-date with the latest news.=20 > >=20 > > (http://aol.com? > > ncid=3Demlcntaolco m00000023) > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > > > Hi Guys The one I listened to was "THE BIG 610 KFRC". And 610 AM is=20 still 5kw and I can still hear them at 100 mile from there tx. But=20 now beind Family Radio makes it a dead staion to me. The resson why=20 they sold 610 is because CBS found out that it was puting a local=20 signal in to Sacrmento Ca so CBS said there are to many CBS stations=20 in one area. That sucks. Now KFRC FM 106.9 is simocasting on AM 1550=20 wich I can bairly get at night. Jim Smith NOR CAL From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 26 22:04:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41262 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 06:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 06:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 06:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 06:04:21 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 06:04:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:04:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.53.253 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=6AESNxz4wtbjK8owOsqlmO_w4FQ9J7MnGArZ-8g8VLnBmyj5a1OX1dvWGbarxQ1p3VPrcXOW X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Jim, >=20 > The key to success in radio is building a wide audience. Having an=20 handful=20 > of loyal listeners does not achieve that result.=20 >=20 > The difference between Storz's highly successful KXOK in St. Louis=20 and KCLU=20 > where I attended college in rural Missouri was not the music. Both=20 played the=20 > same records (or carts). The difference was that at KXOK, the=20 rotation was=20 > literally rocket science while at KCLU, Frankie Childs (I will=20 always remember=20 > that name) would come in and played what he liked or occassionally=20 requests.=20=20 > KCLU always had one dedicated listener (Frankie) or the person=20 listening for=20 > his or her request. Unfortunately, two listeners do not make an=20 audience. >=20 > Storz developed a format that had pre-teens listening to their 5- transistor=20 > specials under the covers at night as well as my 70-year old=20 grandmother=20 > listening to the news 5 minutes before every hour. There were=20 FMers who had a much=20 > more intensely loyal following. The problem was a handful of=20 listeners would=20 > listen to a particular DJ and then tune out. The FMers would all=20 lost in=20 > those days, except for a couple that played "Beautiful Music". >=20 > There was alot of information that went into Storz programming. I=20 don't know=20 > where that kind of data would come from today. Essentially, there=20 are no=20 > record stores and no compilation of the popularity of songs that=20 haven't been on=20 > the charts for decades. The markets are different. >=20 > You can't ressurrect radio by bring back Top 40 anymore than=20 bringing back=20 > radio dramas. That isn't to say there is some market for each. I=20 love the new=20 > radio Twilight Zone as well as listening to the old Top 40.=20=20 However, there=20 > aren't enough of us to gain sponsor support. >=20 > I think there is a market for AMS. In the home, FM gives good=20 sound quality,=20 > but mobile FM reception sucks in many urban areas. Just drive,=20 walk, BART,=20 > or whatever around the Bay Area. KFRC could deliver a solid signal=20 while its=20 > 100kW FM counterparts atop Mt. Sutro would fade in and out. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************** > From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay=20 > up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com? ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000023) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike I know that AM dose much better then FM in hills and=20 moutains.Thats why Japan is still making and selling AM STEREO radios=20 today!!! Again if it worked for KSEG FM 96.9 it can work for any=20 station. That only happened about a year and a haft ago. No it was'nt=20 20 years ago. And beleave me it was'nt 2 or 3 listeners that e-mailed=20 them it was hundereds of poeple. That turned there station around and=20 they are doing much better and they are still listening to there=20 listeners. Jim Smith NOR CAL From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 22:16:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54946 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 06:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 06:16:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 06:16:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28075 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2009 06:16:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LjWLq_MVM1l_RdZUtJzLwAELo28QKcutzRs5F_CdFGaWtQL1VPZiOdUQh4a3J.Parb9vZguM.OjRaUwIvzbq_YpQfnzLfO.WnOKOyp_05jTBos5i_GAEbp.McW4jCAcnV3rCMYTIuB0KJBt4nWjR5fbJrCmzXp5x_MuicRznFCRXVa08qb_d0NNkt8kAp7vu8IiXD31keAsicUv2yjTTxMzKOdz1tKl6KiBXBbEa5iuvjUKQsOQ5GTP62NXFPCxsEwSPPAfOkkysoVnKGJum.Lfx X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:16:48 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:16:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <629659.26704.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=9mFWtOTFvvhJ2epqjvr5dCASjnUI2YWs2DOXeVMHL35vVA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I think the T40 format COULD work again, but maybe not with the "music"(?) that gets on the charts these days. BUT, an oldies station that would use = THAT kind of music with the same jingles and sounders that were common back= then, might just have a fighting chance.=20=20 After all, there ARE a lot of oldies stations, but most of them now just pl= ay a computer (and sometimes at a pathetic bit-rate at that) into the line,= NO live DJs and an occasional jingle that just doesn't go well with the fo= rmat.=20 Bring back the 60s/70s tunes, some PAMS "Solid Rock" jingles like WLS and X= EROK used, and DJs that know how the format works, and I bet the oldies aud= ience would swell. There ARE people over 25 that the sponsors need to recog= nize! (My son just turned 18, and HE wants to do radio like it was done bac= k then!) Now, where can we find a PD with the guts to be the first to do it? :>) BTW, WLS legend John "Records" Landecker does a syndicated show called "Bac= k to the Seventies" that airs in Lansing on Saturday nights...he's still a = cool guy, but what a waste of talent! Without the old jingles, and the free= dom to do "Boogie Check" and "Can I Get a Witness News", it just isn't the = same old John... George --- On Mon, 1/26/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 11:48 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Jim, >=20 >=20 >=20 > The key to success in radio is building a wide audience.=20 > Having an handful=20 >=20 > of loyal listeners does not achieve that result.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The difference between Storz's highly successful KXOK > in St. Louis and KCLU=20 >=20 > where I attended college in rural Missouri was not the > music. Both played the=20 >=20 > same records (or carts). The difference was that at KXOK, > the rotation was=20 >=20 > literally rocket science while at KCLU, Frankie Childs (I > will always remember=20 >=20 > that name) would come in and played what he liked or > occassionally requests.=20=20 >=20 > KCLU always had one dedicated listener (Frankie) or the > person listening for=20 >=20 > his or her request. Unfortunately, two listeners do not > make an audience. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Storz developed a format that had pre-teens listening to > their 5-transistor=20 >=20 > specials under the covers at night as well as my 70-year > old grandmother=20 >=20 > listening to the news 5 minutes before every hour. There > were FMers who had a much=20 >=20 > more intensely loyal following. The problem was a handful > of listeners would=20 >=20 > listen to a particular DJ and then tune out. The FMers > would all lost in=20 >=20 > those days, except for a couple that played "Beautiful > Music". >=20 >=20 >=20 > There was alot of information that went into Storz > programming. I don't know=20 >=20 > where that kind of data would come from today.=20 > Essentially, there are no=20 >=20 > record stores and no compilation of the popularity of songs > that haven't been on=20 >=20 > the charts for decades. The markets are different. >=20 >=20 >=20 > You can't ressurrect radio by bring back Top 40 anymore > than bringing back=20 >=20 > radio dramas. That isn't to say there is some market > for each. I love the new=20 >=20 > radio Twilight Zone as well as listening to the old Top 40. > However, there=20 >=20 > aren't enough of us to gain sponsor support. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I think there is a market for AMS. In the home, FM gives > good sound quality,=20 >=20 > but mobile FM reception sucks in many urban areas. Just > drive, walk, BART,=20 >=20 > or whatever around the Bay Area. KFRC could deliver a > solid signal while its=20 >=20 > 100kW FM counterparts atop Mt. Sutro would fade in and > out. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************ ** >=20 > From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, > stay=20 >=20 > up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com? > ncid=3Demlcntaolco m00000023) >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 26 22:21:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77663 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 06:21:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 06:21:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.91) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 06:21:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38913 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 06:21:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i4j0t9) (jimsmith95650@75.31.53.253 with login) by smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 06:21:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BkP7wd4VM1lh2kipf8sf3v0_X7Ir1RvAGoXivPasSR5XtOgnjV721b4Js7QZpLwHe6m_RmeMFmXaNTT6JQFJ30Q4xhMKG2Lqxxg7K9h889NRodPWXlB7VM9oKTsSCvOwxuPwADhPBcDkbxZuEwQFWy7Vd2.W2JzxKYeftCl.F9hd4o32XGZzT3ZdOBFdWcfN3iDM54d_csYkygBWKDqpSpOKTyxq2HUAPpDw5Vx3eab07z_U7Lc89vDdf7yIlASKv5.jiA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 Message-ID: <001b01c98047$92544780$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <209410.55888.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:22:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:1:1:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=E5xXFE4xH_Lxzkiw2wU__fqb6mpbfU9bkN68DdO4oGpo9rVvE01D41IRb-WQkDmLuGaW3HJT X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I would fire that stuped PD and listen to what the listeners want. After all of us listeners can make a station a brake a station. Jim Smith NOR CAL ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca AMEN! The T40 was both a science and an art, and one that obviously worked well...and probably STILL would, if only some PD had the guts to try it again. G (Drake lives!) --- On Mon, 1/26/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:12 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Believe it or not, Top 40 formats were very > well thought out. There was alot > > of effort, expertise, and research which went into their > rotations and > > program content. It may have appeared spotaneous and > free-wheeling, but it was > > anything but. The craft was to make it *appear* that way. > > > > In my opinion, the reason so-called Adult Contemporary > stations fail is they > > try to be juke boxes. That's not radio. > > > > Mike > > > > ************ ** > > From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, > > > stay up-to-date with the latest news. > > (http://aol.com? > ncid=emlcntaolco m00000023) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 26 22:30:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5074 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 06:30:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 06:30:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 06:30:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 06:30:30 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.83] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 06:30:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:30:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <629659.26704.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.53.253 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=9EMCgWqeEtq38Ya-49yEj9dXmCDUXt3YFxtjaMLszLCdflGDLAZgFhmjPCWZuqD5K6ryKXR5 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > I think the T40 format COULD work again, but maybe not with=20 the "music"(?) > that gets on the charts these days. BUT, an oldies station that=20 would use THAT kind of music with the same jingles and sounders that=20 were common back then, might just have a fighting chance.=20=20 > After all, there ARE a lot of oldies stations, but most of them now=20 just play a computer (and sometimes at a pathetic bit-rate at that)=20 into the line, NO live DJs and an occasional jingle that just doesn't=20 go well with the format.=20 > Bring back the 60s/70s tunes, some PAMS "Solid Rock" jingles like=20 WLS and XEROK used, and DJs that know how the format works, and I bet=20 the oldies audience would swell. There ARE people over 25 that the=20 sponsors need to recognize! (My son just turned 18, and HE wants to=20 do radio like it was done back then!) >=20 > Now, where can we find a PD with the guts to be the first to do=20 it? :>) >=20 > BTW, WLS legend John "Records" Landecker does a syndicated show=20 called "Back to the Seventies" that airs in Lansing on Saturday=20 nights...he's still a cool guy, but what a waste of talent! Without=20 the old jingles, and the freedom to do "Boogie Check" and "Can I Get=20 a Witness News", it just isn't the same old John... >=20 > George >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > From: mjgrant@... > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 11:48 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > Jim, > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > The key to success in radio is building a wide audience.=20 > > Having an handful=20 > >=20 > > of loyal listeners does not achieve that result.=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > The difference between Storz's highly successful KXOK > > in St. Louis and KCLU=20 > >=20 > > where I attended college in rural Missouri was not the > > music. Both played the=20 > >=20 > > same records (or carts). The difference was that at KXOK, > > the rotation was=20 > >=20 > > literally rocket science while at KCLU, Frankie Childs (I > > will always remember=20 > >=20 > > that name) would come in and played what he liked or > > occassionally requests.=20=20 > >=20 > > KCLU always had one dedicated listener (Frankie) or the > > person listening for=20 > >=20 > > his or her request. Unfortunately, two listeners do not > > make an audience. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Storz developed a format that had pre-teens listening to > > their 5-transistor=20 > >=20 > > specials under the covers at night as well as my 70-year > > old grandmother=20 > >=20 > > listening to the news 5 minutes before every hour. There > > were FMers who had a much=20 > >=20 > > more intensely loyal following. The problem was a handful > > of listeners would=20 > >=20 > > listen to a particular DJ and then tune out. The FMers > > would all lost in=20 > >=20 > > those days, except for a couple that played "Beautiful > > Music". > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > There was alot of information that went into Storz > > programming. I don't know=20 > >=20 > > where that kind of data would come from today.=20 > > Essentially, there are no=20 > >=20 > > record stores and no compilation of the popularity of songs > > that haven't been on=20 > >=20 > > the charts for decades. The markets are different. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > You can't ressurrect radio by bring back Top 40 anymore > > than bringing back=20 > >=20 > > radio dramas. That isn't to say there is some market > > for each. I love the new=20 > >=20 > > radio Twilight Zone as well as listening to the old Top 40. > > However, there=20 > >=20 > > aren't enough of us to gain sponsor support. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > I think there is a market for AMS. In the home, FM gives > > good sound quality,=20 > >=20 > > but mobile FM reception sucks in many urban areas. Just > > drive, walk, BART,=20 > >=20 > > or whatever around the Bay Area. KFRC could deliver a > > solid signal while its=20 > >=20 > > 100kW FM counterparts atop Mt. Sutro would fade in and > > out. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ************ ** > >=20 > > From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, > > stay=20 > >=20 > > up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com? > > ncid=3Demlcntaolco m00000023) > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > > > Hi George I hear that and do it on free radio. Jim Smith NOR CAL From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 26 22:46:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13210 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 06:46:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 06:46:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 06:46:20 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d22.35c2ecfd (29672) for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:46:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:46:14 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=BXY05cqSRjUfvL8n1EH-HEn2ULoNUGfdg71WiRF6xMU6CR6fMTqzocjnAVocB0gO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those jingle packages were part of the mix and what made that Top 40 "big" sound. JRL is a true talent. He, and those like him, were another one of the ingredients. JRL and I are about the same age. Something happened in 40 or so intervening years. I got old and he turned into my dad, or at least what my dad looked like back then. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 26 22:57:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38474 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 06:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 06:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 06:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.ccd.4d460af2 (29672) for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:57:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:57:43 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=idTyIs-UpJdughspUf5jnfZjB_LQULiMFtTjaXorSc--ExEGoEL1rHjsSVwOxUQj X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Mighty 610, KFRC in glorious Kahn AM Stereo. One of the wonders of the Bay Area, every bit as much as the Golden Gate Bridge and the cable cars. Those who sold it would have turned Alioto's into a Long John Silver if they had the chance. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 26 23:47:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51905 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 07:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 07:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 07:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 07:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 07:47:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:47:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.217.69 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=CwjLtK1YbDZ_HDnRKx43m14KGdUmSpj3MB3PM4wJMpZ2wZ2PJDtwe0CgAISljjya16N7lc_I X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > The Mighty 610, KFRC in glorious Kahn AM Stereo. One of the=20 wonders of the=20 > Bay Area, every bit as much as the Golden Gate Bridge and the cable=20 cars.=20=20 > Those who sold it would have turned Alioto's into a Long John=20 Silver if they had=20 > the chance. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between,=20 > stay up-to-date with the latest news.=20 > (http://aol.com?ncid=3Demlcntaolcom00000023) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike I did not get to hear them and DR DON ROSE in KAHN AM STEREO=20 but I had herd recordings and they sounded great. After thay when to=20 MAGIC 61 thay stayed mono for me untill after I bot my TM 152 shortly=20 after that thay went c-quam and in 1991 the calls came back to 610 am=20 and thay stayed in c-quam untill 1999. I was listening to them and=20 the stereo light kept flashing on and off and then off of good sad to=20 say.You can find the old engineers site on the web just enter KFRC AM=20 610 his name is Phil Lazria or some thing like that. Jim Smith NOR CAR From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue Jan 27 03:51:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45126 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 11:51:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 11:51:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173009pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.9) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 11:51:04 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KE40069MOONGP2D@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:46:01 -0600 (CST) Message-id: To: References: <907924.11448.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:50:51 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=AecNpSXOWW1mA7fUWCegnNUoOSLZbntIAK02Eh2pRkPY8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those were indeed great radio days. I grew up in Tampa, and we could hear most of those stations (plus WWL, WNOE, & WTIX in New Orleans, WABB Mobile, WBBM & WLS Chicago, etc.) The great music and unique sounds of each station made DXing great fun in those days. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: AM Stereo Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days I remember fondly my youth in south Georgia, where after the sun went down, we could hear WLS in Chicago, WBT Charlotte, WOWO Fort Wayne, WAPE Jacksonville, WSB Atlanta, and many other clear channel flame throwers, and they all played great music!! Now, this was in the late 50's through the mid to late 60's, but it was truly a great time for AM radio and the music was something else. I sincerely wish those days could come back, but now all you hear is Hannity, Savage and the like. Que Sera, Sera. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 06:35:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3952 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 14:35:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 14:35:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 14:35:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 14:35:43 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 14:35:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:35:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.108 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=uuXqK-fKQyUh0SndWV5HHTh9cyiXQrbp2GcKXm1v9ls_tDwIMg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Gentlemen, Gentlemen!!! I guess you are forgetting a very important thing. Why the 1950's, 1960's and first part of 1970's were "the glorious=20 days" of the radio and music industry? I know we could find a lot of answer, BUT... the central history is=20 about: QUALITY!!! It is an stupid thing but the mankind use to make splendored things=20 when those things are very difficult to make!!! In "the glorious days" we didn't have digital audio, PCs, MP3s,=20 satellital services, etc. etc. etc. So, when somebody wanted to make=20 something, it had to be made whith the best quality because we=20 didn't have a second chance to triumph. Bill Halley and his Comets; Elvis Presley, The Beatles, etc. etc.=20 had to make their records with vacuum tube technology, BUT THEY USED=20 THE BEST DEVICES AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME WITH THE BEST MUSICIANS=20 AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME!!! QUALITY, in the first place. Today, we have enough digital technology to make outstanding=20 products, BUT... today THE PROFITS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN QUALITY!!! One sample: last weekend was the "Olmu=E9, Huaso Music Festival", here=20 in my country. "Huaso music" is the chilean folkloric music. Well,=20 short history: the best musical act (artist) was... JOS=C9 FELICIANO.=20 I don't know if he is known in USA today. He is blind, but he plays=20 the guitar in a way a normal vision man can't do it. He is old, but=20 he has enough and outstanding quality because he plays with the best=20 musicians. In other words: QUALITY over the PROFITS. I wonder, Are there enough quality radio stations today? I wonder, Are there enough quality musicians today? I wonder, IS THERE QUALITY IN THE WORLD TODAY? And the only answer I find is: NO!!! Today, any work you get, any place you go, any thing you hear is=20 below the central premise: PROFIT, it doesn't matter the quality. How to change it? I don't know. Do you? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > Those were indeed great radio days. I grew up in Tampa, and we=20 could hear most of those stations (plus WWL, WNOE, & WTIX in New=20 Orleans, WABB Mobile, WBBM & WLS Chicago, etc.) The great music and=20 unique sounds of each station made DXing great fun in those days. > Dick W. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO=20 > To: AM Stereo=20 > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:54 PM > Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days >=20 >=20 >=20 > I remember fondly my youth in south Georgia, where after the sun=20 went down, we could hear WLS in Chicago, WBT Charlotte, WOWO Fort=20 Wayne, WAPE Jacksonville, WSB Atlanta, and many other clear channel=20 flame throwers, and they all played great music!! Now, this was in=20 the late 50's through the mid to late 60's, but it was truly a great=20 time for AM radio and the music was something else. >=20 > I sincerely wish those days could come back, but now all you=20 hear is Hannity, Savage and the like. >=20 > Que Sera, Sera. >=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 06:37:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42885 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 14:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 14:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 14:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 14:37:27 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.79] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 14:37:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:37:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.108 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=lJs73Zat_DDj-X_Rexr4dv3MTqUPQ7GaYyK1LQ5APaPxTiMwSg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > I was thinking about a large tuned AM loop (3m diagonal) on a=20 tower with a 50=20 > ohm buffer at the antenna to drive the coax. The self contained=20 loop on the=20 > TU-680 must be part of a tuned circuit, unless Denon was really=20 conservative=20 > on its AM bandwidth. >=20 > Like Paul has suggested, I am afraid making a MP3 might be the=20 last straw in=20 > overprocessing a signal. As it is now, the CD PCM is converted to=20 analog=20 > which is dbx processed which drives a digitizer which supplies the=20 input to=20 > transmitter which coverts it to analog phase information which=20 generates the analog=20 > AMS signal which is received by the tuner which is digitized into=20 a WAV file.=20=20 > It's a wonder anything is let in the end as it as, let alone=20 putting it=20 > through the MP3 algorithm. >=20 > The is a send a file site I can send you the file if you like. >=20 > Mike >=20 Try to send me the file to: jotape1960@hotmail.com GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Jan 27 08:06:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44093 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 16:06:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 16:06:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.145) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 16:06:22 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W9 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:06:22 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:06:21 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: References: <907924.11448.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2009 16:06:22.0165 (UTC) FILETIME=[32750050:01C98099] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days(from another Florida listening post) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=H6UxmKRbWfHLECNeUxT8siDaPCDTgl52-ni56fmNJUaYpoR2r0tkw3TNSM0 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, Dx'ing in the 1960's and 1970's was much different in those days; the radios were more sensitive (now most radios; at least the A.M. band seems to be an afterthought. From my listening post during those days (not too far from Dick W's Tampa location) could also pick up WSB 750-Atlanta; 760-WJR Detroit (now a local station makes that impossible), 770-WABC-NYC; WBT-1110-Charlotte and regional stations WGBS-710-Miami (now the Cuban interference is so bad; it's not possible to hear WAQI-710-Miami except in the background of the Cuban station) and also WQAM 560-Miami and WDBO- 580-Orlando; but now a local 570 (that was a daytimer in that time period) splatters onto to both WQAM-560 and WDBO's 580 frequency and the Cuban stations, which all seemed to increased their power in the mid 1980's pretty well prevent me from getting the clear Channel frequencies; they all have some Cuban interference; even 750 and 1110 have Cuban interference some night. Interestingly enough the local 570 has a very strong signal in my location, but in spite of that can occasionally hear the Cuban 570 (Radio Reloj) in the background during the day and always at night.... it's there in the background. Also it was easier to i.d. stations then since they all seemed to have a distinct style and would give their call letters, frequency , local temps, weather and news several times during the hour. Now scanning through the dial at night; the few stations I can pick up seem to be simulcasting Coast to Coast and there's little mention of station call letters except the top of the hour i.d.; so it's often hard to i.d. stations, other than the top of the hour. (especially on an analogue radio like the GE Superradio III It was a pleasant surprise to discover that at another listening post about 73 miles n.n.e. of here to discover that an A.M. music station that I had assumed was automated at night is live and local 24 hours a day. (WVLG 640- The Villages) It was like a time warp to hear local time and temperature and a live announcer overnight. Donn, St. Petersburg To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: dwtpa97@verizon.netDate: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:50:51 -0500Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days Those were indeed great radio days. I grew up in Tampa, and we could hear most of those stations (plus WWL, WNOE, & WTIX in New Orleans, WABB Mobile, WBBM & WLS Chicago, etc.) The great music and unique sounds of each station made DXing great fun in those days.Dick W.----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: AM Stereo Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:54 PMSubject: RE: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old DaysI remember fondly my youth in south Georgia, where after the sun went down, we could hear WLS in Chicago, WBT Charlotte, WOWO Fort Wayne, WAPE Jacksonville, WSB Atlanta, and many other clear channel flame throwers, and they all played great music!! Now, this was in the late 50's through the mid to late 60's, but it was truly a great time for AM radio and the music was something else.I sincerely wish those days could come back, but now all you hear is Hannity, Savage and the like.Que Sera, Sera.MTGC (Michael)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Jan 27 09:42:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74635 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 17:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 17:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 17:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 17:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 17:42:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:42:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.240.134.22 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days(from another Florida listening post) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=EtPkMMKCEXsA5-WDNsI1KgG9cbRyHFNHNRG_y29589rV45oRq-HQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Was listening to the MusicRadio show on WABC Saturday night in=20 Jefferson, NH on U-S Route Two... I heard what appeared to be a=20 Spanish language broadcast under that up here in extreme Northern New=20 Hampshire. Was that Cuba? I just had not heard it before under 77- WABC. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Donn Tillman=20 wrote: > >=20 > Yes, Dx'ing in the 1960's and 1970's was much different in those=20 days; the radios were more sensitive (now most radios; at least the=20 A.M. band seems to be an afterthought. >=20=20 > From my listening post during those days (not too far from Dick W's=20 Tampa location) could also pick up WSB 750-Atlanta; 760-WJR Detroit=20 (now a local station makes that impossible), 770-WABC-NYC; WBT-1110- Charlotte and regional stations WGBS-710-Miami (now the Cuban=20 interference is so bad; it's not possible to hear WAQI-710-Miami=20 except in the background of the Cuban station) and also WQAM 560- Miami and WDBO- 580-Orlando; but now a local 570 (that was a daytimer=20 in that time period) splatters onto to both WQAM-560 and WDBO's 580=20 frequency and the Cuban stations, which all seemed to increased their=20 power in the mid 1980's pretty well prevent me from getting the clear=20 Channel frequencies; they all have some Cuban interference; even 750=20 and 1110 have Cuban interference some night. >=20=20 > Interestingly enough the local 570 has a very strong signal in my=20 location, but in spite of that can occasionally hear the Cuban 570=20 (Radio Reloj) in the background during the day and always at=20 night.... it's there in the background. >=20=20 > Also it was easier to i.d. stations then since they all seemed to=20 have a distinct style and would give their call letters, frequency ,=20 local temps, weather and news several times during the hour.=20=20=20 >=20=20 > Now scanning through the dial at night; the few stations I can pick=20 up seem to be simulcasting Coast to Coast and there's little mention=20 of station call letters except the top of the hour i.d.; so it's=20 often hard to i.d. stations, other than the top of the hour.=20 (especially on an analogue radio like the GE Superradio III >=20=20 > It was a pleasant surprise to discover that at another listening=20 post about 73 miles n.n.e. of here to discover that an A.M. music=20 station that I had assumed was automated at night is live and local=20 24 hours a day. (WVLG 640- The Villages) It was like a time warp to=20 hear local time and temperature and a live announcer overnight. >=20=20 > Donn, > St. Petersburg >=20 >=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@...: dwtpa97@...: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:50:51 - 0500Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Those were indeed great radio days. I grew up in Tampa, and we=20 could hear most of those stations (plus WWL, WNOE, & WTIX in New=20 Orleans, WABB Mobile, WBBM & WLS Chicago, etc.) The great music and=20 unique sounds of each station made DXing great fun in those days.Dick=20 W.----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON -=20 CEO To: AM Stereo Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:54 PMSubject: RE:=20 {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old DaysI remember fondly my=20 youth in south Georgia, where after the sun went down, we could hear=20 WLS in Chicago, WBT Charlotte, WOWO Fort Wayne, WAPE Jacksonville,=20 WSB Atlanta, and many other clear channel flame throwers, and they=20 all played great music!! Now, this was in the late 50's through the=20 mid to late 60's, but it was truly a great time for AM radio and the=20 music was something else.I sincerely wish those days could come back,=20 but now all you hear is Hannity, Savage and the like.Que Sera,=20 Sera.MTGC (Michael)[Non-text portions of this message have been=20 removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed]=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Jan 27 10:15:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7748 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 18:14:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 18:14:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 18:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 18:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 18:14:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:14:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.240.134.22 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=c9KCtCmcbpMuwCMJdvZXe6vvYp2WTHD1IcFHJTTxOZsAVopVURSe X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I'm with the 18-year old... and I'm 30. Bob in Vermont I'll sneak in some 20/20 News ...CKLW style... with=20 an evil grin as I think about the next cunning way of writing the next=20 story. From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Jan 27 10:22:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10467 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 18:22:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 18:22:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.234) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 18:22:06 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W47 ([64.4.19.147]) by bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:22:05 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:22:05 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jan 2009 18:22:05.0974 (UTC) FILETIME=[288BA360:01C980AC] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=rxCUaGKvVsBZOb7TuFrtp6txYLnIXOY-6rEq_iRo8iypXtS_RONx X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WWL! What a great station. I remember listening to them at night while driving to my Army post at Fort Benning. One memorable night, I listened as they interviewed the Three Stooges, who were appearing at a local New Orleans club. It was wonderful to hear the original Moe and Larry and the new Curly Joe. Ah, the memories of my youth. It would be great if that era of radio still existed, but alas, it does not. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keith1226@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 12:23:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8522 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 20:23:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 20:23:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 20:23:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 20:23:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.95] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2009 20:23:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:23:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.188.48.91 From: "Keith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=3hlpXPQycldA0o6cC4DGwOMiP-j1Dz-b-RL9KPMSBtZGRwC7 X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Donn and other Floridians,=20 If you know some Spanish, it could be an interesting project to try to=20 i.d. some of the Cubans. In Seattle WA and Vancouver BC, there are=20 quite a few stations at the upper end of the AM dial that broadcast in=20 other languages to a local, foreign-born audience: Spanish, Russian,=20 Chinese, Korean, Hindi, etc. Some of the Mexicans play great music, if=20 you like banda and norteno music (I do). As a sometime SWLer, I enjoy=20 trying to i.d. the language and, if I'm lucky, maybe catch a word here=20 and there.=20 I agree, the number of stations that simulcast each other is a pain,=20 especially at night, and I'd like to hear more music back on AM,=20 stereo or not. But it's probably not gonna happen.=20 Keith Beesley in Seattle=20 > From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 27 12:42:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45313 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 20:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 20:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 20:41:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.ca3.45e2de6a (41809) for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:41:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:41:31 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days(from another Florida l... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=2LV1LnPF0pQ2rwgOmA9bNadi6PAn8bUbbsv6JUEgEAXmA0h4Oxj9sRoCGrMhj__X X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It could be WEW here in St. Louis. It was a daytimer with 1kW on 770 khz. When WABC's protected area was decreased, it now has extended hours. The reason I mention this is WEW has Spanish programming. Believe it or not, the FCC authorized a station on 880 khz, WLS's first adjacent, only 200 miles from Chicago in a direct line with St. Louis. They have a directional antenna which beams to the southwest directly at St. Louis. In the 70s and 80s I could listen to WLS during the day on my way to and from work. No more. The problem with these peanut whistles is they interfere with the dominant station for hundreds of miles beyond the tiny area where they have a usuable signal. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jan 27 12:49:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92159 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 20:49:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 20:49:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 20:49:18 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bca.40a2eec1 (29679) for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:49:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:49:12 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=L8GhVchIhEOGchqBpE3n1IJ-NeV1iUv3E_bCj-Ov8t06Q-RV19Ql0wbmJPJlfXRk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/2009 8:37:56 AM Central Standard Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > Try to send me the file to: jotape1960@hotmail.com > Consider it done. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bc d=DecemailfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jan 27 13:15:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77054 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2009 21:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2009 21:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2009 21:15:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76897 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2009 21:15:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TX5ag_AVM1mhYttY4pQKjybLzDY26MIwVcR4kkhs0AkRuu83RSIWWoe.bsoNaRp__yyJdiOwMIUbWZtPYDTSOeBWTgyAVL_mc4M96E1KobHF6H.qoU53xZn_dziywfTReqajPEskw.xaYuC6MC5qZX_9nxTxYKlINndEF_nmdmNY1AwZaf8MxLCt2XY.OBo8LlVWQATuP6vqdB5g63aa1Lm5qJHo7Q4jGckuGWpZbUgQ0tjkTEF7BmaJgJXeYZaBF0THK3phi98TFkgX4Q1ykqgc X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:15:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:15:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <142099.76647.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=wQMUCjoUeGX0EbjkZy6r3gL9l6CQnP9S8So_ell7BqE24Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Banda y Nortena? Senor Kieth, you are talking GREAT music! I'm a dyed-in-th= e-wool Tejano freak myself...G --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Keith wrote: > From: Keith > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 3:23 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Donn and other Floridians,=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > If you know some Spanish, it could be an interesting > project to try to=20 >=20 > i.d. some of the Cubans. In Seattle WA and Vancouver BC, > there are=20 >=20 > quite a few stations at the upper end of the AM dial that > broadcast in=20 >=20 > other languages to a local, foreign-born audience: Spanish, > Russian,=20 >=20 > Chinese, Korean, Hindi, etc. Some of the Mexicans play > great music, if=20 >=20 > you like banda and norteno music (I do). As a sometime > SWLer, I enjoy=20 >=20 > trying to i.d. the language and, if I'm lucky, maybe > catch a word here=20 >=20 > and there.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I agree, the number of stations that simulcast each other > is a pain,=20 >=20 > especially at night, and I'd like to hear more music > back on AM,=20 >=20 > stereo or not. But it's probably not gonna happen.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Keith Beesley in Seattle=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 05:31:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4938 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2009 13:31:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2009 13:31:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2009 13:31:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2009 13:31:17 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2009 13:31:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:31:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.47 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=J88j-K0EJs99PK7XXc8cikI_kw3ouFPe3RQpQrDmOCIt2iZvtw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > Consider it done.=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hi Mike!!! I was trying to re-sending to you your sample songs in MP3 format=20 but I couldn't because the Yahoo system told me you don't have a=20 Yahoo mail account!!! Whatever, my intention had only one target: to show you MP3 isn't so=20 bad (it is acceptable, at least). But, I used my Cool Edit Pro 2.0 audio software to make some changes=20 to your original recording: 1) I re-sampled the data to 41000 samples per second. 2) I remove the audio over modulation. 3) I remove the hiss noise. 4) I filtered to only 15 KHZ maximum audio bandwidth. 6) I changed the file names and I benefitted from it because I=20 didn't have these songs in my personal music library, hahahahahaha!!! 5) I saved it as MP3 format. I hope you'll light me about how to send you the files and also I=20 hope you'll try to "tolerate" the changes. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 11:03:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57790 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2009 19:03:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2009 19:03:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2009 19:03:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2009 19:03:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2009 19:03:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:03:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.142.121 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=Nh7q3H0PApT0SpVUW1vTvAzgBzIT4M8WZTmr7os13bQ X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > One sample: last weekend was the "Olmu=E9, Huaso Music Festival",=20 here=20 > in my country. "Huaso music" is the chilean folkloric music. Well,=20 > short history: the best musical act (artist) was... JOS=C9 FELICIANO.=20 > I don't know if he is known in USA today. He is blind, but he plays=20 > the guitar in a way a normal vision man can't do it. He is old, but=20 > he has enough and outstanding quality because he plays with the=20 best=20 > musicians. \ > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love Hi Juan=20 You wake up my memories! Jose Feliciano! He is stil on the road=20 playing his guitar?=20 I would love to listen him live, playing the old and excellent=20 song "Rain"!!!=20 Regards=20 Sotiris Greece From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 28 12:22:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3912 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2009 20:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2009 20:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2009 20:22:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c4a.45d39f39 (41811) for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:21:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:21:32 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pJeBV5F7caCPyyQ6f0bpilJOg3CkJLRVLmOP2u7qo5RROtcVTxHf99br9tGNzk2D X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/2009 7:31:40 AM Central Standard Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > 1) I re-sampled the data to 41000 samples per second. > > 2) I remove the audio over modulation. > > 3) I remove the hiss noise. > > 4) I filtered to only 15 KHZ maximum audio bandwidth. > > Juan, 1. The original was 16-bit stereo at 32,000 samples per second. I am not sure what re-sampling does. 2. There was no negative overmodulation to my knowledge, although the firmware allows bi-directional super modulation. The transmitter has a indicator when carrier reversal occurs. I also monitored it on the scope with a trap pattern. 3. The white noise is a product of the dbx compression. It is a linear compressor, so when there is no signal, such as before the song starts, its gain is flat out. What you hear is the residual system noise up in front of the dbx encoder. 4. I am somewhat mystified by the HF content. The TU-680 should be dead as doornail above 10 to 12 khz. The experiment was to see if a dbx encoded signal was satisfactory undecoded. If so, then it can be dbx decoded on the receiving end to yield a better than FM signal to noise ratio. What do you think about S/N, HF response, and seperation of the AMAX non-dbx signal? Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 28 12:33:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51174 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2009 20:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2009 20:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2009 20:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d5b.3c7fc52b (41811) for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:32:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:32:59 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: 25 Hz Residual, Supermodulation, and High Frequency Response X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zttpVDWgBqn7pmbm6B5Uka7IL49oV5nuryoQzdFiZ_MAoTB4p0n0usH9airwBbLd X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sotiris, Without giving away your trade secrets, do you reduce the 25 hz residual from the pilot which appears in the individual stereo channels in your design? I had a Denon TU-680NAB. I am not sure what it uses for AMS decoding. I take it you use the Motorola chip. Do you know if either can take full modulation (+125%/-98%)? I have a good deal of high frequency content in the output of TU-680 extending to 16 khz. That is far beyond its specification. I can't tell if it is program content or some kind of artifacts generated by the transmitter and/or receiver. It sounds alright. Any ideas? Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keith1226@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 12:40:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 989 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2009 20:40:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2009 20:40:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51108.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2009 20:40:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83450 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2009 20:40:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: E888wyQVM1k4Inp85j5INl9TWAZjPnQx3Pno8Tz1F2QcGfSCsShpxUU7uEOXp0.f5tjzgt2BCLAV3ZYKkhpbkuJjR0UOjXaOYOxLmC4_84DBDQ0RI.EEMRHHCO442LBmfBjlvXMcu3gH8sZO.CP.V9aYouipvZDEba5cPIoQcSC2_fRZGvkcXEuSuFv1PiD32WVpa5zlDTtyIwBy9skHJrhPd2bTF0fkIFUzHxrK5PuJzg3QfG5.R3BhLo0pDqaBvaMCXeuL6VNaY50M4fCTOi2Xkn6xTZPHKq2Cz0s_LMQ- X-Received: from [206.188.48.91] by web51108.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:40:55 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:40:55 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <248319.81657.qm@web51108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=XoHLYXAQfQxM0mKOymvGQZ8sOmBvzmUtc6o0XG58ftPIHUew X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Jose's career in the U.S. peaked about 30-35 years ago, but I saw him play,= sing and give an interview (in Spanish) on a Spanish-language U.S. televis= ion program called "Sesiones" about 1 or 2 months ago. He is 63 years old (= according to his biography) but still sounds and looks the same, apart from= a few white hairs :-). Of course, his music is popular all over the world,= and I'm sure he does well on the royalty payments from his Christmas song,= "Feliz Navidad," which I still hear on the radio every year at Christmas t= ime. It has become one of the holiday "standards," like "White Christmas." A very fine artist, one of the first, I think, to successfully join North a= nd Latin American popular music.=20 Interestigly, his first hit song was recorded in Argentina! Regards, Keith Beesley Seattle WA USA=20 --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Sotiris wrote: > From: Sotiris > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Night Time Listening In The Old Days > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:03 AM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" > =20 > wrote: >=20 > > One sample: last weekend was the "Olmu=E9, Huaso > Music Festival",=20 > here=20 > > in my country. "Huaso music" is the chilean > folkloric music. Well,=20 > > short history: the best musical act (artist) was... > JOS=C9 FELICIANO.=20 > > I don't know if he is known in USA today. He is > blind, but he plays=20 > > the guitar in a way a normal vision man can't do > it. He is old, but=20 > > he has enough and outstanding quality because he plays > with the=20 > best=20 > > musicians. \ > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > Hi Juan=20 > You wake up my memories! Jose Feliciano! He is stil on the > road=20 > playing his guitar?=20 > I would love to listen him live, playing the old and > excellent=20 > song "Rain"!!!=20 > Regards=20 > Sotiris > Greece >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 28 15:51:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85111 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2009 23:51:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2009 23:51:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.88) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2009 23:51:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46009 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2009 23:51:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i4j0t9) (jimsmith95650@75.8.106.206 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2009 23:51:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: X2QgAkkVM1nLHYbXxU9pagzzUyLW_UZJCAjFE47GK1FkK3ybqMIYrKVYNF6rx_RmDtqjL7G3.0gqw5WPyvuJF69Wan.yTJlhvIWOhOiiajU0HmvQBXJiHBadWWKm6U8zhauXi2h8X4iIQwdpH0WharQz X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001001c981a3$767fa920$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:52:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Sony SRF A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=VFvKQ8m-B98S5PUp-opyCE5M4grwSkUvDtAd4xzolBZDdit4iFFPgGH_MfhLzIpZenoxyNbd X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I was wondering if the Sony SRF A300 is near AMAX spec's ? Jim Smith NOR CAL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 28 18:34:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48429 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 02:34:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 02:34:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 02:34:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2009 02:34:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.228] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2009 02:34:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:34:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.186 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mde9EBC07HD5coc39ihALtj4IcOThkziJB9qeeAsfCBOukCONw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > =20 > Juan, >=20 > 1. The original was 16-bit stereo at 32,000 samples per second. I=20 am not=20 > sure what re-sampling does.=20=20 >=20 > 2. There was no negative overmodulation to my knowledge, although=20 the=20 > firmware allows bi-directional super modulation. The transmitter=20 has a indicator=20 > when carrier reversal occurs. I also monitored it on the scope=20 with a trap=20 > pattern. >=20 > 3. The white noise is a product of the dbx compression. It is a=20 linear=20 > compressor, so when there is no signal, such as before the song=20 starts, its gain is=20 > flat out. What you hear is the residual system noise up in front=20 of the dbx=20 > encoder. >=20 > 4. I am somewhat mystified by the HF content. The TU-680 should=20 be dead as=20 > doornail above 10 to 12 khz. >=20 > The experiment was to see if a dbx encoded signal was satisfactory=20 undecoded.=20 > If so, then it can be dbx decoded on the receiving end to yield a=20 better=20 > than FM signal to noise ratio. >=20 > What do you think about S/N, HF response, and seperation of the=20 AMAX non-dbx=20 > signal? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hi Mike!!! 1) The reasons to use 44100 (or 48000) samples per second instead of=20 32000 (or any other lower value) are: a) Standarization. Most of the commercial products are 44100 samples=20 per second. b) Quality. Higher the samples per second, higher the final quality.=20 Why? Well, the higher best quality frecuency of any digital to=20 analog converter is a quarter of the samples per second value. So,=20 if we use 44100 samples per second, the best higher frecuency we can=20 get is 11025 HZ. I mean, the best non distorted high frecuency. Of=20 course, we can get more high frecuencies (up to half the samples per=20 second value), but these frecuencies will be distorted. The=20 convertion process has some "algorithms" to attenuate this "natural"=20 distortion. However, this kind of distortion is absolutely tolerable=20 by the human hear (because the human ear has a very poor response in=20 this spectrum area). 2) When I said "over modulation", I didn't mean something about your=20 transmitter and/or your processor. I was talking about the digital=20 RAW audio file. I guess the input level of your PC was set too high.=20 Remember the digital audio recording devices don't react like the=20 analog devices: when the signal is over the 100% (0 DB), the digital=20 devices just "cut" the peaks and, sometimes, we can get some "rare"=20 sounds (like clicks, etc.) due to the "out of range" products.=20 Sometimes the distortion in a digital device doesn't sound like the=20 typical analog tape distortion. 3) Almost all the audio processor has the same problem with the=20 background noise. For that reason some processors have a "backward=20 expander" part (a reverse compressor) to attenuate the noise. I=20 guess some Dbx processors has something like that. 4) You can test your own ears: record 4 different samples of the=20 same song. One with all the HF band; the others with filters at 15,=20 12 and 10 KHZ. (even, you can make one with an 8 KHZ filter) and=20 then hear all the samples, a lot of time. When you compare the=20 samples, I'm not sure if you will believe that you are hearing,=20 man!!! The final target of your experiment has already done by=20 some "masterpiece" (and so expensive) tuners. The only difference is=20 those tuners use digital artifacts to get more outstanding sound. Whatever, I want to congratulate you because your good wishes about=20 how to improve the AM sound. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Jan 28 19:22:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34263 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 03:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 03:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 03:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2009 03:22:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.107] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2009 03:22:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:22:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 203.161.90.201 From: "dandocker" Subject: Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=qIis6ONrnRJUOF0MDAuA1CDzI3WG1xK-1zRvKyeC9zecr-X6 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Hi guys, good advice Juan. Just a pointer that Nyquist theorem states that the highest audio frequency you can get out of digital PCM is half the sampling rate. So in a perfect world, with 44Khz sampling rate, you can get a 22kHz frequency range. ie. the entire spectrum of human hearing. Another tip if you're really pedantic is to choose a sample rate that is native to your sound card (Usually 48kHz). If you need to convert it to another sample rate later (say to put it onto CD), then find some software that uses a good sample rate conversion algorithm. The sample rate conversion built into sound cards is usually pretty crappy. Dan From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 07:32:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10061 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 15:32:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 15:32:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 15:32:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2009 15:32:22 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.107] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2009 15:32:22 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:32:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.140 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=h9f2y5RHw_fYn48gw_9OilAmfNM2JhuyukVLurtdq0K3l7vFqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "dandocker" =20 wrote: > > Hi guys, >=20 > good advice Juan. Just a pointer that Nyquist theorem states that=20 the > highest audio frequency you can get out of digital PCM is=20 half > the sampling rate. So in a perfect world, with 44Khz sampling rate, > you can get a 22kHz frequency range. ie. the entire spectrum of=20 human > hearing. >=20 > Another tip if you're really pedantic is to choose a sample rate=20 that > is native to your sound card (Usually 48kHz). If you need to=20 convert > it to another sample rate later (say to put it onto CD), then find > some software that uses a good sample rate conversion algorithm.=20 The > sample rate conversion built into sound cards is usually pretty=20 crappy. >=20 > Dan > Hi Dan!!! Yes, you're right about the "theoric" maximum bandwidth we can get=20 with the digital technology. But, another thing is the real world. When we use, for example, 44100 samples per second, I understand it=20 means that we "cut" the original analog audio wave into 44100 small=20 pieces (I discovered the wheel, hahahaha) despite the original=20 signal frecuency. So, perhaps I'm worng but I understand that, if we cut the original=20 signal into 44100 pieces, it means a frecuency of 11025 HZ will have=20 only 4 pieces (because it is the quarter part of 44100), and 4=20 pieces is the smallest amount of information we need to re-build the=20 original analog signal in a good way. Why? Well, 4 pieces of information, if we use a perfect sinusoidal=20 wave, mean: 1) First sample is at 0=BA (where the wave starts). 2) Second sample is at 90=BA (quarter part of the original wave). 3) Third sample is at 180=BA (half part of the original wave). 4) Fourth sample is at 270=BA (I don't know if it is well written,=20 remember the english isn't my nature language, but I guess it is 3=20 quarters of the original wave). With this 4 pieces of information, the recover algorithm knows what=20 to do (basically a triangular wave). What's happen if the original signal is 22050 HZ? Well, we will have only two pieces of information: 1) First sample at 0=BA (where the wave starts). 2) Second sample at 180=BA (half part of the wave). Can the recover algorithm works so fine with only two pieces of=20 information? Answer: NO!!! But it doesn't matter because our human hearing system is so bad at=20 this frecuencies so we will not note the difference. So, if we want to have the best, best, best quality, we would have=20 to use 96000 samples per second (because the quarter part is 24000).=20 But a 3 minute long song will take a lot of hard disk space=20 (compared with the standard 44100 value). Here is the space to the digital data compression systems, in other=20 words: MP3 and family. The recording algorithm of any data compression system simple cuts=20 some frecuencies, because THEORICALLY, they aren't relevant to our=20 human hearing system. Actually, it works so fine WHEN THE AVERAGE VOLUMEN IS HIGH (above - 6 Db). In other words, to the normal "noisy" music (rock, reaggeton,=20 salsa, cumbia, etc.). What's happen when we use not "noisy" music like the slow love=20 music, classical music and/or not commercial music? Well, the compression algorithm works... sometimes. Normally, it is=20 the worst!!! I have to use MP3 because I don't have enough money to buy enough=20 hard disks, BUT I HATE IT!!!!!!!! I love when I can record something with the full 48000 samples per=20 seconds rate and I save it as a full *.wav format!!! But, I can do=20 it only with my favourite songs (no more than 100 songs), because my=20 hard disk is limited. If I'm wrong with my explanation, please rectify me and let me know=20 what I don't know. Whatever... LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG AM RADIO!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 07:43:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68569 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 15:43:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 15:43:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 15:43:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 69582 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2009 15:43:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sJAESLsVM1nQLhE1Cozcz0kAHXyh_ltdDn0PC7lxpGkslgdG1c.iJ.O8HPBs7wFlq6d9dlo4XS0xZrGox7yVBqam3eJY76xkEONABnVzPcH3lm1Pyy9Wn2GZTMAiNe99vojbPVTZWQhXb01it9aGQW9s.wIuAjP1DyV2U7cZXEXlxA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:43:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:43:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <121221.69116.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:Sony SRF A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=a2gYLAd2jgR5cuEY0aJwzkJKKshnSzPyrdfLy6wAcxhpiqTl4vRMtG0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I believe that AMAX portables can get by on a lower rating, like they only have to have a 6KHz frequency response compared to 7.5KHz for true AMAX stereo? Can anyone else confirm this? John From w6yn@juno.com Thu Jan 29 07:44:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94840 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 15:44:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 15:44:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 15:44:09 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE2DVWMANPA8VA for (sender ); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:43:07 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDy4fNHI1PW5aFMvlF5tNsBY= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N737YR2D; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:42:59 PST X-Received: from [99.129.209.181] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:42:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:42:31 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090129.074231.22316.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3896153872 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Pirate problem in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=HJ3ErdljyqcAndGpUXGEorhKx6I5ZMd9CnlQGA9RYg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn An Orlando pirate got enough listening to influence the Fall book =96 and f= orce a revision. You might say this pirate was =93Hogging=94 the limelight, and here=92s why= - Three in-tab diaries noted listening to 95.7 FM. Arbitron editors attrib= uted that to out-of-market =93Hog 95.7=94, Black Crow Broadcasting=92s clas= sic hits WHOG-FM in Daytona Beach. But it turns out the three diarykeepers = didn=92t mean the Hog =96 they were listening to what Arbitron calls =93an = unlicensed station=94 in the Orlando metro itself. A pirate, in other words= . That=92s a reminder of how virulent the pirate radio problem is in Florid= a - and it=92s probably worse over in the Miami-Ft. Lauderdale area than in= central Florida. Arbitron=92s now alerted to the 95.7 problem and will rel= ease a revised set of Fall-book ratings for the Orlando market on Monday, F= ebruary 2 =96 minus the pirate radio listening. From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 29 08:02:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64651 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 16:02:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 16:02:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 16:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.ccc.495fef02 (39332) for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:02:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:02:17 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=LVNmC3JBgYJef7xraYxvzLIDKCW745pcrd8-Nv20TwmKvKxZdoVhVHtGQ56FNfgk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a communications theorem (Nyquist) that states the minimum sampling rate must be twice the highest frequency. Otherwise, aliasing occurs. The heart of the transmitter is essentially the equivalent of a DSP engine and requires only a purely digital signal (two 12-bit words per sample). I have two straight binary analog to digital convertors which I am not particularly satisfied with. Up in front of the convertor are two 24db/octave 12.5 khz anti-aliasing low pass filters. The sampling rate is normally 50 khz or 1/32 the carrier frequency. However, for the experiment, I needed a gold standard artifact of the program material. I had a pair of really high quality 16-bit ADC. So I kluged up my own "recorder", which digitized the L and R channels into straight (actually offset) binary. I only had enough eproms to support 25 ksps. So I used simple averaging to convert each of the 16-bit 50 ksps files to 24-bit 25 kps files before burning the eproms. The transmitter simply clocked the eprom addresses which in turn supplied the require two 12-bit words at 25,000 words per second. Real life audio is not encoded this way, which may explain why the levels were off. My interest in dbx is because dbx can take a relatively low s/n ratio media, like a cassette tape, and achieve near digital results, typically adding 20 to 40 db of dynamic range. The dbx is a companding system, a *standard* one. The standardization is the key. The primary shortcoming of AM isn't frequency response or distortion. FM in the US is limited to 15 khz. A modern AM transmitter can deliver that. Even with a 10 khz limitation on AM, there is little program material between 10 to 15 khz. Distortion can easily be held to 1% or less. The primarily limitation is noise. Just like there were exotic cassette tape formulations and special bias, there are things that can marginally reduce noise on AM radio. However, dbx can do far better. DBX is a proven system. The question is compatibility. The dbx system is a simple one. It encodes by adding hf pre-emphasis and then linearly compressing the result. AMAX adds pre-emphasis which, incidentally, in the US is the same as dbx Type 2 (75 us). All AM stations use compression anyway. However, the compression is neither linear nor standardized, so it cannot be properly expanded on the receiving end. But what is the dbx system is used to handle the compression? That would allow the original dynamic range to be recovered. The purpose of the experiment was to determine if the raw dbx encoded signal would be acceptable "as is" for the typical AM radio without post processing. If so, an AMS station could dbx encode their signal which would sound satisfactory on a regular radio, yet could be decoded with standard *off the shelf* equipment to yield FM (actually better) dynamic range. In this experiment, if anyone would dbx Type 2 decode the wav file, it would yield what an dbx AMS signal would sound like, which is astounding. By the way, the dbx system use RMS compression which is more or less unaffected by a reasonable amount of peak limiting needed for AM transmission. So a conventional limiter could be used. In this experiment, the file was numerically processed to limit the peak. DBX would add little to the overall cost of a radio. Stereo TV uses dbx. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 29 08:14:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46756 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 16:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 16:14:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m20.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.1) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 16:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d62.2a094208 (39332) for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:13:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:13:42 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=HZgRKOPFEZptQwcf36ag_WNr_ngkjGaxpKJiCkspQcyX5Z2VWOq4XSKSPbAN1Lji X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, An 11.025 khz triangular wave, without its harmonic components, the first of which is 33.075 khz down almost 20 db from the fundamental, yields a perfect sine wave. Even Superman's hearing isn't accurate enough to percieve the difference. Take a look at distortion figures for even 12-bit ADC's. Their distortion is typically at or near the system noise floor. What I need is something that will take a standard digital audio stream and convert it to straight linear binary in real time. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 29 08:22:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74319 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 16:22:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 16:22:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 16:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cd8.439eabf1 (39332) for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:22:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:22:04 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate problem in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ePG7PHXtb3zmwNzzbeHXsJXtfoOvEIOtJtUJ_ci3BNVm3Iuy2OX7E6iaEBn94PIp X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pirate radio is bad when unlicensed stations start showing up in Arbiton ratings. When these stations start publishing rate cards, it's time for those in charge of the local FCC field office to visit the unemployment office. Some stations might get $250 for a 30-second spot in the evening drive time based on their predicted audience, whereas a pirate station might pull down 1 to 3 years. Incidentally, are these land-based stations? Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Jan 29 09:06:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48207 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 17:06:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 17:06:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms044pub.verizon.net) (206.46.252.44) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 17:06:16 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KE800BD4SO6RJT3@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:02:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:02:35 -0500 To: Message-id: <4626CF5B2BE34D678C5D00FAFD9BDDE3@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Originating-IP: 206.46.252.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate problem in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=YQKe5ahNVBJajO-1roNgjHwO8FOC2ZecYPlBQuN-iV6Smg X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The fact that a pirate station can pull in enough listeners to show up in Arbitron should make the legitimate stations give some thought as to why listeners are turning to the pirate station. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate problem in Florida Pirate radio is bad when unlicensed stations start showing up in Arbiton ratings. When these stations start publishing rate cards, it's time for those in charge of the local FCC field office to visit the unemployment office. Some stations might get $250 for a 30-second spot in the evening drive time based on their predicted audience, whereas a pirate station might pull down 1 to 3 years. Incidentally, are these land-based stations? Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 10:29:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33797 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 18:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 18:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 18:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2009 18:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2009 18:29:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:29:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4626CF5B2BE34D678C5D00FAFD9BDDE3@your4dacd0ea75> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 94.70.228.188 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate problem in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=kDZZhVk7OavhMQykj6z3SRNnTkT-VQPP0p0Ell2t6SY X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr That is exactly what should be the more important outcome of that=20 report! A pirate radio station is by 99.9% a station that runs from=20 people who love to do radio, and take a great risk for doing it, that=20 even if there is a small income of some funds, will not worth the risk!=20 Profit is not the drive for them. What drive that people is the love=20 for radio... and that makes their broadcast more popular, than stations=20 with B $ presenters speaking to mic without any radio heart on their=20 voices!=20 That's truth all around the world. Pirates get more listeners than=20 commercial stations everywhere! Why? I suppose that they don't have a=20 paper saying "license" isn't the reason that listeners staying tune at=20 them from the first moment the dial/scan hit one of them at radios!=20 Think about it... they make "radio" and not profit! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > The fact that a pirate station can pull in enough listeners to show=20 up in Arbitron should make the legitimate stations give some thought as=20 to why listeners are turning to the pirate station. > Dick W. >=20 From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 11:21:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71936 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 19:21:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 19:21:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 19:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2009 19:21:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.229] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2009 19:21:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:21:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 94.70.228.188 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: 25 Hz Residual, Supermodulation, and High Frequency Response X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=HFSs3xLJrsn_S-PEHphdYvRH4wy4yPJcxVjlGf9aNas X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Sotiris, >=20 > Without giving away your trade secrets, do you reduce the 25 hz=20 residual from=20 > the pilot which appears in the individual stereo channels in your=20 design? No, can't say I'm filtering out seriously any 25Hz audio component.=20 There is an audio soft filtering for low followed by a typical pre- emphasis scheme before going to matrix.=20 =20 >=20 > I had a Denon TU-680NAB. I am not sure what it uses for AMS=20 decoding. I=20 > take it uses the Motorola chip. Do you know if either can take=20 full=20 > modulation (+125%/-98%)? You can see the internal of the TU-680NAB at photo files I have=20 uploaded some time ago.=20 Can't follow you on the question about modulation! Either who? >=20 > I have a good deal of high frequency content in the output of TU- 680=20 > extending to 16 khz. That is far beyond its specification. I=20 can't tell if it is=20 > program content or some kind of artifacts generated by the=20 transmitter and/or=20 > receiver. It sounds alright. Any ideas? >=20 > Mike TU-680 has good highs, not sure if it goes all the way up to 16KHz!=20 but it surely goes at 12KHz in wdeband mode. Carver TX11 units=20 however are better IMHO!=20 From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 29 14:23:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87177 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2009 22:22:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2009 22:22:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2009 22:22:59 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c31.4d44a90e (30737) for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:22:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:22:53 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate problem in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=gJ_SwGnr9zWvyKwxP3_T0bjdUUOAv23s6RctbdYIIrV6BXya3lvHDAWD07QeuJ0K X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Florida must be a different world. In the Midwest and MidSouth, where if you can put together more listeners than say your daughter's car stereo, there are station owners waiting in line to put you on licensed air. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Jan 29 16:21:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17471 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 00:21:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 00:21:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 00:21:53 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W9 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s11.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:21:53 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 00:21:53 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2009 00:21:53.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0CCB900:01C98270] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Pirate problem in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=c9d87f8VXgfBW1i2rBUa2JrZR7GK50UQfPGYWTjEaVXLlhAiIwf4scexltc X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since, Orlando is about 40 miles inland; I would be willing to be that the pirate operating at 95.7 (same frequency as a licensed station in Daytona Beach (60 miles n.e. of Orlando) was not operating from the water. (Atlantic)............ The West Palm Beach area to Miami is notorious for pirate stations and some of them don't even try to pick a clear frequency; it's almost as though they want to get caught interfering with a licensed station. One in the Jupiter area (just north of Palm Beach Gardens) was using a palm tree as it's mast. Here in St. Petersburg, there was a pirate station that the FCC closed down several years ago, they were bold enough to give out a phone number for requests and had advertisers; Tampa has had several as well; one was broadcasting (or rebroadcasting religious programming); another north of Tampa (Lutz) was also shut down after being on the air several years. In my area, there have been two pirate stations that broadcast most weekends and just on weekends, never during the week. (96.3 and 96.7) I suppose they (the pirates) are hedging their bets that the FCC is less likely to be working weekends. It seems as though the FCC hasn't been vigilant about any infractions; at least not the Tampa FCC office; it's not just pirates, but day time only stations not signing off at night and stations not powering down at night as well, seem to get a free pass. Donn, st petersburg To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: mjgrant@aol.comDate: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:22:53 -0500Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate problem in Florida Florida must be a different world. In the Midwest and MidSouth, where if you can put together more listeners than say your daughter's car stereo, there are station owners waiting in line to put you on licensed air.Mike**************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jan 29 17:26:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11711 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 01:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 01:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 01:26:09 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.93] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090129192546002879800010.0) with SMTP id <20090129192546002879800010> for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:25:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012501c9827a$5e77cba0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <121221.69116.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:25:46 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Sony SRF A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ZSFsGH9TKB1vsy8ef0G9pLAwYbx_B5Uv7gBNL51nxBVOhTlpHEyJ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sounds about right. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I believe that AMAX portables can get by on a lower rating, like they only have to have a 6KHz frequency response compared to 7.5KHz for true AMAX stereo? Can anyone else confirm this? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jan 29 17:33:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17052 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 01:33:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 01:33:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 01:33:07 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.93] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090129193237000304600010.0) with SMTP id <20090129193237000304600010> for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:32:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <016101c9827b$53948380$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:32:37 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate problem in Florida X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Pd-bvPbGUvUgTg3fl8qYxdLaZr7QMRmveoNn7IVFcMu2BcFO9RO3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There used to be a lot of state run broadcasters in Europe that didn't do either. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com That's truth all around the world. Pirates get more listeners than commercial stations everywhere! Why? I suppose that they don't have a paper saying "license" isn't the reason that listeners staying tune at them from the first moment the dial/scan hit one of them at radios! Think about it... they make "radio" and not profit! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jan 29 17:37:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33975 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 01:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 01:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 01:37:37 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.93] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090129193719000777800010.0) with SMTP id <20090129193719000777800010> for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:37:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01a201c9827b$fb9f9e20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:37:19 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KSEG FM 96.9 Sacramento Ca X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=oMxjuWrEUMvSrkL-RSV2bK2nyxbG5LSQhWR6ackGBnrniboxWckZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There goes Air America, Nova M, etc. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Forget bringing back the Fairness Doctrine, mandate local content. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jan 29 17:40:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45480 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 01:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 01:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 01:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.93] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090129193932000415900017.0) with SMTP id <20090129193932000415900017> for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:39:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01b701c9827c$4ab066c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:39:32 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=8WmlHlRch2OvxeF6gHEC26FkzF_OujlM4zHQoWTA-vj_Hhtj8etP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Which is absolutely useless dynamic range in most moving vehicles. Even the classical stations are running a fair amount of compression during drive times nowadays. I admit it would be nice at home, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com My interest in dbx is because dbx can take a relatively low s/n ratio media, like a cassette tape, and achieve near digital results, typically adding 20 to 40 db of dynamic range. The dbx is a companding system, a *standard* one. The standardization is the key. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 29 18:54:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32907 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 02:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 02:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 02:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2009 02:54:09 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2009 02:54:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:54:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012501c9827a$5e77cba0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.67.106 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: {AMSF} Re:Sony SRF A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Yynck0l2a2HWb2psPvD9i2Qm4PKtr2Yf6H4dP4RafPl4xIhb2CTwqXXIsS29BWJZqAUFwWVL X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > That sounds about right. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: John P.=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > I believe that AMAX portables can get by on a lower rating, like=20 they only have to have a 6KHz frequency response compared to 7.5KHz=20 for true AMAX stereo? Can anyone else confirm this?=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang Ok That tells me I what wanted to know. "Yes" at a lowered=20 rate. Jim Smith NOR CAL From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 29 20:10:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28872 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 04:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 04:10:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 04:10:15 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c2f.4a5a5291 (29672) for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:09:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:09:56 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7useiL8GVFyah0HSJW3ZXfyA0OLHKmvmgbSwoAXjqeAc1ItP-PdmzKc8MmGUeC1e X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's the idea, Scott. I have listened to the *undecoded* dbx signal on the AMS radio in my Roadmaster. It sounds just like a commercial station only a bit brighter and heavier bass. The idea is to use dbx encoding on the air signal. For non-dbx radios and where smaller dynamic range is desired, it seems fine without decoding. Decode it, and you have a signal that is indistinquishable from FM, except without the fading and multipath. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 21:37:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61737 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 05:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 05:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 05:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2009 05:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2009 05:37:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:37:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.231 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=afMMmfUy3zKwD0xSYV7nkyAIM8db7b-ZZSnH8OvemA3oTfXZfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > That's the idea, Scott. >=20 > I have listened to the *undecoded* dbx signal on the AMS radio in my=20 > Roadmaster. It sounds just like a commercial station only a bit=20 brighter and heavier=20 > bass. The idea is to use dbx encoding on the air signal. For non- dbx radios=20 > and where smaller dynamic range is desired, it seems fine without=20 decoding.=20=20 > Decode it, and you have a signal that is indistinquishable from FM,=20 except=20 > without the fading and multipath. >=20 > Mike >=20 > Hi Mike!!! Maybe you're thinking I'm a moron because the next ideas, but they are=20 my feelings: 1) Any AM station needs audio compression because the background noise. 2) It doesn't matter the label of the processor, the final target=20 is "to compress" the original "wide" range (typically from 0 to -60=20 dbs) to get a very "narrow" range (from 0 to -12 dbs). 3) Why just 12 dbs? because the typical AM band background noise,=20 specially in a car, is about this value. You can get a better=20 situation when you are at the transmitter site, but it isn't the=20 normal listener condition. 4) Any digital audio compressor works better than any analog audio=20 compressor. Why? I don't know. I guess it is because it's more easy=20 to "manipulate" the binary digits, but I'm not sure about it. 5) We can get a very good compression in the transmitter part and we=20 can get an acceptable reverse compression in the receiver part. There=20 are some samples about it. BUT I HATE ALL KIND OF AUDIO COMPRESSION BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST THE=20 ORIGINAL MUSICIANS IDEA!!!!!!! Of course, I have to use audio compression. In "my" AM station I use a=20 very old (but very good) Urei BL-40 Modulimiter at an average of 10=20 dbs of peak attenuation. At the same time, all the music, beds,=20 identifications and advertisings are recorded with 3 to 6 dbs of peak=20 limitation. SO... the final signal is a very artificial signal, BUT IT=20 IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO WIN THE BATTLE AGAINST THE NOISE. But, sorry buddy, I repeat: I hate it!!! Your idea is so good, it's great!!! But I don't know how to use in the=20 real world. I mean, What does we win to put the best signal in the air=20 if 9 of 10 today AM tuners sound the worst? Think about one simple sample: I have a Sony "digital" car radio. I=20 mean, it shows the frecuency with an LCD display and it can "read"=20 CDs. It has a very great FM and CD sound, but in AM... without=20 comments!!! What can we do with this reality? The IBOC promised us to solve all the typical AM problems: Frecuency=20 response, Distortion and Noise. Where are those promises today? To use=20 the "new" digital AM technology we have to increase the today carrier=20 power by 10 to get same today analog audio coverage area. Is it a real=20 advance? Also we have to pay an important tax to the IBOC company=20 because they think the broadcasters have to pay because it is "a very=20 great step forward to the radio industry." I wonder if the first=20 transmitter inventor had thought the way IBOC company thinks today,=20 Had we had radio today? No, the digital technology doesn't work good in the AM MW/SW bands.=20 For now, and a very long now, we have to stay with the old but very=20 reliable analog audio. The only one real solution isn't in the broadcasting part. The only=20 one real solution IS IN THE TUNER PART. But... How can we get to change the AM tuner makers mind? Do you have some answer? I don't. Just crazy ideas from a crazy old man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 29 21:38:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97472 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 05:38:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 05:38:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 05:38:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39581 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2009 05:38:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nYAt8mUVM1lKDHx1pBHR7I3ut_IyMJCXzV6kX4hHnTq9YGU6cnx_vNyO37VIBuSKabU2mpbdAespE7ETYEZqQQM2SDTa8mEtDl7DTEuG62H5HHdd8MtWu0yjnfBKhU7B7d8hVtVsOaNQA5_eDxCBKNVzeUMsCZnPw8YEyXkp7e4KuB4K8cQf3aVPyUKjXufKtZUNrzM_NwMnCgIq9gwdBkxxe1uwtlId25GYzl._Cnm.gQEarvap4cgostFHg8iIYEqC_Gi.ewjQGC8_ojWHYfyL X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:38:36 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:38:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <465505.38606.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re:Sony SRF A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=knSxyB33bxO9lr_JpW88WlA_GXDPbf5Yz56W0DeKw2B91g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, the original plan was to require 7.5 on home stereos and car radios, a= nd 6 on portables. As far as I know, though, the only Sony or ANY brand po= rtable AMS that passed AMAX certification was the SRF-A42. Kinda neat, that cheap little portable was keeping company with the likes o= f the TU-680! :>) A lot of good portables can extend out to well above 7.5, as I recall the S= RF-A100 did, but to meet AMAX specs, it had to un-do the NRSC pre-emph curv= e as well, and employ some kind of RF noise reduction. George --- On Thu, 1/29/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net > Subject: {AMSF} Re:Sony SRF A300 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009, 9:54 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ > yahoogroups. com, wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > That sounds about right. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Scott Todd >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 >=20 > > From: John P.=20 >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ > yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > > I believe that AMAX portables can get by on a lower > rating, like=20 >=20 > they only have to have a 6KHz frequency response compared > to 7.5KHz=20 >=20 > for true AMAX stereo? Can anyone else confirm this?=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- >=20 >=20 > http://www.usfamily > .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > > >=20 > Hi Gang Ok That tells me I what wanted to know. > "Yes" at a lowered=20 >=20 > rate. Jim Smith NOR CAL >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 29 22:40:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7104 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 06:40:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 06:40:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 06:40:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c32.488c7811 (41809) for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:40:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:40:18 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=q21XPBl-78V7d05xEb12j4uQ09OASRKaJhloweOuiSwcJDzNxaWoSp9r6QwPZ2k0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, dbx provides for up to 40 dB of compression. So the broadcast signal IS compressed. What seperates dbx from ordinary compression is that it is strictly defined and linear. That makes the original signal fully recoverable. In order for a companding system to work, the compression process on the transmitter end must exactly match the expansion process on the receiver end. The problem with ordinary broadcast processors is they are neither standardized nor linear. Even the same processor can be individually "tuned". Thus it is impossible to properly expand the signal at receiver end. With dbx, the compression ratio is constant with defined attach and release times. So a defined "decoder" with the expansion ration and the same attack and release times can replicate the original signal. Because the dbx companding is linear, it is not level sensitive. There is no threshold. The idea is to provide a high quality fully compatible AM stereo system. HD is not compatible. It has limited range as well as other limitations. A dbx AMS system is fully compatible with all existing radios. It sounds great on my car radio as well as my mono 1941 Zenith console radio. The nice thing about dbx is that it is a simple but proven system. You could put together a AMS dbx system today with just off the shelf components. If you like some compression in the car or don't have a mobile dbx expander (yes, there are ones), fine. You don't need it. If you don't like compression at home, just use an off the shelf dbx decoder and the recovered signal has NO compression. With some refinements, I believe one could build an unbeatable fully compatible C-QUAM dbx stereo system. I think it is workable today with all the shelf components. With a few changes like those used to adapt dbx to stereo TV, it would be fantastic. Aside from all the technical problems with iBOC, a successful high fidelity AM stereo system can't obsolete 99.9+% of all receivers in existance today or have less than 1% penetration of HD capable receivers in an already declining audience. The dbx function could be implemented in DSP as well as a peak limiting function. As for the hiss on the compressed signal, that is minor compared the old Level Devils and Sta-Levels. Both used a very slow release times by design. Those right a tight board. If there was much dead air, they would provide a very audible recovery known as "breathing". Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 05:10:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60642 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 13:10:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 13:10:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 13:10:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61439 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2009 13:10:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .bZH6goVM1mkA89OPsmJWS5eHVYrSAoBCh21nvnqmRsEJvEcvZ7.D0_M6qexRWsnGRN4PRF8vUpfUSwEGBmJLjYgKIFIYfRslgZOyIhupzltjEYdAT5H_cRi3Qhns5QZ5cGN6Lo4dXHjzrneYYo3yGwud_d443neLHP2xHnWaDsY4w-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:10:00 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:10:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <965914.60927.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Sony SRF A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=267odmcOSz2YY5Dnma08cOvBXS332KNls8RF20cScwoDG_AUeOqHiAg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I believe that the SRF-A100 went out to 12-13KHz with the treble turned-up, but it didn't have noise blanker circuitry, otherwise it was AMAX as far as frequency response. Didn't the Delco UX-1 meet AMAX? From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 06:39:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40702 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 14:39:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 14:39:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 14:39:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2009 14:39:45 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.231] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2009 14:39:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:39:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.233 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1uxJ_gTZ-lbZ1VGmdnmcJKISF5AALzgvQxDMkQce_yyxRmWhrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > dbx provides for up to 40 dB of compression. So the broadcast=20 signal IS=20 > compressed. >=20 > What seperates dbx from ordinary compression is that it is=20 strictly defined=20 > and linear. That makes the original signal fully recoverable.=20=20 In order for=20 > a companding system to work, the compression process on the=20 transmitter end=20 > must exactly match the expansion process on the receiver end. >=20 > The problem with ordinary broadcast processors is they are neither=20 > standardized nor linear. Even the same processor can be=20 individually "tuned". Thus it=20 > is impossible to properly expand the signal at receiver end. With=20 dbx, the=20 > compression ratio is constant with defined attach and release=20 times. So a=20 > defined "decoder" with the expansion ration and the same attack=20 and release times=20 > can replicate the original signal. Because the dbx companding is=20 linear, it is=20 > not level sensitive. There is no threshold. >=20 > The idea is to provide a high quality fully compatible AM stereo=20 system. HD=20 > is not compatible. It has limited range as well as other=20 limitations. A dbx=20 > AMS system is fully compatible with all existing radios. It=20 sounds great on=20 > my car radio as well as my mono 1941 Zenith console radio. >=20 > The nice thing about dbx is that it is a simple but proven=20 system. You could=20 > put together a AMS dbx system today with just off the shelf=20 components. If=20 > you like some compression in the car or don't have a mobile dbx=20 expander (yes,=20 > there are ones), fine. You don't need it. If you don't like=20 compression at=20 > home, just use an off the shelf dbx decoder and the recovered=20 signal has NO=20 > compression. >=20 > With some refinements, I believe one could build an unbeatable=20 fully=20 > compatible C-QUAM dbx stereo system. I think it is workable today=20 with all the shelf=20 > components. With a few changes like those used to adapt dbx to=20 stereo TV, it=20 > would be fantastic. >=20 > Aside from all the technical problems with iBOC, a successful high=20 fidelity=20 > AM stereo system can't obsolete 99.9+% of all receivers in=20 existance today or=20 > have less than 1% penetration of HD capable receivers in an=20 already declining=20 > audience. >=20 > The dbx function could be implemented in DSP as well as a peak=20 limiting=20 > function.=20=20 >=20 > As for the hiss on the compressed signal, that is minor compared=20 the old=20 > Level Devils and Sta-Levels. Both used a very slow release times=20 by design.=20=20 > Those right a tight board. If there was much dead air, they would=20 provide a very=20 > audible recovery known as "breathing". >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hi Mike!!! Believe it or not, that "breathing" effect is the best to your idea. What? Well, it is hard to figure out but easy to do to any digital device:=20 it just have to put attention about this "ultra" sound and it have=20 to try to "level out" it. There was something like this in the past, in some cartridges and=20 cassettes: the encoder recorded a subsonic signal which varied with=20 the amount of compression, then the decoder had to level out this=20 special signal and the desired signal returned to its original=20 state. I'm not sure why this technique didn't survive the time. Whatever, any compressed audio can recover with the appropiate=20 reverse compressor (backward expander). The problem is about=20 the "modulated" artifacts. What? Most of the one audio band compressors and limiters, modulate the=20 whole final product according to the strongest frecuency presents in=20 the audio signal. For example, if in some part of the song there is a very strong bass=20 note, all the rest of the frecuencies will be lower with a very ugly=20 and nasty final effect. The same with any other strong frecuency. In that case, I guess it is impossible to recover the original=20 signal. Of course, to fix it we just have to use multi-band audio=20 compressors. Adobe Audition has a very good tool about it. My version, the old=20 Cool Edit Pro, doesn't have multiband processor but we can process=20 an specific band first, then another, and so and on. With this line,=20 we can "extract" the hiss noise and/or the rumble noise too. Have you tried the "Sound Solution V1.2" plug in to the standard=20 WinAmp software? It is a quasy Orban Optimod audio processor, maybe=20 best in some aspects, absolutely free and you can download from=20 http://www.soundsolution.it web page. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w6yn@juno.com Fri Jan 30 09:58:06 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30587;u=;t=1234826422;m=813177173;s=1339164017; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 30 11:16:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91560 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 19:16:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 19:16:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 19:16:55 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cae.3f955076 (29673) for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:16:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:16:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Actual "Off Air" Sample of dbx encoded AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lJmKb2UnvdH1CPxoLSSp-2bnJitFsXKlJhlASYVemA9CYLM785vbybXCzgTKsNlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, The dbx system does not require a sub- or supersonic signal to detect the level of compression. The system got around this requirement with a linear compressor. The amount of gain is a linear function of the level. The change is gain required at any level is always the same proportion as the change in level. So the system is not absolute level sensitive, a key to its application in AM broadcasting. The dbx system used the rms value in a limited frequency range which excludes the bass region so it doesn't have audible "pumping". Listen to the WAV file. The attack and decay times are such that there are no created artifacts in the audio region. DBX Type 2 systems add a 75 usec pre-emphasis, which coincidentally is the same as U.S. AMAX. How is that for compatibility? So long as it is linear, one could built as complex multiband compression system as they wish. However, it has to be standardized and easily recoverable. Remember, the inverse system has to be relatively inexpensive to be incorporated in the radio. The advantage I see to dbx is that it is an existing already developed system. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 30 11:28:09 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30589;u=;t=1234826423;m=278461611;s=4198006094; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jan 30 11:45:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9839 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 19:45:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 19:45:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 19:45:20 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bfe.566f85cf (29673) for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:45:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:45:15 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: GM Car Radios with AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=9ytCBmOISvJJtXR1P7c6_hUai_-mkO15pMyCpGqtz_HO7mWNd_SqgaA8nHVJgk41 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have a catalog of OEM GM radios in the 1994 to 1996 era? I have a GM Delco Concert II in my 1994 Roadmaster. However, the only way I learned it was an AMS radio was when the Stereo indicator came on with WLS. I am looking at another slightly newer Roadmaster but don't know how to tell if the radio is AMS or not. Mike ************** From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Jan 30 13:32:29 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30591;u=;t=1234826423;m=673845115;s=4198006094; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 30 15:40:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20873 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2009 23:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2009 23:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2009 23:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.30] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090130173932003149300010.0) with SMTP id <20090130173932003149300010> for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:39:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007101c98334$b45e8080$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:39:32 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} GM Car Radios with AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Xsoq47s2dDEonjnZEm97MWSrnHLfGA16W3DOGoB7WcUDY6i2wMSR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think GM had any AM stereo radios after 2000 or 2001. Your best bet would be to buy or borrow an Alfredo Lite transmitter and take it with you. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:45 PM I am looking at another slightly newer Roadmaster but don't know how to tell if the radio is AMS or not. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 16:22:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2670 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2009 00:22:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2009 00:22:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2009 00:22:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24499 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2009 00:22:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: R.4u6gEVM1kOW0owVQpjlPkUWzH.2qULhFgCcUK_tWZkRsnzZZmJyoHFXLoEZc8dxF7ufSF5VCRil.EEVKPfvmw1LZKSTkJPCFLyehtvNDxxX9WwJulQO4vPbjAc82VvoLvJ1w8_HnNqZdi9ysDWKZEDut7.ipVh1OjQx.SVR8neifbBh1cy4r5nNnAsiANSMSDYwbkZAKdlyK.GBGrHmtbn12yQbyivupzeDO5xyPssCWrrRxauLuuN1hvPziJWAEGEmNUAuqxNfjAFaZ1papk6 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:22:23 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:22:23 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <258151.24181.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF A300 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TKUbgDPrEgEqyI3plK59uynHfiIGB6pHqe46_xzK7qlEbg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Not sure about the Delco, maybe was. There were originally THREE requireme= nts for AMAX, and to pass a receiver had to have at least two, but I don't = recall what the third was, besides 7.5 and a noise blanker. As for all this DBX discussion, I wish somebody would just do it un-announc= ed on a legal station...and see if anybody notices! Sure sounds like a winning idea to me! G --- On Fri, 1/30/09, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF A300 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 8:10 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > I believe that the SRF-A100 went out to > 12-13KHz with the treble turned-up, but it didn't have > noise blanker circuitry, otherwise it was AMAX as far as > frequency response. >=20 > Didn't the Delco UX-1 meet AMAX? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 20:50:45 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30594;u=;t=1234826423;m=441779001;s=4198006094; From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 20:58:14 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30595;u=;t=1234826423;m=221171357;s=4198006094; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 21:02:26 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30596;u=;t=1234826423;m=544196235;s=4198006094; From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 21:07:39 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30597;u=;t=1234826423;m=1078739723;s=4198006094; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 21:16:18 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30598;u=;t=1234826423;m=2012902031;s=4198006094; From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 21:19:57 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30599;u=;t=1234826423;m=1116062370;s=4198006094; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 21:31:58 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30600;u=;t=1234826423;m=1094834791;s=4198006094; From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 30 21:40:22 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30601;u=;t=1234826423;m=94259856;s=4198006094; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 30 22:00:38 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30602;u=;t=1234826423;m=1129663164;s=4198006094; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 30 23:18:58 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30603;u=;t=1234826423;m=968751148;s=4198006094; From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jan 31 02:06:09 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30604;u=;t=1234826424;m=1278232135;s=4198006094; From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Sat Jan 31 03:13:58 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30605;u=;t=1234826424;m=253363358;s=4198006094; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 31 17:20:21 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30606;u=;t=1234826424;m=818611786;s=4198006094; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 01 15:40:43 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30607;u=;t=1234826424;m=216248563;s=4198006094; From w6yn@juno.com Sun Feb 01 16:46:14 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30608;u=;t=1234826424;m=1093851640;s=4198006094; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 01 19:37:44 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30609;u=;t=1234826424;m=418186301;s=4198006094; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 01 19:45:53 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30610;u=;t=1234826424;m=327288212;s=4198006094; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Feb 01 20:09:59 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30611;u=;t=1234826424;m=1713617253;s=4198006094; From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sun Feb 01 20:36:18 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30612;u=;t=1234826388;m=469899964;s=4198006094; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 01 21:21:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70643 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2009 05:21:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2009 05:21:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.184) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2009 05:21:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50346 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2009 05:21:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i4j0t9) (jimsmith95650@75.41.74.7 with login) by smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2009 05:21:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oHWFrD8VM1mPyz6LUZpeWPwu8x81fIDi.7aiI1lyJ.BOI10Aj6Ny.m6xUcIPeBRPi5YPcUCLVyp4UDbemoOQagONo1VFSlILLiHN10dv.QRe70kVrMv0s8MhxvrLxeW4BXf2j0RketE.pHSc6qOtTU1G X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001001c984f6$48192b00$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:22:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: And now back to broadcasting !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=DijsIpSWH7svr8LHGGsVFRpk-UO-SaNXQz-EPE_MMidiWAQg1c6c-T9OhzC-xbfYT26Z4fVD X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang So I did not read any thing realy in responce to me helping KSEG FM 96.9 with there format. Jim Smith NOR CAL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Feb 02 08:24:29 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30614;u=;t=1234826389;m=2063331685;s=4198006094; From w6yn@juno.com Mon Feb 02 09:01:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86052 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2009 17:01:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2009 17:01:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2009 17:01:18 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE2QKXFAZLS5MS for (sender ); Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:00:21 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD/KKa1DdF5JEHV3g1nqr6ys= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N8EMXU48; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:59:34 PST X-Received: from [76.194.243.32] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:58:28 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:58:28 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090202.085828.3100.1@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3853237829 X-MAIL-INFO:28911c5d91898915691c5d09c59c0dcddc615cbcad25ad983869812cf5f8f8c9f17188e8c91d8d4c4c2958a17159695d8cf1f18ca56c5db1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} And now back to broadcasting !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=f5X8rP9R4PlcITLxeiJ7qJ--nn38lJKbYaTFlwDLfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Some 2009-model cars are shipping without AM/FM radios. At least eight car models, says consumer electronics site Twice.com. They'r= e mostly vehicles toward the lower end of the price range, like the Nissan = Versa 1.6 Base and the Nissan Altima 2.5 and the Honda Civic DX. Twice.com = figures that the stripped version of the Nissan Versa doesn=92t have power = locks or windows, AC, ABS brakes =96 or a factory-installed radio. The base= price is thus down around $10,685. The site says the Toyota Yaris two-door= liftback, Chevrolet Aveo LS, Ford F-150 XL regular cab truck (!) and the P= ontiac Solstice can be had without a radio or CD player. It=92s an opportun= ity for after-market sales, for sure =96 but also an invitation for an iPod= -using driver to avoid radio altogether. WiMax anyone? -- wrote: Hi Gang So I did not read any thing realy in responce to me helping KSEG FM= 96.9 with there format. Jim Smith NOR CAL From w6yn@juno.com Mon Feb 02 09:37:23 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30616;u=;t=1234826389;m=260353318;s=4198006094; From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Feb 02 12:02:55 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30617;u=;t=1234826389;m=5463863;s=4198006094; From w6yn@juno.com Mon Feb 02 14:17:29 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30618;u=;t=1234826389;m=1677550111;s=4198006094; From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Feb 02 14:33:33 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30619;u=;t=1234826389;m=1579167336;s=4198006094; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 14:45:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61391 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2009 22:45:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2009 22:45:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2009 22:45:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2009 22:45:31 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2009 22:45:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:45:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001c984f6$48192b00$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.208 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: And now back to broadcasting !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=lkMDOhiwLLHQ7CMQgK5Fq6pcrg3gonJZj7ZLAuLRkZw5GmQN1w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang So I did not read any thing realy in responce to me helping=20 KSEG FM 96.9 with there format. Jim Smith NOR CAL >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Jim!!! Sorry, I lost your question. Could you repeat it, please? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 14:45:35 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30621;u=;t=1234826389;m=1009834031;s=4198006094; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 14:52:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49307 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2009 22:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2009 22:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2009 22:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2009 22:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.227] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2009 22:52:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:52:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.208 From: "jotape1960" Subject: AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mufeB1ZAN0iv0XCEsjPbYKCEeIz7yPkgCNNKy16ut50kC2a3cg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I had done this question before but I don't remember any answer. If we use an AM tower connected directly to ground, and we use=20 isolated wires as the real antenna, Do we need to use isolators in the=20 supporting guys (wires) around the tower as in a typical installation? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 02 18:45:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41932 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2009 02:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2009 02:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2009 02:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2009 02:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2009 02:45:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 02:45:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.189.253 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: And now back to broadcasting !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=7NA5U7pIMUKF7Q5rQZ9iQovlsJBHs2JV8nzL_G60fMIxWcYXt1sGBITHcwiQB-PC68-WGOzI X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Gang So I did not read any thing realy in responce to me=20 helping=20 > KSEG FM 96.9 with there format. Jim Smith NOR CAL > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 > Hi Jim!!! >=20 > Sorry, I lost your question. Could you repeat it, please? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love Hi Jaun I would be glad to repeat a radio related subject. About 2=20 years ago my local radio station 96.9 FM THE EAGALE KSEG Sacramento=20 Ca was starting to have a hard time of it and they had a small play=20 list from 1985 to about 1992 and they called that classic rock give=20 me a brake. And they said they did not know what to do. So I e-mailed=20 them and said for one thing that every time you did request that they=20 where older then there normal play list and after some more words I=20 had tolled them if you want to know what we want just ask us. Well=20 one of the DJ's thought it as a joke and read it over the air and a=20 fue days later a DJ said on the air that they had a great response=20=20 and had many people e-mail them and they have been listenig to=20 there listeners ever sense and they have been doing a lot better. So=20 what I was saying that I had not got a real response from that. At=20 least one thing we're back on a radio topic. Jim Smith NOR CAL From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Feb 02 21:02:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34561 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2009 05:02:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2009 05:02:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2009 05:02:13 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d56.1b701f60 (30737) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 00:02:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 00:02:01 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And now back to broadcasting !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=q3DGOqCJsHm15uxyJKvTP4rPjR2ND4K261HaXZitJVw8iaNbkZcvUMVZHGjd8qij X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting enough, we have "The Eagle" here in El Dorado. I don't know when stations had to be "The Something or Another". Back in St. Louis, there is an FMer that is "classic rock". Geez, they play songs in a tighter rotation than when these songs were actually on Billboard. There is now a service or services that provide total programming from a distance. You sent them the commercial spots, any jingles, PSAs, etc. and your get your complete on-air programming from afar. I guess you just load the programming on the computer and go off an sell time or whatever. The service has a music library which it can select if you don't want to take the time to do so. Incidentally, even though my neighbor left town a month ago, he is still doing the local morning show. It's all automated. The time announcements are almost right while the weather is sometimes way off. This same station has had 70 minutes of dead air right in the middle of the day. I called the station and got their voice mail. You would think that at least ONE person in the station's employ would be listening to their own signal, even at home or in the car, at all times. Not so. Mike ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Feb 02 21:10:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99509 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2009 05:10:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2009 05:10:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2009 05:10:01 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bcd.461f0667 (30737) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 00:09:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 00:09:57 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=W5bIouPGcGtHYVdclPbXizoReSuE_0lC4zKj5j48grO5Zzhbrf6KG7azD9sbjzp0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, the tower guys wires must be insulated as the RF voltage along the tower is not zero. Basically a shunt fed tower is tapped at some height such that the real component is 50 ohms. Then it just takes a vacuum capacitor to cancel the reactive component to match it the transmission line. Mike ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Feb 02 21:25:52 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30626;u=;t=1234826389;m=1905168590;s=4198006094; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 02 21:34:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98154 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2009 05:34:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2009 05:34:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2009 05:34:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88016 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2009 05:34:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ccos6igVM1mm8SygFAd4tVudAcYtNzgNBTrCvy5pvzQ6L9Z10EkOJBwkOhM6h8S_igStU46_O7elC3Vg_UEz58bMIpa4b1uJLmT4PJlIo3rqiIcYUgtpbDxuNTKNGFj.fJJ1QGWW.ny9xqWMKB1QVxFyWF2Sb0FAHj_cmD7Uy8ZeG9kCT5maaxYOohNtVAatQkbn1pgGKyPbp6recDN90Fn4IthXBF6.Quw36mYXOYxyP8wEcC2lbiTBxbwTPxUe._uVMlBIQwjnuR9aPbRoPmZ9 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:34:32 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:34:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <804493.87989.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And now back to broadcasting !!!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=rqIIlvWUuJO9hbvmT9YRb-IyZ3Il7Wwgk-j_w-ur_Yos6w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 There is also "The Eagle" XHNK in Nuevo Loredo, Tamaulipas/Texas, same thing, classic rock...and horrible boardwork! (or bad computer?) We have one here in Motown called "Doug FM", and the sole announcer, who sounds like Garfield the Cat, just keeps saying "Doug FM...we play EVERYTHING!". (They mean it, I once heard them go from a Frank Sinatra to a John Trivolta to a Duran Duran to a 60's Beatles cut. Sounds like format mutilation at it's worst! G --- On Tue, 2/3/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: And now back to broadcasting !!!!!! > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 12:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting enough, we have "The > Eagle" here in El Dorado. I don't know when > > stations had to be "The Something or Another". > > > > Back in St. Louis, there is an FMer that is "classic > rock". Geez, they play > > songs in a tighter rotation than when these songs were > actually on Billboard. > > > > There is now a service or services that provide total > programming from a > > distance. You sent them the commercial spots, any jingles, > PSAs, etc. and your > > get your complete on-air programming from afar. I guess > you just load the > > programming on the computer and go off an sell time or > whatever. The service has > > a music library which it can select if you don't want > to take the time to do > > so. > > > > Incidentally, even though my neighbor left town a month > ago, he is still > > doing the local morning show. It's all automated. The > time announcements are > > almost right while the weather is sometimes way off. This > same station has had > > 70 minutes of dead air right in the middle of the day. I > called the station > > and got their voice mail. > > > > You would think that at least ONE person in the > station's employ would be > > listening to their own signal, even at home or in the car, > at all times. Not so. > > > > Mike > > > > ************ ** > > Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to > > > stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com? > ncid=emlcntaolco m00000022) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From w6yn@juno.com Tue Feb 03 07:20:09 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30628;u=;t=1234826389;m=830978898;s=4198006094; From w6yn@juno.com Tue Feb 03 07:43:45 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30629;u=;t=1234826389;m=1528407963;s=4016753192; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Feb 03 08:23:36 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30630;u=;t=1234826389;m=31020094;s=747410687; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 08:40:33 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30631;u=;t=1234826389;m=1310655;s=747410687; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 08:43:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13862 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2009 16:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2009 16:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2009 16:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2009 16:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2009 16:43:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:43:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.89 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=AvoyRXGz8MtVeFcT7eaGJ2hmPBs4Yb-9Ydhoq-Gjm-498GTvvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Yes, the tower guys wires must be insulated as the RF voltage=20 along the tower=20 > is not zero. Basically a shunt fed tower is tapped at some height=20 such that=20 > the real component is 50 ohms. Then it just takes a vacuum=20 capacitor to=20 > cancel the reactive component to match it the transmission line. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hi Mike!!! What a hell!!! I will have to look for the damned isolators,=20 HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Some idea about where I can find something like that? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love From w6yn@juno.com Tue Feb 03 08:56:36 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30633;u=;t=1234826389;m=19607186;s=747410687; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Feb 03 09:30:51 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30634;u=;t=1234826389;m=688771798;s=747410687; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Feb 03 09:33:21 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30635;u=;t=1234826389;m=1067114514;s=747410687; From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 12:04:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23232 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2009 20:04:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2009 20:04:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2009 20:04:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16635 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2009 20:04:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lOOGTZgVM1kfIaJ16R7NBJ_2IcKf5uvkCxqCB2R2b.VI47A0GdbrKXLbWK_sNJDjWFQdI5hG_7ds7UM6eU1hf73rmugQq9VwYYCPatYXOgbzVWOXQyyWB7q.DNcIcl6l9QUXUi6Coe8M24Ahf1XjAdISiCKM0vMyEbE6zaFsWYjr9w-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:04:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 12:04:47 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <527066.16385.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: CC C-Quam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=2WRThznPfn7r289FLlgSIRga_6hXv_cLb-87UHkYXRAhldZlMYA2aE0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Maybe Clear Channel is selling one of their C-Quam exciters on eBay, as it's from San Antonio? From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 03 12:47:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40375 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2009 20:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2009 20:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2009 20:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.be7.45dc5c7a (14502) for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:46:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:46:53 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=z0BI-RYlhIW_aM5XaYMXlFTlKXBJY5oiq-1evJNid7G3aD-QckZcGZqwwk46rnRb X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I can look for some insulators. They're actually quite common as perhaps 90% or more of AM towers in the U.S. are guyed. What size are the guy wires and how much tension strength is required? Mike ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 13:58:59 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30638;u=;t=1234826389;m=1749563809;s=747410687; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 14:54:18 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30639;u=;t=1234826389;m=357366772;s=747410687; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 14:59:44 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30640;u=;t=1234826390;m=1062052884;s=747410687; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 03 16:00:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6920 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2009 00:00:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2009 00:00:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2009 00:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.3] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090203175959000311800010.0) with SMTP id <20090203175959000311800010> for ; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:59:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010d01c9865c$3ea9d300$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <527066.16385.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:59:59 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CC C-Quam? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Hx6UD-bS0HIWXANPRzbB8fwCSgsidYay2e453t6Hr9olEUMrwTHg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this an ebay item? Link? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 Maybe Clear Channel is selling one of their C-Quam exciters on eBay, as it's from San Antonio? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 03 16:00:56 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30642;u=;t=1234826444;m=762349448;s=747410687; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Feb 03 16:04:20 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30643;u=;t=1234826445;m=1042166215;s=747410687; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 03 16:08:33 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30644;u=;t=1234826445;m=755440042;s=4198006094; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 03 16:11:55 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30645;u=;t=1234826445;m=1196683652;s=2946045635; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 03 16:35:20 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30646;u=;t=1234826445;m=1444503500;s=747410687; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 16:39:52 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30647;u=;t=1234826445;m=1341030783;s=747410687; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 03 17:10:03 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30648;u=;t=1234826445;m=688187749;s=747410687; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 18:08:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18111 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2009 02:08:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2009 02:08:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2009 02:08:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2009 02:08:37 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2009 02:08:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:08:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.202 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=O7GvRXiV4Npewgupdd4P6-3jP4QuXGa2GnIUHL1bTW84diBv7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > I can look for some insulators. They're actually quite common as=20 perhaps 90%=20 > or more of AM towers in the U.S. are guyed.=20=20=20 >=20 > What size are the guy wires and how much tension strength is=20 required? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hi Mike!!! This is exactly my great problem: I DON'T KNOW!!! I've looked for that here and I've just found some plastic elements=20 which are used in electric installations, but there isn't a tension=20 strenght specification. Our today tower has a lot of glass insulators (I guess it is a very=20 special glass). All of them looks well, but we never know how is the=20 exact situation after 48 years of continuous use. I don't have found=20 insulators like these, here. Any idea, please let me know, ok? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 18:12:51 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30650;u=;t=1234826445;m=1071547571;s=2363705132; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 20:15:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36522 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2009 04:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2009 04:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2009 04:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2009 04:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.200] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2009 04:15:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:15:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.202 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Vintage radiorecorders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=8HVrfkFR_EXvWkBZ4J0dj_YwagzkFE3tfhyhLhvhci8F2-6N5Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody in this forum knows where in the web I could find=20 information about the very good series of radiorecorders made in the=20 last half of the 1970's and early 1980's (Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic,=20 etc). I mean those typical devices with the wide analog dial in the upper=20 place, the cassette in the middle and the speakers at right and left=20 place of the cassette part. Any news, please let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From keith1226@yahoo.com Tue Feb 03 21:07:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9062 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2009 05:07:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2009 05:07:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.145) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2009 05:07:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62195 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2009 05:07:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2PjjkjsVM1l29n_yUGon.U7QpJv7GWd8SAav4aHZMyIlIfFqt8cRDYi7J5Ed67oAwMByf9KRv2TPlyIRvwTNH6PVftmzEGM8LbD1ay5Tkamq9kX6HuRfeUNXZpFsw8CD222xd7cHAn5aw38ESnRdq590liTZ2yt5vsbpYacNobM5ybUNMdc7Ip5vLs3JZzH4R6mywcbfZ.9QM85saIlQXPnUGuopd.QsZSHwPxQQhBTxt8r_4Utm0ZjkhwIil0ftDz59vOHlOrpsjXiuZaOqFRM79CtaR4s5d4tAFb.Eab8- X-Received: from [76.22.30.107] by web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:07:16 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:07:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <169646.60112.qm@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vintage radiorecorders X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=CKzNJGppsLPE47QcNlHX_4LQQEDnKflKapr1BB7G2oAvMXUg X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Hi Juan,=20 That's funny; I just asked a question about those in another group. In U.S. English, they are commonly know as "boomboxes" (because of their bi= g, booming sound and boxlike shape). I know there is at least one website d= evoted to them but I can't remember the URL. Best regards,=20 Keith=20 --- On Tue, 2/3/09, jotape1960 wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: {AMSF} Vintage radiorecorders > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 8:15 PM > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I wonder if somebody in this forum knows where in the web I > could find=20 > information about the very good series of radiorecorders > made in the=20 > last half of the 1970's and early 1980's (Sony, > Pioneer, Panasonic,=20 > etc). >=20 > I mean those typical devices with the wide analog dial in > the upper=20 > place, the cassette in the middle and the speakers at right > and left=20 > place of the cassette part. >=20 > Any news, please let me know. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From w6yn@juno.com Wed Feb 04 07:53:46 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30653;u=;t=1234826458;m=1007174603;s=405314087; From w6yn@juno.com Wed Feb 04 08:01:51 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30654;u=;t=1234826458;m=1635957190;s=2104808262; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Feb 04 08:10:12 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30655;u=;t=1234826458;m=1522997826;s=3057317044; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Feb 04 08:40:55 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30656;u=;t=1234826458;m=13562734;s=337691049; From w6yn@juno.com Wed Feb 04 09:33:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35026 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2009 17:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2009 17:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2009 17:33:21 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail06.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.146]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE2VWL7ALXY6AS for (sender ); Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:33:17 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDzCJtUGLTY7PeIfDXAB1hsM= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail06.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N8KUMVJB; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:32:39 PST X-Received: from [76.194.243.32] by webmail06.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:32:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:32:14 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090204.093214.16717.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:1784254571 X-MAIL-INFO:1597ab9aabdbde4adab78a3ac3732b077e9fcbcf3b7e3baf13979fcf1ad317efaa5e9ebb9a3aaadaf74acaceaadbf7fe1b67036703022b X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.146|webmail06.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Centenial of first broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=s8cBvdG-rC5NU3o7UequRT_TnfEliJbF8URdmBdXcg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Some folks hail Charles Herrold as the true father of broadcasting, and cal= l 2009 the 100th anniversary of his achievement. There are plaques down at = the corner of First and San Fernando Streets in San Jose, testifying to Her= rold=92s pioneering work. In 1909, he and his students placed a microphone = in front of a phonograph, sent the signal to a transmitter, whose transmiss= ions were picked up by early crystal-set hobbyists who called and asked for= more music to be played. Sounds a lot like =93broadcasting=94, doesn=92t i= t? Marconi was more interested in point-to-point transmissions than what we= think of as broadcasting.=20 Read all about it here: http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_11593756 From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 04 11:24:08 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30658;u=;t=1234826458;m=2050932596;s=3057317044; From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 04 11:30:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19023 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2009 19:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2009 19:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2009 19:30:39 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bd0.487fdba1 (29678) for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:29:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:29:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=L8o8SJtgsOLhdiOQ6cFZHoA_HtDxUJ77GoTs-Ancc9C-MkpYZKRMZebN1aIsoAsF X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The tensile strength requirement is more of a structural engineering question than an electrical one. Do you have access to a tensometer to measure the tension on the guy cables? I take it there are turnbuckles on the anchors? Mike ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 04 11:39:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18215 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2009 19:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2009 19:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m21.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.2) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2009 19:38:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bea.37003d70 (29678) for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:38:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:38:14 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=F4p0lvsCaDNkm3kJWVhkLf7QK2CH7ZPwDweVqOp7AasIMqX4SO6dV-lwAGEvTL0L X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Take a look at this: Click here: Porcelain Guy Strain Insulator (33,000 Ibs. ultimate strength): Antenna Systems & Solutions There is a company that has computer software to spec what kind of insulator is required. Click here: Tower Insulators I had not idea how expensive these things were. More than $300 apiece, for something that only weighs 5 lbs? There are a fair number of dead stations around in the U.S.. I am surprised nobody has canabalised their tower insulators. Mike ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 04 11:45:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80424 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2009 19:45:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2009 19:45:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2009 19:45:05 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d5e.4277bb8b (29678) for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:44:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:44:35 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6EagZUv4gR23ma-SjcwdUmmvu1Q48ml41zaLN9YNSjgHA8uk2FS3toGFwCnOcMiR X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, These folks might have tower that could sell you. It's for 1240 and not 1260, but you could fiddle with ATU. 442 feet sounds tall for 1240. Mike Click here: KSON-AM Tower Blows Over ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Feb 04 15:32:55 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30662;u=;t=1234826468;m=1971541037;s=3057317044; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Feb 04 16:40:21 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30663;u=;t=1234826468;m=246173091;s=754318664; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Feb 04 16:41:56 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30664;u=;t=1234826474;m=839616624;s=4113136027; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 04 18:24:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96629 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2009 02:24:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2009 02:24:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.186) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2009 02:24:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11047 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2009 02:24:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i4j0t9) (jimsmith95650@75.8.230.132 with login) by smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2009 02:24:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: m6Dpi08VM1nxCxNMtPRIExhzdIwh24I0y2wV.rknPVrkF.swoGJMLlEB7B4xtRDQJOGUcQKJO1a0NsLXK.cr5GdnHwaiDDpqrtWOjyueGPrpRMRDLMVe7P7TQSRtia.M7vwvWIOyA5RGHFnU4DeHj22e X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000c01c98739$15ff2c60$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:25:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Format change?? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=T5csZoSQknJMRA3ZGZlzK3YZ6T-KiGZIxS96UZHmFe3iVwDrYRIH9heP6otT4giIatNhsBMd X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Did I hear that a radio station is changing there format from talk to talk?? That music bill is like K-SUK!!!!!! Jim Smith NOR CAL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Feb 04 18:33:22 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30666;u=;t=1234826480;m=807942259;s=4113136027; From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 04 21:57:04 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30667;u=;t=1234826485;m=1627087828;s=3057317044; From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 04 22:01:29 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30668;u=;t=1234826489;m=495147025;s=4113136027; From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 04 22:09:35 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30669;u=;t=1234826534;m=620347634;s=4113136027; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Feb 04 22:22:40 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30670;u=;t=1234826523;m=1799058764;s=4113136027; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Feb 04 22:25:20 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30671;u=;t=1234826523;m=898626247;s=3057317044; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Feb 04 22:29:10 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30672;u=;t=1234826523;m=1112097413;s=4113136027; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Feb 04 22:32:23 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30673;u=;t=1234826523;m=1456109599;s=4113136027; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Feb 04 22:45:32 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30674;u=;t=1234826523;m=878801228;s=3057317044; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 04:56:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92056 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2009 12:56:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2009 12:56:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2009 12:56:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2009 12:56:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2009 12:56:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:56:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090204.093214.16717.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.110 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Centenial of first broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=cBsEto6SgZqzCR3XWd-WoIFZDUuJ1_vIdrkF9y3l_ugyGF3QrA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury"=20 wrote: > > Some folks hail Charles Herrold as the true father of=20 broadcasting, and call 2009 the 100th anniversary of his=20 achievement. There are plaques down at the corner of First and San=20 Fernando Streets in San Jose, testifying to Herrold's pioneering=20 work. In 1909, he and his students placed a microphone in front of a=20 phonograph, sent the signal to a transmitter, whose transmissions=20 were picked up by early crystal-set hobbyists who called and asked=20 for more music to be played. Sounds a lot like "broadcasting",=20 doesn't it? Marconi was more interested in point-to-point=20 transmissions than what we think of as broadcasting.=20 >=20 > Read all about it here: > http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_11593756 > Interesting. Which was the "official" first broadcast event in the world? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 05:05:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77834 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2009 13:05:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2009 13:05:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2009 13:05:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2009 13:05:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2009 13:05:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:05:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.110 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=tkOQMgLlhoA4Iwenr8_Bjr06r4XX0q3yNSfRSAUASv2HyS45sw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > These folks might have tower that could sell you. It's for 1240=20 and not=20 > 1260, but you could fiddle with ATU. 442 feet sounds tall for=20 1240. >=20 > Mike >=20 > Click here: KSON-AM Tower Blows Over >=20 Hi Mike!!! Thank you so much for your time!!! But I just need the insulators. I'll have the new tower and the guy=20 wires in two months. That is the "easy part" of the history. My=20 great problems are: the guy wires insulators and the underground=20 radials. I hope I'll be able to re-make the underground radials (I will be a=20 local bank slave for the rest of my life, but it is the only way to=20 do it). I don't know what to do with the insulators. Maybe I'll use the same 48 years old pieces. Hahahahaha!!! What if I don't use insulators? Well... I trust in God. Some solution will be. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 05:14:30 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30677;u=;t=1234826523;m=785069643;s=4113136027; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 05:32:00 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30678;u=;t=1234826523;m=1605543067;s=4113136027; From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 05 08:33:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6626 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2009 16:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2009 16:33:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2009 16:33:31 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE2YFG4AZNAVX2 for (sender ); Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:33:30 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5LkJJjpCORcoDRykXTk0P0= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N8NBMMR3; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:33:09 PST X-Received: from [76.194.243.32] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:32:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:32:10 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090205.083210.2706.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 10:5:1889807289 X-MAIL-INFO:2c89699c691c5dacc5ec2509cc5531c888c96cdcd188d1597189c9dce84d7998f16821489c09f1c591ac0d1df11c912ce158ed58ed3531 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Centenial of first broadcast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=pR6j4Bxx567HitC0UXQ7aaK8LJDoF9bAmR8G8DJLRg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The first extended broadcast of the human voice was transmitted through the= air on December 24, 1906 from Brant Rock, Massachusetts. A Canadian engine= er, Reginald Fessenden, had worked for Thomas Edison in his New Jersey Labo= ratory, and later became a professor at the University of Pittsburgh. Fessenden was convinced that the "wireless telegraph", which then carried o= nly the sputtering dots and dashes of Morse code, could carry the human voi= ce. The most common use for wireless at that time was communication with me= rchant ships at sea, directing them to ports where the cargo would bring th= e best price. The shipboard wireless operators were called "Sparks." An account by Fessenden's wife Helen reports his historic transmission, as = the Sparks on ships across the Atlantic heard what they had dreamed about -= and thought impossible. "...a human voice coming from their instruments - someone speaking... Then= a women's voice rose in song. It was uncanny! Many of them called their of= ficers to come and listen; soon the wireless rooms were crowded. Next someo= ne was heard reading a poem. Then there was a violin solo; then a man made = a speech." The broadcast historian Eric Barnouw in, A Tower In Babel: A History of Bro= adcasting in the United States, reports that Fessenden himself played Gouno= d's "O, Holy Night" on the violin. He also read from the Christmas story fr= om the Bible book of Luke and played a phonograph recording of Handel's "La= rgo." --------------------------------- -- "jotape1960" wrote: Interesting. Which was the "official" first broadcast event in the world? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love ------------------------------------ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury"=20 wrote: > > Some folks hail Charles Herrold as the true father of=20 broadcasting, and call 2009 the 100th anniversary of his=20 achievement. There are plaques down at the corner of First and San=20 Fernando Streets in San Jose, testifying to Herrold's pioneering=20 work. In 1909, he and his students placed a microphone in front of a=20 phonograph, sent the signal to a transmitter, whose transmissions=20 were picked up by early crystal-set hobbyists who called and asked=20 for more music to be played. Sounds a lot like "broadcasting",=20 doesn't it? Marconi was more interested in point-to-point=20 transmissions than what we think of as broadcasting.=20 >=20 > Read all about it here: > http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_11593756 > From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Feb 05 08:55:54 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30680;u=;t=1234826523;m=938697492;s=337691049; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Feb 05 09:25:18 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30681;u=;t=1234826523;m=2120198499;s=4023986410; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 09:32:34 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30682;u=;t=1234826524;m=1405585483;s=3525083992; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 10:21:49 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30683;u=;t=1234826524;m=937567473;s=337691049; From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 05 10:28:12 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30684;u=;t=1234826524;m=1348760634;s=1447429129; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 10:29:14 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30685;u=;t=1234826524;m=477958032;s=1447429129; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 10:35:04 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30686;u=;t=1234826524;m=1230260166;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Feb 05 10:38:28 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30687;u=;t=1234826524;m=229275630;s=4113136027; From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Feb 05 10:52:51 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30688;u=;t=1234826524;m=1144796068;s=1447429129; From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 10:53:37 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30689;u=;t=1234826524;m=80407852;s=4113136027; From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 05 10:55:47 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30690;u=;t=1234826524;m=1206776465;s=1447429129; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Feb 05 10:59:03 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30691;u=;t=1234826524;m=783162429;s=1447429129; From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 05 11:03:03 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30692;u=;t=1234826524;m=2085579224;s=1447429129; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 11:06:35 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30693;u=;t=1234826524;m=415945543;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Feb 05 11:09:02 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30694;u=;t=1234826524;m=881920223;s=3057317044; From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Feb 05 11:18:41 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30695;u=;t=1234826524;m=808987034;s=1447429129; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 11:20:43 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30696;u=;t=1234826524;m=224945952;s=3057317044; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Feb 05 16:13:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59151 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2009 00:13:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2009 00:13:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2009 00:13:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.111] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090205181309002730600016.0) with SMTP id <20090205181309002730600016> for ; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:13:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006301c987f0$6c42fcc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:13:09 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Zn-fFh8IQzaT5mA4nTjatnBj1lHt6CnMMExPdUnwGI08oseabpNc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could be something near 1/2-5/8 wave. My 1280 towers are just under 200'. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com These folks might have tower that could sell you. It's for 1240 and not 1260, but you could fiddle with ATU. 442 feet sounds tall for 1240. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Feb 05 16:29:43 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30698;u=;t=1234826525;m=1008213043;s=1447429129; From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 16:30:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28420 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2009 00:30:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2009 00:30:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2009 00:30:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54810 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2009 00:30:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eYi7r_gVM1kY3U6WLVoheOI7jliTo2IWgEFGIn8JTV0CTTA44vaDXf5GvlgurLa9_Nponn9EXwHVf6VVtty6BQ8AnEUuisFkLaL2aoWg1bCG3ElqG1y5BUo3_U_zEkyNFihhlwVuldIZbMIeb8fbOakt5nItlHp7z2xnzxxn0Jskv8KbhHweaakifuc1Ooq_cN108FNNCGtsoq6slHAjMRHd X-Received: from [209.213.19.188] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:30:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:30:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006301c987f0$6c42fcc0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <431025.52325.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=zWagwS8ZzKQXGnMs0mEuLDnM3zOS3G0gzniX1fb-LJU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW WKDK 1240 is 207 feet with the beacon. Sounds like 5/8 wave. WCOS's 5/8 wave is around 400 something. WCOS it 1400 Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 2/5/09, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Could be something near 1/2-5/8 wave. My 1280 towers are > just under 200'. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@aol.com > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > These folks might have tower that could sell you. > It's for 1240 and not > 1260, but you could fiddle with ATU. 442 feet sounds > tall for 1240. > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Feb 05 16:38:01 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30700;u=;t=1234826563;m=659972726;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Feb 05 16:58:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5231 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2009 00:58:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2009 00:58:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2009 00:58:27 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d20.46e3d6de (65098) for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:58:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:58:23 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=HZJItDNb0HX9tIgKvOqVp690IZijqZ7hgzF9VNqidkXgN4EpesYFs3sFK3Npyfw6 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, You have to use the insulators or the guy wires will short the tower. However, if the old guy wire insulators are in good condition (no cracks), I don't see any reason why they can't be reused. Of course, a free standing tower, like the one that broke, doesn't need guy wires. The problem is they are much more expensive because of the amount of extra steel required, not to mention requiring three or four base insulators unless the tower is shunt fed. Free standing AM towers were once popular in the U.S., many if not most of them were erected by the Blaw Knox company. Although Blaw Knox's claim to fame was its diamond halfwave, which was guyed at the center, it had other designs as well. Many of its towers are still in service. In terms of newer towers, meaning in the last 50 years, I can't think of a single free standing tower. Nowadays, ground systems are very expensive, perhaps more than the tower itself, because of the price of copper. Here in the U.S., there are thieves that go around stealing ground systems. Mike ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Feb 05 18:14:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72267 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2009 02:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2009 02:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2009 02:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c28.4d75c900 (65098) for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:13:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:13:51 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=wtMnLt2rcBBk2VAFNk1qStSTzkuBYGG46J1bkdqHnoNeSPbjqelZm90GFoW8eSdR X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, I checked their file. It's around 200 degrees or a tad over 1/2 wave. However, their field strength doesn't reflect it on their old tower. Apparently, the new one is more efficient, namely 400 mV at 1 km which is a 33% improvement over the old one. I have to wonder if they consulted a structural engineer before putting an FM array atop the old tower. Mike ************** Stay up to date on the latest news - from sports scores to stocks and so much more. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000022) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Feb 05 18:21:41 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30703;u=;t=1234826563;m=1273643405;s=1447429129; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 05 22:15:59 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30704;u=;t=1234826563;m=1243439537;s=3057317044; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Feb 06 05:00:28 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30705;u=;t=1234826590;m=877503185;s=3057317044; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 06 06:30:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71894 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2009 14:30:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2009 14:30:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2009 14:30:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2009 14:30:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2009 14:30:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:30:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.211 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=5saOlK4ztQMZWOhH2W5mb43ynv_oxIykgEWMK8V93RX7qhoCsA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > Nowadays, ground systems are very expensive, perhaps more than the=20 tower=20 > itself, because of the price of copper. Here in the U.S., there=20 are thieves that=20 > go around stealing ground systems. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hahahahahahaha!!!! I thought it was a chilean problem only!!! Here, from time to time, the electric company has to replace some=20 parts of the electric wires because... it disappears!!! Hahahahahahaha!!! There always are thieves. In the first place of them are the=20 politicians!!!! I've always loved a George Harrison song, recorded by The Beatles in=20 1966: "TAXMAN". It's a very good satire, absolutely valid today. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 06 06:46:56 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30707;u=;t=1234826563;m=1290436778;s=2285302479; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 06 12:27:21 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30708;u=;t=1234826563;m=2076574278;s=1447429129; From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Feb 06 13:32:44 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30709;u=;t=1234826563;m=822417350;s=1447429129; From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 06 13:44:10 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30710;u=;t=1234826563;m=1987152596;s=1447429129; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Feb 06 16:35:01 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30711;u=;t=1234826563;m=1572032672;s=4074889357; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Feb 06 16:48:22 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30712;u=;t=1234826563;m=1737032296;s=1447429129; From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 06 18:00:32 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30713;u=;t=1234826563;m=874323861;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 06 19:44:31 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30714;u=;t=1234826563;m=1842744400;s=3057317044; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Feb 06 19:59:32 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30715;u=;t=1234826563;m=1527171966;s=1447429129; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Feb 06 20:01:18 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30716;u=;t=1234826563;m=1416604577;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 06 20:07:46 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30717;u=;t=1234826564;m=1518472591;s=3057317044; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 06 20:11:52 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30718;u=;t=1234826564;m=1895072686;s=3057317044; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 06 20:27:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94249 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2009 04:27:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2009 04:27:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2009 04:27:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d67.3f459355 (32914) for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2009 23:27:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 23:27:47 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tDzB6aCgqQjRu1cUxQrehyECRMQWv-2IG3pBX9Am5ZaAcDFepGjxVtGp-ojL0yBj X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I thought Chile had massive copper deposits? Apparently, the word got out here in the U.S. that there were "copper mines" hidden below AM towers that could be mined without the danger of electrocution involved with harvesting electric utility copper. Electrical utilities now use mostly aluminum. The prime targets for copper and aluminum here in the U.S. are residential A/C condensing units, at least here in the U.S. Midwest. My brother discovered his A/C wasn't working and assumed his system was low on charge. He went out with a Freon canister to recharge it only find the whole condensing unit was gone leaving nothing but a concrete slab with some refrigeration oil on it. New houses are mounting the condensing units on brackets a couple of meters off the ground or building security cages around them. The real problem is the scrap metal dealers who buy things they know aren't scrap. By the way, a Franklin doesn't need a ground system. You could put out a hot AM signal and pay for the tower by leasing space at the top to an FM operation. Of couse your tower would be taller than most AM clear channel stations in the U.S.. Mike ************** Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. 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Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:21:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004901c98a1a$d49224a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 12:21:36 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=QpQPX-DGMnp-qCgv76f_FrHyKwE8sqMcDsgF4rPbYEqoeU9xMHYc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But that's only if you have the enormous resources to fight the NIMBYs for a decade or so. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com By the way, a Franklin doesn't need a ground system. You could put out a hot AM signal and pay for the tower by leasing space at the top to an FM operation. Of couse your tower would be taller than most AM clear channel stations in the U.S.. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 08 10:26:30 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30748;u=;t=1234826611;m=852632226;s=1447429129; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 08 10:35:17 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30749;u=;t=1234826611;m=2040901068;s=1447429129; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 08 10:54:27 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30750;u=;t=1234826611;m=2105682779;s=2188007791; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 11:07:03 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30751;u=;t=1234826611;m=1013030463;s=1447429129; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 08 11:08:02 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30752;u=;t=1234826611;m=2048944154;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Feb 08 12:04:48 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30753;u=;t=1234826611;m=1040193846;s=1447429129; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 12:12:17 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30754;u=;t=1234826611;m=2024607950;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Feb 08 12:26:58 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30755;u=;t=1234826611;m=617555114;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Feb 08 12:33:32 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30756;u=;t=1234826611;m=189926486;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Feb 08 12:44:13 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30757;u=;t=1234826611;m=538707086;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Feb 08 12:47:03 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30758;u=;t=1234826611;m=1780080086;s=1447429129; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 13:36:12 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30759;u=;t=1234826611;m=1294932477;s=2667140183; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 13:36:45 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30760;u=;t=1234826611;m=95779990;s=1447429129; From w6yn@juno.com Sun Feb 08 15:56:40 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30761;u=;t=1234826611;m=1119497724;s=1052918497; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 16:05:52 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30762;u=;t=1234826611;m=2125729806;s=3298515045; From w6yn@juno.com Sun Feb 08 17:22:48 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30763;u=;t=1234826612;m=1880937412;s=1052918497; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 17:36:30 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30764;u=;t=1234826612;m=1771831690;s=4269781640; From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Feb 08 17:46:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9539 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 01:46:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 01:46:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s40.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.240) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 01:46:14 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W12 ([64.4.19.112]) by bay0-omc3-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:46:14 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:46:14 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6928EA79-3821-4FC5-8897-DE19AE59CA1F@yahoo.com> References: <20090208.172145.17187.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> <6928EA79-3821-4FC5-8897-DE19AE59CA1F@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2009 01:46:14.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[318BA400:01C98A58] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Wondering about Amy Mousie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=51zOYcIYBPuOPzgnH8tNjcHKNpSbKHJdPyVVu__HQkbw_J1OG-Ru X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy, are you still there? MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 18:34:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80821 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 02:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 02:34:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.91) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 02:34:25 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2009 02:34:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.155] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2009 02:34:25 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp208.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2009 02:34:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 441259.92864.bm@omp208.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 2057 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 02:34:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.205.43 with plain) by smtp101.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 02:34:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JIGQS5wVM1mb0VDtcaa8bpcQ.nORL6LIcyBderlsH2mBkcA_31oph.j1UUjGfzFktIFRmB2CKIdkwSb8r.ykd4oy7Iwz.ht3T.qgok3SORakJSJNa82uu1yU8dPcmVhW5SGtQWq9tFUcSML4ULxj48lL.PKZaW9fYNR_Sfcl_nOuFvcW1mV5ufuu1gNtxasUod5RfN8hJrA67V_KWrvVIpLR6mkx848LLiaxugwq3RRCmIc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <004D4974-B718-48BC-A8A5-70F2E30D7857@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:34:20 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Q3QJvj4cT0QFoF4lCApN3ImrBui6Qeh7jJmmZkFzlqvgctMHnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.wbdhradio.com/ Go to this URL and scroll down and you will see this.... "WBDH 580 and 1570 proudly broadcast in full independent sideband AM Stereo." All I can say is there it is on the website. They don't appear to be hiding it. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 18:52:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99471 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 02:52:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 02:52:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 02:52:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96459 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2009 02:52:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PBaBp3cVM1mEKDO6W1KTlG.ZlPgqEBdwabnDp2F79284i0PhJ1D9oeT77fwg9lTnVq067xEJ3WmbRBJBhPrYgZETabdPcrP36boWVkOuFh.ex7qGFPQsDa3ejZ1V.aGZRp9gyCWSSADPZSVqtJeoTTYGuUlHFOF4uQshwF2NO.bVBbyF9N62xjgJa2kguFVSbHX996JdjzTg1dQfBTIow0pJtx.rLGq1wwNnpdHW.cXodzk- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:52:38 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:52:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <413548.95489.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=pEN9h9Jv9Wj3jKZnm2ef4rJ18a3OM1Ii1Z9oOfRplKb4RA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 WHY? I wonder how many people have a multi-mode radio, a Kahn radio (rare), or the inclination to off-tune two mono sets? But it IS kinda neat to see somebody that dares to do it, and brag about it :>) G --- On Sun, 2/8/09, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.wbdhradi > o.com/ > > > > Go to this URL and scroll down and you will see this.... > > > > "WBDH 580 and 1570 proudly broadcast in full > independent sideband AM > > Stereo." > > > > All I can say is there it is on the website. They don't > appear to be > > hiding it. > > > > Kevin > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 18:54:37 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30768;u=;t=1234826612;m=336023400;s=2188007791; From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Feb 08 19:12:19 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30769;u=;t=1234826643;m=1095013152;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Feb 08 19:13:43 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30770;u=;t=1234826644;m=984865538;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Feb 08 19:29:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80845 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 03:29:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 03:29:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 03:29:18 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d51.412463de (14502) for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:29:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:29:12 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=75VsbEz82HRqpdltun0vBdq7DHm9PLeoVxH7n2Pv53r2q3Ye1lq8VMR77vzwi4-Z X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These appear to be pirate radio stations. Where are they located? Mike ************** Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 19:33:49 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30772;u=;t=1234826644;m=545931573;s=1447429129; From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Feb 08 19:34:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18426 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 03:34:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 03:34:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.204) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 03:34:56 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W2 ([64.4.19.102]) by bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:34:56 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:34:56 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2009 03:34:56.0270 (UTC) FILETIME=[608A22E0:01C98A67] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=2dE0wRxU2Df3vgopE7wkM0uot1DagwYXjDEf3eyhX6WavbAbDqkg X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do not believe that these are pirate stations, but low power local stations. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: mjgrant@aol.comDate: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:29:12 -0500Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! These appear to be pirate radio stations. Where are they located?Mike**************Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. 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(big_h00pla@75.120.205.43 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 03:35:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zFybb20VM1kaUVEgQL_UhOxsXZUvut64e1DfFoKQESodUSpGGz3o92Rj1r4NS.sh7BDeD_f.G6ygz2NRKpsz_gajZYaFTLlVVWeqGHL5wWj25VWOoh1e_joRfkOkPcH7fG1U5PSO3ZkkBhRS9kcN9neyE_LlFt_WNTn9fsV.lLYwUPeDGfncrCIfOfAupl_WvpgV7RvmaVEGILHP16DMomobhg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <56C2DA87-8D4D-44EB-8E3D-44AF3FB25292@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 21:35:18 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=6zhEZdmfDAh82QySrVWfkw14BqkVROKhyYtCYDfIcTidRvTjVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:29 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > These appear to be pirate radio stations. Where are they located? Not pirate, Part 15. Someone has a lot of coin to put down on their hobby. They are located in Virginia and Los Angeles. They have a real nice streaming set up and they sound real good. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 19:41:34 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30776;u=;t=1234826644;m=251565280;s=2188007791; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 19:47:00 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30777;u=;t=1234826644;m=1635863204;s=2788622216; From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 19:51:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61458 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 03:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 03:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 03:51:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4731 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2009 03:51:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0XYEwxIVM1md9h1Bp4k9X6WM6xqg3gPPkpWz_KFPSDiuGGuI7LekX8.yNCmG8z2sVvXabr3v_WRTEsYtU6SPobMCGOM2j9OLCyYGg7Yl1AGZpJUOA6P.PVjOt92eX.IWDKWcWPPk2HODhdlAygLpkW6XoCcAvnRcL_SMRn6.pKOirw-- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:51:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:51:27 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <646066.4660.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Obgxl9vbIhK0GKdNkyNyVBtFuA2bw7c65pvduvNbGrOBLeYsS_nkbhI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Are these full-power AM stations, or just Part 15 local stations? From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 08 19:53:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86209 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 03:53:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 03:53:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.179) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 03:53:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n12.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2009 03:53:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.67] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2009 03:53:23 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2009 03:53:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 466720.63530.bm@omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 72409 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 03:53:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.205.43 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 03:53:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oi5tB4kVM1kcpIR1VbxYAF0erhGnCvz0UVkHctuVDYpCYmKW04dge_v0rE7wNuiTi_afJ1wbO1S1pc7OD91v0RZw.z.bxs7zJdneY9FnNORo.jdHd4VUGjf_2WjQL3VPlQolWWaNrAyjWSJeRzsRGcyNdhPxI9CQhDsC0.vbTODp9EjTkxZSPyD8UPc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <646066.4660.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <646066.4660.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 21:53:21 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=nSGKmowu-1uvl9GPXPl71pYM-x_9Lb4Aske8bhZNntM7-YtKTg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:51 PM, John P. wrote: > Are these full-power AM stations, or just Part 15 local stations? Part 15. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Feb 08 20:20:26 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30780;u=;t=1234826644;m=294373815;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Feb 08 20:46:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73642 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 04:46:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 04:46:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 04:46:24 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d3c.396055de (42808) for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:46:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:46:18 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=mXNIwbzveXtF3hWhU1DjfVrnF-KU_-IkXwLT7tk6qU2t2-_RvF2qxspEwjqmt-0h X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 570 khz, a Part 15 transmitter has virtually no coverage. That's why I was wondering. Yes, indeed, someone has alot of money for a hobby. I don't know of anyone who has ever made a Kahn Part 15 transmitter. Mike ************** Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Feb 08 20:49:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73174 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 04:49:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 04:49:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 04:49:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d4d.3bf71fe6 (42808) for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:49:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:49:43 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=A3mdnyphOl1OGTdel6wGKyGa_q_7rcoXorr8bZYDHhlDKri48tNlBXh6DV4YK13W X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/8/2009 9:51:42 PM Central Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Are these full-power AM stations, or just Part 15 local stations? > That was my first question. Usually Part 15 stations have AA battery backup, not diesel generators. Mike ************** Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 08 22:01:31 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30783;u=;t=1234826644;m=875251266;s=2188007791; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 08 23:09:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88610 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 07:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 07:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.88) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 07:09:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25394 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 07:09:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i4j0t9) (jimsmith95650@75.18.50.40 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 07:09:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YFphRsEVM1mfUe5tQ47497DRp8k69iFlBctPzL6wOWD8HAxtj1q6ju4ysKgt_SnBHQmkaDRA1HK6F4HYyJBvvvm7B3QrBg6DJiUKzPg9NLjfYE923NpHA3Zd.WUclRxB8Sb3bkvhD213HhAlUXZZtosT X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000a01c98a85$85350e20$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:10:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: To our frends in Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=-DbPZqZ7NJL-U554Wri9t-L_ZQbLYWhZlMKwHK7MFetyeeYQcth5rP6hmwfM9xvQVPZLtmA3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I almost forgot . Good luck and god bless to our frends in Australia dering there summer fire season. Jim Smith NOR CAL USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 06:35:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87106 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 14:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 14:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 14:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2009 14:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2009 14:35:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:35:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.44 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Tc8y8T0dm6RDHyZAeT8EYsSDQcTYvrQPnN3ArbjpOr4Vbv2gOg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > On 570 khz, a Part 15 transmitter has virtually no coverage.=20=20 That's why I=20 > was wondering. Yes, indeed, someone has alot of money for a hobby. >=20 > I don't know of anyone who has ever made a Kahn Part 15=20 transmitter. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 I can't understand why the FCC is so stupid and forbids a full power=20 ISB AM Stereo station if this transmission is absolutely innocuous!!! Who loses with that? An ISB AM Stereo TX follows all the regulations (even better than an=20 IBOC TX), is absolutely mono compatible and is full "AM", so... A FCC's thing. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 06:42:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52136 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 14:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 14:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 14:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2009 14:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2009 14:42:07 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:42:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.44 From: "jotape1960" Subject: About YouTube videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=k3NPdAWuBV7Dk47biFw9SAU-8GIz1vcfP3j8FFc363KO9zSiXw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I've spent time seeing YouTube videos. I found some AM Stereo samples=20 from an station "WOWO" 1190 KHZ, Fort Wayne, Indiana, and it is so=20 cool, a very great stereo sound!!! But the samples are dated as 1992.=20 Is this station on the air (with stereo music) today? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Feb 09 06:54:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34672 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 14:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 14:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.31) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 14:54:51 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so382488ywt.75 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:54:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.139.20 with SMTP id m20mr757308and.46.1234191290547; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:54:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.35.27.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.35.27.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c14sm10585757ana.41.2009.02.09.06.54.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 09 Feb 2009 06:54:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <482CFEBA-BCFA-49A6-A335-1C07A6799418@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:53:53 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} About YouTube videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=mW2IIngWUp3Y8gOSgUJGfEaa25WfuwjGDLdfnBXteWwB9ZvXTaGMmYeyKPZTtA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:42 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > Is this station on the air (with stereo music) today? The rape and plunder of WOWO is a sad tale indeed. WOWO's Night power was lowered, Went Mono, and went News/Talk. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Feb 09 07:21:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92886 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 15:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 15:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 15:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KET00JYX1BLP1A0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:21:23 -0600 (CST) Message-id: To: References: <482CFEBA-BCFA-49A6-A335-1C07A6799418@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:21:21 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} About YouTube videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=cGPBc3LJibFIvgAY9TKCtSieRVwhBLrNkf7g3b1eoZDA8A X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Back in its glory days, WOWO (rhymes with go-go) was a powerhouse, covering most of the middle eastern U.S. at night with great Top-40 music. As Kevin said, the later-on plight of WOWO was indeed a tragedy. Dick W ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ4HYD To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:53 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} About YouTube videos On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:42 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > Is this station on the air (with stereo music) today? The rape and plunder of WOWO is a sad tale indeed. WOWO's Night power was lowered, Went Mono, and went News/Talk. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Feb 09 07:30:08 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30789;u=;t=1234826682;m=1592918903;s=2188007791; From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Feb 09 07:31:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60631 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 15:30:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 15:30:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.213) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 15:30:57 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W55 ([64.4.19.155]) by bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 9 Feb 2009 07:30:56 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:30:56 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <482CFEBA-BCFA-49A6-A335-1C07A6799418@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2009 15:30:56.0958 (UTC) FILETIME=[671AE5E0:01C98ACB] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} About YouTube videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=Hb-059CZwLAEM_kU77hm3A0Pk1o93QGP-5B1U6Hy4tVQ7c8cfGb7 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember listening to WOWO at nite on my Sylvertone tube portable radio, which had been given to me in non-working condition. Found and replaced the bad capacitor causing the problems and used that old radio for many years. Tis a shame what has happened to WOWO in the years since I listened. I guess the real crusher was the drop in night time power to protect a certain station in New York, I believe. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Feb 09 07:31:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62348 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 15:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 15:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 15:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c21.42b4c2c2 (41810) for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:31:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:31:51 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=PdpNSBVf_XSw13EwKbd063TU9NXed7bhxcsE51shw-QC18MhDQxz8hn2STI7j03q X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There has to A standard. That is what makes it a standard. For amatuer radio, you can use any system. Mike ************** Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Feb 09 07:44:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87611 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 15:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 15:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 15:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c59.40972290 (41810) for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:44:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:44:09 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} About YouTube videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=diA-76VOGooH3sNfcVsO2fqvLcnmfXenjU2E1UC-BCcu6lDQLmVTd2LEaSC08R11 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I was in Ft. Wayne last Summer for a friend's wedding and I believe WOWO is still on the air, but no longer AM Stereo. Usually, that is the first thing I look for in an area. WOWO is a very powerful station (50 kW) with its DA array concentrating its signal the East. There is an interesting WOWO archive in the Reel Radio Repository when someone screwed up at NORAD inside Cheyenne Mountain and sent out an authenticated EBS activation instead of a test. That meant Soviet missiles and/or bombers were on their way. You could almost hear the sweat of the announcer as WOWO was the designated EBS station for the Ft. Wayne area which meant it had to stay on the air and him at his post. Mike ************** Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Feb 09 07:51:57 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30793;u=;t=1234826667;m=1621930860;s=1447429129; From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Feb 09 08:08:38 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30794;u=;t=1234826667;m=1766994951;s=1447429129; From w6yn@juno.com Mon Feb 09 08:26:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68514 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 16:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 16:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 16:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail11.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.151]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE3AYJVAK4DNTA for (sender ); Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:25:55 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD7PCKsb0/tk/If7M8BVN40Y= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail11.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N8YLS8JX; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 08:25:53 PST X-Received: from [76.194.243.32] by webmail11.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:25:42 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:25:42 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090209.082542.21007.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:688393048 X-MAIL-INFO:17a4fd4185a1159db511c1fd7471a16081d58484bda93dbd64e4385da1f5cde5e1a5e129e0cde459f10011c990e4f18da05061d0c9d05d70b151 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.151|webmail11.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Juan Gualda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=0eEba0FrvxZiBx_4eJouVAEotLoejFb9sMOc2g95FA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn HEY Juan Gualda! OK I give up. 'NTTIAWWT!' means "Not that there is anything wrong with that!"=20 A la 'Seinfeld.' What does "YAACSMFMLDP !" mean? -- "Juan Gualda" wrote: YAACSMFMLDP ! Juan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 wrote: > > Maddow was raised Roman Catholic but is a practicing Lesbian. >=20 > NTTIAWWT! >=20 > Don >=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 10:30:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36391 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 18:30:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 18:30:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 18:30:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62860 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2009 18:30:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tdCtrR4VM1kvnmw1lw1LAfWJczIckvwdP_DyKK6zDKNPnvG.pDmV0_TNHKPjihsBX5Pxd9c1CeGHv8WdlBH3X4gmzss5pS1hEDTG2edpVrGLOC9Tt5yjX6JDBMT6vfnfiFTOsPZnJWotcaLJcJjCyg_VdGtS.dneRtxXVTaU46LEu4iuldNUNqSfU5F_nL8CSiTTXFNS8fQxEHxkJC5DzZ6p X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:30:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:30:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <349344.59915.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} About YouTube videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=RiIn9f_qLyg9UsKzNrKH-N91eWSxPiqukjDYTk9JARc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NO powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 2/9/09, jotape1960 wrote: > I've spent time seeing YouTube videos. I found some AM > Stereo samples > from an station "WOWO" 1190 KHZ, Fort Wayne, > Indiana, and it is so > cool, a very great stereo sound!!! But the samples are > dated as 1992. > Is this station on the air (with stereo music) today? / From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 10:35:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60874 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 18:35:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 18:35:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 18:35:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40638 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2009 18:35:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eVJizu8VM1lQOMutnlY_KdluTjsuMYViba2AmTqx4BLZCwWsNgw7TqK3XnE4ASw2LRKeS2ESywA9JzGT_WyZ07tc4nux9FeyHG17NhmoNwPVZdCl4hBgyZM1RYYuaFSBtf9uJSK5KK134EmXvtpbQY.iSq9qiTOxucQsE0fHp_ct7HNJO_M73.ZEGZ1OXnmmYSDW9el5DWoQOqrksoe7o7bQ X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:35:15 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:35:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <104255.38809.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} About YouTube videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=8MK1jjD4GLMQ8xbalhEETjXhL3fhSstmstLQxUbJDNI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Comments inline NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 2/9/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > > I was in Ft. Wayne last Summer for a friend's wedding > and I believe WOWO is > still on the air, but no longer AM Stereo. Usually, that > is the first thing I > look for in an area. WOWO is a very powerful station (50 > kW) with its DA > array concentrating its signal the East. WRONG! Although WOWO is 50,000 watts, it's 9800 at night. The DA pattern is to protect KEX 1190 and they significantly tightened UP the null to the EAST to protect WLIB in NYC. The pattern is major lobes slightly NW and slightly SE. I get probably a better signals some nights as folks in the eastern part of Fort Wayne. The transmitter site is in Roanoke, IN. Powell From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 09 10:38:07 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30798;u=;t=1234826712;m=232229197;s=2188007791; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 09 10:45:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22707 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 18:45:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 18:45:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 18:45:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2009 18:45:25 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.88] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2009 18:45:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:45:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.188.236 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} About YouTube videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=1bje6L8QyK-BuLTEJdQ7ZYcP4yNEP2YYEVkv9KcQGWTsi0bUPOV-UkpegY8mitXI4t7W4PMF X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON -=20 CEO wrote: > >=20 > I remember listening to WOWO at nite on my Sylvertone tube portable=20 radio, which had been given to me in non-working condition. Found=20 and replaced the bad capacitor causing the problems and used that old=20 radio for many years.=20=20 >=20=20 > Tis a shame what has happened to WOWO in the years since I=20 listened. I guess the real crusher was the drop in night time power=20 to protect a certain station in New York, I believe. >=20=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang I remember some one saying about two years ago that WOWO AM=20 1190 at the time of the recording was cheating at the time. Some one=20 said that they where useing the Magnavox AMS with the 25khz pilot=20 tone.Jim Smith NOR CAL From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 13:21:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32672 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 21:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 21:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 21:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2009 21:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2009 21:21:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:21:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.137 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=XUS9hO1wRLp18E-hWm0V8VrVaTPmrz1Q00LFpFtPn0fcRDIkbA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > There has to A standard. That is what makes it a standard. >=20 > For amatuer radio, you can use any system. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Sorry, but I'm not agree with this line. An standard is good if it can demonstrate it is the best. It isn't the case with AM Stereo: the best system wasn't/isn't C- QUAM. The best system (theorycally) was the L+R signal in the AM part and=20 the L-R signal in the pure PM part. I'm not sure but I guess it was=20 Philco (or Magnavox?). However, it wasn't/isn't a pure AM system. In the other hand, ISB is pure, pure AM. I mean, it uses AM=20 artifacts only (the sidebands are an inherent product of the main AM=20 modulation). ISB isn't perfect!!! But C-QUAM isn't perfect, too!!! C-QUAM has problems (platform motion isn't the only one). ISB has only one problem: BACKGROUND NOISE!!! But it is inherent to=20 the system and the bands. Nothing to do with that. The way the C-QUAM system won wasn't fair (nobody can know how much=20 money arrived to the FCC "cryptic" treasury from the monster=20 Motorola). So... yes, C-QUAM is the standard. BUT...!!! Just my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Feb 09 14:47:47 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30801;u=;t=1234826713;m=722116841;s=3057317044; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 15:59:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62753 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2009 23:59:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2009 23:59:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2009 23:59:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42449 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2009 23:59:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ysHQUnYVM1kS7QOeNloKaCg5SYlssxYP2A93zJQyAaY9xfi2A.szQAgtW6mtSjD4JtZGyv4GYK9Tj2c5tcovFJ71v1HsOSV3IKgVuqSTbGNmrsA5VfmkoZB.0LHPqij7Q8gXvnozay33aBA778QqXXVcV5_sxoQ.1HfDFvWsDBAgxVqXQgPtSoQdqp9aCEHT_33aQbLCjAeQD9YZ6M32j9pE3VC30NwuvkQ3pA-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:59:54 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:59:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <560966.6591.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=WFKF2i2O-srM3XfeH83fogK1YJYnuCuwz9oMS29E3a_U1w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 So, are part 15 stations allowed to use any AMS system they please? Interesting...now if I could just get that PMX thing going! G --- On Mon, 2/9/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 10:31 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There has to A standard. That is what makes > it a standard. > > > > For amatuer radio, you can use any system. > > > > Mike > > > > ************ ** > > Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all > > > time on AOL Music. > > (http://music. > aol.com/grammys/ pictures/ never-won- a-grammy? > ncid=emlcntusmus i00000003) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 16:04:56 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30803;u=;t=1234826713;m=1486489941;s=1447429129; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 16:08:17 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30804;u=;t=1234826713;m=590836639;s=2188007791; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 09 16:21:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15290 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2009 00:21:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2009 00:21:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2009 00:21:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13068 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2009 00:21:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 86QTi.cVM1n3c4K3O9VOOdqcEcn0l8jpy3wIF_Xs8XhGR_jgdh1lNXNDXpHgL93AxHtqGk90D2iARb89QzwwDZCTtCKTfuKUgEDIksBqRtgYC38KYe6PNgMNYHN1o6jq4jRmuWhbROayjA8YYp9Rm0IvBpXXuFIkjzyJzGM2zQNr2sW1F2qpHbx3BNrki8ML_T5iHj9Ungy2TkvAkjTQSDXHu6ZCUR7dyYLbs0.JYtvQhMc- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:21:15 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:21:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <774873.10958.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} About YouTube videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=DA259pKO6kC8p58HWHCCx08MSDFMthJyZmxA4weVqGMe0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, WOWO was Magnavox PMX to the bitter end, but seeing that the C-QUAM radios were taking over the audience, the CE, Mr. Eric Culp, decided to do something about it. Continental Electronics, who made the PMX exciter, forbade any tampering or modifications, so Eric took the 25 Hz. cue-tone oscillator out of an old cart recorder, split the phase, and fed it in phase on one audio channel and out of phase on the other...instant C-QUAM pilot! Suddenly AMS indicators were glowing all over the Eastern US, and WOWO became (AFAIK) the only station EVER to have TWO pilot tones going at the SAME time...25 Hz. for C-QUAM, and the original 5 Hz. FM (+/- 20 Hz. carrier) for PMX. WOWO was a real cool station, and those who ever heard them on a Sony SRF-A100 know what audio quality potential AM REALLY has! G --- On Mon, 2/9/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: {AMSF} About YouTube videos > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 1:45 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@ > yahoogroups. com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - > > CEO wrote: > > > > > > > > > I remember listening to WOWO at nite on my Sylvertone > tube portable > > radio, which had been given to me in non-working condition. > Found > > and replaced the bad capacitor causing the problems and > used that old > > radio for many years. > > > > > > Tis a shame what has happened to WOWO in the years > since I > > listened. I guess the real crusher was the drop in night > time power > > to protect a certain station in New York, I believe. > > > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Gang I remember some one saying about two years ago that > WOWO AM > > 1190 at the time of the recording was cheating at the time. > Some one > > said that they where useing the Magnavox AMS with the 25khz > pilot > > tone.Jim Smith NOR CAL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Feb 09 19:53:41 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30806;u=;t=1234826713;m=1321396392;s=3057317044; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 06:08:35 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30807;u=;t=1234826713;m=734838888;s=3057317044; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Feb 10 06:22:30 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30808;u=;t=1234826713;m=406811963;s=3057317044; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 06:42:03 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30809;u=;t=1234826714;m=1698412244;s=3057317044; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 06:45:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2251 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2009 14:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2009 14:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2009 14:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2009 14:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2009 14:45:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:45:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <774873.10958.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.195 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} About YouTube videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=LRObOEW9QZd0l_-QGl66k62CNjJuWUCDhTd3EaRF2WSPY8a6Hw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Yes, WOWO was Magnavox PMX to the bitter end, but seeing that the=20 C-QUAM radios were taking over the audience, the CE, Mr. Eric Culp,=20 > decided to do something about it. >=20 > Continental Electronics, who made the PMX exciter, forbade any=20 tampering or modifications, so Eric took the 25 Hz. cue-tone=20 oscillator out of an old cart recorder, split the phase, and fed it=20 in phase on one audio channel and out of phase on the=20 other...instant C-QUAM pilot! >=20 > Suddenly AMS indicators were glowing all over the Eastern US, and=20 WOWO became (AFAIK) the only station EVER to have TWO pilot tones=20 going at the SAME time...25 Hz. for C-QUAM, and the original 5 Hz.=20 FM (+/- 20 Hz. carrier) for PMX. WOWO was a real cool station, and=20 those who ever heard them on a Sony SRF-A100 know what audio quality=20 potential AM REALLY has! > G=20 >=20 I wonder... What if we put a pure PMX on the air and we "hear" it=20 with a pure C-QUAM tuner? I mean without any other artifact. Will we=20 get a full stereo sound? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Feb 10 06:50:14 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30811;u=;t=1234826714;m=630245450;s=3057317044; From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 06:57:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49449 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2009 14:57:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2009 14:57:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2009 14:57:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24522 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2009 14:57:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QJimnZYVM1nS_5mZZnWspwXtNgFTMaU_VDepesXGQg3f3ZTX40QaI5oktsTXQoVGMadOaNHifzPTRwS4yGuLT_rnLETpWgs8Y8S2eV_vDJ_4.CY_PAWjuVVRVqeOKJX18Ymh_AkmASXCI1YxLyuN.D7lu6XmsALosUwLgIF.akADwg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:57:19 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 06:57:19 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <739045.23506.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: CQuam Exciter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ij4zNMLHC0SxGk8aXJZE8c2rKIhoAK2ExINvHe_R3-JVXH6pbiUdTz4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi, Did anybody on this list win that C-Quam exciter that was on eBay last week? John From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 07:00:13 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30813;u=;t=1234826714;m=687689709;s=3057317044; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 08:49:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43152 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2009 16:49:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2009 16:49:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2009 16:49:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2009 16:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2009 16:49:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:49:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.21 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Radio situation in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=C-wUtOjvAn0eQ154G0mavLa2jRbEkFoR3_sVQn-6K53khN7GcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! If somebody wants to know, this is the today situation of the radio=20 industry in Chile: Amplitude Modulation: 175 stations (only analog mono audio). Frecuency Modulation: 1427 stations (only analog stereo audio). Short Wave: 6 stations (only analog mono audio). Minimal Coverage Area (only 1 watt power): 381 stations (all in the=20 FM band). This is the official updated (Jan 15 2009) reality of my beautiful=20 country. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w6yn@juno.com Tue Feb 10 09:27:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81200 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2009 17:26:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2009 17:26:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2009 17:26:51 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail01.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.141]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE3DQE5AVXGD92 for (sender ); Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:25:47 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD7MnUtjvzFzQF2ToodvrEkA= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail01.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N83AK6T5; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:25:00 PST X-Received: from [76.194.243.32] by webmail01.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:23:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:23:16 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090210.092316.15840.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:688393048 X-MAIL-INFO:06c56dad740de004d9e5496dbd750d254511ededb114a9b1540959010d00953db520b5357995091d5070e5d4890950a491d19994d494012434d0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.141|webmail01.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Juan Gualda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=NFlcRNo5gz4GRpU90bxLax8mnFDEoiOmnvwjbqoCkA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn HEY Juan Gualda! OK I give up. 'NTTIAWWT!' means "Not that there is anything wrong with that!"=20 A la 'Seinfeld.' What does "YAACSMFMLDP !" mean? -- "Juan Gualda" wrote: YAACSMFMLDP ! Juan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 wrote: > > Maddow was raised Roman Catholic but is a practicing Lesbian. >=20 > NTTIAWWT! >=20 > Don >=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 10:07:23 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30816;u=;t=1234826714;m=743042916;s=3057317044; From keith1226@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 13:32:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31164 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2009 21:32:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2009 21:32:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.149) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2009 21:32:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86917 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Feb 2009 21:32:06 -0000 Message-ID: <526502.84574.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Received: from [206.188.48.131] by web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:32:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:32:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Reply-To: keith1226@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio situation in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=BO7v5XXyLxRvxn-NytQ-lu1aIiSJANdir5g4Sa5yVDZwpKnv X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Juan,=20 That's very interesting, at least to me. Do you have any statistics about f= ormats, e.g. how many play news, talk, Chilean pop music, classical music, = etc? Best regards, Keith B.=20 Seattle WA USA (E.E.U.U.) --- On Tue, 2/10/09, jotape1960 wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: {AMSF} Radio situation in Chile > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:49 AM > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > If somebody wants to know, this is the today situation of > the radio=20 > industry in Chile: >=20 > Amplitude Modulation: 175 stations (only analog mono > audio). >=20 > Frecuency Modulation: 1427 stations (only analog stereo > audio). >=20 > Short Wave: 6 stations (only analog mono audio). >=20 > Minimal Coverage Area (only 1 watt power): 381 stations > (all in the=20 > FM band). >=20 > This is the official updated (Jan 15 2009) reality of my > beautiful=20 > country. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Feb 10 13:41:18 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30818;u=;t=1234826714;m=409161931;s=3057317044; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Tue Feb 10 15:54:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17995 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2009 23:54:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2009 23:54:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2009 23:54:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2009 23:54:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2009 23:54:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:54:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090210.092316.15840.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.149.52.115 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: Juan Gualda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=Vv3szujgIq7q-oxQDSusQczJDO_98FXQRvvvhEPVv-YdnIM X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 wrote: > >=20 > HEY Juan Gualda! >=20 > OK I give up. >=20 > 'NTTIAWWT!' means "Not that there is anything wrong with that!"=20 >=20 > A la 'Seinfeld.' >=20 > What does "YAACSMFMLDP !" mean? Damn...It was Yes, Acronyms ALWAYS CAN SPELL MANY FUNNY.....and I forgot the=20 rest...I am sure It was funny or clever at the time, but now maybe it=20 was neither ...LOL I'm losing my mind..... From w6yn@juno.com Tue Feb 10 16:04:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98760 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2009 00:04:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2009 00:04:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2009 00:04:16 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE3EFQTAQC9C7S for (sender ); Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:03:29 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD4FE+qKXKCN+FSVDCcA6d6s= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N83ZC9TF; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:03:11 PST X-Received: from [76.194.243.32] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:02:14 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:02:14 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090210.160214.19443.1@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:2579974290 X-MAIL-INFO:121941e92d200440216111410d0020edc154797935c53935b0994915208d91a4a53da5b5dd9199d5f414617d1d99f46dd1b984647d6415d09d55 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Juan Gualda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=-fLUc8G_UCo1xyQqBpuh28fo9WO7SHUv3HLmBrGdlg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Thanks, Don -- "Juan Gualda" wrote: Damn...It was Yes, Acronyms ALWAYS CAN SPELL MANY FUNNY.....and I forgot the=20 rest...I am sure It was funny or clever at the time, but now maybe it=20 was neither ...LOL I'm losing my mind..... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 wrote: > >=20 > HEY Juan Gualda! >=20 > OK I give up. >=20 > 'NTTIAWWT!' means "Not that there is anything wrong with that!"=20 >=20 > A la 'Seinfeld.' >=20 > What does "YAACSMFMLDP !" mean? From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 10 17:33:11 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30821;u=;t=1234826715;m=119098657;s=1447429129; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 10 17:36:38 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30822;u=;t=1234826715;m=45181895;s=1447429129; From w6yn@juno.com Tue Feb 10 17:40:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48983 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2009 01:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2009 01:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2009 01:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE3EMENAKHLHHJ for (sender ); Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:40:28 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD6oinrGv90zzx/K/7oxe87E= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N836VVAQ; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:39:38 PST X-Received: from [76.194.243.32] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:39:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 01:39:01 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090210.173901.5438.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:744987920 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: KLOS FM/HD3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=GlWyIwoIBrYHzUIgdqxw6h7o1fB4V2RpftzenbeZaQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn KLOS FM/HD3 in Los Angeles is simulcasting KABC-AM 790. Considering that KLOS has better(quieting)coverage than KABC, this seems to= work well. This may become more common as time goes by. Don =20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 10 17:40:59 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30824;u=;t=1234826715;m=1586996983;s=1153888817; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 10 17:42:05 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30825;u=;t=1234826715;m=791478090;s=1447429129; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 10 17:50:04 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30826;u=;t=1234826716;m=732491211;s=2188007791; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 10 17:52:55 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30827;u=;t=1234826716;m=886453852;s=1447429129; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 10 18:02:28 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30828;u=;t=1234826746;m=58047332;s=1447429129; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 10 18:04:25 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30829;u=;t=1234826746;m=21513947;s=1447429129; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 10 18:05:32 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30830;u=;t=1234826746;m=1293444357;s=1447429129; From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue Feb 10 19:24:15 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30831;u=;t=1234826746;m=2031551160;s=1447429129; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 20:33:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83830 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2009 04:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2009 04:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2009 04:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2009 04:33:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2009 04:33:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:33:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <526502.84574.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.152 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio situation in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=V5Pl6DvIvkNdechKdyPzp5sL-4pmIOmxvTdtJuHASQFqwAZ7bg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, keith beesley =20 wrote: > >=20 > Juan,=20 >=20 > That's very interesting, at least to me. Do you have any=20 statistics about formats, e.g. how many play news, talk, Chilean pop=20 music, classical music, etc? >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Keith B.=20 > Seattle WA USA (E.E.U.U.) >=20 I don't know if there is some "official" statistics about your=20 question. My personal opinion is: a 90% of the stations have: 50% music (where the first place is the tropical dancing=20 music+mexician style music, spanish of course) 30% celebrities gossips (we called it "far=E1ndula") 10% sports+news 10% political talks The other 10% of the stations has a very select listeners (classical=20 music, religion, etc.) I repeat, it is my personal opinion, not an official statistic. Whatever, the great, great, SO GREAT problem in Chile is... almost=20 50% of the stations are REPEATEARS of some Santiago (the chilean=20 capital) central station. So we lost that old "local" feeling the=20 radio had in the glorious days. "My" station is one of the minor samples of a full local station (we=20 are called "brontosaurus" of the air, hihihihihi). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w6yn@juno.com Wed Feb 11 16:05:12 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30833;u=;t=1234826747;m=388750456;s=1266987481; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 17:31:01 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30834;u=;t=1234826747;m=1613211571;s=2735681484; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 11 18:57:19 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30835;u=;t=1234826747;m=976933859;s=2735681484; From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Feb 11 19:12:01 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30836;u=;t=1234826747;m=632457524;s=2735681484; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 11 23:50:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31367 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2009 07:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2009 07:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.91) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2009 07:49:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56806 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2009 07:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i4j0t9) (jimsmith95650@71.155.150.180 with login) by smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2009 07:49:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xoymwFAVM1nUpvRv3RvgXC7VJeHfXGM7Sacp5007NIHp2QNhcPvSDjdb9aqey0hfLjM0cEzRmKVfYuS.YzzT01i.lY1Tjs_Fd_3dMKj9bfhlMXGlf6h8D_GTmcvDj7la3N_7fTKCG6WTND.itdjNM94S X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000a01c98ce6$ba0ab380$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:50:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.91 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: More of the some old X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=FCrRmWId4rr-DI1QLa3RclO-Ay-yVPfZrC6Zym5VBE_TYnOUS3CYW5uwH0YQGBh1QsAv5s7e X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang That's to bad that music cost so much to play on the air. There is not much verity any more on the air that's what is driving listener away from radio. Its just the same old same old talk talk talk and that is be pushed on to FM that's to bad. Jim Smith A listener [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 12 07:55:14 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30838;u=;t=1234826747;m=1261379252;s=2735681484; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Feb 12 09:35:13 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30839;u=;t=1234826747;m=305021944;s=2735681484; From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Feb 12 14:38:48 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30840;u=;t=1234826747;m=1860490112;s=2735681484; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 12 16:11:00 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30841;u=;t=1234826747;m=194319996;s=498399432; From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 12 16:59:57 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30842;u=;t=1234826748;m=180522236;s=3102513443; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 17:23:38 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30843;u=;t=1234826748;m=989011242;s=2735681484; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 17:24:44 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30844;u=;t=1234826748;m=87639450;s=2735681484; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 17:26:42 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30845;u=;t=1234826748;m=564843499;s=1993663186; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 19:51:02 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30846;u=;t=1234826776;m=1148137540;s=1993663186; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 12 22:35:49 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30847;u=;t=1234826776;m=1592078585;s=385623455; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 13 00:00:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97414 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 08:00:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2009 08:00:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp117.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.90) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2009 08:00:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41260 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 08:00:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i4j0t9) (jimsmith95650@75.19.159.34 with login) by smtp117.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2009 08:00:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: x7qxHjoVM1lAKlBHaMxezrnY8CFCSYnelxtOaOWoC2XE2jB8cN9hjdsvuZsR1X35J2ib3uEsiguwqt2soMisiKeC0L.knRB9uE3jqu06DYMXgBOaJ8m93br3NVMEB2etYRxEOBgptRHNLeXZUi1FlKcy X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000a01c98db1$6def58e0$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:02:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.90 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: More AM STEREO on E BAY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=5VSoKkqDcKZYK76QOooQrZC_L2V7KBjETkE9mb_haQ22ERc8IZcIw248MIG41fZpmi7Uy7Ls X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Boy theres more AM STEREO on E BAY than on the forum. To much politics for me. I thought this place was to help bring back AM STEREO insted of politics. Jim Smith NOR CAL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 06:11:01 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30849;u=;t=1234826776;m=281973869;s=1993663186; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 06:14:41 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30850;u=;t=1234826776;m=1650994742;s=1993663186; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 06:18:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63692 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 14:18:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2009 14:18:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2009 14:18:08 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d57.1ad57cce (41811) for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:18:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:18:02 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} More of the some old X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Bjb151ypezB9jxHJeHLC-PNbQFx0hT9lJfFprg7AL732zmcpTe6D5VWVXO_Vd3dV X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, I am not sure if it is variety or just the darth of good programming. Sirius has over of 100 channels and there isn't anything worth listening to on it. Top 40 had tight rotation (read: limited variety) and it was pretty good. Mike ************** Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 06:28:47 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30852;u=;t=1234826776;m=777950249;s=1153888817; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 06:41:12 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30853;u=;t=1234826776;m=2103256369;s=2188007791; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 06:45:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6096 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 14:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2009 14:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2009 14:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cf6.4c103a4f (41811) for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:45:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:45:50 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=OpSCZ5G_Vxdqdj0JnKf0HcOpqBKDBFiVsm0CN1NXjGJ9pkVmHkxmsvVP4tu9yIoX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Part 15 AM BCB stations are allowed to use any form of modulation so long as the DC input to the final radio stage is less than 100 mW and the combined length of the antenna, lead and ground wires are less than 3 meters. A while back, some hams on this forum were doing non-CQUAM AM Stereo. Generating the C-QUAM signal is a Rube Goldberg affair. Mike ************** Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 06:51:39 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30855;u=;t=1234826776;m=869355315;s=1447429129; From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 06:54:15 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30856;u=;t=1234826776;m=1653783567;s=385623455; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 07:02:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27261 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 15:02:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2009 15:02:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2009 15:02:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bec.33b0da56 (41811) for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:02:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:02:35 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=sZQUydj-CPHF9l4BvAQ9FE5Zi636_hEHVh5hQ5b3phV3n-rBB85bVhs6hX9CgPX4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Like I said, I am not sure why the Motorola system went about its AM Stereo system the way it did. In reading the paper, the claim was smaller bandwidth, which was neither theoretically explained nor practically demonstrated. Generating the Motorola CQUAM signal is a complicated affair. If not for being able to integrate all the functions in silicon, I don't know know it would have been practical. That may have been the idea behind it as Motorola was not only a communications company, but it was a chip manufacturer as well. Mike ************** Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 07:31:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43299 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 15:31:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2009 15:31:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2009 15:31:03 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cec.4f5d1180 (41811) for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:30:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:30:03 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} About YouTube videos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=0SaLqigwrz1KcnECwBMWIJHQ7fdSHJjKyoMg6mfbUUocodIFOLW9HdjX8GqlBrM3 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/09 9:31:13 AM Central Standard Time, mtgc@hotmail.com writes: > Tis a shame what has happened to WOWO in the years since I listened. I > guess the real crusher was the drop in night time power to protect a certain > station in New York, I believe. > Thanks to reducing WOWO's power from 50kW at night and transferring it's Class I status to a station in NYC, a relatively new station was licensed in St. Louis on 1190. You think 9800 watts is a real crusher, KRFT operates with a sorching power of 22 watts at night which allows it to lay down an urban contour all the way to the farthest corners of its transmitter site's parking lot. Mike ************** Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 13 07:49:34 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30859;u=;t=1234826776;m=453943493;s=385623455; From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 13 08:04:23 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30860;u=;t=1234826776;m=7439565;s=2215810021; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Feb 13 08:45:39 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30861;u=;t=1234826776;m=1666734928;s=1993663186; From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 13 09:37:03 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30862;u=;t=1234826805;m=60905227;s=1053758865; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 13 11:27:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79292 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 19:27:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2009 19:27:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2009 19:27:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.247] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090213132704000158900010.0) with SMTP id <20090213132704000158900010> for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:27:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <011001c98e11$d33628e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000a01c98db1$6def58e0$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:27:04 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} More AM STEREO on E BAY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=7kee9nah2MicFs5wEBOrQ19O7mfCOBqJZFtXPiWFYBF6RVlUS8ml X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's only one thing that will bring it back and that's for people on this list to get rich enough to buy stations and (re)install the equipment. The government isn't going to do it for us. Of course with taxes going up to pay for this phony stimulus bill that's becoming all the harder to do. Can't buy a station without getting at least a little bit rich. Pointing these facts out means you can't really get away from politics either. With billions going to condoms for high school kids it may stimulate a lot of things but the economy isn't one of them. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Hi Gang Boy theres more AM STEREO on E BAY than on the forum. To much politics for me. I thought this place was to help bring back AM STEREO insted of politics. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 13 11:31:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32971 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 19:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2009 19:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2009 19:31:28 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.247] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090213133107000669700010.0) with SMTP id <20090213133107000669700010> for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:31:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <014801c98e12$63bf3280$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20090210.173901.5438.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:31:07 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KLOS FM/HD3 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=thpP_X24Vpc1OjktIuBEyJwqMHH8HFOpfqh4G-s-Lg3_Zaqr5Moa X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WCCO is being simulcast on sister WLTE HD-2. There seems to be a fair amount of this sort of thing. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: {AMSF} KLOS FM/HD3 KLOS FM/HD3 in Los Angeles is simulcasting KABC-AM 790. Considering that KLOS has better(quieting)coverage than KABC, this seems to work well. This may become more common as time goes by. Don --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 13 11:43:11 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30865;u=;t=1234826806;m=1737309477;s=1153888817; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 13 11:58:20 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30866;u=;t=1234826806;m=479195471;s=2735681484; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 13 12:26:11 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30867;u=;t=1234826806;m=1111562559;s=2735681484; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 13 12:45:33 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30868;u=;t=1234826806;m=447296509;s=1447429129; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 13 12:47:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85617 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2009 20:46:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2009 20:46:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2009 20:46:59 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.247] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090213144636001428800011.0) with SMTP id <20090213144636001428800011> for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:46:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01ee01c98e1c$f0c76e40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:46:36 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Juan Gualda X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=gI9UuZfO6EF9GkAcpaO7Ic6cSobGm_f_Nd4UulKpe9BNBnVJzFzW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're not alone, Juan. It happens to me sometimes too. Gettin' old isn't for sissies. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Gualda To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Damn...It was Yes, Acronyms ALWAYS CAN SPELL MANY FUNNY.....and I forgot the rest...I am sure It was funny or clever at the time, but now maybe it was neither ...LOL I'm losing my mind..... --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 13 14:47:34 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30870;u=;t=1234826806;m=2013570834;s=1993663186; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 14:57:46 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30871;u=;t=1234826806;m=1387514457;s=1993663186; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 15:00:22 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30872;u=;t=1234826806;m=1449260611;s=1153888817; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 15:09:53 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30873;u=;t=1234826818;m=1056869248;s=385623455; From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 13 15:21:45 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30874;u=;t=1234826818;m=1960462725;s=385623455; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 15:35:23 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30875;u=;t=1234826818;m=736923544;s=2958751388; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 15:43:36 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30876;u=;t=1234826818;m=1073388818;s=2188007791; From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 13 15:47:16 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30877;u=;t=1234826818;m=636457678;s=2958751388; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 15:50:03 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30878;u=;t=1234826818;m=1972492912;s=2735681484; From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 13 15:53:57 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30879;u=;t=1234826818;m=1775862503;s=2188007791; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 15:55:22 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30880;u=;t=1234826818;m=1046032845;s=385623455; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 15:59:17 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30881;u=;t=1234826831;m=1022498041;s=2188007791; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 16:12:26 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30882;u=;t=1234826831;m=604519296;s=651422799; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 16:53:41 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30883;u=;t=1234826831;m=387160406;s=2188007791; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 16:54:21 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30884;u=;t=1234826831;m=650887709;s=385623455; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 16:55:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15884 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2009 00:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2009 00:55:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2009 00:55:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83569 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2009 00:55:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kxgzuHkVM1mMEXOQJl6RcDpSYiR77D5QbiohkUDAOGB0lHMle1GwlO7G1_iIxG8XzrNr8UZUG6OhWvd3bHb2Dzbh_KiB82TUTpYQoYuwzqEWD47k698jKfi6hLG9AgrrO7qw1dDRRNrGmLD5OM_Pn9YseLN3hwNU_pyAC0eJ6ARaGigDtqxx_2PqUikvSYAOX4BDuUm4_dWJcBbwCelJ2rxtXQj.Dk1M2DP2 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:55:11 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:55:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <907073.82428.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=FqkadGEyEF7w-LyggW9_NPa7LYVKWQ-PtiYYV0Cro_HdUw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yeah, old Rube wouldn't like PMX...it's too straightforward! G --- On Fri, 2/13/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 9:45 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Part 15 AM BCB stations are allowed to use > any form of modulation so long as=20 >=20 > the DC input to the final radio stage is less than 100 mW > and the combined=20 >=20 > length of the antenna, lead and ground wires are less than > 3 meters. >=20 >=20 >=20 > A while back, some hams on this forum were doing non-CQUAM > AM Stereo.=20=20 >=20 > Generating the C-QUAM signal is a Rube Goldberg affair. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************ ** >=20 > Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near=20 >=20 > you now. (http://yellowpages. > aol.com/search? query=3Dflorist& amp; >=20 > ncid=3Demlcntusyelp00 000002) >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 16:57:33 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30886;u=;t=1234826831;m=978481871;s=385623455; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 16:59:27 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30887;u=;t=1234826831;m=1817643658;s=1993663186; From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 13 17:02:28 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30888;u=;t=1234826831;m=1571472002;s=385623455; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 17:04:20 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30889;u=;t=1234826860;m=2138623660;s=1153888817; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 17:05:14 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30890;u=;t=1234826860;m=678700420;s=1153888817; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 17:08:07 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30891;u=;t=1234826860;m=411822477;s=1993663186; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 17:09:21 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30892;u=;t=1234826860;m=479392665;s=2735681484; From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 17:13:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39227 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2009 01:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2009 01:13:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2009 01:13:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cb3.4e0c066e (37145) for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:12:57 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA037-5c5949961abb178; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:13:38 -0500 X-Received: from Webmail-mg18 (webmail-mg18.sim.aol.com [64.12.142.166]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA037-5c5949961abb178; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:13:31 -0500 References: <000a01c98db1$6def58e0$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> <011001c98e11$d33628e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:13:31 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <011001c98e11$d33628e0$d503fea9@stodd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by Webmail-mg18.sim.aol.com (64.12.142.166) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:13:31 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB5C58958982BF-1448-1EE6@Webmail-mg18.sim.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} More AM STEREO on E BAY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=SN9cLGGtnGJdQM4w5Xih3VybkDWY1g5hvktgnWzw_0HqGlA6zzyhKGX-l5rgV70S X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's only one thing that will bring it back and that's for people on this list to get rich enough to buy stations and (re)install the equipment. The government isn't going to do it for us. Scott, Give President Obama some time.? He has been in office for under a month and this is only the FIRST stimulus bill.? By the time Stimulus 50th comes out, everyone will probably have an AM Station License included with their stimulus checks. Mike -----Original Message----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 1:27 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} More AM STEREO on E BAY There's only one thing that will bring it back and that's for people on this list to get rich enough to buy stations and (re)install the equipment. The government isn't going to do it for us. Of course with taxes going up to pay for this phony stimulus bill that's becoming all the harder to do. Can't buy a station without getting at least a little bit rich. Pointing these facts out means you can't really get away from politics either. With billions going to condoms for high school kids it may stimulate a lot of things but the economy isn't one of them. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Hi Gang Boy theres more AM STEREO on E BAY than on the forum. To much politics for me. I thought this place was to help bring back AM STEREO insted of politics. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 13 17:16:01 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30894;u=;t=1234826860;m=2063781911;s=1153888817; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 13 17:17:40 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30895;u=;t=1234826860;m=1902371093;s=2052039902; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Feb 13 17:18:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39395 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2009 01:18:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2009 01:18:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost06.isp.att.net) (207.115.11.56) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2009 01:18:06 -0000 X-Received: from juan (adsl-149-52-115.mia.bellsouth.net[70.149.52.115]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20090214011332H06001ac91e>; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:13:32 +0000 To: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:13:30 -0500 Message-ID: <00f601c98e41$735a5c90$5a0f15b0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: AcmOQXKKE1ba2+soRjKwUVz0ZVoYDw== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: 207.115.11.56 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda" Subject: WGTN Georgetown SC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=sH-qEA-U-VEInCo6OwsEWs55RFpjNE_D6ikGadMa0ur03Jc X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody know what AM Stereo system WGTN used ? I emailed the owner back when they were playing music a couple years ago, and he told me it was still stereo, but when I went through town about a week later, I didn't hear it with my SRF-42. I wonder if he used/used a different system. Juan (Yankee Juan) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 13 17:20:15 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30897;u=;t=1234826879;m=497629184;s=2958751388; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Feb 13 17:33:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36894 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2009 01:33:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2009 01:33:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2009 01:33:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2009 01:33:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2009 01:33:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:33:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CB5C58958982BF-1448-1EE6@Webmail-mg18.sim.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.107.82 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: More AM STEREO on E BAY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=S8rrwJ7zEsnIbJvMNHO2_01QfGLAPuZjzMibCJIkiJ10BeInZJe9j4xjN0rCN8Lh-_fv4EtP X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@...=20 wrote:=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 >=20 > There's only one thing that will bring it back and that's for=20 people on this list to get rich enough to buy stations and (re) install the equipment. The government isn't going to do it for us. > Scott,=20 >=20 > Give President Obama some time.? He has been in office for under a=20 month and this is only the FIRST stimulus bill.? By the time Stimulus=20 50th comes out, everyone will probably have an AM Station License=20 included with their stimulus checks. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: scottn0bst@... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 1:27 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} More AM STEREO on E BAY >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > There's only one thing that will bring it back and that's for=20 people on this list to get rich enough to buy stations and (re) install the equipment. The government isn't going to do it for us. Of=20 course with taxes going up to pay for this phony stimulus bill that's=20 becoming all the harder to do. Can't buy a station without getting at=20 least a little bit rich. Pointing these facts out means you can't=20 really get away from politics either. With billions going to condoms=20 for high school kids it may stimulate a lot of things but the economy=20 isn't one of them. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jimsmith95650@...=20 > To: am stereo forum=20 > Hi Gang Boy theres more AM STEREO on E BAY than on the forum. To=20 much politics for me. I thought this place was to help bring back AM=20 STEREO insted of politics.=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang Dose any one here show or tell any one about this site and=20 ask for AM STEREO from your broadcasters. I think thats what Kevin=20 Terkel Chris Cuff wanted to have happen on this site. Insted of=20 politic B.S .Jim Smith NOR CAL From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 05:12:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27603 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2009 13:12:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2009 13:12:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2009 13:12:01 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98992 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2009 13:11:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: x_BKG5sVM1kUZvXfxZwUeZuDCuiIAaFRVjG_oZP4YQ9K3KWDwob0WMx5TeUfdojkRJgaTbo1RBvS81CqXFpLAu34lZzakQZcS.hCZiBz15u7qfH2RcbCRzKfFS6cmEawJA57StIlRYReLytYTzs3HMWSr9UwSqKUfpCdN1UT58.rXIECTyFyTrO7N6sPfThcIC8JQq2noUcUKZD_9GswZJlpVVI70PSpfloMDvuTg2FKzORNhJgKs9ODh7S7.RCV X-Received: from [64.222.38.37] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:11:57 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:11:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <907073.82428.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <160171.95777.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=cza3wMDe7wOkEQXn0_pWHDMjq8ZxU0k2_S3PhxdnZITrDby5hXqE X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now I need to find a Magnavox exciter & fire it up on HF when my girlfriend= & I move into a house.=A0 I'm gonna MAKE DAMN SURE there are no deed restr= ictions or covenants! 73, Jay, N1WVQ (V31VQ renewal has snagged) --- On Fri, 2/13/09, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 7:55 PM =20=20=20=20 Yeah, old Rube wouldn't like PMX...it's too straightforward! G --- On Fri, 2/13/09, mjgrant@aol. com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol. com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 9:45 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Part 15 AM BCB stations are allowed to use > any form of modulation so long as=20 >=20 > the DC input to the final radio stage is less than 100 mW > and the combined=20 >=20 > length of the antenna, lead and ground wires are less than > 3 meters. >=20 >=20 >=20 > A while back, some hams on this forum were doing non-CQUAM > AM Stereo.=20=20 >=20 > Generating the C-QUAM signal is a Rube Goldberg affair. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************ ** >=20 > Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near=20 >=20 > you now. (http://yellowpages. > aol.com/search? query=3Dflorist& amp; >=20 > ncid=3Demlcntusyelp00 000002) >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Feb 14 09:40:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68408 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2009 17:40:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2009 17:40:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2009 17:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d19.382fbfd6 (14502) for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:40:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:40:40 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More AM STEREO on E BAY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lIkMaAmHFXlbQ7ECuD4MR9aFoupz_EXZ8mbW1ln7XlEHi1QvlxRGfB4m4nZL75DU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to see more AM Stereo on eBay. They have more radios from the 1920s than they do AMS equipment. As for Yahoogroups with alot of AMS discussion, you might try some of the Linday Lohan or Paris Hilton sites. Lohan is really sold on CQuam but Paris keeps arguing for the Kahn system. Britney hasn't weighed in yet as she wants to review her Carson and Fourier calculations first. Mike ************** Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Feb 14 09:44:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23915 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2009 17:44:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2009 17:44:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2009 17:44:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.ccf.49c2c300 (14502) for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:44:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:44:38 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qMIJ806RbxH4M7tvHPtmxt-vFePJLDgz7JUmFEytXf7_7AYkdBOY2Wt9HAMfMs6u X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/14/09 7:12:17 AM Central Standard Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > Now I need to find a Magnavox exciter & fire it up on HF when my girlfriend > & I move into a house. I'm gonna MAKE DAMN SURE there are no deed > restrictions or covenants! > Good luck with that. The Magnavox exciter, that is. Depending on your electric utility, you might have better luck with carrier current at 530 khz. There is a fair amount of old LPB CC couplers around for a reasonable price. Mike ************** Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Feb 14 09:47:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29886 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2009 17:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2009 17:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2009 17:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d61.42bcbc90 (14502) for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:47:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:47:21 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=UXohmaluV4p7Ct5W9rXKzXFK0Et1-Fm9vzvC_XdbkuMnzfVGqN3h44Hm6hjTr9aB X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/14/09 7:12:17 AM Central Standard Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > I'm gonna MAKE DAMN SURE there are no deed restrictions or covenants! > > There is a subdivision covenant in my deed that says I can't sell my house to a "Negro" or Jew. Yeah, like they would want to lower themselves to live in my subdivision. Mike ************** Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Feb 14 09:51:15 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30903;u=;t=1234826911;m=1146239168;s=1153888817; From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Feb 14 09:59:13 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30904;u=;t=1234826911;m=1731536176;s=2052039902; From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Feb 14 10:18:43 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30905;u=;t=1234826911;m=869676894;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Feb 14 10:33:12 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30906;u=;t=1234826911;m=916464857;s=664451296; From w6yn@juno.com Sat Feb 14 17:43:54 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30907;u=;t=1234826911;m=295194827;s=2733907665; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 17:52:23 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30908;u=;t=1234826911;m=831394328;s=2188007791; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 17:56:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4549 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2009 01:56:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2009 01:56:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2009 01:56:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2009 01:56:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2009 01:56:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 01:56:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.77 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Wu444EC6WSMwh8f6Eq96IyvZA6wJkFWLlJGUTEgmp0N768V1sQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 2/14/09 7:12:17 AM Central Standard Time,=20 > a1asurfradio@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > I'm gonna MAKE DAMN SURE there are no deed restrictions or=20 covenants! > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > There is a subdivision covenant in my deed that says I can't sell=20 my house to=20 > a "Negro" or Jew. Yeah, like they would want to lower themselves=20 to live in=20 > my subdivision. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Are you kidding? Is it true? Is it legal? Is it true in the country=20 who says "we fight against the racism" to the four corners of the=20 universe? ??? Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w6yn@juno.com Sat Feb 14 18:05:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21683 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2009 02:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2009 02:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2009 02:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE3Q8BPANHEEVJ for (sender ); Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:04:29 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD6g3CF6qyZzZWMuowiicFpY= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N9EHVTVB; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:04:15 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.43] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 02:04:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 02:04:06 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090214.180406.27441.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 11:5:679740312 X-MAIL-INFO:591aaa6a8e57b3c7d78e3f9f073797bf27e7676f07d7022f3b174fe77f0efbe302e32b2e0e3b5a37ba1e9f1f3b37ef837ebbaf9faf4f872a13 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=GxZD8qXt5DHhw4HBq_KBFnsaJzLkWtLWiy-2vmR5mw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn These are called restrictive covenants. In many cases before the 1960s, these covenants were used for segregationis= t purposes. In the case of Shelley v. Kraemer, the United States Supreme Co= urt ruled that it would be unconstitutional for the courts to enforce racia= lly restrictive covenants, and such covenants no longer have any force. We fight for freedom. That covers everything. Don -- "jotape1960" wrote: Are you kidding? Is it true? Is it legal? Is it true in the country=20 who says "we fight against the racism" to the four corners of the=20 universe? ??? Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love ---- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 2/14/09 7:12:17 AM Central Standard Time,=20 > a1asurfradio@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > I'm gonna MAKE DAMN SURE there are no deed restrictions or=20 covenants! > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > There is a subdivision covenant in my deed that says I can't sell=20 my house to=20 > a "Negro" or Jew. Yeah, like they would want to lower themselves=20 to live in=20 > my subdivision. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 19:13:16 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30911;u=;t=1234826911;m=1555967420;s=1447429129; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 14 19:23:21 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30912;u=;t=1234826911;m=481418159;s=1447429129; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Feb 14 19:24:40 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30913;u=;t=1234826911;m=1623285169;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Feb 14 19:30:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42167 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2009 03:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2009 03:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2009 03:30:38 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c23.570ed65a (14501) for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:30:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:30:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=AM0oASwiDEmWacVE0L3URMcq02hqrpXSCLtU1nUzoRMOWhkgo6CnpMnngEr8nS35 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/14/09 7:56:40 PM Central Standard Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > Are you kidding? Is it true? Is it legal? Is it true in the country > who says "we fight against the racism" to the four corners of the > universe? ??? > Absolutely. We were founded on the proposition that all men are created equal when one man could own another and women had no vote. The covenant is an exercise in a Right Wing myth called the freedom to contract. There is no such thing. While some might argue that slavery was the norm for the middle of 19th. Century, which it wasn't, the Armed Forces of the United States were segregated until the middle of 20th. Century. As for Native Americans, well, that is truly a sad tale. The United States of America has always been a nation of high ideas. The problem has been it hasn't always lived up to those ideas. Mike ************** Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000002) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Feb 14 19:32:52 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30915;u=;t=1234826911;m=117620258;s=1447429129; From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Feb 14 19:37:53 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30916;u=;t=1234826911;m=445335669;s=2188007791; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 19:38:37 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30917;u=;t=1234826911;m=761935062;s=1447429129; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 20:10:57 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30918;u=;t=1234826911;m=1357391190;s=1447429129; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Feb 14 20:30:48 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30919;u=;t=1234826911;m=1774226062;s=1447429129; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Feb 14 20:42:06 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30920;u=;t=1234826911;m=1102838700;s=1447429129; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 20:47:28 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30921;u=;t=1234826911;m=1421084282;s=2052039902; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Feb 14 20:56:49 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30922;u=;t=1234826911;m=1412425507;s=1447429129; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Feb 14 20:59:08 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30923;u=;t=1234826911;m=1021790980;s=2188007791; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 15 00:43:04 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30924;u=;t=1234826911;m=802795480;s=1447429129; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 15 00:53:05 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30925;u=;t=1234826911;m=1805971220;s=1447429129; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 15 01:47:29 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30926;u=;t=1234826911;m=477905025;s=1943129086; From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Feb 15 05:55:13 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30927;u=;t=1234826911;m=1157288547;s=1447429129; From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Feb 15 05:58:04 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30928;u=;t=1234826911;m=1174607795;s=1447429129; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 06:47:19 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30929;u=;t=1234826911;m=134999074;s=1447429129; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 08:38:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70496 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2009 16:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2009 16:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n3.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.110) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2009 16:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.90] by n3.bullet.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2009 16:38:00 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.111.169] by t6.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2009 16:38:00 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2009 16:38:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 669076.72671.bm@omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 75988 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2009 16:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.137 with plain) by smtp112.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2009 16:11:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wY5aG1UVM1kzCFUwC8zBDROSg1lYMEdVB2cAIfYzUY52n5FZee5zxSprvXW85Pu5Z7du41LndyI4zuXQTUE9v9SOidhu5s_AKmyyLEVAwe6ijOcLEZ85SBEJbx7f93uQBuh0o802QnX_w2LnjtYLhjgVPrIpVoUZEDZepjIzcLymQdyagdseur8TB50- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <61298818-9042-4038-8F27-23A9C51FB28D@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:11:18 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: IDing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=LkJoUXTuw0ZcqZGFMNeFZkxu44FumJLPpUaX7Gh_fvMG1ZLDTA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some of you are working at stations and I don't understand radio stations and their owners. Many stations suck and run satellite programming 24/7. Thats their prerogative if they want to run shit. They own the station. What I want to know is why so many stations DO NOT ID ever. Not at the top of the hour as required for sure. The FCC surely is vestigial and useless because they NEVER will fine a station for not IDing. Are station operators and owners so freaking lazy that they can't get a computer to add an ID? Are station operators and owners so embarrassed at the crap they put on the air that they don't want to ID? Could it be that their station is so sloppy that they won't ID because they are afraid someone will call the FCC on them and they will get a big fat fine that they deserve? What is it and why do so many stations NEVER ID anymore? You guys run the stations and it got much worse over the PREVIOUS EIGHT YEARS, why no IDing these days? Is it so hard to say "WKWK Radio City" at the top of the hour? Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 08:51:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36027 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2009 16:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2009 16:51:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2009 16:51:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87294 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2009 16:51:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: F9vNz0YVM1ltIo_KhvBlIC0BadUfg5edDXfdYVKeoT5_QfR8t3Uy0qVUECmFeqlC.jYKBLtdqHRSKSQdH651nLJdYrHLC0LWlpN2fDi6OcAhJG8dAs_z4XdSMPU.oIJuktRzA_R3g5eBKTauxxDiJZcCuTvQddJyKwdm2RHxNS1lHFjSxcomAJA9_PZnpa1L2JYttKXlEuHP6XNgE0upEI1jDRGqliQGJNzB8H5t X-Received: from [209.213.19.68] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:51:35 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:51:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <267665.84124.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KAHN ISB is on the air! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=MteZBUsnMDP-NadPrdSNqis_5aZdXYF_GaBTg4mjIwk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW That was probably put in there many decades ago. It would not hold up in co= urt now.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 2/14/09, jotape1960 wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: {AMSF} Re: KAHN ISB is on the air! > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 8:56 PM > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 2/14/09 7:12:17 AM Central Standard > Time,=20 > > a1asurfradio@... writes: > >=20 > >=20 > > > I'm gonna MAKE DAMN SURE there are no deed > restrictions or=20 > covenants! > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > There is a subdivision covenant in my deed that says I > can't sell=20 > my house to=20 > > a "Negro" or Jew. Yeah, like they would > want to lower themselves=20 > to live in=20 > > my subdivision. > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > Are you kidding? Is it true? Is it legal? Is it true in the > country=20 > who says "we fight against the racism" to the > four corners of the=20 > universe? ??? >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 08:54:30 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30932;u=;t=1234826911;m=770639940;s=1447429129; From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 09:01:13 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30933;u=;t=1234826938;m=1813593562;s=1447429129; From w6yn@juno.com Sun Feb 15 09:04:59 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30934;u=;t=1234826938;m=805067907;s=2921753546; From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 09:07:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76128 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2009 17:07:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2009 17:07:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2009 17:07:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73454 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2009 17:07:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: It2lRRgVM1nQaKIvZZmF_luAGPk9wvGZv7ECYTi0A7Sj7hgmxhw8uClAl1R6DGrRtEL9rcTZxseeWZ0N9UR5JlbFP2Cmjb_oblW4a3FlD8_pytN.CltKE0.j2DVIF.b_QYMYCsHcg0wnYIUoPq.RTkS0V1OpmvOffeEDuw9S4YOuSFkOtzjhra3TDFDWt2ngQInI3.kAUh14vpeXRYmuv6Tw X-Received: from [209.213.19.68] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:07:28 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:07:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c98f52$a7df76a0$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <647716.73415.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Top 40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9qJ_5ZzTo5hqKgFzC4QAegeQ4d0fz2w4bPKiqnTva5k X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Top 40 is sorta alive on FM, they just don't call it that anymore... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 09:12:03 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30936;u=;t=1234826938;m=2136108806;s=2946381331; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Feb 15 09:16:35 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30937;u=;t=1234826938;m=548603152;s=858406931; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 15 11:53:38 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30938;u=;t=1234826938;m=62606722;s=2052039902; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 15 12:00:56 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30939;u=;t=1234826938;m=489094429;s=1447429129; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 12:09:05 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30940;u=;t=1234826938;m=1615047763;s=2052039902; From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 12:11:03 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30941;u=;t=1234826938;m=1482375098;s=2052039902; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 12:14:36 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30942;u=;t=1234826938;m=1640543058;s=2052039902; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 15 12:18:59 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30943;u=;t=1234826938;m=844815054;s=1447429129; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 15 12:25:53 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30944;u=;t=1234826938;m=1257331570;s=2052039902; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 15 12:29:06 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30945;u=;t=1234826938;m=2131209264;s=2188007791; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 15 12:32:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55814 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2009 20:32:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2009 20:32:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2009 20:32:39 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.72] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090215143217002389100010.0) with SMTP id <20090215143217002389100010> for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:32:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <013a01c98fad$473f1340$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <61298818-9042-4038-8F27-23A9C51FB28D@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:32:17 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IDing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=wcb8V8BcofO-SdPiMSZk4rVLU-_jKIMIB4E7QdAYRPxcroh6wxkl X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Kev, the law of averages would predict that we'd have to agree sometime, and this is a hot-button issue for me too. It doesn't seem to be all that bad around here, but I've been in other places around the country where it is. I would think if the FCC can easily create a money machine going after stations with missing or inadequate public files, you'd think they could create another one with this. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com What I want to know is why so many stations DO NOT ID ever. Not at the top of the hour as required for sure. The FCC surely is vestigial and useless because they NEVER will fine a station for not IDing. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 15 12:33:51 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30947;u=;t=1234826938;m=1450560709;s=1447429129; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 15 12:42:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28796 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2009 20:42:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2009 20:42:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2009 20:42:30 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.72] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090215144210000526500010.0) with SMTP id <20090215144210000526500010> for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:42:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <017901c98fae$a87e49e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:42:10 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: identical exciters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=-NX3HcT1KsVXJAiAiYAzmb-7eHBujWxuCtkfn38yFroCp1nI1FlF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Something I didn't know until I went to the BE website to download the manuals for the AX-10 AM stereo exciter- the Motorola 1400 (second generation exciter) is a rebadged BE unit. Just a little AM stereo trivia to get away from the politics. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 15 12:50:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95900 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2009 20:50:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2009 20:50:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2009 20:50:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.72] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090215145042002766900017.0) with SMTP id <20090215145042002766900017> for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:50:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01c201c98faf$daebb920$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <00f601c98e41$735a5c90$5a0f15b0$@net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:50:42 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGTN Georgetown SC X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ARbQxuK8WrKEAKdoeMEiMXwBpG94CezJs3jMvm5Ne4ra8gJKILdB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it's been in the past decade it would have to have been CQUAM or some other system jury-rigged to be received on such radios. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: J Gualda To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 7:18 PM Anybody know what AM Stereo system WGTN used ? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 15 13:07:16 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30950;u=;t=1234826938;m=2141150475;s=1447429129; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 15 13:12:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8179 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2009 21:12:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2009 21:12:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2009 21:12:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2009 21:12:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2009 21:12:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:12:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <647716.73415.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.23.83 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: Top 40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=FJ5fCw3BA3jaKOb_2FAm6ZEfHFPp5msAt0AXZEHGoT5oxPIO-jOsP2UNwrXcQ_6kslb-_Gsv X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" =20 wrote: > >=20 > Top 40 is sorta alive on FM, they just don't call it that anymore... >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > Hi Gang OK It still seems to working than . Why not bring it back to=20 the dieing band AM. Gee no wonder its dieing it sounds the same and in=20 mono still. Jim S From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 15 13:16:34 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30952;u=;t=1234826938;m=2058955049;s=2708255592; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 15 13:45:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88145 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2009 21:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2009 21:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2009 21:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.72] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090215154525001118900010.0) with SMTP id <20090215154525001118900010> for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:45:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <025a01c98fb7$7e773ae0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 15:45:25 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Top 40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ELgUhYgOuQF5Y3SY2JMRi0kGYASxkumPgeGT5yOTAsKqIs-Rkxi1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think your question has been answered numerous times in the past. Music abandoned AM for FM before the FCC got its act together on AM stereo. Not that some sort of music can't be brought back to AM. I remember one oldies station we used to have here that would play stuff not heard on the FM oldies station and it was on its way to becoming a fairly successful station. Unfortunately the owner decided to sell as the format made the station worth more and the new owners didn't keep the format. Station was and still is mono. To get music back on AM may be harder than ever if the music industry gets its way on increased royalty fees. To do so will require a few things a lot of owners aren't necessarily prepared to handle- the worst one being in many cases it will take a lot of money to operate the station as it will take time to develop both the format and the audience before the station will become profitable. It will have to be unique in that it finds an unserved audience plus it will also have to be very locally focused. Then if the station is stereo, they'll have to get the word out on what radios can pick it up in stereo and where their listeners can find them. A mass appeal format on AM will lose to one on FM every time unless there is a large increase in the numbers of AM stereo radios. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Why not bring it back to the dieing band AM. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 15:05:53 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30954;u=;t=1234826938;m=24431401;s=1447429129; From w6yn@juno.com Sun Feb 15 15:18:59 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30955;u=;t=1234826938;m=570829234;s=600334759; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 15 15:26:31 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30956;u=;t=1234826939;m=635973484;s=1447429129; From w6yn@juno.com Sun Feb 15 15:26:53 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30957;u=;t=1234826939;m=1015907624;s=3533682509; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 15:49:17 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30958;u=;t=1234826959;m=1638704761;s=1447429129; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 16:28:11 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30959;u=;t=1234826959;m=100442035;s=10375781; From mspproductions@gmail.com Sun Feb 15 16:57:11 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30960;u=;t=1234826959;m=869568097;s=1533275774; From w6yn@juno.com Sun Feb 15 17:42:52 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30961;u=;t=1234826960;m=764470711;s=1533275774; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 17:47:20 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30962;u=;t=1234826960;m=210956386;s=1533275774; From w6yn@juno.com Sun Feb 15 18:05:06 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30963;u=;t=1234826960;m=293057743;s=3765002467; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 18:09:26 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30964;u=;t=1234826960;m=665539687;s=3765002467; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Feb 15 18:55:38 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30965;u=;t=1234826960;m=93095018;s=3688629304; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Feb 15 20:07:21 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30966;u=;t=1234826960;m=2074747631;s=527291191; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 20:11:55 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30967;u=;t=1234826960;m=1434611754;s=527291191; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Feb 15 20:15:32 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30968;u=;t=1234826960;m=1838346567;s=1447429129; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Feb 15 20:18:25 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30969;u=;t=1234826960;m=1336487807;s=1447429129; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Feb 15 20:22:20 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30970;u=;t=1234826960;m=1212982276;s=2052039902; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 20:28:33 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30971;u=;t=1234826960;m=1628416726;s=2188007791; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Feb 15 20:34:46 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30972;u=;t=1234826960;m=723558398;s=527291191; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 20:45:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89550 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 04:45:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 04:45:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 04:45:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 04:45:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 04:45:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:45:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.246 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=n8FOYkhuGhnB2H_3WeatioLBF2ZRpQ0LEi37CMY2RBQ0d950oQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I've been doing a "House cleaning" (years ago from the last) and...=20 beleive or not I found two very old studio microphones: One Philips=20 1014 and one RCA 44-B. Of course, I tried to use it inmediately. I could get a very, very, very, nice sound from the Philips. But, I couldn't get any sound from the RCA. It has a very complicated connection box, with a lot of terminals,=20 which I guess means differents impedance values. Unfortunately, the values typed numbers are illegible (I guess both=20 microphones are from the 1950's, or not?). My great doubt is about a rare bridge, obviously made here (not from=20 the manufacter). So, my question are so simple: 1) DOES SOMEBODY KNOWS THIS RCA MODEL? 2) DOES SOMEBODY HAS SOME CLUE ABOUT THE RIGHT CONNECTIONS TO GET=20 THE BEST SIGNAL? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 20:46:15 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30974;u=;t=1234826960;m=1900295119;s=527291191; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 20:47:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2493 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 04:47:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 04:47:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 04:47:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 04:47:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 04:47:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:47:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.246 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=fyol-6F97QNzgQ5hSJZaYIdtxKAAtbD6io-NgQDl-lowxuXamg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I've been doing a "House cleaning" (years ago from the last) and... believe it or not, I found two very old studio microphones: One=20 Philips 1014 and one RCA 44-B. Of course, I tried to use it inmediately. I could get a very, very, very, nice sound from the Philips. But, I couldn't get any sound from the RCA. It has a very complicated connection box, with a lot of terminals, which I guess means differents impedance values. Unfortunately, the values typed numbers are illegible (I guess both microphones are from the 1950's, or not?). My great doubt is about a rare bridge, obviously made here (not from the manufacter). So, my question are so simple: 1) DOES SOMEBODY KNOWS THIS RCA MODEL? 2) DOES SOMEBODY HAS SOME CLUE ABOUT THE RIGHT CONNECTIONS TO GET THE BEST SIGNAL? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 15 20:55:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29179 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 04:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 04:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com) (68.142.237.92) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 04:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.89] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 04:54:59 -0000 X-Received: from [66.196.97.154] by t5.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 04:54:59 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp207.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 04:54:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 687759.26821.bm@omp207.mail.re3.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 83582 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 04:48:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.137 with plain) by smtp109.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 04:48:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RX8L6CQVM1mTmaxQYZyHx47Hk215LacmWxnvGYPUfPQgFuUmhGt8WfvOhDTger0A3DcxzFuMSRcVIgJOrEDBIRr2UUdJxHbPbP0oKLAreVWdLUnijff1cj6Cd924TyMJl31jl9zZIh6_N0OFJO7BdRoJcvM5UZKRDTa3iaNAF54_PuywoV9UJjeXU1c- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0A5A1C8C-1D73-464F-B460-06B6FA994C90@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:48:16 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.237.92 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=zc9FU9K06bsocvv0BJdO3DxCy9_TnSGofEiIt56Fs06B2gV0Sg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Feb 15, 2009, at 10:45 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > But, I couldn't get any sound from the RCA. RCA 44 mics are nice. I prefer Telefunken U-47s. I like the way they sound. Don't know much about the Philips. Kevin From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Feb 15 21:45:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47280 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 05:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 05:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 05:45:57 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so1005594ywj.47 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:45:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.196.20 with SMTP id t20mr1523335anf.120.1234763156610; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:45:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.34.6.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.34.6.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c28sm8963533anc.45.2009.02.15.21.45.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:45:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: jotape1960 Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:45:30 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=amsxXjhyCYGH61zgKdy9n0wtjl1UyKQTxw4i450A4z2fI9SHhVRBCrz6_LUXUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 15, 2009, at 11:45 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > But, I couldn't get any sound from the RCA. > > It has a very complicated connection box, with a lot of terminals, > which I guess means differents impedance values. > No, the jumpers are for Sound Quality. Jump for Speech, open for Music...or perhaos the other way around. Getting Old LOL Anyway, I am sending you the wiring diagram. ---------- 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Feb 15 21:46:00 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30978;u=;t=1234763373;m=2110797897;s=632723617; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Feb 15 21:47:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87062 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 05:47:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 05:47:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f158.google.com) (209.85.217.158) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 05:47:51 -0000 X-Received: by gxk2 with SMTP id 2so2823331gxk.8 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:47:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.144.11 with SMTP id r11mr5761838and.24.1234763270511; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:47:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.34.6.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.34.6.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d29sm8995236and.54.2009.02.15.21.47.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:47:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1AC80505-C605-42D4-8E3D-640EFECFA97A@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0A5A1C8C-1D73-464F-B460-06B6FA994C90@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:47:44 -0500 References: <0A5A1C8C-1D73-464F-B460-06B6FA994C90@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=9AewoyP93ZkM02BFSfe-aOuVjWfrhMD0sk6aVfweeeTz-bN-iL_CiSFiY_0Qtg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 15, 2009, at 11:48 PM, kevin redding wrote: > RCA 44 mics are nice. Dang it! Meant to post the link to the heil Classic http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/products/classic/index.htm It is a reproduction of my favorite RCA 74B 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Feb 15 22:09:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22214 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 06:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 06:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 06:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 06:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 06:09:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:09:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <025a01c98fb7$7e773ae0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.54.195 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Top 40 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=go-9feiDF0UqmFwn8Mj7FR8SWvgtK9tgt8v7PmXiPXECdNLqTG2fDjk81H4eQzEL1V1apvNI X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I think your question has been answered numerous times in the=20 past. Music abandoned AM for FM before the FCC got its act together=20 on AM stereo. Not that some sort of music can't be brought back to=20 AM. I remember one oldies station we used to have here that would=20 play stuff not heard on the FM oldies station and it was on its way=20 to becoming a fairly successful station. Unfortunately the owner=20 decided to sell as the format made the station worth more and the new=20 owners didn't keep the format. Station was and still is mono. >=20 > To get music back on AM may be harder than ever if the music=20 industry gets its way on increased royalty fees. To do so will=20 require a few things a lot of owners aren't necessarily prepared to=20 handle- the worst one being in many cases it will take a lot of money=20 to operate the station as it will take time to develop both the=20 format and the audience before the station will become profitable.=20=20 It will have to be unique in that it finds an unserved audience plus=20 it will also have to be very locally focused. Then if the station is=20 stereo, they'll have to get the word out on what radios can pick it=20 up in stereo and where their listeners can find them. A mass appeal=20 format on AM will lose to one on FM every time unless there is a=20 large increase in the numbers of AM stereo radios. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jimsmith95650@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Why not bring it back to=20 > the dieing band AM.=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Scott The last part was my point also. The mass appeal part is all=20 ready happening . People are getting drove a way by teo nail fungus=20 worts and colin cleaner and politics it all sucks and no one wants to=20 hear that crap any more. Jim Smith In a dieing AM area From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 01:40:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1835 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 09:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 09:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 09:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 09:40:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 09:40:08 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:40:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.94.87 From: "Sotiris" Subject: OT: AM DRM testings vs AM CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=ErzcAqWgOD_fNRVQY6Xe1n6OrV9n_q1S8-xMRk5U-Bs X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Since the list has finally followed a US politics warzone road... it=20 might be good to start marking any post related to AM stereo as OT=20 (Off Topic)... to make it visible between all T'O-bam or Not-O-bam=20 messages! Gee! And I thought we here at Greece were the only ones=20 that we even got in a civil war (1945-1948) for right/left wings=20 matters! Well...=20 I have an OT post.=20 I have started some tests with DRM Medium wave transmissions.=20 I've modified an ASMAX unit to accept instead of the L & R audio, the=20 encoded stream from SPARK software. The results at our lab test were=20 excellent. We have got aprox +16dbm of DRM power (QAM), signal was=20 kept inside the DRM mask specs, and we have made a lab testing=20 receiver, based on a HP SG & a mixer to get a 12KHz IF stream that=20 fed a decoder PC running SoDiRa software.=20 The results were better than expected. BUT!!!=20 I have to say that the results wasn't even close to an AM CQUAM=20 Stereo quality!=20 Yes DRM is far better than common AM mono quality, but compared to a=20 good AM CQUAM is like hearing music that comes from the toilet (WC)=20 room!=20 We are going to do more testing at it, since we used a common AAC and=20 someone suggested us to go for a ACC+ and check it again. Tomorrow I=20 will do the test using the Dream decoding software, as SoDiRa is=20 excelent for AM CQUAM decoding but I think is not supporting DRM as=20 good as it should...=20 Anyone on this list that has run DRM tests? Need oppinions about=20 it...=20=20 Regards=20 Sotiris From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 16 03:14:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19448 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 11:14:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 11:14:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 11:14:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 11:14:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 11:14:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:14:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.127.136 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: OT: AM DRM testings vs AM CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=D7WiZDIpbOTv9yDou0gTJXHpf3Bi8f4nxpXfwCW34CEoUHcEWYZpybBI-1Rr7uWhxqffX8nL X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi=20 > Since the list has finally followed a US politics warzone road...=20 it=20 > might be good to start marking any post related to AM stereo as OT=20 > (Off Topic)... to make it visible between all T'O-bam or Not-O-bam=20 > messages! Gee! And I thought we here at Greece were the only ones=20 > that we even got in a civil war (1945-1948) for right/left wings=20 > matters! Well...=20 > I have an OT post.=20 > I have started some tests with DRM Medium wave transmissions.=20 > I've modified an ASMAX unit to accept instead of the L & R audio,=20 the=20 > encoded stream from SPARK software. The results at our lab test=20 were=20 > excellent. We have got aprox +16dbm of DRM power (QAM), signal was=20 > kept inside the DRM mask specs, and we have made a lab testing=20 > receiver, based on a HP SG & a mixer to get a 12KHz IF stream that=20 > fed a decoder PC running SoDiRa software.=20 >=20 > The results were better than expected. BUT!!!=20 >=20 > I have to say that the results wasn't even close to an AM CQUAM=20 > Stereo quality!=20 > Yes DRM is far better than common AM mono quality, but compared to=20 a=20 > good AM CQUAM is like hearing music that comes from the toilet (WC)=20 > room!=20 > We are going to do more testing at it, since we used a common AAC=20 and=20 > someone suggested us to go for a ACC+ and check it again. Tomorrow=20 I=20 > will do the test using the Dream decoding software, as SoDiRa is=20 > excelent for AM CQUAM decoding but I think is not supporting DRM as=20 > good as it should...=20 >=20 > Anyone on this list that has run DRM tests? Need oppinions about=20 > it...=20=20 >=20 > Regards=20 > Sotiris > Hi Thank you for a breath of fresh air.Can you run DRM and C-QuAM at=20 the same time?All I know here in the states thay are broadcasting=20 noise and I herd it and it sounded like crap to me. Remember I am a=20 radio fan and listener and I am not a engineer. Dose DRM make as much=20 noise as ICRAP. Not only most of AM here is in mono thay also want to=20 play info comershals and politcs. No one wants to play music any=20 more. No one asked us what we the listeners want. I guess thay think=20 we want to hear about toe nail fungus and worts and colin cleaner and=20 politics. GEE!!! Thats what we realy want to hear in sted of=20 music.Any way THANK YOU Sotiris. Jim Smith In a dieing AM band area. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 04:38:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84320 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 12:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 12:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 12:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 12:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 12:38:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:38:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.94.87 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: OT: AM DRM testings vs AM CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=S53nwAS_cOmXourYdhlwL7Bj-jSJOyH3jd-RRijSZnI X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@..."=20 wrote: > Hi Thank you for a breath of fresh air.Can you run DRM and C-QuAM at=20 > the same time?All I know here in the states thay are broadcasting=20 > noise and I herd it and it sounded like crap to me. Remember I am a=20 > radio fan and listener and I am not a engineer. Dose DRM make as much=20 > noise as ICRAP. Not only most of AM here is in mono thay also want to=20 > play info comershals and politcs. No one wants to play music any=20 > more. No one asked us what we the listeners want. I guess thay think=20 > we want to hear about toe nail fungus and worts and colin cleaner and=20 > politics. GEE!!! Thats what we realy want to hear in sted of=20 > music.Any way THANK YOU Sotiris. Jim Smith In a dieing AM band area. > Hi Jim=20 Well haven't test that yet, but after finishing all my DRM tests I=20 might do it!=20 However at test phase I was in need of the carrier to be present, to=20 make a TX11A lock on it, and take the IF of it to feed a PC.=20 The TX11A was set an Narrow bandwidth and the audio coming from it=20 haven't any easily listenable noises from the DRM component that was=20 active at +12KHz from carrier center! Note that the DRM decoding was=20 still excellent at an SNR >29db with the carrier present.=20 We didi also a test, inserting a carrier at +20dbr to DRM at exactly=20 the center of the DRM mask, and the SNR just lowered at 28.3db.=20 Next time I will try to modulate the carrier with at least mono=20 component, to see if it will kill DRM SNR or be killed (the analog=20 mono0 by the DRM bitstream. Probably the later should occur, but what=20 the hell, I'll try it!!! :)=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris =20 From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Feb 16 04:59:00 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30984;u=;t=1234826977;m=472067634;s=289092914; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 16 05:20:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56195 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 13:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 13:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 13:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 13:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 13:20:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:20:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.127.136 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: OT: AM DRM testings vs AM CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=eSqbJZsY9COj3kFp7pNd796dOSgnJmBt5UWUz0rn4FgRzbXj2BBNz_oG90hj8DoGb0nCukx0 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@"=20 > wrote: > > Hi Thank you for a breath of fresh air.Can you run DRM and C-QuAM=20 at=20 > > the same time?All I know here in the states thay are broadcasting=20 > > noise and I herd it and it sounded like crap to me. Remember I am=20 a=20 > > radio fan and listener and I am not a engineer. Dose DRM make as=20 much=20 > > noise as ICRAP. Not only most of AM here is in mono thay also=20 want to=20 > > play info comershals and politcs. No one wants to play music any=20 > > more. No one asked us what we the listeners want. I guess thay=20 think=20 > > we want to hear about toe nail fungus and worts and colin cleaner=20 and=20 > > politics. GEE!!! Thats what we realy want to hear in sted of=20 > > music.Any way THANK YOU Sotiris. Jim Smith In a dieing AM band=20 area. > > >=20 > Hi Jim=20 > Well haven't test that yet, but after finishing all my DRM tests I=20 > might do it!=20 > However at test phase I was in need of the carrier to be present,=20 to=20 > make a TX11A lock on it, and take the IF of it to feed a PC.=20 > The TX11A was set an Narrow bandwidth and the audio coming from it=20 > haven't any easily listenable noises from the DRM component that=20 was=20 > active at +12KHz from carrier center! Note that the DRM decoding=20 was=20 > still excellent at an SNR >29db with the carrier present.=20 > We didi also a test, inserting a carrier at +20dbr to DRM at=20 exactly=20 > the center of the DRM mask, and the SNR just lowered at 28.3db.=20 > Next time I will try to modulate the carrier with at least mono=20 > component, to see if it will kill DRM SNR or be killed (the analog=20 > mono0 by the DRM bitstream. Probably the later should occur, but=20 what=20 > the hell, I'll try it!!! :)=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris > Hi I did not get every thing you wrought not being a engineer but I=20 think you said yes DRM dose make noise also. The noise from IBOCRAP=20 is awful. I had also read here that C-QuAM will not work with=20 IBOCRAP. I did get to here HD RADIO and i was not imprest. I still=20 like C-QUAM very much and i miss it greatly!!! I have a Afredo Lite=20 and it sounds perty good !!!! Thanks again Jim Smith In a dieing MW=20 area.=20 From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 05:39:59 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30986;u=;t=1234826977;m=1959192913;s=1367250429; From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 06:18:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10687 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 14:18:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 14:18:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 14:18:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39144 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2009 14:18:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EfUbA.sVM1m9J4DyQiyM7O6I00s9fynwv_tNraw5tb5SM5zYS3EhbwzroorourLhdF23pJFFdagpYHVCqCj.puQOd49F02Hi_ohfW8vy1AWIIioMAQtVJAX77nw4QlL0yQOPw.pQh5JzbAFjwCbWjOCizY.AO.UFkq21JPF0Rjywq7krPOTpCt0MgCz7bou1X0L6uS0L9Ceywp_Rd3Ge5jLqIx60mSapf2SqUG9v X-Received: from [209.213.19.40] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:18:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:18:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <984308.39070.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IDing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=tIR59GrSweQbLyHghnO19rMXmpk_AwBJnB5CA4EhKRk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW But that's the old way to do things. Most networks have closures or even a series of tones just to send an ID. If something is misconfigured or not configured you get dead air. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 2/15/09, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} IDing > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 11:11 PM > You know Kevin, I can see this happening. > > I did write them a letter though asking them to check it > out. If I > were the engineer, I would be screaming at someone to keep > his/her > hands off the gear. > > Kevin > > On Feb 15, 2009, at 10:07 PM, KJ4HYD wrote: > > > Now some LID in trafficing will come along and screw > up that command > > by putting a one time file in xx:59:30, or will screw > up the file name > > so "TOHID" becomes "TOH ID" and > the computer can't find the File > > "TOHID" so it skips the local insert at > xx:59:30 so it skips the > > break. If nobody is paying attention, this can go on > forever. > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 06:21:09 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30988;u=;t=1234826977;m=1976039663;s=1447429129; From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 06:27:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94874 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 14:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 14:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 14:27:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13764 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2009 14:27:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: neAi6KQVM1mM1ADQLeCGM2Eeed.IphLkeBLRIVGRPyPzgB9TJ9zAg_D8HDS1x1.XLlUC2baRl.X9IsWmfKsk1.2mWIMhwiQYvq79OEpwxItozmiT5_Gu.yHg9OEOk7Qa95bxLAeDKkO1DRGRhFndB0C4MtXS7zMsdWWvsc2iYxu11KAXvQ65n.xARLZ.X5stj69qGcmVWd_tFVxp4LdeTEdr_jd0yQFtilYuRNi4 X-Received: from [209.213.19.40] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:27:10 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:27:10 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <446567.13041.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=TCvf1qtNt22lZci3NgmEyaisifwPd6W26JhqY1Cql04 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The 44 series is a ribbon microphone from the 40's, and can bring thousands= and thousands of dollars on EBAY or the used market. There is a company = that now makes the exact model new. Price new is around 4000 USD. If the r= ibbon is broken you won't get any sound. It should be protected from wind o= r moving air.=20 Powell=20 NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > So, my question are so simple: >=20 > 1) DOES SOMEBODY KNOWS THIS RCA MODEL? >=20 > 2) DOES SOMEBODY HAS SOME CLUE ABOUT THE RIGHT CONNECTIONS > TO GET=20 > THE BEST SIGNAL? >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 06:34:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50359 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 14:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 14:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 14:34:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28495 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2009 14:34:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: b2kctXsVM1mOmWHLqCB24Yfdbpt8aN18DRwve0Fs76TiAbMMqGaynmxNmo.jnK6YGtdd6uZYpljlbTz4epK_9fzQjZBdjbBiUZmPJz9L9Q8lBeReWHvOb_s8SpPBwi8iktWib6kyTTSoDzyAC0V5c5M8W5amBxWSLBVYd94vDxff.ukqqjH1fGyny_ymvi.1G6F5XGfI16oSuP8zO1.bNSrw X-Received: from [209.213.19.40] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:34:42 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:34:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <746998.27728.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Adding FCC rules for stations. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=wAMmcYwHPsxwdVL45gwzIxp7lQfuz-fJBLjmjdiWw7A X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 2/15/09, kevin redding wrote: > If I ran the FCC, station owners would be hating my guts. > > Right off the bat, the very first second on the job, I > would kill > 100% of all satellator FM translators. If there is no FM > station in > the area with the programming, you can't have a > translator. I agree with that one. > I would make stations ID at the top of the hour. I agree with that one, and no jingles or monikers with fake call letters like a lot of CC stations in florida use the WFLA moniker and there is only one WFLA... > Stations would be required to have one person in the > facility 24/7. There would be a lot of stations that sign off at night, leaving lots of areas with no service. A lot of single owner stations cannot afford this. > Every station would have to have an engineer or at least a > chief > operator with his name and phone number. No engineer would > be > servicing more than 4 stations whether they be AM FM or TV > in any > combination. EVERY station DOES have to have a chief operator listed. > If a station didn't have their public file, they should > be shut down > until they get one and be in their facility which has one > person in > it 24/7 and they would be required to make an announcement > once a day > as to where the public file can be found. Every station is supposed to have a public file. The FCC will fine you big time if they show up and it's not there. There is no need to make that announcement. > I would hire a bunch of inspectors because they don't > have crapola right now. I would also bring back the manned monitoring stations. I would bring back rules manadating audio proofs from start to finish of audio chain and strict guidelines for transmitted audio, which there really isn't anymore. The FCC would be allowed to keep their fines and fees unlike the present. Powell From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 06:37:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10108 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 14:37:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 14:37:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 14:37:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20058 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2009 14:37:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6_GO9sMVM1lq_mfeZXjo1jIYODnpuOHi4c45lTeoJvFxhAt8DL5D2Mi1nH4zhN8EJsvXVWsKINrgTzuBbW7hyIfzE_5tFxWjiXNRYPteq0wiTbksgrDZKxl9H8VPgg2aP_QZ34YSb4Jkg9m7coWTrl6UxQgR8nu6e2iK.455U0dQNKNVksv7hi4AuiNXZpW4TOmFIqChHJCxbFe5SnGCDPmP X-Received: from [209.213.19.40] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:37:30 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:37:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <15135FDC-3515-4045-A552-C5029220F6CB@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <695.20027.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=SDudvBxklsCLlkxpbocuN3ezdOZOAWIE7K4-MLFmzXA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Are you SURE? The 74B is a ribbon or velocity microphone, Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 2/16/09, KJ4HYD wrote: > > On Feb 15, 2009, at 11:48 PM, kevin redding wrote: > > RCA 74B mics are nice. > > > The Heil Classic is an exact reproduction of the RCA! From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 06:39:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13449 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 14:39:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 14:39:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 14:39:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36575 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2009 14:39:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gQijdeQVM1mE.Q9KcsXpvqCv0zsJKkLD5E_5oiCvzdtzlxWdwgmiVUSUze.sIt7NM0YOs6WBzgTH_ZqV56vprAJY8AeBWATNJ4BAGBR1SgvhcUTXAcf5TmjyO__m.4dSnA1osZhYA9aOJTl9P2VJP9kyMKiSlAwj4BWoguYYkqBh9R0eZERm_8XwB78MPHwYrZAenK61RRgNoqIJYh7qpqBp X-Received: from [209.213.19.40] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:39:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:39:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1AC80505-C605-42D4-8E3D-640EFECFA97A@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <263219.36559.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=5D4rpmztPouDwfpFy2gzN8MuNH3JuRiTsRv5j2NcE7I X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Not really, as it's not a ribbon microphone. It just LOOKS like a 74B and that is where the similarity ends. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 2/16/09, KJ4HYD wrote: > > > RCA 44 mics are nice. > > Dang it! Meant to post the link to the heil Classic > > http://www.heilsound.com/amateur/products/classic/index.htm > > It is a reproduction of my favorite RCA 74B > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Feb 16 06:52:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65555 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 14:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 14:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f208.google.com) (209.85.217.208) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 14:52:58 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f208.google.com with SMTP id 4so3020816gxk.18 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:52:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.168.18 with SMTP id q18mr6244586ane.7.1234795977680; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:52:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.34.28.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.34.28.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.28]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c40sm6643859anc.28.2009.02.16.06.52.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:52:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5717429F-1F4E-41D2-9230-A96225505B32@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:52:50 -0500 References: <61298818-9042-4038-8F27-23A9C51FB28D@yahoo.com> <4A1033EE-A5BD-4D17-91D8-59B4EB465613@gmail.com> <66F19E24-91C0-488D-80E5-87428AC11765@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} IDing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=-59z-Gb4U8aHOpn8eY5S2KgZFJnTNmd06jXAZnVi3kFnyhIc0bIqhAh4tgjKgw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 15, 2009, at 11:46 PM, kevin redding wrote: > If I ran the FCC, station owners would be hating my guts. Mom N Pop Station owners would LOVE me for helping their stations play on a more level playing field. On the other hand, the Corporate Monsters and abusers that buy stations to suck them dry wouldn't like me much! 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Feb 16 06:59:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52869 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 14:59:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 14:59:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.248) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 14:59:10 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1244915anc.25 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:59:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.128.20 with SMTP id a20mr596179and.0.1234796350224; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:59:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.34.28.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.34.28.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.28]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c9sm7278448ana.53.2009.02.16.06.59.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:59:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <263219.36559.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:58:49 -0500 References: <263219.36559.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.248 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=zFyfx9LWDUlXe6yXc_IcrPLEiQrJSxt_1E4hhzzKjUXt1Ce-II1Vwv_wFfumvA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 16, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Not really, as it's not a ribbon microphone. It just LOOKS like a > 74B and that is where the similarity ends. The one in Production sounds NICE anyway. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Feb 16 07:06:13 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30995;u=;t=1234826985;m=661370770;s=1367250429; From w6yn@juno.com Mon Feb 16 07:40:20 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30996;u=;t=1234826985;m=1214193546;s=4265939411; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 09:14:04 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=30997;u=;t=1234826990;m=1685536918;s=1367250429; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 09:16:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24918 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 17:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 17:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 17:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 17:16:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 17:16:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:16:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.32 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=XbF4i5D16w2dBrjreQmnDaG4hlGLRYRDhuqaTnPAN7E4-ItUyg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I created a new Photo Album to add any pictures about those old=20 vintage things we have, in use or not. I uploaded pics of my vintage microphones. What about the RCA 44-B output pin diagram? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > >=20 > On Feb 16, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: >=20 > > Not really, as it's not a ribbon microphone. It just LOOKS like=20 a=20=20 > > 74B and that is where the similarity ends. >=20 > The one in Production sounds NICE anyway. >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 09:28:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30577 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 17:28:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 17:28:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 17:28:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 17:28:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 17:28:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:28:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.32 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: OT: AM DRM testings vs AM CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=phD66BX__RKpC48Wd5efDgZz7-UZTefmGnDOqyrKgx_xDT996g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi=20 > Since the list has finally followed a US politics warzone road...=20 it=20 > might be good to start marking any post related to AM stereo as OT=20 > (Off Topic)... to make it visible between all T'O-bam or Not-O-bam=20 > messages! Gee! And I thought we here at Greece were the only ones=20 > that we even got in a civil war (1945-1948) for right/left wings=20 > matters! Well...=20 > I have an OT post.=20 > I have started some tests with DRM Medium wave transmissions.=20 > I've modified an ASMAX unit to accept instead of the L & R audio,=20 the=20 > encoded stream from SPARK software. The results at our lab test=20 were=20 > excellent. We have got aprox +16dbm of DRM power (QAM), signal was=20 > kept inside the DRM mask specs, and we have made a lab testing=20 > receiver, based on a HP SG & a mixer to get a 12KHz IF stream that=20 > fed a decoder PC running SoDiRa software.=20 >=20 > The results were better than expected. BUT!!!=20 >=20 > I have to say that the results wasn't even close to an AM CQUAM=20 > Stereo quality!=20 > Yes DRM is far better than common AM mono quality, but compared to=20 a=20 > good AM CQUAM is like hearing music that comes from the toilet=20 (WC)=20 > room!=20 > We are going to do more testing at it, since we used a common AAC=20 and=20 > someone suggested us to go for a ACC+ and check it again. Tomorrow=20 I=20 > will do the test using the Dream decoding software, as SoDiRa is=20 > excelent for AM CQUAM decoding but I think is not supporting DRM=20 as=20 > good as it should...=20 >=20 > Anyone on this list that has run DRM tests? Need oppinions about=20 > it...=20=20 >=20 > Regards=20 > Sotiris > THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS!!!!!!! I wonder if the bad sound is due to the digital compress stream. CD=20 rate is around 1440 kbps. The best MP3 needs more 192 kbps, better=20 more than this value. Which is the DRM rate? I wonder if you could test a crazy idea I have since years: DC=20 modulation. I mean to put the digital stream directly on the carrier=20 as a subsonic data (a DC voltage). Can it be done? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 11:33:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28823 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 19:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 19:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 19:33:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72507 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2009 19:33:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JYkasNMVM1k.PeEvJV1uL2VFcnUX7UCsGZ1Ne.gcyE4HkdoTswS4AeFjo4pAZGy8mQszSCraE6iwA8MyD9vp20HKgzZeVs60x.SWE.2NMeOZUj6FB.wS9hYlAYH4jffG9ae2Osm_FesawBe2jhEBI7NPjAa52a4bisougfs7tGtRHw-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:33:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:33:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <566376.68718.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=-WtdHui7Tp6sNURG7rjg8WVlezXqu9TiPWq0JblPe1SfjXJKXdx48c0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Does the RCA mic actually have a 'tube' inside of it? From w6yn@juno.com Mon Feb 16 14:16:31 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31001;u=;t=1234827005;m=2070918979;s=1367250429; From w6yn@juno.com Mon Feb 16 15:09:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37662 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 23:09:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 23:09:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 23:09:27 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail20.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.160]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE3V6TDALUCJUJ for (sender ); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:09:23 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD02kzbG19cC82ChCBON+wvU= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail20.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N9KCNVJ9; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:09:16 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.43] by webmail20.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:08:52 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:08:52 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090216.150852.16475.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:3055297276 X-MAIL-INFO:43600190c959a0b12da9c02df175a1a92d8db12474c994b4 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.160|webmail20.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: The amount of radio listening has never decreased X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=lbnsTEwRwz7KLfIinHXkLZYD9lfCNykrzhU06IxUvw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The Death of Radio? Stop it. By Eric Thomas I am really disgusted by the radio industry's latest bout of self loath= ing. I will never understand why there are so many in our industry that thi= nk we are on the brink of collapse, regardless of the fact that the amount = of radio listening has never decreased. I have been in radio for 12 years n= ow, and every single one of those years I have heard the latest expert read= ing radio's last rites. But since the latest economic downturn, it seems th= at those in the actual industry have started to believe them! Layoffs have = gone into the double digits, slashing long lists of sales and programming. = Every trade publication and consultant firm has created special web pages, = erecting walls to the fallen. Its not just those who are under performing. = Its people who have large ratings and bring in buckets of revenue. Radio co= mpanies just slash without any consideration for the quality of the product= , insane with panic because the industry will never be the same. Stop it! Are you people serious? The most puzzling thing about the radi= o industry in general is its own insecurities. The people who are in radio = seem convinced that we are the "other" media. We aren't as solvent as telev= ision or print, that we are on the brink of collapse at any time. Have any = of these people actually done some research? Study after study shows that A= mericans consume more radio than ever before. Of course the faces on televi= sion and print belittle the radio industry, they have motive to! They are c= ompeting for the same advertising dollars that we are! Yet when President O= bama identified his voice of opposition, was it a blogger, columnist, or pu= ndit? Nope, Rush Limbaugh because he is the biggest name in conservative me= dia. He arguably created conservative media, but we set that aside. Has thi= s industry been going out of its way to create the next Rush who created a = format that didn't exist before he started? Of course not. Part of radio se= lf loathing is as soon as a star is born, we think there can never be anoth= er. So we slash, eliminating the up and comers to make sure there will be n= o more profitable stars. Radio is a media unlike the others. Its the only one that is completely= one dimensional, and the easiest to consume. Radio doesn't ask you to stop= what you are doing, commanding your full attention and patience. Radio can= be with you when you drive around, do housework, play video games or exerc= ise and its the only media that can do all of that. Radio is designed to be= enjoyed however you like, and however much commitment you give it is how m= uch enjoyment you get out of it. If you leave a station on in the backgroun= d, you will have noise to distract you. If you wear headphones, you will he= ar a produced quarter hour of carefully selected music that a professional = stressed hours over. If they did it right, the mix will give you a better e= xperience than any random internet stream will give you. If you are listeni= ng to a talk show, you can also leave it on for noise, but you can also get= up to twenty minutes of free wheeling discussion that will either make you= laugh, think or make you angry. No other media at all gives you twenty com= mercial free minutes of entertainment, and there are thousands of radio sta= tions that are doing it right now 24 hours a day with absolutely no cost to= the listener. Yes, ad revenue is down. Of course it is, we are in a recession. But we= still have a huge audience that we can give to our advertisers. Now is the= time to cultivate relationships with advertisers and we can't do that when= we are radically changing the product that we are selling. Remember, its n= ot the 60 second spots we are selling, its the airtime. Radically changing = the product does not help at all in getting revenue up. But yet we slash. We try to figure out how to cut corners, assuming tha= t the industry will never be the same. Network TV numbers are way down, so = they are cutting costs. Newspapers are cutting like crazy, because less peo= ple read newspapers. The number of radio listeners actually went up in 2008= , but.. Why are we looking to other media whose numbers are declining for leade= rship? Why don't we point out that you must pay for digital TV boxes, you m= ust subscribe to cable, you need a subscription or a website account to vie= w periodicals. Why can't we point out that we are the industry that thrived= during the real great depression, and we have the audience that has never = gone away. Why don't we point out that the rise of the Internet actually ad= ds to radio, because it the one media that you can enjoy at the same time a= s surfing the web? We don't point that out, we just slash. We assume that i= f television and newspapers are doing it, we should too. These are the same= outlets that excoriate our business, calling us "shock talk" and look down= their noses at us. They shame us, call us names, put labels on us, have le= ss of an audience than we do, compete for the same advertising dollars that= we do, and yet we follow their lead. Don't you see that now is the time to act? Our industry is not hurting,= it is thriving. The Internet has given us the one thing we never had: a vi= sual element. We can take this one dimensional media and our listeners can = enhance their experience if they choose to. Plus, we can save huge amounts = of money on promotions cost by using free Web 2.0 services like Facebook, T= witter and Plurk. We can reach listeners now and remind them to listen in w= ays we never had before, and we think this industry is in trouble? But still we slash. We devalue how important we are to the audience. We= forget that our industry is still a dominant media, and people on TV have = every reason to say we are less than that. Yet still we slash, as if the ra= dio side of the economic downturn will never end, regardless of the fact th= at the audience still wants and needs us. The death of radio? As with the m= ost tragic cases of self loathing, we're committing suicide. thetumbrel@gmail.com From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 15:41:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34718 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 23:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2009 23:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 23:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 23:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2009 23:41:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:41:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Announce: yes X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.239.237.126 From: "Kevin T." Subject: NOTICE TO ALL AM STEREO FORUM MEMBERS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=h4QfBJqUJhPDzUyGPwOel5Hyrv-R3ufBiFj0IlS8XnPIQxT71Q X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics As founder and moderator of the AM Stereo Forum, I politely remind all Forum members that political discussions that are not DIRECTLY relevant to AM Stereo are off-topic and are not allowed on this Forum. I just spent quite a while removing a large number of these off-topic political discussions from the Forum archive on Yahoo Groups. These messages were removed without any bias. I just removed them all, to avoid cluttering up the Forum's message archive. Although I agree with some members' political viewpoints and disagree with others, that is irrelevant, because this kind of political discussion does not belong on this group, and I will not allow it to derail this Forum from its intended purpose. Even though I could put this Forum into full moderation mode where I have to approve every message before it gets posted, I will not take that drastic step, because I believe in free speech. However, I will be closely monitoring this Forum in the coming days and weeks, and any off-topic politically oriented messages will be removed from the archive and their authors will be placed on individually moderated status. So, with this behind us, please continue to enjoy discussing AM Stereo and all relevant topics in this Forum. We've been around a long, long time, and as founder of this Forum, I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. I continue to support AM Stereo and AM radio in general, and I invite you to continue to join me here. Regards, Kevin M. Tekel amstereoexp@yahoo.com Founder and Moderator of The AM Stereo Forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMStereoForum From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 15:53:02 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31004;u=;t=1234896425;m=1688071511;s=4265939411; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 16:00:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97739 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 00:00:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 00:00:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 00:00:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11549 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2009 00:00:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Kn7q0xoVM1k.otEsJRD41MaheWeQ6_4_FLU_3xOx68eJKXNWtfvyXYJUBH5IGaACdjAyglWmuThtxew_hG4jbZBz271QHBG5Eh4BsTbFHSQRDtTq6G1Bq5sgB2BvBNcxE_nHsBvUN569ZLUbqZpT27aBg05gTpQx9aXSH1P7Xvkf4MO8DS2K.IeWgTn31kauRogf0TDMX3quQfdum1D.gkxOI6FPaamFhCllqgXz4XHujPM- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:00:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:00:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <194110.78614.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} IDing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=HYnBuZhgJ-b1HlRwq2Aa_sOquqzHLr9X4zPF9oXJmNZWHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 God forbid we should go BACKWARDS, but I think replacing the computer with = a cart or minidisc player, AND a human to operate it, would do THREE good t= hings: (1) The ID WOULD get played, regardless of what anybody in traffic does. (2) One less person would be un-employed. (3) Old idiots like me who value LIVE HUMAN-produced radio would listen, = =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 and likely patronize the sponsors who buy time on a station that = = =20 would dare practice such a now-novel concept! G --- On Sun, 2/15/09, KJ4HYD wrote: > From: KJ4HYD > Subject: Re: {AMSF} IDing > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 11:07 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > On Feb 15, 2009, at 11:11 AM, kevin redding wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > What I want to know is why so many stations DO NOT ID > ever. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I can answer that one! The station computer has a Clock it > WILL follow=20=20 >=20 > no matter what. When you program in the clock, you can set > it to=20=20 >=20 > ALWAYS play a file at a certain time 24/7, Only on certain > days, or=20=20 >=20 > one time only...just like setting your VCR at home. So you > tell the=20=20 >=20 > computer to play File named TOHID at xx:59:30 every Hour of > Every day=20=20 >=20 > 24/7 and it will. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Now some LID in trafficing will come along and screw up > that command=20=20 >=20 > by putting a one time file in xx:59:30, or will screw up > the file name=20=20 >=20 > so "TOHID" becomes "TOH ID" and the > computer can't find the File=20=20 >=20 > "TOHID" so it skips the local insert at xx:59:30 > so it skips the=20=20 >=20 > break. If nobody is paying attention, this can go on > forever. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 73, >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC >=20 > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 16:04:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96942 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 00:04:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 00:04:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 00:04:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55816 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2009 00:04:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: D929jy4VM1nHrjt4a1r7btaK1jEFJw7.5p.LGgrM2OcAC3zFUPyuukLwzml0CcY8maLUtkgJqwLA_bhEQ8RhTxTYZAl5S223nVRBzSrg_cl0R9b5hVkpOpCJhkrX.rGzttJ6hrl1aIOlUc43JYSbzWcnoxT9JrSOKhTUFCRr2U4RzR9pttcT6dlYPvB8UeKEWK.xxE7R546.z.VKI9oNvcvrj21FrNHxZaHr8KOVTbrk2Yg- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:04:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:04:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <167363.55470.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} IDing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=H1uvoNd-eJ8uV4nGYHLBJ-hFJ96lUx5cM2IHrSiL4h-11w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well, you've got MY vote as next chief of the FCC! G --- On Sun, 2/15/09, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} IDing > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 11:46 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > > Each radio station should be required > to keep a Full-Time engineer on >=20 > > the clock 40 Hours a week. Clusters should be required > to keep one >=20 > > Full Time engineer for every 2 stations, but > Directional and AMs over >=20 > > 10KW need to have their own Engineer for just that > station. >=20 >=20 >=20 > If I ran the FCC, station owners would be hating my guts. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Right off the bat, the very first second on the job, I > would kill=20=20 >=20 > 100% of all satellator FM translators. If there is no FM > station in=20=20 >=20 > the area with the programming, you can't have a > translator. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I would make stations ID at the top of the hour. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Stations would be required to have one person in the > facility 24/7. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Every station would have to have an engineer or at least a > chief=20=20 >=20 > operator with his name and phone number. No engineer would > be=20=20 >=20 > servicing more than 4 stations whether they be AM FM or TV > in any=20=20 >=20 > combination. >=20 >=20 >=20 > If a station didn't have their public file, they should > be shut down=20=20 >=20 > until they get one and be in their facility which has one > person in=20=20 >=20 > it 24/7 and they would be required to make an announcement > once a day=20=20 >=20 > as to where the public file can be found. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I would hire a bunch of inspectors because they don't > have crapola=20=20 >=20 > right now. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I would mandate an end to HD radio and bring back AM > Stereo. >=20 >=20 >=20 > This would only be the beginning. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 16:06:17 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31007;u=;t=1234896425;m=927240733;s=2052039902; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 16:07:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84325 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 00:07:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 00:07:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 00:07:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68625 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2009 00:07:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cbbjjt0VM1lm0OVLmaUoudIz85yl1gDdDZCYGGVm.HcEXWWXsXyXayA31e7PO58j1ua4oQrhQOvmzwo09PeFpUYqJiac4VlRHIcsudf8i6VkIswRCyOWq9.VIjn3CzCvOy45yNqlrkx6ShDEP8HSG2FmR.aaIdIfkNMiFEDPWq0oDujlUMTau66e5QyhiHsA9BDeuU1lIuOnUu_S3bGaV6Thd5UnrUTuc6fFmqzsJOVBGpY- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:07:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:07:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <364710.68060.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=0RPLG8ezGFZopzOFmM__19TNn6FofKYNt-CksrF3-U5BgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 You sure somebody didn't sneeze and shred the ribbon? G --- On Mon, 2/16/09, KJ4HYD wrote: > From: KJ4HYD > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vintage microphones > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Cc: "jotape1960" > Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 12:45 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > On Feb 15, 2009, at 11:45 PM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > But, I couldn't get any sound from the RCA. >=20 > > >=20 > > It has a very complicated connection box, with a lot > of terminals, >=20 > > which I guess means differents impedance values. >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > No, the jumpers are for Sound Quality. Jump for Speech, > open for=20=20 >=20 > Music...or perhaos the other way around. Getting Old LOL >=20 >=20 >=20 > Anyway, I am sending you the wiring diagram. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------- >=20 >=20 >=20 > 73, >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC >=20 > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 16:21:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 945 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 00:21:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 00:21:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 00:21:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85109 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2009 00:21:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Zkl88nQVM1kX7S4lZ0vSlFJdq.bq0R2iK_YnikVJh2iaAyynlYDhIK7ZKpbKGJe3RpVzWZEct0XTpVr4ytBgVCM5WkLtFgnyMSrvOsTc7wUcup3.w7ijPTx2h4OuMl2WygGaqDgZKbrrSbcNdqmo3.pab5t8WJvj04Xdg1rRX0E1.JNLniii_7yUhk2zY5IvWtB3GE.5bcZGzBLMp4sNFh3qm1q0RYo_9z4bwfLT3fNy8XU- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:21:39 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:21:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <81563.84772.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=fdykfFxjjv47VOCgAPpQtKTLlcuAIMKhUssPD23sCguQJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 No tube (or FET, either), just a transformer to step the VERY low impedance= of the ribbon up to something more board-friendly. (Ribbon mike I had, the primary on said transformer was actually two turns = of copper strap!) G --- On Mon, 2/16/09, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Vintage microphones > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 2:33 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Does the RCA mic actually have a > 'tube' inside of it? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 16:24:47 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31010;u=;t=1234896466;m=108633124;s=1367250429; From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Feb 16 16:34:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65416 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 00:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 00:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.231) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 00:34:50 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W41 ([64.4.19.141]) by bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:34:50 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:34:50 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Feb 2009 00:34:50.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B329820:01C99097] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} NOTICE TO ALL AM STEREO FORUM MEMBERS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=2_Czaz7fz7CIU-d-iBJ8f9qVQwNRk-YJ22HQNsT7XQ_JegxtUz4T X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you!MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.comFrom: kevtronics@yahoo.comDate: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:41:18 +0000Subject: {AMSF} NOTICE TO ALL AM STEREO FORUM MEMBERS As founder and moderator of the AM Stereo Forum, I politely remindall Forum members that political discussions that are not DIRECTLYrelevant to AM Stereo are off-topic and are not allowed on thisForum.I just spent quite a while removing a large number of these off-topicpolitical discussions from the Forum archive on Yahoo Groups. Thesemessages were removed without any bias. I just removed them all, toavoid cluttering up the Forum's message archive.Although I agree with some members' political viewpoints and disagreewith others, that is irrelevant, because this kind of politicaldiscussion does not belong on this group, and I will not allow it toderail this Forum from its intended purpose.Even though I could put this Forum into full moderation mode where Ihave to approve every message before it gets posted, I will not takethat drastic step, because I believe in free speech. However, I willbe closely monitoring this Forum in the coming days and weeks, andany off-topic politically oriented messages will be removed from thearchive and their authors will be placed on individually moderatedstatus.So, with this behind us, please continue to enjoy discussingAM Stereo and all relevant topics in this Forum. We've been arounda long, long time, and as founder of this Forum, I'm not goinganywhere anytime soon. I continue to support AM Stereo and AM radioin general, and I invite you to continue to join me here.Regards,Kevin M. Tekelamstereoexp@yahoo.comFounder and Moderator of The AM Stereo Forumhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMStereoForum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 16:45:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49406 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 00:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 00:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 00:45:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44543 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2009 00:45:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Kupa3OwVM1lSmtdZSGeqVb.MauOXP9.A1Rk1eDhKZGPhS3_XYicPRRRvJx3BYgCPwIAN5kxoLeyPg6c1VzXDCzNkbmKTjU4BG_CAYZ1CxeAx9FnykstfbiNl_7ghrQGR5qHREH5jxAK8stCr9oq_Mq01tfy64fdyOvsFfhnYrDP_sgz9XQwcfnrwH4xJF8H4jUKaCCGq_LtQaVYqzI5.CLYaoYWOmug89buVpbBH2gV_DWQ- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:45:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:45:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <571951.43904.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} The amount of radio listening has never decreased X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ahqFciy0c_er85Z8Sb9VGdsAqYErAh6GDVYs9wUceZf1hQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Very passionate, isn't he? But if radio is still so healthy, how is it get= ting around those damn earbuds that the I-Sheep seem to have surgically imp= lanted in their ears? Slashing? Yes, but I wonder if the reason is really self-loathing. Seems it is just the same as other industries that are "thriving" for the o= wners and stockholders ONLY. As long as those who have an interest in the s= tation are getting an income from it, to THEM it is thriving, no matter how= big a sob story they tell us to the contrary. Those whiners that claim they can't afford live talent or better audio or w= hatever improvements need to be made, COULD afford it if the station's inco= me went back into the business instead of into somebody's yacht or mansion! Yeah, poor owners, wonder which among them is worried about where their nex= t meal is coming from? Doesn't matter if the DJs, PDs, or engineers starve= ...they are just REGULAR people! I have cast my vote against most stations in the only way they DO understan= d...I won't waste the electricity or time to tune them in. Last time somebody called and asked me what station I listened to, I gave t= hem foreign call letters and hung up on them! G --- On Mon, 2/16/09, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: {AMSF} The amount of radio listening has never decreased > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 6:08 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > The Death of Radio? Stop it. >=20 >=20 >=20 > By Eric Thomas >=20 >=20 >=20 > I am really disgusted by the radio industry's latest > bout of self loathing. I will never understand why there are > so many in our industry that think we are on the brink of > collapse, regardless of the fact that the amount of radio > listening has never decreased. I have been in radio for 12 > years now, and every single one of those years I have heard > the latest expert reading radio's last rites. But since > the latest economic downturn, it seems that those in the > actual industry have started to believe them! Layoffs have > gone into the double digits, slashing long lists of sales > and programming. Every trade publication and consultant firm > has created special web pages, erecting walls to the fallen. > Its not just those who are under performing. Its people who > have large ratings and bring in buckets of revenue. Radio > companies just slash without any consideration for the > quality of the product, insane with panic because the > industry will never be the same. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Stop it! Are you people serious? The most puzzling thing > about the radio industry in general is its own insecurities. > The people who are in radio seem convinced that we are the > "other" media. We aren't as solvent as > television or print, that we are on the brink of collapse at > any time. Have any of these people actually done some > research? Study after study shows that Americans consume > more radio than ever before. Of course the faces on > television and print belittle the radio industry, they have > motive to! They are competing for the same advertising > dollars that we are! Yet when President Obama identified his > voice of opposition, was it a blogger, columnist, or pundit? > Nope, Rush Limbaugh because he is the biggest name in > conservative media. He arguably created conservative media, > but we set that aside. Has this industry been going out of > its way to create the next Rush who created a format that > didn't exist before he started? Of course not. Part of > radio self loathing is as soon as a star is born, we think > there can never be another. So we slash, eliminating the up > and comers to make sure there will be no more profitable > stars. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Radio is a media unlike the others. Its the only one that > is completely one dimensional, and the easiest to consume. > Radio doesn't ask you to stop what you are doing, > commanding your full attention and patience. Radio can be > with you when you drive around, do housework, play video > games or exercise and its the only media that can do all of > that. Radio is designed to be enjoyed however you like, and > however much commitment you give it is how much enjoyment > you get out of it. If you leave a station on in the > background, you will have noise to distract you. If you wear > headphones, you will hear a produced quarter hour of > carefully selected music that a professional stressed hours > over. If they did it right, the mix will give you a better > experience than any random internet stream will give you. If > you are listening to a talk show, you can also leave it on > for noise, but you can also get up to twenty minutes of free > wheeling discussion that will either make you laugh, think > or make you angry. No other media at all gives you twenty > commercial free minutes of entertainment, and there are > thousands of radio stations that are doing it right now 24 > hours a day with absolutely no cost to the listener. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yes, ad revenue is down. Of course it is, we are in a > recession. But we still have a huge audience that we can > give to our advertisers. Now is the time to cultivate > relationships with advertisers and we can't do that when > we are radically changing the product that we are selling. > Remember, its not the 60 second spots we are selling, its > the airtime. Radically changing the product does not help at > all in getting revenue up. >=20 >=20 >=20 > But yet we slash. We try to figure out how to cut corners, > assuming that the industry will never be the same. Network > TV numbers are way down, so they are cutting costs. > Newspapers are cutting like crazy, because less people read > newspapers. The number of radio listeners actually went up > in 2008, but.. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Why are we looking to other media whose numbers are > declining for leadership? Why don't we point out that > you must pay for digital TV boxes, you must subscribe to > cable, you need a subscription or a website account to view > periodicals. Why can't we point out that we are the > industry that thrived during the real great depression, and > we have the audience that has never gone away. Why don't > we point out that the rise of the Internet actually adds to > radio, because it the one media that you can enjoy at the > same time as surfing the web? We don't point that out, > we just slash. We assume that if television and newspapers > are doing it, we should too. These are the same outlets that > excoriate our business, calling us "shock talk" > and look down their noses at us. They shame us, call us > names, put labels on us, have less of an audience than we > do, compete for the same advertising dollars that we do, and > yet we follow their lead. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Don't you see that now is the time to act? Our industry > is not hurting, it is thriving. The Internet has given us > the one thing we never had: a visual element. We can take > this one dimensional media and our listeners can enhance > their experience if they choose to. Plus, we can save huge > amounts of money on promotions cost by using free Web 2.0 > services like Facebook, Twitter and Plurk. We can reach > listeners now and remind them to listen in ways we never had > before, and we think this industry is in trouble? >=20 >=20 >=20 > But still we slash. We devalue how important we are to the > audience. We forget that our industry is still a dominant > media, and people on TV have every reason to say we are less > than that. Yet still we slash, as if the radio side of the > economic downturn will never end, regardless of the fact > that the audience still wants and needs us. The death of > radio? As with the most tragic cases of self loathing, > we're committing suicide. >=20 >=20 >=20 > thetumbrel@gmail. > com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Feb 16 16:46:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65154 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 00:46:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 00:46:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 00:46:23 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.34] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090216184550001266800010.0) with SMTP id <20090216184550001266800010> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:45:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00c201c99099$e05a9a80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <446567.13041.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:45:50 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=7LX_4mCw_S_xmQRDEjch-CHVRyZEG9vH96Jr8Xnl3NLv_O0df9Fp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They could buy some very good used AM stereo gear with that money. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The 44 series is a ribbon microphone from the 40's, and can bring thousands and thousands of dollars on EBAY or the used market. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Feb 16 16:57:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78012 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 00:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 00:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 00:57:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.34] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090216185705002563900010.0) with SMTP id <20090216185705002563900010> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:57:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <013201c9909b$722dbae0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <566376.68718.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:57:05 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=4a0w50OdXqSkV1wEXtKf89fSi-rL2p9Z_o7CiyDIQ8QaF9DkZM4- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only ones with tubes that I ever heard of have been condenser types. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Vintage microphones Does the RCA mic actually have a 'tube' inside of it? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Feb 16 17:00:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82542 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 01:00:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 01:00:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 01:00:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.34] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090216185941002280600017.0) with SMTP id <20090216185941002280600017> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:59:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <014601c9909b$cf6b0dc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:59:41 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: AM DRM testings vs AM CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=mn7ZQ3mD5dt_GEcrY5Yyq8YYnVwLuBQ3_dtgWBFx21mFQyos5bzA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DRM is no more compatible with CQUAM or any other AM stereo mode than is IBUZZ. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:38 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT: AM DRM testings vs AM CQUAM --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@..." wrote: > Hi Thank you for a breath of fresh air.Can you run DRM and C-QuAM at > the same time?All I know here in the states thay are broadcasting > noise and I herd it and it sounded like crap to me. Remember I am a > radio fan and listener and I am not a engineer. Dose DRM make as much > noise as ICRAP. Not only most of AM here is in mono thay also want to > play info comershals and politcs. No one wants to play music any > more. No one asked us what we the listeners want. I guess thay think > we want to hear about toe nail fungus and worts and colin cleaner and > politics. GEE!!! Thats what we realy want to hear in sted of > music.Any way THANK YOU Sotiris. Jim Smith In a dieing AM band area. > Hi Jim Well haven't test that yet, but after finishing all my DRM tests I might do it! However at test phase I was in need of the carrier to be present, to make a TX11A lock on it, and take the IF of it to feed a PC. The TX11A was set an Narrow bandwidth and the audio coming from it haven't any easily listenable noises from the DRM component that was active at +12KHz from carrier center! Note that the DRM decoding was still excellent at an SNR >29db with the carrier present. We didi also a test, inserting a carrier at +20dbr to DRM at exactly the center of the DRM mask, and the SNR just lowered at 28.3db. Next time I will try to modulate the carrier with at least mono component, to see if it will kill DRM SNR or be killed (the analog mono0 by the DRM bitstream. Probably the later should occur, but what the hell, I'll try it!!! :) Best regards Sotiris --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Feb 16 17:06:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67119 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 01:06:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 01:06:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 01:06:13 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail21.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.161]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE3WDL6A48L3GS for (sender ); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:05:32 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8lBbDiXeN5CYl8ryzEqItc= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail21.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N9KKAE4A; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:04:48 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.43] by webmail21.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:04:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:04:00 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090216.170400.2883.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:2827777884 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.161|webmail21.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Washington's Birthday in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=CLsjAwTJofcipOX4Qn4wZuL5AI4UD5BTISFm7mMlqA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Washington's Birthday in AM Stereo: Section 6103 of Title 5, United States Code, currently designates that lega= l federal holiday as 'Washington's Birthday.' Contrary to popular opinion, = no action by Congress or order by any President has changed 'Washington's B= irthday' to 'Presidents' Day'." In honor of and due respect for our first and (we believe) greatest preside= nt, arguably, our history's most outstanding Patriot, we include two quotes= from George Washington which best embody his dedication to liberty and God= . The first from his First Inaugural Address, 30 April 1789, and the second= from his Farewell Address, 19 September 1796. "The preservation of the sacred fire of liberty, and the destiny of the rep= ublican model of government, are justly considered as deeply, perhaps as fi= nally, staked on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American Peop= le." "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Rel= igion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim= the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great Pillars= of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of Men and citizen= s."=20 What a neat guy! From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Feb 16 18:34:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3022 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 02:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 02:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 02:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 02:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 02:34:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:34:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090216.170400.2883.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.149.52.115 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: Washington's Birthday in AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=gV0KGuVHIMjZn9Bfhr0Mbgmm_i3y53VM4P0k5hiFGCb80yA X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" =20 wrote: > > Washington's Birthday in AM Stereo: >=20 > Section 6103 of Title 5, United States Code, currently designates=20 that legal federal holiday as 'Washington's Birthday.' Contrary to=20 popular opinion, no action by Congress or order by any President has=20 changed 'Washington's Birthday' to 'Presidents' Day'." >=20 > In honor of and due respect for our first and (we believe) greatest=20 president, arguably, our history's most outstanding Patriot, we=20 include two quotes from George Washington which best embody his=20 dedication to liberty and God. The first from his First Inaugural=20 Address, 30 April 1789, and the second from his Farewell Address, 19=20 September 1796. >=20 > "The preservation of the sacred fire of liberty, and the destiny of=20 the republican model of government, are justly considered as deeply,=20 perhaps as finally, staked on the experiment entrusted to the hands=20 of the American People." >=20 > "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political=20 prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain=20 would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to=20 subvert these great Pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props=20 of the duties of Men and citizens."=20 >=20 > What a neat guy! > "Knowledge Is Good" Emil Faber From sub83@shortwavelog.com Mon Feb 16 20:05:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub83@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50704 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 04:05:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 04:05:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 04:05:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 04:05:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 04:05:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 04:05:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.228.165.41 From: "Robert Sillett" Subject: Re: OT: AM DRM testings vs AM CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=346563316; y=toMfdXQevuSI_MAuRKeazzBV5f2SyqqgLlHNUaLQQdnUtA X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett I don't know what bandwidth is being run in Europe for their AM/MW testing of DRM, but on shortwave the bandwidth is quite small. Today I was listening to the block of DRM transmissions from Sackville, Canada on 9800 kHz. Over several hours, Vatican Radio, Radio Canada, Radio Netherlands, Radio Sweden, etc. are broadcast. The transmission rate was just 17.2 kbps. Sackville also runs a broadcast of TDP Radio in stereo. If memory serves me, its bit rate is slightly higher -- in the 19 or 20 kbps range.=20=20 The 17.2 kbps rate is tweaked to fit in the 5 kHz spacing of shortwave. Certainly there would be more room to play with on AM/MW to 9 or 10 kHz. But even if the rate doubles to 40 kbps or even 50 kbps, it's still a quite low bitrate.=20=20 Bob, N3OEA --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: >=20 > THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS!!!!!!! >=20 > I wonder if the bad sound is due to the digital compress stream. CD=20 > rate is around 1440 kbps. The best MP3 needs more 192 kbps, better=20 > more than this value. Which is the DRM rate? >=20 > I wonder if you could test a crazy idea I have since years: DC=20 > modulation. I mean to put the digital stream directly on the carrier=20 > as a subsonic data (a DC voltage). Can it be done? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From dav259@optusnet.com.au Tue Feb 17 01:07:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13051 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 09:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 09:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.185) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 09:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (d122-104-70-119.meb2.vic.optusnet.com.au [122.104.70.119]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n1H97XAo018589 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:07:34 +1100 To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:07:32 +1100 Message-ID: <80173F7D87DA4DCE85E6C7A031E853DC@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcmQNllxnJ4WN71qSaaoPQq4rajYKAAoST/A X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} NEW AM STEREO LIST ... and DAB+ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=kvDo4DbdgoN5FByQW_XQvqytQcBWlgp2Cvt3qQAudTZd X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Juan Gualda No politics, just AM STEREO...... For an invitation to join, email your email address to radiojuan@bellsouth.net Hi Juan I can't read every thread on the AMS Forum anymore because much of it is now irrelevant to me, and we have so many radio problems here in Oz with the intro of DAB+ in just 76 days. Going off on a tangent ... it's another disgrace. Just like the intro of AM stereo in 1985. Hardly anyone knows it's about to happen. There are no radio receivers advertised as available, and no promotion. Only yesterday I received this message from the Station Manager at Magic 1278. "In regard to digital, the heatwave and subsequent Total Fire Ban days have slowed some of the technical work on Mt Dandenong. We are still aiming for May 1 but it will be very tight. We will go into heavy promotion mode once we are confident everything will be in place." He's a good man, but the bloody awful Victorian bushfires thankfully haven't impinged on the Melbourne metro area. It's just another copout for all the planning Magic 1278 should have done. Along with all the others. Which says nothing of the magnificent job our local government funded ABC station (774 3LO) has done throughout this calamity. It's been nothing short of brilliant ... and has saved lives. It's been AM radio at its best! Another tangent ... Juan You are a good guy too. But starting a new AM stereo list is NOT the answer. It's happened far too often before. I joined Bryan's AM stereo list in 2000 thinking that we could change the world. Not long after, it imploded. Dennis started the iaaas (International Advocates for AM Stereo) list and it grew very nicely and to me seemed to be the natural group of AM stereo advocates from around the world. About the same time KT started this Forum. The iaaas list was great for me. I felt so militant and positive. But eventually it was brought down by egos and destruction. Much of it was caused by an AM stereo broadcaster in the Carolinas who wanted to take over the running of AM stereo lists. I believe he is still here but should pull in his horns. After the iaaas list imploded I gave my total support to KT's (THIS) list because it was the biggest. I've always supported one list. It's what we have to do if we really want to achieve anything. And frankly Kevin Tekel has done a wonderful job moderating and growing this list. He's been sent to hell and back a couple of times and still come through almost unscathed. I salute our moderator, and declare my allegiance as long as he maintains his pretty good moderation (as in unmoderated) running of the list. I am disappointed with the co-moderator in not coming forward at times like this. Enough said ... Please Juan ... DON'T start a new list. It will just end up the same as it always has. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 08:11:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29144 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 16:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 16:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 16:11:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 16:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 16:11:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:11:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.212 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: OT: AM DRM testings vs AM CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BpruNwCmKB_TG4NIY2PfU9pNXvAVIOAHrHqOA7WWaTrJScHoZA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Sillett" =20 wrote: > > I don't know what bandwidth is being run in Europe for their AM/MW > testing of DRM, but on shortwave the bandwidth is quite small.=20=20 Today > I was listening to the block of DRM transmissions from Sackville, > Canada on 9800 kHz. Over several hours, Vatican Radio, Radio=20 Canada, > Radio Netherlands, Radio Sweden, etc. are broadcast. >=20 > The transmission rate was just 17.2 kbps. Sackville also runs a > broadcast of TDP Radio in stereo. If memory serves me, its bit=20 rate > is slightly higher -- in the 19 or 20 kbps range.=20=20 >=20 > The 17.2 kbps rate is tweaked to fit in the 5 kHz spacing of > shortwave. Certainly there would be more room to play with on=20 AM/MW > to 9 or 10 kHz. But even if the rate doubles to 40 kbps or even 50 > kbps, it's still a quite low bitrate.=20=20 >=20 > Bob, N3OEA >=20 EXCESSIVELY LOW BITRATE!!!!!!! Tell me something (remember I'm not an academic engineer): How much=20 RF bandwidth is necessary to room 192 kbps? Can we put it into a=20 pure PM carrier with only 10 KHZ bandwidth? If it is not possible... simply: DIGITAL AUDIO ISN'T AVAILABLE TO AM. What about the old HAM radio "Charlie Whisky" (CW) morse code? Can=20 we put a subsonic carrier (let's say 20 HZ), into the main audio=20 channel, and put it ON, with each "1" bit, and OFF, with each "0"=20 bit? Is it possible to do without to disturb the rest of the normal=20 analog audio? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 17 08:27:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87036 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 16:27:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 16:27:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 16:27:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bd6.493a45d9 (34918) for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:46 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.148]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA033-5c5b499ae53c32e; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:41 -0500 X-Received: from MBLK-M08 (mblk-m08.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.41]) by smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB011-5c5b499ae53c32e; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:36 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:36 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:26:36 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB5F33A314BE1F-1328-4D3@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=PP9G3obd-nyC0uLR1RuoxBjI99lpUDEPUI_thYNlFpzgzsKf7Tt8GLMY5WRJTMzx X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The last time I saw one of those RCA 44B microphones was in high school fou= r decades ago and it was an obsolete leftover even back then.=C2=A0 It look= s impressive, especially if you have one of those cast call sign plaques to= put on top of it, but weighs a ton and didn't sound as good as a $20 conde= nser mic from Radio Shack.=C2=A0 Definitely an AM mic as it had no high end= and sounded "dull" as I recall. However, if you want to play Edward R. Morrow or Walter Winchell (you will = need a Fedora as well), it can't be beat as a prop. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:16 am Subject: {AMSF} Re: Vintage microphones Hi Gang!!! I created a new Photo Album to add any pictures about those old=20 vintage things we have, in use or not. I uploaded pics of my vintage microphones. What about the RCA 44-B output pin diagram? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > >=20 > On Feb 16, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: >=20 > > Not really, as it's not a ribbon microphone. It just LOOKS like=20 a=20 > > 74B and that is where the similarity ends. >=20 > The one in Production sounds NICE anyway. >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 08:30:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68853 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 16:30:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 16:30:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 16:30:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 16:30:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.112] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 16:30:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:30:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <013201c9909b$722dbae0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.33 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ZQRbB8FXxj43xSCcXeN-3kOD6R-vEnClxwBUrtxQJvMkpneNFw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > The only ones with tubes that I ever heard of have been condenser=20 types. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 Strictly speaking, there was (maybe still there is) some dynamic=20 mikes with active preamplifier, inside the box, but only in wireless=20 systems. I had a Philips wireless pack with a dynamic coil as mike,=20 but it was 30 years ago. I guess, today, all wireless systems use=20 condenser pieces as mike. It is unnecessary to use an active=20 preamplifer inside the box of a dynamic mike, because it has enough=20 voltage and enough "room" to get a very clean and strong signal. The RCA 44-B doesn't have any kind of active circuit inside. Just=20 two very good and large transformers to support the=20 veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery large ribbon. Or is it only one transformer with=20 two separated magnets? Whatever, the ribbon is between the two=20 magnets. I tried again and now I get a very, very, good sound. It sounds=20 great!!! (I guess the problem was the cable I used, because now I=20 try with another). Only a question: these two microphones have a "figure 8" polar=20 pattern. Can we change it? How? It is intended because they "catch"=20 even the fly's flying, hahahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 08:40:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15918 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 16:40:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 16:40:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:40:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CB5F33A314BE1F-1328-4D3@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.33 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=B_pCrC84lhZqVZYC2WlTduRI0gN_W9bGvNK1ioOeRhuliweonw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > The last time I saw one of those RCA 44B microphones was in high=20 school four decades ago and it was an obsolete leftover even back=20 then.=C2=A0 It looks impressive, especially if you have one of those=20 cast call sign plaques to put on top of it, but weighs a ton and=20 didn't sound as good as a $20 condenser mic from Radio Shack.=C2=A0=20 Definitely an AM mic as it had no high end and sounded "dull" as I=20 recall. >=20 > However, if you want to play Edward R. Morrow or Walter Winchell=20 (you will need a Fedora as well), it can't be beat as a prop. >=20 > Mike >=20 Wrong, it isn't a "dull" sound. I put in on my Tascam M-208 mixer=20 and I only need some 6-9 KHZ band emphasis (around 6 DBS) to get=20 almost the same amount of high spectrum energy than one Shure 12A or=20 a Taiwan unknown dynamic mike. However, you're absolutely right about the weight and the comparison=20 with condenser mikes. Of course, a Neumann U-87i is the "Throne on=20 High" class, but... remember I am on the poor part of the world. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 17 08:47:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44361 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 16:47:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 16:47:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 16:47:34 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cbc.3b3ac798 (37038) for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:46:38 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB028-5bbd499ae8b722c; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:46:39 -0500 X-Received: from MBLK-M08 (mblk-m08.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.41]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA034-5bbd499ae8b722c; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:41:27 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:41:27 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:41:27 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB5F35B6146245-1328-5FD@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The down fall of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=0Z7hmYc35WgEdhDDPrmVSzcZPBwdUfNfNjPbS2xuVEgQzlnRzljflW0ttDEKzS4M X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan, You have to look at the spectral content of the program material.=C2=A0 The= re is isn't that much true content in excess of 10 khz.=C2=A0 Because the s= pectral content is small, the transmitted bandwidth can meet the FCC requir= ements even while maintaining a flat response out to 15 khz. What does tend to appear in the +10khz=C2=A0 region is not true program con= tent but rather harmonic distortion for where the program spectral content = is concentrated.=C2=A0 If one decides to run a full 15 khz audio bandwidth,= he or she better make certain their equipment is low distortion. AM broadcast frequencies in the U.S. are allocated at 10 khz intervals.=C2= =A0 There are protection rules for first and second adjacents.=C2=A0 For di= stant signals, most modern receivers can easily pick out adjacent frequenci= es.=C2=A0 However, when there is a large difference in signal strength, the= first and sometimes second adjacent is wiped out.=C2=A0 I THINK within the= same urban area, stations are keeps seperated by at least 40=C2=A0kilohert= z. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:28 pm Subject: {AMSF} Re: The down fall of radio I'm not confuse with that. The final RF channel bandwidth, in AM, is directly related with the=20 audio signal bandwidth. If I put a pink noise audio signal, with the full human audio=20 spectrum from 20 HZ to 20 KHZ, I'll get a 40 KHZ final RF channel=20 bandwidth (20 KHZ in the20LSB and 20 KHZ in USB). That is the reason because the FCC rule is 10 KHZ maximun audio=20 bandwidth: it means a 20 KHZ final RF channel bandwidth (10 KHZ in=20 LSB and 10 KHZ in the USB). Also, it means the stations must to be separated 20 KHZ each others=20 to avoid the interferences. However, I think it could be 30 KHZ to=20 avoid any DX interference. Also, it means the maximun available number of stations in the full=20 MW band is: (1630-510)/20 =3D 56 to any given coverage area. Where=20 1630 and 510 are the maximun and minimun carrier frecuencies=20 available. This is the main reason because the licences war in all over the=20 world, for years: not all the people can have an AM station because=20 there is no enough room!!! In FM, the final RF channel is more wide because any audio frecuency=20 on the air produces and infinite series of sidebands (according to=20 the academic equation it is related with the total deviation of the=20 carrier and the audio bandwidth). The FCC rule lets +-75 KHZ or 150 KHZ total RF channel width,=20 despite of the total audio bandwidth. It means we can put the typical stereo composite signal (53 KHZ=20 total bandwidth) + some other SCA (believe it or not, could there be=20 some station with a total 120 KHZ signal bandwdith because these=20 SCA!!!). But the final carrier deviation will always be +-75 KHZ and=20 the final RF channel MUST be 150 KHZ max. This is just the "dreamed" theory, of course. Actually, in CHile, a=20 lot of s tations are absolutely out of the rule to get more coverage=20 area (and a lot of distortion too). If I have an AM station with a "legal" 10 KHZ audio bandwidth in my=20 audio chain and I get more than the "legal" +-10 KHZ final RF=20 channel bandwidth, it means the TX is "distortionning" the audio=20 (overmodulation, excessive bias current in the modulation stage, old=20 tubes, etc.), because there is no any technical reason to get more=20 than the audio itself. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > No, George, you are entirely correct. Theoretically you could=20 have much higher fidelity, but bandwidth and current channel spacing=20 becomes an issue. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: george russell=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Mike, I could be wrong on this, but I believe the NRSC "mask" is=20 now law, isn't it? Something like 30 db down at 10.2 kHz?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 17 09:01:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9638 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 17:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 17:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 17:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d47.3c5b0dd3 (37542) for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:56:52 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB023-5baa499aec474d; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:56:48 -0500 X-Received: from MBLK-M08 (mblk-m08.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.41]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA011-5baa499aec474d; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:56:39 -0500 References: <6BE568CF-6FFD-4CE4-9D7A-BA3ABDD6326D@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:56:39 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:56:39 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB5F37D5F7A75B-1328-739@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Ampliphase Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=QhoALW_BX6talastyqPNO0q_rCnTMQr-tYuuOP8dr4Jjn2zgaDV6tzldfFH1FkAJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know someone who is looked to part with a 5kW Ampliphase transmitter.? Given it has a solid state exciter, it's most like circa 1970.? Nothing does AM Stereo better than an Ampliphase unless it was specifically designed for AMS. I have been working on a modern AMS Ampliphase Exciter for use with the older finals and power supplies.? Juan, how about a real killer to drive that new antenna of yours? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 10:23:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48864 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 18:23:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 18:23:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 18:23:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46563 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2009 18:23:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mDmYZg0VM1lX7hwyXypbYeDbFXziUD0qrVqssSUYS6aI494VV4_AMrioxIaeAEyin.r8aDO.azChw8Bvgee9l_l_yJg7diIkgc0dQrOt512VQYiYtlzYPaJsBzZ0P771YUEn9o4i..GnFwWu.0a6MKyK7.Gp.t0wAUfvwzCOiP5CY8xDQGLBUbcJ1t4YTTuiFeggFBwAQ.te5lCotGl5uY1ELuDhwlWM5ZOyNDg. X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:23:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:23:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB5F33A314BE1F-1328-4D3@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <288870.45668.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=nZlu8NUQIl71zx1x4uRI8kpoUWn9Uov9i5Etb9LC8u4 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW If the 44BX sounded dull, there was something wrong with it. It of course d= idn't sound SCREECHY like that $20 RS thing, but it has full response. It j= ust has to CAREFULLY be taken care of, and a lot of times was not.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 2/17/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The last time I saw one of those RCA 44B microphones was in > high school four decades ago and it was an obsolete leftover > even back then.=A0 It looks impressive, especially if you > have one of those cast call sign plaques to put on top of > it, but weighs a ton and didn't sound as good as a $20 > condenser mic from Radio Shack.=A0 Definitely an AM mic as it > had no high end and sounded "dull" as I recall. >=20 > However, if you want to play Edward R. Morrow or Walter > Winchell (you will need a Fedora as well), it can't be > beat as a prop. http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 10:26:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88287 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 18:26:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 18:26:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 18:26:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44423 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2009 18:26:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dOlLlZkVM1lOUB5UAdxGpJRpmXSKH99Bc.FiSw8oDLppNuGZBVjw3vxgk25FgErENqj0r9rfsAMDbs5C4cSqYjUKYL08H7VciFTLw.ZH_bwtUn9R2_KzLTKNwJWms0rzJ7dXr4P9eCE5T6WnMjg4NZvjcYxqTYzPnYuyTvewX49VEk2wU4UFYPHNz29trh5rEMBM2J_RFrJLyyV96VoaV3Dh X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:26:26 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:26:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <978559.44035.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RCA ribbon microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=vp1-ROLIW7RofwdElpX9R21U4Y4OdDYVJVvokWDg01Q X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The 44 and 77 series are ribbon microphones, and yes have a cardiod pattern, and no you can't change them. If you need to transport the microphone, be sure to cover it up so NO wind at all can damage the ribbon. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 17 11:45:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87336 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 19:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 19:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 19:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mail.aol.com [172.18.157.194]) by imr-d04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN7-8499b1399234; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:44:25 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bc3.42df061d (37540) for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:19:02 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.148]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB021-5c62499af17830f; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:19:04 -0500 X-Received: from MBLK-M08 (mblk-m08.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.41]) by smtprly-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB018-5c62499af17830f; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:18:48 -0500 References: <000a01c98f52$a7df76a0$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:18:48 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 172.18.157.194 In-Reply-To: <000a01c98f52$a7df76a0$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.41) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:18:48 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB5F3AEDCDDC71-1328-8DE@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=TZe2GVXQnBfU9ADidrYoqG5sAXaOrA9cWvTzKJBfsDiwzJoLUApXYmihy9cb5Iko X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI Gang Here's a subject I want to talk about. Every one says that TOP 40 worked very well. Then how come no one wants to broadcast that any more? Like the dinosaur, it was awesome in its time, but that time may have come and gone.? Radio dramas were highly successful in the 30s and 40s, but had become nearly extinct by the time Top 40 came around to replace them. Successful Top 40 was really a science.? It wasn't just the music played.? It was an artful combination of a precise rotation, strong on-air personalities, jingle packages, news, and promotion.? It wasn't a lone DJ?spinning records at a board.? The program directors who mastered this art are now retired, few, and far between.? This format was expensive and few stations today?have the ad revenue to support it.? Even?modest middle-market stations like KFRC (5kW San Francisco), KXOK (5kW St. Louis), and?WHB (10kW Kansas City) were BIG?broadcast operations by today's standards.? Why radio dramas were successful was because they fit the medium at the time.? Why Top 40 was successful was because it fit the medium at the time.? Why Talk Radio has been successful is because it fits the medium at the time.? See a pattern? Talk Radio has two principal strengths.? It's cheap and has a avid, though limited, following.? Successful Top 40 was just the opposite.? It was expensive and commanded a wide demographic. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 17 11:59:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97066 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 19:59:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 19:59:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 19:59:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 19:59:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 19:59:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:59:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CB5F3AEDCDDC71-1328-8DE@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.57.250.20 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=sEfC45es4ZAn8cIm0lqIxkVAeJUwsKmMJAYmu6NCq9eTGq49gnere3LJS5CsPg7NvCwKHVBB X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 >=20 > HI Gang Here's a subject I want to talk about. Every one says that=20 TOP 40 worked very well. Then how come no one wants to broadcast that=20 any more? > Like the dinosaur, it was awesome in its time, but that time may=20 have come and gone.? Radio dramas were highly successful in the 30s=20 and 40s, but had become nearly extinct by the time Top 40 came around=20 to replace them. >=20 > Successful Top 40 was really a science.? It wasn't just the music=20 played.? It was an artful combination of a precise rotation, strong=20 on-air personalities, jingle packages, news, and promotion.? It=20 wasn't a lone DJ?spinning records at a board.? The program directors=20 who mastered this art are now retired, few, and far between.? This=20 format was expensive and few stations today?have the ad revenue to=20 support it.? Even?modest middle-market stations like KFRC (5kW San=20 Francisco), KXOK (5kW St. Louis), and?WHB (10kW Kansas City) were BIG? broadcast operations by today's standards.?=20 >=20 > Why radio dramas were successful was because they fit the medium at=20 the time.? Why Top 40 was successful was because it fit the medium at=20 the time.? Why Talk Radio has been successful is because it fits the=20 medium at the time.? See a pattern? >=20 > Talk Radio has two principal strengths.? It's cheap and has a avid,=20 though limited, following.? Successful Top 40 was just the opposite.?=20 It was expensive and commanded a wide demographic. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike I have a feeling that talk radio is neer the end of its run=20 now. I loved KFRC. I listened to it every chance i had over local=20 KROY AM 1240 and others.Jim Smith In a dieing AM BAND area. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 11:59:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59430 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 19:59:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 19:59:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 19:59:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 19:59:56 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.100] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 19:59:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:59:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CB5F3AEDCDDC71-1328-8DE@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.135 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=8kcDmbWtf1KEA0Uo5fP_9zhEkiXH3I0IeA-tJdQk8Xiz6U516w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 My humble opinion about this issue is (if somebody wants to know=20 it)... WE NEED NEW RADIO OWNERS TO SAVE TODAY RADIO STATIONS!!! Why? 1) We need radio owners who must be capable to join theirselves and=20 fight against the music maffia. 2) The same thing to fight against some stupid FCC rules (I'm a=20 chilean man, not USA ctizen, but my local government always follows=20 FCC rules so... it is important to me). 3) The same thing to fight with the manufacters and get a new=20 generation of AM tuners, with a full 10 KHZ audio response, full=20 stereo capabilities, some DPS (to get less noise, etc.) and AT=20 REASONABLE PRICES, of course. 4) We need music come back to the radio, BUT NOT A SIMPLE WINAMP=20 PLAYLIST!!! We don't need a "programmed record player on the air".=20 We need a constant interaction between the listener and the radio=20 station. 5) We need less advertising, less news, less talks and less sports=20 on the air. 6) We need more local stations (not national networks). Just my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 >=20 > HI Gang Here's a subject I want to talk about. Every one says that=20 TOP 40 worked very well. Then how come no one wants to broadcast=20 that any more? > Like the dinosaur, it was awesome in its time, but that time may=20 have come and gone.? Radio dramas were highly successful in the 30s=20 and 40s, but had become nearly extinct by the time Top 40 came=20 around to replace them. >=20 > Successful Top 40 was really a science.? It wasn't just the music=20 played.? It was an artful combination of a precise rotation, strong=20 on-air personalities, jingle packages, news, and promotion.? It=20 wasn't a lone DJ?spinning records at a board.? The program directors=20 who mastered this art are now retired, few, and far between.? This=20 format was expensive and few stations today?have the ad revenue to=20 support it.? Even?modest middle-market stations like KFRC (5kW San=20 Francisco), KXOK (5kW St. Louis), and?WHB (10kW Kansas City) were=20 BIG?broadcast operations by today's standards.?=20 >=20 > Why radio dramas were successful was because they fit the medium=20 at the time.? Why Top 40 was successful was because it fit the=20 medium at the time.? Why Talk Radio has been successful is because=20 it fits the medium at the time.? See a pattern? >=20 > Talk Radio has two principal strengths.? It's cheap and has a=20 avid, though limited, following.? Successful Top 40 was just the=20 opposite.? It was expensive and commanded a wide demographic. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 17 12:08:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88093 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 20:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 20:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 20:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 20:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 20:08:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:08:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.57.250.20 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=VaKxgt8Z2ewbHJcQc78pxicOdFu5pgZbvrRXAssbTBnLXk0CnD4ZZFg-71fyuGi0Pe53lGKi X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > My humble opinion about this issue is (if somebody wants to know=20 > it)... WE NEED NEW RADIO OWNERS TO SAVE TODAY RADIO STATIONS!!! >=20 > Why? >=20 > 1) We need radio owners who must be capable to join theirselves and=20 > fight against the music maffia. >=20 > 2) The same thing to fight against some stupid FCC rules (I'm a=20 > chilean man, not USA ctizen, but my local government always follows=20 > FCC rules so... it is important to me). >=20 > 3) The same thing to fight with the manufacters and get a new=20 > generation of AM tuners, with a full 10 KHZ audio response, full=20 > stereo capabilities, some DPS (to get less noise, etc.) and AT=20 > REASONABLE PRICES, of course. >=20 > 4) We need music come back to the radio, BUT NOT A SIMPLE WINAMP=20 > PLAYLIST!!! We don't need a "programmed record player on the air".=20 > We need a constant interaction between the listener and the radio=20 > station. >=20 > 5) We need less advertising, less news, less talks and less sports=20 > on the air. >=20 > 6) We need more local stations (not national networks). >=20 > Just my humble opinion. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@ wrote: > > > >=20 > >=20 > > HI Gang Here's a subject I want to talk about. Every one says=20 that=20 > TOP 40 worked very well. Then how come no one wants to broadcast=20 > that any more? > > Like the dinosaur, it was awesome in its time, but that time may=20 > have come and gone.? Radio dramas were highly successful in the 30s=20 > and 40s, but had become nearly extinct by the time Top 40 came=20 > around to replace them. > >=20 > > Successful Top 40 was really a science.? It wasn't just the music=20 > played.? It was an artful combination of a precise rotation, strong=20 > on-air personalities, jingle packages, news, and promotion.? It=20 > wasn't a lone DJ?spinning records at a board.? The program=20 directors=20 > who mastered this art are now retired, few, and far between.? This=20 > format was expensive and few stations today?have the ad revenue to=20 > support it.? Even?modest middle-market stations like KFRC (5kW San=20 > Francisco), KXOK (5kW St. Louis), and?WHB (10kW Kansas City) were=20 > BIG?broadcast operations by today's standards.?=20 > >=20 > > Why radio dramas were successful was because they fit the medium=20 > at the time.? Why Top 40 was successful was because it fit the=20 > medium at the time.? Why Talk Radio has been successful is because=20 > it fits the medium at the time.? See a pattern? > >=20 > > Talk Radio has two principal strengths.? It's cheap and has a=20 > avid, though limited, following.? Successful Top 40 was just the=20 > opposite.? It was expensive and commanded a wide demographic. > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Juan I could not agree more talk radio i think is at its end of=20 its run . You know worts toe nail fungus and sports and politics and=20 that is not entertaining at all. Jim Smith In a dieing AM BAND AREA From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 12:10:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73947 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 20:10:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 20:10:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 20:10:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 20:10:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 20:10:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:10:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CB5F35B6146245-1328-5FD@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.135 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The down fall of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=D9hh2fSYsgKkv6Wj5KD_eESrcB79Pv0dfgFxCvsTKqkLTG3p7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Mike!!! Yes, you're absolutely right. By the way, I always look around the spectral analyzer. I've always=20 loved this device, hehehehe. I hope FCC be more smart than my local authorities, who has two AM=20 stations at 10 KHZ of carrier separation and just 50 kms (31 miles)=20 distance each other, hahahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 > Juan, >=20 >=20 >=20 > You have to look at the spectral content of the program=20 material.=C2=A0 There is isn't that much true content in excess of 10=20 khz.=C2=A0 Because the spectral content is small, the transmitted=20 bandwidth can meet the FCC requirements even while maintaining a=20 flat response out to 15 khz. >=20 >=20 >=20 > What does tend to appear in the +10khz=C2=A0 region is not true=20 program content but rather harmonic distortion for where the program=20 spectral content is concentrated.=C2=A0 If one decides to run a full 15=20 khz audio bandwidth, he or she better make certain their equipment=20 is low distortion. >=20 >=20 >=20 > AM broadcast frequencies in the U.S. are allocated at 10 khz=20 intervals.=C2=A0 There are protection rules for first and second=20 adjacents.=C2=A0 For distant signals, most modern receivers can easily=20 pick out adjacent frequencies.=C2=A0 However, when there is a large=20 difference in signal strength, the first and sometimes second=20 adjacent is wiped out.=C2=A0 I THINK within the same urban area,=20 stations are keeps seperated by at least 40=C2=A0kilohertz. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: jotape1960 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:28 pm > Subject: {AMSF} Re: The down fall of radio >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I'm not confuse with that. >=20 > The final RF channel bandwidth, in AM, is directly related with=20 the=20 > audio signal bandwidth. >=20 > If I put a pink noise audio signal, with the full human audio=20 > spectrum from 20 HZ to 20 KHZ, I'll get a 40 KHZ final RF channel=20 > bandwidth (20 KHZ in the20LSB and 20 KHZ in USB). >=20 > That is the reason because the FCC rule is 10 KHZ maximun audio=20 > bandwidth: it means a 20 KHZ final RF channel bandwidth (10 KHZ in=20 > LSB and 10 KHZ in the USB). >=20 > Also, it means the stations must to be separated 20 KHZ each=20 others=20 > to avoid the interferences. However, I think it could be 30 KHZ to=20 > avoid any DX interference. >=20 > Also, it means the maximun available number of stations in the=20 full=20 > MW band is: (1630-510)/20 =3D 56 to any given coverage area. Where=20 > 1630 and 510 are the maximun and minimun carrier frecuencies=20 > available. >=20 > This is the main reason because the licences war in all over the=20 > world, for years: not all the people can have an AM station=20 because=20 > there is no enough room!!! >=20 > In FM, the final RF channel is more wide because any audio=20 frecuency=20 > on the air produces and infinite series of sidebands (according to=20 > the academic equation it is related with the total deviation of=20 the=20 > carrier and the audio bandwidth). >=20 > The FCC rule lets +-75 KHZ or 150 KHZ total RF channel width,=20 > despite of the total audio bandwidth. >=20 > It means we can put the typical stereo composite signal (53 KHZ=20 > total bandwidth) + some other SCA (believe it or not, could there=20 be=20 > some station with a total 120 KHZ signal bandwdith because these=20 > SCA!!!). But the final carrier deviation will always be +-75 KHZ=20 and=20 > the final RF channel MUST be 150 KHZ max. >=20 > This is just the "dreamed" theory, of course. Actually, in CHile,=20 a=20 > lot of s > tations are absolutely out of the rule to get more coverage=20 > area (and a lot of distortion too). >=20 > If I have an AM station with a "legal" 10 KHZ audio bandwidth in=20 my=20 > audio chain and I get more than the "legal" +-10 KHZ final RF=20 > channel bandwidth, it means the TX is "distortionning" the audio=20 > (overmodulation, excessive bias current in the modulation stage,=20 old=20 > tubes, etc.), because there is no any technical reason to get more=20 > than the audio itself. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > No, George, you are entirely correct. Theoretically you could=20 > have much higher fidelity, but bandwidth and current channel=20 spacing=20 > becomes an issue. > >=20 > > Scott Todd > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: george russell=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Mike, I could be wrong on this, but I believe the NRSC "mask" is=20 > now law, isn't it? Something like 30 db down at 10.2 kHz?=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 > http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 17 12:15:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56891 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 20:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 20:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 20:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 20:15:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 20:15:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:15:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.135 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=8RImWZLb2aVDaohIknhyb7ki5JZvOkKe02GShYEVpFIKhoT_xw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@..."=20 wrote: > > Hi Juan I could not agree more talk radio i think is at its end of=20 > its run . You know worts toe nail fungus and sports and politics and=20 > that is not entertaining at all. Jim Smith In a dieing AM BAND AREA > How much "DYING AM BAND AREA"? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Feb 17 12:34:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85190 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 20:34:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 20:34:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.48) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 20:34:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 20:34:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2009 20:34:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:34:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.57.250.20 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=IeRgF1akcvfsstsGIZbTjDbMNxHZ2H4-AD_-6245eW-WQfmAyYoVuB6NI8hMgozQ5VouOHUz X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@"=20 > wrote: > > > > Hi Juan I could not agree more talk radio i think is at its end=20 of=20 > > its run . You know worts toe nail fungus and sports and politics=20 and=20 > > that is not entertaining at all. Jim Smith In a dieing AM BAND=20 AREA > > >=20 > How much "DYING AM BAND AREA"? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love Hi Juan Yes to me its dying. For the most part i hear info comerals=20 two spaorts a bunch of talk statoins i hear at night 8 stations with=20 Goerge Nory 1 local 7 sky wave.I have one 5kw station that plays=20 music on the week ends and one full time music staion 7 days a week=20 its like a breath of fresh air on the band.To me music is more=20 entertaining than talk boring radio. Jim Smith In a dying AM BAND=20 radio area. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Tue Feb 17 16:06:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73720 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 00:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 00:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 00:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 00:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 00:06:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:06:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: OT: AM DRM testings vs AM CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=UiybZ4pHWAjzQPFOnSSEGUvV575qfRvPVYxHF4iskhYu X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq The only thing I can tell you I tried was to was to FM the carrier of=20 my 75 meter AM transmitter with a WinDRM signal. I was able to decode=20 the WinDRM signal using the receiver of my ICOM IC 745 in the FM mode.=20 Does that qualify as being the first IBOC sort of signal on the Ham=20 band? It's kind of a totally useless emission. The WinDRM stuff sounds=20 far worse than the AM. Jerry WA2FNQ =20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Sillett" >=20 > What about the old HAM radio "Charlie Whisky" (CW) morse code? Can=20 > we put a subsonic carrier (let's say 20 HZ), into the main audio=20 > channel, and put it ON, with each "1" bit, and OFF, with each "0"=20 > bit? Is it possible to do without to disturb the rest of the normal=20 > analog audio? >=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 17 16:28:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64359 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 00:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 00:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 00:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.104] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090217182816002798200016.0) with SMTP id <20090217182816002798200016> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:28:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001b01c99160$986ae500$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:28:16 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: AM DRM testings vs AM CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bho2e7szKGRBzmrC1f-JH-nwYhu-Oy0tf55to8K5uXNd3HExdoDU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting data, Bob, but we're still comparing apples to oranges at this point since MW broadcasts are hybrid analog/digital. I'm not sure what a pure HD only signal would take bandwidth-wise. I'm partial to DRM for its open architecture. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Sillett To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The 17.2 kbps rate is tweaked to fit in the 5 kHz spacing of shortwave. Certainly there would be more room to play with on AM/MW to 9 or 10 kHz. But even if the rate doubles to 40 kbps or even 50 kbps, it's still a quite low bitrate. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 17 16:43:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35313 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 00:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 00:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 00:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.104] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090217184258001787500010.0) with SMTP id <20090217184258001787500010> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:42:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b201c99162$a50bb440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8CB5F35B6146245-1328-5FD@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:42:58 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The down fall of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=gbFv2U9RZqWofauQfgShD20A0oATYRP1chPA7qTeUgWV26IOK8r_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was narrowed to 30kHz sometime in the 60s, IIRC. This market has stations on 980 and 950. They're limited in protecting the other's 25mV/m contours. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I THINK within the same urban area, stations are keeps seperated by at least 40 kilohertz. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 17 16:46:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3761 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 00:46:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 00:46:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 00:46:10 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.104] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090217184543000055700017.0) with SMTP id <20090217184543000055700017> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:45:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00bd01c99163$075d13a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <6BE568CF-6FFD-4CE4-9D7A-BA3ABDD6326D@gmail.com> <8CB5F37D5F7A75B-1328-739@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:45:43 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ampliphase Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=47XA4i107HCHu4A5UG6o-UOappePcrbmpMAVhi_JiaOCkUHiisIe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FORGET that 5kW Amplifuzz. It will NOT do AM stereo very well. I worked with a guy back when I was at Northwestern College Radio and he had been the CE at KFGO in Fargo. They had one and he said he never could get it to do decent stereo. Now the RCA 50kW rigs were another matter. He told me it had something to do with the differences in the feedback schemes. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Nothing does AM Stereo better than an Ampliphase unless it was specifically designed for AMS. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 17 16:53:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94475 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 00:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 00:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 00:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.104] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090217185254003026500011.0) with SMTP id <20090217185254003026500011> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:52:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00ed01c99164$07f629e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:52:54 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The down fall of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=PMHsCY-7-jSsO7oCGWtC-2CjnBIT7zFB_VlUD1fAPhfTvJyEFUFj X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually there are a few of those here in the US as well. It's never a good thing to do but is possible with directional antennas that have a deep null towards the other station. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I hope FCC be more smart than my local authorities, who has two AM stations at 10 KHZ of carrier separation and just 50 kms (31 miles) distance each other, --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 17 17:17:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89131 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 01:17:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 01:17:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 01:17:09 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.104] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090217191642002420300010.0) with SMTP id <20090217191642002420300010> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:16:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00fb01c99167$5bb64260$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:16:42 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=av8NtSwuoQxvwjnYQpBnoGsfnDRX8XgFBDWQ-Ym13H5zM6P9XHuu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you're right but not many of your reasons are valid. Taking your points in order: 1) Even a large group of independent owners is not likely to have the same amount of cash to donate to the cause that even a few of the large mega groups would have. If they haven't been able to roll back this extortion then it's unlikely a lot of new owners would either. 2) Same problem as above. One thing I WOULD like to see is a return of anti-trafficking rules. IOW, once you bought a station it was yours for the next three years. Radio is a business, but it's a bit different from most others in that if you really can't squeeze every last cent out of it and still produce something worth listening to. 3) I and an AM stereo broadcaster, Larry Langford, owner of WGTO in Cassopolis, MI had drafted a petition to the FCC back in 2000 asking for receiver parity so that any radio with AM and FM would have to be similarly equipped on both bands- ie, if it had FM stereo it needed to have AM stereo. If the FM audio was good to 10kHz, then the AM would be too or within the limits of the NRSC curve if the FM audio was >10kHz. That petition got me in Radio World as well as a short interview on the VOA! Unfortunately it went nowhere. 4 and 5) If #1 isn't taken care of there'll be less music even on FM. Already there are increasing numbers of talk and sports FM stations. And remember what Mike said about top-40 radio: it was a very expensive format. Now that people have more entertainment options there may not be the cash flow to bring it back. On a positive note, there are seminars such as Radio Ink's "Convergence" which they arrange to help radio station managers capitalize on the new media and integrate it with radio rather than treating it totally like competition. It's just that more managers need to attend things like that. I know the stations I work for generate a good percentage of their incomes off of public events like marriage seminars, clean comedy nights, etc. 6) I wouldn't mind lowering the cap on the number of stations any group can own, though current groups above the new limits would have to be grandfathered. Over all, as much as it's nice to daydream, let's concentrate on what's possible lest we get too distracted. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com My humble opinion about this issue is (if somebody wants to know it)... WE NEED NEW RADIO OWNERS TO SAVE TODAY RADIO STATIONS!!! Why? 1) We need radio owners who must be capable to join theirselves and fight against the music maffia. 2) The same thing to fight against some stupid FCC rules (I'm a chilean man, not USA ctizen, but my local government always follows FCC rules so... it is important to me). 3) The same thing to fight with the manufacters and get a new generation of AM tuners, with a full 10 KHZ audio response, full stereo capabilities, some DPS (to get less noise, etc.) and AT REASONABLE PRICES, of course. 4) We need music come back to the radio, BUT NOT A SIMPLE WINAMP PLAYLIST!!! We don't need a "programmed record player on the air". We need a constant interaction between the listener and the radio station. 5) We need less advertising, less news, less talks and less sports on the air. 6) We need more local stations (not national networks). --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Feb 17 17:24:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10814 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 01:24:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 01:24:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 01:24:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 01:24:28 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 01:24:28 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:24:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ed01c99164$07f629e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.240.134.22 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: The down fall of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=wgo63MsaB48btlayHI-IrRCsr-aXIFSRCbCfbTVNkOcrRmMosoUF X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 From where I grew up... 590 Boston (originally WEEI) 580 WTAG Worcester, Massachusetts 43 miles apart by rail Both are 5,000 watt "regional" channels. Bob at WSTJ... but, born within eyesight of WTAG's towers once=20 things got a bit clearer and learned what radio towers were. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Actually there are a few of those here in the US as well. It's=20 never a good thing to do but is possible with directional antennas=20 that have a deep null towards the other station. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jotape1960=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > I hope FCC be more smart than my local authorities, who has two=20 AM=20 > stations at 10 KHZ of carrier separation and just 50 kms (31=20 miles)=20 > distance each other,=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Feb 17 18:42:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82342 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 02:42:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 02:42:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 02:42:36 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so750520qwi.29 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:42:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.54.138 with SMTP id q10mr11446330qag.222.1234924956321; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:42:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.36.28.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.36.28.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.36.28]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm10138036ywg.44.2009.02.17.18.42.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:42:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <063F8F36-1397-4CF8-84AE-D30E33B986FC@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB5F37D5F7A75B-1328-739@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:37:33 -0500 References: <6BE568CF-6FFD-4CE4-9D7A-BA3ABDD6326D@gmail.com> <8CB5F37D5F7A75B-1328-739@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ampliphase Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=07Z1Lq7TnzvpjFuU-F4nxl-7nO-9sZIaglFUTwGl1Gr_GrzG-cPTYaFnn83NLg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:56 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Nothing does AM Stereo better than an Ampliphase You mean Nothing does AM Stereo WORSE than a 5KW Ampliphase! Trying to make one of those things pass C-QUAM without distorting it all to Hell is maddening enough to drive a Preacher to drinking. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Feb 17 19:39:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89748 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 03:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 03:39:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f20.google.com) (209.85.221.20) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 03:39:49 -0000 X-Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so5467479qyk.6 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:39:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.61.14 with SMTP id r14mr11522059qah.247.1234928389473; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:39:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.37.96.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.37.96.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm11165602yxm.15.2009.02.17.19.39.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:39:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB5F37D5F7A75B-1328-739@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:39:43 -0500 References: <6BE568CF-6FFD-4CE4-9D7A-BA3ABDD6326D@gmail.com> <8CB5F37D5F7A75B-1328-739@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ampliphase Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=h8JTpSa0iVTF3pdWLH-LHEILiG76uA7TNi8TcjLLNXAr59fCVnjzkwTGyIs9RQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:56 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I know someone who is looked to part with a 5kW Ampliphase > transmitter. That would make for a KICK-ASS Rig for the 75 Meter AM Window on 3885! 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Feb 17 19:43:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19049 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 03:43:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 03:43:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f20.google.com) (209.85.221.20) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 03:43:50 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qy0-f20.google.com with SMTP id 13so3283402qyk.18 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:43:50 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.60.147 with SMTP id p19mr8725618qah.14.1234928630261; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:43:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.37.96.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.37.96.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm6418254yxq.53.2009.02.17.19.43.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:43:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1FBFD1CF-9572-49C2-89F8-E86D171057C0@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CB5F33A314BE1F-1328-4D3@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:43:43 -0500 References: <8CB5F33A314BE1F-1328-4D3@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=t8hro7cxVnWWY38AOqjzM3GzyqUpGNzgn4gyjCJDkAGgJPq2Cd3vZT-pN1QIsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:26 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > weighs a ton and didn't sound as good as a $20 condenser mic from > Radio Shack. Something was wrong with that 44. The one at WFIS was very crisp and produced sharp highs and presence while delivering FAT Bottomed Bass. It was the best Mic I have ever used. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 05:47:28 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67694 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 13:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 13:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n54d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.79) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 13:47:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1234964843; bh=M/V8UFDvg6sU5N0Q5cDbFLPTbNdNY87Y+8cS70bfFpQ=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=lLKK5zw0q4odFT1/KVdU7atTX1VaH5T+pxxCBHu4Jx6IjeXmLW7vHPmCy7gYhdz6CnIQ7boYS73cbB9DPLy1CwU5olpuDEwpDYcd55LTzu5OQcHkGmwmeoGfoW17UNte Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n54.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 13:47:23 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 13:47:23 -0000 X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70662 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 23:33:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 23:33:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 23:33:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66436 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2009 23:33:55 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2Y6bi9oVM1mlu292SD3flRA9ibe_ibyxAuOie.K3864g.Of0C4XqOqsakO4JpWqeuSuBRE69c.kzw7LM0Q7WOxBoPtcnn5g8N90Mq8XCCkgV8pWNugFaUeD7VtWoFSMcUq_Z_TSv0eMob5QZujvXvXJwjMitFBK8HAk6EKxN45nEDW_fuveUGfKfz3alfSo2u9v.twwg3Hr70omMNFP6wOdYm4w- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:33:54 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:33:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <274487.64904.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA ribbon microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=IMYu9Wwf_ywAITNmpEudkZQAO4Qbv3XXzsD_SjWvSD9bOA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Feb 2009 13:47:22 -0000 Didn't the 77's have TWO elements, one ribbon and one dynamic, to afford ch= angeable directional patterns? Or am I thinking of a different model? G=20 --- On Tue, 2/17/09, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: {AMSF} RCA ribbon microphones > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 1:26 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > The 44 and 77 series are ribbon microphones, and yes have a > cardiod pattern, and no you can't change them. If you > need to transport the microphone, be sure to cover it up so > NO wind at all can damage the ribbon. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 >=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 05:47:28 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 71035 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 13:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 13:47:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.246) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 13:47:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1234964848; bh=CzW+/4FRJHr2k1SrfCOyqIrc1rgxjhIXGHw4OuppcTw=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=FN7yCB2+mshVR9HQt9fs4ZfLqTD36qsrGO5naIeLw7Kx5GZ3j4vcw73JCKKwKjj1wdJxUw6t7MFUutSCbG6JTs5yClfETrsicFuGRoqAtkFmtA1Bo5ZLiS9P0dbP+Qkt Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n28.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 13:47:28 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 13:47:28 -0000 X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78080 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2009 23:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2009 23:40:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2009 23:40:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6604 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Feb 2009 23:40:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: E2KzZP4VM1lq2N38qdXmic4kvj4oHU.ilYOjiajrLuRW0JZ.7qqZpy0vGCjWrZpV7_W_uQihWMeMsSz_CP48fyAteDsG3P3UyDK2fw2wi.3401YZuuIN4MUP5EtWzV0tT37Wi.xiPV7YecSzzb1iVeIm0xZaUWJs8lnjVVp3BgYHcZcE3GuwcLHJGWKoVcfj.vFKlYVq6e17exBvEvskIruL9OrcOEuCuE_xcZuNzDJW6Fs- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:40:41 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:40:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <84317.3362.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=2QO-PgFV6Zy5d8Ivau-x64pWoPitJSp0WLtFI0BJxUjLEw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 18 Feb 2009 13:47:28 -0000 Yes, Top 40 probably wouldn't sound right with what today is called "music"= . Seems most young people I talk to think it is a cardinal sin for the DJ = (if there even is one) to talk over the intro. Remember when records had t= he intro time on the label? Remember the big black-dialed darkroom timers = that you would set to that time, and they would start counting down when yo= u started the turntable? (we called them "shut-up clocks") Oh, I am so OLD... Top 40 is a dying cra= ft, like lapping tape heads and replacing tubes in the board. George=20=20=20 --- On Tue, 2/17/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:18 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > HI Gang Here's a subject I want to talk about. Every > one says that TOP 40 worked very well. Then how come no one > wants to broadcast that any more? >=20 > Like the dinosaur, it was awesome in its time, but that > time may have come and gone.? Radio dramas were highly > successful in the 30s and 40s, but had become nearly extinct > by the time Top 40 came around to replace them. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Successful Top 40 was really a science.? It wasn't just > the music played.? It was an artful combination of a precise > rotation, strong on-air personalities, jingle packages, > news, and promotion.? It wasn't a lone DJ?spinning > records at a board.? The program directors who mastered this > art are now retired, few, and far between.? This format was > expensive and few stations today?have the ad revenue to > support it.? Even?modest middle-market stations like KFRC > (5kW San Francisco), KXOK (5kW St. Louis), and?WHB (10kW > Kansas City) were BIG?broadcast operations by today's > standards.?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Why radio dramas were successful was because they fit the > medium at the time.? Why Top 40 was successful was because > it fit the medium at the time.? Why Talk Radio has been > successful is because it fits the medium at the time.? See a > pattern? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Talk Radio has two principal strengths.? It's cheap and > has a avid, though limited, following.? Successful Top 40 > was just the opposite.? It was expensive and commanded a > wide demographic. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 06:48:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6265 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 14:48:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 14:48:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 14:48:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 14:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 14:48:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:48:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1FBFD1CF-9572-49C2-89F8-E86D171057C0@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.171 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Q03lSy3e1gXQVVB_oovXGPEkydAmuSsUi0Mig8LjVz7OAkAOaA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > >=20 > On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:26 AM, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > weighs a ton and didn't sound as good as a $20 condenser mic=20 from=20=20 > > Radio Shack. >=20 > Something was wrong with that 44. The one at WFIS was very crisp=20 and=20=20 > produced sharp highs and presence while delivering FAT Bottomed=20 Bass.=20=20 > It was the best Mic I have ever used. >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 Not the best mike in the history but a very good, nice, natural=20 sound. I mean, some people thinks if something has a lot of bass and=20 treble, it is so good. BUT WE DON'T HEAR THAT WAY!!! Our "mikes"=20 (ears) don't have a flat response and don't have a very heavy bass=20 and/or treble equalizer. Even so, a lot of bass or treble become a=20 very disturb thing with a few minutes (typical over processed radio=20 sound). The RCA 44-B has a very natural performance, low self noise and I=20 don't catch any distortion on its sound. The only problem I found is... it "catches" too much!!!,=20 hahahahaha!!! Yes! we can feel a lot of background noise from the=20 studio and/or house (TV, electrodomestics, children, etc.) I guess=20 it can hear 30 DBS more than a typical unidirectional mike. I don't know if we could cover some part of the mike body to get=20 less sound. I'll try it. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 06:51:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20252 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 14:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 14:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 14:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 14:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 14:51:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:51:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <274487.64904.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.171 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA ribbon microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=2p3tTc4VQKpqW2bdTQDHPUOZsvfWb5sfzX0OsvHRhpkBk1cHsA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell =20 wrote: > > Didn't the 77's have TWO elements, one ribbon and one dynamic, to=20 afford changeable directional patterns? Or am I thinking of a=20 different model? > G=20 >=20 Unfortunately, not. It has just the ribbon between the magnets. So it=20 hears from its front and its back equally. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 07:03:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33669 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 15:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 15:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 15:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 15:03:36 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 15:03:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:03:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.171 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A Philips rarity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=okprLrZEOpJswaICXQheqH4zS6l3AFlLNec1aFR4CnP-twq0Xw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody knows one of the last Philips rarities: the=20 audio micro home theater MCD908. It has a vacuum tubes preamplifier!!! Yes, it is. It looks like the old 6AU6. The new are called "Hi Fi Tubes". You can see it at http://www.philips.com then "Consumer products"=20 then "Sound and Vision" then "Audio Products". Some idea about it? What about the life of the tubes? Is there=20 enough tubes to replace it? Who prefers vacuum tubes today? And Why? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 18 13:50:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50591 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 21:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 21:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 21:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c5f.4e4a1bd2 (37048) for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:50:03 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB036-5c46499c827938d; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:49:51 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA03 (webmail-ma03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.67]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA014-5c46499c827938d; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:49:45 -0500 References: <6BE568CF-6FFD-4CE4-9D7A-BA3ABDD6326D@gmail.com> <8CB5F37D5F7A75B-1328-739@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:49:45 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:49:45 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB6029F0A52E03-14C4-D9@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ampliphase Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6VkrqHzD-3Z2F72IQFAJtnBI8NxKu1-LnKl5B0Is6c_XvgMWl0RU2nH7OdztMQiy X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would make for a KICK-ASS Rig for the 75 Meter AM Window on 3885! Although RCA attempted a few HF Ampliphase transmitters, none were successful and have since been coverted to regular high level plate modulation.? The problem with Ampliphase transmitters in general, and HF units in specific, were the exciters.? The power sections of these transmitters were rock solid RCA reliable.? The technology was not around back then that was up to the job.? Even today, it takes ECL-plus to achieve the speed necessary to digitally synthesize extended band AM with reasonable fidelity.? However, for amatuer radio service, 12-bit audio isn't necessary, so it might be possible to do?75m with 8-bit audio. However, if you start dumping 5 large on 75m, it won't take long before you receive acknowledgement for your efforts from the Feds, especially when they see a 3-phase line transformer hanging on the utility pole feeding your shack. Many Ampliphase transmitters have found homes overseas. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 18 13:52:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60108 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 21:52:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 21:52:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 21:52:53 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d03.5067a136 (34931) for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:52:43 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA044-5c45499c7bab313; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:21:00 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA03 (webmail-ma03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.67]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA013-5c45499c7bab313; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:20:43 -0500 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:20:43 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:20:43 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB6025E3F6A24E-928-18C7@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Philips rarity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=9_YrWBoWaeH_WH7Lbd-AygnW46e0jK5KBnY4HMA0S4TyDNNDVQWwiWt2_mTUuUw0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some idea about it? What about the life of the tubes? Is there enough tubes to replace it? Who prefers vacuum tubes today? And Why? I like to experiment with vacuum tubes as a hobby.? I was on the cusp of vacuum tube obsolesence when I was in engineering school.? So academically, I know alittle about them and experientially a good deal.? I perfer vacuum tubes as a hobby because it isn't like the professional work I do. Tubes last a long time.? The 1941 Zenith 10A1 Console Radio I have still has the same bottles it had went it went out the factory door in Chicago in 1941.? Except for rare tubes, there are still lots of NOS tubes around as well as those of new manufacturer, typically from the old Eastern Bloc countries and China. There is a Yahoo Group for tube enthusiast called "Fun with Tubes".? You would be most welcome. No, my AMS transmitter does use tubes, but rather Emitter Coupled Logic.? However, it can drive tubes, very large ones in fact. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 18 14:07:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76545 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 22:07:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 22:07:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 22:06:55 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cc6.480faf0f (37534) for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:06:15 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.152]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB017-5bc7499c864b2a6; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:06:11 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA03 (webmail-ma03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.67]) by smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB016-5bc7499c864b2a6; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:06:04 -0500 References: <6BE568CF-6FFD-4CE4-9D7A-BA3ABDD6326D@gmail.com> <8CB5F37D5F7A75B-1328-739@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> <063F8F36-1397-4CF8-84AE-D30E33B986FC@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:06:03 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <063F8F36-1397-4CF8-84AE-D30E33B986FC@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:06:03 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB602C392B57F7-14C4-1F3@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ampliphase Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=dCbUp96DZTh8PRprWpNTer0qjOEZeqMjqTnrvN1bO8Qt_gsfA9qhRS1zApezAQgE X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Australia used Ampliphase transmitters as test beds for AM Stereo.? There is no transmitter of that generation that has the frequency and phase flatness of an Ampie. The problem which plagued Ampliphase transmitters was keeping them in proper adjustment.? Outside of the flagship stations that used them, few smaller stations even knew what that was, let alone on how to achieve it.? Ironically, the 5kW Ampliphase had more problems than the more common 50kW units.? There was no mistaking the unique sound of an out of adjustment Ampliphase transmitter. There was another station's transmitter and antenna array just down the road from the one where I worked.? They used a 50kW Ampliphase which still had the vacuum tube exciter.? Many a night I would see cars parked outside their transmitter building.?? I worried about the guy who maintained the old Ampliphase because the time or two I met him, he was on the verge of bare-handing the final plate mains or doing a swandive off one of their towers. There was a station in Kalamazoo, Michigan?that had a 5kW Ampliphase in the late 60s?with?the solid state exciter who was very happy with it.? It was near the bottom of the AM band which might explain the difference.? Claim it could meet FM proof any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Mike -----Original Message----- From: KJ4HYD To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 8:37 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ampliphase Transmitter On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:56 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Nothing does AM Stereo better than an Ampliphase You mean Nothing does AM Stereo WORSE than a 5KW Ampliphase! Trying to make one of those things pass C-QUAM without distorting it all to Hell is maddening enough to drive a Preacher to drinking. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 18 14:10:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3887 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 22:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 22:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 22:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bda.3f1a5215 (34929) for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:10:04 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA042-5c6b499c873533e; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:10:01 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA03 (webmail-ma03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.67]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB031-5c6b499c873533e; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:09:58 -0500 References: <00ed01c99164$07f629e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:09:57 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <00ed01c99164$07f629e0$d503fea9@stodd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:09:57 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB602CC5144770-14C4-232@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The down fall of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=xxGU-kUijQtw8WJbWN2oRUOpFo3NAojFyCt1bGnJ_-n_JhfG9_ABgHbp4GyUdiwk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually there are a few of those here in the US as well. It's never a good thing to do but is possible with directional antennas that have a deep null towards the other station. The problem with deep nulls is the deep null is at the carrier frequency and not necessary across the station's full operating spectrum.? This is particularly true near the bottom of the AM band. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 18 14:11:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15848 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 22:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 22:11:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 22:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bc8.49d7c438 (37057) for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:10:36 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.154]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB043-5c42499c7eb05; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:33:48 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA03 (webmail-ma03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.67]) by smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB038-5c42499c7eb05; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:33:38 -0500 References: <84317.3362.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:33:36 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <84317.3362.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:33:36 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB6027B0EE698D-928-19C4@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vEaBMYA3IIpI6ZHy5pmlwvdUSdwua8rJvO4zZyW_4i9AZyeIuDOWe2szFSqVVwMA X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remember the big black-dialed darkroom timers that you would set to that time, and they would start counting down when you started the turntable? I used a pair of pair of stopwatches.? In fact, on an old aircheck you can hear the clicks.? I was so good at walking up intros,. the next DJ had to wipe the footprints off the carts in the rotation.? The best was "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" by Diana Ross.? As you mentioned, sadly, "dead-segs" are now the normal. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 18 14:29:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61557 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 22:29:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 22:29:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 22:29:10 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d3a.3932baa8 (37529) for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:28:57 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.153]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB012-5c36499c7fa820d; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:37:50 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA03 (webmail-ma03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.67]) by smtprly-db02.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB024-5c36499c7fa820d; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:37:44 -0500 References: <8CB5F33A314BE1F-1328-4D3@MBLK-M08.sysops.aol.com> <1FBFD1CF-9572-49C2-89F8-E86D171057C0@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:37:44 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <1FBFD1CF-9572-49C2-89F8-E86D171057C0@gmail.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:37:44 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB60284494916F-928-1A11@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Vintage microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5Xu_FGeaYgSb0nlUSazHrtBowsecU7IqHW7uwhl0MdGanaPihFG45_T7pwA934ez X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Something was wrong with that 44. Perhaps that was why it was in the junk box.? A tremendous prop, which was why it was retained.? I think it was donated from some radio station to begin with. Mike -----Original Message----- From: KJ4HYD To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 9:43 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Vintage microphones On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:26 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > weighs a ton and didn't sound as good as a $20 condenser mic from > Radio Shack. Something was wrong with that 44. The one at WFIS was very crisp and produced sharp highs and presence while delivering FAT Bottomed Bass. It was the best Mic I have ever used. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 18 15:02:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7327 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 23:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 23:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 23:02:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bb9.400b5035 (37139) for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:02:13 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA031-5c54499c936c155; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:02:15 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA03 (webmail-ma03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.67]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA032-5c54499c936c155; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:02:04 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:02:04 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:02:04 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB60340CA11483-14C4-580@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fhWTfjx8wNuD5Tg2pTyZybH0IZpOe8hjiEra56TgxNvHdunbhP9TM15lOgdR3DBU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just as an exercise, read what was predicted about AM radio in the late 194= 0s.=C2=A0 The predominated AM entertainment had been variety and game shows= as well as live music and radio drama at the time.=C2=A0 The new TV medium= was far better suited for this type of entertainment than radio and thus e= veryone predicted the downfall of radio, which meant AM, back then. What was necessary was for radio to reinvent itself.=C2=A0 That's what Todd= Storz did so successfully with Top 40.=C2=A0 He didn't try to produce bett= er game shows or radio dramas to compete with television.=C2=A0 He invented= a new format where radio had the advantage over television.=C2=A0 That's w= hat we need today. Talk Radio, like Reality TV, has once principal advantage.=C2=A0 It is chea= p to produce.=C2=A0 It's the Walmart of Radio.=C2=A0 Bottom of barrel, lowe= st common denominator, swill.=C2=A0 It relies on senationalism, distortions= , and outright untruths to command interest in the same way supermarket tab= loids do.=C2=A0 Where do you think the National Inquirer would be if it ado= pted journalism standards?=C2=A0 Where do you think Rush, Hannity, and Comp= any would be if they started having informed thoughtful discussions?=C2=A0 = They would turn into NPR and have to have membership funding drives.=C2=A0 = It's not a conservative or liberal issue.=C2=A0 William F. Buckley, Jr. fou= nded the modern conservative movement, and if he still were around, couldn'= t draw dick for a radio audience.=C2=A0 It would be like comparing a sympos= ium on genetics and a freak show.=C2=A0 T he freak show will always attract the larger audience. I think the future of AM radio lies in upgrading the medium.=C2=A0 This mea= ns upgrading standards.=C2=A0 That is necessary to give manufacturers the a= ssurance they need to build better radios which in turn will give stations = the assurance they need=C2=A0there will an audience equipt to take advantag= e of their improved signal.=C2=A0 With today's level of integration, adding= CQUAM capability to an AM-FM stereo=C2=A0radio is a minimal cost.=C2=A0 Th= e reason manufacturers don't add it is because there are practically no AMS= stations left making it pointless expense, low as that cost might be.=C2= =A0 It's like adding 500 to 520 kilohertz capability.=C2=A0 It wouldn't cos= t hardly anything, but what would it be used for if there aren't any statio= ns? I believe new AM standards would be stimulative and produce new well paying= jobs.=C2=A0 We need to rebuild our AM infrastructure. Call me naive and a dreamer, but I am like Kevin Costner making a baseball = diamond in his cornfield.=C2=A0 If you built a state of the art AM infrastr= ucture of stations, the radios will be produced, and the programming will c= ome.=C2=A0 So maybe some visionary in Iowa puts up an AM Stereo stick in hi= s cornfield instead of baseball field.=C2=A0 Like KCJJ! Mike -----Original Message----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 2:34 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@"=20 > wrote: > > > > Hi Juan I could not agree more talk radio i think is at its end=20 of=20 > > its run . You know worts toe nail fungus and sports and politics=20 and=20 > > that is not entertaining at all. Jim Smith In a dieing AM BAND=20 AREA > > >=20 > How much "DYING AM BAND AREA"? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love Hi Juan Yes to me its dying. For the most part i hear info comerals=20 two spaorts a bunch of talk statoins i hear at night 8 stations with=20 Goerge Nory 1 local 7 sky wave.I have one 5kw station that plays=20 music on the week ends and one full time music staion 7 days a week=20 its like a breath of fresh air on the band.To me music is more=20 entertaining than talk boring radio. Jim Smith In a dying AM BAND=20 radio area. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 15:26:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51576 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2009 23:26:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2009 23:26:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2009 23:26:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 23:26:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2009 23:26:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:26:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CB60340CA11483-14C4-580@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.131 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=frqCGCiEK5G5mkWGEk9uok3Mar9w2teOsALHTBhC4vdr1qXSHA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I really think radio has a very good future, if we could=20 change "some things", of course. I have 3 examples of the today (and always) need of a very good=20 sound station (AM/SW/FM) with a very good music programming: 1) Two lovers in their favourite love site (an out of the city=20 motel). Love needs music, man!!! I can't figure out those lovers=20 kiss and embrance each other while they are listening the last=20 political discussion. No, bros!!! They need music, love music,=20 beautiful music!!! 2) Some ill person. Music helps to the human health. I don't know if=20 somebody could to cure with the typical "infomercial" junk: "Buy=20 now, Try now, Call me now..." 3) An student. Music helps to the human intelect. Listening a=20 football game? ??? Just crazy ideas from a crazy man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Just as an exercise, read what was predicted about AM radio in the=20 late 1940s.=C2=A0 The predominated AM entertainment had been variety and=20 game shows as well as live music and radio drama at the time.=C2=A0 The=20 new TV medium was far better suited for this type of entertainment=20 than radio and thus everyone predicted the downfall of radio, which=20 meant AM, back then. >=20 > What was necessary was for radio to reinvent itself.=C2=A0 That's what=20 Todd Storz did so successfully with Top 40.=C2=A0 He didn't try to=20 produce better game shows or radio dramas to compete with=20 television.=C2=A0 He invented a new format where radio had the advantage=20 over television.=C2=A0 That's what we need today. >=20 > Talk Radio, like Reality TV, has once principal advantage.=C2=A0 It is=20 cheap to produce.=C2=A0 It's the Walmart of Radio.=C2=A0 Bottom of barrel,= =20 lowest common denominator, swill.=C2=A0 It relies on senationalism,=20 distortions, and outright untruths to command interest in the same=20 way supermarket tabloids do.=C2=A0 Where do you think the National=20 Inquirer would be if it adopted journalism standards?=C2=A0 Where do you=20 think Rush, Hannity, and Company would be if they started having=20 informed thoughtful discussions?=C2=A0 They would turn into NPR and have=20 to have membership funding drives.=C2=A0 It's not a conservative or=20 liberal issue.=C2=A0 William F. Buckley, Jr. founded the modern=20 conservative movement, and if he still were around, couldn't draw=20 dick for a radio audience.=C2=A0 It would be like comparing a symposium=20 on genetics and a freak show.=C2=A0 T > he freak show will always attract the larger audience. >=20 > I think the future of AM radio lies in upgrading the medium.=C2=A0=20 This means upgrading standards.=C2=A0 That is necessary to give=20 manufacturers the assurance they need to build better radios which=20 in turn will give stations the assurance they need=C2=A0there will an=20 audience equipt to take advantage of their improved signal.=C2=A0 With=20 today's level of integration, adding CQUAM capability to an AM-FM=20 stereo=C2=A0radio is a minimal cost.=C2=A0 The reason manufacturers don't=20 add it is because there are practically no AMS stations left making=20 it pointless expense, low as that cost might be.=C2=A0 It's like adding=20 500 to 520 kilohertz capability.=C2=A0 It wouldn't cost hardly anything,=20 but what would it be used for if there aren't any stations? >=20 > I believe new AM standards would be stimulative and produce new=20 well paying jobs.=C2=A0 We need to rebuild our AM infrastructure. >=20 > Call me naive and a dreamer, but I am like Kevin Costner making a=20 baseball diamond in his cornfield.=C2=A0 If you built a state of the art=20 AM infrastructure of stations, the radios will be produced, and the=20 programming will come.=C2=A0 So maybe some visionary in Iowa puts up an=20 AM Stereo stick in his cornfield instead of baseball field.=C2=A0 Like=20 KCJJ! >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: jimsmith95650@... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 2:34 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > , "jotape1960" =20 > wrote: > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@"=20 > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Juan I could not agree more talk radio i think is at its=20 end=20 > of=20 > > > its run . You know worts toe nail fungus and sports and=20 politics=20 > and=20 > > > that is not entertaining at all. Jim Smith In a dieing AM BAND=20 > AREA > > > > >=20 > > How much "DYING AM BAND AREA"? > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Juan Yes to me its dying. For the most part i hear info=20 comerals=20 > two spaorts a bunch of talk statoins i hear at night 8 stations=20 with=20 > Goerge Nory 1 local 7 sky wave.I have one 5kw station that plays=20 > music on the week ends and one full time music staion 7 days a=20 week=20 > its like a breath of fresh air on the band.To me music is more=20 > entertaining than talk boring radio. Jim Smith In a dying AM BAND=20 > radio area. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From w6yn@juno.com Wed Feb 18 16:04:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 653 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 00:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 00:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 00:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail20.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.160]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE33JRGAYVC5MS for (sender ); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:03:50 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD03hHpFFVArN8z1A+pe/9Ug= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail20.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N9QLJZYL; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:03:11 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.43] by webmail20.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:02:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:02:07 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090218.160207.28886.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:2740410798 X-MAIL-INFO:41832ef7ca639a6ada5bea2e9a6bf32fcbc717 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.160|webmail20.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ampliphase Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=9duUGs0SJddS6Er-tVlnj3_evbCQrqzuX27lLrFWyA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn They don't function very well at a legal under 400 watts. Don -- mjgrant@aol.com wrote: Although RCA attempted a few HF Ampliphase transmitters, none were successf= ul and have since been coverted to regular high level plate modulation.? Th= e problem with Ampliphase transmitters in general, and HF units in specific= , were the exciters.? The power sections of these transmitters were rock so= lid RCA reliable.?=20 The technology was not around back then that was up to the job.? Even today= , it takes ECL-plus to achieve the speed necessary to digitally synthesize = extended band AM with reasonable fidelity.? However, for amatuer radio serv= ice, 12-bit audio isn't necessary, so it might be possible to do?75m with 8= -bit audio. However, if you start dumping 5 large on 75m, it won't take long before you= receive acknowledgement for your efforts from the Feds, especially when th= ey see a 3-phase line transformer hanging on the utility pole feeding your = shack. Many Ampliphase transmitters have found homes overseas. Mike That would make for a KICK-ASS Rig for the 75 Meter AM Window on 3885! From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 18 16:07:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81797 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 00:07:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 00:07:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 00:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.be7.4739130b (37127) for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:04:27 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.154]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA021-5c42499ca200351; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:04:27 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA03 (webmail-ma03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.67]) by smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB038-5c42499ca200351; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:04:17 -0500 References: <866012.55932.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:04:16 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <866012.55932.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:04:16 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB603CBD0362D5-14C4-90F@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The down fall of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=BccTuFarYp2DfOKNiotZ5LPzJSlCJYcOJRbl2vfc6y8GamPiD7zGN-qPQsp66JR1 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't believe the frequency response of AM broadcast equipment is the issue with excessive occupied bandwidth.? If one analyzes program content, there just isn't enough actual material higher than 10 kilohertz at a sufficient level to cause excessive bandwidth if it was faithfully reproduced. What appears out of channel seems to be distortion products, not actual program material.? A clipped 5 kilohertz wave produces 3rd and 5th. harmonics at 15 and 25 khz out from the carrier respectively with 30 and 50 khz bandwidths.? With my dbx experiment, I was surprised at the high frequency content at the end of the complete transmission process.? So I looked at the spectal content of the original source material, where the 10 to 20 khz spectal content was a good 15 to 20 db less than the result at the output of dbx decoder driven by the TU-680.? I have done single tone distortion measurements on my transmitter using a HP 339A.? The distortion on fundamentals up to 12.5 khz is in the order of the residual distortion of the 339A's AM Detector.? The analog input to the transmitter, which I did not use, has a brickwall filter in advance of the A/D converter, not to limit bandwidth, but to prevent aliasing. Why I don't think the a filter will help is because the offensive spectral content is generated after the filter by the transmitter and receiver.? Distortion caused by the receiver is not a problem as far as occupied bandwidth.? The distortion generated by the audio processing equipment and transmitter is.? To prevent overmodulation, the firmware in the ECL Engine Transmitter limits the minimum and maximum amplitude values of the output.? It is a brickwall.? Even just a LSB more produces 0 change in amplitude.? In other words, it clips the modulated waveform.? The output never flatlines, but the RF amplitude remains a constant -34 db (-98% mod)?down from its unmodulated value. It doesn't take much clipping to generate an unacceptable amount of harmonics.? Cleaning up the transmission process from undesired and unnecessary artifacts may be more effective than a filter. Mike ge russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:59 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The down fall of radio Mike, I could be wrong on this, but I believe the NRSC "mask" is now law, isn't it? Something like 30 db down at 10.2 kHz? I know the Inovonics NRSC box I bought was sold for the express purpose of bringing stations into compliance with spectrum occupancy requirements, and even with pre-emph, it started rolling off at 9 kHz., and was down almost 60 db. at 10.2 kHz. Is this still just a suggestion, or requirement? You have me wondering... G --- On Sat, 2/14/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The down fall of radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 10:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There seems to be some confusion between FM > deviation and bandwidth. In the > > U.S., FM Broadcast has a maximum deviation of +/- 75 > khz, not to be confused > > with occupied bandwidth. Occupied bandwidth is a function > of deviation and > > modulating frequency or the modulation index. FM stations > are spaced at 200 khz > > intervals in the U.S.. > > > > The is also a good deal of confusion about the permissible > frequency response > > of an AM station and its occupied bandwidth. An AM station > can have flat > > response all the way out to 20khz. How much high frequency > content there is in > > the program material determines the actual bandwidth. > > > > Mike > > > > ************ ** > > Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near > > you now. (http://yellowpages. > aol.com/search? query=florist& amp; > > ncid=emlcntusyelp00 000002) > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 18 16:18:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2011 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 00:18:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 00:18:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 00:18:27 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c0d.49dbfe21 (37530) for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:17:01 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB013-5c45499c98701c9; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:23:33 -0500 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MA03 (webmail-ma03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.67]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA013-5c45499c98701c9; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:23:28 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:23:28 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 41421-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.67) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:23:28 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB603709DF7B22-14C4-6D5@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=UYucDwU1JEWymgVn8X9WXKyX7PW-lMXsqNU-bRjXMumYnJ_Hoowj6QfRCXQbCRjd X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike I have a feeling that talk radio is neer the end of its run now. I loved KFRC. I listened to it every chance i had over local KROY AM 1240 and others.Jim Smith In a dieing AM BAND area. Like you, I loved KFRC.? Like the tremendous food, it was a special treat I looked forward to on my visits to the Bay Area.? I particularly loved "Dr." Don Rose.? A true talent. If you looked at KFRC in those days, it was an expensive operation.? It's air talent weren't recent grads from a broadcast school which advertised on the back of matchbooks.? The classy seasoned on-air talent was supported by an awesome group of producers, board and transmitter engineers, program directors, production people, news people, etc..? It had standards, and those standards came first.? Every penny spent could be heard by what they chose to send up their tower. That was then, and this now.? Now squeezing every dime out the operation is not just the most important consideration, it's the only consideration.? The only constant is that, too, can be heard by what they chose to send up their tower.? The same is true across the dial. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Feb 18 16:30:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82700 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 00:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 00:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 00:30:40 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail20.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.160]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE33K85ASAH6BJ for (sender ); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:29:15 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD1UiW/GkIZXtA4wmP0x510I= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail20.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N9QM2GQT; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:29:06 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.43] by webmail20.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:28:31 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:28:31 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090218.162831.28886.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:1810373446 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.160|webmail20.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Another Talker Disappears replaced by a Top 40 format X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=1zfZOkFLovH7favla4i2L_7V4iKfVT3AXummqv5hUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn CBS goes CHR in Los Angeles on "Amp 97.1." The talk is gone at KLSX (97.1) and replaced by a Top 40 format that's aime= d at Clear Channel's established KIIS-FM (102.7). CBS L.A. programmer Kevin= Weatherly is the "architect" of the "Amp" format, which is designed to be = for "on-air, online and mobile audio destinations." Amp is integrating mobi= le apps like Twitter, Facebook, MySpace and other social networking resourc= es. The "Amp Radio" concept originated last year as an online and HD-2 chan= nel. Now it takes over at KLSX. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Feb 18 17:07:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94258 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 01:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 01:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f21.google.com) (209.85.221.21) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 01:07:42 -0000 X-Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14so439813qyk.7 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:07:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.36.202 with SMTP id u10mr8539166qad.125.1235005661775; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:07:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.35.209.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.35.209.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm784549ywo.37.2009.02.18.17.07.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:07:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <74613ACD-D815-42D1-B96D-E680C564DC9B@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20090218.162831.28886.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:07:34 -0500 References: <20090218.162831.28886.2@webmail20.dca.untd.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Talker Disappears replaced by a Top 40 format X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=gFckSAG_t6-xDZAmzbHABRXYt8xotXaswuM6v28IANS3nNF7DjEysF1k6sn5Ug X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 18, 2009, at 7:28 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > The "Amp Radio" concept originated last year as an online and HD-2 > channel. Now it takes over at KLSX. I am glad to hear CBS is Using HD-Radio to prove new formats, or old formats such as Top-40. This is a GREAT way to use HD instead of just polluting more bandwidth with the same old mindless garbage. Hopefully we will see HD breed more of the classic formats such as Nostalgia and EZ-Listening for a come back and maybe a new format or two. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 18 19:57:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24622 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 03:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 03:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 03:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 03:57:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 03:57:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 03:57:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.235.172.42 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: WKAR AM 870 AM Stereo at night? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=mN7B0Xovxgr797ei8tU7vQHSM8j7GPz4_OhybOTr4jnfcaIV9sl-YcjgG8VrKDQ05y7c5g X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc =20=20 Can anyone confirm if East Lansing Michigan's WKAR AM 870 is running=20 AM Stereo at night? I have seen the stereo light come on at about 5pm e.s.t. However I'm=20 not sure if this is really coming from them or not. Also on a sad note, it seemed that Grand Rapids, Mi was the AM Stereo=20 capital of Michigan, but WYGR AM 1530, WPRR (formally WDSS) AM 1680 and=20 WGVU AM 1480 have all gone Mono. WGVU AM is also running IBOC 24/7. So=20 GR is left with none broadcasting in AM Stereo. From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Feb 18 20:15:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19911 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 04:15:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 04:15:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 04:15:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 04:15:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 04:15:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:15:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CB603709DF7B22-14C4-6D5@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.105.215 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=WeCYvdVEm8crOh1UyH-zrQSp0CNwMweUTlMOoCIgS5nTzHT4xK9b9fmtHxOR8lF2SpBMuZ5J X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 >=20 > Hi Mike I have a feeling that talk radio is neer the end of its run=20 > now. I loved KFRC. I listened to it every chance i had over local=20 > KROY AM 1240 and others.Jim Smith In a dieing AM BAND area. > Like you, I loved KFRC.? Like the tremendous food, it was a special=20 treat I looked forward to on my visits to the Bay Area.? I=20 particularly loved "Dr." Don Rose.? A true talent. >=20 > If you looked at KFRC in those days, it was an expensive=20 operation.? It's air talent weren't recent grads from a broadcast=20 school which advertised on the back of matchbooks.? The classy=20 seasoned on-air talent was supported by an awesome group of=20 producers, board and transmitter engineers, program directors,=20 production people, news people, etc..? It had standards, and those=20 standards came first.? Every penny spent could be heard by what they=20 chose to send up their tower. >=20 > That was then, and this now.? Now squeezing every dime out the=20 operation is not just the most important consideration, it's the only=20 consideration.? The only constant is that, too, can be heard by what=20 they chose to send up their tower.? The same is true across the dial. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi To me its sad. The hole AM dial sounds the same to me. No verity=20 just TALK TALK TALK. No verity of music formats just network TALK=20 TALK TALK. Its like what Jimmy Jay said to much big corperet money=20 runing to many network stations. Jim Smith=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 05:33:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98836 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 13:33:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 13:33:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 13:33:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60270 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2009 13:33:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uVzPtk0VM1lpvr1nMiuQG.oiO0kXxDkumEd2aiQk0yJh4K164aU7hd229GCinwWUNd9maNhoXrgUB8NfO5BxDV.amfW0_A9wcx5ogvj.MCoXhTVu9T0slGlQ5sz64TxD2OZdJ8LX4Cn.LhD605vf6l0oN9tRLASYIr1FzB4Ezsg9._JKYJ8rLFRYUrYAlIN9N1_F3tlSVUfdWPgu X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 05:33:34 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 05:33:34 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <187672.58885.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: OZ radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=6nIXKzDLRaPfTOxHMVq5ub3ojRQO1ase0Xt6uepZwYDeftgmdEAmN8A X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio To our friends 'Down Under' in Oz, here's a link to a radio for you with DAB, DAB+ and conventional FM, but it might not even have AM, much less C-Quam? http://www.revo.co.uk/ From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Feb 19 05:38:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72024 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 13:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 13:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173007pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 13:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KFB00101F86BUF3@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:38:32 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <93DE78B9F7D24E4B9AE07988B41A4E26@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <8CB60340CA11483-14C4-580@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:38:30 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=gEePJnugc4BMnqXLxo6N1YwtreHFuJz_BxYotXu7f4-Cxw X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Although I don't normally listen to talk radio, I think that Mike's remarks= are right on the mark. The only qualifier that I would add is that any te= chnical changes must be mandated by the FCC if they are to be effective. T= he failure to mandate technical changes is probably the main reason that CQ= uam failed, and will probably be the main reason that IBOC will fail. Dick W. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mjgrant@aol.com=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:02 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! Just as an exercise, read what was predicted about AM radio in the late 1= 940s. The predominated AM entertainment had been variety and game shows as= well as live music and radio drama at the time. The new TV medium was far= better suited for this type of entertainment than radio and thus everyone = predicted the downfall of radio, which meant AM, back then. What was necessary was for radio to reinvent itself. That's what Todd St= orz did so successfully with Top 40. He didn't try to produce better game = shows or radio dramas to compete with television. He invented a new format= where radio had the advantage over television. That's what we need today. Talk Radio, like Reality TV, has once principal advantage. It is cheap t= o produce. It's the Walmart of Radio. Bottom of barrel, lowest common den= ominator, swill. It relies on senationalism, distortions, and outright unt= ruths to command interest in the same way supermarket tabloids do. Where d= o you think the National Inquirer would be if it adopted journalism standar= ds? Where do you think Rush, Hannity, and Company would be if they started= having informed thoughtful discussions? They would turn into NPR and have= to have membership funding drives. It's not a conservative or liberal iss= ue. William F. Buckley, Jr. founded the modern conservative movement, and = if he still were around, couldn't draw dick for a radio audience. It would= be like comparing a symposium on genetics and a freak show. T he freak show will always attract the larger audience. I think the future of AM radio lies in upgrading the medium. This means = upgrading standards. That is necessary to give manufacturers the assurance= they need to build better radios which in turn will give stations the assu= rance they need there will an audience equipt to take advantage of their im= proved signal. With today's level of integration, adding CQUAM capability = to an AM-FM stereo radio is a minimal cost. The reason manufacturers don't= add it is because there are practically no AMS stations left making it poi= ntless expense, low as that cost might be. It's like adding 500 to 520 kil= ohertz capability. It wouldn't cost hardly anything, but what would it be = used for if there aren't any stations? I believe new AM standards would be stimulative and produce new well payi= ng jobs. We need to rebuild our AM infrastructure. Call me naive and a dreamer, but I am like Kevin Costner making a basebal= l diamond in his cornfield. If you built a state of the art AM infrastruct= ure of stations, the radios will be produced, and the programming will come= . So maybe some visionary in Iowa puts up an AM Stereo stick in his cornfi= eld instead of baseball field. Like KCJJ! Mike -----Original Message----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 2:34 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@"=20 > wrote: > > > > Hi Juan I could not agree more talk radio i think is at its end=20 of=20 > > its run . You know worts toe nail fungus and sports and politics=20 and=20 > > that is not entertaining at all. Jim Smith In a dieing AM BAND=20 AREA > > >=20 > How much "DYING AM BAND AREA"? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love Hi Juan Yes to me its dying. For the most part i hear info comerals=20 two spaorts a bunch of talk statoins i hear at night 8 stations with=20 Goerge Nory 1 local 7 sky wave.I have one 5kw station that plays=20 music on the week ends and one full time music staion 7 days a week=20 its like a breath of fresh air on the band.To me music is more=20 entertaining than talk boring radio. Jim Smith In a dying AM BAND=20 radio area. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Feb 19 06:23:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42376 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 14:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 14:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173003pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 14:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KFB009JAHBG4L2N@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:23:41 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <8D90656287BA4CFDA6DC6CF90D240399@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <8CB60340CA11483-14C4-580@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> <93DE78B9F7D24E4B9AE07988B41A4E26@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:23:39 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=PA2-qwrEVnzVfF4tOmFUCOhOfuDuyOKfsqEJfe65qnbBHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit By "mandated" I was referring to receivers. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick W To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:38 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! Although I don't normally listen to talk radio, I think that Mike's remarks are right on the mark. The only qualifier that I would add is that any technical changes must be mandated by the FCC if they are to be effective. The failure to mandate technical changes is probably the main reason that CQuam failed, and will probably be the main reason that IBOC will fail. Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 19 08:13:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18796 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 16:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 16:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 16:13:30 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail06.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.146]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE35BHZA3GEXFJ for (sender ); Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:12:39 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD/1Uegmq/CZF2AHocve7YcU= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail06.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N9SBYGGN; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:11:43 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.43] by webmail06.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:10:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:10:24 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090219.081024.4971.2@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1025178213 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.146|webmail06.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Nova M files for bankruptcy protection X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=SOo3hCvbdvVeb3Mm7uItzS0mKp5JNlamky9mD-1fTw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Lefty radio net Nova M has been losing $100,000 a month, and files for liqu= idation. Principal Anita Drobny says the business stress is what put her husband She= ldon in the hospital with a breakdown. T-R-I reported his hospitalization y= esterday, as part of the Randi Rhodes saga.=20 While today's Wall Street Journal adds what looks like the missing link in = the Randi Rhodes-Nova M breakup story - that Randi believed her Nova M cont= ract would cover some legal costs, but found out it didn't. Anita Drobny is= n't discussing such affairs, but Nova M is filing for bankruptcy protection= . =20 The next new liberal-talk syndicator is On Second Thought Radio Network, wh= ich will take on former Nova M personality Mike Malloy. On Second Thought i= s a project of Dr. Mike Newcomb, who also worked with Nova M at one point.= =20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 09:07:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50887 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 17:07:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 17:07:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 17:07:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 17:07:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 17:07:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:06:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CB603CBD0362D5-14C4-90F@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.2 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The down fall of radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=nVbM628fEXpoHImR-siBvsL308amMPF24oaI8PLJnz0Ju_Ak6w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 You're absolutely right: above 10 KHZ usually there is a lot of=20 distorted armonics from the fundamental musical notes. Remember the highest fundamental musical note is the A8 in the piano=20 keyboard. It has 7040 HZ. The natural musical armonics can reach 20 KHZ and beyond, but we=20 just need only 15 KHZ to "feel" a very High Fidelity sound. However, I bet you only one percent or less of people could feel=20 some difference between a 15 KHZ and a 10 KHZ total audio bandwidth. I remember some test we did when I got my first audio spectrum=20 analyzer with FM tuners. I don't remember any device with something=20 above 12 KHZ. However, all the devices sounded great!!! I guess this=20 situation isn't so different today. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I don't believe the frequency response of AM broadcast equipment=20 is the issue with excessive occupied bandwidth.? If one analyzes=20 program content, there just isn't enough actual material higher than=20 10 kilohertz at a sufficient level to cause excessive bandwidth if=20 it was faithfully reproduced. >=20 > What appears out of channel seems to be distortion products, not=20 actual program material.? A clipped 5 kilohertz wave produces 3rd=20 and 5th. harmonics at 15 and 25 khz out from the carrier=20 respectively with 30 and 50 khz bandwidths.? With my dbx experiment,=20 I was surprised at the high frequency content at the end of the=20 complete transmission process.? So I looked at the spectal content=20 of the original source material, where the 10 to 20 khz spectal=20 content was a good 15 to 20 db less than the result at the output of=20 dbx decoder driven by the TU-680.? I have done single tone=20 distortion measurements on my transmitter using a HP 339A.? The=20 distortion on fundamentals up to 12.5 khz is in the order of the=20 residual distortion of the 339A's AM Detector.? The analog input to=20 the transmitter, which I did not use, has a brickwall filter in=20 advance of the A/D converter, not to limit bandwidth, but to prevent=20 aliasing. >=20 > Why I don't think the a filter will help is because the offensive=20 spectral content is generated after the filter by the transmitter=20 and receiver.? Distortion caused by the receiver is not a problem as=20 far as occupied bandwidth.? The distortion generated by the audio=20 processing equipment and transmitter is.? To prevent overmodulation,=20 the firmware in the ECL Engine Transmitter limits the minimum and=20 maximum amplitude values of the output.? It is a brickwall.? Even=20 just a LSB more produces 0 change in amplitude.? In other words, it=20 clips the modulated waveform.? The output never flatlines, but the=20 RF amplitude remains a constant -34 db (-98% mod)?down from its=20 unmodulated value. >=20 > It doesn't take much clipping to generate an unacceptable amount=20 of harmonics.? Cleaning up the transmission process from undesired=20 and unnecessary artifacts may be more effective than a filter. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ge russell > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:59 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The down fall of radio >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike, I could be wrong on this, but I believe the NRSC "mask" is=20 now law, isn't it? Something like 30 db down at 10.2 kHz? I know the=20 Inovonics NRSC box I bought was sold for the express purpose of=20 bringing stations into compliance with spectrum occupancy=20 requirements, and even with pre-emph, it started rolling off at 9=20 kHz., and was down almost 60 db. at=20 > 10.2 kHz. Is this still just a suggestion, or requirement? > You have me wondering... G=20 >=20 > --- On Sat, 2/14/09, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > From: mjgrant@... > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The down fall of radio > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 10:37 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > There seems to be some confusion between FM > > deviation and bandwidth. In the=20 > >=20 > > U.S., FM Broadcast has a maximum deviation of +/- 75 > > khz, not to be confused=20 > >=20 > > with occupied bandwidth. Occupied bandwidth is a function > > of deviation and=20 > >=20 > > modulating frequency or the modulation index. FM stations > > are spaced at 200 khz=20 > >=20 > > intervals in the U.S.. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > The is also a good deal of confusion about the permissible > > frequency response=20 > >=20 > > of an AM station and its occupied bandwidth. An AM station > > can have flat=20 > >=20 > > response all the way out to 20khz. How much high frequency > > content there is in=20 > >=20 > > the program material determines the actual bandwidth. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ************ ** > >=20 > > Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near=20 > >=20 > > you now. (http://yellowpages. > > aol.com/search? query=3Dflorist& amp; > >=20 > > ncid=3Demlcntusyelp00 000002) > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 19 09:14:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77982 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 17:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 17:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 17:14:05 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE35E34AEQM9AS for (sender ); Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:13:30 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDycn6/NoKVpbPufMYZWMdEs= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N9SFGZAV; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:13:10 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.43] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:12:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:12:34 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090219.091234.698.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:1256207149 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: FCC Denies Meetings With Waxman Staff On 'Fairness' X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=k-EWAw8pCRP9_Ak4LO6Fs6BhM7nfv98aBrEYRHlVrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn FCC, Hill Flatly Deny Meetings With Waxman Staff On 'Fairness' Spectator stands by story that staffs did meet to talk about some variant o= f restoring FCC doctrine By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 2/18/2009 2:01:41 PM MT The FCC has joined a spokesperson for the House Energy & Commerce Committee= in flatly denying that any FCC staffers met with staffers of House Energy = & Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) last week about reviving = the fairness doctrine or something like it. Bringing back the doctrine, which required broadcasters to seek out opposin= g viewpoints on controversial issues of public importance, has become a hot= issue in Washington after various Democrats suggested it could, or should,= return in some form. A reporter blogging under the anonymous "Prowler" moniker for the Spectator= , had reported that "Senior FCC staff working for acting Federal Communicat= ions Commissioner Michael Copps held meetings last week with policy and leg= islative advisers to House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Wax= man to discuss ways the committee can create openings for the FCC to put in= place a form of the "Fairness Doctrine" without actually calling it such." "Those meetings did not happen," FCC spokesman David Fiske told B&C Wednes= day. "FCC staffers did not meet with the Waxman staff. We flatly deny that = [American Spectator] story." A committee spokesperson was equally definitive in an e-mailed statement to= B&C: "The American Spectator printed a fictitious story alleging that Chai= rman Waxman and the House Energy and Commerce Committee were having convers= ations with the FCC about putting in place a form of the Fairness Doctrine.= The American Spectator report is false and was written without any documen= tation or attribution." American Spectator publisher Al Regnery defended the report, but would not = reveal the identity of the anonymous reporter. "We stand by the story," he told B&C, suggesting the FCC and Commerce were = engaging in semantic denials. "Probably what it is is they call it by anoth= er name, so they'll say they didn't meet about whatever it was we called it= because they called it something else." From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 09:24:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60656 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 17:24:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 17:24:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 17:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 17:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 17:24:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:24:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8D90656287BA4CFDA6DC6CF90D240399@your4dacd0ea75> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.217 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=pQtqdF8PhgdcWVO4GWZw830X1omJXNw-HyJHFkjq2OIbETuCyg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 BUT!!! The problem is the same in USA, Chile (my beautiful Country),=20 Europe, Japan, Australia, etc. etc. etc. THERE WASN'T/ISN'T ANY MANDATE TO FORCE THE MANUFACTERS TO MAKE HIGH=20 PERFORMANCE AM TUNERS!!! FCC doesn't have any force with the receivers. They only=20 can "suggest", for example, the AMAX specs, but they can't force. Even more, FCC can't force/ask any about to any radio band. If you see the today commerce offer, you get any kind of audio=20 electronic devices but less the half of them have AM part!!! Think about the infamous MP3 players. If you get SOME with radio, it=20 has only FM (and usually not so good). Even more, if you get a radio tuner with SW bands today... YOU'RE A=20 VERY "LUCKY" BOY!!! THIS IS THE REALITY WE HAVE TO CHANGE. WE NEED TO CHANGE THE=20 MANUFACTURERS MIND!!! The problem is... HOW? Any idea? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > By "mandated" I was referring to receivers. > Dick W. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Dick W=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:38 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! >=20 >=20 > Although I don't normally listen to talk radio, I think that=20 Mike's remarks are right on the mark. The only qualifier that I=20 would add is that any technical changes must be mandated by the FCC=20 if they are to be effective. The failure to mandate technical=20 changes is probably the main reason that CQuam failed, and will=20 probably be the main reason that IBOC will fail. > Dick W. >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Feb 19 09:40:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24075 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 17:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 17:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173009pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.9) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 17:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KFB002ZSQEE6O9J@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:39:52 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <55372479EEA342AA912DFA5C554C92C7@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:39:50 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=8DzZuFl_7EPf6HMHmuxq1zdEp01Hsml7SX1p4vQVCNZgsA X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not knowledgeble about current FCC regulations, but I know that back in= the late 1950s the FCC required the TV manufacturers to include all-channe= l UHF tuners (as opposed to UHF single-channel tuner "strips") in their TV = sets. Dick W. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:24 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! BUT!!! The problem is the same in USA, Chile (my beautiful Country),=20 Europe, Japan, Australia, etc. etc. etc. THERE WASN'T/ISN'T ANY MANDATE TO FORCE THE MANUFACTERS TO MAKE HIGH=20 PERFORMANCE AM TUNERS!!! FCC doesn't have any force with the receivers. They only=20 can "suggest", for example, the AMAX specs, but they can't force. Even more, FCC can't force/ask any about to any radio band. If you see the today commerce offer, you get any kind of audio=20 electronic devices but less the half of them have AM part!!! Think about the infamous MP3 players. If you get SOME with radio, it=20 has only FM (and usually not so good). Even more, if you get a radio tuner with SW bands today... YOU'RE A=20 VERY "LUCKY" BOY!!! THIS IS THE REALITY WE HAVE TO CHANGE. WE NEED TO CHANGE THE=20 MANUFACTURERS MIND!!! The problem is... HOW? Any idea? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > By "mandated" I was referring to receivers. > Dick W. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Dick W=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:38 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! >=20 >=20 > Although I don't normally listen to talk radio, I think that=20 Mike's remarks are right on the mark. The only qualifier that I=20 would add is that any technical changes must be mandated by the FCC=20 if they are to be effective. The failure to mandate technical=20 changes is probably the main reason that CQuam failed, and will=20 probably be the main reason that IBOC will fail. > Dick W. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 13:34:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84640 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 21:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2009 21:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.189) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 21:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 21:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 21:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2009 21:34:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 102766.44464.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 75459 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2009 21:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.137 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2009 21:33:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0ONP8PQVM1kxeJ3ZcuFOS0J1K9v4xpUj7dqudMbqFD4pW__5lY1u5Iv_YtxqkJ1XeivqlSW6nTqeC4LeGeoX3VRMxd3V7W_6QR.Z3s2onbf0mtskLYiIwX..lxYqAEj276A2oxWyVabTBFuhWn2mab3TA38EFD87776Sk32_JnuGQaXO_F3MVHSuX3M- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20090219.081024.4971.2@webmail06.dca.untd.com> References: <20090219.081024.4971.2@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9B532531-6498-47D8-935B-B2EB71804BCC@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:33:58 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nova M files for bankruptcy protection X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=ovOPLD-FjAdvz-Haq1rgjL23dRl8aofTSS-V2j016t5LSGRbGA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Feb 19, 2009, at 4:10 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > The next new liberal-talk syndicator is On Second Thought Radio > Network, which will take on former Nova M personality Mike Malloy. > On Second Thought is a project of Dr. Mike Newcomb, who also worked > with Nova M at one point. NovaM and the Drobny's both suck. They know nothing about radio and have messed up everything they touched. Mike Newcomb started left wing radio in Phoenix and was doing well with it until the Drobny's who wrecked Air America came around. Now that it crashed Mike Newcomb has it again. The Drobny's are being sued for a lot of money by a lot of people. They suck at business. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Feb 19 16:47:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9679 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 00:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 00:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 00:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.127] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090219184709001870300015.0) with SMTP id <20090219184709001870300015> for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:47:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004801c992f5$93623720$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <84317.3362.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:47:09 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=gYXnaWh-1cFVOC6ljRCh9xwmzWtHkgG7kfLIadrAgu30zLcuuGk0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe I was unique but I hated that practice even back then. I thought it was refreshing when KQRS came up with the slogan "We don't talk over your favorite rock." Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Seems most young people I talk to think it is a cardinal sin for the DJ (if there even is one) to talk over the intro. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Feb 19 17:05:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59744 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 01:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 01:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 01:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.127] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090219190538001940800010.0) with SMTP id <20090219190538001940800010> for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:05:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b401c992f8$27380fe0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <274487.64904.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:05:38 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA ribbon microphones X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=uG6vCU0UqBSzjupv3vM9wJ1lhC29okOHO_5HcJIkFvkeLKu9-d8P X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are correct. The 44 and 74 were strictly ribbons. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Didn't the 77's have TWO elements, one ribbon and one dynamic, to afford changeable directional patterns? Or am I thinking of a different model? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Feb 19 17:07:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70291 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 01:07:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 01:07:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 01:07:46 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.127] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090219190729002173700010.0) with SMTP id <20090219190729002173700010> for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:07:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00bf01c992f8$69d85620$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8CB6025E3F6A24E-928-18C7@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:07:29 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Philips rarity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=tKSgFQOx62nsSP4N58hPb57NqrwYcKtil482ZnKUsGzqkZs5CVGE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm a tube guy too and have funwithtubes bookmarked. Nice to know there are a few other firebottle afficianados here. Sometimes I think I was born a decade too late. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Who prefers vacuum tubes today? And Why? I like to experiment with vacuum tubes as a hobby.? I was on the cusp of vacuum tube obsolesence when I was in engineering school.? So academically, I know alittle about them and experientially a good deal.? I perfer vacuum tubes as a hobby because it isn't like the professional work I do. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Feb 19 17:12:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79665 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 01:12:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 01:12:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 01:12:58 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.127] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090219191222002663500010.0) with SMTP id <20090219191222002663500010> for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:12:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00d001c992f9$187fa3e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8CB60340CA11483-14C4-580@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:12:22 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=i3lZxjkwM2NB6zhn5e0hhrxuvCjp_L1MxuBR6GATqLNeX2zk-iO0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's not entirely true. I think you'd find there are a number of intellectually brilliant conservatives. If you've never heard Dennis Prager, I'd suggest giving him a listen. He's got some specialty hours during the week such as the Ultimate Issues hour (hour 3 on Tuesday); the Male-Female hour (hour 2 on Wed.); and the Happiness Hour (hour 2 on Fri.) Hugh Hewitt is also a really bright guy and often has on guests who disagree with him. I find him a bit irritating at times but you may find him more balanced than the more well known names you cited. Not sure where you'd find him in the St. Louis area. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Where do you think Rush, Hannity, and Company would be if they started having informed thoughtful discussions? They would turn into NPR and have to have membership funding drives. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Feb 19 17:16:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1954 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 01:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 01:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 01:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.127] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090219191542001481200017.0) with SMTP id <20090219191542001481200017> for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:15:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e001c992f9$907d1bc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20090219.081024.4971.2@webmail06.dca.untd.com> <9B532531-6498-47D8-935B-B2EB71804BCC@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:15:42 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nova M files for bankruptcy protection X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=cn4sOuQ6RhYUWVQrBZuE9hNUbUU0CeM6HhZyiFDnXqVCGegv6fw3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No kidding. But there should still be plenty of politically left talkers around. They may not have a network specifically for them, but Dial Global (the old Jones Radio Net.) distributes a number of such shows. Perhaps we'll see the former NovaM people over there before too long? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com NovaM and the Drobny's both suck. They know nothing about radio and have messed up everything they touched. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 17:35:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74121 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 01:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 01:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.176) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 01:35:16 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n11.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 01:35:16 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.247] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 01:35:16 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 01:35:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 666263.75491.bm@omp408.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 74000 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 01:35:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.137 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 01:35:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wxROnmYVM1n2jA5NIPJ6JkHyti7QlLTBfXFBk0LSDD2e7aBci27rLjtOkIdDTkvCAnEbNGWrJjbLAuSmeUyYFAzuYmeuG5yZ5irbKR3xXE4w1RmYoz5Prx7vavljvjgQghFreYAqSgn8YO0mDUeTmh_ExeCJ5EIBcLKep.IDlSQEpMoS.f2Xx96_Gad4YDYNeXG.xY9aVbHjzHcfMHtmi0GtSlKaAJA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <00e001c992f9$907d1bc0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <20090219.081024.4971.2@webmail06.dca.untd.com> <9B532531-6498-47D8-935B-B2EB71804BCC@yahoo.com> <00e001c992f9$907d1bc0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0C23F851-2730-4407-BBB7-7FFEA9CDA038@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:35:15 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nova M files for bankruptcy protection X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=qrVyx_3sOZiEv57NM933t8hLSL_Gx_F3soRc6ALv7Je8XH7M8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Feb 19, 2009, at 7:15 PM, wrote: > Perhaps we'll see the former NovaM people over there before too long? Maybe only Randi Rhodes. Mike Malloy is working still through On Second Thought with Mike Newcomb. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Feb 19 21:02:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4563 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 05:02:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 05:02:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 05:02:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82079 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Feb 2009 05:02:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fzsamYYVM1nZIieXWSAx8ELGIEbuaTUVwvJBG4W0WDTbnH139PkRGe.9vPN_zSxeE7R6N09.iNGWAsG1w8hwUY08BjZAHi2LW1D095gcZO9KByZ8SyACCaFRaDdl9nbnzTwSUq4_j.8Z57MhKFgbaOpUSFhRlYgtkkoL7flBBwqnQ0jxYMIGb2ps_qJ8yBixd6dFEiYDdgeFPiMvUKaiRqJq X-Received: from [209.213.19.41] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:02:26 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:02:26 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00bf01c992f8$69d85620$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <224547.81718.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Philips rarity X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=-sLol-GXPJgLPoO1JQMmJS660oXcAJ_RIEYfw_aWjtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I love my old tube type table radios. I have 2 post 1963 Zenith High Fidelity radios and a Motorola that has the Conelrad markers dating that earlier than 1963. The Zenith High Fidelity is AC / DC and the Motorola is a transformer set. The Zenith is wider on AM and has an excellent FM, the Motorola will absolutely run you out of the room. I need to take it apart and clean it up, but I play it daily as I do the Zenith in the Kitchen. The Motorola has a tuning eye. Both radios stay on WKDK. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > I'm a tube guy too and have funwithtubes bookmarked. > Nice to know there are a few other firebottle afficianados > here. Sometimes I think I was born a decade too late. > > Scott Todd From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 20 11:54:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30341 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 19:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 19:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 19:54:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c3c.4e34bd17 (48576) for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:53:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:53:45 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WKAR AM 870 AM Stereo at night? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pPOvrGIabawLOxlNAr9SQbBwyQHT7IwftQQ4Dt6g_JBgBT_AawobwsOeSN4by5IK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WWL is the Class I station on the 870 clear channel. Although WWL is Class I, they run a directional antenna to concentrated their signal to the north rather having half of it go out over the Gulf. They have a white hot signal which easily reaches Michigan. Is their skywave no longer protected? Mike ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 20 13:15:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66092 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 21:14:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 21:14:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 21:14:58 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c27.5681eba4 (48576) for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:14:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:14:51 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vYlmxwZ0MM8x7JMNPz_dhFL10xYCQsjX2O8UUWP_WuUoxvSiTPnxBKUrUFsCbmt- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, I think the real problem is not limited to radio. It is across the whole U.S. business culture. One of the principal symptoms of this phenomenon is a degradation of standards. There was a time when a company's good name was its most valued asset. The company served a purpose and much of its value was vested in that service. Boeing built aircraft. General Motors built cars. The primary focus of the company was the customer. The goal of the CEO was to sustain and grow the organization. That is what built the great industrial giants of the United States, and with it, the American economy. There were two events which happened in the early 80s which began a destructive change. The first was the election of Ronald Reagan which began a period of unparalled greed, corporate sleeze, and indifference to social responsibility. As long as one won, that was all that matter. In fact, the sleazier the better. The bailout of the savings and loan industry was a good example. The other event was an individual who discovered an obscure section of the Internal Revenue Code know as Section 401K. This provision, which promises of allowing everyone to retire as millionaires at 55, drove millions of individual investors into someplace they didn't belong, the stock market. The generation which experienced this foley in the 1920s which led to the Great Depression had come and gone from the mainstream. This brought a great demand for stocks. This increase demand led to inflation of stock prices. The increased stock prices, in turn, put pressure on corporate earnings. That pressure, coupled with Reagan deregulation, sleaze, and social indifference led to the cancer which has just destroyed the American economy. I distinctly recall an management meeting when the CEO of our parent corporation came to present a state of company speech in the mid-80s. The guy started out with a question. That question was what our division's mission was. Our parent corporation was very diverse and the corporate people were somewhat detached so everyone just assumed he didn't know what we did. The first person, our sales manager, said our mission was to provide the market with the best HVAC controls in the world. "Wrong!" said the CEO. Everyone took the comment as referring to our market positioning. The chief engineer modified the previous claim by stating our mission was to provide the consumer with the best value HVAC controls. "Wrong, again!" said the CEO. There was several more attempts to answer the question before the CEO pulled a $20 bill out of his pocket (no doubt the smallest denomination) and declared that was our mission. He went on to explain that our mission was to make money. That was the only product he was concerned with. In the years that followed, our workforce declined and there has not been a general raise in the four years that preceded my departure from the company. Work was outsourced to Mexico, then overseas. Management told one lie after another. Every couple of years, someone would come down from corporate to announce the old management was being removed when their credibility had sank to zero. Corporate would always say they took decisive action when they found out what division management had done. Of course, the new management would start telling their own lies. The idea was to keep everyone working at their best while the company was being shipped out around them. You would be surprised at the level of denial and what people were willing to believe. At the same time, employees began to cheat. Instead of working on company business, they would massage their 401K accounts during the day. The company became ever more dysfunctional even as profits soared. The tasks required for sustaining the business weren't getting done. Sustaining the business was no longer the prime concern, it was even A concern. The company that had been around for half a century, begun during the Depression, which has survived lean times and other challenges, was no more. The name was still there, but it was hollow entity. The key to the downfall of any organization is when sustainability ceased to become the highest concern. It used to be that a CEO rose through the ranks and generally held the position for decades. No more. The Wall Street money people buy a solid company with a good name, install their own management to gut the company for all its worth, and then move on to wreck another company. In organized crime, this is called a bust-out. With uncontrolled mergers and acquisitions, this practice has gone on until the companies left to pillage was begun to be depleted. An investor, be he an investment banker or Joe the Plumber with a 401k, isn't concerned with building companies. It's just the money. The problem is what has generated the short term profits for some isn't sustainable. People do not look to the horizon to see where their course is taking them. It's get what you can for as long as you can and jump ship before it goes onto the rocks. Getting back on topic, radio's present decline began as moneyed interests began taking over broadcasting. The ABC, CBS, and NBC networks and flagship stations are no more. These organizations were acquired and gutted with the only standard being not generating a return on invested, they always did that, but rather generating an unsustainable profit. Staffs were slashed. Standards became unnecessary. Like so many other businesses, there began a race to the bottom. As a hypothetical example, a seasoned on-air personality in a middle market might command $150,000 a year salary at the a successful station. A broadcast school guy would do the job for $15,000, however could only retain half the audience. What happens? You fire the seasoned professional because even if you lose half the audience, you still make more profit. The result is a poor quality product. I am a liberal Democrat with no apologies. Barack Obama amazes me. However, I don't believe in what he *says* he is trying to do. Economic stimilus just isn't going to work because it isn't sustainable. I believe Barack is too smart to buy what he is selling. He just doesn't have anything else to sell and that is what really scares me. He is doing his best. That's for sure. My concern is that will not be enough. Mike ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 20 13:26:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30434 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 21:26:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 21:26:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 21:26:24 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c4b.493707b6 (48576) for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:26:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:26:13 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nova M files for bankruptcy protection X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=GrX-wruL-GL0oa_fGVbsro4YfmLtB0rh6oTIjsvnPKuHwVD16fzRTYf_oWaTVA_D X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nova M was a valant enterprise. Valant isn't a word I use lightly, but is well deserved. I listen to Nova M on the web. They're sponsorship was rather sad. It was mom and pop small businesses who were more interested in supporting Nova M and its message than promoting their businesses. If I ran a radio station, I would hire the folks who run Nova M and their flagship station in Phoenix. Why? Because if anyone can put out that kind of programming with that kind of sponsor support and ONLY lose $100G a month, they must be pretty damn good. I don't think anyone with Air America or Nova M was looking to make a fortune. They are socially responsible entrepeneurs, something we desperately need. I just hope I don't have to built a county-sized medium wave antenna with a cryogenically cooled front end here in Arkansas to pull in Randi Rhodes from her flagship station in Florida. Mike ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 20 13:30:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43322 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 21:30:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 21:30:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 21:30:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d52.4158657b (48576) for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:30:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:30:12 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=wQcPb_F2fGYU8Pw7JjXCXfjBi9iKsr4dxZ60NPT9eQN_PNOzzGX0dnVQOGwrFjGt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, I am convinced you could build an AM system that is universally compatible while being high quality. You could have a system that sounds great on a 1941 Zenith Console radio while sounding spectacular on a modern modestly priced car or home stereo. I think dbx processed CQUAM is the way to go. It may take a specially adapted dbx system much like TV stereo, but I believe it is possible. Mike ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 20 13:38:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88390 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 21:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 21:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 21:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c59.41b4ae94 (48576) for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:38:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:38:24 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ampliphase Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=f-Gak4C1Vwe_Aw5CMooBCdvhEOoCNMmNby7EZ_yodbIKPp1VWoc_UiKnOnLwEBCK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don, If you mean using Ampliphase exciter, you're right. You can reduce the carrier power by increasing the quiesent phase angle, but that messes up the pre-distortor. I believe my ECL Engine CQUAM generator will work with a high power Ampliphase. It uses an amplitude to phase output for 100mW. The same phase signals can drive some solild state drivers that could handle the largest output tubes. Mike ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 14:05:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54114 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 22:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 22:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.104) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 22:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 22:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.240] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 22:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 22:05:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 129957.9790.bm@omp401.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 86346 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 22:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.137 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 22:05:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Zo5gPMAVM1mmCg2BSnCxaTiER_DltXgQij1gg.rMUQoFUCHS84LOvZchcMfBNb.VYBMvne1XLL45y9IQtZ6CAuuCPMzhRo1KgFfPeFgnTNnbQUYfwD3u2FFeaEGfCXrkGmVu_aHSdw0PFCnNWRgt.bMCeLVs.v00fqAEtU81.6VBLv.9aJVvPswsD2U- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:05:55 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=xws_sWeeIDdLvZV2e-tcTa-OMazMS1C57RaA7G_zdFwZ7ae-fA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > There were two events which happened in the early 80s which began a > destructive change. There were three things that wrecked the economy. 1. Complete removal of the dollar from bimetallic backing in 1971 by Nixon. 2. Removal of the 91% tax rate on the most wealthy and highest money earners while Reagan was president. 3. Granting Most Favored Nation Trading Status to China while Clinton was president. When we went off the bimetallic backing of money by Nixon, we had fiat money and inflation was free to run. We have been messed up ever since. When we had the 91% tax rate, the ultra filthy rich had to reinvest their money in business inside the United States or they would lose their money to the fedgov. When we had this rate American business was booming because of all the money that went into investments and businesses. Now tax rates are at about 28% and the rich keep the money and don't put it into American business. 52,000 of them went to UBS in Switzerland to hide their money from the IRS who is trying to get the info on to make the super rich pay. When we gave China, Most Favored Trading Status they were free to dump products here and you know what the story is because we are living it today. If all three of these things were not done, we would still have jobs, inflation would be low, and it wouldn't matter if we were giving Arabs money for oil because we would be producing things. Of the three, the worst two were done by the Republicans, Nixon and Reagan. > The other event was an individual who discovered an obscure section > of the > Internal Revenue Code know as Section 401K. Yeah, this caused problems. Lots of them. Because of it, lots of people are getting fleeced right now in a market that nears 1/2 of its high point of 14,100. Today its at 7,366. People lost half their investment in the 401k plans they have. > I distinctly recall an management meeting when the CEO of our parent > corporation came to present a state of company speech in the > mid-80s. The guy started > out with a question. That question was what our division's mission > was. I went to college and got through it in 1977. I took Business and Economics. On the first day of college the first thing the prof said was Business is all about making money. He held up a $5 bill and said if this is not what you are after, you are taking the wrong course. If I heard that question from your CEO, I would have said we are here to make money for ourselves and our stockholders. Your CEO might have reversed that. My story about business school is eerily similar to yours. The whole time I was being schooled, it was always taught to us that you are to take money now because you have no idea if you will die tomorrow, if there was a nuclear war or some other catastrophe happen. Take the money now was what we were ALWAYS taught. DO NOT leave money on the table. I don't agree with it, but it was what was always taught. > Work was outsourced to Mexico, then overseas. Management told one > lie after > another. I have been through this several times. Your story is the same told thousands and thousands of times each year. If workers were smart, they would understand capitalism. Do the least possible for the most money. Thats all it is about. Workers should just do what it takes to get by. If management is going to steal everything not nailed down, no need for workers to go full bore all the time. > You would be surprised > at the level of denial and what people were willing to believe. I remember one time at work we were in the company dog and pony show and getting showed a lot of charts and graphs that were all total bullshit. One day after a particularly bad dog and pony show with lies that most did not catch. I talked to the plant manager. I asked him a simple accounting question about the graphs he showed and his face blushed and his eyes looked down quickly. I knew that he knew he had told one too many lies. About 6 weeks later he was replaced with another liar. > At the same time, employees began to cheat. Instead of working on > company > business, they would massage their 401K accounts during the day. I worked as a test engineer at a plant that produced robotic machinery. I used to laugh my ass off at the number of people that were supposed to be programming and were day trading at work. We used to send emails back and forth about trades that could make money. It was crazy how much of that was going on. > The key to the downfall of any organization is when sustainability > ceased to > become the highest concern. My man, in all the colleges and universities around the nation teach students that if you can make money by closing the doors, then get out the locks and chains. If you can make just a little more by closing and selling even though you make money by manufacturing product, close the shop. Its really all about money and nothing more. ROI rules. There is nothing more important than Return On Investment. If you destroy something and it gives a better return, take the money is what is taught. W Bush was the perfect example of this. If he thought he could start a war to steal the oil from another nation, he would do it in a second. > An investor, be he an investment banker or Joe the Plumber with a > 401k, isn't > concerned with building companies. It's just the money. You have eyes to see. Every MBA knows this. Every first day business school student at any university is taught it from day one. > The problem is what > has generated the short term profits for some isn't sustainable. They don't care if its sustainable. Just give me the money NOW. We can figure out how to make more money later. Ask Bernie Madoff. > It's get > what you can for as long as you can and jump ship before it goes > onto the rocks. Exactly. > I am a liberal Democrat with no apologies. Me too. Left wing as it gets. > Barack Obama amazes me. However, > I don't believe in what he *says* he is trying to do. You have to remember he is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and has written many articles for its quarterly magazine "Foreign Affairs." His wife was the head of the Chicago branch of the CFR. He is establishment to a fault. > Economic stimilus > just isn't going to work because it isn't sustainable. You are right but things were made worse by giving banks lots of money without any oversight. If you were going to dole out cash, it should have gone first to the people. The people drive the economy. When we have money, the banks get money. > He just doesn't have anything else to sell > and that is what really scares me. He is doing his best. That's > for sure. My > concern is that will not be enough. We are monetizing the debt right now. All economies have fallen when they monetize their debts. This was the last thing the Weimar Republic did before it took wheelbarrows of money to buy a loaf of bread. All that we can do is try to get money into the hands of the people and maybe things will turn around but I don't see it. It will take a miracle straight out of Heaven from God to keep us out of a severe depression. This will be the gift and legacy of the Bush Administration. He really gave way too much to the rich, the Chinese and everyone but the working people. Now we are starting to pay for that. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 14:15:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17022 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 22:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 22:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.49) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 22:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 22:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 22:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2009 22:15:18 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 35209.73652.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 38225 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 22:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.137 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 22:15:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5fYmFRIVM1lM0CFpZOW4jktMj.Jl9TiBLe_3SKwad8iMa99l98F9AObcdVeXHWPZUn_HKc0xSZAjimG81v_1J8VWI.LJcJFEwPguInKD8VUtstHrgg5LMsb.USqGfTEumtAEafXzt2vJnYcVg_luK0OmKRByuJMQJkm3dWnnNyx93DUG9VaDeKodHg0zBJt9I5fEKWSZHnR5O7dnqUWDRn5C X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:15:16 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Nova M files for bankruptcy protection X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Nxp3V-1sbMNO8vmFqTGET2KqZvfcj-4fva4eEMxbCPy1cYqr-w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla > Nova M was a valant enterprise. Valant isn't a word I use lightly, > but is > well deserved. I listened to the genesis of left wing radio in Phoenix. It started out with Dr. Mike Newcomb on 1010 KXXT. He LMAed it and put a lot of lefty shows on the air. Somehow Dr. Mike ended up needing investment money to get on 1480 and LMA it when a "Christian" group bought the station on 1010 to get left wing talk off the air. Dr. Mike made the mistake of letting the Drobny's help him get on 1480. It went down hill from there. They tossed out Dr. Mike and all the local hosts and put on a lot of syndicated radio. It went from there until it crashed. Now Dr. Mike has the station back again but now on 1100 KNUV. > I listen to Nova M on the web. They're sponsorship was rather > sad. It was > mom and pop small businesses who were more interested in supporting > Nova M and > its message than promoting their businesses. The people who are in Phoenix and listen to NovaM are the best. I know many of those who support them with their local ads. No corporations want to advertise on lefty stations because they are the ones who point out the evil that corporations do. There are a core of listeners that gave $100 each to the station to keep it on the air. People, working people pay money to keep it going. > I just hope I don't have to built a county-sized medium wave > antenna with a > cryogenically cooled front end here in Arkansas to pull in Randi > Rhodes from > her flagship station in Florida. Maybe her program will stream on the net when she comes back on. Kevin From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 20 15:46:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 330 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 23:46:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 23:46:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 23:46:42 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.6] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090220174626001375800013.0) with SMTP id <20090220174626001375800013> for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:46:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003701c993b6$41bff580$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:46:26 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=VcHvLMIk10-ZoslulRjRJT16rfjnrPn1Tdh7MtGAzJSTe-cDm8Fk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kennedy, early 60s. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 2. Removal of the 91% tax rate on the most wealthy and highest money earners while Reagan was president. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 20 15:50:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73847 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 23:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 23:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 23:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.6] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090220175023001226600010.0) with SMTP id <20090220175023001226600010> for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:50:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004301c993b6$d0b00fa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:50:23 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=9mB68frwRyxApCS_zfQBuhIgZC0yUmPP7sCIE139-_unYuNs18Pg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Huh? My parents grew up during the Depression and they had all kinds of stocks during their working and retirement years. So did other people their age both at church and around our very blue collar neighborhood. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The other event was an individual who discovered an obscure section of the Internal Revenue Code know as Section 401K. This provision, which promises of allowing everyone to retire as millionaires at 55, drove millions of individual investors into someplace they didn't belong, the stock market. The generation which experienced this foley in the 1920s which led to the Great Depression had come and gone from the mainstream. This brought a great demand for stocks. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 20 16:08:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5198 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 00:08:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2009 00:08:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 00:08:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.6] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090220180826000039800010.0) with SMTP id <20090220180826000039800010> for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:08:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005301c993b9$572a69c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:08:26 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=xBbbmZMFr6SXC6UW91VF0i5hykTno-ckV7ZKp0RL77l_wjUbJ6of X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of Nixon, much of the stagflation this nation experienced in the 70s was because of his belief in Keynesian economics. Obama also is of this school of thought. I ask this not to start a flame war, but to honestly try to get a handle on where you're coming from and why you support him. If KE didn't work for Nixon, how will it be different for Obama? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 1. Complete removal of the dollar from bimetallic backing in 1971 by Nixon. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Feb 20 16:19:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73402 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 00:19:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2009 00:19:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com) (65.54.246.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 00:19:21 -0000 X-Received: from BAY109-W12 ([64.4.19.112]) by bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:19:21 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:19:20 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005301c993b9$572a69c0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <005301c993b9$572a69c0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2009 00:19:21.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[0AD410C0:01C993BA] X-Originating-IP: 65.54.246.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=To0muQoW2MZWTUI1jdWI4qYE4GJQN63LnwHlS4TepbS-s4uyp34n X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here we go again. Can't we just talk about AMStereo? MTGC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:08:26 -0600 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! Speaking of Nixon, much of the stagflation this nation experienced in the 70s was because of his belief in Keynesian economics. Obama also is of this school of thought. I ask this not to start a flame war, but to honestly try to get a handle on where you're coming from and why you support him. If KE didn't work for Nixon, how will it be different for Obama? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 1. Complete removal of the dollar from bimetallic backing in 1971 by Nixon. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 20 16:26:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88033 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 00:26:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2009 00:26:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 00:26:27 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.6] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090220182559002096100010.0) with SMTP id <20090220182559002096100010> for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:25:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006d01c993bb$c983df40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <005301c993b9$572a69c0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:25:59 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=HeVKjm2SUc7nEKZl7trIlI1ebaKDx_WKMJlWaRUzdd57Lof4GqS2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You and Kevin are the ones who just spent the last few messages talking politics. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: AM Stereo Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 6:19 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! Here we go again. Can't we just talk about AMStereo? MTGC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:08:26 -0600 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! Speaking of Nixon, much of the stagflation this nation experienced in the 70s was because of his belief in Keynesian economics. Obama also is of this school of thought. I ask this not to start a flame war, but to honestly try to get a handle on where you're coming from and why you support him. If KE didn't work for Nixon, how will it be different for Obama? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 1. Complete removal of the dollar from bimetallic backing in 1971 by Nixon. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 16:48:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33469 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 00:48:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2009 00:48:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.145) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 00:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2009 00:48:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2009 00:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2009 00:48:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 575858.87209.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 59582 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 00:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.137 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 00:48:28 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IL_YhG0VM1njW1Ps7pthnAEFDDZUo6vwlGM60Ny1F4EBzqJR11dvdQraw5d5492XgoYtiFk8u3E3zrYP0HO.uWuLyiB5SXbZIQndfto1C1SekliA1wIw56ZuIYUQpQNIPcokblkNpuNCx.VOwWnbCWbsjkmmdsH7bPwf6ozCwNxewIc766X7G88siFg4yPq2soF71KThitRqfWSIF8ekOrGsAN24o0M- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <005301c993b9$572a69c0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <005301c993b9$572a69c0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:48:27 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=ku274t2S7eJbakgjyhHAC4z9Tq9zyvBdtOvEDeeUO119i5FXgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Feb 20, 2009, at 6:08 PM, wrote: > Speaking of Nixon, much of the stagflation this nation experienced > in the 70s was because of his belief in Keynesian economics. > > 1. Complete removal of the dollar from bimetallic backing in 1971 by > Nixon. I don't know what you are getting at but I am saying that removing the dollar from metals was bad because it allowed massive inflation. I don't know whether or not Obama's plan will work because its only been implemented for two days. I do know the shit Bush did by cutting taxes during a war and starting a war that was unnecessary sure fucked us over big time. This is from the Republicans. Enough voters understood it and that caused the crushing defeats that the GOP got in the last two elections. Even the right wingers at Salem understand it. They had to lay off 13%, stop matching 401K plans and 5% salary cuts because of the economic wreckage the Bush administration caused. I am hoping that you are still working. I am hoping you didn't take a 5 or 10% pay cut either. I don't even want stinking, lousy, wretched Republikans to suffer. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 16:49:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19494 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 00:49:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2009 00:49:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.49) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 00:49:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n30.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2009 00:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.67] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2009 00:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2009 00:49:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 879001.84845.bm@omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 59782 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 00:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.137 with plain) by smtp115.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 00:49:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 2D_GqsAVM1k6nV6NQX4rCyrcvMHxAR6eM_oyohIRLp7ZQpqDZCHaXn_Q.hgLD1HRjJFj9DZmPe1Lw0oQGgICYXn8gljHa8DqxPTosHak8jIM5LVECBT1lq9wS7_R0oZEH7AFrGWvJ.5Q9rPvxwOKmfEwkRn1834M4x_0TJW32_YpHvFLamBY1JhDRs0uhILvbMuikr6ZygAWgjLoPYy9Rn4z3UnELSw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 In-Reply-To: <006d01c993bb$c983df40$d503fea9@stodd> References: <005301c993b9$572a69c0$d503fea9@stodd> <006d01c993bb$c983df40$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:49:06 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.49 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=wCHm-YwQL4HuvPB7fMEVMjk069aBqOwhyvO0zvIQqESEQey15w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla I am ready to lay off politics for a while if you are. On Feb 20, 2009, at 6:25 PM, wrote: > You and Kevin are the ones who just spent the last few messages > talking politics. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 17:07:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19020 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 01:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2009 01:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 01:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2009 01:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2009 01:07:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:07:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.200 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Another old mike X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=WYuPqa32LSN15fohb95CQ3qJF1HnC_AWNU7FnW6Qmfvt7StmBw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody knows the Amperite model RBHN old mike. I found=20 one in the last house cleaning. It looks so good externally (just the=20 ON/OFF switch is missed), but I don't know any about it. I guess it is=20 a ribbon mike. Some idea? I uploaded pics of my old vintage mike in=20 the Photo section (at the left). Please, feel free to put any old=20 radio-related thing on that folder. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 20 18:07:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57538 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 02:07:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2009 02:07:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 02:07:11 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail11.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.151]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE382NUA5FPNF2 for (sender ); Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:06:10 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD7BNHQLdbS1B+3NBD6ud9Bo= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail11.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N9VYB372; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:05:19 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.43] by webmail11.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:04:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:04:08 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090220.180408.29248.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:4252406920 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.151|webmail11.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: KNUV is back on the market X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=HDRu0DjSzshwvqemqwetDGaFWNCt2OScu1i2Cfd59g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Nova M Radio is kaput =96 and so is its $2.25 million deal to buy Phoenix A= M KNUV (1190). The deal was struck last October when Randi Rhodes was firmly in the talent= stable at the Drobnys=92 progressive talk syndicator. That was also when N= ova M had a solid-looking LMA for KNUV and when dollars were coming in the = door from a syndication effort behind Rhodes and Mike Malloy that had a tot= al of about 40 stations. Now =96 Sheldon Drobny is in the hospital. Randi R= hodes has split in an apparent contract dispute. And the LMA-to-buy is endi= ng =96 soon. Anita and Sheldon Drobny were about to sign the final asset pu= rchase agreement for the purchase of KNUV, Tolleson, Arizona from New Radio= Venture. But now the station (5-kw days, 250 watts at night) is back on th= e market. Broker Jody McCoy of Media Services Group has the listing. He=92s= also selling KNUV=92s sibling in Denver, KNRV, Englewood (1150). 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This year=92s Heavy 100 from Talkers magazine: http://talkers.com/online/?p=3D267 From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 19:21:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76051 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 03:21:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2009 03:21:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 03:21:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12923 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2009 03:21:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: htudhZkVM1lijuuxCJQ4hvvrjjDtR7IEeC0EzHCsHNHOvlqSzufpdTdktfMTrGoj21HlPKfVJd7l5RaVMduOUIftQcUYOJxZq7TYPBImanv8I9neqjoJlb7GUpu3WeLbhP7pVJ2ufQ1.RbRTU_DsbhgNdW7vGADKmbLUVRME._TAZLTATCNIA.5f..foIXN3AMczM6lEGYjSHO4FX8FNS1l3 X-Received: from [209.213.19.29] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:21:30 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:21:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <524077.11569.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=GKesl-dP_L2LspLxgYTSi4I38UDFZzt9aTMMG-GCSdg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW did you all not hear what KT said, NO politics? You aren't very smart. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Feb 20 19:26:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74816 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 03:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2009 03:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 03:26:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73743 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2009 03:26:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0n7umMwVM1nzfFlCh7heNQM7QrOM7kW3SUvXr6u4SWXHVw76HAgg.xzHj4bNKgURkeq.iio0A94h6rA1tz7wNwBAECei6aGxXrOKtfzfUllVYYtKWmdJQzxiuUuUr3HaxuBqTvCIEfsrShu7MHiLUk58a0JYrEzLeCeM_FSNl5kzZH7GkxNtU_UdwPMCzcAWEOEErlk72zSL9GUMgpmlRzcpu2B14DG9mjcm83bD X-Received: from [209.213.19.29] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:26:00 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:26:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <129330.70237.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6Hphc4-Kw5vdtJyyJJ8nnhsSomMQ7blNXJXibnrx654 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW YOU WERE TOLD TO LAY OFF POLITICS .... NOW DO IT !!! POWELL NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 2/20/09, kevin redding wrote: > From: kevin redding > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 7:49 PM > I am ready to lay off politics for a while if you are. > > On Feb 20, 2009, at 6:25 PM, > wrote: > > > You and Kevin are the ones who just spent the last few > messages > > talking politics. > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 20 19:48:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57702 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 03:48:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2009 03:48:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 03:48:32 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cb9.42a32796 (48600) for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:48:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:50:40 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Sre7KWUbDwg-M80FoTeEU_CPOYRWM1O868-8Nts5kak0Ol_sWyZzK4Xs9rZ5SdJv X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, You were a Test Engineer! I was Test Engineering Manager at Emerson's White Rodgers Division for almost a decade. I believe it is a vocational requirement for Test Engineers to be cynics. It's a TE's job to find the fly poop in the pepper. There was a strange duality (read: hypocracy) about management's message. As far as the company, all that matter was money. As for ourselves, we needed to be self-less, dedicated, give it all the team type folks. Money shouldn't matter to us. What we needed was self-actualization. So long as we could have input into what color the crapper was painted, why did we need a raise? Ever. American enterprise, and the country, has prospered because of regulated capitalism tempered by social equity and justice. There have been times in our history when capitalism has gone unchecked which ended in disaster followed by reform. In the 19th. Century, Bismarck was smart enough to figure out that it was better to have tempered capitalism than a rebellion leading socialism and worst. Our prized Social Security system was not a U.S. invention. It was Bismarck's creation that was appropriated by FDR. What brought about Communist Russia wasn't Marx or Lenin. It was Nicolas Romanoff, the true father of the Russian Revolution. The Great Depression brought this country perilously close to a political as well as economic disaster. We could well have went the way of Germany. FDR learned Bismarck's lesson. That lesson has been forgotten in our generational memory. I was talking about today's circumstances with someone who lived through the Great Depression. Her fear was that people would not be as nice today as they were back then. In those days, she said, if all you had was a couple of potatoes for dinner and your next door neighbor had none, you added another cup of water to the soup and invited them over. Today, someone is more likely to kill you for a couple of potatoes if they're hungry enough. Getting back to radio, Rush is now going after local content and community accountability as leftist plots to silence him. He might try tempering that Oxy-cotin with some lithium to tune out that paranoia. Mike ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Feb 20 20:17:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60315 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 04:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2009 04:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 04:17:53 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so424702anc.5 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:17:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.133.2 with SMTP id g2mr2198487and.134.1235189872863; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:17:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.39.109.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.39.109.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.39.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c1sm7122969ana.40.2009.02.20.20.17.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:17:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4AF441C9-8126-40D2-BCBA-8F45C42A1AA8@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <129330.70237.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:17:42 -0500 References: <129330.70237.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=FstYpWv-0Du0AIy9TdEk32Tp52i9LcCsZSmYuXBy71k28GX0auNwnvY3v_DIow X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 20, 2009, at 10:26 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > YOU WERE TOLD TO LAY OFF POLITICS .... NOW DO IT !!! If KT would make me a moderator, I would be very happy to put an end to the politics on this group. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@optusnet.com.au Sat Feb 21 02:17:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79412 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 10:17:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2009 10:17:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.183) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 10:17:42 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (114.78.169.122.optusnet.com.au [114.78.169.122] (may be forged)) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n1LAHevq017872 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:17:40 +1100 To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:17:38 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcmTp2wl4LfhTe+fTtOWztTrIX8UawAWKa8g X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=tfeJRHbZgD9K1klrzHDNRv70CFTooPbG152x5tTEZSN5 X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: kevin redding > This will be the gift and legacy of the Bush Administration. > He really gave way too much to the rich, the Chinese and > everyone but the working people. Now we are starting to > pay for that. OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! is sorta how I feel about responding to this thread, but I will say the following ... for the greater good. The trouble with democratic capitalism is that, unrestrained, it's simply so unfair. It's the survival of the fittest money managers. And many of them were born with a silver spoon in their mouth and had so many educational opportunities not available to the average Joe. Frankly the majority of people in many countries would actually be better off being ruled by an altruistic dictator than a totally free money market where the rich simply emasculate the poor. Some of these rich tyrants couldn't fight there way out of a wet paper bag. I'd like to see them survive in the old ages when survival of the physical fittest would render them paupers overnight. I am a democratic socialist (or socialist democrat if you prefer). I love having an equal vote in determining a government. I also think that good governments should promote equal opportunity. It starts with education, and of course health. A good government should ensure that all its citizens have a natural right to a decent basic education, and decent health treatment. It doesn't happen in America (or here to a certain extent) because of greed. The wealthy simply don't know when to stop ripping off the capitalist system. This has resulted in the international financial crisis. And the amazing thing is ... your (and our) system is so entrenched that when the bottom starts dropping out of it, it's the rich people's banks and automobile companies etc that get the governments (socialist!) cash handouts to try and right the wrongs caused by the greedy rich in the first place. Indulge me is suggesting a better system. One where money doesn't equate to what formerly was physical might. One where you could possibly evaluate results with a happiness index. The most important things that a government can do for its people is promote health and happiness in a secure environment. This is where capitalistic America has lost the plot. The government should regulate in favour of the majority of the people, whilst also ensuring minority groups aren't adversely disadvantaged and get a fair and equal go. They should redistribute income to the needy even if this results in a smaller overall GNI and GNP. Most people in any successful country like America would be happier receiving a fair slice of a smaller national cake than what happens now. To deny this results in poverty, crime, terrorism, and revolution. And please don't any of you suggest to me that America couldn't afford to do this. You've wasted trillions of dollars starting and losing wars in Vietnam and Iraq, killing and maiming millions of people. Even the limited expensive war in Afghanistan is becoming somewhat of a joke (sorry, I can't think of the right expression) because the reason for it seems to have disappeared. It was supposed to be about capturing Osama. What is it about now? And then there's all the trillions wasted of the ridiculous "starwars" defence program. If you were a better world citizen you wouldn't need such a fantastic (read fantasy) defence program. Instead of interfering with 50 countries since WWII, America would have been much better off if it had invested its wealth in its own needy citizens. I'd like to think it's never too late to start. Democracy and capitalism have worked pretty much better than any other system in the last 250 years. But maybe it's all gone a bit too far. It's time for Western democracies to legislate and regulate in favour of the vast majority of their citizens. Otherwise we will have capitalistic greed and all the chaos that it creates. And to people like our Scott. I'm not suggesting massive changes to the current system. I'm suggesting a different emphasis and focus. A government not ruled by money makers, lobbyists, and war makers. A government of the people, by the people, FOR THE PEOPLE. Wikipedia describes SOCIALISM as follows ... Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equal opportunities for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation You Americans won't have to worry about the dreadful daemon SOCIALISM in the rest of your natural lives. But many of you will have to admit it does look good. Don't you think it's about time that you embraced it a bit more? It's not something to be afraid of ... and most probably might end up in a better, fairer, more peaceful world. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Feb 21 11:20:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67502 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2009 19:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2009 19:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2009 19:20:04 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c93.3fa7d704 (42809) for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:19:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:19:57 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=egud6n5JSy2uH-vRgY9jDZvbtUweIqhsKtT7OuaUWp4kqpaK2ZEXYpaIPCFPO3nV X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/20/2009 10:18:03 PM Central Standard Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > If KT would make me a moderator, I would be very happy to put an end > to the politics on this group. > > Kevin, I moderate another group. Might I suggest you slam your hand in a car door. You might find it a more pleasurable experience than moderating a Yahoo Group. Mike ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sat Feb 21 16:14:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59589 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 00:14:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2009 00:14:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 00:14:36 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE4BGFTAFMPKKS for (sender ); Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:13:37 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD42OpVCwn0JZc4LtZbgg0mM= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N9YCBZT8; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:13:28 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.43] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:12:47 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:12:47 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090221.161247.29455.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 31:15:3559734709 X-MAIL-INFO:4295ed50d41485690c002041855190051955a0819dad904dfd74 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=4p8fvCCG9wQGy7I-ncEvqnrW1a5GxHKKi0eTx7sqOg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Socialism works great - that is until we run out of other peoples money to = spend. -- "Ian Davidson" wrote: =20 From: kevin redding > This will be the gift and legacy of the Bush Administration. > He really gave way too much to the rich, the Chinese and > everyone but the working people. Now we are starting to > pay for that. =20 OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! is sorta how I feel about responding to this thread= , but I will say the following ... for the greater good. =20 The trouble with democratic capitalism is that, unrestrained, it's simply s= o unfair. It's the survival of the fittest money managers. And many of them were born with a silver spoon in their mouth and had so many educational opportunities not available to the average Joe. =20 Frankly the majority of people in many countries would actually be better off being ruled by an altruistic dictator than a totally free money market where the rich simply emasculate the poor. =20 Some of these rich tyrants couldn't fight there way out of a wet paper bag. I'd like to see them survive in the old ages when survival of the physical fittest would render them paupers overnight. =20 I am a democratic socialist (or socialist democrat if you prefer). I love having an equal vote in determining a government. I also think that good governments should promote equal opportunity. It starts with education, an= d of course health. A good government should ensure that all its citizens have a natural right to a decent basic education, and decent health treatment. =20 It doesn't happen in America (or here to a certain extent) because of greed= . The wealthy simply don't know when to stop ripping off the capitalist system. =20 This has resulted in the international financial crisis. And the amazing thing is ... your (and our) system is so entrenched that when the bottom starts dropping out of it, it's the rich people's banks and automobile companies etc that get the governments (socialist!) cash handouts to try an= d right the wrongs caused by the greedy rich in the first place. =20 Indulge me is suggesting a better system. One where money doesn't equate t= o what formerly was physical might. One where you could possibly evaluate results with a happiness index. =20 The most important things that a government can do for its people is promot= e health and happiness in a secure environment. This is where capitalistic America has lost the plot. =20 The government should regulate in favour of the majority of the people, whilst also ensuring minority groups aren't adversely disadvantaged and get a fair and equal go. They should redistribute income to the needy even if this results in a smaller overall GNI and GNP. Most people in any successful country like America would be happier receiving a fair slice of = a smaller national cake than what happens now. To deny this results in poverty, crime, terrorism, and revolution.=20 =20 And please don't any of you suggest to me that America couldn't afford to d= o this. You've wasted trillions of dollars starting and losing wars in Vietnam and Iraq, killing and maiming millions of people. Even the limited expensive war in Afghanistan is becoming somewhat of a joke (sorry, I can't think of the right expression) because the reason for it seems to have disappeared. It was supposed to be about capturing Osama. What is it abou= t now? And then there's all the trillions wasted of the ridiculous "starwars= " defence program. If you were a better world citizen you wouldn't need such a fantastic (read fantasy) defence program. Instead of interfering with 50 countries since WWII, America would have been much better off if it had invested its wealth in its own needy citizens. I'd like to think it's neve= r too late to start.=20=20 =20 Democracy and capitalism have worked pretty much better than any other system in the last 250 years. But maybe it's all gone a bit too far. =20 It's time for Western democracies to legislate and regulate in favour of th= e vast majority of their citizens. Otherwise we will have capitalistic greed and all the chaos that it creates. =20 And to people like our Scott. I'm not suggesting massive changes to the current system. I'm suggesting a different emphasis and focus. A government not ruled by money makers, lobbyists, and war makers. A government of the people, by the people, FOR THE PEOPLE.=20=20 =20 Wikipedia describes SOCIALISM as follows ... =20 Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equal opportunities for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation =20 You Americans won't have to worry about the dreadful daemon SOCIALISM in th= e rest of your natural lives. But many of you will have to admit it does loo= k good. Don't you think it's about time that you embraced it a bit more? It's not something to be afraid of ... and most probably might end up in a better, fairer, more peaceful world. =20 =20 Ian Melbourne From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Feb 21 16:22:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81974 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 00:22:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2009 00:22:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.86.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 00:22:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2009 00:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.72] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2009 00:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2009 00:22:07 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 851029.24996.bm@omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 67634 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 00:22:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.137 with plain) by smtp116.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 00:22:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pk0VG3gVM1mVfY6WTaCTMCYIzBIo0_O8loYBuKFjEHVU0BzYO7dcEeH.yTC_oP1jZoKGj5NIQYU5rohVfjIaqFzPAgwtHivn9eiHWtK.VpfsQXOpzWbBNGZgrn6m9yhzNyWKYaNsORSXf4kfOIlZQMFhyJNWWNi.YhRQRkDA4LJSWMzqRj94JaOsAwM- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20090221.161247.29455.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> References: <20090221.161247.29455.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <34C251BE-72F6-4520-86AD-867C327C93CE@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:22:06 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.86.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=6ZF5dwFudJkqWU4-prbviPIyX26LzIm3gSVgroKyrc604PXdVg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla The good thing is that if everyone pools their money, everyone can be well off. Capitalism will not do that. Its the most evil form of economic system on earth. It sets up oligarchy and causes governments to be kakistocratic. It is run by greed and is dog eat dog. Socialism works in Canada, England, Sweden, Norway, Finland and many other nations. They do seem to have a high standard of living and even national health care. Kevin On Feb 22, 2009, at 12:12 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Socialism works great - that is until we run out of other peoples > money to spend. From w6yn@juno.com Sat Feb 21 16:42:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71810 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 00:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2009 00:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 00:42:09 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE4BH46AT42W2A for (sender ); Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:42:04 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD+Klopflfbxn3X+lKEo+9Ds= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N9YDXCNQ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:41:30 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.43] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:40:54 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:40:54 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090221.164054.29455.2@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3114308219 X-MAIL-INFO:20cc25291d39e11d81599105313955189975adf5c531d1a8 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=R5feTHm5Po8l8KqzCV9aUXULBx_S6s6XiuBZ8lh6fQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Our government is certainly operated by the least qualified or most unprinc= ipled citizens. I don't blame a free market for having these persons in off= ice. There is another election down the road and perhaps they can be repla= ced.=20 When government provides any service, the control on service and quality is= rationing. This is what happens in the countries you list. Don -- kevin redding wrote: The good thing is that if everyone pools their money, everyone can be=20=20 well off. Capitalism will not do that. Its the most evil form of economic=20=20 system on earth. It sets up oligarchy and causes governments to be=20=20 kakistocratic. It is run by greed and is dog eat dog. Socialism works in Canada, England, Sweden, Norway, Finland and many=20=20 other nations. They do seem to have a high standard of living and=20=20 even national health care. Kevin On Feb 22, 2009, at 12:12 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Socialism works great - that is until we run out of other peoples=20=20 > money to spend. 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(big_h00pla@75.120.198.137 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 01:14:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yeHq.ekVM1l2EbfwPtsampKpW1sSGpTa5lG5LZW73gR5Uec4jKcqXUcDNLuufDrkZv4enY_M.L_OVZYcv0T8nJjFqteGGIPVQE7Q62xvaPYFIBAthRulANt2lPmLUiCaV3pEPDZnRhfYTF3FQvs2Z.KflPaUjDm_GdoKKEaAjWD3k9wGu1vzr7ZwwTQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20090221.164054.29455.2@webmail04.dca.untd.com> References: <20090221.164054.29455.2@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <032F36CB-0F5E-4E64-8A1C-E7AB17B03051@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:14:22 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=KkmATaWkXtV1KnEdZW9HsfWOmzbHdV4SiNn1s2Hon4JkB1eJBA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Feb 22, 2009, at 12:40 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > When government provides any service, the control on service and > quality is rationing. This is what happens in the countries you list. You need a reminder... On this Earth, there is nothing that matters in the war of ideas but results. Its time to talk about results. Let me remind you of what Americans think of conservatism, neo- conservatism, and the Republican party and the ideas you espouse. They have truly made your party extreme losers. In 2004 your party was busy passing laws that wrecked the constitution via the Patriot Act and giving big ass tax breaks to the rich and making it easy to ship jobs out of the country. Lets see the results of conservatives after the last two elections. Back then the 2008 party of whiny petulant children had everything, Judiciary, House, Senate and Executive Branches of government. Lets look at what the GOP had in 2004, while the worst president in history was in office. The House had 232 Republicans and 202 Democrats. The Senate had 55 Republicans and 45 Democrats. In 2006 the people spoke up and gave the Republicans a real ass blistering that should have awakened them to their stupidity but they had to keep giving to the rich, sending jobs out of the country, wasting money and lives in an unnecessary war, and hurting working people. This is the results.... In 2006, 31 seats were gained by the Democrats in the House. In 2006 5 seats were gained by the Democrats in the Senate. This gave us 233 Democrats in the House and 202 Republicans. This gave us 51 Democrats in the Senate and 49 Republicans. Seems like a good ass whippin to me. People said Republican ideas suck. Sorry boys. Republicans kept on with their WPE village idiot Bush so they got slapped again in 2008. (WPE = Worst President Ever) Here are the results: In 2008 the Democrats gained 21 seats in the House. In 2008 the Democrats gained 8 seats in the Senate. This gave us 257 Democrats in the House and 178 Republicans. This gave us 59 Democrats in the Senate and 41 Republicans. The people thought WPE Bush and Republicans sucked so badly, they kicked the crap out of John McCain and lost the Electoral College by 365 to 173. A serious ass whippin. A real ass stomping this time. In the last two elections Republicans lost 52 seats in the House. Republicans lost 13 seats in the Senate. They got the crap kicked out of them in the Presidential election. I love it when Republicans whine. I love it when I can show them the results of what the electorate thinks of their ideas. The people obviously think Republican ideas suck. Keep it up, the Republicans are gonna really get plowed in 2010. Then I will laugh at you again. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Feb 21 17:28:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22979 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 01:28:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2009 01:28:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 01:28:53 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c45.2958ec10 (48600) for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:28:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:31:03 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=K3mqBxXem4-U5Na889K-GT9fwOW5MCU5iHd1C9m2SkV4jre9r6v0C9zINUPVoqwK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/21/2009 6:14:58 PM Central Standard Time, w6yn@juno.com writes: > Socialism works great - that is until we run out of other peoples money to > spend. > That, my boy, is why Guttenberg invited the printing press. Getting back on topic, what do you think of integrating a CQUAM exciter and audio processor? Maybe I could get some stimulus funds for it. Mike ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sat Feb 21 18:10:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87879 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 02:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2009 02:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 02:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE4BN8KA6RAZYJ for (sender ); Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:09:13 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2Sz7Ja5jivihR9CU+TzkHo= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N9YJV6B7; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:08:14 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.43] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:07:43 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 02:07:43 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090221.180743.24292.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 21:10:934098993 X-MAIL-INFO:1f6d353974d9147480f96181d5d9d4adb90910952dd59064 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=GrminjuZINpv0gjQYKbaTBgSQaZkbbMdpgIEFU9LAw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn You can't seem to discuss any issue without going into a political rant. Yo= u have been asked many time to moderate your aggressive behavior but you se= em to have been unable to control yourself. Please have a little respect for others on this list. Issues can be discuss= ed without being disrespectful and/or abusive to others and resorting to pa= rtisan political rants. Don -- kevin redding wrote: You need a reminder... On this Earth, there is nothing that matters in the war of ideas but=20=20 results. Its time to talk about results. Let me remind you of what Americans think of conservatism, neo-=20 conservatism, and the Republican party and the ideas you espouse.=20=20 They have truly made your party extreme losers. In 2004 your party was busy passing laws that wrecked the=20=20 constitution via the Patriot Act and giving big ass tax breaks to the=20=20 rich and making it easy to ship jobs out of the country. Lets see the=20=20 results of conservatives after the last two elections. Back then the 2008 party of whiny petulant children had everything,=20=20 Judiciary, House, Senate and Executive Branches of government. Lets=20=20 look at what the GOP had in 2004, while the worst president in=20=20 history was in office. The House had 232 Republicans and 202 Democrats. The Senate had 55 Republicans and 45 Democrats. In 2006 the people spoke up and gave the Republicans a real ass=20=20 blistering that should have awakened them to their stupidity but they=20=20 had to keep giving to the rich, sending jobs out of the country,=20=20 wasting money and lives in an unnecessary war, and hurting working=20=20 people. This is the results.... In 2006, 31 seats were gained by the Democrats in the House. In 2006 5 seats were gained by the Democrats in the Senate. This gave us 233 Democrats in the House and 202 Republicans. This gave us 51 Democrats in the Senate and 49 Republicans. Seems like a good ass whippin to me. People said Republican ideas=20=20 suck. Sorry boys. Republicans kept on with their WPE village idiot Bush so they got=20=20 slapped again in 2008. (WPE =3D Worst President Ever) Here are the results: In 2008 the Democrats gained 21 seats in the House. In 2008 the Democrats gained 8 seats in the Senate. This gave us 257 Democrats in the House and 178 Republicans. This gave us 59 Democrats in the Senate and 41 Republicans. The people thought WPE Bush and Republicans sucked so badly, they=20=20 kicked the crap out of John McCain and lost the Electoral College by=20=20 365 to 173. A serious ass whippin. A real ass stomping this time. In the last two elections Republicans lost 52 seats in the House.=20=20 Republicans lost 13 seats in the Senate. They got the crap kicked out=20=20 of them in the Presidential election. I love it when Republicans whine. I love it when I can show them the=20=20 results of what the electorate thinks of their ideas. The people=20=20 obviously think Republican ideas suck. Keep it up, the Republicans are gonna really get plowed in 2010. Then=20=20 I will laugh at you again. Kevin On Feb 22, 2009, at 12:40 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > When government provides any service, the control on service and=20=20 > quality is rationing. This is what happens in the countries you list. =20=20 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Feb 21 18:12:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58159 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 02:12:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2009 02:12:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.41) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 02:12:39 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n14.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2009 02:12:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2009 02:12:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2009 02:12:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 329459.50686.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 16602 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 02:12:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.137 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 02:12:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9mVdmgEVM1kVsi1steW34n.6H7g9x8jiY3TVf6ZjWx3zCCcAU7tgwI0mO.rujKSMSDFAbhzA7JuVcvPbh5F4fsBXV0T.vZzYQ5K_VQ3MwEwpnzythevWTJDei_BAnxL_QXycFjRBfLg2ZvdfRd6PmtYhYs6xx9Fs.oDMjPjUl.gUPIay8_pBjdsv9B8- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20090221.180743.24292.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> References: <20090221.180743.24292.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <05105997-1C25-4657-9FF9-390541246D13@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:12:37 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=RCO-wXopTFjr9m4gnPFJsG3srLWbFL-D3d6XagyUoN2_UZs9ig X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Your ideas lost. On Feb 22, 2009, at 2:07 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > You can't seem to discuss any issue without going into a political > rant. You have been asked many time to moderate your aggressive > behavior but you seem to have been unable to control yourself. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Feb 21 19:31:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79694 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 03:31:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2009 03:31:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f173.google.com) (209.85.217.173) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 03:31:33 -0000 X-Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so4641768gxk.6 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:31:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.143.17 with SMTP id q17mr3000624and.29.1235273492982; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:31:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.37.157.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.37.157.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c40sm522244anc.28.2009.02.21.19.31.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:31:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <9E36A8AB-B6AD-497F-8DE2-B407C9443C71@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:31:25 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=6zaLIvJx7GezLrJnOCe00V7MH1Gk-9wJ-5D04C_fiS99xrZH7LAvfwobquqtEg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 21, 2009, at 2:19 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Kevin, > > I moderate another group. Might I suggest you slam your hand in a > car door. You might find it a more pleasurable experience than > moderating a Yahoo Group. I own 9 and Co-Moderate 8 Yahoo Groups now. They all run smooth as silk with no major problems. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Feb 21 19:32:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56904 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 03:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2009 03:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f158.google.com) (209.85.217.158) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 03:32:42 -0000 X-Received: by gxk2 with SMTP id 2so4223917gxk.8 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:32:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.14.2 with SMTP id 2mr2838989ann.79.1235273562165; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:32:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.37.157.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.37.157.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c40sm522244anc.28.2009.02.21.19.32.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:32:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <7189735D-5DF2-4ECE-98D7-A32ECD152F70@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <05105997-1C25-4657-9FF9-390541246D13@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:32:31 -0500 References: <20090221.180743.24292.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <05105997-1C25-4657-9FF9-390541246D13@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=TFJlOP-556Iw4RdbaKjwsOQWNxy0IufYAJQOQkexk573xWTRry2zNZlB-PyAVw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:12 PM, kevin redding wrote: > Your ideas lost. No, we are just plain old TIRED of Politics on a RADIO forum. Why don't you talk politics on your OWN Group? 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Feb 21 20:04:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60561 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 04:04:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2009 04:04:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173015pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 04:04:39 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KFG00EEM8NNCPZL@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:04:39 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <3FCFF6A8B3844991BC529C6482C14B96@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <20090221.161247.29455.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:04:36 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=hNBejI-H0b2PBaxV5XdVaTbRmP20jQhiwXqCz_STEvAwuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone once pointed out to me that there is nothing more socialistic than the military establishment. Paid for by the taxpayer, they get relatively automatic promotions and pay increases, subsidized housing, socialized medicine, lifelong retirement pay incurred a relatively early age, and free educational benefits, all paid for by the taxpayer. I don't say this to be critical in any way of the military, but rather to point out that conservatives are very comfortable with the socialistic way in which our miltiary system operates. I personally don't believe in socialism, but it's obvious that the conservatism of the last eight years hasn't worked either. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 7:12 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! Socialism works great - that is until we run out of other peoples money to spend. -- "Ian Davidson" wrote: From: kevin redding > This will be the gift and legacy of the Bush Administration. > He really gave way too much to the rich, the Chinese and > everyone but the working people. Now we are starting to > pay for that. OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! is sorta how I feel about responding to this thread, but I will say the following ... for the greater good. The trouble with democratic capitalism is that, unrestrained, it's simply so unfair. It's the survival of the fittest money managers. And many of them were born with a silver spoon in their mouth and had so many educational opportunities not available to the average Joe. Frankly the majority of people in many countries would actually be better off being ruled by an altruistic dictator than a totally free money market where the rich simply emasculate the poor. Some of these rich tyrants couldn't fight there way out of a wet paper bag. I'd like to see them survive in the old ages when survival of the physical fittest would render them paupers overnight. I am a democratic socialist (or socialist democrat if you prefer). I love having an equal vote in determining a government. I also think that good governments should promote equal opportunity. It starts with education, and of course health. A good government should ensure that all its citizens have a natural right to a decent basic education, and decent health treatment. It doesn't happen in America (or here to a certain extent) because of greed. The wealthy simply don't know when to stop ripping off the capitalist system. This has resulted in the international financial crisis. And the amazing thing is ... your (and our) system is so entrenched that when the bottom starts dropping out of it, it's the rich people's banks and automobile companies etc that get the governments (socialist!) cash handouts to try and right the wrongs caused by the greedy rich in the first place. Indulge me is suggesting a better system. One where money doesn't equate to what formerly was physical might. One where you could possibly evaluate results with a happiness index. The most important things that a government can do for its people is promote health and happiness in a secure environment. This is where capitalistic America has lost the plot. The government should regulate in favour of the majority of the people, whilst also ensuring minority groups aren't adversely disadvantaged and get a fair and equal go. They should redistribute income to the needy even if this results in a smaller overall GNI and GNP. Most people in any successful country like America would be happier receiving a fair slice of a smaller national cake than what happens now. To deny this results in poverty, crime, terrorism, and revolution. And please don't any of you suggest to me that America couldn't afford to do this. You've wasted trillions of dollars starting and losing wars in Vietnam and Iraq, killing and maiming millions of people. Even the limited expensive war in Afghanistan is becoming somewhat of a joke (sorry, I can't think of the right expression) because the reason for it seems to have disappeared. It was supposed to be about capturing Osama. What is it about now? And then there's all the trillions wasted of the ridiculous "starwars" defence program. If you were a better world citizen you wouldn't need such a fantastic (read fantasy) defence program. Instead of interfering with 50 countries since WWII, America would have been much better off if it had invested its wealth in its own needy citizens. I'd like to think it's never too late to start. Democracy and capitalism have worked pretty much better than any other system in the last 250 years. But maybe it's all gone a bit too far. It's time for Western democracies to legislate and regulate in favour of the vast majority of their citizens. Otherwise we will have capitalistic greed and all the chaos that it creates. And to people like our Scott. I'm not suggesting massive changes to the current system. I'm suggesting a different emphasis and focus. A government not ruled by money makers, lobbyists, and war makers. A government of the people, by the people, FOR THE PEOPLE. Wikipedia describes SOCIALISM as follows ... Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equal opportunities for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation You Americans won't have to worry about the dreadful daemon SOCIALISM in the rest of your natural lives. But many of you will have to admit it does look good. Don't you think it's about time that you embraced it a bit more? It's not something to be afraid of ... and most probably might end up in a better, fairer, more peaceful world. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Feb 22 06:50:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99066 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 14:50:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2009 14:50:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s3.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.206) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 14:50:24 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W4 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s3.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:50:23 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:50:23 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <05105997-1C25-4657-9FF9-390541246D13@yahoo.com> References: <20090221.180743.24292.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> <05105997-1C25-4657-9FF9-390541246D13@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2009 14:50:23.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[E450A690:01C994FC] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=1h2Sp79T_EbJj3Vj1-x_xIjWMI4-WlHJTlUPrhsN-h3C6qTqAxLO X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That does it! I am gone. MTGC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: big_h00pla@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:12:37 -0600 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! Your ideas lost. On Feb 22, 2009, at 2:07 AM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > You can't seem to discuss any issue without going into a political > rant. You have been asked many time to moderate your aggressive > behavior but you seem to have been unable to control yourself. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 09:11:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16976 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 17:11:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2009 17:11:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 17:11:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15514 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2009 17:11:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: n0szvjEVM1kAxRcJV.JhEvB4xIhPrSafLIQCMameRvHhmT.FL8Ej8A.H5TqeyI5CJP4_CH0UMUo3c52IpxxT_BTWrmNtvl8Ado8VGIahTzdTiYso9ZNW4CNyY9I6Ub8bUuMZ9p1d4Eluv6oDGBUWq639HTuhuf.Giy5fx6HOWtPTj2bYA6B9F2pIV75rOTWdedOp88XsTGgEBXWQAyRMaN7z X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:11:31 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:11:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <266717.15452.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: CQUAM and audio processor together X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=WivIm9-zYu0ahyIq9CVr-GT15IiVDEi4-AXEx-ZwgCY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Not a good idea. You don't want all of your eggs in one basket. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 2/21/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Getting back on topic, what do you think of integrating a > CQUAM exciter and > audio processor? Maybe I could get some stimulus funds for > it. > > Mike From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 09:12:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58305 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 17:12:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2009 17:12:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 17:12:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7559 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2009 17:12:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wKfUktEVM1l3IK7AxUbME6pR9s4KmeF_VKAT9x.RJWKjijQhxqzLu4borCcDHLQ4Sz5XNpYY.oyiUT9sPIyg9.hkUuJHEBolC6X1YwMKr84_g7KTbcX65TyPt75adFqQuJxydQ6KqUwDiGP8tfddYHyu_FG4nWuOwaanKPDY.sJciubY2arJBmSlGXFF8RZby2VpQlZWm_NGekYm_HRgp.acVy44DB2UrwOPM40q X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:12:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:12:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <7189735D-5DF2-4ECE-98D7-A32ECD152F70@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <453364.4674.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=CK3uNZgkQwGVvHxJeYzjcSOpN7JbCEHoNpbiccjNQ0s X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Phil and I would moderate him.... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 2/21/09, KJ4HYD wrote: > From: KJ4HYD > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:32 PM > On Feb 21, 2009, at 9:12 PM, kevin redding wrote: > > > Your ideas lost. > > No, we are just plain old TIRED of Politics on a RADIO > forum. Why > don't you talk politics on your OWN Group? > > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links > > > From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 10:04:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42956 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 18:04:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2009 18:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.220) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 18:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2009 18:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.64] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2009 18:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2009 18:04:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 309323.67826.bm@omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 79488 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 18:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.198.137 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 18:04:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: LFxTAt4VM1nhYjoTSU85mJ0aMkbnbv7yx7JRYQfOY9B8qoiYqAz_Q5ygssqjEhJ11eC1vCr0IlzWfDTXzqtQKOUlBPilk4vXCISzX5drE5.cU6x9OR3Dc3e9JdgPu7oWuX9QVs1Ox2vy3S91VXllE9VSUyjOmigMUQEzQOHcn2gzmeclFltcl0WVQiY- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <453364.4674.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <453364.4674.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:04:29 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Vn2GwgDIyYYvPjH_tykZgewRAjitmg5eLVmEuGQYjVLqwjf6EQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla As you should. On Feb 22, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Phil and I would moderate him.... From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Feb 22 13:42:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55952 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2009 21:42:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2009 21:42:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 21:42:38 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.236] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090222154231002871600012.0) with SMTP id <20090222154231002871600012> for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:42:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002201c99537$4a520940$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <005301c993b9$572a69c0$d503fea9@stodd> <006d01c993bb$c983df40$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:42:31 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Wish me luck- was Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=iRse83RIkau6h2dZEjw4K_wxTCEPSpB59tpFWBice4j1ie6V9l0A X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That I am. I welcome the change. Wish me luck, everyone. I just saw the CE at KUOM last Thursday and I'm going there tomorrow. I purposely laid off asking him when he was going to resume stereo broadcasting and instead asked him about touring his transmitter site. It's not only home to their station, but there are some FM stations which have aux transmitters there, plus channel 4 TV moved their aux to the site when channel 2 moved their main to the big towers in Shoreview back in the early 70s. Channel 4 is dismantling their aux analog and I'm going there to ostensibly get some tubes and other parts. Would like to get both visual and aural exciters too. Anyhoo, while I'm there, I'll ask for the honors of turning the stereo generator back on. I just hope he's OK with that. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I am ready to lay off politics for a while if you are. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Feb 22 16:55:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94946 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2009 00:55:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2009 00:55:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2009 00:55:45 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c37.4aa5e3e2 (65098) for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:55:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:55:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM and audio processor together X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=N8bFMYvq-mi5aVbDW7x49mpPUi33se9nANbZ8KXmMHIv-oRTXHGM0WsK-yc8BYVp X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/22/2009 11:12:10 AM Central Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Not a good idea. > > You don't want all of your eggs in one basket. > The reason I made this suggestion is to standardized signal processing, much like was done on Stereo TV which was very successful. The efficient and modern why to generate the CQUAM signal is DSP. Close integration of the audio signal processing and CQUAM generation would have many advantages. Mike ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Feb 22 17:01:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31301 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2009 01:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2009 01:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2009 01:01:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c66.4a031bd1 (65098) for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:01:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:01:14 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: Wish me luck- was Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=k5sATRXzWWGf5koEG_CFcjvnLnisXWls1zBj5ASdtWDA5LV-f9W4dVoNGWGN4KCf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good luck, Scott. Sounds like a tall tower with a heavy top load. If there has been alot icing in your area, you might pick another day if the transmitter shed is right under the tower. I saw what an hunk of tower ice from an FM tower did to a Toyota. Mike ************** Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 17:11:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71031 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2009 01:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2009 01:11:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2009 01:11:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26605 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2009 01:11:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gs4rPAkVM1m4iq1fWomHBWCQioNPoi8tRNvFPmZZlwunfK8aVy_olDkCgg2WQiV7J7zETrX3ooyQruJyoPc0neUQFclcgpJTS1Ih8aPtHO9T_FXzNCLsYZS4TOuu6YbdWlmqho7qUvEnxBvxfbYSF5yCjEzmWhQJOKwdRXp4k4lpVxKPepOpEw104CMJar_QCzysDBFd._cG.azzd6iIv6j7ZweJj_knaVz270flLXMxC3MADwtlp.oL X-Received: from [64.223.33.165] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:11:36 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:11:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002201c99537$4a520940$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <746728.24560.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Wish me luck- was Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=j6u-MgFDCnxzUInvZjIDNEXzk4k2M1EQ0kAbcPP1DasTQkwaPL58 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, I wish you the most luck possible @ a little suaveness while I'm at it!=A0 = Be smoove!=A0 Sweettalk that xmtr. back to stereo!=A0 Wow, I need more slee= p! 73, Jay (N1WVQ, WQBI410) --- On Sun, 2/22/09, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrot= e: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Wish me luck- was Re: {AMSF} Re: OFF TOPIC OH MY GOD!!!! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 4:42 PM =20=20=20=20 That I am. I welcome the change.=20=20 Wish me luck, everyone. I just saw the CE at KUOM last Thursday and I'm go= ing there tomorrow. I purposely laid off asking him when he was going to r= esume stereo broadcasting and instead asked him about touring his transmitt= er site. It's not only home to their station, but there are some FM statio= ns which have aux transmitters there, plus channel 4 TV moved their aux to = the site when channel 2 moved their main to the big towers in Shoreview bac= k in the early 70s. Channel 4 is dismantling their aux analog and I'm going there to ostensibly= get some tubes and other parts. Would like to get both visual and aural e= xciters too. Anyhoo, while I'm there, I'll ask for the honors of turning t= he stereo generator back on. I just hope he's OK with that. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kevin redding=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 I am ready to lay off politics for a while if you are.=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 19:37:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93940 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2009 03:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2009 03:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2009 03:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2009 03:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2009 03:37:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:37:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <266717.15452.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.173 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: CQUAM and audio processor together X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=qY1sIkYsY7mxCtW7EuWQpUWra4L7lLpszEYNc0OH4PZHocELmg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Why a bad idea? Wouldn't it be like the great Orban Optimod FM=20 Stereo (the best line of processor/stereo exciter that I ever know)? By the way, I don't know why Orban has never produced an integrated=20 Optimod AM Stereo with a C-QUAM exciter included. Do you? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III"=20 wrote: > > Not a good idea.=20 >=20 >=20 > You don't want all of your eggs in one basket. >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Getting back on topic, what do you think of integrating a > > CQUAM exciter and=20 > > audio processor? Maybe I could get some stimulus funds for > > it. > >=20 > > Mike > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 20:02:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19902 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2009 04:02:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2009 04:02:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2009 04:02:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2009 04:02:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2009 04:02:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:02:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.24 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: CQUAM and audio processor together X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=VLSCVvwGoO0ng0K9AbIyWBQo32SqIGqbVQYYc0T5L7JRZRnb-w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 2/22/2009 11:12:10 AM Central Standard Time,=20 > w4opw@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Not a good idea.=20 > >=20 > > You don't want all of your eggs in one basket. > >=20 >=20 > The reason I made this suggestion is to standardized signal=20 processing, much=20 > like was done on Stereo TV which was very successful. >=20 > The efficient and modern why to generate the CQUAM signal is DSP.=20=20 Close=20 > integration of the audio signal processing and CQUAM generation=20 would have many=20 > advantages. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Knowing the risk to be trated as an idiot, I think if you will use=20 DSP to generate a very good AM stereo signal, it would be=20 preferable/better to use ISB instead C-QUAM. Why? 1) ISB is pure AM. 2) ISB is strongest (while you can hear something of the analog=20 sound, you'll get stereo separation). In other words, ISB will cover=20 all your coverage area, C-QUAM not. (However, I guess it is a C-QUAM=20 receiver pre-defined stereo threshold issue only). 3) If you get a very good DSP processing, the ISB stereo separation=20 will be better than C-QUAM, because you don't need any audio matrix=20 (with the direct ISB way, not the original Kahn way). Of course, everybody knows the only LEGAL system is C-QUAM...=20 UNFORTUNATELY!!! However, I'm not sure if the today PC technology could give us=20 enough room because the highest values of MW carrier frecuencies. I=20 mean, if we want to produce a 1260 KHZ carrier, we need 4 times (at=20 least) this value as digital rated, and I'm not sure if a typical=20 today PC processor, with typical today software, could work at that=20 speed. The only way I see clearly would be: 1) Use DSP to produce a low carrier frecuency (let's say 50 KHZ). 2) Modulate it with the desireable AM stereo system, all in the=20 digital domain. 3) Convert the full modulated signal from digital to analog. 4) Multiply it to get our final desireable MW carrier frecuency. I'm not sure if all this process will generate an audio delay but...=20 it's what it is!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Feb 23 01:13:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64688 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2009 09:13:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2009 09:13:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2009 09:13:01 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d28.41de660f (29673) for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:12:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:12:58 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM and audio processor together X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=0i29c9qK1MahzfyOTaAbYrO1p62WksBO611Va8d7e-09-z8I3uP3L-Gi3ayYcxnb X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Why I say it would be a preferable to integrated some form of standardized signal processing with the generation of the CQUAM signal is because the audio limiting function is rather complex. It's not just limiting the absolute level of L and R as well as L+R. Essentially, the limiter would have to generate the CQUAM function to determine when to limit. If it generates the CQUAM function, why not add the buffers and bells and whistles for it to generate the actual CQUAM signal? When it comes to speed, here is what is necessary. To digitally generate the CQUAM signal, an instantaneous amplitude of the RF output must be calculated from the instantaneous value of the L and R audio inputs. This calculation involves a trigonometric function which is multiple operations. The highest carrier frequency in the AM broadcast band is 1.7 Mhz. To get 10-bit true resolution, this calculation must be done 1024 times in each RF cycle, or 1,740,800,000 times per second. That is far beyond the capabilities of a general purpose processor. This requires dedicated specific function machine implemented with the fast logic available, which is Emitter Coupled Logic, or ECL. The machine is a computational engine. So my CQUAM generator is an ECL Engine. The basic ECL Engine can general any kind of signal where the output is a function of two inputs. It can be programmed to generate ISB, DSB with full carrier, DSB with reduced carrier, DSB with suppressed carrier. It can output a single parallel digital word for absolute instantaneous output, two digital outputs with phase information for driving a phase to amplitude modulation (Ampliphase) output, or two digital outputs with composite audio and carrier phase information. My transmitter uses the Ampliphase output to directly generate the actual RF output. This allows an output efficiency in excess of 80%, yeilding 80 milliwatts rms RF with 100 mW DC input. The same outputs can drive optically coupled solid state drivers which can directly drive the output tubes of a 50kW Ampliphase transmitter. The tubes would run switchmode Class E for even less dissipation and higher efficiency than the original Class C. My hope is to built a retrofit for all the old Ampliphase transmitters. Unlike the old RCA exciters, the ECL Engine is rock solid (literally). As anyone who has worked with the Ampliphase transmitters can attest, the power supply and final RF design was top notch and reliable. It was the exciter that was the problem. Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 10:14:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2848 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2009 18:14:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2009 18:14:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2009 18:14:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2009 18:14:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2009 18:14:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:14:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.122 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM and audio processor together X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=GfTTlplYtGtAJpnWHW1cvVe2DEQrqQR6PJRI3dUyB2awdumpqw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Mike!!! I need to know more about that ECL device because I don't know it=20 (hehehehe). Do you want to share more information, please? Do you think it would be possible to make a C-QUAM exciter, full=20 compatible with any vacuum tube AM TX? I mean plate modulated=20 devices. What do you think about to generate all the signal at a lowest=20 frecuency value (let's say 50 KHZ), in the digital domain, and then=20 convert it to the analog world and multiply it to reach our wanted=20 final carrier? At last, Do all this digital process add some significant time delay=20 to the original audio signal? By the way, if somebody knows a good price place where I can find 4=20 NEW Eimac 4-1000A tubes, please let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > Why I say it would be a preferable to integrated some form of=20 standardized=20 > signal processing with the generation of the CQUAM signal is=20 because the audio=20 > limiting function is rather complex. It's not just limiting the=20 absolute level=20 > of L and R as well as L+R. Essentially, the limiter would have to=20 generate=20 > the CQUAM function to determine when to limit. If it generates=20 the CQUAM=20 > function, why not add the buffers and bells and whistles for it to=20 generate the=20 > actual CQUAM signal? >=20 > When it comes to speed, here is what is necessary. To digitally=20 generate the=20 > CQUAM signal, an instantaneous amplitude of the RF output must be=20 calculated=20 > from the instantaneous value of the L and R audio inputs. This=20 calculation=20 > involves a trigonometric function which is multiple operations.=20=20=20 The highest=20 > carrier frequency in the AM broadcast band is 1.7 Mhz. To get 10- bit true=20 > resolution, this calculation must be done 1024 times in each RF=20 cycle, or=20 > 1,740,800,000 times per second. That is far beyond the=20 capabilities of a general=20 > purpose processor. This requires dedicated specific function=20 machine implemented=20 > with the fast logic available, which is Emitter Coupled Logic, or=20 ECL. The=20 > machine is a computational engine. So my CQUAM generator is an=20 ECL Engine. >=20 > The basic ECL Engine can general any kind of signal where the=20 output is a=20 > function of two inputs. It can be programmed to generate ISB, DSB=20 with full=20 > carrier, DSB with reduced carrier, DSB with suppressed carrier.=20=20 It can output a=20 > single parallel digital word for absolute instantaneous output,=20 two digital=20 > outputs with phase information for driving a phase to amplitude=20 modulation=20 > (Ampliphase) output, or two digital outputs with composite audio=20 and carrier phase=20 > information. >=20 > My transmitter uses the Ampliphase output to directly generate the=20 actual RF=20 > output. This allows an output efficiency in excess of 80%,=20 yeilding 80=20 > milliwatts rms RF with 100 mW DC input. The same outputs can=20 drive optically=20 > coupled solid state drivers which can directly drive the output=20 tubes of a 50kW=20 > Ampliphase transmitter. The tubes would run switchmode Class E=20 for even less=20 > dissipation and higher efficiency than the original Class C. >=20 > My hope is to built a retrofit for all the old Ampliphase=20 transmitters.=20=20 > Unlike the old RCA exciters, the ECL Engine is rock solid=20 (literally). As anyone=20 > who has worked with the Ampliphase transmitters can attest, the=20 power supply=20 > and final RF design was top notch and reliable. It was the=20 exciter that was=20 > the problem. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************** > Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your=20 > neighborhood today.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3DTax+Return+Preparation+% 26+Filing&ncid=3Demlcntusyelp00000004) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 18:12:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7159 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2009 02:12:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2009 02:12:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2009 02:12:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2009 02:12:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2009 02:12:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:12:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.179 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Another Old Vintage Mike X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ZQrwv_YKwk0QJZ4d4G8ewPM5UPHvSBQDSrU3bRScprKnO2omiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I've found other relics in my house this weekend. Now I found the best- known Shure Unidyne 556C. It looks and it is so good, with a great=20 sound!!! The only one problem I have is... it has High Impedance Output (I=20 guess near 15000 Ohms) and it doesn't have any other connection pins.=20 I connected it directly to my Tascam M-208 and I didn't have any=20 noticeable problem. But, as the standard impedance is lowest, my=20 question is... Is it possible to change it? How? I mean, inside the=20 mike box. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Feb 23 22:30:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28622 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2009 06:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2009 06:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2009 06:30:01 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d17.40e9a373 (39952) for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:29:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:29:55 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Old Vintage Mike X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CbIMEb-Ojmrccwl2MDYhokyCcO7eBJYt_C2Cod_cHAdRl8M8cdL3Hf0Wx8bTbURW X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I am poking around the cobwebs, but I seem to recall it converting the mic to low impedance involved changing a connector pin(s). Most consumer electronics works with the "high impedance" mode. Professional equipment is low impedance balanced to allow for longer cables and less noise pickup. Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 05:42:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85226 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2009 13:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2009 13:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web84003.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.173) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2009 13:42:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87551 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2009 13:42:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lt1hProVM1m6Bpa8ZIrzqs2E.Tyx5PKpOhmYbh5UfUwxgu.b9wz4z4MEUlf_E_NSf02zmGEtwT9A3bTKtrRj6Wx1lfQwjYPR0QniMRq_iSsqzqNM4u1nmrB.cDtdccJJAzLmqbdsCIIBX2a4GKDk2qr661uMVldDoBdM7Ao5u3CgQ81OPsG3HnAHX0Ase5TZQVKxJ_74RgFX4frnNwfhOW3E8aPv X-Received: from [71.97.205.99] by web84003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:42:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:42:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <176107.86732.qm@web84003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Reply-To: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM and audio processor together X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=1rS8fIaG0NxLmy7bTyWysb3csevs1VAO_2r3QLbU2K4vpZovEOBg X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan & All, =A0 Circuits Research Labs (CRL) provided many AM Stereo processors in the earl= y 1980's.=A0 Please remember that Motorola did not want much (L-R) energy c= ontent in the AM Stereo signal.=A0 Motorola had an excellent monoaural perf= ormance in their AM Stereo signal, and decreased to the rest of the AM Ster= eo pack with added (L-R) energy contained in the signal.=A0 Because of that= , Motorola had no reason to encourage heavy (L-R) audio processing densitie= s.=A0 CRL cooperated, although CRL did make a special version of their audi= o processor for the Magnavox signal.=A0 The Magnavox signal could tolerate = heavy modulation in just one channel (left or right), meaning that the enve= lope AND the phase functions could both be at full modulation.=A0 This gave= 6 dB more audio, but the (L-R) channel noise floor being equal to the (L+R= ) noise floor ment the SNR only could increase by 3 dB.=A0 However, that ta= kes a 50 KW signal to the equivanent of a 100 KW signal, a fact the broadcasters wished to ignor. =A0 Bob --- On Sun, 2/22/09, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM and audio processor together To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 10:37 PM Why a bad idea? Wouldn't it be like the great Orban Optimod FM=20 Stereo (the best line of processor/stereo exciter that I ever know)? By the way, I don't know why Orban has never produced an integrated=20 Optimod AM Stereo with a C-QUAM exciter included. Do you? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III"=20 wrote: > > Not a good idea.=20 >=20 >=20 > You don't want all of your eggs in one basket. >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Sat, 2/21/09, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Getting back on topic, what do you think of integrating a > > CQUAM exciter and=20 > > audio processor? Maybe I could get some stimulus funds for > > it. > >=20 > > Mike > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 24 08:21:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80017 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2009 16:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2009 16:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2009 16:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d33.4ca0419c (39332) for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:20:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:20:59 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM and audio processor together X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FhFEddeD7onMEsEfFRj-k9p9qfDCdDbjcQlGw02swyLF7SPHZkDvn4zltzJ-6Elz X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Bob. By signal processing, I mean audio signal processing such as compression, limiting, filtering, etc.. I don't mean how the CQUAM signal is generated. That is mathematically defined and, if faithfully executed, is a constant. That equation defines how much single channel modulation can be achieved within a given amplitude - phase operating locus boundary. There may be some audio processing techniques that blend the L and R channels above a certain level to limit the phase modulation of the RF signal. That is, 100% single channel modulation can be achieved with the total loss of separation. However, the loss of separation only occurs above 70% or so modulation. Psychoacoustically, I don't know what that would sound like. As Bob mentions, one of the limitations of AMS is signal to noise ratio. That is what dbx, or a similar process, could achieve. The idea would be to compress the signal in a recoverable manner that would sound satisfactory. Type 2 dbx comes very close to that. Close enough, I believe, with some teaking, could work. Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 24 08:50:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85341 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2009 16:50:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2009 16:50:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.210) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2009 16:50:09 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c3d.5094d12d (39332) for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:49:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:49:58 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Old Vintage Mike X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FL4SApUaUK81P750sonfLERfb3rLgK3bADV2iuDWxjLa07UjrCiJv_yC3cF_gTMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I sent you the datasheet for the Shure 556. It looks alot like the 55S which I am more familar with. The 55S has a small screw selector switch on the bottom of the case that set the impedance. It looks like the native impedance of the 556 is 50 ohms. There is a transformer that steps up the impedance to 100,000 ohms. That mic was made in the late 40s, so it was for tube equipment. My guess is you can bypass the internal transformer and use the cartridge output directly to drive the balanced low impedance XLR inputs of the Tascam. Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 18:27:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88004 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2009 02:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2009 02:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2009 02:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2009 02:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2009 02:27:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:27:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.246 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Old Vintage Mike X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ldQQYATj10XEKGwPujS0k9chaGyUjW7AWX-nTzvT8_4c6UEO8w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > I sent you the datasheet for the Shure 556. It looks alot like=20 the 55S which=20 > I am more familar with. The 55S has a small screw selector switch=20 on the=20 > bottom of the case that set the impedance. >=20 > It looks like the native impedance of the 556 is 50 ohms. There=20 is a=20 > transformer that steps up the impedance to 100,000 ohms. That mic=20 was made in the=20 > late 40s, so it was for tube equipment. >=20 > My guess is you can bypass the internal transformer and use the=20 cartridge=20 > output directly to drive the balanced low impedance XLR inputs of=20 the Tascam. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! Of course I'll test the bypass mode!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 24 18:41:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74015 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2009 02:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2009 02:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2009 02:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2009 02:41:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2009 02:41:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:41:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <176107.86732.qm@web84003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.246 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM and audio processor together X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=lwQ7GkjN5bo6tT-ao1L6XWlvCok_60f4hrDPKGMSgJlbYVfkJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Robert Streeter=20 wrote: > > Juan & All, > =A0 > Circuits Research Labs (CRL) provided many AM Stereo processors in=20 the early 1980's.=A0 Please remember that Motorola did not want much=20 (L-R) energy content in the AM Stereo signal.=A0 Motorola had an=20 excellent monoaural performance in their AM Stereo signal, and=20 decreased to the rest of the AM Stereo pack with added (L-R) energy=20 contained in the signal.=A0 Because of that, Motorola had no reason to=20 encourage heavy (L-R) audio processing densities.=A0 CRL cooperated,=20 although CRL did make a special version of their audio processor for=20 the Magnavox signal.=A0 The Magnavox signal could tolerate heavy=20 modulation in just one channel (left or right), meaning that the=20 envelope AND the phase functions could both be at full modulation.=A0=20 This gave 6 dB more audio, but the (L-R) channel noise floor being=20 equal to the (L+R) noise floor ment the SNR only could increase by 3=20 dB.=A0 However, that takes a 50 KW signal to the equivanent of a 100=20 KW signal, a fact the > broadcasters wished to ignor. > =A0 > Bob >=20 Hi Bob!!! Because your comment, I don't understand why Orban never made an=20 Optimod-AM processor WITH the C-QUAM generator inside it. According to the paper specs, Orban wasted a lot of time and money=20 to get the perfect modulation to C-QUAM (limiting the L+R negative=20 peaks to avoid any "silent" carrier and also limiting the L-R=20 channel to avoid any problem when there is only one channel=20 sounding). Then... Why they didn't make the next step? I understand the best stand-alone C-QUAM exciter was (still is?) the=20 Delta Electronics ASM-1. Am I right? Whatever, with the price of=20 both Orban Optimod-AM and Delta Electronics C-QUAM exciter I can=20 build, with chilean devices, a whole AM station here!!!=20 Hahahahaha!!! I must to win the National Lottery to get that dreamed=20 elements!!! It would be a very great deal to try to transmit a pure Magnavox=20 signal and then "hear" it with a C-QUAM tuner. How much stereo=20 separation could we get with this special combo? Because, I guess,=20 something of the Magnavox L-R signal must be useful in the C-QUAM=20 receiver, or not? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 24 22:03:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14771 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2009 06:03:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 25 Feb 2009 06:03:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2009 06:03:49 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.ca6.3f6ad37b (39331) for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:03:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:03:44 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Old Vintage Mike X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=x4kxnb4EIX6aIKmJ4bUyBciNHf8YF0EmT5ZzGzigHsn4q9SmxxeJnGHd9L775ClY X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, It looks like the 556 did not use a connector, but rather a dedicated cable. Remember when you go to low impedance to use a good quality two-conductor shielded mic cable. Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Feb 25 08:38:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99930 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2009 16:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2009 16:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2009 16:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail06.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.146]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE4L697A37YDSS for (sender ); Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:38:21 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2M2/7+oLimxu0njLyF/K/Y= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail06.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id N99TVCL3; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:38:15 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.43] by webmail06.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:37:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:37:40 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090225.083740.20160.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:1277703965 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.146|webmail06.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Radio Intruder 7am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=ERMdFvU4gd7iohOt2Cmu8kwKcFVwLE_qzUnqEoonBg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn An intruder bursts into the six-station Clear Channel cluster building in M= odesto, California. 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From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 25 11:04:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20479 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2009 19:04:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2009 19:04:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2009 19:04:20 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c99.426c1f5e (14502) for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:04:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:04:04 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Intruder 7am X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=HkFBSbaiZDAXCWlDhUWkO1qZVU_M9pjXXu6DxNVxvnjdr449p8IQG0rMhPgadchC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a good example of how not to pursuade a station to go AM Stereo. A more subtle approach is required in most, though perhaps not all, situations. Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 13:48:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51155 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2009 21:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2009 21:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2009 21:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2009 21:48:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2009 21:48:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:48:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.90 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Another Old Vintage Mike X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=GaVmfz-I8P8g_F181gQk90cdxCMz5IgisyGUL7NlKL59tw86rg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thank you so much for your advice!!! It's a little hard to dismantle the transformer part without to cut=20 the very small wires. I'll take a break this week to give me=20 more "trust in my fingers". Then I'll test the mike in low impedance. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > It looks like the 556 did not use a connector, but rather a=20 dedicated cable.=20=20 > Remember when you go to low impedance to use a good quality two- conductor=20 > shielded mic cable. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in=20 > your neighborhood today.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3DTax+Return+Preparation+% 26+Filing&ncid=3Demlcntusyelp00000004) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 14:05:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44047 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2009 22:05:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2009 22:05:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2009 22:05:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2009 22:05:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2009 22:05:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:05:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.169 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Vacuum tubes questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=rHITVFHGT4eNDJJoAbWHlJcIvNwhZBrQHg-lWTCQOXGgNDsQeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I've looked for some information about the audio vacuum tubes=20 technology and I've found some kind of "reborn" about these=20 old "bottles". As I'm not full related with that technology (The only device with=20 tubes I have ever worked, I mean where I've put my finger, is our=20 main AM TX, and this is radio not audio), I have some questions: 1) How much electric energy a vacuum tube eats in comparison with a=20 typical transistor? 2) Which is the expected life of a vacuum tube, again, in comparison=20 with a transistor? 3) Does somebody have found some practical use to all the extra heat=20 dissipation energy? 4) What about the electromagnetic interferences? Who produces more:=20 a vacuum tube or a transistor? 5) Can the audio vacuum tubes work with low voltage, let's say 12=20 Volts or less? Excuse my ignorance about it. Here, in Chile, the audio vacuum tubes=20 amplifiers, receivers, etc. disappeared in 1970 (when I was 10), so=20 I could know some devices but just as an accident. I remember the=20 very great sound from it, of course. But I need to clear some ideas=20 about it. Thanks for your time. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Feb 25 14:28:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79950 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2009 22:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2009 22:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2009 22:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.208] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090225162743002617600017.0) with SMTP id <20090225162743002617600017> for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:27:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003201c99799$1e851b40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:27:43 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM and audio processor together X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=KXyIfWu0N1kuUezjG-GvkVGvsSGS4p3arizs5GLlZji0hbz37PCw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let me guess- an old McMartin 2.5K? They were good sounding transmitters but they ate tubes. Those 4-1000s are pretty pricey. You're unlikely to find any on the cheap. You might want to try RF Parts. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:15 PM By the way, if somebody knows a good price place where I can find 4 NEW Eimac 4-1000A tubes, please let me know. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Feb 25 14:51:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55248 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2009 22:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2009 22:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2009 22:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.208] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090225165047000410700014.0) with SMTP id <20090225165047000410700014> for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:50:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008e01c9979c$56b40320$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:50:47 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: KUOM redux X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bIbAxn8u_RQw9D0i7BNcigYg0fP_p0WbGPR3-6mq_VsP1kn3gvFZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, folks, I didn't get to flip the switch as there was no switch to flip! I saw the mod monitor still in the rack but the stereo generator was nowhere to be found. So I asked a few more questions and found out they still have it but it's in storage. Their transmitter is one of the original Nautel ND-5s made before the FCC had even decided to allow AM stereo. I asked why he hadn't resumed stereo broadcasting when they got their new antenna tuning unit since I was under the impression the old one was too narrow-band to use for stereo, and I found out he had the new one designed for when the tower would be minus the old batwing TV antenna on top. Gotta hand it to that guy for thinking it wouldn't be up there too much longer. Right now the ATU is at the edge of it's range of adjustments. Once the batwing goes away he'll retune the ATU and reinstall the stereo generator, so there's reason for optimism! I suspect it'll be sometime mid summer when it happens. I see him almost every month at the local SBE meetings so I'll keep you posted. And I did manage to snag the TV exciters, though getting them out was a pain. A TV transmitter is so much more work to disassemble than an AM or FM. I did manage to score some nice filament transformers in the process though. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Feb 25 15:00:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46047 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2009 23:00:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2009 23:00:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.145) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2009 23:00:17 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so281695qwj.18 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:00:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.54.83 with SMTP id p19mr1279052qag.97.1235602817375; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:00:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.37.95.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.37.95.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm3414457qwg.44.2009.02.25.15.00.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:00:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <0AEA28B1-D737-47B9-939F-C7BD3A34A17A@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003201c99799$1e851b40$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:00:10 -0500 References: <003201c99799$1e851b40$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM and audio processor together X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=VOHwGu3C8k58-tt4DPfSxFONREme_ZIVE2gU-WZTYuWaSXEqD_N18LJenlvU3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > By the way, if somebody knows a good price place where I can find 4 > NEW Eimac 4-1000A tubes, please let me know. You won't. They have been out of production for a while. Best you can get now are Chinese. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Feb 25 15:06:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16220 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2009 23:06:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2009 23:06:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2009 23:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.208] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090225170541002779900010.0) with SMTP id <20090225170541002779900010> for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:05:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009f01c9979e$6b6248c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:05:41 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vacuum tubes questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=pVAgZ2NOdYpaYL6IoE_mj80VAUs3cG1-68tm6fwOgdCL9osxXdPi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1) In most cases quite a bit more. Some battery tubes were pretty frugal but having a filament to light at all even if it is only 25mA at 1.5V is something that could run quite a few transistors. 2) depended a lot upon manufacturing. 3000 hours was pretty typical of consumer receiving tubes, though there were some premium 10,000 hour types made for broadcast and other more critical uses. Western Electric even made some for the under seas cables that could last 10 years. I've seen some transistors fail in a short time under normal use but mostly they'll last for decades if they're not abused in any way- too hot, too high voltage, etc. 3) Not really. There have been exceptions. KJNP in North Pole, AK used to heat their entire building with the waste heat from their VP-50 transmitter, and a 5000W transmitter could keep a transmitter building warm in the winter, but the smaller pieces of equipment don't generate enough heat to be useful for any secondary purpose. 4) not quite sure what you mean. A glass tube sometimes needs shielding to keep stray interference from it, or possibly keep it from radiating if it's oscillating. A metal tube would be immune. 5) Yes. In fact there were a series of tubes introduced in the late 50s especially made to operate on 12V. A lot of older types will too, but you have to put a bit of a positive voltage on the control grid and then use the screen as the control grid instead. Google "Hikers Set" and you'll find some old time circuits that did just that. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com 1) How much electric energy a vacuum tube eats in comparison with a typical transistor? 2) Which is the expected life of a vacuum tube, again, in comparison with a transistor? 3) Does somebody have found some practical use to all the extra heat dissipation energy? 4) What about the electromagnetic interferences? Who produces more: a vacuum tube or a transistor? 5) Can the audio vacuum tubes work with low voltage, let's say 12 Volts or less? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Feb 25 15:35:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25349 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2009 23:35:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2009 23:35:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.145) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2009 23:35:52 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so304136qwa.38 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:35:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.14.205 with SMTP id h13mr1276904qaa.224.1235604951853; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:35:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.37.95.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.37.95.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.95]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm1867851yxk.32.2009.02.25.15.35.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:35:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008e01c9979c$56b40320$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:35:44 -0500 References: <008e01c9979c$56b40320$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} KUOM redux X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=8bG5Zeoum4x4MVm2l7D0FaKsOlBUyW5bQ2ciRywq8MUx2eregnByQHr9O--6aw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 25, 2009, at 5:50 PM, wrote: > And I did manage to snag the TV exciters, though getting them out > was a pain. A TV transmitter is so much more work to disassemble > than an AM or FM. I did manage to score some nice filament > transformers in the process though. KEWL! I am sure you got yourself a GOLD MINE of parts! 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Feb 25 16:09:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57534 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 00:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 00:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 00:09:11 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.208] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090225180751000973400010.0) with SMTP id <20090225180751000973400010> for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:07:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00cd01c997a7$1b203d00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <008e01c9979c$56b40320$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:07:51 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KUOM redux X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=7stu3zfClRGx6BSWtuf-eXZ_7qw4-9rncai3Ju9VgMh8kQsNbtcX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not that many, unfortunately. The bulk of the transmitter is still there and I'll be going back for more in a few weeks. I was rather disappointed in RCA's choice of tubes- 3CX3000A7s in the aural PA and some oddball coaxially-based ones as the drivers. Would have been more ham friendly if it had 4CX250s. I might pull some of the smaller iron and power supply caps. Will salvage most of the meters if nobody else gets them first. You'd be surprised at how little there is to these things despite their mechanical complexity. Most everything occurs in the three card cages with all the visual and aural exciters, each outputting about 20W. After that there's an IPA stage with one tube for the aural and two in the visual, then their respective PA tubes. The rest is metering wiring and interlock/idiot-proofing and the combiner in the center cabinet. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ4HYD To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:35 PM KEWL! I am sure you got yourself a GOLD MINE of parts! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk Wed Feb 25 18:42:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereofan@v21mail.co.uk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86537 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 02:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 02:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 02:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2009 02:41:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2009 02:41:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 02:41:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 93.97.170.83 From: "Dave" Subject: OT : MY DRM / DAB Radio FS on ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113985069; y=EQV-hCa2vNVwePq-OTHQaEdSgrOaSaLU6Azh3kkTNfOCF1z7fg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereofan Last day and a half just trying to get the price up a bit :) http://tinyurl.com/d7p6x9 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Feb 25 22:02:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50804 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 06:02:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 06:02:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 06:02:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2009 06:02:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2009 06:02:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:01:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0AEA28B1-D737-47B9-939F-C7BD3A34A17A@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.169 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM and audio processor together X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=SwcJ41xmwEUWjWSAZgfi0dyoheVIDP5U0lA6ZGPHRWUbin_jeA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Are you kidding me? I NEED THESE TUBES!!! My old McMartin BA-2.5K uses it!!! I think to change the TX for another one 100% solid state, but it=20 depends about my local bank and you know it isn't so easy as we want=20 it must be. Is it possible to get it from another USA or Europe manufacter? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > >=20 > > By the way, if somebody knows a good price place where I can=20 find 4=20=20 > > NEW Eimac 4-1000A tubes, please let me know. >=20 > You won't. They have been out of production for a while. Best you=20 can=20=20 > get now are Chinese. >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Feb 26 06:48:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72866 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 14:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 14:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 14:48:03 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so434468yxm.59 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:48:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.14.2 with SMTP id 2mr1469795ann.79.1235659682464; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:48:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.32.29.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.32.29.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.32.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d22sm2744460and.7.2009.02.26.06.47.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:47:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6E6C6A94-8F79-4899-988C-DC5D080FA637@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 09:47:38 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: CQUAM and audio processor together X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=YRtNR4MGD7jIw-9Y3JdlEZRg7VqEOyOc8yNDdqsNB_D_5UXLnHkbnrjsNR0w0A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 26, 2009, at 1:01 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > Is it possible to get it from another USA or Europe manufacter? Amperex makes 4-1000A tubes in France. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 08:12:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93942 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 16:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 16:12:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 16:12:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73503 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2009 16:12:49 -0000 Message-ID: <837230.71937.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: uSx_1v4VM1lkKLSfn8EDP817yultK_pNSZdmuSXnDdtWkyUio9pHGhR9FIeLODqTL2hEzZLLxGeWdttE3tU1mJxUEYdoPO5FeVRVagMFxhnSowO6d4oGsb5VbOB1_Xza0ZvKskakEvh1fr8f9IdZKydNO0.Ad9tsSzeiMNT.Wm69NdPt9Lqt9hmuCB9pkecVSqwfad2XNPnnJWNg6ioVjKRQ X-Received: from [209.213.19.188] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:12:49 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:12:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003201c99799$1e851b40$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=VOvDDARGUWgAMFjJIEeg1RXb63sndd89t3Cg2N4uxsk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Well since Eimac has not made these tubes in a long time you won't find any "NEW" ones, maybe some New Old Stock and be prepared to pay a fortune for these? Is this tube being made by ANYone anymore NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 2/25/09, scottn0bst@usfamily.net > Let me guess- an old McMartin 2.5K? They were good sounding > transmitters but they ate tubes. Those 4-1000s are pretty > pricey. You're unlikely to find any on the cheap. You > might want to try RF Parts. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jotape1960 > By the way, if somebody knows a good price place where I > can find 4 > NEW Eimac 4-1000A tubes, please let me know. From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 08:12:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 706 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 16:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 16:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.234) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 16:12:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58168 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2009 16:12:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cS5ETNoVM1mPpBGefQqMAjEjjlM9vbr5FDPdVvoejHGrSj9P0GNLycCVFNwx4OJDBDAQhlOb1sk8cCcpaFyiVmHxBqY3UtAqNWWTNKQ6ssS9Vz0orDbhtHIBmguArS1FCPz0OE.GL32woDbflhXve8ammJ9zKZDVLGEynu5Esf6YDRrztSPJAFFscx4_xXKO68vpv4kZGnxMAWruETUHOESmlCL7onwO7emZKE_81Q-- X-Received: from [75.144.174.185] by web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:12:49 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:12:49 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <651192.56915.qm@web54010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KUOM redux X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=4lFRRuuz9k9dfA0m4XTGjcCzT0c5lBKxGLUjy9mWkXBKXb3gC4zr X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nah, man!=A0 Scott's gonna start a pirate NTSC TV station! =A0 Right on Sys= tem M Channel 37 no less! OK, I promised myself no more jokes...but I can't resist! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (V31VQ stuck in renewal hell). --- On Wed, 2/25/09, KJ4HYD wrote: From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} KUOM redux To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 6:35 PM =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 On Feb 25, 2009, at 5:50 PM, wrote: > And I did manage to snag the TV exciters, though getting them out=20=20 > was a pain. A TV transmitter is so much more work to disassemble=20=20 > than an AM or FM. I did manage to score some nice filament=20=20 > transformers in the process though. KEWL! I am sure you got yourself a GOLD MINE of parts! 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 08:15:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96118 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 16:15:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 16:15:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 16:15:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 71385 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2009 16:15:50 -0000 Message-ID: <189366.70051.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7Lc.MMMVM1m4KT5HeZuNsmEoul2xcFA0m62BR7Yxze41YXnYhV0MS_xuCqm2E8wdxoSNFazRJOChs6ta2BNLfXKxFxgFYPJTiGHzB3gq1smmx2fwLURR7njqaVIaYVQ5n23VBidWnlj8fgIdldE_wXg49wraiINotEP.5zOrPZer0e3Zc.vxtmxI7lsWJ.0YVgq00SZ414Q09JoYoCB54NHR5YGhdG_wlhtW_UJRU58SWJdb X-Received: from [209.213.19.188] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:15:50 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:15:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008e01c9979c$56b40320$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Ribbon Microphones stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ZNZCql9S1y8bsvW4Ye9zVAz414W2YgaI1lG79yDjsoU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW AEA makes the 44 series updated and can supply repair and parts for your old RCA ribbon microphones http://www.wesdooley.com/ From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 10:11:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90876 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 18:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 18:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 18:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2009 18:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2009 18:11:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:11:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <837230.71937.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.73.123.12 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=TNbzIN53zKGs7kg5iqjXnyq5BwAdGN_ISif5oFLcvyk X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr http://www.pentalaboratories.com/Product.aspx?dept_id=3D1506&pf_id=3D4- 1000A%20/%208166=20 Chile Distributors: Bio Bio Comunicaciones S.A. Tel: +56-2-391-9997 Fax: +56-2-391-9900 Email: marnich@laradio.cl Propesca S.A. Tel: +56.2.232.7760 Fax: +56.2.232.4727 Email: propesca@propesca.com --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" =20 wrote: > >=20 > Well since Eimac has not made these tubes in a long time you won't=20 find any "NEW" ones, maybe some New Old Stock and be prepared to pay=20 a fortune for these? Is this tube being made by ANYone anymore >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, scottn0bst@... =20 > > Let me guess- an old McMartin 2.5K? They were good sounding > > transmitters but they ate tubes. Those 4-1000s are pretty > > pricey. You're unlikely to find any on the cheap. You > > might want to try RF Parts. > >=20 > > Scott Todd > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: jotape1960=20 >=20 > > By the way, if somebody knows a good price place where I > > can find 4=20 > > NEW Eimac 4-1000A tubes, please let me know. > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Feb 26 10:48:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16214 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 18:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 18:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.153) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 18:48:35 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so487280ywa.60 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:48:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.134.16 with SMTP id h16mr1871523and.94.1235674113274; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:48:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.32.29.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.32.29.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.32.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c14sm2498527ana.1.2009.02.26.10.48.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:48:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <8B225023-A40E-482C-AF02-49C2EF6A57CE@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:48:26 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=QFyLslIyZL6bv_QUxQtQfrPVTJvW9m5ebOD0r6slyuN7dukicldt7gagtz3yzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 26, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Sotiris wrote: > http://www.pentalaboratories.com/Product.aspx?dept_id=1506&pf_id=4-1000A%20/%208166 The Penta 4-1000 is made in China by Shuguang 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Feb 26 10:53:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11788 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 18:53:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 18:53:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 18:53:44 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c39.4c1d1842 (30738) for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:53:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:53:31 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vacuum tubes questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=PmRqpQ9BUJhK1RgPoV3Ro19qtGcKrCPgKKs4ebM5H0StgO4iNslDO4Vp4P6Py6yP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I vacuum tube is just another electronic device that works on a different principle than solid state components. Vacuum tubes use internally heater cathodes which boil off electrons whose path is control by a series of gates known as grids. The inefficiency of vacuum tubes lies with the heater which solid state devices do not require. The amount of energy required to power the heater varies from perhaps a watt or two for small signal tubes to several kilowatts for power tubes. The tube produces heat very efficiently. If you have a use for the heat, then all the better. Some use the heat to warm the transmitter shack. Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 11:03:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81747 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 19:03:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 19:03:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 19:03:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2009 19:03:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2009 19:03:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:03:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8B225023-A40E-482C-AF02-49C2EF6A57CE@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 85.73.123.12 From: "Sotiris" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=pAyXfM6SppMYMiD5zO6ussSHwl9tcHZT-h8IbdkOQN0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Porbably thats true as most electronics of that kind have moved to=20 China! However he can find them thru his local distributor at=20 Chile!!! Best way is to ask there first to get a cost from them,=20 without getting involved with customs, paychecks at foreign=20 resipients, etc...=20 Then if the price is close to to skyhigh values, should start=20 checking Ebay IMHO! Best regards=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > >=20 > On Feb 26, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Sotiris wrote: >=20 > > http://www.pentalaboratories.com/Product.aspx? dept_id=3D1506&pf_id=3D4-1000A%20/%208166 >=20 > The Penta 4-1000 is made in China by Shuguang >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 12:41:48 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31154;u=;t=1235888791;m=492719899;s=2360742303; From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Feb 26 12:42:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23359 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2009 20:42:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2009 20:42:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2009 20:42:44 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d25.46115eb5 (32914) for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:42:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:42:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=2gx5sby0J1thbJURG7ggjiTMwUK_IusYm6uOxE5WOqj-Zs6ybLI5Kulg6nqdU-QL X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Believe it or not, there are audio nuts who are building amps out of these tubes. Not modulators, amps. They bid this stuff up through the roof on eBay. Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Feb 26 15:56:23 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31156;u=;t=1235888815;m=1681702556;s=4054252607; From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 26 16:33:36 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31157;u=;t=1235888792;m=740307434;s=3973569710; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Feb 26 16:43:07 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31158;u=;t=1235888830;m=974835216;s=3973569710; From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 26 17:20:21 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31159;u=;t=1235888859;m=759680753;s=3973569710; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 26 18:22:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73527 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2009 02:22:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2009 02:22:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.163) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2009 02:22:20 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n24.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2009 02:22:20 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2009 02:22:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2009 02:22:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 219000.19493.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 70538 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2009 02:22:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO i4j0t9) (jimsmith95650@75.8.109.197 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2009 02:22:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: VYZWWFwVM1ntrv8Xj7T0AE3r4iw7hKPHujJlPN0PZWekJdrNN1AF6RvH0Fd9cNpgV4tNbDPJyZrqjdF_ON4nJ7w6XoWOfx.gTEOW28t9fBzWkMtaKLMEaVB54.zgGLX6YFMLMAbhhj8chrevtzW5bcs2 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000a01c99882$8c54ade0$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:24:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: cheap mod monator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=k4A9KSDTDidH3P7Luk8tv2mR_ocViXsBuQliRA1rNcWT9503nFkO2I5wdBwrbaThNXR4EPR4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I need to find a cheap mod. monitor for a Delta ASE 1 AM STEREO Exciter. I don't have a credit card so I will be making payments by postal money orders. Thanks Jim Smith NOR CAL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Feb 26 19:18:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69334 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2009 03:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2009 03:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2009 03:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cdf.46d98300 (32915) for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:18:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:18:16 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} cheap mod monator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=wT0bSMTjFZvNyZqM4Ugs645XkzgBeVWQw2BuVoCkpRwa1-uBfD-iXR8eZPzOm7nv X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I take it that it has to be a stereo monitor? Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 26 19:26:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45865 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2009 03:26:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2009 03:26:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2009 03:26:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2009 03:26:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2009 03:26:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:26:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.8.109.197 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: cheap mod monator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=7P2TS9pRuUw8euSyOPcGd2cAAFm2cwO3ZAg_GsE3Kp_uwPsxQkbP1azeTsJsikIZLRjUCiG5 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I take it that it has to be a stereo monitor? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in=20 > your neighborhood today.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3DTax+Return+Preparation+% 26+Filing&ncid=3Demlcntusyelp00000004) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike Yes!! A C-QuAM one please. Thats one of the things that thay=20 don't have to C-QuAM. If thay ever do go stereo I am hoping that thay=20 will play more music.Jim Smith Nor Cal From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Feb 26 19:27:56 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31163;u=;t=1235888870;m=1224637833;s=3973569710; From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 05:21:17 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31164;u=;t=1235888880;m=1908203948;s=3973569710; From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 27 07:40:43 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31165;u=;t=1235888920;m=413928920;s=3973569710; From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Feb 27 07:41:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38791 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2009 15:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2009 15:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.207) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2009 15:41:37 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W12 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 27 Feb 2009 07:41:37 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:41:37 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2009 15:41:37.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0488880:01C998F1] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Status of Amy Mousie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=MYgkGYa_GjNYirtGc5LZSxgOdtR3MRRwMkV5ypADobQz4B7-CtqY X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone heard from this lady lately? I hope she is OK. MTGC Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Feb 27 09:26:12 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31167;u=;t=1235888966;m=1171980993;s=3973569710; From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Feb 27 09:37:55 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31168;u=;t=1235888981;m=546463020;s=3973569710; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 14:01:47 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31169;u=;t=1235889016;m=1817311432;s=3973569710; From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Feb 27 14:03:47 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31170;u=;t=1235889027;m=305469396;s=3973569710; From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Feb 27 14:07:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22561 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2009 22:07:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2009 22:07:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173009pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.9) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2009 22:07:56 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KFQ00C2TW50LI9I@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:07:50 -0600 (CST) Message-id: To: References: Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:07:49 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Status of Amy Mousie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=hSrurjCcVzYky517DBv9H7glqSnLdQSScGH8E03-VaEdbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amy always added a lot of interesting comment to the list - Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: AM Stereo Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: {AMSF} Status of Amy Mousie Has anyone heard from this lady lately? I hope she is OK. MTGC Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 14:19:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61164 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2009 22:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2009 22:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2009 22:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2009 22:19:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2009 22:19:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:19:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <189366.70051.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.190 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Ribbon Microphones stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=X1UEQJYWrt3yFVhpUx4z1sMo6zGrHAHyVTZH4BQAImo3vtEfwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thank you so much for your news!!! The original RCA 44-B was used in "my" Station since the 1950's to=20 2000, year when my aunt decided to lease the station to the today=20 operators, who decided to change it to a "modern" mikes (the typical=20 unidirectional dynamic mikes). By the way, "my" station was founded in 1933 by my grandfather=20 Alberto Guerra Cruzat (died in 1971), CE4BD. My aunt Juana Cervera=20 Torres (died in 2007), CE4GX, was his sister-in-law and partner all=20 the time. Both made the original AM TX (all tubes technology, even=20 the DC diodes), one in 1933 and one second unit (with an 100% solid=20 state audio part) in 1964. There still is one part of that second=20 unit in my house (it's a so big iron cabinet!!!). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III"=20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 >=20 > AEA makes the 44 series updated and can supply repair and parts=20 for your old RCA ribbon microphones >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://www.wesdooley.com/ > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 14:21:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76575 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2009 22:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2009 22:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2009 22:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2009 22:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2009 22:21:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:21:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.190 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Y4z5IJHa7KhqDNhT5bLf_28J1CO4SgMcX3KSer7l-uhT8Leztw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! YOU SAVE MY LIFE!!! By the way, Does somebody know if I can change these tubes by the=20 ceramic version 4CX1000? Can the McMartin BA-2.5K handles it? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > http://www.pentalaboratories.com/Product.aspx?dept_id=3D1506&pf_id=3D4- > 1000A%20/%208166=20 >=20 > Chile Distributors: >=20 > Bio Bio Comunicaciones S.A. > Tel: +56-2-391-9997 > Fax: +56-2-391-9900 > Email: marnich@... >=20 > Propesca S.A. > Tel: +56.2.232.7760 > Fax: +56.2.232.4727 > Email: propesca@... >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" =20 > wrote: > > > >=20 > > Well since Eimac has not made these tubes in a long time you=20 won't=20 > find any "NEW" ones, maybe some New Old Stock and be prepared to=20 pay=20 > a fortune for these? Is this tube being made by ANYone anymore > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > NNNN=20=20 > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > >=20 > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 2/25/09, scottn0bst@ =20 > > > Let me guess- an old McMartin 2.5K? They were good sounding > > > transmitters but they ate tubes. Those 4-1000s are pretty > > > pricey. You're unlikely to find any on the cheap. You > > > might want to try RF Parts. > > >=20 > > > Scott Todd > > >=20 > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > > From: jotape1960=20 > >=20 > > > By the way, if somebody knows a good price place where I > > > can find 4=20 > > > NEW Eimac 4-1000A tubes, please let me know. > > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 14:24:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50215 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2009 22:24:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2009 22:24:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2009 22:24:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2009 22:24:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Feb 2009 22:24:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:24:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.190 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vacuum tubes questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BpGL34wRNdimFlVLet8IdRbCuHq0A5xr1XgieqcneCjkWAv-Xg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > I vacuum tube is just another electronic device that works on a=20 different=20 > principle than solid state components. Vacuum tubes use=20 internally heater=20 > cathodes which boil off electrons whose path is control by a=20 series of gates known=20 > as grids. >=20 > The inefficiency of vacuum tubes lies with the heater which solid=20 state=20 > devices do not require. The amount of energy required to power=20 the heater varies=20 > from perhaps a watt or two for small signal tubes to several=20 kilowatts for=20 > power tubes. >=20 > The tube produces heat very efficiently. If you have a use for=20 the heat,=20 > then all the better. Some use the heat to warm the transmitter=20 shack. >=20 > Mike >=20 Yes, I use the heat to warm the TX room at winter. My problem is now=20 (Summer), it is unbearable!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 14:35:37 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31175;u=;t=1235889162;m=137026935;s=3973569710; From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 27 15:30:41 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31176;u=;t=1235889147;m=1330496408;s=3973569710; From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Feb 27 15:53:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47164 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2009 23:53:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2009 23:53:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s11.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.214) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2009 23:53:04 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W71 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s11.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:53:04 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:53:04 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2009 23:53:04.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[87AC27A0:01C99936] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Status of Amy Mousie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=xuY4k9yu2NpsQ7WKj9vLUgx6_CG1LMTeVeG-hC0wRTHSUdtHy88O X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes she did, and I hope she is doing OK. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: dwtpa97@verizon.net Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:07:49 -0500 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Status of Amy Mousie Amy always added a lot of interesting comment to the list - Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: AM Stereo Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: {AMSF} Status of Amy Mousie Has anyone heard from this lady lately? I hope she is OK. MTGC Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 15:55:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4324 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2009 23:55:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2009 23:55:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2009 23:55:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40872 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2009 23:55:06 -0000 Message-ID: <679211.40059.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ZW0YQjEVM1ndWWrxP.dsepeuIxwTB4WCDOQMF2TcDpPswetC9vd350pvxonzVT1kIVAAh41Gwf9UYqDe49q0acWryrlFz9BGMPAy.P_E0uyk3xPB1HKPbeBzkU5J4IlOzrO6GuHBLPpxmfPlPa0qNq5.oeyPA5_vENzGxcRGcXmHuAGjpEe2lPDBeqsA1efo4SHU0lRGtTzfjD4xqzZdn510 X-Received: from [209.213.19.146] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:55:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:55:06 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=_2nlbDrJUqiXhOwQHnzZ_yD3oO-FbhByBz_ncaktEKg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Not sure. Who is that guy that still does McMartin support in the midwest ? He would know. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 2/27/09, jotape1960 wrote: > THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! > > YOU SAVE MY LIFE!!! > > By the way, Does somebody know if I can change these tubes > by the > ceramic version 4CX1000? Can the McMartin BA-2.5K handles > it? From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 17:09:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70035 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 01:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 01:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 01:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2009 01:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2009 01:09:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:09:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <679211.40059.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.190 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=DUQz2Ar7c1MJiipkL7ROWMwz5rvgBY-8k-BxrIzT90UfuV6OZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Who is? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III"=20 wrote: > >=20 >=20 > Not sure. Who is that guy that still does McMartin support in the=20 midwest ? He would know. >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 2/27/09, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 >=20 > > THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! > >=20 > > YOU SAVE MY LIFE!!! > >=20 > > By the way, Does somebody know if I can change these tubes > > by the=20 > > ceramic version 4CX1000? Can the McMartin BA-2.5K handles > > it? > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 17:18:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11323 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 01:18:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 01:18:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 01:18:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2009 01:18:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2009 01:18:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:18:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.190 From: "jotape1960" Subject: An MP3 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=m4SN6wwHveATXz7rrYYl6cYssNgVUVQ11LueB0CLJQ4L9yyYqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if someone knows if we can change the typical MP3 tag=20 (alphanumeric additional information) WITHOUT to change the compressed=20 audio data itself. I mean, when I use Cool Edit Pro to play an MP3 file and then I edit=20 the tag and re-save the file, the program "re-touches" the already=20 compressed audio data too. Although most of the cases it is=20 unnoticeable, we add an extra loss each time we want to edit the tag. How to edit the tag without touch the audio data? That's the question. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Feb 27 17:31:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93650 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 01:31:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 01:31:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 01:31:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98265 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2009 01:31:38 -0000 Message-ID: <159465.96049.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Kf7_r9QVM1kFZfifrLqR4NnGr3EsVF1iWl.FqJsl6FUYldty.6MiwQvk3lv6wriCusGaiv2B2wZta9InkK8a_bMlGBCNjxlK67FFW7foDXlN8u_8z24acCdG0rDqgKzx.kgKLOhe4vkaxtXWsQeZhFGkOLYwxKHDpexSySFT.09HyPEdnq0rliwNAGkWBRbYkDfdaK8uispsiAbhcu42uE0S X-Received: from [209.213.19.146] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:31:38 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:31:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=IMzCHCVacqEFP60KDXwCxlRrVEC2U1nMV3cq4xFeUR8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Charlie Goodrich.... http://www.goodrichenterprises.com/page_oneweb5-02_001.htm NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 2/27/09, jotape1960 wrote: > > Who is? ??? From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 27 22:35:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28172 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 06:35:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 06:35:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 06:35:06 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d41.36fdbd6f (39331) for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:34:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:34:56 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Vacuum tubes questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=eSGBEUfVjEkko22hlFa4Z9S_YfCJs65gfJB2sw8kFLS9pZsAzP_9X9cHep3HsjsO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Water jacketed tubes, which is unusual at lower power levels, might lend themselves to co-generation. The nice thing about a water cooled system is that it is quiet, at least relatively, and it is easier to direct the rejection heat. Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 27 22:39:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97094 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 06:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 06:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 06:39:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.ced.51365ef7 (39331) for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:39:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:39:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.35 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} An MP3 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=HQ-Kw7_2Wmb6lUGGlrGAqHaOsgrRCIFFIEW6tXBk7q5KGujsvujbpNlK2yGTEEsf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, What you need is pirate wear that allows you to do anything. My advice is get a junk computer and go out on the web looking for what you need. The chances are you will get some mal-ware in the process which is why you want to do your search with a junk computer. There is software which will strip the security features off legitimately downloaded commercial MP3s so it doesn't need an online license. Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Feb 27 22:41:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2129 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 06:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 06:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 06:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imr-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cd2.4ba7da0d (39331) for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:41:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:41:16 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Delta Electronics Splatter Monitor X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=I6uGnjNyTA9ssTU66fO6EKioQckgx9PlJDY2Tf8_EuR47qPN46nUZ3P7mk1NfHQ6 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone had any experience with one of these units? Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. 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Dose any one know where i can get a C-quam mod monitor? Thanks Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} cheap mod monator I take it that it has to be a stereo monitor? Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 11:49:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6966 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 19:49:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 19:49:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 19:49:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45789 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2009 19:49:35 -0000 Message-ID: <188048.44523.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hUrPyQgVM1nyk.JSPeiLVVR3MsXEoHh4IbYnhGec3I1SaEGqrWNKLcU0UgOgDOJttlDH6BL.IZUH_7es068zE8mqajIIc.2SegRRfSPC9G9lRJb60l96Hn_6cSXp2Y8Ew_Stmq1grsTvhIu1ukf8yx7H0jLNbwEzatYZRqu5ctPAsw-- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:49:35 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:49:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: cheap mod monator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ULu-9C9QigdyIEcu-7i2C6_bSmQkmlZKubKS2IuQngaq3h_lgNaDc2o X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio A Harris C-Quam Mod Monitor and Exciter sold on eBay about a week or two ago - anybody here buy the set? John From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 12:47:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24651 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 20:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 20:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 20:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2009 20:47:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2009 20:47:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:47:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <159465.96049.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.137 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=sPpEGHeKCMGMlyy4UJHbR807SUeraR1zFSvJNtC6mPWDj5UEPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!! I'll wirte him to get the tubes (and other parts too, hihihi). Unfortunately, I'm in Chile (too much miles away from him), so I=20 can't use his "cleaning" service (he offers to de-assembly, clean,=20 re-assembly, re-paint and calibrated all the TX!!!). Well, not all is perfect, hahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III"=20 wrote: > >=20 > Charlie Goodrich.... >=20 > http://www.goodrichenterprises.com/page_oneweb5-02_001.htm >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 2/27/09, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > > > Who is? ??? > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 12:52:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29121 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 20:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 20:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 20:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2009 20:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2009 20:52:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:52:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.137 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} An MP3 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=2ejPNOG1TzOufoVav6o-Z0weZXamV7uGWzeXGxc3xgEG2WHGlw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! I don't want any pirate trick. I don't need it. I just want to, for example, translate the title of the song (in the=20 MP3 tag) without to touch any other data in the file. I can do it with "Cool Edit Pro" but, if I do it, the software re- codes the audio data too. That's all I want to do. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > What you need is pirate wear that allows you to do anything. My=20 advice is=20 > get a junk computer and go out on the web looking for what you=20 need. The=20 > chances are you will get some mal-ware in the process which is why=20 you want to do=20 > your search with a junk computer. >=20 > There is software which will strip the security features off=20 legitimately=20 > downloaded commercial MP3s so it doesn't need an online license. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in=20 > your neighborhood today.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3DTax+Return+Preparation+% 26+Filing&ncid=3Demlcntusyelp00000004) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 12:55:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86094 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2009 20:55:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2009 20:55:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2009 20:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2009 20:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Feb 2009 20:55:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:55:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004501c99979$eb7e8640$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.137 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} cheap mod monator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9ofYjouf1svMqkcEcgqJgA8T0Yx1unXtzoavDIV6Kwn_UMof7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Try: http://www.deltaelectronics.com They still offer the ASE-1 C-QUAM Exciter and the ASM-1 C-QUAM=20 Monitor. Too much money to me, but you live in the rich part of the world.=20 You can get it!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Let me ask again. Dose any one know where i can get a C-quam=20 mod monitor? Thanks Jim Smith > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: mjgrant@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:18 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} cheap mod monator >=20 >=20 > I take it that it has to be a stereo monitor? >=20 > Mike >=20 > ************** > Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in=20 > your neighborhood today.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3DTax+Return+Preparation+% 26+Filing&ncid=3Demlcntusyelp00000004) >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 22:33:05 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38710 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 06:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 06:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n73d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.98) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 06:33:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1235889184; bh=lOZyF5dwRSWyGyc7XcByTySxxHKjTptRKO+jAUDCjyI=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=dkhjNVQ4BMR8OU9+WPPrL56gQDg+04V6+uL1dTCkbZujIXmb4TZNIilzsjo8yYkfErQBiokIe9/TXXzYhtYvhjDgGuA/rzxTIYaT1ri7ayyYYxDtyVXNvU99ydIp6S3O Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n73.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 06:33:04 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 06:33:04 -0000 X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99459 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2009 03:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2009 03:58:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2009 03:58:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17931 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Feb 2009 03:58:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AcujJ.IVM1nA.R2RE84SRhhhYaJCKifY0p9IEUyL1Lf.6AvCEqm87QXmYiBYSX4PuhaivybE1TLPMPW4UK8ktkdxoBXr6RmoKegd0bYarNNVnb1b1eLyoRtrVoHgJDXnb_qnQxxEMOLLJBO1QCkEbHSG8SycBOTdsKxZu69PDKjwPAW9E3m.KId_nEa3ERdGviFf49eqf4JyThhmN2BeP2vFzcdIsklP_OJQAa_sQfaBgsc- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:58:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:58:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <940759.15603.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WKAR AM 870 AM Stereo at night? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=xROxvV8ODFoNhfVcuoFNmSEB95EwaWDAF1evHV0-Hwv3Eg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Mar 2009 06:33:03 -0000 Scott, try 1370 kHz. Not sure of location or call-sign, but I was in Shiawa= ssee County (MI) several months ago, and in the Owosso area, the stereo lig= ht stayed on steady. Probably not a big station, I lost it by the time I re= ached Chesaning. George --- On Wed, 2/18/09, Scott Higbee wrote: > From: Scott Higbee > Subject: {AMSF} WKAR AM 870 AM Stereo at night? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 10:57 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > Can anyone confirm if East Lansing Michigan's WKAR AM > 870 is running=20 >=20 > AM Stereo at night? >=20 > I have seen the stereo light come on at about 5pm e.s.t.=20 > However I'm=20 >=20 > not sure if this is really coming from them or not. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Also on a sad note, it seemed that Grand Rapids, Mi was the > AM Stereo=20 >=20 > capital of Michigan, but WYGR AM 1530, WPRR (formally WDSS) > AM 1680 and=20 >=20 > WGVU AM 1480 have all gone Mono. WGVU AM is also running > IBOC 24/7. So=20 >=20 > GR is left with none broadcasting in AM Stereo. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 22:33:15 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 56061 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 06:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 06:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n44c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.178) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 06:33:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1235889192; bh=AgT+J4bGLeGIjq2xF1Jreh2EqoYqZpF6PmqHkgFr0SA=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=uS60RYzDjinaZfTK3QLimsptlyzwGDqXjzxQ9R7B/SexzsF8ViALQqrcv4kgAgXnnCBEvrCz76hkHp6bk2XZA5sgcdA047IkdNBbp7rGTiFsyfI1FtxTcCGrdYhOZk8P Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 06:33:12 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 06:33:12 -0000 X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97293 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2009 01:45:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2009 01:45:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2009 01:45:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61041 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2009 01:45:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZPEERasVM1nitksS_FDPO4iWFGFQlHZqMpYVVREzO9UsExOosjhcOvdf_7UNVVWWJYF9oRvut2oRahylOuZWyjwaf2LzuCQJspl1mWHuYxh.cTqP8WVCagunnHauALPOOLd3TS5LB2SVrQg16dc4mCzgte3GB_JWCc.NzUQIyOW1oPDdKnkGZV0etIjpWpptMej_h0T0zQS2_QrbjQaKwudWlhMI.K3IchXZ X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:45:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:45:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <196127.60509.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM and audio processor together X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=8_jaoxnWxPQaAAUaQ_zXQ50eXlXtQRyDtYoWDG98PCjK6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 01 Mar 2009 06:33:11 -0000 Didn't Bob Orban make his mark by combining processing and stereo signal ge= neration in one box for FM? I realize that DOESN'T include the exciter, but= it IS encoding and compressing/limiting in one nice package, eh? George --- On Sun, 2/22/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} CQUAM and audio processor together > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 7:55 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > In a message dated 2/22/2009 11:12:10 AM > Central Standard Time,=20 >=20 > w4opw@yahoo. com > writes: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Not a good idea.=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > You don't want all of your eggs in one basket. >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The reason I made this suggestion is to standardized signal > processing, much=20 >=20 > like was done on Stereo TV which was very successful. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The efficient and modern why to generate the CQUAM signal > is DSP. Close=20 >=20 > integration of the audio signal processing and CQUAM > generation would have many=20 >=20 > advantages. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************ ** >=20 > Need a job? Find an employment agency near you.=20 >=20 > (http://yellowpages. > aol.com/search? query=3Demployment _agencies& amp;ncid=3D > emlcntusyelp0000 0003) >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Feb 28 22:43:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82914 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 06:43:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 06:43:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 06:43:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 06:43:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 06:43:46 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 06:43:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Announce: yes X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.96.224 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Reminder about political discussions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=8_uQVUeK_5s1HDzfcirsp1aj8GIQi_TAqmIsmBnSf_Xz3Wg4QQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Once again I remind members that political discussions are off-topic=20 in this Forum and are better discussed elsewhere. This especially includes discussions about the so-called "Fairness Doctrine." Yes, it does relate to radio, but there are numerous other radio forums which are more relevant to that discussion. Members who repeatedly post off-topic messages here will be placed on moderated status. In other news, I sadly note the passing of radio legend Paul Harvey. He died yesterday at age 90. May he have a "good day"... forever. Kevin T. From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 28 23:15:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78132 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 07:15:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 07:15:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 07:15:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 07:15:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 07:15:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 07:15:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.24.202.65 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: Reminder about political discussions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=TvoqBOiIsR3BQ0nkOTFNuBGmR4iq9Na5yau1KN5Vc7R1PO_FD7FIw9DVqAUeJeHsK0ti75n6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > Once again I remind members that political discussions are off-topic=20 > in this Forum and are better discussed elsewhere. This especially > includes discussions about the so-called "Fairness Doctrine." Yes, > it does relate to radio, but there are numerous other radio forums > which are more relevant to that discussion. Members who repeatedly > post off-topic messages here will be placed on moderated status. >=20 > In other news, I sadly note the passing of radio legend Paul Harvey. > He died yesterday at age 90. May he have a "good day"... forever. >=20 > Kevin T. > Hi Gang Thank you Kevin. I never got how talking about politics would=20 help this forum put more AM STEREO stations one the air. I am helping a=20 station with AM STEREO and I don't even work there. I think thats what=20 Kevin T and Chris C. intended this forum for. Jim Smith NOR CAL From orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es Sun Mar 01 01:12:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: orxata_d_xufa@yahoo.es X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76968 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 09:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 09:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 09:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 09:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 09:12:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:12:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 81.202.91.135 From: "orxata_d_xufa" Subject: Re: {AMSF} An MP3 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=192122520; y=Sq9pDIUTXVHUoy9yzOo9QWkOWp3UnP_zs9igwTUPkoNZiwcX8AQ2kQ X-Yahoo-Profile: orxata_d_xufa Have you tried Winamp? It allows you to change the ID3 tags very easily. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: >=20 > I just want to, for example, translate the title of the song (in the=20 > MP3 tag) without to touch any other data in the file. From bratina501@msn.com Sun Mar 01 01:48:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33388 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 09:48:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 09:48:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 09:48:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 09:48:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 09:48:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:48:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.52.176 From: "Nicholas" Subject: KCJJ heard in western Washington! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=LjP587zYk4i0Do8RkvugDpnyDx_TAFOFfuUiClFBXGRqmkPtGA X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 I recently logged KCJJ 1630 Iowa City Iowa at home just about 100 miles south of Seattle. The station was even received in stereo albeit briefly and even got the information to make a reception report but don't know exactly who to send it to given that the station has several e-mail addresses. From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 01 06:21:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65807 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 14:21:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 14:21:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 14:21:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 14:21:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 14:21:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:21:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.235.202.20 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: Tale of two Ford Stereos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=f4xmmWvFH7HkadMYmesIIn5tVcf2QGZT-7WDuR67K3PN3VPBBGCzN6KgcojXQP1Jc2TVnA X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc I hope someone can point me in the right direction. I have two Ford=20 Stereos with the model number of F57F19B165CG. Both have simular=20 problems. Both units receive FM great it is AM and AM stereo where the=20 problem starts. Unit one receives the entire am band except 1600khz.=20=20 When you tune 1600khz it will receive stations in the 800-890khz area.=20=20 Sometimes 870khz can be heard at 870 and at 1600khz and so on. Unit=20 two receives the entire AM band except 1630khz sounds like I'm=20 listening to it off frequency. like having a CB radio without usb/lsb=20 and hearing someone on the usb/lsb talking. also the is a low=20 frequency hum that is reduced when you press on the front of the stereo. Neither radio will decode AM Stereo quickly either. The RAZ in the=20 98' Chrysler T&C and the one I installed in a 94 safari decode quicker=20 than the Fords will. Ideas anyone,anyone..=20=20 Scott Higbee Marne, Mi From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 01 06:32:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33885 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 14:32:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 14:32:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 14:32:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 14:32:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 14:32:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:32:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.235.202.20 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: Where is the Stereo Seperation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=5h0KZL2auJBNRCqgBlscshTfRTODMbuO5jJNrpO0FriJJxPZhvZn7LIw3zqjJ406f1mYhw X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc I just got one of those DMHD-1000 HD Radio tuners with the hope of=20 hearing AM Stereo better than the Ford will. Yet I can't hear the=20 Stereo seperation on any station in C-Quam. But then again HD AM=20 stations are not using stereo much either. 50,000 watt nighttime=20 talkers in HD whoopie doo!! Clearer ya, Stereo HAHAHAHA!!! No. Also has anyone noticed that the audio seems to be a bit distorted on=20 these units either analog or digital. and is there a way to decrease=20 it. It is going through the FM Modulator. Scott Higbee Marne, Mi From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Mar 01 07:11:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88776 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 15:11:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 15:11:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s1.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.204) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 15:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W24 ([65.55.90.200]) by snt0-omc4-s1.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:11:14 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:11:14 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2009 15:11:14.0712 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6B17980:01C99A7F] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Reminder about political discussions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=kCbMZHCB38qUWyYQPg9hscEFn0yqpG-jAXtg38-VsDxsX7BOImW0 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amen to your wishes for Mr. Harvey. May he rest in peace. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: kevtronics@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 06:43:46 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Reminder about political discussions Once again I remind members that political discussions are off-topic in this Forum and are better discussed elsewhere. This especially includes discussions about the so-called "Fairness Doctrine." Yes, it does relate to radio, but there are numerous other radio forums which are more relevant to that discussion. Members who repeatedly post off-topic messages here will be placed on moderated status. In other news, I sadly note the passing of radio legend Paul Harvey. He died yesterday at age 90. May he have a "good day"... forever. Kevin T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Mar 01 10:12:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42503 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 18:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 18:12:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.250) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 18:12:15 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so1136500anc.22 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:12:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.151.14 with SMTP id y14mr4099631and.117.1235931133228; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:12:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.10.70? (host-209-149-112-250.ghs.org [209.149.112.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d21sm10340779and.26.2009.03.01.10.12.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:12:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:12:10 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=-iR4LYvzsJELgc2CCy9fpuqr--rBEZeKAzFCWGeIz50_1bUJRLuFggYEBExs2A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 27, 2009, at 8:09 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > Who is? ??? > http://www.goodrichenterprises.com/ 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Mar 01 10:13:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96944 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 18:13:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 18:13:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f160.google.com) (209.85.217.160) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 18:13:38 -0000 X-Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so4047905gxk.18 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:13:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.43.14 with SMTP id q14mr4152458anq.60.1235931217493; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:13:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.10.70? (host-209-149-112-250.ghs.org [209.149.112.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b37sm1800046ana.37.2009.03.01.10.13.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:13:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:13:34 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} An MP3 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=UNpGdCXfxpIrnSSJR8cZhWt7EGyEq_OF58MY1bTr7T6HEXlp2ayLDEebmpKPkg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Feb 27, 2009, at 8:18 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > How to edit the tag without touch the audio data? That's the question. I tunes and wmv both will, butiTunes is easy 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 01 13:23:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8982 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 21:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 21:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 21:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.68] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090301152329000690900010.0) with SMTP id <20090301152329000690900010> for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:23:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005b01c99ab4$d4c46000$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8B225023-A40E-482C-AF02-49C2EF6A57CE@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:23:29 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Es2VV0hDjyE9jeufWulAtKEDhk1N_MFnc401Rk_Oxl2KR_gD9L69 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Translation: better make sure your transmitter's overload protection is working. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ4HYD To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The Penta 4-1000 is made in China by Shuguang --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 01 13:58:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62449 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 21:57:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 21:57:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 21:57:56 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.68] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090301155747001437500010.0) with SMTP id <20090301155747001437500010> for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:57:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <015c01c99ab9$9f55d700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:57:47 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Ribbon Microphones stuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=emgwtpeWwX7ovzsTn2Ubu3GhzzXV2NO0cNhnaw5sbQ2cLjtVviJG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice to know there are others preserving this part of radio history in other parts of the world. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 4:19 PM There still is one part of that second unit in my house (it's a so big iron cabinet!!!). --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 01 14:06:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42633 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 22:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 22:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 22:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.68] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090301160635002549300010.0) with SMTP id <20090301160635002549300010> for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:06:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <016401c99aba$d9b852a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:06:35 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=lw8YA26ZaJYu_o8KX3IQK2aObKKM904yUGptkyOsOA1HH-IhE0RA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You'd have to completely change out the sockets and might have to modify the air flow, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. If you're talking running at 2.5kW, I'd recommend using something with higher plate dissipation like the 4CX1500A. Those 4-1000s were run quite hard and it would be the same if you used 4CX1000s. In addition to changing sockets you will also have to change bias. The only downside to all this is you lose the display of those big glowing glass jugs in the window. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com By the way, Does somebody know if I can change these tubes by the ceramic version 4CX1000? Can the McMartin BA-2.5K handles it? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 01 14:09:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45991 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 22:08:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 22:08:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 22:08:57 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.68] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090301160843002778900010.0) with SMTP id <20090301160843002778900010> for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:08:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <017201c99abb$266cdbc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <004501c99979$eb7e8640$61e4fea9@i4j0t9> Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:08:43 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} cheap mod monator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=7F_fT5cG3uo3NCCeBRlSJM07P6kwbYRRErdjmjxWY9rZI9haO4fL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your best bet is ebay, or if you'd care to contact Crawford Broadcasting headquarters in Denver. They may still have some of that stuff since they used to be big on AM stereo until they went to the digital dark side. One other possibility would be some of the engineering forums on the web. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} cheap mod monator Hi Let me ask again. Dose any one know where i can get a C-quam mod monitor? Thanks Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} cheap mod monator I take it that it has to be a stereo monitor? Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 01 14:21:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60822 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 22:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 22:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 22:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.68] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090301162118001044300011.0) with SMTP id <20090301162118001044300011> for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:21:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018701c99abc$e8f6fe40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:21:18 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ heard in western Washington! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=7KaSFtCaaJY0BXV8X6mr_p3gGE44Pe471t-2scU9igtRNo-PAEXi X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's quite a catch! Don't think they have a full time engineer so I'd send the report to Captain Steve, the owner. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicholas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I recently logged KCJJ 1630 Iowa City Iowa at home just about 100 miles south of Seattle. The station was even received in stereo albeit briefly and even got the information to make a reception report but don't know exactly who to send it to given that the station has several e-mail addresses. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 01 14:34:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99411 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 22:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 22:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 22:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.68] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090301163444002982400015.0) with SMTP id <20090301163444002982400015> for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:34:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01dd01c99abe$c8d78100$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:34:44 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tale of two Ford Stereos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=3dS0JtizjthtploNDrGnaBzFMo2s_fJMdnGc867TSqBG9JfEIaqe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems like recent issue car radio schematics and such are guarded as closely as gold at Ft. Knox. Likely you'll have to send them out to Downtown Radio in Denver, CO. There's another one in Syracuse, NY that has United in its name. Sorry I can't remember the complete name. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Higbee To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: {AMSF} Tale of two Ford Stereos I hope someone can point me in the right direction. I have two Ford Stereos with the model number of F57F19B165CG. Both have simular problems. Both units receive FM great it is AM and AM stereo where the problem starts. Unit one receives the entire am band except 1600khz. When you tune 1600khz it will receive stations in the 800-890khz area. Sometimes 870khz can be heard at 870 and at 1600khz and so on. Unit two receives the entire AM band except 1630khz sounds like I'm listening to it off frequency. like having a CB radio without usb/lsb and hearing someone on the usb/lsb talking. also the is a low frequency hum that is reduced when you press on the front of the stereo. Neither radio will decode AM Stereo quickly either. The RAZ in the 98' Chrysler T&C and the one I installed in a 94 safari decode quicker than the Fords will. Ideas anyone,anyone.. Scott Higbee Marne, Mi --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 01 14:37:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50772 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 22:37:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 22:37:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 22:37:34 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.68] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090301163707002952600010.0) with SMTP id <20090301163707002952600010> for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:37:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01e801c99abf$1de44520$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:37:07 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where is the Stereo Seperation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=j_LXm_67neudkY3tAumAE9maOZj19qRLlX3RJjcCmIAH8ROs_xgC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are you sure this thing also decodes CQUAM? Even if it does, I've heard reports of others which do both HD and AMS that it takes quite a bit of signal for it to decode the latter. As for your distortion problem are you sure you're not overdriving the modulator? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Higbee To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:32 AM Subject: {AMSF} Where is the Stereo Seperation? I just got one of those DMHD-1000 HD Radio tuners with the hope of hearing AM Stereo better than the Ford will. Yet I can't hear the Stereo seperation on any station in C-Quam. But then again HD AM stations are not using stereo much either. 50,000 watt nighttime talkers in HD whoopie doo!! Clearer ya, Stereo HAHAHAHA!!! No. Also has anyone noticed that the audio seems to be a bit distorted on these units either analog or digital. and is there a way to decrease it. It is going through the FM Modulator. Scott Higbee Marne, Mi --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bratina501@msn.com Sun Mar 01 15:50:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13808 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2009 23:50:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Mar 2009 23:50:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2009 23:50:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 23:50:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Mar 2009 23:50:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:50:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <018701c99abc$e8f6fe40$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.52.176 From: "Nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ heard in western Washington! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=oZY0--5dHIC7Y3vgxNnqSsq-QYA27NIb8rO5tZ5rIRNb3wmiwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > That's quite a catch! Don't think they have a full time engineer so I'd send the report to Captain Steve, the owner. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 I just sent Captain Steve an e-mail with the reception details and an aircheck attached. There is one thing about that radio station that never ceases to amaze me, they have an absolutely killer signal in the Midwest which rivals the 50 KW giants and I personally have observed this while visiting relatives in Missouri. Every single time I have heard them in this area I get full stereo reception no matter what antenna I am using. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Mar 01 16:43:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77874 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 00:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 00:43:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.243) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 00:43:00 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so1196050anc.27 for ; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:43:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.151.14 with SMTP id y14mr4265386and.117.1235954580408; Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:43:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.10.70? (host-209-149-112-250.ghs.org [209.149.112.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c40sm5828645anc.28.2009.03.01.16.42.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:42:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <96D64489-452A-4195-B493-DB9ECDF16028@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <005b01c99ab4$d4c46000$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 19:42:56 -0500 References: <8B225023-A40E-482C-AF02-49C2EF6A57CE@gmail.com> <005b01c99ab4$d4c46000$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=awFDI-iQlz86h_biTiWrwdxUoF3Wnz4SfNW4BFamp744r0hfSjvqI4fLXWceUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 1, 2009, at 4:23 PM, wrote: > Translation: better make sure your transmitter's overload > protection is working. Got that right!r and new China Tube filament shorted to plate and FRIED the power transformer in my FL-2100B 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Mar 01 18:40:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23146 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 02:40:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 02:40:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 02:40:32 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cab.405aaa36 (65099) for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:40:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:40:27 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=mp0xKvHNvWNBSsH5U0pv1_hj35CJEWyjdn2AUjKvpIJqyCv6fhGa45eAg4seFId6 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, If it were in the U.S., you cannot modify a transmitter without voiding its type approval. There may be similar regulations in the Chile. Might be worthwhile checking into it. Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Mar 01 18:43:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18846 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 02:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 02:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 02:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cec.50bc8677 (65099) for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:43:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:43:19 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} An MP3 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_KGCM_5wNLNamxbS08r7hOcxGQHA75ngoZ-3OrTASON_Z2rcENRs7E5OMFPtuy89 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I wasn't suggesting anything illegal. It's just that pirate allows you to make the changes you want. Beyond that, it's up to the user. Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Mar 01 18:49:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44311 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 02:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 02:49:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 02:49:52 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c8c.38ac1f86 (65099) for ; Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:49:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:49:48 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ heard in western Washington! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=dpJWr92GOxCugvp5qwDnzNeLlMM5EoOAGxHC2qEDPkUvEO-G_vTAVHGAIs1Auqdp X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KCJJ has amazing range. Aside from good local ground conductivity, I don't know what the secret is. They have only plain vanilla 1/4 tower. KCJJ comes into Northern Louisiana regularly. The really interesting thing is that KCJJ comes in even with where there is closer station on the same frequency. KCJJ should get some kind of award for their signal quality and coverage, especially given the modest size and resources of the station. Mike ************** Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 01 20:15:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96253 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 04:15:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 04:15:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 04:15:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 04:15:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 04:15:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:15:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01e801c99abf$1de44520$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.235.202.20 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Where is the Stereo Seperation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=-hbZm7BhJiz_iGybltc8lwU6lXBGLjFnjODdHkAfM8l9OVtPBcqfGhAZSr8E4EJ402SgKw X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Are you sure this thing also decodes CQUAM? Even if it does, I've=20 heard reports of others which do both HD and AMS that it takes quite=20 a bit of signal for it to decode the latter. >=20 > As for your distortion problem are you sure you're not overdriving=20 the modulator? >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Scott Higbee=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:32 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Where is the Stereo Seperation? >=20 >=20 > I just got one of those DMHD-1000 HD Radio tuners with the hope=20 of=20 > hearing AM Stereo better than the Ford will. Yet I can't hear the=20 > Stereo seperation on any station in C-Quam. But then again HD AM=20 > stations are not using stereo much either. 50,000 watt nighttime=20 > talkers in HD whoopie doo!! Clearer ya, Stereo HAHAHAHA!!! No. > Also has anyone noticed that the audio seems to be a bit=20 distorted on=20 > these units either analog or digital. and is there a way to=20 decrease=20 > it. It is going through the FM Modulator. >=20 > Scott Higbee > Marne, Mi >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > This would be the audio going from the DMHD1000's built-in FM=20 Modulator to the head unit. There doesn't seem to be any kind of=20 ajustment outboard on it. There may be some type of ajustment=20 inside, but I'm not sure. As far as decoding C-Quam, we don't have=20 any "local" stations in C-Quam. The closest ones are 580 in Traverse=20 City and 1660 in Kalamazoo. So I don't have any real strong ones to=20 try on. At night CFCO 630,KCJJ 1630 or WLS 890 are the strongest I=20 can get usually. So I guess I just wait and see.=20 From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 01 20:21:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59000 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 04:21:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 04:21:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 04:21:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 04:21:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 04:21:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:21:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01dd01c99abe$c8d78100$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.235.202.20 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tale of two Ford Stereos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=EDlNGvYRag8ACwUyCXP-tOu1lzjyzxCYaAdLtNt6wcZR95ct4GPAGcRycMBSh8uUcQuZTg X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Seems like recent issue car radio schematics and such are guarded=20 as closely as gold at Ft. Knox. Likely you'll have to send them out=20 to Downtown Radio in Denver, CO. There's another one in Syracuse, NY=20 that has United in its name. Sorry I can't remember the complete=20 name. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Scott Higbee=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:21 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Tale of two Ford Stereos >=20 >=20 >=20 > I hope someone can point me in the right direction. I have two=20 Ford=20 > Stereos with the model number of F57F19B165CG. Both have simular=20 > problems. Both units receive FM great it is AM and AM stereo=20 where the=20 > problem starts. Unit one receives the entire am band except=20 1600khz.=20 > When you tune 1600khz it will receive stations in the 800-890khz=20 area.=20 > Sometimes 870khz can be heard at 870 and at 1600khz and so on.=20 Unit=20 > two receives the entire AM band except 1630khz sounds like I'm=20 > listening to it off frequency. like having a CB radio without=20 usb/lsb=20 > and hearing someone on the usb/lsb talking. also the is a low=20 > frequency hum that is reduced when you press on the front of the=20 stereo. > Neither radio will decode AM Stereo quickly either. The RAZ in=20 the=20 > 98' Chrysler T&C and the one I installed in a 94 safari decode=20 quicker=20 > than the Fords will. Ideas anyone,anyone..=20 >=20 > Scott Higbee > Marne, Mi >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > UPDATE: I was messing around with them earlier and I got one to work as it=20 should by just switching the main face. Not sure why it made the=20 difference but "HEY IT WORKS"!!!! Good thing I only have one=20 Explorer :) From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 02:40:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71034 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 10:40:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 10:40:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 10:40:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 10:40:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 10:40:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:40:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.225 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} An MP3 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9FBOA5KS0bmKy7ZNqR_BVWjOuvWswLmZgmtceJ1mvd2_BWNG7w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 How could I know if WinAmp changes ONLY the tag and not the data=20 itself? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, Souht America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "orxata_d_xufa"=20 wrote: > > Have you tried Winamp? It allows you to change the ID3 tags very=20 easily. >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20 wrote: > >=20 > > I just want to, for example, translate the title of the song (in=20 the=20 > > MP3 tag) without to touch any other data in the file. > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 02:50:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44903 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 10:50:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 10:50:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 10:50:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 10:50:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 10:50:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:50:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005b01c99ab4$d4c46000$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.225 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=jOAq2bpg2e7qciR7uU8xko8UQbjJwp2Yv93n4ZFAxVcAXUQ8lw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thank for your advice!!! "My" McMartin is on the air since 1980 and the only two failures it=20 had was (1) a DC rectifier diodes in the solid state part power=20 supply module, and (2) an IC in the exciter module. I hope I won't have problems with the non-USA tubes. By the way, Do you think this TX can handle Stereo C-QUAM (with an=20 external Stereo exciter, of course)? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Translation: better make sure your transmitter's overload=20 protection is working. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: KJ4HYD=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20 > The Penta 4-1000 is made in China by Shuguang >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! --=20 http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 03:18:36 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31217;u=;t=1235992845;m=181391082;s=3612618058; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 03:22:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53999 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 11:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 11:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 11:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 11:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 11:22:45 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:22:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.225 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=m3h4AwCEYe3sZDLfUTXVhFMsNdNw54_1Xv_xs_hKrg_Gjd5phQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Scott, it seems to me like the NAB didn't have done their job well. Here, in Chile, ARCHI (Chilean Radiobroadcasters Association) got,=20 years ago, our local SUBTEL (Chilean FCC) just takes care about=20 three technical things about radio stations: Frecuency, Power and=20 Coverage area. If the station "plays" within that 3 specs, it doesn't matter how!!! In other words, we can do anything with our TXs if the final results=20 are INTO that 3 characteristics. The only two things that still are in some "ambiguous" zone (there=20 aren't clear rules about it) are: 1) Antennas. I mean, from time to time our SUBTEL=20 becomes... "annoying" about lenght, lights, paint, schematic=20 drawing, etc. 2) Paperwork. We need a lot of legal papers to get a license, most=20 of them absolutely not radio related. Sometimes I wonder... Why the USA radiobroadcasters seems weak in=20 front of the FCC? I agree we need some regulations BUT... not a "Tyrant" law!!! Just my humble opinion. But, come back to the main point, maybe I'd have some problems to=20 change the bias value, I don't know. And I don't see how to change=20 the air flow (it is a fix system). Maybe it would be better to stay=20 with the original 4-1000A tubes (until I can change the TX) and hope=20 and trust the chinese will be working into the "fairplay" arena,=20 hahahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Scott, >=20 > If it were in the U.S., you cannot modify a transmitter without=20 voiding its=20 > type approval. There may be similar regulations in the Chile.=20=20 Might be=20 > worthwhile checking into it. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in=20 > your neighborhood today.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3DTax+Return+Preparation+% 26+Filing&ncid=3Demlcntusyelp00000004) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 03:39:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50121 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 11:39:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 11:39:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 11:39:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 11:39:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 11:39:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:39:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.225 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Excuse my ignorance, again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=HN8VNNNmTsmnAk8D3OFMO8abjBdw5xGngR1sizZM2q1cO0AtGw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I need some help to learn some "academic" knowledge because, as=20 everybody knows, I'm not an engineer and all my learning has=20 been "practical", seeing others. 1) Some guy told me about to put the radials above (out of) the=20 ground, in the air, visible. Is it a good idea? Do we win something=20 with that? 2) I know it is used a lot of insulators in the AM supporting guys=20 to avoid they become resonant. But, as I don't have any experience=20 with that because I only have made HAM radio antennas, I wonder, Why=20 it is important? What if they becomes resonant? More interferences?=20 Problems to the TX? Dangerous to someone??? 3) What if my antenna has too much narrow band? How could I fix it? 4) I know I can use my today AM tower as a supporting tower to an FM=20 station antenna, but I don't know if it is easy and cheap. Can you=20 light me about it? Please, excuse my ignorance and thank you so much for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Mar 02 03:47:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65436 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 11:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 11:47:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 11:47:20 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1348291yxg.37 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:47:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.122.8 with SMTP id u8mr1139872anc.41.1235994439924; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:47:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.10.70? (host-209-149-112-250.ghs.org [209.149.112.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d21sm9669168and.46.2009.03.02.03.47.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:47:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:47:17 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} An MP3 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Vbgf7mCUm1RiHB2_B0YrpEx02RYG0OMw2zdtioTg9jvIjNdeCGLohygrOpP5iA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 2, 2009, at 5:40 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > How could I know if WinAmp changes ONLY the tag and not the data > itself? I leaves the file format alone as it works in the mp3 domain. Send me a SASE big enough to send a CD in, and I will send you an ad-on that turns WINAMP into an OPTIMOD-FM on the Output :-) LEWIS K RAPER, KJ4HYD 107 MOORE CT SIMPSONVILLE, SC 29681 USA 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Mar 02 03:50:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8375 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 11:50:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 11:50:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 11:50:07 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1232266yxb.63 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:50:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.151.14 with SMTP id y14mr4534644and.117.1235994607200; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:50:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.10.70? (host-209-149-112-250.ghs.org [209.149.112.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d24sm6695574and.50.2009.03.02.03.50.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:50:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <1AECB851-D762-4965-B6EC-94B02A560D77@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:50:04 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=KVbjvb7d0OWtTzzaw7AaNhf2L6vhAB2eahmGZAV20snBiKBeCffDGqP-VGhHgg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 2, 2009, at 5:50 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > By the way, Do you think this TX can handle Stereo C-QUAM (with an > external Stereo exciter, of course)? I had a BA1K that sounded good to about 90% Modulation and muffled all to Hell above that level. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Mar 02 04:13:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12261 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 12:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 12:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.150) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 12:13:29 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1870039qwk.24 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:13:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.46.16 with SMTP id h16mr7392395qaf.22.1235996008590; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:13:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.10.70? (host-209-149-112-250.ghs.org [209.149.112.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm5444093qwb.31.2009.03.02.04.13.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:13:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <338CACDC-7546-45BA-B2C0-3BA8E58AA969@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:13:25 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Excuse my ignorance, again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=rmBcvG4xmP-MdoguvTZ_52PIJHE2CQtS_dFYruX1jq77novEtlcM5psmDd0MwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 2, 2009, at 6:39 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > 1) Some guy told me about to put the radials above (out of) the > ground, in the air, visible. Is it a good idea? Do we win something > with that? If your ground conductivity sucks, it helps. WPCI 1490 has such a ground > > 2) I know it is used a lot of insulators in the AM supporting guys > to avoid they become resonant. But, as I don't have any experience > with that because I only have made HAM radio antennas, I wonder, Why > it is important? It would be the same as hanging your 160 Meter dipole with metal cable. It would re-radiate and make all sort os weird standing waves. > > 3) What if my antenna has too much narrow band? How could I fix it? "Q" is too high. Tune tower at the base with a "Pi" network, give it less Inductance and more capacitance. > > 4) I know I can use my today AM tower as a supporting tower to an FM > station antenna, but I don't know if it is easy and cheap. Can you > light me about it? Cheap easy way is Ground the tower and shunt feed the AM, feed the FM like any other tower but may need a block for the AM on the FM Xmtr. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 04:36:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81188 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 12:36:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 12:36:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 12:36:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 12:36:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 12:36:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:36:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1AECB851-D762-4965-B6EC-94B02A560D77@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.100 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=yzduw1wAdHf0MPyyz52j7tWKqAaQ8j_OMJwJATiXlfbgXz38_w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Very interesting!!! Did you know the reason? Could you fix it? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > >=20 > On Mar 2, 2009, at 5:50 AM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > By the way, Do you think this TX can handle Stereo C-QUAM (with=20 an > > external Stereo exciter, of course)? >=20 > I had a BA1K that sounded good to about 90% Modulation and muffled=20 all=20=20 > to Hell above that level. >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 04:44:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44279 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 12:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 12:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 12:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 12:44:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 12:44:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:44:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.100 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} An MP3 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=yMO8r-uDE7Lftuvim3UDuG7dVMqKio6M9AP5nWxTVROV6qXSnw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thank you so much, but I already have a plug-in to get it (Sound=20 Solution). Believe it or not, we're using WinAmp, with that plug-in, to put on=20 the air our little FM Stereo station (250 Wts at 89.9 MHZ). By the way, all the other FM stations here (Curic=F3, Chile) have 1000=20 Wts power but, believe it or not, we reach more kilometers with our=20 weak 250 Wts, and I don't know why!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > >=20 > On Mar 2, 2009, at 5:40 AM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > How could I know if WinAmp changes ONLY the tag and not the=20 data=20=20 > > itself? >=20 > I leaves the file format alone as it works in the mp3 domain. Send=20 me=20=20 > a SASE big enough to send a CD in, and I will send you an ad-on=20 that=20=20 > turns WINAMP into an OPTIMOD-FM on the Output :-) >=20 > LEWIS K RAPER, KJ4HYD > 107 MOORE CT > SIMPSONVILLE, SC 29681 > USA >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 04:47:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41042 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 12:47:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 12:47:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 12:47:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 12:47:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 12:47:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:47:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <338CACDC-7546-45BA-B2C0-3BA8E58AA969@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.100 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Excuse my ignorance, again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=5BRHHKGujlRohrgMtHUOv9PfZQx_jScXGLp0cyOJXNdEgDpUdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thank you so much for your help!!!!!!! By the way, Is there some way to avoid that resonance without using=20 the infamous insulators? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > >=20 > On Mar 2, 2009, at 6:39 AM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > 1) Some guy told me about to put the radials above (out of) the > > ground, in the air, visible. Is it a good idea? Do we win=20 something > > with that? >=20 > If your ground conductivity sucks, it helps. WPCI 1490 has such a=20 ground > > > > 2) I know it is used a lot of insulators in the AM supporting=20 guys=20=20 > > to avoid they become resonant. But, as I don't have any=20 experience=20=20 > > with that because I only have made HAM radio antennas, I wonder,=20 Why=20=20 > > it is important? >=20 > It would be the same as hanging your 160 Meter dipole with metal=20=20 > cable. It would re-radiate and make all sort os weird standing=20 waves. > > > > 3) What if my antenna has too much narrow band? How could I fix=20 it? >=20 > "Q" is too high. Tune tower at the base with a "Pi" network, give=20 it=20=20 > less Inductance and more capacitance. > > > > 4) I know I can use my today AM tower as a supporting tower to=20 an FM=20=20 > > station antenna, but I don't know if it is easy and cheap. Can=20 you=20=20 > > light me about it? >=20 > Cheap easy way is Ground the tower and shunt feed the AM, feed the=20 FM=20=20 > like any other tower but may need a block for the AM on the FM=20 Xmtr. >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Mar 02 04:53:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81240 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 12:53:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 12:53:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.146) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 12:53:14 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so1872425qwa.42 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:53:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.45.204 with SMTP id g12mr7415763qaf.170.1235998393728; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:53:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.10.70? (host-209-149-112-250.ghs.org [209.149.112.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm4957835qwa.42.2009.03.02.04.53.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:53:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <7D4B8DC7-5E2A-41AE-BFC7-E2BC399E52F0@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:53:10 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=mARYeNFx7-J6NI4AAavpWUqzX7RJsdY3B8mIrLiktEcje8zJXdYClp5UXOng_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 2, 2009, at 7:36 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > Did you know the reason? Power supplly is a wimp > Could you fix it? Yup, but i am actually real sick in the hospital with double pneumonia :-( Needs bigger HV transformer and mod transformer. May need mod reactor with more scrotum as well. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Mar 02 05:12:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21511 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 13:12:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 13:12:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 13:12:37 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so1951472qwi.13 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:12:36 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.45.69 with SMTP id d5mr7447134qaf.157.1235999556805; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:12:36 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.10.70? (host-209-149-112-250.ghs.org [209.149.112.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm5495388qwh.59.2009.03.02.05.12.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:12:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6BC4A446-6448-464E-A881-F311AEE82B18@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:12:32 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Excuse my ignorance, again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Wu-lVyp3-2eXYJNTQPcsN3AKztaErxbsaFUjnDyejz_IcDlrWfPCTLopTlG9pQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 2, 2009, at 7:47 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > By the way, Is there some way to avoid that resonance without using > the infamous insulators? Self supporting Free-Standing Tower. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Mar 02 05:25:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84079 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 13:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 13:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f14.google.com) (209.85.221.14) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 13:25:23 -0000 X-Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14so558524qyk.24 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:25:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.54.81 with SMTP id p17mr2306377qag.28.1236000322543; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:25:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.10.70? (host-209-149-112-250.ghs.org [209.149.112.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm5634128qwe.55.2009.03.02.05.25.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:25:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 08:25:18 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.14 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} An MP3 question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=gGl_YKKFI-MyAsYss7dlfvucsNRoZxldN303phBioGrdAgl4aicita-mkQoLVA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mar 2, 2009, at 7:44 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > By the way, all the other FM stations here (Curic=F3, Chile) have 1000 > Wts power but, believe it or not, we reach more kilometers with our > weak 250 Wts, and I don't know why!!! The same thing I keep brow beating into the heads of our local Hams:=20=20 It is all about antenna gain, Height, and efficiency. and most of all,=20=20 GROUND! I can strap these hams with big radios and goof-ball antennas=20=20 with my Home brew J-Pole made from water pipe scraps and my 10 Watt=20=20 Radio Shack 2 Meter rig. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 06:46:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79770 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 14:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 14:46:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 14:46:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38581 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2009 14:46:03 -0000 Message-ID: <512368.29747.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: i4JoSnwVM1k7y3G8XjWwXRpfYG6qINHlNtVSpCElW5MhFw6bR0tNd.JFOTFpe9cPdZZYu9lJQVb_4tA2t_DLEP0YyDcVnZl5pMEUeipJTdnzNUdGgto4AsqSD1_CG5i.N49Svm6ZDdrmNAACmmDopg5S408Vg9fqRNpXJ5SlMM7.3Q-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 06:46:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:46:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re:Where is the Stereo Seperation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=tcxQ7mpoO4nuowiiXMWXd7J7eJ6n9lUGvXKXCBF2qgqAXiqGb--zEqY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Scott H wrote: "...I just got one of those DMHD-1000 HD Radio tuners with the hope of hearing AM Stereo better than the Ford will. Yet I can't hear the Stereo seperation on any station in C-Quam..." Scott, I have the same unit in my car, and I haven't been able to get it to decode C-Quam from CFCO, so that is a huge disappointment as SOME of the HD radios will. Mine also has a crappy FM modulator - most noticable when listening to an HD-AM station, I heard "lisping", but after about 15 minutes, it goes away and gets better as the unit 'heats up' (literally). The audio coming out of the RCA jacks is even more distorted, so stay with the built-in FM modulator. Not a very good way to promote HD radio with this radio! analog FM is decent, but analog AM is not very good as it cuts down the bandwidth too much, so I switch the HD off and listen on the Chrysler RAZ instead to hear CFCO in stereo. John From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 08:19:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10157 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 16:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 16:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 16:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 16:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2009 16:19:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:19:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7D4B8DC7-5E2A-41AE-BFC7-E2BC399E52F0@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.68 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=g0NuS6B6uiYz-fB0ymK_i2vxC2UNGTV51txd4JQ4n8QSmZdE5g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I think I wouldn't have the same problem because it is a BA-2.5K,=20 capable to raise to 2500 Wts, but I just have license to 1000 so, I=20 think, the power supply wouldn't be an issue, or Am I wrong? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > >=20 > On Mar 2, 2009, at 7:36 AM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > Did you know the reason? >=20 > Power supplly is a wimp >=20 > > Could you fix it? >=20 > Yup, but i am actually real sick in the hospital with double=20=20 > pneumonia :-( >=20 > Needs bigger HV transformer and mod transformer. May need mod=20 reactor=20=20 > with more scrotum as well. >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Mar 02 08:25:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59228 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 16:25:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 16:25:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.153) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 16:25:52 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so1315202fgg.9 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:25:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.86.59.2 with SMTP id h2mr6824535fga.30.1236011151167; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:25:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.10.70? (host-209-149-112-250.ghs.org [209.149.112.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e20sm80193fga.16.2009.03.02.08.25.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 02 Mar 2009 08:25:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <425BA449-0075-41C9-B49F-BA3D4669AD96@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:25:47 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=SpqOS7wRS_VtyrZfkyZknupdDjwG5_kAYffndGWKtKNepfgGiPnCMeKJH823sg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 2, 2009, at 11:19 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > I think, the power supply wouldn't be an issue, or Am I wrong? Agreed, should not be a problem. The 4-1000s should last nearly forever in that service. What is your plate Volts and Plate Amps and Antenna Current and impedance of your tower? 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 10:22:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 720 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 18:22:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 18:22:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 18:22:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57032 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2009 18:22:20 -0000 Message-ID: <208483.56925.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: NHsRIfIVM1nYZCzqDjoEAm.1IxaGDyiZSoLNn7_nlU9VqlNCBCTBY5N9_LmM8B2B1GWL7RcTdMT4f_TzMhtbTIc0pDLO2NR6ygXIAUgG7MftMNkgV4c8G2XDXgegBo0Dz3Ur4F2_nnFaJq_rtasJZd3HZonuo6sCkXBNaLfYXySHa2_Vr75bITBBDULeMpRZCGRZXcWBvRi6UqaqgBWr9Uyr X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:22:19 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:22:19 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <512368.29747.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: as a side note WSPA-TV towers fall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=pYEwduBwObqD67o5sn02B7Mt2VV6DNhIx92JxBLRyIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW http://www.wspa.com/spa/news/local/article/live_stream_news_channel_7_at_600pm/15132/ NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Mar 02 10:52:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51618 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 18:52:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 18:52:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s34.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.237) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 18:52:31 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W40 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s34.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:52:30 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:52:31 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <208483.56925.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <512368.29747.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <208483.56925.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2009 18:52:30.0984 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A619080:01C99B68] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} as a side note WSPA-TV towers fall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=vJYSfDlptWIK64CBvfthdzk0_qFArVX9YPKT-DykiqQeJdUPoFUC X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Damn! MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: w4opw@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 10:22:19 -0800 Subject: {AMSF} as a side note WSPA-TV towers fall http://www.wspa.com/spa/news/local/article/live_stream_news_channel_7_at_600pm/15132/ NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Mar 02 10:54:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35218 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 18:54:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 18:54:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.152) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 18:54:58 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so890395fgb.29 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:54:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.86.92.9 with SMTP id p9mr4930004fgb.15.1236020097078; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:54:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.10.70? (host-209-149-112-250.ghs.org [209.149.112.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l19sm11340735fgb.47.2009.03.02.10.54.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 02 Mar 2009 10:54:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <022FF7F9-5FF3-4927-94AC-45948E8FD439@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:54:53 -0500 References: <512368.29747.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <208483.56925.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} as a side note WSPA-TV towers fall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=U-cafi5GdYbv1T0Hat1BOCA-XwoCrWJlMShf779RASMdvbnKGRAvpIulrS5Bgw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 2, 2009, at 1:52 PM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > > Damn! OVERLOAD DE TOWERS? WE NO OVERLOAD DA STINKING TOWERS MAN! 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 11:19:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70113 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 19:19:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 19:19:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:19:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62138 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2009 19:19:36 -0000 Message-ID: <642758.60860.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: p9eADCEVM1lU.qxcfGxwrcjZ0tht7JwRGbbcLpR_iCD98IchqXLBT9Y0y2ClFsd3QD0phZtnBhett9tBb_4n7SKk_YtCx0O64EwexwYYfFZITbo8cFP1_J4WtmZ87ExZ0iIor7dyr5D384tZtjUaO5RlE.yTofYMijAs_RuGpjSyATttb5z9hF0dN5tQbV2R8Rb2sDMXzLZz58BbdPL.pL3t X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:19:36 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:19:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} as a side note WSPA-TV towers fall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=fA2vR4lS-RdTUd_pp2Em5wfk8c0SCCsCZkJUHvx9QHg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I bet the folks at WSPA TV, especially the engineers, had a few more special words in addtion to DAMN! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 3/2/09, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > Damn! From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Mar 02 11:44:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64014 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 19:44:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 19:44:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s10.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.213) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 19:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W8 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s10.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:44:21 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:44:21 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <642758.60860.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <642758.60860.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2009 19:44:21.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[4875BAC0:01C99B6F] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} as a side note WSPA-TV towers fall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=xLPja6CNEwnWcwlNYM5KBgZ3H5CiYIIUZVe2-6bZwM3jXj1AR0yu X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ooooh Yeah!!! Michael To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: w4opw@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:19:36 -0800 Subject: RE: {AMSF} as a side note WSPA-TV towers fall I bet the folks at WSPA TV, especially the engineers, had a few more special words in addtion to DAMN! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 3/2/09, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > Damn! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 02 13:25:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84507 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 21:25:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 21:25:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 21:25:05 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cb1.3c503560 (41811) for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:21:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:21:21 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Excuse my ignorance, again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vk-Bxpljxghkij_JNOOpLlGdMzZqajWy6JdNYjd40cjzTp15OA2wPzPUiQgO9-V9 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/2/2009 7:12:46 AM Central Standard Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > Self supporting Free-Standing Tower. > Right you are. However, the extra cost of construction and three or four base insulators usually cost alot more than guy wire insulators. I can't recall a newly constructed freestanding AM tower in recent history. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 02 14:07:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62974 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 22:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 22:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 22:07:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cec.50cee350 (41811) for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:07:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:07:13 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_UNEzyzvzTiTn80aOzve2SF7OkGdwTEc_nnBCChRqLxETGGHdOXeA9cW7dLP2J0I X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have to match the operating point, that is voltage and current. That depends on the output tubes and matching network. Some tubes work into a lower impedance than others. What is your present final plate voltage and current? Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 02 14:12:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35259 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 22:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 22:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 22:12:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d05.4fcfe65c (41811) for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:10:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:11:34 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} as a side note WSPA-TV towers fall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=SLJvRmPJMPZqvF_dd6bcH2_1PgJ2TX7X7eh6_AL9ENPqUCfbVBcLZagio-aeQdRX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ice loading on towers is a serious matter, especially when in warmer climes when icing is not a common occurence. I see that was a free-standing tower. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 02 14:21:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88818 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 22:21:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 22:21:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 22:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bc4.42678178 (41811) for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:19:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:19:58 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} as a side note WSPA-TV towers fall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=M8AlgtOxmHZjPUrs6wQVWZBl-4X7YzjvJQASYnFlvjlMv31E8cJi0HGUFWL6XwDW X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know if anyone got hurt? This is one of the reasons not to put an manned transmitter shed directly at the base of a tower. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 14:36:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68107 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 22:36:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 22:36:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 22:36:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26479 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2009 22:36:25 -0000 Message-ID: <504216.26089.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Pgt7l_cVM1kUGrkK7QgcSH8EeWAn2izUg17aNqlnMd7_51_fFQVWdvQ0bv9SuJS7ztEmzoqd76c2pOSd79ZZEMJyLIy5T89JxBKiFPrmqUAldRXlXtb48oDsZI5t3u3LqHzZAvsMQ3u4zda.3XCScM9RkiALNY87kUFoVWzwtTnUkqJ69n92KiHpO1b5DinZRZVildqkdg.YRFBNYc4kUrYO X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 14:36:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:36:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} as a side note WSPA-TV towers fall X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=G3GzttoGQqPTf6h4uE2APOp6NeA0X0xMpDPMsZE9D3k X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Unmanned. It's a very heavy duty 2 story building. WSPA-FM down the hill has a building that can withstand direct hit by a MAJOR tornado, fire, earthquake, ETC. That said, an major failure requiring a trip is a long ride and it's a winding road to the top. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 3/2/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know if anyone got hurt? > > This is one of the reasons not to put an manned transmitter > shed directly at the base of a tower. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 20:12:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74270 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 04:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 04:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 04:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2009 04:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2009 04:12:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:12:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <425BA449-0075-41C9-B49F-BA3D4669AD96@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.209 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=jxJJkgeHOSH5fpjKl9N3--DcynKLtkl5sX9BZNBPITji1clSyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 The TX works with: Plate Voltage: 3100 V. Plate Current: 0.5 A. RF Amperes: 3.8 A. I don't have any idea which is the tower impedance, but I guess it=20 is so good because my coverage area is about 15 kms (9 miles) more=20 than the expected with an audio response up to 8 KHZ and not=20 significant splatters. Don't ask me how or why. It is what it is. The only one problem I have is a very noticeable audio distortion if=20 I let to pass any below 80 HZ (I have done a lot of tests about it=20 and... nothing!!!). For this reason I cut this frecuencies with a=20 graphic equalizer. Not all is perfect in this world. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > >=20 > On Mar 2, 2009, at 11:19 AM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > I think, the power supply wouldn't be an issue, or Am I wrong? >=20 > Agreed, should not be a problem. >=20 > The 4-1000s should last nearly forever in that service. What is=20 your=20=20 > plate Volts and Plate Amps and Antenna Current and impedance of=20 your=20=20 > tower? >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 02 20:16:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50669 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 04:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 04:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 04:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2009 04:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2009 04:16:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:16:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.209 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Excuse my ignorance, again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9GQYiQTdh2OQhDtz85P08KdHsP30VSAM-7ogb7SWFKUmdtYf8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Does somebody want to help me with the money? Hahahahahaahahaha!!!!!!! Just kidding. My problem is: It is so hard to find the infamous insulators!!! I=20 guess I'll have to use the same that are in use today. A risk, but... GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/2/2009 7:12:46 AM Central Standard Time,=20 > kj4hyd@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Self supporting Free-Standing Tower. > >=20 >=20 > Right you are. However, the extra cost of construction and three=20 or four=20 > base insulators usually cost alot more than guy wire insulators. >=20 > I can't recall a newly constructed freestanding AM tower in recent=20 history. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search? query=3Demployment_agencies&ncid=3Demlcntusyelp00000005) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 02 21:30:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2878 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 05:30:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 05:30:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.210) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 05:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c66.4abd8f50 (41811) for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:30:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:30:26 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=WQu-R5DwVWlfC5-SysHJZIQpu8zUQrSwNaU3i2Z0JlVCtb9SSEbeoPoAL_uxvE6X X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, The numbers seem right. Assuming it is a high level plate modulated final. This type of output runs about 70% efficiency. I take it the RF current is the input to the tower base? Working backwards, the tower impedance seems to be about 69 ohms. Are you using an ATU and transmission line? As someone mentioned, your good coverage is most likely due to a good grounding system. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 02 21:32:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8803 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 05:32:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 05:32:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 05:32:45 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d06.4d8765b1 (41811) for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:32:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:32:42 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=sg4LfCKvLwuqVcj5OlElExsTRxNJlfAFy3QePTGApaOolviPSSNfiJ6qf7YSj8oO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is the low frequency distortion harmonic distortion of the fundamental or IM distortion of higher frequencies? Does the overall signal seem to "mush" when there is low bass? How balanced are the plate currents in the modulator tubes? Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 02 21:35:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70231 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 05:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 05:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 05:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c9c.4147882f (41811) for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:35:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:35:36 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Excuse my ignorance, again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=MOB2-LY2-u0YyCYWUkyks7N9VIinbHPWUcgdNcLdNBGsv8SF3I4ssFECkiFOOLtt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will check around. For the insulators, not the money. There are most likely some enterprising legit companies dismantling old AM towers for their scrap metal value. The insulators have no value due to their raw materials. Have you priced a free standing tower? You could shunt feed it and not need any insulators. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Mar 03 05:20:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1627 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 13:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 13:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 13:20:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26303 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2009 13:20:29 -0000 Message-ID: <633044.17696.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 33IqD4QVM1nQXqDCBOYGNDPqFnPM6vL8Hxveo6WyxgVLMrxff.VXRfmIkxFTm1Zhkcvqe.RpTPwuxDD3dHxxl.xOaOJg6itOAY_oFj7N12QQv2tnLCuzEWcyitXf0X65.fefbm94.YQGFs_HxsoU_Q4JlzfnMakdywRoIfAs80WjjA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:20:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 05:20:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Harris Transmitter C-Quam Unit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=P2IkjQ6e-0OmCLOXbrBAShaeGyOVsjv5xno093syaVMvyEAEzhErJds X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anybody have a 15-year old solid-state Harris transmitter that easily accepts their C-Quam adapter? There's one up for sale on eBay! -John From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Mar 03 07:13:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98723 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 15:13:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 15:13:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.246) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 15:13:33 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so3202049rvf.16 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:13:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.197.10 with SMTP id u10mr3433652waf.96.1236093212969; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:13:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.10.70? (host-209-149-112-250.ghs.org [209.149.112.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n20sm12965055pof.3.2009.03.03.07.13.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:13:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <633044.17696.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:13:28 -0500 References: <633044.17696.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris Transmitter C-Quam Unit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=U8QRNHIJr7bFVI_Tpgvb4KJd7zZ3t2mMJ7ZxWbuWcUBia8uzQrTczhK7ADsLcA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 3, 2009, at 8:20 AM, John P. wrote: > > Anybody have a 15-year old solid-state Harris transmitter that > easily accepts their C-Quam adapter? Ain't gotta be Solid State, you can shove that signal down purt near ANYTHING but a VP-50 or Vanguard 1 & gotta have the Stereo mod kit for MW series. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Mar 03 10:09:53 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 38718 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 18:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 18:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 18:09:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1236103790; bh=sZx3d/HqRNFoJre8+TVo5BumkArNwSt8Qr+/SMhgCz0=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-UNTD-OriginStamp:X-Received:To:Date:Message-ID:X-Mailer:MIME-Version:X-Juno-Line-Breaks:X-ContentStamp:X-UNTD-Peer-Info:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=pFDA5mT9FFv4K+2SaYUFsSLFolfsNkMjywEh1XNYi25YkXsTF9QPgr1oVKphRuCbmZ+6sxd9Io3cJGlZMWpet3/XPy4TpSm+NcndTYwWZC5a4EocdUAwZ8GZn/35NFo9 Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2009 18:09:50 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2009 18:09:50 -0000 X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71497 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 17:24:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 17:24:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-jn.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.20) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 17:24:45 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE42FT9AW7EXCS for (sender ); Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:24:15 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD3q4/+2bYH5SQ0F0QZm4leA= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PANSFZBN; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:23:36 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:23:04 -0800 Message-ID: <20090302.092304.2512.5.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,8-9,19-20,21-32767 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:2430507087 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Citadel Broadcasting Corp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=kqj21o59jDi23rTdrneAQvnxXMJMtulHymneaxIXqg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 03 Mar 2009 18:09:49 -0000 Thinking about investing in broadcasting? Here is a stock with a price we can all afford.=20 Citadel Broadcasting Corp stock violated two listing rules at the New York Stock Exchange - the $1 minimum trading price and $75 million minimum market cap =96 and it=92s losing its place on the exchange as of th= is coming Friday. As you=92d expect, that news sent Citadel stock further down into the cellar. =93CDL=94 set another new 52-week low, down five cents to close at nine cents. Friday=92s volume of 3.2 million shares was four times the recent daily average. The New York Stock Exchange is asking the SEC for permission to institute new standards for listing, but those won=92t come in time to help Farid Suleman and Citadel. The stock will trade under a new symbol starting next week. But hurry - The price has soared to $0.10 this morning, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Mar 03 10:10:07 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77556 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 18:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 18:10:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n45d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.159) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 18:10:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1236103805; bh=TZo+5rOimLMwX65ZXzIwi8t5HxcGJES6+dpRwp+TZdU=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-UNTD-OriginStamp:X-Received:To:Date:Message-ID:X-Mailer:MIME-Version:X-Juno-Line-Breaks:X-ContentStamp:X-UNTD-Peer-Info:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=XUIPVC0b1ak8cceTea5bZLgUyQNfjI2WYxcYSx4J9opkY/cViXChWfJUgE+CdMH90FsdJUGn4YN2c9jgp9kAQphtOn7ydgS0OrG26JcBG6DtbWCZZ1SKyplmmwYVdi1q Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2009 18:10:05 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2009 18:10:05 -0000 X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66816 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2009 17:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2009 17:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-jn.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.20) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2009 17:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE42GSTA6YZVDS for (sender ); Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:40:33 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDwKuyiO6ywsdI952fENXdbU= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PANTDTW6; Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:39:54 PST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:39:20 -0800 Message-ID: <20090302.093920.2512.7.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,8-9,18-21,23-24,34-35,36-32767 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:2582359603 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Citadel Broadcasting Corp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=18HYOZOUkyZV8bfc9q0SXE_X4euOXgZKx8m2CtRV9g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 03 Mar 2009 18:10:04 -0000 And then I recalled that some on this list may not know what Citadel Broadcasting is: Citadel Broadcasting is the largest pure play radio company in the United States, with a strong national footprint reaching more than 50 markets. The company is comprised of 165 FM stations and 58 AM stations in the nation's leading markets. Citadel Broadcasting also owns and operates ABC Radio Networks, which creates and distributes programming to more than 4,000 affiliates. The programming includes popular syndicated radio programs such as Paul Harvey News and commentary and The Tom Joyner Morning Show, as well as 24/7 music formats. A company focused exclusively on the radio business. Now, as we were saying: Thinking about investing in broadcasting? Here is a stock with a price we can all afford.=20 Citadel Broadcasting Corp stock violated two listing rules at the New York Stock Exchange - the $1 minimum trading price and $75 million minimum market cap =96 and it=92s losing its place on the exchange as of th= is coming Friday. As you=92d expect, that sent Citadel stock further down into the cellar. =93CDL=94 set another new 52-week low, down five cents to close at nine cents. Friday=92s volume of 3.2 million shares was four times the recent daily average. The New York Stock Exchange is asking the SEC for permission to institute new standards for listing, but those won=92t come in time to help Farid Suleman and Citadel. The stock will trade under a new symbol starting next week. But hurry - The price has soared to $0.10 this morning, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Mar 03 14:40:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84464 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 22:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 22:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 22:40:30 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.215] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090303163958001356000016.0) with SMTP id <20090303163958001356000016> for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:39:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001901c99c51$db40a260$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:39:58 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KCJJ heard in western Washington! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=7Ko0Yddf-bD0dmxDi3XltQ5Un4FWKSzsjtUnLOxMhwDyPUbdt8Xf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oddly enough they don't come in all that well here or at least consistently. Maybe I'm in some sort of skip zone. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 8:49 PM KCJJ has amazing range. Aside from good local ground conductivity, I don't know what the secret is. They have only plain vanilla 1/4 tower. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Mar 03 14:42:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9551 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 22:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 22:42:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 22:42:55 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.215] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090303164223000511200010.0) with SMTP id <20090303164223000511200010> for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:42:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003001c99c52$30d53420$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:42:23 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Tale of two Ford Stereos X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=qS5jpcs4ZLkVtW3ECfsboXmDQiCN3Qckv3SlkRMj1X4W0XeuvDsC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That tells me you likely had some oxidation built up on some of the main face contacts. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Higbee To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:21 PM UPDATE: I was messing around with them earlier and I got one to work as it should by just switching the main face. Not sure why it made the difference but "HEY IT WORKS"!!!! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Mar 03 14:50:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19349 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 22:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 22:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 22:50:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.215] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090303164934001479200010.0) with SMTP id <20090303164934001479200010> for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:49:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008e01c99c53$31cb5e80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:49:34 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=5Wx0WRbr8YKd2_iTZdbuwe3bCh7c5BMRhK4av9E6LVzVjqRITY8X X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It should work quite well. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:50 AM By the way, Do you think this TX can handle Stereo C-QUAM (with an external Stereo exciter, of course)? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Mar 03 15:00:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90676 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 23:00:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 23:00:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 23:00:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.215] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090303170041002868700010.0) with SMTP id <20090303170041002868700010> for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:00:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <011c01c99c54$bf449aa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <633044.17696.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:00:41 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris Transmitter C-Quam Unit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ZX20qVE1tNiQN4jA447mh7oh68gzSMS2QZugaownAvrbJ5A5ZWpX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why would a VP-50 be a problem (other than the fact so few exist)? :) Too many narrow-band IPA stages? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ4HYD To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:13 AM Ain't gotta be Solid State, you can shove that signal down purt near ANYTHING but a VP-50 or Vanguard 1 & gotta have the Stereo mod kit for MW series. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Mar 03 15:07:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17838 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 23:07:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 23:07:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f179.google.com) (209.85.219.179) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 23:07:30 -0000 X-Received: by ewy27 with SMTP id 27so2406082ewy.3 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:07:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.216.28.198 with SMTP id g48mr470656wea.109.1236121649138; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:07:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.10.70? (host-209-149-112-250.ghs.org [209.149.112.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j8sm1772269gvb.21.2009.03.03.15.07.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:07:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <77F81A9A-5578-4795-9B7B-47915AB3F2C4@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <011c01c99c54$bf449aa0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:07:24 -0500 References: <633044.17696.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <011c01c99c54$bf449aa0$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris Transmitter C-Quam Unit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=RO5pNSoZNJ9Cxd1iBr4ieUT59F77rFwXvxOc7hWPoJZ2p8xnLTWusGrudjZxsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 3, 2009, at 6:00 PM, wrote: > Why would a VP-50 be a problem (other than the fact so few > exist)? :) Too many narrow-band IPA stages? Among other fun things like incidental FM and is generally a pile of JUNK. Yea, I have personally fought the C-QUAM Vs VP-50 war with a couple of other engineers at WHYZ. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Mar 03 15:44:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85295 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2009 23:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2009 23:44:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.154) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2009 23:44:21 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so142508fgb.0 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:44:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.86.82.16 with SMTP id f16mr8494126fgb.32.1236123860109; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:44:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?172.16.10.70? (host-209-149-112-250.ghs.org [209.149.112.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d4sm1314286fga.5.2009.03.03.15.44.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:44:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3715D50B-F2F9-447D-AA0A-6B3BC9EC6CED@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:44:15 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=qg10jcP1Oh_DQZltaZZTU0J0XCpBgbSAqxnp74SmqayoYUUKInzMRpwKYeSh2w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 2, 2009, at 11:12 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > The only one problem I have is a very noticeable audio distortion if > I let to pass any below 80 HZ (I have done a lot of tests about it > and... nothing!!!). Modulators balanced? Bias set? Correct Mod Xfrmr? 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Mar 03 16:55:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72751 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 00:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2009 00:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 00:55:23 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cc9.4a2b894d (29672) for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:54:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:54:03 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=564FIxryBi93Xy4UXsmkj4za663TrIwK3bIZ7o6kpKPbD7n34ZMA4gy2YJW0H-0m X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, If the modulator tube plate currents aren't balanced, there is unbalanced DC in the modulation transformer which decreases its primary inductance and biases the core towards saturation, particularly at lower frequencies. I don't know what kind of monitoring the McMartin has, but most high level plate modulated transmitters have that capability to monitor the final and modulator tube currents. It could be one of the modulator tubes is weak. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 04 00:12:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50463 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 08:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2009 08:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 08:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.caf.429487a6 (29673) for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 03:11:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 03:12:24 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=dWzZs4WKR9J2yrIw3esYEEGOJ2KNdXuLIeG1e6K7kUdM9iBP0-kXm2mCVjzzo2We X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, What would help diagnose the low frequency problem would be if you could scope the output of the modulation monitor so we could see how the waveform was being distorted. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 04 00:16:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1126 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 08:16:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2009 08:16:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 08:16:08 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cae.424419da (29673) for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 03:16:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 03:16:01 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=InJvR97Dx1WV2BE9kWTQoEc1UEU--nxjUQz9jMOXfFehIgmz9rweW66SycvUBdzd X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, The McMartin is rated at 2,500 watts. How are you reducing power to 1,000 watts? Is there a factory provision for doing so? Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 04 01:08:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89381 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 09:08:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2009 09:08:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 09:08:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2009 09:08:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2009 09:08:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:08:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.108 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=BqqY4v0GdEWKXUObbA8rCaX3HPqEoAySJPwHtAkvE5Gira_7Dw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Th only one number I have serious doubt is the RF current, because it was t= ested by the person who installed the TX (not me) in 1980. The original RF amperimeter doesn't work today and I don't remember if it w= orked someday. I made a "HAM radio" type meter (the typical coil around the= coaxial cable) and I got that number, but I'm not sure if this is a real v= alue. At least, the SWR LED indicator never lights!!! hahahahaha!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > The numbers seem right. Assuming it is a high level plate modulated fina= l.=20=20 > This type of output runs about 70% efficiency. >=20 > I take it the RF current is the input to the tower base? Working backwar= ds,=20 > the tower impedance seems to be about 69 ohms. Are you using an ATU and= =20 > transmission line? >=20 > As someone mentioned, your good coverage is most likely due to a good=20 > grounding system. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3Demployment_agencies&ncid= =3Demlcntusyelp00000005) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 04 01:12:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77193 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 09:12:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2009 09:12:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 09:12:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2009 09:12:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2009 09:12:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:12:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.108 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=fWN3fc0D6z9Ts8FCvGa0_Xeityw8ZKoBMNh8mVMD0RK2vpcBqA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 It is a fundamental distortion (I tested with an oscilloscope). The rest of= the signal passes through without major problems. The mod plates are good balanced (I test it every week). I think it is a "by design" issue. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Is the low frequency distortion harmonic distortion of the fundamental or= IM=20 > distortion of higher frequencies? Does the overall signal seem to "mush"= when=20 > there is low bass? >=20 > How balanced are the plate currents in the modulator tubes? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3Demployment_agencies&ncid= =3Demlcntusyelp00000005) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 04 01:17:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9242 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 09:17:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2009 09:17:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 09:17:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2009 09:17:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2009 09:17:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:17:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.108 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Excuse my ignorance, again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mZ143fhlnktSkYWx_9RvWmo7CTyqmJ2gKku4SqLqtcTuDBAnpg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Yes, I did!!! It costs 5 times the standard tower. Absolutely out of my "pocket" reach. E= ven more, where I asked for don't advice me that because the height. Actual= ly, the stand-alone type tower isn't a common thing here (only the cellular= companies use it). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I will check around. For the insulators, not the money. There are most= =20 > likely some enterprising legit companies dismantling old AM towers for th= eir scrap=20 > metal value. The insulators have no value due to their raw materials. >=20 > Have you priced a free standing tower? You could shunt feed it and not n= eed=20 > any insulators. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3Demployment_agencies&ncid= =3Demlcntusyelp00000005) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 04 01:31:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4034 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 09:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2009 09:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 09:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2009 09:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2009 09:31:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:31:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.108 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=F80gLcMQ1-jE2kmFM9cBqsc_z_654YiuJK6QeT3tda1c7JEZwA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Of course!!! From factory, the BA-2.5K has two power output levels, with a front pannel = button selection: LOW or HIGH. You can change the LOW and HIGH power at will. I mean, you can transmit any= combination between 500 Wts. and 2500 Wts. I mean, both outputs can be set= , internally, to any of the desirable values. I use the 1000 Wts LOW and 2500 Wts HIGH combination. I can use the HIGH level, because the device and the installations let me d= o it, but I don't have a license to do that (and the electric power bill ra= ises so high to me). The McMartin BA-2.5K is a very good TX. The only one thing I don't like from it: IT DOESN'T HAVE A SELF-CONTAINED S= WR METER. That's all folks!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > The McMartin is rated at 2,500 watts. How are you reducing power to 1,00= 0=20 > watts? Is there a factory provision for doing so? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3Demployment_agencies&ncid= =3Demlcntusyelp00000005) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 04 13:13:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51878 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 21:13:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2009 21:13:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 21:13:36 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c8d.3df99844 (39332) for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:10:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:10:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=h76gsKFdS9NMhbbqtgACn3MwcVJ2e2dTyQGCQhnLLIu6E_Qebjsy2PwLctyiWwH7 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I believe in the U.S., AM transmitter must meet proof of performance down to 50 hz. I assume the McMartin must have at one time. Can you describe the LF waveform? Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 04 13:18:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71366 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 21:18:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2009 21:18:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 21:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c6a.4c041a8c (39332) for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:13:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:13:46 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Excuse my ignorance, again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lN8QWn_N28j-iXsoqpromeZKaOBIyo_7t_REwEXC_cAHA3-WwLaeIAZXCxUgMM-R X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like I said, self-supporting AM towers are a thing of the past. They also have structural limit as to height. Have you tried searching around for used guy wire insulators (in the U.S.) in good shape? Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 04 13:25:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14278 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2009 21:25:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2009 21:25:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2009 21:24:59 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c38.4cb7bc3a (39332) for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:24:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:24:08 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=VoOrck6TKrAZWtXU2fhStloE7EIdG61r7EUSgIsRlWcnX8vyY4XJ7sjX96lFCK4x X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the information. I was thinking someone might have just reloaded the plates for a lower power which would have raised the modulating impedance. As a low cost means of protecting the finals against high VSWR would be to CAREFULLY come up with a way of monitoring the final plate DC current within a fairly narrow band, say +/- 10%. A load disturbance or other final fault will throw the current off and provide a means to shutdown the B+. Here is in the U.S., an operational common point or antenna base current RF meter is mandatory. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 04 20:12:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25730 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 04:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2009 04:12:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 04:12:27 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c97.3ae6baa8 (41809) for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 23:12:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 23:12:17 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris Transmitter C-Quam Unit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tawAeMEUa4lA30Y27O0YutzsZzbbjRTOKnEBHdc4sINIBaXZgT-HxyD_KmV8rK8L X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For $100, one almost couldn't go wrong except the "No Boards" thing would worry me. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 05 07:40:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52024 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 15:40:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2009 15:40:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 15:40:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58678 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2009 15:40:50 -0000 Message-ID: <234597.58541.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 4lU8.WcVM1m_qof_VwHp6W3Dbi82YDD9l0ZUpMw1DnANeHsrzqbiqePvk6R1AQXrIZuhYCl7OUc2lSI9lJ0cmvP_E4fF1c3hqMmcZb9gnkBm49X_FZ7UoXq.L_RlOai3XKH9DVZDwh_IKt6lJOQeINDm2q3VxKZSmVxUSRhfFCEGZQ-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:40:50 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:40:50 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Excuse my ignorance, again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=wYhtN1wveSyquVmyzVog_iigs3lU6OaTvB5N9UfeNwp5E61cSjKjGhk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mike wrote: "...Like I said, self-supporting AM towers are a thing of the past. They also have structural limit as to height..." Yeah, but self-supporting towers sure are sweet - WSPD has 3 self-supporting towers - no guy wires, small footprint, and they've been there forever - even Kahn and then C-Quam at one time! (now "HD") John From w6yn@juno.com Thu Mar 05 07:45:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91530 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 15:45:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2009 15:45:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 15:45:05 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE4965LANFT4JA for (sender ); Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:44:42 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD85oBu1ZTcmyheAMooJn14o= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PAWBY2J7; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:44:41 PST X-Received: from [76.194.240.246] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:44:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:44:04 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090305.074404.28036.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2249432254 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=VA9nReykZP98UhUbbyofYWw2RQQYwMFOLx5nL1pZgA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn NBC White House correspondent Chuck Todd told Joe Scarborough on MSNBC =96 = radio is a =93backward looking technology=85very 90s=85=94 He says radio = =93is a dying medium, potentially.=94 Of course at that very moment, Joe an= d co-host Mika Brzezinski were about to sprint over to their radio studio t= o do a two-hour syndicated show. And later, the White House Press Secretary= =92s own dismissal of the comments was also disingenuous. He says he doesn= =92t even own a radio. But the medium of radio is what America=92s been thi= nking about since Paul Harvey=92s death last Saturday. And where else would= Limbaugh gather those 15 to 20 million listeners?=20 Radio is a dying medium? From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Mar 05 08:37:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65071 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 16:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2009 16:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s5.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.208) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 16:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W26 ([65.55.90.200]) by snt0-omc4-s5.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:37:49 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:37:49 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20090305.074404.28036.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> References: <20090305.074404.28036.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2009 16:37:49.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8726740:01C99DB0] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=f_pWfYL9PpNyi9TJuoUlLIE83qPvokcHVxVCVwJaHWdWCMvDLcm- X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And Rush Limbaugh is the tombstone. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Mar 05 08:48:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38702 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 16:48:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2009 16:48:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 16:48:32 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE5AATJA6FEG3J for (sender ); Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:47:36 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5Z+2RQvAovW1bVFi44T4jM= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PAWFJV6S; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:46:52 PST X-Received: from [76.194.240.246] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:46:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:46:24 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090305.084624.5708.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2779225114 X-MAIL-INFO:30006599addd9db979adddf8ddbc95d955a84861 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=2ddwixloOrhBqR9LjFXOAeKdY_BuaV4n8gMlyf9Eiw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Overtly political comments like this are not welcome on this list! -- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: And Rush Limbaugh is the tombstone. =20 MTGC (Michael) =20 From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Mar 05 08:54:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34701 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 16:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2009 16:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s16.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.219) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 16:54:28 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W15 ([65.55.90.200]) by snt0-omc4-s16.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:54:28 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:54:28 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20090305.084624.5708.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> References: <20090305.084624.5708.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2009 16:54:28.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C654500:01C99DB3] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=2i3OaxysWOcPOfbDgsokas-VsytCpcZalqlJqB4mwao78DfKnGgq X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hee Hee. But of course. MTGC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: w6yn@juno.com Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:46:24 +0000 Subject: RE: {AMSF} Radio is a dying medium? Overtly political comments like this are not welcome on this list! -- MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: And Rush Limbaugh is the tombstone. MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From robert.w.welch@att.net Thu Mar 05 08:57:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77969 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:57:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.240.134.22 From: "Bob Welch" Subject: Re: Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=YmVFt6_qh1wlTF-ntrU1W1ZUv1Si0g9lhbuo6w4xHMCQ2sRyXPNL X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Two short succinct thoughts here about this wonderful medium. 1) Radio... as we know it... is dead. 2) If you believe a statement as truth... you'll make it so. The only reason why radio would be dead would be if we continued on a crazy= path of keeping stations on the air after the time in the day when all of = the meaningful programs had concluded. I'm not afraid of signing off at mi= dnight. And I'm not afraid of building a regional programming service to f= ill in the gaps where local programming which is of value isn't viable. Re= gional programming will begin in the 6 states of New England in the future = and in some cases it already has. Bob in Vermont, USA --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO <= mtgc@...> wrote: > >=20 > And Rush Limbaugh is the tombstone. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Mar 05 11:47:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32183 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 19:47:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2009 19:47:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 19:47:12 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bdc.40342a79 (29679) for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:46:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:46:10 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Excuse my ignorance, again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=x1IvxWteBfqPHsjgsbULaZD-uM813CDiyuNhU72ORTCRfvNw1cFU8J_dd8HeJ8vc X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe I also said that self-supporting towers, if properly maintained, last virtually forever. There are still a good number of such towers around, but most were built before WWII with Depression Era labor and steel costs. Aside from the cost and structural limits, I don't have a problem with self-supporting towers. If a station has one, there really isn't any reason to replace it unless it gets damaged beyond reasonable repair. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Mar 05 11:55:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72073 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 19:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2009 19:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 19:55:39 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c5b.3ef947e3 (29679) for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:54:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:54:33 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=gXk1AjZziQtnJCD4YvVpAxncEzIOiSWzTipjsplX0EGTF2h3xgE240cuFutQT7mO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw that. It was funny. Like when Michael Steele was going on the Today Show and cancelled his appearance on Morning Joe in the same building. Joe ripped him a new one. I don't think radio is a dying medium, but I do think Talk Radio is living out its last day as the dominant format. Left, right, in the middle, doesn't matter. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Mar 05 12:02:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59655 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 20:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2009 20:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 20:02:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d5b.3fb59506 (29679) for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:00:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:00:09 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=joMcn_bxZG1vQQ4X54sYIumO2kg39cEDpPrrvYUH2oR1Uh1Uof3tdyzwdi9Og09p X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/5/2009 10:38:44 AM Central Standard Time, mtgc@hotmail.com writes: > And Rush Limbaugh is the tombstone. > If Boss Limbaugh leaves the airways, there is going to be a lot of dead air. Someone needs to come up with a new vital format before then. Incidentally, I know they say black is thinning when it comes to fashion, but Boss needs to understand that has its limits. On the great Johnny Cash, that outfit would look good. On El Rushbo, it looked ridiculous. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Mar 05 12:03:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71519 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2009 20:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2009 20:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2009 20:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cb5.50252e49 (29679) for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:03:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 15:03:42 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=4IVl_gCM769UIlZOo5bnTgQYj95Uos0Isfh7a508LzHqtRaYGnGoOQ-3RA_9fU_b X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My comment wasn't meant to be political, but a comment on the medium. As I said, whether it is Right, Left, or Center, Talk Radio is on its way out as a format. Nova M has went below the waters. Air America is on life support. I am hoping for new format that could make use of AM Stereo. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Mar 05 16:14:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9848 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 00:14:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2009 00:14:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 00:14:38 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE5A4Y7AVQCJAA for (sender ); Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:14:21 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDwvXmBxLFSl4jvGyp7GPcrg= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PAW858AJ; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:14:20 PST X-Received: from [76.194.240.246] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 00:14:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 00:14:08 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090305.161408.3619.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:3439780078 X-MAIL-INFO:4295ed50652dc9cda9b9c9fd652d8419e4 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: White House Press Secretary Gets His First Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=vdZhT337x0S9NKToRxCklz4hwgR8tPGhq73hg0gXnw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Press Secretary Gibbs Gets A Radio -- Or Several WASHINGTON -- March 5, 2009: White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs now h= as a radio, courtesy of ABC News Radio White House correspondent Ann Compto= n. And the HD Digital Radio Alliance said it's sending a radio as well. In a press conference yesterday, Gibbs -- asked about the flap surrounding = Premiere host Rush Limbaugh -- said, "It may be counterproductive, I'll giv= e you that. Look, are there days in which I just turn my television off? Ye= s. I wish I had a radio. Maybe I should just hook my iPod up." ABC News Radio VP/GM Steve Jones sent a note, which Compton delivered along= with the radio, saying, "We heard you say yesterday that you don't have a = radio, so we are very pleased to send you one. You can join the 235 million= people weekly that listen to the radio, according to the National Associat= ion of Broadcasters. And 74 million of these listeners each week hear progr= amming created by my team at ABC News Radio, featuring the wonderful Ann Co= mpton!" Jones also said he'd welcome a chance to meet with Gibbs and talk more abou= t how Americans use radio. Along with the radio -- emblazoned with the ABC News Radio logo -- Compton = brought ABC News Radio baseball caps for Gibbs and his son, Ethan. After sm= ilingly accepting the radio, Gibbs reportedly asked whether he should tell = reporters he has no car and no college fund for Ethan. Clear Channel Joins In And Clear Channel Radio has also chimed in to help Gibbs remedy his radio d= eficiency. CCR said, "After all, radio played a crucial role in getting Mr.= Gibbs his current job. The Obama campaign outspent all others on radio and= ran more ads than any other campaign. And while we realize that government= salaries don't always match those in the private sector, Clear Channel Rad= io believes that=92s no reason to be without the most ubiquitous form of me= dia in the country." WIHT (Hot 99.5)/DC personality Kane was set to lead a motorcade to the Whit= e House this afternoon with a whole stack of radios on board: portable, des= ktop, clock radio, an in-dash car unit, an HD Radio with iTunes tagging, an= d FM adapter for Gibb's iPod. And, said CCR, "We'll even help him download = Clear Channel's iheartradio mobile app to his smartphone!" HD Alliance Sends A Radio Too The HD Digital Radio Alliance said Thursday that it's sending a Sony XDR-S1= 0HDiP HD receiver, with an iPod dock and iTunes Tagging, to Gibbs. "Radio's digital future was made possible by a collaboration of policy make= rs, broadcasters, the FCC, and the consumer electronics industry," said HD = Alliance President Diane Warren. "We're delighted to welcome the White Hous= e to this important digital upgrade. Now, they can listen to the President'= s weekly radio address in crystal-clear HD digital sound and find exciting = new HD2 stations only available on HD Radio." =20 -- "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote: NBC White House correspondent Chuck Todd told Joe Scarborough on MSNBC =96 = radio is a =93backward looking technology=85very 90s=85=94 He says radio = =93is a dying medium, potentially.=94 Of course at that very moment, Joe an= d co-host Mika Brzezinski were about to sprint over to their radio studio t= o do a two-hour syndicated show. And later, the White House Press Secretary= =92s own dismissal of the comments was also disingenuous. He says he doesn= =92t even own a radio. But the medium of radio is what America=92s been thi= nking about since Paul Harvey=92s death last Saturday. And where else would= Limbaugh gather those 15 to 20 million listeners?=20 Radio is a dying medium? From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 05 16:35:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99312 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 00:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2009 00:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 00:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2009 00:35:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2009 00:35:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:35:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.142 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=0MP4jYUkItYuCyY61KMOMQCwmn1gmA5o567jska_0H0QaTw9WA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 When I put a pure sinusoidal 80 HZ (or less) tone, I get a final RF mod lik= e an "egg" shape (not the fine pure tone), at 70%. If I put it at 100% mod, some other little higher frecuencies components ap= pear. The others frecuencies (above 80 HZ) don't have any problem, even at 100% m= od. So, I cut all below 90 HZ with the graphic equalizer and I get a very clean= audio signal. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > I believe in the U.S., AM transmitter must meet proof of performance down= to=20 > 50 hz. I assume the McMartin must have at one time. Can you describe th= e LF=20 > waveform? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3Demployment_agencies&ncid= =3Demlcntusyelp00000005) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 05 16:47:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54006 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 00:47:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2009 00:47:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 00:47:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2009 00:47:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2009 00:47:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:47:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090305.074404.28036.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.142 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ePDVEzk8sHI9kv-B1YTHD-Ab2HYhg6NLilvHiLheDA0CEfpEFA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 NOT AT ALL!!!!!!! Maybe radio doesn't have the "Punch" about the color image in live news gat= hering that TV has, but people trust more the radio than TV. Radio wins, far away, in cars and buses. TV is very complicated, here, because the poor rating in some day hours (th= ey called it: "the dead zone"): 9 to 12 (morning) and 3 to 7 (afternoon). Even at prime time, 10 to 12 (night), there is a radio exclusive listener (= because their jobs). The few people that is awake at night (0 to 8 hr), due to jobs, only hear r= adio (they can't see TV because, if they do it, they don't work, simple!!!) At least, this is that way here, in Chile, South America. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote= : > > NBC White House correspondent Chuck Todd told Joe Scarborough on MSNBC = =96 radio is a "backward looking technology=85very 90s=85" He says radio "= is a dying medium, potentially." Of course at that very moment, Joe and co-= host Mika Brzezinski were about to sprint over to their radio studio to do = a two-hour syndicated show. And later, the White House Press Secretary's ow= n dismissal of the comments was also disingenuous. He says he doesn't even = own a radio. But the medium of radio is what America's been thinking about = since Paul Harvey's death last Saturday. And where else would Limbaugh gath= er those 15 to 20 million listeners?=20 >=20 > Radio is a dying medium? > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 05 16:58:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26874 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 00:58:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2009 00:58:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 00:58:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2009 00:58:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2009 00:58:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:58:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.142 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Excuse my ignorance, again X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=tQDVrr3p2hVE3zdRximEGdBa8SnNx6ayqcoh5YxiNjIxyPXG4g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I have a very great doubt, and it is because my great ignorance, hehehehe!!= ! If you compare the American AM radio spacing system (at 10 KHZ) with the Eu= ropean system (at 9 KHZ), you will see there are a lot of common frecuencie= s to both systems, for example: my channel 1260 KHZ. Maybe it was the reason because, in the past, there was some international = agreement to reserve some channels to an specific country. If you remember, there were a lot of radio tuners with some dial marks rel= ated to some countries (specially in SW bands). I wonder if someone knows if it is valid today, or it is just something of = the past. Thanks for your help!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Mar 05 18:55:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8503 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 02:55:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2009 02:55:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 02:55:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44469 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2009 02:55:22 -0000 Message-ID: <832703.42415.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Oki5BKwVM1lHSNmzZpBlq6e1VIQvHO8YEmYqyvb8djFrWZMxc3f2a_5_33t_QKR7Y2f.AgIJEjujn3ZIegx9OtNUEBxkhUFUOtK4ncr22zB3bLes_e94WyR0w6rWTqR3_NVUL3tIu9xuFi66RYMQOzWsW839cYdSO.gfFITNHWDBJnlKpqsde9O6aBf5VrKgYYzQIk.dSD8jq6Cmss95C8xB9yexa.rVheoCDmx58Z.PnDk- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:55:20 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:55:20 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Zk_HMsNTce-K1FWIFsAEzZOpKvOJHC8Jtv44dbndcuOAcQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Ah, so Rush is good for SOMETHING! Good point though, all these nay-sayers= must be oblivious, or living under a rock. As a medium, radio seems very = much alive. BUT, as an ART, well, I believe that is very much open to debat= e. G. --- On Thu, 3/5/09, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO = wrote: > From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Radio is a dying medium? > To: "AM Stereo" > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:37 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > And Rush Limbaugh is the tombstone. >=20 >=20 >=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Mar 05 18:58:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68464 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 02:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2009 02:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 02:58:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37923 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2009 02:58:34 -0000 Message-ID: <107118.16895.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: kIzFj.4VM1m3LEa2AaXjj5Lqn7A6GMNuEUi0xOwPEP0aFWu4rmEstRpK5aLulO8yXFRLKxNlytKSDCJi87mapO9k8QspvdplELy6Y_WFkKyl4zxDrdlAuG8yyXzrZ3a2fUGxUeazm7DPx6RXdWsH9klEsJrjId0fY8vmy._wnw_fpRtiZHyj_CfTUEpjwzGIR6IWZsZd6.YROQOYOGtiaCLHgZ4XmTQ5oCya X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:58:34 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:58:34 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=uDqHhaoRnt3xe4Z1e7B7eu-aXTP6SbL_gkp8fN79YAHtnw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 How about music? Nah, they would never go for it...G --- On Thu, 3/5/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio is a dying medium? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 3:03 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > My comment wasn't meant to be political, > but a comment on the medium. As I=20 >=20 > said, whether it is Right, Left, or Center, Talk Radio is > on its way out as a=20 >=20 > format. Nova M has went below the waters. Air America is > on life support. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I am hoping for new format that could make use of AM > Stereo. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************ ** >=20 > Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 >=20 > (http://yellowpages. > aol.com/search? query=3Demployment _agencies& amp;ncid=3D > emlcntusyelp0000 0005) >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 05 19:01:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81323 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 03:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2009 03:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 03:01:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2009 03:01:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2009 03:01:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:01:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.124.78 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=4D-brjKHy-d0KGnXPQWdgZSUVc8J1DKNmVBuRk_Uvq2L1R1N0gQ30fFnkNikHTCZ_Lxp0E8P X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > My comment wasn't meant to be political, but a comment on the medium. As= I=20 > said, whether it is Right, Left, or Center, Talk Radio is on its way out = as a=20 > format. Nova M has went below the waters. Air America is on life suppor= t. >=20 > I am hoping for new format that could make use of AM Stereo. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3Demployment_agencies&ncid= =3Demlcntusyelp00000005) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi Gang Thats what i was saing a wile back. Talk radio for the most part is= boring. Theres only one talk show i listen to in the mornings here nere Sa= cramento Ca KSTE AM 650's Armstrong & Getty. Thay do streem. What the diff= erance about them is that thay pick a differant subject every haft hour. I = hope more music comes back to AM. Jim Smith In A dying AM BAND area. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Mar 05 19:38:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96584 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 03:38:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2009 03:38:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 03:38:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20706 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2009 03:38:38 -0000 Message-ID: <714338.19677.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UDk4NEMVM1nuu7tph.hK3Hdic497fsTkW34OzCC7qVVdSFTak1wAAqtqW0bM6G_Cd847cPynSm3E42xcqVaUCFn.ZdYdxpFi4D_dHV27G4P.zO8R_KfG8OLaHx9vfQAAl3wo1jEi0c7p.lefEfd6LG9bMcKT8DDuAoaxzZ2FK89Y03DxqUN1_YEpuH5y8p1qcjsPiAhwcqXv4JEjtSdmjzhge9sAuwnxTVO7 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:38:38 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:38:38 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ufgXzTXXamPRDsGeT0nw2bUGQsP8OBhcVKg43u5h6ByCMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 If they could get something along the lines of "Coast2CoastAM" in the dayti= me, it might get some good numbers. Great show, but rough when you have to= get up for work in the morning! (They should be sponsored by that gizmo t= hat records 4-hour talk-shows on a cassette :>) G=20 --- On Thu, 3/5/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Radio is a dying medium? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 10:01 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ > yahoogroups. com, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > My comment wasn't meant to be political, but a > comment on the medium. As I=20 >=20 > > said, whether it is Right, Left, or Center, Talk Radio > is on its way out as a=20 >=20 > > format. Nova M has went below the waters. Air > America is on life support. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > I am hoping for new format that could make use of AM > Stereo. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Mike >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > ************ ** >=20 > > Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 >=20 > > (http://yellowpages. > aol.com/search? query=3Demployment _agencies& amp;ncid=3D > emlcntusyelp0000 0005) >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > Hi Gang Thats what i was saing a wile back. Talk radio for > the most part is boring. Theres only one talk show i listen > to in the mornings here nere Sacramento Ca KSTE AM 650's > Armstrong & Getty. Thay do streem. What the differance > about them is that thay pick a differant subject every haft > hour. I hope more music comes back to AM. Jim Smith In A > dying AM BAND area. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 06 03:37:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69407 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 11:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2009 11:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.185) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 11:37:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27845 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 11:37:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO q1t5h3) (jimsmith95650@75.20.189.61 with login) by smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 11:37:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7To7It0VM1lcOni1HO2kajbsLYgfO5Mn41sIitRskp1jHxYPhDEEwx0cg_M9mI6Sg6NCTDYHFeSayfLPsWxY_mY3sI3SRy_LT6abVdtgIe0I.AlA1fb_nZVDuA6Q36Yjaz4NigFAubkwzJ6bK5edpYbO X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <00e301c99e4f$fcf3a240$5ce8fea9@q1t5h3> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 03:37:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: What mod monitor? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=GsTBh-MVLOordYxDV9vAdCjWQmEEvAfuE06zQhOYfC2iF45kLvE-qut2L7N-VmxscialaMu4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang What mod monitor will work with the 80's Delta ASE1 C-QuAM exciter? 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=fR4Diw3a95VWBeLkE4MmgNmtY0vEtpdCvUyXTHUQhbqSPMrdow X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Mar 2009 16:45:52 -0000 On Mar 5, 2009, at 10:37 AM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > > And Rush Limbaugh is the tombstone. Amen to that but why does Don keep bringing up topics that have nothing to do with AM Stereo? I have a real question, does anyone have a list of stations still broadcasting in AM stereo? I want to aircheck them. Kevin From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Mar 06 08:46:20 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86462 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 16:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2009 16:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.148) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 16:46:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1236357959; bh=MJauZFfo31XljfrVeMBWoJ7UNR3VNJjx9EpsoX1U1wY=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=SJfCpEcJozUBbH4eFLqU/cX95REE7NuW2s+s2ItzL9CMhKUCaMJZMupm+2gpY9a0qa+21HsyC7PYpslDbjWIxNrqH6k6YVRH3EVEpjrQrmkZKJYjpQPWbFHP7qdWx5ED Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2009 16:45:59 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2009 16:45:59 -0000 X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77879 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 01:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2009 01:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 01:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2009 01:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2009 01:53:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:53:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.10.247.111 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=94nJa1bQtXctwkg3nW_AbkYUjnHjMeqJIjJZf_hOmY6wb3U X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 06 Mar 2009 16:45:58 -0000 Radio IS a dying medium, but it's far from dead, but the buzzards are start= ing to gather...... Take it from somebody who has made a living from Radio for the past 26 year= s...... The creativity and fun is now on the Internet, and If you don't think so, l= isten to any one of thousands of broadcasters on LIVE365.com If you want demagogery, alian anal probe stories and political blowhards, t= hen you can still find it on over the air radio, especially AM. And if you search real hard, you can find some stations still doing "real" = local news, local sports and even making a profit....but you have to look i= n small towns where stations are still in the hands of mom and pop operator= s who don't have a huge borrowed debt load on their business, and can still= "deliver" like radio used to be in the old days. The other Juan Fort Pierce, FL From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 06 12:51:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14281 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 20:51:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2009 20:51:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.210) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 20:51:41 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.caa.3fd78b78 (30737) for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:51:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:51:38 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fwOu3m2HyqTv32ut6I0Taeb_qBHIKKWQwluX_jzZQVUnZ8qajF4NDlM_Tn2q_GgU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does the McMartin use a modulation transformer or a modulation transformer - reactor combination? If so, do you anyway (power down) of checking the coupling capacitor for value and leakage? Are all the parts original or exact replacements? Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 06 13:00:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60564 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 21:00:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2009 21:00:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.210) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 21:00:50 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c46.4fb49acf (30737) for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:00:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:00:44 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=QCu48AJcZMjKlQYipt0uBreCPZDX_g4P7rlt7_YUw-esxJWk5laUnXpfQBa3or8J X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, In the mid-80 there were two talkers on WLS by the name of Steve and Gary. Their show was talk, but it wasn't Talk Radio. I often wonder with Ronald Reagan in the White House and over the FCC how their show stayed on the air, especially on a big station. It's wasn't political, but certainly pushed the envelope in terms of content. You are right. The problem with Talk Radio is that for most part it is not entertaining. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 06 15:57:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55272 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2009 23:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2009 23:57:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2009 23:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2009 23:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2009 23:57:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:57:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.148 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=XlYxSAg934vh_v-SaxhqMbhMqOr2d2h1Z_os8HQOnuvWvSl57A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I'm not sure about your question because I don't understand ALL about the M= cMartin circuit dessign. I can see a very clear modulation transformer (who "sings" so well, heheheh= e), but I'm not sure about the following step. I guess it is directly conne= cted with the mod tubes, I'm not sure. Whatever, all the internal McMartin components are the original from the fa= ctory. The only two changes are: 4 DC diodes (I have to replace them with t= he most near model I found here), on the low voltage power supply, and an a= mplifier IC on the exciter board (I replaced it with another original one f= rom the spare box from McMartin). God has been so good with us, because this TX was installed in 1980 and it = still works so fine!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Does the McMartin use a modulation transformer or a modulation transforme= r -=20 > reactor combination? If so, do you anyway (power down) of checking the=20 > coupling capacitor for value and leakage? >=20 > Are all the parts original or exact replacements? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3Demployment_agencies&ncid= =3Demlcntusyelp00000005) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Mar 07 14:47:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33215 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2009 22:47:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2009 22:47:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 22:47:49 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.18] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090307164735000196000015.0) with SMTP id <20090307164735000196000015> for ; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:47:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00c201c99f77$9b791c60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20090305.074404.28036.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <5374689E-9A03-4E2B-BF16-20D0A1E9A562@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:47:35 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=152W8DvoAYVR7vAZBPuLbEZ4-sVN7o7X8sDC5-OhtNMjGuCqFNrn X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd be in favor of an up to date list. Who wants to compile it and make it available? We already know of some that still are. Has anyone been taking notes so we can at least start there? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:46 AM does anyone have a list of stations still broadcasting in AM stereo? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Mar 07 15:12:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17888 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2009 23:12:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2009 23:12:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 23:12:31 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.18] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090307171154000560600010.0) with SMTP id <20090307171154000560600010> for ; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:11:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00f401c99f7b$002e5500$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:11:54 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bKoXmcSPd7i6C7yc65gHbJPmQCsMG9zpNKlMKJC1_nuKgTy9PPTS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, Your memory about the 50Hz proof requirement is correct. IIRC it has to be at something like 95% modulation. Your suggestion the mod tranny might be tapped wrong crossed my mind too. Unless this thing has contactors which change taps on that tranny and not just the voltage taps on the one in the power supply it could very well be set wrong. Modifying the transmitter wouldn't be terribly difficult, though it would take lots of time and planning. As for a base current meter, they're not that expensive. Maybe we could all chip in and buy him one? I'm talking a good, possibly used thermocouple type, not necessarily one of the more expensive Deltas. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: 4-1000 tubes Thanks for the information. I was thinking someone might have just reloaded the plates for a lower power which would have raised the modulating impedance. As a low cost means of protecting the finals against high VSWR would be to CAREFULLY come up with a way of monitoring the final plate DC current within a fairly narrow band, say +/- 10%. A load disturbance or other final fault will throw the current off and provide a means to shutdown the B+. Here is in the U.S., an operational common point or antenna base current RF meter is mandatory. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Mar 07 15:16:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67858 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2009 23:16:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 7 Mar 2009 23:16:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 23:16:27 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.18] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090307171557002580300017.0) with SMTP id <20090307171557002580300017> for ; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:15:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010101c99f7b$9228a1e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:15:57 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Harris Transmitter C-Quam Unit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=6RZ8G1qn5VeopDDbYSMmVmr-VEjjnjO87Xg0fjcgMfb-zV9T-MXc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No boards? I noticed it said no manual and no CORDS, but didn't find where it said no boards. I've seen some earlier Delta AMS generators that would be missing a card or two, but that would be if the station had the same pattern day and night or was daytime only and didn't need the second night card for compensating for different impedance curves of a second antenna. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com For $100, one almost couldn't go wrong except the "No Boards" thing would worry me. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Mar 07 15:21:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14460 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2009 23:21:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2009 23:21:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 23:21:24 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.18] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090307172054001547600010.0) with SMTP id <20090307172054001547600010> for ; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:20:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <011801c99f7c$422127c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <00e301c99e4f$fcf3a240$5ce8fea9@q1t5h3> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:20:54 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} What mod monitor? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=NzgterdyksVDwtgYIpXz1qRe-LBC-gpl8MSZpcXYLyaId80U3vdj X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As long as it's calibrated, any make and model will do. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:38 AM Subject: {AMSF} What mod monitor? Hi Gang What mod monitor will work with the 80's Delta ASE1 C-QuAM exciter? Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Mar 07 15:30:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50706 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2009 23:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2009 23:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2009 23:30:34 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.18] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090307173008002491800010.0) with SMTP id <20090307173008002491800010> for ; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:30:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012501c99f7d$8c96ef00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20090306.083035.3360.6.w6yn@juno.com> Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:30:08 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Citadel stock drops from a dime to a penny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=i3lKrQPpihoPXMeK_smhjYOvmG4D-q0u165l3xui-a9zlubmdjrI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unless I were rich enough to gain controlling interest and get rid of Fareed Suleman (sp?) who is essentially the cause of the meltdown it still wouldn't be worth it. It would be great to be rich enough to buy some of their stations, though. I still think that's the only way we'll really save AM stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:32 AM Subject: {AMSF} Citadel stock drops from a dime to a penny Thinking about investing in broadcasting? Here is a stock with a price we can all afford. $0.01/share! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 07 19:55:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85724 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 03:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2009 03:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 03:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 03:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 03:55:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 03:55:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011801c99f7c$422127c0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.218.136 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} What mod monitor? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=J_ovAxAH-8G4jUA2TTbIyMiAYgOu7WspsXh6_xVEcV4nqiYDelxXy6JCWZiT7Y2F-toHGyRq X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > As long as it's calibrated, any make and model will do. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jimsmith95650@...=20 > To: am stereo forum=20 > Cc: jim smith=20 > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:38 AM > Subject: {AMSF} What mod monitor? >=20 >=20 > Hi Gang What mod monitor will work with the 80's Delta ASE1 C-QuAM exci= ter? Thanks Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Scott Thank you. I thought you had to match them buy make and model. Coo= l !!!! Jim Smith NOR CAL From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sun Mar 08 05:24:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70403 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 12:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2009 12:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 12:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 12:24:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 12:24:41 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 12:24:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c201c99f77$9b791c60$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.157.6.3 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Updated AM Stereo Station Listing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=O1ras6WBMqcWnnYCM5YVCG8z_8P4COPLteGKZpmjXGf1BqAsW4eT X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 http://meduci.com/stations.html You write: >I'd be in favor of an up to date list. Who wants to compile it=20 >and make it available? We already know of some that still are.=20 >Has anyone been taking notes so we can at least start there? >=20 > Scott Todd From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sun Mar 08 06:16:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91261 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 13:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2009 13:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 13:16:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 13:16:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 13:16:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:16:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.111.201 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Updated AM Stereo Station Listing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=hXfsWBpG3q5tkQZTH_11F8RIJVpZBkYI7Bjt5395fNI X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Jeff=20 Your list for Europe doesn't include the Italian StudioX AM Stereo (CQUAM) = station.=20 http://www.radiostudiox.it/=20 This has a 24/365 on-air status with more than 10KW from northern Italy.=20 There are some other smaller stations all accross Europe, but these aren't = on air all the time... :(=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jeffdeck2001" wro= te: > > http://meduci.com/stations.html >=20 > You write: > >I'd be in favor of an up to date list. Who wants to compile it=20 > >and make it available? We already know of some that still are.=20 > >Has anyone been taking notes so we can at least start there? > >=20 > > Scott Todd > From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Sun Mar 08 10:20:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27114 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 17:20:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2009 17:20:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 17:20:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 17:20:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 17:20:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:20:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.157.6.3 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: Updated AM Stereo Station Listing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=QVfyaJmDFmbuDu4Yv9fjSEVMA-oD2XdrXhW0Mq-OwUzguu3MEM-5 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 Thank you, Sotiris. Are ther any other C-QuAM stations? You write: >Jeff=20 >Your list for Europe doesn't include the Italian StudioX AM Stereo >(CQUAM) station.=20 > http://www.radiostudiox.it/=20 >=20 >This has a 24/365 on-air status with more than 10KW from northern >Italy.=20 >=20 >There are some other smaller stations all accross Europe, but >these aren't on air all the time... :(=20 >=20 >=20 >Best regards=20 >Sotiris From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Mar 08 10:58:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15164 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 17:58:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2009 17:58:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 17:58:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50542 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2009 17:58:10 -0000 Message-ID: <515208.49658.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: eNeN6V0VM1lI2uMwHkLah6ZVRR9d3_1nj2wsunHlY5wOvQdgqfCV6Ao7UZ28aY7FdMoz19qomd6Y77Z652iLmeQtNiz7vnBrzSOfiu9mLfNShJVKw84J.ZAGYUEd1Fn3QPZhPL1Gi0z5y86WWARjq2JxDyJLPvx4AbQQ44kLeUcAggDWReJZ0w9etvz.RKeDR4H38iSXAzcbcNCg2WQYcb35iGYjobmhvZ5rPuWd5R6eBGEEHM7xCnbo_mzbDni.B38_kB3A X-Received: from [64.223.33.165] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:58:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 10:58:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <012501c99f7d$8c96ef00$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Citadel stock drops from a dime to a penny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=-CrHMhdWWk8G6KoGZdPCusXdp3B9vjGPd32NI68ovkNe21OA6jZe X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your spelling is correct.=A0 I think Citadel has ~58 A.M. stations.=A0 Stil= l 1 more is great!=A0 In Providence they have a music A.M. to boot: True Ol= dies 790.=A0 They also have WPRO. Here's a list that I can come up with from Wikipedia: KAAY=A0=B7 KABC=A0=B7 KARN=A0=B7 KBGG=A0=B7 KBOI=A0=B7 KCSF=A0=B7 KCUB=A0= =B7 KESP=A0=B7 KGO=A0=B7 KJQS=A0=B7 KKAT=A0=B7 KKOB=A0=B7 KKOH=A0=B7 KNEK= =A0=B7 KNML=A0=B7 KPZK=A0=B7 KSFO=A0=B7 KTBL=A0=B7 KTIK=A0=B7 KTUC=A0=B7 KV= OR=A0=B7 WABC=A0=B7 WAPI=A0=B7 WARM=A0=B7 WBAP=A0=B7 WBBL=A0=B7 WBSM=A0=B7 = WGOC=A0=B7 WGOW=A0=B7 WIBR=A0=B7 WIOV=A0=B7 WJCW=A0=B7 WJIM=A0=B7 WJOX=A0= =B7 WJR=A0=B7 WJRD=A0=B7 WJZN=A0=B7 WKY=A0=B7 WLS=A0=B7 WMAL=A0=B7 WMAS=A0= =B7 WMDH=A0=B7 WNBF=A0=B7 WNML=A0=B7 WNSS=A0=B7 WODJ=A0=B7 WPRO=A0=B7 WPRV= =A0=B7 WRIE=A0=B7 WSPZ=A0=B7 WSUB=A0=B7 WTMA=A0=B7 WTRX=A0=B7 WTSK=A0=B7 WT= VL=A0=B7 WVFN=A0=B7 WWLS=A0=B7 WXOK=A0=B7 WXSM=A0=B7 WYOS. Note: WLS is still stereo @ night.=A0 WJR & WPRV were stereo.=A0=20 --- On Sat, 3/7/09, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote= : From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} Citadel stock drops from a dime to a penny To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 6:30 PM =20=20=20=20 Unless I were rich enough to gain controlling interest and get = rid of Fareed Suleman (sp?) who is essentially the cause of the meltdown it= still wouldn't be worth it. It would be great to be rich enough to buy so= me of their stations, though. I still think that's the only way we'll real= ly save AM stereo. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:32 AM Subject: {AMSF} Citadel stock drops from a dime to a penny Thinking about investing in broadcasting? Here is a stock with a price we can all afford. $0.01/share!=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 08 16:03:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57599 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 23:03:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2009 23:03:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 23:03:34 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.241] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090308180303100861100014.0) with SMTP id <20090308180303100861100014> for ; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:03:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003401c9a042$f138ffa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <515208.49658.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:03:03 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Citadel stock drops from a dime to a penny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=tendKizz476yVKEjTNrhDg-p00eqDFwPOmC_83Kxu7kzoYanxZ6T X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think WBAP was as well. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:58 AM Note: WLS is still stereo @ night. WJR & WPRV were stereo. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Mar 08 18:39:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52946 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2009 01:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2009 01:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 01:39:23 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6316 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Mar 2009 01:39:22 -0000 Message-ID: <805951.6234.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: uiZMMY0VM1lMCxOvOgHoQhz9Q1iv2xf6vMhkFQbcZ7EXcriPpF1FLMoKXEMMUW.C31AgkJzctCAT9KdS9LCRg0N52UiLGu_M8VazG1LZAb.QM0GChss4j_TmCbfM.r6nHkjrgJ_D.6sMjScZTbh8iSffJQH7F_p.XODYhMIXCWCkjyHPxwKwVmXvisw- X-Received: from [209.213.19.139] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:39:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 18:39:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003401c9a042$f138ffa0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Citadel stock drops from a dime to a penny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=VvRYTBaZRDCQwi-HIccucSXTAx6PYl0iSt-IV7FQSvs X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW 1320 WISW Columbia, SC is owned by Citadel and no AM stereo. Powell From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 08 22:53:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54713 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2009 05:53:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2009 05:53:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.88) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 05:53:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79548 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2009 05:53:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO q1t5h3) (jimsmith95650@75.19.159.0 with login) by smtp115.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 05:53:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rPpzNKcVM1mZc_4tGtEyMVgGO7TtApZ4fMDG4kL3.3EgylnTAR7sAwt07Nu0R5WwJ8xLFShpq.KNnIOf3qbYi8AdL0fYWMf1zQDae9DuC.fob6.oelQS51YmIKaKSZW.Zro4dPP4Tm7x1__uie7YSS8h X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000a01c9a083$bc17b500$5ce8fea9@q1t5h3> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:53:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: updated AMS list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=ADCThdgoSHCp1p9voJ6-L2OjA7d8c23fpNZ4unjFSIF9OUF93j1D1ys5TVmPShwj4tXtmPAB X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I have read here on the forum that AM 1670 in Fresno Ca is no longer AM STEREO . What happened to the list here at this site? How did it get so far out of update? Jim Smith P.S Not trying to step on any ones toes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 09 11:48:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66142 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2009 18:48:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2009 18:48:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2009 18:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d02.507b769a (14501) for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:45:41 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Citadel stock drops from a dime to a penny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=rqsbkjZTdBwjWdrQzeTdlEQ3cdKyfN6DLyi26aJ8QeTJqGBHwaSLzEtA3o9PAiIq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I exchanged emails with someone who appears knowledgable about the situation at WLS 890 in Chicago. He believes the evening CQUAM operation will end with the retirement of its present CE. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 13:16:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 192 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2009 20:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2009 20:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 20:15:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32246 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2009 20:15:56 -0000 Message-ID: <804243.30486.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5J1egXgVM1ns.zZdYXBlkZDRKQ5dSVwBoc55s80k8w2C02sUtCO5gBucZtSxvvMAcwelwFQO.SBaBgXMs4nBEdvbYL2ImG8XeJpOl3.8BsEEnTxiS8_.AvCJxyRbssN4_RvDPfNobr5M1IfAurj6d9SwKv1VvIsvNpPDbcS7pfi2zHuj8WZ9qqWlAssalGMAWwdMDSw7VBMOGxUlZdo_MxhLfSEqw2CPkvSukA2. X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:15:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:15:56 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Stereo Audio from WOWO in 1992 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=H7SPd3HRCHsAPjpMPuyGVtA1bi1t6aS3usfvnikcdkEQUD40-YAx2Qg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow, did anybody listen to WOWO in stereo in the clip on this website? http://viswiki.com/en/C-QUAM Go to the bottom and listen - what sweet sounding stereo AM! From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 14:51:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90506 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2009 21:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2009 21:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2009 21:51:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81452 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Mar 2009 21:51:45 -0000 Message-ID: <249695.80869.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: VuVegTEVM1mAaO7rj_Y4ud1oiEE.f.vccX7c0xlF3iQDfgLD2Ugl7fmADa._WM08LwDNqy.uwUMEu1.N12ASWod9sixTcFTRjw39LkG9ab7EDuZGPy20.Ic6W7jMLkkgu4OYQ5CdWOiFc2mB4aLzobIbHplAZokuofH4rSSCUlc8y8Dl01lnQaG1sGC3TcnyfwysAycXnVV8aLU2HQQ8x8KGegVoRI54fHtyaowbXhCYCiU- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:51:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:51:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Audio from WOWO in 1992 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=8GGitWuSRyasOxw11UjTykmTj_pWVi66wvPsIprV2g65dQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Sweet indeed...it was Magnavox PMX! G --- On Wed, 3/11/09, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Stereo Audio from WOWO in 1992 > To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 4:15 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > Wow, did anybody listen to WOWO in stereo in the clip on > this website? >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://viswiki. > com/en/C- QUAM >=20 >=20 >=20 > Go to the bottom and listen - what sweet sounding stereo > AM! >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 11 21:35:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28050 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 04:34:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2009 04:34:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 04:34:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2009 04:34:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2009 04:34:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 04:34:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.204 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=cZ6xKEhlroBWBOt1HQ5kmDTXkCgIi26lXIHNZjR0_RENaSZqYA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Everybody knows the speed of the light, in the vacuum space (theoretic envi= roment out of the earth atmosphere), is: 299792.458 kilometers per second. But, I wonder why all the literature about antennas speaks about that value= if we aren't in the vacuum space!!! The actual speed of light in the air (at 20 Celsius degrees) is around 3% l= ess than in the vacuum space. Unfortunately, this value (3%) isn't exact because depends on the frecuency= itself, the air temperature and the air density. But we can use it as an a= verage value. So the final value we have to use to calculate a dipole is: 299792.458 - 3% =3D 290798.68426 kilometers per second. And it is very important, specially above 30 MHZ. But I have a question. I didn't have found a clear answer in the books: Everybody knows that higher, from the ground, the VHF antenna is, better re= sults we get. Even so, there is an equation to calculate the loss in free s= pace from the TX antenna to the RX antenna. I wonder: 1) Does it have some similar effect in the MW band? I mean: if I move my AM= antenna from the valley to a high hill, Will I win something? 2)Can we use the same loss in free space equation, without changes, in the = MW band. Thanks for your help!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 11 23:41:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44447 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 06:41:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2009 06:41:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.210) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 06:41:18 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c1e.2e1a26ce (48624) for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:40:52 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Audio from WOWO in 1992 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zkiXIPHmRMJUGt68q6c6BVNHuCQJpxoG_7jlSxu7FX_npgK3Puuidbl5v9EItxmZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's the same as on YouTube which the author imbedded. With that said, that is a mighty fine signal from 460 miles away. I believe WOWO was one of the first CQUAM AM stereo stations in the country. The author mentions the stereo difference information is in the sidebands. The fact is all AM information is in the sidebands, even in conventional AM. He also forgot about WLS. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Mar 12 00:15:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55046 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 07:15:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2009 07:15:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.36) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 07:15:40 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c55.4377fe52 (48624) for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:15:24 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=0mNQb5OQHv8Vh67KPRzS9MzRMl0ppiPrORJ3bNsc0mP6YcnVZK-ja9zGSrBzSvL7 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, The speed of electicity in coax is only about 80% of c. That is what the "Velocity Factor" on coax means. The electrical length of towers is somewhat a matter of practice rather than theory. WSM at 650 kilohertz at one time had the tallest AM tower in the United States. It was one of those famous Blaw Know Diamonds built in the 1930s. Theoretically, it was designed to be a 1/2 wave. Because the velocity factor in the tower was somewhat unknown, the original tower turned out to be too tall and produced a secondary high angle lobe. The tower had to be trimmed. Unless you are thinking about a Franklin tower, you best coverage is determined by locating the tower where the local ground conductivity is good. Typically, that's near a river, lake, or other large body of water. For that reason, you won't find many AM towers on mountain tops. The vertical center of radiation for a conventional AM tower is ground level, at the juncture of the tower and ground system counterpoise. A Franklin does not use a ground system nor a counterpoise. It's center of radiation is 1/2 wavelength about ground to being with. Putting one those on a mountain top would let you lay down an unbelievable day and nightime contour. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 05:21:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67925 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 12:21:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2009 12:21:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 12:21:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72084 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2009 12:21:09 -0000 Message-ID: <978115.70590.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WPT0x2sVM1kVZ2vGphNt9u4kIx8XxT7JDlXOuf6_tOtdOBRml3vui6m30GQuYdX9tM1i09xKrCNvti7xGUVUn0Mz0vK4_MwW5CSmd2xlXIaaOsIHhJr26CnjfQKrKKXgTg.WDp4dgW.KQEAM3iUGIpjxB2UU3zS7_q8wczDRQXPwGQ-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:21:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:21:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Early AM Stereo - multiple systems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ZTy7PWSBOLDk0sguqfi61waWjFj6Me-yXfDke97_CY6ZemeqN_wuvXM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I believe that WOWO was the test station for the Magnavox system and Delco in Indiana used them during AM stereo testing, and WJR (I believe actually had the Belar system prior to CQuam for testing only). CKLW was the original test station for a hand-wired Harris AM Stereo system. I think Kahn actually did his testing with the Mexican border blasters before he put them into NYC. IIRC, WOWO had not only the 5Hz 'pilot' and low speed data transmission, but also added the 25Hz pilot tone just to jolt C-Quam receivers into action? John From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Mar 12 09:26:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90374 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 16:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2009 16:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 16:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2009 16:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2009 16:26:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:26:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <978115.70590.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Early AM Stereo - multiple systems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=rB1HjXWwKwMY1Wox1Dn1AsqRIobzsXUpTHjTYWlAaeGE X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I think you're correct. They couldn't modify the Magnavox unit so the 25 Hz= was injected externally. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > IIRC, WOWO had not only the 5Hz 'pilot' and low speed data transmission, = but also added the 25Hz pilot tone just to jolt C-Quam receivers into actio= n? >=20 > John > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 11:41:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31188 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 18:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2009 18:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 18:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2009 18:41:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2009 18:41:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:41:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.203.162.17 From: "Sotiris" Subject: CRL AM stereo processors at Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=jaJ7yavs7P3clCiTtEFByS_S1sWkm5AMrB8e7ImwUCg X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Someone is listsing a good batch of AM stereo related CRL items:=20 http://cgi.ebay.com/CRL-SMP-950-Stereo-Martix-Processor_W0QQitemZ2203746338= 57 From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Mar 12 13:04:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20861 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 20:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2009 20:04:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 20:03:59 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cac.4c1e7c32 (33856) for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:03:38 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Early AM Stereo - multiple systems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=VgjXayPKu8lxSr_yob0-HbaZjGMTEqxiQRJwjQ5qxn6PG_4QtOBxshbxKmETY3Dy X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/12/2009 10:27:07 AM Central Standard Time, wa2fnq@optonline.net writes: > I think you're correct. They couldn't modify the Magnavox unit so the 25 Hz > was injected externally. > Didn't they use a cue tone generator from one of the old cart systems? ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 13:36:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97407 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 20:36:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2009 20:36:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 20:36:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2009 20:36:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2009 20:36:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:36:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.69 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=tFTvB-7915c7zJmtNNRvBbDJ1Rv0i0-I6akbnI7vzQRyhJZUdA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thank you so much!!! Your approach solves to me a great doubt about my specific AM tower locatio= n. Now I understand my very good coverage area is because it is almost side= by side with my city river (100 meters). Not a great river at all but ther= e always be water, hahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > The speed of electicity in coax is only about 80% of c. That is what the= =20 > "Velocity Factor" on coax means. >=20 > The electrical length of towers is somewhat a matter of practice rather t= han=20 > theory. WSM at 650 kilohertz at one time had the tallest AM tower in the= =20 > United States. It was one of those famous Blaw Know Diamonds built in th= e 1930s.=20=20 > Theoretically, it was designed to be a 1/2 wave. Because the velocity fa= ctor=20 > in the tower was somewhat unknown, the original tower turned out to be to= o=20 > tall and produced a secondary high angle lobe. The tower had to be trimm= ed. >=20 > Unless you are thinking about a Franklin tower, you best coverage is=20 > determined by locating the tower where the local ground conductivity is g= ood.=20=20 > Typically, that's near a river, lake, or other large body of water. For = that reason,=20 > you won't find many AM towers on mountain tops. The vertical center of=20 > radiation for a conventional AM tower is ground level, at the juncture of= the tower=20 > and ground system counterpoise. A Franklin does not use a ground system = nor=20 > a counterpoise. It's center of radiation is 1/2 wavelength about ground = to=20 > being with. Putting one those on a mountain top would let you lay down a= n=20 > unbelievable day and nightime contour. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3Demployment_agencies&ncid= =3Demlcntusyelp00000005) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 15:12:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50950 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 22:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2009 22:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 22:12:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 16174 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2009 22:12:02 -0000 Message-ID: <402839.15626.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: xHEiA7sVM1m7.ThrtWDVz2HtxaWekelnw2qkE8V55IjBH9gTGvkTb8sjCehmoWeTSo41GJVI5eTP2CwyE3UaiRgOBfyUFrbp_6F8W7eT8ZIhYEQcNaj2yPQspxKAt._9vIUPVyJpBF1o5xK.gSUF51CS4QGAScfo9e_7HXuMDrnPxTskbNdnIMrwHr9NShiCpjAm.cCoHThwmL0v46nyfDIhatjvnH14C36G X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:12:02 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:12:02 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Audio from WOWO in 1992 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=MJux7ADBkJFe5SWX_0n2jyY7l7pO50jX58RJj4vB3mYUYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 WOWO wasn't the first, last, or ANY C-QUAM station. They were PMX, with a = 25 Hz. pilot injected in the audio chain to "fool" C-QUAM decoders into dec= oding it. They were PMX to the bitter end, and when C-QUAM became standard= they just went mono. (They continued to send out the 5 Hz. PMX pilot, at t= he same time, I believe) (If Bob Streeter stops by, he can tell you all the interesting history of W= OWO's AM Stereo days...what a station that was!) George --- On Thu, 3/12/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Audio from WOWO in 1992 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 2:40 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > That's the same as on YouTube which the > author imbedded. With that said,=20 >=20 > that is a mighty fine signal from 460 miles away. I > believe WOWO was one of the=20 >=20 > first CQUAM AM stereo stations in the country. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The author mentions the stereo difference information is in > the sidebands.=20=20 >=20 > The fact is all AM information is in the sidebands, even in > conventional AM.=20=20 >=20 > He also forgot about WLS. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************ ** >=20 > Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 >=20 > (http://yellowpages. > aol.com/search? query=3Demployment _agencies& amp;ncid=3D > emlcntusyelp0000 0005) >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 15:18:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81658 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 22:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2009 22:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 22:18:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 21215 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Mar 2009 22:18:24 -0000 Message-ID: <387978.20005.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OcpkXJwVM1lcGZmVINl9HZdS5nR4EObsvlvr2THdwQymYLDOIZtb5c9xfRP0Lnx5vZOs2c_9vQ9YomWeD8W6LWbbUmD.mLWr3KR8qLr4BVedtnl6hTa7YL8KRa8ieHd29Wi7Mbo7fA27ylmsyZl0uT6AEhnB5sUqh1QrMMK1YHdvXmoJFu6489mrmlYlxHQe02CTaFDEZ8KZqamY1oZiQu_mNa7Cn6GYAV8s5z7Cu0_6Hq4- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:18:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:18:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Early AM Stereo - multiple systems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Q1gecYJUHYDPSysILRfT4hzrlKvSObQGE8toifJg5t46bw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, WOWO had a 25 Hz. oscillator from a cart recorder (cue tone) in split = phase fed into the chain...cool way to suddenly light up stereo indicators = all over the eastern US, Eh? Agreement with Continental Electronics prohibi= ted making any changes to the exciter, so CE Eric Culp just went around it!= Eric was a true hero in the AM Stereo realm.=20 Kahn tested his ISB on XETRA in Tijuana, back in the 60's. (probably for th= e same reason other broadcasters crossed the border...no interference from = Uncle Charlie!) George=20 --- On Thu, 3/12/09, John P. wrote: > From: John P. > Subject: {AMSF} Early AM Stereo - multiple systems > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 8:21 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > I believe that WOWO was the test station for the Magnavox > system and Delco in Indiana used them during AM stereo > testing, and WJR (I believe actually had the Belar system > prior to CQuam for testing only). CKLW was the original > test station for a hand-wired Harris AM Stereo system. I > think Kahn actually did his testing with the Mexican border > blasters before he put them into NYC. >=20 >=20 >=20 > IIRC, WOWO had not only the 5Hz 'pilot' and low > speed data transmission, but also added the 25Hz pilot tone > just to jolt C-Quam receivers into action? >=20 >=20 >=20 > John >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 16:17:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 425 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 23:17:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2009 23:17:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 23:17:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2009 23:17:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2009 23:17:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:17:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.125 From: "jotape1960" Subject: C-QUAM advantages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=LDQj2hekTn6DZpdgzjeKfEK-LbnCs69VawFrBAtzk-tFU4KNpA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Can somebody explain me something, please? I read about some C-QUAM advantages in comparison with the standard mono tr= ansmission. One of them would be, as C-QUAM uses a 25 HZ pilot tone, we need to cut all= the audio below 40 HZ. The advantage would be the TX would transmit with l= ess intermodulation distortion. ??? True? ??? The other advantage would be C-QUAM would reach far than a mono TX. ??? ???= ??? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Mar 12 16:27:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40140 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 23:27:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2009 23:27:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 23:27:37 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.143] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090312182719101068500011.0) with SMTP id <20090312182719101068500011> for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:27:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004101c9a36b$03b520c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:27:19 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM advantages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=r6lqJMW08gUjaS2dDt4ASX5kiv7GDjqG5MWT0guUTaO2PPmUFWk7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would have been more true back in the days of tube transmitters. Most solid state ones wouldn't be affected. Mono and stereo have the same range, though many receivers would blend to mono at the fringes. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:18 PM I read about some C-QUAM advantages in comparison with the standard mono transmission. One of them would be, as C-QUAM uses a 25 HZ pilot tone, we need to cut all the audio below 40 HZ. The advantage would be the TX would transmit with less intermodulation distortion. ??? True? ??? The other advantage would be C-QUAM would reach far than a mono TX. ??? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Mar 12 16:33:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51398 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2009 23:33:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2009 23:33:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 23:33:51 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.143] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090312183342101590200010.0) with SMTP id <20090312183342101590200010> for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:33:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <000d01c9a36b$e88c3260$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:33:42 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CRL AM stereo processors at Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=WTNwsUKQC-TspxgAYJt6ejNL5yT82WAGFvOBOIzwt7_SG6JDBrxg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But $45 for shipping??!! It can't be THAT heavy. A 1RU rack face couldn't hold that much weight. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: {AMSF} CRL AM stereo processors at Ebay Someone is listsing a good batch of AM stereo related CRL items: http://cgi.ebay.com/CRL-SMP-950-Stereo-Martix-Processor_W0QQitemZ220374633857 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 13 11:20:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54717 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 18:20:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 18:20:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 18:20:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c81.491fb953 (41812) for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:20:14 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=M2jqvAVZ3hMUODNeJYRHxjv_2y1RiZZ5-Pfm7UKjmJqa8pLVDwJuOA-cvndR0h2b X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/12/2009 2:37:34 PM Central Standard Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > Now I understand my very good coverage area is because it is almost side by > side with my city river (100 meters). Right you are! Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 11:20:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81737 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 18:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 18:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 18:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2009 18:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.186] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Mar 2009 18:20:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:20:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c9a36b$e88c3260$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.143 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CRL AM stereo processors at Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=O2nukfph0Nyu7VQMiduyrECAh62l6gsvpUSC4ZVkL60VfvLvKg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Just curious: I understand it is one part of the whole CRL set of processors to AM (it ha= d 3 units), or am I wrong? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > But $45 for shipping??!! It can't be THAT heavy. A 1RU rack face couldn= 't hold that much weight. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Sotiris=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:41 PM > Subject: {AMSF} CRL AM stereo processors at Ebay >=20 >=20 > Someone is listsing a good batch of AM stereo related CRL items:=20 >=20 > http://cgi.ebay.com/CRL-SMP-950-Stereo-Martix-Processor_W0QQitemZ220374= 633857 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 13 11:39:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82070 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 18:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 18:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 18:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.ce7.498268ee (41812) for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:38:52 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM advantages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=xx4OhcUqTG2j4BuGszq8td4GKtZDUt1owjEhlj2klApZry13qYyRwJu1gY6mCEdr X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, CQUAM uses a 25 hz (L-R) pilot which is 26 dB down (5%). Because it is (L-R), it does not modulate the main L+R (mono) signal whatsoever. As for rolling off the low end at 40 hz on the transmitter end, there are two schools of thought. The purists say there is little practical reason for doing in modern transmitters and signal chains. In older plate modulated transmitters, you're right. Because of the modulation transformer and reactor, the IM distortion could become unreasonable. Also, most of what was in that spectral region was turntable rumble and mic pops. However, the place to roll off the response was not at the transmitter but before the compressor limiter. The other school of thought is why transmit something few if anyone can receiver? The Denon TU-680NAB drastically, by design, rolls off below 50hz as means of dealing with 25 hertz pilot which will appear in the individual channels. The Meduci tuner goes all the way down, but their S/N spec was done without the stereo pilot which one will never see in real life. However, it seems like a great product. The pilot tone issue can be address, but as a practical matter, it may not be worth it. The problem it causes is doing measurements, not listening. If I were a transmitter designer or station CE, my highest priority would be reducing distortion, especially on the mid to high end. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 13 11:44:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26233 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 18:44:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 18:44:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 18:44:55 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bcd.499197ce (41812) for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:44:26 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM advantages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7qeRp7XBiM1AfRAA0xDuGw_YMocQ-6li2EyxZlACMgCmmjmT15h2QegehC3eLMTn X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heartily agree with Scott. It wasn't the tubes per se, but the high level transformer coupled plate modulation. The modulator for a 50kW transmitter required a minimum 35 kW audio transformer. If you have ever seen tube audio amplifiers, it took alot of iron in the core just to 35 watts down to 20 or 30 hertz and the IM distortion was nothing to write home about. Early PCM transmitters still used tubes and had a low end response than went all the down to basement of transmitter shed. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 13 11:46:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67899 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2009 18:46:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2009 18:46:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2009 18:46:37 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imr-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c6c.44c9234c (41812) for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:46:14 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} CRL AM stereo processors at Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=XHf1eWx2Y_RR_MnsMDnRKFrY8m0F0GMjMCUU9EhgEYMnTZAB0aNdVs3i20Yd9MqO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/12/2009 5:34:25 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > But $45 for shipping??!! It can't be THAT heavy. A 1RU rack face couldn't > hold that much weight. > Welcome to eBay. Shipping and handling is where some sellers make ALL their money. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Mar 14 08:27:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89690 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2009 15:27:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2009 15:27:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2009 15:27:08 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cf1.515c41d8 (32915) for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:26:59 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM advantages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Q_bPSliW9QdhZ6W5MnL3w0gz0lbDCbmVfFTbBkYGQC3BEZ7G_QrEJJSO7ce4sfsR X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/12/2009 5:18:32 PM Central Standard Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > The other advantage would be C-QUAM would reach far than a mono TX. ??? ??? > ??? > I have heard this before and believe it is an urban myth. The basis of this claim may lie in the fact that generally C-QUAM radios are just better radios which may include a TRF stage giving it more sensitivity and thus can receive stations, all stations, at a greater distance. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Mar 14 16:02:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67311 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2009 23:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2009 23:02:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2009 23:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2009 23:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2009 23:02:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 23:02:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.94 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Sp2sMBDKmUv6zmeFIPhK97wwXxiZw8XB_wv4zkO5q6jPludXFA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I need some help with my maths: Supposing I have 1000 Wts in my antenna base point, supposing my antenna wo= uld have 50 Ohms, according with my limited knowledges about the Ohm rule, = we would have: ANTENNA IMPEDANCE: 50 Ohms RF POWER: 1000 Wts RF CURRENT: 4.47 RF Amperes RF VOLTAGE: 223.61 RF Volts Am I right? How could I calculate the equivalent to standard electricity values? I mean= , there must some equation to know how AC current, voltage and power there = is in the antenna base, Or not? Thanks for your help!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Mar 14 17:09:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84626 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2009 00:09:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2009 00:09:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2009 00:09:51 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.99] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090314190943101900100014.0) with SMTP id <20090314190943101900100014> for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:09:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003e01c9a503$47f20ca0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:09:43 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=CtLZQ3Z-QOkAshA4NHyOXBqE1WtMl1ooqBlbnPdvuTaVEnwkkIi_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Same as any other AC or DC measurement, assuming the reactance is tuned out= of the antenna. Your calculation is correct. I^2xR=3DPower so your base = current should be the square root of 20. Scott ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: {AMSF} Antenna issue Hi Gang!!! I need some help with my maths: Supposing I have 1000 Wts in my antenna base point, supposing my antenna = would have 50 Ohms, according with my limited knowledges about the Ohm rule= , we would have: ANTENNA IMPEDANCE: 50 Ohms RF POWER: 1000 Wts RF CURRENT: 4.47 RF Amperes RF VOLTAGE: 223.61 RF Volts Am I right? How could I calculate the equivalent to standard electricity values? I me= an, there must some equation to know how AC current, voltage and power ther= e is in the antenna base, Or not? Thanks for your help!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Mar 14 18:22:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70274 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2009 01:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2009 01:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2009 01:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2009 01:22:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2009 01:22:12 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:22:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003e01c9a503$47f20ca0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.240 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=yA7mSTE1-_hen-PpTcajWFJt4VnxMKKRPqahGt7wEuZh5M4Tpg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thank you so much!!! I have to learn about the reactance issue and how to build an ATU (because = I don't think it is a cheap element). Do you know some "map" in the web? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Same as any other AC or DC measurement, assuming the reactance is tuned o= ut of the antenna. Your calculation is correct. I^2xR=3DPower so your bas= e current should be the square root of 20. >=20 > Scott >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jotape1960=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:02 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Antenna issue >=20 >=20 > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I need some help with my maths: >=20 > Supposing I have 1000 Wts in my antenna base point, supposing my antenn= a would have 50 Ohms, according with my limited knowledges about the Ohm ru= le, we would have: >=20 > ANTENNA IMPEDANCE: 50 Ohms > RF POWER: 1000 Wts > RF CURRENT: 4.47 RF Amperes > RF VOLTAGE: 223.61 RF Volts >=20 > Am I right? >=20 > How could I calculate the equivalent to standard electricity values? I = mean, there must some equation to know how AC current, voltage and power th= ere is in the antenna base, Or not? >=20 > Thanks for your help!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Mar 14 18:48:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23030 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2009 01:48:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2009 01:48:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2009 01:48:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cc3.3fde03e1 (14501) for ; Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 21:48:42 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=DOsLeh_IOX24iMSQtpj6BQteXe4TULeQ8D4jzR5JT1EEwTMIp8w_5Tse2TOSggnH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, The simplest and least expensive way to match a tower is to use shunt feed. You have a moveable tap on the tower and adjust it until the real impedance is 50 ohms and then tune out the reactance with a one simple vacuum capacitor. The method also saves the cost of base insulator and improves the structural strength of the tower and makes it less vulnerable to lightning as the entire tower is at galvanic ground. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Mar 15 10:36:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78522 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2009 17:36:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2009 17:36:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2009 17:36:10 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cc1.4fe59b03 (14501) for ; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:36:01 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Check out A selection from a decade of visits to tower and studio sites in th X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KD75XFLs8g75uXiONIso6tEvML7Ikqs4OaH-gEQstHwLSpXIaVqtdJ3XlssyeGFp X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Here are some things you might find interesting. What I didn't know is that the FCC in the United States will no longer issue construction permits for shunt feed towers. Apparently, these towers are empirically designed and do not lend themselves well to modeling. Mike Click here: A selection from a decade of visits to tower and studio sites in the Northeast and beyond Also, Subject: [Antennaware] ?? abt shunt fed tower From: kkidd@kkbc.com (Kevin Kidd) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:45:05 -0600 Hi Lane,Depending on the desired freq of operation theshunt will be attached at different placesanyway. On 1/4 wave shunt fed broadcast towers,the shunt is usually about 1/3rd the way up(notice I said 1/4 wave AND usually AND about). Unless someone here can model your situation andgive a better idea I would have to say thatrandomly picking a spot and trying it will beabout the easiest thing to do. Probably start atthe top and see what it looks like. If you havean antenna analyzer it will make things easier. Also, with most shunt fed towers around 1/4 wavetall (electrical height at desired freq being thedeciding factor) if the measured resistance is toohigh then the shunt is too high.FWIW, when we tune AM broadcast shunts orunipoles, we normally tune them for 50 ohms andthen cancel the inductive reactance with a simpleseries vacuum variable cap. Sometimes thereactance becomes unmanageable and the resistancehas to be set somewhere other than 50 just to keepthe reactance within reason. In this situation aT-network tuner is employed to tune to 50 ohms 0jto make the transmitter happy.Good Luck, ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Mar 15 11:24:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64253 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2009 18:24:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2009 18:24:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s11.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.214) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2009 18:24:07 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W33 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s11.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:24:05 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:24:05 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2009 18:24:05.0757 (UTC) FILETIME=[395B52D0:01C9A59B] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Check out A selection from a decade of visits to tower and studio sites in th X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=IdVSqf4G0Ql_DNEGyyuHwvWZ8V19qQk7GiiGhgJbp5ZQUFwkhddg X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, I cannot find the "click here" link in your post. Thanks, MTGC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: mjgrant@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:36:01 -0400 Subject: {AMSF} Check out A selection from a decade of visits to tower and studio sites in th Juan, Here are some things you might find interesting. What I didn't know is that the FCC in the United States will no longer issue construction permits for shunt feed towers. Apparently, these towers are empirically designed and do not lend themselves well to modeling. Mike Click here: A selection from a decade of visits to tower and studio sites in the Northeast and beyond Also, Subject: [Antennaware] ?? abt shunt fed tower From: kkidd@kkbc.com (Kevin Kidd) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 08:45:05 -0600 Hi Lane,Depending on the desired freq of operation theshunt will be attached at different placesanyway. On 1/4 wave shunt fed broadcast towers,the shunt is usually about 1/3rd the way up(notice I said 1/4 wave AND usually AND about). Unless someone here can model your situation andgive a better idea I would have to say thatrandomly picking a spot and trying it will beabout the easiest thing to do. Probably start atthe top and see what it looks like. If you havean antenna analyzer it will make things easier. Also, with most shunt fed towers around 1/4 wavetall (electrical height at desired freq being thedeciding factor) if the measured resistance is toohigh then the shunt is too high.FWIW, when we tune AM broadcast shunts orunipoles, we normally tune them for 50 ohms andthen cancel the inductive reactance with a simpleseries vacuum variable cap. Sometimes thereactance becomes unmanageable and the resistancehas to be set somewhere other than 50 just to keepthe reactance within reason. In this situation aT-network tuner is employed to tune to 50 ohms 0jto make the transmitter happy.Good Luck, ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 20:06:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35758 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 03:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 03:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 03:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 03:06:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 03:06:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:06:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.195 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=GEqOs5UgwGam6qicOyLSs5ZYhnXPBMzF11jnN0CtdKtyOJFTEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 But... I still need some passive circuit. I guess one or two adjustable coi= ls. I don't think the internal McMartin output circuit be enough. My problem is I don't know how to calculate (and make) the coils. Some idea= ? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > The simplest and least expensive way to match a tower is to use shunt fee= d.=20=20 > You have a moveable tap on the tower and adjust it until the real impedan= ce is=20 > 50 ohms and then tune out the reactance with a one simple vacuum capacito= r. >=20 > The method also saves the cost of base insulator and improves the structu= ral=20 > strength of the tower and makes it less vulnerable to lightning as the en= tire=20 > tower is at galvanic ground. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3Demployment_agencies&ncid= =3Demlcntusyelp00000005) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Mar 15 20:09:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68395 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 03:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 03:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 03:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 03:09:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 03:09:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:09:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.195 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=dZtZ1eNPB6wdDlwZb4xoh5hBzzRKmMPovz9elX-3T7X_lk9jsA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 By the way, Can I use a reinforced cement structure as a tower base insulat= or? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > The simplest and least expensive way to match a tower is to use shunt fee= d.=20=20 > You have a moveable tap on the tower and adjust it until the real impedan= ce is=20 > 50 ohms and then tune out the reactance with a one simple vacuum capacito= r. >=20 > The method also saves the cost of base insulator and improves the structu= ral=20 > strength of the tower and makes it less vulnerable to lightning as the en= tire=20 > tower is at galvanic ground. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 > (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3Demployment_agencies&ncid= =3Demlcntusyelp00000005) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Mar 15 22:24:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24440 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 05:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 05:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 05:24:16 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d27.271595a3 (41812) for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:24:09 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Check out A selection from a decade of visits to tower and studio ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=VNIPJJgwaeqUgYT91fC946IbqeiKW_fAWFaTsFj_pFMtcavfuRAa9Amf9XqQMKzF X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry if the hotlink got stripped. Here is the full URL: http://www.fybush.com/sites/2007/site-070223.html The shunt fed towers are mentioned about half way down. Note those are also free standing towers. I took a look at KOAC's file and their system has respectable performance given their towers are considerably less than a 1/4 wave. At 550 kilohertz, towers tend to be tall. The articles notes this may be the only shunt feed directional array in the United States. A cement block will not work as a base insulator. It takes glazed porcelain designed for that purpose. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 06:56:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60788 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 13:56:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 13:56:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 13:56:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 53912 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2009 13:56:49 -0000 Message-ID: <705353.53153.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: VW7I74MVM1n4j0OzZyeSg.aKFZyUpFNteicLi5ci82qEmftCDhvknnm5nALbmSqZBxrszoZbc_z0o8EkBxuvp7Kds3TumimEmS86Zr65j72O5pMnmKGFbINU.fE9by.WrXLzMaZztFo68ldzzEdXfFBT6D5hjKj_tkunhFr5eZ_zcw-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:56:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:56:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=9LevDSsetlst4VM_L8sv8_xg9THESiHmMnd345MPYZdSiNFs4zuKPtg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Juan, you'll need a special porcelin insulator that can both take the tower weight load and provide the electrical insulation required. John From w6yn@juno.com Mon Mar 16 08:53:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17478 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 15:53:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 15:53:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 15:53:03 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE567QUA56L83J for (sender ); Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:52:50 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8f5zg9w6GpBH1MS3VYW/OI= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PBSNTUF4; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:52:50 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.243.175] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:52:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:52:24 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090316.085224.16008.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:692268555 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Was GE now RCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=WgVdB8CjAppeZayMucv4epJEbB-Efvz-OHjiVuwG0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I see that GE SUPER RADIO III AM/FM radio is still available but now has an= RCA logo. It is now called the RCA RP7887 AM/FM Super Portable Radio. Both labels are licensed to Thomson (France). Don From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 08:54:45 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 61460 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 15:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 15:54:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n60d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.85) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 15:54:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1237218881; bh=LnOrOyoEeeI260RvuW7hE0ncRt/AVJYGtMmWVUUiTrs=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=PDdD329HQxNdLbXBVwnEzhl5jU3W3OQN+XKr0pYy41g3umQqKDXbn5wEIkEDWLk+oticZB9gjjOTgvrgxhfneVETZ5Y2twY9EWxrfSdt0e8TWVlbGsOicAH204rkkw8t Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n60.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 15:54:41 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.186] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 15:54:41 -0000 X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84207 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 00:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 8 Mar 2009 00:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.42) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 00:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n15.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 00:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 00:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 00:23:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 48392.85955.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 23721 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 00:23:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp122.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 00:23:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0Ly9PYgVM1ke1J.NWj8XRdD690DEQtuOGBsgAgdY9.lxyyAdIPCHnZLin7v1n6GEPeeZUXMPggHlLcqkzTT1fOLO5i5gThet1CppgHwWthVswIQDYg8q2QvGkzA0P4.xOqmu4uf5ZAPvPDi7oHiYLB24I0At244t.jvgb8GbuUVH4Wrztufcw6lSYjGH499vLgaCpqU41y4vNqb8WOqdQuSICS0Qf6Q- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system In-Reply-To: <012501c99f7d$8c96ef00$d503fea9@stodd> References: <20090306.083035.3360.6.w6yn@juno.com> <012501c99f7d$8c96ef00$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <518E91B4-C0BC-4F35-AD7F-9C109C48D3F4@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:23:37 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Citadel stock drops from a dime to a penny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=qUupLoRSQ8DVOAFo092nG_g6QJxmX6T5ku95mOorkY0YqOMMPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Mar 2009 15:54:41 -0000 Citadel is a penny, Westwood One is three pennies. Clear Channel is a buck fifteen, Entercom is ninety three cents. Cumulus is a buck seven. If you had money, you could buy a chunk of these losers and hope that you didn't lose it all. The only ones that will survive are guys like Bob Bittner at WJIB. Kevin On Mar 7, 2009, at 5:30 PM, wrote: > Unless I were rich enough to gain controlling interest and get rid > of Fareed Suleman (sp?) who is essentially the cause of the > meltdown it still wouldn't be worth it. It would be great to be > rich enough to buy some of their stations, though. I still think > that's the only way we'll really save AM stereo. 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(big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2009 23:25:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: P_z57jMVM1lHj4Ce9PYiU0zQsUETh6JqFldsqvi09QbefWvj9S3amXvawhV14MnADxvFTfw7FwTtJykOcQ8TgNFNbbW1ZZsUSeeB1a_twuUJjerD_1ycSNvB.VvwzEzUZghVSzQNl3bCjTiCNGMcFsiyaaEg1CAqLTI2fM8T85TpufrPiDbJcAEK.PA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 18:25:01 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM advantages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=y_IVnvEH3puOvPjfPAOZf45ubtPXqzDSeSUmAkfwmJHg22Hd2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Mar 2009 15:55:00 -0000 On Mar 12, 2009, at 6:17 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > The other advantage would be C-QUAM would reach far than a mono TX. I have ALWAYS known this to be the case. Every time I observed a station to turn off its AM stereo, the signal does not travel as far as before. 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(big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2009 16:26:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .RpmlK4VM1kP60U_12CO1HlG1YVGfym8nqp_2UwfRGHdLQl9BnX5b8PLyjWObzjRjmNAx9ynLL4KeEq0H0b.HARKziAca0lJk8ckAFSFSPD2q4ergqPufhTkuVias2nPcgkAekh.IP8gTdful5qsgmpaLCeQgekYvoSx2Ylv7waLt9U4AsatUoUyYXFc3Qa2JKqEhNwH8sOJcMvgVbSS360fSQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9EDD0CF1-443F-41E2-A2C4-F5A0118A756B@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:26:41 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: C-QUAM extends your transmission range X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=AOwoisdUPBXhLjTCnUwDIIlHTOjfMtVIRZPw8M3smVlvtycOsg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Mar 2009 15:55:07 -0000 On Mar 14, 2009, at 10:26 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I have heard this before and believe it is an urban myth. The > basis of this > claim may lie in the fact that generally C-QUAM radios are just > better radios > which may include a TRF stage giving it more sensitivity and thus > can receive > stations, all stations, at a greater distance. Mike, It is NO urban myth. I can tell you that as each one shut it off, I could no longer hear the stations from the east when I lived in Phoenix. The first station that I observed this with was WSM. I observed it with WHAS. When they turned it off, I never heard them again out west. When KRLD turned it off, their signal decreased, KFI turned it off and their signal decreased as did KNX, and this is on nice receivers like Kenwood R-1000, Sony ICF-2010, Eton E1, Hallicrafters SX99 and not just C- QUAM receivers. Those radios mentioned will out receive any C-QUAM radio ever made. I will go to my grave saying that when you turn off your AM Stereo, you lose range on your transmission because when you know truth, you know truth. Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 10:38:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33695 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 17:38:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 17:38:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 17:38:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82891 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2009 17:38:10 -0000 Message-ID: <594488.81936.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: BhWpelsVM1kWEj0e8ril1GtvSVFOBnVWHI7ImQu3wWJ6jOO_nmOi.Z2.57NYjZApPHz8JEoEdG1_Rv6RSqzW6p_5dOPaJODVGi2LyapUzLWFw_SXAymxcyNfD7O8suUkPNe.4C3vSHDQ8M8WhDSlfb1t3v44veO.ikxc6hXrM_IWRuDwUTmW.kC2aJyeRZdn941ihC6qp3036_K9Hp1wOH4j X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:38:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:38:10 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20090316.085224.16008.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was GE now RCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=wfTNLTPU-A1vRSlyK19S2C03ZaSf4_zUhSneCc5e6GI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW That has also been discontinued. The RCA ones are *ALL* defective. They use too cheap a pot for the electronic tuning and the radio just is too unstable to use. I have 2. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 3/16/09, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >> I see that GE SUPER RADIO III AM/FM radio is still available > but now has an RCA logo. It is now called the RCA RP7887 > AM/FM Super Portable Radio. > Both labels are licensed to Thomson (France). From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 16 12:32:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60823 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 19:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 19:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 19:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bdd.47be38e9 (39329) for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:32:05 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=HVgAXxoGSqnBs0gbvmRS-ZwCgs6wgDwc_OxNl5tUEbfGvLdNJxoXOerc38Xl3RtZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/15/2009 9:07:02 PM Central Standard Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > But... I still need some passive circuit. I guess one or two adjustable > coils. I don't think the internal McMartin output circuit be enough. > > My problem is I don't know how to calculate (and make) the coils. Some idea? > The McMartin no doubt matches a 50 ohm purely resistive output. You need an ATU to match the tower impedance to the transmission line which matches the transmitter output. Towers have both a radiation resistance (real) and a reactive component (imaginary). As the electrical length of the tower increases, the reactive component, which is capacitive, gradually decreases until it becomes 0 at 1/4 wavelength, then becomes inductive and increases until tower reaches 3/8 wavelength when it decreases but stays inductive until it reaches 1/2 wavelength when it becomes 0 again. The reactive component is cancelled by placing a corresponding reactance of equal magnitude and opposite polarity typically in series with it. For example, if the tower is capacitively reactive, as is the case when it is less than 1/4 wavelength, an inductor (coil) is placed in series with it. If the tower is inductive, as is the case if the tower is between 1/4 and 1/2 wavelength, a capacitor used in series instead of an inductor. The reactive component is generally variable to allow for "tuning" the tower as minor changes in its reactance changes. Theoretically, a tower can be constructed to be purely resistive by adjusting the height alone. This is often easier said than done. The problem is its true electrical wavelength is somewhat uncertain as is the reactance of the grounding system. It's cut and try. Many old self-supporting towers were topped by a mast which could be used to trim the antenna to near resonance. Difficulties arise if the reactance of the tower becomes too great. While any reactance can be cancelled, the more reactance that is required causes three complications. The first is the size and cost of the required tuning reactive component. The second is the stability of the total system, that is, keeping it in resonance. The smaller the reactance, the smaller the drift. The last is Q or bandwidth. The more reactance that is needed, the greater the Q and narrower than the bandwidth. As broadcast stations must be able to transmit over a wide range of audio frequencies, this can be a problem. You are fortunate that your station is 1,000 watts as there is ham gear and components that can accommodate that power range. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 16 12:36:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79323 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 19:36:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 19:36:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 19:36:47 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c01.58ef63ea (39329) for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:36:01 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Citadel stock drops from a dime to a penny X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=l19d5wsSu7z_wt75fCNf4ZXzfJ9dvllKHRC1QVzzmuJw8akkpufjZRqgCwjNr-jH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are these companies buried in debt? Citadel has some high value properties, at least in terms of coverage. The facilities alone must be worth more than that. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 12:38:34 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 87453 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 19:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 19:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n46d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.172) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 19:38:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1237218907; bh=1us6u0AqU5Ngy7HILYPvf2WA8xrXCQjZ27K4fSfxrRE=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=cb4rCFQI+w+vsEHOAJJxjTFNf4hAAynA87zv2RYraSew9Y2pFJlaXxTqW9Sq5rlLlVSZkCCfQoWxPy57VSdUBm5dVfce0SbpVgH8UxhNZzzos19GBBCOaI4ZJ2DfGLGM Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 15:55:07 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 15:54:48 -0000 X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22474 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 00:25:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2009 00:25:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.146) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 00:25:12 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 00:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 00:25:11 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2009 00:25:11 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 701382.45091.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 5164 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2009 00:25:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2009 00:25:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8KO2gtoVM1kGer7GPVvMdhRx3DOUjeCy8i23orToIOorPQU2TSMnOqW3PcIOi4cXhboXKY9EAeJUVGB3xUYoFjQMUguCFq2W4ExvgTlrIY83gt2pK_aRxBgMbguuBvi.gRuSUJnGidc6_rusVa_RUwoKasqDnNL0jxSA83p.zhx7fJ8L5rA.XBWh4HX3kMPO3Wh2HPGaT.ElhCuAAtTiMGNojSUWask- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system In-Reply-To: <00c201c99f77$9b791c60$d503fea9@stodd> References: <20090305.074404.28036.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <5374689E-9A03-4E2B-BF16-20D0A1E9A562@yahoo.com> <00c201c99f77$9b791c60$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <116E37B6-83DA-4CAA-A4F9-3E7668EA6B04@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 18:25:06 -0600 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=r-elCV-lC0ja6owKy9ON4D8QZh0T55CMmKTfq0DhyojOskfPIA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 16 Mar 2009 15:54:47 -0000 On Mar 7, 2009, at 4:47 PM, wrote: > I'd be in favor of an up to date list. Who wants to compile it and > make it available? We already know of some that still are. Has > anyone been taking notes so we can at least start there? I am sure you are talking about C-QUAM because HD on MW is mostly in stereo. Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 16 12:45:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80872 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 19:45:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 19:45:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 19:45:44 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c1b.48e06c43 (39329) for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:43:01 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM advantages X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=F4cmRAMsomhycOE-SNHY8QWsIfQiW-122mW1dz3UEv0lb7EzOrmDin8cJN6JtCFP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin, I cannot even begin to suggest a theoretical explanation, but the pure empirical data suggest you may be right. The case I have in mind is KCJJ in Iowa City which has unbelievable nightime coverage for a 1,000 watts into a 1/4 wave tower. Some say it is the extraordinary ground conductivity of the area. However, there are lots of stations in the area with comparable or greater power which don't even approach KCJJ's nightime coverage. Some say it is near shortwave. There are a fair number of extended band stations and none I know that can match KCJJ's coverage either. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 16 12:54:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49971 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 19:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 19:54:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 19:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c0e.47e6be59 (39329) for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:51:47 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM extends your transmission range X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=f5RaFftjU2qd7UjDOl341kS43kOW41fWW4iWHGyUEqqG6SWosnse8fgM9NA6nfo0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't doubt your observation. I just can't explain it. In theory, a station could phase modulation thei ordinary AM mono transmission at a 25 hertz rate and get the same effect. Essentially, just parallel the L and R inputs to an AM Stereo exciter, which is legal. Have you thought of sharing your observations with the CE's of any of those stations? That may be why WLS keeps it CQUAM operation at night. I don't know if what they broadcast is stereo material or not. On my radio, all their evening programming seems to only come from the Right. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 16 14:34:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34120 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 21:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 21:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.221) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 21:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 21:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.73] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 21:34:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 21:34:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 8805.58095.bm@omp425.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 66943 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 21:34:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO q1t5h3) (jimsmith95650@75.57.250.66 with login) by smtp107.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 21:34:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: zgAZXdQVM1kOLhF1Ipd5cAAd66__4vX4Wkt3l2NkHHq__SKC8QDQzNO2cnPc.vJbnZMED6NHHBO3UY_Unp7soOKp6icTOChbiuBBr6KxqfIezsy5xyHuPzAJqaOka4Zw9cYyUl7fXSKMewegHFppa8tK X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000a01c9a687$794c2940$5ce8fea9@q1t5h3> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:35:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Sanean pr-d5 AM FM FM STEREO RDS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=KXwt_nQdFe_tC3bls8bWALvAZqL3iRiS9w6dfi6JSqiCVoJNH_uto9djtZ65Q4oNtaNdG323 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Dose any one know any more than whats said in descriptions on this radio . What I read that its all so being marketed heavly in Japan. AM STEREO?!? Its analog only digatal tuning. It would be neat to find out the tract record on that radio. Thay are pushing the AM side realy heavy also. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 14:46:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82154 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 21:46:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 21:46:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 21:46:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29236 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2009 21:46:44 -0000 Message-ID: <284044.28966.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: rwnEPQ8VM1lbfdog_0Hl_uKA3KOcO_45ZJD1nB7IkiJhdQJkOkWaIfiL83hTV6GvnvFxcWuChzSO7709x.PXL4Nz3ASzA33b1wmVxphQG78YhdLhE7.TOP3xjwWXYetSZ3Tm7HVQcZm8Az_EArCqIEGFuwkPSKlK4WijqjlEub0Wte9u..9HkLbGHwZEjg.sl4UY9f3AqVIgrKlVLcSFUwT0 X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:46:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:46:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c9a687$794c2940$5ce8fea9@q1t5h3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sanean pr-d5 AM FM FM STEREO RDS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=SPUCMnBkK10Lnf3W_WTPRNPrtSIPaTmqIbYdwM-XQOA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NO, IT DOES NOT HAVE AM STEREO. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 3/16/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang Dose any one know any more than whats said in > descriptions on this radio . What I read that its all so > being marketed heavly in Japan. AM STEREO?!? Its analog > only digatal tuning. It would be neat to find out the tract > record on that radio. Thay are pushing the AM side realy > heavy also. Jim Smith > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 16 15:00:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80933 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 22:00:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 22:00:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 22:00:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 22:00:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 22:00:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:00:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <284044.28966.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.49.213 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sanean pr-d5 AM FM FM STEREO RDS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=GvEC1RFkoIDA6NwQapFt4ma0Xs6Ni5zfOK8bvKDhi13Rz1NnhGO2yNGvISdXUjf2evrFrLlB X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > >=20 > NO, IT DOES NOT HAVE AM STEREO.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Mon, 3/16/09, jimsmith95650@... wrote: > > Hi Gang Dose any one know any more than whats said in > > descriptions on this radio . What I read that its all so > > being marketed heavly in Japan. AM STEREO?!? Its analog > > only digatal tuning. It would be neat to find out the tract > > record on that radio. Thay are pushing the AM side realy > > heavy also. Jim Smith > > > Hi Powell Well thats a bummer. I guess though it can take a decoder board= . I hope it has at least good band width like the Sony SRF A 300. Jim Smith From w6yn@juno.com Mon Mar 16 15:08:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53226 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 22:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 22:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 22:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail20.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.160]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE57VQ8AHB6ZL2 for (sender ); Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:08:30 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2aBratN18nBlDgpriNwSNw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail20.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PBTCAF9W; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:07:49 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.243.175] by webmail20.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:07:30 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:07:30 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090316.150730.26924.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:2714884610 X-MAIL-INFO:5dde1a8b6e6e7a7be7eb6f7af713afaf9f9a8fe7fe47030e7b7b0eab3e0383776e8e2fbfba3733a7332eefba779fafbb571a9b77aff70797d3de1ade8ebedbda X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.160|webmail20.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sanean pr-d5 AM FM FM STEREO RDS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=t0runoOfc9lS2nkbRlsFAu1SsottHkmhNnTq8Vj8rA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Sangean PR-D5 ---------- Original Message ---------- From: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Sanean pr-d5 AM FM FM STEREO RDS Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:35:09 -0800 Hi Gang Dose any one know any more than whats said in descriptions on this = radio . What I read that its all so being marketed heavly in Japan. AM STER= EO?!? Its analog only digatal tuning. It would be neat to find out the tra= ct record on that radio. Thay are pushing the AM side realy heavy also. Ji= m Smith From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 17:31:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80563 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 00:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 00:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 00:31:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96030 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2009 00:31:16 -0000 Message-ID: <644792.94855.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: d5d77SAVM1nbNJwavVlMLlHWyZikvv4ZSv1KRGWrjWVJWkYINWnYvDnVtab3WrBV_xh8_50Ezdd37CMNV8BmY38g2QJqUmSsgDwBs3eWaYlnoCKjP4XuPyn3Vq6zBksGG5ESJv8K6BnI7OFzOrqNg68oCh0Xy9744U9aLwcZm4hYu0GZ7IwrKFtobqZc X-Received: from [70.109.215.42] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:31:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:31:16 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Processor question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=KtqL4mWmuvwj1anUBAJT8RmHA1Bp9VtUQ0kQeRwlNuPby0I87Nz7 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know if there's a cosmetic way of checking an Orban processor f= or stereo status WITHOUT opening it up?=A0 The specific model is a 9100B1/U= 10 & it has a separate bus for left & right with both sets of screw termina= ls intact. Thanks, Jay =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 17:43:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92524 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 00:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 00:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 00:42:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2009 00:42:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2009 00:42:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:42:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <705353.53153.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.174 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=EbkrMPDb5Vg54HOqYqROqKJ8YBPVlDFTE7i4POCo-e3WCFDUAg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thank you so much for the data!!! I already has the insulators in the base of my antenna. I just asked about because I'm almost ready to change all the installation = and I don't want to screw up something, so I want to be very, very, sure ab= out what I'll do. Even more, I don't see any reason to change something but the supporting wi= res. The tower looks good, the insulators look good, the RF current is good= , the SWR is good, the coverage area is more than the expected, so... the o= nly one visible issue are the supporting wires (guys). Whatever, I just wan= t to be ready to any contingency. Thank you so much for your time!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > >=20 > Juan, you'll need a special porcelin insulator that can both take the tow= er weight load and provide the electrical insulation required. > John > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 17:56:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87216 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 00:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 00:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 00:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2009 00:56:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2009 00:56:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:56:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <644792.94855.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.174 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Processor question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=p2dwBUEY_JBeuHfWkUwhuY2Xytu7eLnt0eMYe6CR4Kwi4LRsNw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 The easiest way I can figure out is: 1) Connect the unit to your stereo audio chain. 2) Listen it with the [PROOF] switch off (it is behind the front removable = pannel). 3) If it sounds stereo, it is good. If not... I don't know what to do. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > Does anyone know if there's a cosmetic way of checking an Orban processor= for stereo status WITHOUT opening it up?=A0 The specific model is a 9100B1= /U10 & it has a separate bus for left & right with both sets of screw termi= nals intact. >=20 > Thanks, > Jay >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 18:35:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27056 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 01:35:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 01:35:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 01:35:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11469 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2009 01:35:07 -0000 Message-ID: <657723.10961.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: zIUEm0kVM1k4wt4Qw0tUwuJZRLrg14VFUoaRAa8yPyHcdnVEoInnFZEFQnSnQxtTh_SEyCDjnSyDHSl2yHHPcztB9E.sZXTAg9ns8_3BPyLpkvGhuhRmpxkaiM44KSF0fr9Jn808BOnvX1lEHnhdrLRgqWbytCVe.y0BHzWIkTmrAzY7hxpSAOXGqYwxSxfVxgohAfWVmttO2GOZW3WW4kaqHOsFRBecr1FCxDZH X-Received: from [209.213.19.190] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:35:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:35:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Processor question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=wgmlzFkFh1lolAIbn62QfE3XlRHoCgavKv9Joldl840 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Or better yet email Bob Orban. Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 3/16/09, jotape1960 wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Processor question > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 8:56 PM > The easiest way I can figure out is: >=20 > 1) Connect the unit to your stereo audio chain. > 2) Listen it with the [PROOF] switch off (it is behind the > front removable pannel). > 3) If it sounds stereo, it is good. If not... I don't > know what to do. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR > wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if there's a cosmetic way of > checking an Orban processor for stereo status WITHOUT > opening it up? The specific model is a 9100B1/U10 & it > has a separate bus for left & right with both sets of > screw terminals intact. > >=20 > > Thanks, > > Jay > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups > Links >=20 >=20 >=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Mar 16 20:23:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31751 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 03:23:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 03:23:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f110.google.com) (209.85.221.110) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 03:23:01 -0000 X-Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so1872594qyk.25 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:22:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.15.10 with SMTP id i10mr6751816qaa.11.1237260175884; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.37.181.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.37.181.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm692556ywo.17.2009.03.16.20.22.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <644792.94855.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:22:49 -0400 References: <644792.94855.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.110 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processor question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=an3GoRvQo3LjRGYkOcWrQqECNm4g3O5kdQMI5AhGU0s9m_HN3e4rit1rjNcLSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 16, 2009, at 8:31 PM, JNR wrote: > Does anyone know if there's a cosmetic way of checking an Orban > processor for stereo status WITHOUT opening it up? Yes, open the front panel and if it has a knob that says "Stereo Enhance" or "Stereo Expand" It is the Stereo Model. It is easy to convert the Mono models of the 9100/A and 9100/B to Stereo with the addition of cards and a new front panel. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 00:15:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90086 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 07:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 07:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 07:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2009 07:15:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2009 07:15:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:15:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.125 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A question to Sotyris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=uhij_84h-OPi64d3MvYaCXL-s7XP_r1fnxHPhtY_jOrxTZBMNw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I wonder if the Sotyris's C-Quam exciter can be use (with some external RF = amplifier, I guess) with an standard AM TX (as "my" McMartin BA-2.5K). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Mar 17 07:28:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72779 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 14:28:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 14:28:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 14:28:32 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.144] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090317092817101646000010.0) with SMTP id <20090317092817101646000010> for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:28:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00cc01c9a70d$90c346e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:28:17 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=SWmQo23c1mQVX31eju3JISRehUKyXTHP4S0zmz8X7lYCvE-xXT5P X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I would highly recommend getting on a few of the broadcast engineering forums on the web. Introduce yourself, let them know you are from Chile so they'll know you might not have the resources those of us in the USA might have, and also let them know you're trying to learn some more engineering and folks will be glad to try teaching you. A couple of books you may want to obtain: Electronic Communications, third edition, by Robert L. Shrader. This one seems to be the gold standard when it comes to learning electronics. The other thing you'll want to get is any of the amateur radio handbooks authored by the late Bill Orr, W6SAI, NOT the ARRL handbooks as they assume some level of previous knowlege. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Mar 17 07:32:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1421 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 14:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 14:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 14:32:42 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.144] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090317093231102179700010.0) with SMTP id <20090317093231102179700010> for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:32:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e901c9a70e$2834cee0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20090305.074404.28036.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> <5374689E-9A03-4E2B-BF16-20D0A1E9A562@yahoo.com> <00c201c99f77$9b791c60$d503fea9@stodd> <116E37B6-83DA-4CAA-A4F9-3E7668EA6B04@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:32:31 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio is a dying medium? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=KVbWNRZxUT_9B18O_O9YG3IFnPaamd8Je6eYLrcfxGWRxpAPSiHo X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was thinking purely a C-QUAM list for our benefit, though I suppose there's no reason we couldn't compile a second list noting both. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > I'd be in favor of an up to date list. Who wants to compile it and > make it available? We already know of some that still are. Has > anyone been taking notes so we can at least start there? I am sure you are talking about C-QUAM because HD on MW is mostly in stereo. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Mar 17 07:39:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36998 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 14:39:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 14:39:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 14:39:00 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.144] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090317093845102948300010.0) with SMTP id <20090317093845102948300010> for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:38:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010001c9a70f$06fd9580$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:38:45 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} CRL AM stereo processors at Ebay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GpOiX3dwLFLVW3cdFbB6oZB7REsxTQ1Uq7ETumXEyvHHCa1NMTlx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes it did, though you could probably use any other processors ahead of it and it would still be able to do its job which is to limit single channel modulation. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:21 PM Just curious: I understand it is one part of the whole CRL set of processors to AM (it had 3 units), or am I wrong? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 08:11:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45288 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 15:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 15:11:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 15:11:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87395 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2009 15:11:50 -0000 Message-ID: <176671.86942.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OBIF5hkVM1mdrD8GLKLKA65rv6dgNPWO0Q9hIvOXMiz4sDOhCYcKqlle72UrZTESeu0hSzPR7bhBQg0AG0Rc9J31HFbuf6uTg2GK1Dhj0g4LNiCY1.YsyCIrZM5L8v_.2QrehnLpfJc_GaNzClAbBWoiWAp7_kr0zGwqlXeIcAi8Lg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:11:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:11:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Reply-To: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Subject: Lack of Stereo on HD-AM; Lack of PAD info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=UayUuVClsdUmrM30rUMxrJcR1bxcK4gXqq1weu6mKlhPySIcgXIF44E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kevin wrote: "...I am sure you are talking about C-QUAM because HD on MW is mostly in stereo..." Maybe where you live you might have stereo AM-HD, but every HD-AM station that I can receive here is in MONO. WJR, was the exception, but they turned their HD off, so now I can't hear a single one, even at night. Even Radio Disney 910 Detroit is in mono. In addition, all of the AM-HD's here are lazy and don't have dynamic PAD data either, with the exception of Radio Disney - they actually list the song titles and artists - so I'll have to hand it to them! Wonder if they could do a custom C-Quam system and send out minimal PAD info too? Didn't Magnavox AM stereo system have slow-speed data? I believe Leonard Kahn's CAM-D had data streams too. -John From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Mar 17 08:48:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20376 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 15:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 15:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.147) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 15:48:22 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so60521qwf.42 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:48:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.85.130 with SMTP id o2mr243340vcl.80.1237304901798; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.34.228.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.34.228.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33sm3953039yxr.47.2009.03.17.08.48.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <176671.86942.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:48:02 -0400 References: <176671.86942.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lack of Stereo on HD-AM; Lack of PAD info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=3v7EUwgTiZd_IW2224b7E6crPGwBuzorP6n9vj7G4u-M6ZJWWst47X--IG3gZg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 17, 2009, at 11:11 AM, John P. wrote: > Didn't Magnavox AM stereo system have slow-speed data? Yes, and it can be made C-QUAM decoder compatible as WOWO used to do. > I believe Leonard Kahn's CAM-D had data streams too. It does. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 09:01:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3215 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 16:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 16:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web84004.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.174) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 16:01:07 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9464 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2009 16:01:06 -0000 Message-ID: <914377.429.qm@web84004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: odG9clYVM1kNjg2718I4UI3kEMZaIP.hUOwtmPrnQjFCeLSNsdwO31FGNooN4Ko6rpAJLMc4yu_UoKKhMW56vRfBU.t_eRxAa5o9e4rhFPuUqW.EKVaQNl8vG0xxpOSbaK9ORQe9QF4ePW80Jx2XdT6gnlzpcMJHarp7IBuXETj72f9q_zgk_QyBNBraGcGfWcuVJvmldhlMA2j5_6FmNAO.TXZR X-Received: from [71.97.205.99] by web84004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:01:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:01:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <176671.86942.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Reply-To: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lack of Stereo on HD-AM; Lack of PAD info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=7V4J0VQeT0V89M3NgviXKtn_mWj7rjI7cNDIFfo5lF4blab_MlO6 X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, =A0 1) John is correct - the Magnavox system does have the capability of slow s= peed data simultaneously with full separation AM stereo.=A0 It was demonstr= ated to the local press around 1983 or so - I would have to look up the inf= ormation in my AM Stereo records if I did not already donate that piece of = the information to the Indiana Historical Society. =A0 2) CQUAM never demonstrated or even suggested the possibility of data on th= e pilot tone.=A0 It is my personal belief that data would prove damaging to= the stereo signal.=A0 CQUAM requires a synchronous detection system with a= phase locked loop at the receiver, and the data would disturb the stereo a= udio recovery (i.e. - the audio would be distorted by the data). =A0 2b) - The maganvox system could be detected either nonsynchronously or sync= hronously including both data and stereo audio.=A0 That was one of the orig= inal advantages of the proposed system.=A0 Digital tuning and the developen= t of synchronous detection acceptable to consumer use negated that advantag= e. =A0 3) The Kahn AM Stereo system never discussed slow speed data, and never dem= onstrated any data capability that I am aware of.=A0 If the truth be known,= the Kahn system (at least one implementation of it) is just the Magnavox s= ystem with a phase rotation of 90 degrees in the audio paths to create a si= ngle sideband AM stereo system (one channel on lower sideband, the other on= the upper sideband).=A0 Because of that fact, at least that implementation= would theoretically be capable of transmitting data along with the lower/u= pper sideband stereo audio. =A0 Bob Streeter --- On Tue, 3/17/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Lack of Stereo on HD-AM; Lack of PAD info To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 11:11 AM Kevin wrote: "...I am sure you are talking about C-QUAM because HD on MW is mostly in stereo..." Maybe where you live you might have stereo AM-HD, but every HD-AM station t= hat I can receive here is in MONO. WJR, was the exception, but they turned the= ir HD off, so now I can't hear a single one, even at night. Even Radio Disney 91= 0 Detroit is in mono. In addition, all of the AM-HD's here are lazy and don't have dynamic PAD data either, with the exception of Radio Disney - they actually list the song titles and artists - so I'll have to hand it to them! Wonder if they could do a custom C-Quam system and send out minimal PAD inf= o too? Didn't Magnavox AM stereo system have slow-speed data? I believe Leonard Kahn's CAM-D had data streams too. -John =20=20=20=20=20=20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Mar 17 09:10:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27306 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 16:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 16:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f124.google.com) (209.85.221.124) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 16:10:13 -0000 X-Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30so153572qyk.32 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:10:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.81.5 with SMTP id v5mr278810vck.103.1237306213128; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.34.228.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.34.228.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm171475yxs.16.2009.03.17.09.09.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <71EAB1C2-2590-4DE7-A7AC-6A93FD1E06A4@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <914377.429.qm@web84004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:09:46 -0400 References: <914377.429.qm@web84004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.124 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lack of Stereo on HD-AM; Lack of PAD info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=aNNMRr72Gvb24kkaiFbK17KM5x3fqfcQt9EtWVFwlxoYPQISuP-tetNHkfBx1A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 17, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Robert Streeter wrote: > The Kahn AM Stereo system never discussed slow speed data, and never > demonstrated any data capability that I am aware of. Right but the Digital Kahn CAM-D System has a data channel 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 09:22:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24664 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 16:22:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 16:22:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.178) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 16:22:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55311 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2009 16:22:13 -0000 Message-ID: <539302.54563.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dJDPFMoVM1l1YckiCwLyWCvt7sN0Q9.bxcs694SI.ACAYMmq7qmVelWSx5LOlwN6_vN3BLrV.fTiM2jHOAIWMTz5F8rNmuQV.tVsdm09rut6mljKFsdnWQtpF42ohSdKkpNenQASLDt98C3WG_TwYjCPuIQOVj3tG_nmYKGa5Yq4MvN.ObnzqDBTOtVmvXNW6jN9Xs2zT227iKM5JYPHaqyYjGWT X-Received: from [71.97.205.99] by web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:22:13 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:22:13 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Reply-To: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Audio from WOWO in 1992 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=-OWUQJq9-5_Pttbn9BvO1uBpCtypng3spJtEJdegkx-hHasZ4LW9 X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WOWO was always Maganvox - PMX AM Strereo, and used the special CRL audio p= rocessors for AM Stereo.=A0 These audio processors were not appreciated by = the other AM Stereo proponents, as they could drive the L or R audio levels= to full AM and PM modulation (i.e. full L+R and full L-R modulation simult= aneously on audio peaks).=A0 Other systems wanted to stop the L-R modulatio= n at about 70% for decoding reasons.=A0 WOWO never used CQUAM. =A0 Bob Streeter --- On Thu, 3/12/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Audio from WOWO in 1992 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 2:40 AM That's the same as on YouTube which the author imbedded. With that said,=20 that is a mighty fine signal from 460 miles away. I believe WOWO was one o= f the=20 first CQUAM AM stereo stations in the country. The author mentions the stereo difference information is in the sidebands. = =20 The fact is all AM information is in the sidebands, even in conventional AM= .=20=20 He also forgot about WLS. Mike ************** Need a job? Find employment help in your area.=20 (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=3Demployment_agencies&ncid=3De= mlcntusyelp00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Mar 17 10:26:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68489 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 17:26:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 17:26:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 17:26:59 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bdd.47d91ff0 (41812) for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:26:39 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lack of Stereo on HD-AM; Lack of PAD info X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=IMq5UVOd8uMCMIvK19hYh1hl2R4RzzEpyFAGzP8sqDFXbu3onl1I5PmubHs_H9Rs X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the CQUAM system, the 25 hz pilot tones serves no other purpose than to trigger the receiver's AMS circuitry. It bears no relation to anything in the rest of the signal. So I see no problem to using phase shift keying the pilot tone to transmit slow data. The same circuit could also remove the pilot tone from the individual L and R signals. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Mar 17 10:31:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51236 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 17:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 17:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 17:31:51 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.ca6.41075878 (41812) for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:30:51 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Audio from WOWO in 1992 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KTikEwpCJuXw5XcbPElROP2zZVRaRAvVW0x-uUrvZt0zTGMwZ6PGLhc37nEML7ua X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/17/2009 10:23:00 AM Central Standard Time, rdstreeter41@yahoo.com writes: > These audio processors were not appreciated by the other AM Stereo > proponents, as they could drive the L or R audio levels to full AM and PM modulation > (i.e. full L+R and full L-R modulation simultaneously on audio peaks). I am not certain in the Motorola C-QUAM system that is mathematically possible. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Mar 17 10:36:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37099 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 17:36:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 17:36:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 17:36:09 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c91.3a062b83 (41812) for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:35:59 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A question to Sotyris X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KaWKAF2EaNrE2NkWxm-zAQXwHKGznM7Owbmi4GhjeDZNXuQhR3EQC_BxvAkta8Ec X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I do not believe it can. The output must be linearly amplified. Your McMartin is most likely a high level Class C plate modulated transmitter. Class C amplifiers are not linear. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Mar 17 10:49:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40743 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 17:49:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 17:49:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 17:49:24 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c27.58b6b79e (39330) for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:49:08 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: McMartin BA-2.5K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=OlNNa-us72ecLfHUdmGBiThO9AhZ9pQj_OYKjxsb-VB0RZi26HZkhNgxXae1UVZq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just in case anyone is interested in seeing what this beast looks like inside and out, here is a link: http://www.meer.net/~ch-niday/AMR/McMartin-Xmtr.html I can make out the power transformer and choke. The grey enclosed transformer must be modulation transformer(???). It doesn't look large enough for the transmitter this size. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 15:47:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98543 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 22:46:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 22:46:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 22:46:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2009 19:40:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2009 19:40:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:40:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.130.190.150 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmission range? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=-oUVd_V9TkmG-GcTzqR0bQxCLthDzdiKGhk0rvn7_30 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi!!! >=20 > I wonder if the Sotyris's C-Quam exciter can be use (with some external R= F amplifier, I guess) with an standard AM TX (as "my" McMartin BA-2.5K). >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Juan=20 The ASMAX it can be used as an exciter for broadcast transmitters in many c= ases. The unit has the ability to use it with only the on carrier frequency= Quadrature (L-R) information at the RF OUT connection with a level that ca= n go up to 8V.=20 Also with an internal jumper setting we have, you can reroute the L+R audio= component at a seperate rear output and get it from there to drive the mod= ulator circuit of any Class final amplifier modulator. That output level ca= n give 1V at 10KOhm.=20 A DDS with an TCXO reference is the carrier frequency generator and the sam= e TCXO is working for the IQ baseband generation. So stability is not an is= sue. There is also a BFO adjustment available thru the keyboard menu, that = can shift +/- the carrier frequency in 0.5Hz steps, if needed.=20 However that is not the intended use of it.=20 It can be done and we have done it at a Telefunken 5KW MW transmitter.=20 But I don't have any clue what the Mc Martin BA-2.5 has as exciter board. I= 've read somewhere that they use a solid state exciter with crystals. If th= e exciter stage (oscillator board) can handle a 3-8V either pulses or sinus= , at some point of the circuitry, then it can be done.=20 If I can get more informations on the Mc Martin exciter/oscillator stages I= can be more positive or negative about it.=20 But to get a good AM Stereo signal on air, is not only the exciter to make = it right. Both amplification stages and antenna phasing/bandwidth are crit= ical.=20 Now, another thing is about extended coverage thru the CQUAM use...=20 Well, I'm an engineer and I should say "NO", based on theory.=20 But!!! I do have now (after almost 6 years working on AM stereo) some very = good experience with CQUAM broadcastings, and also with ISB.=20 Have test it with power levels from 20W up to 5KW and I tend to accept that= for some reason it does better than mono!!!=20 The same thing has been also noticed by some other friends of me (all of th= em are engineers in broadcast industry).=20 So I decided to run a specific test to get some idea what happens. I was th= inking that the AMS tuners misleading us, as they are really much better ra= dios than the commonly mono AM radios... That is mostly true, BUT NOT ALWAY= S THE TRUE FOR ALL AMS RADIOS!!! I do have some AMS car radios that a cheap= BLAUPUNKT canberra radio at my Smart for 2 car can make them look like jun= ks! So that is not the reason after all, as the AM Stereo station provides = the same results also at this mono car radio!=20 Second thaught was the Antenna used for transmitting the CQUAM signal. Sinc= e we did make it to work for AM Stereo we did it with a good bandwidth.=20 So we did try 3 different antenna types with 2 transmitters (1 mono & 1 CQU= AM) exactly set at the same output power level and tuned with specific lab = test instruments of $$$$.=20 Well, I can't say why, but CQUAM was there, when the mono started to go out= ! At specific test points with specific receivers (either standard mono or= CQUAM models) and using the same reception antenna with changeover at the = receivers input, the CQUAM (or should better say the AM Stereo transmission= ) was clearly better received!=20 Also I have to say that the AM stereo look to be more robust to interferenc= e than mono! This is something I have checked too many times, that I'm almo= st positive about it. At a case we did a test with a 100W CQUAM transmitter= working at a frequency that was also used by a 200KW transmitter from abou= t 1100km far. At night the 200KW signal made heavy interferences at a mono = 100W transmitter used here, making it almost unlistenable at specific place= s. I provided a 100W AMS transmitter and we did run a test. The interferenc= e was not so heavy at the AMS signal. Those conlusions of me are not of cou= rse, and cannot be considered at any case, as "scientific" based results. I= don't take them as 'proof' for something that provides a clue for "coverag= e benefits" from using AMS.=20 But I must admit that for some reason an AMS signal seems to cover better t= he range with a same power level monophonic transmitter! Not sure if I can = say that it does extend... the coverage, but I think (and not only me but a= lso some friends also) that it does make it better at least inside the cove= rage area, and that goes also for mono receivers, and not only for the ster= eo receivers (that they are mostly better designed).=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20=20 =20 =20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 17:34:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4844 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2009 00:33:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2009 00:33:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2009 00:33:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81210 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2009 00:33:55 -0000 Message-ID: <265684.79514.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Tbp39r0VM1ngC9HVEJDHvIJRLbPrfjrNTyIVfvWYXtZlXYyhIRqL2TEtgwscT069Oi15OOmSDH0n52HEnBsWn_IttHdqXReu_c7qQLjGCZ51SGLJo54dCeRk2YtXiXE6T03e4H2SruchFNS2d0hxlgogIy4pQUdKzNBqHENgD_fB663.qRvlpfcszDBKHK9pmtbJ15XMyzpg9BcRG19lemV8Clm8jOMfHUJ4I1XpCAmy20g- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:33:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:33:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Audio from WOWO in 1992 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ypFkiM7sTIeqqnXvYc31p02CALmYICynGnP0LKWCmT--SQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I think it can be done in theory only...real world decoders would go crazy = with it. G --- On Tue, 3/17/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Audio from WOWO in 1992 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 1:30 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > In a message dated 3/17/2009 10:23:00 AM > Central Standard Time,=20 >=20 > rdstreeter41@ > yahoo.com writes: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > These audio processors were not appreciated by the > other AM Stereo=20 >=20 > > proponents, as they could drive the L or R audio > levels to full AM and PM modulation=20 >=20 > > (i.e. full L+R and full L-R modulation > simultaneously on audio peaks).=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I am not certain in the Motorola C-QUAM system that is > mathematically=20 >=20 > possible. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************ ** >=20 > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for=20 >=20 > $10 or less. (http://food. > aol.com/frugal- feasts?ncid=3D emlcntusfood0000 0001) >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Mar 17 19:50:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72447 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2009 02:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2009 02:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2009 02:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bc5.4519bb31 (48552) for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:50:52 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Audio from WOWO in 1992 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=BTFvBZzxJesq_1kKGNDHp9LRzA7thdW-AUqDqqFsmjU7rk3qq4kY22xOtFL0wF84 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/17/2009 6:34:28 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > I think it can be done in theory only...real world decoders would go crazy > with it. G > I don't think it can even be done theoretically. The denominator in one of the defining expressions goes to zero. Incidentally, in your receiver concept it would come close to working. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 05:26:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27186 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2009 12:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2009 12:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2009 12:26:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14584 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2009 12:26:09 -0000 Message-ID: <855976.14340.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WJk2XbgVM1kJe8tt7bLec9nBQpUMFfvvqvt_obe3VakBqci7sO9lIzSZtzHKvKWDt3KAqi0zXGM2m8Obi60LRFXQdDSp4mrY_6VOIn0gpGp4L339Cqmw2MfVzd7ow4fAiTOu_GqXfIrs16lwKVtCecd72rwOnV_4akdFSRnn8uvKqg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:26:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.1.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:26:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Magnavox AM Stereo Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jl_6RImRb9PXnE2mO-770DK1oi2MB0WrKckmnmvtuid1zbCDgTdUwg8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Bob Streeter - thanks for visiting us here and sharing your info on the Magnavox system! When it was originally the approved AM stereo standard, I thought that was a good thing, mainly because I could see (North America) Philips / Magnavox building tons of AM stereo receivers to promote it, but AMS hardware from N.A. Philips never seemed to happen. John From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 10:52:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63543 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2009 17:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2009 17:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2009 17:52:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 17:51:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 17:51:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:51:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.65 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: McMartin BA-2.5K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=AD5MU9QgADADnHipUpggHB5-wt_N1DC_oB6rL0zDsYWYVKrHPA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 It's almost identically to "my" TX!!!!!!! There are some minimal difference in some items, but basically it's the sam= e. Whatever, you couldn't believe how it sounds here!!! Believe it or not, when I listen it with my Philips DC888 Car AM Stereo tun= er, or my Philips AW7301 Tabletop Radiorecorder, it sounds almost like any = FM station!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Just in case anyone is interested in seeing what this beast looks like in= side=20 > and out, here is a link: >=20 > http://www.meer.net/~ch-niday/AMR/McMartin-Xmtr.html >=20 > I can make out the power transformer and choke. The grey enclosed=20 > transformer must be modulation transformer(???). It doesn't look large e= nough for the=20 > transmitter this size. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for=20 > $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=3Demlcntusfood000000= 01) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 10:59:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52359 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2009 17:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2009 17:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2009 17:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 17:59:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 17:59:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:59:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.65 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmission range? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=OMnXH8mBVa9gKok6q0z8g5PB87ekB38Yv9IuxcR64XTeVxu-ng X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 It's good to know it could be possible!!! The McMartin BA-2.5K has a crystal RF exciter that provides around 15-25 Wt= s of RF carrier directly to the final 4-1000A power tubes. Remember, it is = plate modulated, so the audio get in from another "port". That's the reason I guess it is possible to use your unit, if I can full se= parate the pure RF quadrature signal (L-R) from the mono audio inside your = unit. The only one problem is how to raise that RF signal to reach 15-25 Wts that= "my" TX needs. Can you supply me some idea (schematic diagram) to my e-mail and estimated = price (all included) up to Chile? jotape1960@yahoo.com GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > > > Hi!!! > >=20 > > I wonder if the Sotyris's C-Quam exciter can be use (with some external= RF amplifier, I guess) with an standard AM TX (as "my" McMartin BA-2.5K). > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > >=20 > Hi Juan=20 >=20 > The ASMAX it can be used as an exciter for broadcast transmitters in many= cases. The unit has the ability to use it with only the on carrier frequen= cy Quadrature (L-R) information at the RF OUT connection with a level that = can go up to 8V.=20 > Also with an internal jumper setting we have, you can reroute the L+R aud= io component at a seperate rear output and get it from there to drive the m= odulator circuit of any Class final amplifier modulator. That output level = can give 1V at 10KOhm.=20 > A DDS with an TCXO reference is the carrier frequency generator and the s= ame TCXO is working for the IQ baseband generation. So stability is not an = issue. There is also a BFO adjustment available thru the keyboard menu, tha= t can shift +/- the carrier frequency in 0.5Hz steps, if needed.=20 >=20 > However that is not the intended use of it.=20 > It can be done and we have done it at a Telefunken 5KW MW transmitter.=20 > But I don't have any clue what the Mc Martin BA-2.5 has as exciter board.= I've read somewhere that they use a solid state exciter with crystals. If = the exciter stage (oscillator board) can handle a 3-8V either pulses or sin= us, at some point of the circuitry, then it can be done.=20 >=20 >=20 > If I can get more informations on the Mc Martin exciter/oscillator stages= I can be more positive or negative about it.=20 > But to get a good AM Stereo signal on air, is not only the exciter to mak= e it right. Both amplification stages and antenna phasing/bandwidth are cr= itical.=20 >=20 >=20 > Now, another thing is about extended coverage thru the CQUAM use...=20 >=20 > Well, I'm an engineer and I should say "NO", based on theory.=20 > But!!! I do have now (after almost 6 years working on AM stereo) some ver= y good experience with CQUAM broadcastings, and also with ISB.=20 > Have test it with power levels from 20W up to 5KW and I tend to accept th= at for some reason it does better than mono!!!=20 > The same thing has been also noticed by some other friends of me (all of = them are engineers in broadcast industry).=20 > So I decided to run a specific test to get some idea what happens. I was = thinking that the AMS tuners misleading us, as they are really much better = radios than the commonly mono AM radios... That is mostly true, BUT NOT ALW= AYS THE TRUE FOR ALL AMS RADIOS!!! I do have some AMS car radios that a che= ap BLAUPUNKT canberra radio at my Smart for 2 car can make them look like j= unks! So that is not the reason after all, as the AM Stereo station provide= s the same results also at this mono car radio!=20 >=20 > Second thaught was the Antenna used for transmitting the CQUAM signal. Si= nce we did make it to work for AM Stereo we did it with a good bandwidth.=20 > So we did try 3 different antenna types with 2 transmitters (1 mono & 1 C= QUAM) exactly set at the same output power level and tuned with specific la= b test instruments of $$$$.=20 > Well, I can't say why, but CQUAM was there, when the mono started to go o= ut! At specific test points with specific receivers (either standard mono = or CQUAM models) and using the same reception antenna with changeover at th= e receivers input, the CQUAM (or should better say the AM Stereo transmissi= on) was clearly better received!=20 > Also I have to say that the AM stereo look to be more robust to interfere= nce than mono! This is something I have checked too many times, that I'm al= most positive about it. At a case we did a test with a 100W CQUAM transmitt= er working at a frequency that was also used by a 200KW transmitter from ab= out 1100km far. At night the 200KW signal made heavy interferences at a mon= o 100W transmitter used here, making it almost unlistenable at specific pla= ces. I provided a 100W AMS transmitter and we did run a test. The interfere= nce was not so heavy at the AMS signal. Those conlusions of me are not of c= ourse, and cannot be considered at any case, as "scientific" based results.= I don't take them as 'proof' for something that provides a clue for "cover= age benefits" from using AMS.=20 >=20 > But I must admit that for some reason an AMS signal seems to cover better= the range with a same power level monophonic transmitter! Not sure if I ca= n say that it does extend... the coverage, but I think (and not only me but= also some friends also) that it does make it better at least inside the co= verage area, and that goes also for mono receivers, and not only for the st= ereo receivers (that they are mostly better designed).=20 >=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 11:03:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32363 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2009 18:03:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2009 18:03:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2009 18:03:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 18:03:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 18:03:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:03:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00cc01c9a70d$90c346e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.65 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Antenna issue X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=AJyIJsfwOSQzqR4v7YEquVUMzAIrnLNaDNa75k9gOwZbFOafDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thanks for your advices!!! I'll try to find that books. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > I would highly recommend getting on a few of the broadcast engineering fo= rums on the web. Introduce yourself, let them know you are from Chile so t= hey'll know you might not have the resources those of us in the USA might h= ave, and also let them know you're trying to learn some more engineering an= d folks will be glad to try teaching you. >=20 > A couple of books you may want to obtain: Electronic Communications, thi= rd edition, by Robert L. Shrader. This one seems to be the gold standard w= hen it comes to learning electronics. The other thing you'll want to get i= s any of the amateur radio handbooks authored by the late Bill Orr, W6SAI, = NOT the ARRL handbooks as they assume some level of previous knowlege.=20=20 >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 11:09:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76808 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2009 18:09:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2009 18:09:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2009 18:09:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 18:09:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 18:09:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:09:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.65 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmission range? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=NNmVBTKfFCENMDvkTkPX1jeNhlSa5bLb2ER2qifFTfUnE3K6Dg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I'm not an engineer. But, according to my HAM radio experience, I'm tempted to think it is a tra= nsmitter antenna issue. I wonder what'd happen if you compare a mono station with a wider antenna, = with a C-QUAM station with a narrow antenna. Both station with the same fin= al power, of course. This comparison must be tested with the same tuner or,= better, a field strenght meter. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > > > Hi!!! > >=20 > > I wonder if the Sotyris's C-Quam exciter can be use (with some external= RF amplifier, I guess) with an standard AM TX (as "my" McMartin BA-2.5K). > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > >=20 > Hi Juan=20 >=20 > The ASMAX it can be used as an exciter for broadcast transmitters in many= cases. The unit has the ability to use it with only the on carrier frequen= cy Quadrature (L-R) information at the RF OUT connection with a level that = can go up to 8V.=20 > Also with an internal jumper setting we have, you can reroute the L+R aud= io component at a seperate rear output and get it from there to drive the m= odulator circuit of any Class final amplifier modulator. That output level = can give 1V at 10KOhm.=20 > A DDS with an TCXO reference is the carrier frequency generator and the s= ame TCXO is working for the IQ baseband generation. So stability is not an = issue. There is also a BFO adjustment available thru the keyboard menu, tha= t can shift +/- the carrier frequency in 0.5Hz steps, if needed.=20 >=20 > However that is not the intended use of it.=20 > It can be done and we have done it at a Telefunken 5KW MW transmitter.=20 > But I don't have any clue what the Mc Martin BA-2.5 has as exciter board.= I've read somewhere that they use a solid state exciter with crystals. If = the exciter stage (oscillator board) can handle a 3-8V either pulses or sin= us, at some point of the circuitry, then it can be done.=20 >=20 >=20 > If I can get more informations on the Mc Martin exciter/oscillator stages= I can be more positive or negative about it.=20 > But to get a good AM Stereo signal on air, is not only the exciter to mak= e it right. Both amplification stages and antenna phasing/bandwidth are cr= itical.=20 >=20 >=20 > Now, another thing is about extended coverage thru the CQUAM use...=20 >=20 > Well, I'm an engineer and I should say "NO", based on theory.=20 > But!!! I do have now (after almost 6 years working on AM stereo) some ver= y good experience with CQUAM broadcastings, and also with ISB.=20 > Have test it with power levels from 20W up to 5KW and I tend to accept th= at for some reason it does better than mono!!!=20 > The same thing has been also noticed by some other friends of me (all of = them are engineers in broadcast industry).=20 > So I decided to run a specific test to get some idea what happens. I was = thinking that the AMS tuners misleading us, as they are really much better = radios than the commonly mono AM radios... That is mostly true, BUT NOT ALW= AYS THE TRUE FOR ALL AMS RADIOS!!! I do have some AMS car radios that a che= ap BLAUPUNKT canberra radio at my Smart for 2 car can make them look like j= unks! So that is not the reason after all, as the AM Stereo station provide= s the same results also at this mono car radio!=20 >=20 > Second thaught was the Antenna used for transmitting the CQUAM signal. Si= nce we did make it to work for AM Stereo we did it with a good bandwidth.=20 > So we did try 3 different antenna types with 2 transmitters (1 mono & 1 C= QUAM) exactly set at the same output power level and tuned with specific la= b test instruments of $$$$.=20 > Well, I can't say why, but CQUAM was there, when the mono started to go o= ut! At specific test points with specific receivers (either standard mono = or CQUAM models) and using the same reception antenna with changeover at th= e receivers input, the CQUAM (or should better say the AM Stereo transmissi= on) was clearly better received!=20 > Also I have to say that the AM stereo look to be more robust to interfere= nce than mono! This is something I have checked too many times, that I'm al= most positive about it. At a case we did a test with a 100W CQUAM transmitt= er working at a frequency that was also used by a 200KW transmitter from ab= out 1100km far. At night the 200KW signal made heavy interferences at a mon= o 100W transmitter used here, making it almost unlistenable at specific pla= ces. I provided a 100W AMS transmitter and we did run a test. The interfere= nce was not so heavy at the AMS signal. Those conlusions of me are not of c= ourse, and cannot be considered at any case, as "scientific" based results.= I don't take them as 'proof' for something that provides a clue for "cover= age benefits" from using AMS.=20 >=20 > But I must admit that for some reason an AMS signal seems to cover better= the range with a same power level monophonic transmitter! Not sure if I ca= n say that it does extend... the coverage, but I think (and not only me but= also some friends also) that it does make it better at least inside the co= verage area, and that goes also for mono receivers, and not only for the st= ereo receivers (that they are mostly better designed).=20 >=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 11:24:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94056 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2009 18:24:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2009 18:24:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2009 18:24:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 18:24:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 18:24:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:24:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.65 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: McMartin BA-2.5K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=HIojOrZJkDe26VN0x23pVxUz79LcZXowWZJKoEUmmcz9FXeDKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I'll try to upload the basic schematic diagram. But the only one copy I hav= e it is very damage. If somebody knows how to get a better copy, I'll appre= ciate it too much. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > It's almost identically to "my" TX!!!!!!! >=20 > There are some minimal difference in some items, but basically it's the s= ame. >=20 > Whatever, you couldn't believe how it sounds here!!! >=20 > Believe it or not, when I listen it with my Philips DC888 Car AM Stereo t= uner, or my Philips AW7301 Tabletop Radiorecorder, it sounds almost like an= y FM station!!!!!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@ wrote: > > > > Just in case anyone is interested in seeing what this beast looks like = inside=20 > > and out, here is a link: > >=20 > > http://www.meer.net/~ch-niday/AMR/McMartin-Xmtr.html > >=20 > > I can make out the power transformer and choke. The grey enclosed=20 > > transformer must be modulation transformer(???). It doesn't look large= enough for the=20 > > transmitter this size. > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > > ************** > > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for=20 > > $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=3Demlcntusfood0000= 0001) > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 18 12:31:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34898 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2009 19:31:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2009 19:31:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2009 19:31:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c09.58775be3 (48624) for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:31:19 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmission range? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=LNgiuYJb_T81JIqzo9D4mtZ5R_Md5SKvfoc-_NYWn8_W_f63lUykr0spFjjRX8Vt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Here in the U.S., licensed stations must provide antenna performance data. There are usually many smaller stations Class II, III, or IV stations on the same or nearly the same frequency using a variety of antenna heights and configurations. With this data, you can compare actual performance. When a CQUAM station would have greater range, if not explainable at the receiver end, is a mystery. If anyone could objectively prove this, you would have stations all over the country turning on their AMS exciters. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 18 12:36:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20769 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2009 19:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2009 19:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2009 19:36:02 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c18.500d9b0a (48624) for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:35:44 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmission range? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=uquW3__jum32iOJ5xTpyh3V57d9NxuCX3uXZyHxVKD9qQgD20RnRra0uXsp-NM8W X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One thing that may be necessary in doing CQUAM on a plate modulated transmitter is a phase delay adjustment to align the audio and RF sections as the signal paths are much different. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 15:26:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66160 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2009 22:26:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 18 Mar 2009 22:26:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2009 22:26:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28066 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2009 22:26:38 -0000 Message-ID: <822910.27253.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FjSmng0VM1lEjZPyjBBDgUdlVFUZ1VFvxgMe2gqEjDdqUAjz9WCxCqJObVIejpbPfjR8QRh44j0z.N15ObR3xo2laH8g1FcioqGwr1KmxcnxYvRgIRqnyxrN5JKmk69TrfIa4mUQqeHC48F7i2K6f5PsfvUxRJ1NJnRLmmLKI3FQBHgKEA89nc1Vrrf54EmJhCF19FUPmQW7zjT_EpZ_bC1rIT7rb0fW9yz3F0yWKSRX7nc- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:26:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:26:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Audio from WOWO in 1992 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=mTP3iHyW9RHahgpqBqdBV1WPBvCTwE9P_U-Gh-bGkHHHZw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 OK, you caught me, Mike! I must admit, at the time I came up with that con= cept, STEREO was in my mind, and I figured it might do as good a job with C= -QUAM as anything else, but I REALLY wondered what it might do with PMX...p= robably a decent job of that, too? Yeah, call me a die-hard Magnavox fan, c= uz I AM! George=20=20 --- On Tue, 3/17/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Stereo Audio from WOWO in 1992 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 10:50 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > In a message dated 3/17/2009 6:34:28 PM > Central Standard Time,=20 >=20 > wlx1430@yahoo. > com writes: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > I think it can be done in theory only...real world > decoders would go crazy=20 >=20 > > with it. G >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I don't think it can even be done theoretically. The > denominator in one of=20 >=20 > the defining expressions goes to zero. Incidentally, in > your receiver concept=20 >=20 > it would come close to working. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************ ** >=20 > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for=20 >=20 > $10 or less. (http://food. > aol.com/frugal- feasts?ncid=3D emlcntusfood0000 0001) >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Mar 18 17:18:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96109 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 00:18:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 00:18:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 00:18:30 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.137] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090318191808101143200011.0) with SMTP id <20090318191808101143200011> for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:18:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008301c9a829$230ab6c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:18:08 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmission range? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=l-BWnlX_jopq-37zq9LAR6Y0tBZXzVDnPN0Bx1uhUHl0h6DqYKbg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't have the diagram in front of me but I'd be surprised if there weren't a buffer and a few driver stages before the PA tubes. IIRC this thing has two oscillators and you could remove the second crystal (if it has one) and feed the exciter there. You might have to disconnect one end of a feedback capacitor in that second oscillator section. Also, Mike made a great point in that you'll likely have to have some way of delaying either the L+R or L-R for them to match since the signal paths may be of different enough length to affect the stereo separation. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The only one problem is how to raise that RF signal to reach 15-25 Wts that "my" TX needs. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 18 22:04:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31137 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 05:00:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 05:00:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.210) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 05:00:43 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cd0.3aceb8c2 (30738) for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:00:21 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmission range? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pBsvW5BZQTAe6H42SZUHtm4UhEv2V4ztH0GZTuoKXdBp_tFx2wM1J8gSKrIshXwu X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I am admittedly not familar with McMartin, but it appears to be one of the later hybrids. That is, it is all solid state except for the final and modulator tubes. The driver for the finals is most likely fairly simple, but as Scott mentions, it is almost certainly more than a single stage. The crystal oscillator is most likely bufferred to prevent "pulling". There are manuals on the Web, but they're around $100. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 18 22:07:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 581 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 05:06:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 05:06:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 05:06:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cce.49e11afa (30738) for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:06:17 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin BA-2.5K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=UobM6FxGw-w6JtPw8V8IqnPSw6BUDdqm48M38X-Y73osvhocM13CJbGepU2-amk9 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, No doubt the modulator is push-pull. Is the RF final push-pull or parallel? Just wondering. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Mar 18 22:17:54 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5525 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 05:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 05:15:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n64d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.89) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 05:15:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1237439745; bh=PaTNyV31wKWMsdKHU6OQjVZYXHym+WtKC3I2/hptgwY=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tJZ54bOLah+oa788ijfOteVbsZ0OP/lwk8IkavnckrUIcDfiAA/emOg+9tzAMPdSdSBKtjc7MFThZGUbggSl7Qf+tZGecuQg27IVG78I71fLAiYZ89/ty1pygsSCIm5B Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n64.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 05:15:45 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 05:15:45 -0000 Date: 19 Mar 2009 05:15:43 -0000 Message-ID: <1237439743.15676.92120.w4@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /McMartin BA-2·5K 1.jpg Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : McMartin BA-2.5K main schematic, part A You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/McMartin%20BA-2%80%A0%A0%B75K%201.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, jotape1960 From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Mar 18 22:18:17 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11898 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 05:16:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 05:16:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n49d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.175) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 05:16:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1237439782; bh=FVI5g/4/eplr+c8ZV75TSHR+TIcGmxRm3VzjMqznJQA=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZaStSz14q3oewbTw2QIL9BiNLWqnWI0xH/vKmI88JIgSLZGWhKainM/8tiFVJyfNwPi2OvmlPHUuhlTwgluT5hBUKJn5mxueZ5cXNCUe8oCBqRTH/fDCphdlgrCtJrUb Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 05:16:22 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 05:16:22 -0000 Date: 19 Mar 2009 05:16:20 -0000 Message-ID: <1237439780.10519.36570.w6@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /McMartin BA-2·5K 2.jpg Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : McMartin BA-2.5K main schematic, part B You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/McMartin%20BA-2%80%A0%A0%B75K%202.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, jotape1960 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 22:25:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92385 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 05:23:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 05:23:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 05:23:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 05:23:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 05:23:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:23:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.115 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmission range? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=e7sKzBGUVTnHcPGJ2nP_wF69UEfoe55ldHXBjGg5SDf7R4cdhw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Oops!!! It is a very major issue to me. But, I'm a very stubborn man so... I'll try anyway, hahahahaha!!! By the way, I uploaded the McMartin BA-2.5K main schematic. It isn't good b= ut it is... legible (there is a central missing part because it is broken, = but... we can figure out the lost part). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > One thing that may be necessary in doing CQUAM on a plate modulated=20 > transmitter is a phase delay adjustment to align the audio and RF section= s as the=20 > signal paths are much different. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for=20 > $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=3Demlcntusfood000000= 01) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 22:38:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38642 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 05:37:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 05:37:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 05:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 05:37:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 05:37:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:37:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008301c9a829$230ab6c0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.115 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmission range? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=cZyyw0pHKZcPa7KWcsk46bJQg3M7ymtm36-idRdAQb2vdsYKng X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I catch your idea: to replace the crystal signal with the Sotyris circuit. It would be perfect, if it was not because a "minor" thing: McMartin crysta= ls work with twice the final carrier frecuency. In my case: the crystal giv= es 2520 KHZ. There is an IC who makes the "magic" work and divided it by tw= o, leaving the final 1260 KHZ. Now, I'm not sure if I could insert the Sotyris signal after that IC (becau= se the next step from there, in the exciter circuit, is just the RF amplifi= er to raise the carrier to the 25-35 Wts level). Whatever, the delay issue is something great and absolutely out of my knowl= edge. Anyway, I know there isn't any C-QUAM tuner but mine, here, so... nobody wi= ll hear any problem, hahahahahahaha!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I don't have the diagram in front of me but I'd be surprised if there wer= en't a buffer and a few driver stages before the PA tubes. IIRC this thing= has two oscillators and you could remove the second crystal (if it has one= ) and feed the exciter there. You might have to disconnect one end of a fe= edback capacitor in that second oscillator section. >=20 > Also, Mike made a great point in that you'll likely have to have some way= of delaying either the L+R or L-R for them to match since the signal paths= may be of different enough length to affect the stereo separation. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jotape1960=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20 > The only one problem is how to raise that RF signal to reach 15-25 Wts = that "my" TX needs.=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 22:39:31 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31389;u=;t=1237441200;m=401764082;s=727532148; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 22:46:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20416 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 05:45:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 05:45:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 05:45:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 05:45:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 05:45:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 05:45:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.115 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin BA-2.5K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ZML14KFqz5pyOD0OCfENAEk0klc3MG7o6UO7_qsW21WY0C2jRA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Modulators are push-pull. RF finals are in parallel mode (with an extra scr= een to control the final power). Please, see the main schematic files that = I uploaded and correct me if I'm wrong. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > No doubt the modulator is push-pull. Is the RF final push-pull or parall= el? >=20 > Just wondering. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for=20 > $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=3Demlcntusfood000000= 01) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 18 23:12:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39677 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 06:12:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 06:12:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 06:12:35 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d1a.3c6b120d (30738) for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:12:30 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin BA-2.5K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vWoyr7BgyEkOsrUrl4nBkrAkqc8X7S-CARU88fUJEB0B-6DdxxBs-KCr0ly_3xVa X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/18/2009 11:46:42 PM Central Standard Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > Modulators are push-pull. RF finals are in parallel mode (with an extra > screen to control the final power). That's what I thought. Push-pull RF finals are somewhat rare because of the complications. Actually, a tetrode cannot be purely plate modulated. The screen grid must also be modulated. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 23:29:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9724 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 06:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 06:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 06:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 06:29:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 06:29:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:28:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.115 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin BA-2.5K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=IgS1bFmBOeoye98Wd8qTRmfsHdO8lQ5HBlwPXMhpDAuA3RGizw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Can you explain me more about "the screen grid must also be modulated", ple= ase? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/18/2009 11:46:42 PM Central Standard Time,=20 > jotape1960@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Modulators are push-pull. RF finals are in parallel mode (with an extra= =20 > > screen to control the final power).=20 >=20 >=20 > That's what I thought. Push-pull RF finals are somewhat rare because of = the=20 > complications. Actually, a tetrode cannot be purely plate modulated. Th= e=20 > screen grid must also be modulated. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or=20 > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=3Demlcntusfood00000001) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 04:19:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16903 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 11:18:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 11:18:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 11:18:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 11:18:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 11:18:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:18:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.29 From: "jotape1960" Subject: If somebody wants to know X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Q3iKtAP_KEFpWdKGf7g1pkRpDbE8-dqiiOa1TuXj6twnMwCaiw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! If somebody wants to know about a very "modern" software that try to imitat= e a very old thing, just click on the following address: http://www.ikmultimedia.com/Main.html?MainPage.php Look for the T-RackS Deluxe product. There you'll find a lot of vintage processors emulated by the modern digita= l technology. You need a today monster PC, because it needs a lot of machine resources, a= nd a very great pocket (full of money), because it isn't a cheap product. Just a curiosity. By the way, I knew one of those vintage things, the Fairchild 670. It was u= sed by one of the "heavy weight" FM Stereo station from Santiago (Chilean n= ation capital city), in the early 1970's decade. I remember a very nice sou= nd, but not better than the Orban Optimod-FM 8100A. Please, it is just a pe= rsonal opinion (everybody knows some very good device can works too bad if = it is set with wrong parameters; I'm only speaking about an specific case, = nothing more). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Mar 19 09:00:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32724 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 15:21:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 15:21:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 15:21:27 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.91] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090319102114101971800017.0) with SMTP id <20090319102114101971800017> for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:21:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003a01c9a8a7$4da60320$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:21:14 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin BA-2.5K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=cysk2edjNNjfLQJqrbZ7huCnIUdvM3nz4zdCcnlhuq_jBUax2dpN X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not that difficult, really. If it isn't done then the tetrode will not be operating in a linear portion of it's range, especially on negative peaks. It also helps on positive peaks as a slight increase in screen voltage will increase the amount of plate current that much more, allowing it to reach maximum modulation more easily. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Can you explain me more about "the screen grid must also be modulated", please? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Mar 19 09:03:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17547 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 15:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 15:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 15:24:10 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d5d.359fb17a (29673) for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:24:06 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin BA-2.5K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cq-T0tyFeYwD1L8RTSy3VTJb0aM1YYiTsLfYrik487YFLtjj0S4Jsmu6HvurxmbO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/19/2009 12:29:14 AM Central Standard Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > Can you explain me more about "the screen grid must also be modulated", > please? The McMartin uses power tetrodes as the RF final. Tetrodes have both a screen grid as well as a control grid. Tetrodes have an advantage over triodes (which have only a control grid) in that the screen grid greatly diminishes the plate to control grid capacitance so the RF amplifier does not require neutralization. The plate current in a tetrode is more or less independent of the plate voltage. So modulating just the plate voltage will produce little or no modulation of the plate current and what it does produce is very non-linear. The tetrode plate current is a function of the screen voltage. So the accepted practice is to modulate both the plate and screen grid voltages. The modulated screen grid voltage can be derived from modulated plate voltage or from a seperate supply and tap on the modulation transformer. There are some transmitters that modulate ONLY the screen grid. The advantage is that it requires alot less modulator power. A conventionally plate modulated 50 kW transmitter requires a modulator with a 35,000 watt output. This disadvantage is screen grid modulation is not as linear as combined plate and screen modulation. Your two schematics have a gap in middle, so I can't tell how the screen grid supplies and modulation are derived. The McMartin looks like a classic design with solid state components except for the final RF amplifier and modulator. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 12:40:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90059 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 18:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 18:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 18:49:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 18:49:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 18:49:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:49:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.76 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin BA-2.5K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=w39NcGyiIug8UOdWgsVjX_VZnuPOstVA6hIahyHrJ4dOlVWiAw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Don't worry!!! I spoke with a friend from another AM station in Chill=E1n, 200 kms to the = south of my city. They have the same TX and they have a better copy of the = circuit. He'll send me the copy by e-mail, so I hope to uploaded it soon. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/19/2009 12:29:14 AM Central Standard Time,=20 > jotape1960@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Can you explain me more about "the screen grid must also be modulated",= =20 > > please? >=20 > The McMartin uses power tetrodes as the RF final. Tetrodes have both a=20 > screen grid as well as a control grid. Tetrodes have an advantage over t= riodes=20 > (which have only a control grid) in that the screen grid greatly diminish= es the=20 > plate to control grid capacitance so the RF amplifier does not require=20 > neutralization. >=20 > The plate current in a tetrode is more or less independent of the plate=20 > voltage. So modulating just the plate voltage will produce little or no = modulation=20 > of the plate current and what it does produce is very non-linear. The=20 > tetrode plate current is a function of the screen voltage. So the accept= ed practice=20 > is to modulate both the plate and screen grid voltages. The modulated sc= reen=20 > grid voltage can be derived from modulated plate voltage or from a sepera= te=20 > supply and tap on the modulation transformer. >=20 > There are some transmitters that modulate ONLY the screen grid. The=20 > advantage is that it requires alot less modulator power. A conventionall= y plate=20 > modulated 50 kW transmitter requires a modulator with a 35,000 watt outpu= t. This=20 > disadvantage is screen grid modulation is not as linear as combined plate= and=20 > screen modulation. >=20 > Your two schematics have a gap in middle, so I can't tell how the screen = grid=20 > supplies and modulation are derived. >=20 > The McMartin looks like a classic design with solid state components exce= pt=20 > for the final RF amplifier and modulator. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for=20 > $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=3Demlcntusfood000000= 01) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From help_sa2006@yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 13:13:08 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31397;u=;t=1237513983;m=680048517;s=5851015; From help_sa2006@yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 13:53:58 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31398;u=;t=1237513988;m=1156008239;s=1975355711; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 19 17:50:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76067 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2009 21:34:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2009 21:34:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2009 21:34:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 21:34:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2009 21:34:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:34:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.52.192 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: {AMSF} Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmission range? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=iaxOKvYgEgFb5r3G5d_iZh737XhrrAM-lDI_oRMgXCwDrssAF66-A-4P9LjCOBZIsKPo4ZWU X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > I catch your idea: to replace the crystal signal with the Sotyris circuit= . >=20 > It would be perfect, if it was not because a "minor" thing: McMartin crys= tals work with twice the final carrier frecuency. In my case: the crystal g= ives 2520 KHZ. There is an IC who makes the "magic" work and divided it by = two, leaving the final 1260 KHZ. >=20 > Now, I'm not sure if I could insert the Sotyris signal after that IC (bec= ause the next step from there, in the exciter circuit, is just the RF ampli= fier to raise the carrier to the 25-35 Wts level). >=20 > Whatever, the delay issue is something great and absolutely out of my kno= wledge. >=20 > Anyway, I know there isn't any C-QUAM tuner but mine, here, so... nobody = will hear any problem, hahahahahahaha!!!!!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > I don't have the diagram in front of me but I'd be surprised if there w= eren't a buffer and a few driver stages before the PA tubes. IIRC this thi= ng has two oscillators and you could remove the second crystal (if it has o= ne) and feed the exciter there. You might have to disconnect one end of a = feedback capacitor in that second oscillator section. > >=20 > > Also, Mike made a great point in that you'll likely have to have some w= ay of delaying either the L+R or L-R for them to match since the signal pat= hs may be of different enough length to affect the stereo separation. > >=20 > > Scott Todd > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: jotape1960=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > >=20 > > The only one problem is how to raise that RF signal to reach 15-25 Wt= s that "my" TX needs.=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfam= ily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Jaun Umless you buy some C-QuAM radios for your listeners. Jim Smith From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 19:38:22 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54011 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 01:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1237514019; bh=xFb+FiUaOHpBkdp4XSiDJAMoZ5Kp9CNctGM5AR/xlrQ=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=QsnrncBkoBz41TWrOvZn3MEY5EiEttoRdgMkKY8Y2pM+TQzxvB8WOHAAkHMh0g8YliBAMx/NXnVpCcMnkLQaMpK9yqpJ/LU8kAPdt9tTPzoBh5jZAQIvUmeJwqPSDAtV Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:39 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:39 -0000 X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32877 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 20:01:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 20:01:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.210) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 20:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n11.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 20:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.66] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 20:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 20:01:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 516115.96228.bm@omp418.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 48156 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 20:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp123.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 20:01:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3KOCuyoVM1n38umwqtyWagsJWNnAX8l2nL5dJ1rPWP5EAAlUk.dG4d_iHWg7RStXVyfF468AgqBkMDudYmloI1Zv3LwujI2IFkTpolFSAAP0BK_Ch1hwRboNDf8nmkJEahfXLZxYq6OHaEZUcNk18OtCc9Ie7c.je6xPT6nfmXRdSxiBqgA5bcId72OKx.nPb01uUVxEtPKgWBLAUKgV2Io.rQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:01:20 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-QUAM extends your transmission range X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=EZ_DHNqLuVOWLfop-JqxNZL4hSX_2L-WiDHPChPUm9DQJywr-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:38 -0000 95% of them do not believe it. Michael J. Richard at KEVA 1240 is a believer though with people hearing KEVA in Canada, Maryland and New Jersey after putting C-QUAM on the station he operates from Wyoming. Most think that C-QUAM is like FM stereo where it cuts down the transmitting range. Kevin On Mar 16, 2009, at 2:51 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Have you thought of sharing your observations with the CE's of any > of those > stations? From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 19:39:40 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64014 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 01:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 01:54:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.133) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 01:54:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1237514078; bh=JhMty5Yle+tpX2QFHhuT4SRlfjSZwh+lEMQtpmgPIUY=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:X-Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Reply-To:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=MoLpdNGMfoa6RohmVEGLHgZEa4K3N77m1V6+/tbKy27wfoGtJPmagN1ztZqY4VfDiwnZjVK9sxqZy4Re2SuziNnfxYO1zDF+wGJNgxpm9cOo9eVwuDH9DI0qqSp3Btt4 Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 01:54:38 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 01:54:38 -0000 X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58820 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 12:20:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 12:20:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 12:20:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29767 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2009 12:20:47 -0000 Message-ID: <539281.28800.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UMKFrXMVM1m5PoUSc9Twb5TWUw5fyik1eJaoM_DvQ__2wCTCCEIzQx64o7f.LdykDatqf2NhpNQOrCfYVjaPaazvs4HbkaMPKxbk1wWmK2e5z6.7f4tDZPRD3f88ECooUu7s8Wm3CYqy7VTS6g4DLPMZ22mu0jV7K02Ju2pN9MqWxR.9GYdLKbESa2evalN75bWDpZY7M8YT.NHGQU_g4dATSlVtMmQvh1OJMOlqjxq9ke4h1ufx4ho. X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:20:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:20:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processor question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=hvBKron9xNFVLBPiu3Dh3Jx2PohptEy4k7QbQXHsy3l_ZsjlrojY X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Mar 2009 01:54:36 -0000 That's the problem: I dunno where the key to open up the panel is.=A0 Also,= it's the main processor so I can't take it off-line. Jay --- On Mon, 3/16/09, KJ4HYD wrote: From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processor question To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 11:22 PM =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 On Mar 16, 2009, at 8:31 PM, JNR wrote: > Does anyone know if there's a cosmetic way of checking an Orban=20=20 > processor for stereo status WITHOUT opening it up? Yes, open the front panel and if it has a knob that says "Stereo=20=20 Enhance" or "Stereo Expand" It is the Stereo Model. It is easy to=20=20 convert the Mono models of the 9100/A and 9100/B to Stereo with the=20=20 addition of cards and a new front panel. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 20:10:18 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73849 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 01:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 01:54:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n47a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.141) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 01:54:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1237514036; bh=Cq9SupQlcAMq0GwG8edvpEPLT+jYLQ2ZQ6VlERAOmHQ=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=FRNNuXQCsHYGolJyybKyySr4YQrhe0maQXsH/8bua6kmQWEx+yrxVEllyyy3sXSSu/XrqUuGLmE425FYa0hk7tE5xr2oEWqRDm/vN101r+o6iOakQQmG/zH6LuVd8YUP Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n47.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:56 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:56 -0000 X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97440 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2009 20:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2009 20:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2009 20:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 20:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.72] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 20:49:19 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2009 20:49:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 60902.85893.bm@omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 13638 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2009 20:49:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.209.203 with plain) by smtp113.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2009 20:49:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vbfccaoVM1nsdwy7CqCKXT5GwXyXDkb5NoD9FuFRQwoapPedr6ZeZHZeGQg9cPcUTI4A91BVUtrCxv21qfqTjiF_TlBly8gET9U6kEEfOOKGAIoaRSaODt2Vv6KYPdz7kvHVil_o0lY0ngJfXdJAzr5I0_LB7aj4iOPowgb0.4I6oK7H2wZ3TJOwvQJc3pTsGDX6mW6fnyUDYzXZMlxWv1YshBWUUA0hepuC.vPv87pXgbJVQA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <49FD1AA6-E42C-4D2B-9FE6-035665B1852E@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:49:17 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: ABDX presents the 1480 WSAR DX test! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Cp2uDK2OZHBhF-7GjywVjtgOMfOZwS1Kv6kSbLXcbTH71m-b8A X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:56 -0000 ABDX presents the 1480 WSAR DX test! Jay Rogers tells me: I've finalized it with our engineer & will load it in to the computer Thursday. WSAR will be conducting a DX test this Sunday 3/22 from 2-3:00 E.D.T./06:00-07:00 G.M.T.. There will be the announcements, the station ID in Morse Code, sweep tones, train whistles, etc. (including a jingle). Please send reception reports to production@wsar.com or via mail to: WSAR 1 Home St. Somerset, Ma. 02725 U.S.A. WSAR is mono; 5kW DA-U using 2 towers. Most likely our sister 1kW class C station: WHTB/1400 will be doing the same test the following week @ the same time. Good DX & sorry about the short notice as it was finalized yesterday. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Thu Mar 19 20:34:36 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22491 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 01:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:31 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1237514010; bh=YiaKk/Cah9jQ5oB7mM9ZiUtWmQ2pGTMEaHLu4wgC5sQ=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=UPkbJHNRwmA4OXMQF0/UlH9VKAgD3rlGQNkKd4uGRmZaDxNhpi+uSRbPjDqffC+YOjMsT51iHUbufIQJxiiSxU1wCMMXG+6+YbtPK+BO9v1fBDa8ydZbPK7wNxsjIkAS Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:30 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:30 -0000 X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58523 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 17:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2009 17:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.125.210) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 17:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n11.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 17:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.244] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 17:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp405.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2009 17:54:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 257222.21327.bm@omp405.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 5943 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2009 17:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.192 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2009 17:54:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fsjJT6gVM1luITm4bxHG3dQy9IfFxPfEw5V5ADwVXmPl7yk29kHUOeNWxPq5TZrRiUrgwQE6Qd_XWe552MrhSf5cji.B41p4etEu4shiVBW0iSr33nmpIoiduUc0i.oy0fyOHggslNULHBFpTI2PTATxGvx.4A2Reab9dTqylzrm2OTYQ0P62W3Go2o- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <594488.81936.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <594488.81936.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:54:21 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.125.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was GE now RCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=dqciV-vYjjDHRNzpHe7rZ0s4w66Pf40A9A1eOZFsx49WTKkzyA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:29 -0000 RCA SR IIIs suck. They are what industry does best. They make a great product and keep making it cheaper until they ruin a great thing. Kevin On Mar 16, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > That has also been discontinued. The RCA ones are *ALL* defective. > They use too cheap a pot for the electronic tuning and the radio > just is too unstable to use. I have 2. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Thu Mar 19 20:38:11 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28620 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 01:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n60d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.85) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1237514031; bh=hhKsLkuVUAK/xZ+PIRfhFFMvP+IsMw8tSIQtajQxKpg=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=smrrHaDGqxRPWC1WRJkW7mZUkmLz86pwS3Lq5ZmtPS266KgBFIJ2WommZ9VwDFB6qMG2sNg3/V5teHCJN+lO/E6o2F0+Er5R7nSW8gC5eY+TIE7UaCKbCX+dJe871sYx Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n60.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:51 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:51 -0000 X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69816 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2009 13:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2009 13:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2009 13:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2009 13:32:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2009 13:32:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 13:32:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090316.150730.26924.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.149.16.45 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: Sanean pr-d5 AM FM FM STEREO RDS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=xt9aMfJlIxx-8q106XP9Th_iDoo4Vn5gHwAkQ8v9jMLEjow X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 20 Mar 2009 01:53:50 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote= : > > Sangean PR-D5 >=20 > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: > To: "am stereo forum" > Cc: "jim smith" > Subject: {AMSF} Sanean pr-d5 AM FM FM STEREO RDS > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 14:35:09 -0800 >=20 > Hi Gang Dose any one know any more than whats said in descriptions on thi= s radio . What I read that its all so being marketed heavly in Japan. AM ST= EREO?!? Its analog only digatal tuning. It would be neat to find out the t= ract record on that radio. Thay are pushing the AM side realy heavy also. = Jim Smith > PR-D5 is not AM Stereo, but a very good AM dx portable. Mine "locked up" a few months ago, but has worked very well since then. It = is one of the few portables with RDS capability. Juan From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 05:55:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 728 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 12:51:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 12:51:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 12:50:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81516 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2009 12:50:59 -0000 Message-ID: <184040.81448.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: q4JriW8VM1k9i.ZV5m8XKuSVYpcfEZ0VTBqTyyHHF0enwX5g68AL4TP3c4BtkjS3ggNxJixvwgn6ARQ3Fc7DBUzlZxKQtyyoZR80iPLlDBqUlFXv1VqNBS1a7FzSy9.puMC6UqDhJ42ZmQlt8q59p8XGjtMlmE3U0KoOzlLBqSgd3w-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 05:50:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.1.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 05:50:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Paging WYOMING MICHAEL - McMartin Xmit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=inNadTNNQenapqbpn16j2gWmq82W9hfFoDjw41BGquOH5usfP1mHjeA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio There was a gentlemen, Michael, from WYOMING, who worked at a station or two that had the McMartin transmitters that he added C-Quam to. Maybe we can get his input. John From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Mar 20 07:00:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19988 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 13:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 13:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.146) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 13:32:38 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so548701qwf.6 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:32:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.89.76 with SMTP id d12mr5502640qam.382.1237555958625; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.35.225.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.35.225.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm2951555yxt.54.2009.03.20.06.32.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3F85FECD-C2D5-48B9-B838-901CE47C7B9B@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <539281.28800.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:32:30 -0400 References: <539281.28800.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processor question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=tqX9c7IarSzB_Z6r06LiQD-WcRbL3CvdsnFIM-g0J_svGBLK1c5TTrFS8a2Rag X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:20 AM, JNR wrote: > That's the problem: I dunno where the key to open up the panel is. > Also, it's the main processor so I can't take it off-line. I emailed you OFF LIST with a solution. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 20 08:10:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79512 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 14:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 14:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d21.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.207) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 14:43:21 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c4a.4a6cc822 (39332) for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:43:18 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was GE now RCA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pffLkbHy0A2GZuKX-Tcm_RQmuziv4CIuNuUxDEuZx7MVQy0iGq-fAWXzJNO9T7lG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/19/2009 9:34:48 PM Central Standard Time, big_h00pla@yahoo.com writes: > They make a great > product and keep making it cheaper until they ruin a great thing. > At Emerson, we called it "cost reduction". It was more than a business methodoly. It was a religion. Basically, we would buy up struggling companies with a strong brand, gut it, squeeze ever dime we could out of the brand by using it to sell junk, and then sell the brand off. Too many companies with a reputation for quality and value worry too much about maintaining their companies good name, providing a good product to their customers, and their workers than providing bonuses to senior management and pleasing Wall Street. Thankfully, the folks at GE realized that the real money to be made wasn't in appliances, jet engines, electrical equipment, but rather in money manipulation. RCA was one of those old line companies that tried to hold back the tide. So GE took it over and sold off its brands to foreign companies like Thomson who used them to sell Far East junk to the American consumer. If Edison had been a real genius, he would have never wasted his time messing around with light bulbs and would have founded GE Financial to begin with. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Mar 20 08:44:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14904 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 15:35:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 15:35:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 15:35:36 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE6HP6TAGBPMUJ for (sender ); Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:34:41 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD/A1zlx5OedbIocPJRXprwE= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PB4XCPKK; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:34:15 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.243.175] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:33:59 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090320.083359.26653.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:1005345109 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: French Radios All Digital by 2013 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=aRJEK2knwV4-CJi1RYmUlg7mAmJIGgEo-8jKlJ0eUg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn PARIS Terrestrial digital radio, or radio num=E9rique terrestre (RNT) as it= is known here in France, has received a boost from the French government. In early March, Law No. 2009-258 was adopted. Among its provisions is a tim= etable for the mandated introduction of digital receivers in all radios sol= d in France. At the end of 2007, France adopted the Eurkea-147 based T-DMB standard as t= he default digital transmission scheme for the country. Originally for mult= imedia broadcasting, France plans to use DMB Audio to carry radio programmi= ng alongside images, data and other multimedia services. Timeline In Article 79 of the law, dates are set for the inclusion of digital receiv= ers in radio sets sold with in the country. From 1 September 2010, any radio set that can display multimedia content mu= st be equipped to tune DMB Audio signals. In-car receivers are exempt from = this requirement. From 1 September 2012, all new radio tuners must be able to receiver DMB Au= dio and multimedia signals. Again in-car receivers are exempt from this dat= e. From 1 September 2013, all radio tuners, including in-car receivers, must b= e able to receive DMB Audio and multimedia signals. In the debate over the law, Deputy Patrice Martin-Lalande, vice-chairman of= the commission that drafted the legislation, said: "Radio cannot remain th= e only media in analog. Digital switchover has a triple benefit: improved c= overage, improved quality of listening and serves as a lever for developmen= t and innovation for the French digital industry." Migration plan The French broadcast regulator, the Council Superior de l'Audiovisuel (CSA)= , has already received submissions from stations looking to migrate to digi= tal radio and a list of licenses is expected to be released in April follow= ed by a digital migration plan in June 2009. The plan is to include a sched= ule designed to ensure the total coverage of France with digital radio. Although a 2020 date has been floated for a complete migration of analog ra= dio to digital, nothing has been set forth definitively. Some community and= local radio stations are wary of the cost and value of the digital transit= ion and for the mean time would prefer to stay analog on FM. Other broadcasters, such as the Breton station Littoral AM, have expressed = a preference for going digital using the Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) stand= ard for broadcasting in the AM wavebands. France has approved use of the DRM standard for broadcasting at frequencies= below 30 MHz, as well as the ETSI SDR satellite digital radio standard for= use in the L band. In addition to the digital radio receiver timeline, the new law also amends= multiple existing laws to replace references to "radio and television" wit= h the phrase "audiovisual communications" (communication audiovisuelle) or = to add "audiovisual media services" (services de m=E9dias audiovisuels) alo= ngside radio and television. From w6yn@juno.com Fri Mar 20 08:52:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17208 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 15:45:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 15:45:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 15:45:11 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE6HQRUAC6HPLA for (sender ); Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:44:50 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD78279kEDM9vdp2hyEs9mYg= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PB4XV9A2; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:43:50 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.243.175] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:43:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:43:48 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090320.084348.26653.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 15:7:490978550 X-MAIL-INFO:28e86959694d154d9c09e80958dc38989cdddcd861bcd8d8c8f5a9dc88e5dd71b5 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: More Stations Go Dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=D9I6xJKrOesI1xoO3Zh9CEmQJ_vauyXXGFsIhNzhbw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn From small religious broadcast licensees and rural radio owners to large br= oadcast groups, stations are being forced to make some difficult financial = decisions in tough economic times. More owners of late appear to be taking a dramatic way out: letting station= s go silent to conserve money. In some cases, the decision is permanent. Broadcasters are searching for ways to cut operating expenses, industry obs= ervers say, and letting a station go silent certainly is one way to do that= . At any given time, some stations will be silent. Some shutoffs are for tech= nical reasons; but an increasing number appear to be intended to limit expe= nditures. There is evidence that the numbers of both AM and FM stations going dark at= least temporarily is growing. Radio World's review of the FCC's database, = which lists stations that have been silent for more than two months, indica= tes the pace of filings to power down stations increased last fall through = the beginning of this year (see chart). AM stations silent more than two months In mid-February, the list showed more than 80 AMs and about 100 FMs off the= air, not including translators. The Federal Communications Commission does not archive past dark stations l= ists to determine year-to-year trends. Neither does BIA Financial Network; = a spokesman said the silent list is unusual and hard to evaluate because ST= As are filed for various reasons. Radio stations must apply to the FCC for Special Temporary Authority if the= y remain silent for more than 30 days. By law, a broadcaster's license is c= ancelled if a station remains off the air for more than 12 months, accordin= g to the agency. "It's not an evaluation by us at that point. They are simply informed they = have forfeited their license and they need to stop broadcasting," an FCC sp= okesman said. The FCC said it does not have data readily available that shows how many li= censes were cancelled under such circumstances in 2008 and lacks the softwa= re to complete a year-to-year analysis. Analysts said the number of silent outlets represents a small percentage of= licensed stations =97 the FCC counts approximately 14,000 radio stations i= n the United States not counting translators, boosters or LPFMs =97 but it'= s difficult to gauge the number going dark since stations presumably are ta= ken off the FCC list once licenses are surrendered after a year. The spokesman said history has shown that radio stations go silent all the = time for a variety of reasons. However, he acknowledged the number of filin= gs "are a bit accelerated" at present based upon financial hardship. 'Financial hardship' AM broadcasters seem especially vulnerable right now because of higher fixe= d operational costs, analysts said. On the list of inactive stations are outlets owned by both large groups and= small independent licensees, according to the FCC database. Clear Channel = Communications, Citadel Broadcasting and Cumulus Media all have AM stations= listed as silent in the FCC database. The reasons stations go silent vary, from moving transmission facilities to= leases expiring. "There are a couple of situations like this and all are related to our inab= ility to keep the site we leased for our tower. In some cases, you can't av= oid it," said Jeff Littlejohn, executive vice president of distribution dev= elopment for Clear Channel Communications. Littlejohn mentioned the case of WHJA(AM) in Laurel, Miss., which went sile= nt in August of 2008. "We lost the lease on the ground that supported the tower. Given the diffic= ulty and expense of moving an AM station and negative economics of running = it, it made no sense to rebuild," Littlejohn said. "In fact, we tried to gi= ve the station to a local church and they wouldn't take it." Clear Channel plans simply to turn the license for the station back over to= the FCC in September, Littlejohn said. WRFV(AM) in Valdosta, Ga., has been off the air since March 2008. Licensed = to Rama Communications Inc., the station was part of a "travelers' informat= ion" network but was losing money, said Shanti Persaud, account manager for= Rama Communications. "It was a financial decision that we had to make at the time [to turn it of= f]. It wasn't profitable. We had no other options," Persaud said. Rama Communications, which owns several other radio stations in Florida, ex= pected to turn WRFV back on this March after beginning a new financial part= nership. Persaud said she expects the station to broadcast a syndicated new= s/talk format. (click thumbnail) FM stations silent more than two months "Plus, we take the chance of losing the license if we are not back on the a= ir in March." Cutting costs Some industry analysts said they would not be surprised if the commission b= ecomes more considerate of economic hardships when determining forfeitures. "I'm not sure how widespread the practice of going dark is, but at least, a= necdotally, it appears to be getting worse as the economy worsens," said Ma= rci Ryvicker, a Wall Street analyst at Wachovia Capital Markets. "As we embark upon [quarterly] earnings season," she said in February, "the= only thing the radio groups have under their control is the expense side. = I would assume that there are significant cost savings from going dark. I w= ould expect to see more of this at unprofitable stations." That appears to be the case at WDPT(AM) in Decatur, Ala., and WTKI(AM) in H= untsville, Ala., which went dark in late January. The stations' owners, Chr= istian Voices of Central Ohio, posted on a Web site (www.protalkradio.com) = that "as a result of current economic conditions, we have been forced to ce= ase operations." The stations broadcast a hybrid of Christian teaching and conservative talk= ers like Dr. Laura, according to its Web site. "We shut the stations down with hopes to sell them or work out an LMA with = another broadcaster. We are just praying for a turnaround in this economy,"= said Dan Baughman, president and chief executive officer of Christian Voic= e of Central Ohio. "When last September hit, we soon realized things were g= oing bad very quickly and we were caught up in it. We really scrambled to h= old out until this year." Sometimes broadcasters are under pressure from lenders to shed stations tha= t are unprofitable, said Larry Patrick, president of Patrick Communications= , a broadcast brokerage firm that assists clients in buying and selling rad= io properties. "We have clients considering turning off stations. Banks are dictating in s= ome cases that broadcasters can no longer afford to run stations that are l= osing money. Lenders look at things differently than broadcasters. If it ca= n't stand on its own you throw it on the junk heap," Patrick said. Adding to the difficulty for some licensees is the fact that no one can sel= l a station right now, he added. "The market is essentially frozen. There is no market for radio stations. I= f you can't sell the losers you might as well turn them off." A side effect of turning off a station is that it immediately depresses the= value of the broadcast license, he said. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 11:49:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18267 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 18:46:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 18:46:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 18:46:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 18:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 18:46:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:45:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090320.083359.26653.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.155 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: French Radios All Digital by 2013 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=aUpv6ZlZWL9R4NFkasgO-_cvZ8o2_yILjV-4HyRI1OWJMxMl_A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Maybe it will work well in most France territory, because they have a lot o= f plain land and it is not too big than USA or Canada. The problem will be the extra digital noise at night to the rest of Europe. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote= : > > PARIS Terrestrial digital radio, or radio num=E9rique terrestre (RNT) as = it is known here in France, has received a boost from the French government= . >=20 > In early March, Law No. 2009-258 was adopted. Among its provisions is a t= imetable for the mandated introduction of digital receivers in all radios s= old in France. >=20 > At the end of 2007, France adopted the Eurkea-147 based T-DMB standard as= the default digital transmission scheme for the country. Originally for mu= ltimedia broadcasting, France plans to use DMB Audio to carry radio program= ming alongside images, data and other multimedia services. >=20 > Timeline > In Article 79 of the law, dates are set for the inclusion of digital rece= ivers in radio sets sold with in the country. >=20 > From 1 September 2010, any radio set that can display multimedia content = must be equipped to tune DMB Audio signals. In-car receivers are exempt fro= m this requirement. >=20 > From 1 September 2012, all new radio tuners must be able to receiver DMB = Audio and multimedia signals. Again in-car receivers are exempt from this d= ate. >=20 > From 1 September 2013, all radio tuners, including in-car receivers, must= be able to receive DMB Audio and multimedia signals. >=20 > In the debate over the law, Deputy Patrice Martin-Lalande, vice-chairman = of the commission that drafted the legislation, said: "Radio cannot remain = the only media in analog. Digital switchover has a triple benefit: improved= coverage, improved quality of listening and serves as a lever for developm= ent and innovation for the French digital industry." >=20 > Migration plan > The French broadcast regulator, the Council Superior de l'Audiovisuel (CS= A), has already received submissions from stations looking to migrate to di= gital radio and a list of licenses is expected to be released in April foll= owed by a digital migration plan in June 2009. The plan is to include a sch= edule designed to ensure the total coverage of France with digital radio. >=20 > Although a 2020 date has been floated for a complete migration of analog = radio to digital, nothing has been set forth definitively. Some community a= nd local radio stations are wary of the cost and value of the digital trans= ition and for the mean time would prefer to stay analog on FM. >=20 > Other broadcasters, such as the Breton station Littoral AM, have expresse= d a preference for going digital using the Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) sta= ndard for broadcasting in the AM wavebands. >=20 > France has approved use of the DRM standard for broadcasting at frequenci= es below 30 MHz, as well as the ETSI SDR satellite digital radio standard f= or use in the L band. >=20 > In addition to the digital radio receiver timeline, the new law also amen= ds multiple existing laws to replace references to "radio and television" w= ith the phrase "audiovisual communications" (communication audiovisuelle) o= r to add "audiovisual media services" (services de m=E9dias audiovisuels) a= longside radio and television. > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 11:53:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59223 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 18:50:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 18:50:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 18:50:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 18:50:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 18:50:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:50:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090320.084348.26653.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.155 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: More Stations Go Dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=IwSPOUUZqGW0Y9ftzXUnK738MfOpiEB_nbxbd5j7tifAxwILQw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 The best solution is an Argentina solution (the rumors say it is that way n= ow, I'm not sure): IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY, INSTALL AN STATION. No rules, no licenses and "NO WARRANTIES". But, it isn't a bad idea at all. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote= : > > From small religious broadcast licensees and rural radio owners to large = broadcast groups, stations are being forced to make some difficult financia= l decisions in tough economic times. >=20 > More owners of late appear to be taking a dramatic way out: letting stati= ons go silent to conserve money. In some cases, the decision is permanent. >=20 > Broadcasters are searching for ways to cut operating expenses, industry o= bservers say, and letting a station go silent certainly is one way to do th= at. >=20 > At any given time, some stations will be silent. Some shutoffs are for te= chnical reasons; but an increasing number appear to be intended to limit ex= penditures. >=20 > There is evidence that the numbers of both AM and FM stations going dark = at least temporarily is growing. Radio World's review of the FCC's database= , which lists stations that have been silent for more than two months, indi= cates the pace of filings to power down stations increased last fall throug= h the beginning of this year (see chart). >=20 > AM stations silent more than two months > In mid-February, the list showed more than 80 AMs and about 100 FMs off t= he air, not including translators. >=20 > The Federal Communications Commission does not archive past dark stations= lists to determine year-to-year trends. Neither does BIA Financial Network= ; a spokesman said the silent list is unusual and hard to evaluate because = STAs are filed for various reasons. >=20 > Radio stations must apply to the FCC for Special Temporary Authority if t= hey remain silent for more than 30 days. By law, a broadcaster's license is= cancelled if a station remains off the air for more than 12 months, accord= ing to the agency. >=20 > "It's not an evaluation by us at that point. They are simply informed the= y have forfeited their license and they need to stop broadcasting," an FCC = spokesman said. >=20 > The FCC said it does not have data readily available that shows how many = licenses were cancelled under such circumstances in 2008 and lacks the soft= ware to complete a year-to-year analysis. >=20 > Analysts said the number of silent outlets represents a small percentage = of licensed stations =97 the FCC counts approximately 14,000 radio stations= in the United States not counting translators, boosters or LPFMs =97 but i= t's difficult to gauge the number going dark since stations presumably are = taken off the FCC list once licenses are surrendered after a year. >=20 > The spokesman said history has shown that radio stations go silent all th= e time for a variety of reasons. However, he acknowledged the number of fil= ings "are a bit accelerated" at present based upon financial hardship. >=20 > 'Financial hardship' >=20 > AM broadcasters seem especially vulnerable right now because of higher fi= xed operational costs, analysts said. >=20 > On the list of inactive stations are outlets owned by both large groups a= nd small independent licensees, according to the FCC database. Clear Channe= l Communications, Citadel Broadcasting and Cumulus Media all have AM statio= ns listed as silent in the FCC database. >=20 > The reasons stations go silent vary, from moving transmission facilities = to leases expiring. >=20 > "There are a couple of situations like this and all are related to our in= ability to keep the site we leased for our tower. In some cases, you can't = avoid it," said Jeff Littlejohn, executive vice president of distribution d= evelopment for Clear Channel Communications. >=20 > Littlejohn mentioned the case of WHJA(AM) in Laurel, Miss., which went si= lent in August of 2008. >=20 > "We lost the lease on the ground that supported the tower. Given the diff= iculty and expense of moving an AM station and negative economics of runnin= g it, it made no sense to rebuild," Littlejohn said. "In fact, we tried to = give the station to a local church and they wouldn't take it." >=20 > Clear Channel plans simply to turn the license for the station back over = to the FCC in September, Littlejohn said. >=20 > WRFV(AM) in Valdosta, Ga., has been off the air since March 2008. License= d to Rama Communications Inc., the station was part of a "travelers' inform= ation" network but was losing money, said Shanti Persaud, account manager f= or Rama Communications. >=20 > "It was a financial decision that we had to make at the time [to turn it = off]. It wasn't profitable. We had no other options," Persaud said. >=20 > Rama Communications, which owns several other radio stations in Florida, = expected to turn WRFV back on this March after beginning a new financial pa= rtnership. Persaud said she expects the station to broadcast a syndicated n= ews/talk format. >=20 > (click thumbnail) > FM stations silent more than two months > "Plus, we take the chance of losing the license if we are not back on the= air in March." >=20 > Cutting costs >=20 > Some industry analysts said they would not be surprised if the commission= becomes more considerate of economic hardships when determining forfeiture= s. >=20 > "I'm not sure how widespread the practice of going dark is, but at least,= anecdotally, it appears to be getting worse as the economy worsens," said = Marci Ryvicker, a Wall Street analyst at Wachovia Capital Markets. >=20 > "As we embark upon [quarterly] earnings season," she said in February, "t= he only thing the radio groups have under their control is the expense side= . I would assume that there are significant cost savings from going dark. I= would expect to see more of this at unprofitable stations." >=20 > That appears to be the case at WDPT(AM) in Decatur, Ala., and WTKI(AM) in= Huntsville, Ala., which went dark in late January. The stations' owners, C= hristian Voices of Central Ohio, posted on a Web site (www.protalkradio.com= ) that "as a result of current economic conditions, we have been forced to = cease operations." >=20 > The stations broadcast a hybrid of Christian teaching and conservative ta= lkers like Dr. Laura, according to its Web site. >=20 > "We shut the stations down with hopes to sell them or work out an LMA wit= h another broadcaster. We are just praying for a turnaround in this economy= ," said Dan Baughman, president and chief executive officer of Christian Vo= ice of Central Ohio. "When last September hit, we soon realized things were= going bad very quickly and we were caught up in it. We really scrambled to= hold out until this year." >=20 > Sometimes broadcasters are under pressure from lenders to shed stations t= hat are unprofitable, said Larry Patrick, president of Patrick Communicatio= ns, a broadcast brokerage firm that assists clients in buying and selling r= adio properties. >=20 > "We have clients considering turning off stations. Banks are dictating in= some cases that broadcasters can no longer afford to run stations that are= losing money. Lenders look at things differently than broadcasters. If it = can't stand on its own you throw it on the junk heap," Patrick said. >=20 > Adding to the difficulty for some licensees is the fact that no one can s= ell a station right now, he added. >=20 > "The market is essentially frozen. There is no market for radio stations.= If you can't sell the losers you might as well turn them off." >=20 > A side effect of turning off a station is that it immediately depresses t= he value of the broadcast license, he said. > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 12:29:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50992 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 18:38:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 18:38:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 18:38:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 18:38:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 18:38:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:38:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <539281.28800.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.155 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processor question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=67oDrspUtuWt93CGHHfxtbcBqi8UL2UbrJ6FIvWtul9D-BfNiA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Try to take out the removable door hinge axe. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, JNR wrote: > > That's the problem: I dunno where the key to open up the panel is.=A0 Als= o, it's the main processor so I can't take it off-line. >=20 > Jay >=20 > --- On Mon, 3/16/09, KJ4HYD wrote: > From: KJ4HYD > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Processor question > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 11:22 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > On Mar 16, 2009, at 8:31 PM, JNR wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Does anyone know if there's a cosmetic way of checking an Orban=20=20 >=20 > > processor for stereo status WITHOUT opening it up? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yes, open the front panel and if it has a knob that says "Stereo=20=20 >=20 > Enhance" or "Stereo Expand" It is the Stereo Model. It is easy to=20=20 >=20 > convert the Mono models of the 9100/A and 9100/B to Stereo with the=20=20 >=20 > addition of cards and a new front panel. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 73, >=20 > Kevin in Upstate SC >=20 > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 12:39:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14210 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 18:40:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 18:40:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 18:40:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 18:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 18:40:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:40:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <184040.81448.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.155 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Paging WYOMING MICHAEL - McMartin Xmit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Skujo8E0r5PaoSd58KVSo-OZfCUy-GaGX7h9sb_e2x0D5v12IQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Can you contact him, please? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > >=20 > There was a gentlemen, Michael, from WYOMING, who worked at a station or = two that had the McMartin transmitters that he added C-Quam to. > Maybe we can get his input. >=20 > John > From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 20 13:14:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77587 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 19:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 19:21:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 19:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cd4.47c455a2 (65099) for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:20:56 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More Stations Go Dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Yc1rlvP8Pvcl8vhvCotomu94IIO8OygVxW8luIqQpJHgUmzhJwF49pDv1039RRC2 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Look on the bright side. There may be some scrapped towers that Juan could get his guy wire insulators from. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 16:21:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56545 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 23:21:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 23:21:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 23:21:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 23:21:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 23:21:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:21:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.97 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: More Stations Go Dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=kSI4X2RE4UfAte9txGiVzOuBfcJGFlEJidQjo7PF_UOAj7WQ_g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Very good idea!!! When you know some address, please, let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Look on the bright side. There may be some scrapped towers that Juan cou= ld=20 > get his guy wire insulators from. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for=20 > $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=3Demlcntusfood000000= 01) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 20 17:53:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27588 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2009 00:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2009 00:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2009 00:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.198] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090320195247100877500010.0) with SMTP id <20090320195247100877500010> for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:52:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001f01c9a9c0$52a48b20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:52:47 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmission range? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=YmNksEVg1dsm4adsAbJ7v38rICu4LHty-oXshSnuCrA4rfmw-DNP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's still not that difficult. You feed the stereo signal after that divider chip. You might have to cut a circuit board trace, add a switch, a cable and a BNC connector to go from the internal oscillator to the external AspiSys unit. Scott Todd > It would be perfect, if it was not because a "minor" thing: McMartin crystals work with twice the final carrier frecuency. In my case: the crystal gives 2520 KHZ. There is an IC who makes the "magic" work and divided it by two, leaving the final 1260 KHZ. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 20 18:02:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96762 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2009 01:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2009 01:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2009 01:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.198] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090320200202101855500010.0) with SMTP id <20090320200202101855500010> for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:02:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006601c9a9c1$9d4cad00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20090320.083359.26653.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:02:02 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} French Radios All Digital by 2013 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=tqSB42-eF0q3COHwEv1Jk3fkf5Yia2cmUOT9V-wO3jh_6bw74Gch X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Translation- adieu to CQUAM on France Bleu. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com At the end of 2007, France adopted the Eurkea-147 based T-DMB standard as the default digital transmission scheme for the country. Originally for multimedia broadcasting, France plans to use DMB Audio to carry radio programming alongside images, data and other multimedia services. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 20 18:04:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57305 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2009 01:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2009 01:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2009 01:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.198] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090320200338101978100010.0) with SMTP id <20090320200338101978100010> for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:03:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007701c9a9c1$d6544900$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:03:38 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More Stations Go Dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=H8FfzsSbo05cAq60u7Beb8Cz7b0pkt6U7ids7lK8dSwD2WgBMKRe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Possibly, but you'd be surprised how many of these old towers remain in the air once a station goes dark. Frequently the towers are taken down by blasting a guy anchor. Don't know what that would do for the integrity of the insulators, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More Stations Go Dark Look on the bright side. There may be some scrapped towers that Juan could get his guy wire insulators from. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 20 18:05:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65780 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2009 01:05:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2009 01:05:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2009 01:05:22 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.198] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090320200453102100300010.0) with SMTP id <20090320200453102100300010> for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:04:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008201c9a9c2$02e23ae0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <184040.81448.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:04:53 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Paging WYOMING MICHAEL - McMartin Xmit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=KhDikDGyNyUgUZa0zQgSL1cY2YGJYSBZBxFFVuLP3WhEYEyFpjtV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit His was a kilowatt unit, but the modifications should be nearly the same. The station is KEVA. You might want to look up the website and get a hold of him that way. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:55 AM Subject: {AMSF} Paging WYOMING MICHAEL - McMartin Xmit There was a gentlemen, Michael, from WYOMING, who worked at a station or two that had the McMartin transmitters that he added C-Quam to. Maybe we can get his input. John --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 20 18:22:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18716 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2009 01:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2009 01:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2009 01:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d69.40456b45 (39952) for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:21:12 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More Stations Go Dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CUTb6TyUZC4108xae59-R56ubQHJTSZctqy7L3kzFuSu5nINk6MLLc7b0rQLjJYx X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, The copper scavengers will go after the ground system. The other metal savengers will go after the tower itself. However, porcelain has no salvage value. They might sell them to you at a very reasonable price. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 18:56:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98320 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2009 01:56:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2009 01:56:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web84002.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.172) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2009 01:56:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61757 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Mar 2009 01:56:53 -0000 Message-ID: <720083.32586.qm@web84002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: O3pxFi8VM1ko6gJtZeR3G0.iBoErT_LqbohP0qR5vLMdIlePq0xf.iBS_TSoWFWzRrUteMfk1hU5.JhqIGZq2KD5X93j4uiim1ycClxwQvNVu1sD.UNKmRC7TR_JQPTHPl1gg1faw5mhf8zPPvMzDLnqIH9U4LN1hZ5HoAi5E0DG4n5TCx6qQNy7cWkMza48D3NKwhzdefbL4WRTBq8G5LQyzSub X-Received: from [71.97.205.99] by web84002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:56:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.1.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:56:53 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} Magnavox AM Stereo Radios X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=Z3lqedR5Ee2XBrwdGysjtNCZ6Cud18oTYwrnq76ECgUompM7XlBw X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, =A0 The reason that Magnavox/Philips never produced any AM radios is straightfo= rward.=A0=20 =A0 The product lineup was directed by Philips in the Netherlands.=A0 In Europe= , AM radio was a real mess since there was no cooperation between the vario= us countries.=A0 Interference was the order of the day.=A0 The Europeans co= uld not understand why anyone would want stereo on AM radio, it was so bad = there.=A0 When their technical representative came over here for 2 weeks to= see what AM stereo was about, he was amazed at what had been accomplished.= =A0 Unfortunately, he was unable to effectively promote the concept of AM S= tereo back home. =A0 That is also why Philips elected to develop the CD instead of spending the = research funds on the AM Stereo program in the USA.=A0 Their decision came = shortly after the FCC initially selected the Magnavox system, and was why t= here was very little funding devoted to the PMX system.=A0 They felt that t= he CD development was a much lower risk than the marketplace decision proce= ss in the USA.=A0 They were right. =A0 I am guessing that overall, about $1,500,000 was spent on all the technolog= y work for the PMX system over the 10 years it was pursued, and about $2,00= 0,000 on the legal activities=A0after the FCC selected the PMX system.=A0 I= believe that Motorola spent over $200,000,000 based on the level of effort= they placed on their system promotion.=A0 They also got GM to pitch in ano= ther $200,000,000 for radio development and Chrysler to pitch in about $50,= 000,000.=A0 They did not get their monies worth in my opinion.=A0=20 =A0 I did broadcast installation for both PMX and Motorola, and it was much mor= e difficult to get the same level of stereo performance from the Motorola s= ystem as compared to the PMX system at any given type of transmitter. =A0 Based on that, I am always amazed at how far the PMX system got on such lim= ited resources. =A0 Bob --- On Wed, 3/18/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Magnavox AM Stereo Radios To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 8:26 AM Bob Streeter - thanks for visiting us here and sharing your info on the Mag= navox system!=A0 When it was originally the approved AM stereo standard, I = thought that was a good thing, mainly because I could see (North America) P= hilips / Magnavox building tons of AM stereo receivers to promote it, but A= MS hardware from N.A. Philips never seemed to happen. John =A0 =A0 =A0=20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 19:34:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66659 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2009 02:34:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2009 02:34:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2009 02:34:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2009 02:34:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2009 02:34:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:34:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c9a9c0$52a48b20$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.87 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmission range? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=sGZSZE4w_x62AwjR8kOH9G6kmGHooJm3bU1LNwX93yTwSmOadw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Of course I'll do it!!! Hehehehe!!! Will I need some extra element? (Coil, resistance, condenser, etc.) GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > It's still not that difficult. You feed the stereo signal after that div= ider chip. You might have to cut a circuit board trace, add a switch, a ca= ble and a BNC connector to go from the internal oscillator to the external = AspiSys unit. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > > It would be perfect, if it was not because a "minor" thing: McMartin = crystals work with twice the final carrier frecuency. In my case: the cryst= al gives 2520 KHZ. There is an IC who makes the "magic" work and divided it= by two, leaving the final 1260 KHZ. >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 19:44:10 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31423;u=;t=1237603478;m=1270473376;s=3487754139; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 20 19:57:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71802 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2009 02:57:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 21 Mar 2009 02:57:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2009 02:57:04 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.198] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090320215632101206800010.0) with SMTP id <20090320215632101206800010> for ; Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:56:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00c501c9a9d1$9c268940$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:56:32 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmission range? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=5rwA8Rbi5lrdqNs9pFDuRHOkGxUL4Ng0RVheEp1AyuLk8hCIFrtW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The guy at KEVA would have to answer that one for sure, but I don't think s= o. One thing you will need to do is to measure the output of that chip wit= h an oscilloscope and match the output of the AspiSys so it's the same ampl= itude for feeding the next stage. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:34 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmiss= ion range? Of course I'll do it!!! Hehehehe!!! Will I need some extra element? (Coil, resistance, condenser, etc.) GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > It's still not that difficult. You feed the stereo signal after that di= vider chip. You might have to cut a circuit board trace, add a switch, a ca= ble and a BNC connector to go from the internal oscillator to the external = AspiSys unit. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > > It would be perfect, if it was not because a "minor" thing: McMartin = crystals work with twice the final carrier frecuency. In my case: the cryst= al gives 2520 KHZ. There is an IC who makes the "magic" work and divided it= by two, leaving the final 1260 KHZ. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfam= ily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 20 23:17:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57282 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2009 06:16:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2009 06:16:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.210) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2009 06:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c12.4f7f1263 (39953) for ; Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:15:58 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} ABDX presents the 1480 WSAR DX test! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=S6U3eUmpzejFSP2zA_PLRBIwUIv48g8VFkgUGuKmVY1QilqrTKH7S1MSr1xFOuF6 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It looks like WSAR has 5/8 wave towers in a directional array with a cardiod pattern nulling to the southwest. These are hot antennas. I imagine during the nightime hours with 5 kilowatts, they could throw a signal to the northwest as far as the station has protection as most of the signal path is over salt water. Easily into Maine, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. I will try giving a listen, but I am in the direction of the null. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 20 23:24:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32787 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2009 06:24:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 21 Mar 2009 06:24:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2009 06:24:11 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c53.471bc1b1 (39953) for ; Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 02:23:59 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin BA-2.5K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qGPphzpZ0FFR3gIFW2o3StQUdh0OjPUxa7syb-C2jKDuuB8VEZvS2Ckl2UCOWR-x X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know what the McMartin uses a x2 crystal? Ordinary that is done to generate a quadature reference. Here is a question: Does the McMartin have a provision for an external reference? Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 21 22:59:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27127 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2009 05:59:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2009 05:59:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.185) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2009 05:59:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83445 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2009 05:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95650@75.19.156.141 with login) by smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2009 05:59:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pTPdW0sVM1l7vvyrAGJo5zx9b1yZnObfuCV.yhz4J9MB4ofu8Rdi3Ehx4NV6F3LyxVg6ZwT8ENN4KwE5R4ie_nGoLEiWtICmrPn0OvIhGSY58l53Mp0yWfT9xPDTORVj3LdfDgBNaPUNushDUZxt9tQ9 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001101c9aab3$99a70ea0$232cfea9@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:00:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: KTNN AM 660 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=X755OL6lxY3sjLHL9oaFh1oiWEukadvYO7gsdUcOVQHeeihuqRCrd6Lb4LECla8wcjiBWWGk X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I am happy to report that KTNN AM 660 is playing music all night long now. Thay are still in mono though. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 08:01:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13315 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2009 15:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 22 Mar 2009 15:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2009 15:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2009 15:00:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2009 15:00:20 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:00:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.114 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin BA-2.5K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=TWq6Gjha_K8JjWkQGeCjrj5lboq5_7nx2AunkYhdFSgCWzBfNA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 A VERY GOOD QUESTION!!! The only one answer I have is the own McMartin user's manual, literally: "The output of the crystal oscillator signal is buffered, amplified and sha= ped by Q2 and Q3. The RF output voltage of Q3 is esentially square wave to = drive pin 1 of the 7473 dual JK flip-flop IC (integrated circuit). The divi= de-by-two and divide-by-four outputs of the 7473 appear on pins 13 and 7, r= espectively." It isn't clear for me where and how the original square wave it's converted= into a pure sinusoidal wave but... the final signal is a pure sinusoidal w= ave!!! (I can see it in the oscilloscope connected at the frecuency monitor= terminal of the TX). What do you mean with "external reference"? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Does anyone know what the McMartin uses a x2 crystal? Ordinary that is d= one=20 > to generate a quadature reference. >=20 > Here is a question: Does the McMartin have a provision for an external=20 > reference? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for=20 > $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=3Demlcntusfood000000= 01) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 08:07:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84704 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2009 15:05:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2009 15:05:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2009 15:05:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2009 15:05:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2009 15:05:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:05:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.114 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin BA-2.5K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=FMHaGizU3Q7eh6t7rOmDRXiyr25nGKpvh8Abdse3gtPNbjIPoA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 By the way, I connected the oscilloscope directly to the McMartin exciter c= rystal, before the amplifier transistors, and it is a pure sinusoidal wave.= So. I guess the transistors converts it into an square wave, or Am I wrong= ? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > A VERY GOOD QUESTION!!! >=20 > The only one answer I have is the own McMartin user's manual, literally: >=20 > "The output of the crystal oscillator signal is buffered, amplified and s= haped by Q2 and Q3. The RF output voltage of Q3 is esentially square wave t= o drive pin 1 of the 7473 dual JK flip-flop IC (integrated circuit). The di= vide-by-two and divide-by-four outputs of the 7473 appear on pins 13 and 7,= respectively." >=20 > It isn't clear for me where and how the original square wave it's convert= ed into a pure sinusoidal wave but... the final signal is a pure sinusoidal= wave!!! (I can see it in the oscilloscope connected at the frecuency monit= or terminal of the TX). >=20 > What do you mean with "external reference"? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@ wrote: > > > > Does anyone know what the McMartin uses a x2 crystal? Ordinary that is= done=20 > > to generate a quadature reference. > >=20 > > Here is a question: Does the McMartin have a provision for an external= =20 > > reference? > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > > ************** > > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for=20 > > $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=3Demlcntusfood0000= 0001) > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 09:31:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31147 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2009 15:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2009 15:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2009 15:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2009 15:56:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2009 15:56:37 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:56:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.114 From: "jotape1960" Subject: AM TX factories X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=DanewYrKcBaCZPeTnAwKtVrF4EINDuAGilUoAOG-KeNH2wxoNg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Can you help me, please? I need to know about AM TX makers in USA. I only know Harris and Broadcast = Electronics web pages. Harris is absolutely far away of my today money capabilities and I don't kn= ow any about BE prices (I guess is too much close Harris). So, could you give me more addresses? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 10:24:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19458 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2009 16:26:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2009 16:26:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2009 16:26:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24572 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Mar 2009 16:26:30 -0000 Message-ID: <781740.22289.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: lwSBzJgVM1ldng2H32EM_Oj2k01QtaRQO5U.v.cJHJN6hyujYb6Vv.XjUC3bI.4TdZ57vsOIanW8FKC6uYRGm9an6hb8pF74c0tgwjf7wzQwYTMoI_qwdZMfBU6.zCmGc7kJY_Za1UAMlEuRJoCJt9dx6q9uRZUKgn3GaOo1btHdlqi59pjcHM5__CvGcKlUursdnYY68_fnvEvJO09MDtxT X-Received: from [209.213.19.102] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:26:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.1.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:26:30 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=iq2gZZH83LwtzlrFQLr5Sei_3lgyrmXlb-Ya5YYGbC8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Announced in Navajo? http://www.ktnnonline.com/ Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 3/22/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang I am happy > to report that KTNN AM 660 is playing music all night long > now. They are still in mono though. Jim Smith From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 22 14:26:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71725 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2009 21:25:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2009 21:25:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2009 21:25:33 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.3] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090322162509102065200010.0) with SMTP id <20090322162509102065200010> for ; Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:25:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003501c9ab35$a8530800$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:25:09 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin BA-2.5K X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Vb3AOH0T3L9NmPmd6pm1oT-qucC6P0LE1IWxxsBZVMqduzg5MiIw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's been a few years since I've seen the manual for one of these, but IIRC it's a matter of improved frequency stability. By running the oscillator at 2x carrier, any deviation would be only half. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Does anyone know what the McMartin uses a x2 crystal? Ordinary that is done to generate a quadature reference. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sun Mar 22 15:39:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61981 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2009 22:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 22 Mar 2009 22:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2009 22:39:53 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail20.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.160]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE6PRTLAKL53AS for (sender ); Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:39:38 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDwqLTfgOLFaZ8j6zzFV3/Fw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail20.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PCAUFESN; Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:38:45 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.243.175] by webmail20.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:37:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:37:59 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090322.153759.405.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:1777088605 X-MAIL-INFO:32a08010e0e59001e5c001bdf091cd559d74f49dc5b9cdcd7dc564c461c4e485 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.160|webmail20.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=rK_cOlYbc9rZ-fxTDVvp8e6qZ6Awmi5n9TvCfKQTDA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Love those pow wow drums! ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Powell E. Way III" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Announced in Navajo?=20=20 http://www.ktnnonline.com/ Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 3/22/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang I am happy > to report that KTNN AM 660 is playing music all night long > now. They are still in mono though. Jim Smith From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Mar 22 15:53:59 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 69235 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2009 22:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2009 22:53:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n51a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.145) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2009 22:53:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1237762437; bh=Wzp9mjjyqeBpTFUX16CvUvqOVz6BQUkLdn0RuV++ny8=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V/txjSj1vvzJl98/8Nka35s3VPQMlq4ZGgi7+hg17mlkM/5ZtAgaUtuyPvPu0CRidoIlbuz85RI2OdSJZC0CerclXBFSqvv6R85hZ58aMMH+d8j0FvsMs9LE4MRzycWI Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2009 22:53:57 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2009 22:53:57 -0000 Date: 22 Mar 2009 22:53:57 -0000 Message-ID: <1237762437.56766.33079.w6@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /McMartin BA-2.5K Main Schematic Diagram.png Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : Main Schematic of the McMartin BA-2.5K AM MW TX You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/McMartin%20BA-2.5K%20Main%20Schematic%20Diagram.png To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, jotape1960 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 22 21:59:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50235 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2009 04:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2009 04:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 04:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2009 04:59:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2009 04:59:35 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 04:59:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090322.153759.405.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.22.191.17 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=0cce2b44BXvuTY62cUW11FHY1i-HF-XP91m2iw8bleB0Cu0aPZ2KrC59tswlS3-hOmOOHI5f X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote= : > > Love those pow wow drums! >=20 > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Powell E. Way III" > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:26:30 -0700 (PDT) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Announced in Navajo?=20=20 >=20 >=20 > http://www.ktnnonline.com/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, jimsmith95650@... wrote: >=20 >=20 > > Hi Gang I am happy > > to report that KTNN AM 660 is playing music all night long > > now. They are still in mono though. Jim Smith > Hi Gang Thay play mostly newer country western music. I rather them play cl= assic country in 660 AM STEREO of corse. At least its music on AM!!!! Jim s= mith From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 06:53:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59931 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2009 13:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 23 Mar 2009 13:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 13:50:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7090 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2009 13:50:04 -0000 Message-ID: <431643.5937.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7pyVV6cVM1kFA4USMpZQE12bcq7qUvDQSUFcxtKlb2TeESV26uFDQt3beGcCv4nGyEOH7_56RSopPfD8FaDDRRYcVLKb9.Zlbz1nnQ5V6xrUj8C23Pw99NPcoGpikLxUBW9qSmaxET_1eqdIS_SQaF23H5Hs3z5BeoQjfEAWzkqEgA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:50:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.1.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:50:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: TX Manufacturer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=hDVOB1XDAPMV1i8U7v8P5UhHnddZ7VVE5wXTuu5TNfN1SuhIO0gG5DY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Nautel is another North American transmitter manufacturer. Their service group can sell you a C-Quam transmitter, but the regular sales office pushes the HD version instead. John From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 07:00:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23288 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2009 13:56:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 23 Mar 2009 13:56:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 13:56:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10141 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2009 13:56:06 -0000 Message-ID: <445095.9609.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dPy5mnAVM1lmNpMtB6wSmgWEa.LENCKFpaEe92dmJZuYXeMFe7qrXp0N8QGTtibc8Y2hjuIliDvBcoxS3rthiwexXt1u_m0f050dYWtQPLAokE1KJKqgsNij2TVjAc88kRYepMBK.Q.e0jpBaZxWyQLEMf75NujEg918xeReZaAWcg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:56:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.1.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 06:56:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: KTNN AM 660 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=S4xuBxPruXbS_qt6HQ9DGLNnPj_sYX655aoML5McDXUx_0EHqUuGxN4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The last 50KW license? From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon Mar 23 09:03:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7417 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2009 15:57:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 23 Mar 2009 15:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.158) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 15:57:54 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so1358409yxn.80 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:57:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.150.215.19 with SMTP id n19mr11802120ybg.179.1237823873928; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:57:53 -0500 Message-ID: <8bce0fe80903230857m2f1de933y53f213a8636d91f@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: KTNN AM 660 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=uTB9tjNtjD7RToiuMExkxWWb0KbbUUrrN3OXVbD7beDMY_0sXE_HUsXB X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KTNN's announcers are largely speaking in Navajo, at least when I listened during Morning Drive and Mid Days one morning. They will speak some english, as there isn't a Navajo word for everything... they was a basketball play by play game on the air one night and that was done entirely in english. KTNN does play some older/classic country music and they play some newer stuff. I realize this is an AM Stereo list, but we need to stop complaining when a station runs in Mono... we should be lucky to have music on AM at all. Not every station wants to run AM Stereo or sees any point to it. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com > 3a. Re: KTNN AM 660 > Posted > by: "Powell E. Way III" w4opw@yahoo.com > W4OPW > Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:24 am (PDT) > Announced in Navajo? > > http://www.ktnnonline.com/ > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net< > jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net > wrote: > > > Hi Gang I am happy > > to report that KTNN AM 660 is playing music all night long > > now. They are still in mono though. Jim Smith > > Back to top <#1203289c2917dfbe_toc> > Reply to sender | Reply > to group > | Reply > via web post > > Messages in this topic > (4) > 3b. Re: KTNN AM 660 > Posted > by: "W6YN Don Milbury" w6yn@juno.com > w6yn > Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:39 pm (PDT) Love > those pow wow drums! > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Powell E. Way III" > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:26:30 -0700 (PDT) > > Announced in Navajo? > > http://www.ktnnonline.com/ > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net< > jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net > wrote: > > > Hi Gang I am happy > > to report that KTNN AM 660 is playing music all night long > > now. They are still in mono though. Jim Smith > > Back to top <#1203289c2917dfbe_toc> > Reply to sender | Reply > to group > | Reply > via web post > > Messages in this topic > (4) > 3c. Re: KTNN AM 660 > Posted > by: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net > jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net > Sun Mar 22, 2009 > 9:59 pm (PDT) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote: > > > > Love those pow wow drums! > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > > From: "Powell E. Way III" > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 > > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:26:30 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > Announced in Navajo? > > > > > > http://www.ktnnonline.com/ > > > > > > > > Powell > > > > > > NNNN > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, jimsmith95650@... wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Gang I am happy > > > to report that KTNN AM 660 is playing music all night long > > > now. They are still in mono though. Jim Smith > > > Hi Gang Thay play mostly newer country western music. I rather them play > classic country in 660 AM STEREO of corse. At least its music on AM!!!! Jim > smith > > Back to top <#1203289c2917dfbe_toc> > Reply to sender > | Reply > to group > | Reply > via web post > > Messages in this topic > (4) > 4.1. 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Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Mar 23 09:14:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11371 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2009 16:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 23 Mar 2009 16:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 16:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2009 16:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2009 16:08:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:08:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.149.16.45 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: The End Of Music on AM Stereo WNMB ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=5sLjoKiVRql6brN5i9UfgMoM1uFyWTFnVokr9kxfGVp-oX0 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane While looking at the WNMB website I noticed they have added the Fred Thomps= on show, with plans to add Glen Beck soon. Also mentions of more talk on th= e way. Hmmm Juan Fort Pierce, FL From w6yn@juno.com Mon Mar 23 09:31:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12437 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2009 16:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2009 16:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 16:21:28 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE6RPYBAWMEKZA for (sender ); Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:20:17 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2+QOyU1WYB834HnigefMyk= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PCCQ5KWD; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:19:25 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.243.175] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:18:54 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:18:54 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090323.091854.2833.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3102304440 X-MAIL-INFO:4eb1300c81002081ed30118da99dbd85d98001e50175bdbd697415c02179e52d61b00c71a94d5099a59944 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.149|webmail09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Newspaper goes Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=qSnChpu6bY0avKBJdDdyg7cSgcrADJQLd0KTdarkaw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The Washington Times, with Talk Radio Network, will create a new three-hour= morning show.=20 This is a surprise announcement from an industry that=92s mostly gasping, i= n the largest markets =96 a newspaper-based 6-9am talk-based show that will= capitalize on the paper=92s scoops and investigative stories. No host anno= unced yet or launch date, except =93late Spring.=94 But newspaper executive= editor John Solomon says =93the goal here is to take what we=92ve done so = successfully in print and translate it to radio=85it=92s not going to be ye= sterday=92s news.=94 TRN=92s Mark Masters says =93We believe this unique jo= urnalistic team, combined with radio=92s ability to give the time and conte= xt needed to flesh out breaking stories, will make for a powerful winning c= ombination in talk radio.=94 He further says =93like =9260 Minutes=92 once = did for TV, this show can do for radio.=94 If they can get it to work, for = three hours a morning and 15 hours a week, that will be something that its = rival Washington Post failed at. Though to be fair, the Post and partner Bo= nneville were putting on a 24/7 radio station. There are also plans for hou= rly radio newscasts branded with the Washington Times imprimatur =96 which = would be TRN=92s first foray into the hourly news biz. Read the Times=92 ow= n report here:=20 http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/23/times-to-launch-syndicated-radi= o-show/ From w6yn@juno.com Mon Mar 23 09:37:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92174 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2009 16:30:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2009 16:30:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 16:30:10 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE6RQHGADE2PWS for (sender ); Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:29:26 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD785WRpmomm9uwsgrUrMox8= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PCCRNYH6; Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:28:55 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.243.175] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:28:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:28:01 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090323.092801.2833.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:246333036 X-MAIL-INFO:462d61712500492100812130454460e059405159a001606029a0c0ad8dadbde9 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.149|webmail09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=OOasoPbW9SD6pXVoyylKhGFHhEE_PusEN3gVamjnLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn One for one: Nashville-area WDKN (1260) goes dark, after 53 years. "Country Connection" = WDKN, Dickson. The order came last Thursday morning to turn out the lights = at noon. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "W6YN Don Milbury" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:37:59 GMT Love those pow wow drums! ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Powell E. Way III" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Announced in Navajo?=20=20 http://www.ktnnonline.com/ Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 3/22/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang I am happy > to report that KTNN AM 660 is playing music all night long > now. They are still in mono though. Jim Smith From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 23 09:43:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46250 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2009 16:35:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2009 16:35:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 16:35:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2009 16:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2009 16:35:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:35:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80903230857m2f1de933y53f213a8636d91f@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.22.189.94 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: KTNN AM 660 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=1rsocXZb6yd23aAcPUqOyHpuzKhTa4ysqU5asqkZYYquy23gy8EnjvTmrTKNPxuU1FS_W2BB X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > KTNN's announcers are largely speaking in Navajo, at least when I listene= d > during Morning Drive and Mid Days one morning. They will speak some engli= sh, > as there isn't a Navajo word for everything... they was a basketball play= by > play game on the air one night and that was done entirely in english. >=20 > KTNN does play some older/classic country music and they play some newer > stuff. >=20 > I realize this is an AM Stereo list, but we need to stop complaining when= a > station runs in Mono... we should be lucky to have music on AM at all. No= t > every station wants to run AM Stereo or sees any point to it. >=20 > Paul Walker > www.onairdj.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > > 3a. Re: KTNN AM 660 > > Posted > > by: "Powell E. Way III" w4opw@... > > W4OPW > > Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:24 am (PDT) > > Announced in Navajo? > > > > http://www.ktnnonline.com/ > > > > Powell > > > > NNNN > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, jimsmith95650@...< > > jimsmith95650@... > wrote: > > > > > Hi Gang I am happy > > > to report that KTNN AM 660 is playing music all night long > > > now. They are still in mono though. Jim Smith > > > > Back to top <#1203289c2917dfbe_toc> > > Reply to sender | Rep= ly > > to group > > |= Reply > > via web post > > > > Messages in this topic > > (4) > > 3b. Re: KTNN AM 660 > > Posted > > by: "W6YN Don Milbury" w6yn@... > > w6yn > > Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:39 pm (PDT) Love > > those pow wow drums! > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > > From: "Powell E. Way III" > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 > > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:26:30 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Announced in Navajo? > > > > http://www.ktnnonline.com/ > > > > Powell > > > > NNNN > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, jimsmith95650@...< > > jimsmith95650@... > wrote: > > > > > Hi Gang I am happy > > > to report that KTNN AM 660 is playing music all night long > > > now. They are still in mono though. Jim Smith > > > > Back to top <#1203289c2917dfbe_toc> > > Reply to sender | Repl= y > > to group > > |= Reply > > via web post > > > > Messages in this topic > > (4) > > 3c. Re: KTNN AM 660 > > Posted > > by: "jimsmith95650@..." jimsmith95650@... > > jimsmith956= 50@... > > Sun Mar 22, 2009 > > 9:59 pm (PDT) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, > > "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote: > > > > > > Love those pow wow drums! > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > > > From: "Powell E. Way III" > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 > > > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:26:30 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > > > > > > > Announced in Navajo? > > > > > > > > > http://www.ktnnonline.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Powell > > > > > > > > > NNNN > > > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, jimsmith95650@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Gang I am happy > > > > to report that KTNN AM 660 is playing music all night long > > > > now. They are still in mono though. Jim Smith > > > > > Hi Gang Thay play mostly newer country western music. I rather them pla= y > > classic country in 660 AM STEREO of corse. At least its music on AM!!!!= Jim > > smith > > > > Back to top <#1203289c2917dfbe_toc> > > Reply to sender > > | Reply > > to group > > |= Reply > > via web post > > > > Messages in this topic > > (4) > > 4.1. New file uploaded to amstereoforum > > Posted > > by: "amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com" amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:53 pm (PDT) > > Hello, > > > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum > > group. > > > > File : /McMartin BA-2.5K Main Schematic Diagram.png > > Uploaded by : jotape1960 > > > Description : Main Schematic of the McMartin BA-2.5K AM MW TX > > > > You can access this file at the URL: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/McMartin%20BA-2.5K%20= Main%20Schematic%20Diagram.png > > > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > > > > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html= files > > > > Regards, > > > > jotape1960 > > > > > > > Back to top <#1203289c2917dfbe_toc> > > Reply to sender > > | Reply > > to group > > | Reply > > via web post > > > > Messages in this topic > > (383) > > Sitebuilder > > > > Build a web site > > > > quickly & easily > > > > with Sitebuilder. > > Cat Zone > > > > on Yahoo! Groups > > > > Join a Group > > > > all about cats. > > Yahoo! Groups > > > > Stay healthy > > > > and discover other > > > > people who can help. > > Need to Reply? > > > > Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the > > Daily Digest. > > Create New Topic > > | Visit > > Your Group on the Web > > Messages| > > Files| > > Photos| > > Links > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum > > MARKETPLACE > > Do you think you're Smart? Find out your IQ today. Take our quiz at > > Quizyou.net. > > ------------------------------ > > ------------------------------ > > From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods > > > > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > > Change settings via the Web(Yahoo! ID r= equired) > > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual| Switch > > format to Traditional > > Visit Your Group > > | Yahoo! > > Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.onairdj.com > walkerbroadcasting@... >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi That was my main point that thay droped the trucker talk show thay had f= rom 10 pm to 3 am pst nightly and are greatfuly playing music on AM 660 all= night long. More music on AM the better!!! Jim Smith From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 07:47:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42133 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2009 14:08:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2009 14:08:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2009 14:08:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46187 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 2009 14:08:21 -0000 Message-ID: <634239.45337.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: oh3zvqsVM1nXMvAjtDxkJ.8_ZG9_rsXf.HnxLSB0tjOqVRQD9SPBfa4Bnd6aC4K6iqEc0CcRvk.NVyrSlUOCi5SurIba.QVU0H3GWn_ZVqHGY3AJHeMPnJq_C7djO4mvwKQOmxXGLHESKymz16jA2xJR3071kgKuSGo5AvF4GB5HAg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:08:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.1.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 07:08:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=RYmUIokoF_nTG-wbk6SYoMHb1j8MQEXg6OWoIil8X7eGoJwG_gBp_nU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Maybe WNMB can talk these two talk shows into providing stereo feeds? From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 12:15:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21629 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2009 17:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2009 17:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2009 17:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2009 17:09:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2009 17:09:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:09:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090323.092801.2833.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.2 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1ozlnN9ljWos-3eOCKey1zXpx8_gC0-ula0QVkQ7ddqMZp3pvw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 If I was a USA citizen and I'd have enough money, I could use "my" McMartin= in Nashville area!!! Hahahahahaha!!! Of course, I doubt the FCC lets me operate any station inside USA borders, = even so if they knew what I think about them, Hahahahaha!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote= : > > One for one: > Nashville-area WDKN (1260) goes dark, after 53 years. "Country Connection= " WDKN, Dickson. The order came last Thursday morning to turn out the light= s at noon. >=20 > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "W6YN Don Milbury" > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:37:59 GMT >=20 > Love those pow wow drums! >=20 > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "Powell E. Way III" > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:26:30 -0700 (PDT) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Announced in Navajo?=20=20 >=20 >=20 > http://www.ktnnonline.com/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, jimsmith95650@... wrote: >=20 >=20 > > Hi Gang I am happy > > to report that KTNN AM 660 is playing music all night long > > now. They are still in mono though. Jim Smith > From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Mar 24 15:17:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84344 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2009 18:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2009 18:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2009 18:51:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70714 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 2009 18:51:25 -0000 Message-ID: <943288.70399.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: jOAAWSYVM1nu2CKDYQdUOzXfhlEPNdNTAZHLJ_3K1v3PBmHPAGfrVZC.OfiMgLUP1lB5PR6MeTmPaXt_WqnXFkbtTJV6fpvCt.JYgckJiRexD3oXjIUUZm.eHhOciI70bpci00Z.oBxXeoEjdJHY7ME.IduXLtvyN_qm3Holdr_DzRRuMUp4RxU9VsbSzMpQ5vPhZ0CYFDzAF64k2sJgwTIQ X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:51:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.1.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:51:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Talk shows and politicians love AM stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=OHMEhNfSmbQqH_zR95jXnswh2ZiNAuESFb9s8fE8BRk X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW ..... BECAUSE they can talk out of BOTH sides of their mouth, and when necessary, use PLATFORM SHIFT to their advantage.... Powell ( ducking) NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 3/24/09, John P. wrote: > Maybe WNMB can talk these two talk shows into providing > stereo feeds? From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Mar 25 03:02:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78686 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2009 10:02:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2009 10:02:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2009 10:02:12 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 2so1721539ywt.23 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:02:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.150.200.8 with SMTP id x8mr16800667ybf.188.1237975332703; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:02:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80903250301u13fd0a51m94d0bd631a6507b7@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bce0fe80903250301u13fd0a51m94d0bd631a6507b7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:02:12 -0500 Message-ID: <8bce0fe80903250302i625b2eackc66135649a6feec7@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: KTNN-AM 660 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=lBzdYg23G0QVLGpS5382XdmlwTuN4GnIoAtxesF_dnlvWWa76JAeO1IW X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You're right, the FCC wouldn't let you own a station.. as a foreigner, you'= d > only be entitled to about 20 percent ownership....and it is very, very ra= re > for a foreigner to own any part of a station in the USA. > > Uncommon? No.. but not a frequent occurance. > > ALTHOUGH... a man in Ireland owns , I think 20 percent of about a dozen > stations in Wyoming owned by Legend Communications! (not the company Mich= ael > in Evanston works for) > > Paul Walker > www.onairdj.com > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:54 AM, wrote: > > > Posted by: "jotape1960" jotape1960@yahoo.com > jotape1960 > Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:15 pm (PDT) I= f > I was a USA citizen and I'd have enough money, I could use "my" McMartin = in > Nashville area!!! Hahahahahaha!!! > > Of course, I doubt the FCC lets me operate any station inside USA borders= , > even so if they knew what I think about them, Hahahahaha!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > --=20 Sincerely, Paul B. 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(big_h00pla@75.120.193.226 with plain) by smtp119.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2009 02:58:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sYTCT08VM1lRy00Ro8xYT6suQaJt_tVUCwdMHPu2mVBWXyZRGHcK0hhNd_G427iF4fd2iDNN9bcRN1_zogGpOGnRAnf.F_MEOFELSXx3m17v8K.T2RrKA8LZu8bOvsTBDipkglpnM8oO.hYgM4J6_TEZiB5bblpdFWTtE7F43PxBR3O16QIn5GxS63OVuwcAOSXwJiEOpiZvq7zhN9hMAQpm1N6ipAB1DpNjEKGq X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system In-Reply-To: <00c501c9a9d1$9c268940$d503fea9@stodd> References: <00c501c9a9d1$9c268940$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <80481D79-9AA5-4B63-8CAC-1D538A0D88C0@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:58:17 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your transmission range? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=QyVVH65eCsI2YCa3x-7NGYgg69x_X1pFiB1Blkg9pCGSGk3ySA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Mar 2009 17:53:26 -0000 I forwarded it to Mike, Scott. He'll get it soon enough when he opens=20=20 his mail. Kevin On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:56 PM, wrote: > The guy at KEVA would have to answer that one for sure, but I don't=20=20 > think so. One thing you will need to do is to measure the output=20=20 > of that chip with an oscilloscope and match the output of the=20=20 > AspiSys so it's the same amplitude for feeding the next stage. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jotape1960 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:34 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: A question to Sotiris & C-QUAM extends your=20=20 > transmission range? > > > Of course I'll do it!!! Hehehehe!!! > > Will I need some extra element? (Coil, resistance, condenser, etc.) > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: >> >> It's still not that difficult. You feed the stereo signal after=20=20 >> that divider chip. You might have to cut a circuit board trace,=20=20 >> add a switch, a cable and a BNC connector to go from the internal=20=20 >> oscillator to the external AspiSys unit. >> >> Scott Todd >> >>> It would be perfect, if it was not because a "minor" thing:=20=20 >>> McMartin crystals work with twice the final carrier frecuency. In=20=20 >>> my case: the crystal gives 2520 KHZ. There is an IC who makes the=20=20 >>> "magic" work and divided it by two, leaving the final 1260 KHZ. >> >> >> >> >> >> --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://=20 >> www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://=20 > www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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(big_h00pla@72.161.198.227 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2009 23:39:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: vqKUPfwVM1m9NH3k5hKrEsvH0WgQqOiaqCLMEIoQ0weLiZBuKDUlQZnvNoqQ0HV71TnASD.WUKImBzcEuI8MZMhJ3BpHMxXcCUBeJHxNGo.nmraCqdpkFEHDeoM3TJYfO40guYDQdG0C1uFxmbI31IhE8kUJp1PzQR5rzid3JFuiJyOdMRbtN9_aK9eu1tkzPtQvtmOgIBA2Pb_BFvBU_Qs1rFwU5mKHO6WTN9Vn X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20090321223355.C934477C8B@sodium.vcn.com> References: <20090321223355.C934477C8B@sodium.vcn.com> Message-Id: <88B6A97E-CBC4-4720-9B5B-39FECEDE0314@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:39:28 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Paging WYOMING MICHAEL - McMartin Xmit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=CheOpa2BBvCKMqdRufTx5E4P6g0mVlT_SsuCHqcuPmTg5JxJZg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 25 Mar 2009 17:54:04 -0000 On Mar 21, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Michael J. Richard wrote: > Hey thanks Kevin. I can=92t believe you=92re still on that forum. I = =20 > don=92t know who the original poster is. If one of you guys (you,=20=20 > Scott, or John) could just tell him it=92s Bob Carter that helped ME=20=20 > with the mods. There really wasn=92t anything to it other than=20=20 > putting a resistor inline for the input between the exciter and the=20=20 > transmitter. > > Mike > > > From: kevin redding [mailto:big_h00pla@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 7:25 PM > To: Michael J. Richard > Subject: Fwd: {AMSF} Paging WYOMING MICHAEL - McMartin Xmit > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: > Date: March 20, 2009 8:04:53 PM CDT > To: > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Paging WYOMING MICHAEL - McMartin Xmit > Reply-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > His was a kilowatt unit, but the modifications should be nearly the=20=20 > same. The station is KEVA. You might want to look up the website=20=20 > and get a hold of him that way. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John P. > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:55 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Paging WYOMING MICHAEL - McMartin Xmit > > > > There was a gentlemen, Michael, from WYOMING, who worked at a=20=20 > station or two that had the McMartin transmitters that he added C-=20 > Quam to. > Maybe we can get his input. > > John > > > > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://=20 > www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Mar 26 10:48:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11894 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2009 17:48:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2009 17:48:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2009 17:48:45 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.91] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090326124815102616200010.0) with SMTP id <20090326124815102616200010> for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:48:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001f01c9ae3c$0a56c7e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <634239.45337.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:48:15 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=H4hEVX8-rtkcn0EWjHGVjL9VeTlb_85odE7qjsz3n05WYmUc0PAf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This reminds me of something I've been meaning to post here. One of our stations is flipping to business talk next week. Say what you will about his politics, Lou Dobbs is in stereo and his program still comes on the Starguide system which is typically dual mono channels. AFAIK his is the only one like that now, but with the newer satellite receivers such as the XDS used by ABC and Premiere, the MAX from Westwood, and that new Wegener one that Dial Global (ex Jones) is using, going stereo will be so easy for any talk program that turning off the stereo will be unnecessary and even possibly undesireable. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: {AMSF} (unknown) Maybe WNMB can talk these two talk shows into providing stereo feeds? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 11:57:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25132 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2009 18:57:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 26 Mar 2009 18:57:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2009 18:57:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2009 18:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2009 18:57:32 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:57:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c9ae3c$0a56c7e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.43 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=SNlPU-E2x87X19YxRZPB697Ar_Vv6QabBQljxLatcZaOch_gTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I can't see any reason to turning off an stereo system, even if the audio s= ource is mono. A talk show can be stereo (with one person in the left side and the other i= n the right side and the audience catched with stereo mikes). News can be in stereo (the stereo bed music and/or the stereo street noise = could be a very nice effect). Sports can be in stereo (the whole stadium can be split into left and right= sides). In other words, there is no reason to transmit in mono if you can do it in = stereo. Just my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > This reminds me of something I've been meaning to post here. One of our = stations is flipping to business talk next week. Say what you will about h= is politics, Lou Dobbs is in stereo and his program still comes on the Star= guide system which is typically dual mono channels. AFAIK his is the only = one like that now, but with the newer satellite receivers such as the XDS u= sed by ABC and Premiere, the MAX from Westwood, and that new Wegener one th= at Dial Global (ex Jones) is using, going stereo will be so easy for any ta= lk program that turning off the stereo will be unnecessary and even possibl= y undesireable. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: John P.=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:48 AM > Subject: {AMSF} (unknown) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Maybe WNMB can talk these two talk shows into providing stereo feeds? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 12:08:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61412 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2009 19:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2009 19:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2009 19:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2009 19:06:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2009 19:06:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:06:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.43 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A non AM question but a radio question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=bWqyaO38JTj1JB8w-5vCSnXfNO_Od03RfXs4am0oaYDAg_AmIA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I need your help about a non AM issue, but radio issue. I have to fill an infamous RD-4 form about a "Delta-H" calculation. It is i= ntended to FM (VHF) stations. I don't have the math equation to get it. I know I have to get a topographic map, which I already have, draw 8 radial= s from the transmit tower (as the center of a great circular area of 25 kms= of radio). Also, I know I have to get the height, above the sea level, of = all the kilometers of each radial and order it in a descending order. But, then... What? Please, HELP ME!!! A little help please. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Mar 27 05:33:46 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45111 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2009 12:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n68d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.93) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1238157222; bh=LfRD1Ykqo4TVAUef9OI4omroU0cQNU2sXDTWu6SDfaY=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=CsqKNeWtiEHsbBgFTvFnHsyTpMhIvvci6GRBoJWA9Bl9go9O57LLst71y+pIqmmUbvLxMwlvAVShmRrRpF+SlSFtX5aJ9FzMkn28ClQMZHltdYNeDFT/xepiK45Q5vIu Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n68.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:42 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:42 -0000 X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16879 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 20:50:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 20 Mar 2009 20:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.145) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 20:50:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 20:50:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 20:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2009 20:50:40 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 677551.74164.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 8467 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2009 20:50:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.193.226 with plain) by smtp118.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2009 20:50:40 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: d5efm0QVM1nxfJqqGQectI0KpG0bqIS5uhdhQPIHTfP4HI3ZUPvAa3oTi4GjvB_wJ0HqBhuCTztVX2Rvn9DDqU02uTbrdNXaKHmgTaeqsGti2E8KwHGKe_rklXpJ4txBybDvcdhHXnRf.LOYsDJj.Aafw80FuLXxTTYZ2qWXXzhHugpSYFCJi_ygyuMxsz_mlYyjznQTx8yRu8M_m_rSkvIQjA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7D2BA617-BEA8-44AC-BF32-EB2198A15019@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:50:39 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More Stations Go Dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=qrpTgRxagTIJjnNs_nOrdDq5X4yP3kbtTy2Z1nF3sYY42dNb3g X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:40 -0000 On Mar 20, 2009, at 2:20 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Look on the bright side. There may be some scrapped towers that > Juan could > get his guy wire insulators from. Fewer stations = better DX. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Mar 27 05:33:46 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79624 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2009 12:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n60d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.85) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1238157222; bh=MyyyE3L44meloTrBCLXmcoUd+Kq2cDf1v7S7IOImpXY=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=IT8oknSmBI5I8iwBHSvnfYyAPaHmtu3zS7xP5L0VVWE+RDFsG8cRbSx7VSPl5Rrg8Z4oyp59EGJiyzKOdXZbN6UQDZ7+pIkM0cZT2Esu2egQvUDta6sYcNJDj/dsgcpd Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n60.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:42 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:42 -0000 X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4144 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2009 21:47:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2009 21:47:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.147) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 21:47:06 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2009 21:47:06 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.245] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2009 21:47:06 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2009 21:47:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 990444.91706.bm@omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 19006 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2009 21:47:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@72.161.198.227 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2009 21:47:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WiFtVxEVM1kCAbbH5f6e2qG_BY3cFQhFAP_X0HhhGIloJYFa1VBVufPp87cKaB3oNvzDvnKAvNsKK6j2FAbiijglzNsaCpgaYjiJXAFnsIZPRPZSuCLIL8PChvzELx7TGIVMgNvPUeTtmCRf4R5yLFQ.fFDfdV5YUr3p7U8n3h2fU.S9qguULCI4j9M- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20090323.092801.2833.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> References: <20090323.092801.2833.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:47:04 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} KTNN AM 660 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=Cmd0K_gGCNlcxpDJjn0uT1snkNnu8UkIESe-T_1H_HavCPc-sQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:41 -0000 Don, I find this of great interest. Its virtually a local to me. Kevin On Mar 23, 2009, at 4:28 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Nashville-area WDKN (1260) goes dark, after 53 years. "Country > Connection" WDKN, Dickson. The order came last Thursday morning to > turn out the lights at noon. 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(big_h00pla@72.161.198.227 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2009 19:08:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 6g0otwwVM1ktFoRIZfN3vjRxVt1eS8LMLZFlksC2NFTcYYN1iBa0hWoniw8Jg.rmWXlx.SFk_o10vhUFKnP5bMNJbVEJlhMhck7Z7T79vtvVsaf3gZV9oIUL8Rg0WuO7E_IIWZU33JwM_3GmeiFDHvgrjRIqIFiDmKCowGwwcJNh.AaDv8EK3HsIQ0dQdGMktgT0MOJv2f8CfxyhR.Fy888OsNmU3dz0TLO2XNKOkG8LNgsT1g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <634239.45337.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <634239.45337.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8F12EA08-ED22-434A-AC61-538D490759D4@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:08:08 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.86.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: ABDX Presents the WHTB Test X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=8LpoUD14NHn4lDDgyr0O_l3ZOzF9bFwBYj-LdiLdDjx8Fd9zgw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:41 -0000 ABDX Presents the WHTB 1400 Test! Thanks to Jay Rogers: WHTB/1400-Fall River, Ma. will conduct its DX test this Sunday from 1-2 E.D.T./05:00-06:00 G.M.T. (to accommodate European DXers). Reception reports should be sent to the same addresses as WSAR: WHTB 1 Home St. Fall River, Ma. 02725 U.S.A. -or- via e-mail: production@wsar.com. WHTB is 1kW non-directional mono on 1400kHz. 73 & good luck! Jay From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Mar 27 05:34:45 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60636 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2009 12:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n35a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.129) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1238157231; bh=08kWEiuqhdcRvUxewJkGs2ozeSwe0QIy6djiKsKyX0Q=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=cQwdwKcIwppb2BcRV1XzBGBf183usYugpt06x4UUfbTahq1UE4+JNzI0xegYKWC5p2yWY7XiCwNPmQpLfPR1cVBlBgazHjDh2K0wou3XsBLyHJz+FLHcgdtJw9eCIOWG Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:51 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:51 -0000 X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66020 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2009 19:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2009 19:19:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com) (216.252.100.57) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2009 19:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2009 19:16:41 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.67] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2009 19:16:41 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2009 19:16:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 658464.84397.bm@omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 34284 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2009 19:16:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.195.60 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2009 19:16:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ljKRqo8VM1kdNzBI3HG4tbmXvp8q1LiAUGkYjoy.PcmFfHCYdBgDom76dWZdm31eiqAq4ZCfazMPvnAyEtBd28nSZR5wUfU2pEpuVcGs8a.WXsaNeiulmsLrdjfWatUv2AdpbzrVpvTyi16TWYJVQNrCzieY5s_O5J4epCAbfMV96qr_jX1d6KHKJue0a1q0KcebPd3HzKXCSMCrGymDCafu X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system In-Reply-To: <001f01c9ae3c$0a56c7e0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <634239.45337.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001f01c9ae3c$0a56c7e0$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <02A60426-4439-414B-9A40-1446DAF9BBE2@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:16:40 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 216.252.100.57 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=NB8PPEOtSwunFJWRWjWKIm26IHpdAVAcq5sOHGOsgPFwx27s5w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 27 Mar 2009 12:33:50 -0000 On Mar 26, 2009, at 12:48 PM, wrote: > This reminds me of something I've been meaning to post here. One > of our stations is flipping to business talk next week. That would be KYCR 1570, right? > Say what you will about his politics, Lou Dobbs is in stereo and > his program still comes on the Starguide system which is typically > dual mono channels. Is KYCR stereo and if it streams is the stream in stereo. I gotta tell you that 790 KFGO is on the net streaming in stereo and the ads in stereo jump right out at you and when they are in stereo it sounds sweet. > AFAIK his is the only one like that now, but with the newer > satellite receivers such as the XDS used by ABC and Premiere, the > MAX from Westwood, and that new Wegener one that Dial Global (ex > Jones) is using, going stereo will be so easy for any talk program > that turning off the stereo will be unnecessary and even possibly > undesireable. The people I work for use the Wegener satellite receivers and I like them. Kevin From wnmb@sc.rr.com Fri Mar 27 06:18:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38037 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2009 13:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 27 Mar 2009 13:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2009 13:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 13:18:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 13:18:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:18:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.63.227.62 From: "Bill Norman" Subject: Re: The End Of Music on AM Stereo WNMB ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=nn_hZqBqa_I41PJHKgbvQn-zZEOGu8SNv2pgA_2jq2Wnhg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Juan, While we are transitioning to some talk programming, we are not going to dr= op our music. It will play all weekends and many of the weekday hurs as wel= l. We will also continue to broadcast in AM Stereo and we will continue to = promote it. Bill owner, wnmb --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Juan Gualda" wrote: > > While looking at the WNMB website I noticed they have added the Fred Thom= pson show, with plans to add Glen Beck soon. Also mentions of more talk on = the way. >=20 >=20 > Hmmm >=20 >=20 > Juan > Fort Pierce, FL > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Mar 27 06:52:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14363 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2009 13:52:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2009 13:52:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.240) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2009 13:52:49 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c38so633010ana.29 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:52:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.133.2 with SMTP id g2mr1736662and.134.1238161969488; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.34.124.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.34.124.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c14sm95195ana.41.2009.03.27.06.52.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <988E8DF2-5EF6-42EA-8245-6374955EC894@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:52:41 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The End Of Music on AM Stereo WNMB ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Q2g3k9GxQtdUrUy1nLz6ih6Slh0wCtPYbbMycHrtjYK4QhSActTBZHHWG-MbOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mar 27, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Bill Norman wrote: > While we are transitioning to some talk programming, we are not > going to drop our music. It will play all weekends and many of the > weekday hurs as well. We will also continue to broadcast in AM > Stereo and we will continue to promote it. Hi Bill, I am glad to see you are still on this Group. I am glad to know WNMB will continue in CQUAM AM Stereo as it is one of the BEST sounding stations in South Carolina. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Mar 27 07:03:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93838 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2009 14:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2009 14:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2009 14:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 14:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 14:01:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:01:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Rangemaster in C-QuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=al6hovzC7lPcJj_Nv3G26eBcSFMDkTiaKlyxyRwu35R2 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have 3 AM Stereo Exciters. Delta ASE 2 Harris AMS-G1 BE AX-10 And of course an AM1k Rangemaster. I would like to experiment with running a C-QuAM exciter with the Rangemast= er. it's my understanding that the AMS exciter acts as the oscillator in a AMS = tx. it generates the stereo phase and the mono audio is fed to the tx audio inp= ut and then everything is setup to sound in sync. the question is where do i feed the quam? where the crystal would go or do = i have to feed it in up the oscillator chain some more. all my exciters have TTL out on them. From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Mar 27 08:45:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13684 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2009 15:45:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2009 15:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2009 15:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 15:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 15:45:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:44:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.149.16.45 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: The End Of Music on AM Stereo WNMB ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=4eIzhjgVPg5ujyJGqXc4VaX9PzzsklvvTwfCN9TI3wxjLwI X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > Juan, > While we are transitioning to some talk programming, we are not going to = drop our music. It will play all weekends and many of the weekday hurs as w= ell. We will also continue to broadcast in AM Stereo and we will continue t= o promote it. > Bill > owner, wnmb >=20 Good to hear Bill... PS..Thanks for playing "Brown Eyed Girl" by Jimmy Buffett a few days ago. I= t's nice to hear another version of the classic Van Morrison tune now and t= hen....that's of the things I like about WNMB, and why I would hate to lose= the music. Juan From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Mar 27 08:57:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88253 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2009 15:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2009 15:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2009 15:55:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 15:55:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 15:55:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:55:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.149.16.45 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: The End Of Music on AM Stereo WNMB ?. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=wg5O7EsAH4UVoOvj6a8LFEh8KVcOBEi2__sDjwvs0IFPDaA X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Norman" wrote: > > Juan, > While we are transitioning to some talk programming, we are not going to = drop our music. It will play all weekends and many of the weekday hurs as w= ell. We will also continue to broadcast in AM Stereo and we will continue t= o promote it. > Bill > owner, wnmb Bill, I forgot to mention this in my last message... If you get a chance, check out my "Carolina Beach, Southern Soul & Oldies" = show, called the "Big John Beach Show" on WODR, Cool 105.3 FM. Sunday at 12= Noon. Let me know what you think. If all goes well, I will be adding a sec= ond and third station in the next couple months. Juan aka Big John Sunny Fort Pierce, Florida U.S.A. From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 27 09:07:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98436 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2009 16:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2009 16:03:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2009 16:03:38 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c45.2d97af44 (34929) for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:03:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.154]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA042-5c3c49ccf8c8148; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:03:31 -0400 X-Received: from MBLK-M04 (mblk-m04.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.37]) by smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB032-5c3c49ccf8c8148; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:03:20 -0400 References: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:03:19 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42169-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M04.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.37) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:03:19 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB7D0CAE5ECAF6-D4-3785@MBLK-M04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non AM question but a radio question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Xuyor1mDEdUGf5uqWs_eZLd0dZqMsR-RR-KCEspa-GgUPYf5l3Aso2QWDwlGzfYG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is this the same thing as the HAAT (Height Above Average Terrain) calculati= on? Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 2:06 pm Subject: {AMSF} A non AM question but a radio question Hi Gang!!! I need your help about a non AM issue, but radio issue. I have to fill an infamous RD-4 form about a "Delta-H" calculation. It is i= ntended to FM (VHF) stations. I don't have the math equation to get it. I know I have to get a topographic map, which I already have, draw 8 radial= s from the transmit tower (as the center of a great circular area of 25 kms= of radio). Also, I know I have to get the height, above the sea level, of = all the kilometers of each radial and order it in a descending order. But, then... What? Please, HELP ME!!! A little help please. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 27 09:10:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51161 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2009 16:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 27 Mar 2009 16:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2009 16:09:14 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cf0.53d8c2e6 (37143) for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:09:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.152]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA035-5bc549ccfa181ed; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:09:10 -0400 X-Received: from MBLK-M04 (mblk-m04.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.37]) by smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB014-5bc549ccfa181ed; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:08:56 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:08:56 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42169-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M04.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.37) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:08:56 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB7D0D770EA041-D4-37CF@MBLK-M04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=r4nqFJ2o-EtYw00JNzS4ZiSyS7mu3xPYT1KccKoO3TW687FZOIT4YuwJ2cgc6vk9 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A talk show can be stereo (with one person in the left side and the other i= n the right side and the audience catched with stereo mikes). This is NOT the way to mic a stereo talk program.=C2=A0 It's call schizo-mi= king. There can be problem driving L and R from the a common source.=C2=A0 This p= roblem is seen more in FM Stereo than AM Stereo.=C2=A0 Small differences in= phasing=C2=A0due to=C2=A0different signal paths can cause frequency sensit= ive cancellation in receiver. Mike -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 1:57 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) I can't see any reason to turning off an stereo system, even if the audio s= ource is mono. A talk show can be stereo (with one person in the left side and the other i= n the right side and the audience catched with stereo mikes). News can be in stereo (the stereo bed music and/or the stereo street noise = could be a very nice effect). Sports can be in stereo (the whole stadium can be split into left and right= sides). In other words, there is no reason to transmit in mono if you can do it in = stereo. Just my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > This reminds me of something I've been meaning to post here. One of our s= tations is flipping to business talk next week. Say what you will about his= politics,20Lou Dobbs is in stereo and his program still comes on the Starg= uide system which is typically dual mono channels. AFAIK his is the only on= e like that now, but with the newer satellite receivers such as the XDS use= d by ABC and Premiere, the MAX from Westwood, and that new Wegener one that= Dial Global (ex Jones) is using, going stereo will be so easy for any talk= program that turning off the stereo will be unnecessary and even possibly = undesireable. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: John P.=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:48 AM > Subject: {AMSF} (unknown) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Maybe WNMB can talk these two talk shows into providing stereo feeds? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 27 09:18:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35016 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2009 16:17:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2009 16:17:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2009 16:17:42 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c19.53066bbe (37530) for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:17:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB013-5c5149ccfc16286; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:17:37 -0400 X-Received: from MBLK-M04 (mblk-m04.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.37]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA027-5c5149ccfc16286; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:17:26 -0400 References: <634239.45337.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001f01c9ae3c$0a56c7e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:17:25 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <001f01c9ae3c$0a56c7e0$d503fea9@stodd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42169-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by MBLK-M04.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.37) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:17:25 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB7D0EA64DC1AA-D4-384C@MBLK-M04.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8sj_nbYIaFV3YxrGi2adGnlz_qZA8Tzvtr492js0s3_99Fz30WZkkynjI4JSAQz6 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't have problem with Lou Dobb's politics.? Populism is where liberals and true conservatives come together. More on thread, his show is correctly mic'ed for stereo. Mike -----Original Message----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:48 pm Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) This reminds me of something I've been meaning to post here. One of our stations is flipping to business talk next week. Say what you will about his politics, Lou Dobbs is in stereo and his program still comes on the Starguide system which is typically dual mono channels. AFAIK his is the only one like that now, but with the newer satellite receivers such as the XDS used by ABC and Premiere, the MAX from Westwood, and that new Wegener one that Dial Global (ex Jones) is using, going stereo will be so easy for any talk program that turning off the stereo will be unnecessary and even possibly undesireable. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: {AMSF} (unknown) Maybe WNMB can talk these two talk shows into providing stereo feeds? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 27 16:32:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3813 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2009 23:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2009 23:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2009 23:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 23:31:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 23:31:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:31:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CB7D0CAE5ECAF6-D4-3785@MBLK-M04.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.196 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non AM question but a radio question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=vQGhFajzR5yGIyLiivzcvhJSqgs2Bdb_QXK0LjCQ9GY7PRCObw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I don't know!!! According to SUBTEL (the chilean FCC) this calculations are to get the fina= l service area of one FM station. ??? My question is, if I know there is nothing highest to the antenna, around t= he antenna, in the near 20 kms (and I guess it is the maximun service area = expected to a 250 Wts TX), Why do I have to calculate with heights up to 50= kms? Even so, Why and For What to order it in descending order? Do you know some web page to get more information about it? By the way, How is the vertical propagation shape of a vertical polarized s= imple 1/2 wave dipole? Is there some math equation to get it? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Is this the same thing as the HAAT (Height Above Average Terrain) calcula= tion? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: jotape1960 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 2:06 pm > Subject: {AMSF} A non AM question but a radio question >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I need your help about a non AM issue, but radio issue. >=20 > I have to fill an infamous RD-4 form about a "Delta-H" calculation. It is= intended to FM (VHF) stations. >=20 > I don't have the math equation to get it. >=20 > I know I have to get a topographic map, which I already have, draw 8 radi= als from the transmit tower (as the center of a great circular area of 25 k= ms of radio). Also, I know I have to get the height, above the sea level, o= f all the kilometers of each radial and order it in a descending order. >=20 > But, then... What? >=20 > Please, HELP ME!!! >=20 > A little help please. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 27 16:55:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61860 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2009 23:55:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Mar 2009 23:55:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2009 23:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 23:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Mar 2009 23:55:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:55:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8CB7D0D770EA041-D4-37CF@MBLK-M04.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.181 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=WCavn6h0ozB-RZ6N89dpWo-IwBrtG4Qkmup7wBozTHtWOh3PzA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Yes, you're right: the stereo phasing cancellation could kill the best engi= neer reputation. But it is that way more often with "moving parts" (theatre stages). Talk sh= ow schemes (at least here, in Chile) are often with "set parts" (all the pe= ople sit down on fix places) and with one ultra-unidirectional mike per peo= ple, very close to each mouth. Even so, there could be phasing effects this= way, too. I heard somebody to say: "the best solution is to use only one full omnidir= ectional mike (like the vertical large diaphragm mikes) in the exact center= of the talk table, with all the guests around it, at the same distance." I can be a witness that this is a very good solution, a lot of times. Whatever, I never have heard a talk show picked with the "schizo" way in th= e "guest part". Only the "applause part" and the music bed. I mean: here, i= n Chile, in the FM band. Maybe it could be interesting. ??? Whatever, my point was: a talk show ISN'T a good excuse to turn off the ste= reo. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > >=20 >=20 > A talk show can be stereo (with one person in the left side and the other= in the right side and the audience catched with stereo mikes). >=20 >=20 > This is NOT the way to mic a stereo talk program.=C2=A0 It's call schizo-= miking. >=20 > There can be problem driving L and R from the a common source.=C2=A0 This= problem is seen more in FM Stereo than AM Stereo.=C2=A0 Small differences = in phasing=C2=A0due to=C2=A0different signal paths can cause frequency sens= itive cancellation in receiver. >=20 > Mike >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: jotape1960 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 1:57 pm > Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I can't see any reason to turning off an stereo system, even if the audio= source is mono. >=20 > A talk show can be stereo (with one person in the left side and the other= in the right side and the audience catched with stereo mikes). >=20 > News can be in stereo (the stereo bed music and/or the stereo street nois= e could be a very nice effect). >=20 > Sports can be in stereo (the whole stadium can be split into left and rig= ht sides). >=20 > In other words, there is no reason to transmit in mono if you can do it i= n stereo. >=20 > Just my humble opinion. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > This reminds me of something I've been meaning to post here. One of our= stations is flipping to business talk next week. Say what you will about h= is politics,20Lou Dobbs is in stereo and his program still comes on the Sta= rguide system which is typically dual mono channels. AFAIK his is the only = one like that now, but with the newer satellite receivers such as the XDS u= sed by ABC and Premiere, the MAX from Westwood, and that new Wegener one th= at Dial Global (ex Jones) is using, going stereo will be so easy for any ta= lk program that turning off the stereo will be unnecessary and even possibl= y undesireable. > >=20 > > Scott Todd > >=20 > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: John P.=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 8:48 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} (unknown) > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Maybe WNMB can talk these two talk shows into providing stereo feeds? > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfam= ily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Mar 27 17:28:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59874 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2009 00:28:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2009 00:28:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.39) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2009 00:28:26 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imr-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d06.4fc7b2e8 (30740) for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:28:08 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non AM question but a radio question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=SIzaXHZg08C5jt97QAHDj4S9qfsjM8lNz_OXc7J4Du7OajTTY8adQbvLBXbqPbT3 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, That is the same thing as Height Above Average Terrain (HAAT). This expression, combined with the station's Effective Radiated Power (ERP) is used to estimate the station's coverage. There is a FCC prescribed methodology for calculating both. There may even be an online calculator someplace on the Web. Effective Radiated Power is the theoretical power an isotropic (radiates equally in all directions) source would need to have to produce the same field strength. In the United States, FM stations must radiate their ERP with horizontal polarization. Because of the later migration of FM from the home to cars, stations also radiate power with vertical polarization for car radio mast antennas. When a station radiates in both planes, it can be either elliptical or circularly polarized depending on the ratio of vertically to horizontally polarized power. FM station have an efficiency factor which combines the losses in the transmission line and gain in the antenna array which is usually two or more bays, the exception being LPFM and pirates who use single omnidirectional turnstile antennas. This factor is unique to the station and is determined by design and empirical field intensity measurements. All FM stations that I am aware of have a factor of at least unity. The stations operating power is determines by taking the transmission line current, multiplying it by the transmission line impedance (which is almost always 50 ohms), and the efficiency factor. Generally, stations east of the Mississippi River are limited to 50,000 watts of ERP. West of the Mississippi, that limit goes to 100,000 watts. Most FM stations are Class C and run close to the maximum allowable power. Although Al Gore would have a fit for me saying this, it is the usual practice to go with more ERP than a taller tower as capital costs for antenna arrays and transmitters is less than tall towers. The maximum HAAT is 2,000 feet. FM antennas are generally located to take advantage of the natural topography so not all the height is the tower. For example, the San Francisco Bay Area is served by antennas atop Mount Sutro. There are exceptions that were grandfathered in from the early days of FM. There were, and are, FM stations with ERPs well in excess of 100 kW. The effective coverage of FM stations compared to AM stations is a matter of some debate. A 100 kW FM station with an antenna with a full 2,000 feet HAAT, has coverage comparable to a 50 kW mid-dial AM station over typical terrain. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Mar 28 01:07:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35469 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2009 08:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2009 08:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2009 08:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.152] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090328030647102024600012.0) with SMTP id <20090328030647102024600012> for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:06:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003201c9af7d$26c6b7e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <634239.45337.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001f01c9ae3c$0a56c7e0$d503fea9@stodd> <02A60426-4439-414B-9A40-1446DAF9BBE2@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:06:47 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=oh53lT-8xSod5-BMicXw8DoUZwdRXFPncHr3SsCbdxnHIRbclkth X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You've got the right station, but unfortunately the stream is in mono for now. I'm hoping to get some inexpensive audio compressors later this year so it can be stereo at least on the web. It would take a major amount of cash to make the air signal stereo as the STL would have to be upgraded and the extra cards bought and installed in the audio processors, and last but not least an AM stereo generator. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 6:34 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) On Mar 26, 2009, at 12:48 PM, wrote: > This reminds me of something I've been meaning to post here. One > of our stations is flipping to business talk next week. That would be KYCR 1570, right? > Say what you will about his politics, Lou Dobbs is in stereo and > his program still comes on the Starguide system which is typically > dual mono channels. Is KYCR stereo and if it streams is the stream in stereo. I gotta tell you that 790 KFGO is on the net streaming in stereo and the ads in stereo jump right out at you and when they are in stereo it sounds sweet. > AFAIK his is the only one like that now, but with the newer > satellite receivers such as the XDS used by ABC and Premiere, the > MAX from Westwood, and that new Wegener one that Dial Global (ex > Jones) is using, going stereo will be so easy for any talk program > that turning off the stereo will be unnecessary and even possibly > undesireable. The people I work for use the Wegener satellite receivers and I like them. Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Mar 28 01:29:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89358 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2009 08:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2009 08:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2009 08:29:01 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.152] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090328032854101530700010.0) with SMTP id <20090328032854101530700010> for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:28:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004601c9af80$3ec5e0c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:28:54 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rangemaster in C-QuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=r_OA8odTustodh_lCB-dRanXkMjvAbpTm-qzYBIaZfVtYH8nmxYr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know I've got the manual for one of those but I can't seem to find it now. One clue as to where you'd feed the signal is what's the crystal frequency vs. output freq.? If it's one for one you'd likely feed it into the oscillator. If it's some multiple you'd feed it past whatever flip-flop chip or divider follows the oscillator. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: {AMSF} Rangemaster in C-QuAM I have 3 AM Stereo Exciters. Delta ASE 2 Harris AMS-G1 BE AX-10 And of course an AM1k Rangemaster. I would like to experiment with running a C-QuAM exciter with the Rangemaster. it's my understanding that the AMS exciter acts as the oscillator in a AMS tx. it generates the stereo phase and the mono audio is fed to the tx audio input and then everything is setup to sound in sync. the question is where do i feed the quam? where the crystal would go or do i have to feed it in up the oscillator chain some more. all my exciters have TTL out on them. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Mar 28 01:50:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42938 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2009 08:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2009 08:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2009 08:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.152] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090328034955100527900010.0) with SMTP id <20090328034955100527900010> for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:49:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009601c9af83$2e694fc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 03:49:55 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non AM question but a radio question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=hC5VaVfqzXAksV7dV2ybnd7qpEiHr_s0i3UFtxSxgEytSEXgP4CW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you could see the radiation pattern it would look like a doughnut with the antenna sticking up through the hole in the middle. A single antenna like that would radiate a signal equal to the transmitter power output minus whatever line loss there was. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:32 PM By the way, How is the vertical propagation shape of a vertical polarized simple 1/2 wave dipole? Is there some math equation to get it? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Mar 28 07:57:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93558 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2009 14:57:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2009 14:57:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2009 14:57:20 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.d46.3c91065e (37142) for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:57:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA034-5bc149ce3ac99a; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:57:20 -0400 X-Received: from WEBMAIL-MY10 (webmail-my10.sim.aol.com [64.12.108.21]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA038-5bc149ce3ac99a; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:57:13 -0400 References: <009601c9af83$2e694fc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:57:13 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 198.209.225.228 In-Reply-To: <009601c9af83$2e694fc0$d503fea9@stodd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42169-STANDARD X-Received: from 198.209.225.228 by WEBMAIL-MY10.sysops.aol.com (64.12.108.21) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:57:13 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB7DCC9CCD9E8E-F98-208D@WEBMAIL-MY10.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non AM question but a radio question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=GObQH7FIzwfQgXA51a1jIBfFNVUwClIhzYsX6lFWVuzZBZPY5JQiGX3fqNHLgq0K X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right, Scott. When calculating ERP is the reference a dipole or isotropic (spherical)?? I don't remember. Mike -----Original Message----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 3:49 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non AM question but a radio question If you could see the radiation pattern it would look like a doughnut with the antenna sticking up through the hole in the middle. A single antenna like that would radiate a signal equal to the transmitter power output minus whatever line loss there was. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:32 PM By the way, How is the vertical propagation shape of a vertical polarized simple 1/2 wave dipole? Is there some math equation to get it? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Mar 28 12:38:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75277 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2009 19:38:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2009 19:38:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2009 19:38:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2009 19:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2009 19:38:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:38:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009601c9af83$2e694fc0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.165 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non AM question but a radio question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=YBgHygs37SL17ilf2gnCCx0BYahGsGkq67qlSM8uhD164rH54g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 In other words, it is the same as my old HF antenna. I thought it was different in VHF. Do you know some web "trick" to draw it? I know the gain of a simple 1/2 wave dipole is 0 (unitity gain), because all the other antennas are referred to it (3 dB of gain above a dipole). But, Which is the gain of 4 vertical dipoles? At last, in the infamous RD-4 form, there is an item about the "electric degrees" of each dipole (I have 4 simple 1/2 wave vertical dipoles, all separate at 1 wave of distance). It says: "it depends about the divider phase." ??? What a hell is this? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > If you could see the radiation pattern it would look like a doughnut with the antenna sticking up through the hole in the middle. A single antenna like that would radiate a signal equal to the transmitter power output minus whatever line loss there was. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jotape1960 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:32 PM > > By the way, How is the vertical propagation shape of a vertical polarized simple 1/2 wave dipole? Is there some math equation to get it? > > > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Mar 29 04:54:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40907 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2009 11:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2009 11:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2009 11:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2009 11:54:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2009 11:54:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:54:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004601c9af80$3ec5e0c0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rangemaster in C-QuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=qrH0SudJ29v6eCKiPTzVzljcUvU9EOBHpWTWCj8eQ0V7 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I actually got instructions from keith hamilton on how to interface a cquam= exciter to a rangemaster. per keith hamilton I would pull the U3 Max485, U8 cd4001 and U10 cd4093 if present then feed the signal into TP12. TP12 is over by the test meter holes I can't guess how it will respond, I have not tried that. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I know I've got the manual for one of those but I can't seem to find it n= ow. One clue as to where you'd feed the signal is what's the crystal frequ= ency vs. output freq.? If it's one for one you'd likely feed it into the o= scillator. If it's some multiple you'd feed it past whatever flip-flop chi= p or divider follows the oscillator. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kc8gpd=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:03 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Rangemaster in C-QuAM >=20 >=20 > I have 3 AM Stereo Exciters. >=20 > Delta ASE 2 >=20 > Harris AMS-G1 >=20 > BE AX-10 >=20 > And of course an AM1k Rangemaster. >=20 > I would like to experiment with running a C-QuAM exciter with the Range= master. >=20 > it's my understanding that the AMS exciter acts as the oscillator in a = AMS tx. >=20 > it generates the stereo phase and the mono audio is fed to the tx audio= input > and then everything is setup to sound in sync. >=20 > the question is where do i feed the quam? where the crystal would go or= do i > have to feed it in up the oscillator chain some more. >=20 > all my exciters have TTL out on them. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Mar 29 14:08:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30908 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2009 21:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 29 Mar 2009 21:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2009 21:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.225] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090329160803100515400010.0) with SMTP id <20090329160803100515400010> for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:08:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <000c01c9b0b3$778e0340$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <009601c9af83$2e694fc0$d503fea9@stodd> <8CB7DCC9CCD9E8E-F98-208D@WEBMAIL-MY10.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:08:03 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} A non AM question but a radio question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=OdeMy6jf2FPNht31owTgzxAR9xNp46u6y1zaTUFMJfkVrKiyralb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dipole. I know that a lot of ham antenna manufacturers cheat by using the isotropic figures. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 8:57 AM When calculating ERP is the reference a dipole or isotropic (spherical)?? I don't remember. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Mar 29 15:30:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25295 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2009 22:30:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2009 22:30:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2009 22:30:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2009 22:30:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2009 22:30:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:30:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Rangemaster in C-QuAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Fwn_C98PYBNuwHWneLTw0XW8X4vSw_g5zcMQeURzA1C0 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd to add to the previous keith says to use TTL 0-5V Swing @ TP12 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > I actually got instructions from keith hamilton on how to interface a cqu= am exciter to a rangemaster. >=20 > per keith hamilton >=20 > >=20 > I would pull the U3 Max485, U8 cd4001 and U10 cd4093 if present >=20 > then feed the signal into TP12. TP12 is over by the test meter holes >=20 > I can't guess how it will respond, I have not tried that. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > I know I've got the manual for one of those but I can't seem to find it= now. One clue as to where you'd feed the signal is what's the crystal fre= quency vs. output freq.? If it's one for one you'd likely feed it into the= oscillator. If it's some multiple you'd feed it past whatever flip-flop c= hip or divider follows the oscillator. > >=20 > > Scott Todd > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: kc8gpd=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:03 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} Rangemaster in C-QuAM > >=20 > >=20 > > I have 3 AM Stereo Exciters. > >=20 > > Delta ASE 2 > >=20 > > Harris AMS-G1 > >=20 > > BE AX-10 > >=20 > > And of course an AM1k Rangemaster. > >=20 > > I would like to experiment with running a C-QuAM exciter with the Ran= gemaster. > >=20 > > it's my understanding that the AMS exciter acts as the oscillator in = a AMS tx. > >=20 > > it generates the stereo phase and the mono audio is fed to the tx aud= io input > > and then everything is setup to sound in sync. > >=20 > > the question is where do i feed the quam? where the crystal would go = or do i > > have to feed it in up the oscillator chain some more. > >=20 > > all my exciters have TTL out on them. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfam= ily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From spysy_hook@yahoo.com Mon Mar 30 05:09:36 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31475;u=;t=1238473487;m=1127847477;s=897508831; From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 09:10:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4571 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2009 16:10:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2009 16:10:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.188) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2009 16:10:07 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2009 16:08:52 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.65] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2009 16:08:52 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2009 16:08:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 423960.68079.bm@omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 30859 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2009 16:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95650@71.155.144.230 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2009 16:08:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000501c9b15a$61e5e880$e6909b47@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:10:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: RCA's AM Stereo System, Circa 1959 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=kiQmGi8QjwGzKirqwvj40lrq-f01sHUesQwrymz7jPJcD2b7yje6Rpta1TufCJuhbtJJswD3 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RCA's AM Stereo System, Circa 1959This is one of 2 neat pages RCA's AM Stereo System, Circa 1959 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RCA developed an early AM Stereo system, and field tested it in 1959 on WNBC's 50 kW RCA-50B transmitter in New York. WNBC's RCA-50B transmitter, whose design dates back to 1930, is pictured in the 1940 photo shown above, when the station call letters were WEAF. The RCA AM stereo system transmits the L+R stereo sum signal as normal AM, and transmits the L-R stereo difference signal as FM on the main AM carrier. A deviation of about 1,000 Hz is used for the FM, and the L-R audio signal is pre-emphasized using a "modified" 100 usec. time constant. To the left is a photo of the equipment rack holding the RCA AM Stereo equipment installed at the WNBC transmitter, to convert it for AM Stereo operation. Of special interest are the "Matrix", "FM Exciter", and "Monitor", which are explained below. The block diagram below gives an overview of the operation of RCA's AM Stereo system. The Left and Right audio signals from the studio first pass through a "matrix" which changes them to a L+R stereo sum signal, and a L-R stereo difference signal. The L+R stereo sum signal is feed to the normal AM modulation input of the transmitter, through the customary limiting amplifier. Using the sum of the Left and Right audio signals to Amplitude Modulate the transmitter insures that a listener with a monophonic radio will receive a balanced, distortion free program. The "matrix" also includes a time delay circuit in the L+R signal path to compensate for the additional time delay the "FM exciter". The L-R signal is feed to the "FM exciter" through another limiting amplifier, whose gain control is slaved to the L+R limiter. The "FM exciter" uses a serrasoid modulator operating at a frequency of 110 kHz, which is one sixth of WNBC's final operating frequency of 660 kHz. After FM modulation, the 110 kHz signal passes through frequency multiplier stages which multiply its frequency by a factor of six, to the 660 kHz carrier frequency signal that drives the RCA-50B transmitter, in place of the original crystal oscillator unit. The "Monitor" is a high quality receiver/demodulator that is used to measure, and monitor, the performance of the AM Stereo transmitter. To learn more about the legendary RCA 50B Transmitter,Click Here -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a photo of a prototype AM Stereo Receiver built by RCA, to receive the 1959 AM Stereo Broadcasts on WNBC. This prototype AM Stereo Receiver is based on the chassis of an RCA Model XF-2 radio receiver. To view the schematic of the RCA AM Stereo Receiver, Click Here -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would be interested in hearing from anyone that has any additional information on the RCA AM Stereo system, and the field tests at WNBC in 1959. I can be reached by email at byrnsj@sbcglobal.net. 1/3/03 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John's Home Page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 09:12:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34461 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2009 16:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 30 Mar 2009 16:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO omp403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.201.242) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2009 16:11:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58050 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Mar 2009 16:10:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97414 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2009 16:10:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95650@71.155.144.230 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2009 16:10:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000b01c9b15a$9c4c7840$e6909b47@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:11:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.201.242 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:5:0:0:0 From: Subject: AM Stereo System, Circa 1941 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=wUHHJAi6u3Uhp5sJvjxSqJOvKoRr2qeqpSM9gPVHtrjoGgNXPvopOiSaDG9rlBcwQqc5FCiY X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AM Stereo System, Circa 1941This is one second page and its neat also. AM Stereo System, Circa 1941 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is an interesting 1941 magazine article describing an early proposal for broadcasting stereo on a single channel in the AM broadcast band. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would like to hear from anyone that may have information on other early proposals for stereo broadcasting, especially prior to WW2. I can be reached by email at byrnsj@sbcglobal.net. 9/27/04 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John's Home Page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Mar 30 09:18:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73889 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2009 16:17:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2009 16:17:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s12.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.215) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2009 16:17:04 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W45 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s12.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:16:43 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:16:43 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501c9b15a$61e5e880$e6909b47@jimsmith> References: <000501c9b15a$61e5e880$e6909b47@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2009 16:16:43.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA5F0460:01C9B152] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} RCA's AM Stereo System, Circa 1959 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=ErH2cKx6mDYtyVkdOHMK7zVWSO3EE8ED5gGBNlDbUsaBnaIfiiQo X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I cannot see the pictures referred to in your emails. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com CC: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:10:08 -0800 Subject: {AMSF} RCA's AM Stereo System, Circa 1959 RCA's AM Stereo System, Circa 1959This is one of 2 neat pages RCA's AM Stereo System, Circa 1959 ---------------------------------------------------------- RCA developed an early AM Stereo system, and field tested it in 1959 on WNBC's 50 kW RCA-50B transmitter in New York. WNBC's RCA-50B transmitter, whose design dates back to 1930, is pictured in the 1940 photo shown above, when the station call letters were WEAF. The RCA AM stereo system transmits the L+R stereo sum signal as normal AM, and transmits the L-R stereo difference signal as FM on the main AM carrier. A deviation of about 1,000 Hz is used for the FM, and the L-R audio signal is pre-emphasized using a "modified" 100 usec. time constant. To the left is a photo of the equipment rack holding the RCA AM Stereo equipment installed at the WNBC transmitter, to convert it for AM Stereo operation. Of special interest are the "Matrix", "FM Exciter", and "Monitor", which are explained below. The block diagram below gives an overview of the operation of RCA's AM Stereo system. The Left and Right audio signals from the studio first pass through a "matrix" which changes them to a L+R stereo sum signal, and a L-R stereo difference signal. The L+R stereo sum signal is feed to the normal AM modulation input of the transmitter, through the customary limiting amplifier. Using the sum of the Left and Right audio signals to Amplitude Modulate the transmitter insures that a listener with a monophonic radio will receive a balanced, distortion free program. The "matrix" also includes a time delay circuit in the L+R signal path to compensate for the additional time delay the "FM exciter". The L-R signal is feed to the "FM exciter" through another limiting amplifier, whose gain control is slaved to the L+R limiter. The "FM exciter" uses a serrasoid modulator operating at a frequency of 110 kHz, which is one sixth of WNBC's final operating frequency of 660 kHz. After FM modulation, the 110 kHz signal passes through frequency multiplier stages which multiply its frequency by a factor of six, to the 660 kHz carrier frequency signal that drives the RCA-50B transmitter, in place of the original crystal oscillator unit. The "Monitor" is a high quality receiver/demodulator that is used to measure, and monitor, the performance of the AM Stereo transmitter. To learn more about the legendary RCA 50B Transmitter,Click Here ---------------------------------------------------------- This is a photo of a prototype AM Stereo Receiver built by RCA, to receive the 1959 AM Stereo Broadcasts on WNBC. This prototype AM Stereo Receiver is based on the chassis of an RCA Model XF-2 radio receiver. To view the schematic of the RCA AM Stereo Receiver, Click Here ---------------------------------------------------------- I would be interested in hearing from anyone that has any additional information on the RCA AM Stereo system, and the field tests at WNBC in 1959. I can be reached by email at byrnsj@sbcglobal.net. 1/3/03 ---------------------------------------------------------- John's Home Page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 09:23:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1652 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2009 16:21:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2009 16:21:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.222) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2009 16:21:55 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2009 16:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.254] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2009 16:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2009 16:21:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 401799.61156.bm@omp415.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 67319 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2009 16:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95650@71.155.144.230 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2009 16:21:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Qs9q0mYVM1ko3Nu41bIAVU4SOswk04UmIBP.ThX4h4tBqR7pMc_qsQuU4gcY9dq94ZE8Q3l1LqgmOOHDm3NVckd7FXbxHLBCTuu6KkxPRKQvEhbwIBNKjWeHE254PUTZ.u7JBKQbV5INUpOHVHvLW5AYj2z.mNEU8YE7ZmbOEMVsevnyteUAf6sz4bBnbbmzG7yIOt_X.7LGno3SlQW2qZ5F5g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000a01c9b15c$34941f80$e6909b47@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:23:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: 2 early am stereo systems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=U7kWGSG7pnZhso7oHJkbEyVmbfdLwgT2mUsVo_XVLLFsBY9hMR3rwpg1xyYO1yZFs_29_-jU X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The two links did not work like i thought. http://fmamradios.com/bin-41.html and http://fmamradios.com/rca-am-stereo.html I hope this woks better. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Mar 30 09:30:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40824 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2009 16:30:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2009 16:30:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s19.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.222) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2009 16:30:30 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W62 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s19.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:30:09 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:30:09 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000a01c9b15c$34941f80$e6909b47@jimsmith> References: <000a01c9b15c$34941f80$e6909b47@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2009 16:30:09.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAB7C460:01C9B154] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} 2 early am stereo systems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=FV2xMVDfSZT16pGetLN_E_9bkePBj65XlPSJtVfgEZBBROtgOAjm X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neither of these links will load for me. Maybe it is just my PC. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com CC: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:23:12 -0800 Subject: {AMSF} 2 early am stereo systems The two links did not work like i thought. http://fmamradios.com/bin-41.html and http://fmamradios.com/rca-am-stereo.html I hope this woks better. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 09:31:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55791 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2009 16:31:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2009 16:31:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.145) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2009 16:31:58 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2009 16:31:11 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2009 16:31:20 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2009 16:31:20 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 113732.77882.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 26682 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2009 16:31:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jimsmith) (jimsmith95650@71.155.144.230 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2009 16:31:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 3bxk.o8VM1nbU8ujdLmn0.h45ENBgGcE5NKAijruds.w4.Ace9A7GNMPnE4igo5g6_ioODz4LQomY01MFfvp2RlQRYnNKRIVlvzw.GeVCYBpMirluxnhEXhtUXouXGy6o.WVADNHrFSzFIpFml_LDROkli.jH4ZnbXbBk2VLAXjg25llRH8YLKSyctQ9W0kMpuy_j70rYAfVL1gPrgaqpJC2znUKzw18_sVYSiIWh.j3KoJBiFT8aeMbud5z_YYf.QXm X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000a01c9b15d$8834b400$e6909b47@jimsmith> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:32:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: try this link X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=H6wz9H9PQk7SHn4-KVLCbUf97eHUBfd3xhb0Z8HXEOOBsrPmnuqzsm18DEabn0x1qw1Uq0a9 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try this link i hope it work. Both links are on this site . If it dose not work then enter it in address bar. www.fmamradios.com Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Mar 30 11:04:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71736 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2009 18:03:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 30 Mar 2009 18:03:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s10.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.213) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2009 18:03:58 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W49 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s10.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:03:37 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:03:37 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000a01c9b15d$8834b400$e6909b47@jimsmith> References: <000a01c9b15d$8834b400$e6909b47@jimsmith> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2009 18:03:37.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9B03E40:01C9B161] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} try this link X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=3CBJp2mVSQcvnVR73KgUVCJNBJP1j3paCJ4UsDwrokSA8GzDbaVn X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Worked after I entered it in the address bar. Thanks for all the information. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com CC: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:32:42 -0800 Subject: {AMSF} try this link Try this link i hope it work. Both links are on this site . If it dose not work then enter it in address bar. www.fmamradios.com Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 11:17:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84269 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2009 18:17:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 30 Mar 2009 18:17:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2009 18:17:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2009 18:16:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2009 18:16:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:16:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.127.114 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: try this link X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=yJvlz1NbwrvJgiNiHTNzIL3R9irpZuq44o7Fm7kvKMvvlaB91IpNhpmBpm7CyBBs5UOJ61BO X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO <= mtgc@...> wrote: > >=20 > Worked after I entered it in the address bar. Thanks for all the informa= tion. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > CC: jimsmith95650@... > From: jimsmith95650@... > Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:32:42 -0800 > Subject: {AMSF} try this link >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Try this link i hope it work. Both links are on this site . If it dose no= t work then enter it in address bar. www.fmamradios.com Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike I have seen this sit before but never brought it here before.Are y= ou Wyoming mike? I thought that very interesting and you are welcome. Jim S= mith From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 11:26:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60749 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2009 18:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2009 18:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2009 18:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2009 18:25:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2009 18:25:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:25:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.127.114 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Need some help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=DsRxTDvN7A4R5xX_7rdP8zBRwbRAGQa_mEJcDlOK4SNCs5UzwkrJyrrkCxUb6GrVQbYZPl9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I need some help with the loading coil for the A.L. I can't rememb= er if it is 120 or 125 wines for the loading coil. Can some one help me ple= ase. I would also like to change freq's also. Here in Northern Califoria KO= MO AM 1000 comes realy stong here at night. Jim Smith NOR CAL From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 30 22:44:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40474 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2009 05:44:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2009 05:44:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2009 05:44:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2009 05:43:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2009 05:43:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:43:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.57.249.181 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: klog am 1490 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=TSlSN31BYzx0BsHa5CuhbQNyngrT9IJwr9mr_sY7WzjxCNrRjfFi9pkqD_ORRWUP4-Mw7VPo X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I was in contact with some one at KLOG AM 1490 and he said that the= y are mono now. He said that thay had lost there exciter in a flood about = 2 years ago. I referd him to this site and said that there are AM STEREOS b= eing sold every day. I hope he fixs the exciter and gose back on the air wi= th it. I had also said to him that i would rather listen to AM STEREO over = a web cast any day. Jim Smith Nor Cal From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 13:15:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50905 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2009 20:15:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 31 Mar 2009 20:15:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2009 20:15:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2009 20:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2009 20:15:19 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:15:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c9b15d$8834b400$e6909b47@jimsmith> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.42 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: try this link X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=2QZ3Pl4xl0T7ZTr3qnNxZeekSeqpXvceLrV-MomyoNpVFnZPxA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Basically, it's the same Magnavox system, or Am I wrong? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Try this link i hope it work. Both links are on this site . If it dose n= ot work then enter it in address bar. www.fmamradios.com Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Mar 31 13:19:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73012 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2009 20:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 31 Mar 2009 20:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2009 20:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2009 20:18:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2009 20:18:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 20:18:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.42 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: klog am 1490 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=eFiDFd16MiEjyNxGUuaBH1S1ry-3DgSC6s7ah0basRCvdlVzrA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 By the way, Jim, Do you know some AM Stereo radio station that has a web pa= ge with the audio stream taked directly from an AM Stereo tuner? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@..." wrote: > > Hi Gang I was in contact with some one at KLOG AM 1490 and he said that t= hey are mono now. He said that thay had lost there exciter in a flood abou= t 2 years ago. I referd him to this site and said that there are AM STEREOS= being sold every day. I hope he fixs the exciter and gose back on the air = with it. I had also said to him that i would rather listen to AM STEREO ove= r a web cast any day. Jim Smith Nor Cal > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 31 20:35:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21953 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 03:34:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 03:34:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 03:34:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2009 03:34:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2009 03:34:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:34:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.42.115.216 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: klog am 1490 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=xnod6-5Xskxla2Aq16j_pyNY6vxEEKLXFPFJyY_UVUoXHlWEKlw2OTrNTF-5wLaK35nN2kMU X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > By the way, Jim, Do you know some AM Stereo radio station that has a web = page with the audio stream taked directly from an AM Stereo tuner? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@" w= rote: > > > > Hi Gang I was in contact with some one at KLOG AM 1490 and he said that= they are mono now. He said that thay had lost there exciter in a flood ab= out 2 years ago. I referd him to this site and said that there are AM STERE= OS being sold every day. I hope he fixs the exciter and gose back on the ai= r with it. I had also said to him that i would rather listen to AM STEREO o= ver a web cast any day. Jim Smith Nor Cal > > > Hi Juan not in this csae though. Weahter the the sorce is a AM STEREO tuner= or not i would rather listen to the station over the air in C-QuAM. Jim Sm= ith=20 From dwtpa97@verizon.net Wed Apr 01 04:26:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30897 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 11:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 11:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173017pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.17) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 11:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KHF000OA6FHYC20@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 06:26:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:26:09 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=Krp4uTklUCwpxW7kIfz7dTpazKwr2j_TX_lseCLuH9xgzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For any member of the list who is interested, following is a link to the Microsoft Virus Removal Tool. Dick W,. http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 01 04:42:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83619 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 11:42:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 11:42:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 11:42:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2009 11:41:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2009 11:41:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:41:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.219.161 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=V7nFkLMV9loTg7afN36sYd_P3uBMsI5SA4wu-2JqwJJt8FJb0wu2OlEs_DpYHPIZh0VmFnYJ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > For any member of the list who is interested, following is a link to the = Microsoft Virus Removal Tool. > Dick W,. >=20 > http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Dick Do you know of any virus protection for win 98 ME? Jim Smith From dwtpa97@verizon.net Wed Apr 01 05:06:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29578 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 12:02:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 12:02:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173017pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.17) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 12:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KHF00HD883DGE6P@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:02:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:02:05 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=yPcn8R8qtR311f9npz25kyB31y5rrFyghqa_Dv4IqNaxlw X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, I am not an expert, but I know that Microsoft stopped providing any support for Windows 98 several years ago. So I am not aware of a tool that will work for Windows 98. If it's any consolation, CNN says that so far, most of the worm's activity has been overseas in Asia, etc. Have you tried clicking on the the link to see if, by any chance, it would work on your Windows 98? Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:41 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > For any member of the list who is interested, following is a link to the Microsoft Virus Removal Tool. > Dick W,. > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Dick Do you know of any virus protection for win 98 ME? Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 01 05:21:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49265 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 12:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 12:21:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 12:21:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2009 12:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2009 12:21:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:21:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.219.161 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=TMPMGyY-zcVZaLczvuCY9VABguv9bl3J6AHtNy0iuRHlHQ_V5dC6Q0072UU9JB_gmsIgfojw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > Jim, I am not an expert, but I know that Microsoft stopped providing any = support for Windows 98 several years ago. So I am not aware of a tool that= will work for Windows 98. If it's any consolation, CNN says that so far, = most of the worm's activity has been overseas in Asia, etc.=20=20 >=20 > Have you tried clicking on the the link to see if, by any chance, it woul= d work on your Windows 98? > Dick W. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jimsmith95650@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:41 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > For any member of the list who is interested, following is a link to = the Microsoft Virus Removal Tool. > > Dick W,. > >=20 > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Dick Do you know of any virus protection for win 98 ME? Jim Smith >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Dick Yes i did try it and it said when it was done that i had the rong O= S so it would not install. Jim Smith From dwtpa97@verizon.net Wed Apr 01 05:40:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71142 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 12:39:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 12:39:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173019pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.19) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 12:39:09 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KHF00HLY9SK2OXS@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:38:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <6471571E9213492D9640DABA53D44B0A@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:38:48 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=vvlPicl9Zz9OFKcw6gjp_8FXm-cYNNTrF77Z-x9stWecgA X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's too bad. I guess the best advice I could give is to not open any attachments to emails, and to avoid questionable websites. Dick W, ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:21 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > Jim, I am not an expert, but I know that Microsoft stopped providing any support for Windows 98 several years ago. So I am not aware of a tool that will work for Windows 98. If it's any consolation, CNN says that so far, most of the worm's activity has been overseas in Asia, etc. > > Have you tried clicking on the the link to see if, by any chance, it would work on your Windows 98? > Dick W. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jimsmith95650@... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:41 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > For any member of the list who is interested, following is a link to the Microsoft Virus Removal Tool. > > Dick W,. > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Dick Do you know of any virus protection for win 98 ME? Jim Smith > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Dick Yes i did try it and it said when it was done that i had the rong OS so it would not install. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 01 05:52:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32222 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 12:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 12:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 12:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2009 12:49:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2009 12:49:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:49:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6471571E9213492D9640DABA53D44B0A@your4dacd0ea75> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.25.47.237 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=8D48W2T7E_CufnqysT9y2nU85ir3NDTBMH7JEnzcbLhtYI12XcaQd7Q2h-yEpW1-OyYiJJ8b X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > That's too bad. I guess the best advice I could give is to not open any = attachments to emails, and to avoid questionable websites. > Dick W, >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jimsmith95650@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:21 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > Jim, I am not an expert, but I know that Microsoft stopped providing = any support for Windows 98 several years ago. So I am not aware of a tool t= hat will work for Windows 98. If it's any consolation, CNN says that so far= , most of the worm's activity has been overseas in Asia, etc.=20 > >=20 > > Have you tried clicking on the the link to see if, by any chance, it = would work on your Windows 98? > > Dick W. > >=20 > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: jimsmith95650@=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:41 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > > > For any member of the list who is interested, following is a link t= o the Microsoft Virus Removal Tool. > > > Dick W,. > > >=20 > > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Dick Do you know of any virus protection for win 98 ME? Jim Smith > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Dick Yes i did try it and it said when it was done that i had the ro= ng OS so it would not install. Jim Smith >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Dick Thats what i do any way. A man told me at a computer shop that most= virus only afect computers with newer OS's. So i mite be safe. Any way bac= k to AM STEREO. Jim Smith In a AM STEREO dry area. From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Apr 01 06:19:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58431 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 13:18:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 13:18:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s29.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.232) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 13:18:10 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W83 ([65.55.90.200]) by snt0-omc4-s29.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 1 Apr 2009 06:17:48 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:17:48 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <6471571E9213492D9640DABA53D44B0A@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2009 13:17:48.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[40F04350:01C9B2CC] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=VDb76z9prXEjaPejS9xeE0k4S3BwR4QFqEd5jwOQyNkOKuWbyMA4 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AVG Free still works for Win98, I think. You might google AVG Free and get to their website and check. As information, AVG will remove this trojan. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:49:44 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > That's too bad. I guess the best advice I could give is to not open any attachments to emails, and to avoid questionable websites. > Dick W, > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jimsmith95650@... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:21 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > Jim, I am not an expert, but I know that Microsoft stopped providing any support for Windows 98 several years ago. So I am not aware of a tool that will work for Windows 98. If it's any consolation, CNN says that so far, most of the worm's activity has been overseas in Asia, etc. > > > > Have you tried clicking on the the link to see if, by any chance, it would work on your Windows 98? > > Dick W. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jimsmith95650@ > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:41 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > > > For any member of the list who is interested, following is a link to the Microsoft Virus Removal Tool. > > > Dick W,. > > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Dick Do you know of any virus protection for win 98 ME? Jim Smith > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Dick Yes i did try it and it said when it was done that i had the rong OS so it would not install. Jim Smith > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Dick Thats what i do any way. A man told me at a computer shop that most virus only afect computers with newer OS's. So i mite be safe. Any way back to AM STEREO. Jim Smith In a AM STEREO dry area. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 01 07:20:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10898 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 14:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 14:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 14:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2009 14:19:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2009 14:19:16 -0000 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:19:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.25.47.237 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=SWGCF4cmSA9BYuOB3E8WaPENr8QWNwVkcM2T6IodKGj9w97awPqL8E_QTDwD3rp7X2AByJtp X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO <= mtgc@...> wrote: > >=20 > AVG Free still works for Win98, I think. You might google AVG Free and g= et to their website and check. As information, AVG will remove this trojan= . >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: jimsmith95650@... > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:49:44 +0000 > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > That's too bad. I guess the best advice I could give is to not open any= attachments to emails, and to avoid questionable websites. > > Dick W, > >=20 > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: jimsmith95650@=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:21 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > > > Jim, I am not an expert, but I know that Microsoft stopped providing = any support for Windows 98 several years ago. So I am not aware of a tool t= hat will work for Windows 98. If it's any consolation, CNN says that so far= , most of the worm's activity has been overseas in Asia, etc.=20 > > >=20 > > > Have you tried clicking on the the link to see if, by any chance, it = would work on your Windows 98? > > > Dick W. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > > From: jimsmith95650@=20 > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:41 AM > > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > > > > > For any member of the list who is interested, following is a link t= o the Microsoft Virus Removal Tool. > > > > Dick W,. > > > >=20 > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Hi Dick Do you know of any virus protection for win 98 ME? Jim Smith > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Dick Yes i did try it and it said when it was done that i had the ro= ng OS so it would not install. Jim Smith > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Dick Thats what i do any way. A man told me at a computer shop that mo= st virus only afect computers with newer OS's. So i mite be safe. Any way b= ack to AM STEREO. Jim Smith In a AM STEREO dry area. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Micheal Same thing happend. So I guess I am stuck with what i got. Jim S= mith From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Apr 01 07:36:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75263 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 14:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 14:35:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f127.google.com) (209.85.221.127) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 14:35:01 -0000 X-Received: by qyk33 with SMTP id 33so154623qyk.27 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:33:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.20.85 with SMTP id e21mr9996937qab.43.1238596433454; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.33.64.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.33.64.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm635qwd.28.2009.04.01.07.33.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 01 Apr 2009 07:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <7A7B5E30-7528-4048-B478-761B48B7DF28@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:33:45 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.127 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=0d-sKXOAwMwpHjwdVjqn0QgPbRBA4p0nhMek2Eq6-usYVv9_JQ0e3Kt1S65_2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:19 AM, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Micheal Same thing happend. So I guess I am stuck with what i got. Most computers that will run Windows 98 will run XP Pro if ya HAVE to run Windows. It will also run Freespire Linux. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Apr 01 07:43:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14648 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 14:42:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 14:42:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s30.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.233) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 14:42:16 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W30 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s30.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 1 Apr 2009 07:41:55 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:41:55 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2009 14:41:55.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[00B8C940:01C9B2D8] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=xmr3QCQAk-eod0uP0az-8y0gV4U5xvCVWYXDGpW1FK8yIGQetu1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Go to WWW.AVAST.COM and go to their free download site. Here is what it sa= ys: =20 avast! Home Edition -System Requirements =20 Please note: hardware configurations described below represent the minimum = recommended system specification for that operating system.=20 For a computer running Windows=AE 95/98/Me: 486 Processor, 32MB RAM and 100MB of free hard disk space.=20 Download the home edition (free to non-commercial users) and you should be= good to go. =20 =20 MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:19:16 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO <= mtgc@...> wrote: > >=20 > AVG Free still works for Win98, I think. You might google AVG Free and ge= t to their website and check. As information, AVG will remove this trojan. >=20 >=20 >=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20 >=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: jimsmith95650@... > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:49:44 +0000 > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > That's too bad. I guess the best advice I could give is to not open any= attachments to emails, and to avoid questionable websites. > > Dick W, > >=20 > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: jimsmith95650@=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:21 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > > > Jim, I am not an expert, but I know that Microsoft stopped providing = any support for Windows 98 several years ago. So I am not aware of a tool t= hat will work for Windows 98. If it's any consolation, CNN says that so far= , most of the worm's activity has been overseas in Asia, etc.=20 > > >=20 > > > Have you tried clicking on the the link to see if, by any chance, it = would work on your Windows 98? > > > Dick W. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > > From: jimsmith95650@=20 > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:41 AM > > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > > > > > For any member of the list who is interested, following is a link t= o the Microsoft Virus Removal Tool. > > > > Dick W,. > > > >=20 > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Hi Dick Do you know of any virus protection for win 98 ME? Jim Smith > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Dick Yes i did try it and it said when it was done that i had the ro= ng OS so it would not install. Jim Smith > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Dick Thats what i do any way. A man told me at a computer shop that mo= st virus only afect computers with newer OS's. So i mite be safe. Any way b= ack to AM STEREO. Jim Smith In a AM STEREO dry area. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Micheal Same thing happend. So I guess I am stuck with what i got. Jim S= mith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Apr 01 07:45:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35983 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 14:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 14:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s12.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.215) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 14:44:45 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W37 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s12.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 1 Apr 2009 07:44:40 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:44:41 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2009 14:44:40.0873 (UTC) FILETIME=[637F3190:01C9B2D8] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=qCFMx0p2ptQaA3P7vzmLvEDCkeGluL4zbVokfIKx6G5dNTYAl7c0 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, =20 Go to www.avast.com and download their free version. Here is the scoop, ac= cording to their website: =20 avast! Home Edition -System Requirements =20 Please note: hardware configurations described below represent the minimum = recommended system specification for that operating system.=20 For a computer running Windows=AE 95/98/Me: 486 Processor, 32MB RAM and 100MB of free hard disk space.=20 =20 If you have the above setup or better, it should load and run. =20 MTGC (Michael) =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:19:16 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO <= mtgc@...> wrote: > >=20 > AVG Free still works for Win98, I think. You might google AVG Free and ge= t to their website and check. As information, AVG will remove this trojan. >=20 >=20 >=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20 >=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: jimsmith95650@... > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:49:44 +0000 > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > That's too bad. I guess the best advice I could give is to not open any= attachments to emails, and to avoid questionable websites. > > Dick W, > >=20 > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: jimsmith95650@=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:21 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > > > Jim, I am not an expert, but I know that Microsoft stopped providing = any support for Windows 98 several years ago. So I am not aware of a tool t= hat will work for Windows 98. If it's any consolation, CNN says that so far= , most of the worm's activity has been overseas in Asia, etc.=20 > > >=20 > > > Have you tried clicking on the the link to see if, by any chance, it = would work on your Windows 98? > > > Dick W. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > > From: jimsmith95650@=20 > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:41 AM > > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > > > > > For any member of the list who is interested, following is a link t= o the Microsoft Virus Removal Tool. > > > > Dick W,. > > > >=20 > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Hi Dick Do you know of any virus protection for win 98 ME? Jim Smith > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Dick Yes i did try it and it said when it was done that i had the ro= ng OS so it would not install. Jim Smith > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Dick Thats what i do any way. A man told me at a computer shop that mo= st virus only afect computers with newer OS's. So i mite be safe. Any way b= ack to AM STEREO. Jim Smith In a AM STEREO dry area. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Micheal Same thing happend. So I guess I am stuck with what i got. Jim S= mith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Wed Apr 01 09:51:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13396 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 16:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 16:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web84002.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.172) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 16:50:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65372 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2009 16:50:54 -0000 Message-ID: <483777.63404.qm@web84002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: CUWQ8qMVM1nnoB4VPN8y4Pwcx_M5Ezvbqj9tboLktpZLvwQpet_WFxnt0_qCq49ryFKrUsuvtRo6mgJP8fTgHOV8fkzzuuwGU4n3H8sALShjM_cJNhsRVadS6m.aZEtpr2sPbNw1i9ZSwhH.c9f.s0s8g8RX5OxW5vFhMrkQMVc71yVbIYjSSbJloAvSehWZtomHUTCI7FzeX0kFXNlJ7bUEib.NPpuYM3KRpI.oY0KgItk7RCloNnRnPDNnGqzVw4VoaaFYiTyiz70wQw3YwMLuIlkfXwSFpj.uRHbGEVjf4ybw4M3UsukbHyD0oi5Wi255jgxjpaqVj7rSng-- X-Received: from [71.97.205.99] by web84002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 09:50:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.1.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:50:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} RCA's AM Stereo System, Circa 1959 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=hDC3TkwXgWyasf-ktZ6m8gVGGk3ueaU7xTYtIhPaIEioowZNc_Wx X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, =A0 You might find it interesting that the RCA AM Stereo system was subcontract= ed to Belar Electronics Laboratories.=A0 That company designed and fielded = the RCA system for demonstration.=A0 The very same AM Stereo system was als= o presented to the Natioal AM Stereophonic Radio Committee in the mid-1970s= , and the sponsoring proponent was Belar Electronics Laboratories, since th= ey retained all of the hardware used by RCA. =A0 Bob Streeter --- On Mon, 3/30/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Subject: {AMSF} RCA's AM Stereo System, Circa 1959 To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Monday, March 30, 2009, 1:10 PM RCA's AM Stereo System, Circa 1959This is one of 2 neat pages RCA's AM Stereo System, Circa 1959 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- =A0 RCA developed an early AM Stereo system, and field tested it in 1959 on= WNBC's 50 kW RCA-50B transmitter in New York. WNBC's RCA-50B transmitter, = whose design dates back to 1930, is pictured in the 1940 photo shown above,= when the station call letters were WEAF. The RCA AM stereo system transmit= s the L+R stereo sum signal as normal AM, and transmits the L-R stereo diff= erence signal as FM on the main AM carrier. A deviation of about 1,000 Hz i= s used for the FM, and the L-R audio signal is pre-emphasized using a "modi= fied" 100 usec. time constant.=20 To the left is a photo of the equipment rack holding the RCA AM Stereo equi= pment installed at the WNBC transmitter, to convert it for AM Stereo operat= ion. Of special interest are the "Matrix", "FM Exciter", and "Monitor", whi= ch are explained below.=20 The block diagram below gives an overview of the operation of RCA's AM Ster= eo system. The Left and Right audio signals from the studio first pass thro= ugh a "matrix" which changes them to a L+R stereo sum signal, and a L-R ste= reo difference signal. The L+R stereo sum signal is feed to the normal AM m= odulation input of the transmitter, through the customary limiting amplifie= r. Using the sum of the Left and Right audio signals to Amplitude Modulate = the transmitter insures that a listener with a monophonic radio will receiv= e a balanced, distortion free program. The "matrix" also includes a time de= lay circuit in the L+R signal path to compensate for the additional time de= lay the "FM exciter". The L-R signal is feed to the "FM exciter" through an= other limiting amplifier, whose gain control is slaved to the L+R limiter. = The "FM exciter" uses a serrasoid modulator operating at a frequency of 110= kHz, which is one sixth of WNBC's final operating frequency of 660 kHz. After FM modulation, the 110 kHz signal passes through frequency mult= iplier stages which multiply its frequency by a factor of six, to the 660 k= Hz carrier frequency signal that drives the RCA-50B transmitter, in place o= f the original crystal oscillator unit. The "Monitor" is a high quality rec= eiver/demodulator that is used to measure, and monitor, the performance of = the AM Stereo transmitter.=20 To learn more about the legendary RCA 50B Transmitter,Click Here=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- This is a photo of a prototype AM Stereo Receiver built by RCA, to receive = the 1959 AM Stereo Broadcasts on WNBC. This prototype AM Stereo Receiver is= based on the chassis of an RCA Model XF-2 radio receiver. To view the sche= matic of the RCA AM Stereo Receiver, Click Here=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- I would be interested in hearing from anyone that has any additional inform= ation on the RCA AM Stereo system, and the field tests at WNBC in 1959. I c= an be reached by email at byrnsj@sbcglobal.net.=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1/3/03 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- John's Home Page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Apr 01 16:59:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35333 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2009 23:59:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 1 Apr 2009 23:59:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2009 23:59:52 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.167] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090401185917100158300010.0) with SMTP id <20090401185917100158300010> for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:59:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009701c9b326$e72599a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:59:17 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Para Juan de Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=kWG6iIFGYZguzETtrdYLwa3gEZbYJCSTIpQ6Q2OH6uUxQsPKA66_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Here are a couple of radio message boards you might want to visit occasionally (their sign-up pages, anyway): the Broadcast forum which is about pretty much anything radio related: http://lists.radiolists.net/mailman/listinfo/broadcast and the Tech Assist list, which is mainly for off air situations or when you need an answer fairly fast in order to keep on the air: http://lists.radiolists.net/mailman/listinfo/tech-assist There's a third list, I don't have the url handy, where you can ask more general tech questions. I'll try to get that posted in the next several days. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Apr 01 19:49:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34300 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 02:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 2 Apr 2009 02:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 02:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2009 02:48:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2009 02:48:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:48:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.126 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=zc3_Zk276Hm9CIwq7CNWnd9CDVK6F6ikCZK8pDha37fRCU8SjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 McAfee free on line VirusScan is the best. BUT... All the antivirus tools work so fine BEFORE the infection. If you ar= e already infected, the best advice is: 1) Check if you have the ORIGINAL Microsoft Windows Installation CD. If you= don't have one, you can complain with the one who sold you your PC, becaus= e all PC must have one. 2) Backup all the files you need. I mean files from Office, (letters, sprea= dsheets, data bases, etc.) or other applications you use dialy. 3) Format your hard disk. I mean: perform a FULL FORMAT (not erase, not cle= an, not a quickly format). Better if you know how to eliminate any partitio= n of the hard disk (if you don't know how to do it, please: DON'T DO IT!!!)= . 4) Re-install all the system (your Windows Operating System) from the begin= ning, from 0 (zero). 5) Check the web for all the drivers you need (normally you find it at the = home page of the company that made you PC). 6) Re-install your software AND A GOOD ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE!!! BUT... There is no a good protection against the human stupidity. In other = words: if you know there is some suspicious web page, e-mails or software..= . JUST DON'T USE IT!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO <= mtgc@...> wrote: > >=20 > AVG Free still works for Win98, I think. You might google AVG Free and g= et to their website and check. As information, AVG will remove this trojan= . >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: jimsmith95650@... > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:49:44 +0000 > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > That's too bad. I guess the best advice I could give is to not open any= attachments to emails, and to avoid questionable websites. > > Dick W, > >=20 > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: jimsmith95650@=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:21 AM > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > > > Jim, I am not an expert, but I know that Microsoft stopped providing = any support for Windows 98 several years ago. So I am not aware of a tool t= hat will work for Windows 98. If it's any consolation, CNN says that so far= , most of the worm's activity has been overseas in Asia, etc.=20 > > >=20 > > > Have you tried clicking on the the link to see if, by any chance, it = would work on your Windows 98? > > > Dick W. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > > From: jimsmith95650@=20 > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:41 AM > > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > > > > > For any member of the list who is interested, following is a link t= o the Microsoft Virus Removal Tool. > > > > Dick W,. > > > >=20 > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > Hi Dick Do you know of any virus protection for win 98 ME? Jim Smith > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Dick Yes i did try it and it said when it was done that i had the ro= ng OS so it would not install. Jim Smith > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Dick Thats what i do any way. A man told me at a computer shop that mo= st virus only afect computers with newer OS's. So i mite be safe. Any way b= ack to AM STEREO. Jim Smith In a AM STEREO dry area. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Apr 01 19:55:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79725 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 02:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 2 Apr 2009 02:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 02:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2009 02:55:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2009 02:55:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:55:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009701c9b326$e72599a0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.126 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Para Juan de Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=8vF7j37Jelfo89L4-K0o9nb9puTe4E8a6iLjhw_CLTIu5dp6WQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 THANK YOU SO MUCH, BROTHER!!! I'll try there to get help. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > Here are a couple of radio message boards you might want to visit occasio= nally (their sign-up pages, anyway): >=20 > the Broadcast forum which is about pretty much anything radio related: >=20=20=20=20=20 > http://lists.radiolists.net/mailman/listinfo/broadcast >=20 > and the Tech Assist list, which is mainly for off air situations or when = you need an answer fairly fast in order to keep on the air: >=20 > http://lists.radiolists.net/mailman/listinfo/tech-assist >=20 > There's a third list, I don't have the url handy, where you can ask more = general tech questions. I'll try to get that posted in the next several da= ys. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From dav259@optusnet.com.au Thu Apr 02 03:29:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83825 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 10:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2009 10:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.182) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 10:29:16 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (114.78.194.157.optusnet.com.au [114.78.194.157] (may be forged)) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n32ASfrr026610; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 21:28:42 +1100 To: Cc: References: <20090316.150730.26924.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 21:28:12 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcmpDU5LZDmHUhtLTEuSk+lbFKFXhgKYbnHw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: SOCIALISM - Publicly funded radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=oJULQdO7D7WDJg0ziBg3VMdcTrB8rHROod6V8ZWFf95W X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Saturday 7 February, Victoria suffered it's hottest day ever ... 46 degrees C. After more than a two year drought, and maximum temps of well over 40 degrees for three days in the previous week, Victoria was ripe ready to burn ... and it did. Two lovely rural townships were totally wiped out ... and almost 200 people went to God. It arguably has been Australia's worst natural disaster. In the arvo (afternoon) of 7 January, ABC Radio's 3LO dropped regular programming and went local (24/7) for the next week and a bit. This wonderful station (originally named after 2LO London .. the first ever regular broadcasting station in the world) is usually live and local from 5:30 am till 10:00 pm ... when it takes and contributes to a national feed till 5:30 am the next day. 3LO did a superb job. During the dreadful Victorian bushfires people in deep heaps of trouble seemingly had nowhere to go. Some went to the CFA (Country Fire Authority) website, others went to the govt weather bureau site, but most went to ABC Radio's website ... and started to regularly listen to what seemed boring updates on Melbourne radio 3LO. And the result is exemplary. For the first time in living memory, in Melbourne's Survey #2, 3LO has topped the radio ratings ... beating the inveterate commercial talk station 3AW (and market leader for several years) by 2.5%. This should be a lesson ... not only into government funded broadcasting but government funded anything. It's private enterprise greed that has caused the world financial crisis. There are times when a well staffed publicly funded radio station (or possibly anything else) can better provide a public service than another similar outfit which has the profit motive as it's major aim. This was that time, and seemingly it saved lives! And well done to all the staff at Melbourne's 3LO for providing the "service" ... many who worked unpaid hours for the good of the cause. Private enterprise couldn't have done it better. Public enterprise triumphed ... simply because in our mixed economy it's still allowed to exist. Praise the Lord!! Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From matchejpsfriends@yahoo.com Thu Apr 02 04:25:43 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31505;u=;t=1238762641;m=1807659370;s=4176577812; From matchejpsfriends@yahoo.com Thu Apr 02 04:26:19 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31506;u=;t=1238762641;m=1408116094;s=4176577812; From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Apr 02 06:12:48 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31507;u=;t=1238762641;m=1441927792;s=528335167; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Apr 02 06:17:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35471 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 13:16:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2009 13:16:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f111.google.com) (209.85.221.111) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 13:16:58 -0000 X-Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so1054584qyk.4 for ; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:15:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.53.202 with SMTP id n10mr7896qag.194.1238678155625; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.33.234.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.33.234.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1153130qwf.10.2009.04.02.06.15.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <73C58C1C-7F10-4222-BB1A-6D2F88A10693@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:15:34 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=F2aV-eVbJbOzq9VN6Z6dqxIIGb-ijtxJqm3deSQrBAsTUuJdHZtKL2TiTgrOgg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:48 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > BUT... All the antivirus tools work so fine BEFORE the infection. If > you are already infected, the best advice is: Get a Mac! 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Apr 02 06:23:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63502 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 13:22:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2009 13:22:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.207) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 13:22:05 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W67 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 2 Apr 2009 06:21:44 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:21:44 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <73C58C1C-7F10-4222-BB1A-6D2F88A10693@gmail.com> References: <73C58C1C-7F10-4222-BB1A-6D2F88A10693@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2009 13:21:44.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7D4FEC0:01C9B395] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=ezzU6dcWH4L9JFQe8-OxkJ2jEAMxn5x9GgmOsbuK5V6oLT0I28Bm X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep, Mac's are pretty much invunerable to the common virus and trojan attacks, because they make up only a tiny fraction of the total computers in use today and it is just not worth the time of the virus and trojan writers to go to the effort for such a small target. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: kj4hyd@gmail.com Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:15:34 -0400 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool On Apr 1, 2009, at 10:48 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > BUT... All the antivirus tools work so fine BEFORE the infection. If > you are already infected, the best advice is: Get a Mac! 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Apr 02 06:50:49 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31510;u=;t=1238762641;m=1080274006;s=528335167; From w6yn@juno.com Thu Apr 02 08:11:16 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31511;u=;t=1238762642;m=1155287457;s=528335167; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Apr 02 08:18:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25424 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 15:16:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2009 15:16:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f107.google.com) (209.85.221.107) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 15:16:43 -0000 X-Received: by qyk5 with SMTP id 5so1205044qyk.8 for ; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:16:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.89.80 with SMTP id d16mr202894qam.274.1238685380956; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.33.234.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.33.234.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1270309qwk.57.2009.04.02.08.16.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <35E0241A-4E0D-4E74-AC5A-E46FEC5BCE55@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:16:13 -0400 References: <73C58C1C-7F10-4222-BB1A-6D2F88A10693@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.107 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=L1XVYT31S8F-1bOjkYXM9_C9kILi2gMxEz_mA_SU8_MtnxxHRwf8kW8xcVncfg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 2, 2009, at 9:21 AM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > Yep, Mac's are pretty much invunerable to the common virus and > trojan attacks, because they make up only a tiny fraction of the > total computers in use today and it is just not worth the time of > the virus and trojan writers to go to the effort for such a small > target. This is not so much the case now Mac is the number 1 selling brand of computer on the market. The reason for the better security is Macs cannot automatically download ANYTHING from the web without you knowing about it. NOTHING can Auto-Install, and every new program, including software patches from Apple can run or be installed without the ADMIN Username and Password being entered and the program being dragged and dropped into the Applications Folder. AND if a program does flake out, and it has NEVER happened to me, You can drag it all at once into the trash can, and it is deleted completely from the computer. No registry errors do deal with. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Apr 02 16:36:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42299 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 23:35:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2009 23:35:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 23:35:21 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail10.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.150]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE7LU7BALVT4B2 for (sender ); Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:34:57 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxNkT+tvQcvl21FlinyyyA0= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail10.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PC69ZQLE; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:34:40 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.215.152] by webmail10.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 23:34:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 23:34:15 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090402.163415.1824.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2183386726 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.150|webmail10.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: ABC Radio Networks is no more X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=ZtfjmfsM7mLSEw6fdjt0d3OeOzHYZYQNEtngf6mFXw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn ABC Radio Networks is no more - Is now "Citadel Media" The name change =96 coming nearly two years after Citadel acquired the radi= o station and syndication assets of Walt Disney Company =96 reflects =93evo= lution=94 of the content creator beyond radio, onto new platforms such as m= obile and online. Brands familiar to the marketplace =96 ABC News Radio, AB= C Sports =96 will continue to be used. The quote is that =93all the brands = are still there, because that=92s what our affiliates want.=94 But the new = umbrella name is now Citadel Media, and the company reaches 110 million Ame= ricans through various products used by 4,400 affiliate stations.=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Apr 02 16:52:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87444 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 23:50:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2009 23:50:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 23:50:01 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.231] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090402184858100918900010.0) with SMTP id <20090402184858100918900010> for ; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:48:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005701c9b3ee$a2a0b800$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20090316.150730.26924.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:48:58 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} SOCIALISM - Publicly funded radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=zdVtUVB0NbK_MALrqnXoJ1MzzDTE_NxehhlPOXFp37OmcSjqMfGD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rubbish! During the floods they've been having in Fargo, ND, no less than three commercial stations went 24/7 news and information including the station that normally carries Rush Limbaugh. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@bellsouth.net 3LO did a superb job. During the dreadful Victorian bushfires people in deep heaps of trouble seemingly had nowhere to go. Some went to the CFA (Country Fire Authority) website, others went to the govt weather bureau site, but most went to ABC Radio's website ... and started to regularly listen to what seemed boring updates on Melbourne radio 3LO. And the result is exemplary. For the first time in living memory, in Melbourne's Survey #2, 3LO has topped the radio ratings ... beating the inveterate commercial talk station 3AW (and market leader for several years) by 2.5%. This should be a lesson ... not only into government funded broadcasting but government funded anything. It's private enterprise greed that has caused the world financial crisis. There are times when a well staffed publicly funded radio station (or possibly anything else) can better provide a public service than another similar outfit which has the profit motive as it's major aim. This was that time, and seemingly it saved lives! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Apr 02 16:57:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47641 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 23:57:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 2 Apr 2009 23:57:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 23:56:55 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.231] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090402185558101808400010.0) with SMTP id <20090402185558101808400010> for ; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:55:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008a01c9b3ef$9d0b7820$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:55:58 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Need some help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=0ZDSK3Pz4JRXwj0vuiTkDxu0Aw-z8OHTM7iA8Aho-IdSiTaRben0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Changing the frequency of the AL is as easy as changing the crystal. If you don't move it too far in frequency you wouldn't have to change anything else. There would be some caps and inductors to change if you wanted to make a big frequency change to one end of the band or the other. As far as the loading coil, start with 125 and if you can't get the antenna to tune correctly take off a few turns. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Hi Gang I need some help with the loading coil for the A.L. I can't remember if it is 120 or 125 wines for the loading coil. Can some one help me please. I would also like to change freq's also. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 02 23:27:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71548 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2009 06:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2009 06:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2009 06:27:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2009 06:27:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2009 06:27:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:27:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008a01c9b3ef$9d0b7820$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.150.192 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Need some help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=UIYu2OM-i1iBm2Na3J8mOzxzdT505-DJOdaiQ6I1OlDZidXaKduOVRZ9nfnGeDBXk8LxT7bw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Changing the frequency of the AL is as easy as changing the crystal. If = you don't move it too far in frequency you wouldn't have to change anything= else. There would be some caps and inductors to change if you wanted to m= ake a big frequency change to one end of the band or the other. As far as = the loading coil, start with 125 and if you can't get the antenna to tune c= orrectly take off a few turns. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jimsmith95650@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20 > Hi Gang I need some help with the loading coil for the A.L. I can't re= member if it is 120 or 125 wines for the loading coil. Can some one help me= please. I would also like to change freq's also. >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Scott Thank you that helps. Jim Smith From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Apr 03 05:42:41 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 50735 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2009 12:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2009 12:42:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n50a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.144) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2009 12:42:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1238762543; bh=w35q9qbdS8jQQY/gP2x1z2+lCokEMYvvvN2n1CAOgVE=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=boZCU2j67TByOrosqsqEu23u0qcI9ah1EZxCABL15Zu1qTF2Wjy1m72qr88xrmkqqs8sZan6vgIu/sLTLDS0iO6iIhB5mtDmT5Kom63gW70eVyOfgluuOoWByLYJf/Jm Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n50.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2009 12:42:23 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2009 12:42:23 -0000 X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9988 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 13:23:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2009 13:23:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.220) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 13:23:46 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n25.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2009 13:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2009 13:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2009 13:22:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 529309.65430.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 75600 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 13:22:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.20 with plain) by smtp117.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 13:22:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7lrGcbAVM1nHZthCVajkKmtwaSQsl6DD_gUU2DzWCeOd8VZCRN8d8fYfrAyglwltNFiruNlCUU4om0lOMwOECtujQmpeU2.xX4agX_jI_PcnjEVO7SfGhCAtOnqEpW4eHVGyILPp5R4ZF3jegBPBCnTB05p0u1mOEGK_5KxPFW0lH62CvLgw5n3Y_efWkkWjTSR9Nwnui_jvYoNwmx5sDVhbalAfcdgwTcNbwOdVhPxDyrXkx.DM4B9dz2xT4ANqh_eMBq23FD01qoqlGKOLysJpVAhx69WeL5TE08nr4Yk7HvJx.vaVVw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <73C58C1C-7F10-4222-BB1A-6D2F88A10693@gmail.com> References: <73C58C1C-7F10-4222-BB1A-6D2F88A10693@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 08:22:30 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=-onQbKUXQbEkiOGTZnS4Xh7Qroth-mA9TPUMTXUZwagLODXe1w X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 03 Apr 2009 12:42:22 -0000 On Apr 2, 2009, at 8:15 AM, KJ4HYD wrote: > Get a Mac! Amen to that. They may cost more but you get what you pay for. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Fri Apr 03 05:43:44 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62129 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2009 12:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2009 12:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.190) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2009 12:43:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1238762557; bh=MxjH2jPS0u4ADTMsVzWVDyZydmRBgoEzPiTIkRk6JDA=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=HQrDDUY1ijh2K0sGo5o/L+lT8ZPsaS0dE15GU+eRz/m8B4S1jEQ2VaFQ8a3YCsMLW54mNBBDinWuiCEUp8ST5eCf60moBnmTUycdzZKsDZo9CrMO9SjsH82DoBCHJg7N Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2009 12:42:37 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2009 12:42:37 -0000 X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44438 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 15:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2009 15:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.87.104) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 15:23:27 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2009 15:23:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2009 15:23:23 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2009 15:23:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 80297.82208.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 5090 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2009 15:23:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.203.20 with plain) by smtp125.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2009 15:23:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: gjxnwnEVM1mjp61DA0HPzJve2knC8zb1VTmUSkijoyB5bUWEcikUl3KHp.NNdYuvOdrGNghULLet_lSObqfTSioOKW22K5QTrxPKF7LYff.2Uxjg_XwTTn1JXJhCyDfi_T0j4ViOQKk0j0c7wti4HYff0OuYtmXXWhlvKf_.0ymCIOfn_pUg3LXpgQMgQ6q7PV4vJO6CMeitb.sp5zaaXUPel_Jt3iFay_iP7WPXIJjPDOpQpzZsbbWt6u5JT8y27vhXJoTCmzvKL36VSDWdbQlswKi2tZ3z.6UgIhs3YVW9yJPhjQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20090402.080815.25243.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20090402.080815.25243.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <89A63E61-C04B-40CD-862D-7A4B24F021D9@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:23:21 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 209.191.87.104 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} You're invited! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=sV02vz-1tYHY48sU6E9mvlwBBaKMZT7wtQJTS0FGSH64apJoNA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 03 Apr 2009 12:42:34 -0000 On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:08 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > It's called SPAM The way to stop spam is to make the person make a comment to the owner just to let him know that its a person interested in AM stereo and not sending spam before letting them on. It works about 99.99999999998% of the time in stopping spam. Kevin From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Apr 03 06:33:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10502 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2009 13:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2009 13:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s15.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.218) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2009 13:33:49 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W53 ([65.55.90.200]) by snt0-omc4-s15.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 3 Apr 2009 06:33:27 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:33:27 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <89A63E61-C04B-40CD-862D-7A4B24F021D9@yahoo.com> References: <20090402.080815.25243.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> <89A63E61-C04B-40CD-862D-7A4B24F021D9@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2009 13:33:27.0690 (UTC) FILETIME=[C54EB6A0:01C9B460] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} You're invited! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=80zVOROl6SH6Z-fNF4eC1jUMzHkrtriV4d-SwFNbb5QiXgb00LxT X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good idea Kevin. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: big_h00pla@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:23:21 -0500 Subject: Re: {AMSF} You're invited! On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:08 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > It's called SPAM The way to stop spam is to make the person make a comment to the owner just to let him know that its a person interested in AM stereo and not sending spam before letting them on. It works about 99.99999999998% of the time in stopping spam. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Apr 03 06:45:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83487 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2009 13:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 3 Apr 2009 13:45:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2009 13:45:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13199 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Apr 2009 13:45:38 -0000 Message-ID: <729043.10183.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AF4LhbUVM1nTs30bIdqrsmGpKo4tN9AljXgQEIXlYAtNcNP4Xhd62gxHiIb3LTlbhC.gZEZdItXeslfuw71NU.YINbqSoJ8AIsljuIM3Z4kXYwMSNhVCAKu3gnqCTFzMqAsiDiah2bubLUFroVmpd3UGbVsohQxZdN0nBL5CbZko8FP30FFCmKisQe5XGRnBHhSsqJM6bRtiY6mtJhJZfyQM1e7m339uvAPnCBXnXbo.JOEHw.D4S0qtL.V8uf.nyOCfWziV_3NDHrd4dwEfpgR4NYe05tlP8CQDOACd5GxLTBQGcZAd70INH9_Whjd41.z5UE.s1_PrO8GX X-Received: from [209.213.19.127] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:45:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.15 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 06:45:38 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Need some help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=rUXJXalmCG8SWil5WLqapIp1NwfeoxMZMxcE6moxBqM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Now if you have 125 wines before you try to wind the coil you won't be able to wind the coil, but you'll be really happy.... Powell.... being silly NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 4/3/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > > Hi Gang I need some help with > the loading coil for the A.L. I can't remember if it is 120 > or 125 wines for the loading coil. Can some one help me > please. I would also like to change freq's also. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Apr 03 07:28:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46227 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2009 14:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2009 14:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2009 14:28:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2009 14:28:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2009 14:28:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:28:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <89A63E61-C04B-40CD-862D-7A4B24F021D9@yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.231.125 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: {AMSF} You're invited! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=nm446C6bCeS5hqd64xJXwpOYa1QxJqgAL_iU9Wo_gJg X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Another way, that I use as a moderator at some other groups, is to moderate= the mewbies of the group for the first message they will send to post. If = the mesage has no "spam" you'are setting then the newbie account to an unmo= derated status.=20 That works excellent, for more than 4 years.=20 If the message is a "spam" then you ban the member, delete the account, and= the message itself!=20 Best regard=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding wrote: > >=20 > On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:08 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: >=20 > > It's called SPAM >=20 > The way to stop spam is to make the person make a comment to the=20=20 > owner just to let him know that its a person interested in AM stereo=20=20 > and not sending spam before letting them on. It works about=20=20 > 99.99999999998% of the time in stopping spam. >=20 > Kevin > From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Apr 03 07:46:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10704 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2009 14:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 3 Apr 2009 14:45:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s26.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.229) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2009 14:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W2 ([65.55.90.200]) by snt0-omc4-s26.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:45:30 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:45:30 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <89A63E61-C04B-40CD-862D-7A4B24F021D9@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2009 14:45:30.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5D551F0:01C9B46A] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} You're invited! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=HnDOHtH0LzMcJzIFXBNJ-IQZcXZKDb6V0cNC_oSJDkTnzGwu06VV X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like a good plan to me. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: pdmtr@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:28:06 +0000 Subject: Re: {AMSF} You're invited! Another way, that I use as a moderator at some other groups, is to moderate the mewbies of the group for the first message they will send to post. If the mesage has no "spam" you'are setting then the newbie account to an unmoderated status. That works excellent, for more than 4 years. If the message is a "spam" then you ban the member, delete the account, and the message itself! Best regard Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding wrote: > > > On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:08 PM, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > > > It's called SPAM > > The way to stop spam is to make the person make a comment to the > owner just to let him know that its a person interested in AM stereo > and not sending spam before letting them on. It works about > 99.99999999998% of the time in stopping spam. > > Kevin > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Apr 03 14:08:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42869 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2009 21:08:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2009 21:08:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2009 21:08:24 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE7N8V4ATRHKPJ for (sender ); Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:07:06 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD701qH9ud3Y/CmnSZKaZcCc= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PC9KW2Z2; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:06:27 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.215.152] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 21:05:20 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 21:05:20 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090403.140520.27889.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 9:4:957721292 X-MAIL-INFO:4295ed5064f4cd85448419193555c46451a06501e540fda080 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: iBiquity pushing the Buzz on CE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=j3LMOssYe8cDlN9EfI86WiKyR_Hi5mbUQHXanhl-Ng X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn iBiquity pushing the Buzz on CE: Thoughts on Radio=92s Digital Future The Barbell Strategy: Bulking Up for Radio=92s Growth Bob Struble:=20 Cars and portables, that=92s where we need to be: we=92re focused on it and= making great progress. I=92ve been writing a lot recently about the device side, the dynamics and = importance of radio receivers. On that topic, my long time friend Lew Dicke= y has a colorful way of communicating where he (and many other broadcasters= ) thinks we should focus our efforts on HD Radio uptake. He says, =93Bob, i= t=92s the barbell strategy, you need to be in cars and portables, and nothi= ng else matters.=94 I qualify somewhat that pure sentiment, but there is tr= emendous logic to the barbell strategy, and we are seeing some great advanc= es. Hopefully, it is reasonably clear why the two sides of the barbell are impo= rtant. Listening in cars is where the money is: we all know drive time driv= es revenue, so radio cannot cede its preeminent place in the dash. And port= ables - MP3 players, mobile phones, personal navigation devices (PNDs) are = part of radio=92s future. No one is carrying around transistor radios anymo= re. To stay ubiquitous, to maintain its reach, radio must be on the devices= that people carry. We also believe cars and portables offer the best place= for consumers to benefit from newly emerging HD Radio applications which a= re critical to increase consumer demand and broadcaster return on investmen= t. iTunes Tagging, for example, where a consumer can press a button and captur= e song information for later purchase at the iTunes store, makes a ton of s= ense in cars as opposed to fumbling for a pen to write down a song and driv= ing into a tree. Tagging is also a compelling application in mobile phones = and MP3 players, where a consumer can directly purchase and place songs on = her primary music storage device. Wireless carriers and device manufacturer= s will also like the revenue these purchases generate. And real time traffic info over HD Radio bandwidth could be a killer app wh= en delivered to navigation systems built into cars or PNDs. This capability= has the potential to drive HD Radio receiver uptake and produce incrementa= l revenue for broadcasters, and the two sides of the barbell are perfect de= vice targets for it. So the barbell strategy is critical. But I believe you have to qualify it s= omewhat. To stick with the analogy, you need a bar to support the barbells,= and that bar is traditional consumer electronic radios sold at retail. Thi= s traditional CE market is huge in its own right, and penetrating it first = leads to more rapid adoption in cars and portables. The traditional CE market is too big for iBiquity or radio broadcasters to = ignore. As I have written previously, in a normal year (not this year), 15 = million or so cars are sold with AM/FM receivers; 65 million AM/FM tuners a= re sold in all other CE products =96 home stereos, table radios, clock radi= os, boom boxes, iPod docks, aftermarket car radios, etc. That=92s a lot of = radios and potential listening. But even if you just want to focus on the barbell strategy, you can=92t do = it without this CE bar. Let me explain. Take cars. Consumer electronics almost never penetrate the factory installe= d auto market without first proving out in the CE segment. Automakers won= =92t put new consumer technology in cars until they are certain that it wor= ks and there is demand for it. CE products in cars we now take for granted = =96 AM/FM radio, CD players, DVD players, mobile phone, iPod and Bluetooth = connectivity =96 were all in the consumer market for several years before t= hey ever made it into cars. Even when carmakers choose to include a new CE = product, their development cycles are typically so long (your new 2013 ride= is being designed now), that rapid introduction is almost never possible. = You have to be a success in CE first. Somewhat similar dynamics exist in portable products. Mobile phones and MP3= players have limited space to add new applications. So before the manufact= urers or wireless carriers devote precious real estate to a new feature, th= ey must believe that it will help them sell more of their devices or lead t= o incremental revenue. You must demonstrate that product potential in the t= raditional CE market. Think of digital cameras and MP3 players becoming est= ablished standalones before they became incorporated into mobile phones. Traditional CE, then, is both a huge market in its own right and the bar ne= cessary to execute the barbell strategy. So it=92s good HD Radio technology= has made great progress there. Almost 100 different products from some of = the most recognized names in CE are in the market across all segments, incl= uding hot categories like iPod docks. Prices are as low as $79. Distributio= n is at more than 14,000 stores including Best Buy, Radio Shack, Target and= Wal-Mart. And importantly, products contain new consumer friendly features= like iTunes Tagging. There is a solid bar being built here. Good thing, be= cause the barbells are getting bigger. The auto progress has been particularly encouraging. A short year ago, HD R= adio technology was available on BMW and Mini vehicles, and only as a stand= alone option. Now Mercedes, Hyundai, Volvo and Jaguar also offer the techno= logy and there have been announcements from Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Toyota= =92s Scion, Audi and Kia on their near in launch plans. In all, there are 1= 2 car makers offering or having announced their plans to launch HD Radio te= chnology and together they will be installing HD Radio receivers in more th= an 70 vehicle lines. Not only are there more automakers offering the product, more consumers are= taking it, as we move from a standalone option to having HD Radio technolo= gy included in popular option packages or, in the best case, being offered = as standard equipment. Our factory auto sales have soared, and we expect si= gnificant additional launch announcements soon. The car side of the barbell= is getting heavy. HD Radio Portable Portable Unit And we are getting ready to add some plates to the portable side of the bar= bell. We just completed a necessary technical requirement, developing with = our partners Samsung and SiPort second generation HD Radio chips with power= levels suitable for use in portables. At the Consumer Electronics Show, we= demonstrated the first ever armband HD Radio receiver (it=92s an MP3 playe= r too), and there is a lot of product development in the portables space. W= e are working with several brands to make sure consumers will see these pro= ducts this year. As they say, stay tuned, it will be exciting. So we believe the barbell strategy - modified to include the bar - is cruci= al to a successful HD Radio rollout. We have been working on it for several= years, and believe we are seeing the results. We have a strong bar of trad= itional CE products in the market, the car side of the barbell is growing i= mpressively, and we have all the elements in place to load up the portable = side. We have come a long way in a short time. So help us lift that barbell. It will help the radio industry get stronger = and grow. =85 Thanks for reading, and let me know what you think: email to thoughts@ibiqu= ity.com. I read, consider and try to respond to all of them.=20 Bob Struble From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 03 16:03:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69271 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2009 23:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2009 23:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2009 23:03:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2009 23:02:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2009 23:02:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:02:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.160 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: OT Microsoft Virus Removal Tool X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=gT2QeqlE0tmE-tUKZZyZ39rwp2tQ6DNvM5S2tSW9J2wGwVfsNA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 By the way (just curiosity), Does somebody know which is the percentage of = Windows-Mac machines in use in the radio media in USA? Here, in Chile, I just know two people with Mac in the recording studio. Al= l the others are Windows. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kevin redding wrote: > >=20 > On Apr 2, 2009, at 8:15 AM, KJ4HYD wrote: >=20 > > Get a Mac! >=20 > Amen to that. They may cost more but you get what you pay for. >=20 > Kevin > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Apr 03 16:14:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65937 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2009 23:14:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2009 23:14:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2009 23:14:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20336 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Apr 2009 23:13:38 -0000 Message-ID: <104047.20313.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Gpcpol8VM1kkwtBRMyO0gONYogGnot94SM2nnzFcLMtbHWbQPo7lM6ozq0PxhnEnOKJVKiMotgvKyV_TShO1bG5MMU3KAlE5dBtTHkKurCeGCwqI3rdh0ll0IkeSnUycsRSzCHl89beqtIRvO3HL_FMSNGbiR41zIPumFUcjvlf0lWbytIKyxpBO5GQOsQcW5ew4HHeWkofXGeNv2bqmzPGfE6muf53n2NUld0Yywgy6VKtovb.OLcEumlNtEhWh_ommNm0nJx1_x3EDK0OTXqz11h4TYo1gAbFtfbcHcpLmO0Dgc4awmXiF7LmMSp1u3aivBqH22dAZTFQ- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:13:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:13:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Need some help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tIJ8TKDlv67Qrqaw7NoJby65siWPSyYTvGmXnLZ6g7Lrvw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Thass nod auwayz troooo...(hic), I try it, ann come up widda confucious coi= l, or a cashewdus, or cadushus, SOME weird kinda thing...didin toon da an-a= n-(hic)tenna tooo good, bud it ma-a-id my TV disappear ann my wa-a-a-tch (h= ic) ran basswards...I need anover round! =20 I was once brought before a judge on a wild Friday night, he looked down fr= om the bench and said "Son, do you know why you were brought before this co= urt?" "No" I replied. He says "You were brought in here for drinking." I said "DASS FINE, YOU HONOR! LESS GED STARTED!") (ggggroan) G --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Powell E. Way III wrote: > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Need some help > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 9:45 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > Now if you have 125 wines before you try to wind the coil > you won't be able to wind the coil, but you'll be > really happy....=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell.... being silly >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 >=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, jimsmith95650@ > sbcglobal. net sbcglobal. net> wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > >=20 > > > Hi Gang I need some help with >=20 > > the loading coil for the A.L. I can't remember if > it is 120 >=20 > > or 125 wines for the loading coil. Can some one help > me >=20 > > please. I would also like to change freq's also. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Apr 03 17:28:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29578 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2009 00:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2009 00:28:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2009 00:28:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87217 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2009 00:27:58 -0000 Message-ID: <272237.87190.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3P05VSgVM1n8nDuceMlyWGDs3Cp0vJRO10IbozVvfwAuF51ER4axeBpPM44Tk3LwElcSHq9C.i32GGC7XS_EpFRBsrz53WG.Qg4MExD14zhgg787eB4cype3ZCBmnv.bHclEFIgptMipfQ.56U.CZVtO_NxKNo8g.15190nbXt1ZMhc6Sntp37KpoqCpYtcEyhtEFtRvBxmfk8AX5T6i0EkALFGCnT2Do7oltvcf4fUn2J6XiodWNkEuAYmzKcp38_FDGKehxT31XFpCrPBNwUT0h1QsMvmE.wd74T.EiAnM7LYWZF7.LI.vVsCHzZ7k3cvQpyqXYBujin.c2F1qSBy8KgfBtKx3yrQ- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:27:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 17:27:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} iBiquity pushing the Buzz on CE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=W45quuHzT4nAE2a6xyJ4DrbIaFAkZMlIXpSjORheBqvSrw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 I will "uptake" iBiquity when they quit trying to amaze me with GPS, blinki= ng lights, and artificial intelligence, and come up with a way to deliver G= OOD SOUND through the car stereo or portable player. We already have it..REAL radio in the car, and a decent Walkman on the belt= ! Sorry, iBiquity has already made enemies with some of us, will no doubt mak= e a few more, and unless they go into the business of IMPROVING radio, by m= aking it sound BETTER, they will NEVER EVER get a dime or a kind remark fro= m me! The "digital-is-better" mantra may convince some, but there are still a few= of us who aren't falling for it. And the lower the bit-rate, (IE, the mor= e revenue squeezed out of a piece of spectrum), the less likely anybody but= the hard-core I-Sheep will want it. And what they are touting for the fut= ure will have more artifacts in one second of "audio" than Indiana Jones co= uld dig up in ten lifetimes! When I see a paragraph using both "benefit th= e consumer" and "iPod" or "mp3", I want to puke. Please, don't call me an audiophool, I don't use $400 knobs on my amp, or c= ryogenically treated vacuum tubes...I just want decent sound, and iBiquity = is the LAST place I will ever look for THAT! G "10,000 songs in your pocket...and they all sound like crap!" =20 --- On Fri, 4/3/09, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: {AMSF} iBiquity pushing the Buzz on CE > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 5:05 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > iBiquity pushing the Buzz on CE: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thoughts on Radio=E2=80=99s Digital Future >=20 > The Barbell Strategy: Bulking Up for Radio=E2=80=99s Growth >=20 >=20 >=20 > Bob Struble:=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Cars and portables, that=E2=80=99s where we need to be: we=E2=80=99re > focused on it and making great progress. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I=E2=80=99ve been writing a lot recently about the device side, > the dynamics and importance of radio receivers. On that > topic, my long time friend Lew Dickey has a colorful way of > communicating where he (and many other broadcasters) thinks > we should focus our efforts on HD Radio uptake. He says, > =E2=80=9CBob, it=E2=80=99s the barbell strategy, you need to be in cars > and portables, and nothing else matters.=E2=80=9D I qualify > somewhat that pure sentiment, but there is tremendous logic > to the barbell strategy, and we are seeing some great > advances. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hopefully, it is reasonably clear why the two sides of the > barbell are important. Listening in cars is where the money > is: we all know drive time drives revenue, so radio cannot > cede its preeminent place in the dash. And portables - MP3 > players, mobile phones, personal navigation devices (PNDs) > are part of radio=E2=80=99s future. No one is carrying around > transistor radios anymore. To stay ubiquitous, to maintain > its reach, radio must be on the devices that people carry. > We also believe cars and portables offer the best place for > consumers to benefit from newly emerging HD Radio > applications which are critical to increase consumer demand > and broadcaster return on investment. >=20 >=20 >=20 > iTunes Tagging, for example, where a consumer can press a > button and capture song information for later purchase at > the iTunes store, makes a ton of sense in cars as opposed to > fumbling for a pen to write down a song and driving into a > tree. Tagging is also a compelling application in mobile > phones and MP3 players, where a consumer can directly > purchase and place songs on her primary music storage > device. Wireless carriers and device manufacturers will also > like the revenue these purchases generate. >=20 >=20 >=20 > And real time traffic info over HD Radio bandwidth could be > a killer app when delivered to navigation systems built into > cars or PNDs. This capability has the potential to drive HD > Radio receiver uptake and produce incremental revenue for > broadcasters, and the two sides of the barbell are perfect > device targets for it. >=20 >=20 >=20 > So the barbell strategy is critical. But I believe you have > to qualify it somewhat. To stick with the analogy, you need > a bar to support the barbells, and that bar is traditional > consumer electronic radios sold at retail. This traditional > CE market is huge in its own right, and penetrating it first > leads to more rapid adoption in cars and portables. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The traditional CE market is too big for iBiquity or radio > broadcasters to ignore. As I have written previously, in a > normal year (not this year), 15 million or so cars are sold > with AM/FM receivers; 65 million AM/FM tuners are sold in > all other CE products =E2=80=93 home stereos, table radios, clock > radios, boom boxes, iPod docks, aftermarket car radios, etc. > That=E2=80=99s a lot of radios and potential listening. >=20 >=20 >=20 > But even if you just want to focus on the barbell strategy, > you can=E2=80=99t do it without this CE bar. Let me explain. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Take cars. Consumer electronics almost never penetrate the > factory installed auto market without first proving out in > the CE segment. Automakers won=E2=80=99t put new consumer > technology in cars until they are certain that it works and > there is demand for it. CE products in cars we now take for > granted =E2=80=93 AM/FM radio, CD players, DVD players, mobile > phone, iPod and Bluetooth connectivity =E2=80=93 were all in the > consumer market for several years before they ever made it > into cars. Even when carmakers choose to include a new CE > product, their development cycles are typically so long > (your new 2013 ride is being designed now), that rapid > introduction is almost never possible. You have to be a > success in CE first. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Somewhat similar dynamics exist in portable products. > Mobile phones and MP3 players have limited space to add new > applications. So before the manufacturers or wireless > carriers devote precious real estate to a new feature, they > must believe that it will help them sell more of their > devices or lead to incremental revenue. You must demonstrate > that product potential in the traditional CE market. Think > of digital cameras and MP3 players becoming established > standalones before they became incorporated into mobile > phones. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Traditional CE, then, is both a huge market in its own > right and the bar necessary to execute the barbell strategy. > So it=E2=80=99s good HD Radio technology has made great progress > there. Almost 100 different products from some of the most > recognized names in CE are in the market across all > segments, including hot categories like iPod docks. Prices > are as low as $79. Distribution is at more than 14,000 > stores including Best Buy, Radio Shack, Target and Wal-Mart. > And importantly, products contain new consumer friendly > features like iTunes Tagging. There is a solid bar being > built here. Good thing, because the barbells are getting > bigger. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The auto progress has been particularly encouraging. A > short year ago, HD Radio technology was available on BMW and > Mini vehicles, and only as a standalone option. Now > Mercedes, Hyundai, Volvo and Jaguar also offer the > technology and there have been announcements from Ford, > Lincoln, Mercury, Toyota=E2=80=99s Scion, Audi and Kia on their > near in launch plans. In all, there are 12 car makers > offering or having announced their plans to launch HD Radio > technology and together they will be installing HD Radio > receivers in more than 70 vehicle lines. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Not only are there more automakers offering the product, > more consumers are taking it, as we move from a standalone > option to having HD Radio technology included in popular > option packages or, in the best case, being offered as > standard equipment. Our factory auto sales have soared, and > we expect significant additional launch announcements soon. > The car side of the barbell is getting heavy. >=20 > HD Radio Portable >=20 >=20 >=20 > Portable Unit >=20 >=20 >=20 > And we are getting ready to add some plates to the portable > side of the barbell. We just completed a necessary technical > requirement, developing with our partners Samsung and SiPort > second generation HD Radio chips with power levels suitable > for use in portables. At the Consumer Electronics Show, we > demonstrated the first ever armband HD Radio receiver > (it=E2=80=99s an MP3 player too), and there is a lot of product > development in the portables space. We are working with > several brands to make sure consumers will see these > products this year. As they say, stay tuned, it will be > exciting. >=20 >=20 >=20 > So we believe the barbell strategy - modified to include > the bar - is crucial to a successful HD Radio rollout. We > have been working on it for several years, and believe we > are seeing the results. We have a strong bar of traditional > CE products in the market, the car side of the barbell is > growing impressively, and we have all the elements in place > to load up the portable side. We have come a long way in a > short time. >=20 >=20 >=20 > So help us lift that barbell. It will help the radio > industry get stronger and grow. >=20 >=20 >=20 > =E2=80=A6 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks for reading, and let me know what you think: email > to thoughts@ibiquity. > com. I read, consider and try to respond to all of them. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Bob Struble >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Apr 03 17:59:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11949 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2009 00:59:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 4 Apr 2009 00:59:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s19.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2009 00:59:49 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W59 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s19.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 3 Apr 2009 17:59:29 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 00:59:28 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: <272237.87190.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <272237.87190.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2009 00:59:29.0153 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B738710:01C9B4C0] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} iBiquity pushing the Buzz on CE X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=h1jaUfbyvdgaKdE5Amh8Zhn0Fj2okFUCStbfrdD5fUFVDI3fAGm1up2_BgU X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed; hybrid digital leaves much to be desired and doesn't even begin to = address the root causes of terrestrial radio's decline. =20 The original post sure has a lot of BS (Bob Struble)...... if he gets paid = by the word, he must be a billionaire! A lot of verbage without saying any= thing significant or original. =20 Donn =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: wlx1430@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 17:27:57 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} iBiquity pushing the Buzz on CE I will "uptake" iBiquity when they quit trying to amaze me with GPS, blinki= ng lights, and artificial intelligence, and come up with a way to deliver G= OOD SOUND through the car stereo or portable player. We already have it..REAL radio in the car, and a decent Walkman on the belt= ! Sorry, iBiquity has already made enemies with some of us, will no doubt mak= e a few more, and unless they go into the business of IMPROVING radio, by m= aking it sound BETTER, they will NEVER EVER get a dime or a kind remark fro= m me! The "digital-is-better" mantra may convince some, but there are still a few= of us who aren't falling for it. And the lower the bit-rate, (IE, the more= revenue squeezed out of a piece of spectrum), the less likely anybody but = the hard-core I-Sheep will want it. And what they are touting for the futur= e will have more artifacts in one second of "audio" than Indiana Jones coul= d dig up in ten lifetimes! When I see a paragraph using both "benefit the c= onsumer" and "iPod" or "mp3", I want to puke. Please, don't call me an audiophool, I don't use $400 knobs on my amp, or c= ryogenically treated vacuum tubes...I just want decent sound, and iBiquity = is the LAST place I will ever look for THAT! G "10,000 songs in your pocket...and they all sound like crap!" =20 >=20 >=20 > iBiquity pushing the Buzz on CE: >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thoughts on Radio=92s Digital Future >=20 > The Barbell Strategy: Bulking Up for Radio=92s Growth >=20 >=20 >=20 > Bob Struble:=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Cars and portables, that=92s where we need to be: we=92re > focused on it and making great progress. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I=92ve been writing a lot recently about the device side, > the dynamics and importance of radio receivers. On that > topic, my long time friend Lew Dickey has a colorful way of > communicating where he (and many other broadcasters) thinks > we should focus our efforts on HD Radio uptake. He says, > =93Bob, it=92s the barbell strategy, you need to be in cars > and portables, and nothing else matters.=94 I qualify > somewhat that pure sentiment, but there is tremendous logic > to the barbell strategy, and we are seeing some great > advances. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hopefully, it is reasonably clear why the two sides of the > barbell are important. Listening in cars is where the money > is: we all know drive time drives revenue, so radio cannot > cede its preeminent place in the dash. And portables - MP3 > players, mobile phones, personal navigation devices (PNDs) > are part of radio=92s future. No one is carrying around > transistor radios anymore. To stay ubiquitous, to maintain > its reach, radio must be on the devices that people carry. > We also believe cars and portables offer the best place for > consumers to benefit from newly emerging HD Radio > applications which are critical to increase consumer demand > and broadcaster return on investment. >=20 >=20 >=20 > iTunes Tagging, for example, where a consumer can press a > button and capture song information for later purchase at > the iTunes store, makes a ton of sense in cars as opposed to > fumbling for a pen to write down a song and driving into a > tree. Tagging is also a compelling application in mobile > phones and MP3 players, where a consumer can directly > purchase and place songs on her primary music storage > device. Wireless carriers and device manufacturers will also > like the revenue these purchases generate. >=20 >=20 >=20 > And real time traffic info over HD Radio bandwidth could be > a killer app when delivered to navigation systems built into > cars or PNDs. This capability has the potential to drive HD > Radio receiver uptake and produce incremental revenue for > broadcasters, and the two sides of the barbell are perfect > device targets for it. >=20 >=20 >=20 > So the barbell strategy is critical. But I believe you have > to qualify it somewhat. To stick with the analogy, you need > a bar to support the barbells, and that bar is traditional > consumer electronic radios sold at retail. This traditional > CE market is huge in its own right, and penetrating it first > leads to more rapid adoption in cars and portables. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The traditional CE market is too big for iBiquity or radio >=20 >=20 > Somewhat similar dynamics exist in portable products. > Mobile phones and MP3 players have limited space to add new > applications. So before the manufacturers or wireless > carriers devote precious real estate to a new feature, they > must believe that it will help them sell more of their > devices or lead to incremental revenue. You must demonstrate > that product potential in the traditional CE market. Think > of digital cameras and MP3 players becoming established > standalones before they became incorporated into mobile > phones. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Traditional CE, then, is both a huge market in its own > right and the bar necessary to execute the barbell strategy. > So it=92s good HD Radio technology has made great progress > there. Almost 100 different products from some of the most > recognized names in CE are in the market across all > segments, including hot categories like iPod docks. Prices > are as low as $79. Distribution is at more than 14,000 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Bob Struble >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Apr 06 07:35:48 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31528;u=;t=1239626269;m=275583400;s=152914227; From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Apr 06 07:40:21 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31529;u=;t=1239626269;m=1201532880;s=2628345942; From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Apr 06 08:35:29 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31530;u=;t=1239626269;m=10104954;s=2628345942; From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Apr 06 09:05:52 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31531;u=;t=1239626300;m=577315235;s=2628345942; From w6yn@juno.com Mon Apr 06 09:08:29 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31532;u=;t=1239626300;m=447154523;s=2628345942; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Mon Apr 06 09:41:34 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31533;u=;t=1239626300;m=1689172373;s=2628345942; From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Apr 06 10:16:26 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31534;u=;t=1239626306;m=1356439255;s=1060545014; From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Apr 06 10:19:37 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31535;u=;t=1239626306;m=1392783870;s=2628345942; From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Apr 06 10:38:17 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31536;u=;t=1239626306;m=644967182;s=2628345942; From mtgc@hotmail.com Mon Apr 06 13:16:24 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31537;u=;t=1239626314;m=108755268;s=2628345942; From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Apr 06 14:32:10 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31538;u=;t=1239626314;m=784250062;s=2628345942; From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Apr 06 14:32:22 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31539;u=;t=1239626314;m=404396865;s=2628345942; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Apr 06 15:56:18 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31540;u=;t=1239626322;m=684242700;s=2628345942; From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Apr 06 19:58:03 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31541;u=;t=1239626322;m=1037545094;s=2628345942; From mwradio@gmx.net Mon Apr 06 20:31:31 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31542;u=;t=1239626322;m=1021208288;s=2628345942; From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Apr 06 21:32:09 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31543;u=;t=1239626330;m=963986640;s=2628345942; From mwradio@gmx.net Tue Apr 07 06:06:40 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31544;u=;t=1239626330;m=693458718;s=2628345942; From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Apr 07 07:29:32 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31545;u=;t=1239626330;m=731787296;s=2628345942; From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Apr 07 07:39:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97034 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2009 14:39:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2009 14:39:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 14:39:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2009 14:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2009 14:39:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:39:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Finally got me a Panasonic VP-8252P quad format AMS signal generator. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=dBnz0lsaL0lYSl9x3ajUcJWxJDEAattWWVpKjlceEXu3 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd scored one for $160.00!!!! almost scored another motorola AMS exciter but the dude bid it over $200.00= damned if i'm going to pay that much for a generation 1 exciter. also scored a talking house two. should have them by weeks end. From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Apr 07 08:50:14 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31547;u=;t=1239626338;m=1177609186;s=2628345942; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 07 09:50:03 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31548;u=;t=1239626338;m=1856468039;s=2628345942; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 07 09:54:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82298 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2009 16:53:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2009 16:53:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 16:53:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2009 16:53:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2009 16:53:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:52:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.167 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Surround related question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=TDgcQNRETpbNe0V_TKt28iUvEEG2xfEAQxc5bqVvhTc_RnQjAg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! Does somebody know a web source to real 5.1 surround sound music? Some YouTube clips offer it but... it doesn't work. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 07 10:28:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20462 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2009 17:28:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 7 Apr 2009 17:28:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 17:28:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76047 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2009 17:27:08 -0000 Message-ID: <590574.74971.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: vCmTRI8VM1mJS3tfUh7zVEsKtkJyWSFBpXyt1EuenmxCGTJEWaLK5.KAmJKNQdD8NT6Ewx_BJ_nvzQwkgp0_qhJ6jAxnXM8Q32J7QI0CfqZU.EMpBWotR7XlnTEvU0WtwdOjdCFaxsht_MipS2OYOo8wt._X9Y5XUEtUUOrU7OWCC9cHuJ7FZJsrPyDKIxuTUUzCPHpnXheNcaXDbqdeUrW5sgtcIlx.uWhk3tWuw.BcGTJFyKOl4xKzlx0alUmqNj0Jo4G1DWuyoy9GHlmDaU0ynPJRmbW4vpQ- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 10:27:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.15 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:27:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re-Invent AM (stereo) Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=22vk2slAKFs9O3y-6Gsp8OwNBxwhNYMfOlDze-xYnjRJbBKOpmr0mdA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I listed online to Manx Radio, which features one "presenter" (we call them DJ's or on-air personalities) who was once here in the USA on a Top40 station where I live. He has a live call-in show nightly, with a huge selection of music, and people text him requests, email requests, or ring-him-up on the phone. It's about talking and connecting with your audience and what the music means to you and to your listeners and then playing the music - but not without relating to the listeners first. I'd love to have an AM Stereo station here in the states like the Late Show on Manx Radio! -John From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Apr 07 11:36:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4510 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2009 18:36:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 7 Apr 2009 18:36:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 18:36:04 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imr-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.c77.45b5a6c4 (37056) for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:35:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB042-5c5a49db9cfa34; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:35:43 -0400 X-Received: from mblk-d49 (mblk-d49.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.233]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA038-5c5a49db9cfa34; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:35:38 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:35:38 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 66.76.118.53 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42402-STANDARD X-Received: from 66.76.118.53 by mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.233) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:35:38 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB85C6C80BEDF1-13FC-987@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The only report card in radio is ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6lTcXy78AVW7dUnidi9C5M9tKJtPJg4EggiyyGwhREcA8Zay4RlAxtbPvu6ywPYK X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there is a common point here Only if the station has a directional array. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Apr 07 11:43:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92292 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2009 18:43:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2009 18:43:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2009 18:43:39 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.cf3.53a3747a (34988) for ; Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:42:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB011-5c4a49db9e8638f; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:42:22 -0500 X-Received: from mblk-d49 (mblk-d49.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.233]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA018-5c4a49db9e8638f; Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:42:14 -0400 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:42:14 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 66.76.118.53 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42402-STANDARD X-Received: from 66.76.118.53 by mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.233) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:42:14 -0400 Message-Id: <8CB85C7B46D5618-13FC-9F7@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The only report card in radio is ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=OPr8tzD9SNzGyXG7pPAZu6jN526VK12-qAgg7pCECuLbW-4-UbXWodMY_SitrEm1 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, The problem of lacking originality isn't confined to AM radio.? Most of the first run movies out here in the states are poor remakes, sequels, and prequels of movies that weren't all that good to begin with.? They take a successful movie that was "A" grade in the 50s, remake it with B-grade actors doing C-grade performance and hope the CGI pulls it through. In engineering, I see the same thing.? Substituting technology for talent.? The U.S., and possibly the World, is being Wal Marted.?? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 07 19:41:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: labonte43nc@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94931 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2009 02:41:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2009 02:41:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 02:41:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2009 02:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2009 02:41:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 02:41:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.235.175.131 From: "Scott Higbee" Subject: New Photo's X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=257511206; y=8fYFwNNn8xirCtEC2aX125mGelUbY7cTkNvR1OsrfZXEsO2p5YR04_jQidQFM2-sKP8Ezw X-Yahoo-Profile: labonte43nc =20=20 I thought everyone would like to see the intallation of a RAZ into the das= h opening of a 1994 GMC Safari. Check out the photo page. :) From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 08 05:50:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71034 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2009 12:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 8 Apr 2009 12:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 12:49:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34176 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2009 12:49:43 -0000 Message-ID: <454370.33901.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: z5BsGeAVM1nA7uCrSPjLsDIMWmiuZkShecXGe7_DW7X9nNAH20RqSq.3wjhgL5HNpg2KhE4Rlfc3YfCcAlYjI3k.x.IniH7bO1snZLgluystn9.cuBm_rBe3AB5YevLjc8lOFJP2_oBV7C9_a1aWipLXCFH1SOdO0NZ3LpbFFWTs5dk5Wu71J6xiQH6OP3kT_00KRcAU95Mw2Pp9uw.ZbSh32w26D9m29SokL9YvGhfKOCnolXjCmRYq7FdoX4yjJDbagmZYrxmVNFHimjmUz8Wn5kmU_8.TbA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:49:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.15 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 05:49:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: re:Finally got me a Panasonic VP-8252P quad format AMS signal generator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=N6QMvlO6K-_hkyw--N6dvwH_tVNClivHn4n-R-stw1bz6l408Tue_3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Now that's a great score! Now you just need a multi-mode receiver to hear which AM Stereo format sounds the best. Let us know how it works and sounds. 73's John From w6yn@juno.com Wed Apr 08 08:50:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82126 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2009 15:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by 98.137.34.37 with QMQP; 8 Apr 2009 15:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 15:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail06.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.146]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE73T7MA4T2EQA for (sender ); Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:50:03 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8RqG7++3wDJYeHiYrp/sBw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail06.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PDMVS3X8; Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:49:56 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.212.115] by webmail06.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:49:43 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:49:43 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090408.084943.20743.2@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3076302650 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.146|webmail06.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Get in the biz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=JghC6wu7CERCEK2pAqDYX31kjSrdC7-WaWfWJRF4WA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Atlanta FM 102.9 sold for $235,000. Get in the biz on the cheap!=20 From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Apr 08 10:12:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42367 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2009 17:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2009 17:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2009 17:12:23 -0000 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id r.bdf.4c10abd3 (29679) for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:12:02 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Get in the biz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=kaBBZf8V-r5YB6iiKdCsGlsAe5umdgBQvQXOOMucWZ1imDxB1o3_pmWCP1hkpLYI X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand one could purchase a ticket on Titanic pretty cheap after it hit the iceberg as well. The local cable company will provide a slot in the FM spectrum on its system as well as furnish a modulator free of charge for anyone willing to provide the programming. The only cost is the telco line to the cable system's front end. No one has ever taken them up on the offer. This only goes to show Arkansians are as dumb as we look, Billy Bob "Sling Blade" Thornton being the exception. However, he got Angelina Jolie, so even he must have something going for him. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Apr 08 23:20:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51636 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2009 06:20:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2009 06:20:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2009 06:20:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2009 06:20:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2009 06:20:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 06:20:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090408.084943.20743.2@webmail06.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.105 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Get in the biz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=eP2yHuGT8D9bibGjgT4m6dFwqy-4nywUsPlEsgWwf0nfo5g7oA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 With all that money I could build 10 or more stations here!!! Maybe I should play the Lottery game. Perhaps... GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. paredes G. from Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote= : > > Atlanta FM 102.9 sold for $235,000. >=20 > Get in the biz on the cheap! > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Apr 09 05:02:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28787 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2009 12:02:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2009 12:02:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2009 12:02:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2009 12:02:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2009 12:02:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:02:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <454370.33901.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: re:Finally got me a Panasonic VP-8252P quad format AMS signal generator X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=c1ovP-zMac0AMaJcpjYo4m5k1-RQiBlAu90OIncUsfE6 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd all i have is a TM-152 and my friend has a delco AMS receiver in his car. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 09 07:25:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84307 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2009 14:24:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2009 14:24:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2009 14:24:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63487 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2009 14:24:58 -0000 Message-ID: <45551.63340.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Yg6iHikVM1lbK8Bhcn0OHqyPce_JcELCV6F5bszuck_iZAr9ZfbeZKZNEn.y9AT_9NzTmdjjwRLrjC2IB7FcHlpQjboSCZPYTv8qKyXD0AXdx_aEIO_jznD77BH8voneRoj4X8HjrjqZdBTG__l0VEr4KrGUVWWU7Qc_9qvIJjQ3_Zfras6B56DyYFLTWmvt4XtT5PzsTI1lPEqTSGGZnIjsnQmDG92RbqFMTslYSmHUx3bH8EZxkFBJCDz8qtR.oooHtJENCZHR4cQOUthrkFWeZJMifrZB4T8- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:24:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.15 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 07:24:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Broadcast over local cablesystem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=hbdpYGkJAF_0ogfc4iGr1noe3lKOIBA9ezW8hqU1ZWQJlg19bsipI3c X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mike wrote: "...The local cable company will provide a slot in the FM spectrum on its system as well as furnish a modulator free of charge for anyone willing to provide the programming. The only cost is the telco line to the cable system's front end." Could you provide music, or would that start to get into he legal crap about royalties and all that jazz? John From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Apr 09 07:31:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59571 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2009 14:31:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2009 14:31:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.144) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2009 14:31:51 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so421850qwc.10 for ; Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:31:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.61.20 with SMTP id r20mr2839792qah.249.1239287511302; Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.34.22.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.34.22.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.22]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm254601qwe.55.2009.04.09.07.31.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <45551.63340.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:31:44 -0400 References: <45551.63340.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Broadcast over local cablesystem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=8o6sJS34P9oJARh44bCF7gJcHs_aCqbKfzFsnLH4D1VKEyFGqw0i0RC1zo_Gxw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:24 AM, John P. wrote: > Could you provide music, or would that start to get into he legal > crap about royalties and all that jazz? You would have to pay license fees and all of that Jazz in order to play Jazz, or any other music but Public domain. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Apr 09 09:10:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28883 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2009 16:09:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2009 16:09:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-jn.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.20) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2009 16:09:59 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-jn.dca.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE76HP3AZCWLK2 for (sender ); Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:09:29 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8+mx3b9T07nYEcvMJYwnZs= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by m04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PDQHA7EY; Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:09:16 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:53:34 -0700 Message-ID: <20090409.090901.1652.3.w6yn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.1.83 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,8,19-32767 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:986569487 X-MAIL-INFO:254f6ab76a93ea93eaf3ea170b83d3cf7713ab0bf71aafdb27da1a8ab7ce63d38a979a3a7f3a6a936f1ec74acb6bbfc3c7ea6a5f X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|outbound-jn.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.20 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Historic KRML - For Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=X0BNTcvS24qwsLyA_YrptslckiGwS-6YSjMEfKQELQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carmel's KRML, the backdrop for Clint Eastwood=92s =93Play Misty For Me=94 flick, may be sold.=20 KRML is closing down its =93Jazz and Blues Company=94 retail store, for sur= e, and a station sale may follow. KRML=92s located in the =93historic Eastwood Building in downtown Carmel=94, says the Monterey Herald. Owner David Kimball says sale negotiations are being finalized now. The Herald says KRML was listed last year at $1.8 million, along with its =93Jazz and Blues Company=94 operation and a live-performance space. =93Jazz by the Sea=94 KR= ML is at 1410 and has 500 watts daytime and 16 watts after sundown. As you=92d imagine, it also streams its unique jazz and blues programming at KRMLRadio.com. If you haven=92t seen the 1971 noir-ish =93Play Misty For Me= =94 =96 it=92s about a whispery-voiced jazz DJ and an obsessed female fan. Eastwood himself is an aficionado of jazz and a pretty fair jazz pianist. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Apr 09 13:19:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97170 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2009 20:19:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2009 20:19:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2009 20:19:14 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN7-849de57ee3e0; Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:17:50 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bf5.554c4001 (39332) for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:17:41 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Broadcast over local cablesystem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=l3Uu08xajVBDL6z1t1JZij2ZCrQhRuJ6kpkHUSy6KXMW85sdirev7sH9UKRynUba X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe it would still be considered a public performance. I don't know how large the listenership would be. The cable I use to connect my car radio to my house doesn't reach very far. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Apr 09 16:18:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91025 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2009 23:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2009 23:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2009 23:17:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2009 23:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2009 23:17:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:17:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Panasonic VP-8252P Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=AfBqou-eylCdjptgBRClN55OSXmBu3XfHHqoNvOiIlB4 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd anyone have a copy of the manual for a Panasonic VP-8252P? From w6yn@juno.com Thu Apr 09 19:07:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33267 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2009 02:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2009 02:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 02:07:42 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail06.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.146]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE77LRAAZTMPSA for (sender ); Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:07:28 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD/G58IzXKf/2ZbM1/zx764g= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail06.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PDRKHQMN; Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:07:01 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.212.115] by webmail06.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:06:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:06:55 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090409.190655.13646.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 16:8:717811486 X-MAIL-INFO:0bcd103d1029e929e190cde520211115d9191179010034a1b910ddf4740909a110a1d4442090812909ad244d91e9 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.146|webmail06.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: "HD radio really does sound better than regular radio" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=vamsA_XfwUhtkh-uKsMZ8Xu8NG1YKVydWWeipWCphQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES: HD Radio Crying Out to Be Heard=20 By DAVID POGUE Published: April 8, 2009 Q: How do you make an HD radio executive bang his head against the wall? A: Ask him, =93What=92s HD radio?=94 The HD radio alliance has spent millions of dollars on promotion, ads and e= ducational efforts. Yet even after four years of this, most people still do= n=92t have any idea what HD radio is. And no wonder. You can=92t sum up HD radio in a one-line movie pitch (=93It= =92s =91Forrest Gump=92 meets =91The Terminator=92 !=94). It takes a couple= of paragraphs to explain it. Back in the mists of time (2001-ish), the big bosses of AM and FM were frea= ked out by the imminent arrival of satellite radio. Satellite was going to = offer hundreds of stations, better sound, no fading of stations as you drov= e from city to city and music channels without any commercials at all. So the big bosses decided to fight technology with technology =97 and they = came up with HD radio. The whole thing simmered along in relative obscurity for several years. But= in the last few weeks, a series of milestones and current events have alig= ned to make HD radio worth another look. First, the thousandth American radio station began broadcasting alternative= =93multicast=94 channels in HD (more on this shortly). Second, the hundredth HD radio model went on sale. And finally, Sirius XM, = the ailing satellite radio company, narrowly escaped having to file for ban= kruptcy. All right, then, once and for all: What is HD radio? It=92s a digital broadcast that=92s cleverly blended in with the analog AM = or FM signal that you already get. Same stations, paid for by the same ads,= but upgraded for superior digital sound. What the ads say is true: AM stations sound like traditional FM (most are e= ven in stereo), and the FM channels sound like a CD. There=92s no static, e= ver. Better yet, about half of HD radio stations are taking advantage of multica= sting: separate, different FM broadcasts =97 shadow channels =97 beamed out= on the same frequency. They permit radio stations to experiment with niche= , experimental and even interactive programming, usually commercial-free. W= CBS-HD, an oldies station in New York, for example, has two shadow HD chann= els: one playing =9280s hits and one that=92s a better-sounding version of = the AM news channel. And get this: all HD radio broadcasts are free. Take that, $13-a-month sate= llite! O.K., so if HD radio offers so much and costs so little, how come nobody=92= s heard of it? How come fewer than a million people have tuned in? One reason: confusion. It took years for the public to grasp satellite radi= o =97 and now we=92re trying to sell people on yet another kind of radio? (The name doesn=92t help. According to hdradio.com, HD does not stand for h= igh definition; =93it is simply the branding language for this new technolo= gy.=94) Those cool shadow channels are confusing, too. You have to tune in the prim= ary channel first. On some radio models, a =93multicast=94 icon appears on = the screen, if shadow channels are available. Then you hit the up/down tuni= ng buttons to find the multicast channel. Try explaining that to Granddad. HD radio also requires an HD radio receiver. Or, as HD radio=92s tagline pu= ts it, =93If you don=92t have an HD radio, you=92re not hearing HD radio.= =94 (Is that an advertisement =97 or a disclaimer?) These radios aren=92t especially expensive, but the setup can be intimidati= ng to Mr. and Mrs. Average Person. Tabletop HD radios go for $75 and up. Th= irteen car companies, mostly small ones, offer option packages that include= HD radios. You can add an HD receiver to your existing car, too ($200 and = up). There are no pocket HD radios. I tried out HD radios at three points on the price spectrum: Jensen=92s JiM= S-525i ($75), Sony=92s XDR-S10HDiP ($150) and Polk Audio=92s I-Sonic 2 ($35= 0). All double as iPod/iPhone docks and alarm clocks; like all HD radios, t= hese also get regular AM-FM stations. They=92re all great-looking and polis= hed; HD radios have steadily improved year after year. The marketing doesn=92t lie: HD radio really does sound better than regular= radio. AM loses the tinniness. FM gets richer and deeper. You notice the difference instantly if you hear the before-and-after versio= ns of the same channel =97 in the online demo at hdradio.com, for example. = That=92s also why the Polk radio=92s design is so clever: when it tunes int= o an HD radio station, it first plays a couple of seconds of the regular st= ation before kicking into HD. That way, you keep saying, =93Wow, what a dif= ference! Sure glad I bought that radio!=94 Without the side-by-side test, though, you=92re not so aware of what you=92= re missing. An HD radio=92s screen identifies the station, song title and performer (as= some FM radios do now). My test models also offer song tagging: if your iP= od is inserted in the radio when a good song comes on, you can press a Tag = button on the radio. Later, when you sync the iPod with your computer, that= song=92s information shows up in iTunes, so you can remember that song and= (of course) buy it. It works flawlessly. All three of these radios come with substantial AM and FM antennas. The FM = one is a six-foot, T-shaped cord that you mount on a wall =97 not the great= est d=E9cor enhancement, that=92s for sure. Even then, tuning in HD stations is slow =97 scanning takes several seconds= each. Worse, the number of stations can be limited in your area. Digital r= adio is like digital TV: as the signal gets weaker, you don=92t get static = =97 you just lose the station altogether. In my Connecticut town, I pulled down four fantastic-sounding FM HD radio s= tations =97 but not a single AM station or multicasting FM station. Those s= tations didn=92t appear until I tried again closer to Manhattan. To get a wider sampling, I asked my 100,000 Twitter followers if they=92d t= ried HD radio. Sixteen people responded. A dozen wrote that they love the audio quality and, in particular, the vari= ety of those shadow (multicast) FM channels. Half of them complained, however, about reception problems like =93hunting,= =94 where the radio switches back and forth between the HD and regular vers= ions of a channel. Three respondents work in the radio industry. All three expressed doubts ab= out HD radio=92s survival. They cited the cost for radio stations to outfit= themselves for HD broadcasts, and for consumers to buy the radios. The biggest worry, according to one radio guy, is the concept. What draws r= adio customers isn=92t sound quality, it=92s programming. Take satellite ra= dio: it=92s not the audio fidelity that draws an audience, it=92s those 300= (mostly commercial-free) channels =97 featuring the likes of Howard Stern,= Major League Baseball, Martha Stewart and others, as well as dozens of nar= rowly programmed music stations. HD=92s multicast channels could fulfill mu= ch the same mission, but these days, few stations have the money or manpowe= r to work on HD channels. That explains the five Twitter pals who independently mentioned that they l= isten to Internet radio more than HD radio these days, especially on the iP= hone. It may not sound as good, but wow, what programming =97 radio station= s from all over the world, all available free. On the face of it, HD radio is more exciting than it=92s getting credit for= . Plans include traffic reports on the radio screen and special pay-per-vie= w audio events. And HD radio still offers local news and views. Satellite channels are gene= rally national. The numbers look good, too. Two thousand radio stations are now broadcastin= g in HD, 70 car models are available with built-in receivers. But the numbe= r that counts =97 people actually listening to HD radio =97 is shockingly l= ow. Unless the economy turns around, unless satellite goes away, unless rec= eption improves, unless HD gets a reputation for great shows (and not just = great sound), HD may have a tough slog ahead. E-mail: pogue@nytimes.com From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Apr 09 19:24:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39407 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2009 02:24:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2009 02:24:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173017pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.17) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 02:24:23 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KHV001OF5BY03MS@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:24:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <9FA3928B7AF14034936ABA22069BA2F6@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <20090409.190655.13646.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:23:59 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "HD radio really does sound better than regular radio" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=8an9r0RRqtLodSi2nczC_fYGh1mCVgbq855Olkd5zEKjFA X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The last paragraph (below) says it all. Dick W Don Milbury said: ...Two thousand radio stations are now broadcasting in HD, 70 car models are available with built-in receivers. But the number that counts - people actually listening to HD radio - is shockingly low. Unless the economy turns around, unless satellite goes away, unless reception improves, unless HD gets a reputation for great shows (and not just great sound), HD may have a tough slog ahead. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Apr 09 19:51:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28335 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2009 02:51:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2009 02:51:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 02:51:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70531 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2009 02:51:47 -0000 Message-ID: <965047.69040.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gBpB1kAVM1kh5uzCanKzRPnMcptKo2oM5canB5d9aktGNLlE9iMuEIc4h.Vz.KgtyS7zI_X3Fcba_cfBRxUFNTf2ac7GvjiWZwROb1VeMo2oE11BV2utLCA7H5NI.zIdocTbqhAD_a10OZ.rc3tpZ71oFmkiYKf2MUkgYlQcEXs3Aq2jP1YE.EWpsKvN7fZG4M7w3NG2Uux5ZBzuy_n__Wth4rA9_O.nkTnhdL5AS5AMlyk0miOpXzuKLfCyvdAx.6.kMEntu8.bT1brDR9iG6Z5Yn8Am0brjYX27OhSm2hMpZnswKY4X0Iry0KjbwX7iuX1RNQvMncoAA0VSHRz3ZlSf_xMYr2lyw8- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:51:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:51:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} "HD radio really does sound better than regular radio" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=W1RCKB11oqrN7pg7UqlNz4b9-y9qb4By6NfkkedpmiKbdw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 How can it sound better on AM? At THAT bit-rate? Come on, even ATRAC coul= dn't sound good running THAT slow! Excuse my skepticism, but it just does = not seem possible. Maybe on voice, OK, but music, there HAS to be a ton of= artifacts. G --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Dick W wrote: > From: Dick W > Subject: Re: {AMSF} "HD radio really does sound better than regular radio= " > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:23 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > The last paragraph (below) says it all. >=20 > Dick W >=20 >=20 >=20 > Don Milbury said: >=20 >=20 >=20 > ...Two thousand radio stations are now broadcasting in HD, > 70 car models are available with built-in receivers. But the > number that counts - people actually listening to HD radio - > is shockingly low. Unless the economy turns around, unless > satellite goes away, unless reception improves, unless HD > gets a reputation for great shows (and not just great > sound), HD may have a tough slog ahead. >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Apr 09 19:55:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95183 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2009 02:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2009 02:55:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 02:55:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87226 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2009 02:55:36 -0000 Message-ID: <887377.85919.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JkOTYk0VM1kULtU.t7y.tjMvRCR7tZoY27tg8WjMbVSdljCgxYKv3khVkiNmfnw8AZGAyVfkDKklYzmnyMLYTAyAYGUJK_ffzKRl7S3JX7qDhujVC8sakmc3rOjDn_fApXtXAv7F_9gthlhpDUv0olEUk5qmIThFHRilYoPVA8fQ0o69encdcNrbniSz3I0buKiTBoCx1AgoEzj8PyGvPdrN64BdJlgjLnVBFVZZDqAePHDVic8zJZDF6F5BJmNKdmG56gkTX2yKY7Sbf4oaod7MrZkVL1qf5tv9Bj.p7idwb3l_br8ONaTGtSOTpNAoZhQKDDYCI6PB90b3dqX_9cv6VOxNL8hqCmY- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:55:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 19:55:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Broadcast over local cablesystem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=bo0_s_iav3KBp3Zi2BQp0S4H8KjQLGQrBppQ7e0lV-5sWA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Mike, I had the same problem with the only electric car I ever owned...chea= p to run, but that fat extension cord was a PAIN! You guys gave me an idea for a new format: "ALL PUBLIC DOMAIN, ALL THE TIME!!!" GEORGE --- On Thu, 4/9/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Broadcast over local cablesystem? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:17 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > I believe it would still be considered a public > performance. I don't know=20 >=20 > how large the listenership would be. The cable I use to > connect my car=20 >=20 > radio to my house doesn't reach very far. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************ ** >=20 > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for=20 >=20 > $10 or less. (http://food. > aol.com/frugal- feasts?ncid=3D emlcntusfood0000 0001) >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Apr 09 21:48:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11585 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2009 04:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2009 04:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 04:48:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2009 04:48:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2009 04:48:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 04:48:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <965047.69040.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.208 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "HD radio really does sound better than regular radio" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=B1W2vjnZLivBLx-iNqV2azmXO1SmVplrOpgy_OmzxiNPY8YfOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Even if it sounds better, if it was truth, HD radio can not save AM radios = if stations go with the today programming format!!! I don't think it could there be some way to get a better sound at a low bit= rate like that. The lowest acceptable bitrate is 192 kbps, impossible to put it into 10 kHz= . But it isn't the main problem: Question: How much transmiting power do you need to reach all your listener= WITHOUT any kind of artifacts? Answer: 10 times the necessary with analog audio. Question: How much will you have to pay in licenses-royalties to Ibiquity? Answer: ??? ??? ??? ??? Question: How much money do you need to convert your today analog station i= nto a full digital HD station? Answer: Enough to think to dedicate your life to another thing. Question: If you transmit with HD radio, Do you have some proven certainty = that you will recover your listeners and your advertisements, enough at lea= st to recover your full converting process investment? At least, in the today chilean reality, HD radio is just a bad dream. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > >=20 > How can it sound better on AM? At THAT bit-rate? Come on, even ATRAC co= uldn't sound good running THAT slow! Excuse my skepticism, but it just doe= s not seem possible. Maybe on voice, OK, but music, there HAS to be a ton = of artifacts. G >=20 > --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Dick W wrote: >=20 > > From: Dick W > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} "HD radio really does sound better than regular rad= io" > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:23 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > The last paragraph (below) says it all. > >=20 > > Dick W > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Don Milbury said: > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ...Two thousand radio stations are now broadcasting in HD, > > 70 car models are available with built-in receivers. But the > > number that counts - people actually listening to HD radio - > > is shockingly low. Unless the economy turns around, unless > > satellite goes away, unless reception improves, unless HD > > gets a reputation for great shows (and not just great > > sound), HD may have a tough slog ahead. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 09 23:43:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86983 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2009 06:43:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2009 06:43:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 06:43:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2009 06:43:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2009 06:43:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:43:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.144.120 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=KVSkFX313duwGChankGl2scVZ4Mpyuv6zspJdCwtAnTrtfmhMOSMOYXD8mXFRRnE7-6N0w81 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I was not imprest with the sound of HD Radio from Accruian from Ra= dio Shack (Now not being made any more). The FM analog and FM digital sound= ed the same to me. On my older FM STEREO sets with out a good ant. thay now= sound like crap. And on HD AM the thing sounded like crap on KFBK AM HD . = No where near FM STEREO on AM and no where near AM STEREO ether. Maybe the = Sangean will sound better. Jim Smith From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 09 23:52:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69266 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2009 06:52:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2009 06:52:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 06:52:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2009 06:51:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2009 06:51:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:51:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.144.120 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=5cgoQPm0DZmTOfFK7wpI6fYqRl7GelpBnPb_iJ0WqXLXNVGwL1vpzw1VDQ-i1pmgr7sZzzm- X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@..." wrote: > > Hi Gang I was not imprest with the sound of HD Radio from Accruian from = Radio Shack (Now not being made any more). The FM analog and FM digital sou= nded the same to me. On my older FM STEREO sets with out a good ant. thay n= ow sound like crap. And on HD AM the thing sounded like crap on KFBK AM HD = . No where near FM STEREO on AM and no where near AM STEREO ether. Maybe th= e Sangean will sound better. Jim Smith P.S I almost for got. It would help AM STEREO if it had the same display t= hat HD RADIO has. Jim Smith From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Apr 10 04:26:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85251 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2009 11:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2009 11:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 11:26:53 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-d04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN4-549df2cd88e; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:26:16 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c92.4605313c (65097) for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:26:09 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.137 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "HD radio really does sound better than regular radio" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=sgqLbpsxsNiV6OL1UOP_bFeDmnzZIDOxJOZWYyU_eo9mq1Kc77dcLoPCXDbRn-VH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's the processing most AM stations use to squeeze every last percent of modulation. There are two principle limitations for AM broadcasting. One is high end response and the other is signal to noise ratio. Both are more limitations on the receiving end than the transmitting end. There is no reason AM radio should sound "tinny". The low frequency response of a modern AM transmitter is every bit as a good as a FM transmitter. Most of the adult population can't appreciate the difference in high end response and signal to noise radio with a good signal. The article touches upon a point I have been trying to make for some time. That is, the answer lies in programming. If a station cannot profitably program its regular channel and bandwidth, what good are more channels and more bandwidth? It just further fragments the available audience, dilutes ad revenue, and forces stations to cut costs which only further drives down the quality of programming. HD radio was an interesting idea that didn't really have a market. Companies have spent millions of dollars trying to create a market for it, but it simply isn't materializing. It's a gimmick. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Apr 10 04:36:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53791 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2009 11:36:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2009 11:36:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 11:36:41 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN9-a49df2f2f11c; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:36:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c0b.55fe749c (65097) for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:36:05 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KRML - For Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6RmGNKXXqVILDUFljT_guwlnbOU5QXKLFPynk2Kbe7ZP9KgAh8psf-ORRU3MtQvt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember the movie and the lady with the scissors. I also noticed he left the station on tape unattended before the relaxation of rules. Nice car. I am not a Jazz fan. Even if my car radio could receive in 3-D like KXKVI and Dave Brubeck himself would materialize in my passenger seat, I still wouldn't listen to it. Mike ************** Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Apr 10 05:27:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1684 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2009 12:27:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2009 12:27:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173009pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.9) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 12:27:12 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KHV0092MX8F7FC1@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:26:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:26:40 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "HD radio really does sound better than regular radio" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=Bmh1vCn3knLtitqC51-cIc8ccRanhqqNepgHPTe2PiKI4g X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike is correct. There were already too many stations/program sources for the available audience, and so they decided to add more. Smart move! Dick W. Mike said: The article touches upon a point I have been trying to make for some time. That is, the answer lies in programming. If a station cannot profitably program its regular channel and bandwidth, what good are more channels and more bandwidth? It just further fragments the available audience, dilutes ad revenue, and forces stations to cut costs which only further drives down the quality of programming. HD radio was an interesting idea that didn't really have a market. Companies have spent millions of dollars trying to create a market for it, but it simply isn't materializing. It's a gimmick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Apr 10 06:29:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72274 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2009 13:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2009 13:29:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 13:29:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2009 13:29:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2009 13:29:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:29:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.233.41 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Panasonic VP-8252P Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=d3vxcD2pEs9MzSwLCblA01R7FxrqZhp0-kaEO7OhHcs X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 So you've got that one on bay! Glad that it ended up to someone that will u= se it for AM Stereo tests and not just as a common generator for receivers = alligmnet...=20 I haven't found after all these years I own all the models (52,53,54) any m= anual for them. I've even contacted Panasonic without any luck!=20 However those generators are easy to work inside them. I have reapir at lea= st 3 VP8252 and 2-3 VP8254 also. I have also uploaded photos of the Modulat= or/RF part of the 8252's at "Photo" folder of the group at "AM Transmitters= " subfolder.=20 What problem has your VP8252 ?=20 I must say to you, that you;ll have to be carefull when you'll start disass= embling the RF compartment because this is inside a heavy shileded metal bo= x, that has a quite weird way to remove it from case and then to remove the= outer shield box to drag out the boards from the inside!=20 Extra care should be taken for the RF output rigid hardline, as it comes ou= t of that metal box directly solded at it, without a connector. That hardli= ne goes to RF attenuator located exactly behind the RF output BNC of the fr= ont panel. There you will find the SMA connectors that tehy will allow you = to disconnect it. Try not to bend it to much as it has a quite thin center = lead that tends to broke easily. I had a case that the center lead of it wa= s broken at the point that this hardline goes out of the metal box and it i= s solder at it! I replaced with a teflon coaxial cable like the RG141.=20 I have however found a manual for a similar generator, or should better say= the first AM stereo generator model that was made by Panasonic/National. T= hat is the VP-8251 and was only capable to do the Magnavox's PM-AM system u= sed the 5Hz pilot tone.=20 The nice about that manual is that seems to be not a common copy but ruther= an original inside lab paper, as it has schematics at original blueprint l= arge size papers and also some added by hand notes at it.=20 While not exactly the same with the later AMS models it is a quite good qui= de of how they have designed those generators...=20 If you need any help with the 8252 I'll be glad to assist... as much I can = from here (the other side of the globe) :)=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 =20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > anyone have a copy of the manual for a Panasonic VP-8252P? > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Apr 10 17:34:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82852 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 00:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2009 00:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 00:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 00:33:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 00:33:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:33:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: Panasonic VP-8252P Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=OEwiEmhdF-_oidcAwrJXQM-zUZRq8BiZdy15EVd0C1nU X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I'm looking for audio input impedance and whether balanced or unbalanced. also want to know what the rear ports are for and their pinouts. and an explanation of the other formats. the only ones i'm familiar with ar= e isb and cquam. more cquam then isb. From sub83@shortwavelog.com Fri Apr 10 21:06:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub83@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72004 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 04:02:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2009 04:02:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.236) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 04:02:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 04:01:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 04:01:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:01:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.65.239.247 From: "Robert Sillett" Subject: Re: Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=346563316; y=vfusuz4q0nfk_jMd6K6Cwkw9ugVUWMGN2COlnuxRmp5UEw X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett The issue with the Accurian HD Radio was more of its configuration and chea= p speakers than with the underlying electronics. If you look at these vers= ion 1.0 HD Radios, they're all the same radio. They may have different phy= sical appearances, but they all share the same blue LCD, user interface, an= d such. The speakers on the Accurian HD Radio are not of sufficient quality or sepa= ration. The result is tinny audio no matter what the source (analog or dig= ital).=20=20 A simple test is to use a pair of good headphones. You can hear the differ= ence when the analog signal blends into digital. Of course, that's on FM. = IBOC AM radio is so compressed that it physically hurts to listen to it. = =20 I'm just glad that I got my Accurian on close-out. And I also was lucky en= ough to get one that decodes Motorola C-Quam as well!=20=20 Robert, N3OEA --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@..." wrote: > > Hi Gang I was not imprest with the sound of HD Radio from Accruian from = Radio Shack (Now not being made any more). The FM analog and FM digital sou= nded the same to me. On my older FM STEREO sets with out a good ant. thay n= ow sound like crap. And on HD AM the thing sounded like crap on KFBK AM HD = . No where near FM STEREO on AM and no where near AM STEREO ether. Maybe th= e Sangean will sound better. Jim Smith > From sub83@shortwavelog.com Fri Apr 10 21:10:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub83@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97903 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 04:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2009 04:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 04:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 04:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 04:07:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:07:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.65.239.247 From: "Robert Sillett" Subject: Re: Panasonic VP-8252P Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=346563316; y=D4JlFK-gTz0v7xYdelPK6TeIfRa-UvtRdBA3DaFjoss7wA X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett I can help with the formats. AM-PM =3D Magnavox ISB =3D Kahn/Hazeltime C-QUAM =3D Motorola CPM =3D Harris The Sony multi-mode chips will decode AM-PM, C-QUAM, and CPM on the "A" swi= tch with ISB on the "B" switch.=20 Robert, N3OEA=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > I'm looking for audio input impedance and whether balanced or unbalanced. >=20 > also want to know what the rear ports are for and their pinouts. >=20 > and an explanation of the other formats. the only ones i'm familiar with = are isb and cquam. more cquam then isb. > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 11 00:15:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56800 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 07:07:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2009 07:07:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 07:07:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 07:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 07:07:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:07:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.150.113 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=sew0qtMtxXvrUAU6K85XDwIok1qj4Nrn2E3SWeDRve8-4gdZ34ooa2xYLWOiSX4-z8SFMCUG X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Sillett" wrote: > > The issue with the Accurian HD Radio was more of its configuration and ch= eap speakers than with the underlying electronics. If you look at these ve= rsion 1.0 HD Radios, they're all the same radio. They may have different p= hysical appearances, but they all share the same blue LCD, user interface, = and such. >=20 > The speakers on the Accurian HD Radio are not of sufficient quality or se= paration. The result is tinny audio no matter what the source (analog or d= igital).=20=20 >=20 > A simple test is to use a pair of good headphones. You can hear the diff= erence when the analog signal blends into digital. Of course, that's on FM= . IBOC AM radio is so compressed that it physically hurts to listen to it.= =20=20 >=20 > I'm just glad that I got my Accurian on close-out. And I also was lucky = enough to get one that decodes Motorola C-Quam as well!=20=20 >=20 > Robert, N3OEA >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@" w= rote: > > > > Hi Gang I was not imprest with the sound of HD Radio from Accruian fro= m Radio Shack (Now not being made any more). The FM analog and FM digital s= ounded the same to me. On my older FM STEREO sets with out a good ant. thay= now sound like crap. And on HD AM the thing sounded like crap on KFBK AM H= D . No where near FM STEREO on AM and no where near AM STEREO ether. Maybe = the Sangean will sound better. Jim Smith > > > Hi Robert I did try it with a pear of ok head phones but boath FM modes sou= nded the same to me . And HD AM sounded like crap woblely and every thing.I= did'nt like it. I would like to get one of the Sangeans. I think the old s= aying aplies here "You get what you pay for". Eather cheep junk or some thi= ng good. Jim Smith From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Apr 11 00:28:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7263 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 07:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2009 07:28:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.30) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 07:28:08 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so855937yxg.39 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:27:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.97.19 with SMTP id u19mr8272858ybb.25.1239434870893; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.33.47.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.33.47.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm983808ywi.55.2009.04.11.00.27.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 03:27:42 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.30 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=KYDgHp7lBQe5oAkStdKtLEY4B9DapQCCvgnvtxWtFy0nX18eQFTINUiV8R9EBg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 11, 2009, at 3:07 AM, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > I would like to get one of the Sangeans. I have a Sangean. While the FM HD Does sound pretty decent on most stations, the AM HD does not sound anywhere near as good as the same radio tuned to a C-QUAM Station. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 11 00:52:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24521 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 07:51:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2009 07:51:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 07:51:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 07:51:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 07:51:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:51:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.150.113 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=NNlZddAhWoWleOmSFTMQ-sOgejlMHehvRSuLmRAtPQEsIKSbaLqqsjHqo1ptyfyWBVyzRip7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > >=20 > On Apr 11, 2009, at 3:07 AM, jimsmith95650@... wrote: >=20 > > I would like to get one of the Sangeans. >=20 > I have a Sangean. While the FM HD Does sound pretty decent on most=20=20 > stations, the AM HD does not sound anywhere near as good as the same=20=20 > radio tuned to a C-QUAM Station. >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi Kevin That sounds cool but the only AM STEREO station i can bearly get= at night is KJUG AM STEREO 1270. I am hoping i can get that one better. I= have the SONY SFR A100 and the Sony SFR A300 the a300 gets it a bit better= but still not that good. Jim Smith From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 03:25:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27140 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 10:24:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2009 10:24:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 10:24:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99908 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2009 10:23:01 -0000 Message-ID: <636332.83771.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: uJCpmiMVM1kcyalAJMC_.2Svb18to1KkzHP7xsCSDkJ2HVh.2CaMtI478WvEnnJix82lJ.pHjWES7l86TApZNM4wfbWLmW7gJJy0fcP95aD89XUYczwhu0TuaTLaD74yLgjZuW13Izd1IxAjXzBL8a0bCghOfbPBExAjkNuk7Gw3MX_.s1v6r23EcyoOqPN.EpyOWKfETZHY1Sg6tHzKkZjDmXmnhA.TW39yNBSeHamOv4j9IUnoDhNeWnmhHclH2ILsoaSOixles74fAHW4WIHJxhFg6cWjXpIUhe9FkErJuRuqKFTrMFfm66wmV7QN_YKaerj3ZPcAHovd4DMioRO2MQ0QY_zyQ8g- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 03:23:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 03:23:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} "HD radio really does sound better than regular radio" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=u5JKKuo-I8m677xLn0oyiYzoD1YSZXirP3fbKunfiaJ2Iw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, that word says it all...GIMMICK! G --- On Fri, 4/10/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} "HD radio really does sound better than regular radio= " > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 7:26 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > It's the processing most AM stations use to > squeeze every last percent of=20 >=20 > modulation. There are two principle limitations for AM > broadcasting. One is=20 >=20 > high end response and the other is signal to noise ratio.=20 > Both are more=20 >=20 > limitations on the receiving end than the transmitting > end. >=20 >=20 >=20 > There is no reason AM radio should sound "tinny". > The low frequency=20 >=20 > response of a modern AM transmitter is every bit as a good > as a FM transmitter.=20=20 >=20 > Most of the adult population can't appreciate the > difference in high end=20 >=20 > response and signal to noise radio with a good signal. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The article touches upon a point I have been trying to make > for some time.=20=20 >=20 > That is, the answer lies in programming. If a station > cannot profitably=20 >=20 > program its regular channel and bandwidth, what good are > more channels and=20 >=20 > more bandwidth? It just further fragments the available > audience, dilutes ad=20 >=20 > revenue, and forces stations to cut costs which only > further drives down the=20 >=20 > quality of programming. >=20 >=20 >=20 > HD radio was an interesting idea that didn't really > have a market.=20=20 >=20 > Companies have spent millions of dollars trying to create a > market for it, but it=20 >=20 > simply isn't materializing. It's a gimmick. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************ ** >=20 > Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for > $10=20 >=20 > or less. (http://food. > aol.com/frugal- feasts?ncid=3D emlcntusfood0000 0001) >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 11 06:59:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55344 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 13:34:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2009 13:34:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 13:34:35 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.141] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090411083334102492500010.0) with SMTP id <20090411083334102492500010> for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:33:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007b01c9baab$34c0e300$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:33:34 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: para Juan de Chile tambien X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=-CkHPZdNz5SdDFTC_v4yFTNinYNYO9ahfUnuFcL0Inxe_ooRH_S4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, The other radio broadcast list you'll want to join is this one- http://www.broadcast.net/mailman/listinfo/radio-tech as it's as tech oriented but without the "need to fix it now" emphasis as is the radiotech list. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 11 07:11:11 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31583;u=;t=1239626076;m=222521353;s=2628345942; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 11 07:12:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55473 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 13:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2009 13:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 13:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.141] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090411084653101398600010.0) with SMTP id <20090411084653101398600010> for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:46:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009901c9baad$10dd0ac0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20090409.190655.13646.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:46:53 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} "HD radio really does sound better than regular radio" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=NL510Xd-0dcx2fsX3rucy0Od7BdGFyXipVSDI81AkH-c-JJsKo3- X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't heard HD on AM yet, but from what my friend Willie Barnet reports, the "S-es" all sound the same due to the spectral band replecation used to compensate for the low bandwidth, and his radio won't decode it if there's even the slightest interference. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com What the ads say is true: AM stations sound like traditional FM (most are even in stereo), and the FM channels sound like a CD. There's no static, ever. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 11 07:23:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9372 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 13:56:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2009 13:56:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 13:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.141] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090411085518103180900017.0) with SMTP id <20090411085518103180900017> for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:55:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00ca01c9baae$3d12fc20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:55:18 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Panasonic VP-8252P Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=gIL-KHrqiMDSbIL1o0K1qfBthky1auB1OMxrOj3jgIQuE7sODaFm X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As old as it is, he may just want to do a shotgun replacement of all the electrolyics. Chances are that would cure most of what might be wrong with it. Just be sure to use the high temp (105 deg. C units) as they'll last a whole lot longer even in non severe use. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Sotiris To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:29 AM What problem has your VP8252 ? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sat Apr 11 08:44:18 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31586;u=;t=1239626112;m=65458184;s=2628345942; From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 09:05:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25395 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 15:53:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2009 15:53:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 15:53:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 15:53:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 15:53:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:53:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.233.41 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Panasonic VP-8252P Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=1YbwsSQ0soUlCAHGnXBEN7gntTkV96BOJr1eFUedjbY X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Forgot to mention that there are 2 other connector for remote controlling t= he generator (sort of GPIB bus system) but those are not for any use by com= mon users like us. Mostly placed there for production automatic testing pur= poses, where you don't want the people that is doing the aligment of a tune= r to continiously have to change the settings during the aligment process.= =20 Best regards=20 Sotiris SW1MMA=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > I'm looking for audio input impedance and whether balanced or unbalanced. >=20 > also want to know what the rear ports are for and their pinouts. >=20 > and an explanation of the other formats. the only ones i'm familiar with = are isb and cquam. more cquam then isb. > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 09:47:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83366 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 15:48:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2009 15:48:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 15:48:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 15:47:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 15:47:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:47:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 87.202.233.41 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: Panasonic VP-8252P Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=xGHhTgLBiJf3cLGOkrVG4ts1YXBOe03OVrb95Mp0X04 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 According to the specs of the VP-8251 Magnavox AM stereo generator that was= the first of the line, the inputs are unbalanced 10KOhm Input voltage =3D 0.194 V rms for 80% modulation, and frequency response is= 50Hz up to 15KHz!=20 The 8252 have a rear BNC to inject an external pilot if you wish to. There = is INT/EXT switch that allows you to inject a different pilot frequecny tha= n the one was used as the system standard, ie. inject a 25Hz pilot while ru= nning it at ISB (Kahn) or PM/AM (Magnavox) mode. The CPM I think was Harris= .=20 It does have also a trimmer below to set the level of the subaudio pilot to= ne.=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > I'm looking for audio input impedance and whether balanced or unbalanced. >=20 > also want to know what the rear ports are for and their pinouts. >=20 > and an explanation of the other formats. the only ones i'm familiar with = are isb and cquam. more cquam then isb. > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Apr 11 13:32:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55411 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 20:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2009 20:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f221.google.com) (209.85.217.221) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 20:07:27 -0000 X-Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so4165888gxk.6 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:06:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.120.17 with SMTP id s17mr6217254agc.18.1239480387356; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.36.43.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.36.43.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.36.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm5493392ywn.42.2009.04.11.13.06.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:04:13 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=9fDOZboQFJuYvRcNi0PK1x4Lppd_q2jtKutGjhS_GvfkDOISmwaL4kMwXCQO-A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Apr 11, 2009, at 3:51 AM, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > I have the SONY SFR A100 and the Sony SFR A300 the a300 gets it a > bit better but still not that good. Have you tried building a good tuned Loop Antenna? 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 16:31:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46351 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 23:31:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2009 23:31:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 23:31:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 23:31:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2009 23:31:18 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:31:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.115 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Panasonic VP-8252P Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=w-vsREshXuw9MpIbUEccqrZcExdZ5HWCorOsTMNFz_LtyOVnbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Can we get that Sony multi-mode chip, new, today? Is there in the web some = PDF file with the chip characteristics and specs? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Sillett" wrote: > > I can help with the formats. >=20 > AM-PM =3D Magnavox > ISB =3D Kahn/Hazeltime > C-QUAM =3D Motorola > CPM =3D Harris >=20 > The Sony multi-mode chips will decode AM-PM, C-QUAM, and CPM on the "A" s= witch with ISB on the "B" switch.=20 >=20 > Robert, N3OEA=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > > > I'm looking for audio input impedance and whether balanced or unbalance= d. > >=20 > > also want to know what the rear ports are for and their pinouts. > >=20 > > and an explanation of the other formats. the only ones i'm familiar wit= h are isb and cquam. more cquam then isb. > > > From w6yn@juno.com Sat Apr 11 16:38:28 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31591;u=;t=1239626096;m=1575824224;s=2628345942; From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Apr 11 20:06:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62443 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2009 03:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2009 03:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173003pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2009 03:06:37 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KHY00B4BWMGE8Z8@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:06:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <16942D28FF3E42CE9BEEF220193EA0A3@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <20090411.151004.1654.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:06:17 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} The only report card in radio is ratings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=TNJszw8OcPpI5VNi3T1gUdgMzh86FyMvILWvb8wR-Dz-9A X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If possible, it would be appreciated if we could move away from the left-right banter. We've heard it all before. Thanks, Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 11 20:08:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54623 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2009 03:08:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2009 03:08:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2009 03:08:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2009 03:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2009 03:08:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:08:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.32.74.135 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=HSKyscI9jw99jtw-QiP8BJvpYb1N0VhPm3pB03F2ZpQ6qvOF8myGPhV4TYomnpSI5vRySPqx X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > >=20 > On Apr 11, 2009, at 3:51 AM, jimsmith95650@... wrote: >=20 > > I have the SONY SFR A100 and the Sony SFR A300 the a300 gets it a=20=20 > > bit better but still not that good. >=20 > Have you tried building a good tuned Loop Antenna? >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Kevin I have the RS loop ANT. I am not that techno savy. Dam i like that= stuff to. I don't do math .And you got to know that crap to do electonics!= !!! Jim Smith From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun Apr 12 09:23:07 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31594;u=;t=1239626157;m=255383326;s=2628345942; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 05:41:06 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 88346 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 12:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 12:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n79d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.104) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 12:41:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1239626450; bh=xOHIdzx8CnjXW4ppCyf9u3U0YRHZh27I0IQaKw3+Dxs=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:Date:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=fBSuJGrLpm1KuCcZtd71Scieb5RsGxxuHIf96pXNYCVIbkqWKylpfKvMQ4I87d8v3buOAoQs2BLX6s8IDKHx1/eyHoiQU9mkOA9rRnJMld38cKUb0VW9l9JSKtECvc0v Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n79.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2009 12:40:50 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2009 12:40:50 -0000 X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80081 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2009 13:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2009 13:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.146) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2009 13:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n19.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2009 13:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.245] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2009 13:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2009 13:02:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 220124.84951.bm@omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 24616 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2009 13:02:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.215.13 with plain) by smtp114.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2009 13:02:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wdrM6RoVM1lEMKBVa7o.Y7Ndttg3lmDm9YFjU4W9LKxVQ21S.VNGhHVKkUz2lyEcDo6hsvS2ygrljSUpcIesA__PhhNUJVtsPVdwlr9XEmvbOVfAKSSXXutStYeu_Els39rLRLm7_mpm9HewUugVhkd935efQfgKVBIJKkzta6Buxr5QgjDmmexfR3Xh3CGbgJdbx5tlM0Y7jOtICLV.WuVdrzLNJvVlQd6ahqGiK.ihiyJirGvc._ZlSup0rIuAFwKF6RIt.6q5REs71AXEFAC1zvWRGWc4b7_JOqzubDi5rcQfpanbIyw4dDlO8MjSQ5PI1FolYr4.jl8k3h7_c6GkIlloTMmnUw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:02:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: WGOL 920 Russellville, AL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=KTj7nGmkivSEi5Y3jg-2uZVZfb4lr6aQESilb38kk00P5jAf-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Apr 2009 12:40:50 -0000 http://www.wgolam.com/ These guys say they are in AM stereo on the air. I go to Russellville, AL from time to time. I will make sure that I will bring an AM stereo radio and let you know. Kevin From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 05:41:14 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1078 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 12:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 12:41:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n57d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.82) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 12:41:10 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1239626454; bh=1oRCMytNMVUTUdRRqbZ+dcNMiSHiixpyGt7myW3aHf0=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Received:X-Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=US9Hq9CHPoOGQz9q2ppAFnXOeh/XUhq58Mfj/PppYf+zUe1aUfY+O8RAKCK4wMn4+2axORVpxqB21brK6Sq0cTi8s++zTreD/3PmRXutINctwMxMfeDxAS+trsmVVUWf Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n57.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2009 12:40:54 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2009 12:40:54 -0000 X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64368 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2009 13:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2009 13:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.223) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 13:27:38 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n28.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2009 13:26:23 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.245] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2009 13:26:23 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2009 13:26:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 699177.99920.bm@omp406.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 4846 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2009 13:26:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.202.13 with plain) by smtp126.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2009 13:26:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8aPcS_sVM1khdA196j0NGi94qaw1HEMRW22hRjlCB1mXe6TIzGDCRV14FFUBLA1myr2VvoTmvcjef4jPDHijb_JXaiy1RzvQEAX4YB4cSm0Y6izSV3ny1SfTd8V80yijcvI2b.o9FZ9T.yPQckpsxDfbo.CUCCIrYKvYTxVhA9bsavUUMJIqfdHy9_JmelX.PTwqDeONji_Z8Pkz6Hx7OrGMdKL5kL75JCuiZ2.W0p.zdpVQKp9k.3GO_BlpbnUlrzh7PmBSUH4x_y2PbFBrpv0KHsF3bTP4S78gSf23kGYvWRf3F7qefV47GMVUbcEtsYpcI6_KmlBFJ9TtKwpObJs- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <83E1C72D-D4E4-4F42-A390-75CAB0C48966@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 08:26:22 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=VhLaIu1RGukcRxgJdEwMb_9rmirRgf8T_k-YPtqv7OnPOMnFDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 13 Apr 2009 12:40:54 -0000 On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:43 AM, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang I was not imprest with the sound of HD Radio from Accruian > from Radio Shack (Now not being made any more). But if you had a CQUAM station you could listen to AM stereo on it. Kevin From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 05:42:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64087 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 12:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 12:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 12:42:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2009 12:42:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2009 12:42:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:42:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Announce: yes X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Reminder X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=v0wvUufXE5Tv9-4GE2OQVc1TkUvyJuaDb6D52-y2nQy7kQY1SA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Again guys, please no political discussions on this Forum unless it is dire= ctly related to radio. Thanks, Kevin Tekel The AM STEREO Forum From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Apr 13 07:09:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90101 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 14:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 14:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 14:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2009 14:09:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2009 14:09:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:09:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00ca01c9baae$3d12fc20$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Panasonic VP-8252P Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=ViE41rDtsyJKNNM_A2ZZH_wCEgZjo3plEXb_rBKN2Ylz X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Has anyone done this? do any of you have a parts list and some notes on wha= t you did? also would like a similar set of notes and a parts list to shotgun the caps= on a BE AX-10 and a motorola 1310 monitor. also any ideas of cost to do do this? and how about hooking balanced line to the panasonic. I have CRL and aphex processors. i ran it w/o a processor into a tuner and long wire and it did not sound to= o bad. probably because i had no processing on it. is i have some processing it probably would have sounded like a commercial = am station. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 07:31:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55351 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 14:31:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 14:31:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.153) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 14:31:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 43797 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2009 14:31:25 -0000 Message-ID: <670127.29399.qm@web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: XO2subsVM1nzYarmlqQHWAmNiDX_fmDypAS_SiljUJu7_Q_UV1K_WUDquQ9oUXDkZ9ECsDpOjn5Z.Q8Wuo3Z3vYKPjkGWAOW.6J2KODYobKB1UhSPpF1Qj7lpy7aDw5TH.FrrFLaSMv5hLxSj5dff9g0mvxoKmCKFz.nXAGwlSUZKOFKJaNkxj7.dDod7v3fZk7rFQNlFFtYNord8elenAjsO4L1VHfWgnnWTUSCM1sHdoLru9jfBH.gV9F4PZQo1EcP_e3P3b22StUq4F9C6B8mtG1AdcLdCGqhRSDFKkTJ5ch5rLIwKax0qYtzl8zLGBuH1QD.7ZFuwtbL X-Received: from [209.213.19.122] by web34704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:31:25 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.15 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:31:25 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was not impressed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=3_W_yCYiRct0dY0ivBOf4WUrDdeBc5ZqNcotT8ieNXU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW For little tiny speakers they do OK. I was told the sound gets better after hard use for a few weeks. Mine sounds OK, though I ought to connecte it into the Sony stereo receiver ....which, though it does not have AM stereo has a halfway decent AM tuner section. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:43 AM, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net > wrote: > > > Hi Gang I was not impressed with the sound of HD > Radio from Accurian > > from Radio Shack (Now not being made any more). From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Apr 13 13:04:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76693 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 20:04:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 20:04:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173009pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.9) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 20:04:49 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KI200C792F0JM6U@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:04:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <7AECEC3CC14F417BAE5F847065D05FB1@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <83E1C72D-D4E4-4F42-A390-75CAB0C48966@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:04:13 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=ekYM7ehU4OWfX24yV-i7bin82MjdlPWdxP4O73gsmO9PZw X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recall that, years ago, I had a Dodge with a high fidelity c-quam stereo radio in it. One of our local music stations, WGUL, was simulcasting the same music over their FM and AM stations. I drove to a point approximately midway between their two transmitter sites and compared the FM with the AM on the car radio. The AM stereo blew away the stereo FM! There was no comparison! From that day forward, I was a true believe in AM stereo. Unfortunately, a year or so later the station dropped the AM stereo and reverted to mono. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was not imprest On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:43 AM, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Hi Gang I was not imprest with the sound of HD Radio from Accruian > from Radio Shack (Now not being made any more). But if you had a CQUAM station you could listen to AM stereo on it. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 15:47:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62729 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 22:46:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 22:46:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 22:46:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44649 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2009 22:46:15 -0000 Message-ID: <437011.43421.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: XokBqp0VM1kmD0AVRoqw8DTbIHwioK3hg8T9gK8aZD3_w0ztQIhcwZr5pbqMReJbEGRB0aWg7qhT0MVG_7oqQHNnv5mccFkcPrZiGufByVxQj0c7ZV_YONzR9hsTZcK.Mhlxb6SqDNWrLstX7sUW_3CTUNRorh2GWu2i.Tnc3VhlYXz9gSHQq8LcShQzuHruEnFswlSxRQVY4CLdJ7cHqhkmHHPeGEkBPha7vS3qCNNpp6fh_X6Z2Gm0A2GzoYmYy.txRzSrDjD.enIQ28mn3OycO3CvkOIXwgGTvbN1nJ7MOnt1WtK27INebSVzY1c67a_3IAHgW0QenfNHCNi.G6TcxjKo3XTJwAs- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:46:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:46:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=hyjK054MonTumyXWRax-syvWKc1raWun0c1lK_YQENkqhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 In what way did you find the AM superior to the FM? Seperation? Audio quality? Just curious...I had a Mopar AM Stereo radio, jammed betwee= n the seats in a Mustang, good sensitivity, but kinda narrow on the bandwid= th. I DO know it was the bottom-line receiver Chrysler was using at the ti= me, though. Still, it was kinda neat driving from Detroit to Cincinnati wit= h WOWO almost constantly in stereo! G --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Dick W wrote: > From: Dick W > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was not imprest > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 4:04 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > I recall that, years ago, I had a Dodge with a > high fidelity c-quam stereo radio in it. One of our local > music stations, WGUL, was simulcasting the same music over > their FM and AM stations. I drove to a point approximately > midway between their two transmitter sites and compared the > FM with the AM on the car radio. The AM stereo blew away > the stereo FM! There was no comparison! From that day > forward, I was a true believe in AM stereo.=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Unfortunately, a year or so later the station dropped the > AM stereo and reverted to mono. >=20 > Dick W. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 >=20 > From: kevin redding=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@ > yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:26 AM >=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was not imprest >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:43 AM, jimsmith95650@ > sbcglobal. net wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Hi Gang I was not imprest with the sound of HD Radio > from Accruian=20 >=20 > > from Radio Shack (Now not being made any more). >=20 >=20 >=20 > But if you had a CQUAM station you could listen to AM > stereo on it. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Apr 13 16:56:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2425 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 23:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 23:56:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 23:56:21 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.2] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090413185532100066600010.0) with SMTP id <20090413185532100066600010> for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:55:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008401c9bc94$6fe79740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:55:32 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Panasonic VP-8252P Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=J8bNf6DpvAeqrcTCI5578WOUF_ubJfKRYiS4VEXh-oodL2lAd6p5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been burned going by schematics and parts lists in manuals. Sometimes I find there have been substitutions or minor production changes since they were printed. Nothing beats just pulling the covers off and physically doing an inventory. Likely you could do the exciter and monitor for less than $50 including the shipping. I've recapped a number of stereo exciters and they're not all that hard to do, though none were the BE and those have double sided boards. If you've got the tools and a good hand, don't be afraid to do it. As for balanced to unbalanced to run your processors into your generator, just find a couple audio transformers with the right impedances. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:09 AM Has anyone done this? do any of you have a parts list and some notes on what you did? also would like a similar set of notes and a parts list to shotgun the caps on a BE AX-10 and a motorola 1310 monitor. also any ideas of cost to do do this? and how about hooking balanced line to the panasonic. I have CRL and aphex processors. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Apr 13 17:21:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32821 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 23:41:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 23:41:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 23:41:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.2] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090413184033101452900010.0) with SMTP id <20090413184033101452900010> for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:40:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005501c9bc92$57d08420$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:40:33 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGOL 920 Russellville, AL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=uB_JQDuz0wU_hoDwrAm1DJlV4drhIvswZe5xzWphmFEdQw4XbxfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That'll be cool if they are. I was far enough east to catch 1090 from Rice Lake and they're still stereo too. WAQE. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 7:41 AM Subject: {AMSF} WGOL 920 Russellville, AL http://www.wgolam.com/ These guys say they are in AM stereo on the air. I go to Russellville, AL from time to time. I will make sure that I will bring an AM stereo radio and let you know. Kevin --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Apr 13 17:21:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52626 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 23:28:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2009 23:28:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 23:28:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.2] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090413182808101527700015.0) with SMTP id <20090413182808101527700015> for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:28:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002b01c9bc90$9b225200$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:28:08 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Panasonic VP-8252P Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Nm3Fw7lLJ3m6UBzajyFx8jLuTCSPahfg--kBFzCaVFkEf8Y_8Zwk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Probably been obsolete for 20+ years. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Can we get that Sony multi-mode chip, new, today? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Apr 13 20:05:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36054 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2009 03:05:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2009 03:05:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173009pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.9) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 03:05:31 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KI200853LX5J5IH@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:05:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <5449BDE218C94BB4A5964D7F63C0731E@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <437011.43421.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:05:29 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=WQQRPAdW9rRHd9HgSPOJeqE4_ZNeDiSnWBf1RNUHm9DbAw X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Mopar radio I had was their top of the line radio - it just happened to be in the used Dodge that I bought. Surprisingly (and I was surprised), the AM seemed to have better treble (high notes) and better separation. The combination of crisp high notes and clear pronounced separation made for an incredible listening experience. The AM clearly had more separation than the FM did. I don't know why the AM high-end sounded so good, but it did. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was not imprest In what way did you find the AM superior to the FM? Seperation? Audio quality? Just curious...I had a Mopar AM Stereo radio, jammed between the seats in a Mustang, good sensitivity, but kinda narrow on the bandwidth. I DO know it was the bottom-line receiver Chrysler was using at the time, though. Still, it was kinda neat driving from Detroit to Cincinnati with WOWO almost constantly in stereo! G --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Dick W wrote: > From: Dick W > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was not imprest > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 4:04 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recall that, years ago, I had a Dodge with a > high fidelity c-quam stereo radio in it. One of our local > music stations, WGUL, was simulcasting the same music over > their FM and AM stations. I drove to a point approximately > midway between their two transmitter sites and compared the > FM with the AM on the car radio. The AM stereo blew away > the stereo FM! There was no comparison! From that day > forward, I was a true believe in AM stereo. > > > > Unfortunately, a year or so later the station dropped the > AM stereo and reverted to mono. > > Dick W. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: kevin redding > > To: amstereoforum@ > yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:26 AM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Was not imprest > > > > On Apr 10, 2009, at 1:43 AM, jimsmith95650@ > sbcglobal. net wrote: > > > > > Hi Gang I was not imprest with the sound of HD Radio > from Accruian > > > from Radio Shack (Now not being made any more). > > > > But if you had a CQUAM station you could listen to AM > stereo on it. > > > > Kevin > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 14 00:37:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27901 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2009 07:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2009 07:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 07:37:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2009 07:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2009 07:37:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:37:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.25.46.220 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Hows Chris been? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=6A9BqVTxFC74IPNxlWHnjdlIOnLCPvo04jrDYGetnp_WEjqzOI5sbMFKoEzAxMZ8oxXTIj2o X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I have been wondering how Chris Cuff has been? I don't bug him muc= h. It would be nice to see him active again.Jim Smith From bratina501@msn.com Tue Apr 14 02:16:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1486 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2009 09:16:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2009 09:16:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 09:16:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2009 09:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2009 09:15:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:15:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005501c9bc92$57d08420$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.52.124 From: "Nicholas" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WGOL 920 Russellville, AL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=-kEEliDryZUxc-xQwn6Y6Ij5V3EE6wWQC9e_2rjb7LFtlcqs1w X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > That'll be cool if they are. I was far enough east to catch 1090 from Ri= ce Lake and they're still stereo too. WAQE. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 Nice catch! I remember hearing WAQE 1090 at close range on my Sony SRF-42 w= hile visiting a relative (who passed away about two years ago sadly) in Lad= ysmith Wisconsin not too far from Rice Lake. This is even more impressive c= onsidering that WAQE is a daytimer obviously and even then does not run muc= h power. The station actually sounded quite good in stereo but not quite as= good as KLOG 1490 Longview Washington which is a local station in my area = that used to broadcast in wideband stereo but is now just wideband mono and= still sounds good though. At the same time I noticed that WLDY 1340 which = was right there in Ladysmith had a possible IPM problem and was distorted a= lmost to the point of being un-listenable on the SRF-42 even in mono mode w= hile being perfectly listenable on my AM mono receiver.=20=20 From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue Apr 14 03:23:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21998 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2009 10:23:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2009 10:23:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173019pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.19) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 10:23:29 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KI300D96665H1Z8@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:22:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:22:55 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hows Chris been? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=dMNqDNRfiTevVuOHGxw4wYrM_APw74g9QbLdrhB8zgxrgw X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know he continues to sell items on eBay. He is a good guy. It would be nice to see him active on this list again. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:37 AM Subject: {AMSF} Hows Chris been? Hi Gang I have been wondering how Chris Cuff has been? I don't bug him much. It would be nice to see him active again.Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Apr 14 05:20:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97023 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2009 12:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2009 12:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f219.google.com) (209.85.217.219) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 12:19:54 -0000 X-Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so5793973gxk.1 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:19:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.150.192.4 with SMTP id p4mr14952050ybf.180.1239711592802; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:19:52 -0600 Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904140519p77673b63ya40013541a5cfe69@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: WGOL 920 Russellville, AL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=9d0yedPxhhrvQciTYdW2EyfcJzYpTdzqkDJt8SS4QPCexgX5auaGnznp X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as I know, WGOL is running AM Stereo still. I was just wearing my WGOL tshirt over the weekend! They are co-owned with christian country formatted WKAX-AM 1500, also in Russellville. However, WKAX isn't in stereo and I don't think there are any intentions to make it stereo. WGOL streams online. It's a decent little station. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:38 AM, wrote: Posted by: "kevin redding" big_h00pla@yahoo.com big_h00pla Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:41 am (PT) http://www.wgolam.com/ These guys say they are in AM stereo on the air. I go to Russellville, AL from time to time. I will make sure that I will bring an AM stereo radio and let you know. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 14 09:14:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45950 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2009 16:14:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2009 16:14:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 16:14:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28151 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2009 16:14:47 -0000 Message-ID: <718005.27558.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Rgno7LAVM1mSqaB_ocqzC9CQcHZDLuZr9ztz4EduBh0Tb8pn7RU7tPGvEBOWIeNuy2ThjwSMXSLJFAeZaNF1hzRA8IRRVx_1tv26GqVLWfHtg6qpvnZlfZtnrpYkPnjSRbXGB5MtFO9pfu6jcO5859D.SoNQzyIwAIHWOFRt_5gVS1_BmtXFxPXMSv8oLrfR9Sw3vRlEh7Tr583boG63yOoFdFnCJF0Z5UW5Wy_qDDH6DC6ki9GXj5XrsT_.9_wdBB6Q8QtKLbdPgUphniEPXA9ofMcW56cckTOu5g-- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:14:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.15 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:14:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Someone Not Impressed with Chrysler AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=fvy7sP9O96rfg6vzaGhDlxq-a93wRCgHVQoguVC4peAtP_1kP5UphpI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio wrote: "... The Mopar radio I had was their top of the line radio - it just happened to be in the used Dodge that I bought...." The very first Chrysler AM stereo radios were just an AM Stereo/FM Stereo radio only, and it was just average with the original MC13020P chip and was subject to platform motion that later radios weren't. The next generation Chrysler with the cassette player and 5 band EQ and 2nd generation chipset was the ultimate Chrysler AM Stereo made in 1993-1997 range. It rivaled the Delco UX-1 for AM Stereo quality. The Chrysler had the sweet joystick speaker fader control: one way to help you find the AMS rigs. The Chrysler RAZ AMS/FMS/Cassette/CD went down to just a 3 band EQ and they put a narrower I.F. filter in the radio (so, do like I did, and take it out and put a wider I.F. filter in the radio - pretty easy to do), but the radio isn't quite as good as the Delco UX1 5-band EQ AMS radios, but decent nonetheless as they eliminated platform motion with the 3rd generation chipset in these radios. So the quality of AM stereo radios varied widely, and we'll (I'll) be happy to share my opinions with the group on these radios. Of course the Fanfare FTA-100P is very sweet, but expensive. The Sony home 'stereo receivers' made for the Canadian market are great, but suffer from the single channel bass distortion that the Chryslers do not. 73's John From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 14 10:51:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48587 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2009 17:51:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2009 17:51:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 17:51:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2009 17:51:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2009 17:51:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:51:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <718005.27558.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.97 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Someone Not Impressed with Chrysler AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=NisyaUCeENazLYyIN9XgBMy1483eZSEg43kt3ogzntS4g_VLQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Does somebody know why Sony still offers some AM Stereo tuners in Japan but= not in other countries? Is it the same with other manufacters? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > >=20 > wrote: "... > The Mopar radio I had was their top of the line radio - it just happened = to be in the used Dodge that I bought...." >=20 > The very first Chrysler AM stereo radios were just an AM Stereo/FM Stereo= radio only, and it was just average with the original MC13020P chip and wa= s subject to platform motion that later radios weren't. >=20 > The next generation Chrysler with the cassette player and 5 band EQ and 2= nd generation chipset was the ultimate Chrysler AM Stereo made in 1993-1997= range. It rivaled the Delco UX-1 for AM Stereo quality. The Chrysler had= the sweet joystick speaker fader control: one way to help you find the AMS= rigs.=20 >=20 > The Chrysler RAZ AMS/FMS/Cassette/CD went down to just a 3 band EQ and th= ey put a narrower I.F. filter in the radio (so, do like I did, and take it = out and put a wider I.F. filter in the radio - pretty easy to do), but the = radio isn't quite as good as the Delco UX1 5-band EQ AMS radios, but decent= nonetheless as they eliminated platform motion with the 3rd generation chi= pset in these radios. >=20 > So the quality of AM stereo radios varied widely, and we'll (I'll) be hap= py to share my opinions with the group on these radios. >=20 > Of course the Fanfare FTA-100P is very sweet, but expensive. The Sony ho= me 'stereo receivers' made for the Canadian market are great, but suffer fr= om the single channel bass distortion that the Chryslers do not.=20 >=20 > 73's > John > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 14 11:39:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99912 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2009 18:39:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2009 18:39:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 18:39:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2009 18:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2009 18:38:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:38:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.124.64 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: Someone Not Impressed with Chrysler AM Stereo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Yqk7tATnzJN8n__FFEqa87-pAZWtHPY6J0B1PjhJBHHaaqf7R6Nvri9mLG0GJ5QNmWyoiK8g X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Does somebody know why Sony still offers some AM Stereo tuners in Japan b= ut not in other countries? >=20 > Is it the same with other manufacters? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > > >=20 > > wrote: "... > > The Mopar radio I had was their top of the line radio - it just happene= d to be in the used Dodge that I bought...." > >=20 > > The very first Chrysler AM stereo radios were just an AM Stereo/FM Ster= eo radio only, and it was just average with the original MC13020P chip and = was subject to platform motion that later radios weren't. > >=20 > > The next generation Chrysler with the cassette player and 5 band EQ and= 2nd generation chipset was the ultimate Chrysler AM Stereo made in 1993-19= 97 range. It rivaled the Delco UX-1 for AM Stereo quality. The Chrysler h= ad the sweet joystick speaker fader control: one way to help you find the A= MS rigs.=20 > >=20 > > The Chrysler RAZ AMS/FMS/Cassette/CD went down to just a 3 band EQ and = they put a narrower I.F. filter in the radio (so, do like I did, and take i= t out and put a wider I.F. filter in the radio - pretty easy to do), but th= e radio isn't quite as good as the Delco UX1 5-band EQ AMS radios, but dece= nt nonetheless as they eliminated platform motion with the 3rd generation c= hipset in these radios. > >=20 > > So the quality of AM stereo radios varied widely, and we'll (I'll) be h= appy to share my opinions with the group on these radios. > >=20 > > Of course the Fanfare FTA-100P is very sweet, but expensive. The Sony = home 'stereo receivers' made for the Canadian market are great, but suffer = from the single channel bass distortion that the Chryslers do not.=20 > >=20 > > 73's > > John > > > Hi Jaun The reason the Sony AMS radios are still offered in Japan is becaus= e AMS is still widely use in Japan insted of FMS. The reason for that is b= ecause Japan is a very hilly reagon so AM works better than FM in the hills= . Jim Smith From sub83@shortwavelog.com Tue Apr 14 17:52:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub83@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32122 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2009 00:52:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2009 00:52:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2009 00:52:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2009 00:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2009 00:52:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:52:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.65.239.247 From: "Robert Sillett" Subject: Re: Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=346563316; y=EoQvvm0JJpYmChhx0Z0dU0Dx9x0Pckx9NI88Hu-HOUL1ZA X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@..." wrote: > Hi Robert I did try it with a pear of ok head phones but boath FM modes s= ounded the same to me . And HD AM sounded like crap woblely and every thing= .I did'nt like it. I would like to get one of the Sangeans. I think the old= saying aplies here "You get what you pay for". Eather cheep junk or some t= hing good. Jim Smith > Jim: When listening to digital music, are you able to discern the difference bet= ween a 128kbps AAC iTunes song and a 256kbps AAC iTunes Plus song?=20=20 The difference between analog FM stereo and IBOC digital FM is akin to movi= ng from a lower sampled song to a higher sampled song. This is not a perfe= ct analogy, but you have to listen closely to hear the difference. And it'= s also important to use a good set of headphones. I'm fortunate enough to = have a nice, high-end pair of Sony headphones from their "professional DJ" = line. If I were just to use a generic pair of earbuds, I wouldn't hear muc= h difference. Robert, N3OEA From sub83@shortwavelog.com Tue Apr 14 17:57:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub83@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47170 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2009 00:57:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2009 00:57:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2009 00:57:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2009 00:56:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2009 00:56:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:56:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.126 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.65.239.247 From: "Robert Sillett" Subject: Re: Panasonic VP-8252P Manual X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=346563316; y=NHG2BduC0PM8M01O_FWAptuIdTgVizX4Dwz6uxCFrfGXqg X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Can we get that Sony multi-mode chip, new, today? Is there in the web som= e PDF file with the chip characteristics and specs? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 Hi, Juan. I'm afraid that the only source for the wonderful, multi-mode Sony AM Stere= o chip is to win an eBay auction for the Sony Walkman AM Stereo radios. So= ny made the SRF-A1 and SRF-A100 radios back in the 1980s.=20=20 The Sony shortwave radio ICF-2010 is also supposed to use the same AM Stere= o chip (forced into Kahn/Hazeltine mode) to support synchronous detection (= AMS-Upper and AMS-Lower) for shortwave stations. However, that radio does = not use the AM Stereo chip to decode AM Stereo. Robert, N3OEA From sub83@shortwavelog.com Tue Apr 14 18:03:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub83@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53469 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2009 01:03:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2009 01:03:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2009 01:03:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2009 01:03:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2009 01:03:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:03:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.65.239.247 From: "Robert Sillett" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hows Chris been? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=346563316; y=bGFJzMw4raCh0z0C9S370VlhHEKtHONYo5a1HInT1Njf0w X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > I know he continues to sell items on eBay. He is a good guy. It would b= e nice to see him active on this list again. > Dick W. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jimsmith95650@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:37 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Hows Chris been? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi Gang I have been wondering how Chris Cuff has been? I don't bug him = much. It would be nice to see him active again.Jim Smith >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Chris is a straight up guy. In 1999 I bought one of his retrofit kits with= the intention of installing it into my Bose Waveradio. I have it admit th= at it was a bit beyond my capabilities, and I was rather concerned about fr= ying my radio. Chris volunteered to install his decoder into my radio. = =20 Thanks to Chris Cuff, I have had a AM Stereo Bose Wave Radio for 10 years n= ow. So if you are reading this, Chris, thanks again. I am also fortunate to have one of Chris' "Alfredo Lite" AM Stereo transmit= ters. It's a great addition to the shack.=20=20 Robert, N3OEA From w6yn@juno.com Wed Apr 15 05:30:07 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 59259 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2009 12:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2009 12:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2009 12:30:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1239798525; bh=DDRdE2mPrRxi18Kbei1DstwRDxRjv3S94qJB3i1kJtY=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-UNTD-OriginStamp:X-Received:X-Received:Mime-Version:Date:To:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Content-Type:X-ContentStamp:X-UNTD-Peer-Info:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=NCSL87ml9VL4Mp3NOqTA7kWu/p0Xt7vsqKkJMy1OAiU7nKa4TpfFGgFTJK/6sfpc6/965dJuqXP3S5eytKcD5iQ+kRcrbXM8UlD/2E//IkfhDLXpPMkMeZ8Y+/E3K0SX Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2009 12:28:45 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Apr 2009 12:28:45 -0000 X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37316 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2009 23:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2009 23:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 23:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE8LHFVA4855DJ for (sender ); Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:30:59 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD+2/xKbiswICv5Ms6ZR4LaM= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PD56H6W5; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:30:12 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.212.115] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:29:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:29:59 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090414.162959.12543.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:1576897621 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Win some hash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=QwZHOpOhA5YfSE7u6cjX4wK9UE7PV53c4lhy7W7jjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 15 Apr 2009 12:28:44 -0000 Citadel Broadcasting is offering an HD Radio this month on 'Imus in the Mor= ning'from April 20th =96 May 1st. April is =93HD Radio Month=94 on Imus.=20 =20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Apr 15 05:53:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48770 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2009 12:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2009 12:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2009 12:53:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6414 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2009 12:53:32 -0000 Message-ID: <524757.5624.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: woXxtcAVM1lB64yVGC.Nd48hUq2.dOodheVV9rKEy75eDL0alklxBOj0ZbiQEc_W5o_SI5q_zjpHVLfI5o0ay924Km.qEE9TeKAy_XtIgVYSq69WU0Bu8yAvOImBcIKVifN85SU04_kg8ML9_HbuJbfgv7.sFGSVaIbopTBJJH5a1wLClclIu1z3aINOYMBoQBrcYNz5vF0a8OhKE91EvIDwvjdOA8Wx5j_oZZHyN8nM3VxJFdO8C9rks6.eM7vY.1GkhACiOWSfiXKZF9bY.SpVebpXm_ev1uo- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:53:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.15 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:53:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Sony ICF-2010 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=QxJ_M45WSYYWq9_26Dg39E8KzqeVI9mFtAb2MkkVTGaFb_ATU2895fc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Robert wrote: "...The Sony shortwave radio ICF-2010 is also supposed to use the same AM Stereo chip (forced into Kahn/Hazeltine mode) to support synchronous detection (AMS-Upper and AMS-Lower) for shortwave stations. However, that radio does not use the AM Stereo chip to decode AM Stereo..." I believe at one time there was a modification on the Web to wire the 2010 to have AM stereo at the headphone jack, just like FM stereo. Worth searching for, but an SRF-A1 or SRF-A100 would be a whole lot easier. 73's John From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 15 06:44:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37472 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2009 13:44:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2009 13:44:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2009 13:44:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 26811 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2009 13:43:41 -0000 Message-ID: <322266.21765.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gBpZpX4VM1mFmpJB0VZame.A1yxdFSUn44atWy1Mw5xWdjwoq2jyosxpRAKOwdcxtE3SJ8B0qRJ7xQQmMIuO0KXevsysYj5A_KpTnwSAdNRH.EWTJHjCHSVzoinpE5Mrw4ett7Oprowbd75iHN8OfOoSWMdNN7AMvreGmW6PPNxt03ha6J5WapNk2HPXCSU3VS7m8L_eWUYgbWw7Xor6K8uRJrsD6ieCMrV8CYekHdh0Fjaa2.W98pIMW7iGF5l_6baDXr.0LKESBgI5CL.OYfl0J6WS6Bn3KD7Lpch6igHIdiZGBYu6HmFY5sYxU4kfcGd0SU4RUJMV7KrOuYHNw1p5KcG6rrw- X-Received: from [209.213.19.73] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:43:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.15 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:43:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony ICF-2010 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=HfslDHWfJzuAcBneJKGtaP5e6Bq5QB7B3WFIM8qWBgA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And I would NEVER gut and butcher my 2010 to make this modification! Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 4/15/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Sony ICF-2010 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 8:53 AM Robert wrote: "...The Sony shortwave radio ICF-2010 is also supposed to use= the same AM Stereo chip (forced into Kahn/Hazeltine mode) to support synch= ronous detection (AMS-Upper and AMS-Lower) for shortwave stations. However,= that radio does not use the AM Stereo chip to decode AM Stereo..." I believe at one time there was a modification on the Web to wire the 2010 = to have AM stereo at the headphone jack, just like FM stereo.=A0 Worth sear= ching for, but an SRF-A1 or SRF-A100 would be a whole lot easier. 73's John =A0 =A0 =A0=20 ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Apr 15 07:56:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99014 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2009 14:56:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2009 14:56:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2009 14:56:13 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imo-m22.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-249e5f52c2e1; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:54:36 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bed.3b939933 (39955) for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:54:24 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Win some hash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tmkTyqjlMSmaLK96P0fJWImQv6LBB4jRuR95Vs0UHmqk5B_AoxmQiyIttT8oPBte X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am really disappointed. When is Imus going to give away some of that=20 anti-aging skin cream he uses? Mike ************** Great deals on Dell=E2=80=99s most popular laptops =E2=80=93 Starting at=20 $479=20 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631252x1201390195/aol?redir=3D= http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213968550%3B35701427%3Bh) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Apr 15 11:14:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47981 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2009 18:13:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2009 18:13:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2009 18:13:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.224] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090415131256102920700010.0) with SMTP id <20090415131256102920700010> for ; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:12:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005301c9bdf6$ebf24f20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:12:56 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=eps2gfYWme2csgU8T4h-cEUsvQk1wszmAtpyKxE_ieL5tpcEu2yc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *If* they use the entire bandwidth for the main channel. Once they divvy up the bandwidth for HD-2 and more, then it's enough bit reduced to either make no difference or actually even be worse than analog. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Sillett To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com The difference between analog FM stereo and IBOC digital FM is akin to moving from a lower sampled song to a higher sampled song. This is not a perfect analogy, but you have to listen closely to hear the difference. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Apr 15 18:13:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92907 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2009 01:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2009 01:13:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2009 01:13:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8824 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2009 01:12:59 -0000 Message-ID: <751952.7700.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gERYgFAVM1nYATauYfRbaOlI_FUvESDOyFiCpXYSnNYX8HxVoUIJjfMwVMTOIsTJz1pc5yHmYZPuiixqs3aDe0Dlxv7IAw0h0tLqHmLlPcRIaVhAnLWxiGxVr7zh6CyUqf9wiLisc_UdFg3Dh0n4m_svMB035mRiMke1LdPPyrgODICWlKHmezHC7qnwybH1S1DyPoCRJkDTgzANeI712OI20VL4JVOUeGzqWGBarouUy_Zc0tj2iV5HkdyyWFWOavwnBxEE1HE8fHcw0u.0SXeJmj.l_BJa5YLenjp2dTZzemTnRFUKvUYfORnrHmlXYW9ziOOoPXUb07OSZ7lLq2btyOhWDFvwyz8- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:12:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:12:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Win some hash X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=lL1_qqQlRdh8hYEqC8oxHxUsy5TesoxwVJxnYxPtoHMvkA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Trust me, Mike, that cream doesn't work THAT well. I met him a few years a= go, when he did his show in Southfield...that is one scary looking dude! (But really pretty nice, too, deep down inside.) G --- On Wed, 4/15/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Win some hash > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 10:54 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > I am really disappointed. When is Imus going to > give away some of that=20 >=20 > anti-aging skin cream he uses? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************ ** >=20 > Great deals on Dell=E2=80=99s most popular laptops =E2=80=93 Starting > at=20 >=20 > $479=20 >=20 > (http://pr.atwola. > com/promoclk/ 100126575x122063 1252x1201390195/ aol?redir=3D > http:%2F% 2Fad.doubleclick .net%2Fclk% 3B213968550% > 3B35701427% 3Bh) >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 16 21:02:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16877 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2009 04:02:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2009 04:02:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n79.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.44.39) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2009 04:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n79.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2009 04:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2009 04:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.69] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2009 04:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2009 04:02:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 200709.60028.bm@omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 12279 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2009 04:01:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO v3f1e2) (jimsmith95650@75.44.202.79 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2009 04:01:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WpHWP5kVM1l6T7tHwIWY1PDzlyYgNKI78jiBzKoXbCuPCxc.zsMYKG_1oWmSuwVBLBJkejCjeXntxBJFtQ8vMspnevtCnOJvaIrV1QpdtPEPGN5OuWi4RFG.KZe3ZVnBZyaLtlsBCqj59Gpc_BwARMkbIqPlzDLTBOBFcSE_c2q46jIE.7eUBPpGWmEsST8OA1GxPILaOUrZF.lMvLiqp1hWZQ4ZmAe9uF8W4M8yqBe88bP1AUiQBVS.vnbYpG6z8NlXlRUyzbX.qA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000a01c9bf11$774db3a0$e1aafea9@v3f1e2> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:03:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 98.136.44.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: A movement on AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=6Kkm45EmXcNuGnUwobjwS4qTQW8yau961iBQFVoLBAPNinOSkz1SVLp45Ia2qLF7kuRWHb5q X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have noticed on AM (NOT HERE YET) that there has been a movement away from talk radio on AM. Here are three stations WICC AM Stereo 600 Brigeport Ct oldies full time and KNRO AM STEREO 1670 Redding Ca album music and KTNN AM 660 Window Rock Az has drop there over night trucker talk show. So finely some music is comeing back to AM. Jim Smith A AM music fan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 16 21:26:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46984 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2009 04:26:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2009 04:26:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2009 04:26:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2009 04:25:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2009 04:25:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:25:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c9bf11$774db3a0$e1aafea9@v3f1e2> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.44.202.79 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: A movement on AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=-rUlIWZ_bSKAhzInv4AggefuizhEGsrrc3q08DgBykpoXd5LATPv0gLqXq_fSU55VuedyXZa X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I have noticed on AM (NOT HERE YET) that there has been a movement away = from talk radio on AM. Here are three stations WICC AM Stereo 600 Brigeport= Ct oldies full time and KNRO AM STEREO 1670 Redding Ca album music and KTN= N AM 660 Window Rock Az has drop there over night trucker talk show. So fi= nely some music is comeing back to AM. Jim Smith A AM music fan >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang Ummmm I had the wrong station WCTC AM STEREO 1450 not WICC AM STERE= O 600 oooops!!! Jim Smith From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Apr 17 05:29:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36556 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2009 12:29:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2009 12:29:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2009 12:29:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28556 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2009 12:28:06 -0000 Message-ID: <720114.27497.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pwBVRFgVM1n4LfMOXZo5Mz5EM013LyIzmTtCWd5YJInOx3NPyGPNMjzzFRaeDuBf.bO4o.YlNGps8zcpzjH0YKB1SgWzHFn2UarCUzkgDdG4l3UFYYvbQp33l0_Hw7.O2O6pBb.FPxVQbnZxOdbhmwzJwLrlCEen8zk3joincp5H023URyp2QVKqjMN55IsdUtq6c_L1pmLKJEPdNsawOPYL5gzyNRBSqPFrCaeCRZdc9Rs- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:28:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.15 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:28:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: re: Was Not Impressed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=V6A32-nvXvDBBYrEQ0GGzKc7g8wDFfO7e2hwr9eVuURExWy5S3aqM1w X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Scott wrote: "*If* they use the entire bandwidth for the main channel. Once they divvy up the bandwidth for HD-2 and more, then it's enough bit reduced to either make no difference or actually even be worse than analog..." Very true, the adult AC station here has an HD2 signal, and when the HD tuner goes from analog to digital, it actully has LESS high end and LESS stereo separation - a big disappointment. I was really in favor of the HD2 channels, but it costs audio quality on HD1 big-time - at least on the 3 stations here that do it, while the 4 HD1 FM stations only sound about the same, just less cymbal and high-end audio. Two AM -HD stations here (both mono); one has better bass for the talk shows, but more 'sssss'. The other has brokered time on the weekends, and the music, while mono, sounds quite good in HD-AM other than buggering-up the 2 adjacent frequencies on both sides. -John From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 17 15:03:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69491 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2009 22:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2009 22:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14d.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.237) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2009 22:03:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2009 22:03:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2009 22:03:09 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:03:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <720114.27497.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.101 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Was Not Impressed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=bUzZYEEiZK8tDhT2JgE6tGrgPMPS3MFej6F06rDDwMRaErfnNg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Any analog AM source can give the same, or even better, bass and mid range.= IF THE TUNERS HAD A GOOD IF FILTER, ANY ANALOG AM COULD HAVE A LOT OF VERY= GOOD TREBLE RANGE TOO!!! I can't understand why to insist with digital tricks with a too low bitrate= , that never will give a good response. While nobody discover how to put 192 kbps into a 10 KHZ max bandwidth, digi= tal audio won't sound good in AM. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > >=20 > Scott wrote: "*If* they use the entire bandwidth for the main channel. On= ce they divvy up the bandwidth for HD-2 and more, then it's enough bit redu= ced to either make no difference or actually even be worse than analog..." >=20 > Very true, the adult AC station here has an HD2 signal, and when the HD t= uner goes from analog to digital, it actully has LESS high end and LESS ste= reo separation - a big disappointment. I was really in favor of the HD2 ch= annels, but it costs audio quality on HD1 big-time - at least on the 3 stat= ions here that do it, while the 4 HD1 FM stations only sound about the same= , just less cymbal and high-end audio. >=20 > Two AM -HD stations here (both mono); one has better bass for the talk sh= ows, but more 'sssss'. The other has brokered time on the weekends, and th= e music, while mono, sounds quite good in HD-AM other than buggering-up the= 2 adjacent frequencies on both sides. >=20 > -John > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 17 15:05:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64532 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2009 22:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2009 22:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2009 22:05:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2009 22:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2009 22:05:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:05:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.59.101 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: A movement on AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=bjVQVFoAm4IgeWdm0yBGfxXb0bOe0lrRUpysw31nmoyqealbKw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 You Lucky Guys!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@..." wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > I have noticed on AM (NOT HERE YET) that there has been a movement awa= y from talk radio on AM. Here are three stations WICC AM Stereo 600 Brigepo= rt Ct oldies full time and KNRO AM STEREO 1670 Redding Ca album music and K= TNN AM 660 Window Rock Az has drop there over night trucker talk show. So = finely some music is comeing back to AM. Jim Smith A AM music fan > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Gang Ummmm I had the wrong station WCTC AM STEREO 1450 not WICC AM STE= REO 600 oooops!!! Jim Smith > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Apr 17 16:42:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94760 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2009 23:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2009 23:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2009 23:41:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.83] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090417184112100309600010.0) with SMTP id <20090417184112100309600010> for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:41:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008801c9bfb7$1e1ce3e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:41:12 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Clear channel to seek out more community input X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ADGgyprZTwAqzM607fU5MD4sX6w7LA2diZkTz9QWxy4Frc1gLoZv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Better late than never. http://www.radioink.com/Article.asp?id=1275548&spid=30800 Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sat Apr 18 23:21:30 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 54221 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 06:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 06:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n60d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.85) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 06:21:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1240122075; bh=m9TNEF9bgiolKZ79xYErf953m9Drb65QbJhKWeKVm38=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-UNTD-OriginStamp:X-Received:X-Received:Mime-Version:Date:To:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Content-Type:X-ContentStamp:X-UNTD-Peer-Info:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=X4oqDhsCHW7oKVC4JoZ0Zk7HFKKfGO4NhvYUDedUR0D2sxtkf6dyu90jF3BU+xgg9y4EyUFEZZCLCHqhLplOwBsvNWBw/OyO1ApA7Gw3BmKZxmFksH9u0tQYQvtHtrM+ Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n60.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2009 06:21:15 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2009 06:21:15 -0000 X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69850 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2009 15:33:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2009 15:33:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2009 15:33:54 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE8TJLWAW56MBJ for (sender ); Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:33:40 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8TCNsEDNjc4vw6ifDuHkC0= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PEC2FM8X; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:33:36 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.212.115] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:32:25 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:32:25 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090417.083225.19705.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:566858082 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=jSQakm2aoWW5nolcbWWRBDoHj6VWB_Q7ZNDETLwqPg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 19 Apr 2009 06:21:13 -0000 The Scranton Times quotes DJ Sam Liguori saying the backup transmitter fail= ed and that =93WARM is done=85Unless there=92s a miracle, they ain=92t comi= ng back.=94 While WNEP-TV News says =93the station went off the air recentl= y because of transmitter problems, and Newswatch 16 has learned that employ= ees got a memo saying it would be too expensive to turn the transmitter bac= k on again.=94 Can that be? Even a used 5-kw AM transmitter would get WARM = back on and it wouldn=92t cost much. But the impression around =93NEPA=94 i= s that Citadel thinks even that expenditure wouldn=92t be practical, which = sends a helluva message about the radio business, doesn=92t it? =93Mighty 5= 90=94 WARM was the Wilkes-Barre/Scranton market=92s first big top 40 statio= n. Recently it=92s been airing Citadel Media=92s own True Oldies service, p= lus weekend shows like Sam Liguori=92s polka program. From w6yn@juno.com Sat Apr 18 23:21:30 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14223 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 06:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 06:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 06:21:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1240122056; bh=05ahidzFWW53TxQLbxlJZ1i+602Dp/ImPs3YaWQT830=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-UNTD-OriginStamp:X-Received:X-Received:Mime-Version:Date:To:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Content-Type:X-ContentStamp:X-UNTD-Peer-Info:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=MFYUiTMKVeWplb8/Rr1B3U/i78jYx+PYqryGOSDjLgZGvDwdGj8lsd+dKOQZED98K5nNqdaMQI6CO0TifPK9a/+MloSSy3MVIPZBwSYdcIxCdGTtIYXoT9ybEFwkWQjK Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2009 06:20:56 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2009 06:20:56 -0000 X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67413 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2009 15:36:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Apr 2009 15:36:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2009 15:36:58 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE8M92QAWX35PA for (sender ); Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:36:46 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDwZcdfKDI6lhj5ViiH9hHvM= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PD7VTUSM; Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:36:41 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.212.115] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:35:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:35:55 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090415.083555.14525.2@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:153227883 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Radio is at the tipping point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=eXXhSdQJVklWCbxNOYdGFUrUcuoqGtSmLjxV_IxZtA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 19 Apr 2009 06:20:55 -0000 From consultant/visionary John Parikhal: =93Internet companies are checking out the customer six ways to Sunday. But= radio will tell you they don=92t have the money to research their customer= .=94 He goes on =96 =93I truly think we=92re at the tipping point, because = for any business, you have to know who your customers are. For radio, it=92= s 5 different customers - #1, Wall Street or another =91lender.=92 #2 =96 = the advertiser. And radio should focus a lot more on the advertiser, becaus= e it has given them very short shrift. The more innovative companies are tr= ying to become the digital and media marketing experts for the local guy, t= o help them move more product. Their competition is Craigslist and emerging= online city directories. Customer #3 is the FCC, and I sense that radio wi= ll be hearing from them within a year. Customer #4 is the employees. With a= few notable exceptions, they have been treated the way no customer should = ever be treated. This whirlwind of firings and layoffs has nothing to do wi= th performance, and the message it sends is very negative. People are now v= ery, very wary about making radio a career. Finally, Customer #5 is the lis= tener. But radio thinks =91all we have to do is keep the listeners we=92ve = got.=92 That=92s a fool=92s game. You have to grow the pie, and to do that,= you need to know more about your listener than their favorite songs or tha= t they like sports on the radio. The listener doesn=92t care that radio is = in a recession and won=92t invest in understanding their changing needs.=94= =20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 23:46:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14751 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 06:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 06:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 06:46:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2009 06:46:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2009 06:46:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 06:46:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.239.245.125 From: "Kevin T." Subject: 1600 WWRL AM Stereo videos on YouTube X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=jqiFaSTsDjC65jvkTLp__drx3lyR5jHXPHkV7g3gXz9JHGA8hQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Now that YouTube fully supports stereo audio, I have posted some of the bes= t-sounding AM Stereo I have ever gotten on tape: New York City's 1600 WWRL,= from the Summer of 2000, when they "accidentally" had their 10 kHz NRSC fi= lter disabled and were broadcasting incredible FM-quality sound. Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DLHZe2bNJW7k Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dp-HHOGmshIg Part 3, and maybe more, coming soon. Enjoy! From kevtronics@yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 23:50:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76402 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 06:50:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 06:50:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 06:50:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2009 06:50:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2009 06:50:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 06:50:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.239.245.125 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: 1600 WWRL AM Stereo videos on YouTube X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=IS9_dxDb0pijNHAKsn_poh9WebAfPKDWNJGiERYhDjYvEGq7Hw X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics I forgot to mention -- be sure to watch the videos in High Quality mode, by= clicking on the "HQ" button if it is not already engaged (colored red). T= he normal quality mode is still stereo, but to hear the full audio bandwidt= h you need to view in HQ mode. From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Apr 19 06:16:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34891 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 13:16:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 13:16:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.159.7) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 13:16:28 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-249eb23ea9d; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:15:22 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bfd.5534f916 (30737) for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:15:18 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.159.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Imr4s3fWr3XqgorHkZ8ztlttsHXThp7DriVCzR-gzzJyTsdvh0igcHRc9pQUhD6J X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a common problem. The spot rates, for what spots there are, won't cover the basic expenses for many stations now, even those that are automated and/or just run bird droppings. Local small businesses simply don't have the money to advertise, no matter how cheap the rates are. If you ran a Dairy Queen would you replace a failed a soft serve machine when you were losing money when it was working? This may sound harsh, but the AM band might improve with some attrition. Many years ago, station owners equated bandwidth, meaning stations owned and air time, with profit, especially with technology driving down programming costs. They were like the farmers prior to the Great Depression. That is, more crops meant more income. With newly available mechanization, they could produce more than there was a market to consume which put them on a downward spiral which eventually crashed and burned. In much the same way, smaller station owners pushed for increased operating hours and more stations. They did to the AM band what farmers did to land and agriculture in the 1920s. AM is turning into a Dust Bowl, if it hasn't already. In my opinion, we need far fewer AM stations and a return to the allocation scheme of the 1930s. AM's strength is its ability to reach large audiences and cover vast areas. The proliferation of a large number of small stations undermines that strength. A small AM station that may have effective nighttime coverage reaching out only ten or twenty miles renders its operating frequency unusable for hundreds of miles. That is a poor utilitization of a precious resource. The Clear-Regional-Local allocation scheme made good sense. In fact, not only would I return the Class IA allocations, but I would consider a dozen or so superpower authorizations of 500kW to 1 MW with continental frequency protection. This would provide a sufficient potential audience to support quality original programming. Of course, station owners would want to put on the usual low cost swill to maximize their profits which they should not be allowed to do. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814852x1201410738/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter419NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Apr 19 06:31:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43807 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 13:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 13:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.159.7) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 13:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-349eb27773d6; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:30:31 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d56.2486c657 (30737) for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:30:25 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.137 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.159.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1600 WWRL AM Stereo videos on YouTube X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zs3KGkxR6N8a0uwroORtbWCoJvkV_VucTKHxUNv3zFc07M96P4M8v_I0JkEKMiuT X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In looking at the VU meters, it also looks like they didn't compress the heck of their program material either. On a different note, I see you have done some things with dbx II. I see great potential in using this system, or a modified version of it, for AM Stereo. As a cosmic coincidence, dbx II happens to employ the same 75 usec pre-emphasis as AMAX. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814852x1201410738/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D66807 2%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter419NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sun Apr 19 07:26:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62276 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 14:26:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 14:26:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173019pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.19) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 14:26:27 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KIC003B5QS0ZNJX@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:26:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <3E172DFBFE834CB984D3BE60E5CEAFC6@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:26:28 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=a9acEnarC3z3sKSVF10c6HEmoz5QOn8ED7NJx4G8maohOA X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike is entirely correct. There are too many stations/program sources, with the result that any one of them is faced with high expenses and low listenership. A truly losing combination. Through digital radio, the industry foolishly supported and promoted the addition of even more channels, further diluting the audience base. Politically, there is no way that we can go back to something similar to the former allocations, but I agree with Mike that such a move would restore profitability to the industry. In the large metropolitan areas, the proliferation of nightime AM channels is sort of a joke anyway, since most of them are such low power and skewed broadcast patterns that they're not receivable in the suburbs, where most of their target audience probably lives. I would also agree with Mike's suggestion of a dozen or so superpower authorizations, but as I said earlier, politically it just ain't gonna happen. The industry (digitally) foolishly supports more local channels, not less. Radio will ultimately wind up as three or four giant nationwide networks, with no local references (other than station breaks). The lower-powered urban stations with poor coverage patterns will wind up going dark, because they won't have a place in this scenario. Dick W. Mike said: This may sound harsh, but the AM band might improve with some attrition. Many years ago, station owners equated bandwidth, meaning stations owned and air time, with profit, especially with technology driving down programming costs. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Apr 19 08:55:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14926 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 15:55:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 15:55:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s29.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.232) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 15:55:15 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W77 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s29.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:55:11 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:55:11 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2009 15:55:11.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[3889B310:01C9C107] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} 1600 WWRL AM Stereo videos on YouTube X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=jawr1icrXmmFlxt0NVH6Tm_3I2ANwMBRgkI1yUDU5LC5hq68dNFg X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Simply magnificent!! Truly some of the best I have ever heard. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: kevtronics@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 06:46:25 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} 1600 WWRL AM Stereo videos on YouTube Now that YouTube fully supports stereo audio, I have posted some of the best-sounding AM Stereo I have ever gotten on tape: New York City's 1600 WWRL, from the Summer of 2000, when they "accidentally" had their 10 kHz NRSC filter disabled and were broadcasting incredible FM-quality sound. Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHZe2bNJW7k Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-HHOGmshIg Part 3, and maybe more, coming soon. Enjoy! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Apr 19 10:06:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12838 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 17:06:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 17:06:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 17:06:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89560 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2009 17:05:50 -0000 Message-ID: <721706.89449.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1ZVCwGAVM1nRzHjh0sjszxlgK8WJwxGuB5flseGfiuEjl3Y.2yk9xfVGiMPRCrfECsOvGOBbRsyHHb6G0elhmfefBiwbVW13P4yWGx.jfnNOjey09dFhrCGRM9lOkernwW9F_p2nT9hN3oHaOnKISn7zaV6VOOpUtZqybMlJ2Uw4twuP5ta__OmVfbRppNRraz7SOc4o22TGz.3Xm1kaWW9tRtcJ50h_t5rSVUhYoM3C8IYlkVDRoC5EOlgrMpD49R8BTvqWz1WUtUykocLHefRRbQh1tMO8lw1F X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:05:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.15 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:05:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WWRL on uTube X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Rk07AROeKKwUcuk8I-QJHdvBp2mM8j8jT9vnJkjMdEe594YyJ6-wWLo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Questions: So if the red HQ is 'illuminated' then it IS in HQ? What do you have to do to be able to upload in HQ? WMV file with special settings or anything? John From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Apr 19 16:42:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86324 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 23:42:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 23:42:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 23:42:43 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN4-549ebb6d747; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:42:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d50.48d8d7f1 (39954) for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:42:04 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 1600 WWRL AM Stereo videos on YouTube X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=3rKJGb6C82LoYv0DqPVJI_iSD7Rh1te_DKjaqHRLf9aODQwVzmQoTTdr3q9UsdIh X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/19/2009 10:55:30 AM Central Daylight Time, mtgc@hotmail.com writes: > Simply magnificent!! Truly some of the best I have ever heard. > I agree. While FM could provide an advantage when it comes to serious listening on a large home system, AM Stereo is capable of supplying competitive sound quality in most car and casual listening situations. I don't know about everyone else, but the only serious listening I do in regards to radio is DXing. If I want serious, as in my focus of attention, music I use CD or downloaded MP3 to listen to exactly what I want. The last serious listening I can recall on radio was Larry Lujack's Animal Stories in the morning going to work and Steve and Gary coming home on WLS which was nearly 300 miles distant. Both sounded just fine even on a mono AM car radio even though WLS was in fulltime stereo. My concern is that if AM profitability and listenership continues to decline, it is going to deteriorate to the point monied interests will be able to change it into something unrecognizable such as a paid digital only service or just a propaganda organ. It is almost the the latter already. Mike ************** Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Apr 19 16:59:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44058 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 23:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 23:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 23:59:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10472 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2009 23:58:01 -0000 Message-ID: <435942.9947.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ejfjhs8VM1nYuleGoqlnEWGypMelhyuECvkWTA2nUXV5KMeev2t2GFVv8XYe1tgTYjok282.FJF5M_OSeKAZj_yl5LeEMZtl6IDYRivuGCO3O5kNnVO7x16H._EtKBvrksstPA6JEsMgjPwRGo8o5a2Sw9rwi8QLVp0PBoAmtPFULsi0orXGufYzvBfLSdhDQw6o1tWvw5io.x.JGnIvq0DS13UqGZjhzLR07LwaJBXbJS68bpbgQhGmakoaFX5qZ7FvYtv9TNEntQ9tD31Pbox5XtYw3Va0eMLhwrnCH_PmS03gSdWPxyrKGxGtkiDqyQ4XIutZaHY7F5Cvqpm51FEAw92kSwtSjoE- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:58:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:58:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio is at the tipping point X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=jrJYW0HEhmttTESHMPLB8mxwa5lvuVCcRZgeVYc8eIjXXA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Well put, he hits the nail on the head! G --- On Wed, 4/15/09, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: {AMSF} Radio is at the tipping point > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 11:35 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > From consultant/visionar y John Parikhal: >=20 >=20 >=20 > =E2=80=9CInternet companies are checking out the customer six > ways to Sunday. But radio will tell you they don=E2=80=99t have > the money to research their customer.=E2=80=9D He goes on =E2=80=93 =E2= =80=9CI > truly think we=E2=80=99re at the tipping point, because for any > business, you have to know who your customers are. For > radio, it=E2=80=99s 5 different customers - #1, Wall Street or > another =E2=80=98lender.=E2=80=99 #2 =E2=80=93 the advertiser. And radio > should focus a lot more on the advertiser, because it has > given them very short shrift. The more innovative companies > are trying to become the digital and media marketing experts > for the local guy, to help them move more product. Their > competition is Craigslist and emerging online city > directories. Customer #3 is the FCC, and I sense that radio > will be hearing from them within a year. Customer #4 is the > employees. With a few notable exceptions, they have been > treated the way no customer should ever be treated. This > whirlwind of firings and layoffs has nothing to do with > performance, and the message it sends is very negative. > People are now very, very wary about making radio a career. > Finally, Customer #5 is the listener. But radio thinks > =E2=80=98all we have to do is keep the listeners we=E2=80=99ve got.=E2=80= =99 > That=E2=80=99s a fool=E2=80=99s game. You have to grow the pie, and to > do that, you need to know more about your listener than > their favorite songs or that they like sports on the radio. > The listener doesn=E2=80=99t care that radio is in a recession and > won=E2=80=99t invest in understanding their changing needs.=E2=80=9D=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Apr 19 17:01:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10058 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2009 00:01:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2009 00:01:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2009 00:01:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62508 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2009 00:01:16 -0000 Message-ID: <901386.57742.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: b3pOJRIVM1koyXqtp6QiRP4.v0BKyTU8TdOvfloeXoGFBFKE2denhJvSGa3mvdmJnRtmWvd80zAHByE61uS6Oh2Dv_T017okkrje7JRlAwM1zQtaFUVwbWkfDoxoT950mmdc79w_oedSqrwBKwfN6oVIadQwNZHIkjzsZcxHRY5cOFn31i_Q1vvdllnYdELgb.uMyCEk68C_AbPtFsz83WnqydOi5xbukYgydoBYUAZvHWHQQpcMSjK81dGDBMrZ9JIu3N6GI4S_DwgRH9To4tQS5kak39W2von1wUfbxJ413FzqLqOHH7F9znTi4YgATuDFnhxf.R4_loBVCGY2H.hoozao9YmD2Zg- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:01:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:01:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: A movement on AM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=MGlsLLXImmIB_nF9t1yD5s5gtTWYzNk5ZJAoC_w-lAuGGw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Yes, and in this day when C-QUAM is supposedly disappearing, I made a very pleasant discovery yesterday afternoon...WKAR in Lansing was in stereo! I heard several other stations on 870 from Detroit area, but they were the dominant signal, so I believe it was them making ye olde "stereo" light come on. G --- On Fri, 4/17/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net > Subject: {AMSF} Re: A movement on AM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 12:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@ > yahoogroups. com, wrote: > > > > > > I have noticed on AM (NOT HERE YET) that there has > been a movement away from talk radio on AM. Here are three > stations WICC AM Stereo 600 Brigeport Ct oldies full time > and KNRO AM STEREO 1670 Redding Ca album music and KTNN AM > 660 Window Rock Az has drop there over night trucker talk > show. So finely some music is comeing back to AM. Jim Smith > A AM music fan > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Hi Gang Ummmm I had the wrong station WCTC AM STEREO 1450 > not WICC AM STEREO 600 oooops!!! Jim Smith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue Apr 21 07:37:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50820 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2009 14:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2009 14:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2009 14:37:51 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so976487yxp.20 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:37:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.151.147.17 with SMTP id z17mr3487244ybn.1.1240324627935; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:37:07 -0600 Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904210737l67f3a2c0w65ce52f1a099c693@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Listening to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=OQI5eOHicALjR4lEqe0137OyYnEuy7MSpJoYirhqXeyqNI7PLFsZLVQw X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester For what it's worth, I get a somewhat listenable fringe signal from a 5000 Watt low dial position AM Stereo station that programs...music! -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 07:57:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25056 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2009 14:57:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2009 14:57:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.233) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2009 14:57:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 87785 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2009 14:57:49 -0000 Message-ID: <734487.85101.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7BNoHnQVM1nW71lcnZ9xNu3Ail2V57fjcyXEXo5jx4mdARaDV_16WcpRlKUxRe6in0Bx.4yHM5z9t1rH1MFQVnIhlwZnZAnO_J43FcD7OxGNWo.5bvsrHnkKoL5ghQHgu4MuFBdgNqX9XnSA.GWi8xyF1wMEHIVsMFQ7Pn8om0OKWLld1zilhqFcBNVq8N1gzoVio7m62ViQPJsNJD8x68zpWo57RrgGjanXZu2HLJeGtK3bWEEsImGBnHDkqa5Yi6oTRPlZLx98mIAHHHI7xm4zVBVt4s5CrPNQ7tiP_Yt5uyoLfBau_fIpEgAo05HmhFixHaBwRb_opo6nlklATZ_.GfC4C1lngpByie6ukFS53RqH X-Received: from [75.144.174.185] by web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:57:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:57:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80904210737l67f3a2c0w65ce52f1a099c693@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Listening to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=KSGxbro2uwIykNOWLcJnSTcoue01ffcX4IuFmtScVCR37bvw9yot X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What station & whereabouts? --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. Subject: {AMSF} Listening to AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 10:37 AM For what it's worth, I get a somewhat listenable fringe signal from a 5000 Watt low dial position AM Stereo station that programs...music! -- Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj. com walkerbroadcasting@ gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 09:56:54 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31642;u=;t=1240333560;m=159586985;s=554537486; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 10:14:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24096 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2009 17:14:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2009 17:14:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.120) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2009 17:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n15.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2009 16:43:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2009 16:43:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:43:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.120 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.154 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=GqjtVCcete_szXdeSDN9SeleFiOUpSLWWNkJ02jZCB0UjttIbg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 OK, Let's suppose you're right and all the AM broadcasters want to "ride on= " over 50 KW RF power. Now, tell me: WHO'LL PAY THE ELECTRIC BILL? If you get the goverments give a FREE license to all the radio broadcasters= to get FREE electric power, then you could get a lot of more than 50 KW st= ations. But I guess it will be true when the elephants can fly, hahahahahah= ahaha!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > It's a common problem. The spot rates, for what spots there are, won't=20 > cover the basic expenses for many stations now, even those that are autom= ated=20 > and/or just run bird droppings. Local small businesses simply don't have= the=20 > money to advertise, no matter how cheap the rates are. >=20 > If you ran a Dairy Queen would you replace a failed a soft serve machine= =20 > when you were losing money when it was working? >=20 > This may sound harsh, but the AM band might improve with some attrition. = =20 > Many years ago, station owners equated bandwidth, meaning stations owned = and=20 > air time, with profit, especially with technology driving down programmin= g=20 > costs. They were like the farmers prior to the Great Depression. That i= s,=20 > more crops meant more income. With newly available mechanization, they c= ould=20 > produce more than there was a market to consume which put them on a=20 > downward spiral which eventually crashed and burned. In much the same wa= y, smaller=20 > station owners pushed for increased operating hours and more stations. = =20 > They did to the AM band what farmers did to land and agriculture in the 1= 920s.=20=20 > AM is turning into a Dust Bowl, if it hasn't already. >=20 > In my opinion, we need far fewer AM stations and a return to the allocati= on=20 > scheme of the 1930s. AM's strength is its ability to reach large audienc= es=20 > and cover vast areas. The proliferation of a large number of small=20 > stations undermines that strength. A small AM station that may have effe= ctive=20 > nighttime coverage reaching out only ten or twenty miles renders its oper= ating=20 > frequency unusable for hundreds of miles. That is a poor utilitization o= f a=20 > precious resource. The Clear-Regional-Local allocation scheme made good= =20 > sense. In fact, not only would I return the Class IA allocations, but I = would=20 > consider a dozen or so superpower authorizations of 500kW to 1 MW with=20 > continental frequency protection. >=20 > This would provide a sufficient potential audience to support quality=20 > original programming. Of course, station owners would want to put on the= usual=20 > low cost swill to maximize their profits which they should not be allowed= to=20 > do. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy=20 > steps!=20 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814852x1201410738/aol?redir= =3Dhttp:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 > hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter419NO62) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 10:19:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35850 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2009 17:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2009 17:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.123) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2009 17:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2009 17:19:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2009 17:19:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:19:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <721706.89449.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.154 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: WWRL on uTube X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=MS9pzanMA1MefB-0fDJIWBTENuZRTaI_6E490FjOntWkygizDA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Yes, Sir! When the HQ button is RED, then you are in "Extended" mode. Howev= er, due to "dark reasons", sometimes when the HQ button is grey you are in = "Extended" mode, too. I guess it is because some delay in some "less than p= erfect" Internet connections. Please, note that sometimes it just fixs the video part, not the audio. I prefer to use: &fmt=3D18 as the last suffix of the full YouTube address o= f the video I want to see. You don't need any special filter to upload a good video. You only need to = have a good quality video!!! The YouTube system takes your video and put it on the web in low and high q= uality modes. The only limit is the infamous 10 minutes max time length. Whatever, the HQ button is intended to a DVD quality video and sound (720x4= 80 px and 1411 kbps audio stream), not real HD (the best YouTube video I've= seen is 1280x720 px, while the real HD should be 1920x1080 px). Of course, you have to have a very fast video card adapter and web connecti= on to see it without any noticeable artifacts. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > >=20 > Questions: So if the red HQ is 'illuminated' then it IS in HQ? >=20 > What do you have to do to be able to upload in HQ? WMV file with special= settings or anything? >=20 > John > From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Apr 21 16:05:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91691 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2009 23:05:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2009 23:05:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2009 23:05:42 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-249ee50f51a4; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:04:21 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d47.4103817d (39955) for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:04:15 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=NPrPr5Lus_76Tsi4x9xIWzlhMa1rwh-Y716aJUkKJMkFDwzrOB3h4QzuDD0MngB8 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately, the U.S. Government doesn't own the electric utility grid. Well, actually they do in the Tennesse Valley, but that is another story entirely. You hit the nail on the head. A good number of station's do not have enough spot revenue to even pay the electric bill, let alone all the other expenses. As someone already mentioned, stations running 20 or 30 watts at night have such small coverage it isn't worthwhile. Because those few watts render their operating frequency unusuable for hundreds of miles, it is a poor utilization of the public airwaves. It would be better to allow a distance 50kW station to cover the area. The problem is people outside of the small coverage area, which may not even extend to the city limits of a small town, get nothing. The local 20 watt signal can't reach them with an intelligible signal while that same signal wipes out any distant coverage. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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Don From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 09:08:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68903 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2009 16:05:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2009 16:05:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n63d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.88) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2009 16:05:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n63.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2009 16:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2009 16:04:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:45:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <721706.89449.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 98.136.45.88 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: WWRL on uTube X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=vfRmJoj9K5DmpytB27DyL5XzYBvZUKNv-oh8jaSryhhhO8yLZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > Questions: So if the red HQ is 'illuminated' then it IS in HQ? >=20 > What do you have to do to be able to upload in HQ? WMV file with special= settings or anything? >=20 > John If you are using Windows Movie Maker, encode the video with the "High Quali= ty (Large)" setting. This will always produce a HQ video on YouTube. Generally any source video above 320x240 resolution (480x360, 640x480, etc.= , or 480x270, 640x360, etc. for widescreen) will appear as HQ. From w6yn@juno.com Wed Apr 22 09:26:26 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98338 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2009 16:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2009 16:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2009 16:26:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1240416289; bh=sfprkUt6ZEeMPiJi3iyHnJwCKcyu7tCWtdxgHfUyBl8=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-UNTD-OriginStamp:X-Received:X-Received:Mime-Version:Date:To:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Content-Type:X-ContentStamp:X-UNTD-Peer-Info:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=lAGBkzegxI/SSZC+p7pwf6wOIsvNUywAQm62VZ7y9KEgs9BPcSXP8XGJcNg6jHPU3MigfAE5jYoRMHZKuKEmfUN5dUjMXjF+NvMxcC3vEM+Ru6GT+TRuOCM/yLariPnB Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2009 16:04:49 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2009 16:04:47 -0000 X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53791 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2009 13:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2009 13:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2009 13:55:20 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail09.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.149]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE88JPCAY4B5DJ for (sender ); Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:54:42 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxU7Gsamzo/VFaB4Xi+IAkI= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PERQQMVA; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:53:53 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.146] by webmail09.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:53:05 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:53:05 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090422.065305.27381.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:1582388538 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.149|webmail09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: NAB show attracts from afar X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=_HNCPpp2prWshIV5hxT4BvXVJwNvdNgDCALs1w0tfw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Apr 2009 15:41:41 -0000 There is a lot of international interest being shown in the exhibit halls a= nd the informal gatherings here in Las Vegas =96 Attendees from Europe, fro= m Asia and other places outside the U.S. where they=92re interested in radi= o. There are 23,232 international attendees in the first set of the NAB num= bers provided so far. The NAB will update these after thing are cleaned up = here. Don From w6yn@juno.com Wed Apr 22 09:36:14 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 62056 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2009 16:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2009 16:36:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n65d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (98.136.45.90) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2009 16:36:11 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1240418142; bh=jymJro9dSF8aqMRh+sArB/RcEzlCZ0v6qTaVSH2u79A=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-UNTD-OriginStamp:X-Received:X-Received:Mime-Version:Date:To:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Content-Type:X-ContentStamp:X-MAIL-INFO:X-UNTD-Peer-Info:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Sender:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=ZidjLI1peicF2nhfR2mw7umJWanhiToFwjEM+quf0SdgDto/9J4Pi6QC5bD098ZUA1DxZzKvVziKmalG/V2PeYZoF5s6OlczgcuCkB/GxEkpsB9bJf7B6xVR9gd+k6SC Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n65.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2009 16:35:42 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2009 16:35:42 -0000 X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4510 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2009 16:26:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2009 16:26:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2009 16:26:25 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail11.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.151]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE8YWFDAZ4SLTS for (sender ); Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:26:11 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5d9TvOV5KjcA5IlyLGC6Nk= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail11.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PEH98YBK; Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:25:58 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.212.115] by webmail11.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:25:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:25:13 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090419.092513.23780.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 11:5:3878795822 X-MAIL-INFO:4b74745539b504392504b5c180492dd41ded6dedd97d241ddd89bd35452109ed1555b53884ed3825047d0455793871d9a19dd53904b9a164105151f161c92d61b12dc965b4804de964e091e0a4f03d64e1e454cdc0a040e049f1c9f945e0f9b12df02df1d0f9fda43524dd7104800414f5d914f5b980f5812435211d55d534d4c41915a5891139cd15341979ad0139019da13d6d353934a109811481014da13d29644475f53d814d20e0457081cde0e19059a08d708d40adf1b0650d6020e4a92d24f12449fda965b4543174d0d1b49465652dc445c49494e9399440307ddd38193439342921b585 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.151|webmail11.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=xNymPD1AlrTui2WOD6LeUTffWcXYNO0keqsGwimEiQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Apr 2009 15:41:31 -0000 Dick W wrote: ...Radio will ultimately wind up as three=20 or four giant nationwide networks... How about calling the networks the Red, Blue, Mutual and Columbia? Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Dick W" To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:26:28 -0400 Mike is entirely correct. There are too many stations/program sources, wit= h the result that any one of them is faced with high expenses and low liste= nership. A truly losing combination. Through digital radio, the industry = foolishly supported and promoted the addition of even more channels, furthe= r diluting the audience base. Politically, there is no way that we can go back to something similar to th= e former allocations, but I agree with Mike that such a move would restore = profitability to the industry. In the large metropolitan areas, the prolif= eration of nightime AM channels is sort of a joke anyway, since most of the= m are such low power and skewed broadcast patterns that they're not receiva= ble in the suburbs, where most of their target audience probably lives. I would also agree with Mike's suggestion of a dozen or so superpower autho= rizations, but as I said earlier, politically it just ain't gonna happen. = The industry (digitally) foolishly supports more local channels, not less. = Radio will ultimately wind up as three or four giant nationwide networks, = with no local references (other than station breaks). The lower-powered ur= ban stations with poor coverage patterns will wind up going dark, because t= hey won't have a place in this scenario. Dick W. Mike said: This may sound harsh, but the AM band might improve with some attrition.=20 Many years ago, station owners equated bandwidth, meaning stations owned an= d=20 air time, with profit, especially with technology driving down programming= =20 costs.=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Apr 22 09:36:18 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67847 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2009 16:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2009 16:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.191) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2009 16:36:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1240418143; bh=Jo+0gAOH6y+IEcBb1S5Mu3KeLUQEbJTYbxV4p1A0x7Y=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Message-Id:To:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=GdNsqbX+PO0W3TjdgNqowdiuOu2QiEUIZ3QoRKzK36b/6z/JmN8P3ZSUtvL2x5PVdbegE0MAMBGH3EfqcN3dc4FGTV1MvM+zzQ5CUNM/sj2O+qaYXfdznsC3AEDT/b3i Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2009 16:35:43 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2009 16:35:43 -0000 X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62787 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2009 11:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2009 11:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2009 11:51:21 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so1258069yxn.46 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:51:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.68.12 with SMTP id q12mr3401130aga.50.1239537079568; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:51:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from dialup-4.154.37.198.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.37.198.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm8221176yxd.6.2009.04.12.04.51.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <086B9FD9-4F98-4270-A270-F0A679E29302@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:51:09 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:4:8:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Was not imprest X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=mZdvJucvkZZ291VkpG9j_BV46UI5RiDMcw6E5dgt_EXN0i-PDo1K2EFthAV8OA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 22 Apr 2009 15:41:52 -0000 On Apr 11, 2009, at 11:08 PM, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > I have the RS loop ANT. I am not that techno savy. Dam i like that > stuff to. I don't do math .And you got to know that crap to do > electonics!!!! This is a Loop I built for a friend of mine, and it works MUCH better than the Rat Shack model for AM. The Math has already been done for you! It will make that Sony CRANK! http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/8585/loop.html 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 12:47:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45593 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2009 19:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2009 19:47:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.234) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2009 19:47:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2009 19:47:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2009 19:47:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:47:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Announce: yes X-Originating-IP: 209.131.38.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Important notice about The AM Stereo Web Site X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=--GAGeokY_WOG7GagdJAMTrext3JWSpwzDJNtaSdc5Khl0JI8g X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Attention all: I just got notice that CompuServe will be shutting down its internet servic= e as of June 30th, 2009. This includes their "Ourworld" home page hosting = service for members. As you may know, my AM Stereo web site has been on my= CompuServe Ourworld site since 1997. Needless to say I will soon be transferring it over to another location. T= he web site will not be shut down, and the http://AMStereo.s5.com shortcut = URL will be redirected to the new location as soon as I get it operational.= But please update any bookmarks or links you may have which reference the= Ourworld address, http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kevtronics That URL will no longer work after June 30th. I will announce the web site's new location when it is up and running, so t= hat you may bookmark and link it. The http://AMStereo.s5.com URL is just a= shortcut; you may bookmark and link it if you like, but it normally does n= ot stay on the screen long enough for you to add it as a bookmark or "favor= ite" in the usual way. My very old 76362.2023@compuserve.com e-mail address will also be discontin= ued as of June 30th, 2009. But you should not be using it anymore anyway; = please use my kevtronics@yahoo.com address instead. Thanks for your attention to this, and be rest assured the AM Stereo Web Si= te will continue operation the same as ever at its new location soon! Kevin Tekel Founder of The AM Stereo Web Site and The AM Stereo Forum From dwtpa97@verizon.net Wed Apr 22 12:50:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39178 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2009 19:50:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2009 19:50:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.1) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2009 19:50:28 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KII008XMPRJM720@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:50:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <56D3A9FB091A4051B0CB85DAE05D6E18@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <20090419.092513.23780.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:50:09 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=GuaQbb4YTl-L2jJI4rNOGxfrQ58Ec8xgRz6Z_P05zPvn_A X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That sounds great! I think William Paley and Robert Sarnoff would agree! Dick W. Don wrote: (Dick W wrote): ...Radio will ultimately wind up as three or four giant nationwide networks... How about calling the networks the Red, Blue, Mutual and Columbia? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark Dick W wrote: ...Radio will ultimately wind up as three or four giant nationwide networks... How about calling the networks the Red, Blue, Mutual and Columbia? Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Dick W" To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:26:28 -0400 Mike is entirely correct. There are too many stations/program sources, with the result that any one of them is faced with high expenses and low listenership. A truly losing combination. Through digital radio, the industry foolishly supported and promoted the addition of even more channels, further diluting the audience base. Politically, there is no way that we can go back to something similar to the former allocations, but I agree with Mike that such a move would restore profitability to the industry. In the large metropolitan areas, the proliferation of nightime AM channels is sort of a joke anyway, since most of them are such low power and skewed broadcast patterns that they're not receivable in the suburbs, where most of their target audience probably lives. I would also agree with Mike's suggestion of a dozen or so superpower authorizations, but as I said earlier, politically it just ain't gonna happen. The industry (digitally) foolishly supports more local channels, not less. Radio will ultimately wind up as three or four giant nationwide networks, with no local references (other than station breaks). The lower-powered urban stations with poor coverage patterns will wind up going dark, because they won't have a place in this scenario. Dick W. Mike said: This may sound harsh, but the AM band might improve with some attrition. Many years ago, station owners equated bandwidth, meaning stations owned and air time, with profit, especially with technology driving down programming costs. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 22 13:30:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86266 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2009 20:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2009 20:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2009 20:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2009 20:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.71] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2009 20:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2009 20:29:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 258218.5159.bm@omp423.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 60362 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2009 20:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO v3f1e2) (jimsmith95650@75.30.69.135 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2009 20:29:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: C2FjyXUVM1lmRz.iJRCc5Nz8qA2qhhIkcOa_3Ic3mMuLACaKezDzqeFzJJnvUm2eTKn9BUZt9oRwkSyUecPV9823OkTmgTEgvGUFcjuELpe6pECtcYfnUwioeWF0mdQ5Ykt.gwiUO..HRhywYDJQ6CLMg.RP5ZxIr6D6gnIp3qtYZT4HIDwQxMS_ADv0_.xIbyxC9wHEYuUcPSv3RA404bnliGyCqeIluXlZtbVEHogGazpQJCxgiNWUSEOj0RDuoLW9OlXVwra_s6riIQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001a01c9c389$4849c5e0$e1aafea9@v3f1e2> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:31:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Welcome back Kevin T X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=eXF93Zzki6MNu02b3qfRhgaQG6KgjjVNfPbl9ZT6Xi3UmODqdr4AnJjlAX_JQccqILDYt-qw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Welcome back Kevin T . I am glad to see you back posting again. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Apr 22 13:33:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97352 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2009 20:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2009 20:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s12.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.215) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2009 20:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W43 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s12.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:33:07 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:33:06 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001a01c9c389$4849c5e0$e1aafea9@v3f1e2> References: <001a01c9c389$4849c5e0$e1aafea9@v3f1e2> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2009 20:33:07.0097 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B409090:01C9C389] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Welcome back Kevin T X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=YttXS1ydAlRrul0k-XTUy1fNnJotr3KFmeRFUTkz0L--NRQ6nlIO X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Same here.. Welcome back Kevin. Now, if we could just find out what happened to Amy Mousie. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com CC: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:31:13 -0700 Subject: {AMSF} Welcome back Kevin T Hi Gang Welcome back Kevin T . I am glad to see you back posting again. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Apr 22 15:23:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98117 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2009 22:23:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2009 22:23:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2009 22:23:33 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE89GD3A2GZTDJ for (sender ); Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:21:45 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2DPNoi6AVCNeyzt7qX9oO0= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PESMRWPT; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:21:23 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.146] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:20:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:20:24 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090422.152024.10339.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:2963091986 X-MAIL-INFO:32252d89b594d0d109bde92dc5a4c4d441c4c4e9c5d041903d31d494fd10057d055551fd900159adb5f0659059c080bdd904f00431297571 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=51JIv9hM2DxyYICh3XWHpXX-EEg3oSzlwpHfmNhkDA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn So would David Sarnoff! ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Dick W" To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:50:09 -0400 That sounds great! I think William Paley and Robert Sarnoff would agree! Dick W. Don wrote: (Dick W wrote): ...Radio will ultimately wind up as three=20 or four giant nationwide networks... How about calling the networks the Red, Blue, Mutual and Columbia? Don ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark Dick W wrote: ...Radio will ultimately wind up as three=20 or four giant nationwide networks... How about calling the networks the Red, Blue, Mutual and Columbia? Don =20 From dwtpa97@verizon.net Wed Apr 22 19:18:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73242 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2009 02:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2009 02:18:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173009pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.9) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2009 02:18:11 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KIJ005WP7PSI9VZ@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:17:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <11D452CEFC9D4685B5FD7F388120D8A2@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <20090422.152024.10339.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:17:54 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=DfHv5oif5R2XJbPJc0nRC0eTVod9sOM4ENb18eT6quWonQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right - I'm embarassed! Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark So would David Sarnoff! ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Dick W" To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:50:09 -0400 That sounds great! I think William Paley and Robert Sarnoff would agree! Dick W. Don wrote: (Dick W wrote): ...Radio will ultimately wind up as three or four giant nationwide networks... How about calling the networks the Red, Blue, Mutual and Columbia? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark Dick W wrote: ...Radio will ultimately wind up as three or four giant nationwide networks... How about calling the networks the Red, Blue, Mutual and Columbia? Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Apr 22 19:31:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44367 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2009 02:31:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2009 02:31:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2009 02:31:52 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE89W2LAXEG5MS for (sender ); Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:31:38 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD+unc7GhUUgG39XfLJNjVkc= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PES33MLA; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:31:22 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.146] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:31:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 02:31:16 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090422.193116.16988.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 18:9:2291998588 X-MAIL-INFO:5d3fcf3b5a07775a9f07cf7eafaee702230e030e132efe234e1fd36f4b3eda0e833bcf9b630e9b33bb2ebb3b779b07135e7edf5abbf75eb7caee57a327b3d7271bb357fe47afdbc3b74f5b4f7b0b3ab76b8b2fcbc7178f4faea3570f4b4f0f7ae70be7a3d70fb37b6ffe4e07bbafbbbe9713be97f7af97defe6f3e233bdf370243ba83fa1f875acb8337ba77932a5a2a7e5e3a036f5a375edadebede2adb5e3a4ab79ace973adedb6a4f4b5fdecb4f6b731e178e5f8e8f93a39e1b1aaa6a8b6ee7fea3feaeb36e1b472f7fefd7bf47671b1be7434b436767c35a678ffb2e4e9bba375a374a3ecf3f X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=nuyu1IyrAg8DH4T8wJMouFjwvhVKqEC9x2mW569xrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Don't feel bad. You would be surprised how many in the business will not re= cognize the Red, Blue, Mutual and Columbia names as the earliest national r= adio networks. You did great! Don =20 ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Dick W" To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:17:54 -0400 You're right - I'm embarassed! Dick W. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark So would David Sarnoff! ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Dick W" To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:50:09 -0400 That sounds great! I think William Paley and Robert Sarnoff would agree! Dick W. Don wrote: (Dick W wrote): ...Radio will ultimately wind up as three=20 or four giant nationwide networks... How about calling the networks the Red, Blue, Mutual and Columbia? Don ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 12:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark Dick W wrote: ...Radio will ultimately wind up as three=20 or four giant nationwide networks... How about calling the networks the Red, Blue, Mutual and Columbia? Don =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From dwtpa97@verizon.net Wed Apr 22 19:43:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12420 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2009 02:43:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2009 02:43:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2009 02:43:35 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KIJ003GJ8WKB1AF@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:43:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: <20090422.193116.16988.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:43:34 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=Xpgo4GVza_Bh4Sjsx7P0LyIHjdHa02_XYHdD50xPFlkpHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's been a lot of water over the dam since then! Dick W. Don said: Don't feel bad. You would be surprised how many in the business will not recognize the Red, Blue, Mutual and Columbia names as the earliest national radio networks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Apr 23 01:50:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70748 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2009 08:50:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2009 08:50:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2009 08:50:10 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-d04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-349f02b9f255; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:49:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c9a.25c545f0 (39330) for ; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 04:49:30 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.137 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=k4JIbguFAwHLDg4piwkqmh0VdH6r3rYtdwkaUS0GUhj3AUHMUb7aPQjNNr7z3tXo X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Think of how much money was put into the front end of those networks compared to today. Mike ************** Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219799634x1201361008/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.d oubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214133440%3B36002254%3Bj) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Apr 23 04:20:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98465 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2009 11:20:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2009 11:20:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173019pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.19) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2009 11:20:18 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KIJ00D2CWT4SD15@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:19:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 07:19:56 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.19 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=cIQhfdMzNfntA5Hc7sQf6JvNJYo0Ala-hTIT3xJVjiDZGg X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah - big difference. But it just shows that there are too many program sources today. The audience is too split up. Dick W. Mike said: Think of how much money was put into the front end of those networks compared to today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Apr 23 08:42:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75472 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2009 15:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2009 15:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2009 15:41:56 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail05.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.145]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE9BDBYA2XK4AA for (sender ); Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:41:42 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD82pROAjCts7JiOS6jimsRg= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail05.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PEUG86PF; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:40:49 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.146] by webmail05.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:40:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:40:08 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090423.084008.15343.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1821494113 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.145|webmail05.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: AM Lives! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=yDLYNrlmIVdmpxewAdKwX3KfnvOaj_g2av0jHCT0Kg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Chicago radio - the top two finishers for March are AM. CBS all-new WBBM took top honors and Citadel talker WLS is second. AM Lives!=20 Don From w6yn@juno.com Thu Apr 23 08:53:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12965 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2009 15:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2009 15:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2009 15:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail05.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.145]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE9BDYZAKA3HZJ for (sender ); Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:52:55 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9G4yIAhdTeq5frW8HTBdWM= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail05.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PEUHWHHL; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:52:28 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.146] by webmail05.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:51:22 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:51:22 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090423.085122.15343.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:3839012729 X-MAIL-INFO:4b810de499251d2dbdb11d31992575359430e1ad51fdf4214135415445f43019117d0004403011855d7974140414ad15c19d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.145|webmail05.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Lives! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=y0Oa8bfKvWbMc23zs5JdcFoaBhYDXg4rVn_keB_Qlw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn That should read: "..all-news WBBM.." sorry! ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "W6YN Don Milbury" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} AM Lives! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:40:08 GMT Chicago radio - the top two finishers for March are AM. CBS all-new WBBM took top honors and Citadel talker WLS is second. AM Lives!=20 Don From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 23 11:06:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64404 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2009 18:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2009 18:06:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2009 18:06:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88510 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2009 18:06:41 -0000 Message-ID: <174437.86762.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1SHAiWoVM1lOQ8zfiaoyI5FDmdv5ooz_2Ky1pD.BSsIR9x69Nok6fGvf4JIjPcXJXiCLEOZPG9vRz9maqAnS8iXM62aCeUkwUxZbFGQYyJhj0uNrlv7cumHUABvzdKYTF8wBow43eNVLL7zNnwo2DjaPKV.q1OYQy3uPaTl_hnOQCvVGGe3PKFGzbZ6vz7UVnxYlHM944yZvtSZ6dBbxJnJ.sNhLIZza7pidB5RvEyPrmwFWzFzedZg.f7PbaJ6_0KdL6_r26IdnHG0.za.u.iG9B3yYfTp0.w-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:06:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:06:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Antenna Loop Photo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=sZLdIWD147DG9w5FTllSsB0iPCLZoI2mkvqJrJ8EKhO-HJ9tuLFEFKc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Anybody have a better photo of this homebrew antenna? Hard to tell about the coil windings between the description and the poor resolution photo. Thanks, John From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Apr 23 12:46:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34109 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2009 19:46:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2009 19:46:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n14c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.117) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2009 19:46:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n14.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2009 19:31:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2009 19:19:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:07:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <174437.86762.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.117 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Johnny Electron" Subject: Re: AM Antenna Loop Photo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=MvkL2zNIvnfQ440I6EBgSKL4kVtucuUSM92BQyOpZPESQ-lD1AkSNxg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio This was the antenna I was referring to: This is a Loop I built for a friend of mine, and it works MUCH better=20 than the Rat Shack model for AM. The Math has already been done for=20 you! It will make that Sony CRANK! http://www.geocitie s.com/SunsetStri p/Underground/ 8585/loop. html From r.lebreton36@gmail.com Thu Apr 23 18:51:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: r.lebreton36@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22624 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 01:51:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 01:51:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.108) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 01:51:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n11.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2009 01:50:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2009 01:07:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 01:07:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 76.10.147.204 From: "r_lebreton36" Subject: Sony SRF-AX15 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=334013609; y=gsfP6IyKuCkIIh95wbYa0BfyxmnrYv39_EUc7-bXSe50UQBQd9B1 X-Yahoo-Profile: r_lebreton36 This radio can easily be modified from the Japanese band plan (i.e. 530= kHz - 1610 kHz) to the North American (ceiling: 1710 kHz) by tweaking with= the screws on the variable capacitor inside the radio. Yes, that implies = cracking the unit open. From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 24 04:52:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10145 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 11:52:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 11:52:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.144) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 11:52:01 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2009 11:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.249] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2009 11:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2009 11:50:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 899597.55980.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 52981 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 11:50:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO v3f1e2) (jimsmith95650@75.24.203.163 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 11:50:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DJyzGgcVM1kdoJ9YyZuQW7mcykAPO0FxQh3AM15HeZXf.fj3iryH3d.CGOKkepqIPAdIc7Rthg45F8o2y.q9g6qcnyhB50I_YIo4aLutX68RBcly8geujqnRfyTLH1yK8vqg0B80NvhV7yPXlkpWEk2hC1SKSTa0ZBkyfex80QvmMQUBz0J7fv8Tcuk6x0iNLojiNq4ZG2BmtjJ_xmPdwMLLjRuxRASQZYCIJaUfpnTYOVMa6aUJsiJi1htc9_0wMVgyTRg0w.l9.A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000c01c9c4d3$21a86f40$e1aafea9@v3f1e2> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 04:52:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: KFI 640 AM HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Mxzv8Q9xgHxDoEf4rjB307OQbejY_-7Kh0I6Ngy5VZQPCkq5wdCbbd8yQYNgsZB-zF9sdsJU X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I have noticed that KFI 640 AM has there HD back on again. Thay must have got there new towers up. I use love there music format back in the late 80's and early 90's in C-QuAM AM STEREO sky wave!!!!!!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Apr 24 06:05:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24834 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 13:05:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 13:05:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f221.google.com) (209.85.217.221) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 13:05:39 -0000 X-Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so2274339gxk.14 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:05:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.151.128.7 with SMTP id f7mr2486228ybn.116.1240578316617; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:05:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80904210737l67f3a2c0w65ce52f1a099c693@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bce0fe80904210737l67f3a2c0w65ce52f1a099c693@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:05:16 -0600 Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904240605y5005c5f6v8606a4d6fe2b7f8b@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: Listening to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=TsFPJiu_4s8qmTJvCwgO5b-PpD6TNuTD_nG4Ad9NmD15--6z3ThSrrwD X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Jay, The station I'm referring to....."Serving The Dakotas, Eastern Montana, Southern Saskatchewan and Manitoba 24 hours a day with REAL Country, we're The BIG ONE, News Radio 660 KEYS Country, KEYZ Williston-Sidney". I used to work down the hall from KEYZ (pronounced KEYS) on the red headed step child station (96.1 FM) of the AM/FM/FM group. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > For what it's worth, I get a somewhat listenable fringe signal from a > 5000 Watt low dial position AM Stereo station that programs...music! > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 24 09:33:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43621 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 16:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 16:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp116.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.89) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 16:33:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15978 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 16:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO v3f1e2) (jimsmith95650@75.24.203.163 with login) by smtp116.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 16:33:14 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Q.rtJIwVM1m3g68f5WQZSiRP9F53mB4OaRZOrUXNYevk392Ga6bFcV8KLsUxT4eSo_0mmV1q0r3FtoqJuodl52QzUt9Iz0SwQg5FCO_E_W2FGBWDYTp3qyaGYm.p6xZEkG.xjVz8nZk8x.G_MLR1JTKAGZQHE7xI5KDkNmYjgXau_RCFJ512PfH68D_sSUNm00z1KJyEToAY5Z1ubhF4Auf2PvGcvJK1VymqPbS.Uz3xhoUiTmtuyvoyoVgkmK4LsXiKXnpURVgRLLuspEMpp.PGcqPOajU2vWLxVk78TbToBA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000901c9c4fa$985a69a0$e1aafea9@v3f1e2> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:34:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.89 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Fw: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=oBxE5PRnY2bJiFFsugPTOCO-PkHydx0p7aEp_fW_o7iqZo84jyV87UOdRb35xiq_HnsFGtKr X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I had just sent this rant out to the cusumer complaint department at www.fcc.gov . This IBOC gimik sucks when a skywave IBOC wipes out a local AM station. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Cc: jim smith Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave Hi Roger P.S I had forgot to say that back in November 23rd 1993 that AM STEREO would have also gone a lot farther if all music stations where mandated to go AM STEREO. Again about this IBOC gimik the old saying go's " If it ante broke do'nt fix it!!!!!!!!! A radio fan !!!!! Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: roger.goldblatt@fcc.gov Cc: jim smith Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave Hi Roger My name is Jim Smith. KFI AM 640 L.A CA has turned back on there IBOC HD RADIO and its sky wave is interfearing with my local AM station KSTE AM 650 in the Sacramento Ca area. I sure wished that back in Novmeber 23 1993 that the FCC had made a mandate that all FM STEREO radios made also have Motorola C-QuAM AM STEREO and not even cocidered IBOC. AM STEREO had never it its worst day had put some much noise as IBOC dose. How is some thing that makes that much noise be legal for the air ways?!?!? My local 50kw KFBK AM 1530 IBOC station takes up 3 stations on both sides of AM 1530. I have herd the over the air IBOC signal from KFBK AM 1530 IBOC and i am telling you that the sound i herd was NOT FM STEREO QUALITY at all !!!!! And speaking of my local FM STEREO stations that have turned on there IBOC all sound fussy and destored. And when listening to a HD RADIO on FM the FM STEREO sounds clear but when it go's to HD mode it sonds the same. WOW !!!!! A screen read out!!!!!! BIG DEAL !!!!!!!!!!!! All i have to do is same thing i have been doing for years and years and years listen to the radio song info traffic info news !!! Only good thing about it is for the deff and they can read whats on the screen but thay can't hear the radio. Thank you for your time. Jim Smith Loomis Ca Neer Sacramento Ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Apr 24 10:34:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7115 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 17:34:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 17:34:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.111) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 17:34:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2009 17:33:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2009 17:23:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:31:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.111 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=unrxUbow0LxXKqR0bwYWbQ3ReUNBx3Os1sLsEwUAn3XxV-iB0g X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics 590 WARM is reportedly back on the air as of yesterday. The format remains= Scott Shannon's "True Oldies Channel" with a local Polka show on weekends. From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Apr 24 10:40:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16569 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 17:40:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 17:40:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s32.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.235) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 17:40:28 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W56 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s32.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:40:07 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:40:07 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2009 17:40:07.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5700140:01C9C503] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.235 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=RIRWhP7ijowJUnn4c7dIm1psBYjVobYjWhTLk1EgLMyvC89qAudp X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where is 590 WARM located? Thanks, MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: kevtronics@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:31:32 +0000 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark 590 WARM is reportedly back on the air as of yesterday. The format remains Scott Shannon's "True Oldies Channel" with a local Polka show on weekends. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Apr 24 10:46:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74261 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 17:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 17:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 17:45:40 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-349f1fa842a3; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:44:36 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c07.5b4a2ac4 (39329) for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:44:50 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KFI 640 AM HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CI34lmlDvbVxPSrM9uXFlE5huXAgrUBtaxdIdfPbxNOvdGYiivXkH4M7aDNIifxZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't know KFI was directional. Last I heard, KFI used a modified Franklin. Mike ************** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=AprilAvgfooter424NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Apr 24 10:53:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17755 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 17:53:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 17:53:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 17:53:22 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-349f1fc6f345; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:52:47 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c0c.5abc860d (39329) for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:53:01 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.139 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=yMuLtd8_ylEirOyBhpWbzeR7FGnFJZj-m8UVHI_agg0uzryYdjreYf-eLZxKLqJb X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KFI packs a walloping signal due to its dial position. I believe the FCC reduced adjacent channel protection, even for the former Class 1A stations. Believe it or not, the FCC granted a nighttime authorization on WLS's first adjacent only 200 miles away beamed directly to St. Louis. Looks like the FEMA guy who got fired over Katrina got reassigned to the FCC. IBOC is bad news for the AM band, both technologically and economically. Mike ************** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=AprilAvgfooter424NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Apr 24 11:28:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6526 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 18:28:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 18:28:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 18:28:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91792 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2009 18:27:52 -0000 Message-ID: <919689.87728.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: p3gyjuAVM1ntmIQeyKOxedEuTWx.OBVmKyEiqGQtYZTN9GozhDkoHq7Bckay8SbrEhtqiU6sRgqLKLj16MxWsMIcL2C2S5ykv1APof43NV4qumL1DezWv.hlNNcpC2f9WFeQhDWbdiqH68_dH68rp8.1rwy71kpRrM7ISbXxS0kJGx89pbuWv_P0Ziv61_dRgdnLE6jkQnVJNvIFcTjpFX.6jW_uuLiJesulxYZfx0XZukjW7Clcku8ysPkK1zmwAyY5URvwEsS0dCmH0fKERc6EgxlN3gsA6I_P3dO3TkIHAoSQUl2jJPn1eOXMxO5fH6o0ke3L.Sgj X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:27:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:27:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KFI 640 AM HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=VDVFXKoc1cc1Xgqea1AZvaH7fFZjhE12v0jENxLr0yo X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0 =A0 KFI is not directional. It's hard to be directional with one tower..... =A0 =A0 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 4/24/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: 09, 1:44 PM I didn't know KFI was directional.=A0 Last I heard, KFI used a modified=20 Franklin. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 24 11:36:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38955 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 18:36:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 18:36:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.184) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 18:36:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64186 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 18:36:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO v3f1e2) (jimsmith95650@75.30.66.224 with login) by smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 18:36:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YgT0c88VM1kjHtjNLgJ6UsjKjhJ3FXU2SjahUOgCT6xUmWcNXOuf3n4.KSokR6kijtAWdYzCqoHnAXnHliM_cRfz0Mh5CmmDQmi.K6A2VSzqhF.Ju1ID3bpXQVaqFFm_8W3f_cMACF3t5z16M7SDvvG8K0RSEtSSroneDTRwP6AhW_f3S4h_DK8P.8bdAYMn57deZ6zSJZTBL6F_HidZ_b4DIQDlscwlFVpGCP_wJVmcira77Ze9pGJixITo9UwkthJ9oKhl9mdSYG2zs9ZoAnn_LUeeRJwjDGGLF2n3RqwwzUDkKlSnTNDRx8UQH4StLjYMwFUXaf2C87Zse8vsCaVuTlLBw9uKXdTSrv6IrkrIr.HMOBVpygUvBJAJDvskYGU.kW4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001501c9c50b$d0595f80$e1aafea9@v3f1e2> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:38:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=6Y0sUT_d-vvf3gECI3-lKw3xCw2k7MjY7WSDGV7kAZuxpRzTOarnlw1hfwHXxWo7QMczydAk X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike Ya 4 on that one!!!! The only time I could not get KFI AM 640 "More boring talk" was when that plane hit the main tower. I do'nt remeber if there where any servivors. I miss there old format in C-QuAM. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:53 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave KFI packs a walloping signal due to its dial position. I believe the FCC reduced adjacent channel protection, even for the former Class 1A stations. Believe it or not, the FCC granted a nighttime authorization on WLS's first adjacent only 200 miles away beamed directly to St. Louis. Looks like the FEMA guy who got fired over Katrina got reassigned to the FCC. IBOC is bad news for the AM band, both technologically and economically. Mike ************** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=AprilAvgfooter424NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Apr 24 11:59:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46433 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 18:59:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 18:59:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 18:59:57 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-d04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-449f20be7312; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:58:47 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d5e.4a17ebaa (39329) for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:58:57 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KFI 640 AM HD X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=IjJZy2TlLGOETZ8Zm0lqIrabz7VgK3-Fr6Bloxu_p0pOF4I_mtKq6CD6pL_wivNe X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's what I thought, but the poster mentioned towers, as in plural. Actually, one of the local stations has a directional pattern with just one tower thanks to the El Dorado Municipal Water Tower. Mike ************** The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=AprilAvgfooter424NO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 24 13:11:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36049 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 20:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 20:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.129) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 20:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2009 19:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2009 19:33:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:21:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.129 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.66.224 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=VG3fkWdFr45TXdC937EXsepdPUettOs7-mXPOeQPDbCR7tYiUiVOl88vyzQDIpTDzAL0d1uv X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > KFI packs a walloping signal due to its dial position. I believe the FCC= =20 > reduced adjacent channel protection, even for the former Class 1A station= s.=20=20 > Believe it or not, the FCC granted a nighttime authorization on WLS's fir= st=20 > adjacent only 200 miles away beamed directly to St. Louis. Looks like th= e=20 > FEMA guy who got fired over Katrina got reassigned to the FCC. >=20 > IBOC is bad news for the AM band, both technologically and economically. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2=20 > Easy=20 > Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?= redir=3Dhttp://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=3D668072&hmp= gID=3D62& > bcd=3DAprilAvgfooter424NO62) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike Ya 4 on that one. I miss there old format in C-QuAM. The only tim= e i could not get them was then there main tower got hit buy that plane. I = do'nt remember if there where any serivers. Jim Smith From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 24 13:14:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7044 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 20:13:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 20:13:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 20:13:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2009 20:12:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2009 20:12:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:12:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.85 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: AM Antenna Loop Photo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=tnEwm2OpOpTQN0R9hFr2eQny6exK7SACfsOitapHSA5Fb1_x4w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 The problem is the address itself. Eliminates all the spaces and it'll work= : http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/8585/loop.html GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Johnny Electron" wrote: > > This was the antenna I was referring to: > This is a Loop I built for a friend of mine, and it works MUCH better=20 > than the Rat Shack model for AM. The Math has already been done for=20 > you! It will make that Sony CRANK! >=20 > http://www.geocitie s.com/SunsetStri p/Underground/ 8585/loop. html > From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Fri Apr 24 14:28:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7588 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 21:28:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 21:28:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.164) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 21:28:48 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W9 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s25.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:27:16 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:27:16 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2009 21:27:16.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[70F63280:01C9C523] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=o8vdq2dizu2C70HSrkob2MWM2Bx0Sr9XDW90nABuRk94bLxLju6w9cTLgKs X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Citadel's WARM 590 is located in Scranton, PA. They're 5,000 watts directional day and night. Donn ----------------- Where is 590 WARM located? Thanks, MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: kevtronics@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:31:32 +0000 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music AM goes dark 590 WARM is reportedly back on the air as of yesterday. The format remains Scott Shannon's "True Oldies Channel" with a local Polka show on weekends. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Apr 24 15:59:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69062 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 22:59:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 22:59:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 22:59:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18024 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2009 22:58:47 -0000 Message-ID: <16754.13180.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pCeAKXYVM1n36UquhcIyIts._LocRDRWbcYwb4nspLuRHMnIt2QNzYtYbLqxweIefTk58yIrjb7reo.9CRDaQsfu3Ql2OnQjl5wXaC15tAAF2zKyuy4d08JvhoO23XR4yX9_AdavuvJcqpZd5jdBM9nusV0JqnV4Ieu9PJFyxMU9d3L2n07Sv9fqyv2tOEqo7n4qN.WKOFYTGdHsOK3PJkgeTI1xL6kxGtc_pRniPRA.e9ZdovMyLNM_oLE87VpS0DNlv3iLDCBSjgGReA6npjscZSyPwm3WvlqhI.iL1Vv76jAo X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:58:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:58:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=gNccxi7FVh3HkF4DRrC5W5F2IkqX4sib4Zfn4dEuNmOoAg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Once before I die, I want to place an IBOC exciter on the ground, drop a hilo fork on it while said hilo is holding a couple tons of steel, and THEN cover what's left of it with C-4 and watch it go "BOOM!"! Won't solve the overall problem, but man would it make me feel better! I don't know which is the bigger scam...IBOC or ATSC, either one is sure to cost us, the consumer, in the long run. AM...best in the long run, for sounds and sights! G --- On Fri, 4/24/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net > Subject: {AMSF} Fw: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave > To: "am stereo forum" > Cc: "jim smith" > Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 12:34 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Gang I had just sent this rant out to the > cusumer complaint department at www.fcc.gov . This IBOC > gimik sucks when a skywave IBOC wipes out a local AM > station. Jim Smith > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jimsmith95650@ > sbcglobal. net > > To: jimsmith95650@ > sbcglobal. net > > Cc: jim smith > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:22 AM > > Subject: Re: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave > > > > Hi Roger P.S I had forgot to say that back in November > 23rd 1993 that AM STEREO would have also gone a lot farther > if all music stations where mandated to go AM STEREO. Again > about this IBOC gimik the old saying go's " If it > ante broke do'nt fix it!!!!!!!!! A radio fan !!!!! Jim > Smith > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jimsmith95650@ > sbcglobal. net > > To: roger.goldblatt@ > fcc.gov > > Cc: jim smith > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:47 AM > > Subject: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave > > > > Hi Roger My name is Jim Smith. KFI AM 640 L.A CA has > turned back on there IBOC HD RADIO and its sky wave is > interfearing with my local AM station KSTE AM 650 in the > Sacramento Ca area. I sure wished that back in Novmeber 23 > 1993 that the FCC had made a mandate that all FM STEREO > radios made also have Motorola C-QuAM AM STEREO and not even > cocidered IBOC. AM STEREO had never it its worst day had put > some much noise as IBOC dose. How is some thing that makes > that much noise be legal for the air ways?!?!? My local 50kw > KFBK AM 1530 IBOC station takes up 3 stations on both sides > of AM 1530. I have herd the over the air IBOC signal from > KFBK AM 1530 IBOC and i am telling you that the sound i herd > was NOT FM STEREO QUALITY at all !!!!! And speaking of my > local FM STEREO stations that have turned on there IBOC all > sound fussy and destored. And when listening to a HD RADIO > on FM the FM STEREO sounds clear but when it go's to HD > mode it sonds the same. WOW !!!!! A screen read out!!!!!! > BIG DEAL !!!!!!!!!!!! All i have to do is same thing i have > been doing for years and years and years listen to the radio > song info traffic info news !!! Only good thing about it is > for the deff and they can read whats on the screen but thay > can't hear the radio. Thank you for your time. Jim Smith > Loomis Ca Neer Sacramento Ca > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 24 16:55:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27323 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2009 23:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2009 23:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2009 23:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2009 23:54:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2009 23:54:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:54:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16754.13180.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.57.248.44 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: Fw: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=uPoFtEye5E-hmIjSgLmfXsUMgX0IN0Gwma7LhauUMaxhQ_6xsWp8WNIgYwcZz4LHHXGIM3ot X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > >=20 > Once before I die, I want to place an IBOC exciter on the ground, drop a = hilo fork on it while said hilo is holding a couple tons of steel, and THEN= cover what's left of it with C-4 and watch it go "BOOM!"! > Won't solve the overall problem, but man would it make me feel better! >=20 > I don't know which is the bigger scam...IBOC or ATSC, either one is sure = to cost us, the consumer, in the long run. >=20 > AM...best in the long run, for sounds and sights! >=20 > G >=20=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, jimsmith95650@... wrote: >=20 > > From: jimsmith95650@... > > Subject: {AMSF} Fw: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave > > To: "am stereo forum" > > Cc: "jim smith" > > Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 12:34 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > Hi Gang I had just sent this rant out to the > > cusumer complaint department at www.fcc.gov . This IBOC > > gimik sucks when a skywave IBOC wipes out a local AM > > station. Jim Smith > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > >=20 > > From: jimsmith95650@ > > sbcglobal. net=20 > >=20 > > To: jimsmith95650@ > > sbcglobal. net=20 > >=20 > > Cc: jim smith=20 > >=20 > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:22 AM > >=20 > > Subject: Re: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Hi Roger P.S I had forgot to say that back in November > > 23rd 1993 that AM STEREO would have also gone a lot farther > > if all music stations where mandated to go AM STEREO. Again > > about this IBOC gimik the old saying go's " If it > > ante broke do'nt fix it!!!!!!!!! A radio fan !!!!! Jim > > Smith > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > >=20 > > From: jimsmith95650@ > > sbcglobal. net=20 > >=20 > > To: roger.goldblatt@ > > fcc.gov=20 > >=20 > > Cc: jim smith=20 > >=20 > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:47 AM > >=20 > > Subject: AM IBOC knocking out local via sky wave > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Hi Roger My name is Jim Smith. KFI AM 640 L.A CA has > > turned back on there IBOC HD RADIO and its sky wave is > > interfearing with my local AM station KSTE AM 650 in the > > Sacramento Ca area. I sure wished that back in Novmeber 23 > > 1993 that the FCC had made a mandate that all FM STEREO=20 > > radios made also have Motorola C-QuAM AM STEREO and not even > > cocidered IBOC. AM STEREO had never it its worst day had put > > some much noise as IBOC dose. How is some thing that makes > > that much noise be legal for the air ways?!?!? My local 50kw > > KFBK AM 1530 IBOC station takes up 3 stations on both sides > > of AM 1530. I have herd the over the air IBOC signal from > > KFBK AM 1530 IBOC and i am telling you that the sound i herd > > was NOT FM STEREO QUALITY at all !!!!! And speaking of my > > local FM STEREO stations that have turned on there IBOC all > > sound fussy and destored. And when listening to a HD RADIO > > on FM the FM STEREO sounds clear but when it go's to HD > > mode it sonds the same. WOW !!!!! A screen read out!!!!!! > > BIG DEAL !!!!!!!!!!!! All i have to do is same thing i have > > been doing for years and years and years listen to the radio > > song info traffic info news !!! Only good thing about it is > > for the deff and they can read whats on the screen but thay > > can't hear the radio. Thank you for your time. Jim Smith > > Loomis Ca Neer Sacramento Ca Hi Geogre and Gang At first I was kind of interested in one of the Sangean= s because it mite pick KJUG AM STEREO 1270 better than what I have now and = some of the FM HD sub's but I guess I can wait till they come down a bit to= earth. Thats the big deal with this iCRAP the display and the FM sub's. BI= G DEAL like I said before. I did not want to wright any cuss words because = that would get me no where fast. Ferm but pullite. I know I can't spell but= never the less I am still a consumer. Jim Smith To tire to wright. =20 =20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=09 =20=09=20 =09 =20=09 =20 =20 =20=09 =20 =20 =20 =20 =09 =09 =20 =20 =20=09 =09 =20=09 =20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Apr 25 12:37:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60346 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2009 19:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2009 19:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2009 19:37:41 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.239] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090425143654101181600013.0) with SMTP id <20090425143654101181600013> for ; Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:36:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018601c9c5de$5cd5d920$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <174437.86762.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:36:54 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Antenna Loop Photo? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=dIYRWnmVV1tfdHB0BO9OZlezaEhQOvgEM89wtB9E3c75ids02aes X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep- nothing about the size of the wire (though likely you could use anything from 18-26 gauge OK) and the spacing of the turns. That can make a big difference. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: {AMSF} AM Antenna Loop Photo? Anybody have a better photo of this homebrew antenna? Hard to tell about the coil windings between the description and the poor resolution photo. Thanks, John --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 07:21:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34919 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2009 14:21:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2009 14:21:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2009 14:21:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 55342 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2009 14:20:54 -0000 Message-ID: <495681.54451.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dqaWwBkVM1nKgk.37vB3AscAv3FQBLP6c57bYj17C54pW6bVjJ1vgOld8tgheeURXQODNbaH0x9iZHpsckZv3sDbPs8fjtbPRSHdu.AjykdPUiuRQzkb6FEUmMlcpHZCt6_Orm16Mh7kah8R7R1FKSVIkRYPTg3O3KGcxwWFz348HBoAwZmBGH1JND4kfPcoR6IgRIrkz8opRIYuhaxEb8NwxkN8x7pbQPinZ8YuTxT_21crQlf8jPuChKwZNqcoqZAeqMyh7O1Gf7QTEyf3IWGysUdoO8dcC3RUj3fcY6FUYoqs_lTgYaGNxunHi8fHYFEuZhR63hXACQsU7a0SkoC3HKwnEVjBVPFPFZssJmqfWzmhfdJR1r2dwSIQnRygNOBw6keqAFMygA-- X-Received: from [75.144.174.185] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:20:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:20:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80904240605y5005c5f6v8606a4d6fe2b7f8b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Listening to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=GAR4KS2qyGJdrg3LnTCOwpIIsleJqLCTjZFwnsAFmhWyMDvHTqQZ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Funny that the F.M. would be the red-headed stepchild! Jay --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. Subject: {AMSF} Re: Listening to AM Stereo To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 9:05 AM Jay, The station I'm referring to....."Serving The Dakotas, Eastern Montana, Southern Saskatchewan and Manitoba 24 hours a day with REAL Country, we're The BIG ONE, News Radio 660 KEYS Country, KEYZ Williston-Sidney" . I used to work down the hall from KEYZ (pronounced KEYS) on the red headed step child station (96.1 FM) of the AM/FM/FM group. Paul Walker www.onairdj. com On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > For what it's worth, I get a somewhat listenable fringe signal from a > 5000 Watt low dial position AM Stereo station that programs...music! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Apr 28 18:27:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25079 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2009 01:27:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2009 01:27:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2009 01:27:18 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE9RME5AVKNBMS for (sender ); Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:25:47 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD/RZKBDzuF07rRO/jJ601ZY= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PFAEPHG7; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:25:35 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.146] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:25:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:25:01 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090428.182501.25968.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:1843734009 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Clear Channel lays off another 590 people X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=tz1_Y7vwrCesXyKdSWgUnP8wH5scbq0xK_5JGxDdAw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Clear Channel lays off another 590 people: The most vulnerable were those in programming (on and off-air), engineering= , I.T., and =93business office=94 jobs such as traffic and continuity. The= 590 cuts today are on top of the 1,850 positions eliminated on January 20.= Many of the Inauguration Day budget cuts were in sales, while that departm= ent was spared this time. CC has trimmed 2,440 jobs so far this year out of= a total of about 900 radio stations.=20 From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Wed Apr 29 05:27:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46079 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2009 12:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2009 12:27:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.155) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2009 12:27:39 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so637089ywk.44 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:26:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.150.52.2 with SMTP id z2mr1348288ybz.90.1241007997214; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:26:37 -0600 Message-ID: <8bce0fe80904290526n7e8e27d1t99e20813e7216a52@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: Listneing to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=c-5DMMmditzzZfNuZQKvf71WF1UGQMmC89sPM7YZ_YZRq-_qCHAjli2x X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay, it's funny, but also kinda sad. The two FM's are no puny signals either, with 100,000 Watts at 709 ft and 870ft i do believe. 660 is the breadwinner and favorite of the group, 95.1 is the second favorite and 96.1 is the "bitch" lol......You can hear 660 from just about Billings to Minot to Regina by day.. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:10 AM, wrote: > > View All Topics= | Create > New Topic > Messages 1a. Re: Listening to AM Stereo > Posted > by: "JNR" a1asurfradio@yahoo.com > = a1asurfradio > Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:21 am (PDT) > > Funny that the F.M. would be the red-headed stepchild! > > Jay > > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > wrote: > From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Listening to AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 9:05 AM > > Jay, > > The station I'm referring to....."Serving The Dakotas, Eastern > > Montana, Southern Saskatchewan and Manitoba 24 hours a day with REAL > > Country, we're The BIG ONE, News Radio 660 KEYS Country, KEYZ > > Williston-Sidney" . > > I used to work down the hall from KEYZ (pronounced KEYS) on the red > > headed step child station (96.1 FM) of the AM/FM/FM group. > > Paul Walker > > www.onairdj. com > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > wrote: > > > For what it's worth, I get a somewhat listenable fringe signal from a > > > 5000 Watt low dial position AM Stereo station that programs...music! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top <#120f1240f5d0a212_toc> > Reply to sender > |= Reply > to group > | Reply > via web post > > Messages in this topic > = (4) > 2. Clear Channel lays off another 590 people > Posted > by: "W6YN Don Milbury" w6yn@juno.com > w6yn > Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:27 pm (PDT) > > Clear Channel lays off another 590 people: > > The most vulnerable were those in programming (on and off-air), > engineering, I.T., and =93business office=94 jobs such as traffic and > continuity. The 590 cuts today are on top of the 1,850 positions eliminat= ed > on January 20. Many of the Inauguration Day budget cuts were in sales, wh= ile > that department was spared this time. CC has trimmed 2,440 jobs so far th= is > year out of a total of about 900 radio stations. > > Back to top <#120f1240f5d0a212_toc> > Reply to sender > | Reply > to group > | Reply > via web post > > Messages in this topic > = (1) > R > --=20 Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Apr 30 08:48:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52714 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2009 15:48:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2009 15:48:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2009 15:48:38 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABE9VUCUA32E5WS for (sender ); Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:48:34 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5DQP8HHHSorx79y2cw6ZNw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PFEJFZLY; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:48:21 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.244.146] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:47:38 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:47:38 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090430.084738.14378.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:1488240947 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: AM news station goes weekend infomercials X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=tPKXOKL4OmSbI2AOaPMou6w716yHWS_PsHp-Ok80ow X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Stodgy, dependable old Los Angeles KFWB News Radio (AM-980) turn its weeken= ds over to round-the-clock infomercials. "Give us 22 minutes and we'll give you the world," KFWB has promised since = going all news in the last century. But now, on Saturdays and Sundays, it's= "Give us 22 minutes and we'll give you . . . fish oil, gold coins, cut-rat= e mortgages..." From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 30 17:46:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17657 invoked from network); 1 May 2009 00:46:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2009 00:46:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2009 00:46:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2009 00:46:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2009 00:46:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 00:46:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090430.084738.14378.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.68.165 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: AM news station goes weekend infomercials X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=8OW8nxHOaaDEVzWzhJ-pBG-kfwmVHlTEIr5f5jFSbUGzb4ZtYOWqskCQX3a8fNTeRyEjNfoO X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote= : > > Stodgy, dependable old Los Angeles KFWB News Radio (AM-980) turn its week= ends over to round-the-clock infomercials. >=20 > "Give us 22 minutes and we'll give you the world," KFWB has promised sinc= e going all news in the last century. But now, on Saturdays and Sundays, it= 's "Give us 22 minutes and we'll give you . . . fish oil, gold coins, cut-r= ate mortgages..." > Hi Gang Infomercials are the death nail of radio AM and FM. Thay suck!!! J= im Smith From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 30 23:23:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6135 invoked from network); 1 May 2009 06:23:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2009 06:23:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2009 06:23:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2009 06:23:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2009 06:23:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 06:23:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.51.60 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: KFI AM 640 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=szsd7Q3GMCUDzNWhySDpn2zYnXlsNKnp3VCu84oslB3lq-j3x06DzbZPcLy0M6fx0npVj9Rn X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I have tryed KFI AM 640 and there iCRAP is off!!!! I hope this i= s perment. I could not hear my local KSTE AM 650 .095 kw nights. KSTE AM 65= 0 is neer Sacramento Ca. KFI AM 640 has always boom in here except for when= the plain hit there main tower. Jim Smith From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat May 02 13:44:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91602 invoked from network); 2 May 2009 20:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2009 20:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2009 20:44:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2009 20:43:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2009 20:43:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 20:43:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.193 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A little help, please X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=gbwLqxCzCrcEb3GjhshCXiUFqvSoGzjVuuQX_CAT3UfYXzsmCA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! According to the "standard" rules, a quarter wave antenna tower to "my" sta= tion (1260 kHz) should have 58 meters (190 feet) aprox. Also, according to the books, the lenght of each radial should be more than= that value. But... How much more, exactly? Also, the books don't say any about how much deep below the ground surface = the radials should be. Some idea? At last, I know we should mix a lot of common salt with the local ground ar= ound each radial to get a good conductivity. Is there some other chemical e= lement/compound to use in this issue? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Sat May 02 18:11:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84865 invoked from network); 3 May 2009 01:11:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 May 2009 01:11:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m14.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.204) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2009 01:11:30 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-349fceefd40; Sat, 02 May 2009 21:10:21 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d5c.3b24d445 (42805) for ; Sat, 2 May 2009 21:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 21:10:13 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A little help, please X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7Yw248u8uTHtklmZlqluq9hZ9JwBB9NMcyPRPsrtr9FcHYeh9BOnxATyKku0zV95 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, There are two kinds of radials. Full length and intermediate. I would not use sodium chloride around the radials because it was be very corrosive. Salt isn't conductive. Salt water is conductive. You will need a galvanic protection system to protect the ground system and your investment. There are above ground grounding systems that have advantages in some areas depending on ground conditions and maintenance. Mike ************** Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown00000027) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From r.lebreton36@gmail.com Sun May 03 21:02:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: r.lebreton36@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24809 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 04:02:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2009 04:02:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2009 04:02:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2009 04:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2009 04:01:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 04:01:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80904290526n7e8e27d1t99e20813e7216a52@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.248.186.6 From: "r_lebreton36" Subject: Re: Listneing to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=334013609; y=f68P3RYnayNhnR0Si4mnrIT1EI4p0t-8Wp8SDxNYSL-XdsY3_5dc X-Yahoo-Profile: r_lebreton36 Hi, Folks! I picked up a true AM stereo receiver recently and I've been trying to = pickup some true AM stereo stations. I live in Toronto and, unfortunately,= all the radio stations that *used* to broadcast in AM stereo in Canada no = longer do so :( ... as far as I can tell. I've been trying to find a radio station that is within my reception ra= nge and broadcasts in AM stereo. Most of the AM stereo websites I have che= cked have old, outdated lists. The only station that I'm sure that broadca= sts in AM stereo is KCJJ in Iowa City which is just on the *fringe* on my r= eception range on a good night. Are there any other stations in the Great Lakes area that still broadca= sts in AM stereo? TIA... From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun May 03 21:52:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13973 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 04:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2009 04:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2009 04:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2009 04:52:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2009 04:52:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 04:52:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.40.144.245 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: Listneing to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=xZUsod4UYP8NKDOwMXf2pwpH9CR83yItD3wppeoDig_0OJ4Ucq4eAui9GByJknQJUSyi1Xyu X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "r_lebreton36" wro= te: > > Hi, Folks! >=20 > I picked up a true AM stereo receiver recently and I've been trying t= o pickup some true AM stereo stations. I live in Toronto and, unfortunatel= y, all the radio stations that *used* to broadcast in AM stereo in Canada n= o longer do so :( ... as far as I can tell. >=20 > I've been trying to find a radio station that is within my reception = range and broadcasts in AM stereo. Most of the AM stereo websites I have c= hecked have old, outdated lists. The only station that I'm sure that broad= casts in AM stereo is KCJJ in Iowa City which is just on the *fringe* on my= reception range on a good night. >=20 > Are there any other stations in the Great Lakes area that still broad= casts in AM stereo? >=20 >=20 > TIA... Hi All You mite try this site. www.meduci.com/stations.html Jeff Deck keep= s this list up very well. Jim Smith P.S Dose your AM STEREO do forced AM ST= EREO?=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon May 04 05:42:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78852 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 12:42:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2009 12:42:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2009 12:42:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62124 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2009 12:42:17 -0000 Message-ID: <825002.61136.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6jphAWYVM1nlK4ryhIPPaZ2k2oky2zM6nLTWq2ZF6RTIcZHOHhKrcTvqLwotFe6Te4MGpwCqsRwifrTJFU_nanFEICyesFop7A_IfVhroCjn.nY0PVUcmk09j2mU8NhwH_u3tVcfxBK9mmRb_6LpvuGqMzSxUSXpqbuBZTDECmeC_6g_1yQUyfXPTT.pzlQSX3BFM_aR8GxJ6Oail19RKGQ.1rYXPsaBW.2UZ.IDS1JKYu9PXLs8.pSYMAuK8lwBlZGingpx0KqAN2j08wkKX.uo7hqOEMWyOUv_iIFA4RRoqn3baEjA X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 May 2009 05:42:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 05:42:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo in Toronto X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=W9PAep4-A23ksXSz-rASKPv7FaBK-r0BTwQn3YvaF8XYwIhT4Dvp6p8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Well, CHUM used to be stereo, but not anymore; however, I would suggest a loop antenna pointed to your west and you should be able to pull-in AM 630 CFCO which broadcasts in C-Quam AM stereo - I was listening to them on Sunday. They have switched from oldies to country, but still play music in stereo on AM and emphasize the FM rather than the AM like they used to. CFCO is 10KW days on 630KHz and with less power and a different pattern at night - check "Radio Locator" to see if you're in range. I thought that there was another AM stereo up there on 900KHz or there abouts too? Good luck and let us know what you hear! 73's John From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Mon May 04 06:35:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52462 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 13:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2009 13:35:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f123.google.com) (209.85.221.123) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2009 13:35:17 -0000 X-Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so8110741qyk.12 for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 06:35:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.151.128.11 with SMTP id f11mr12146622ybn.107.1241444112295; Mon, 04 May 2009 06:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 07:35:12 -0600 Message-ID: <8bce0fe80905040635v61bdddcbk466e087b2d6afacb@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.123 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re: Listening to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=6j6Swn16uvBvW6ucxGpBRRiX6PY8gGVH-UkJw_1-aIveeWG1X77fbEXO X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Hey TIA, Where are you located? Maybe we can make some suggestions on what to listen= for! I've actually heard KEYZ 660 in Stereo before. Back in 2006, when my friend from Montana would come visit, we'd tool around in his late 80s Chrysler Sedan that had AM Stereo in it, and it was pretty decent. I once asked the Chief Engineer for Cherry Creek Radio-Williston, "Why haven't taken the AM Stereo generator out? No one has AM Stereo anymore and I doubt many people in our listening area can hear it!" Well, his reply was that back when the station moved from a 3 tower site on 1360 to a 4 tower site on 660 on the other side of town in 1986, they installed AM Stereo back then, when it was "still in its heyday" and removing it now would screw with the tuning and audio bandwith of the transmission system. You know, I don't recall if KEYZ, which ID's as "NewsRadio 660 KEYZ (pronounced KEYS) Country' actually ever promotes the fact their AM Stereo. I've got the email address for The General Manager and the Chief Engineer, if anyone wants to ask 'em a few questions! By the way, the Chief Engineer is 65 years old and has been with the station for 30+ years, he's also the Morning man on 660! Paul Walker www.onairdj.com > 1a. > > Re: Listneing to AM Stereo > > Posted by: "r_lebreton36" r.lebreton36@gmail.com =A0 r_lebreton36 > > Sun May=A03,=A02009 9:02=A0pm (PDT) > > Hi, Folks! > > I picked up a true AM stereo receiver recently and I've been trying to > pickup some true AM stereo stations. I live in Toronto and, unfortunately= , > all the radio stations that *used* to broadcast in AM stereo in Canada no > longer do so :( ... as far as I can tell. > > I've been trying to find a radio station that is within my reception rang= e > and broadcasts in AM stereo. Most of the AM stereo websites I have checke= d > have old, outdated lists. The only station that I'm sure that broadcasts = in > AM stereo is KCJJ in Iowa City which is just on the *fringe* on my recept= ion > range on a good night. > > Are there any other stations in the Great Lakes area that still broadcast= s > in AM stereo? > > TIA... > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon May 04 15:34:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75599 invoked from network); 4 May 2009 22:34:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2009 22:34:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2009 22:34:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59016 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2009 22:34:51 -0000 Message-ID: <673650.58688.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: K.asaEkVM1k89QEGyKqz_KzRXvawPbnzc0rvlm3h0Jk6TgDl5cGkxFXM1zBqqVz2vNYFXHgtR_AR204QG4r4U37GkE9nYFEB4vgRRFWFef9Cgxf7uNCflTnx67ff4bQIFOHkGbTawS8UFUCEJIPNb931wLmuBu15cZ_2uLdQJlLXLBQQW_vEt0xFsXoLxGyB1uFWtNPYwfQE1abJXXOQ4b1_KxrsUXW_3r5VnKcY2gl9Yel1sd_q2Cpd7SzqyDpqF8Wv7Siqr2Mxlj7cqAKLPPfENpJVTqOW5BXovIZZ84aHeObStVvelhaemhf5EcGVkh1plpO0cbNk9AUJ4XjWtr32qUc7UURQgWSILKc5ZNFJsNnBEkE9un26BHoFvbx2g_yp X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 May 2009 15:34:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:34:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Listneing to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=AugH20aBmWLdoYF1AscT6jH6kUqeYkx7lTK8Kqrxfh1d6g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 CFCO, London, Ontario, is still in stereo, and playing country music. They are at 630 kHz. G --- On Mon, 5/4/09, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Listneing to AM Stereo > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 12:52 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In amstereoforum@ > yahoogroups. com, "r_lebreton36" > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, Folks! > > > > > > I picked up a true AM stereo receiver recently and > I've been trying to pickup some true AM stereo stations. > I live in Toronto and, unfortunately, all the radio > stations that *used* to broadcast in AM stereo in Canada no > longer do so :( ... as far as I can tell. > > > > > > I've been trying to find a radio station that > is within my reception range and broadcasts in AM stereo. > Most of the AM stereo websites I have checked have old, > outdated lists. The only station that I'm sure that > broadcasts in AM stereo is KCJJ in Iowa City which is just > on the *fringe* on my reception range on a good night. > > > > > > Are there any other stations in the Great Lakes > area that still broadcasts in AM stereo? > > > > > > > > > TIA... > > > > Hi All You mite try this site. www.meduci.com/ stations. > html Jeff Deck keeps this list up very well. Jim Smith P.S > Dose your AM STEREO do forced AM STEREO? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon May 04 17:30:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6951 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 00:30:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2009 00:30:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 00:30:26 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.133] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090504192927103038000010.0) with SMTP id <20090504192927103038000010> for ; Mon, 04 May 2009 19:29:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003c01c9cd18$82182760$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <825002.61136.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 19:29:27 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Toronto X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=YDSx_4asuFuvA4hJcY2kHZd-jBiqKrDLgPmu1TtUUBNhiYE3m_Cr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have heard rumor that CHML 900 is still stereo, but don't know for sure. Can't get it well enough here to check. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 7:42 AM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo in Toronto Well, CHUM used to be stereo, but not anymore; however, I would suggest a loop antenna pointed to your west and you should be able to pull-in AM 630 CFCO which broadcasts in C-Quam AM stereo - I was listening to them on Sunday. They have switched from oldies to country, but still play music in stereo on AM and emphasize the FM rather than the AM like they used to. CFCO is 10KW days on 630KHz and with less power and a different pattern at night - check "Radio Locator" to see if you're in range. I thought that there was another AM stereo up there on 900KHz or there abouts too? Good luck and let us know what you hear! 73's John --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From r.lebreton36@gmail.com Mon May 04 21:08:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: r.lebreton36@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97732 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 04:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2009 04:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 04:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2009 04:08:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2009 04:08:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2009 04:08:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 04:08:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.248.175.43 From: "r_lebreton36" Subject: Re: Listneing to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=334013609; y=xGt6QS0iwobxqh7W1Z3ULQ_kmCHM3eRpVyalJ7lZfPFWyw7pCDXx X-Yahoo-Profile: r_lebreton36 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@..." wrote: > >=20 > Hi All You mite try this site. www.meduci.com/stations.html Jeff Deck ke= eps this list up very well. Jim Smith P.S Dose your AM STEREO do forced AM = STEREO? > I'm not sure. I picked up the Sony SRF-AX15. Does that work with "forced"= AM Stereo broadcasts? From r.lebreton36@gmail.com Mon May 04 21:15:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: r.lebreton36@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92758 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 04:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2009 04:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 04:15:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2009 04:15:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2009 04:15:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 04:15:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80905040635v61bdddcbk466e087b2d6afacb@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 206.248.175.43 From: "r_lebreton36" Subject: Re: Listening to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=334013609; y=FsQggQQyGy7uu6cCFFjvsjsreJz0bhd5ktz5LDs9n_e4t278NqgP X-Yahoo-Profile: r_lebreton36 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > Hey TIA, Actually, TIA =3D "Thanks in advance..."=20 > Where are you located?=20 > > I live in Toronto ... ;) From dav259@optusnet.com.au Tue May 05 00:52:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9057 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 07:52:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2009 07:52:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.191) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 07:52:06 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (114.78.205.176.optusnet.com.au [114.78.205.176] (may be forged)) by mail10.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n457p34e014829; Tue, 5 May 2009 17:51:03 +1000 To: Cc: Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:51:02 +1000 Message-ID: <332DAFF9155F475BA5ED9F914B9704BC@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnNVjxNkh86XUn7RQ6WGCBYgUElwA== X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: DAB+ radio receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=ld-NQnpbWSSvy_ewIaHfsdUg1eTlYuIxARkvJsw8ywMh X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Matt Please advise where I can purchase a digital radio from Dick Smith Electronics or Tandy as soon as possible. I'd love to hear the Melbourne switch on in a few days time. I'm particularly interested in buying a walkman style personal radio, a smallish boombox for the top of the fridge, and a tuner type radio to play through my hi-fi system via RCA connections. I live in St. Kilda, Vic. cheers Ian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ian Davidson 41 Smith Street phone: 03 9534 8786 St. Kilda Vic 3182 mobile: 0421 500 720 Australia dav259@optusnet.com.au ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue May 05 01:30:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22518 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 08:30:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2009 08:30:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n34d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.188) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 08:30:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n34.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2009 08:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2009 08:29:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 08:29:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <332DAFF9155F475BA5ED9F914B9704BC@seagull> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 203.161.90.201 From: "dandocker" Subject: Re: DAB+ radio receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=nhqzZf6JWSKeBq4lkpSasGMXcSk7J-0Iv2LAYLf5x_77OcH4 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Hi Ian, would be great if you could record it for us to have a listen. Cheers, Dan --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" wrote: > >=20=20 > Hi Matt >=20=20 > Please advise where I can purchase a digital radio from Dick Smith > Electronics or Tandy as soon as possible. I'd love to hear the Melbourne > switch on in a few days time. >=20=20 > I'm particularly interested in buying a walkman style personal radio, a > smallish boombox for the top of the fridge, and a tuner type radio to pla= y > through my hi-fi system via RCA connections. >=20=20 > I live in St. Kilda, Vic. >=20=20 > cheers > Ian >=20=20 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Ian Davidson = =20 > 41 Smith Street phone: 03 9534 8786 > St. Kilda Vic 3182 mobile: 0421 500 720 > Australia > dav259@... > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From dav259@optusnet.com.au Tue May 05 03:02:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40297 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 10:02:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2009 10:02:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.183) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 10:02:07 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (114.78.173.217.optusnet.com.au [114.78.173.217] (may be forged)) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n45A1JTv026605; Tue, 5 May 2009 20:01:20 +1000 To: Cc: "'Gary Hoffman'" References: <332DAFF9155F475BA5ED9F914B9704BC@seagull> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:01:18 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcnNW78uOP9ucjYCQeOk2Zgir8wq9gAAXDVQ In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: DAB+ radio receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=GY-HY-zTfE_neV491PnHO1AOv5pOmYGb64Cc4uqbf2VQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: dandocker would be great if you could record it for us to have a listen. Cheers, Dan Hmmmmm ... Dan - it's just like the intro of AM stereo (in 1985 here) all over again. I have to admit that there is one radio commercial which all commercial radio stations are playing ad infinitum. It probably has cost the commercial radio stations a lot of money. But it's as if they're advertising toothpaste or dishwashing liquid. There's no explanation to the general radio listeners of what digital radio offers ... just the same thing with better sound. No talk of extra channels, pausing live radio, or the ease in recording your favourite programs. The only reason that Australian commercial radio stations "seem to be" supporting DAB+ is because if they didn't ACMA (read your FCC) would have allowed new entrants who would. The (government funded) ABC seems to be really looking forward to providing extra services, but they are so short of funds. What really annoys me is that I haven't once heard any radio announcer even mention digital radio's introduction. All we get are the hygienic stupid meaningless radio ads selling it like soap powder. But, having said that ... let me say this. AM stereo with its various competing systems, and the ridiculous way it was introduced in the USA, was doomed to fail. At least Australia mandated C-quam for our intro in 1985. Canada followed our example a few years later. And so did ... eventually ... the USA. In our case ... there were hardly any receivers to EVER buy locally. Most of my AMS stuff came via America or Japan. Digital radio in Oz will succeed. Only because it has to. The way its introduction has been handled is a massive disgrace, and this will just make its acceptance much longer than should have been necessary. I'm copying this message to good guy Gary Hoffman (station manager of Magic 1278) who successfully established the wonderful AM stereo station Magic 693 in 1994. This station provided great memorable hits in hi-fi stereo with pleasant knowledgeable radio announcers and a good news and extras service for over twelve years. Unfortunately the powers that be made Magic swap its frequency with their sister powerhouse talk station 3AW a couple of years ago. It didn't work. 3AW's ratings stayed the same. Magic's ratings went down. Maybe Gary will comment on this. Though ... maybe not as it would be seen as a knock to the powers that be. I'm looking so forward to hearing Magic again on a daily basis in hi-fi stereo. And I will try and give you guys a recording of something soon ... if I can find a digital radio receiver to buy. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 05 05:29:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61873 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 12:29:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2009 12:29:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 12:29:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13933 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2009 12:28:20 -0000 Message-ID: <549224.13273.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1vQEkg4VM1le6uDQHtY36BavFPOY3Ye9pD59mL_pL4FDquPGCGYb72CHxEwuGMlPv9WvIkvlB2ZH80bfOrxXld4mQsZGFaIjnNKWgx54C.5c78sprWgSGMiUELmi19M02ivM6ko4zaQ7S9TcdeKMjZ5cXUEuS5RnfVyCF.kDNQafavrDdepWP_JereT5XACrIrwqytWuru5xSxN7jEmDyljSnNR5lf84ZiPxtAS.4BL2TtF3iCL69RYH8GMlI9oooICQs2jHPL.Lp8SGola8k2wOR.5KgjLxID8- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 05:28:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 05:28:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: re: DAB+ radio receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=dAxvDp9VJNZEh20aJ0K_bG8NKFM_Hm6xp0liF4eitYLgWx04N3hngII X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yo Ian: Glad to see you're still visiting here! My guess is that the first generation of any portable digital receiver is going to generate a lot of (wasted) heat and burn thru batteries pretty fast (most likely will require a Lithium Ion battery) and is probably limited to 2 hours run time. Is the Oz DAB+ just an 'updated/upgraded' DRM system like what is used in the UK? Cheers, "Johnny Electron" From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue May 05 05:34:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41456 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 12:34:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2009 12:34:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 12:34:18 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 9so2549689ywk.84 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 05:33:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.151.147.16 with SMTP id z16mr161809ybn.92.1241526798237; Tue, 05 May 2009 05:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 06:33:18 -0600 Message-ID: <8bce0fe80905050533n77a06cd2n2e63df292a104cab@mail.gmail.com> To: No Reply Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: Re:Listening to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=6GBGr4-QwBVqDPY_vxpoSGZlDkSEfuXLAyRLnQ0Kdn8RmQ5umVeAji-E X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester LOL, Don't I feel like an idiot now? Paul Walker www.onairdj.com > > Re: Listening to AM Stereo > > Posted by: "r_lebreton36" r.lebreton36@gmail.com =A0 r_lebreton36 > > Mon May=A04,=A02009 9:15=A0pm (PDT) > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > > > Hey TIA, > > Actually, TIA =3D "Thanks in advance..." > > > Where are you located? > > > I live in Toronto ... > > ;) From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Tue May 05 05:36:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58225 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 12:36:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2009 12:36:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.28) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 12:36:45 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so2742317yxg.41 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 05:35:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.151.147.16 with SMTP id z16mr165499ybn.92.1241526945233; Tue, 05 May 2009 05:35:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe80905050533n77a06cd2n2e63df292a104cab@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bce0fe80905050533n77a06cd2n2e63df292a104cab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 06:35:45 -0600 Message-ID: <8bce0fe80905050535p5c87e971i1fc04f08748ccc80@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.28 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: RE: Listening to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=Esth0rpFabNJV2rzQb01Imx1bFOxCWigdtpP7cSaCR0xHoYmY6vrBRNs X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester LOL, Don't I feel like an idiot now? Paul Walker www.onairdj.com > > Re: Listening to AM Stereo > > Posted by: "r_lebreton36" r.lebreton36@gmail.com =A0 r_lebreton36 > > Mon May=A04,=A02009 9:15=A0pm (PDT) > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Paul B. Walker, Jr." wrote: > > > > Hey TIA, > > Actually, TIA =3D "Thanks in advance..." > > > Where are you located? > > > I live in Toronto ... > > ;) --=20 Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 05 11:02:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31362 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 18:02:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2009 18:02:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 18:02:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74446 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2009 18:01:04 -0000 Message-ID: <274081.72423.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FAam3uQVM1kTF1lTI4tHbOJE0hftPPY6orV7Rp7PVhqAwFVcQ8YjSmQGdz2LFU3_GgJKYCOkl_aIfrUet2M3BYlb327qEQsWwpIogyJCoGRDzwQsyIoUyLPOYd3TVJAHipNFxA0QtaZj5l6aFbuG0nLsK3z_9QZgQO763Ha82fz7r2DoLxi149fzDoPKPrdqB_UlWA.VjBUhv8EDjO_Ml_DXrzR6cWCqQyadB05aoUDAu20- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 May 2009 11:01:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:01:04 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Station will STAY in AM STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=mXXKfkbEsGaS5QuygEbeMsdQROnq2Tj65sUyfxrAo3Vyj-1B_Rb3aek X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio This is the kind of news that we all like to hear, I wrote to WIRY in New York about their stereo AM, which they promote, and I was concerned since they just moved WIRY to a new studio / transmitter / tower site and here's his reply: "...----we'll continue to broadcast in AM Stereo..." Now that's music to my ears! John From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue May 05 13:30:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95410 invoked from network); 5 May 2009 20:30:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2009 20:30:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s30.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.169) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2009 20:30:35 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W15 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s30.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 5 May 2009 13:30:14 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:30:14 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: <274081.72423.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <274081.72423.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2009 20:30:14.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BE93780:01C9CDC0] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Station will STAY in AM STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=dY4smtD9MSmCtymmjdHcZLPLm18d_xlRzkVLr4Sw_1eBVX8x2ePYShLQFcA X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The winter weather may not be the greatest in Plattsburg,NY, but WIRY 1340 makes it a more desirable place to live or visit; I've listened online to them and they are a great station. Donn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:01:04 -0700 Subject: {AMSF} Station will STAY in AM STEREO! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue May 05 17:20:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90487 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 00:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2009 00:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 00:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2009 00:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2009 00:20:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 00:20:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.67.209 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: Listneing to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=EgzmgnDAJLAQB5eafaQUF0Y9ysxvwSHNzh-QUONngpjSVMlszPG2EJkY1002r-UDUnWIPakf X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "r_lebreton36" wro= te: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@" w= rote: > > >=20 > >=20 > > Hi All You mite try this site. www.meduci.com/stations.html Jeff Deck = keeps this list up very well. Jim Smith P.S Dose your AM STEREO do forced A= M STEREO? > > >=20 > I'm not sure. I picked up the Sony SRF-AX15. Does that work with "force= d" AM Stereo broadcasts? > Hi I beleave so. Most Sony AM Stereo radio's are forced. Jim Smith From dav259@optusnet.com.au Tue May 05 18:47:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80939 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 01:47:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2009 01:47:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.187) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 01:47:36 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (114.78.193.146.optusnet.com.au [114.78.193.146] (may be forged)) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n461kXhT032164 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 11:46:34 +1000 To: References: <549224.13273.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:46:32 +1000 Message-ID: <1087963CE3E04024BCD6FFF1A6311160@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <549224.13273.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 thread-index: AcnNfSkLek+2xjToQbmW6fYy9B78gAAbd07Q X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} re: DAB+ radio receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=rEX2AD2Bv2AVgJHd8YC01lQSw4_cENsibSdl_ciQ2I8v X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John P. Yo Johnny! > My guess is that the first generation of any portable digital > receiver is going to generate a lot of (wasted) heat and burn > thru batteries pretty fast (most likely will require a Lithium Ion > battery) and is probably limited to 2 hours run time. We're all still pretty much in the dark over what will be, and should already be, available. From what I read DAB+ receivers will only offer a digital and an FM band. AM misses out again! Needless to say, the guy at Dick Smith Electronics has not replied to my email. His was the only contact name on the www.digitalradioplus.com.au site. > Is the Oz DAB+ just an 'updated/upgraded' DRM system like what > is used in the UK? As far as I understand we're not embracing DRM yet. It may be good eventually for ABC Radio's vast network of far flung stations. We're getting DAB+, which is the latest version of what they have in the UK. But UK receivers wont work here as there are only DAB (without the +). cheers Ian from Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue May 05 19:00:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95428 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 02:00:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2009 02:00:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 02:00:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2009 01:59:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2009 01:59:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 01:59:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1087963CE3E04024BCD6FFF1A6311160@seagull> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 203.161.90.201 From: "dandocker" Subject: Re: DAB+ radio receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=4ybfrc2mn7M8gvnrfCJPw_nKhQQDDtN0yf0HL_i0fS7j_aRf X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Hi guys, I just realised that listening to the launch on a DAB+ receiver will just b= e a simulcast of whats on the AM/FM station :-) It'll still be good to hear= what the sound quality is like though. I think the AM stations are allocat= ed 64kbps of the mux each. The difference between DAB+ in Australia and the British version is that we= use a different codec (HE-AAC v2) see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAB%2B We have apparently already launched in Perth. I haven't heard much promotio= n of it from the on air personalities. Just that commercial where they say = "Digital Radio; it's radio as you know it...PLUS" --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" wrote: > > From: John P.=20 >=20=20 > Yo Johnny! >=20=20 > > My guess is that the first generation of any portable digital > > receiver is going to generate a lot of (wasted) heat and burn > > thru batteries pretty fast (most likely will require a Lithium Ion > > battery) and is probably limited to 2 hours run time. >=20=20 > We're all still pretty much in the dark over what will be, and should > already be, available. From what I read DAB+ receivers will only offer a > digital and an FM band. AM misses out again! >=20=20 > Needless to say, the guy at Dick Smith Electronics has not replied to my > email. His was the only contact name on the www.digitalradioplus.com.au > site. >=20=20 >=20 > > Is the Oz DAB+ just an 'updated/upgraded' DRM system like what > > is used in the UK?=20 >=20=20 > As far as I understand we're not embracing DRM yet. It may be good > eventually for ABC Radio's vast network of far flung stations. >=20=20 > We're getting DAB+, which is the latest version of what they have in the = UK. > But UK receivers wont work here as there are only DAB (without the +). >=20=20 > cheers > Ian from Melbourne >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Tue May 05 22:23:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55294 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 05:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2009 05:23:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.159.7) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 05:23:43 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a011ec433d; Wed, 06 May 2009 01:23:16 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d1d.459b6b7c (48576) for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 01:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 01:23:34 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.159.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KFI AM 640 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=xuCBso4FHvIDXvfER9zVuKMwK8qO1U-8ueLOqOYSUUKwAl1RQ19Pu4buPQR3kLLz X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am not certain what KFI's new antenna is. The old one was a modified=20 Franklin. At 640, a regular Franklin would be almost 2,000 ft. tall. KFI = used=20 a capacitance hat to load the top and base capacitance to load the bottom=20 to extend the apparent electrical length. When someone mentioned their new towers, I thought they may have went=20 directional like WWL in NOLA, not to protect other stations but to concentr= ate=20 their coverage over land and not ocean. Apparently not. I imagine with a Franklin antenna and 50 kW, it has even daytime coverage=20 well out over the Pacific. I bet even the Professor's sea shell radio coul= d=20 pick up Laura Ingraham's rant over making the Howell's share their coconuts= . Mike ************** Big savings on Dell=E2=80=99s most popular laptops. Now starting=20 at $449!=20 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221827510x1201399090/aol?redir=3D= http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214663377%3B36502382%3Bh) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@optusnet.com.au Wed May 06 01:44:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22048 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 08:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2009 08:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au) (211.29.132.187) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 08:44:44 -0000 X-Received: from seagull (114.78.203.61.optusnet.com.au [114.78.203.61] (may be forged)) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n468HAKT009698 for ; Wed, 6 May 2009 18:17:11 +1000 To: References: <1087963CE3E04024BCD6FFF1A6311160@seagull> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:17:08 +1000 Message-ID: <90D054DE2D274876B80230C00A4BBA8D@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnN7oORZKQCCbMTSKa52ucMirkOZwAMnDnw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 211.29.132.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: DAB+ radio receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=H_6lcd0NLGiKoNDGbtZ3UKfY6Q9kaqZ_VCx0LQSWNRaJ X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a response to my message which I copied to the station manager of Magic 1278. He truly is one of the good guys and pretty much answers any emails sent to him as long as you don't pester him. Note what he says about the American media experience. Not very complimentary, but probably accurate. Ian Melbourne From: Gary Hoffman [mailto:ghoffman@magic1278.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:35 AM To: Ian Davidson Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: DAB+ radio receivers G'day Ian, If you've been listening to Magic over the past couple of weeks, you may have noticed we are playing different digital ads than other stations. I was underwhelmed by what was provided, so created my own ads which are now also being used on our sister station 4BH in Brisbane. My ads specifically promote the improved audio quality of digital radio, because that is by far the biggest complaint I get about the station. Digital is a massive leap forward for all AM music stations, and Magic may benefit more than most. And I think it's important to note that the opportunities for AM and FM in a digital world are quite different, because the FM's already have a superior sound to AM. For them, it's all about content. For us, it's all about improved quality. And that's how it's playing out. Austereo has already launched "Radar" as a separate digital channel, and will also operate "Pink" for three months - which I think is an excellent promotional vehicle, not only for Pink (the artist) but digital radio in general. I'm sure Austereo will be very pro-active in the creation and promotion of their digital channels. DMG has also announce "Novanation" and "Koffee" as digital only channels, and will also run Vega into those markets where it currently doesn't exist. ARN is yet to make any firm committments, but I'm sure they will. The ABC has announced they will run their DIG audiostreams as digital channels as well. All this is very encouraging, but it should be remembered that the main focus for all networks is to transfer their analogue streams to digital successfully, and they will. I know there's been much comment about the slow uptake of digital in the UK and USA, but we're talking chalk and cheese here. Most people don't understand the stupid way digital was introduced in the UK, and the onerous restrictions placed on digital formats. They also used a system that was (and is) technically inferior to the one Australia is using. Same thing in America, where the yanks went off with a half-baked sytem that echoes just about everything the've ever done technically in regards to media. American TV? Crap! (Not the programmes, the quality of the pictures). What Australia is doing is a world first, so comparisons are just not valid. In reality, the rest of the world should be looking at us. As I said earlier, the main game for us is the technical upgrade digital will offer our listeners, and we are VERY excited about that. I'm sure that we will also offer additional digital channels as time goes by, but that's not our main focus at this stage. Having said all that, it's likely we will begin digital transmissions within the next 10 days, but these will be low-powered technical transmissions to allow the techs to sort it out and get it right before we go full-power. That may take a month or more. Until then, we will continue to run a digital teaser campaign on air. The official launch of full-blown digital (in Melbourne) is scheduled to take place in August. Regards, Gary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~, Thanks Gary I'm so pleased that you seem keen about digital. Magic has so much to gain, and nothing to lose like several FM commercial clones including Mix, MMM, and Vega. Keep up the good work, and hopefully soon we may also have some PAMS jingles as well. I wouldn't object if you simply re-recorded all the old loveable "Magic 693" jingles perhaps with the new lyrics "Magic - All Time Greats". It would scan. You could change your slogan to "The Greatest Hits of All Time". Good luck! and cheers Ian __________ [ Note: Magic's current slogan is "The Best Songs of All Time". ] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed May 06 02:10:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54138 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 09:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2009 09:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.185) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 09:09:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88719 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2009 09:09:42 -0000 Message-ID: <734457.87883.qm@web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: WXMl470VM1nGD6xvaK8CNKIps9HeFro3yx.Kr7Hi1Qiwtdo8QT3knTW2GiS0UXBMr9XX3PNAME7l0hdQHgHJLSm62oGG4OIi8s6KBbSRZpJzTp75WK3yyWWTAAlMyapNkLLLjZVBKWu_UTy8NzPqwbi0T4z02CDMqrze7SlrR9TRIR.h3zTVtD5KlKD4BxhZ33JrP7b6Jj7.o2jPWwJeSK_6xrAigUm8zJm_3eDVuBgdaHjMYLQXzs354LAZiJLVgmTn.MGfP41o4lM1GYQcGqtSB61ZjjUrLPeA3D73pzZqsEF5YVvg9A8SXE1jOrgYT7A- X-Received: from [74.97.63.254] by web54011.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 02:09:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 02:09:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: RE: {AMSF} Station will STAY in AM STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=ewvqOS0ugHiGf57TpB63PrJOZPBQh976IkdrxFVCz4znXqn_DdFU X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I heard them in Burlington in '04.=A0 Pretty good!=A0 Too bad about WGOL/92= 0 in Alabama tho. 73, Jay, N1WVQ, V31VQ, WQBI410 --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Donn Tillman wrote: From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Station will STAY in AM STEREO! To: "am stereo" Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 4:30 PM =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 The winter weather may not be the greatest in Plattsburg,NY, but WIRY 1340 = makes it a more desirable place to live or visit; I've listened online to t= hem and they are a great station. =20 Donn To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com From: toledohamradio@ yahoo.com Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:01:04 -0700 Subject: {AMSF} Station will STAY in AM STEREO! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed May 06 07:02:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60889 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 14:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2009 14:02:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 14:02:22 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFADGCYA5P4TQ2 for (sender ); Wed, 6 May 2009 07:01:58 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDx5dNOXAaJFZAgyWnDLkTfY= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PFVSQYTB; Wed, 06 May 2009 07:01:41 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.31.228] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 6 May 2009 14:00:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 14:00:46 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090506.070046.6818.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:399624626 X-MAIL-INFO:22c584558455cd55cd416585fde451b4d1d4d51079d0b5b514246d29344499 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: AM Jammer X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=FwOtEGHy6iNBCxSLMaBkTGQ82uD3w9jz3E-gXaGHgg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn From The Miami Herald: Government interference of Radio Mart=ED increases HAVANA. Cuba, May 4 (Mois=E9s Leonardo Rodr=EDguez / www.cubanet.org) - Lis= teners of Radio Mart=ED in the Mariel municipality of Havana say the govern= ment is interfering with the signal 24 hours a day for the first time. Various listeners throughout the area said the signal had been received wit= h no or little interference until the end of last year. A man named Rafael, a constant listener to the U.S. government station, sai= d, =93They only lessen the interference when there=92s a major league baseb= all game is being broadcast. If it=92s broadcasting news or hot commentary = it=92s impossible to receive the signal. It=92s as if the radio is going to= break because of the vibrations.=94 A neighbor of Rafael=92s nicknamed China said, =93Wouldn=92t it be better t= o use the money being wasted on interference to instead solve problems like= the shortage of water, transportation, damage caused by hurricanes, the sh= ortage of ambulances and other problems we face?=94 From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed May 06 07:46:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46970 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 14:46:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2009 14:46:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 14:46:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 90646 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2009 14:46:21 -0000 Message-ID: <17695.89642.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PZ2IkLkVM1nrPXj2YPpr09rQA.gYjDKRXZ.CoJIRRvAR7KHl4ZmLa3C_cR7JzHdssrNIH4F3ND3J4w0AzWcuvaYrzG5cBS74U9kYX94B76hQw1GK2GKlh0ia2N7jnoAeIQcvrtJQtFORQigYbLLVAUOEk0eEUanGwHNPOs1pNbvV3aTPSUWgd3bYdQXv48h_uA5fGPEOf04JdNsBcT96.iWdlCXLP6hL7KnVFgY25PZDfKAA0tuN0bZOF2iDYeIhElT2F7eNRykWvpVUp7GdB2jkB4ZQ.VwhcQXylb01NoGvo.yUO6qIFzav.h0DDm4Nb21RD2noL.PH6Vgy X-Received: from [74.97.63.254] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 May 2009 07:46:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 07:46:20 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Reply-To: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Subject: Fw: [ABDX] AM Stereo: Another one bites the dust X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=35PuXpBqb9kuoeRhoFqnWWdkgHQpAN4rYzks6rJPhq7VDpKVf_T3 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- On Tue, 5/5/09, kevin redding wrote: From: kevin redding Subject: [ABDX] AM Stereo: Another one bites the dust To: "ABDX@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:23 PM Went to Russellville, AL amd took the SRF A1 to see if WGOL 920 was in stereo. Sorry. Mono. Sounded good but mono. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Wed May 06 11:49:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9010 invoked from network); 6 May 2009 18:49:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 May 2009 18:49:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2009 18:49:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2009 18:49:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2009 18:49:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 18:49:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <90D054DE2D274876B80230C00A4BBA8D@seagull> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.44.200 From: "Sotiris" Subject: {AMSF} Re: DAB+ radio receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=Idl90_TRZXNg_Khv4HFqKKkbTynIP9pjOV_FKPUuNOw X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Well I'm not sure if we are talking about the correct format, since DAB & D= AB+ are the replacement digital format for "FM" band. DAB hasn't been assig= ned for use at MW or even SW bands... It doesn't fit inside the spectrum ma= sk required for MW & SW broadcasting! Because of that it couldn't also fit = inside the standard FM band, and that why they have allocated it at VHF III= band!=20 On the other hand the most promising digital scheme IMHO is the DRM that is= already in use for MW & SW broadcasting at too many regions. Adding to tha= t that there is also now a system testing at the VHF Band II, meaning exact= ly the same analog FM band that is in use worldwide, the DRM+ (as they call= it) seems to me that that system will get more attention than all the othe= rs! DAB & DAB+ need a complete reconstruction of the transmitter site, as t= he lowest frequency of use is... VHF III (174-230MHz). That also demamnds t= he re-allocation of every TV station in use, before the first DAB transmitt= er will turned on!=20 Instead the DRM+ is designed for use INSIDE the FM band, at a 100KHz chann= el.=20 DRM uses the AAC+ encoder from start, and seems to me that the DAB finally = followed that, with the DAB+ upgrade, that is basically only the use of the= similar HE-AAC+ encoder for better quality!=20 I have been lucky enough to attend a close meeting at Portugal that was tak= en place for the upcoming future of the DAB system...=20 I'll not say much about the oppinions came up from all the broadcasting eng= inneers there, but the most shocking was one that came from a BBC engineer.= ' He clearly stated that digital radio for terrestrial use has a long way to = go to dominate the airwaves that analog radio has! He wasn't so positive ab= out the DAB at UK, even though he was in the BBC DAB project at time.=20 DAB has its first strike already, with the need for someone who had spend t= o buy a new radio just a while ago, to spend again, at most cases, to buy a= newer one that can reaceive the newer format of DAB+. That is very much tr= ue for the most 1st generation DAB receivers that haven't the ability to be= upgraded for decoding the DAB+.=20 You there at Oz, you're starting to use DAB+ as the FM replacement system. = That;s good. But I'm sure that you're also considering the DRM for MW & SW = use. Well IMHO, soon the DRM+ will be also added to many receivers. So, yo= u should better try to find a receiver that it will be capable to receive a= lso DRM (at least for MW & SW for now) as this might be worthing more in th= e near future... :)=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 =20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" wrote: > >=20=20 > Here's a response to my message which I copied to the station manager of > Magic 1278. >=20=20 > He truly is one of the good guys and pretty much answers any emails sent = to > him as long as you don't pester him. >=20=20 > Note what he says about the American media experience. Not very > complimentary, but probably accurate. >=20=20 > Ian=20 > Melbourne >=20=20 > From: Gary Hoffman [mailto:ghoffman@...]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:35 AM > To: Ian Davidson > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: DAB+ radio receivers >=20 >=20 > G'day Ian, >=20=20 > If you've been listening to Magic over the past couple of weeks, you may > have noticed we are playing different digital ads than other stations. I = was > underwhelmed by what was provided, so created my own ads which are now al= so > being used on our sister station 4BH in Brisbane. >=20=20 > My ads specifically promote the improved audio quality of digital radio, > because that is by far the biggest complaint I get about the station. > Digital is a massive leap forward for all AM music stations, and Magic ma= y > benefit more than most. And I think it's important to note that the > opportunities for AM and FM in a digital world are quite different, becau= se > the FM's already have a superior sound to AM. For them, it's all about > content. For us, it's all about improved quality. And that's how it's > playing out.=20 >=20=20 > Austereo has already launched "Radar" as a separate digital channel, and > will also operate "Pink" for three months - which I think is an excellent > promotional vehicle, not only for Pink (the artist) but digital radio in > general. I'm sure Austereo will be very pro-active in the creation and > promotion of their digital channels. >=20=20 > DMG has also announce "Novanation" and "Koffee" as digital only channels, > and will also run Vega into those markets where it currently doesn't exis= t. > ARN is yet to make any firm committments, but I'm sure they will. The ABC > has announced they will run their DIG audiostreams as digital channels as > well. >=20=20 > All this is very encouraging, but it should be remembered that the main > focus for all networks is to transfer their analogue streams to digital > successfully, and they will. >=20=20 > I know there's been much comment about the slow uptake of digital in the = UK > and USA, but we're talking chalk and cheese here. Most people don't > understand the stupid way digital was introduced in the UK, and the onero= us > restrictions placed on digital formats. They also used a system that was > (and is) technically inferior to the one Australia is using.=20 >=20=20 > Same thing in America, where the yanks went off with a half-baked sytem t= hat > echoes just about everything the've ever done technically in regards to > media. American TV? Crap! (Not the programmes, the quality of the picture= s). >=20=20 > What Australia is doing is a world first, so comparisons are just not val= id. > In reality, the rest of the world should be looking at us. >=20=20 > As I said earlier, the main game for us is the technical upgrade digital > will offer our listeners, and we are VERY excited about that. I'm sure th= at > we will also offer additional digital channels as time goes by, but that'= s > not our main focus at this stage. >=20=20 > Having said all that, it's likely we will begin digital transmissions wit= hin > the next 10 days, but these will be low-powered technical transmissions t= o > allow the techs to sort it out and get it right before we go full-power. > That may take a month or more. Until then, we will continue to run a digi= tal > teaser campaign on air.=20 >=20=20 > The official launch of full-blown digital (in Melbourne) is scheduled to > take place in August. >=20=20 > Regards, > Gary >=20=20 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~, > Thanks Gary >=20=20 > I'm so pleased that you seem keen about digital. >=20=20 > Magic has so much to gain, and nothing to lose like several FM commercial > clones including Mix, MMM, and Vega. >=20=20 > Keep up the good work, and hopefully soon we may also have some PAMS jing= les > as well. I wouldn't object if you simply re-recorded all the old loveabl= e > "Magic 693" jingles perhaps with the new lyrics "Magic - All Time Greats"= . > It would scan. You could change your slogan to "The Greatest Hits of All > Time". >=20=20 > Good luck! and cheers > Ian=20=20=20 > __________ >=20=20 > [ Note: Magic's current slogan is "The Best Songs of All Time". ] >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed May 06 18:38:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65886 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 01:38:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2009 01:38:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 01:38:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 01:37:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 01:37:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 01:37:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 203.161.90.201 From: "dandocker" Subject: Re: DAB+ radio receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=A55NSSNqmEQ5jmkBV8HujpAoq5mSDB2ltkvtDY7D6UnsqFRy X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker My understanding is that in Australia, DAB+ is being used in the VHF III ba= nd. AM (MW) and FM (VHF) stations are starting to broadcast digitally in th= e VHF III? band while continuting to broadcast in AM in the MW band and FM = in the VHF-FM band (VHFII?). I think that many DAB+ stations can use the same transmitter site because t= he transmission is multiplexed. All stations are given bitrate allocations = in the mux. As for digital broadcasting in the MF and VHF-FM band, I don't think we hav= e adopted anything. IBOC, DRM or otherwise. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi=20 > Well I'm not sure if we are talking about the correct format, since DAB &= DAB+ are the replacement digital format for "FM" band. DAB hasn't been ass= igned for use at MW or even SW bands... It doesn't fit inside the spectrum = mask required for MW & SW broadcasting! Because of that it couldn't also fi= t inside the standard FM band, and that why they have allocated it at VHF I= II band!=20 >=20 > On the other hand the most promising digital scheme IMHO is the DRM that = is already in use for MW & SW broadcasting at too many regions. Adding to t= hat that there is also now a system testing at the VHF Band II, meaning exa= ctly the same analog FM band that is in use worldwide, the DRM+ (as they ca= ll it) seems to me that that system will get more attention than all the ot= hers! DAB & DAB+ need a complete reconstruction of the transmitter site, as= the lowest frequency of use is... VHF III (174-230MHz). That also demamnds= the re-allocation of every TV station in use, before the first DAB transmi= tter will turned on!=20 > Instead the DRM+ is designed for use INSIDE the FM band, at a 100KHz cha= nnel.=20 > DRM uses the AAC+ encoder from start, and seems to me that the DAB finall= y followed that, with the DAB+ upgrade, that is basically only the use of t= he similar HE-AAC+ encoder for better quality!=20 >=20 > I have been lucky enough to attend a close meeting at Portugal that was t= aken place for the upcoming future of the DAB system...=20 > I'll not say much about the oppinions came up from all the broadcasting e= nginneers there, but the most shocking was one that came from a BBC enginee= r. ' > He clearly stated that digital radio for terrestrial use has a long way t= o go to dominate the airwaves that analog radio has! He wasn't so positive = about the DAB at UK, even though he was in the BBC DAB project at time.=20 >=20 > DAB has its first strike already, with the need for someone who had spend= to buy a new radio just a while ago, to spend again, at most cases, to buy= a newer one that can reaceive the newer format of DAB+. That is very much = true for the most 1st generation DAB receivers that haven't the ability to = be upgraded for decoding the DAB+.=20 >=20 > You there at Oz, you're starting to use DAB+ as the FM replacement system= . That;s good. But I'm sure that you're also considering the DRM for MW & S= W use. Well IMHO, soon the DRM+ will be also added to many receivers. So, = you should better try to find a receiver that it will be capable to receive= also DRM (at least for MW & SW for now) as this might be worthing more in = the near future... :)=20 >=20 > Best regards=20 > Sotiris=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" wrote: > > > >=20=20 > > Here's a response to my message which I copied to the station manager o= f > > Magic 1278. > >=20=20 > > He truly is one of the good guys and pretty much answers any emails sen= t to > > him as long as you don't pester him. > >=20=20 > > Note what he says about the American media experience. Not very > > complimentary, but probably accurate. > >=20=20 > > Ian=20 > > Melbourne > >=20=20 > > From: Gary Hoffman [mailto:ghoffman@]=20 > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:35 AM > > To: Ian Davidson > > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: DAB+ radio receivers > >=20 > >=20 > > G'day Ian, > >=20=20 > > If you've been listening to Magic over the past couple of weeks, you ma= y > > have noticed we are playing different digital ads than other stations. = I was > > underwhelmed by what was provided, so created my own ads which are now = also > > being used on our sister station 4BH in Brisbane. > >=20=20 > > My ads specifically promote the improved audio quality of digital radio= , > > because that is by far the biggest complaint I get about the station. > > Digital is a massive leap forward for all AM music stations, and Magic = may > > benefit more than most. And I think it's important to note that the > > opportunities for AM and FM in a digital world are quite different, bec= ause > > the FM's already have a superior sound to AM. For them, it's all about > > content. For us, it's all about improved quality. And that's how it's > > playing out.=20 > >=20=20 > > Austereo has already launched "Radar" as a separate digital channel, an= d > > will also operate "Pink" for three months - which I think is an excelle= nt > > promotional vehicle, not only for Pink (the artist) but digital radio i= n > > general. I'm sure Austereo will be very pro-active in the creation and > > promotion of their digital channels. > >=20=20 > > DMG has also announce "Novanation" and "Koffee" as digital only channel= s, > > and will also run Vega into those markets where it currently doesn't ex= ist. > > ARN is yet to make any firm committments, but I'm sure they will. The A= BC > > has announced they will run their DIG audiostreams as digital channels = as > > well. > >=20=20 > > All this is very encouraging, but it should be remembered that the main > > focus for all networks is to transfer their analogue streams to digital > > successfully, and they will. > >=20=20 > > I know there's been much comment about the slow uptake of digital in th= e UK > > and USA, but we're talking chalk and cheese here. Most people don't > > understand the stupid way digital was introduced in the UK, and the one= rous > > restrictions placed on digital formats. They also used a system that wa= s > > (and is) technically inferior to the one Australia is using.=20 > >=20=20 > > Same thing in America, where the yanks went off with a half-baked sytem= that > > echoes just about everything the've ever done technically in regards to > > media. American TV? Crap! (Not the programmes, the quality of the pictu= res). > >=20=20 > > What Australia is doing is a world first, so comparisons are just not v= alid. > > In reality, the rest of the world should be looking at us. > >=20=20 > > As I said earlier, the main game for us is the technical upgrade digita= l > > will offer our listeners, and we are VERY excited about that. I'm sure = that > > we will also offer additional digital channels as time goes by, but tha= t's > > not our main focus at this stage. > >=20=20 > > Having said all that, it's likely we will begin digital transmissions w= ithin > > the next 10 days, but these will be low-powered technical transmissions= to > > allow the techs to sort it out and get it right before we go full-power= . > > That may take a month or more. Until then, we will continue to run a di= gital > > teaser campaign on air.=20 > >=20=20 > > The official launch of full-blown digital (in Melbourne) is scheduled t= o > > take place in August. > >=20=20 > > Regards, > > Gary > >=20=20 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~, > > Thanks Gary > >=20=20 > > I'm so pleased that you seem keen about digital. > >=20=20 > > Magic has so much to gain, and nothing to lose like several FM commerci= al > > clones including Mix, MMM, and Vega. > >=20=20 > > Keep up the good work, and hopefully soon we may also have some PAMS ji= ngles > > as well. I wouldn't object if you simply re-recorded all the old lovea= ble > > "Magic 693" jingles perhaps with the new lyrics "Magic - All Time Great= s". > > It would scan. You could change your slogan to "The Greatest Hits of A= ll > > Time". > >=20=20 > > Good luck! and cheers > > Ian=20=20=20 > > __________ > >=20=20 > > [ Note: Magic's current slogan is "The Best Songs of All Time". ] > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From r.lebreton36@gmail.com Wed May 06 19:56:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: r.lebreton36@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21266 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 02:56:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2009 02:56:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.150) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 02:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 02:55:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 02:55:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 02:55:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.119.236.73 From: "r_lebreton36" Subject: Re: Listneing to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=334013609; y=AON592QGLdgXiXL78y26mOIeaZlmWoZrZE6auxYGzT1De-u6BP5o X-Yahoo-Profile: r_lebreton36 P.S Dose your AM STEREO do forced AM STEREO? > > > > >=20 > > I'm not sure. I picked up the Sony SRF-AX15. Does that work with "for= ced" AM Stereo broadcasts? > > > Hi I beleave so. Most Sony AM Stereo radio's are forced. Jim Smith > I guess that would explain why I can receive mono signals in "stereo". It'= s funny when you hear the station you're tuned into come in on one channel = (e.g. left) and then a faded background signal from another station on the = same frequency come in on the opposite channel (e.g. right). Then, of cour= se, there's all the interesting effects of fading. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 07 07:34:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46754 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 14:34:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2009 14:34:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 14:34:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50843 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2009 14:34:01 -0000 Message-ID: <192225.49698.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: vgCnVAMVM1mhSIPTQWCc4g2ZZmVeYGOhn4LKu1JPWvdu1njOydC5cifcBJDz_xKAGCr0zaSA5BEPMJHmpGQEbB7LOhnpSkCg53ErZnkWuFGCVC5RjDJUFw7Evv0znZIflWjyhjmtUOgp.KY2TBAQ87kd7BzPppQw8INRGgEi9_ougI8LwVBwS45z7J_L.LTaX6fji9wMxr2lH_Gr3HAYUCXLY_EMks_Ci97dUNTSwSAwlDOYL12NNC3nWH7ZhL.oYLVP5fUa0Mnm5ZDZv09Nl7Ei_iDnt9S7zBgjxFkRT5CPxOWMf485S_s- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 May 2009 07:34:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:34:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Is it Powerside? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=iYGoGeffh1PDXjo6g6U-x3hYVSWQ6GQHviWQE7BwewPN41Wn7PM6oBs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio r l wrote: "...I guess that would explain why I can receive mono signals in "stereo". It's funny when you hear the station you're tuned into come in on one channel (e.g. left) and then a faded background signal from another station on the same frequency come in on the opposite channel..." Hey guys, is it possible that he's hearing a station with Kahn's "Powerside" which dumps modulation into one 'channel'? John From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 07 07:35:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52511 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 14:35:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2009 14:35:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 14:35:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42239 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2009 14:35:22 -0000 Message-ID: <889048.41330.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: EwAV6PEVM1khlYJ0iM5JR0Mbsz9y2ojPtY8wXYNFqnSDS6YLCsK8Aa5Ta4begeh_7cXakMsSMDRXZWfPcw28oppe2Nsloy7fS3OVxqAoVeEhkwqltHVs9j_khLBz4RAAVpSzhkdmN5RnPJHlf6vgHB7.N9QsU4HRkCgtGDzmzFfown1gzPU0pA.BsB2NkR9pex0f_5_pXvsazQ_yXLnkSuuM3s68KBPsdoJouatbXwwGgWkATHFV5AJ.wgF7aZX1opGrCe.ID6BbDoIfTqiqDmsBfhjVelZ06dn42m5NY_7ArFhGr4_O3A-- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 May 2009 07:35:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WGOL Assist? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ugNRHt3anG0DtfH-8koaZi9ZEnB8a3v5Yc3uVkfLsbbuFeajqKCXs8I X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Kev wrote: "...took the SRF A1 to see if WGOL 920 was in stereo..." Can we check with their engineer to see if there's anything we can do to help them get back into stereo? John From r.lebreton36@gmail.com Thu May 07 10:22:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: r.lebreton36@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23467 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 17:22:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2009 17:22:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 17:22:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 17:22:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 17:22:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 17:22:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <673650.58688.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 209.226.11.131 From: "r_lebreton36" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Listneing to AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=334013609; y=Xh-O-suqZAgtiLg4zbjw3UgC7sWMaR-An7kXt-Pn_9WNIqW8JOTp X-Yahoo-Profile: r_lebreton36 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > >=20 > CFCO, London, Ontario, is still in stereo, and playing country music. > They are at 630 kHz. > G >=20 They are drown out by AM 640 unless I am able to get a very directional= and selective AM antenna. Thanks. From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu May 07 12:03:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64790 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 19:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2009 19:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 19:02:53 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 19:02:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 19:02:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 19:02:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:02:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.44.200 From: "Sotiris" Subject: iBoc... related! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=bIdC88Mo0Qf5Y_QCWpTwQsCY9Hwk9vSw_ZMp9EMuwIs X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Well, its worth to give it a look...=20 http://www.nabeurope.org/images/2008presentations/HalKnellerNABEC08SpkrPres= .pdf=20 This is how they presented the iBoc at last year European meeting...=20 Comments anyone?=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu May 07 12:57:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59161 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 19:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2009 19:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 19:57:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 19:57:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 19:57:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:57:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.45 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: iBoc... related! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=hY-SgN_6XViOzg0VPKRpJ13miaSDqA99f6CoeIXQJbKkcvd77Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Well, its worth to give it a look...=20 > http://www.nabeurope.org/images/2008presentations/HalKnellerNABEC08SpkrPr= es.pdf=20 >=20 > This is how they presented the iBoc at last year European meeting...=20 >=20 > Comments anyone? > Just one question: HOW MUCH, FROM ALL THAT PRESENTATION, IS REALLY THE WHOLE TRUTH? As an example, here, my wonderful and most beautiful country of the world. = CHILE. We have had just two test, years ago. Since then... nobody has comme= nt any about it. My local authorities are very bussy with the cell phone co= mpanies and the digital TV services, but NOTHING ABOUT ANY DIGITAL RADIO SY= STEM. Why? Simple: from the broadcasters part, there is no any interest (th= ere is not enough money to think about it). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu May 07 12:59:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96532 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 19:59:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2009 19:59:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 19:59:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 19:59:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 19:59:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:59:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <192225.49698.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.45 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Is it Powerside? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=35LftAD0KPYYgZmzfvB-QOWfauAFRdb3A7TQwnjAfe1NwES7pQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > >=20 > r l wrote: "...I guess that would explain why I can receive mono signals = in "stereo". It's funny when you hear the station you're tuned into come in= on one channel (e.g. left) and then a faded background signal from another= station on the same frequency come in on the opposite channel..." >=20 > Hey guys, is it possible that he's hearing a station with Kahn's "Powersi= de" which dumps modulation into one 'channel'? >=20 > John > Is Powerside a legal system in USA? I thought there was just an experiment = idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu May 07 15:57:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65005 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 22:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2009 22:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 22:56:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 22:56:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2009 22:56:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 22:56:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.57.249.180 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: Is it Powerside? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=ZfG_A1ECMWW0BDrUx5cEf_b5eiLfIqBCxPpl7F-vnRN-ZYUuiQL68IqjUL1NPykSik5m8IKc X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > > >=20 > > r l wrote: "...I guess that would explain why I can receive mono signal= s in "stereo". It's funny when you hear the station you're tuned into come = in on one channel (e.g. left) and then a faded background signal from anoth= er station on the same frequency come in on the opposite channel..." > >=20 > > Hey guys, is it possible that he's hearing a station with Kahn's "Power= side" which dumps modulation into one 'channel'? > >=20 > > John > > >=20 > Is Powerside a legal system in USA? I thought there was just an experimen= t idea. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Jaun What i read in a old PDF on www.fcc.gov about the time when AM STE= REO finaly got passed in 1993 YES its legal because its not concedered "AM = STEREO" but all "MONO" as in long as it is fed mono. I thought you would n= eed a KHAN radio to hear the full sound though ???? Jim Smith From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu May 07 16:07:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77912 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 23:07:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2009 23:07:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp120.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.93) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 23:07:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52554 invoked from network); 7 May 2009 23:06:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO w4m4k1) (jimsmith95650@75.57.249.180 with login) by smtp120.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2009 23:06:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000901c9cf68$f7ba4d20$c2d7fea9@w4m4k1> To: Cc: Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:10:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.93 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Fw: {AMSF} Re: Is it Powerside? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=R4LhY3YCu6Pw_KJ0unDNjVBLHcRIPwSotYU2vXWry6MGdE-y-m_u_Wy2b5DIQYg6EF9J72Ll X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Is it Powerside? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > > >=20 > > r l wrote: "...I guess that would explain why I can receive mono signal= s in "stereo". It's funny when you hear the station you're tuned into come = in on one channel (e.g. left) and then a faded background signal from anoth= er station on the same frequency come in on the opposite channel..." > >=20 > > Hey guys, is it possible that he's hearing a station with Kahn's "Power= side" which dumps modulation into one 'channel'? > >=20 > > John > > >=20 > Is Powerside a legal system in USA? I thought there was just an experimen= t idea. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Hi Jaun What i read in a old PDF on www.fcc.gov about the time when AM STER= EO finaly got passed in 1993 YES its legal because its not concedered "AM S= TEREO" but all "MONO" as in long as it is fed mono. I thought you would nee= d a KHAN radio to hear the full sound though ???? Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Thu May 07 20:41:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56499 invoked from network); 8 May 2009 03:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2009 03:41:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2009 03:41:21 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so712592yxj.1 for ; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:40:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.150.148.7 with SMTP id v7mr5801618ybd.66.1241754011700; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:40:11 -0500 Message-ID: <8bce0fe80905072040u28b961f6nd11c0f2d68c749c8@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: WGOL 920 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=M_Zl_8UWworagIIC_otsGViskIsMytiBAJdkhWXyJPC83s5zjN03bDIP X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester I've got a few "calls" into WGOL, to find out why they aren't in AM Stereo anymore, what's going on and what the plans are. I have 2 friends down in the Russellville area, one of them in fact works with WGOL. I hope to find out more pretty soon here. -- Sincerely, Paul B. 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Walker, Jr." Subject: GOOD NEWS- WGOL-AM Stereo 920 Update! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=lcRdOFjdSPLkqrBMLZNVG9_RShEZM9pdD8UeC8WzoRn4GoVbZzHiGmf5 X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Since someone on an email list recently mentioned that WGOL wasn't broadcasting in stereo anymore, I decided to take it upon myself and check into it. This note came to me this morning directly from WGOL's Engineer/Technical Assistant.. "WGOL's stereo signal is still on the air. The webstream however, is run in mono The WGOL transmitter is a Broadcast Electronics AM1A that has never given us a minute of trouble. The stereo processor is a CRL Amigo AM. The WKAX transmitter is a Harris Gates One that has been much less reliable. It has an Inovonics 235 processor. There are three Inovonics processors on the studio side of the STL, two of course for WGOL and one for WKAX. The station's websites are at http://www.wgolam.com and http://www.wkaxam.com but do note, only WGOL streams it's classic country format. WKAX doesn't stream it's Christian country format. There you have it, WGOL is still, in fact, broadcasting in stereo. Whoever reported it as not in stereo, must've been mistaken or had a problem with their radio. Sincerely, Paul B. Walker, Jr. www.onairdj.com walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri May 08 10:30:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45943 invoked from network); 8 May 2009 17:30:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2009 17:30:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.150) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2009 17:30:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60046 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2009 17:30:22 -0000 Message-ID: <162890.58833.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: G5brUsoVM1kZFDSz8.W37LqpbwMFhtJB_GFmB9GeipckmpFxOuyxw0LPHW2IB296AgnHKAbqkdt3V18sb3uRe1bLyZNzkCw4uutcDiurO83Mw9ITAWLjyRBP3fXZ70WgnRu.5UJfLxSDLUyYoK0D8dpqfIfwkgIWLAyxiOrbwsIrd4DjjOMAn4SsF_5ouy.gSc6PDrG8iDQguCHuBLCKWchc6hvsSzGpIijrF2VWf26EClhQabPaVmsh6eGvygarkEFWCCRELekeFdUVkP2JKItPMdMlPCEHJ1xEIndAlJLyWxxAt7vU.S95zX7mgUiMAvR2dxLPhOT5yw-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 May 2009 10:30:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:30:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} GOOD NEWS- WGOL-AM Stereo 920 Update! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=acUycmz8Lk6bxaKk6h5mvkLND5h0pr1JtBG4JszqdjU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Kevin was not mistaken and nothing is wrong with his radio. They need to c= heck things out more thoroughly. It's easy enough to take a BE AM1a out of= stereo mode.=20 One reason you are not on ABDX anymore.... You act like a know it all.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrot= e: > Since someone on an email list > recently mentioned that WGOL wasn't > broadcasting in stereo anymore, I decided to take it upon > myself and > check into it. >=20 > This note came to me this morning directly from WGOL's > Engineer/Technical Assistant.. >=20 > "WGOL's stereo signal is still on the air. The webstream > however, is run in mono >=20 > The WGOL transmitter is a Broadcast Electronics AM1A that > has never > given us a minute of trouble.=A0 The stereo processor is > a CRL Amigo AM. > The WKAX transmitter is a Harris Gates One that has been > much less > reliable.=A0 It has an Inovonics 235 processor.=A0 > There are three > Inovonics processors on the studio side of the STL, two of > course for > WGOL and one for WKAX. >=20 > The station's websites are at http://www.wgolam.com and > http://www.wkaxam.com=A0 but do note, only WGOL > streams it's classic > country format. WKAX doesn't stream it's Christian country > format. >=20 > There you have it, WGOL is still, in fact, broadcasting in > stereo. > Whoever reported it as not in stereo, must've been mistaken > or had a > problem with their radio. >=20 > Sincerely, > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > www.onairdj.com > walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri May 08 19:06:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14665 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 02:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2009 02:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 02:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.18] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090508210328101850600010.0) with SMTP id <20090508210328101850600010> for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:03:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008201c9d04a$5413a260$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 21:03:28 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: lost another one X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=qfzeMpLO70dxDMUIxF8TNTmscp2vJywkwOPcoFh499TiYbw_dsl1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We're down one station- KASM in Albany MN is no longer stereo due to the failure of their stereo generator. I don't think they want to spend the money to fix it. There is a possible up side, however. I know the guy who took it out of service and I've got a pretty good chance of getting it. I plan on replacing the caps (likely all it needs), and it's not out of the question I could end up putting it back into service myself. If you're wondering about that last statement, here's the rest of the story. Co-owned WQPM in Princeton MN erected a new AM tower to replace one that collapsed when some city ditch mower didn't look where he was going and took out a set of guy wires. They're operating on an older AM tower that they never took down. The new tower has a transmitter building at the base, as the old studio/transmitter building is all but abandoned. I offered my services to move the transmitter to the new building and run the coax, etc. The transmitter is a BE AM-1A with built-in stereo generator. Unfortunately the audio processor is a mono 9200. I'm going to see if I can get permission to trade that for a CRL AM Amigo stereo unit at one of the broadcast suppliers so WQPM will be stereo. If I can get some other contract work from them that would take me to Albany, I could potentially reinstall the repaired AM stereo generator. It would require swapping out a couple of boards on their Ampfet transmitter but I don't think it would be a difficult task. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri May 08 19:13:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24625 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 02:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2009 02:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 02:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.18] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090508211220102871700010.0) with SMTP id <20090508211220102871700010> for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:12:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00bd01c9d04b$91710e80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <549224.13273.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1087963CE3E04024BCD6FFF1A6311160@seagull> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 21:12:20 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} re: DAB+ radio receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=0W7ZSHEb8GOLEGUt7EeZOOq2N5zHl6dcLGk7pA4hV-adcunCZdzg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ANY digital radio system should be a software defined so that it doesn't easily become obsolete. Unfortunately the early adopters now are stuck with MPEG layer 2 and there's no chance to upgrade without turning current receivers into expensive paper weights. There are numerous more efficient coding schemes available. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:47 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} re: DAB+ radio receivers From: John P. Yo Johnny! > My guess is that the first generation of any portable digital > receiver is going to generate a lot of (wasted) heat and burn > thru batteries pretty fast (most likely will require a Lithium Ion > battery) and is probably limited to 2 hours run time. We're all still pretty much in the dark over what will be, and should already be, available. From what I read DAB+ receivers will only offer a digital and an FM band. AM misses out again! Needless to say, the guy at Dick Smith Electronics has not replied to my email. His was the only contact name on the www.digitalradioplus.com.au site. > Is the Oz DAB+ just an 'updated/upgraded' DRM system like what > is used in the UK? As far as I understand we're not embracing DRM yet. It may be good eventually for ABC Radio's vast network of far flung stations. We're getting DAB+, which is the latest version of what they have in the UK. But UK receivers wont work here as there are only DAB (without the +). cheers Ian from Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri May 08 19:18:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62306 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 02:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2009 02:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 02:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.18] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090508211709100214400010.0) with SMTP id <20090508211709100214400010> for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:17:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00d701c9d04c$3d8b48c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <274081.72423.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 21:17:09 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Station will STAY in AM STEREO! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=F4-G0uzoSiGwsNBcmgn_VH2DMPrs7QmykJuWpWh1OgU4-Y1AMuLZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I could do a Snoopy dance! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: {AMSF} Station will STAY in AM STEREO! This is the kind of news that we all like to hear, I wrote to WIRY in New York about their stereo AM, which they promote, and I was concerned since they just moved WIRY to a new studio / transmitter / tower site and here's his reply: "...----we'll continue to broadcast in AM Stereo..." Now that's music to my ears! John --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri May 08 19:20:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91435 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 02:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2009 02:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 02:20:09 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.18] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090508211924102120500012.0) with SMTP id <20090508211924102120500012> for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 21:19:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e701c9d04c$8dd1d240$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 21:19:24 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KFI AM 640 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=uEWao-YcGqO7gWSZmREy-p5PCsu2JHjx9PmMTRaW87Nk0DJs94XH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course not- They've got all of Santa Catalina island to think about. A populous off shore island doesn't exist near New Orleans so there's more incentive not to waste power over the ocean. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com When someone mentioned their new towers, I thought they may have went directional like WWL in NOLA, not to protect other stations but to concentrate their coverage over land and not ocean. Apparently not. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri May 08 20:25:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54874 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 03:25:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2009 03:25:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 03:25:36 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so959383yxp.30 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:25:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.151.8 with SMTP id y8mr9832099and.147.1241839525750; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.33.126.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.33.126.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d38sm6081160and.4.2009.05.08.20.25.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 08 May 2009 20:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:18:08 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is it Powerside? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=xPecR01QTfHjqBw4Siu1HDg8HtYRA_7X8o9SiouT489W3Wo0l-WWnwSnu2tnMg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 7, 2009, at 6:56 PM, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net wrote: > I thought you would need a KHAN radio to hear the full sound > though ???? No, Powerside helps AM the most when listening on an ANALOG tuned Mono radio. When you tune to a POWERSIDE station with a Kahn radio, you hear the audio in one side or the other. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri May 08 20:25:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42186 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 03:25:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2009 03:25:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 03:25:51 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1038579ywm.74 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:24:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.48.14 with SMTP id v14mr6934851anv.10.1241839490181; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.33.126.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.33.126.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d38sm6081160and.4.2009.05.08.20.24.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 08 May 2009 20:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <192225.49698.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:13:32 -0400 References: <192225.49698.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is it Powerside? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=uZGReCa0C-6U5IO10V50lHXbAZz2aLEXnxba2n01gPHFBxpjcOyn4V9lm1XAvA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 7, 2009, at 10:34 AM, John P. wrote: > Hey guys, is it possible that he's hearing a station with Kahn's > "Powerside" which dumps modulation into one 'channel'? Yes, that is what he is hearing. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri May 08 20:26:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44212 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 03:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2009 03:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.44.29) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 03:26:10 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so959788yxg.65 for ; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:25:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.10.15 with SMTP id 15mr9708520anj.117.1241839510539; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.33.126.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.33.126.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d38sm6081160and.4.2009.05.08.20.24.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 08 May 2009 20:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:16:25 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.29 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is it Powerside? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=PZIT4xELcmu8dRd84X5Tgw8cqFRQyyNb3Pp7m7YMLeTWGI1fw5rbXO2_N0JrOg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 7, 2009, at 3:59 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > Is Powerside a legal system in USA? I thought there was just an > experiment idea. YES. It is illegal to broadcast in Kahn ISB AM Stereo, but OK to put the exciter in the "Powerside" mode and broadcast in Mono. Some stations do flip the exciter back into the Stereo Mode accidently or on purpose and broadcast in ISB Stereo illegally. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri May 08 22:20:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12783 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 05:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2009 05:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 05:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2009 05:19:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2009 05:19:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 05:19:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.158.200 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Is it Powerside? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=HvbHfl5kiJXF3_4c8Oj8tesT9gwz_8yEN9b2cNngXRRyNa3hd0LXqvXbjVJGjNRRCeEYgCi_ X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > >=20 > On May 7, 2009, at 3:59 PM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > Is Powerside a legal system in USA? I thought there was just an=20=20 > > experiment idea. >=20 > YES. It is illegal to broadcast in Kahn ISB AM Stereo, but OK to put=20=20 > the exciter in the "Powerside" mode and broadcast in Mono. Some=20=20 > stations do flip the exciter back into the Stereo Mode accidently or=20=20 > on purpose and broadcast in ISB Stereo illegally. >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang And how would it matter at this point if a station was in mono pow= er side or ISB Am Stereo compaired to the noise that a iCRAP station puts o= ut. I am not a broadcast enganeer but i have herd KFRC AM 610 dering ISB da= ys on a mono radio and it was clear with on noise. Jim Smith A radio fan From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri May 08 23:00:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76047 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 06:00:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2009 06:00:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 06:00:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2009 06:00:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2009 06:00:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 06:00:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <162890.58833.qm@web34701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.26.25.98 From: "PW" Subject: Re: {AMSF} GOOD NEWS- WGOL-AM Stereo 920 Update! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=-YAyhGSHyQB9PS-aXlczKMjRuLJRohdtRNNANWzeQN9w2DVvwu36AqQM X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Now now Powell, I can ONLY report what has been told to me directly by the = station and that's all I did, was relay information ;) The station is checking on a few more things and will get back to me again.= If they were in fact, not in stereo, then they thnik it may be an STL iss= ue with one channel going bad. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > >=20 > Kevin was not mistaken and nothing is wrong with his radio. They need to= check things out more thoroughly. It's easy enough to take a BE AM1a out = of stereo mode.=20 >=20 > One reason you are not on ABDX anymore.... >=20 > You act like a know it all.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 5/8/09, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrote: > > Since someone on an email list > > recently mentioned that WGOL wasn't > > broadcasting in stereo anymore, I decided to take it upon > > myself and > > check into it. > >=20 > > This note came to me this morning directly from WGOL's > > Engineer/Technical Assistant.. > >=20 > > "WGOL's stereo signal is still on the air. The webstream > > however, is run in mono > >=20 > > The WGOL transmitter is a Broadcast Electronics AM1A that > > has never > > given us a minute of trouble.=A0 The stereo processor is > > a CRL Amigo AM. > > The WKAX transmitter is a Harris Gates One that has been > > much less > > reliable.=A0 It has an Inovonics 235 processor.=A0 > > There are three > > Inovonics processors on the studio side of the STL, two of > > course for > > WGOL and one for WKAX. > >=20 > > The station's websites are at http://www.wgolam.com and > > http://www.wkaxam.com=A0 but do note, only WGOL > > streams it's classic > > country format. WKAX doesn't stream it's Christian country > > format. > >=20 > > There you have it, WGOL is still, in fact, broadcasting in > > stereo. > > Whoever reported it as not in stereo, must've been mistaken > > or had a > > problem with their radio. > >=20 > > Sincerely, > > Paul B. Walker, Jr. > > www.onairdj.com > > walkerbroadcasting@... > From mjgrant@aol.com Sat May 09 00:17:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55167 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 07:17:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2009 07:17:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 07:17:50 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a052dec92; Sat, 09 May 2009 03:17:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bef.43b81be0 (39331) for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 03:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 03:16:58 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.137 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KFI AM 640 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=mvgCCnJSf9JKyXD2ncYM3nquBlqmRWMrdZoQHUkyl3cg76OOgWSuICfu6wOGhIPB X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/8/2009 9:20:24 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > A populous off shore island doesn't exist near New Orleans so there's > more incentive not to waste power over the ocean. > What about all the over-the-road truckers down in Cuba? Mike ************** Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krity77@gmail.com Sat May 09 03:54:36 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31739;u=;t=1242063542;m=1578359680;s=2755647353; From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat May 09 04:51:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91933 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 11:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2009 11:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 11:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2009 11:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2009 11:51:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 11:51:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.120.194.131 From: "big_h00pla" Subject: WGOL X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=_Lh_U5-YID9PygwfW6Gn92lfR3nnObceR1tymIRd1D4TxO6Keg X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Paul,=20 Why would I drive 2 hours to a city, pull out a Sony SRF A1 and listen to W= GOL to see if it were stereo and then report that it wasn't stereo? When I get back to Russellville, Alabama again, which I have to travel to o= n rare occasion, I will bring my Sony SRF-A1 again and let you know if ther= e is any change.=20 Kevin From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat May 09 05:46:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26406 invoked from network); 9 May 2009 12:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2009 12:46:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2009 12:46:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4951 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2009 12:46:05 -0000 Message-ID: <656522.4593.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: .y3GkSAVM1nEwdHtTsWo362IlwTMajsJj7hSFcnALm9lk8vZMJ.Jwx9EKLMzKE.Dje6uCWPe0SdzygJsfU7NKpBu.l6JMJqxIcNx5QwFkn3WGUHSkNf.ucUFPHy4BLCTNio2FDbnJ1xUElQojuHh7_rDdxa74pf9gL5_7QjvVenPb94dmM6MVdenwwK6VpA0s8WO7UGbuvNenvfpZDACEHjYrJQnUKPjKcaubCa3j6.PWhxZeDhAjw9Qzrz1a4WG8KliWIIhytgtmmXeVnwbc9y2CpV68auFrBfqgPCti1rsyFGHhk4unn_hyjDF3RzTDMsFQtOEtlPLMQ_M X-Received: from [209.213.19.192] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 May 2009 05:46:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 05:46:05 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} GOOD NEWS- WGOL-AM Stereo 920 Update! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=742pnsyCQsgjDbQCufNNX3rz0VnnOfc39U7K-16_y7c X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW You reported it in a way to make Kevin look like a dummy and didn't know what he was doing. It's likely the transmitter dropped out of AM stereo mode. If the STL part of the STL failed you would know it if it were a stereo STL. Now if they are using a mono STL and stereo turned on like WNEG did for years and claim they were in stereo....... that's a different story.... :) Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sat, 5/9/09, PW wrote: > > Now now Powell, I can ONLY report > what has been told to me directly by the station and that's > all I did, was relay information ;) > > The station is checking on a few more things and will get > back to me again. If they were in fact, not in stereo, > then they thnik it may be an STL issue with one channel > going bad. From krity77@gmail.com Sat May 09 07:51:25 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31742;u=;t=1242063574;m=152121654;s=4042040966; From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat May 09 19:30:25 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31743;u=;t=1242063574;m=728385626;s=3116593007; From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat May 09 20:04:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5420 invoked from network); 10 May 2009 03:04:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2009 03:04:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2009 03:04:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2009 03:04:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2009 03:04:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 03:04:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.3 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Is it Powerside? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=dnGV9wR09o-wvSS5R8fjS7yfkxgDpzlmpZZqZ0dlbzsvGekV4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Kevin and Gang!!! I don't want to start a new war between who is better (Kahn ISB or C-Quam),= but I can't understand how an expected "smart" goverment office (as the FC= C) forbids a system (ISB Stereo) and, at the same time, lets the same syste= m with "some" modifications (PowerSide)!!! Excuse me, but I don't understand it. By the way: How many Kahn receivers there was in comparison with C-Quam tun= ers? 1 to 100? 10 to 100? ??? Just curious, because you know I prefer ISB because I think it is more... "= pure AM" (C-Quam is an hybrid). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, KJ4HYD wrote: > >=20 > On May 7, 2009, at 3:59 PM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > Is Powerside a legal system in USA? I thought there was just an=20=20 > > experiment idea. >=20 > YES. It is illegal to broadcast in Kahn ISB AM Stereo, but OK to put=20=20 > the exciter in the "Powerside" mode and broadcast in Mono. Some=20=20 > stations do flip the exciter back into the Stereo Mode accidently or=20=20 > on purpose and broadcast in ISB Stereo illegally. >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat May 09 20:20:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99531 invoked from network); 10 May 2009 03:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2009 03:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yx-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.44.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2009 03:20:45 -0000 X-Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so1576340yxn.68 for ; Sat, 09 May 2009 20:19:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.107.3 with SMTP id f3mr12864849anc.119.1241925585539; Sat, 09 May 2009 20:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.32.228.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.32.228.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.32.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm4860920ywg.43.2009.05.09.20.19.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 May 2009 20:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 23:19:38 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.44.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is it Powerside? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Xb0bMn8xmX-xP7B5dxF6joZ1g10bSFhiO7FV5oNXIdU7UN_jOmcwJ3TClhYkdA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 9, 2009, at 11:04 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > I don't want to start a new war between who is better (Kahn ISB or C- > Quam), KAHN ISB! > but I can't understand how an expected "smart" goverment office (as > the FCC) forbids a system (ISB Stereo) and, at the same time, lets > the same system with "some" modifications (PowerSide)!!! > > Excuse me, but I don't understand it. Powerside uses the same technology but for another purpose. Powerside is used to reduce some forms of interference to Mono radios. Modified Powerside (CAM-D) is still legal for Stereophonic Broadcasting in the Digital mode. > > By the way: How many Kahn receivers there was in comparison with C- > Quam tuners? 1 to 100? 10 to 100? ??? At one time there were many Multi-system radios that would decode Both. > > Just curious, because you know I prefer ISB because I think it is > more... "pure AM" (C-Quam is an hybrid). I like ISB because of the lack of Platform Motion during interference and Selective Fading. In fact KAHn ISB "Ducks" during selective fades MUCH less than standard Mono AM even on a Mono radio! 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From krity77@gmail.com Sun May 10 04:10:20 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31746;u=;t=1242063620;m=443675985;s=64758628; From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun May 10 05:53:24 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31747;u=;t=1242063620;m=1472047512;s=3116593007; From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Sun May 10 06:18:32 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31748;u=;t=1242063620;m=388571237;s=3116593007; From krity77@gmail.com Sun May 10 08:33:06 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31749;u=;t=1242063620;m=1138222879;s=3835154415; From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun May 10 11:18:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6757 invoked from network); 10 May 2009 18:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2009 18:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2009 18:17:57 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.132] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090510131701101293300010.0) with SMTP id <20090510131701101293300010> for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:17:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00d401c9d19b$810cb700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:17:01 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Is it Powerside? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Kinoe_1QXMyOUEgSRu0g6wuI7ZpgLhpaNvKzX_gXyB8giUBM-7PW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When Chrysler started adding AM stereo to all their AM/FM radios as a standard feature in 1985, that instantly tipped the scales to the Motorola side. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ4HYD To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > By the way: How many Kahn receivers there was in comparison with C- > Quam tuners? 1 to 100? 10 to 100? ??? At one time there were many Multi-system radios that would decode Both. > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun May 10 15:00:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67497 invoked from network); 10 May 2009 22:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2009 22:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2009 22:00:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2009 22:00:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2009 22:00:16 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:00:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d401c9d19b$810cb700$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.147.251 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Is it Powerside? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=kBsWmKXc0H8mjf5ZTQhyNQXU_INPSL0t0jtEyXqy2VDB3y9zlvZgstKgwHEPOCjD2CoB1uc8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > When Chrysler started adding AM stereo to all their AM/FM radios as a sta= ndard feature in 1985, that instantly tipped the scales to the Motorola sid= e. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: KJ4HYD=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20 > > By the way: How many Kahn receivers there was in comparison with C-=20 > > Quam tuners? 1 to 100? 10 to 100? ??? >=20 > At one time there were many Multi-system radios that would decode Both. > > >=20 >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Scott And thats when Motorola should have been made the standerd. We wou= ld have AM STEREO like FM STEREO with a lot more music on AM. BUT NOOOOO!!!= !!! Jim Smith From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun May 10 16:20:58 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31752;u=;t=1242063620;m=1424907122;s=3116593007; From krity77@gmail.com Mon May 11 00:07:57 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31753;u=;t=1242063620;m=1834780638;s=1476224685; From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon May 11 02:49:14 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31754;u=;t=1242063620;m=352391034;s=3752723898; From krity77@gmail.com Mon May 11 05:52:15 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31755;u=;t=1242063620;m=1038428382;s=3555969031; From krity77@gmail.com Mon May 11 07:25:34 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31756;u=;t=1242063620;m=1411982164;s=2611661291; From w6yn@juno.com Mon May 11 08:48:28 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31757;u=;t=1242063620;m=1229766643;s=1694365059; From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon May 11 09:22:53 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31758;u=;t=1242063620;m=1616232844;s=1694365059; From w6yn@juno.com Mon May 11 09:39:21 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31759;u=;t=1242063620;m=805842362;s=1694365059; From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon May 11 10:12:45 2009 X-Deleted-Message: yes X-Deletion-Info: i=31760;u=;t=1242063620;m=1825238891;s=1694365059; From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon May 11 10:42:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28334 invoked from network); 11 May 2009 17:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 May 2009 17:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2009 17:42:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2009 17:42:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 May 2009 17:42:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:42:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.56.206.2 From: "Kevin T." Subject: Spammer is gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=VL-uH2HxcPLH2qRZa5CKyP3RZ04BcaCLN80QbRc0n4lQ5myGjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics The spammer has been banned and the spam messages have been removed from th= e archive. Thanks to Powell for the heads-up about this situation. Anybody, please fe= el free to contact me via e-mail (kevtronics @ yahoo.com) about any urgent = issue such as this. I check my e-mail multiple times daily so you can be a= ssured of a quick response. Thanks for your patience and understanding! Kevin T. From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue May 12 02:20:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26715 invoked from network); 12 May 2009 09:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2009 09:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n35b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.149) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 09:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n35.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2009 09:20:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2009 09:20:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:20:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.151.124 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: Spammer is gone X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=flFg34WaEjFYVxIoVdDuwVmnk6JDOKRHo0ju6tEh_c31KPKRsWuv7tpt-FS0hW1X4hVp0i-B X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin T." wrote: > > The spammer has been banned and the spam messages have been removed from = the archive. >=20 > Thanks to Powell for the heads-up about this situation. Anybody, please = feel free to contact me via e-mail (kevtronics @ yahoo.com) about any urgen= t issue such as this. I check my e-mail multiple times daily so you can be= assured of a quick response. >=20 > Thanks for your patience and understanding! >=20 > Kevin T. > Hi Kevin and gang Good thank you very much Kevin. Jim Smith From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue May 12 03:07:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32056 invoked from network); 12 May 2009 10:07:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2009 10:07:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 10:07:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2009 10:07:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2009 10:07:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:07:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.151.124 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: I need a new cristal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=fLLIHzWpVIuoRFUbhsJHV67qBPWMjLnAsYjK9laKpCugtTt34ERzdq0u1KTvrvxaloyVJcVy X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Hi Gang I need a new cristal from some one . If i can't get one here and h= ow much I will have to send a nail mail to Chris C. I sure wish he was camp= aining again. Jim Smith From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue May 12 14:07:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40356 invoked from network); 12 May 2009 21:07:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2009 21:07:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 21:07:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2009 21:06:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2009 21:06:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:06:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.214 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Square shape antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Ykk5FtEQLiif7rzV9FXa8nVrCKMnocLfRk2xSJWC3Q2M5pQWcA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! At last, where are the specs to the square shape AM antenna? Which wire? Ho= w long? Square dimensions? ??? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Tue May 12 15:01:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95637 invoked from network); 12 May 2009 22:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2009 22:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.200) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2009 22:01:40 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-m06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a09f17b54; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:00:27 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d1e.4799a587 (41811) for ; Tue, 12 May 2009 18:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:00:22 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Square shape antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=2oPsxYnVsg0cqVk_kw32Ijh5Nf-8G5jCFeFItHGdTXPh2oPs0l_SKbrvMb8rLeU8 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I am actually building one of those, although I rotate it by by 45 degrees to make it a diamond. You can make them just about any size. The limitation is the capacitor used to resonate it. Sometimes you need a buffer at the antenna to isolate the transmission line capacitance. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322936x1201367173/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072& hmpgID=115&bcd=Mayfooter51209NO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue May 12 23:04:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13268 invoked from network); 13 May 2009 06:04:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2009 06:04:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2009 06:04:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2009 06:04:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2009 06:04:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:04:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.49 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Square shape antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=pVTrXsB2FvcERBVHuF2XZI7FYNmssMtvIDTT_-ESQUfvwD5rRA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Mike!!! Why a capacitor? The typical commercial square antennas don't have any. Just the square (I g= uess too much small), the wire and the connectors. I used one of this in my Pionner QX-949 tuner, but I don't remember a notic= eable effect in DX mode. My grand father built (1960's decade) one external "monstrous" square (10x1= 0 meters), 4 turns of 2 mm copper wire and it worked so fine in SW bands!!!= It was on a manual rotaring pole (out of the house, of course). I'm seriou= sly thinking to build something like that, but I'm not sure about the dimen= sions (it was too big!!!). Whatever, if you have some more efficient data, please let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > I am actually building one of those, although I rotate it by by 45 degree= s=20 > to make it a diamond. You can make them just about any size. The=20 > limitation is the capacitor used to resonate it. Sometimes you need a bu= ffer at the=20 > antenna to isolate the transmission line capacitance. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2=20 > easy steps!=20 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322936x1201367173/aol?redir= =3Dhttp://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=3D668072& > hmpgID=3D115&bcd=3DMayfooter51209NO115) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed May 13 05:44:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19890 invoked from network); 13 May 2009 12:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2009 12:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2009 12:44:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5374 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2009 12:44:17 -0000 Message-ID: <281188.5336.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: irTJgwYVM1kdwb8aqaDlpQIGR1xLPm0Q_XOpdW8SlpfqN3UlqUfBlV4j7fjUndWno4k9QKvQe9VPMPULi8bjEMa2Ak7MIur5GnEuZGbLmqb.yLmZJL2OfqQfn_2w2CMbANzRcRYVeLZnT2RcdwIUtQWkQ9fqhTsihPf8Vb85jfCXdkrK_GVAbM_INWNe1fRSxg5EtQDdep2UyXJHFY.ANOquQgQtHOJ3oaEd2KR4BTC.TVQL2N8sYScPuIzDjcoru1gYa4qnTtoGU4LRzzGW5hMq5KN9u._I40OSyU_JBNCD0.ryeHA- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 May 2009 05:44:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 05:44:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: re: I Need A New Crystal X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=YAzIuH4rqe5GB3ElZBS_SUFvpBaSZr4cRkJ45GbDe37d5Hw8vVaY17I X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Jim, If I recall correctly, you just need a crystal that resonates at 4 times your operating frequency; in other words, your transmit frequency will be 1/4 of the crystal freqency. So a 4MHz crystal will transmit at 1MHz (1000KHz) AM, or if you wanted to transmit at 1250KHz, you would need (1250 x 4= 5000KHz) a 5MHz crystal. 73's John From mjgrant@aol.com Wed May 13 11:09:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69142 invoked from network); 13 May 2009 18:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2009 18:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2009 18:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imo-m11.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a0b0ca932c; Wed, 13 May 2009 14:08:41 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d47.437f4623 (39332) for ; Wed, 13 May 2009 14:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:08:18 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.139 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Square shape antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=A4RL2A_sOFzhzhaJ8Hy0mIowzKVDdd-e-lYXxHzCbkaUrk-jLyZBqxAuWoNTYGtz X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I believe you are talking about a loop antenna. Loop antennas are resonant. That is, their inherent inductance is matched to a capacitor to form a tuned circuit. http://www.mindspring.com/~loop_antenna/ The practical limitation of the size of the antenna is its self-inductance. It becomes so large that capacitance need to tune it becomes impractically small. Mike ************** Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221972443x1201442012/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819441%3B36680237%3Bi) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu May 14 10:44:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85228 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 17:44:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2009 17:44:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 17:44:37 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-m22.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a0c584020d; Thu, 14 May 2009 13:43:28 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cb5.5574203a (48552) for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 13:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:44:30 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Square shape antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CKovB3llhTtEKXdSg3S0b1URWauSJaw1NcMGKwOJSmG9-hU6H6ShGjX_T82xxm_f X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, How's the antenna coming? I used a cathode follower to isolate the transmission line (coax) from the tuned circuit. I've been experimenting with a second "mirror" loop tuned slightly different to broaden the bandwidth. I haven't been able to get enough sensitivity to pull in an AMS on groundwave. Mike ************** Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627952x1201458914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819460%3B36680227%3Bi) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu May 14 13:40:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45437 invoked from network); 14 May 2009 20:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2009 20:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2009 20:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2009 20:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 May 2009 20:40:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:40:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.79 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Square shape antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ibqRaKv4Kqc89BRreno-R5f23eKbB_rcCRttwKOblTCKn4FVlg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I think we're talking about different things. I meant an standard MW reception antenna. The typical square shape (actuall= y not square... square) with some paralell cable to the tuner. I have one, relatively new (less than 10 years) and, when I use it, I don't= get a noticeable effect in DX mode. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > How's the antenna coming? I used a cathode follower to isolate the=20 > transmission line (coax) from the tuned circuit. I've been experimenting= with a=20 > second "mirror" loop tuned slightly different to broaden the bandwidth. >=20 > I haven't been able to get enough sensitivity to pull in an AMS on=20 > groundwave. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after=20 > instant savings!=20 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627952x1201458914/aol?redir= =3Dhttp:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214819460%3B36680227%3Bi) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Thu May 14 20:43:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61591 invoked from network); 15 May 2009 03:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2009 03:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2009 03:43:34 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a0ce4a2207; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:42:26 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d1a.420f3974 (41812) for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 23:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 23:42:21 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Square shape antenna X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=4_uDRtM63VQCrCSdkOoK7oAsBLnxzhVITgYYLJBn7hvp_8Q6aPzG3WVxUbu4W3L8 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's what I am talking about. A medium wave, as in AM BCB, loop antenna. A loop antenna is resonant. It's inherent self-inductance is resonated with a variable capacitor. I used a buffer at the antenna to allow as much self-inductance as possible which translated into the largest antenna possible. Mike ************** Dell Mini Netbooks: Great deals starting at $299 after instant savings! 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From w6yn@juno.com Wed May 20 13:20:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32797 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 20:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 20:20:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 20:20:44 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFBJ3SFAXE9LUA for (sender ); Wed, 20 May 2009 13:20:21 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9aPsAjO/8ubA5q9Adf3CdQ= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PG2HW4HZ; Wed, 20 May 2009 13:19:38 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.30.96] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 20 May 2009 20:19:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 20:19:06 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090520.131906.13084.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:3592548630 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Broadcasters seeking bailouts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=Uh0HwAWGr31Z2vwHoRzG-Sz-icDqIlgQOkjfh9znVg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn High-ranking House Members are urging the Treasury Department to prop up mi= nority-owned broadcasters suffering from a lack of capital and lost adverti= sing revenue amid the economic slump. 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Butterfield (N.C.), Barbara Le= e (Calif.), Lynn Woolsey (Calif.) and Bennie Thompson ( From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed May 20 15:01:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95395 invoked from network); 20 May 2009 22:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 May 2009 22:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2009 22:01:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91829 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2009 22:01:06 -0000 Message-ID: <469538.90462.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: kofPieMVM1kAYWMDnL3KjP2KhXbYKihkapwhv3AZlbyM2Ybth2w5nCRK0DgM8MWUa11UhviKX1GDLpxh7UDrkUe6XvaM5Ht.IAdf.rrfGA2WhwlyQtKe_IJH0we5fxI3bkGcim2qTsY2KUi6uAk4Ls_ge6xMdev89aCKVnU50zQhFoNgs10ByEdMuADkuZ0g3YdLkuWcblQ.1qcoUynb2p9FdMqAuxsr8rzdfo1esZDmnf2mWKMNbwjhENkyC1Ulc5R0pODPvMQEAeyfBfclT0iLuEgHL4UKe35WggJN5BpbjlVKvOWavGlQYGxWpczKYy.UpiIiaEhVNJU9WK65xQoOoxOy4Kg- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 May 2009 15:00:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:00:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panama chooses the BUZZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=5YU9I60XE6vA9xZRFkG_dun7G0u1DjnQNHUGFBKndrWcGw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mexico is using it? =A0OH GREAT! =A0Just what we need, border BUZZERS! =A0H= eaven help us if XEG, XERF, or XEROK goes IBOC. =A0G --- On Wed, 5/20/09, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} Panama chooses the BUZZ To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 10:52 AM =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Panama chooses the iBiquity 'HD' Radio IBOC standard for radio, says = CEO Bob Struble at the developer iBiquity. Stations in some other countries= in the region are also using 'HD' Radio, including Mexico. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed May 20 18:31:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88484 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 01:31:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 01:31:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.243) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 01:31:02 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c2so473058anc.28 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 18:30:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.251.6 with SMTP id y6mr3945137anh.44.1242869402537; Wed, 20 May 2009 18:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from dialup-4.154.35.246.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net (dialup-4.154.35.246.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1666256yxj.47.2009.05.20.18.29.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 20 May 2009 18:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3368AD49-63EC-4C79-82DD-9A60A89BE37D@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <469538.90462.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 21:01:06 -0400 References: <469538.90462.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.243 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panama chooses the BUZZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=hDD1WDQMrMMBOucsMPEgLj4InbcmBBfExYaKT3AyXaKDcVK9myP8b6_3NULoPg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 20, 2009, at 6:00 PM, george russell wrote: > Heaven help us if XEG, XERF, or XEROK goes IBOC. XEROK is. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu May 21 07:03:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21403 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 14:02:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2009 14:02:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2009 14:02:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61620 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2009 14:02:58 -0000 Message-ID: <805292.8872.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dPNn2toVM1mR0gkUoWzC.0cIwHg_gBRsxY7jUqctb02pv6FNgSfqYkWEeVVmZf9PXURlm5gsoPW9dZpoo5zkEmgzW4M9MZxPjkCIRYNCmTypdbysNwINsJgwQrM.4phzwf16QsSEYgqhuLi9EOXMeir35h25ynGNCGOHHfCCzAS9CceaNnDc5tFUuA4A8VNgZ3w2e9mhO58.UJfwShBSSIQsRdTA1gpM70ona8P6ddVcPtK2yj.e41t869oBuLEiQr3FX7LWaqqu4Wc.G0DRVe4oUJIMg.xkuA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:02:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 07:02:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Panama chooses the BUZZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ECLmdjnHE08bfnNy676l4gv63KE0HUH8S3tL78S6q-ORQzOeNKSk9HI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WTF would Panama choose IBOC when then they supposedly tested DRM and DAB? They left out Leonard's CAM-D - Kahn probably didn't want to get malaria going down there to test it out! From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu May 21 20:20:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56625 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 03:20:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 03:20:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 03:20:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58566 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2009 03:19:42 -0000 Message-ID: <648730.57927.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: .aDwx3MVM1laDRyMijTgPt_eHXhKswSu1S_qIZkH11VKjskUGWORyZkXoHYT62aTMv77NsodW.MoaH0FVx8fB8zO.UNZSu9iL9ods.jWAbAdyadva4znsc9b6dVoViY4h4f5sfzZ8fJOmUqL2Jc9yaQeRkvhOFq_qzy8miYYDDB_urSXKMWdu2f43AZ2u.vUm8frIsOeDArPicglpxIezG4ULQRgct1z5oMjHRKUCcwFUCjel.aG385V9AqFz3MDXUcebaTk2bYUHGl9m75T__TE9W435sa1acrflsYp7FeW.q10b7Q1vVKpshI- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 May 2009 20:19:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:19:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panama chooses the BUZZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=xr_y-Js3Xk5AIxLCts8BXW5CjIf4n4iHAarr_BoQfdoNGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now my heart is broken...the once great X-ROK 80 gone dig-digi-dig- =A0I ca= n't even say it.Time to turn in my chips and call it quits...turntables rep= laced by CDs, carts on hard-drive,transistor finals in the box, the peacock= has just days to live, and folks think I'm insane when I talk about SQ vs.= QS...I'm too old for this!I shall make my pilgrimage to the ruins of the X= ERA hacienda, play a Marvin Gaye hit in memory of Wolfman...and then beg th= e good Lord to beam me up...life is just no fun anymore. Been nice knowing = y'all...G --- On Wed, 5/20/09, KJ4HYD wrote: From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Panama chooses the BUZZ To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 9:01 PM =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On May 20, 2009, at 6:00 PM, george russell wrote: > Heaven help us if XEG, XERF, or XEROK goes IBOC. XEROK is. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri May 22 05:47:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95438 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 12:47:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 12:47:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 12:47:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91619 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2009 12:46:49 -0000 Message-ID: <34515.89066.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QFFpU20VM1l8ooDbP.Tqv4uSWCO.Pdfh3jVi6urCtkse4VFrnvVb1Jnklgk9szyg1g1AYeVbiM1HTGQDImDk75OXQ.uyVfMs3mMCYvlQ18ILXM1BuqhWalOSMpYkGnvGr7WrSzpmHEMCB901cD55724C80in.DGrWshHn2xO3hsITf1PpyoZky3PM8uW_yeRBVLu8M5iLbOLWzvHL1upXJ9L1iba2PMUlzHPEH7Wet5sTZ_GrYNQ76K7YXii91TL5LP7FM6h3dVa346ifQ52Hl9z9KC._qXkVUs- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 May 2009 05:46:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 05:46:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: George, Hang in there buddy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=JS4FNawi5z7U16MJrCag0zdldbEcnR_Ug8aWnaxcT5uWdmEKore9lks X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio George, There is a resurgence in vinyl, and several re-releases (albeit at $20 a piece) of classic releases on 33-1/3 RPM records again. Radio Shack still offers a turntable (with a USB port). AM still exists in analog form. I would have thought the economic slowdown would have killed-off IBOC, but we'll see how long that takes. Remember, some of the IBOC radios CAN deocde CQuam, and the IBOC radios have a pretty good anti-IBOC filter in them to kill-off adjacent channel hash on AM. So, get out a Beatles "HELP" LP, run it into your Alfredo Lite or APSiSYS CQuam transmitter and listen on your AM stereo radio to so real music the way it was meant to be heard. 73's John PS: Radio Shack has their belt-drive turntable (no usb) on clearance for $25, so that's worth looking for! From w6yn@juno.com Fri May 22 08:45:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78443 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 15:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 15:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 15:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail06.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.146]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFBPUDYADYKF9J for (sender ); Fri, 22 May 2009 08:44:54 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDzXeADXYFxUjDXlnNBVxVwY= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail06.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PG66Y7TT; Fri, 22 May 2009 08:44:45 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.30.96] by webmail06.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:44:22 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:44:22 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090522.084422.990.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:189741340 X-MAIL-INFO:2e055185a060c9906060902960e9b5c51da15084509934c5bdd4cd7d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.146|webmail06.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Music out this year - No WABC Musicradio 77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=mnNUzZnvAchXTmdaIhI0XYYJ7B7YbXqkN9iWmXxA2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn This Memorial Day, WABC's usual =93Rewound=94 tribute to Musicradio 77 won= =92t be on 770. New PD Laurie Cantillo tells the New York Daily News =93I r= espect the station=92s history. But now that we have other platforms like t= he Internet where we can celebrate that history, it makes more sense for us= to stay consistent with our regular format.=94 That is, stay talk. She say= s =93we=92re the country=92s #1 talk station and that=92s what most people = expect when they tune us in.=94 WABC dropped its fulltime top 40 format in = 1982 but has aired a Memorial Day tribute to its golden age, under previous= PD Phil Boyce.=20 Daily News columnist David Hinckley says this year=92s edition produced by = Johnny Donovan with fresh material unearthed by Herb Squire will air online= at WABCRadio.com and on the HD-3 channel of Citadel sister WPLJ (95.5). From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri May 22 14:15:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17462 invoked from network); 22 May 2009 21:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 May 2009 21:15:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2009 21:15:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19522 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2009 21:15:18 -0000 Message-ID: <537450.18818.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: cykUoXUVM1mw.S0igvajN3tlEMKn.E7Nyq1uZw6LTGdrAgVfaWMrXG.Wa41VIIVFqAT5Ej8Fd1.jAdLjtAo5Pqzpe1oHcoyWaau9W6C8EnrlxlrdB9GH2FF_WaTcJWhOgvDmxMkrJf9SAXRvLAuZOUY0iPscnFQqnbBtOS7PTYhTIrT5nzN6xw_YohtupbjrpkzcQ66EtOmiWfKl4.bPZEegCXTgKapSMfnuFoxsbbOsu4dTS8IRMtEoxaTol5STT_d5tmf3d.QWQ9JmHI.yVMOLysS1i82Fl.fXMmq5ca0opaU96H9hd7WMGwjmh2CsLmPMJiEXnaUV.2o8zQ4xTVT20Zc.MVtKMkZDm4KaeIx4nuMfWX9BfAB0IdpxMHn3.lTP X-Received: from [76.226.83.227] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 May 2009 14:15:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:15:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} George, Hang in there buddy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=wlhAROzi4eD5k9TxoV0nS7l51iHcCtcpx2awedsQEyqqJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, John.=A0 Yeah, I guess old fogeys like me sometimes feel like the w= orld is spinning out of control, and it is dizzying how things we thought w= ere great inventions are relagated to the dust bin. =A0 I shall follow your advice, with one addition, I will play an old Enoch Lig= ht album in QS, then listen on my little SFR-A100, fed through a decoder...= just so I can say I DID broadcast in AM Quadraphonic! =A0 Regards,=A0=20 =A0 George --- On Fri, 5/22/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} George, Hang in there buddy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 8:46 AM George, There is a resurgence in vinyl, and several re-releases (albeit at $20 a pi= ece) of classic releases on 33-1/3 RPM records again. Radio Shack still off= ers a turntable (with a USB port). AM still exists in analog form. I would = have thought the economic slowdown would have killed-off IBOC, but we'll se= e how long that takes. Remember, some of the IBOC radios CAN deocde CQuam, = and the IBOC radios have a pretty good anti-IBOC filter in them to kill-off= adjacent channel hash on AM. So, get out a Beatles "HELP" LP, run it into your Alfredo Lite or APSiSYS C= Quam transmitter and listen on your AM stereo radio to so real music the wa= y it was meant to be heard. 73's John PS: Radio Shack has their belt-drive turntable (no usb) on clearance for $2= 5, so that's worth looking for! =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri May 22 20:16:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41067 invoked from network); 23 May 2009 03:16:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 May 2009 03:16:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2009 03:16:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88492 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2009 03:15:20 -0000 Message-ID: <447283.82118.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: F3rjqIAVM1kS3mkC5hHTY_fAO76TcxU9vi.7k4ub6830ls6JgW962HlDRqU105lFb5.F3Vt.g3oYq2VO6Rj1MHN_OuCw_yk1F6JKLMNjRkjYaiw.WJ6CgumN_YRPWE135xPD024_lxzBna0u30FqUpBVYsHSWJU6yNCPnaRH3zIg7kM2RXeUk1t3vw5NaNE8GrC9TXGM1dZr.bXqzncEtlJevukA6vkeAvDVKsS20Zg9jcOzKTj3WD_1X7u._6OrBGRk4T61tXG6a4Xy01_8MoAJgKyGsnbXmRDAfoQ_0xQNEbUwwwb8t2jeSW51yOnuxGci9YyNlqGZsEuZNP_N3Oe2wsIDpwJ.5i1DqKCUsNbepifKxbM1CiikeE0DdObWzA-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 May 2009 20:15:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:15:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Music out this year - No WABC Musicradio 77 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=dDr_dOdqGyVvvMYR491IJgnycxNFzjs069NaxDy6zNMYHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On the internet...or HD-3? =C2=A0Gee, now what do those two have in common?= =C2=A0Ahah! Low bit rate artifacts! =C2=A0IMHO, they should have keep the = old PD, would it hurt so much to vary from the yak-yak for just part of one= day? =C2=A0G=C2=A0 --- On Fri, 5/22/09, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} Music out this year - No WABC Musicradio 77 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 11:44 AM =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 This Memorial Day, WABC's usual =E2=80=9CRewound=E2=80=9D tribute to = Musicradio 77 won=E2=80=99t be on 770. New PD Laurie Cantillo tells the New= York Daily News =E2=80=9CI respect the station=E2=80=99s history. But now = that we have other platforms like the Internet where we can celebrate that = history, it makes more sense for us to stay consistent with our regular for= mat.=E2=80=9D That is, stay talk. She says =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=99re the count= ry=E2=80=99s #1 talk station and that=E2=80=99s what most people expect whe= n they tune us in.=E2=80=9D WABC dropped its fulltime top 40 format in 1982= but has aired a Memorial Day tribute to its golden age, under previous PD = Phil Boyce.=20 Daily News columnist David Hinckley says this year=E2=80=99s edition produc= ed by Johnny Donovan with fresh material unearthed by Herb Squire will air = online at WABCRadio.com and on the HD-3 channel of Citadel sister WPLJ (95.= 5). =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon May 25 22:18:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45183 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 05:17:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2009 05:17:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 05:17:54 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail06.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.146]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFBY84EA2KV6F2 for (sender ); Mon, 25 May 2009 22:16:52 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9JFraixCCuBTjEINiqT200= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail06.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PHGCLKF5; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:15:52 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.30.96] by webmail06.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 26 May 2009 05:15:23 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 05:15:23 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090525.221523.20409.1@webmail06.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:1628155533 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.146|webmail06.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: FCC investigates Arbitron's PPM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=LsQ5Let_9zHFAESy4zVvArunVQPfhEu5G9O8FHFyGA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The President's philosophy dictates that when the news is bad, shoot the me= ssenger. The newest data from Arbitron, the company charged with measuring= the size of radio audiences, suggests that listenership to hip hop, inner = city, and minority radio has been overstated in the past and that the popul= arity of conservative talk radio has been under-reported. This conclusion - ideologically inconvenient for the Prez - comes from the = company's decision to dispense with the Stone Age way it has been measuring= radio audiences - by hand written diaries based on listener memory - with = modern machines which automatically record what the person is listening to = and for how long. This week the FCC acting Chairman Michael J. Copps announced an investigati= on of Arbitron's radio measuring technology called the Portable People Mete= r.=20=20=20 Arbitron's measurements of audience share are revered like Scripture by sta= tion managers, owners, and advertisers. Traditionally, Arbitron relied on h= and written diaries. Since the diaries were based on memory, they were oft= en faulty. So Arbitron availed itself of new technology in launching its P= ortable People Meter (PPM) - a cell phone sized unit the listener wears on = his or her belt which automatically notes what station they are tuning in a= nd when they switch or stop. The PPM measurements concluded that hip hop, urban rock, and minority-orien= ted radio stations reached fewer listeners and for shorter periods of time = than the diaries had indicated. It found that talk radio had a larger list= enership. The states of New York and New Jersey sued Arbitron alleging discrimination= in its choice of the sample charged with wearing the PPMs. It said that t= he ratings agency, which presumably recruited its sample by phone, was unde= r-representing people without landlines who used only cell phones and hence= under-counted minorities. Now the FCC is launching its own investigation. But almost all political polling is done by telephone and samples cannot in= clude cell phones because one cannot determine the residence of the user fr= om the number. Since survey researchers draw their samples geographically,= they do not know which cell phone numbers are for which neighborhoods. (La= nd lines distribute the first three numbers of an exchange geographically). If Arbitron is flawed, so is all polling, political and otherwise. The acc= uracy of most polling in predicting election results suggests that the flaw= s cannot be too bad. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue May 26 06:14:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77182 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 13:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2009 13:13:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 13:13:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37694 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2009 13:13:16 -0000 Message-ID: <618011.36110.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FwrKolAVM1lXbiLHGyJo59nHhv4.Nv.zW0kRIRThBUBaouL2sU1YHsHq9IqflrTWBA.DGhZU9XqZhJt6X8sq9yykUki_UF0DPj0A823nO.HtGjUfZMg11DbTycsv15enN.QE4b4JDamsW5l0RGuZa7MRHC4Q8aNFQTLsXZZlMO8O4nJsYThZUI6RbMs2Ym1MDFcaoLpeXTDV2NKNTEegCIWsK.MXeiej2gknq6yS.cvP3oQBzK9.MZo2xjk5K6r6w4PrcMeOmh0BeQvAEh3UTA06gaJZT4Fqn0I- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:13:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.3.9 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 06:13:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: re: Arbitron PPM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=o9eKjEGF2I8AlB4lj2wawc5K9ec0KMvR-bcbX0GQEQKnKBd09bYCrrA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Why don't they just take 40% of the sample from Cellphone owners and 60% from landline (or whatever the proper proportions are) and then continue with both diary AND PPM reporting 50/50? Sounds like a pla to me. From mjgrant@aol.com Tue May 26 09:22:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21732 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 16:22:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 May 2009 16:22:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 16:22:22 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imo-m25.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a1c17322cc; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:22:10 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c01.5fed83f3 (32915) for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:21:29 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.137 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC investigates Arbitron's PPM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=L5Wrg-LYFvWxvoYiH98pw0Yx-ZFv9xHtLJkEZ09bqNiLNCn1GNwpLBPuBHMYLx-p X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Portable People Meter only measures what station a radio is tuned into and for how long. That is not the same as being listened to. Some people like me use a radio for an audio night light. What stations live and die by is ad revenue. Ad revenue is greatly, but not entirely, determined by Arbitron ratings. Although you would never convince a media buyer of it, there is, and always will be, considerable uncertainty in whatever system they use. Audience ratings and demographics are not rocket science. I have done rocket science for a living, and believe me, they're not. This is a lawyers' controversy. The FCC has no business in this matter. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377034x1201454326/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=MaystepsfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dav259@optusnet.com.au Fri May 29 02:55:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dav259@optusnet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62913 invoked from network); 29 May 2009 09:55:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2009 09:55:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.140) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2009 09:55:09 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090529095457.NKEW1957.nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:54:57 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090529095421.QTMW2116.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 09:54:21 +0000 To: References: <20090511.084610.10054.4@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 19:54:19 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcnST/FWY96t2A3lQVO+xHzHR05xqQN7DH+A In-Reply-To: <20090511.084610.10054.4@webmail01.dca.untd.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150201.4A1FB0F1.004A,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rRkzEdf6TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU7zhKrM8kMf21jdcNhOPO2UqZqv0X4/Ru+M= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: OZ Digital Radio Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270961947; y=ICWID1gbnZUQVBFJNxyUQpi5M2NpygFkXRSYlB-Ip6Kz X-Yahoo-Profile: dav259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit More than two weeks after the Melbourne switch on of digital radio I got a Dick Smith Electronics brochure (listing 3 DAB+ radios) in the letterbox yesterday and couldn't buy one quick enough. Their city store didn't have the model I wanted so I had to venture 10 miles out to Australia's biggest shopping mall in the burbs to buy the Grundig GDR710DABIP "iPod Docking DAB+ radio". It cost A$258, pretty pricey compared with analog radios but you'd expect prices to drop over time. I haven't had a chance to have a full play with it yet, but have to say it's crystal clear. I printed off several internet reviews of this radio and read them on the tram on the way to the city. Some weren't very complimentary, but NOTHING was going to put me off buying my first digital radio. Very occasionally it momentarily fades in and out, but I expect that's because the techies are still experimenting and the official launch isn't until August. Also, just like digital TV, the digital broadcast is a couple of seconds behind the analog signal so you wouldn't want analog and digital radios to be on the same station in different rooms (something I frequently do). So far I've found the treble a bit too shrill. But apparently you can moderate this. I'll have to read the manual. Of course the speakers are too small and too close together. There is no stereo effect unless you lodge your head perfectly in the middle. In some ways it doesn't sound as good as the much bigger Chris Cuff AMS moderated Sony boombox that was sitting in pride of place on the fridge. It hasn't got the bass, and in a funny way sounds a bit more electronic and hasn't got that warm AM sound. But it's super clear. The sound when I listened through ear buds was SUPERB! It was WONDERFUL to again here Magic 1278 and Easy Music 3MP in hi-fi stereo! What I'm really waiting for is a personal radio (walkman) version. Then I'll be happy. But as yet they're not available. And btw Sony aren't bothering so far with DAB+ radios in Oz. But I expect Sangean will soon come good with something. I'm pretty happy with today's result, as with such small speakers you can't expect much. The radio readily picked up 19 local commercial stations yet some are just copies of others - eg. Magic and Magic+, SEN and SEN2. Eventually all stations can offer two different channels. A few commercial FM stations are doing this. Nova has an alternative NovaNation (party music apparently), Vega has Koffee (which would put anyone to sleep), Fox-FM (nothing to do with Rupert) has "Pink" - a temporary station devoted to some pop star or group who I've never heard of or want to. To be honest - at the moment there's very little on offer to persuade anyone except a fanatic like me to buy a digital radio. Unfortunately our publicly funded ABC radio stations haven't come on line yet. So I'm afraid the Sony boombox is gonna have to resume its pride of place on top of the fridge. I can't imagine having a radio that can't pick up ABC local radio 3LO (the 3rd most popular station here), plus radio National, Newsradio, ABC Classic FM, and Youth Radio JJJ. All commercial free!!! (It would NEVER happen in America!) All in all, I'm happy with my first listen to digital radio. And the best is yet to come ... btw UK Dave, I'll answer your private email when I get time ... eventually. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri May 29 23:27:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76769 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 06:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2009 06:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 06:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2009 06:27:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2009 06:27:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 06:26:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.52 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: OZ Digital Radio Report X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=PWTL7BVDz2w8dj5ylXBgYdKF0Pm1HcDW_rX7evJ_7UBctkZIxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I just wonder if you can/want to do a more detailed test about: Chosing two stations, with the same power (ideally less than 10 KW), one in= AM analog standard mode and the other in AM digital mode, with the same tu= ner device (ideally a car device with analog and digital modes) and taking = the following samples: 1) At 5 kilometers (3 miles) far away the transmitter sites. 2) At 15 kilometers (9 miles) away. 3) At 25 kilometers (15 miles) away. 4) At 50 kilometers (31 miles) away. 5) At 100 kilometers (62 miles) away. 6) At 200 kilometers (124 miles) away. And, at all these points, check for: 1) Audio quality against the background noise. 2) Stability/Steadiness of the signals. 3) Differences between day and night reception conditions. 4) DX interferences. I mean, comparison between the [LOCAL] filter on and o= ff (most of tuners have a LOCAL/DX button). I repeat it would be ideal if the stations have a low power (less than 10 K= W), because everybody knows the digital system is better within the range o= f 25 and more KW, but everybody knows not all the broadcasters (specially i= n the poor latin america area) have enough money to that range of power sta= tions. It is just an idea. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davidson" wrote: > >=20=20 > More than two weeks after the Melbourne switch on of digital radio I got = a > Dick Smith Electronics brochure (listing 3 DAB+ radios) in the letterbox > yesterday and couldn't buy one quick enough. Their city store didn't hav= e > the model I wanted so I had to venture 10 miles out to Australia's bigges= t > shopping mall in the burbs to buy the Grundig GDR710DABIP "iPod Docking D= AB+ > radio". >=20=20 > It cost A$258, pretty pricey compared with analog radios but you'd expect > prices to drop over time. >=20=20 > I haven't had a chance to have a full play with it yet, but have to say i= t's > crystal clear. I printed off several internet reviews of this radio and > read them on the tram on the way to the city. Some weren't very > complimentary, but NOTHING was going to put me off buying my first digita= l > radio. >=20=20 > Very occasionally it momentarily fades in and out, but I expect that's > because the techies are still experimenting and the official launch isn't > until August. Also, just like digital TV, the digital broadcast is a cou= ple > of seconds behind the analog signal so you wouldn't want analog and digit= al > radios to be on the same station in different rooms (something I frequent= ly > do). >=20=20 > So far I've found the treble a bit too shrill. But apparently you can > moderate this. I'll have to read the manual. Of course the speakers are > too small and too close together. There is no stereo effect unless you > lodge your head perfectly in the middle. >=20=20 > In some ways it doesn't sound as good as the much bigger Chris Cuff AMS > moderated Sony boombox that was sitting in pride of place on the fridge. = It > hasn't got the bass, and in a funny way sounds a bit more electronic and > hasn't got that warm AM sound. But it's super clear. >=20=20 > The sound when I listened through ear buds was SUPERB! It was WONDERFUL = to > again here Magic 1278 and Easy Music 3MP in hi-fi stereo! >=20=20 > What I'm really waiting for is a personal radio (walkman) version. Then > I'll be happy. But as yet they're not available. And btw Sony aren't > bothering so far with DAB+ radios in Oz. But I expect Sangean will soon > come good with something. >=20=20 > I'm pretty happy with today's result, as with such small speakers you can= 't > expect much. The radio readily picked up 19 local commercial stations ye= t > some are just copies of others - eg. Magic and Magic+, SEN and SEN2. > Eventually all stations can offer two different channels. A few commerci= al > FM stations are doing this. Nova has an alternative NovaNation (party mu= sic > apparently), Vega has Koffee (which would put anyone to sleep), Fox-FM > (nothing to do with Rupert) has "Pink" - a temporary station devoted to s= ome > pop star or group who I've never heard of or want to. >=20=20 > To be honest - at the moment there's very little on offer to persuade any= one > except a fanatic like me to buy a digital radio. >=20=20 > Unfortunately our publicly funded ABC radio stations haven't come on line > yet. So I'm afraid the Sony boombox is gonna have to resume its pride of > place on top of the fridge. I can't imagine having a radio that can't pi= ck > up ABC local radio 3LO (the 3rd most popular station here), plus radio > National, Newsradio, ABC Classic FM, and Youth Radio JJJ. All commercial > free!!! (It would NEVER happen in America!) >=20=20 > All in all, I'm happy with my first listen to digital radio. >=20=20 > And the best is yet to come ... >=20=20 > btw UK Dave, I'll answer your private email when I get time ... eventuall= y.=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > Ian > Melbourne=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri May 29 23:42:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24326 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 06:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2009 06:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 06:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2009 06:41:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2009 06:41:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 06:41:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.52 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=oRTXtn3P3-4n26pi_C9oa4-_e9MPkCh8GjBl9awhp8bQ2OwTqw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I have been searching for some "general culture" information in Wikipedia a= nd I found something that gave me a great doubt. It is a diagram (I put it on the Files section at the left of the forum) ab= out the opacity/transparency of our atmospheric electromagnetic filter. From the diagram, we can conclude that the "Radio Window" is from around 14= MHZ to around 6 GHZ, leaving out of the full "transparent window" the low = SW bands, the MW band and the LW bands. My problem is because I have some old books about radio and we can read fro= m them that the "Radio Window" is from almost 0 HZ to 50 MHZ (all the LW, M= W and SW bands). So... ??? Does somebody want to light me, please? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri May 29 23:46:11 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66437 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 06:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2009 06:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 06:46:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1243665919; bh=mKDRegYlpEwOiicPKU+O6spKpRUsl26vfaca+3Cnfow=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XEZjS6pO6iNQRnODQUsN12tjGmAEXqVXutXlJKcM9ELEul9t5LYyyOuWlsPVNSlMzA9SVWETKAEMbD/SvEDdYDVkh/qx9S6QWQUSXz/bBm4pbOnhjFpX2tvSxoTbW2zl Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2009 06:45:19 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2009 06:45:19 -0000 Date: 30 May 2009 06:45:16 -0000 Message-ID: <1243665916.8386.6863.w12@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Atmospheric RF Transmittance or Opacity.jpg Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : Atmospheric RF natural filter You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Atmospheric%20RF%20Transmittance%20or%20Opacity.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, jotape1960 From mjgrant@aol.com Sat May 30 01:28:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34882 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 08:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2009 08:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.37) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 08:28:41 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a20ee2e137; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:28:30 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cb9.4cbe84c0 (30737) for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 04:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 04:28:26 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.37 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Pjl2yYeqLGMiXH6HfQCDSRgsag9aDTKNPpFD96of68izKEtpv5s5N04-5oZ0ziQp X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe that is "enlighten", not "light" you, Juan. The Navy uses VLF and ULF frequencies just at the top of the audio spectrum (electromagnetic radiation, not sound) to communicate with submerged submarines. These stations are extremely powerful with massive antennas. Electromagnetic radiation also includes light and cosmic rays. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322950x1201367186/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=MaystepsfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat May 30 11:12:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30268 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 18:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2009 18:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 18:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.196] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090530131117103013500010.0) with SMTP id <20090530131117103013500010> for ; Sat, 30 May 2009 13:11:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007901c9e152$20d0ea20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 13:11:17 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=SlnZWdGsZBHoZn0Cpguj0TGK1T_lXcJITZ5EpD249KJ8K_hY6Fcd X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How old are those other books? We've learned a lot in 50 years so I'd go with the newer data. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat May 30 12:00:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18683 invoked from network); 30 May 2009 19:00:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 May 2009 19:00:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2009 19:00:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29516 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2009 18:59:15 -0000 Message-ID: <82046.28083.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: J90KC3wVM1lzvrVHjkuBkqe6XwmbA0bBaIzXu2EaVz8TNm4_NN.BBNqY_ovYNdgCz4V6bFdMBaBcBHhaQ99zRyINBa8X4v8jG_XGnHM.Nj1Ssli11IgjqgGo7_BKS68S_b2IwD1vwvG.QlHVFJTUTP9A6c.qXC5cfWTbLImZFMtg4ZGvtcEeRGiRN6tpwyi6G4zD0kGtP1oPoB9pPAEg8bZHFh7aaVCkpQLvfp4_9217zYdesdNoSX8Ex_cciU7qPLKiFhg7YFUsqce.s2xn8P2HqJEZUiuqkVlTOTtPoq5qj6ZZwin8T63VPxVN_aRDMU8WiDh3RgJmiLUVLEWz1vsZw0Q5BnFZaBctXANfjQh8FdpP X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 May 2009 11:59:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.12 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 11:59:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=gD3uc-cxyvGyNue7nYJJKq-DCSbSI5hs2Alfrg2nvESrWg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, are you referring to the ELF rigs? =A0Supposed to be a big one here i= n Michigan, never seen it, but was told the antenna consisted of TWO 55-mil= e long runs of wire on poles...and that's still a horribly short antenna fo= r the 76 Hz. it runs on.Hmm, wonder if the tuned circuits use substation tr= ansformers for coils?G --- On Sat, 5/30/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 4:28 AM =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 I believe that is "enlighten", not "light" you, Juan. The Navy uses VLF and ULF frequencies just at the top of the audio spectrum= =20 (electromagnetic radiation, not sound) to communicate with submerged=20 submarines. These stations are extremely powerful with massive antennas. Electromagnetic radiation also includes light and cosmic rays.=20=20 Mike ************ ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2=20 easy steps!=20 (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122132 2950x1201367186/ aol?redi= r=3D http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=3D668072& amp;hm= pgID=3D 62& bcd=3DMaystepsfooterN O62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat May 30 23:08:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34573 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 06:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2009 06:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 06:08:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2009 06:07:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2009 06:07:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 06:07:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007901c9e152$20d0ea20$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.200 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=Ekfb6thKBn-gCaAF4LHZyleVr0kr3GeeJu-9X7TWJussGhK4tg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Well, basically my books are from the 1960's and 1970's decades. The problem is, if the diagram is correct, the MW AM band would be a probab= ly "dangerous" radiation to the earth life and human health. THAT IS THE PO= INT!!! This is a very important issue to all of us. I have a great doubt because the background noise of the LW, MW and SW band= s isn't low or quite, so... I don't know what to think about it. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > How old are those other books? We've learned a lot in 50 years so I'd go= with the newer data. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun May 31 02:39:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83051 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 09:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2009 09:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 09:39:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2009 09:39:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2009 09:39:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:39:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.118 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=d41ORhhN1XBaR-umY9hLc6AE3epnGF8ks4lD1Q0wGGX4Oj3Igg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I uploaded a file, another diagram about the earth natural electromagnetic = filter and we can see (if you look the bar at the top of the diagram) how a= ll the frecuencies below the VHF band penetrate our atmosphere. Which diagram is correct? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun May 31 02:41:45 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95320 invoked from network); 31 May 2009 09:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2009 09:41:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2009 09:41:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1243762897; bh=YkpnacVz2qro9GHeng7ZwLu6XQ+VWNk4RAZL6gaTPnI=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=r+kzeIYb4p2iChw0K7rF9GW1o9S4QSj+gxPiccL7RGbQum4xHR+CZklNyyfa+VOTEKqso+X1PBMQI9KCO+n0BXo5hp8UW5XLzozS8dNJ2djAWKP0JAem+iv20AdlTXYG Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2009 09:41:37 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2009 09:41:37 -0000 Date: 31 May 2009 09:41:34 -0000 Message-ID: <1243762894.5520.44848.w7@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /ElectroMagnetic Spectrum by NASA.jpg Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : Electromagnetic Spectrum and Atmospheric Filtering Effect You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/ElectroMagnetic%20Spectrum%20by%20NASA.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.htmlfiles Regards, jotape1960 From bill_1234321@yahoo.com Mon Jun 01 06:21:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill_1234321@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29595 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 13:21:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 13:21:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 13:21:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 13:21:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2009 13:21:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:21:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.138.142.43 From: "bill_1234321" Subject: Question about Sony ARF-A300. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=335180529; y=WeXGxncwOZOn0lbekSJa7gL9U8tRMVWzXUnAeNhViTLMOoAAfnDX X-Yahoo-Profile: bill_1234321 I'm thinking about ordering one of these from Audiocubes2. But the descript= ion does not specify what type of batteries it runs on or whether or not it= runs on AC power. Does anyone know? From w6yn@juno.com Mon Jun 01 06:27:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66735 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 13:26:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 13:26:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 13:26:57 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFCHX27A2T8WLA for (sender ); Mon, 1 Jun 2009 06:26:53 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2FRIqcpReiDsICp18BiAv4= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PHYN3TZN; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:26:49 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.30.96] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:26:17 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:26:17 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090601.062617.12306.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:3363569422 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: ADJACENT HD RADIO SIDEBANDS IMPACT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=dLrALPZo7mfmUlXuHXvcu5Rs0huHgtt0PNbRr1UX8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn ADJACENT HD RADIO SIDEBANDS IMPACT KSGN(FM) A KSGN listener comments on the negative impact that KCRW's HD Radio (IBOC)= operation is having on KSGN's analog coverage. KSGN operates on 89.7 MHz = and KCRW is on 89.9 MHz, making this a first adjacent channel interference = situation. KCRW is known for running a competent technical shop, so these comments are not intended to reflect negatively on KCRW's operation. This is good "real world" evidence that IBOC is technically unsound in terms of spectral interference matters. To most of us this is no surprise.=20 From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jun 01 10:24:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92056 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 17:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 17:24:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 17:24:41 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a240e6e25b; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:22:54 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bff.5e3bb884 (65098) for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:22:50 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.139 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zMOHTCviyOipM8-BQRFmPM-lSeL61YPdrJ9QUHnhlJds0TQ9aJHsTNRltuTMlnAA X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, I have seen one of these stations just outside Dorado, Puerto Rico on a business trip for Emerson who had a plant there. It looks just like you said, a wire on what looks like utility poles that stretches around the cane fields for 10s of miles. Having attempted to troubleshoot electronic equipment in the vacinity, I can tell you the field around that antenna is astronomical. An oscilloscope is useless. Just as an aside, I drove over to the world's largest radiotelescope at Arecibo. You can imagine what the gain is of a 1000 ft. diameter dish. The observatory not only listens (it's a SETI site), but it talks as well with a 450 kW transmitter and 1 MW planetary radar. It has sufficient power to converse with a similar unit across the entire span of the Milky Way galaxy. That is, if it wasn't for the time the signal would take to traverse the distance. Mike ************** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377040x1201454360/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=JuneExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jun 01 10:40:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89242 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 17:40:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 17:40:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 17:40:13 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a2412122ee; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:38:26 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cb5.56ca6e6f (65098) for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:38:26 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.200 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=n6j-4vbzcwTvL6kjjemlwnk1QX4PB6OyphYsXFdpAptggo7Q9nD6NshhUbxYUzMU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I believe alot has been learned about the hazards of EMR from broadcast stations. AM stations in the U.S. are not supposed to be located in residential areas, at least the high power ones. The problem is many stations which were built out in the boonies 60 or more years ago have now been surrounded by urban sprawl. WLS in Tinley Park is good example. I did notice that KFBK, which has the highest field strength of any AM station in the U.S., has hazard restrictions on their entire transmitter site, not just tower fences. KFBK uses a pair of full height Franklins which theoretically have no RF potential at the base. There was a FM station in Hawaii that was cited for EMR hazard because their 100kW array was only 50 ft. off the ground. A professor I had in engineering school was missing a few fingers from having warmed his hands in front of a microwave radar horn on chilly mornings on a test range during WWII. For some strange reason, he developed cancerous lesions on his hands decades later. There is some question about the radiation safety of regular 60-hertz power near 345 to 750kV transmission lines. With wind power, a new environmental hazard has developed. Very low frequency sub-audible sound from wind turbines. Mike ************** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377040x1201454360/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=JuneExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jun 01 10:41:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50330 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2009 17:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2009 17:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2009 17:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-m12.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a24129f2ac; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:40:47 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c92.4abeb9cc (65098) for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:40:47 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=el5PlNtBs6k70HSKvjdztYEKNXtPEljEsCuHu2GdIVGf2Wb2lsgrYNOi0mw3U1ab X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I believe microwave frequencies also penetrate our ionosphere. Otherwise, satellites wouldn't be feasible. Also, infrared and light obvious reach the surface of the Earth as well. Mike ************** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377040x1201454360/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=JuneExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jun 01 18:01:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53181 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 01:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 01:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 01:01:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98594 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2009 01:01:28 -0000 Message-ID: <273718.98533.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 67J2kJ4VM1mFvKmmDaXmEK4eJPSbcweDqzs67oL3EeODcIXs.dHi8Tzu X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:01:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.12 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:01:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=KSAzeT0O8uU6if9ToJlXLjaq3TbDFx-UAtfoIfCqdPEx4g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WOW! =A0I always wanted to see Arecibo, from pix in the movies, it looks pr= etty impressive.I DIDN'T know it also transmitted, though...interesting! = =A0Maybe Uncle Sam knows more than he lets on? =A0(Guess that comes as no s= urprise to most of us, though!)As for the ELF sites, what do they use for f= inals in those rigs? =A0I pix in my mind either some very big tubes, or a L= OT of TO-3s on a giant air-cooled rack. Or maybe a big alternator, with the= field windings modulated with the data?George --- On Mon, 6/1/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 1:22 PM =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 George, I have seen one of these stations just outside Dorado, Puerto Rico on a=20 business trip for Emerson who had a plant there. It looks just like you sa= id,=20 a wire on what looks like utility poles that stretches around the cane=20 fields for 10s of miles. Having attempted to troubleshoot electronic equipment in the vacinity, I=20 can tell you the field around that antenna is astronomical. An oscilloscop= e=20 is useless. Just as an aside, I drove over to the world's largest radiotelescope at=20 Arecibo. You can imagine what the gain is of a 1000 ft. diameter dish. Th= e=20 observatory not only listens (it's a SETI site), but it talks as well with = a=20 450 kW transmitter and 1 MW planetary radar. It has sufficient power to=20 converse with a similar unit across the entire span of the Milky Way galaxy= .=20=20 That is, if it wasn't for the time the signal would take to traverse the=20 distance. Mike ************ ** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2=20 Easy Steps!=20 (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122237 7040x1201454360/ aol?redi= r=3D http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=3D668072& amp;hm= pgID=3D 62& bcd=3DJuneExcfooterNO 62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jun 01 18:07:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65827 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 01:07:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 01:07:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 01:07:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84241 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2009 01:06:41 -0000 Message-ID: <545320.83337.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: .YVevNUVM1nVNRz31n7U2kAUfBoG65cn1fwdplTr.OxzN.beaGY3KnLpPlJd.R1TsZ1WvPuarIqmym8z1g_toTxr2ixOo.ZGYeC5ei0bjxrwctIHVQVSZ8K9incE02nD4VuO.dLZXpyL2MdIEn_ZP1.fclY9ktgAQqvx0BfkPdBiz5upepucdda1ID7TvXpB14SMIzh6.5e9AKvJHiDJ6fuQZNfmQ8wPnZh4xgFjC8pWAg00CWi_xmW4rjRgRw8CII4wJeLFJBzygP.X2Zaon3hT1SKu5WEP.LT11IzVb2h2uLUFl.09xBpgXVAf.chVH5w.wPudR91pkdQXuo0q.6ZnXfqOwDdFSnZLKDmZcEhO5j1Le47pfKcXmZLCn0Y- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:06:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.12 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:06:41 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=qyiU1jhLf0U39Tu4SJGGRKSJnYhwucCagEWmnvhne1o_5w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've felt one hazard of very-high voltage 60 Hz. lines. =A0A place where I = park to go bike riding has some 500+kV. lines overhead. =A0One day my frien= d parked his van under them, and when we got back from the ride, my feet we= re wet from rain. =A0I grabbed the door handle (metal) to get in, and got a= fairly strong shock! =A0Probably just inductive coupling, it is a big van,= but that was kinda spooky!George --- On Mon, 6/1/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 1:38 PM =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Juan, I believe alot has been learned about the hazards of EMR from broadcast=20 stations. AM stations in the U.S. are not supposed to be located in=20 residential areas, at least the high power ones. The problem is many stati= ons which=20 were built out in the boonies 60 or more years ago have now been surrounded= =20 by urban sprawl. WLS in Tinley Park is good example. I did notice that KFBK, which has the highest field strength of any AM=20 station in the U.S., has hazard restrictions on their entire transmitter si= te,=20 not just tower fences. KFBK uses a pair of full height Franklins which=20 theoretically have no RF potential at the base. There was a FM station in = Hawaii=20 that was cited for EMR hazard because their 100kW array was only 50 ft. off= =20 the ground. A professor I had in engineering school was missing a few fingers from=20 having warmed his hands in front of a microwave radar horn on chilly mornin= gs on=20 a test range during WWII. For some strange reason, he developed cancerous= =20 lesions on his hands decades later. There is some question about the radiation safety of regular 60-hertz power= =20 near 345 to 750kV transmission lines. With wind power, a new environmental hazard has developed. Very low=20 frequency sub-audible sound from wind turbines. Mike ************ ** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2=20 Easy Steps!=20 (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122237 7040x1201454360/ aol?redi= r=3D http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=3D668072& amp;hm= pgID=3D 62& bcd=3DJuneExcfooterNO 62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jun 01 18:42:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11265 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 01:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 01:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.209) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 01:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a24832d4b; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:41:01 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d65.3bc32de4 (65097) for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 21:40:58 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8N6G4LNXlI-WTRogkCZKntX4-9oeIaP5LfHObNDm3dExpSpP00BCtM_drKm1wAHG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, The Arecibo dish is used for a number of things. There is an array of what looks like a dozen or so AM masts located not far from it. The purpose of that array is to "pump" the ionosphere so the dish can detect the response. That array also has massive power. The Arecibo dish is located in natural sink hole in the mountainous center of the island more towards Ponce than San Juan. It's pretty remote. Emerson had a plant in Dorado which is about 50 miles west of San Juan which I visited often. It was considered taboo (literally) to step foot in the plant on the Sabbath and it cost two days pay to play 18 holes at Dorado Beach. So I was always looking for some cheap entertainment. So one Sunday, I drove out to Arecibo. There wasn't anyone there. It was open, meaning the gates weren't locked, but the only person there who was an employee was a watchman. I told him I was an engineer and wanted to look around and he didn't have a problem. It really is an engineering marvel. The reflector is fixed, so it steers by moving the feedhorn which is suspended over it by cables. Its radar maps planets in other solar systems. I am not sure who or what they're talking to with the 450kW transmitter. If ET ever calls us, the folks at Arecibo will be the ones who pick up the phone. It is an impressive site. The total amount that was spent to construct it was about what is spent in Iraq on a single day. Before noon. Mike ************** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377040x1201454360/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=JuneExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jun 01 19:05:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29426 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 02:05:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 02:05:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 02:05:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 20740 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2009 02:05:43 -0000 Message-ID: <258345.20475.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pHl_BtMVM1krXNoI7q3Hf6z.ponPpkpuCLftF4jQ6.dR8mUJx87HLBfFkQiOrDeNtz1c0QGnjn8YEqHQAARxH9zAmC5IY4qs6ECzauJYDDYrZCjYiTava5XHGJxWxkdpqy9qDSPFruWTzVMZI4tKtjOzkVIjcehDWLdxqr3IwnN9v3gopMHtwq4MsubloOEiKrntdom2YJD2ZAGN8uBZ10jiPDkFiMjPhUGwky.V9iW44WwxwT9qA7daSSCLEhWlRZ729ZIkG3a.4IYQr1l2ZRrjmx7cNY7wxVdDMlSscUzBwq0XqPMmb2Wk85W7CHiNhuTWwbPtA1Rgaqfuirdkt8gekswCrMz8iMpbAyDrh1ZGQEftbRoVa2bVi53NA_Y- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:05:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.12 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 19:05:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=kbYaUuUi82Jq3SFYBWZl0k9wMmjnHJU758IbjdT68sCbXw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fascinating stuff, Mike...I hope I get to see it someday! =A0G --- On Mon, 6/1/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 9:40 PM =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 George, The Arecibo dish is used for a number of things. There is an array of what= =20 looks like a dozen or so AM masts located not far from it. The purpose of= =20 that array is to "pump" the ionosphere so the dish can detect the response.= =20=20 That array also has massive power. The Arecibo dish is located in natural sink hole in the mountainous center= =20 of the island more towards Ponce than San Juan. It's pretty remote.=20=20 Emerson had a plant in Dorado which is about 50 miles west of San Juan whic= h I=20 visited often. It was considered taboo (literally) to step foot in the pla= nt=20 on the Sabbath and it cost two days pay to play 18 holes at Dorado Beach. = So=20 I was always looking for some cheap entertainment. So one Sunday, I drove= =20 out to Arecibo. There wasn't anyone there. It was open, meaning the gates= =20 weren't locked, but the only person there who was an employee was a=20 watchman. I told him I was an engineer and wanted to look around and he di= dn't have=20 a problem.=20=20 It really is an engineering marvel. The reflector is fixed, so it steers=20 by moving the feedhorn which is suspended over it by cables. Its radar map= s=20 planets in other solar systems. I am not sure who or what they're talking= =20 to with the 450kW transmitter.=20=20 If ET ever calls us, the folks at Arecibo will be the ones who pick up the= =20 phone. It is an impressive site. The total amount that was spent to construct it= =20 was about what is spent in Iraq on a single day. Before noon. Mike ************ ** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy=20 Steps!=20 (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122237 7040x1201454360/ aol?redi= r=3D http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=3D668072& amp;hm= pgID=3D 62& bcd=3DJuneExcfooterNO 62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jun 01 19:08:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51413 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 02:08:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 02:08:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 02:08:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 02:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 02:07:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:07:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.78 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=B4eC-bF1PKjP7ZHLhXE29gnXEnpWPWEGpwqHOhzQH8UVO1USVQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! That is my basic doubt, where can I get a real source about which are the "= penetrator" frecuencies and which not. Microwaves are dangerous, in many waves. Mankind can manipulate it but with= a positive and confirmed health risk. The same to the giant power 50-60 HZ= power lines. The question is: Regardless the power, Are the MW frecuencies dangerous to = the human health? The same question to the LW, SW, VHF and UHF bands. Any idea, please let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > I believe microwave frequencies also penetrate our ionosphere. Otherwise= ,=20 > satellites wouldn't be feasible. Also, infrared and light obvious reach = the=20 > surface of the Earth as well. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2=20 > Easy Steps!=20 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377040x1201454360/aol?redir= =3Dhttp://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=3D668072&hmpgID= =3D62& > bcd=3DJuneExcfooterNO62) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jun 01 19:11:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51658 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 02:11:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 02:11:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 02:11:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 02:11:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 02:11:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:11:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.78 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6NjPhVo56GCYrKnOCxiD0Rz9b3k16b0w9-GUm9AfEOjsFlnI-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 With all my respect, I think if some ET really wants to speak with us, I re= ally doubt he/she needs an electronic-mechanical device to do it. I guess t= hey are more advanced than us. Just my humble opinion. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > George, >=20 > The Arecibo dish is used for a number of things. There is an array of wh= at=20 > looks like a dozen or so AM masts located not far from it. The purpose o= f=20 > that array is to "pump" the ionosphere so the dish can detect the respons= e.=20=20 > That array also has massive power. >=20 > The Arecibo dish is located in natural sink hole in the mountainous cente= r=20 > of the island more towards Ponce than San Juan. It's pretty remote.=20=20 > Emerson had a plant in Dorado which is about 50 miles west of San Juan wh= ich I=20 > visited often. It was considered taboo (literally) to step foot in the p= lant=20 > on the Sabbath and it cost two days pay to play 18 holes at Dorado Beach.= So=20 > I was always looking for some cheap entertainment. So one Sunday, I drov= e=20 > out to Arecibo. There wasn't anyone there. It was open, meaning the gat= es=20 > weren't locked, but the only person there who was an employee was a=20 > watchman. I told him I was an engineer and wanted to look around and he = didn't have=20 > a problem.=20=20 >=20 > It really is an engineering marvel. The reflector is fixed, so it steers= =20 > by moving the feedhorn which is suspended over it by cables. Its radar m= aps=20 > planets in other solar systems. I am not sure who or what they're talkin= g=20 > to with the 450kW transmitter.=20=20 >=20 > If ET ever calls us, the folks at Arecibo will be the ones who pick up th= e=20 > phone. >=20 > It is an impressive site. The total amount that was spent to construct = it=20 > was about what is spent in Iraq on a single day. Before noon. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************** > An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy=20 > Steps!=20 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377040x1201454360/aol?redir= =3Dhttp://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=3D668072&hmpgID= =3D62& > bcd=3DJuneExcfooterNO62) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 01 22:27:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36154 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2009 05:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2009 05:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2009 05:26:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 05:26:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2009 05:26:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:26:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.16.135.238 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: Question about Sony ARF-A300. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=c4dGYxcflAQG4zpWMhX74MSsjhIRGFZ_PneBGQ2vXUlNYBURswknf4un56gaBT78Km0qPhxb X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bill_1234321" wro= te: > > I'm thinking about ordering one of these from Audiocubes2. But the descri= ption does not specify what type of batteries it runs on or whether or not = it runs on AC power. Does anyone know? > Hi Bill I have a Sony SRF A300 and yes it dose just fine on 110 vac and it = takes 4 AA batteres. You don't have to take the batterys out when pluging = in 110 v.It also has a one hour timer for the radio . Very nice sound and y= ou get the right hook up for it you can put the sound out to a bigger stere= o amp. Remeber to put the volume at about 3 and run the main volume on your= amp. Jim Smith=20 From kevtronics@yahoo.com Wed Jun 03 12:28:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26716 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2009 19:27:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2009 19:27:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2009 19:27:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2009 17:39:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2009 17:39:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:45:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Announce: yes X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.79.112.100 From: "Kevin T." Subject: AM Stereo Web Site NEW LOCATION - please update your links! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=DYR0e34yGsH6Q-yz7HjPRPucrSHyWV5BVzrGgUBNYSWwy_XMoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Due to the impending shutdown of CompuServe on June 29th, 2009, after over = a decade of being at the same place, I am being forced to move the AM Stere= o Web Site to a new server. This transition is now complete, and the main = http://AMStereo.s5.com site is already redirecting to the new server. The = direct link is now: http://mysite.verizon.net/tekel/amstereo/ PLEASE CHANGE ALL REMAINING OLD LINKS. The CompuServe Ourworld site will b= e shut down for good after June 29th! However, the files hosted by CompuSe= rve will remain accessible right up until the end, and I will post a warnin= g message will on the Ourworld page for those who still end up following an= old link before June 29th. My CompuServe e-mail address will remain functional after June 29th, but pl= ease do not use it if you are reading this. Please contact me through my Y= ahoo e-mail accounts -- either kevtronics or amstereoexp @ yahoo.com. Thanks for your attention and continued support! Kevin Tekel Founder of The AM Stereo Web Site and The AM Stereo Forum http://AMStereo.s5.com From bill_1234321@yahoo.com Wed Jun 03 12:52:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill_1234321@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21403 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2009 19:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2009 19:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2009 19:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2009 18:00:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jun 2009 17:59:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:30:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.138.142.43 From: "bill_1234321" Subject: Re: Question about Sony ARF-A300. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=335180529; y=eQ9R9DRVFvWhjAb2yN9mc9CQ3gUeoMl0fixeV4L2F4c8IFH0-v3- X-Yahoo-Profile: bill_1234321 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jimsmith95650@..." wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bill_1234321" wrot= e: > > > > I'm thinking about ordering one of these from Audiocubes2. But the desc= ription does not specify what type of batteries it runs on or whether or no= t it runs on AC power. Does anyone know? > > > Hi Bill I have a Sony SRF A300 and yes it dose just fine on 110 vac and i= t takes 4 AA batteres. You don't have to take the batterys out when plugin= g in 110 v.It also has a one hour timer for the radio . Very nice sound and= you get the right hook up for it you can put the sound out to a bigger ste= reo amp. Remeber to put the volume at about 3 and run the main volume on yo= ur amp. Jim Smith > Thanks Jim. From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jun 05 08:21:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8251 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2009 15:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2009 15:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m27.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.8) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 15:20:56 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a2937b428b; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:20:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bc3.4a2328ae (48576) for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:20:56 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.139 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.8 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8Wu2__uptNRxgS9YMtCeh2gAUcUcmXVO99gkbcY4nm8o6rSo0KIReq1K1D6EiqA_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan, There is something call the Planck equation which states the energy carried= =20 by a single photon is directly proportional to the frequency and inversely= =20 proportional to the wavelength. Why high frequency, as in UV, X, and cosmic rays are dangerous is that the= =20 energy of the photons which compromise them exceed the binding energy that= =20 holds DNA together. That damages the code the DNA carries making mutations= =20 possible. Most don't survive and die. So do to go on to become immortal. = =20 Those are cancers. Any strong field is dangerous. That is why FM and TV stations must have=20 their centers of radiation high about the ground. I am not certain AM is a= ll=20 that safe when talking about 10kW and higher close in. Mike ************** Mortgage rates dropped. Record lows. $200,000 for=20 $1,029/mo Fixed. LendingTree=AE=20 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627882x1201465404/aol?redir=3D= http:%2F%2Fwww.lendingtree.com%2Fborrower%2Falliance%2Ffr om.asp%3Fwhereto%3Dpromopagev3%26promo%3D00279%26loan%5Ftype%3D2%26source%3= D 2889570%26esourceid%3D2889570%26800num%3D1%2D800%2D289%2D3915%26AdType%3D2) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jun 05 08:25:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58830 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2009 15:25:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2009 15:25:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.210) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 15:25:40 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a2938a920a; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:24:25 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c3a.5256ec3d (48576) for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:24:54 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=S_NyLbnF0x77O3crk-_8tGPwiHGikG1Ixl2DLb3zTd6YDKoszo0QaZQfdwA4evur X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 6/1/2009 9:11:44 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > With all my respect, I think if some ET really wants to speak with us, I= =20 > really doubt he/she needs an electronic-mechanical device to do it. I gue= ss=20 > they are more advanced than us. >=20 Actually, I believe if some super advanced civilization sent us a message=20 that was picked up at Aercibo or elsewhere, it would be in glorious Motorol= a=20 CQUAM AM stereo. You don't think some Illinois farmer invited it on his=20 own? He translated it from crop circles! Mike ************** Mortgage rates dropped. Record lows. $200,000 for=20 $1,029/mo Fixed. LendingTree=AE=20 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627882x1201465404/aol?redir=3D= http:%2F%2Fwww.lendingtree.com%2Fborrower%2Falliance%2Ffr om.asp%3Fwhereto%3Dpromopagev3%26promo%3D00279%26loan%5Ftype%3D2%26source%3= D 2889570%26esourceid%3D2889570%26800num%3D1%2D800%2D289%2D3915%26AdType%3D2) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jun 05 16:45:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9743 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2009 23:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2009 23:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 23:45:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2009 23:44:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2009 23:44:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:44:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.114 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=iBF-QJRCiawIbDBY46gshVyfWcW_9CxrE6_MtJ6tH7qXr2Mvug X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thanks a lot for your data!!! I wonder what the broadcasters could do when they originally were out of th= e cities and the cities grow up to their stations transmitter sites, even s= urround it. It is like some airports, which originally were out of the cities and now a= re surrounded by houses. Well, I guess "my" 1 KW AM TX is still safe for me and my neighbourhood. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > There is something call the Planck equation which states the energy carri= ed=20 > by a single photon is directly proportional to the frequency and inversel= y=20 > proportional to the wavelength. >=20 > Why high frequency, as in UV, X, and cosmic rays are dangerous is that th= e=20 > energy of the photons which compromise them exceed the binding energy tha= t=20 > holds DNA together. That damages the code the DNA carries making mutatio= ns=20 > possible. Most don't survive and die. So do to go on to become immortal= .=20=20 > Those are cancers. >=20 > Any strong field is dangerous. That is why FM and TV stations must have= =20 > their centers of radiation high about the ground. I am not certain AM is= all=20 > that safe when talking about 10kW and higher close in. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Mortgage rates dropped. Record lows. $200,000 for=20 > $1,029/mo Fixed. LendingTree=AE=20 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627882x1201465404/aol?redir= =3Dhttp:%2F%2Fwww.lendingtree.com%2Fborrower%2Falliance%2Ffr > om.asp%3Fwhereto%3Dpromopagev3%26promo%3D00279%26loan%5Ftype%3D2%26source= %3D > 2889570%26esourceid%3D2889570%26800num%3D1%2D800%2D289%2D3915%26AdType%3D= 2) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jun 05 16:52:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41412 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2009 23:52:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2009 23:52:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2009 23:52:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2009 23:52:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2009 23:52:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:52:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.114 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=9jY_8xbdO1Nf8xRvGg7AjHZajzVQatAkG-8W32LWBaZrHxzodA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!! I guess ETs use the very glorious ISB AM Stereo modulation but with some ki= nd of cryptic Morse code to the RDS. It needs less resources, hahahahahahah= a!!! By the way, in the Arecibo dish are a lot of antennas to different bands an= d, as the dish is fixed in the ground (it can't be moved), the antennas are= moved changing the dish focus. It is a very smart way to get a great and w= ide capture angle with a minimal effort. Of course, up today neither ET signals are being hearing. Maybe they have t= o move the focus to the FCC office and, perhaps, they will hear some new in= teresting signal, hahahahhahaah!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 6/1/2009 9:11:44 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 > jotape1960@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > With all my respect, I think if some ET really wants to speak with us, = I=20 > > really doubt he/she needs an electronic-mechanical device to do it. I g= uess=20 > > they are more advanced than us. > >=20 >=20 > Actually, I believe if some super advanced civilization sent us a message= =20 > that was picked up at Aercibo or elsewhere, it would be in glorious Motor= ola=20 > CQUAM AM stereo. You don't think some Illinois farmer invited it on his= =20 > own? He translated it from crop circles! >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Mortgage rates dropped. Record lows. $200,000 for=20 > $1,029/mo Fixed. LendingTree=AE=20 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222627882x1201465404/aol?redir= =3Dhttp:%2F%2Fwww.lendingtree.com%2Fborrower%2Falliance%2Ffr > om.asp%3Fwhereto%3Dpromopagev3%26promo%3D00279%26loan%5Ftype%3D2%26source= %3D > 2889570%26esourceid%3D2889570%26800num%3D1%2D800%2D289%2D3915%26AdType%3D= 2) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Jun 05 17:38:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87698 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2009 00:38:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2009 00:38:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2009 00:38:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 00:38:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 00:38:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:38:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: oh man!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=B2S-0bDfUoSNuFFJDVzY4ObiIYrKwqNOAnRhB2FH6cGX X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Someone just gave me (read: FREE) 2 mint condition Broadcast Electronics AX= -10 Exciters I am one happy tinkerer right about now!!!! From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jun 05 18:42:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42137 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2009 01:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2009 01:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2009 01:42:12 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-m11.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a29c94f146; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:41:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cde.4b8aba98 (41811) for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:41:33 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ynmD5RZVZP04ALjG_vH7rtWhbYeI8fBL5V7VKZOvW4KVKL5O5xaimz71-9gZMibZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan, The Arecibo antenna can be steered in that manner because the huge=20 reflector is spherical, not parabolic. The only problem is something calle= d=20 spherical abberation which can be compensated for. The ET signal will be in CQUAM as that is the Federation standard. The=20 rumor was the Federation was in the pocket of Supreme, who had a monopoly o= n=20 the CQUAM subspace dilithium crystals used in its Interrocitor kits. Some g= uy=20 named Kahn fought for the ISB system but was marooned on the Seti Alpha IV= =20 system for his efforts. There, he redirected his inventive skills towards= =20 developing a product known as "Corinthian leather" as well as a Carribean=20 resort staffed by dwarves which was like Sandals only without the food=20 poisoning.=20=20 Mike ************** Mortgage rates drop to record lows. $200,000 for=20 $1,029/mo Fixed. LendingTree=AE=20 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222653866x1201461148/aol?redir=3D= http:%2F%2Fwww.lendingtree.com%2Fborrower%2Falliance%2Ffro m.asp%3Fwhereto%3Dpromopagev3%26promo%3D00279%26loan%5Ftype%3D2%26source%3D= 2 889560%26esourceid%3D2889560%26800num%3D1%2D800%2D289%2D3915%26AdType%3D2) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jun 05 19:08:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17881 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2009 02:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2009 02:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m22.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2009 02:08:19 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imo-m22.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a29cf6310c; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:07:31 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c8f.473dc6ed (41811) for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:07:26 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.200 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} oh man!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=kAitkpOY3CJwTUio-Adub-LujxiXYKPIwqX_bUR0QX4OCfXHGMuRFIrUXGsGca81 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Remember what our President said about spreading the wealth around. Mike ************** Mortgage rates drop to record lows. $200,000 for=20 $1,029/mo Fixed. LendingTree=AE=20 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222653866x1201461148/aol?redir=3D= http:%2F%2Fwww.lendingtree.com%2Fborrower%2Falliance%2Ffro m.asp%3Fwhereto%3Dpromopagev3%26promo%3D00279%26loan%5Ftype%3D2%26source%3D= 2 889560%26esourceid%3D2889560%26800num%3D1%2D800%2D289%2D3915%26AdType%3D2) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Jun 05 19:27:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83437 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2009 02:27:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2009 02:27:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2009 02:27:04 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 02:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 02:26:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 02:26:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 02:26:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.14.189.232 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=_4uqGEf-rgqXeB0hYSR2yOK0WTDgJS2fiAR-QV0og6wUGUs X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > The Arecibo antenna can be steered in that manner because the huge=20 > reflector is spherical, not parabolic. The only problem is something cal= led=20 > spherical abberation which can be compensated for. >=20 > The ET signal will be in CQUAM as that is the Federation standard. The= =20 > rumor was the Federation was in the pocket of Supreme, who had a monopoly= on=20 > the CQUAM subspace dilithium crystals used in its Interrocitor kits. Some= guy=20 > named Kahn fought for the ISB system but was marooned on the Seti Alpha I= V=20 > system for his efforts. There, he redirected his inventive skills toward= s=20 > developing a product known as "Corinthian leather" as well as a Carribean= =20 > resort staffed by dwarves which was like Sandals only without the food=20 > poisoning.=20=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 Ahh yes...I remember my first Beer ! The other Juan From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Fri Jun 05 19:29:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60849 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2009 02:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2009 02:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2009 02:29:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 02:29:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2009 02:29:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 02:28:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 99.14.189.232 From: "Juan Gualda" Subject: Re: {AMSF} oh man!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=_g8aElZbCLgaW3-HnfvJFlm8bn7guCnBAhFgCNwnXa_Jrr8 X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Remember what our President said about spreading the wealth around. >=20 > Mike >=20 Or in the case of the last few messages posted............ pass the PIPE around. Now I remmeber why I gave up Drugs...............:-) The "other" Juan From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jun 06 10:01:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45566 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2009 17:01:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2009 17:01:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2009 17:01:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15003 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2009 17:01:34 -0000 Message-ID: <814909.9382.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tnGXssUVM1kQ2CMImf0Mjx_04d1l8pKBSt.jM09oDkyhxMv06jxems8K2uMr3BhCd8Bx_d9i_PuHhH3C2fyMCy_Iao94dmqtKf4ZJFJXdwrE1ALs1n9rHAwnKGnzO78JNmv_9o68uNMPWXZ5LOOuOrD_qaD_ghoUNpBj_gkf8UPrXAyYNEF_zj7WonQTJ5gP6pXbsMfPXatBB2H.7irDR97FhGZ3oZppJ_znA6tId_UufxgdgRHTgOS7MwbfLxiPo7kWiDoRsxqRT9WWUQPdAoMxoQ.9HyNDgAZFSYL1qOr1Y8HP.ldyXUlbRCrvj4AWxcVhls5wiQFgads- X-Received: from [209.213.19.58] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 10:01:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:01:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} oh man!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=vdTuFwka8fFOdiAFUEpX0oAZXkfIGgcp2ujbHRuX5Zw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Can you transmit without it being hooked up to a larger transmitter? And what frequency are they on? I need to find something to cover my house and yard without going to extraordinary effort. I can't do this with the Alfredo lite...at night, as both of mine are on 1000 and the frequency is at least 400 hertz off. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 8:38:26 PM Subject: {AMSF} oh man!!!! Someone just gave me (read: FREE) 2 mint condition Broadcast Electronics AX-10 Exciters I am one happy tinkerer right about now!!!! From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 06 11:21:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18845 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2009 18:21:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2009 18:21:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2009 18:21:06 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.128] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090606132021101679400010.0) with SMTP id <20090606132021101679400010> for ; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:20:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00eb01c9e6d3$99a22c80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <814909.9382.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:20:21 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} oh man!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=kBzmj3zR_lQXMtxH8OBEbhgwur_SSeHvrEyxymC1Po5J_xirmXVR X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd be surprised if it didn't. Unfortunately I can't get at either of mine- the BE is at work and I'm not there. I also have a Motorola 1400 at home which is the same thing but with a different face plate, meters and front panel switches, but it's buried and I can't get at it very easily. But every one of these I've worked on in the past (a Delta and a Harris) has had a composite output which is used for comparison purposes. If that output sounds OK but the transmitted signal doesn't, then you know the problem is in the transmitter. If both sound bad then it's the exciter. Manuals for both AX-10 and 1400 are at the BE website. IIRC thse are no longer manufactured but they are still supported. The nice thing about the BE is that all the CQUAM is done at a fairly low frequency and it's heterodyned up to the operating frequency, so retuning to an uncongested channel is a breeze. In other makes you have to get a new crystal and retune the whole thing. My advice to anyone acquiring one of these is to put new electrolytics into it. These things are old enough to warrant it. As for your problem with the A-L, I had that too. Got so bugged I pulled a dinky little trim cap from a junked two-way radio and put it across the crystal in mine and was able to get it within FCC specs. Unfortunately that rock tends to drift with temperature, so it may be on the mark today but not tomorrow. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:01 PM Can you transmit without it being hooked up to a larger transmitter? And what frequency are they on? I need to find something to cover my house and yard without going to extraordinary effort. I can't do this with the Alfredo lite...at night, as both of mine are on 1000 and the frequency is at least 400 hertz off. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 06 11:23:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26596 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2009 18:23:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2009 18:23:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2009 18:23:21 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.128] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090606132220101925200010.0) with SMTP id <20090606132220101925200010> for ; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:22:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00f701c9e6d3$e09c5700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 13:22:20 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} oh man!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=eIbA_TfBy_rfPoVoMeoFrDmhM9w4pDcsLkzmnTfHASzeNNLFSuSF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't doubt it. Was it someone from one of the broadcast message boards that gave them to you? There's no substitute for just plain old good luck sometimes. Others it depends upon who you know. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Someone just gave me (read: FREE) 2 mint condition Broadcast Electronics AX-10 Exciters I am one happy tinkerer right about now!!!! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 06 12:06:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42060 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2009 19:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2009 19:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2009 19:06:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.128] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090606140516100946200010.0) with SMTP id <20090606140516100946200010> for ; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:05:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018101c9e6d9$dfee5500$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:05:16 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=5q6tHbzKXql2CYwFw8TtIe9Osb9PH9r9yye7yF269cEWS99Ujtri X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it isn't one thing it's another. Seems like every time we solve one problem we create another one. I suppose it still beats freezing to death in the dark of a cave. --- Was that adjusted for inflation? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com With wind power, a new environmental hazard has developed. Very low frequency sub-audible sound from wind turbines. [snip] It is an impressive site. The total amount that was spent to construct it was about what is spent in Iraq on a single day. Before noon. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Jun 07 07:33:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95067 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2009 14:33:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2009 14:33:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2009 14:33:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2009 14:32:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2009 14:32:43 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:32:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00f701c9e6d3$e09c5700$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} oh man!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=biPfCgJuj8diH_MEK5lllc-LdjRlfFjVLVlRsmVEWrFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Stu Engelke From CRTech(I believe). He said that he literally rescued them = from the dumpster. i guess he saw my posting and gathered i like to experim= ent with and restore old broadcast gear. he emailed me out of the blue and = said he had these and i was welcome to them. asked him what he was looking = to get for them he said i can have them. well you know he did not have to ask me twice :) so now i have kevein t's old AX-10 with the gold front and two cherry museu= m quality black faced AX-10's. a Delta ASE 2 An Alfredo Lite (100 mW Ver.) a Harris AMS-G1 I have a Cunningham CM30-50 and a carrier current tuner. and surprise surprise pastor cunningham designed his tx's for CQuAM and put= it in the instruction manual on how to set it up. I just finished restoring a BA System 20 / Series IV Console. here are pic's of the restored console. http://img193.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3Dbaseriesiv003.jpg http://img41.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3Dbaseriesiv001.jpg http://img189.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3Dbaseriesiv002.jpg My Neighbor who makes cabinets is going to custom build some studio furnitu= re for me as well. i don't know how long all this will take, but it will look great when i'm f= inished. i'm thinking cherry wood for the studio furniture and to cover my = 6ft rack. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Jun 07 07:52:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29362 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2009 14:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2009 14:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2009 14:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2009 14:52:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2009 14:52:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:52:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} oh man!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=uyY8Nq30hXHBpH7SWNXVFzfu5b691go-0mOezhHFNShH X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd oh yea i also have a Panasonic VP-8252P Multi Format AMS Signal Generator From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Jun 07 17:42:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36601 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2009 00:42:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2009 00:42:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2009 00:42:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 267 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2009 00:41:49 -0000 Message-ID: <245326.173.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: sC_7lJoVM1n3A8xrt9M7mzci49QQjJdwOMnyYkPmd9NbY.kukXAhqOMIJ05eqRVgdLNjvjoVExmwprjZMh3a3BnbWoK4YZhlu.C0Q6mi_uL0PbYYwDZ1zQY3grTtRZVjN1wzg6Ub.._feLj6nCW2_v3va9wOG4X3105DLcrNP_aBoqOP5hGcbaDfh820sxMxUG4v6ND6K5E_oRWfqrMmSwRxGkbUfZwLH945beE0IZVyn5_ux5_RCjrZlmpqM4xp7F2WQFGFxGlnkRE_SrUzPGhI9o1kI_yE75Ye5rjMuGE0L52jAYod13mRukfsBP1rN3UkHKs13zWH5riZKbgmy_MSVkrcwssTHzoZ59oR6mS2my4LufKW.4bFDZCXjFAkcJj1Vmg- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:41:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.12 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 17:41:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=b2udWciwlDpo_U18Q5NmaH9m7hBBtkfViLRr0or8qOyqEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is that the same Kahn that developed the new lean-burn warp-drive?(I like w= hat they've done to my starship...corrrrr-doba!) =A0 --- On Fri, 6/5/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A basic doubt To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 9:41 PM =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Juan, The Arecibo antenna can be steered in that manner because the huge=20 reflector is spherical, not parabolic. 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(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377042x1201454362/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=JuneExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jun 07 19:24:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76952 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2009 02:24:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2009 02:24:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m23.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.4) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2009 02:24:53 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a2c766418a; Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:24:36 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d57.28f65d96 (42807) for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:24:33 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: A Broadcast Bailout? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=NwkCqY387xITRsLmmwmEB1v6YJIeEwZxt0pPCYsLDldRp08ThENE_NMvZNHnNa_R X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would come as to no surprise to anyone in the group that broadcasting is in serious trouble, especially radio. From Citadel on down to the smalltown mom and pops. Here in Southern Arkansas, the difference between a successful radio station and the ones that aren't is the successful station is still on the air despite losing money whereas the others that are no longer on the air that were losing money aren't. Broadcasting doesn't employ the number of people that the auto industry does nor does it impact the rest of the economy like the banking industry. However, I do believe it is a vital industry. Mike ************** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377042x1201454362/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=JuneExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From bill_1234321@yahoo.com Sun Jun 07 20:49:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill_1234321@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85658 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2009 03:49:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2009 03:49:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2009 03:49:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2009 03:49:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2009 03:49:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 03:49:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.138.142.43 From: "bill_1234321" Subject: Any chance of receiving AM st stations in Houston? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=335180529; y=oiVxHC5GrmnWbnxlsYCKo9mS2GTIQIUxX7dDM0Q9HvdYGXpv1OrM X-Yahoo-Profile: bill_1234321 I've found a few AM stereo stations lists on the internet. But all the ones= I've been able to recieve are broadcasting in mono. I wonder when the last= time those lists were updated?? The only one I've ever received in stereo = is WBAP 820 Dallas/Ft Worth and that was in 2007. Lately they've went mono = also. Are there any stereo stations I may have a shot at getting here in Ho= uston? From bill_1234321@yahoo.com Sun Jun 07 21:20:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill_1234321@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71547 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2009 04:20:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2009 04:20:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2009 04:20:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2009 04:19:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2009 04:19:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 04:19:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.138.142.43 From: "bill_1234321" Subject: How high will the Sony SRF-A300 tune to? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=335180529; y=wDtX97QnUREc3b0a7ky0RuJIPvV5jCE2W-qYO8kLuwZ50G4NDiD3 X-Yahoo-Profile: bill_1234321 I see in the pics the highest number on the dial is 1600kHz, but will it tu= ne a little higher? From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 07 22:33:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35163 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2009 05:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2009 05:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2009 05:33:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2009 05:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2009 05:32:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:32:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.31.52.170 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: How high will the Sony SRF-A300 tune to? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=3UW_JU0QNf0lq9uCidPSA1jjpV6CsfVqykxO6GwXGGJzk3zza7UvmtANTma1F-VHw3hH558B X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bill_1234321" wro= te: > > I see in the pics the highest number on the dial is 1600kHz, but will it = tune a little higher? > Hi Yes all the way to 1700 khz. But you will lose some of your lower dial. = Jim Smith From bclsiciliaclub@inwind.it Mon Jun 08 04:20:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bclsiciliaclub@inwind.it X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10434 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2009 11:20:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2009 11:20:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO cp-out3.libero.it) (212.52.84.103) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2009 11:20:52 -0000 X-Received: from libero.it (192.168.16.58) by cp-out3.libero.it (8.5.107) id 4A2413DA0054D3D8 for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:20:52 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:20:52 +0200 Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: "amstereoforum" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.3 (R1) (B3pl25) X-SenderIP: 151.23.59.17 X-Originating-IP: 212.52.84.103 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "BCLNEWS\.IT" Subject: Broadcast Italia 1485 Khz in C-Quam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111157203; y=6l-oynSvJWOQYm9Xnjpwef9dxGDHldKO4Z18rweddNwa-HvViegNWNI X-Yahoo-Profile: bclsiciliaclub Broadcast Italia 1485 Khz from Rome is now in stereo C-Quam. Roberto Scaglione http://www.bclnews.it From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jun 08 16:47:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21819 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2009 23:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2009 23:47:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2009 23:47:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 70983 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2009 23:47:25 -0000 Message-ID: <95655.70475.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0b_8xDsVM1lvJ5IyVhqyqfboCBnbegehecwuYakbPUD9CIVmONlTekdV61_zNc7KXzbcEXyTskpE_7Fi1y9FnIFBjk._60j8CQ1yHMMIXbJb.C1pRIF9irOrF_jAwfdXezPSPPlVdXJqDw9kNStmswAORQ3pJ_iDoF5KSi7wbQlZJBhON5dghpw5FwyxCVxAxKKYQq.GENC4x7R9nqKwpimewbdUNy3Ejl3MR2EkETPNznEkZ0dYczsDxrLWaOVCL.4BTfCAYzy.js5vvCyvw.jBM6iHR2TH6h2VuLF_xGzYKLkUzrvK3mKjDV3XYIez_0by5oAcKT1nljkWjsZ6RNzXODg7b7gx1EleZ8WPFL_9j8fvRh3ZDgbNO5U.Md.IikUhSwgslbTNTAA.JQ4- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:47:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.12 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:47:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Broadcast Bailout? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=75WyowFyLAIRaAiLgGDPbVo_JRjgfRQRDrmKMTML2e0Qcg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As vital as the auto industry? =A0Maybe. =A0As vital as banking? =A0MORE SO= !!! --- On Sun, 6/7/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: {AMSF} A Broadcast Bailout? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 10:24 PM =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 It would come as to no surprise to anyone in the group that broadcast= ing is=20 in serious trouble, especially radio. From Citadel on down to the=20 smalltown mom and pops. Here in Southern Arkansas, the difference between = a=20 successful radio station and the ones that aren't is the successful station= is=20 still on the air despite losing money whereas the others that are no longer= on=20 the air that were losing money aren't. Broadcasting doesn't employ the number of people that the auto industry=20 does nor does it impact the rest of the economy like the banking industry. = =20 However, I do believe it is a vital industry. Mike ************ ** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2=20 Easy Steps!=20 (http://pr.atwola. com/promoclk/ 100126575x122237 7042x1201454362/ aol?redi= r=3D http://www. freecreditreport .com/pm/default. aspx?sc=3D668072& amp;hm= pgID=3D 62& bcd=3DJuneExcfooterNO 62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 08 23:18:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9271 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2009 06:17:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2009 06:17:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2009 06:17:58 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2009 06:17:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2009 06:17:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2009 06:17:44 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:17:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <95655.70475.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.151.204 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Broadcast Bailout? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=2L51RzfIgfIMM9pUgjdg1xNEvHW334IO07eolrVe82zJLUNG0q1NEEDIhDbaWMvooR_xd2qg X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > As vital as the auto industry? =A0Maybe. =A0As vital as banking? =A0MORE = SO!!! >=20 > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > From: mjgrant@... > Subject: {AMSF} A Broadcast Bailout? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 10:24 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > It would come as to no surprise to anyone in the group that broadca= sting is=20 >=20 > in serious trouble, especially radio. From Citadel on down to the=20 >=20 > smalltown mom and pops. Here in Southern Arkansas, the difference betwee= n a=20 >=20 > successful radio station and the ones that aren't is the successful stati= on is=20 >=20 > still on the air despite losing money whereas the others that are no long= er on=20 >=20 > the air that were losing money aren't. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Broadcasting doesn't employ the number of people that the auto industry=20 >=20 > does nor does it impact the rest of the economy like the banking industry= .=20=20 >=20 > However, I do believe it is a vital industry. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike =20 =20 Hi Mike I would say yes to the bail out of broadcasters for 3 ressons. On= e if it would work better then the wasted money on GM and Dodge. Two if tha= y would turn off that damd iCRAP on AM and FM. Three Thay restore C- QuAM A= m Stereo to the main thing again. Or mandate AM Stereo for all music statio= ns on AM . Thats more like it!!!! Jim Smith =20 =20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 =20 =20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jun 09 04:01:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74616 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2009 11:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2009 11:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2009 11:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2009 11:00:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2009 11:00:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:00:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.178 From: "jotape1960" Subject: IBOC vs DRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=vPQ524TR5Uea8YVt3pBrmalqevnaxmhSnuK0_22Njx4AoMQp0A X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I need some help about the differences and similarities between IBOC and DR= M. Does DRM have the same analog 5 KHZ limitation than IBOC? Does DRM have the same coverage problems than IBOC? Does DRM have some royalties and/or fees like IBOC? What about the prices of DRM and IBOC? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w6yn@juno.com Tue Jun 09 06:48:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66437 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2009 13:48:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2009 13:48:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2009 13:48:17 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail11.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.151]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFC64A6AZDHQVS for (sender ); Tue, 9 Jun 2009 06:48:12 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8RsM0tf6nxUU0m+3CKj/sA= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail11.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PJMBE3NV; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:47:17 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.30.96] by webmail11.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:46:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:46:29 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090609.064629.25824.2@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 16:8:4221668630 X-MAIL-INFO:4d7e339af3f3178e1eea6e175aba9b9be3bee71e0b0febb38e8eb3377beb034bf3c357d7021f3e473e6f43024be39ba76b332b4b9b5afbefcf7e337ec33b07bb X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.151|webmail11.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Broadcast Bailout? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=c3eGW0S-MepHxmLF3tnAI7gG4KnqyatJKmCRIKKRFw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Thanks Jim! When can we expect your donation to our bailout fund? Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Broadcast Bailout? Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:17:43 -0000 =20 Hi Mike I would say yes to the bail out of broadcasters for 3 ressons. On= e if it would work better then the wasted money on GM and Dodge. Two if tha= y would turn off that damd iCRAP on AM and FM. Three Thay restore C- QuAM A= m Stereo to the main thing again. Or mandate AM Stereo for all music statio= ns on AM . Thats more like it!!!! Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > As vital as the auto industry? =A0Maybe. =A0As vital as banking? =A0MORE = SO!!! >=20 > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > From: mjgrant@... > Subject: {AMSF} A Broadcast Bailout? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 10:24 PM =20 =20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > It would come as to no surprise to anyone in the group that broadca= sting is=20 >=20 > in serious trouble, especially radio. From Citadel on down to the=20 >=20 > smalltown mom and pops. Here in Southern Arkansas, the difference betwee= n a=20 >=20 > successful radio station and the ones that aren't is the successful stati= on is=20 >=20 > still on the air despite losing money whereas the others that are no long= er on=20 >=20 > the air that were losing money aren't. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Broadcasting doesn't employ the number of people that the auto industry=20 >=20 > does nor does it impact the rest of the economy like the banking industry= .=20=20 >=20 > However, I do believe it is a vital industry. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike =20 From w6yn@juno.com Tue Jun 09 07:09:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94668 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2009 14:09:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2009 14:09:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2009 14:09:45 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail11.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.151]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFC65J7A6S9LWA for (sender ); Tue, 9 Jun 2009 07:09:33 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD1zu0nuDdgPYfguCoSdLmik= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail11.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PJMCNXWG; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 07:09:04 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.30.96] by webmail11.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:08:17 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:08:17 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090609.070817.25824.3@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:4248320138 X-MAIL-INFO:5e958d3d8d31c139317909a13d70a4a4e04d304524712d71450021ed8125b48d352040f4543920 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.151|webmail11.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: KCBS celebrates 100 years X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=b-WAFMqLHnRx-jtXJkxvMed-x5i7-IWkPPhlodmq3w X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The History of KCBS, the World's First Broadcasting Station From the KCBS Web site: Dr. Charles HerroldThe Bay Area's only all news radio station, KCBS started= out as the hobby of scientist and inventor Charles Herrold. Giving birth t= o the world's first radio station, Herrold and his engineering students beg= an broadcasting regularly-scheduled programming in 1909 on a 14-watt transm= itter in San Jose. Originally, the station simply identified itself as "Thi= s is San Jose Calling." When radio licenses were issued in 1921, "Doc" Herr= old was assigned the call letters of KQW. The station kept those call lette= rs until CBS purchased it in 1949, broadcasting as KCBS at 740 AM on the di= al. News radio was born in 1968, when KCBS became the first all news station in= Northern California. It was then and continues to be one of the top-rated = radio stations in the Bay Area, serving more than a million Bay Area listen= ers each week. In October 2008, KCBS began simulcasting its all news programming on the FM= dial at 106.9, reaching more listeners by combining the power of AM with t= he clarity of FM. KCBS was also one of the first Bay Area stations to broad= cast in HD digital sound KCBS is among the most honored radio stations in the United States, winning= every major national award for excellence in broadcast journalism. These a= wards include the Peabody Award, the duPont-Columbia Award, five Edward R. = Murrow Awards for Overall Excellence from the national Radio-TV News Direct= ors Association, the Sigma Delta Chi Award from the Society of Professional= Journalists, and the Crystal Award for public service from the National As= sociation of Broadcasters. With a news style reflecting the Bay Area's hunger for up to the minute inf= ormation and in depth reporting, KCBS proudly provides the latest national = and international news from CBS, plus local and regional news, traffic, wea= ther, money, and sports updates 24/7. Additional KCBS features include John= Madden (live weekdays at 8:15am), In Depth, 60 Minutes and Face the Nation= ; plus hi-tech, entertainment, food, finance, health, and recreation report= s. As the world's first broadcasting station, KCBS is celebrating 100 years of= news, information and innovation. - For much more on the "Doc" Herrold story and the early days of KCBS, go t= o www.charlesherrold.org=20 From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue Jun 09 07:35:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77186 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2009 14:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2009 14:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2009 14:35:12 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KKZ001TK6W4UP80@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:28:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: To: References: <20090609.064629.25824.2@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:28:54 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Broadcast Bailout? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=BkCAqklbGtBGMoHJz7rh_AtpI2eWxgbx1RSLlHopn3EXdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of IBOC on AM, it's interesting that here in the Tampa area, with the exception of the Disney station, there is no nighttime IBOC transmission. All of the stations turn off their IBOC at night. There was a time that they all transmitted IBOC at night as well as daytime. I realize there are interference issues. If this is characteristic of the industry, and is therefore sort of a trend, it would seem that the industry will indefinitely be broadcasting analog only AM at night. If this turns out to be the case, then it is unlikely that there will be any reduction in the number of analog AM radios being produced, and perhaps very little increase in the number of digital AM radios produced. If all this is the case, the prospects for digital AM don't look very good. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Broadcast Bailout? Thanks Jim! When can we expect your donation to our bailout fund? Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Broadcast Bailout? Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:17:43 -0000 Hi Mike I would say yes to the bail out of broadcasters for 3 ressons. One if it would work better then the wasted money on GM and Dodge. Two if thay would turn off that damd iCRAP on AM and FM. Three Thay restore C- QuAM Am Stereo to the main thing again. Or mandate AM Stereo for all music stations on AM . Thats more like it!!!! Jim Smith --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > As vital as the auto industry? Maybe. As vital as banking? MORE SO!!! > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, mjgrant@... wrote: > > From: mjgrant@... > Subject: {AMSF} A Broadcast Bailout? > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 10:24 PM > > It would come as to no surprise to anyone in the group that broadcasting is > > in serious trouble, especially radio. From Citadel on down to the > > smalltown mom and pops. Here in Southern Arkansas, the difference between a > > successful radio station and the ones that aren't is the successful station is > > still on the air despite losing money whereas the others that are no longer on > > the air that were losing money aren't. > > > > Broadcasting doesn't employ the number of people that the auto industry > > does nor does it impact the rest of the economy like the banking industry. > > However, I do believe it is a vital industry. > > > > Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Jun 09 10:00:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73436 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2009 17:00:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2009 17:00:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f227.google.com) (209.85.217.227) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2009 17:00:07 -0000 X-Received: by gxk27 with SMTP id 27so185442gxk.20 for ; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:59:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.83.2 with SMTP id g2mr248916agb.38.1244566747317; Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.11? (24-177-235-154.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com [24.177.235.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm2717930aga.5.2009.06.09.09.59.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4F75C4E8-8B68-4ACF-B04A-699801EEEF47@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:59:04 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC vs DRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=5Tl6xrp_lRzlojy7KjaQ6IFHGM6DeTgMVqJQZZBFJVDFlQbjiwLMM48ilE9N2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:00 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > Does DRM have the same analog 5 KHZ limitation than IBOC? DRM does have an Analog/Digital hybrid mode like HD-Radio, but it is not widely used. Most DRM Stations broadcast Digital Only with no analog signal at all. > > Does DRM have the same coverage problems than IBOC? DRM has better coverage than HD-Radio > > Does DRM have some royalties and/or fees like IBOC? No, DRM is Public Domain > > What about the prices of DRM and IBOC? They take the exact same exciter running different software. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Jun 09 12:49:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55515 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2009 19:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jun 2009 19:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2009 19:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2009 19:48:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jun 2009 19:48:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:48:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.8.56 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: IBOC vs DRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=ASYfSrVRz_NNr68TZUDwxyzsO0Z_NwHSsVIF-FCBQ4w X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I need some help about the differences and similarities between IBOC and = DRM. >=20 > Does DRM have the same analog 5 KHZ limitation than IBOC? DRM doesn't use an analog path to transmit anything. It does however fit in= side a standard channel bandwidth, as is the case with the +/-5KHz mask use= d at 10KHz MW channels or the +/-4.5KHz for the European 9KHz channels.=20 Can't co-exist with any "analog' component on transmitter.=20 >=20 > Does DRM have the same coverage problems than IBOC?=20 Well, I don't know what IBOC can do on coverage, but DRM has proved its sig= nal quality also to "coverage" matters, all around the globe... since the s= ystem is the ONLY ONE that delivers at Sort Waves!!! All other "competitors= " CAN'T do it at SW at least until now!=20 >=20 > Does DRM have some royalties and/or fees like IBOC?=20 DRM has no royalties or any fees either at installation time, nor during th= e year after, as is the case with IBOC, and at my oppinion that is the most= important part for all broadcasters to DROP ANY "SUBSCRIBING BROADCASTING"= technology they forced to follow! and use globally one system, the DRM, in= the digital future (if it finally happens, :( as planned...)=20 >=20 > What about the prices of DRM and IBOC? Not exactly clear what prices you're asking for comparison!=20 DRM needs a new exciter, and either modification of the transmitter (if it'= s one of the latest analog "technology") or a complete new one. Then you wi= ll have to buy only the encoding software, if your exciter isn't a real sta= nd alone DRM transmitter. After that you're free from any one to run DRM al= l day/year/century long :)=20 Don't have to pay every year just to be on air... ! =20 DRM is IMHO the only system that will be able to survive globally, and for = all radio bands at once... as is already in use at LW/MW/SW & now FM !!!=20 >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 09 22:09:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30559 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2009 05:09:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2009 05:09:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2009 05:09:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2009 05:09:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jun 2009 05:09:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:09:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090609.064629.25824.2@webmail11.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.72.217.54 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Broadcast Bailout? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=YQjjmb5CLiE4Ruyq19bDQ6uV_PYhXst2fr52f_JzN5E2FF6vJkuWQfNVePsJWF91V94dTLqN X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote= : > > Thanks Jim! >=20 > When can we expect your donation to our bailout fund? >=20 > Don >=20 > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "jimsmith95650@..." > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: {AMSF} A Broadcast Bailout? > Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:17:43 -0000 >=20 >=20=20 > Hi Mike I would say yes to the bail out of broadcasters for 3 ressons. = One if it would work better then the wasted money on GM and Dodge. Two if t= hay would turn off that damd iCRAP on AM and FM. Three Thay restore C- QuAM= Am Stereo to the main thing again. Or mandate AM Stereo for all music stat= ions on AM . Thats more like it!!!! Jim Smith >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > > > As vital as the auto industry? =A0Maybe. =A0As vital as banking? =A0MOR= E SO!!! > >=20 > > --- On Sun, 6/7/09, mjgrant@ wrote: > >=20 > > From: mjgrant@ > > Subject: {AMSF} A Broadcast Bailout? > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, June 7, 2009, 10:24 PM >=20=20 >=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > It would come as to no surprise to anyone in the group that broad= casting is=20 > >=20 > > in serious trouble, especially radio. From Citadel on down to the=20 > >=20 > > smalltown mom and pops. Here in Southern Arkansas, the difference betw= een a=20 > >=20 > > successful radio station and the ones that aren't is the successful sta= tion is=20 > >=20 > > still on the air despite losing money whereas the others that are no lo= nger on=20 > >=20 > > the air that were losing money aren't. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Broadcasting doesn't employ the number of people that the auto industry= =20 > >=20 > > does nor does it impact the rest of the economy like the banking indust= ry.=20=20 > >=20 > > However, I do believe it is a vital industry. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Mike > Hi Mike Yes if thay would do thoughs 3 or 4 things!!!! Jim Smith From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jun 10 15:57:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2545 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2009 22:57:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jun 2009 22:57:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2009 22:57:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81756 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jun 2009 22:56:20 -0000 Message-ID: <933093.76483.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7lwhaoUVM1lz0XfnE0mFGdDx8.EdlY0WnfHlQf0aUFbyMrWbCo_y4X..s5AZyPGLV0fiTRyQbHi41vg1pOvx7MmFmHXHwPcfbkie117eIH0eZOow04Oua9EW0oInq3n1Z_f7E_nFkbBSlEzb3xn4LbLaSgC53KtczcEywzC0XT0kMjZ_glZ8bYHldXk92NlGKVLsZIPuIYjGsEgt3jjuPTgkJ1aHDZVmoIZrE.PXaMM5aDdcUSxas9pr4ChGCTDhQ9AvyjL2vzJtLss5boKg3t9PwcECFJGsR2gFuFC57syKJgerK3M7etTgecHmcCOS74Z3N.dIIgZqFaIFo3i4Ss2obWBFYOY5gFe0EWKyi3pvfFY_VUTRBRQopQWdEA0- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:56:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.12 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:56:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs DRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=4xVkY0Ia2U6hcPcsF0qiAMaePOmj2yIugY-jUibjVJSZ_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What about the audio compression? =A0Is it MP3, AAC, ATRAC, Whatever? =A0Se= ems to me it still requires diluting the audio quality with some low-bitrat= e scheme to make it fit.(My biggest argument in favor of keeping analog!)Ge= orge --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Sotiris wrote: From: Sotiris Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs DRM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 3:48 PM =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I need some help about the differences and similarities between IBOC and = DRM. >=20 > Does DRM have the same analog 5 KHZ limitation than IBOC? DRM doesn't use an analog path to transmit anything. It does however fit in= side a standard channel bandwidth, as is the case with the +/-5KHz mask use= d at 10KHz MW channels or the +/-4.5KHz for the European 9KHz channels.=20 Can't co-exist with any "analog' component on transmitter.=20 >=20 > Does DRM have the same coverage problems than IBOC?=20 Well, I don't know what IBOC can do on coverage, but DRM has proved its sig= nal quality also to "coverage" matters, all around the globe... since the s= ystem is the ONLY ONE that delivers at Sort Waves!!! All other "competitors= " CAN'T do it at SW at least until now!=20 >=20 > Does DRM have some royalties and/or fees like IBOC?=20 DRM has no royalties or any fees either at installation time, nor during th= e year after, as is the case with IBOC, and at my oppinion that is the most= important part for all broadcasters to DROP ANY "SUBSCRIBING BROADCASTING"= technology they forced to follow! and use globally one system, the DRM, in= the digital future (if it finally happens, :( as planned...)=20 >=20 > What about the prices of DRM and IBOC? Not exactly clear what prices you're asking for comparison!=20 DRM needs a new exciter, and either modification of the transmitter (if it'= s one of the latest analog "technology" ) or a complete new one. Then you w= ill have to buy only the encoding software, if your exciter isn't a real st= and alone DRM transmitter. After that you're free from any one to run DRM a= ll day/year/century long :)=20 Don't have to pay every year just to be on air... ! =20 DRM is IMHO the only system that will be able to survive globally, and for = all radio bands at once... as is already in use at LW/MW/SW & now FM !!!=20 >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > Best regards=20 Sotiris=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 05:23:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69864 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2009 12:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jun 2009 12:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2009 12:23:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2009 12:23:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jun 2009 12:23:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:23:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <933093.76483.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.8.56 From: "Sotiris" Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs DRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=nNu7rCevZDltlQHoW54wiDSa13BCeMh3UO_B_ofXvnE X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Audio compression used for DRM is currently the AAC+ that provides parametr= ic stereo (yes I know... not the best way, as it is a psychoacoustic mode t= o pass stereo information thru a heavy data compression, but it works). I h= ave done extensive tests here with DRM on MW band, and using just the lower= quality AAC (not the AAC+). The outcome is that you can have a good compar= able AM monophonic quality with it. I'm now in the process to run full DRM = tests using a licensed AAC+ that we have obtained for stereo broadcasting. = If the results of those tests are as expected to be, then the DRM is the on= e system I will follow!=20 I have to say, that I still supporting any analog broadcasting method, as I= MHO both FM Stereo & mostly AM STEREO are excellent for their use! Also I d= o believe that radio should stay analog, and as simple as is right now, so = anyone can make easy enough a receiver ie. for AM, to hear what is going on= in case of an emergency, or "trouble" times (ie. war, global disasters, et= c). History has already given examples for this, as if the digiradio system= s were active back at the WWII no one in the occupied, by the Nazis or Japa= nese, territories, could use a radio to listen to BBC Free radio or AFRS...= even under heavy interference used to "block" them! Well in digiradio is e= ither 1 or 0! You will listen it right, or you will not listen anything (if= it's inside a "noise")! The digital radios have the ability to be controll= ed (even "killed" thru air) easier than the commonb analog ones! I have wor= ked for a major transceiver manufacturer in the past, and have built for th= em the MPT1327 based trunking system that had this ability. "Kill" action i= s when the provider (or any main controlling system) deactivate specific (o= r all if it needed) receivers. The user then can;t do anything! And that wa= s for ANALOG based systems! Digital ones are totally controlable from dista= nce! And because the ON-AIR information is digitally encoded, you're not go= ing to listen anything, no matter how techie are you, and how easy or not y= ou can built a common receiver circuit...=20=20=20 Radio IMHO is the only one media that should stay analog no matter what cos= t has this! The final cost of digitalization of the radio, will be much hig= her, if in the future for some reason (as it happened in the near past) peo= ple need to hear what is going on around, and i'm not refered to a cost of = money!=20 Sorry if I've got far out of the theme..=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > What about the audio compression? =A0Is it MP3, AAC, ATRAC, Whatever? =A0= Seems to me it still requires diluting the audio quality with some low-bitr= ate scheme to make it fit.(My biggest argument in favor of keeping analog!)= George >=20 > --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Sotiris wrote: >=20 > From: Sotiris > Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs DRM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 3:48 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jotape1960" wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > I need some help about the differences and similarities between IBOC an= d DRM. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Does DRM have the same analog 5 KHZ limitation than IBOC? >=20 >=20 >=20 > DRM doesn't use an analog path to transmit anything. It does however fit = inside a standard channel bandwidth, as is the case with the +/-5KHz mask u= sed at 10KHz MW channels or the +/-4.5KHz for the European 9KHz channels.=20 >=20 > Can't co-exist with any "analog' component on transmitter.=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Does DRM have the same coverage problems than IBOC?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Well, I don't know what IBOC can do on coverage, but DRM has proved its s= ignal quality also to "coverage" matters, all around the globe... since the= system is the ONLY ONE that delivers at Sort Waves!!! All other "competito= rs" CAN'T do it at SW at least until now!=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Does DRM have some royalties and/or fees like IBOC?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > DRM has no royalties or any fees either at installation time, nor during = the year after, as is the case with IBOC, and at my oppinion that is the mo= st important part for all broadcasters to DROP ANY "SUBSCRIBING BROADCASTIN= G" technology they forced to follow! and use globally one system, the DRM, = in the digital future (if it finally happens, :( as planned...)=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > What about the prices of DRM and IBOC? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Not exactly clear what prices you're asking for comparison!=20 >=20 > DRM needs a new exciter, and either modification of the transmitter (if i= t's one of the latest analog "technology" ) or a complete new one. Then you= will have to buy only the encoding software, if your exciter isn't a real = stand alone DRM transmitter. After that you're free from any one to run DRM= all day/year/century long :)=20 >=20 > Don't have to pay every year just to be on air... ! >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > DRM is IMHO the only system that will be able to survive globally, and fo= r all radio bands at once... as is already in use at LW/MW/SW & now FM !!!= =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. >=20 > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > > >=20 > Best regards=20 >=20 > Sotiris=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 19:21:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65930 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2009 01:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2009 01:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2009 01:38:25 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2009 01:37:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2009 01:37:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2009 01:37:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:37:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.74 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs DRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=VoXXYxjwz1J3g7gRd3HqEA-jAKg3kwT3kpH1O2rB8DdkhBnuuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Thanks a lot for all of you and your help!!! Sotiris gave us a very good point to think. Whatever, I guess I'll have to test DRM here, in terrain, in the field, my = specific site, to get a very good opinion about it. Of course, after the test and comparing the prices, I guess (and I bet you)= the final results will be... the boss will decide to transmit C-Quam Stere= o, if they decided some change, hahahaahahahaha!!! The only one last point is: Some idea about where I can find some deep tech= nical information about DRM? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > Hi=20 > Audio compression used for DRM is currently the AAC+ that provides parame= tric stereo (yes I know... not the best way, as it is a psychoacoustic mode= to pass stereo information thru a heavy data compression, but it works). I= have done extensive tests here with DRM on MW band, and using just the low= er quality AAC (not the AAC+). The outcome is that you can have a good comp= arable AM monophonic quality with it. I'm now in the process to run full DR= M tests using a licensed AAC+ that we have obtained for stereo broadcasting= . If the results of those tests are as expected to be, then the DRM is the = one system I will follow!=20 > I have to say, that I still supporting any analog broadcasting method, as= IMHO both FM Stereo & mostly AM STEREO are excellent for their use! Also I= do believe that radio should stay analog, and as simple as is right now, s= o anyone can make easy enough a receiver ie. for AM, to hear what is going = on in case of an emergency, or "trouble" times (ie. war, global disasters, = etc). History has already given examples for this, as if the digiradio syst= ems were active back at the WWII no one in the occupied, by the Nazis or Ja= panese, territories, could use a radio to listen to BBC Free radio or AFRS.= .. even under heavy interference used to "block" them! Well in digiradio is= either 1 or 0! You will listen it right, or you will not listen anything (= if it's inside a "noise")! The digital radios have the ability to be contro= lled (even "killed" thru air) easier than the commonb analog ones! I have w= orked for a major transceiver manufacturer in the past, and have built for = them the MPT1327 based trunking system that had this ability. "Kill" action= is when the provider (or any main controlling system) deactivate specific = (or all if it needed) receivers. The user then can;t do anything! And that = was for ANALOG based systems! Digital ones are totally controlable from dis= tance! And because the ON-AIR information is digitally encoded, you're not = going to listen anything, no matter how techie are you, and how easy or not= you can built a common receiver circuit...=20=20=20 > Radio IMHO is the only one media that should stay analog no matter what c= ost has this! The final cost of digitalization of the radio, will be much h= igher, if in the future for some reason (as it happened in the near past) p= eople need to hear what is going on around, and i'm not refered to a cost o= f money!=20 >=20 > Sorry if I've got far out of the theme..=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > > > What about the audio compression? =A0Is it MP3, AAC, ATRAC, Whatever? = =A0Seems to me it still requires diluting the audio quality with some low-b= itrate scheme to make it fit.(My biggest argument in favor of keeping analo= g!)George > >=20 > > --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Sotiris wrote: > >=20 > > From: Sotiris > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs DRM > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 3:48 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jotape1960" wrote: > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > Hi Gang!!! > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > > I need some help about the differences and similarities between IBOC = and DRM. > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > > Does DRM have the same analog 5 KHZ limitation than IBOC? > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > DRM doesn't use an analog path to transmit anything. It does however fi= t inside a standard channel bandwidth, as is the case with the +/-5KHz mask= used at 10KHz MW channels or the +/-4.5KHz for the European 9KHz channels.= =20 > >=20 > > Can't co-exist with any "analog' component on transmitter.=20 > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > > Does DRM have the same coverage problems than IBOC?=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Well, I don't know what IBOC can do on coverage, but DRM has proved its= signal quality also to "coverage" matters, all around the globe... since t= he system is the ONLY ONE that delivers at Sort Waves!!! All other "competi= tors" CAN'T do it at SW at least until now!=20 > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > > Does DRM have some royalties and/or fees like IBOC?=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > DRM has no royalties or any fees either at installation time, nor durin= g the year after, as is the case with IBOC, and at my oppinion that is the = most important part for all broadcasters to DROP ANY "SUBSCRIBING BROADCAST= ING" technology they forced to follow! and use globally one system, the DRM= , in the digital future (if it finally happens, :( as planned...)=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > > What about the prices of DRM and IBOC? > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Not exactly clear what prices you're asking for comparison!=20 > >=20 > > DRM needs a new exciter, and either modification of the transmitter (if= it's one of the latest analog "technology" ) or a complete new one. Then y= ou will have to buy only the encoding software, if your exciter isn't a rea= l stand alone DRM transmitter. After that you're free from any one to run D= RM all day/year/century long :)=20 > >=20 > > Don't have to pay every year just to be on air... ! > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > > DRM is IMHO the only system that will be able to survive globally, and = for all radio bands at once... as is already in use at LW/MW/SW & now FM !!= !=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > > Thanks for your time!!! > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > >=20 > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > Best regards=20 > >=20 > > Sotiris=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jun 11 19:50:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1870 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2009 02:50:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2009 02:50:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2009 02:50:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42000 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2009 02:50:28 -0000 Message-ID: <77027.40649.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: K4BWQ6IVM1kbUkgE5eVlsoY7YdQbTcVvnyQusrJevqSeaV1VlBClO8xZPYayv.qrBnbTdtkGF7OVtjlIDZSg_wr3pvHC3ENQjiATqT7WWr4oPYiZrh1i_dZEqwJXowp4Qz_Z4csopDW4O51aAW_YZ9gNOZVAD1oW3tZW7lsZZ9iDmIo3Y5WXJdUCqM1hazU9vMRHnwpTik3SmkjPUJtk5jsG2.7yUk1g3e7N4CetQlHvAmVxoRmdnwgIjnJaY_wzN66u.tPgRQFN64jQdXDf47csoJGPR_goGaWpa91gopt63aYamRbqfTS2uYDgOgIJOEsuCMBB2Khk_3C_IIkf4rXedDxZNWkLgsHfWEuyrDnI2wUq5dty X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:50:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.12 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:50:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs DRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=yn6enkioubjbtOPo_P-DiOV5T4n0RYkMGXdDpYZYQCQFxw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You got my vote, radio SHOULD stay analog. =A0But then I said that about TV= , too, and tomorrow the peacock I've known and loved since a child is getti= ng the ax.What a shame, 55 years of improvement to the NTSC system, now bei= ng flushed down the toilet, just so the FCC can auction off the channels.Ho= pe that NEVER happens to AM radio!!!George --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Sotiris wrote: From: Sotiris Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs DRM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 8:23 AM =20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi=20 Audio compression used for DRM is currently the AAC+ that provides parametr= ic stereo (yes I know... not the best way, as it is a psychoacoustic mode t= o pass stereo information thru a heavy data compression, but it works). I h= ave done extensive tests here with DRM on MW band, and using just the lower= quality AAC (not the AAC+). The outcome is that you can have a good compar= able AM monophonic quality with it. I'm now in the process to run full DRM = tests using a licensed AAC+ that we have obtained for stereo broadcasting. = If the results of those tests are as expected to be, then the DRM is the on= e system I will follow!=20 I have to say, that I still supporting any analog broadcasting method, as I= MHO both FM Stereo & mostly AM STEREO are excellent for their use! Also I d= o believe that radio should stay analog, and as simple as is right now, so = anyone can make easy enough a receiver ie. for AM, to hear what is going on= in case of an emergency, or "trouble" times (ie. war, global disasters, et= c). History has already given examples for this, as if the digiradio system= s were active back at the WWII no one in the occupied, by the Nazis or Japa= nese, territories, could use a radio to listen to BBC Free radio or AFRS...= even under heavy interference used to "block" them! Well in digiradio is e= ither 1 or 0! You will listen it right, or you will not listen anything (if= it's inside a "noise")! The digital radios have the ability to be controll= ed (even "killed" thru air) easier than the commonb analog ones! I have wor= ked for a major transceiver manufacturer in the past, and have built for them the MPT1327 based trunking system that had this ability. "Kill" a= ction is when the provider (or any main controlling system) deactivate spec= ific (or all if it needed) receivers. The user then can;t do anything! And = that was for ANALOG based systems! Digital ones are totally controlable fro= m distance! And because the ON-AIR information is digitally encoded, you're= not going to listen anything, no matter how techie are you, and how easy o= r not you can built a common receiver circuit...=20=20=20 Radio IMHO is the only one media that should stay analog no matter what cos= t has this! The final cost of digitalization of the radio, will be much hig= her, if in the future for some reason (as it happened in the near past) peo= ple need to hear what is going on around, and i'm not refered to a cost of = money!=20 Sorry if I've got far out of the theme..=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell wrote= : > > What about the audio compression? =A0Is it MP3, AAC, ATRAC, Whatever? =A0= Seems to me it still requires diluting the audio quality with some low-bitr= ate scheme to make it fit.(My biggest argument in favor of keeping analog!)= George >=20 > --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Sotiris wrote: >=20 > From: Sotiris > Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs DRM > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 3:48 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jotape1960" wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > I need some help about the differences and similarities between IBOC an= d DRM. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Does DRM have the same analog 5 KHZ limitation than IBOC? >=20 >=20 >=20 > DRM doesn't use an analog path to transmit anything. It does however fit = inside a standard channel bandwidth, as is the case with the +/-5KHz mask u= sed at 10KHz MW channels or the +/-4.5KHz for the European 9KHz channels.=20 >=20 > Can't co-exist with any "analog' component on transmitter.=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Does DRM have the same coverage problems than IBOC?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Well, I don't know what IBOC can do on coverage, but DRM has proved its s= ignal quality also to "coverage" matters, all around the globe... since the= system is the ONLY ONE that delivers at Sort Waves!!! All other "competito= rs" CAN'T do it at SW at least until now!=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Does DRM have some royalties and/or fees like IBOC?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > DRM has no royalties or any fees either at installation time, nor during = the year after, as is the case with IBOC, and at my oppinion that is the mo= st important part for all broadcasters to DROP ANY "SUBSCRIBING BROADCASTIN= G" technology they forced to follow! and use globally one system, the DRM, = in the digital future (if it finally happens, :( as planned...)=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > What about the prices of DRM and IBOC? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Not exactly clear what prices you're asking for comparison!=20 >=20 > DRM needs a new exciter, and either modification of the transmitter (if i= t's one of the latest analog "technology" ) or a complete new one. Then you= will have to buy only the encoding software, if your exciter isn't a real = stand alone DRM transmitter. After that you're free from any one to run DRM= all day/year/century long :)=20 >=20 > Don't have to pay every year just to be on air... ! >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > DRM is IMHO the only system that will be able to survive globally, and fo= r all radio bands at once... as is already in use at LW/MW/SW & now FM !!!= =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. >=20 > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > > >=20 > Best regards=20 >=20 > Sotiris=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Jun 12 04:50:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78977 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2009 11:50:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2009 11:50:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2009 11:50:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2009 11:49:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2009 11:49:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:49:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.41.163 From: "Sotiris" Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs DRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=vPTtdNsvSll7RW5_qMNs6xyzsK45v-BlCpQ32s0z_Ms X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi Juan=20 Take a look at the technical folders of the drm.org site!=20 Also, I need to tell you that AFAIK DRM can be run for demo easily, but wit= h the lower quality (monophonic) AAC encoder. If you need further info, do = ask, as I have already some small experience on it...=20 ;)=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Thanks a lot for all of you and your help!!! >=20 > Sotiris gave us a very good point to think. >=20 > Whatever, I guess I'll have to test DRM here, in terrain, in the field, m= y specific site, to get a very good opinion about it. >=20 > Of course, after the test and comparing the prices, I guess (and I bet yo= u) the final results will be... the boss will decide to transmit C-Quam Ste= reo, if they decided some change, hahahaahahahaha!!! >=20 > The only one last point is: Some idea about where I can find some deep te= chnical information about DRM? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Sotiris" wrote: > > > > Hi=20 > > Audio compression used for DRM is currently the AAC+ that provides para= metric stereo (yes I know... not the best way, as it is a psychoacoustic mo= de to pass stereo information thru a heavy data compression, but it works).= I have done extensive tests here with DRM on MW band, and using just the l= ower quality AAC (not the AAC+). The outcome is that you can have a good co= mparable AM monophonic quality with it. I'm now in the process to run full = DRM tests using a licensed AAC+ that we have obtained for stereo broadcasti= ng. If the results of those tests are as expected to be, then the DRM is th= e one system I will follow!=20 > > I have to say, that I still supporting any analog broadcasting method, = as IMHO both FM Stereo & mostly AM STEREO are excellent for their use! Also= I do believe that radio should stay analog, and as simple as is right now,= so anyone can make easy enough a receiver ie. for AM, to hear what is goin= g on in case of an emergency, or "trouble" times (ie. war, global disasters= , etc). History has already given examples for this, as if the digiradio sy= stems were active back at the WWII no one in the occupied, by the Nazis or = Japanese, territories, could use a radio to listen to BBC Free radio or AFR= S... even under heavy interference used to "block" them! Well in digiradio = is either 1 or 0! You will listen it right, or you will not listen anything= (if it's inside a "noise")! The digital radios have the ability to be cont= rolled (even "killed" thru air) easier than the commonb analog ones! I have= worked for a major transceiver manufacturer in the past, and have built fo= r them the MPT1327 based trunking system that had this ability. "Kill" acti= on is when the provider (or any main controlling system) deactivate specifi= c (or all if it needed) receivers. The user then can;t do anything! And tha= t was for ANALOG based systems! Digital ones are totally controlable from d= istance! And because the ON-AIR information is digitally encoded, you're no= t going to listen anything, no matter how techie are you, and how easy or n= ot you can built a common receiver circuit...=20=20=20 > > Radio IMHO is the only one media that should stay analog no matter what= cost has this! The final cost of digitalization of the radio, will be much= higher, if in the future for some reason (as it happened in the near past)= people need to hear what is going on around, and i'm not refered to a cost= of money!=20 > >=20 > > Sorry if I've got far out of the theme..=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > > > > > What about the audio compression? =A0Is it MP3, AAC, ATRAC, Whatever?= =A0Seems to me it still requires diluting the audio quality with some low-= bitrate scheme to make it fit.(My biggest argument in favor of keeping anal= og!)George > > >=20 > > > --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Sotiris wrote: > > >=20 > > > From: Sotiris > > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs DRM > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 3:48 PM > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > > Hi Gang!!! > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > I need some help about the differences and similarities between IBO= C and DRM. > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > Does DRM have the same analog 5 KHZ limitation than IBOC? > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > DRM doesn't use an analog path to transmit anything. It does however = fit inside a standard channel bandwidth, as is the case with the +/-5KHz ma= sk used at 10KHz MW channels or the +/-4.5KHz for the European 9KHz channel= s.=20 > > >=20 > > > Can't co-exist with any "analog' component on transmitter.=20 > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > Does DRM have the same coverage problems than IBOC?=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Well, I don't know what IBOC can do on coverage, but DRM has proved i= ts signal quality also to "coverage" matters, all around the globe... since= the system is the ONLY ONE that delivers at Sort Waves!!! All other "compe= titors" CAN'T do it at SW at least until now!=20 > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > Does DRM have some royalties and/or fees like IBOC?=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > DRM has no royalties or any fees either at installation time, nor dur= ing the year after, as is the case with IBOC, and at my oppinion that is th= e most important part for all broadcasters to DROP ANY "SUBSCRIBING BROADCA= STING" technology they forced to follow! and use globally one system, the D= RM, in the digital future (if it finally happens, :( as planned...)=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > What about the prices of DRM and IBOC? > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Not exactly clear what prices you're asking for comparison!=20 > > >=20 > > > DRM needs a new exciter, and either modification of the transmitter (= if it's one of the latest analog "technology" ) or a complete new one. Then= you will have to buy only the encoding software, if your exciter isn't a r= eal stand alone DRM transmitter. After that you're free from any one to run= DRM all day/year/century long :)=20 > > >=20 > > > Don't have to pay every year just to be on air... ! > > >=20 > > >=20=20 > > >=20 > > > DRM is IMHO the only system that will be able to survive globally, an= d for all radio bands at once... as is already in use at LW/MW/SW & now FM = !!!=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > Thanks for your time!!! > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > >=20 > > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > >=20 > > > > > > >=20 > > > Best regards=20 > > >=20 > > > Sotiris=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20 > > >=20=09 > > >=20=09=20 > > >=20=09 > > >=20=09 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=09 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=09 > > >=20=09 > > >=20=09 > > >=20=09 > > >=20=09 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Jun 12 04:51:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70503 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2009 11:51:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jun 2009 11:51:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2009 11:51:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2009 11:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2009 11:51:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:51:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <77027.40649.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.41.163 From: "Sotiris" Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs DRM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=HRDIirpEGAV9JNPT_GYphwiKYRDQM9MxVXMA5VV39z0 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Cross my fingers too!!!=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > You got my vote, radio SHOULD stay analog. =A0But then I said that about = TV, too, and tomorrow the peacock I've known and loved since a child is get= ting the ax.What a shame, 55 years of improvement to the NTSC system, now b= eing flushed down the toilet, just so the FCC can auction off the channels.= Hope that NEVER happens to AM radio!!!George >=20 > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Sotiris wrote: >=20 > From: Sotiris > Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs DRM > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 8:23 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > Hi=20 >=20 > Audio compression used for DRM is currently the AAC+ that provides parame= tric stereo (yes I know... not the best way, as it is a psychoacoustic mode= to pass stereo information thru a heavy data compression, but it works). I= have done extensive tests here with DRM on MW band, and using just the low= er quality AAC (not the AAC+). The outcome is that you can have a good comp= arable AM monophonic quality with it. I'm now in the process to run full DR= M tests using a licensed AAC+ that we have obtained for stereo broadcasting= . If the results of those tests are as expected to be, then the DRM is the = one system I will follow!=20 >=20 > I have to say, that I still supporting any analog broadcasting method, as= IMHO both FM Stereo & mostly AM STEREO are excellent for their use! Also I= do believe that radio should stay analog, and as simple as is right now, s= o anyone can make easy enough a receiver ie. for AM, to hear what is going = on in case of an emergency, or "trouble" times (ie. war, global disasters, = etc). History has already given examples for this, as if the digiradio syst= ems were active back at the WWII no one in the occupied, by the Nazis or Ja= panese, territories, could use a radio to listen to BBC Free radio or AFRS.= .. even under heavy interference used to "block" them! Well in digiradio is= either 1 or 0! You will listen it right, or you will not listen anything (= if it's inside a "noise")! The digital radios have the ability to be contro= lled (even "killed" thru air) easier than the commonb analog ones! I have w= orked for a major transceiver manufacturer in the past, and have built > for them the MPT1327 based trunking system that had this ability. "Kill"= action is when the provider (or any main controlling system) deactivate sp= ecific (or all if it needed) receivers. The user then can;t do anything! An= d that was for ANALOG based systems! Digital ones are totally controlable f= rom distance! And because the ON-AIR information is digitally encoded, you'= re not going to listen anything, no matter how techie are you, and how easy= or not you can built a common receiver circuit...=20=20=20 >=20 > Radio IMHO is the only one media that should stay analog no matter what c= ost has this! The final cost of digitalization of the radio, will be much h= igher, if in the future for some reason (as it happened in the near past) p= eople need to hear what is going on around, and i'm not refered to a cost o= f money!=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sorry if I've got far out of the theme..=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > What about the audio compression? =A0Is it MP3, AAC, ATRAC, Whatever? = =A0Seems to me it still requires diluting the audio quality with some low-b= itrate scheme to make it fit.(My biggest argument in favor of keeping analo= g!)George >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- On Tue, 6/9/09, Sotiris wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > From: Sotiris >=20 > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: IBOC vs DRM >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > > Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 3:48 PM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jotape1960" wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > I need some help about the differences and similarities between IBOC = and DRM. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Does DRM have the same analog 5 KHZ limitation than IBOC? >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > DRM doesn't use an analog path to transmit anything. It does however fi= t inside a standard channel bandwidth, as is the case with the +/-5KHz mask= used at 10KHz MW channels or the +/-4.5KHz for the European 9KHz channels.= =20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Can't co-exist with any "analog' component on transmitter.=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Does DRM have the same coverage problems than IBOC?=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Well, I don't know what IBOC can do on coverage, but DRM has proved its= signal quality also to "coverage" matters, all around the globe... since t= he system is the ONLY ONE that delivers at Sort Waves!!! All other "competi= tors" CAN'T do it at SW at least until now!=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Does DRM have some royalties and/or fees like IBOC?=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > DRM has no royalties or any fees either at installation time, nor durin= g the year after, as is the case with IBOC, and at my oppinion that is the = most important part for all broadcasters to DROP ANY "SUBSCRIBING BROADCAST= ING" technology they forced to follow! and use globally one system, the DRM= , in the digital future (if it finally happens, :( as planned...)=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > What about the prices of DRM and IBOC? >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Not exactly clear what prices you're asking for comparison!=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > DRM needs a new exciter, and either modification of the transmitter (if= it's one of the latest analog "technology" ) or a complete new one. Then y= ou will have to buy only the encoding software, if your exciter isn't a rea= l stand alone DRM transmitter. After that you're free from any one to run D= RM all day/year/century long :)=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Don't have to pay every year just to be on air... ! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > DRM is IMHO the only system that will be able to survive globally, and = for all radio bands at once... as is already in use at LW/MW/SW & now FM !!= !=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > Juan J. Paredes G. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Best regards=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Sotiris=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20=09 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From bill_1234321@yahoo.com Fri Jun 12 18:09:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill_1234321@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46020 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 01:09:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 01:09:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 01:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 01:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 01:08:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:08:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.138.142.43 From: "bill_1234321" Subject: Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=335180529; y=8shtbcFK1Zr98iDXi-3xfPFR37tVopB8JvmWL533lgfixxzpx8nu X-Yahoo-Profile: bill_1234321 I'm thinking of getting him to build a C-QUAM AMS transmitter for me. Has a= nyone bought anything from Chris? Is he a reputable guy to deal with? Thank= s.=20 From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Jun 12 18:22:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47894 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 01:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 01:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s16.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.219) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 01:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W23 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s16.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:22:22 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:22:22 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jun 2009 01:22:22.0910 (UTC) FILETIME=[6730B5E0:01C9EBC5] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=K6pWGltFYJ3UJiS6I1GW_59wpDkhlyDXr3Be6VzZoufHyYEqzs36 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris is absolutely top of the line. No one better. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: bill_1234321@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:08:26 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? I'm thinking of getting him to build a C-QUAM AMS transmitter for me. Has anyone bought anything from Chris? Is he a reputable guy to deal with? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jun 12 18:53:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23526 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 01:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 01:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 01:53:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 43758 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2009 01:52:44 -0000 Message-ID: <366329.42800.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: k_JAhSUVM1mPBU..bnueySnx37iboYhmnWpAJAH8QRCO3Dmlrgl1Pk6OXrzgmni_mfQbvstHWYdxy9TTuVJtdscCm3m_l26sUsUzzczaQVyLbRLlo9Rw27q1CDbMDqVDeaTXCmRGDsomEOm1ByIZYjAj.oe.MvpK6z5Gbwza0q0yQBSAJqXVDbqAcwgddTH5d5uvOFyZv5U3PrPuUP3eNCwDv18xPFKcc3uKBE.mX3CC82i.6vvOTNR9ROQ8PletYTNBuOQj7Q4yW1WWWbfiuThBMqVr0VjkxAY6FFiYgVBRdsYS1eCzl5kpwbIayJ1dTu1wcXzl0nuSnzyPKr7urlbR5AjvoCPPJRejQaJQrm_g8yP0BFh4F7NTs8.aA1.8lVent_z.GcwI0GE- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:52:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.12 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:52:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=yA05eEE73HXrjaO0k9Jb-1XjkhHt8q2HMYTHWWX-jM1hqg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I bought an "Alfredo Lite" C-QUAM xmtr from him several years ago, still working fine.He shipped very quickly, and answered questions without hesitation.Chris will get you on the air in stereo for a VERY reasonable price!George--- On Fri, 6/12/09, bill_1234321 wrote: From: bill_1234321 Subject: {AMSF} Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 9:08 PM I'm thinking of getting him to build a C-QUAM AMS transmitter for me. Has anyone bought anything from Chris? Is he a reputable guy to deal with? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Jun 12 19:37:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75348 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 02:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 02:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 02:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KL500MHDOLKI1O1@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:36:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4E8E2E8F475246D98BEDF2FC0FBA8FFC@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:37:00 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=6GrSGUl4bXFkCYQM0U27MVxioEK7piEiV7QM8QGiUNe5Rw X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree - Chris is top of the line. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: AM Stereo Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? Chris is absolutely top of the line. No one better. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: bill_1234321@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:08:26 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? I'm thinking of getting him to build a C-QUAM AMS transmitter for me. Has anyone bought anything from Chris? Is he a reputable guy to deal with? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Jun 12 20:07:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91957 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 03:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 03:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 03:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 03:06:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 03:06:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:06:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.135.128.179 From: "Tom" Subject: Re: Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=4rKZrO6oMY6etl2IO_3JPfhD6Yi6tq_08KCGUWXWAcy8ixWJpdowSEIB X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bill_1234321" wro= te: > > I'm thinking of getting him to build a C-QUAM AMS transmitter for me. Has= anyone bought anything from Chris? Is he a reputable guy to deal with? Tha= nks. > I bought an AM stereo decoder that I don't use anymore but it works great. From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Fri Jun 12 20:08:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99781 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 03:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 03:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 03:08:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 03:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 03:08:11 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:08:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.135.128.179 From: "Tom" Subject: Accurian Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=BoG49DQzkiu-xEC8ZCY8M0fzrEJHz3JQjgXgO1Ipc9XwYVH5hfLMFF5l X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 I listened to KDIA and their Mickey Mouse music in HD and it was in MONO...= WTF? The analog is mono too.=20=20 From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Jun 12 20:10:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3952 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 03:10:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 03:10:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 03:10:07 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 03:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 03:09:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 03:09:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 03:09:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=SWpwnZtL6t1RE45X_q2EYs24lZz6obfjVQ50t2W_d2mV X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i have one of his 100mW CQuAM Tx's. also used to own one of his 25mW ones. excellent quality. worth the cost.=20 From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sat Jun 13 01:10:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32060 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 08:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 08:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.146) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 08:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090613080047.JMNR1821.nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:00:47 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090613080046.KQUA20096.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:00:46 +0000 To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:00:46 +1000 Message-ID: <22573348E4A74E178E7340EF6CE96F71@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Acnrw6B1EDwEzgFYSMmV7R90EW3QzAAOI21A In-Reply-To: X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150201.4A335CAF.009A,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rR0zGNL/TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU6nyN7M7hND21T1cNhKPPmEqZ6v0X4/Ru+M= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bill_1234321 > I'm thinking of getting him to build a C-QUAM AMS transmitter > for me. Has anyone bought anything from Chris? Is he a reputable > guy to deal with? Thanks. Chris is a great guy. With his plans and guidance, he helped me convert a (AM mono) Sony boombox to receive AM stereo - arguably still the only AM Stereo boombox in Australia! Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 13 01:51:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16392 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 08:51:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 08:51:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.145) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 08:51:39 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n18.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 08:50:06 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 08:50:24 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 08:50:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 110966.31096.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 22665 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 08:50:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO z2s0f1) (jimsmith95650@68.72.218.149 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 08:50:22 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mosyL3UVM1m6ef4wPEncHeuhrxF6POKYVuQAouqrxeLHLg5gacNnTMykF8dGTK8ZhnQvCyQMph9_u3WqR21S5uO8ALe2Ryza1gd0REfFbNMPwDBZliBfNa6miynvmAnU96QggMGbUHU.edA.Jrdp8VO4SyZr0DGuQ2rzwJ0nQHo.l5qNlJKvbRP0BMaSdKFkyQ_wPzogDb9h_htDp82c5kZ4r_7rTRp5PEkOaEhoHbdK45amjSGb.UGlttUurJkX4gZnTR9PguQ0cxhwE8U4TTZkMFHDNyLVzQBrBOXrTx0GxXYL7cX4ymcobl_.jQ3PXNrW01_hLzbNr_gb.jzbW5UQr389 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000b01c9ec04$bb071e40$5ce8fea9@z2s0f1> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:55:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=ZkeNGGot1InZDpBBke7sR6NmvyroDd8KJg-wZyYdeyPvpMfcb1ArMHzO9ym7lWC-To0DU-Ff X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bill Verry outstanding man and a verry bissy man also . So you will have to wait when he is doing stuff for you. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: bill_1234321 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: {AMSF} Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? I'm thinking of getting him to build a C-QUAM AMS transmitter for me. Has anyone bought anything from Chris? Is he a reputable guy to deal with? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Jun 13 05:12:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 999 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 12:12:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 12:12:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n23b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.142) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 12:12:32 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 12:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.243] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 12:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 12:11:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 766631.26589.bm@omp404.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 61876 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 12:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.2?) (big_h00pla@75.120.205.21 with plain) by smtp127.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 12:11:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: Npc667uswBBqERogKeUuME.0rzAvICQ- X-YMail-OSG: R.GfMgoVM1m55Bbuk0UsrFd2t3t5xn61X8fRTxjOgW1.oMYgF5q0ZTCEvoatnEqeufu25ZLEwaKW..E8pCEskOSC_lmkaXoYvSe5lQ4rhmY_JwHd2AKy_XtV6AOswgeNUbULPAZM.oM.7v0IDSuj2.pP58ojalO7SVdvFwAjpocJpPzA0LHlJcq3XdSVYckHbvAQz7fLQty3aSUoJ_pOfQDvNXew0ihxEavsoCUT8wMmQGEy0EtkjO8quMKw.WVZWeV51W0H77jnC2sao065oUQASmZYob2BTG7psrO_D9gYLc2oOWK2k7F44oSIkHAkO3VfUFyHSYaiYQg91qu0rHfoEudasYYvjTl5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1244889251.3063.4659.m2@yahoogroups.com> References: <1244889251.3063.4659.m2@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:11:32 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=VjFK4Cbg8_WSDhjlpKf9cHvrwvGqDDO8E8BRihyGXzUchET-lQ X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla You won't deal with anyone better than him. His stuff is good and he ships fast as well. Feel comfortable in dealing with him. He is a great guy. Kevin On Jun 13, 2009, at 5:34 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > 2a. Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? > Posted by: "bill_1234321" bill_1234321@yahoo.com bill_1234321 > Date: Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:09 pm ((PDT)) > > I'm thinking of getting him to build a C-QUAM AMS transmitter for > me. Has anyone bought anything from Chris? Is he a reputable guy to > deal with? Thanks. From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sat Jun 13 09:04:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6510 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 16:03:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 16:03:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 16:03:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 16:03:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2009 16:03:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:03:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Accurian Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=vP1E1mdYLZGimmanIVol2zVIeoV84XawVNnpYtT9TTyE X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq One of the first things Disney did in NYC on WQEW was to turn off the AM st= ereo. I believe their network is stereo. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't have an H= D radio to see if they're running stereo on their IBOC signal. It wouldn't = work out here on Long Island anyway. Jerry --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" wrote: > > I listened to KDIA and their Mickey Mouse music in HD and it was in MONO.= .. WTF? The analog is mono too. > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 13 10:18:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29456 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 17:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 17:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 17:18:42 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.210] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090613121807100301500010.0) with SMTP id <20090613121807100301500010> for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:18:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006701c9ec4b$1abf0b40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:18:07 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How high will the Sony SRF-A300 tune to? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=XfGlYmjcULTDXnRsmt4pPpZ6mMb3iyweUGP8yYPmE0NYTuHKhgC6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not if you do it right. You will sacrifice some upper dial calibration, but that's about it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:33 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: How high will the Sony SRF-A300 tune to? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bill_1234321" wrote: > > I see in the pics the highest number on the dial is 1600kHz, but will it tune a little higher? > Hi Yes all the way to 1700 khz. But you will lose some of your lower dial. Jim Smith --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 13 10:39:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40515 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 17:39:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 17:39:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 17:39:07 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.210] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090613123800102175600016.0) with SMTP id <20090613123800102175600016> for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:38:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <016501c9ec4d$e1b767e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1244889251.3063.4659.m2@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:38:00 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=hqpTP5AxOik3e66iv35Xp2sSsZJxomkQHlFSKpR-PVATvtZu7reU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is he still selling those transmitters? I've got a friend who is very interested in buying one. How does one even get a hold of him lately? Last I knew he had become a bit of a recluse since he was attending to his elderly parents, selling only on ebay. Reply on or off list. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:12 AM Subject: {AMSF} Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? You won't deal with anyone better than him. His stuff is good and he ships fast as well. Feel comfortable in dealing with him. He is a great guy. Kevin On Jun 13, 2009, at 5:34 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > 2a. Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? > Posted by: "bill_1234321" bill_1234321@yahoo.com bill_1234321 > Date: Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:09 pm ((PDT)) > > I'm thinking of getting him to build a C-QUAM AMS transmitter for > me. Has anyone bought anything from Chris? Is he a reputable guy to > deal with? Thanks. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 13 10:42:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32459 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 17:42:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 17:42:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 17:42:50 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.210] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090613124156103248600010.0) with SMTP id <20090613124156103248600010> for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:41:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <017001c9ec4e$6ee25260$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:41:56 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=eGOwb4qJiV_QGLnLxv8eDpQgQrs8obp8YEDXkL8HgBeHJy1njc95 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know he published a set of changes several years ago to make the audio section more sensitive so they could be driven directly with portable CD and mp3 players and such, and I did the conversion on mine. Did he ever make a list of changes so someone could upgrade an older, lower power version to the 100mW version? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:10 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? i have one of his 100mW CQuAM Tx's. also used to own one of his 25mW ones. excellent quality. worth the cost. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 13 10:45:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28839 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 17:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 17:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 17:45:08 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.210] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090613124423101915400017.0) with SMTP id <20090613124423101915400017> for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:44:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018001c9ec4e$c50df400$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:44:23 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=p4BReoqgsuDkHEk9ym5GT-bhP8EdNqzgTZ8_77rjLCW3x_dWEVcJ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why did you retire it- did the radio wear out and you removed it? Do you think you'll reuse it or just want to sell it? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:07 PM I bought an AM stereo decoder that I don't use anymore but it works great. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 13 10:51:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52128 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 17:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 17:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 17:51:10 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.210] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090613125058102957000017.0) with SMTP id <20090613125058102957000017> for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:50:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01b401c9ec4f$b08138c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:50:58 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Accurian Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=XHBi1lXSLwUARDRMXxp0uM3o1EmpxJEwFTN_Ic67IYC6Uoy3NA6L X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is just a wild guess, but I wonder if they're purposely running the IBUZZ in mono because the differences between the analog and the digital are too extreme otherwise? AFAIK the Radio Disney network is still stereo. In related news, I understand their affiliate (non-network owned) in the Denver area has dropped AM stereo and is now IBUZZ. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:08 PM I listened to KDIA and their Mickey Mouse music in HD and it was in MONO... WTF? The analog is mono too. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jun 13 10:59:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86272 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2009 17:59:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jun 2009 17:59:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2009 17:59:32 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.210] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090613125840102620700010.0) with SMTP id <20090613125840102620700010> for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:58:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01ef01c9ec50$c4ea5480$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:58:40 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Broadcast Italia 1485 Khz in C-Quam X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Gkru-kHDI1u1coy67Ct_JSw4c8h10TELcmvPoR9gQTC8JyLyRbR6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this a full power station or just a hobby station like the "part-15" stations in the US? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: BCLNEWS.IT To: amstereoforum Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:21 AM Subject: {AMSF} Broadcast Italia 1485 Khz in C-Quam Broadcast Italia 1485 Khz from Rome is now in stereo C-Quam. Roberto Scaglione http://www.bclnews.it --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sub83@shortwavelog.com Sat Jun 13 19:47:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub83@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42174 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2009 02:47:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2009 02:47:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2009 02:47:34 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2009 02:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2009 02:47:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2009 02:47:08 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:47:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 173.65.239.247 From: "Robert Sillett" Subject: Re: Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=346563316; y=tEcrvZ21PPNOpQUQShtX63pljndTiz78evEgjv5D_T-wqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett I bought an AMS transmitter from Chris. I also bought a standalone AMS dec= oder board from him. Installing the board was beyond my skills, and Chris = graciously volunteered to install it in my radio. Thanks to Chris, I have = an AM Stereo Bose Wave Radio. Reputable? You can do no better. Chris is a great resource for the AMS co= mmunity. Bob Sillett, N3OEA --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bill_1234321" wro= te: > > I'm thinking of getting him to build a C-QUAM AMS transmitter for me. Has= anyone bought anything from Chris? Is he a reputable guy to deal with? Tha= nks. > From bill_1234321@yahoo.com Sat Jun 13 21:36:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bill_1234321@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85090 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2009 04:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2009 04:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2009 04:36:16 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2009 04:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2009 04:35:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2009 04:35:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 04:35:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.138.142.43 From: "bill_1234321" Subject: Re: Anyone dealt with Chris Cuff? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=335180529; y=p7yRHCiJocy4hHJkHwih6X-zDvnCGVpLqJFTp5majPSFcEnrXwk0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bill_1234321 Thanks guys. Scott Todd, I emailed him at ccuff@in4web.com and he responded= . --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Sillett" wrote: > > I bought an AMS transmitter from Chris. I also bought a standalone AMS d= ecoder board from him. Installing the board was beyond my skills, and Chri= s graciously volunteered to install it in my radio. Thanks to Chris, I hav= e an AM Stereo Bose Wave Radio. >=20 > Reputable? You can do no better. Chris is a great resource for the AMS = community. >=20 > Bob Sillett, N3OEA >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "bill_1234321" wrot= e: > > > > I'm thinking of getting him to build a C-QUAM AMS transmitter for me. H= as anyone bought anything from Chris? Is he a reputable guy to deal with? T= hanks. > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jun 14 16:49:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86341 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2009 23:49:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jun 2009 23:49:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2009 23:49:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.118] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090614184911101872200010.0) with SMTP id <20090614184911101872200010> for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:49:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005201c9ed4a$e7d79d40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:49:11 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} oh man!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Sc6zwk49ZAyZU0KZUK4T3WG5vU5NDbn7V4WeqJs4u4FM-dykRUjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually that doesn't surprise me. A number of those transmitters of his were used for night time service at former daytimers back when AM stereo was prevalent. Would you mind copying the schematic of it for me? Unless it's the same thing listed in the back of his low power broadcasting book then I already have it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I have a Cunningham CM30-50 and a carrier current tuner. and surprise surprise pastor cunningham designed his tx's for CQuAM and put it in the instruction manual on how to set it up. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Jun 15 19:29:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88909 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2009 02:29:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2009 02:29:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2009 02:29:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2009 02:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2009 02:28:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:28:41 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01ef01c9ec50$c4ea5480$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 203.161.90.201 From: "dandocker" Subject: Re: 1584 kHz Radio Studio X (Italy) CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=Ed8H4nT2KC0bDhSpdNUyyr8Ai-flYQw1WwdVA3byzHCydsQE X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker The website seems to imply that the station can be heard in other countries= outside of Italy at night. So it should be fairly powerful.=20 I listened to the stream for a bit and they actually promote the fact that = they are broadcasting in AM Stereo. There also appears to be no commercials= so I'm not sure where they get their funding from (not sure if this is the= same station that was referred to in the previous post). http://www.radiostudiox.it/ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Is this a full power station or just a hobby station like the "part-15" s= tations in the US? >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: BCLNEWS.IT=20 > To: amstereoforum=20 > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:21 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Broadcast Italia 1485 Khz in C-Quam >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Broadcast Italia 1485 Khz from Rome is now in stereo C-Quam. >=20 > Roberto Scaglione > http://www.bclnews.it >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From bclsiciliaclub@inwind.it Tue Jun 16 06:32:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bclsiciliaclub@inwind.it X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89663 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2009 13:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2009 13:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2009 13:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2009 13:32:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2009 13:32:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:32:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 151.33.205.252 From: "BCLNEWS.IT" Subject: Re: 1584 kHz Radio Studio X (Italy) CQUAM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111157203; y=JC4S6QhQJWHgddH_bHQs1qcpK3-ik5cfB4k1YI3PLj6Fp83FWeyGIvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bclsiciliaclub >> Is this a full power station or just a >> hobby station like >> the "part-15" stations in the US? Broadcast Italia 1458 has 1,5 Kw on a long wire, in a few days a new 35 mt.= antenna. >> So it should be fairly powerful.=20 Radio Studio X has generally 7 Kw, sometimes reduced to 2,5 Kw. 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Wich is very cool to me . The more music on AM the better!!! Thay have been coming in here neer Sacramento Ca very well. Later Gang Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Jun 18 12:30:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22938 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 19:30:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 19:30:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 19:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 19:29:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 19:29:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:29:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: ax10 exciter.... ps.. 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From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Jun 18 12:33:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66166 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 19:33:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 19:33:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 19:33:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 19:32:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 19:32:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:32:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005201c9ed4a$e7d79d40$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} oh man!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=qUI4prHMtzHPGzRIvaO-gnF2RNhwX42fPKMWB07T9Ijh X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Cunningham CM30-50 Full manual... http://home.comcast.net/~filebay1/Cunningham_Transmitters_Model_CM_30_50.pd= f From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Jun 18 12:38:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46750 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 19:38:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 19:38:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 19:38:05 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 19:37:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 19:37:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 19:37:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:37:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: ax10 exciter.... ps.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=0jDDwjCVR7-fOVC-abkCjrha0v8_ODkScX1VLLbLhYAE X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd well apparently my original posting did not show up. i'm selling a gold fac= ed ax10 $300.00 obo cash and local pickup or $300.00 firm usps money order = shipped conus. pics of it located here.. http://cnj.craigslist.org/ele/1228063586.html lets see if it posts this time. From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Jun 18 12:42:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27917 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 19:42:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 19:42:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s31.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.234) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 19:42:36 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W24 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s31.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:42:15 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:42:15 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2009 19:42:15.0627 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1FAF1B0:01C9F04C] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.234 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: I Finally Made It!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=ogR4nlRdBFmT2TuZdfzKMb5eU24FqKWl_hn6TLsWhX086TCJk51s X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forum Members, This is totally off topic, but I finally received my general ham license. I am now officially KJ4MIQ!! I am thinking about changing this call sign, but for now, I will be using it on 20 amd 40 meters. Thanks, MTGC (Michael) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jun 18 13:08:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45338 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 20:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 20:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f226.google.com) (209.85.217.226) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 20:08:14 -0000 X-Received: by gxk26 with SMTP id 26so1935295gxk.21 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:07:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.117.17 with SMTP id p17mr1431360agc.13.1245355633923; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.13? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm5188873aga.16.2009.06.18.13.07.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:07:10 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Finally Made It!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=fF-46a6AV7pjRLwpLvqW9TJsKBmNfjOumTJAFyk9r__RgFBBA_kINzNH8ZgXEw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:42 PM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > This is totally off topic, but I finally received my general ham > license. I am now officially KJ4MIQ!! KEWL BEANS! I hope to talk to you on the air. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Jun 18 13:19:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95279 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 20:19:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 20:19:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s3.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.206) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 20:19:16 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W35 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s3.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:18:55 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:18:54 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2009 20:18:55.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[01130CE0:01C9F052] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} I Finally Made It!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=Wj1UYoglv7B81iCWQ1htaamQwmXqtuxXtqOLPFi__HWeEh2BDTM7 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I look forward to it!! Michael To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: kj4hyd@gmail.com Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:07:10 -0400 Subject: Re: {AMSF} I Finally Made It!!! On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:42 PM, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > This is totally off topic, but I finally received my general ham > license. I am now officially KJ4MIQ!! KEWL BEANS! I hope to talk to you on the air. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jun 18 13:19:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90169 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 20:19:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 20:19:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f218.google.com) (209.85.217.218) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 20:19:57 -0000 X-Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so1933713gxk.11 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:18:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.49.4 with SMTP id w4mr4320480ybw.71.1245356337144; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.13? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm481453ywc.41.2009.06.18.13.18.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <0C9B95A0-CBD9-4906-9A43-003D9598EE42@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:18:54 -0400 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} oh man!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Yz5YN3VDZrF1AZzMGNhTs06FkGajndySipqkeMBLlZ7n6Og5TL6RijtdNDXr1Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jun 18, 2009, at 3:32 PM, kc8gpd wrote: > Cunningham CM30-50 Full manual... This looks like a FUN project! 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Jun 18 16:58:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81989 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2009 23:58:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2009 23:58:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2009 23:58:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 19:28:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2009 19:28:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:28:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Gold Face BE AX10 - $300.00 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=3Y-2BAhGMbYR8UdNwqpsf0x2ROVv5OVn_MiqyYgfC4qq X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I'm selling the AX10 i got from Kevin T. over in Warren Twp. NJ. looking for $300.00 obo cash local p/u or $300.00 Firm Shipped ConUS pic's of it located here... http://cnj.craigslist.org/ele/1228063586.html From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Jun 18 17:50:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17784 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2009 00:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2009 00:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2009 00:50:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35691 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2009 00:50:27 -0000 Message-ID: <956176.34719.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PsEceTMVM1l_Y6g42FfC.nWj8U.xPMlrbGr4W37wfAywVQlm5GEuH1IsLurMkmvpMPopkok8WBOikaWPdL75QiBn21cxVZiVvtgKcyohj5m3tzeS8xbHhiiwoFHNOcyts8qctTzynw5JdGp.AEW.POC.rs2JQYDsew1oPt2QxkRTZRN_DSrrbzDbyVmQcSLf.WCgNpxzd43CkFF.gdV4S3NASHBZo47jaCZZzOMHz20JvX9q3q87Y9KkPqErXRoxSbtmK4AQxfb1q8.brKcvqC9Sd.BNr708Euz5IfiY X-Received: from [209.213.19.164] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:50:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1357.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:50:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: A hip-hop MC performs with improvised rhyme and the spoken word, typically over a thumping beat. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=PsddNQi6uy35dRNTWoZkV-yHuYNwv65_P5IZOhC6skw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW And congratulations from W4OPW. Powell From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Jun 19 06:19:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7917 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2009 13:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2009 13:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2009 13:19:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2009 13:18:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2009 13:18:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:18:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.83.240 From: "Sotiris" Subject: Re: ax10 exciter.... ps.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=LxrIY50OKVjm3ER6qWC6--tQ8lwKZ-TN0-gG2fvxoY4 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Are you willing to send it to Athens GREECE with USPS if I pay the cost for= that?=20 Best regards=20 Sotiris --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > well apparently my original posting did not show up. i'm selling a gold f= aced ax10 $300.00 obo cash and local pickup or $300.00 firm usps money orde= r shipped conus. >=20 > pics of it located here.. > http://cnj.craigslist.org/ele/1228063586.html >=20 >=20 > lets see if it posts this time. > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jun 19 07:00:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82610 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2009 14:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2009 14:00:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2009 14:00:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67504 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2009 14:00:26 -0000 Message-ID: <776261.67445.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: w6RAsrIVM1lj7F5KpkRsH59Z1Dm0L.53D9a.22_JKWf65Z_kyYHsfURjil_.Gj9F65obd5LmRBujSmXObMnd7yhxK2qCvu2L2paJYz9ufGOk27K04Te9y0dRBTZLSzkfYFOmN4VkiBtgKbXjPWMQirwt1TkIeY6U5YM_q6KiVknqY9gSHSZ0hr49nTU1sZoSRIVoB_ptTtapvr0hBp6eUnHaSo7khDG1Bi4PbjrwfJtSaDRbU2SFjUtms6HHapsuUHrXTCDSms0xYohz6ZEE0W8kW64Chzh.XXqS.tgZHz7ZzfxYVMS5JSgS X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:00:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:00:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: I Finally Made It!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=2Kb5Xf4cXFwbO_I3x1nbIe1K1Q_njv7gfLBDD26JYHvm2EVhh4Tcs0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hey Michael, Congratulations - try 80m my way sometime. John, K8DAD From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jun 19 09:22:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90433 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2009 16:22:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2009 16:22:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO yw-out-1718.google.com) (74.125.46.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2009 16:22:44 -0000 X-Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1015655ywm.74 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:21:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.89.18 with SMTP id m18mr2286581agb.32.1245428504253; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.13? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm5078708agb.2.2009.06.19.09.21.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <7A83CA09-AF75-41A4-8BFF-7508F0D75718@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <776261.67445.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:21:40 -0400 References: <776261.67445.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 74.125.46.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: I Finally Made It!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=vc8JaCpg2ElgeW62cCdibcK3ild2GJS6FgEI1dahwvu5UCh5-PR7nyxiC8q75w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jun 19, 2009, at 10:00 AM, John P. wrote: > Congratulations - try 80m my way sometime. I hang out on the 3885 AM Window more than any other place on the bands. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jun 19 12:33:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44766 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2009 19:32:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2009 19:32:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2009 19:32:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3294 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2009 19:31:55 -0000 Message-ID: <734848.2468.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: re5Etu4VM1mCkIlmxj8WCJGK4V4cQbVA.ye123Ut.WkjCfaUaOaV.xPVCacqqj2v_tGn.bBGkLsnja5P7YZG6Z0g.CXRmw8YFaxi_RTakyCwoquyqGqUIHmTwcYJiVeOjhxpTdI5m0V_X0a7URDe9wz3LztzZgYr_cBSNVP4dGUHJ_CP35sv.UQpANqw2YK6fh5K6zq9Ht3gAxrKTYVfe93pEBOPYgNWXgASI0vGcdR8MRxAZ75AhAJBomtpBfvVZ6MKLqCFUljbugH8vkeWyujTpnzh3mU.xqMStci6AWX1kGps3iM.FfbmlJEmWLVgH4kQdnSDfm6z2cEYaWICV5mZKlJ2uw-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:31:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:31:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: AHEM! Congrats on new license! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=m49zvmudyJfusUMHLv5uCzDU6UrOPwYNOL1QKExA4Q8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I don't know where that subject line came from... Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Powell E. Way III wrote: >>=20 > And congratulations from W4OPW. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jun 19 12:35:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55701 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2009 19:35:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2009 19:35:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f207.google.com) (209.85.217.207) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2009 19:35:56 -0000 X-Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so7528547gxk.10 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:35:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.209.4 with SMTP id h4mr4422814ang.89.1245440154210; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.13? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm175340ywf.12.2009.06.19.12.35.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <734848.2468.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:35:43 -0400 References: <734848.2468.qm@web34707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: KJ4HYD Subject: Re: {AMSF} AHEM! Congrats on new license! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=0q0YnpHe2ISXDmpFla03HoBjknElGGjSTcEVX0wOyOwKPEhGnHm1KeojjeKWlg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jun 19, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > I don't know where that subject line came from... You pulled it out of your ah, nevermind! LOL 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jun 22 15:44:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97767 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2009 22:44:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2009 22:44:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2009 22:44:30 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.125] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090622174336100615100010.0) with SMTP id <20090622174336100615100010> for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:43:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001601c9f38b$1d152ae0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:43:36 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} oh man!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=nIVS1QO1IbfT3iHrOlKwzOGS9MBzQIcoWzBZ4ROYE5PnItnIYG3T X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the link. I was able to download it at work. Where was the supplemental information on using this transmitter with AM stereo? Most exciters I know of put out enough power to directly drive the 6DQ5 power amp stage. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} oh man!!!! Cunningham CM30-50 Full manual... http://home.comcast.net/~filebay1/Cunningham_Transmitters_Model_CM_30_50.pdf --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jun 22 17:03:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66401 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2009 00:03:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2009 00:03:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2009 00:03:26 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imo-m11.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a401b3a364; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:00:58 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d69.44e67887 (41811) for ; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:00:57 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} oh man!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8X9NynFegUeYzm7jgx1AROEhZ2au4qdCybDpece3VFVUOGZY8iTnQ7YBznaAuUip X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I assume you mean feeding the transmitter with separate audio and RF from the exciter and not the AMS composite signal. The AMS composite signal requires a linear amplifier, which the transmitter is not. You will need an audio modulator. The transmitter uses cathode modulation. The RF input will most likely drive the 6V6 buffer driver. You will need some way of adjusting the delay between the audio and RF chains. Most exciters have that provision. Just by way of comment, I don't think you can get 50 watts of AM out of a 6DQ6. LPB had a 50 watt unit. It used a pair of 6550 in both the RF and modulator. That's alot more muscle than 6DQ6. Mike Mike ************** An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823273x1201398689/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62& bcd=JuneExcfooterNO62) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jun 25 16:16:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32205 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2009 23:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2009 23:16:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2009 23:16:12 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.146] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090625181533101445100010.0) with SMTP id <20090625181533101445100010> for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:15:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <000d01c9f5eb$17c9f180$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:15:33 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} oh man!!!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=853EDnPLD3cF0E-aKR80KTZyLWVePl4w4mX_nczE8lD2KgHJBy33 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Certainly not if you expect it to last very long, that's true. A pair of them might do that OK. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Just by way of comment, I don't think you can get 50 watts of AM out of a 6DQ6. LPB had a 50 watt unit. It used a pair of 6550 in both the RF and modulator. That's alot more muscle than 6DQ6. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Tue Jun 30 04:12:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70096 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2009 11:12:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2009 11:12:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2009 11:12:25 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KM1007X9TRHW1UJ@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:11:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <88A5AC5CFD4E451A96F894B40CA09293@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:11:42 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Test OT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=C3O7UktGFqdeWEKD2qKN903zMIAG9AtYorSvRExET3zdBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't received any postings from AMSF since 6-22-09 - just checking to see if the system is still working! Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Jun 30 06:54:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92506 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2009 13:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2009 13:54:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2009 13:54:22 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail20.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.160]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFEWGHTALZNYXS for (sender ); Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:53:53 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD09i/gHIdEYEFfCv3Zh5Wpk= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail20.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PLBD5B57; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:53:23 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.25.34] by webmail20.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:52:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:52:06 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20090630.065206.7386.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:3111077533 X-MAIL-INFO:2b7d2114bdade9cd05d4542100a5e1648de1e15400e98db1a1d964adf1c951c0517075f1b12499d0bd6d49b199b42dd41ded6dedd96540d1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.160|webmail20.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Test OT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=XLrB6OLOYErTzwQ8tWZGrcLL04DGnMIEcBguxzP0uA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Some of us are just lonely, I guess. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Dick W" To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Test OT Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:11:42 -0400 I haven't received any postings from AMSF since 6-22-09 - just checking to = see if the system is still working! Dick W. From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Jun 30 11:37:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96222 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2009 18:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2009 18:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.163) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2009 18:37:29 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W17 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:36:50 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:36:50 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: <88A5AC5CFD4E451A96F894B40CA09293@your4dacd0ea75> References: <88A5AC5CFD4E451A96F894B40CA09293@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2009 18:36:50.0911 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB9FCEF0:01C9F9B1] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Test OT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=HL1fOkHWw6MPNIFAmomb2aDGDiE2915NI8JqwXGelqmVnAbJ8LwdI2u-5jY X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Your test came through at my end; right into my inbox; guess this list just has been super quiet. Donn To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: dwtpa97@verizon.net Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:11:42 -0400 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Test OT I haven't received any postings from AMSF since 6-22-09 - just checking to see if the system is still working! Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Jun 30 16:49:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25550 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2009 23:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jun 2009 23:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2009 23:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2009 23:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jun 2009 23:48:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:48:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.38.230.20 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: ax10 exciter.... ps.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=XdJVfWh6znHcHl2WQuLaDJmo71Xi9i89a2zlF1OziGKx X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Ok, after several emails back and forth with the previous interested party he h= as seemed to disappear and no action has been taken to solidify the deal. as a result the AX-10 is up for sale again. $300.00 firm shipped conus payment via usps money order. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 02 11:12:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46505 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 18:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2009 18:12:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 18:12:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23807 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2009 18:11:26 -0000 Message-ID: <870139.22341.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: afX.IgQVM1mndlVYK0e0kcIEzFj53pD_DQe2ZFraHou9J2H4WCszv5ZboB_8m5kcsxmM8hztofU.iznihGKbUYrjXYCtVIY9V4Koo923vnADzeHpb0sGM3hFbY6xEWPLHJc9_RL9K7xMVh8KKx3.slE1Q7uxhic0zJnRoiYAjJTpaSKY3TQTTj3NDyGCjglWwxhoyUTEdotGqmrZ8313.gPc0YFoCkXVPhUGE6f76UWHF8G0SyFyXzrdKCqPG3AN81vW9yDrxAGZDKejWBYvrufryEuMYe4JwcM7M7tzZEJMas7tCjLE X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:11:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:11:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=H-QIPqQ77fQE7ODXxfOlT8D4dlGNgZYs0-FfP8PzhdMmSqpyXx7SD5c X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Who all has either an Alfredo (Lite) C-Quam transmitter, or a Greek transmitter from our buddy Sotiris, on the air today? Anybody else using something else OTA to air C-Quam (or other AM Stereo modes) over the air? Happy 4th of July, and Happy 1st of July to our Canadian friends. 73's John From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Jul 02 12:43:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50721 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2009 19:43:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jul 2009 19:43:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s1.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.204) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2009 19:43:11 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W57 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s1.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:42:50 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:42:50 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <870139.22341.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <870139.22341.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2009 19:42:50.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[486A0110:01C9FB4D] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=iVbVkf1SYQj9FMwSf3jEWYx2HpvvqQFSdaKO-nIkE1SImfLW7DTX X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an Alfredo C-Quam and it is on the air 24/7. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 11:11:26 -0700 Subject: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? Who all has either an Alfredo (Lite) C-Quam transmitter, or a Greek transmitter from our buddy Sotiris, on the air today? Anybody else using something else OTA to air C-Quam (or other AM Stereo modes) over the air? Happy 4th of July, and Happy 1st of July to our Canadian friends. 73's John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 02 17:43:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33433 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 00:16:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2009 00:16:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m13.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.101) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 00:16:23 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imo-m13.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a4d4dbb232; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:15:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bce.4c494c10 (65097) for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:16:05 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Bg3M4TXyFHMFlmx62Y4OroX99vjqE_WaqsTK-n9ZyQzYO3s5HqqivX2FaygRSL1N X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have one of the later Chris Cuff units in addition to a prototype of my own. My prototype is a digital phase to amplitude design that implements the CQUAM defining equation. The digital output drivers alone meet Part 15 with 800 mW PEP. I have experimenting with using it to drive a pair of 6146 in Class E. Into a Cantenna, of course. Mike ************** Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Jul 03 06:35:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44655 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 13:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2009 13:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173011pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.11) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 13:35:15 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KM700CQFKE2K79B@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:34:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <5BB2187677DC4800BF189D0C7D14A419@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <870139.22341.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:34:54 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Independence Day - OT X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=EYTCL6WcFY6BqLfl76xRyDbw1lDdW8xnaQB6yl-Czap8zw X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Because this is the Independence Day weekend, AMSF members might be interested to know that The Pentagon Channel is running a streaming marathon of its "Battleground" series this weekend. These programs are typically old "The Big Picture" programs produced during the 1950s-70s, and feature a wide number of topics, such as unit activity in Vietnam, WWII actions, the history of Old Glory, etc. One that brought back old memories for me was "The Men from the Boys", which tells the story of Army basic trainees housed in the old wooden barracks at Fort Ord CA during the 1960s. Another good program was "The Battle of Khe Sanh", which was a major siege of U.S. Marines by North Vietnam that lasted something like 70 days. For anyone that might be interested, I've included a link below for The Pentagon Channel. Dick W. http://www.pentagonchannel.mil/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jul 03 09:28:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91187 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 16:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2009 16:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 16:28:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2009 16:27:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2009 16:27:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:27:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.189 From: "jotape1960" Subject: 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=NUNZb9QpFT0Ze8RVF8TpWMI2a1f5RuT4UEWrKziquXcErSm1Gw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I need your help. I need 1 base to the 4-1000A vacuum tube, because one of "my" McMartin TX i= s gone (one of the filament connectors is broken). Any idea, please let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Jul 03 09:36:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97680 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 16:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2009 16:36:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.151) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 16:36:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74702 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2009 16:35:22 -0000 Message-ID: <765887.73860.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: fkVOWdwVM1kSnITAdcNQTyuW75laW8IWSOMenYt6ScKMaYpObq2G.AfAUIrcUGJjg5NK1UOCo79cG4WF1AN7bBHiKF9W3_f3fknHYxaFIb6yo.wV3mEUZRAdHoVMuZG4MuUfQZJr.BNmTQy8tiR2QMJ2cid5CZYKdedf8.MaqfDG.f61usF1txAvV8oDvdWVqpmCtAIQPGmQl1Y.IcM5dAz7SeQ7GJpNd2JEKizeLj0DzPvPnw1cuU5MtPfxgI04Z3NvUr1ZgF8Fu9EkeBwzdR6veV5eaEJV2GokT_m2.7qq.9qAUVgky3UBuoNddAxI.RI4lLOvrqhJfADJzbTvIDkTut9X1w-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:35:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 09:35:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=TpzCzu6sfZs6r-GlTGDzgC_iQyiO28UK-QF87nrGihA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Charlie Goodrich has McMartin stuff.=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 7/3/09, jotape1960 wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 12:27 PM > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I need your help. >=20 > I need 1 base to the 4-1000A vacuum tube, because one of > "my" McMartin TX is gone (one of the filament connectors is > broken). >=20 > Any idea, please let me know. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jul 03 11:06:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80829 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 18:06:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2009 18:06:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 18:06:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2009 18:05:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jul 2009 18:05:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:05:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <765887.73860.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.56.163 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=jNpkC28WSPoHAbgA-VICy61qvoJK8OoGlRz__UDEHL0ZypTrbw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thanks a lot for your news!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > >=20 > Charlie Goodrich has McMartin stuff.=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > From: jotape1960 > > Subject: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 12:27 PM > > Hi Gang!!! > >=20 > > I need your help. > >=20 > > I need 1 base to the 4-1000A vacuum tube, because one of > > "my" McMartin TX is gone (one of the filament connectors is > > broken). > >=20 > > Any idea, please let me know. > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > > Groups Links > >=20 > >=20 > > =A0 =A0 mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > >=20 > >=20 > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jul 03 14:04:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18969 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 21:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2009 21:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 21:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.41] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090703160324100143900010.0) with SMTP id <20090703160324100143900010> for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:03:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00c001c9fc21$ffc9b7e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <765887.73860.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:03:24 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=xyB3w1DsByjy8OUlWQCVuLTrsW-GTIwmGK4YPjAV57RWcptk7B0J X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can pull one from a scrapped 2.5K I have. Just let me know where to send= it Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Powell E. Way III=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base Charlie Goodrich has McMartin stuff.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 7/3/09, jotape1960 wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 12:27 PM > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I need your help. >=20 > I need 1 base to the 4-1000A vacuum tube, because one of > "my" McMartin TX is gone (one of the filament connectors is > broken). >=20 > Any idea, please let me know. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jul 03 14:06:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27071 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 21:06:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2009 21:06:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 21:06:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.41] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090703160556100410100010.0) with SMTP id <20090703160556100410100010> for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:05:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00cd01c9fc22$5aa32a20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <765887.73860.qm@web34702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:05:56 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=EwszQV8bLtma3TgVNtm2cx0EC_FzysNH8_smfENIByrvKwycSn99 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BTW, I take it he meant the socket? The base is actually part of the tube. ST ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Powell E. Way III=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base Charlie Goodrich has McMartin stuff.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Fri, 7/3/09, jotape1960 wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 12:27 PM > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I need your help. >=20 > I need 1 base to the 4-1000A vacuum tube, because one of > "my" McMartin TX is gone (one of the filament connectors is > broken). >=20 > Any idea, please let me know. >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jul 03 15:16:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49589 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 22:16:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2009 22:16:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 22:16:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 37049 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2009 22:16:34 -0000 Message-ID: <816438.34432.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ZOVkJ04VM1mUVICn9JKsgk.FysQxHvAT_O35ynLmya0Q4P4_MUtnBGb7D__j82KR7hjeRIt.V8PnCPLpCrWkp2_aMRX75IiDUur.2UTDj6jB_epsNEO.TOiRrG8iaGAGL3CZtnu.jderQ7MJxcHv9S4NFqit6_ZF0pWA8do6jo1OrNm_D7PSkvEz_y1vLVsUD8ytQku.zS2hbK3VX3UPwazqR0bK7ysRChzy.8uyojMmvgUhZ1hOjajJkBmEEStANm3qq8J5hPdZfY1HlAZTCiS7rIO_yKSgzHhM.wANNdcClOeCiFig1hWFSO99CJNEXoyoHjuaBdWfDcadYwNRTegk_ZhE2IkD1LmTeTzLS5FXjo2Q0YARf2v7oCevjlRvYc31NCGtsbJ.xwY- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:16:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:16:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=7ZDqwI3dpk-IcxD5VyDG9ojx-MzaFuvPiFJ51fhp8Uk1dQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an older AL, just had it fired up last week-end to show off some old tube-type radios we were selling in a block sale...guess the stereo was for nought, eh?AL is a neat little rig, but I will trade mine for anything that does the PMX thing in the same power range. (Playing around with an idea that isn't compatible with C-QUAMs separation limits)G --- On Thu, 7/2/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 2:11 PM Who all has either an Alfredo (Lite) C-Quam transmitter, or a Greek transmitter from our buddy Sotiris, on the air today? Anybody else using something else OTA to air C-Quam (or other AM Stereo modes) over the air? Happy 4th of July, and Happy 1st of July to our Canadian friends. 73's John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Jul 03 15:31:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25272 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 22:31:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2009 22:31:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f197.google.com) (209.85.222.197) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 22:31:54 -0000 X-Received: by pzk35 with SMTP id 35so1121713pzk.14 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:30:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.192.3 with SMTP id p3mr2679835waf.166.1246660253961; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c26sm6970304waa.50.2009.07.03.15.30.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901c9fc2d$ec580890$7b01a8c0@xppro> To: References: <816438.34432.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:30:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=OcJZBfopWxUckgAwLkLCdG2WAa9Qz19GaRfUza-gCqab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit any one using drm? I know the buddy from greece ceels drm transmitters ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 6:16 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? I have an older AL, just had it fired up last week-end to show off some old tube-type radios we were selling in a block sale...guess the stereo was for nought, eh?AL is a neat little rig, but I will trade mine for anything that does the PMX thing in the same power range. (Playing around with an idea that isn't compatible with C-QUAMs separation limits)G --- On Thu, 7/2/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 2:11 PM Who all has either an Alfredo (Lite) C-Quam transmitter, or a Greek transmitter from our buddy Sotiris, on the air today? Anybody else using something else OTA to air C-Quam (or other AM Stereo modes) over the air? Happy 4th of July, and Happy 1st of July to our Canadian friends. 73's John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Jul 03 16:12:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73355 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2009 23:12:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jul 2009 23:12:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2009 23:12:04 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([96.20.109.30]) by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KM8006HIAXVE800@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <002c01c9fc33$26b72c00$6900a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <816438.34432.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000901c9fc2d$ec580890$7b01a8c0@xppro> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:08:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=x-Z3hvNGuqMLoYf5Z2SuuyCXrKiZ3cXqQzSR28oRNyKCSZmqoPhNbPs X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warm greetings ! In our newly installed oldschool am stereo Car-Radio I haven't been able to find a single AM Stereo broadcast, except *MAYBE ONE EVENING* when I caught something flashing on 1350, but that's about it... Is WICC-600 still using C-Quam ? What about KJCC-1630 ? Unfortunatly, my car radio only tunes up to 1620 kHz. At least it tunes 1610-1620, so it tunes the Haitian local... On FM it is VERY deaf, I can't receive a single local even in downtown Montreal, so it may be broken on FM... It's a SONY XR-A33 receiver ! Anyone else experiencing FM problems with a SONY XR-A33 receiver ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jul 03 18:59:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32171 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2009 01:59:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2009 01:59:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 01:59:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.246] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090703205848101276600010.0) with SMTP id <20090703205848101276600010> for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:58:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <013e01c9fc4b$45b1d980$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <816438.34432.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000901c9fc2d$ec580890$7b01a8c0@xppro> <002c01c9fc33$26b72c00$6900a8c0@B> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:58:48 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=_bbAiShZXiyAPqYrKoAUhPBElWVY5K4EcEZ04iyAKQGnqcNaAnhC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think WLS is still running stereo at night, though what little you'd hear would be local commercials and such. Johnny Electron says that CFCO 630 is still stereo, but don't know if their signal gets out your way or not. Last I knew KCJJ was stereo too. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In our newly installed oldschool am stereo Car-Radio I haven't been able to find a single AM Stereo broadcast, except *MAYBE ONE EVENING* when I caught something flashing on 1350, but that's about it... What about KJCC-1630 ? Unfortunatly, my car radio only tunes up to 1620 kHz. At least it tunes 1610-1620, so it tunes the Haitian local... On FM it is VERY deaf, I can't receive a single local even in downtown Montreal, so it may be broken on FM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Jul 03 20:51:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73005 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2009 03:51:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2009 03:51:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f194.google.com) (209.85.216.194) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2009 03:51:52 -0000 X-Received: by pxi32 with SMTP id 32so1505781pxi.7 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:51:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.120.8 with SMTP id s8mr3082340wac.219.1246679466297; Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j28sm7222767waf.67.2009.07.03.20.51.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000f01c9fc5a$a78139d0$7b01a8c0@xppro> To: References: <816438.34432.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000901c9fc2d$ec580890$7b01a8c0@xppro> <002c01c9fc33$26b72c00$6900a8c0@B> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:51:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=8f0U0L7PO5j-gbv1pBxtbUwao3KlkYMkfbvqrqPNq_yL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit last I heard kcjj was cquam ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 4:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? Warm greetings ! In our newly installed oldschool am stereo Car-Radio I haven't been able to find a single AM Stereo broadcast, except *MAYBE ONE EVENING* when I caught something flashing on 1350, but that's about it... Is WICC-600 still using C-Quam ? What about KJCC-1630 ? Unfortunatly, my car radio only tunes up to 1620 kHz. At least it tunes 1610-1620, so it tunes the Haitian local... On FM it is VERY deaf, I can't receive a single local even in downtown Montreal, so it may be broken on FM... It's a SONY XR-A33 receiver ! Anyone else experiencing FM problems with a SONY XR-A33 receiver ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sat Jul 04 19:13:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7240 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 02:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2009 02:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 02:13:35 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([96.20.109.30]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KMA00GWJE0DJSG0@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: <004601c9fd15$ac249930$6900a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <816438.34432.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000901c9fc2d$ec580890$7b01a8c0@xppro> <002c01c9fc33$26b72c00$6900a8c0@B> <013e01c9fc4b$45b1d980$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:09:47 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=CbPC4UEkoM9wJ48Bg5nqYD1H3CY0RHVDmklPknL3WFv-YgoqY07cgx8 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course it gets my way but I seldom get into the car at night to try for it... Around sunset, the higher part of the MW band is quite active while the lower one doesn't offer too much, one exception being longwave which when the powerline buzz isn't around, can be quite good around sunset, but CFCO-630 is using less power than Medi Un on 171 kHz ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jul 04 20:10:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26649 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2009 03:10:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2009 03:10:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2009 03:10:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2009 03:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2009 03:09:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 03:09:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c001c9fc21$ffc9b7e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.17 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ztcxD-ZTzFy7tCh8Qjc8K22hCvM8GI0bdZVjpvZwYuRMnYUY1w X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Really? I'll thank you so much if you send me the socket (we called it "base", hehe= hehe). My physical address is: JUAN JES=DAS PAREDES GUERRA, CASILLA POSTAL 689, CURIC=D3, REGI=D3N DEL MAULE, CHILE. By the way, "Casilla Postal" is the spanish equivalent to the english "P.O.= Box". Of course, you have to tell me the price of the socket and your physical ad= dress to let me send you the money by the Western Union Postal Order system= . GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I can pull one from a scrapped 2.5K I have. Just let me know where to se= nd it >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Powell E. Way III=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Charlie Goodrich has McMartin stuff.=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > From: jotape1960 > > Subject: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 12:27 PM > > Hi Gang!!! > >=20 > > I need your help. > >=20 > > I need 1 base to the 4-1000A vacuum tube, because one of > > "my" McMartin TX is gone (one of the filament connectors is > > broken). > >=20 > > Any idea, please let me know. > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > > Groups Links > >=20 > >=20 > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Jul 05 20:06:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36775 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 03:05:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2009 03:05:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f219.google.com) (209.85.217.219) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 03:05:54 -0000 X-Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so5281280gxk.21 for ; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:04:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.87.5 with SMTP id k5mr3715753agb.86.1246849494231; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from kj4hyd4cbb84aa (dialup-4.152.207.141.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.207.141]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm5501744agc.31.2009.07.05.20.04.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0a2b01c9fde6$7e5317d0$8dcf9804@kj4hyd4cbb84aa> To: References: <870139.22341.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:30:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "KJ4HYD" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ENFYpiszLmEpOh7N4R8VLvD7FexKp46LJAZrnXU_XPS580VrwWdfLNxWc-BfQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." To: Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? > Anybody else using something else OTA to air C-Quam (or other AM Stereo > modes) over the air? I have a Part 15 rig in ISB Stereo. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Jul 05 20:46:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38854 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 03:46:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2009 03:46:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f188.google.com) (209.85.216.188) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 03:46:46 -0000 X-Received: by mail-px0-f188.google.com with SMTP id 26so63749pxi.7 for ; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:46:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.159.6 with SMTP id h6mr6820452wae.19.1246852006493; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n40sm10465554wag.30.2009.07.05.20.46.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:46:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004501c9fdec$60c03c10$7b01a8c0@xppro> To: References: <870139.22341.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0a2b01c9fde6$7e5317d0$8dcf9804@kj4hyd4cbb84aa> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 20:46:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=FN1n24lMQZ1kBFEv0zbRjmrqT_n5LNY2yI5KZpAZcU4I Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wht transmitter you using and what your range? ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ4HYD To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P." To: Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 2:11 PM Subject: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? > Anybody else using something else OTA to air C-Quam (or other AM Stereo > modes) over the air? I have a Part 15 rig in ISB Stereo. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Jul 06 00:50:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35924 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 07:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2009 07:50:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f186.google.com) (209.85.222.186) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 07:50:33 -0000 X-Received: by pzk16 with SMTP id 16so3198465pzk.20 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:50:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.90.16 with SMTP id s16mr5113450wal.116.1246866633062; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j26sm10654603waf.63.2009.07.06.00.50.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <09c901c9fe0e$6d5a6e10$7b01a8c0@xppro> To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 00:50:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=1W_z0nLLTMH0_jnw3yOIMYlRP2x8v7SyUMfbM7tf9XdQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can you build me one of those awesome home brues? also what range do you get out of that? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? I have one of the later Chris Cuff units in addition to a prototype of my own. My prototype is a digital phase to amplitude design that implements the CQUAM defining equation. The digital output drivers alone meet Part 15 with 800 mW PEP. I have experimenting with using it to drive a pair of 6146 in Class E. Into a Cantenna, of course. Mike ************** Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Jul 06 01:03:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40792 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 08:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2009 08:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f171.google.com) (209.85.216.171) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 08:03:32 -0000 X-Received: by pxi1 with SMTP id 1so3226406pxi.5 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:03:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.158.1 with SMTP id g1mr7271014wae.18.1246867411150; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k35sm10692331waf.53.2009.07.06.01.03.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0c1a01c9fe10$3c7da990$7b01a8c0@xppro> To: References: <816438.34432.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000901c9fc2d$ec580890$7b01a8c0@xppro> <002c01c9fc33$26b72c00$6900a8c0@B> <013e01c9fc4b$45b1d980$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 01:03:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=qtD6byPFCimG8BZm8eSp67Sd_DKF5Vzs9ZHUn_sBORjJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wt is jony electron's email addi? lost contact with him ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 6:58 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? I think WLS is still running stereo at night, though what little you'd hear would be local commercials and such. Johnny Electron says that CFCO 630 is still stereo, but don't know if their signal gets out your way or not. Last I knew KCJJ was stereo too. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In our newly installed oldschool am stereo Car-Radio I haven't been able to find a single AM Stereo broadcast, except *MAYBE ONE EVENING* when I caught something flashing on 1350, but that's about it... What about KJCC-1630 ? Unfortunatly, my car radio only tunes up to 1620 kHz. At least it tunes 1610-1620, so it tunes the Haitian local... On FM it is VERY deaf, I can't receive a single local even in downtown Montreal, so it may be broken on FM --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Jul 06 04:30:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33245 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 11:30:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2009 11:30:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f218.google.com) (209.85.217.218) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 11:30:24 -0000 X-Received: by gxk18 with SMTP id 18so6400521gxk.15 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:29:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.101.17 with SMTP id y17mr1685669agb.80.1246879764172; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from kj4hyd4cbb84aa (dialup-4.152.207.197.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.207.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm6684622agd.32.2009.07.06.04.29.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002001c9fe2c$f872d0a0$c5cf9804@kj4hyd4cbb84aa> To: References: <870139.22341.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0a2b01c9fde6$7e5317d0$8dcf9804@kj4hyd4cbb84aa> <004501c9fdec$60c03c10$7b01a8c0@xppro> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 07:29:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "KJ4HYD" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=dt3u1fAwFCupdQB4JBD4bUVMl2VsFQ_Ogys6zVfmEj6-R2k0_K74m4a3O671IQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank smith" wrote: > wht transmitter you using and what your range? Home Brew 100 mw Transmitter. about 1/4 Mile. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Jul 06 13:14:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49165 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 20:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2009 20:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f183.google.com) (209.85.216.183) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 20:14:20 -0000 X-Received: by pxi13 with SMTP id 13so2590971pxi.28 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:13:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.159.16 with SMTP id h16mr8099926wae.35.1246911199549; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v9sm11854237wah.1.2009.07.06.13.13.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003901c9fe76$3311cb50$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: <870139.22341.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0a2b01c9fde6$7e5317d0$8dcf9804@kj4hyd4cbb84aa> <004501c9fdec$60c03c10$7b01a8c0@xppro> <002001c9fe2c$f872d0a0$c5cf9804@kj4hyd4cbb84aa> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:13:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Um6GYOk4tRbVb4U-Nu5e8PWXJH_tvaZK2DJGZUJhnvWd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cool can you send a recording of what it sounds like? don't know what different in sound from cquam verses other standards ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ4HYD To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 4:29 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank smith" wrote: > wht transmitter you using and what your range? Home Brew 100 mw Transmitter. about 1/4 Mile. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Jul 06 13:33:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22521 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 20:33:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2009 20:33:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f226.google.com) (209.85.217.226) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 20:33:46 -0000 X-Received: by gxk26 with SMTP id 26so1215274gxk.13 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:33:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.49.8 with SMTP id w8mr2152023agw.64.1246912404003; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from kj4hyd4cbb84aa ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm263933aga.18.2009.07.06.13.33.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <870139.22341.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0a2b01c9fde6$7e5317d0$8dcf9804@kj4hyd4cbb84aa> <004501c9fdec$60c03c10$7b01a8c0@xppro> <002001c9fe2c$f872d0a0$c5cf9804@kj4hyd4cbb84aa> <003901c9fe76$3311cb50$813f10ac@xppro> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:33:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "KJ4HYD" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Wwyb3K7wKqipZHHwak0j7CVhnBwoRIDXB4l9rBMt1_0Mh4tZH3aBbqe91dqbPw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank smith" To: Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? > can you send a recording of what it sounds like? > don't know what different in sound from cquam verses other standards Close up, ISB sounds the same as C-QUAM. The difference is under adverse conditions ISB does not have any "Platform Motion" and less "Ducking" during selective fading. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Jul 06 13:37:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21886 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 20:37:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2009 20:37:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.178) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 20:37:18 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j40so765377wah.14 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:36:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.54.7 with SMTP id g7mr8160668wak.147.1246912577915; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l28sm11802781waf.19.2009.07.06.13.36.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <036b01c9fe79$68c8fc70$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: <870139.22341.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0a2b01c9fde6$7e5317d0$8dcf9804@kj4hyd4cbb84aa> <004501c9fdec$60c03c10$7b01a8c0@xppro> <002001c9fe2c$f872d0a0$c5cf9804@kj4hyd4cbb84aa> <003901c9fe76$3311cb50$813f10ac@xppro> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:36:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=DMW2V9iDupzrMcqoWxuiY1ly5ReD2EtnJfjal7138_Rb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how did you get the esd to build your transmitter? the other standard? also can you tell me your antanna set up? ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ4HYD To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank smith" To: Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? > can you send a recording of what it sounds like? > don't know what different in sound from cquam verses other standards Close up, ISB sounds the same as C-QUAM. The difference is under adverse conditions ISB does not have any "Platform Motion" and less "Ducking" during selective fading. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Jul 06 13:38:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2047 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 20:38:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2009 20:38:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.181) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 20:38:09 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so830354waf.28 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:37:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.148.2 with SMTP id v2mr8172675wad.7.1246912671641; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l38sm11807448waf.61.2009.07.06.13.37.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <037501c9fe79$a1393a70$813f10ac@xppro> To: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 13:37:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Vsb74bD0-2pDk_kQ4b1vFZi58ncMii1rdad3_bY-woSU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello I have one of the butiful transmitters from our buddy in greece I am wanting to put a out door cb antanna to get range any recommendations on types or if this will work? also any tips on getting range? I will be setting this in my back yard in my new house in central tucson az Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jul 06 19:58:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53754 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 02:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 02:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 02:58:34 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a52b9982d7; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:57:28 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c69.4c2d3606 (39329) for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 22:57:57 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.200 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=y5II8tsQOGUJGMytS22HaeVPx3DcL9t5nHYvxkHaZqJOrsxoreNF4N1okBVEg4pe X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Our Greek friends build their transmitter with a standard 50 ohm output which does not match CB length antennas very well. At the least, you will need to load the antenna. Ideally, you will want a tuner to match it to a length of coax. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jul 06 20:18:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71074 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 03:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 03:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 03:18:55 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n673Ik0I001180 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:18:46 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c24.63881559 (39329) for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:19:13 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=hmXJ763xgcbD1bMPAlpvSfPXvywlx1nZj-xqSrRc_bnBQ2HZsuN-DPbz-Gqc5caY X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/6/2009 2:50:54 AM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > can you build me one of those awesome home brues? > also what range do you get out of that? > I need to lay out some formal boards as it is currently on a broadboard, or rather polypropylene cutting board. Like Sotoris, the composite output is matched to standard 50 ohms. The reason for this was to allow for use of standard test equipment to do the performance measurements. Range is a matter of power output, antenna, ground, and matching. I can address the power issue. The final is digital. The output efficiency is greater than 80% and it can achieve 800 mW PEP without exceeding 100 mW DC unmodulated. This is the equivalent of a 80 mW output carrier modulated to 125% positive modulation. Efficiency is higher for higher outputs as at low power the inherent voltage drop of the pass elements is large compared to the signal. The 6146 final has over 93% plate efficiency. Other designs generated the CQUAM composite signal linearly and rely on a linear final amplifier state which is not very efficient. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 06 23:02:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88866 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 06:02:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 06:02:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.97) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 06:02:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79752 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 06:02:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO z2s0f1) (jimsmith95650@75.31.51.7 with login) by smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 06:02:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wmxJC.0VM1lB8flmO4nHB9a_FPV5dGAmwWexQvuSl8.MKQ8Z.BVC8wTqUGXKEsSIAIRWUsJGKzGsFCweGLRk4EC_6ZmGyynUpDQZKBN52erdjuRejC48K1Fgd1rHlgfMsZx_oWy9ufvcVF22vroJsNfhBapLQFKlVmVcOtx2_vCrn00MF6rE7z69WcWSlJa3hmrD7XoE4L3qnJpqOyYjCAgC6cc_RRvDTZcviYDp1_FCJHAzX11dxTAonFQAG7quxa1lK6s6TTVObdQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000e01c9fec9$7b1316e0$5ce8fea9@z2s0f1> To: Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:08:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.64.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Hi Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=8K_bBM58sHF7ZIvFhXnXWF9Gdb1T2bMx57FiUZNVDj6PCi6UDp64zRLy5onPKNhmxo_edIq6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang OT: I had put the good word out that most of the off topic stuff is gone here now . I hope that others will come back!!! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Jul 06 23:49:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42335 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 06:49:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 06:49:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f196.google.com) (209.85.216.196) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 06:49:27 -0000 X-Received: by pxi34 with SMTP id 34so3892109pxi.20 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:48:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.168.15 with SMTP id q15mr8890011wae.56.1246949307194; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j34sm12448288waf.64.2009.07.06.23.48.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <018001c9fece$ed1934e0$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:48:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=kpFmCq96ufIGUtLr6EUvo8myyH3nC6vVntX8u71psUX8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit any idea on how to obtain one and what one would I need? am totally confused ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 7:57 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? Our Greek friends build their transmitter with a standard 50 ohm output which does not match CB length antennas very well. At the least, you will need to load the antenna. Ideally, you will want a tuner to match it to a length of coax. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Jul 06 23:51:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16585 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 06:51:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 06:51:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f199.google.com) (209.85.216.199) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 06:51:41 -0000 X-Received: by pxi37 with SMTP id 37so3331548pxi.19 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:51:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.95.1 with SMTP id s1mr6198153wab.0.1246949478538; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n33sm267387wag.56.2009.07.06.23.51.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <019601c9fecf$53d28240$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:51:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Mkh626SdqgNxcUOJDNjtMSkeGKETY5daIOXoyl4px2NT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what do you recommend? I will be having a sighted friend set up the mast for the antanna ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? In a message dated 7/6/2009 2:50:54 AM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > can you build me one of those awesome home brues? > also what range do you get out of that? > I need to lay out some formal boards as it is currently on a broadboard, or rather polypropylene cutting board. Like Sotoris, the composite output is matched to standard 50 ohms. The reason for this was to allow for use of standard test equipment to do the performance measurements. Range is a matter of power output, antenna, ground, and matching. I can address the power issue. The final is digital. The output efficiency is greater than 80% and it can achieve 800 mW PEP without exceeding 100 mW DC unmodulated. This is the equivalent of a 80 mW output carrier modulated to 125% positive modulation. Efficiency is higher for higher outputs as at low power the inherent voltage drop of the pass elements is large compared to the signal. The 6146 final has over 93% plate efficiency. Other designs generated the CQUAM composite signal linearly and rely on a linear final amplifier state which is not very efficient. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Jul 07 00:01:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9152 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 07:01:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 07:01:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f201.google.com) (209.85.216.201) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 07:01:11 -0000 X-Received: by pxi39 with SMTP id 39so1367074pxi.4 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:00:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.120.8 with SMTP id s8mr8896453wac.219.1246950010381; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l38sm12477462waf.61.2009.07.07.00.00.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01f801c9fed0$905768b0$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: <000e01c9fec9$7b1316e0$5ce8fea9@z2s0f1> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 00:00:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hi Gang X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Uj3gFfdrqeWirDqNQVyioIzHiWE8rpiBro5gGPFpENhf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was one of them am glad to be back ----- Original Message ----- From: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: jim smith Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 11:08 PM Subject: {AMSF} Hi Gang Hi Gang OT: I had put the good word out that most of the off topic stuff is gone here now . I hope that others will come back!!! Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jul 07 04:14:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35637 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 11:13:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 11:13:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 11:13:58 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n67BDoZw000901 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:13:50 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d08.5b50f448 (29672) for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:14:21 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=kfc0an3JwpL22d-Flu9GldUPD6J6ILa0A4wD5GzgdihaUGUiQxZP9dR7Bnxy1t6r X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you are operating in the Extended AM Broadcast Band, I would think a 160 meter antenna tuner could be modified to work. I am certain Sotoris gets alot requests for this sort of thing and may have some ideas off the shelf. According to Part 15, a transmitter must be furnished with the antenna it is intended to used with. Driving a simple 3 meter length of wire with a straight 50 ohm output would be lucky to get you across the room. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jul 07 04:27:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32506 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 11:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 11:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 11:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n67BQUJ4029271 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:26:31 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d27.343cf721 (29672) for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:27:00 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7wtEWY5fScjgeyJXl9y8rIWGtwA-rLKvaT7RyW9yAmpu_bYahbEFdvB8WCdOhJQB X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's a matter of legality. I have read some really heoric attempts to built antennas with even a percent or two of radiation efficiency that were compliant with Part 15. There are differences of opinion even within the FCC as to what constitutes a ground lead which in my opinion is the most important and critical element. This is not legal advice, but as a practical matter, I would think if you asiduously avoid interference with licensed service and make a good faith attempt at compliance, the FCC will direct their limited resources to the more blatent offenders. I know of only one instance where the Feds went after someone for excessive ground lead length and even then it appeared there were other issues and that was just the easiest thing to prove. Most pirate radio enforcement actions are against FMers who are running power that is many orders of magnitude greater than permitted. Nowadays, one probably has more to fear from being sued by the music industry for unlicensed public performance. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Jul 07 09:38:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82534 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 16:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 16:38:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f175.google.com) (209.85.216.175) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 16:38:06 -0000 X-Received: by pxi5 with SMTP id 5so4270273pxi.11 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:37:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.112.18 with SMTP id k18mr9650736wac.131.1246984675772; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j39sm13458112waf.45.2009.07.07.09.37.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004e01c9ff21$46a21200$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:37:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=KSA2x2fOHP0nQurx6BWTMeSzsRFZQLOOVP3w4mMc7Yuw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can he chime in? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:14 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? If you are operating in the Extended AM Broadcast Band, I would think a 160 meter antenna tuner could be modified to work. I am certain Sotoris gets alot requests for this sort of thing and may have some ideas off the shelf. According to Part 15, a transmitter must be furnished with the antenna it is intended to used with. Driving a simple 3 meter length of wire with a straight 50 ohm output would be lucky to get you across the room. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Jul 07 12:02:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70424 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 19:02:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 19:02:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f171.google.com) (209.85.210.171) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 19:02:36 -0000 X-Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so561525yxe.7 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:01:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.56.17 with SMTP id e17mr532350aga.109.1246993296027; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from kj4hyd4cbb84aa ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm2846183aga.45.2009.07.07.12.01.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: , , Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:01:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "KJ4HYD" Subject: Simian Software Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=1TKA5LKfD2LM9HdqqF95YvJ0Qh3IQHb7ovH7oJp0WdEVykHtL9Ba3LfyNpDK6g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody here running Simian for their Automation? I have a question about Record macros. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Jul 07 12:05:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93524 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 19:05:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 19:05:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f217.google.com) (209.85.217.217) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 19:05:12 -0000 X-Received: by gxk17 with SMTP id 17so2326064gxk.8 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:04:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.73.17 with SMTP id v17mr518777aga.24.1246993451849; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from kj4hyd4cbb84aa ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 17sm3051372agd.66.2009.07.07.12.04.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3E0D6D609B0C41F7A12B536887619802@kj4hyd4cbb84aa> To: References: <037501c9fe79$a1393a70$813f10ac@xppro> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:04:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.217 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "KJ4HYD" Subject: Re: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=roPJm6DwhdX-cZcR4IGTZXoGyR9K3FtYBJP9y4RN0me6QD-ufuwvnNtHCURFKg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank smith" To: Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? > I am wanting to put a out door cb antanna to get range any recommendations > on types or if this will work? CB Antennas are tuned for 27 MHz, The AM X-Band is from 1.6 to 1.8 MHz, so it will not work well. You are better off to make your own tuning network and antenna mast. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Tue Jul 07 13:04:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61736 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 20:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 20:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 20:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 20:04:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jul 2009 20:04:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:04:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <870139.22341.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=48UaiVhXjMINXXiqiIYInfdAp0g8oKg320dB2FMHxf4HkNValgpVIK6F X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon I have been sporadically transmitting about 300mW at 1610 kHz into a 50' ve= rtical in a folded-unipole configuration. The antenna structure is a Rohn = telescoping mast with a log-periodic and yagi at the top that serve dual-du= ty as capacitance hats. As I have not yet put in a real ground system, I h= ave four extension cords spread out from the base of the antenna as above-g= round radials. I was surprised to see that this setup can put out enough o= f a signal to light the tuning LED on a SRF-42 or a Realistic DX-350 (the l= ittle AM/FM/Shortwave portable that runs on 4 AA cells) up to 3/4 of a mile= away. On the Fourth of July, I was running a marching band music marathon. I rec= eived a signal report from a local DXer I know, who originally thought that= he was listening to a TIS station. However, I wouldn't be surprised if I = am the only person who knows that I am transmitting C-QUAM. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > >=20 > Who all has either an Alfredo (Lite) C-Quam transmitter, or a Greek trans= mitter from our buddy Sotiris, on the air today? >=20 > Anybody else using something else OTA to air C-Quam (or other AM Stereo m= odes) over the air? >=20 > Happy 4th of July, and Happy 1st of July to our Canadian friends. > 73's > John > From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jul 07 13:37:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50097 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 20:37:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 20:37:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 20:37:22 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n67Kb5rd002566 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:37:05 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cfb.5b934e78 (30740) for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:37:04 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=rvgfBNtlHCHH2XqV9pAq9Vq2MegptejRobugMYkTY0zcC8MtBMdGGlsQlFTwd5MX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't believe folded unipoles use capacitance hats at the top. Because the radiator is "folded", the top is actually at the bottom. When the radiator is short, the capacitance used to extend its effective electrical length is usually actual capacitor(s) at the base between the fold wires and ground system. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jul 07 16:05:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1186 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2009 23:05:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jul 2009 23:05:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2009 23:05:26 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.173] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090707180514100901800010.0) with SMTP id <20090707180514100901800010> for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:05:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e901c9ff57$b4d89420$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <037501c9fe79$a1393a70$813f10ac@xppro> <3E0D6D609B0C41F7A12B536887619802@kj4hyd4cbb84aa> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:05:14 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=5JBfWhE_pjrC6_Wd3lMl4EhpgNhEcBXB1FGhX9eYl8WkZFtGBfSu X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Transmitter should be at the base of the antenna with no cable in between. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ4HYD To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank smith" To: Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? > I am wanting to put a out door cb antanna to get range any recommendations > on types or if this will work? CB Antennas are tuned for 27 MHz, The AM X-Band is from 1.6 to 1.8 MHz, so it will not work well. You are better off to make your own tuning network and antenna mast. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Jul 07 18:14:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48717 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2009 01:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2009 01:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f190.google.com) (209.85.216.190) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 01:14:56 -0000 X-Received: by pxi28 with SMTP id 28so187066pxi.13 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:14:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.58.20 with SMTP id l20mr10431809wak.2.1247015686222; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c26sm1988546waa.15.2009.07.07.18.14.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003101c9ff69$759fddb0$7b01a8c0@xppro> To: References: <037501c9fe79$a1393a70$813f10ac@xppro> <3E0D6D609B0C41F7A12B536887619802@kj4hyd4cbb84aa> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 18:14:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=NlmpfD-lINmzhDKBHIlP8xmbQ8OkKf7E5wuGuIZlGZ9c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit y deas for sitres to go to to get this done? ----- Original Message ----- From: KJ4HYD To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank smith" To: Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? > I am wanting to put a out door cb antanna to get range any recommendations > on types or if this will work? CB Antennas are tuned for 27 MHz, The AM X-Band is from 1.6 to 1.8 MHz, so it will not work well. You are better off to make your own tuning network and antenna mast. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Jul 07 18:16:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94581 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2009 01:16:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2009 01:16:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f194.google.com) (209.85.216.194) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 01:16:46 -0000 X-Received: by pxi32 with SMTP id 32so1050553pxi.30 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:16:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.88.1 with SMTP id l1mr10361654wab.143.1247015805033; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l27sm13980948waf.20.2009.07.07.18.16.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00b601c9ff69$bc4669f0$7b01a8c0@xppro> To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 18:16:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=ekJhJS9__uQA0XsPPpjblrqh-Ptpy84dyUJNb702dA2A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit do you normally put it down to 100 mw? ----- Original Message ----- From: alfredotorrejon To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:04 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? I have been sporadically transmitting about 300mW at 1610 kHz into a 50' vertical in a folded-unipole configuration. The antenna structure is a Rohn telescoping mast with a log-periodic and yagi at the top that serve dual-duty as capacitance hats. As I have not yet put in a real ground system, I have four extension cords spread out from the base of the antenna as above-ground radials. I was surprised to see that this setup can put out enough of a signal to light the tuning LED on a SRF-42 or a Realistic DX-350 (the little AM/FM/Shortwave portable that runs on 4 AA cells) up to 3/4 of a mile away. On the Fourth of July, I was running a marching band music marathon. I received a signal report from a local DXer I know, who originally thought that he was listening to a TIS station. However, I wouldn't be surprised if I am the only person who knows that I am transmitting C-QUAM. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > > Who all has either an Alfredo (Lite) C-Quam transmitter, or a Greek transmitter from our buddy Sotiris, on the air today? > > Anybody else using something else OTA to air C-Quam (or other AM Stereo modes) over the air? > > Happy 4th of July, and Happy 1st of July to our Canadian friends. > 73's > John > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 07 19:03:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48917 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2009 02:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2009 02:03:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 02:03:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94162 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2009 02:03:12 -0000 Message-ID: <91551.92923.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Yjn7DHMVM1nf7EoFDrB4pZhx5aHtGnTJE.71bWnUT0qgDSD3YLj1zvdb.EX0K26dnQTOxPqoNtncqz.JrzO_KVlD7Jml8_47YSGG._dVWCJvg9ZJ4Jri0u2sJ309xwbeb8X29lfbtxP_AfjUSaprB0uefmhWQ5Od7nNaG_uKB5xCahb_5xmhJFdcMWM9ZqQw6rmUiZm5P3An8LGgqpiuz_MGMx0xa3uzU90Q_IxdZrtSqEGjxaXQuh0g0lh0lZQEgFQvYTy8jajvV.sNyNCLhmJ0dG2qvSyQw2lTroltLrlG_8w8Zy8ivnI- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:03:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:03:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Help Hank with Antenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=RgqYVHG80p4x4pJrl59K4sR-eCmV35bXxr2idzLWiSeejl2hgJweqrE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hello Everybody, Can we all figure out an antenna for our (vision-impaired) buddy Hank? Does anybody have an old antenna tuner and/or 4:1 balun to donate to the "AM stereo in Arizona" cause? Suggestions for a home brew antenna for his ASPiSYS transmitter that you could possibly have pre-assembled to assist him? Thanks everybody, John From w6yn@juno.com Wed Jul 08 07:18:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22624 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2009 14:18:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2009 14:18:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 14:18:06 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail11.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.151]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFFKLR7AYGKG82 for (sender ); Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:15:25 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5HshD95cOF7+BVWYZhIIE8= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail11.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PLX2J9GD; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:15:20 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.25.34] by webmail11.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:15:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 14:15:15 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20090708.071515.26191.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 11:5:2366013579 X-MAIL-INFO:59833fa73b83e39b77833fbbef0b470f57b3672b7f6ffebefebf2b X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.151|webmail11.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Favorite Radio Programs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=rBTJfPxN6k8vFZZ0Vr6QpZtlhyvYA495DI_P4PXxFA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn RadioTime.com Releases Ranking of Its Users=92 Favorite Radio Programs Well-Known Names and Some Surprises Make Up the Top 19 DALLAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--RadioTime, Inc., a developer of technology for fin= ding and listening to radio online, today released the first RadioTime.com = Top 19 Programs, a list of the most listened-to programs on RadioTime.com f= or the month of June 2009. The list, which RadioTime will update monthly, f= eatures some well-known programs and demonstrates how RadioTime enables use= rs to discover lesser-known shows airing around the world. The five most popular programs are: =93Rush Limbaugh,=94 =93Steve Harvey,= =94 =93The Savage Nation,=94 =93Glenn Beck=94 and =93Laura Ingraham.=94 Thr= ee sports programs make the list, including two shows airing on The Ticket = 1310 AM/104.1 FM in Dallas, Tex., =93The Musers=94 and =93The Hardline.=94 =93Listeners use RadioTime to find their favorite station format and engagi= ng personalities,=94 says Dan Halyburton, President, RadioTime, Inc. =93The= Ticket 1310 AM and 104.1 FM in Dallas is a web favorite, demonstrating Int= ernet radio=92s ability to help a local station compete on a worldwide stag= e.=94 RadioTime.com=92s international presence is evident, with BBC Radio 1=92s = =93The Chris Moyles Show=94 and BBC Radio 4=92s =93Today=94 placing 11th an= d 14th respectively. NPR=92s top program is =93Morning Edition,=94 which ra= nks seventh overall. =93Our objectives for our new RadioTime.com Top 19 Programs list is to show= which programs are the favorites among our users right now and to help the= m discover new favorites, so we expect to see additional shows and on-air p= ersonalities make future lists even if they are not syndicated programs,=94= adds Halyburton. RadioTime.com's Top 19 Programs 1 The Rush Limbaugh Show 2 The Steve Harvey Morning Show 3 The Savage Nation 4 The Glenn Beck Program 5 Laura Ingraham Show 6 The Sean Hannity Show 7 NPR's Morning Edition 8 Coast to Coast AM 9 Dr. Laura Schlessinger Show 10 The Musers 11 The Chris Moyles Show- BBC Radio 1 12 Mark Levin Show 13 The Hardline 14 BBC 4 Today 15 The Dave Ramsey Show 16 The Dennis Miller Show 17 The Jim Rome Show 18 Tom Joyner Morning Show 19 The Michael Baisden Show About RadioTime RadioTime provides an easy means of finding local, national, or global radi= o programming airing on stations in 140 countries and broadcasting in 55 di= fferent languages. Listeners can use RadioTime to automatically detect what= is airing on their local stations, browse by affiliates, and search for sp= ecific programs or on-air personalities, not just station call letters or g= enre. The RadioTime service also powers a wide range of consumer electronic= devices and software applications.=20 From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Wed Jul 08 14:00:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36873 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2009 20:59:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jul 2009 20:59:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2009 20:59:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2009 20:59:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jul 2009 20:59:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:59:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=HU_QRQOU6eckpCsUX8EtOTLfFUeHP8xQ0I-2-jD2aMy9HEVO0CLX1cE4 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon I had been meaning to get one of these telescoping poles for quite some tim= e to experiment with. The log-periodic is a VHF receive antenna that I fou= nd in the attic when I moved here. It used to provide very good signals lo= cal TV stations until those transmitters were shut down by government manda= te. The Yagi is a 10-element unit cut for the FM band, and was given to me= by a local DXer who had it sitting around in his back yard (he has several= FM receive Yagis and didn't need this one). That antenna is a pretty cool= DX antenna! I should have clarified that any capacitive loading effects that these Yagi= s contribute to the vertical antenna are purely incidental. I measured the= resonant frequency of the antenna around 3.5 MHz. Theoretically a vertica= l antenna of this height should resonate around 4.9 MHz, so I think that th= e antennas at the top of the mast are contributing some loading.* Ultimate= ly, I intend to use the vertical for the 80 meter HAM band. To resonate the antenna for the AM broadcast band, I place a variable capac= itor in series with it. Initially, I tried using a variable capacitor in p= arallel with it, but the impedance at resonance was very high. With a seri= es capacitor, the impedance end up somewhat under 10 Ohms, which I can matc= h using a small autotransformer that I wound on a ferrite core. I am not endorsing that anybody repeat my experiments because the signal em= itted exceeds the Part 15 limits by quite a bit. This field strength limit= is defined as 24000/(Frequency in kHz) uV/meter at 30 meters from the ante= nna (source: http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bu= lletins/oet63/oet63rev.pdf ). I ran this calculation for 1610 kHz, and I f= ound that the maximum field strength at 30 meters (about 90 feet) from the = antenna is about 15 uV/meter. By comparison, the sensitivity of portable A= M radios is specified somewhere around 250-500 uV/m. Thus, a legitimate Pa= rt 15 AM setup shouldn't be audible on a Walkman at 90 feet, but it might b= e receivable on a more sensitive receiver if the surroundings are electrica= lly quiet (i.e., no switching power supplies, computers, brush motors, neon= signs, etc. are nearby). The FCC wisely realized that electronics experimenters (who wished to build= "phono oscillators" and similar devices to transmit their voices or record= s to nearby AM radios) generally have no way of accurately measuring the fi= eld strength of radio signals. Thus, they wrote the 100 mW DC input power = (because DC power is easier to measure accurately than RF power) and 3 mete= r maximum antenna and lead-in length (to limit the antenna system efficienc= y by making it much smaller than the wavelength) provisions into the rules. Years ago, I was reading many of the reports (publicly available on the FCC= 's web site) about pirate station raids. In practice, what triggers a vis= it from the FCC is a complaint about interference or about a signal that "i= sn't supposed to be there." After the FCC direction-finds the source of th= e signal, they will estimate the distance to the transmitting antenna and t= ake a field strength reading. They then do a calculation to extrapolate wh= at the field strength would be at 3 meters from the antenna (for the FM bro= adcast band) or at 30 meters (for AM). If the signal exceeds the field str= ength limits, they send a "notice of apparent liability" ordering that the = station be brought into compliance or shut down. If the agents find that t= he signal is still on the air after the warning letter has been received, t= hen they take action (i.e. go on premises to confiscate the equipment).=20 --Alfredo * Some time ago, I read about a HAM who had a tower (about 90-100' tall) wi= th a big Yagi on top. He wanted to turn the tower into a shunt-fed vertica= l for 160m and 80m. However, when he attached the folded-unipole feed wire= s to his tower and measured the impedance, the found that his tower resonat= ed at 1450 kHz (!) and would thus not be practical to use as a vertical rad= iator. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "alfredotorrejon" w= rote: > > I have been sporadically transmitting about 300mW at 1610 kHz into a 50' = vertical in a folded-unipole configuration. The antenna structure is a Roh= n telescoping mast with a log-periodic and yagi at the top that serve dual-= duty as capacitance hats. As I have not yet put in a real ground system, I= have four extension cords spread out from the base of the antenna as above= -ground radials. I was surprised to see that this setup can put out enough= of a signal to light the tuning LED on a SRF-42 or a Realistic DX-350 (the= little AM/FM/Shortwave portable that runs on 4 AA cells) up to 3/4 of a mi= le away. >=20 > On the Fourth of July, I was running a marching band music marathon. I r= eceived a signal report from a local DXer I know, who originally thought th= at he was listening to a TIS station. However, I wouldn't be surprised if = I am the only person who knows that I am transmitting C-QUAM. >=20 > --Alfredo >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > > >=20 > > Who all has either an Alfredo (Lite) C-Quam transmitter, or a Greek tra= nsmitter from our buddy Sotiris, on the air today? > >=20 > > Anybody else using something else OTA to air C-Quam (or other AM Stereo= modes) over the air? > >=20 > > Happy 4th of July, and Happy 1st of July to our Canadian friends. > > 73's > > John > > > From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Wed Jul 08 21:01:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81414 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 04:01:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 04:01:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 04:01:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2009 04:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2009 04:01:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:01:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <805292.8872.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.51.64.138 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: Panama chooses the BUZZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=tqeM5VomxsEZvG_S6RbSMLbTHvyGRhI5xuELkccNU28oD6i9mgacKw8W X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon I visited Panama early in June of this year. Based on what I observed in P= anama City, Bocas del Toro, and some points in between (on the Pan American= Highway), I suspect that Panamanian broadcasters will only bother with HD-= Radio on the FM dial. In Panama, the radio landscape is dominated by networks of FM translators w= ith local-grade signals in most of the major population centers. For insta= nce, in Bocas del Toro, a poor and somewhat rural community, I could receiv= e 29 FM signals on a portable radio, but there was only one AM band signal = strong enough to light the "TUNING" LED. That one AM station was a simulca= st of one of the FMs, and both were programmed from Panama City. As far as= I could tell, only one of those FMs had local programming, with all the re= st being relays of stations in Panama City or other communities. In Panama City, there were a number of AM stations, but many were in very p= athetic shape, particularly from a technical standpoint. One splattered qu= ite a bit, several had a lot of distortion, and there were a number that ha= d incidental phase modulation problems* (as revealed by my SRF-42). These = were decrepit radio stations using old transmitters that were poorly mainta= ined. The clock radio in the hotel where I stayed in Panama City was a Son= y FM-only unit, leading me to wonder if AM radio has much of a listenership= at all over there. FM, on the other hand, is aggressively marketed, with = the phone book having a special section for FM Stereo radio stations. I fo= und the whole deal quite sad. --Alfredo On the SRF-42, in the stereo position, one station (Radio Ancon 1120 AM) ha= d a very loud 120 Hz power line hum, two stations had a "rushing" sound--no= t IBOC but more like a noisy oscillator, and several had extra distortion t= hat was not heard in the mono position. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > >=20 > WTF would Panama choose IBOC when then they supposedly tested DRM and DAB= ? They left out Leonard's CAM-D - Kahn probably didn't want to get malaria= going down there to test it out! > From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 08 21:14:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87823 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 04:14:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 04:14:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 04:14:02 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n694DKjL023763 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:13:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bb9.491f6950 (30737) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:13:16 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KIiycqgTBAkqwqvkCTaZQLk81aqKoEWgqFwsIza3BbxhmGS9tjyX2UFcWXP9sGYC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alf, As your antenna is shorter than 1/4 wavelength at 1610 khz, it should be capacitive reactive. That can only be cancelled with an inductor. I am not certain what you are doing with series capacitor. The restriction you cite is the old lamba/2pi field requirement that governed carrier current AM stations typically found on college campuses. Carrier current broadcasting relied on a phenomenon known as near field. Unlike a conventional *radiated* signal where the field intensity is the inverse of the distance, the near field falls off very fast with respect to distance. A properly installed carrier current station could deliver a tens of millivolt signal within a 50 or so feet of the coupled power line yet the signal would fall off to near nothing at three or four times that distance. To get the greatest advantage, carrier current stations, like their 100mW brethen, typically operated at the low end of the dial. The then unallocated 530 khz was a popular frequency. The quickest way to get in trouble with the FCC is interference with a licensed service which is not permissible even if the station is technically compliant. The Fed don't have vans equipped with direction finders roaming the country looking for pirate broadcasters. Typically, they respond to complaints stemming from interference with a licensed service. Unless you happen to live across the street from the local field office, it is doubtful even running 10 or 100 watts on the AM broadcast band without a legitimate tower or very long wire you could deliver a detectable signal to their office even in a metropolitan area. The pirates who get caught are FMers running hundreds if not thousands of watts into readily available high gain antennas. Yes, those log periodics and Yagis work both ways, receiving and transmitting. Just 100 watts into a 20 db gain antenna will produce an ERP of 10,000 watts. If you are not interfering with a licensed service, who you most have to worry about are local hams. The economy and general state of affairs on AM has just about put pirate radio out of business. If you got anything that anyone besides yourself is willing to listen to, there are lots of starving broadcasters who would be more than willing to put you on licensed air. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 08 21:33:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9631 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 04:33:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 04:33:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 04:33:53 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n694XFqq031726 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:33:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c47.5df35cd6 (30737) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:33:12 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Favorite Radio Programs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Q43WkizYzTAoTl6nStEd6c_1OhxHo3m4k6H0x1qIFh84wMLINNgpZZAtr_dKGi-T X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where is Randi Rhodes? Rachel Maddow? Ed Schultz? I don't think you would find the likes of Rush Limbaugh on the Beep. In fact, the UK won't even let Michael Savage in the country. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 08 21:36:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19349 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 04:36:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 04:36:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.159.7) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 04:36:03 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a55737a27a; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:35:06 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d5d.42052f49 (30737) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:34:59 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.159.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5EPqY_6mB59qVhnAr78q22uGz_GnyZwnkhNrWcfSzsyYOfFhy3TT8UksnQAQ71Rf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why not email Sotoris and ask him? Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 08 21:40:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77146 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 04:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 04:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m28.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.9) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 04:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a55746e370; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:39:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bbf.52f5dc00 (30737) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:39:05 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.9 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Hank with Antenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qrGTcJurEORY5lI4UsZt1_wgAHykuajGytWXL7Ewo3RG5tPa8i-niSGk91tdxkX4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, My plant hanger/mushroom anchor antenna works pretty well for legal apartment antenna. I got the "parts" from WalMart and would be pleased to furnish a Wally Gift Certificate to get them locally. The shipping is more than they're worth. I would also be pleased to contribute to getting a 160 meter tuner off eBay. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Wed Jul 08 21:43:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49738 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 04:43:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 04:43:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 04:43:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2009 04:42:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2009 04:42:28 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:42:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.51.64.138 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: {AMSF} Re: How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=QQKcclHB4i11TEkMtwupkRruthTNzg7fml5nSwxSCI0xQGQfdDHF0YmT X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Here is a link with diagrams illustrating the approach that I used: http://= www.qsl.net/w9rb/webdoc9.htm Their explanation about the matching is a bit= more thorough than mine. This thing behaves differently than the traditio= nal "Marconi" vertical with an insulated base. As I turn the variable capa= citor, while measuring the impedance, I do see a resonance. By the way, here is a link to a compact antenna that could conceivably be b= uilt to meet Part-15 regulations: http://www.antennex.com/preview/monopole.= htm I haven't tested this against a traditional coil-loaded vertical, but = there is a chance that it might be more efficient because the matching sche= me eliminates the resistance associated with a loading coil. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Alf, >=20 > As your antenna is shorter than 1/4 wavelength at 1610 khz, it should be= =20 > capacitive reactive. That can only be cancelled with an inductor. I am = not=20 > certain what you are doing with series capacitor.=20=20 >=20 > The restriction you cite is the old lamba/2pi field requirement that=20 > governed carrier current AM stations typically found on college campuses.= Carrier=20 > current broadcasting relied on a phenomenon known as near field. Unlike = a=20 > conventional *radiated* signal where the field intensity is the inverse o= f=20 > the distance, the near field falls off very fast with respect to distance= . A=20 > properly installed carrier current station could deliver a tens of=20 > millivolt signal within a 50 or so feet of the coupled power line yet the= signal=20 > would fall off to near nothing at three or four times that distance. To = get=20 > the greatest advantage, carrier current stations, like their 100mW brethe= n,=20 > typically operated at the low end of the dial. The then unallocated 530 = khz=20 > was a popular frequency. >=20 > The quickest way to get in trouble with the FCC is interference with a=20 > licensed service which is not permissible even if the station is technica= lly=20 > compliant. The Fed don't have vans equipped with direction finders roami= ng the=20 > country looking for pirate broadcasters. Typically, they respond to=20 > complaints stemming from interference with a licensed service. Unless yo= u happen=20 > to live across the street from the local field office, it is doubtful eve= n=20 > running 10 or 100 watts on the AM broadcast band without a legitimate tow= er=20 > or very long wire you could deliver a detectable signal to their office e= ven=20 > in a metropolitan area. The pirates who get caught are FMers running=20 > hundreds if not thousands of watts into readily available high gain anten= nas.=20=20 > Yes, those log periodics and Yagis work both ways, receiving and transmit= ting.=20=20 > Just 100 watts into a 20 db gain antenna will produce an ERP of 10,000=20 > watts. If you are not interfering with a licensed service, who you most = have to=20 > worry about are local hams. >=20 > The economy and general state of affairs on AM has just about put pirate= =20 > radio out of business. If you got anything that anyone besides yourself = is=20 > willing to listen to, there are lots of starving broadcasters who would b= e=20 > more than willing to put you on licensed air. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************** > Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals.=20 > (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=3Demlcntuslove00000003) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 08 21:51:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40989 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 04:51:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 04:51:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 04:51:01 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a5576ea84; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:49:46 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d03.5d3549ed (30737) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:49:40 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Hank with Antenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=0af9f8lmyGchs1egeX_g5gyZ8iy-zh14RejO2An_Cu-vOgsJyclGxGW2Bbmjn9Cs X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, I messing around with more or less legal length antenna in the Extended AM Band range, the ground resistance complete swamps out the actually radiation resistance. After tuning out the reactance, which I have always found to be negative, the effective total resistance is around 70 to 100 ohms using a water pipe ground. A simple PI network can tune that to 50 ohms. The problem is finding a way to tune it in-situ. I don't believe Sotoris's unit uses a resonant final or has any instrumentation. Without seeing what the final looks like, I don't know how tolerant it is to VSWR during tuning. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Jul 08 21:55:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52131 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 04:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 04:55:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f181.google.com) (209.85.216.181) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 04:55:28 -0000 X-Received: by pxi11 with SMTP id 11so271011pxi.26 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:54:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.151.4 with SMTP id y4mr596686wad.27.1247115267894; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m31sm889248wag.66.2009.07.08.21.54.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01df01ca0051$55776740$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:54:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Panama chooses the BUZZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=py44QxsYxipKGv13rHVH65CqyTN_TPs8BxfVnbYPYHmG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit did you record any of these? would have been interested to hear what they sound like also what hd standard is used over there? ----- Original Message ----- From: alfredotorrejon To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:01 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Panama chooses the BUZZ I visited Panama early in June of this year. Based on what I observed in Panama City, Bocas del Toro, and some points in between (on the Pan American Highway), I suspect that Panamanian broadcasters will only bother with HD-Radio on the FM dial. In Panama, the radio landscape is dominated by networks of FM translators with local-grade signals in most of the major population centers. For instance, in Bocas del Toro, a poor and somewhat rural community, I could receive 29 FM signals on a portable radio, but there was only one AM band signal strong enough to light the "TUNING" LED. That one AM station was a simulcast of one of the FMs, and both were programmed from Panama City. As far as I could tell, only one of those FMs had local programming, with all the rest being relays of stations in Panama City or other communities. In Panama City, there were a number of AM stations, but many were in very pathetic shape, particularly from a technical standpoint. One splattered quite a bit, several had a lot of distortion, and there were a number that had incidental phase modulation problems* (as revealed by my SRF-42). These were decrepit radio stations using old transmitters that were poorly maintained. The clock radio in the hotel where I stayed in Panama City was a Sony FM-only unit, leading me to wonder if AM radio has much of a listenership at all over there. FM, on the other hand, is aggressively marketed, with the phone book having a special section for FM Stereo radio stations. I found the whole deal quite sad. --Alfredo On the SRF-42, in the stereo position, one station (Radio Ancon 1120 AM) had a very loud 120 Hz power line hum, two stations had a "rushing" sound--not IBOC but more like a noisy oscillator, and several had extra distortion that was not heard in the mono position. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > > WTF would Panama choose IBOC when then they supposedly tested DRM and DAB? They left out Leonard's CAM-D - Kahn probably didn't want to get malaria going down there to test it out! > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Jul 08 21:57:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88932 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 04:57:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 04:57:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.176) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 04:57:49 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v33so938876wah.25 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:56:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.75.14 with SMTP id c14mr602458wal.50.1247115409131; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v39sm157680wah.62.2009.07.08.21.56.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01ec01ca0051$a97b1fd0$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:56:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=HP-f6sb1ReSFQ715TqJ6VgmBpCerBhg8Aav6PC59Xj_4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what licensed broadcasters are looking for stuff? am curious also what is the max you would push for am if you were to *coughs* you know go above 100 mw? am not going to do this but am curious. ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? Alf, As your antenna is shorter than 1/4 wavelength at 1610 khz, it should be capacitive reactive. That can only be cancelled with an inductor. I am not certain what you are doing with series capacitor. The restriction you cite is the old lamba/2pi field requirement that governed carrier current AM stations typically found on college campuses. Carrier current broadcasting relied on a phenomenon known as near field. Unlike a conventional *radiated* signal where the field intensity is the inverse of the distance, the near field falls off very fast with respect to distance. A properly installed carrier current station could deliver a tens of millivolt signal within a 50 or so feet of the coupled power line yet the signal would fall off to near nothing at three or four times that distance. To get the greatest advantage, carrier current stations, like their 100mW brethen, typically operated at the low end of the dial. The then unallocated 530 khz was a popular frequency. The quickest way to get in trouble with the FCC is interference with a licensed service which is not permissible even if the station is technically compliant. The Fed don't have vans equipped with direction finders roaming the country looking for pirate broadcasters. Typically, they respond to complaints stemming from interference with a licensed service. Unless you happen to live across the street from the local field office, it is doubtful even running 10 or 100 watts on the AM broadcast band without a legitimate tower or very long wire you could deliver a detectable signal to their office even in a metropolitan area. The pirates who get caught are FMers running hundreds if not thousands of watts into readily available high gain antennas. Yes, those log periodics and Yagis work both ways, receiving and transmitting. Just 100 watts into a 20 db gain antenna will produce an ERP of 10,000 watts. If you are not interfering with a licensed service, who you most have to worry about are local hams. The economy and general state of affairs on AM has just about put pirate radio out of business. If you got anything that anyone besides yourself is willing to listen to, there are lots of starving broadcasters who would be more than willing to put you on licensed air. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Jul 08 22:00:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65687 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 05:00:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 05:00:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f171.google.com) (209.85.216.171) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 05:00:38 -0000 X-Received: by pxi1 with SMTP id 1so661193pxi.5 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:00:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.149.8 with SMTP id w8mr600071wad.39.1247115636297; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j26sm16475041waf.28.2009.07.08.22.00.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <022001ca0052$317d1640$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:00:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Favorite Radio Programs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=N1AqV2eDF6Awelvf35uts9pEFrc63cCMj6tSGuYmUn-Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wonder if coasttocoast am is in uk? if so where? am curious ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Favorite Radio Programs Where is Randi Rhodes? Rachel Maddow? Ed Schultz? I don't think you would find the likes of Rush Limbaugh on the Beep. In fact, the UK won't even let Michael Savage in the country. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Jul 08 22:01:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97280 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 05:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 05:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f181.google.com) (209.85.216.181) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 05:01:02 -0000 X-Received: by mail-px0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 11so273489pxi.26 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:01:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.32.1 with SMTP id k1mr592825waj.66.1247115661712; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v9sm5024328wah.36.2009.07.08.22.01.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <022a01ca0052$409f7230$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:00:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=3dBMHH8ip64lcZ7lGND3ZrKV4TWdjKR6p6zAw01frjiP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't find his email anywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} cb antanna out doors on am cquam transmitter? Why not email Sotoris and ask him? Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Jul 08 22:11:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99512 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 05:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 05:11:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f191.google.com) (209.85.216.191) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 05:11:34 -0000 X-Received: by mail-px0-f191.google.com with SMTP id 29so2252446pxi.1 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:11:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.234.20 with SMTP id g20mr611357wah.47.1247116294503; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k37sm2665711waf.7.2009.07.08.22.11.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <02e101ca0053$b919c5c0$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:11:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Hank with Antenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=h8c4liX9cgH3cIoTAMruZmwvDJaOIS-45gsCfrIe-1Vg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit that would work can you tell me what all is needed? I am interested ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Hank with Antenna? John, My plant hanger/mushroom anchor antenna works pretty well for legal apartment antenna. I got the "parts" from WalMart and would be pleased to furnish a Wally Gift Certificate to get them locally. The shipping is more than they're worth. I would also be pleased to contribute to getting a 160 meter tuner off eBay. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 09 02:05:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46234 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 09:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 09:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 09:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n698wjoF002751 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:58:46 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c3d.5d914f0e (29672) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:59:16 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8coobc6_3IhYrsycLuV34n40ZmKzfZmWq6OGLQFpN0Dzc7DsXCDy8OGaw2NhnkvX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/8/2009 11:58:18 PM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > also what is the max you would push for am if you were to *coughs* you > know go above 100 mw? > There are extended band stations that run 10kW into 300 ft. towers with ground systems that barely serve metropolitan areas with their groundwave contours. In my experience, which has been on a professional basis, with the FCC is that they're reasonable people. Usually if someone gets a citation for anything other than interference with a licensed service, it was for something blatent, willful, and repeated. As a practical matter, how much you can get by with depends to a large extent who you offend, in what manner, and where you live. For example, if you live on one of stretches of I-40 out in the desert and broadcasting the locations drinking water can be found with a watt or two on 1610 or 530 you are less likely to get hassled than if you are broadcasting the latest rant from Osama bin Laden in a major metropolitan area on the first adjacent of the most popular station with a couple hundred kilowatts into a tower located in front of the Federal Building. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Jul 09 02:15:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1256 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 09:15:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 09:15:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f173.google.com) (209.85.216.173) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 09:15:39 -0000 X-Received: by pxi3 with SMTP id 3so12300pxi.18 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:14:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.94.1 with SMTP id w1mr908952wal.177.1247130864232; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m30sm808463wag.34.2009.07.09.02.14.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002a01ca0075$a614b8f0$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 02:14:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=had_W1uspAe63jKVMf-1Tr26apEwzMC0fXUDvDEMxofv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also sent a email on the atana help did you recieve it? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:59 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How Many of Us Are Transmitting C-QUAM at this time? In a message dated 7/8/2009 11:58:18 PM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > also what is the max you would push for am if you were to *coughs* you > know go above 100 mw? > There are extended band stations that run 10kW into 300 ft. towers with ground systems that barely serve metropolitan areas with their groundwave contours. In my experience, which has been on a professional basis, with the FCC is that they're reasonable people. Usually if someone gets a citation for anything other than interference with a licensed service, it was for something blatent, willful, and repeated. As a practical matter, how much you can get by with depends to a large extent who you offend, in what manner, and where you live. For example, if you live on one of stretches of I-40 out in the desert and broadcasting the locations drinking water can be found with a watt or two on 1610 or 530 you are less likely to get hassled than if you are broadcasting the latest rant from Osama bin Laden in a major metropolitan area on the first adjacent of the most popular station with a couple hundred kilowatts into a tower located in front of the Federal Building. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 09 03:48:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55714 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 10:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 10:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.185) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 10:48:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7726 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 10:47:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO z2s0f1) (jimsmith95650@71.155.145.8 with login) by smtp126.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 10:47:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rDw3OW8VM1nhDGREA5TcDZJFx.mbt5FSz_xHkwfSexhbfoS1N59kNEDxCapBN8n34PCGeGV9Sa1U_bu_fJUw4oXfgyzxymvkjfkhPu8DK6mINUD8gNP9a.MRWMXHZavJnJmYnFHNOrHS7AteGwG4L9InUxGhPcRUHrGIT5xiBepFVDVNrK0zD7RNb8gQI68zQMcnGRLgswIVED4Idew64QWijJRSN.4ulkUzCGXg.GzbLMw3qyCk_ks.ovMsIMFNqhYBgVgrUXNLlWRkag-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002801ca0083$987990e0$5ce8fea9@z2s0f1> To: Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 03:54:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Is there a website ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=RWoT_MVPhnUvfrATJ38BcxPDahZgBpGB0ZtbzP5199VycZR5DnvWv4eUKHLzMwXRJIPc1vZc X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All Is there a web site to go with this forum? Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 09 03:59:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29590 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 10:59:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 10:59:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.184) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 10:59:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65782 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 10:58:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO z2s0f1) (jimsmith95650@71.155.145.8 with login) by smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 10:58:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ZeYw67EVM1nNLNNqaVy.bblzfByYkd5EgP.D9CRqssmbTKI.vzXW_lvslbB2GBbMSJpnkjNr4Am4eSe3ShS9VSpWZyhsx7cdNvZUsWH.Dn3zxXYxRVdXfwdnNT2C6FsZSD8gEZ6Hk6NYD9WUYE89WEdtoLiaNK_s5wwSn7IA_puxvn1nIAo_ounZpPg.yZO5Q.9e3EbwR3Tv2xUYRBq4gcRdtmOugbj8e5ylNTi.0AO94huY81AWKqfHKghqaPapsNOahr0vTyT2bA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003301ca0085$16b213a0$5ce8fea9@z2s0f1> To: Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:04:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Dear Mr. Chuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=M2FAKzvYPY6D2dD6Es_d5KcQE1LGl9pr8SlJclcke6s7KrGQuJI0SzXNV3xNx8nkRynyJgx4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All Dear Mr. Cuff I need to to buy a new crystel from you for my A.L. 1000 khz is not working for me any more. At nght i have a very stroge sky wave sigal from KOMO AM 1000 and dering the the day a very strong singal from KKIS AM 990 Pisburgh Ca put there TX in South East Sacramento Ca. I will look around for a emty freq. and let you know. Thanks for the time . Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Jul 09 08:02:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56825 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 15:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 15:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 15:01:57 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFFNBP3AS96CXJ for (sender ); Thu, 9 Jul 2009 07:59:05 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5Fio5M+fabP9YzW/YsYbUk= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PL2PE5MQ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:58:33 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.25.34] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:57:47 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:57:47 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20090709.075747.22612.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:840644598 X-MAIL-INFO:0a55c52969047181e92530c5711100a52da94579608021b1b4393da93d20e1b47991a1b559149579a1f90999ddd014d080b0d5d4 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Favorite Radio Programs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=-wtZBMsaLhhXZ3DpjBqYeGePjNgfq1liLBuSdBDOMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn This is an article demonstrating Internet radio=92s ability to help a local= station compete on a worldwide stage. Those persons you ask about don't make the list because, while popular, rel= atively few persons are listening. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Favorite Radio Programs Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:33:12 EDT Where is Randi Rhodes? Rachel Maddow? Ed Schultz? I don't think you would find the likes of Rush Limbaugh on the Beep. In=20 fact, the UK won't even let Michael Savage in the country. Mike From w6yn@juno.com Thu Jul 09 08:07:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50995 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 15:07:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 15:07:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 15:07:33 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFFNB3JA3UU4NA for (sender ); Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:05:12 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2qeQGtiA9NcYjlQFOtms84= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PL2PS7BE; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:05:08 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.25.34] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:04:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:04:07 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20090709.080407.22612.1@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:4088064957 X-MAIL-INFO:471538415574b55579743825c1f07594996d356d7121b199f4d180a4dded056d7d41385d816d5d8534213441b55d7471d925 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Is there a website ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=5EchWQxDSNusRqYbWwdhYcBCCO6vn4KTGduYEzCpTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ ---------- Original Message ---------- From: To: Cc: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Is there a website ? Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 03:54:12 -0700 Hi All Is there a web site to go with this forum? Jim Smith ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/ From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 09 09:22:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7534 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 16:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 16:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.159.7) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 16:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a5618d33bc; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:20:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cff.599d7f26 (29678) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:20:26 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.159.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dear Mr. Chuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7W7p3B--ydoX_jex8qLjXsErt-8rCcy_hGv3sUXoPDvpb9D337XVyR_LvgNcUs2d X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, As I understand it, you can just buy a 5V 8-pin DIP crystal oscillator at TWICE the required frequency from Digikey. I don't think there are any tuned circuits in the design. Also, I believe it is Chris Cuff, no Chuff. One sure fire way to hear from him is post some premium AM Stereo Walkman on eBay. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 09 09:44:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16664 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 16:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 16:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 16:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n69GhtAo002100 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:43:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c3d.5d9b895e (29678) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:43:49 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Hank with Antenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=XsTUSZ469VwJ4_t1-63qsjVlnXbxnfpy_0J-x1GOGlfayAdmhXHDpB71yKzOhmFY X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a diagram for it somewhere in the terabyte of chaos known as my twin hard drives. It's actually pretty simple. Put a suitable plant hanger anchor in the ceiling (I prefer a corner) and suspend a 10 lb. mushroom anchor from it about an inch off the floor using a length of 18 gauge insulated stranded hookup wire. As most ceilings are 8 ft., that will leave about 2 feet wire to to split between the lead wire to the transmitter and ground. In the lead wire to the transmitter, a ferrite core inductor is placed in series. The ground is the center screw of a wall outlet. I got all the parts at Wal Mart with the exception of the inductor which can be had from Digikey for a couple of bucks or you can wind an air core one on a peice of plastic pipe. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Jul 09 10:50:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95913 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 17:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2009 17:50:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f211.google.com) (209.85.220.211) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 17:50:04 -0000 X-Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so339604fxm.33 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:49:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.66.2 with SMTP id l2mr937240bki.177.1247161744197; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z15sm193252fkz.34.2009.07.09.10.49.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01d401ca00bd$8b739ff0$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:48:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Hank with Antenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=QkOxq8su1V4rtTj9ij6tnCNZJ7JCXzI7naQunydGp5QW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sounds good what do you also recommend for outside antanna? either way that tuner would help out alot with tuning the antanna how do you use the tuners? I know that you do need them to tune off a antanna Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:43 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Hank with Antenna? I have a diagram for it somewhere in the terabyte of chaos known as my twin hard drives. It's actually pretty simple. Put a suitable plant hanger anchor in the ceiling (I prefer a corner) and suspend a 10 lb. mushroom anchor from it about an inch off the floor using a length of 18 gauge insulated stranded hookup wire. As most ceilings are 8 ft., that will leave about 2 feet wire to to split between the lead wire to the transmitter and ground. In the lead wire to the transmitter, a ferrite core inductor is placed in series. The ground is the center screw of a wall outlet. I got all the parts at Wal Mart with the exception of the inductor which can be had from Digikey for a couple of bucks or you can wind an air core one on a peice of plastic pipe. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 09 20:41:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26193 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 03:40:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2009 03:40:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 03:40:58 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imo-m12.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a56b7fc228; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:39:40 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c8d.4a19f768 (14467) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:39:41 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Hank with Antenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6W6BGGgefrQTUX_D6wP64HSjSM73tDXg8qApUL6leaMF3rxTtR8CqFlerSnWrFuI X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The antenna tuner is needed when there is a transmission line (coax). For very short (compared to wavelength) leads such as a foot or two at AM broadcast frequencies just looks like simple pieces of wire. Transmission lines are interesting animals. When driven and terminated into its characteristic impedance, it, too looks like a simple length of wire. When that condition isn't met, it can look like anything. An inductor. A capacitor. A short. An open. An antenna. Anything. So if you are using a transmission line, it is necessary to "match" the antenna to the transmission line. Sotoris has already taken care of the transmitter end as his transmitter matches the 50 ohm coax resistance. When it comes to Part 15 AM, that while the characteristics of the 10 ft. antenna is fairly predictable, the ground is not. Improvised grounds can have just about any impedance, real and imaginary. That has to be known to design a matching network. The problem I had is the signal levels are so small, the standard VSWR meter won't register them. I had higher power carrier current transmitter I acquired in my college days that I used for tuning. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 09 20:57:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10336 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 03:57:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2009 03:57:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.210) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 03:57:05 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a56bbc33d8; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:55:47 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d38.50969b94 (14467) for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 23:55:41 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=N-5uSuoovmD-XZxAEWG0fgcWfWLSjkoyk4DIRbahDR-PsqYh_e62Cm4OlPXUFbw5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have you ever wondered how much range a Part 15 transmitter would have connected to a legitmate antenna? There MIGHT be a hypothetical 5kW daytime only Class II station with a quarter wave freestanding tower and good ground system. This station's tower might just happen to be exactly a halfwave at the top of the extended AM broadcast band. This imaginary station might be located on a campus setting in the middle of a large metropolitan area. A transmitter with a measured output of 80 mW produced a good signal at 1,700 khz for about a quarter mile, listenable for about another half mile, and detectable around a mile on a Delco Concert II AMS car radio. Hypothetically, of course. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Jul 09 23:00:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96114 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 06:00:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2009 06:00:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.181) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 06:00:14 -0000 X-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n7so113142wag.20 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:59:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.134.1 with SMTP id h1mr2581579wad.63.1247205554128; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-86-239.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.86.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j15sm1126815waf.51.2009.07.09.22.59.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00ac01ca0123$8c0c2610$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:59:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.146.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Hank with Antenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=vKwShTx7Q7oTERVkEhcgrBgwcoT4Nyph2j8RUiTbnXpK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit would that 160 ham tuner help me out? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Help Hank with Antenna? The antenna tuner is needed when there is a transmission line (coax). For very short (compared to wavelength) leads such as a foot or two at AM broadcast frequencies just looks like simple pieces of wire. Transmission lines are interesting animals. When driven and terminated into its characteristic impedance, it, too looks like a simple length of wire. When that condition isn't met, it can look like anything. An inductor. A capacitor. A short. An open. An antenna. Anything. So if you are using a transmission line, it is necessary to "match" the antenna to the transmission line. Sotoris has already taken care of the transmitter end as his transmitter matches the 50 ohm coax resistance. When it comes to Part 15 AM, that while the characteristics of the 10 ft. antenna is fairly predictable, the ground is not. Improvised grounds can have just about any impedance, real and imaginary. That has to be known to design a matching network. The problem I had is the signal levels are so small, the standard VSWR meter won't register them. I had higher power carrier current transmitter I acquired in my college days that I used for tuning. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jul 09 23:18:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30600 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 06:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2009 06:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 06:18:43 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2009 06:18:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2009 06:18:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2009 06:18:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:18:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.241 From: "jotape1960" Subject: McMartin BA-2.5K problem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=gPxnXuXP2msl0GjCWyZF6YXIwGoPbVVSRrvaogGY7xkEsEP7fg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I'll take advantage of your time and knowledge, because my McMartin BA-2.5K= is out of the air for the last 2 weeks and we're desperated because we can= 't fix it. My problem is: 1) I repaired (chilean way) the broken filament connector of the 4-1000A so= cket and I tested it and I got the 7.5 needed volts, BUT THE TUBES (I teste= d 12!!!) DIDN'T LIGHT!!! By the way, I tested all the 12 tubes in the other= sockets and they lighted without problems. All the tubes failed only on th= at specific socket. 2) I tested all the aditional circuit (resistor, condenser and relay) relat= ed with the filament supply of that specific socket AND ALL IS OK!!! Whatever I tested, all is OK but that tube (the right modulation tube, look= ing from the front) doesn't light. Please, can somebody give some help, because I'm absolutely lost!!! Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 10 05:38:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48465 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 12:38:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2009 12:38:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 12:38:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19581 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2009 12:38:34 -0000 Message-ID: <183709.18868.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: H_TzGSAVM1nR1Jcd76NYpytN4Fvsqi7alU4DEdibHOsLNv_lKFmlxrWxXCoqi2577ByOj3_9t8lzndlYCKfaBZplAm13nRzxWGFmHs0HYV0ohGFnOen9oq.wkL49CjKUjTJZAhEpRxRcyLMyl0AsUQnFTG5pQXjLzRw39vBN6QCCUvLbCrjZeL2B0caL0oc.YeSNxsKLcQxP.X0ZzWB1SbIldrP3m1S3.QRzARwUAd1e3peFapbKfpgkQRyZAlCvpUbq8165y0hzjUsX4eYZDB3zXyAVgDuai4fe1V39Flv66rwMhFs- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:38:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:38:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Paging Chris Cuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=wuHEb3CRXbfslkcQb-0-YxypZrB3Czlew50WTysHVjX2Uln3fbaGOcc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I think the Alfredo Lite needs a crystal at 4x the frequency, so a 5MHz crystal puts you at 1250 on the AM band? Can you verify for Jim? Thanks, John 'E' From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Fri Jul 10 12:59:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60671 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 19:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2009 19:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 19:59:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2009 19:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2009 19:58:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:58:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=kL5BtSHFm1p8HID0VuJyyEglaoRvdnsp-r9SIFUKIijxWcA0Z7yWNcR4 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon I was looking at the FCC records for WHAM, which uses a tower that is almos= t 1/2 wave. I calculated the gain of this antenna system to be 9.43 dBi. There is an on-line field strength calculator at http://www.daycounter.com/= Calculators/Maximum-Field-Strength-Calculator.phtml I plugged in 80 mW and= the 9.43 dBi number into this calculator utility. The field strength at 1= /4 mile (400 meters) would be 11.5 mV/m, which is pretty respectable. Not that anybody should attempt to do this...... >:-) --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Have you ever wondered how much range a Part 15 transmitter would have=20 > connected to a legitmate antenna? >=20 > There MIGHT be a hypothetical 5kW daytime only Class II station with a=20 > quarter wave freestanding tower and good ground system. This station's t= ower=20 > might just happen to be exactly a halfwave at the top of the extended AM= =20 > broadcast band. This imaginary station might be located on a campus sett= ing in=20 > the middle of a large metropolitan area. >=20 > A transmitter with a measured output of 80 mW produced a good signal at= =20 > 1,700 khz for about a quarter mile, listenable for about another half mil= e,=20 > and detectable around a mile on a Delco Concert II AMS car radio.=20=20 > Hypothetically, of course. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL=20 > Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=3Demlcntuslove00000003) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Fri Jul 10 13:07:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64325 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 20:06:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2009 20:06:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 20:06:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2009 20:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2009 20:06:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:06:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01df01ca0051$55776740$813f10ac@xppro> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Panama chooses the BUZZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=ZxdqX9qSd1JPpHGqdiKTMF8WD-J6LRqSewCCnWi9MVqu0By-zF3zyO_c X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Panama is going to go with the iBiquity standard. I am pretty confident th= at no AM stations were broadcasting iBiquity HDRadio signals when I visited= . I did not hear the adjacent-channel buzzing anywhere on the FM dial, eit= her. Unfortunately, I did not take any recording devices on my trip. I had a co= ncern that sensitive electronic devices might get damaged, so all that I to= ok were the SRF-42, a cheap rechargeable LED flashlight/radio combo, and a = camera. I regret not having taken a shortwave radio, as there may have bee= n a few active shortwave sites in Costa Rica. In retrospect, recording som= e airchecks might have been a good idea. I wrote up a brief travelogue that I posted on another radio board. I can = re-post it here if you wish. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > did you record any of these? > would have been interested to hear what they sound like > also what hd standard is used over there? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: alfredotorrejon=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:01 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Panama chooses the BUZZ >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I visited Panama early in June of this year. Based on what I observed i= n Panama City, Bocas del Toro, and some points in between (on the Pan Ameri= can Highway), I suspect that Panamanian broadcasters will only bother with = HD-Radio on the FM dial. >=20 > In Panama, the radio landscape is dominated by networks of FM translato= rs with local-grade signals in most of the major population centers. For in= stance, in Bocas del Toro, a poor and somewhat rural community, I could rec= eive 29 FM signals on a portable radio, but there was only one AM band sign= al strong enough to light the "TUNING" LED. That one AM station was a simul= cast of one of the FMs, and both were programmed from Panama City. As far a= s I could tell, only one of those FMs had local programming, with all the r= est being relays of stations in Panama City or other communities. >=20 > In Panama City, there were a number of AM stations, but many were in ve= ry pathetic shape, particularly from a technical standpoint. One splattered= quite a bit, several had a lot of distortion, and there were a number that= had incidental phase modulation problems* (as revealed by my SRF-42). Thes= e were decrepit radio stations using old transmitters that were poorly main= tained. The clock radio in the hotel where I stayed in Panama City was a So= ny FM-only unit, leading me to wonder if AM radio has much of a listenershi= p at all over there. FM, on the other hand, is aggressively marketed, with = the phone book having a special section for FM Stereo radio stations. I fou= nd the whole deal quite sad. >=20 > --Alfredo >=20 > On the SRF-42, in the stereo position, one station (Radio Ancon 1120 AM= ) had a very loud 120 Hz power line hum, two stations had a "rushing" sound= --not IBOC but more like a noisy oscillator, and several had extra distorti= on that was not heard in the mono position. >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote= : > > > >=20 > > WTF would Panama choose IBOC when then they supposedly tested DRM and= DAB? They left out Leonard's CAM-D - Kahn probably didn't want to get mala= ria going down there to test it out! > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jul 10 16:02:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50648 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2009 23:02:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jul 2009 23:02:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2009 23:02:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2009 23:02:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2009 23:02:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:02:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.88 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=kA32f9a1HhNMnG-hQdcRS-AIsQiTLu_WsUZD4kQfe2h9cVdU8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I wonder why on this link the equation doesn't pick up the used frecuency a= s a value. Isn't it important? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "alfredotorrejon" w= rote: > > I was looking at the FCC records for WHAM, which uses a tower that is alm= ost 1/2 wave. I calculated the gain of this antenna system to be 9.43 dBi. >=20 > There is an on-line field strength calculator at http://www.daycounter.co= m/Calculators/Maximum-Field-Strength-Calculator.phtml I plugged in 80 mW a= nd the 9.43 dBi number into this calculator utility. The field strength at= 1/4 mile (400 meters) would be 11.5 mV/m, which is pretty respectable. >=20 > Not that anybody should attempt to do this...... >:-) >=20 > --Alfredo >=20 From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Jul 11 01:18:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48777 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 08:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2009 08:18:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f195.google.com) (209.85.216.195) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 08:18:02 -0000 X-Received: by pxi33 with SMTP id 33so64045pxi.9 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:18:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.95.13 with SMTP id x13mr4727504wal.156.1247300282322; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-84-156.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.84.156]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j26sm3533416waf.28.2009.07.11.01.18.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00f401ca0200$1aac8590$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:17:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Panama chooses the BUZZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=BU_qgMhJjfbtPnsoeBzzOV2zhs8ytq5IGCAztVc3MWWP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can you repost the travel log please? am really interested ----- Original Message ----- From: alfredotorrejon To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Panama chooses the BUZZ Panama is going to go with the iBiquity standard. I am pretty confident that no AM stations were broadcasting iBiquity HDRadio signals when I visited. I did not hear the adjacent-channel buzzing anywhere on the FM dial, either. Unfortunately, I did not take any recording devices on my trip. I had a concern that sensitive electronic devices might get damaged, so all that I took were the SRF-42, a cheap rechargeable LED flashlight/radio combo, and a camera. I regret not having taken a shortwave radio, as there may have been a few active shortwave sites in Costa Rica. In retrospect, recording some airchecks might have been a good idea. I wrote up a brief travelogue that I posted on another radio board. I can re-post it here if you wish. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > did you record any of these? > would have been interested to hear what they sound like > also what hd standard is used over there? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alfredotorrejon > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:01 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Panama chooses the BUZZ > > > > > > I visited Panama early in June of this year. Based on what I observed in Panama City, Bocas del Toro, and some points in between (on the Pan American Highway), I suspect that Panamanian broadcasters will only bother with HD-Radio on the FM dial. > > In Panama, the radio landscape is dominated by networks of FM translators with local-grade signals in most of the major population centers. For instance, in Bocas del Toro, a poor and somewhat rural community, I could receive 29 FM signals on a portable radio, but there was only one AM band signal strong enough to light the "TUNING" LED. That one AM station was a simulcast of one of the FMs, and both were programmed from Panama City. As far as I could tell, only one of those FMs had local programming, with all the rest being relays of stations in Panama City or other communities. > > In Panama City, there were a number of AM stations, but many were in very pathetic shape, particularly from a technical standpoint. One splattered quite a bit, several had a lot of distortion, and there were a number that had incidental phase modulation problems* (as revealed by my SRF-42). These were decrepit radio stations using old transmitters that were poorly maintained. The clock radio in the hotel where I stayed in Panama City was a Sony FM-only unit, leading me to wonder if AM radio has much of a listenership at all over there. FM, on the other hand, is aggressively marketed, with the phone book having a special section for FM Stereo radio stations. I found the whole deal quite sad. > > --Alfredo > > On the SRF-42, in the stereo position, one station (Radio Ancon 1120 AM) had a very loud 120 Hz power line hum, two stations had a "rushing" sound--not IBOC but more like a noisy oscillator, and several had extra distortion that was not heard in the mono position. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > > > > > WTF would Panama choose IBOC when then they supposedly tested DRM and DAB? They left out Leonard's CAM-D - Kahn probably didn't want to get malaria going down there to test it out! > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Jul 11 01:18:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96064 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 08:18:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2009 08:18:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f181.google.com) (209.85.216.181) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 08:18:27 -0000 X-Received: by pxi11 with SMTP id 11so1159589pxi.26 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:17:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.201.2 with SMTP id y2mr4786030waf.205.1247300244712; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-84-156.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.84.156]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l27sm3483026waf.55.2009.07.11.01.17.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00e801ca0200$03bec550$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:17:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=PekfZy2JBxqqQULwqQSKr7pJbvywlQjvusd2CrrxxlxB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is a colen dash write parin? ----- Original Message ----- From: alfredotorrejon To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 12:58 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter I was looking at the FCC records for WHAM, which uses a tower that is almost 1/2 wave. I calculated the gain of this antenna system to be 9.43 dBi. There is an on-line field strength calculator at http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Maximum-Field-Strength-Calculator.phtml I plugged in 80 mW and the 9.43 dBi number into this calculator utility. The field strength at 1/4 mile (400 meters) would be 11.5 mV/m, which is pretty respectable. Not that anybody should attempt to do this...... >:-) --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Have you ever wondered how much range a Part 15 transmitter would have > connected to a legitmate antenna? > > There MIGHT be a hypothetical 5kW daytime only Class II station with a > quarter wave freestanding tower and good ground system. This station's tower > might just happen to be exactly a halfwave at the top of the extended AM > broadcast band. This imaginary station might be located on a campus setting in > the middle of a large metropolitan area. > > A transmitter with a measured output of 80 mW produced a good signal at > 1,700 khz for about a quarter mile, listenable for about another half mile, > and detectable around a mile on a Delco Concert II AMS car radio. > Hypothetically, of course. > > Mike > > > ************** > Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL > Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jul 11 06:49:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54019 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 13:49:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2009 13:49:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 13:49:22 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a5898152ac; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:48:05 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c6c.5042f1c0 (14502) for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:47:59 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.139 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=IWnDLhJkWjnON_I2BgxdMhLBoYqWRz36G5jYBHwNTm6H53yr0eA5ZdSkzR7SMzlX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/10/2009 6:03:04 PM Central Daylight Time, jotape1960@yahoo.com writes: > I wonder why on this link the equation doesn't pick up the used frecuency > as a value. Isn't it important? > The Daycounter equation deals with isotropic sources in free space. Isotropic simply means a point source that radiates equally in all directions like a light bulb. Free space means just that, like the source was out in space with nothing around it. Most antennas don't look like isotropic sources. That is, they do not radiate equally in all directions and at all angles. Even single vertical towers that are omni-directional in the horizontal plane are anything but in the vertical plane. As the signal is concentrated, it appears to have more power in the favored direction or angle than a (isotropic) source driven by the same power, much like a reflector on our light bulb. This "gain" is usually stated as ratio in dB of a particular antenna compared to a purely isotropic source. The expression is in dBi. For example, an antenna with a gain of 3 dBi produces the same field intensity in its favored direction and angle as a source radiating in all directions and at all angles with twice the power. Not all antennas use an isotropic source as a reference. Some use quarter or half wavelength vertical radiators or halfwave dipoles as references. Medium wave propagation on Earth does not follow the free space or inverse square equation in the Daycounter calculator. The signal is in part conducted in the ground and follows the contour of the Earth. This is called the "groundwave" and is governed by both frequency and the average conductivity of the soil in the signal path. The FCC publishes these curves. The phenomenon accounts for what in AM broadcasting is known as "dial advantage", that is, a station operating at 540 khz has a far greater groundwave contour than one operating at 1,600 khz for the same amount of radiated power. Not all of the signal follows the Earth's contour. Some goes out in a straight line perpendicular to the tower. This does more or less follow the free space equation. This part of the signal is absorbed in the ionosphere when it is bombarded by solar radiation during the day. However, at night, the ionosphere reflects this signal back to Earth. This is known as the "skywave" for obvious reasons. This allows for medium wave stations with sufficient power to get a significant return signal from the ionosphere to cover vast distances at night. One will note that skywave signal range is not dependent on ground conductivity or frequency (at least within the AM band). To use a real life example, KFUO in Clayton, MO operates at 850 khz with a power of 5 kW omnidirectional. Clayton is suburb of St. Louis and the station's single tower is located on the edge of the city limit at Forest Park on the campus of Concordia Seminary which borders the campuses of Washington and Fontbonne Universities. It is located in more or less open space, at least for a large metropolitan area. KFUO uses a simple freestanding insulated base tower that is just a few degrees over of an ideal quarter wave with a traditional ground radial system. Its base impedance is almost purely resistive. At twice its normal frequency, or 1,700 khz, the tower is almost an ideal halfwave vertical radiator, again nearly purely resistive. KFUO shares its frequency with dominant 50 kW clear channel station KOA in Denver and operates only during the daylight hours. A halfwave vertical tower, which is what most dominant clear channel stations use, produces a field intensity of about 400 mV/m at a distance of 1 kilometer perpendicular to it when driven by 1 kilowatt of power. From this, it is easy to calculate the 1 km field produced by any given power input. For the 80 mW transmitter, the power ratio is 1 to 12,500. The field intensity ratio will be the square root of this ratio or approximately 1 to 112. So the 80 mW output transmitter should produce a field intensity of 400 mV/m divided by 112 or about 3.6 mV/m at 1 km using KFUO's tower. So how much signal, relatively, is 3.6 mV/m? By comparison, WLW in Cincinnati with 50 kW into their Blaw Knox halfwave tower on the 700 khz clear channel produces an actual 2 mV/m daytime groundwave contour 229 miles away in Indianopolis, IN. So it would be about twice as strong as WLW can be heard in Indianapolis during the day. Easily listenable on a car radio but won't burn a hole in the dial. Our theoretical transmitter could deliver a respectable 1.2 mV/m of fabulous AM Stereo at 1,700 khz at the FCC's "secret" listening post just off Government Center in downtown Clayton about 3 clicks from KFUO's tower. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 06:58:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14216 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 13:58:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2009 13:58:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 13:58:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66461 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2009 13:57:06 -0000 Message-ID: <558904.64995.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: w8CDfs0VM1lJHivorBa6j.ZD5q8iiv2WfrDvobgpXL8X7IYnBWMujsMIzUwYGkgEXvXfwUK8hpQ5xB6jUoEud8xkZgkut7bGokkRHKQLUyGWWe5.qt.cDj2Yill4J4JgD4bIwjCh_2nbv6lpu1JXb63rIGfYOgRDKL_0Bd6ystRjtGvJIF1.qglga8c.A788cXYJLCqhRE9VjXwRhtJsR2zzLVk8B1NEL.pzG4kQ.QH3GW0H58F89KTlXtCEeqa2xiOdOSjoArcP9KFfIerOjkZeSCX1ZD4MMgzmWbO8qfTop7SP1cgBkzFyRbqIfc4Iqq6x_SMbearkCrXJBNWF X-Received: from [209.213.19.149] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:57:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <00e801ca0200$03bec550$813f10ac@xppro> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:57:06 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <00e801ca0200$03bec550$813f10ac@xppro> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=hMNxGJUNZWaq_LbVWPnqsFMs5gIQhtUNmECr9xigy-0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have no clue to what you just said or asked..... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:17:12 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter what is a colen dash write parin? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rondallb@hotmail.com Sat Jul 11 07:00:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rondallb@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31373 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 14:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2009 14:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO col0-omc4-s5.col0.hotmail.com) (65.55.34.207) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 14:00:06 -0000 X-Received: from COL102-W16 ([65.55.34.201]) by col0-omc4-s5.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:59:44 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: rondallb@hotmail.com To: Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:59:44 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <558904.64995.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <00e801ca0200$03bec550$813f10ac@xppro> <558904.64995.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2009 13:59:44.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7DB6A80:01CA022F] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.34.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Rondall Burgess Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=40468085; y=6CzKG9tVSH-KOllPz393CsdQJh7DEk_tc6dTKOWkx5obi0k_eQNq X-Yahoo-Profile: rondallb2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :-) is a smile in text terms. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: w4opw@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:57:06 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter I have no clue to what you just said or asked..... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:17:12 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter what is a colen dash write parin? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jul 11 07:07:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58858 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 14:07:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2009 14:07:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m25.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.6) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 14:07:34 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imo-m25.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a589c8f103; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:07:11 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cdd.53f261fa (14502) for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:06:12 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.6 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qGtdOhSA5u8kxJJLfvE3sLBVUNBIAJvgOOEI2uYgQbgK8amtXj4mw4X3xJZcigTy X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/10/2009 2:59:55 PM Central Daylight Time, alfredo_t74@hotmail.com writes: > I was looking at the FCC records for WHAM, which uses a tower that is > almost 1/2 wave. I calculated the gain of this antenna system to be 9.43 dBi. > AM towers are not rated compared to isotropic sources. WHAM uses a halfwave towers as to most clear channel stations. This produces a field of about 400 mV/m compared to the more common quarterwave used by secondary, regional, and local stations which produces around 300 mV/m. The taller tower makes the station appear to have more power. A quarterwave tower would require about 75% more power to produce the same signal strength. Clear channel stations that have large skywave service areas used halfwave towers because the they produce the strongest groundwave signal without a secondary lobe. A 5/8 wave tower produces the greatest groundwave intensity of a simple radiator but has a secondary vertical radiation lobes with produces at early return of the skywave which interferes with the groundwave contour. This kind of tower is relatively rare and used mostly by daytime stations near the high end of the dial. The hottest tower is the full wavelength Franklin radiator. It has no secondary lobe and can lay down a blistering groundwave equal to twice the power of a station with a conventional halfwave tower. KSTP in the Twin Cities has such a tower. Driven by 50kW, KSTP used to claim an "ERP" or Effective Radiated Power of 100kW. Unfortunately, AM stations aren't rated by ERP. KFBK in Sacramento uses a pair of Franklins at 50 kW which deliver an awesome groundwave contour despite their high dial position. KFBK's towers give it two distinctions. First, it has the highest field intensity at 1km of any AM station in the United States. Second, its programming constitutes the largest waste of that power in all of human history. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jul 11 07:12:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43021 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 14:12:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2009 14:12:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 14:12:37 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6BEBtWx004440 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:11:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.ccc.56456652 (14502) for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:11:51 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7CYDynpuwmhYs1ywiuFd6fQ5dLGOJx15NpbKPz4nEvGOKESHR3i1CygUWl7IO6Sk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/2009 3:18:49 AM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > what is a colen dash write parin? > A grin or wink? At least, I think it is. I am not up on Twitter. My understand is the service now known as Twitter was originally going use a similar sounding word only that began with a "sh" rather than "Tw". However, that was already taken by a bathroom fixture. Shame, as it would have been more accurate and appropriate for what people use it for. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jul 11 07:15:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23184 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 14:15:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2009 14:15:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 14:15:35 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a589e47229; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:14:31 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bbf.532dbd99 (14502) for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:14:25 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin BA-2.5K problem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=dV56FZoAST2YK4640HPXBDPeK6ZqAljeF-NBsWOcuRzS-HxtpOJza8rkbdac2B_- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doesn't the 4-1000A have its own filament transformer/winding? Have you checked the output of the transformer? Maybe the primary fuse for it is blown. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Jul 11 13:41:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86171 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2009 20:41:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2009 20:41:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f199.google.com) (209.85.216.199) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2009 20:41:32 -0000 X-Received: by pxi37 with SMTP id 37so1165987pxi.19 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:41:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.154.17 with SMTP id b17mr5662175wae.114.1247344868876; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-84-156.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.84.156]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v32sm4841866wah.13.2009.07.11.13.41.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007b01ca0267$eabb2220$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: <00e801ca0200$03bec550$813f10ac@xppro> <558904.64995.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:41:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=RgDCQIdau0_xtlJlzAv5Ucn7o61fH3HztITX2AYM8-xX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the visual smily did I miss spell something? ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 6:57 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter I have no clue to what you just said or asked..... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:17:12 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter what is a colen dash write parin? 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To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: w4opw@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:57:06 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter I have no clue to what you just said or asked..... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:17:12 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter what is a colen dash write parin? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 17:01:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79363 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2009 00:01:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2009 00:01:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 00:01:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81568 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2009 00:01:00 -0000 Message-ID: <75451.81549.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: fSp7teoVM1nQQ8X_l.2Tv0HvKVNr0qoXKJsfWPX3GjY1Z0lGvSuao7rpi_MsWVOQP6uZJF5iDha.CH..r6DtnX4UApOUaKQ5SvAxKk81fAJZ1ZcFVGgXptaANacBN1nfTWjur.WZ1o524b8NC3BI98LhYqmyqHU9i2oukm1JQNRdWtdvsWqw6KV3st6852BQIS8jKOQfakjCunUSLSU9fGHHQWZpo_06J1xVvbXM_HzVaUqHVbVNtUmKv1WijdmkvvayXsEDRv6CBiis92BEnjKmmIzJdVQnKdvmwnS7N7WZr5KTjLG7ahIFXYD93kp3VLO1CaZsBqSLrzMbgHoOceeE8sIqBg-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:00:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.21 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <00e801ca0200$03bec550$813f10ac@xppro> <558904.64995.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <007b01ca0267$eabb2220$813f10ac@xppro> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:00:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <007b01ca0267$eabb2220$813f10ac@xppro> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=ck7D4ltP35oKS3LYWUmteH6_CYmmPohOCkjBvc9raMY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes...=A0=A0 :) Powell=A0 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ________________________________ From: hank smith the visual smily did I miss spell something? =A0 =A0 I have no clue to what you just said or asked..... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Sat Jul 11 21:12:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87509 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2009 04:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2009 04:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 04:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2009 04:11:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2009 04:11:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:11:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <558904.64995.qm@web34706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.173.207.176 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=HwaOIpBoYwqItGeQhl_XEK0xqKqnHgFfUY2Eu1e1mOnXTujiopknTh_L X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon That was a reference to the evil grin that I drew at the end of my post, us= ing a greater-than sign for the eyebrows, a colon for the eyes, a dash for = the nose, and a right parenthesis for the mouth! --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > I have no clue to what you just said or asked..... >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: hank smith > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:17:12 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter >=20 > what is a colen dash write parin? >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Sat Jul 11 22:31:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49196 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2009 05:31:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2009 05:31:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 05:31:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2009 05:30:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2009 05:30:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:30:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00f401ca0200$1aac8590$813f10ac@xppro> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 207.173.207.176 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Panama chooses the BUZZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=dACJF-9nbhawU5lExHO7gijf1suw2idNwI8Vg15PBNOL8MqViNSILY9A X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon By popular demand, here is the travel log. The individual posts are separa= ted with three asterisks (* * *). I=B4m on a trip, and of course, I have brought a radio to sample some of th= e local broadcast offerings. This evening, I am in Panama City (Panama). There seems to be an aggressive element to the culture here that comes thro= ugh on the radio programming. Some of the music stations that are live play= station IDs over the music in the middle of the song. The DJ often jumps i= n and talks over the music in the middle of the song, doing what some call = "pot whipping." That is where the DJ pulls down the fader for the music sou= rce to duck the music while he talks. Overall, DJing and board opping sound= s a bit sloppy on the stations that I have been listening to. ...to be continued...=20 * * * I am on a terminal at the hotel that restricts login sessions to 10 minutes= , so I have to keep my comments brief. Having to use a Spanish keyboard lay= out adds an extra layer of difficulty because the punctuation marks are not= in the right places. One thing I noticed early on is that the hotel clock radio in this hotel ar= e FM only. In the phone book, the yellow pages entry for radio stations has= a section specifically for FM Stereo stations. In other words, FM is marke= ted very aggressively here. Nonetheless, there are many radio stations on b= oth bands, though a number of the AMs are FM simulcasts. The radio that I brought is my not-so-trusty Sony SRF-42. Doing an AM bands= can, the quality of the different stations varies quite a deal. There are a= number of stations on AM that are using old transmitters that have high le= vels of incidental phase modulation. Two stations have a "rushing" noise in= the L-R channel that sound like oscillator phase noise. One station has a = very strong 120Hz component in the L-R channel that causes the SRF-42=B4s d= etector to have trouble locking onto the signal. Nobody on AM is doing HD R= adio or AM Stereo in this city. Many of the AM stations have very distorted= audio, and one, though not sounding very distorted, splatters quite a bit.= Some of the stations seem to be close-spaced, possibly by only 30 kHz. The= splatterbox station actually interferes with a local neighbor on the dial.= =20 * * * Sorry guys, I have been away from any kind of Internet access for the last = few days--not that I mind :-). AM reception was OK but not great in the hotel in Panama City. The FM dial = had very strong signals that overloaded both the hotel clock radio and my W= alkman. I did hear some heterodynes from off-frequency transmitters at nigh= t. After Panama City, I flew to Bocas del Toro. The place where I stayed was a= set of wood-framed buildings a few miles from the island miles away from t= he nearest power lines. DX was somewhat interesting there. First of all, wi= th some patience, I could hear signals on the expanded band. All of these s= ignals were very weak and in English, suggesting that I was hearing US stat= ions. It appears that nobody else uses the expanded band, other than Mexico= and Canada. Listening to the other frequencies on the dial, I heard mostly= Spanish, with some English from Jamaican stations. I heard a lot of Colomb= ian stations, one from El Salvador, and I think one from Nicaragua. There w= ere a lot of off-frequency signals that caused audible heterodynes. There w= as one real crap-can transmitter on 1510 kHz (location unknown) that wobble= d some 200-300 Hz in frequency with the modulation. There was also a signal= that was just a loud hiss, which I could hear both in Panama City and Boca= s del Toro. At first, I thought that this was a transmitter that was being = fed from an off-air pickup of a FM station, and the FM signal was lost. How= ever, now I=B4m thinking that this must be the 1140 kHz Cuban jammer that I= read about years ago. Overall, the signal levels were much lower than what= I=B4m used to hearing from blowtorches like KGO, suggesting that there are= no big 50kW flamethrowers in Central America. From what I have seen elsewh= ere, stations here typically use 1 or 5 kW. There were also no frequencies = that were dominated by one station. Most of the frequencies sounded like ou= r regional channels, with a few that were closer to the mayhem of our grave= yard channels. What has excited me somewhat about this trip is that I am now hearing for m= yself these FM national stations that I have previously read about. Unlike = in Panama City, the AM dial is virtually dead in smaller communities, such = as Bocas del Toro. In Bocas del Toro, I counted 29 FM signals and just one = AM (660) that was a simulcast of 106.3. That AM station was off the air for= most of my stay. Both of these stations were part of a network programmed = from Panama City. The only station that I confirmed to be local was Imagen = Estereo 97.9. They signed off the programming sometime around 9:00 PM but l= eft the transmitter on. At night, I could hear several dead carriers on FM.= It seems that there are many different ways that these FM networks distrib= ute their audio. I speculate that analog telephone lines and over-the-air p= ickup are common, as some of the stations had somewhat noisy signals with f= aint whines and crackles, and small amounts of 60Hz hum could be heard on m= any of the stations. One of the networks (Radio Ancon) sounded as if it wer= e fed by over-the-air pickup of their Panama City AM outlet with a wide ban= dwidth receiver (there was 120 Hz hum and occasional static crashes). Modul= ation levels seemed to be all over the place, and several of the stations w= ere mono. In the days after my stay in Bocas, I saw the carcasses of at lea= st two AM local stations (single towers not supporting any antennas but not= radiating a signal). From these observations, I concluded that the poverty= of rural Panama combined with competition from the big city FM networks ha= ve made local community radio economically unfeasible there. On top of that= , the FM dial is full. There were a number of programming formats on the air with surprisingly lit= tle duplication of formats for the large number of signals. There were some= full-service stations, news, some public affairs programming, sports, one = station that played jazz and classical (in mono), some English language mus= ic, various styles of Spanish language music inspired by Cuban music, cumbi= a, and by various Caribbean Styles, such as reggae. To be continued (I am now in San Jose, Costa Rica)....=20 * * * I will post my Costa Rica radio observations soon. However, one thing that = has really shocked me (fortunately not in a literal sense yet) is the conce= pt of safety in Costa Rica. For instance: * Most of the cabs don=B4t have seat belts for passenger use. * People drive like maniacs here, and it is common practice for motorcyclis= ts and bicyclists to sandwich themselves in between lanes of traffic. * A lot of building and service wiring looks like it was hacked together, w= ith wires of seemingly random gauges being put in seemingly random arrangem= ents. Either electrical code is non-existent here or it is not enforced. * Knife switches are acceptable for use as service disconnects or to switch= large loads. In rural areas, it is common to see a three-pole knife switch= next to the electric meters. Some of these switches have plastic covers ov= er the contacts, but some don=B4t! * Electric instant water heaters built into the showerhead seem to be commo= n in the hostels here. These units are called=A8"Maxi Shower" and are made = by Lorenzetti. They are rated 120V at 50A. The wiring seems to me on the sk= inny side for that high a current draw. One of the showers at the hostel wh= ere I=B4m staying tonight has a two-pole knife switch and fusible strips in= the shower to provide a disconnect for the Maxi Shower! The contacts and f= usible strips are exposed!!=20 * * * I returned to Portland yesterday afternoon. Here is the rest of my travelog= ue in bits and pieces. I can elaborate on other non-radio things, like food= & beverages, people, wildlife, and weather, if anyone is interested. I spent Friday and Saturday night in Panama city. The plan was to stay in B= ocas del Toro Sunday night, but the stay was extended to Monday night due t= o my travel companion falling ill. On Tuesday, we were off to the next stop= , Punta Mona, Costa Rica. The route there was somewhat circuitous, and I th= ink that the cabbies took advantage of us to some extent. Travel by bus is = a lot cheaper. For reference, I was able to find an official table of AM radio stations in= Costa Rica at http://www.controlderadio.go.cr/documentos/Radiodifusion%20S= onora%20Emisoras%20AM.pdf The biggest signals over there are 20 kW, and I suspect that most, if not a= ll of these are non-directional. 1580 and 1600 seem to be their equivalent = of the "graveyard" channels. We stayed at an organic farming educational center in Punta Mona Tuesday ni= ght. This, like Punta Caracol "Acqua Lodge" in Bocas del Toro was an off-th= e-grid place. No electrical service or roads were available in either locat= ion. Electricity was generated with solar panels, and transportation was by= boat. Punta Mona was only some 30 miles from Bocas del Toro. However, a qu= ick spin of the FM dial showed that the only Bocas del Toro signal that was= still relatively strong was the audio from a station on Channel 6 in that = area. The rest of the dial was silent with a few murmurs around 100 MHz. I = didn't do much more listening from this location. The next day, we headed to Manzanillo (a small town on the Caribbean shore)= and caught the bus to Puerto Viejo. On the bus, I noticed that the Channel= 6 audio was gone, and there were a few signals that were very weak and had= a lot of picket-fencing. One of these stations had very serious overdeviat= ion that made it almost unlistenable. They were playing English-language ol= dies at the time. The AM dial was empty, save for occasional interference f= rom the overhead power lines (I later read that the gravel road, as well as= the power lines, between Puerto Viejo and Manzanillo were not completed un= til 1989!) I was surprised that all of the power pole transformers in this = area were relatively new, until I read that before 20 years ago, there was = no electric service there. There is supposed to be an AM station at 1600 in= Puerto Viejo, but they were not on the air Wednesday afternoon. The bus ride to San Jose gave me some more insights into radio service in C= osta Rica: 1) The rugged terrain causes FM signal strengths to fluctuate wildly when l= istening in a vehicle. Distant signals can pop in momentarily and soon vani= sh, as they are shadowed by hills. 2) There are large rural "white areas" without any kind of radio service. 3) FM translator systems are not as expansive as they are in Panama. The bus route followed highways 32 and later 36. These highways were in muc= h better repair than the rural roads and comparable to the US highway syste= m (two lanes with an occasional widening to 3 for passing). As we approache= d Siquirres, some FM signals started to become audible. I would later find = out that the stronger ones were local, but a few were from San Jose. I pass= ed one structure that looked like an AM tower (possibly TI-LG 1580 kHz), bu= t I could not receive any AM signals, save for the weak skywave signals tha= t were starting to come in. Later on in the trip, we passed Guapiles, where= I heard a local AM station, likely on 1600. They were having some kind of = discussion show, and if I remember correctly, the topic was the World Cup s= occer game between Costa Rica and the US. To be continued....=20 * * * The pre-game show to the Costa Rica-US World Cup soccer game and eventually= parts of the game were played over the radio on the bus. The radio on the = bus was tuned to a FM station on the high side of the dial, which I think w= as out of San Jose. Geographically, the route that we were taking on highwa= y 36 went around San Jose, on the other side of a ridge of mountains. Thus,= the air distance to San Jose was significantly less than what the highway = signs stated. The San Jose FM stations that were audible at this point were= likely transmitting from an antenna farm located near the Irazu volcano. T= his antenna farm is located on the highest point in Costa Rica. There is al= so a Channel 6 television transmitter there. Approaching San Jose, various AM and FM signals could be heard, although th= e close spacing of the FMs--possibly second adjacent in some cases--tended = to drive the SRF-42's AFC nuts. Some of the San Jose AM stations were space= d by as little as 20 kHz! One of the more unexpected stations on the FM side was an outfit calling it= self "Beats 106." They were running a techno and house mix show that at one= point made me question what Costa Rican broadcast decency standards might = be when the material is in a foreign language. In the mix was either a rap = song or a set of samples that said, "You're in Miami, bitch!" and had some = other remarks that were pretty degrading towards women, though I can't spec= ifically recall them. I don't remember hearing any of the George Carlin wor= ds, though the picket-fencing was causing the signal to be unlistenable at = times. The World Cup soccer game was being carried both on FM and AM. There was on= e AM station where a discussion of the game was going on. It goes without s= aying that World Cup soccer is taken very seriously over there. Programming= -wise, many of the AM stations were running religious formats. There were t= wo educational stations (590 and 870) and one oldies station (Radio Liberta= d 570). I think that I might have also heard some salsa and cumbia sounds o= n AM. Despite the crowding at the low end and the middle of San Jose's AM dial, t= he dial seemed to stop around 1300. There is a station licensed to 1280 kHz= , which I am pretty sure that I heard. There is also one on 1360 kHz, which= may have been off the air. The Universidad de Costa Rica radio station on = 870 was in AM Stereo, but was not much to write home about. It had a 120 Hz= hum in the L-R channel, and it seemed like only some of the sources feedin= g the board were actually stereo. Thus, one song would have separation but = the next one wouldn't. (Note: according the Universidad de Costa Rica websi= te, the 870 AM programming is simulcast on shortwave at 6.105 MHz). Radio Libertad had a unique format of pop oldies from the 1950s through the= 1980s. Top 40 radio quickly gained popularity in Latin America very shortl= y after its debut in the US. I was very surprised to hear nobody else runni= ng this format. The Radio Libertad format featured a live DJ with requests = and dedications. One time that I was listening, unfortunately, the DJ goofe= d up and played some of the songs twice. To give an idea of what the music = mix on this station sounded like, I heard a song that sounded like Danny an= d the Juniors with Spanish lyrics, some more traditional sounding Spanish b= allads, A song with Portugese lyrics (the sound somewhat reminiscent of "Th= e Girl From Ipanema"), some mid 60s rock with Spanish lyrics, "I Just Calle= d To Say I Love You" (announced in Spanish as Llame solo para decirte que t= e amo), "Yesterday," and "Satisfaction." The last of these I believe to be = the best example of a recording that was meant to be heard over AM radio. I am starting to regret not having brought a shortwave radio on this trip. = In Costa Rica, I saw three funny-looking transmitting sites that did not lo= ok like regular AM antenna arrays. At first, I thought that these sites wer= e a relic of an earlier era, but I might have been wrong. The first was along highway 32, on the way to Siquirres. There was a sign o= utside the facility identifying it as some sort of experimental facility. T= his site had several (I want to say 5) radio towers supporting a mesh of wi= res that was draped between the towers and sloped to the ground around the = outer towers. There were an additional two towers that each supported a lar= ge rectangular loop antenna (two sides of the loop ran partway down two of = the top guy wires, and the other two sides ran back to the tower). I suspec= t that this may have been some type of longwave site (the mesh being a larg= e capacitance hat for the transmitting antenna), but I have no clue about w= hat the purpose of this site was or what frequency or frequencies they used= . In the San Jose area, there were two sites that may have been shortwave fac= ilities. One had four towers arranged in a square with a wire running on th= e tops of the tower along the edges of the square (i.e. a horizontal loop a= ntenna). Another site had two self-supporting towers with a wire running be= tween them and another wire running down from the midway point (possibly a = dipole antenna, if the wire at the midway point was coax). To be continued....=20 * * * To answer a question that I didn't address directly: the Panamanian and Cos= ta Rican AM facilities seem to be very simple by our standards. The fancies= t site that I saw was the two-tower array next to the Bocas del Toro airpor= t, presumably for 660 kHz. I didn't have a good way to determine whether an= y of the stations reduced power at night, but from the Costa Rican table of= stations that I found, my guess is that for the most part these stations o= perate at the same power levels, day and night. That would explain why the = nighttime AM dial in Central America seems to be so cluttered. I think that= it is possible that in this part of the world, mediumwave was never intend= ed to be used to provide wide-area coverage; shortwave filled that role unt= il the advent of FM translators. San Jose was an interesting place; this city triggered some childhood memor= ies of growing up in Concepcion, Chile, specifically with regards to the ub= iquity of bars on windows and metal fences around houses and buildings. In = my recollection, in Chile, fences were commonly used to mark one's property= line and as a security measure; if well constructed, they were considered = to enhance the beauty of a yard. Metal bars on the windows of homes and bus= inesses were usually found in the city, particularly in rough neighborhoods= . San Jose took the concept a bit further: metal bars and fences were unive= rsally used, regardless of whether the neighborhood was nice or crummy. Raz= or wire or, in some cases electrified wires, were run along the tops of man= y of the fences and in some cases below second-story windows. To a visitor,= this could make the city seem more dangerous than it is. Nonetheless, I found the idiosyncrasies of San Jose architecture to be quit= e charming. There were many mansions (surrounded by ornate cement and wroug= ht iron fences) that were donated to non-profits or government agencies and= thus became museums, hotels, or government offices. There is a certain level of simplicity and humility to San Jose, which I th= ought was well symbolized by the President's house: it is a large single-st= ory home, relatively close to the street, with a small yard. It is next to = a vacant lot! When I passed by the President's house on the tour bus, the g= ate was open, and a policeman was standing guard. A nice black sedan, which= I was told was the President's car, was parked just beyond the gate. There= were no stretch limousines or anything over-the-top like that. Just outside the city of San Jose are rainforests, mountains, and volcanoes= . There are several interesting ways to see the rainforests: one is to repe= l down a cable that has been strung between high points over the forest can= opy; the other is to ride an aerial tram over the forest canopy. I tried bo= th. Cable-repelling (marketed as a "canopy tour") is more of a thrill ride = than anything else. You get some nice views from the platforms, but when yo= u are repelling down the cable, you are moving too fast to get much of an a= ppreciation for what is around you. It is a good opportunity to yell =A1Pur= a vida!* The nature preserve aerial tram ( http://www.rainforestrams.com/craintro.ht= ml ) provided a much more educational experience. The only disappointment w= as that in the early afternoon, when I went on the tour, most of the animal= s were hiding. The tour guides recommended visiting the preserve early in t= he morning, as that is when the animals come out to feed. I saw one sloth a= nd one toucan. I commented that this was the first toucan that I had seen t= hat was not on a cereal box. That is not completely accurate, but that was = the first time that I had been in the presence of a wild toucan. * This is an expression that Costa Ricans like to use as a greeting or in p= leasurable situations. Translated, it means "pure life" or "full of life." = One might say =A1Pura vida! while clinking shotglasses, while having a good= dinner, while talking about Puerto Rican adventures, etc.=20 * * * I wonder whether pre-NARBA, the North American AM radio dial sounded as clu= ttered at night as it does in Central America. The analogy of each state ha= ving its own spectrum regulating association is a good analogy for what lit= tle countries all over the world must face in doing frequency allocations. = We're used to the notion each of the major countries in North America has s= ome clear channel frequencies reserved for it. If each state were an indepe= ndent country, imagine how hairy it would get to work out the international= treaties so that a station could broadcast with 50kW at night! Despite the clutter, the amount of nighttime interference that any one stat= ion suffers within the reach of its groundwave is low because the skywave s= ignals aren't that strong. I didn't hear anything as bad as the interferenc= e that KKSL used to get from the 1290 in Pendleton, and I certainly didn't = hear any really big trainwrecks like what we hear on 1230, 1240, 1340, 1400= , 1450, and 1490. From what I remember my dad saying many years ago, some of the larger South= American countries, such as Brazil, have high powered AM radio stations th= at can be heard over most of the continent at night. When I lived in Chile,= I remember my mom spinning the radio dial one night, and many stations cou= ld be heard, with many stations splattering on their neighbors (likely, the= y were running full-bandwidth audio into their transmitters). Speaking of audio, I thought that the San Jose AMs were overall of a better= quality than the Panama City AMs. I suspect that neither country has any r= egulations specifying pre-emphasis curves or requiring any sort of frequenc= y response proofing. Thus, it sounds as though stations may just be arbitra= rily EQing the sound to compensate for receiver frequency response characte= ristics. Overall, it sounds like almost all of the AM stations use very sim= ple processing. For instance, on Radio Libertad (570), the EQ changed from = song-to-song ("I Just Called To Say I Love You" sounded bright and punchy, = but some of the 60s songs sounded muddy or tinny); the processing sounded l= ike a simple AGC and peak limiter. The audio drive into the transmitter sou= nded like it was a little on the hot side, with slight distortion occurring= on modulation peaks. On the way out of San Jose, I was listening mostly to= 570. The signal had pretty good coverage until the bus got high up into th= e hills; then it started fadind in and out, as the bus made its way between= the different peaks in the jagged terrain.=20 * * * I've been meaning to wrap up this travelogue, as I don't know whether wheth= er interest in this thread is starting to fade. On Sunday (June 7), I was on the Tica Bus out of San Jose, headed back to P= anama city. This was to be a 16 hour bus ride. I started the trip listening= to the Universidad de Costa Rica radio station (870) but felt the need to = change the station when they went into a long program on how to select the = best pet for one's family. I ended up landing on Radio Libertad 570, with t= heir unique and exciting mix of oldies hits. Exiting the San Jose area, I p= assed by an AM site that I think might have been Radio Rica 640. The antenn= a was a single folded unipole tower, and it looked somewhat short for the w= avelength. Not finding the programming there too compelling, I flipped back= to 570 and listened to it until it was almost gone. After that, I tried li= stening to some the FM stations, but I got frustrated with the way that the= ir signals popped in and out, and the way that the AFC jumped willy-nilly b= etween all of the closely-spaced stations. After I came to terms with the fact that I had entered a rural area of Cost= a Rica where there were no receivable AM stations and a few fringe FM stati= ons that were frustrating to listen to, I turned off the radio and went abo= ut making more progress in my reading of _Murrow_ and of catching up on my = sleep. The Costa Rican radio experience changed my mind, to some extent, re= garding why AM radios with those awful 3kHz audio bandwidths were once in v= ogue: they were made with markets like this in mind. Although I was glad th= at I had the SRF-42 as an AM transmitter diagnostic tool, I wish that I had= something with a less hyperactive FM AFC to help in dealing with the close= -spaced FM stations. Sometime later, my travel companion gave me a hard tim= e about having an AM/FM radio, boasting how her iPod could hold 1750 songs = and play movies and videos from Comedy Central. I said that I could have br= ought an MP3 player, but if I had, then I would be listening to stuff that = was already familiar to me, but what I wanted to do on this trip was to fin= d out what people in that part of the world listened to. I don't know wheth= er she understood or cared for my answer--and it doesn't really matter. Som= ewhat ironically, the San Jose FM dial had a number of stations that played= English-language music. Approaching the Panamanian border, around 8 PM, I started to hear some stat= ions. If memory serves me correctly, there were two AMs, both broadcasting = network programming, and a handful of FMs. Crossing the border on a bus is = a multi-step operation that almost left me stranded. The operation works li= ke this: the bus stops at the Costa Rican border office and lets everybody = off. One is supposed to stand in line there to get one's pasport stamped to= reflect having exited Costa Rica and to turn in a form about one's travels= . Then, one walks to the Panamanian border office, and several things are s= upposed to happen there: one is supposed to buy a tourist card for $5, one'= s luggage is inspected, and then one stands in line for a clerk the Panaman= ian entry window, where one turns in a form about swine flu and has one's p= assport and tourist card stamped. Unfortunately, I got the order of operati= ons on the Panamanian side screwed up, thereby wasting precious time. To ma= ke matters worse, the lady who manned the window where the tourist cards we= re sold had vanished (she was eventually found, as the bus was almost ready= to leave!!) After getting back on the bus, I listened to the radio for a bit. In this s= omewhat rural location, the few formats available were all things that I ha= d heard before, so I opted for going back to sleep, as the bus reading ligh= ts didn't work. About 11:30 PM, the bus made a food stop at a travel cafete= ria. Cafeteria food is very cheap in Panama: I bought two tortillas (these = were corn patties about the size of a small hash brown) and a little beef e= mpanada for a total of 75 cents! Approaching the Panama City bus station from Central Panama, I heard an unu= sual musical style that I would later hear identified as "Monta=F1ero." Thi= s type of music featured a concertina, percussion, and an electric bass gui= tar. The rhythm of the music and male Spanish lyrics had a staccato quality= to them; interspersed in the male lyrics was a female voice chanting what = I assume was some indigenous language. The novelty of Monta=F1ero music see= med like something that would wear off very quickly, as many of the songs s= ounded similar to my ears. After a long cab ride from the bus station, I ar= rived in Gamboa, where I spent the night. Gamboa is next to the Panama Cana= l, roughly halfway between the two ports (Panama City and Colon). The next day, after a visit to the Panama Canal, I did another spin of the = radio dial while my travel companion was doing more tourist-ey things. Gamb= oa is approximately 25 miles from both Panama City and Colon. I could hear = stations from both cities, but the signals were surprisingly weak, even on = the AM side, for the relatively short distances involved. What surprised me= the most was that Radio Lider from Panama City (which was 550 or 560 AM), = was very faint. Radio Lider was probably one of the worst of the Panama Cit= y AM stations: they had low modulation levels and badly distorted audio. On= this particular day, a Monday afternoon, no less, their automation puked, = and they were just playing an endless string of Radio Lider IDs without any= music or commercials. The next day, I flew back to the US. Although this trip was pretty interest= ing and certainly a new experience, I was glad to return to Portland. Befor= e ending this travelogue, I have to mention one key difference that I obser= ved between radio over there and in the US. That difference is that with th= e exception of some of the shows that I heard on the religious stations, th= ere is no syndicated or pre-produced programming over there. Thus, the radi= o networks and stations over there are completely responsible for producing= everything that they air. I think that this may help to explain the poor p= roduction values that I heard on some of the smaller market local programs = (such as those of Imagen Estereo 97.9) and why many small communities are n= ot able to sustain local radio stations.=20 From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Jul 12 01:46:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45114 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2009 08:46:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2009 08:46:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f190.google.com) (209.85.222.190) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 08:46:43 -0000 X-Received: by pzk28 with SMTP id 28so1318421pzk.11 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:46:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.25.19 with SMTP id 19mr6563758way.89.1247388392465; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-84-156.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.84.156]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n33sm5792046wag.56.2009.07.12.01.46.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005e01ca02cd$4099e860$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:46:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=ShVMeTlyvI7tS7Wk6ddGx3CMrKWZY69U9ZCow2z18Dcu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cool thanks for describing that for me. my screen reader didn't tell me I had a smily or anything Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: alfredotorrejon To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter That was a reference to the evil grin that I drew at the end of my post, using a greater-than sign for the eyebrows, a colon for the eyes, a dash for the nose, and a right parenthesis for the mouth! --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: > > I have no clue to what you just said or asked..... > > > > > > Powell > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > > > > ________________________________ > From: hank smith > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 4:17:12 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter > > what is a colen dash write parin? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Jul 12 02:01:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79949 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2009 09:01:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jul 2009 09:01:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f178.google.com) (209.85.216.178) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2009 09:01:09 -0000 X-Received: by pxi8 with SMTP id 8so1351490pxi.22 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:00:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.134.1 with SMTP id h1mr6491047wad.63.1247389206850; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (174-18-84-156.tcso.qwest.net [174.18.84.156]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j39sm5832362waf.10.2009.07.12.02.00.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00c601ca02cf$255d0760$813f10ac@xppro> To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:00:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Panama chooses the BUZZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=3l6JVDewyA1Umq-7prg5cGUHc82zfIF2EY6d0akVh1Yf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what were some of the religious programs that you heard? also were they in inglish at all? Hank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: alfredotorrejon=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 10:30 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Panama chooses the BUZZ By popular demand, here is the travel log. The individual posts are separ= ated with three asterisks (* * *). I=B4m on a trip, and of course, I have brought a radio to sample some of = the local broadcast offerings. This evening, I am in Panama City (Panama). There seems to be an aggressive element to the culture here that comes th= rough on the radio programming. Some of the music stations that are live pl= ay station IDs over the music in the middle of the song. The DJ often jumps= in and talks over the music in the middle of the song, doing what some cal= l "pot whipping." That is where the DJ pulls down the fader for the music s= ource to duck the music while he talks. Overall, DJing and board opping sou= nds a bit sloppy on the stations that I have been listening to. ...to be continued...=20 * * * I am on a terminal at the hotel that restricts login sessions to 10 minut= es, so I have to keep my comments brief. Having to use a Spanish keyboard l= ayout adds an extra layer of difficulty because the punctuation marks are n= ot in the right places. One thing I noticed early on is that the hotel clock radio in this hotel = are FM only. In the phone book, the yellow pages entry for radio stations h= as a section specifically for FM Stereo stations. In other words, FM is mar= keted very aggressively here. Nonetheless, there are many radio stations on= both bands, though a number of the AMs are FM simulcasts. The radio that I brought is my not-so-trusty Sony SRF-42. Doing an AM ban= dscan, the quality of the different stations varies quite a deal. There are= a number of stations on AM that are using old transmitters that have high = levels of incidental phase modulation. Two stations have a "rushing" noise = in the L-R channel that sound like oscillator phase noise. One station has = a very strong 120Hz component in the L-R channel that causes the SRF-42=B4s= detector to have trouble locking onto the signal. Nobody on AM is doing HD= Radio or AM Stereo in this city. Many of the AM stations have very distort= ed audio, and one, though not sounding very distorted, splatters quite a bi= t. Some of the stations seem to be close-spaced, possibly by only 30 kHz. T= he splatterbox station actually interferes with a local neighbor on the dia= l.=20 * * * Sorry guys, I have been away from any kind of Internet access for the las= t few days--not that I mind :-). AM reception was OK but not great in the hotel in Panama City. The FM dia= l had very strong signals that overloaded both the hotel clock radio and my= Walkman. I did hear some heterodynes from off-frequency transmitters at ni= ght. After Panama City, I flew to Bocas del Toro. The place where I stayed was= a set of wood-framed buildings a few miles from the island miles away from= the nearest power lines. DX was somewhat interesting there. First of all, = with some patience, I could hear signals on the expanded band. All of these= signals were very weak and in English, suggesting that I was hearing US st= ations. It appears that nobody else uses the expanded band, other than Mexi= co and Canada. Listening to the other frequencies on the dial, I heard most= ly Spanish, with some English from Jamaican stations. I heard a lot of Colo= mbian stations, one from El Salvador, and I think one from Nicaragua. There= were a lot of off-frequency signals that caused audible heterodynes. There= was one real crap-can transmitter on 1510 kHz (location unknown) that wobb= led some 200-300 Hz in frequency with the modulation. There was also a sign= al that was just a loud hiss, which I could hear both in Panama City and Bo= cas del Toro. At first, I thought that this was a transmitter that was bein= g fed from an off-air pickup of a FM station, and the FM signal was lost. H= owever, now I=B4m thinking that this must be the 1140 kHz Cuban jammer that= I read about years ago. Overall, the signal levels were much lower than wh= at I=B4m used to hearing from blowtorches like KGO, suggesting that there a= re no big 50kW flamethrowers in Central America. From what I have seen else= where, stations here typically use 1 or 5 kW. There were also no frequencie= s that were dominated by one station. Most of the frequencies sounded like = our regional channels, with a few that were closer to the mayhem of our gra= veyard channels. What has excited me somewhat about this trip is that I am now hearing for= myself these FM national stations that I have previously read about. Unlik= e in Panama City, the AM dial is virtually dead in smaller communities, suc= h as Bocas del Toro. In Bocas del Toro, I counted 29 FM signals and just on= e AM (660) that was a simulcast of 106.3. That AM station was off the air f= or most of my stay. Both of these stations were part of a network programme= d from Panama City. The only station that I confirmed to be local was Image= n Estereo 97.9. They signed off the programming sometime around 9:00 PM but= left the transmitter on. At night, I could hear several dead carriers on F= M. It seems that there are many different ways that these FM networks distr= ibute their audio. I speculate that analog telephone lines and over-the-air= pickup are common, as some of the stations had somewhat noisy signals with= faint whines and crackles, and small amounts of 60Hz hum could be heard on= many of the stations. One of the networks (Radio Ancon) sounded as if it w= ere fed by over-the-air pickup of their Panama City AM outlet with a wide b= andwidth receiver (there was 120 Hz hum and occasional static crashes). Mod= ulation levels seemed to be all over the place, and several of the stations= were mono. In the days after my stay in Bocas, I saw the carcasses of at l= east two AM local stations (single towers not supporting any antennas but n= ot radiating a signal). From these observations, I concluded that the pover= ty of rural Panama combined with competition from the big city FM networks = have made local community radio economically unfeasible there. On top of th= at, the FM dial is full. There were a number of programming formats on the air with surprisingly l= ittle duplication of formats for the large number of signals. There were so= me full-service stations, news, some public affairs programming, sports, on= e station that played jazz and classical (in mono), some English language m= usic, various styles of Spanish language music inspired by Cuban music, cum= bia, and by various Caribbean Styles, such as reggae. To be continued (I am now in San Jose, Costa Rica)....=20 * * * I will post my Costa Rica radio observations soon. However, one thing tha= t has really shocked me (fortunately not in a literal sense yet) is the con= cept of safety in Costa Rica. For instance: * Most of the cabs don=B4t have seat belts for passenger use. * People drive like maniacs here, and it is common practice for motorcycl= ists and bicyclists to sandwich themselves in between lanes of traffic. * A lot of building and service wiring looks like it was hacked together,= with wires of seemingly random gauges being put in seemingly random arrang= ements. Either electrical code is non-existent here or it is not enforced. * Knife switches are acceptable for use as service disconnects or to swit= ch large loads. In rural areas, it is common to see a three-pole knife swit= ch next to the electric meters. Some of these switches have plastic covers = over the contacts, but some don=B4t! * Electric instant water heaters built into the showerhead seem to be com= mon in the hostels here. These units are called=A8"Maxi Shower" and are mad= e by Lorenzetti. They are rated 120V at 50A. The wiring seems to me on the = skinny side for that high a current draw. One of the showers at the hostel = where I=B4m staying tonight has a two-pole knife switch and fusible strips = in the shower to provide a disconnect for the Maxi Shower! The contacts and= fusible strips are exposed!!=20 * * * I returned to Portland yesterday afternoon. Here is the rest of my travel= ogue in bits and pieces. I can elaborate on other non-radio things, like fo= od & beverages, people, wildlife, and weather, if anyone is interested. I spent Friday and Saturday night in Panama city. The plan was to stay in= Bocas del Toro Sunday night, but the stay was extended to Monday night due= to my travel companion falling ill. On Tuesday, we were off to the next st= op, Punta Mona, Costa Rica. The route there was somewhat circuitous, and I = think that the cabbies took advantage of us to some extent. Travel by bus i= s a lot cheaper. For reference, I was able to find an official table of AM radio stations = in Costa Rica at http://www.controlderadio.go.cr/documentos/Radiodifusion%2= 0Sonora%20Emisoras%20AM.pdf The biggest signals over there are 20 kW, and I suspect that most, if not= all of these are non-directional. 1580 and 1600 seem to be their equivalen= t of the "graveyard" channels. We stayed at an organic farming educational center in Punta Mona Tuesday = night. This, like Punta Caracol "Acqua Lodge" in Bocas del Toro was an off-= the-grid place. No electrical service or roads were available in either loc= ation. Electricity was generated with solar panels, and transportation was = by boat. Punta Mona was only some 30 miles from Bocas del Toro. However, a = quick spin of the FM dial showed that the only Bocas del Toro signal that w= as still relatively strong was the audio from a station on Channel 6 in tha= t area. The rest of the dial was silent with a few murmurs around 100 MHz. = I didn't do much more listening from this location. The next day, we headed to Manzanillo (a small town on the Caribbean shor= e) and caught the bus to Puerto Viejo. On the bus, I noticed that the Chann= el 6 audio was gone, and there were a few signals that were very weak and h= ad a lot of picket-fencing. One of these stations had very serious overdevi= ation that made it almost unlistenable. They were playing English-language = oldies at the time. The AM dial was empty, save for occasional interference= from the overhead power lines (I later read that the gravel road, as well = as the power lines, between Puerto Viejo and Manzanillo were not completed = until 1989!) I was surprised that all of the power pole transformers in thi= s area were relatively new, until I read that before 20 years ago, there wa= s no electric service there. There is supposed to be an AM station at 1600 = in Puerto Viejo, but they were not on the air Wednesday afternoon. The bus ride to San Jose gave me some more insights into radio service in= Costa Rica: 1) The rugged terrain causes FM signal strengths to fluctuate wildly when= listening in a vehicle. Distant signals can pop in momentarily and soon va= nish, as they are shadowed by hills. 2) There are large rural "white areas" without any kind of radio service. 3) FM translator systems are not as expansive as they are in Panama. The bus route followed highways 32 and later 36. These highways were in m= uch better repair than the rural roads and comparable to the US highway sys= tem (two lanes with an occasional widening to 3 for passing). As we approac= hed Siquirres, some FM signals started to become audible. I would later fin= d out that the stronger ones were local, but a few were from San Jose. I pa= ssed one structure that looked like an AM tower (possibly TI-LG 1580 kHz), = but I could not receive any AM signals, save for the weak skywave signals t= hat were starting to come in. Later on in the trip, we passed Guapiles, whe= re I heard a local AM station, likely on 1600. They were having some kind o= f discussion show, and if I remember correctly, the topic was the World Cup= soccer game between Costa Rica and the US. To be continued....=20 * * * The pre-game show to the Costa Rica-US World Cup soccer game and eventual= ly parts of the game were played over the radio on the bus. The radio on th= e bus was tuned to a FM station on the high side of the dial, which I think= was out of San Jose. Geographically, the route that we were taking on high= way 36 went around San Jose, on the other side of a ridge of mountains. Thu= s, the air distance to San Jose was significantly less than what the highwa= y signs stated. The San Jose FM stations that were audible at this point we= re likely transmitting from an antenna farm located near the Irazu volcano.= This antenna farm is located on the highest point in Costa Rica. There is = also a Channel 6 television transmitter there. Approaching San Jose, various AM and FM signals could be heard, although = the close spacing of the FMs--possibly second adjacent in some cases--tende= d to drive the SRF-42's AFC nuts. Some of the San Jose AM stations were spa= ced by as little as 20 kHz! One of the more unexpected stations on the FM side was an outfit calling = itself "Beats 106." They were running a techno and house mix show that at o= ne point made me question what Costa Rican broadcast decency standards migh= t be when the material is in a foreign language. In the mix was either a ra= p song or a set of samples that said, "You're in Miami, bitch!" and had som= e other remarks that were pretty degrading towards women, though I can't sp= ecifically recall them. I don't remember hearing any of the George Carlin w= ords, though the picket-fencing was causing the signal to be unlistenable a= t times. The World Cup soccer game was being carried both on FM and AM. There was = one AM station where a discussion of the game was going on. It goes without= saying that World Cup soccer is taken very seriously over there. Programmi= ng-wise, many of the AM stations were running religious formats. There were= two educational stations (590 and 870) and one oldies station (Radio Liber= tad 570). I think that I might have also heard some salsa and cumbia sounds= on AM. Despite the crowding at the low end and the middle of San Jose's AM dial,= the dial seemed to stop around 1300. There is a station licensed to 1280 k= Hz, which I am pretty sure that I heard. There is also one on 1360 kHz, whi= ch may have been off the air. The Universidad de Costa Rica radio station o= n 870 was in AM Stereo, but was not much to write home about. It had a 120 = Hz hum in the L-R channel, and it seemed like only some of the sources feed= ing the board were actually stereo. Thus, one song would have separation bu= t the next one wouldn't. (Note: according the Universidad de Costa Rica web= site, the 870 AM programming is simulcast on shortwave at 6.105 MHz). Radio Libertad had a unique format of pop oldies from the 1950s through t= he 1980s. Top 40 radio quickly gained popularity in Latin America very shor= tly after its debut in the US. I was very surprised to hear nobody else run= ning this format. The Radio Libertad format featured a live DJ with request= s and dedications. One time that I was listening, unfortunately, the DJ goo= fed up and played some of the songs twice. To give an idea of what the musi= c mix on this station sounded like, I heard a song that sounded like Danny = and the Juniors with Spanish lyrics, some more traditional sounding Spanish= ballads, A song with Portugese lyrics (the sound somewhat reminiscent of "= The Girl From Ipanema"), some mid 60s rock with Spanish lyrics, "I Just Cal= led To Say I Love You" (announced in Spanish as Llame solo para decirte que= te amo), "Yesterday," and "Satisfaction." The last of these I believe to b= e the best example of a recording that was meant to be heard over AM radio. I am starting to regret not having brought a shortwave radio on this trip= . In Costa Rica, I saw three funny-looking transmitting sites that did not = look like regular AM antenna arrays. At first, I thought that these sites w= ere a relic of an earlier era, but I might have been wrong. The first was along highway 32, on the way to Siquirres. There was a sign= outside the facility identifying it as some sort of experimental facility.= This site had several (I want to say 5) radio towers supporting a mesh of = wires that was draped between the towers and sloped to the ground around th= e outer towers. There were an additional two towers that each supported a l= arge rectangular loop antenna (two sides of the loop ran partway down two o= f the top guy wires, and the other two sides ran back to the tower). I susp= ect that this may have been some type of longwave site (the mesh being a la= rge capacitance hat for the transmitting antenna), but I have no clue about= what the purpose of this site was or what frequency or frequencies they us= ed. In the San Jose area, there were two sites that may have been shortwave f= acilities. One had four towers arranged in a square with a wire running on = the tops of the tower along the edges of the square (i.e. a horizontal loop= antenna). Another site had two self-supporting towers with a wire running = between them and another wire running down from the midway point (possibly = a dipole antenna, if the wire at the midway point was coax). To be continued....=20 * * * To answer a question that I didn't address directly: the Panamanian and C= osta Rican AM facilities seem to be very simple by our standards. The fanci= est site that I saw was the two-tower array next to the Bocas del Toro airp= ort, presumably for 660 kHz. I didn't have a good way to determine whether = any of the stations reduced power at night, but from the Costa Rican table = of stations that I found, my guess is that for the most part these stations= operate at the same power levels, day and night. That would explain why th= e nighttime AM dial in Central America seems to be so cluttered. I think th= at it is possible that in this part of the world, mediumwave was never inte= nded to be used to provide wide-area coverage; shortwave filled that role u= ntil the advent of FM translators. San Jose was an interesting place; this city triggered some childhood mem= ories of growing up in Concepcion, Chile, specifically with regards to the = ubiquity of bars on windows and metal fences around houses and buildings. I= n my recollection, in Chile, fences were commonly used to mark one's proper= ty line and as a security measure; if well constructed, they were considere= d to enhance the beauty of a yard. Metal bars on the windows of homes and b= usinesses were usually found in the city, particularly in rough neighborhoo= ds. San Jose took the concept a bit further: metal bars and fences were uni= versally used, regardless of whether the neighborhood was nice or crummy. R= azor wire or, in some cases electrified wires, were run along the tops of m= any of the fences and in some cases below second-story windows. To a visito= r, this could make the city seem more dangerous than it is. Nonetheless, I found the idiosyncrasies of San Jose architecture to be qu= ite charming. There were many mansions (surrounded by ornate cement and wro= ught iron fences) that were donated to non-profits or government agencies a= nd thus became museums, hotels, or government offices. There is a certain level of simplicity and humility to San Jose, which I = thought was well symbolized by the President's house: it is a large single-= story home, relatively close to the street, with a small yard. It is next t= o a vacant lot! When I passed by the President's house on the tour bus, the= gate was open, and a policeman was standing guard. A nice black sedan, whi= ch I was told was the President's car, was parked just beyond the gate. The= re were no stretch limousines or anything over-the-top like that. Just outside the city of San Jose are rainforests, mountains, and volcano= es. There are several interesting ways to see the rainforests: one is to re= pel down a cable that has been strung between high points over the forest c= anopy; the other is to ride an aerial tram over the forest canopy. I tried = both. Cable-repelling (marketed as a "canopy tour") is more of a thrill rid= e than anything else. You get some nice views from the platforms, but when = you are repelling down the cable, you are moving too fast to get much of an= appreciation for what is around you. It is a good opportunity to yell =A1P= ura vida!* The nature preserve aerial tram ( http://www.rainforestrams.com/craintro.= html ) provided a much more educational experience. The only disappointment= was that in the early afternoon, when I went on the tour, most of the anim= als were hiding. The tour guides recommended visiting the preserve early in= the morning, as that is when the animals come out to feed. I saw one sloth= and one toucan. I commented that this was the first toucan that I had seen= that was not on a cereal box. That is not completely accurate, but that wa= s the first time that I had been in the presence of a wild toucan. * This is an expression that Costa Ricans like to use as a greeting or in= pleasurable situations. Translated, it means "pure life" or "full of life.= " One might say =A1Pura vida! while clinking shotglasses, while having a go= od dinner, while talking about Puerto Rican adventures, etc.=20 * * * I wonder whether pre-NARBA, the North American AM radio dial sounded as c= luttered at night as it does in Central America. The analogy of each state = having its own spectrum regulating association is a good analogy for what l= ittle countries all over the world must face in doing frequency allocations= . We're used to the notion each of the major countries in North America has= some clear channel frequencies reserved for it. If each state were an inde= pendent country, imagine how hairy it would get to work out the internation= al treaties so that a station could broadcast with 50kW at night! Despite the clutter, the amount of nighttime interference that any one st= ation suffers within the reach of its groundwave is low because the skywave= signals aren't that strong. I didn't hear anything as bad as the interfere= nce that KKSL used to get from the 1290 in Pendleton, and I certainly didn'= t hear any really big trainwrecks like what we hear on 1230, 1240, 1340, 14= 00, 1450, and 1490. From what I remember my dad saying many years ago, some of the larger Sou= th American countries, such as Brazil, have high powered AM radio stations = that can be heard over most of the continent at night. When I lived in Chil= e, I remember my mom spinning the radio dial one night, and many stations c= ould be heard, with many stations splattering on their neighbors (likely, t= hey were running full-bandwidth audio into their transmitters). Speaking of audio, I thought that the San Jose AMs were overall of a bett= er quality than the Panama City AMs. I suspect that neither country has any= regulations specifying pre-emphasis curves or requiring any sort of freque= ncy response proofing. Thus, it sounds as though stations may just be arbit= rarily EQing the sound to compensate for receiver frequency response charac= teristics. Overall, it sounds like almost all of the AM stations use very s= imple processing. For instance, on Radio Libertad (570), the EQ changed fro= m song-to-song ("I Just Called To Say I Love You" sounded bright and punchy= , but some of the 60s songs sounded muddy or tinny); the processing sounded= like a simple AGC and peak limiter. The audio drive into the transmitter s= ounded like it was a little on the hot side, with slight distortion occurri= ng on modulation peaks. On the way out of San Jose, I was listening mostly = to 570. The signal had pretty good coverage until the bus got high up into = the hills; then it started fadind in and out, as the bus made its way betwe= en the different peaks in the jagged terrain.=20 * * * I've been meaning to wrap up this travelogue, as I don't know whether whe= ther interest in this thread is starting to fade. On Sunday (June 7), I was on the Tica Bus out of San Jose, headed back to= Panama city. This was to be a 16 hour bus ride. I started the trip listeni= ng to the Universidad de Costa Rica radio station (870) but felt the need t= o change the station when they went into a long program on how to select th= e best pet for one's family. I ended up landing on Radio Libertad 570, with= their unique and exciting mix of oldies hits. Exiting the San Jose area, I= passed by an AM site that I think might have been Radio Rica 640. The ante= nna was a single folded unipole tower, and it looked somewhat short for the= wavelength. Not finding the programming there too compelling, I flipped ba= ck to 570 and listened to it until it was almost gone. After that, I tried = listening to some the FM stations, but I got frustrated with the way that t= heir signals popped in and out, and the way that the AFC jumped willy-nilly= between all of the closely-spaced stations. After I came to terms with the fact that I had entered a rural area of Co= sta Rica where there were no receivable AM stations and a few fringe FM sta= tions that were frustrating to listen to, I turned off the radio and went a= bout making more progress in my reading of _Murrow_ and of catching up on m= y sleep. The Costa Rican radio experience changed my mind, to some extent, = regarding why AM radios with those awful 3kHz audio bandwidths were once in= vogue: they were made with markets like this in mind. Although I was glad = that I had the SRF-42 as an AM transmitter diagnostic tool, I wish that I h= ad something with a less hyperactive FM AFC to help in dealing with the clo= se-spaced FM stations. Sometime later, my travel companion gave me a hard t= ime about having an AM/FM radio, boasting how her iPod could hold 1750 song= s and play movies and videos from Comedy Central. I said that I could have = brought an MP3 player, but if I had, then I would be listening to stuff tha= t was already familiar to me, but what I wanted to do on this trip was to f= ind out what people in that part of the world listened to. I don't know whe= ther she understood or cared for my answer--and it doesn't really matter. S= omewhat ironically, the San Jose FM dial had a number of stations that play= ed English-language music. Approaching the Panamanian border, around 8 PM, I started to hear some st= ations. If memory serves me correctly, there were two AMs, both broadcastin= g network programming, and a handful of FMs. Crossing the border on a bus i= s a multi-step operation that almost left me stranded. The operation works = like this: the bus stops at the Costa Rican border office and lets everybod= y off. One is supposed to stand in line there to get one's pasport stamped = to reflect having exited Costa Rica and to turn in a form about one's trave= ls. Then, one walks to the Panamanian border office, and several things are= supposed to happen there: one is supposed to buy a tourist card for $5, on= e's luggage is inspected, and then one stands in line for a clerk the Panam= anian entry window, where one turns in a form about swine flu and has one's= passport and tourist card stamped. Unfortunately, I got the order of opera= tions on the Panamanian side screwed up, thereby wasting precious time. To = make matters worse, the lady who manned the window where the tourist cards = were sold had vanished (she was eventually found, as the bus was almost rea= dy to leave!!) After getting back on the bus, I listened to the radio for a bit. In this= somewhat rural location, the few formats available were all things that I = had heard before, so I opted for going back to sleep, as the bus reading li= ghts didn't work. About 11:30 PM, the bus made a food stop at a travel cafe= teria. Cafeteria food is very cheap in Panama: I bought two tortillas (thes= e were corn patties about the size of a small hash brown) and a little beef= empanada for a total of 75 cents! Approaching the Panama City bus station from Central Panama, I heard an u= nusual musical style that I would later hear identified as "Monta=F1ero." T= his type of music featured a concertina, percussion, and an electric bass g= uitar. The rhythm of the music and male Spanish lyrics had a staccato quali= ty to them; interspersed in the male lyrics was a female voice chanting wha= t I assume was some indigenous language. The novelty of Monta=F1ero music s= eemed like something that would wear off very quickly, as many of the songs= sounded similar to my ears. After a long cab ride from the bus station, I = arrived in Gamboa, where I spent the night. Gamboa is next to the Panama Ca= nal, roughly halfway between the two ports (Panama City and Colon). The next day, after a visit to the Panama Canal, I did another spin of th= e radio dial while my travel companion was doing more tourist-ey things. Ga= mboa is approximately 25 miles from both Panama City and Colon. I could hea= r stations from both cities, but the signals were surprisingly weak, even o= n the AM side, for the relatively short distances involved. What surprised = me the most was that Radio Lider from Panama City (which was 550 or 560 AM)= , was very faint. Radio Lider was probably one of the worst of the Panama C= ity AM stations: they had low modulation levels and badly distorted audio. = On this particular day, a Monday afternoon, no less, their automation puked= , and they were just playing an endless string of Radio Lider IDs without a= ny music or commercials. The next day, I flew back to the US. Although this trip was pretty intere= sting and certainly a new experience, I was glad to return to Portland. Bef= ore ending this travelogue, I have to mention one key difference that I obs= erved between radio over there and in the US. That difference is that with = the exception of some of the shows that I heard on the religious stations, = there is no syndicated or pre-produced programming over there. Thus, the ra= dio networks and stations over there are completely responsible for produci= ng everything that they air. I think that this may help to explain the poor= production values that I heard on some of the smaller market local program= s (such as those of Imagen Estereo 97.9) and why many small communities are= not able to sustain local radio stations.=20 =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Jul 13 07:25:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62204 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 14:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2009 14:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 14:23:49 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFFYS49AZKYSU2 for (sender ); Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:23:27 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDzFT90r5CTkrbNTq3Nxe+go= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PMCWYNJQ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:22:52 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.25.34] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:22:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:22:07 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20090713.072207.2294.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3636989071 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Dictator now in radio business X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=xqEh8g1gUllF3043-u3DpD_qxmBnggL9qoNEwcATLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Dictator now in radio business: 154 private FMs are taken over by Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez. First = the radio and TV stations, then the electoral process, and before you know = it, he will scrap the Venezuelan constitution. Yes, that=92s how important = media is in a society.The Chavez government=92s public works minister says = =93the use of the radio-electric spectrum is one of the few areas where the= revolution has not been felt.=94 After Chavez takes the reins of the 154 F= M stations, he=92ll then annex supervision of 86 AMs. From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Mon Jul 13 12:51:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 744 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 19:51:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2009 19:51:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 19:51:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2009 19:51:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2009 19:51:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:51:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c601ca02cf$255d0760$813f10ac@xppro> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Panama chooses the BUZZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=GADTpUXf9wxYzJIcuRf8l6eznr2VCgWUWB_5JCtFzrtf0rKvA6mz24QL X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon The two that I recall were a live children's show on a Panama City station = and the Spanish version of "Thru The Bible" on a San Jose station. The chi= ldren's program featured children singing religious songs and a clown who g= ave out prizes while circus-style music played. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > what were some of the religious programs that you heard? > also were they in inglish at all? > Hank From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Mon Jul 13 13:18:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35239 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 20:18:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2009 20:18:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 20:18:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2009 20:18:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jul 2009 20:18:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:18:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=NUTLmRCQEJlNMUVsRhwTHJBl88GRhCiuyeeLyYE91c8eIbB7plV1QocR X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon I apologize for missing the straightforward right answer in favor of an ela= borate wrong answer. I actually used the mV/meter number at 1km for WHAM's= tower to try to figure out what "gain" to plug into the calculator website= . Instead, I should have used that mV/meter figure to calculate the field = strength at 1km for 80mW of power, as previously described. Field strength= s at other distances would then be calculated using the FCC groundwave curv= es. The really great thing about those mV/meter numbers that appear on the= FCC's radio station database is that they are empirical measurements. The calculator tool that I had linked was originally conceived for the purp= ose of estimating the field strengths delivered by low-powered VHF and UHF = transmitters when one has a clear line of sight to the transmitter. I had = made the (possibly mistaken) assumption that for the short distances over w= hich any transmitter well under 1 Watt could produce a usable signal, the "= space wave" would be the dominant mode of propagation, since there would ve= ry likely be a direct line-of sight to the transmitting antenna. Skywave c= ertainly wouldn't be a factor at these short distances. With regards to "dBi" numbers, I have suspected for many years that the mai= n reason that antennas are referenced to this hypothetical isotropic antenn= a is due to the desires of marketing people. The gain numbers are 2.15 dB = bigger when the reference is an isotropic antenna rather than a dipole. If= memory serves me correctly, a CB or HAM book that I read many years ago sa= id that antenna manufacturer marketing people were the reason that so many = communications antennas are specified in dBi. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Have you ever wondered how much range a Part 15 transmitter would have=20 > connected to a legitmate antenna? >=20 > There MIGHT be a hypothetical 5kW daytime only Class II station with a=20 > quarter wave freestanding tower and good ground system. This station's t= ower=20 > might just happen to be exactly a halfwave at the top of the extended AM= =20 > broadcast band. This imaginary station might be located on a campus sett= ing in=20 > the middle of a large metropolitan area. >=20 > A transmitter with a measured output of 80 mW produced a good signal at= =20 > 1,700 khz for about a quarter mile, listenable for about another half mil= e,=20 > and detectable around a mile on a Delco Concert II AMS car radio.=20=20 > Hypothetically, of course. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL=20 > Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=3Demlcntuslove00000003) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jul 13 15:49:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13010 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 22:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2009 22:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 22:49:32 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a5bb9b953; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:48:25 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bbf.53596da4 (41810) for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:48:16 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dictator now in radio business X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=RS1Up5ltvvqPIYLNVhEE5Yj5v3GtJDuJWBWTaBVe-HEf1OxPvTJJbBuSGA8sqKeS X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Government have controlled their airwaves since Marconi (or Tesla) invented radio. If you think Chavez controls Venezula airwaves, you should have seen the United Kingdom, the oldest continuous democracy in the history of man, not many years ago. If Hugo has figured out how to get people to listen to leftwing AM radio, he needs to give Mark Green at Air America a call. Here's the real question: What are Chavez's views on CQUAM? Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jul 13 16:01:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59940 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2009 23:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Jul 2009 23:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.138.209) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2009 23:01:41 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-m07.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a5bbca8353; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:00:56 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bc2.4a4a4c6b (41810) for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:01:11 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.138.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=F0DdVkTBf4irk4KOpbEQQ-bxyPX0SU6MWhbyjHCyErgr9xP7xTaqLLAWH46Yu5wC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alfredo, Take at look at KFBK's field strength. A quarter wave tower yields about 300mV/m at 1 km. A halfwave yields about 400 mV/m. A 5/8 wave yields about 500 mV/m. KFBK's pair of Franklins yield an average of 3126.79 mV/m at 1 kilometer! With the 50kw they put into them, that creates a field equal to a station putting 3.2 Megawatts into a halfwave tower. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jul 13 18:28:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13478 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 01:28:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2009 01:28:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 01:28:29 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.46] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090713202733100653100010.0) with SMTP id <20090713202733100653100010> for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:27:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00cc01ca0422$9e0f9160$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:27:33 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dear Mr. Chuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=X1a1XT2_RNgEqKSSq5w_KLlMdsqFggH83j0stK7TfdZ6lrAZDAQ7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually the frequency needs to be 4x, not 2x carrier. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dear Mr. Chuff Jim, As I understand it, you can just buy a 5V 8-pin DIP crystal oscillator at TWICE the required frequency from Digikey. I don't think there are any tuned circuits in the design. Also, I believe it is Chris Cuff, no Chuff. One sure fire way to hear from him is post some premium AM Stereo Walkman on eBay. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jul 13 18:31:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18625 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 01:31:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2009 01:31:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 01:31:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.46] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090713203109101195300010.0) with SMTP id <20090713203109101195300010> for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:31:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00f301ca0423$1eeb8b40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:31:09 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin BA-2.5K problem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=rY7vyLKNm45gDy1QFWXfDmY-Bo98OzpqgvU7Ps7A-4O0Xth37P9q X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or there isn't low enough contact resistance. The socket should be on its way in a day or two. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} McMartin BA-2.5K problem Doesn't the 4-1000A have its own filament transformer/winding? Have you checked the output of the transformer? Maybe the primary fuse for it is blown. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=T3K7M3QGKFHH8agC32qS8sWvfIgiD4UR67veo4KbG7FllY18jKu3iOU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio "...KFBK's pair of Franklins yield an average of 3126.79 mV/m at 1 kilometer!..." Wow - now a crystal radio would work with that - imagine 3 volts in the air at a half mile away! That would tend to overload the front end of most old analog car radios to the point of desensitizing the whole band for competing stations! Add C-Quam, music, and now we're talking some smoking olides with an ERP of 3MegaWatts. From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Tue Jul 14 13:16:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62499 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 20:16:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2009 20:16:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 20:16:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2009 20:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2009 20:16:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:16:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=eMFhKnINh4QqOO2UIniOfxSMbwhzn4vkRDATBRoOyO-DSbILnG5SqikQ X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon I was looking at the FCC page yesterday, and indeed, KFBK's average field s= trength at 1 km is 3126.79 mV. In the main lobes, it is over 5000 mV! But= , are these field strengths for 1kW into the antenna (as in the case of oth= er AM stations in the FCC's database) or are they for 50kW? It seems almos= t too good to be true that KFBK could get a power gain on the order of 60 f= rom a pair of Franklin antennas. Nonetheless, I am in Oregon, pretty close to one of KFBK's main lobes, and = that station puts a monster signal into this area every night. I have hear= d the groundwave signal on 1530 myself, from various places in California, = as well as the Gerlach, NV area; it has phenomenal coverage for being that = high on the dial! --Alfredo =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Alfredo, >=20 > Take at look at KFBK's field strength. A quarter wave tower yields about= =20 > 300mV/m at 1 km. A halfwave yields about 400 mV/m. A 5/8 wave yields ab= out=20 > 500 mV/m. >=20 > KFBK's pair of Franklins yield an average of 3126.79 mV/m at 1 kilometer!= =20=20 > With the 50kw they put into them, that creates a field equal to a station= =20 > putting 3.2 Megawatts into a halfwave tower. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************** > Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals.=20 > (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=3Demlcntuslove00000003) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jul 14 15:30:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45442 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2009 22:30:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2009 22:30:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2009 22:30:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92811 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2009 22:30:22 -0000 Message-ID: <602179.88319.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: lQ7YEEMVM1kVJogwsRqP7OFKNpUmaOdVNDL5zIuuhMKwXiLjnH6.49DQl9YyiIzUwPzr8DEM8CQ799ijUr4fyHw8rx6nvJT23mmQCjItEZoL_5mAkmVowPTf_C5joLrWhUvQLksYJKBcXgrftbB5cGfdyunF2Q_WwrynYTJ4HTPTtGZLEvmPjSDJrRVF6FksqNJ.z_qove5LJ5zPyWSF7faMi38dV1y70HoDYe2jWJUkiP1aASDfUFpQaglTzGrQZdOrdby6_5C3URUSpHOP6A0aqTSXIpBMzUED0wua0hv124zhWrlxRwlpTQS_zw1JKp_h7vA6sIHOyq3WaC0WY7p8kHG27c3GvaBxeCYfjR4G9oWl X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:30:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:30:22 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dictator now in radio business X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=jKnWaxIHUDqrIcylQr6ubZYMtdh10hdFCiedk0wCCdTehQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dos canals es bueno! --- On Mon, 7/13/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dictator now in radio business To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 6:48 PM Government have controlled their airwaves since Marconi (or Tesla) invented radio. If you think Chavez controls Venezula airwaves, you should have seen the United Kingdom, the oldest continuous democracy in the history of man, not many years ago. If Hugo has figured out how to get people to listen to leftwing AM radio, he needs to give Mark Green at Air America a call. Here's the real question: What are Chavez's views on CQUAM? Mike ************ ** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals. aol.com/? ncid=emlcntuslov e00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jul 14 18:10:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14612 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 01:08:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2009 01:08:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 01:08:47 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.166] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090714200801102085900010.0) with SMTP id <20090714200801102085900010> for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:08:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009c01ca04e9$0e77be20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:08:01 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1QZiObMSm4YwwEKJPi1b5EUKvIcs1MGpyMX3Kk7RcQFB5hxDpqhv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan- Unless things are different in your country, only the post office can= deliver to a PO Box. I can send the socket via the mail but would rather = use FedEx or DHL which would need a street address. Please let me know how= you want it sent so I can get you back on the air. I've got it boxed up a= nd ready to go otherwise. One possible temporary fix to your transmitter- move one of the PA sockets = to the defective modulator position and run with just one PA tube for now. = Run the transmitter at reduced power if necessary. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:10 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base Really? I'll thank you so much if you send me the socket (we called it "base", he= hehehe). My physical address is: JUAN JES=DAS PAREDES GUERRA, CASILLA POSTAL 689, CURIC=D3, REGI=D3N DEL MAULE, CHILE. By the way, "Casilla Postal" is the spanish equivalent to the english "P.= O. Box". Of course, you have to tell me the price of the socket and your physical = address to let me send you the money by the Western Union Postal Order syst= em. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I can pull one from a scrapped 2.5K I have. Just let me know where to s= end it >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Powell E. Way III=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Charlie Goodrich has McMartin stuff.=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > From: jotape1960 > > Subject: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 12:27 PM > > Hi Gang!!! > >=20 > > I need your help. > >=20 > > I need 1 base to the 4-1000A vacuum tube, because one of > > "my" McMartin TX is gone (one of the filament connectors is > > broken). > >=20 > > Any idea, please let me know. > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ------------------------------------ > >=20 > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > > Groups Links > >=20 > >=20 > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfam= ily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Jul 14 18:11:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63372 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 01:11:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2009 01:11:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 01:11:41 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.166] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090714201110102574400010.0) with SMTP id <20090714201110102574400010> for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:11:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00aa01ca04e9$7ef42120$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:11:10 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dictator now in radio business X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=qwktA7hDEowXIPkGyu8yTlwbLlnuC3It8SNw16WisFrLbC6dgFAn X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And it was so boring that people clamored for foreign stations like Radio Luxembourg. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dictator now in radio business Government have controlled their airwaves since Marconi (or Tesla) invented radio. If you think Chavez controls Venezula airwaves, you should have seen the United Kingdom, the oldest continuous democracy in the history of man, not many years ago. If Hugo has figured out how to get people to listen to leftwing AM radio, he needs to give Mark Green at Air America a call. Here's the real question: What are Chavez's views on CQUAM? Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Jul 14 23:30:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 278 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 06:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2009 06:30:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.240) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 06:30:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 46335 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2009 06:29:49 -0000 Message-ID: <120149.44978.qm@web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KTZNTicVM1nvXZAX4ngMsRpxiBpbYiYQVp2p3rnk.KwWXDwnE_VJ0L2R5e32sKipzUjW6SMTWC0nEND9dq.QymsePP7fCnG4.RoZ2QcXag.CGI84WkSgIT3HBGOdjxzx.XTKpw4DC7UkybVqTnoBqJVRwB3nxK6mtP7K1e1gK49z5jUhRIUoQRw6jpwfV4HP8irqFgeA4S7jlfDdb.cE1ulKK0XZ6Z.9rGZZBYn8O1zYM0uOkA2QNx3Km2tFk3iQ_ofWx69XKUaaM42Jif0_ySVmFTJZbfEPbb61O3WBXRUpMwoWu0g8GAxv6YXtjtH0NUdQXJe.qXYzb8EGEKnq1BI- X-Received: from [201.246.56.87] by web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:29:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:29:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.240 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jota Pe Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=jN0VCkZEYWi_bsh3qjLUsrcURB3ktK6xz4dzj2CpBbYQYsWfXg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Scott!!! =A0 Thanks so much for your time!!! =A0 If you need some street address for me, it is: =A0 Juan Jes=FAs Paredes Guerra, CC-126 RADIO CONDELL AM, CARMEN 714, CURIC=D3, REGI=D3N DEL MAULE, CHILE =A0 By the way, I fix temporary the problem with a local (chilean) lathe piece,= made nearest the original shape (not the exactly shape), and it is working= (for now). I know it isn't the ideal solution but... it is working, hehehe= he!!! =A0 You know I'm not an "academic" engineer, so I wonder about your temporary s= olution (to work with only one PA tube), Isn't dangerous to the rest of the= circuit? It is intended "just in case" another similar failure. =A0 And, at last, just a doubt: in the McMartin BA-2.5K owner's manual, appears= something related to two variable resistors to change the amount of modula= tion from the reactor to the tubes. These controls would have to be at the = left of the mod tubes sockets. BUT... in my specific TX, they aren't there = and I can't see any similar thing near this section. ??? What's wrong here?= Am I blind? or My TX is different to the original design? =A0 THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR TIME!!! =A0 GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! =A0 =A0 Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- El mar 14-jul-09, scottn0bst@usfamily.net esc= ribi=F3: De: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Asunto: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base A: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fecha: martes, 14 julio, 2009, 10:08 pm Juan- Unless things are different in your country, only the post office can= deliver to a PO Box.=A0 I can send the socket via the mail but would rathe= r use FedEx or DHL which would need a street address.=A0 Please let me know= how you want it sent so I can get you back on the air.=A0 I've got it boxe= d up and ready to go otherwise. One possible temporary fix to your transmitter- move one of the PA sockets = to the defective modulator position and run with just one PA tube for now.= =A0 Run the transmitter at reduced power if necessary. Scott Todd =A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 =A0 From: jotape1960=20 =A0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 =A0 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:10 PM =A0 Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base =A0 Really? =A0 I'll thank you so much if you send me the socket (we called it "base", = hehehehe). =A0 My physical address is: =A0 JUAN JES=DAS PAREDES GUERRA, =A0 CASILLA POSTAL 689, =A0 CURIC=D3, REGI=D3N DEL MAULE, CHILE. =A0 By the way, "Casilla Postal" is the spanish equivalent to the english "= P.O. Box". =A0 Of course, you have to tell me the price of the socket and your physica= l address to let me send you the money by the Western Union Postal Order sy= stem. =A0 GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! =A0 Juan J. Paredes G. =A0 From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =A0 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: =A0 > =A0 > I can pull one from a scrapped 2.5K I have. Just let me know where to= send it =A0 >=20 =A0 > Scott Todd =A0 >=20 =A0 > ----- Original Message -----=20 =A0 > From: Powell E. Way III=20 =A0 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 =A0 > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 11:36 AM =A0 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base =A0 >=20 =A0 >=20 =A0 >=20 =A0 >=20 =A0 >=20 =A0 >=20 =A0 > Charlie Goodrich has McMartin stuff.=20 =A0 >=20 =A0 > Powell =A0 >=20 =A0 > NNNN=20 =A0 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net =A0 >=20 =A0 > --- On Fri, 7/3/09, jotape1960 wrote: =A0 >=20 =A0 > > From: jotape1960 =A0 > > Subject: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base =A0 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com =A0 > > Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 12:27 PM =A0 > > Hi Gang!!! =A0 > >=20 =A0 > > I need your help. =A0 > >=20 =A0 > > I need 1 base to the 4-1000A vacuum tube, because one of =A0 > > "my" McMartin TX is gone (one of the filament connectors is =A0 > > broken). =A0 > >=20 =A0 > > Any idea, please let me know. =A0 > >=20 =A0 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! =A0 > >=20 =A0 > >=20 =A0 > > Juan J. 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Descarga gratis el nuevo Internet Explorer 8.=20 http://downloads.yahoo.com/ieak8/?l=3De1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 15 02:06:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57534 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 09:06:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2009 09:06:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m19.mx.aol.com) (64.12.137.11) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 09:06:14 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-m19.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a5d9bf8c7; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:06:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d67.48a2f97d (14501) for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:05:55 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=OwEi4iwD5YaxpM82SLnwinOa9IWegApgOjVoOBEto9awGNyQKR0fm0loonDJpBJc X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those field measurements are for the standard 1 kW input. Yes, KFBK puts a full 50kW into their Franklins. Their antenna system is exotic to say the least, right down to the open wire transmission line and tuning "bazooka". KFBK has the highest field strength of any AM broadcast station in the United States. Given the orientation of their two principal lobes, I have no doubt they put a reliable signal across both the Canadian and Mexican borders at night. The interesting thing about their antenna system is there is no ground system nor base insulators. In principal, you could walk right up and touch the tower base at full power input. The other nice feature is the vertical center of radiation is 1/2 wave above the base, unlike the more common 1/4 wave tower where the center of radiation is at the base. Aside from the increased range from the elevated COR, it keeps personnel from getting their brains cooked at ground level near the towers. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 15 02:15:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37179 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 09:15:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2009 09:15:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 09:15:45 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imo-m26.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a5d9d8f17; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:12:47 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c7d.4f92f839 (14501) for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:14:55 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.139 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=plzUoLW84JCCP3rCHrhlHN7IOXmTrtSom4YWENb_b1QEymdcyWDQPwbja8zhhwi8 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/14/2009 10:17:50 AM Central Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Wow - now a crystal radio would work with that - imagine 3 volts in the > air at a half mile away Actually that is the average for 1 kilowatt of power. KFBK operates at 50 kW of power, so the average field at 1 km is around 22 VOLTS/m. At the center of the lobes, that rises to 35 V/m. With that kind of field, you most likely don't need any radio, crystal or otherwise. Just the fillings in your teeth would probably suffice. I think KFBK did run AM stereo at one time before they changed their format to talk radio. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Wed Jul 15 13:07:23 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75935 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 20:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2009 20:07:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 20:07:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1247688438; bh=VycpiWOYSDifdYyi1zLlNvN5Am4ZA8eEvOAVKw65SXE=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Up9cGSuHHCXhkpOoftP43U1zkWjNwonsfh8sxk0apQvq0/ka8xHMwSIC3Q2BWi0tPbCegdZCZDnqsFHFuuL6JGU01t7SkV/26sC/quaIIsso4iDPV5v6jru9Y6mPrhpR Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2009 20:07:18 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2009 20:07:18 -0000 Date: 15 Jul 2009 20:07:16 -0000 Message-ID: <1247688436.17112.36173.w6@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /CPR-Urban.mp3 Uploaded by : ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Description : Sample of my part 15 in ISB Stereo playing urban You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/CPR-Urban.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/general.htmlfiles Regards, ICURAPossum_Hunter2 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Jul 15 13:13:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30442 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 20:13:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2009 20:13:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f207.google.com) (209.85.217.207) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 20:13:25 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gx0-f207.google.com with SMTP id 3so6492606gxk.14 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:13:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.88.17 with SMTP id l17mr2427256agb.31.1247688805175; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from kj4hyd4cbb84aa ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm934275aga.4.2009.07.15.13.13.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <1247688436.17112.36173.w6@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:13:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "KJ4HYD" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=-lXCfLDvC9oF883BKFyLBEqYsE8EZIdF01p_NVMTPjsqZXq059v7NbvJ-i5e6w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 OK, by request: I uploaded an audio sample of my ISB Part 15 playing Urban. Audio Processing is a Kahn Good-N-Loud RX is a Kenwood KRC-939 Recorded from the Line Outs to a Compaq Presario 1800 running Cool Edit 2.0 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/CPR-Urban.mp3 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jul 15 16:08:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10112 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 23:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2009 23:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 23:08:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66253 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jul 2009 23:08:22 -0000 Message-ID: <424725.64863.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UUXBXLsVM1nct4wkRPe9E_2jShDuhg0c.WoM5xOcy89f6v8SgwpkkDVkk7QHB4ddDoX7G9TZKDDcYatGe71J8yY8MvVBraA2qvySaB7Y8tAn44v6cc_DaWvDOb0mBufMB4GalTSLpqT7SK0dCV9LE1E5kSlQGNhnPC7AL0MrTHkB8lzP0uetoEK0pqv1WZ.ftv_6_eF65t5GVlPlP73SqIpEXWtZk0Q5IM63iv7BvrfW_3RPEIoiVdYvXPpX6IEDzBywKYEhBjcWqdCSfTpb3nihuDDXiVsZKLsHLBu2gmy248tgeW1QBcSJjcDCiyuPL9RTv62LIg.zkvovhb9J1c3eRZwUwiTSCU29YdgORcHYKljoyM6JwA-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:08:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:08:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=qrHXAWey4nlluIVGO9HmfCiN5EcuvNRUG6-bzlIZx0Iqvg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Used to hear stories about farmers living near WLW when they were half a megawatt, hearing voices from the tin roofs on their barns, and from wire fences.Then there was the lady who heard XERA from her water heater...new kind of RF heating?G --- On Wed, 7/15/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:14 AM In a message dated 7/14/2009 10:17:50 AM Central Daylight Time, toledohamradio@ yahoo.com writes: > Wow - now a crystal radio would work with that - imagine 3 volts in the > air at a half mile away Actually that is the average for 1 kilowatt of power. KFBK operates at 50 kW of power, so the average field at 1 km is around 22 VOLTS/m. At the center of the lobes, that rises to 35 V/m. With that kind of field, you most likely don't need any radio, crystal or otherwise. Just the fillings in your teeth would probably suffice. I think KFBK did run AM stereo at one time before they changed their format to talk radio. Mike ************ ** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals. aol.com/articles /2009/02/ 18/longer- lives-through- relationships/ ?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Wed Jul 15 16:19:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83153 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2009 23:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2009 23:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2009 23:19:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2009 23:18:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.14] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2009 23:18:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:18:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <424725.64863.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=kvV-STHSeZZ1xLx7nzvkrDJWxNgbvRimJHBODOLBnyltz4e_vk0Lo3e3 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon In one electronics book that I read many years ago, the author stated that = he owned a "demodulator bathtub." His home was located 1/2 mile from the K= FI transmitter site. Some element in the plumbing vibrated in response to = the signal, allowing a person bathing in the tub to listen to KFI! --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Used to hear stories about farmers living near WLW when they were half a = megawatt, hearing voices from the tin roofs on their barns, and from wire f= ences.Then there was the lady who heard XERA from her water heater...new ki= nd of RF heating?G >=20 > --- On Wed, 7/15/09, mjgrant@... wrote: >=20 > From: mjgrant@... > Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:14 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > In a message dated 7/14/2009 10:17:50 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 >=20 > toledohamradio@ yahoo.com writes: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Wow - now a crystal radio would work with that - imagine 3 volts in the= =20 >=20 > > air at a half mile away >=20 >=20 >=20 > Actually that is the average for 1 kilowatt of power. KFBK operates at 5= 0=20 >=20 > kW of power, so the average field at 1 km is around 22 VOLTS/m. At the=20 >=20 > center of the lobes, that rises to 35 V/m. >=20 >=20 >=20 > With that kind of field, you most likely don't need any radio, crystal or= =20 >=20 > otherwise. Just the fillings in your teeth would probably suffice. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I think KFBK did run AM stereo at one time before they changed their form= at=20 >=20 > to talk radio. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************ ** >=20 > Can love help you live longer? Find out now.=20 >=20 > (http://personals. aol.com/articles /2009/02/ 18/longer- lives-through- r= elationships/ ?ncid=3Dem >=20 > lweuslove00000001) >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=09 >=20=09=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20=09 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 15 18:13:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90166 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 01:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 01:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 01:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a5e7ea63e6; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:13:10 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d25.536ae0d7 (39953) for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:13:05 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.138 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.38 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=VowYchtvbktybB0zt3gg3Q05qg5sTn0c00ZixCYaObxQzSvTgV8FSjtN5k_2NbEp X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/15/2009 6:08:53 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Used to hear stories about farmers living near WLW when they were half a > megawatt, hearing voices from the tin roofs on their barns, and from wire > fences.Then there was the lady who heard XERA from her water heater...new > kind of RF heating? Even today in Southern Arkansas, I occassional hear Larry Lujack doing Animal Stories on WLS out of Chicago in the morning when I am laying bed waiting to get up. It seems to come in the strongest around the end of the month when I run short of meds. Mike Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 15 18:28:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94382 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 01:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 01:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 01:28:12 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a5e81fe24; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:27:26 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c38.59ed3274 (39953) for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:27:22 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tYmeVAWLZP-OAJeD0OviF-xTanj7W_mCfMRqLedsMfUSGZMcR16hwECa0k-tyRcC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/15/2009 6:19:45 PM Central Daylight Time, alfredo_t74@hotmail.com writes: > In one electronics book that I read many years ago, the author stated > that he owned a "demodulator bathtub." His home was located 1/2 mile from the > KFI transmitter site. Some element in the plumbing vibrated in response to > the signal, allowing a person bathing in the tub to listen to KFI! > Great. If I had to listen to Laura Ingraham in tub while bathing, I'd probably through the hair dryer in with me. By the way, KFI uses a sectionalized antenna like a Franklin. It wasn't a Franklin because it wasn't a full wavelenth in height, which would have been around 1500 ft.. Instead, it was much shorter which sacrificed alot of efficiency. To get around the shortened height, they insulated the base to add a loading capacitor and used a top hat to electrically lengthen the structure. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 15 20:53:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71781 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 03:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 03:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 03:52:19 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a5ea3ea9d; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:52:10 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c94.4a247601 (29672) for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:52:43 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.202 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ojciLUh8-BJpzwiL0JNUv7lfuiUbvSMAvnL5aArRqO9JxO_EdsOo_Bpo-RCRXUz- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In addition to the antenna at KFBK, the McClatchy in-house engineering staff developed from scratch a more or less practical phase to amplitude transmitter design which RCA later commercialized as their "Ampliphase" transmitter line. Anyone who has worked with one of these beasts can attest they are/were transmitters that only an engineer could love (or hate). Although the concept dates back to the 30s in France, McClatchy was the first to implement the concept on a high power basis. It was a novel concept that came well before the technology was available to adequately implement it. You won't find that kind of engineering staff at any station I know of today. A owner willing to keep that number of highly skilled people on the payroll and fund their "blue sky" endeavors. Ironically, McClatchy sold KFBK to Cheap Channel whose management I am sure gutted that technical organization saying Clear Channel was in the broadcasting business (you could have fooled me) and not the broadcast engineering business. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 15 20:57:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44520 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 03:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 03:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d23.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.137) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 03:57:25 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a5ea4db155; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:56:11 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bed.448e2288 (29672) for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:56:42 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.137 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Hypothetical Range for a 100 mW Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Q9es8T7ytXdEWtgGaj2ZJOqhFPW5tMsHz9Zo2w9UH31qXLfLvxdwDmWEsCwI66SH X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/14/2009 3:17:28 PM Central Daylight Time, alfredo_t74@hotmail.com writes: > I have heard the groundwave signal on 1530 myself, from various places in > California, as well as the Gerlach, NV area; it has phenomenal coverage > for being that high on the dial! > Keep in mind, that area isn't the rich moist cornfields of Iowa and Illinois. That groundwave coverage is achieved in an area with low ground conductivity. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 00:46:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84975 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 07:45:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 07:45:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 07:45:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2009 07:44:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2009 07:44:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:44:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.242 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=dziI75iVQFR_dcNXZ6qsgcqNCRqJrmrrc6NfBPRl5PmQ4LIx1g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I can to prove it in my house (remember I live in the same building that ou= r McMartin BA-2.5K is working). Sometimes, when the tubes (which are the wa= ter heater ventilation, at the kitchen) are some loose, we can hear the bro= adcast audio so well. I wonder if some guy here can explain me this phenomenom. Is it a vibrating= issue? Is it a spark issue? Is it something else issue? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "alfredotorrejon" w= rote: > > In one electronics book that I read many years ago, the author stated tha= t he owned a "demodulator bathtub." His home was located 1/2 mile from the= KFI transmitter site. Some element in the plumbing vibrated in response t= o the signal, allowing a person bathing in the tub to listen to KFI! >=20 > --Alfredo >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > > > Used to hear stories about farmers living near WLW when they were half = a megawatt, hearing voices from the tin roofs on their barns, and from wire= fences.Then there was the lady who heard XERA from her water heater...new = kind of RF heating?G > >=20 > > --- On Wed, 7/15/09, mjgrant@ wrote: > >=20 > > From: mjgrant@ > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 5:14 AM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > In a message dated 7/14/2009 10:17:50 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 > >=20 > > toledohamradio@ yahoo.com writes: > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > > Wow - now a crystal radio would work with that - imagine 3 volts in t= he=20 > >=20 > > > air at a half mile away > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Actually that is the average for 1 kilowatt of power. KFBK operates at= 50=20 > >=20 > > kW of power, so the average field at 1 km is around 22 VOLTS/m. At the= =20 > >=20 > > center of the lobes, that rises to 35 V/m. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > With that kind of field, you most likely don't need any radio, crystal = or=20 > >=20 > > otherwise. Just the fillings in your teeth would probably suffice. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > I think KFBK did run AM stereo at one time before they changed their fo= rmat=20 > >=20 > > to talk radio. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > ************ ** > >=20 > > Can love help you live longer? Find out now.=20 > >=20 > > (http://personals. aol.com/articles /2009/02/ 18/longer- lives-through-= relationships/ ?ncid=3Dem > >=20 > > lweuslove00000001) > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20=09 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 00:50:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79848 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 07:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 07:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 07:50:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2009 07:50:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2009 07:50:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:50:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.242 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=7IxfkDQxPDfTD-u9GS94tO4oPkWOGKqqzKQPCHgW_1-Fja9nJw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 COOL!!! Very great sample of the ISB system. Just a curious: Which the carrier frecuency is? and What kind of antenna yo= u use? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "KJ4HYD" wrote: > > OK, by request: >=20 > I uploaded an audio sample of my ISB Part 15 playing Urban. >=20 > Audio Processing is a Kahn Good-N-Loud >=20 > RX is a Kenwood KRC-939 >=20 > Recorded from the Line Outs to a Compaq Presario 1800 running Cool Edit 2= .0 >=20 > > You can access this file at the URL: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/CPR-Urban.mp3=20 >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD > From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 16 05:09:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67442 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 12:08:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 12:08:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-d04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.42) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 12:08:54 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-d04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a5f18083a4; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:07:36 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bd0.580235ec (29673) for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:07:33 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.200 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.157.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=TM8zMnitCptOP72yx2KDbXl_h1rwwObeV30MUXrHTCcIVEl6Oo3fut1sqoYR_0Yg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Assuming one has the proper operator and station license, is CQUAM AM stereo legal for voice communications on any ham band? 1850 - 2000 khz? Thanks. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jul 16 07:32:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35034 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 14:32:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 14:32:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.246) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 14:32:16 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so78690ana.25 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:31:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.132.4 with SMTP id f4mr11791615and.109.1247754676494; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from kj4hyd4cbb84aa ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c9sm615988ana.4.2009.07.16.07.31.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:31:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.246 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "KJ4HYD" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=l8ajOSfPFLp92zxUV_9xU0CmRGPaX0GwD3WVicRZ3pcdhHPszQSbYIcvvfAI8A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "jotape1960" To: Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:50 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >Very great sample of the ISB system. Thanks! > >Just a curious: Which the carrier frecuency is? 1620 KHz, I have been playing with that freq since I was a little kid. > > and What kind of antenna you use? Legal Limit 9 foot tall copper water pipe. Blessed Be! 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jul 16 07:47:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70228 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 14:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 14:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f224.google.com) (209.85.217.224) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 14:46:53 -0000 X-Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so263620gxk.1 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:45:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.178.9 with SMTP id a9mr12075463anf.11.1247755552850; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from kj4hyd4cbb84aa ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d22sm799086and.5.2009.07.16.07.45.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:45:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "KJ4HYD" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ZfiU6I6-HvAQTeis46Fn21HBhdj9YqxcP2LsmhPVSNUcOtCkm2TZGfr5mZc5JQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:07 AM Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands > Assuming one has the proper operator and station license, is CQUAM AM > stereo legal for voice communications on any ham band? 1850 - 2000 khz? As long as it is compatible with standard AM, and does not exceed the bandwidth restrictions. It is A-OK! On the other hand, my "Slop Bucket Eliminator" just might be a gray area! LOL 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Jul 16 10:23:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97070 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 17:23:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 17:23:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 17:23:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2009 17:23:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2009 17:23:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:23:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=tek9nv1i3mJNC-gwnhbIdDGZOxRez0rf8dhV41FoLLVo X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq I've been doing AM stereo for years with an AM/FM system sort of like the o= ld Belar system. My friend has an ISB system that he puts on the air every = once in a while. There are some audio samples in the AM section of my web p= age at: http://www.wa2fnq.com=20 I also took WinDRM and ran it in to the FM side while running AM. I was abl= e to decode the WinDRM signal using my ICOM IC - 745. Kinda funky but does = that qualify as an IBOC signal. Err...=20 Ahh yes Kevin. Keep that SBE rig on the air. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "KJ4HYD" wrote: > >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 8:07 AM > Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands >=20 >=20 > > Assuming one has the proper operator and station license, is CQUAM AM > > stereo legal for voice communications on any ham band? 1850 - 2000 khz= ? >=20 > As long as it is compatible with standard AM, and does not exceed the=20 > bandwidth restrictions. It is A-OK! >=20 > On the other hand, my "Slop Bucket Eliminator" just might be a gray area!= =20 > LOL >=20 > 73, > Kevin in Upstate SC > KJ4HYD > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Jul 16 12:10:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17764 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 19:10:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 19:10:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 19:10:51 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so156574and.13 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:09:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.164.17 with SMTP id m17mr197082ane.29.1247771391663; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from kj4hyd4cbb84aa ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b37sm646706ana.13.2009.07.16.12.09.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:09:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.247 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "KJ4HYD" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=hfWMr-fjlzAATYQxX70P0JBKNxp3TQbNVzRPq7ZnrqwmOlPhEGeN8feid2lhQQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "wa2fnq" > Ahh yes Kevin. Keep that SBE rig on the air. Yes, it does come in VERY HANDY when we have to Douche 3885! It uses a 6146 that is the Oscilator, Modulator and Driver. It drives a Pair of 4-400Cs as Finals. My next project is a Solid State SBE. 73, Kevin in Upstate SC KJ4HYD CE WCKI, WQIZ From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Thu Jul 16 13:28:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35120 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2009 20:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2009 20:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2009 20:28:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2009 20:28:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2009 20:28:18 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:28:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dictator now in radio business X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=ie0-RRBB-8hljsbxwo-7g2p36c8RgNcxxt6jNHhEkhjzZW6nAvxkIvYs X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon El C-QUAM tiene un sonido muy bonito. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Government have controlled their airwaves since Marconi (or Tesla) invent= ed=20 > radio. If you think Chavez controls Venezula airwaves, you should have=20 > seen the United Kingdom, the oldest continuous democracy in the history o= f man,=20 > not many years ago. >=20 > If Hugo has figured out how to get people to listen to leftwing AM radio,= =20 > he needs to give Mark Green at Air America a call. >=20 > Here's the real question: What are Chavez's views on CQUAM? >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************** > Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals.=20 > (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=3Demlcntuslove00000003) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 16 17:40:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7569 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2009 00:39:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2009 00:39:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 00:39:59 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imo-m11.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a5fc809ec; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:38:33 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d4e.558f28fc (65098) for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:38:51 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.139 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=RwwZKXGaClZME5fk5AI_xsaNNc2Ohv9Gu8kYx6qqg9uyloOB4Hgb1s79OzR6CS5n X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/2009 9:48:17 AM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > As long as it is compatible with standard AM, and does not exceed the > bandwidth restrictions. It is A-OK! > It's strict broadcast standard Motorola CQUAM, so it is 100% AM compatible. Bandwidth with nothing but voice frequency with minimal (two mic) seperation should be comparable with normal AM. I didn't know if the subsonic pilot tone was legal. I read somewhere that 1850 to 1900 portion of the 160 meter band was reserved for wideband transmissions. Is the 1500 watt PEP limit output or input? A 375 watt full carrier AM signal has a sinusoidal PEP of 1500 watts. I can develop a carrier output of 400 watts using just a pair 6146B into 50 ohms with 750 volts at 600 mA input operating Class E. The old 1,000 watt DC plate input would be more advantageous. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 16 18:01:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5770 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2009 01:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2009 01:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 01:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6H1168X013284 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:01:06 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cff.5a3f1aa0 (65098) for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:01:09 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=QXoT4pTnxsERES5qdLm8lYpZSpQPUCdyG18R26yNJ25cDaj-yaU-9WB94HNd8Tf0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/16/2009 12:24:30 PM Central Daylight Time, wa2fnq@optonline.net writes: > I've been doing AM stereo for years with an AM/FM system sort of like the > old Belar system. My friend has an ISB system that he puts on the air > every once in a while. My ECL Engine exciter can't run above 2000 khz with full 10 bit resolution as 2 Ghz is the limit on the front end logic. I can burn a new set of proms to go to 8 Mhz with 8-bit resolution which should be good enough for voice. That should cover the 75m band. The 6146Bs are VHF tubes, so that shouldn't be a problem. The exciter can be locked onto WWVB during mid-continent dark path hours unless there are some local thunderstorms or the like. If you are interested in an experiment, I can get an ARRL license manual and code oscillator to get my license. I will also need to look around for a 80 meter beam. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 16 18:31:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96249 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2009 01:30:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2009 01:30:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 01:30:56 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imo-m26.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a5fd3bf206; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:28:31 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c5a.4e7297a3 (65098) for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:30:50 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.137 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=dsEXVV-InQj5gqB1BQ37C3pFcZZw7s7zPkHApQHK685Fw5kXc0qin8XzhTob42tZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I assume one of those Motorola based AMS convertors will work with a 455 khz communications receiver IF as well as just an ordinary broadcast band receiver. Right? Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 18:50:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62141 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2009 01:50:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2009 01:50:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 01:50:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13590 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2009 01:50:46 -0000 Message-ID: <477697.92972.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DC5zFC8VM1kEuCBobJWYkkEgpJbQNkyvgn2dnVtXPQefYD4qLbousJs_Fta2hWFcaKWu3PJcUQ79nqrA4YZKAcVbbCWBmf4BzgbcQoJ3OXUpCVECABa29FMxltqIemecV3anR9RAb22a0AldypxSBJmRDgW4NSG.hgbQx8J1FM2H.bgVQHp4YQGKQmnKJDBZww2ly0XFC0orKV5Yjf6c3vAyacB4_JeqBS5SJGOaZJbRZtUg6bnr3aIz_YvzECiIspks61Wn5kEZAViuxCE_WEVEPOtVNDew6D3tw.QRA5gCLiwwjvL.BwrBUhc139tpexIZBuZ3KrMCoWXH5al.HqpB_aOOlJp7QCj.8BabXRBpGTTn2ZaCqw-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:50:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:50:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=_qwoVN38FttZtzYvtMlw194EeCDj39Buejn_RLIcfPr2Ig X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There was a guy running PMX on one of the lower bands, had a website about = it.He used the L-R for reverb, I believe.Seems to me ISB would be easy for = anyone with two SSB rigs, just lock the osc. together?G --- On Thu, 7/16/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 8:07 AM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 Assuming one has the proper operator and station license,= is CQUAM AM=20 stereo legal for voice communications on any ham band? 1850 - 2000 khz? Thanks. Mike ************ ** Can love help you live longer? Find out now.=20 (http://personals. aol.com/articles /2009/02/ 18/longer- lives-through- rel= ationships/ ?ncid=3Dem lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jul 16 18:56:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88485 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2009 01:56:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2009 01:56:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 01:56:04 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN3-44a5fda1c388; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:55:40 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cb9.51889053 (65098) for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:55:46 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ihuVgPDw-xiPr4YhmutK7zt6QSPVEvP2-WcnvvF6L4FZxynaiLBCk8vMRPxkn5-E X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ham reverb? You've got to be kidding! On regular SSB it sounds like you're listening to the AFLAC duck most of the time. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 06:50:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73037 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2009 13:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2009 13:50:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 13:50:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2009 13:49:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2009 13:49:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:49:34 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Johnny Electron" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=AmxVrHM3KiJHcUWqf3bWQh2PSe24oodfD2He3s1mK7BmDXBB9Yunnhk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Sotiris sells a version of his APSiSYS C-QUAM AM Stereo transmitter to lice= nsed amateur radio operators that will work in the 160m ham band, so you ca= n go on the air with AM Stereo - just need the antenna tuner and tower! I = just need to convert my ham receiver to decode CQuam on 160 Meters first! Anybody out there have a C-QUAM board in a rig to decode the 160m band? 73's John From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jul 17 07:41:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14692 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2009 14:41:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2009 14:41:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 14:41:18 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6HEeZDC003676 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:40:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cb2.5a197f9f (39331) for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:40:29 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=b24Ppq2QDUm0ZK0cY52VOMNhh5cnL4NPQxNy033p5gaq_-UeB9qQBfrCMwh1VXQR X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is an inexpensive CQUAM decoder board that just takes the place of an existing receiver's detector at end of the IF string. I converted an older Heathkit "Hi Fi" tube AM tuner with one. I just bypassed the existing detector which I left in place to generate the AVC voltage and ran the IF into the cathode follower output amplifier using a lower mu tube for the greater bandwidth and to drive the input of the decoder board. There are tons of old tube ham and communications receivers on eBay that could be similarly modified. The nice thing about tubes is you don't have to butcher the unit. I could put the Heathkit in original condition in an hour or so. I don't know what the reliable range is for 160 or 75m. I can generate a full 1500 watts PEP. I can produce an exact frequency signal. I am just wondering if there would be anyone out there listening who could answer the CQ. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Jul 17 09:32:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39633 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2009 16:32:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2009 16:32:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 16:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail21.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.161]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFGBK2QAPQJQ4J for (sender ); Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:30:06 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD+zNwDPoSSyyWaHPcLvbA2g= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail21.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PMPFTLUR; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:29:37 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.25.34] by webmail21.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:28:57 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:28:57 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20090717.092857.7028.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2625117176 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.161|webmail21.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Minority Broadcasters Want Federal Aid X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=eeaBhPwXMRCBGFuctdwJfAOR0lPiX-PaxvL9cbEbkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Minority Broadcasters Want Federal Aid Representatives from a group of minority-owned broadcasting companies wrote= a letter to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner this week requesting feder= al aid to help them through the recession. The group, which includes the Na= tional Association of Black Owned Broadcasters, the Inner City Broadcasting= Coalition and the Spanish Broadcasting System, noted that even in good eco= nomic times they have a tough time accessing capital, but the recession cou= ld drive them into oblivion. The subtle suggestion here is that this group = believes they should always receive some form of taxpayer aid. This letter = follows another appeal to Geithner in May by House Democrats James Clyburn,= Barney Frank, Charles Rangel and Edolphus Towns. No word yet on what the m= inority broadcasters' stimulus amount may be, but they certainly have suppo= rters in all the right places.=20 From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Jul 17 09:58:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51222 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2009 16:58:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2009 16:58:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 16:58:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2009 16:58:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2009 16:58:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:58:20 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=vsKntBC9zSq9R0ndOBAzR3BCk7R1C55uC5JTT6--Q1yF X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Cool... everyone that can do it get on AM stereo. What I did to keep it easy is I have an old Gonset Super 6 converter ahead = of a Realistic TM - 152 and also loosley coupled to my Sony SRF A 100.=20 My friend Pete has built his own exciter to work ISB. Check it out at: http://www.broadcast-techniques.com/ I wish we had the old 1000 watt DC input rule. It's 1500 watts P.E.P. which= screws AM by limiting our maximum carrier output to 375 watts. And actually you can make reverb work for you on SSB. You just can't go nut= s with it but if you use just enough to fill the gaps between syllables it = will help in keeping the noise level down. But you have to use a really lig= ht touch. Operating from the bathroom would have much the same effect. The SBE rig sounds cool. I gotta find time to get my 4-400 back on the air.= The phase inverter in the audio driver has a problem and it's a pain in th= e butt to work on. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > There is an inexpensive CQUAM decoder board that just takes the place of = an=20 > existing receiver's detector at end of the IF string. I converted an old= er=20 > Heathkit "Hi Fi" tube AM tuner with one. I just bypassed the existing=20 > detector which I left in place to generate the AVC voltage and ran the IF= into=20 > the cathode follower output amplifier using a lower mu tube for the great= er=20 > bandwidth and to drive the input of the decoder board. >=20 > There are tons of old tube ham and communications receivers on eBay that= =20 > could be similarly modified. The nice thing about tubes is you don't hav= e to=20 > butcher the unit. I could put the Heathkit in original condition in an h= our=20 > or so.=20 >=20 > I don't know what the reliable range is for 160 or 75m. I can generate a= =20 > full 1500 watts PEP. I can produce an exact frequency signal. I am just= =20 > wondering if there would be anyone out there listening who could answer t= he CQ. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Can love help you live longer? Find out now.=20 > (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relati= onships/?ncid=3Dem > lweuslove00000001) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Fri Jul 17 13:54:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55523 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2009 20:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2009 20:54:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 20:54:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2009 20:54:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2009 20:54:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:54:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=2ZU8EwrE0Yqbzaphxt8EtDae44s_fJDzyM6QON4GriHoWbiGinKJ25XL X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Re: The range of 80m band signals... One weekend during the winter (it might have been Jan. 3, 2009), the propag= ation was really strong on 80 meters. I heard some California and Oregon H= AM operators talking to a guy in New Zealand! Although I could not reliabl= y copy what Gary (the New Zealand guy) was saying, I could reliably copy on= e of the California guys, and he was only transmitting 50W!! I am in north= west Oregon, and the receive setup I used was a Radio Shack DX-390 connecte= d to a longwire antenna. Later that night, I heard a Korean guy calling CQ= , and he had a reasonably strong signal with no fading. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > There is an inexpensive CQUAM decoder board that just takes the place of = an=20 > existing receiver's detector at end of the IF string. I converted an old= er=20 > Heathkit "Hi Fi" tube AM tuner with one. I just bypassed the existing=20 > detector which I left in place to generate the AVC voltage and ran the IF= into=20 > the cathode follower output amplifier using a lower mu tube for the great= er=20 > bandwidth and to drive the input of the decoder board. >=20 > There are tons of old tube ham and communications receivers on eBay that= =20 > could be similarly modified. The nice thing about tubes is you don't hav= e to=20 > butcher the unit. I could put the Heathkit in original condition in an h= our=20 > or so.=20 >=20 > I don't know what the reliable range is for 160 or 75m. I can generate a= =20 > full 1500 watts PEP. I can produce an exact frequency signal. I am just= =20 > wondering if there would be anyone out there listening who could answer t= he CQ. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Can love help you live longer? Find out now.=20 > (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relati= onships/?ncid=3Dem > lweuslove00000001) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 15:23:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1098 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2009 22:23:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2009 22:23:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2009 22:23:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22993 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2009 22:22:54 -0000 Message-ID: <852753.22341.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5vj5n5wVM1kmdqyBZ_.vT.vCn0ZcfUFcbKjpOtn0tllRbAHmEj3fxGTnhvgtsIpugtb32o6bUaZ1kDXra3wHe5SqqSs0.JGNKxgBMi1cFhJ8_pUwWm3BdDklVQyMGg4XGvufuM4mA3PV1L_KSpCvj5qADszq2w7iz3VdbyCZgcY_5slFKvmDaqquKKp_hPwVRIEEUlFWSI7h5so9WVwiZ4s6t4zpaKyk.phNife69nCtdD.fXxCQw63vVLswx2IXL9rncGccxph9HSH6kh77sIENhFvvbygGeITQceUHA7IIJs4WPJaponoRQN.VESw57_uOQWzyu.j62JlJyWaN1imtyaCj238MPvL_oeT982DnBX2FSVZfvg-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:22:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:22:54 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=tbgEOrV4OfqgzK1O_XEU46uIoDr4bri8PppibsXm0z0qSA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, I think it is a nasty habit they picked up from CBers. =A0Ever hear t= hose clowns on 80 meters at night? =A0Can't think of what they called thems= elves, but the occasional reverb was the NICEST thing they transmitted! (ca= n't repeat most of it here)G --- On Thu, 7/16/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 9:55 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 Ham reverb? You've got to be kidding! On regular SSB it sounds like you're listening to the AFLAC duck most of=20 the time. Mike ************ ** Can love help you live longer? Find out now.=20 (http://personals. aol.com/articles /2009/02/ 18/longer- lives-through- rel= ationships/ ?ncid=3Dem lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jul 17 17:49:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 357 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 00:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2009 00:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 00:48:58 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6I0moJC004110 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:48:51 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cfd.5bc957ef (39954) for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:48:49 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Reeq1_GgMo4wPKsxNwaBufPiPTE6j8B1vWQztXAruUWyQ8AsQk6-zX79z1IVC4YA X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just for the fun of it, I wired a 6J4 cathode follower onto the last IF of the 1941 Zenith 10A1. Unlike the Heathkit, the tube sockets on the 10A1 chassis are fragile and not readily replaceable, so I just used a 7-pin miniature socket and tie wrapped the tube with hold-down sticky pad. After some padding (the 10A1 has a monster output from the last IF) I was able to connect it to the CQUAM decoder board with a 50-ohm video patch cable. I am using the the decoder board output to drive a pair of amplifier computer speakers. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Jul 17 21:55:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78720 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 04:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2009 04:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 04:55:34 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6I4t0AY025234 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:55:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cb4.5a758781 (41812) for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:54:54 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tOTTXP_a89OAWijRjBtIfjtyF4M7jhfqUbxd3IP3aBqS1hlIGQwxOYofruzl1ADm X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the Zenith, I was able to tune to both the 160-meter and 75/80 meter bands. No one seems to use full carrier DSB. I am using only the "Wave Magnet" internal antenna. I see a Hallicrafters DX-99 on eBay. Anyone know much about this receiver. It looks 50s on the outside, but the tube lineup seems to be Pre-War. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Sat Jul 18 00:01:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38109 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 07:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2009 07:01:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 07:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2009 07:00:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2009 07:00:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:00:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.168.51.10 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=oVpOiKScHWkcNQGyQ9PZV1KMTiOA9cUKaA6ysGiGxmGTTlMbgOfj69Cf X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Have you tried 3870 kHz - 3885 kHz? On the west coast, I frequently hear A= M activity on 3870 kHz. In other parts of the country, 3875 kHz or 3880 kH= z may be more popular. 3885 kHz is the official AM calling frequency. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > On the Zenith, I was able to tune to both the 160-meter and 75/80 meter=20 > bands. No one seems to use full carrier DSB. I am using only the "Wave= =20 > Magnet" internal antenna. >=20 > I see a Hallicrafters DX-99 on eBay. Anyone know much about this receive= r.=20 > It looks 50s on the outside, but the tube lineup seems to be Pre-War. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Can love help you live longer? Find out now.=20 > (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relati= onships/?ncid=3Dem > lweuslove00000001) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 06:58:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96871 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 13:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2009 13:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 13:41:20 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2009 13:41:15 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.253] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2009 13:41:15 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2009 13:41:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 370728.58875.bm@omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 51710 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 13:41:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.4?) (big_h00pla@75.120.205.105 with plain) by smtp128.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 13:41:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: Npc667uswBBqERogKeUuME.0rzAvICQ- X-YMail-OSG: gaKn84gVM1kxRGhhGJr6vXLkNFbBiEVvFDxnI2sCbGlBT6jyv1HBjY2WobS.9xdaPB_UuvxVEXp442lFeANmYCMtz9tth7otQRsIKEY.1fE0yDNr1DwriI1yMNTt95qKTcytT0tp8Rq_t74tECxXZkzqmdL8ab5IYg4XuhynQmCgE3V_JlJnBw7KeMjOS03IsEXVN3PrY0LjyYWd67oUwsiKg6HzpXJ_WeIv2W_yO8l_MWGnC0K8XCnNnd9OXFC8151qD9WS5lGdC7ceNT_iT60T1t_3TTX2aaGN8AavyyVAZPY22jhnxxqzUqgDsXjUZnKqdE_hHi07CBB6p0fPJ68keAsO1rI3QjxP X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1247905062.3408.80609.m2@yahoogroups.com> References: <1247905062.3408.80609.m2@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:41:14 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Milbury's post has nothing to do with AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=H3kJyCtFu_w9nBkEqD6Q9jYKpK5JHH04dToyk2uD4UEnCwMdiw X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla Why do we have politics on this list? The post below has ZERO to do with AM Stereo. Kevin On Jul 18, 2009, at 3:17 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Minority Broadcasters Want Federal Aid > Posted by: "W6YN Don Milbury" w6yn@juno.com w6yn > Date: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:32 am ((PDT)) > > Minority Broadcasters Want Federal Aid > > Representatives from a group of minority-owned broadcasting > companies wrote a letter to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner > this week requesting federal aid to help them through the > recession. The group, which includes the National Association of > Black Owned Broadcasters, the Inner City Broadcasting Coalition and > the Spanish Broadcasting System, noted that even in good economic > times they have a tough time accessing capital, but the recession > could drive them into oblivion. The subtle suggestion here is that > this group believes they should always receive some form of > taxpayer aid. This letter follows another appeal to Geithner in May > by House Democrats James Clyburn, Barney Frank, Charles Rangel and > Edolphus Towns. No word yet on what the minority broadcasters' > stimulus amount may be, but they certainly have supporters in all > the right places. From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Jul 18 08:15:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47832 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 14:32:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2009 14:32:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s3.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.206) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 14:32:43 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W26 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s3.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:32:21 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:32:21 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <1247905062.3408.80609.m2@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2009 14:32:21.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[8FA344B0:01CA07B4] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Milbury's post has nothing to do with AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=2G9202B44zBF28Sc0pMI-AKTg31v_NzznSV50Gbv4bJOSKcO3Dos X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to agree with Kevin, this post has zero to do with AM Stereo. MTGC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: big_h00pla@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:41:14 -0500 Subject: {AMSF} Milbury's post has nothing to do with AM Stereo Why do we have politics on this list? The post below has ZERO to do with AM Stereo. Kevin On Jul 18, 2009, at 3:17 AM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Minority Broadcasters Want Federal Aid > Posted by: "W6YN Don Milbury" w6yn@juno.com w6yn > Date: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:32 am ((PDT)) > > Minority Broadcasters Want Federal Aid > > Representatives from a group of minority-owned broadcasting > companies wrote a letter to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner > this week requesting federal aid to help them through the > recession. The group, which includes the National Association of > Black Owned Broadcasters, the Inner City Broadcasting Coalition and > the Spanish Broadcasting System, noted that even in good economic > times they have a tough time accessing capital, but the recession > could drive them into oblivion. The subtle suggestion here is that > this group believes they should always receive some form of > taxpayer aid. This letter follows another appeal to Geithner in May > by House Democrats James Clyburn, Barney Frank, Charles Rangel and > Edolphus Towns. No word yet on what the minority broadcasters' > stimulus amount may be, but they certainly have supporters in all > the right places. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 08:54:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84631 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 15:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2009 15:49:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 15:49:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88620 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2009 15:48:34 -0000 Message-ID: <869736.88527.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aYWxY4EVM1mHas4twBSGf_NHgae8aMpHECLT.gzf5UlGjIfoQkooiublBFJ2ldi.xHZvuoEID4RzLQnE7zEgv13MdRPw8mCbOF2uhZzdsVkqylFGVrCP2etYC2.flEgVF0P_qXJqfWbswXfVCNj1sZcJUi1lpIARVldV6hAYoEosXSQOeNI2uEqHTwemGy0tb4BtcvMbTspKRK6jE_ix7x0p3qWB2Ucs6EIwrYXmA1iyjqCQ3f2WxG72Ka8x48SE4isy90_NV8IOw0Y.X9YEC._T.hHaRhlFGOeBUnNcBYam82J4wUgqNHD_OBbdxR.EK8TWW1TUZsHeGw-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:48:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 08:48:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=TSyB2_YRrrmCK5Of_HHIUk8plKqSgC_BP-dzllDXbaM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's a decent=A0single conversion general coverage receiver. Tuned RF stage= . This series of radios started out with the S-40 and ended with the SX-133= .=A0 The tube complement stayed the same through the SX-110 and the SX-130 = and SX-133 had more modern tubes. The output tube for the SX-130 is=A0 a VE= RY weird tube.=A0The SX-99 is heavy, and expect to replace ALL the paper ca= pacitors if=A0the radio is not already recapped. It's not hard, just a bit = time consuming. But then you get a=A0decent performing receiver.=20 Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ________________________________ I see a Hallicrafters DX-99 on eBay.=A0 Anyone know much about this receive= r.=20 It looks 50s on the outside, but the tube lineup seems to be Pre-War. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sat Jul 18 09:02:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95671 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 15:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2009 15:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 15:42:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2009 15:42:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2009 15:42:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:42:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=sIYvxazcQMB47xshZLOJ_hEhVx-daax6gusMvCg0_0pZ X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Summer time conditions are rough on 75 and 160 meters. Here in the northeas= t you'll find AM activity all the way down the phone part of the band. We'r= e on 3.710 @4:30 usally Saturdays but sometimes Sundays depending on what's= going on. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "alfredotorrejon" w= rote: > > Have you tried 3870 kHz - 3885 kHz? On the west coast, I frequently hear= AM activity on 3870 kHz. In other parts of the country, 3875 kHz or 3880 = kHz may be more popular. 3885 kHz is the official AM calling frequency. >=20 > --Alfredo >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@ wrote: > > > > On the Zenith, I was able to tune to both the 160-meter and 75/80 meter= =20 > > bands. No one seems to use full carrier DSB. I am using only the "Wav= e=20 > > Magnet" internal antenna. > >=20 > > I see a Hallicrafters DX-99 on eBay. Anyone know much about this recei= ver.=20 > > It looks 50s on the outside, but the tube lineup seems to be Pre-War. > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > > ************** > > Can love help you live longer? Find out now.=20 > > (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-rela= tionships/?ncid=3Dem > > lweuslove00000001) > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 18 09:28:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5611 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 16:23:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2009 16:23:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 16:23:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2009 16:23:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2009 16:23:09 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:23:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.30.70.22 From: "jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net" Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=PnsjjDIJOm1Dkm_3Xq_ZTrw3LnRlQpkutkaXPZckSpavjBwsR0DyHLZNn--UyFDtyJVvgRx4 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 7/15/2009 6:19:45 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 > alfredo_t74@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > In one electronics book that I read many years ago, the author stated=20 > > that he owned a "demodulator bathtub." His home was located 1/2 mile fr= om the=20 > > KFI transmitter site. Some element in the plumbing vibrated in response= to=20 > > the signal, allowing a person bathing in the tub to listen to KFI! > >=20 >=20 > Great. If I had to listen to Laura Ingraham in tub while bathing, I'd=20 > probably through the hair dryer in with me. >=20 > By the way, KFI uses a sectionalized antenna like a Franklin. It wasn't = a=20 > Franklin because it wasn't a full wavelenth in height, which would have b= een=20 > around 1500 ft.. Instead, it was much shorter which sacrificed alot of=20 > efficiency. To get around the shortened height, they insulated the base = to add=20 > a loading capacitor and used a top hat to electrically lengthen the=20 > structure. >=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > ************** > Can love help you live longer? Find out now.=20 > (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relati= onships/?ncid=3Dem > lweuslove00000001) >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Mike Is that there new ant. or there old ant.? Jim Smith From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jul 18 12:35:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90213 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 19:28:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2009 19:28:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 19:28:10 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6IJRef4003112 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:27:41 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d0b.51b0805b (65098) for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:27:47 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=QZzFPSRWqKO7F7zQj92DI7nMzyrYv270in3ASysh2_ejT4epA7nSv4ZZ_MbUJFmW X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info on the SX-99. Those metal can tubes can still be had. That's what the Zenith uses. To work with the CQUAM adapter, the receiver would need to have a 455 khz IF. I saw some real boat anchor military recievers, but they're pricey. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jul 18 15:07:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93142 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 19:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2009 19:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d22.mx.aol.com) (205.188.144.208) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 19:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a621f49f0; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:15:21 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c3e.5123e6ce (65098) for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:15:24 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.144.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=d6HrgM0ZZvZq4Tgos0yQObpCZC8HbqUFI4VQtSANT6seXLdtuBStvkAg5Des1iXj X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/18/2009 11:28:47 AM Central Daylight Time, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net writes: > Hi Mike Is that there new ant. or there old ant.? Jim Smith > That's the old antenna. The FCC shows the old sectionalized tower is still registered to KFI and a new standard tower, just a smidge under halfwave, hasn't been updated with its registration number. You will note due to poor ground conditions at the tower site, the KFI antenna only produces 375 mV/m at 1 km with 1 kW of power whereas its bango-picking country cousin WSM in Nashville just a notch up on the dial at 650 khz gets 396 mV/m out of their 30s era Blaw Knox "Diamond". I should note it was and is a common practice not to design a tower that is exactly a quarter or half wavelength. Theory suggests it should be as that yields a purely resistive load impedance. As a practical matter, it is not possible to design a tower exactly the ideal *electrical height" due to propagation speeds in the tower material and effectiveness of the ground system counterpoise. The tower ends up either being too short or high with either an unintended capacitive or inductive reactive component requiring either an inductor or capacitor to cancel. By intentionally designing the tower either a smidge too long or short, it is assured any reactance will be either capacitive or inductive by design so that a tuning inductor or capacitor can be incorporated as the first element in the ATU to make it "tunable". Say for example the antenna muses smile upon you and your tower is perfectly resistive when it is built. Great. When you measure the base impedance a year later, you find your halfwave tower has "grown" electrically and now has a capacitive component. You don't have a compensating inductor in the ATU, so you have to add one. The following year, the tower has electrically shrunk where it is now slightly inductive. You will need a compensating capacitor, not the inductor you added the year before. What a pain! However, if the tower was slightly shorter than a half wave by design, it would always be inductive. Sometimes more when it got shorter, sometimes less when it got longer approaching true half wave, but always inductive. You incorporate a variable capacitor in the ATU to which can always be used to cancel the reactance. Viola! The networks in some ATUs can accommodate either inductive or capacitive reactance as well as a variable resistive component. Other approaches, such as what WSM originally did, was to actually "trim" the physical tower height. The Blaw Know Diamond is essentially two quarter wave free standing towers stacked base to base and guyed in the middle. As with most free standing towers, there were a masts atop the tower sections. On the lower tower, which faces downward, the mast which supported the tower allowed a single base insulator. On the top, the mast was "pruned" to make the antenna an exact electrical halfwave. Unfortunately, towers have a way of changing their electrical length over time and changing ground conditions making that tuning method somewhat impractical. You will note WSM's tower is about 10 degrees electrically longer than halfwave so it can be electrically rather than physically tuned nowadays. At higher frequencies, the old Blaw Knox Diamond design would seem ideal for a Franklin by using regular base insulators to seperate the two sections in the middle. However, these towers were built in the middle of the Great Depression when labor and materials were cheap. They wouldn't be economically feasible anymore. However, once built, they seem to last and work well. In addition to WSM, WLW still has theirs. WHO replaced theirs with a with a sectionalized Franklin-like (it's not 180 over 180 so it is not a true Franklin) tower which yeilds 472 mV/m, which is alot more than effective than a simple halfwave tower. At 1040 khz, the additional tower height required was practical. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Jul 18 15:15:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49759 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 19:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2009 19:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m26.mail.aol.com) (64.12.137.7) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 19:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imo-m26.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a6220f1346; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:22:25 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c49.3d9aa649 (65098) for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:24:43 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.137.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: What has happend to WLS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=N-B-n44N2S3WUc07gTNawpm4MD6uBwhk2_A1fGqDduoef6xm-CJbY92JD6W03-LE X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Twenty five years ago, WLS came in like a local station here in LA (lower Arkansas). It was easily listenable even in Miami at night. For the past several nights, it isn't even audible on 890. There is a Spanish language station. Not that I listen to Hannity or Savage, but I would like to try out my converted Zenith on an over the air AMS signal. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 15:56:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91221 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2009 21:56:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2009 21:56:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2009 21:56:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12853 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2009 21:55:02 -0000 Message-ID: <826558.12275.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: LIiI1HkVM1nI.ZOZMEdXKH3Gd08dGTmBTSbhGt62Tsv7e1EdQq7oxGIHQxfyiCBQHUshf0fBfpLFRTDshvjAz3NbjXWsUu9ZPYOqzDiof5JR3X5c3GithJCIOpepwzNFGLx7ZyshS5FTXFKlFfh0e4O_D_4qOzjM6Be__7wcSlNyleCH.V6Sk0guBHZJegeh649kNJZCfZL82ABM7Cl.Xk1KQC9MvFOkAAy3OV1wFsbg2UtnVnFLb6EJojuKbZbYx1nd2igriUncAi928UJiC1PKaODa0RPrCHC5ZkkO9fR2JSJIbGMOhsnkWmwO1e7fMWr.9VPryE_7kI_9mg-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:55:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:55:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: SX-99 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=btM905VNYvJTYfKf-YcJdFjjDONPQu6YDY4CsuP66YQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It has 455 kiloCYCLES=A0 IF.=A0=20 Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ________________________________ From: "mjgrant@aol.com" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:27:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo on Ham Bands Thanks for the info on the SX-99.=A0 Those metal can tubes can still be had= .=A0=20 That's what the Zenith uses. To work with the CQUAM adapter, the receiver would need to have a 455 khz=20 IF. I saw some real boat anchor military recievers, but they're pricey. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jul 18 17:57:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71436 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2009 00:56:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2009 00:56:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2009 00:56:56 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.181] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090718195628101604400010.0) with SMTP id <20090718195628101604400010> for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:56:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009401ca080c$21ff7520$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:56:28 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=S9rJZ8YVKgi5nPBLYBvBL2XzUYZfZxlZUt3YseqOMr-UJkkqyPdF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Got your tube socket out on Friday. Went to FedEx on Thursday and they wanted almost $79 to ship it. The incredibly high price was due to export tarriffs. So the next day I went to the post office and shipped it out there. I marked it as a gift so there was no tarriff as such, so it only cost a bit under $9. FedEx would have been faster, but I didn't want to pay that much and I'm sure you didn't either. Please let me know when it arrives. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jul 18 18:30:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52665 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2009 01:30:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2009 01:30:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2009 01:30:18 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.181] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090718202919101975100010.0) with SMTP id <20090718202919101975100010> for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:29:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010c01ca0810$b909b300$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:29:19 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=SPR-4UjsYaBtSK1CR3nQSOO-aAWvA9dB7LcXTrQHYxbzkKqdNZfD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is caused when a piece of metal is acting as an antenna, detector and speaker all at once. Likely you'll find one of the pipes has a slightly corroded joint which acts as the detector. The current flows one way and the current produces a small magnetic field which varies with the modulation causing it to vibrate and act like a speaker. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:46 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} (unknown) I can to prove it in my house (remember I live in the same building that our McMartin BA-2.5K is working). Sometimes, when the tubes (which are the water heater ventilation, at the kitchen) are some loose, we can hear the broadcast audio so well. I wonder if some guy here can explain me this phenomenom. Is it a vibrating issue? Is it a spark issue? Is it something else issue? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Jul 18 18:34:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65131 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2009 01:34:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2009 01:34:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2009 01:34:37 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.181] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090718203351102439600010.0) with SMTP id <20090718203351102439600010> for ; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:33:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <013201ca0811$5ac35f20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:33:51 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} What has happend to WLS? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=jxQsawFT3_C03nQSzJtScam6J1uyKEcpK9XwjZdc97FBK-Csw5lH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Savage is on WIND, not WLS. Anyhoo, I know what you're talking about. I think a lot of that has to do with the aging tower and ground system, plus I suspect there's a lot of population growth around the site that wasn't there when the signal was stronger. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: {AMSF} What has happend to WLS? Twenty five years ago, WLS came in like a local station here in LA (lower Arkansas). It was easily listenable even in Miami at night. For the past several nights, it isn't even audible on 890. There is a Spanish language station. Not that I listen to Hannity or Savage, but I would like to try out my converted Zenith on an over the air AMS signal. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Jul 18 21:28:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24509 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2009 04:28:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2009 04:28:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.245) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2009 04:28:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78804 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2009 04:18:01 -0000 Message-ID: <753745.77157.qm@web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qMSOEQ8VM1nMjt9xL1bfltC1rG7FOn2GOFvMgOYe9TftTU6X3tUJYvtjtwSdOnh2qq1kX0dHY_ohFxgUF.pmxCzxf0.xqvtoz.WxltH9tAviMZGNXWmezOeBqqesuIxUM9S9Zq3kMjrVB3RQ1MhzixJOuigbjzGRboByFlooq8B9FPe.QZ1LHftxJJBawlAY4A3ffO3YoolwQluSe7mxm5T_z7qBNmlHtVGxjVNeAYEbehaugFV0QIYd6cB21BDbyV7kbA5PmaelY5dFgrgEsXKvjQWF7FvGOhJeRNwsWVcxxfPuBRpJ2mbokFbc23qECXtPbGQylWHKp_QtuGmdLZITk8CfC8J4O0.Be4ervjWzq61neF0- X-Received: from [201.246.51.37] by web54110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:18:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.4.17 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:18:01 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.245 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jota Pe Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=zO1XNqovZ6uZAhJgVvT6BabUhqAz2DjvHHl6qvT4yABNgVqQYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi!!! =A0 Thank you so much for your time and gift!!! =A0 I wonder why that high price to deliver it to me??? =A0 I'll write you when it arrives. =A0 By the way (it is a question due to my ignorance about some deep technical = issues), I wonder if you can light me about how to connect the RF Output me= ter of the McMartin BA-2.5K. It has never worked because it has never been = connected to anything (at the top of the TX the wires arrive to=A0one panne= l but not connected to any). I guess I need some kind of circuit here, but = I don't have any idea about. Please, help me about this!!! =A0 GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! =A0 =A0 Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- El s=E1b 18-jul-09, scottn0bst@usfamily.net e= scribi=F3: De: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Asunto: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A Vacuum Tube Base A: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fecha: s=E1bado, 18 julio, 2009, 9:56 pm Juan, Got your tube socket out on Friday.=A0 Went to FedEx on Thursday and they w= anted almost $79 to ship it.=A0 The incredibly high price was due to export= tarriffs.=A0 So the next day I went to the post office and shipped it out = there.=A0 I marked it as a gift so there was no tarriff as such, so it only= cost a bit under $9.=A0 FedEx would have been faster, but I didn't want to= pay that much and I'm sure you didn't either.=A0 Please let me know when i= t arrives. 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Descarga gratis el nuevo Internet Explorer 8.=20 http://downloads.yahoo.com/ieak8/?l=3De1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 19 03:42:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9514 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2009 10:42:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2009 10:42:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.147) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2009 10:42:40 -0000 X-Received: from [209.191.108.96] by n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2009 10:42:39 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.72] by t3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2009 10:42:38 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2009 10:42:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 953389.3071.bm@omp424.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 43335 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2009 10:42:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO z2s0f1) (jimsmith95650@68.72.219.181 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2009 10:42:36 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eEZKiCYVM1n9jqsJIGmoI4J9QrpyfDyhK9JPzP3AYsgxXMoKX_TAy.D4xIr57q.W8MjWtwxTfh4rnIvt109p.FXVlM01YpOsFCqM9TG3XZZsN7dhzRFTSIiPHw6mjW3H9Rr329z6S8rFYnk1mpydGFhGSf.G6EdnfojaAZEYWWy_iIxbiPY1sQ37JShrtPmjCpQ.fU.CEmnwXT2M7hQ9GCNLiYDikS5AMRUG3aqnHxo8cZQVqSlxaFLEPPbNSPRO1eplvRJ3hZQ.0kzn9VPktFw2eIEM14sotuK1fMmFwQX2AmjGldIReMR1uj00Ew-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000001ca085e$a81cfae0$5ce8fea9@z2s0f1> To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <00cc01ca0422$9e0f9160$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:35:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dear Mr. Chuff X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=hxfOAkLwa9Q0_MvL5QLGMn0ZBTpLAyKVeF1nHlfi-hYbILRqbWkaZgN0uXHff2yoJtiap_Za X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Scott I will tell what. I will pick a freq. and then i will send you a money order and you can send me one.. Thanks Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dear Mr. Chuff Actually the frequency needs to be 4x, not 2x carrier. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Dear Mr. Chuff Jim, As I understand it, you can just buy a 5V 8-pin DIP crystal oscillator at TWICE the required frequency from Digikey. I don't think there are any tuned circuits in the design. Also, I believe it is Chris Cuff, no Chuff. One sure fire way to hear from him is post some premium AM Stereo Walkman on eBay. Mike ************** Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sun Jul 19 17:15:43 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 66844 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2009 00:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2009 00:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2009 00:15:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1248048879; bh=RdTgEiepmCNrHn3DYic0JEuryYbqiUC2UpnX7BHsntY=; h=Received:Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vPZZ78yqOA1/7pjuWg97MVOzZWD8DDLsJH/j8XagcYcCRoPitefsmujwM/eNROssyQS6B9tBjM51Az0f0FX4MK7gbWY4NlWDVZ6EQC3z8Vi6RTmFHOUdML/J+o+UfOp0 Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2009 00:14:39 -0000 Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2009 00:14:39 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.13] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2009 00:14:39 -0000 Date: 20 Jul 2009 00:14:38 -0000 Message-ID: <1248048878.958.84903.w10@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /Output Mosfet Voltage.pdf Uploaded by : grant_at_hardscrapple Description : Voltage from Output Mosfet Drain You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/Output%20Mosfet%20Voltage.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/general.htmlfiles Regards, grant_at_hardscrapple From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jul 19 18:20:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70748 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2009 01:20:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2009 01:20:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2009 01:20:40 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6K1K0DR025146 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:20:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bf9.635e405c (39330) for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:19:59 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: MosFet Output Phase to Amplitude AM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Qn96AQeaifRC8R2S95yiwQGk11ttBqykJaHIfASld4ppKPc0zI29jKQC2bDqU5mv X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The high speed power mosfet transistor I was waiting on arrived yesterday. I got the output section put together and was able to get some scope measurements before the loading doorknob capacitor on the output shattered. Due to low line voltage, my 1200 volt power supply could only put out about 1170 volts under a 850 mA load which yielded an input power of around 995 watts. At this input, the unmodulated power output was around 908 watts yielding about 91% efficiency. I had gotten a higher efficiency at the start, but the apparent drop was due to the loading capacitor in the output dissipating power which caused it to eventually fail. I used 10 kilohertz audio for the modulation tests as it allowed for both the envelope and 1,000 khz carrier to be seen. The transmitter handles the 10 khz with ease. It rolls off about 1dB at 20 khz with the anti-aliasing filter disabled. It's direct coupled for carrier control, so the low end is flat all the way to DC. I ran tests at 0%, 50%, 100%, and 125% modulation. Note the carrier reversal which occurs at greater than 100% negative modulation. The signal simply becomes a DSB reduced carrier signal with the same occupied bandwidth. No splatter. Not flattopping. No pinchoff. I measured a PEP output under supermodulation of around 9200 watts into 50 ohms. The capacitor failed before I could do any distortion measurements, but the output looks pretty clean just from the scope readings. All the files have been uploaded in a folder in the Files section. I haven't gotten around to burning some 8-bit audio proms for 75/80m and I don't have the RF components for the final stage at that frequency as yet. Mike ************** Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=em lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 16:54:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77368 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2009 23:54:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2009 23:54:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2009 23:54:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78574 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2009 23:53:36 -0000 Message-ID: <483534.75547.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: altffXwVM1mc7tHm0QsHaDPPblN9FJ8p0YAEovdGDIDpFedi5D1Utpj8gBSjn0qLOW8KwArBjC_.xsSUqXQPa5E4HmPnH5.r3cP4nTsEieeJuMoTY.Zxf52cDHeNF63_0ql8eMEpPou22Oup72xblWyy41OBPFqOVI_c_ApbcJOK8f1hzM52maFL8jGSfGWfVod_oviVgebGhscNTtlZ3j5eoroWGLTdCUgHidgwOhXjPuwB3BfYJvP7BN21fcGZ4uc_uhug.bRS7mKDzoCW77HNaDnt1d3cM3z0cYFGDynMPE2.3qrFd97ycgY71NqccpwQkL2iHlDGJ6K0ZOrn0INL_Y3aaZUgpGwjSi4hlzUpL3h6anpD9g-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:53:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:53:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} MosFet Output Phase to Amplitude AM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=4OBkPk85vdQJWxhgUxz90d32gYT28FYCFEdp1K4kWQMEPw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A solid-state Ampliphase, eh? =A0Bravo! =A0Now, tell me, is it possible to = make a solid-stateDoherty, maybe a wee model of the 317-C and the like?BTW,= are you going over the air with this baby? =A0Tell me the kHz, I love a DX= challenge,and the distance between us certainly provides that!George=A0 --- On Sun, 7/19/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: {AMSF} MosFet Output Phase to Amplitude AM Transmitter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 9:19 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 The high speed power mosfet transistor I was waiting on a= rrived yesterday.=20=20 I got the output section put together and was able to get some scope=20 measurements before the loading doorknob capacitor on the output shattered. Due to low line voltage, my 1200 volt power supply could only put out about= =20 1170 volts under a 850 mA load which yielded an input power of around 995=20 watts. At this input, the unmodulated power output was around 908 watts=20 yielding about 91% efficiency. I had gotten a higher efficiency at the sta= rt,=20 but the apparent drop was due to the loading capacitor in the output=20 dissipating power which caused it to eventually fail. I used 10 kilohertz audio for the modulation tests as it allowed for both=20 the envelope and 1,000 khz carrier to be seen. The transmitter handles the= =20 10 khz with ease. It rolls off about 1dB at 20 khz with the anti-aliasing= =20 filter disabled. It's direct coupled for carrier control, so the low end i= s=20 flat all the way to DC. I ran tests at 0%, 50%, 100%, and 125% modulation.= =20=20 Note the carrier reversal which occurs at greater than 100% negative=20 modulation. The signal simply becomes a DSB reduced carrier signal with th= e same=20 occupied bandwidth. No splatter. Not flattopping. No pinchoff. I measur= ed=20 a PEP output under supermodulation of around 9200 watts into 50 ohms. The capacitor failed before I could do any distortion measurements, but the= =20 output looks pretty clean just from the scope readings. All the files have been uploaded in a folder in the Files section. I haven't gotten around to burning some 8-bit audio proms for 75/80m and I= =20 don't have the RF components for the final stage at that frequency as yet. Mike ************ ** Can love help you live longer? Find out now.=20 (http://personals. aol.com/articles /2009/02/ 18/longer- lives-through- rel= ationships/ ?ncid=3Dem lweuslove00000001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 21:16:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94456 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2009 04:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2009 04:15:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 04:15:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2009 04:15:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2009 04:15:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:15:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.180 From: "jotape1960" Subject: 4-1000A rear behaviour X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=H3WGbNJriQJUp4xAyAxr3NHLqzA-c4ONxE3lcFGfQUSg6bQ4lA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody knows something about this: one of the 4-1000A vacuum = tubes, in "my" McMartin BA-2.5K, has a faint (but noticeable) visible blue = gas inside the glass. We can see it when we put on the filament and it is m= ore noticeable with the plate on. Is it normal? Dangerous? Wrong? ??? Thanks for your time!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 21:18:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1311 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2009 04:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2009 04:18:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 04:18:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2009 04:17:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2009 04:17:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:17:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.180 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=kZJoLCaR3RsEKcOmcXAvw5BqJkLE7cK_-IxoE-ePhMwLPZDlWw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Does somebody know/have the schematic diagram (electronic circuit) of the H= eathkit AJ-30 tuner? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jul 20 23:11:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11346 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2009 06:11:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2009 06:11:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 06:11:07 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imo-m11.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a655bc2152; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:10:10 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c09.6495f793 (65098) for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:10:29 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.199 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} MosFet Output Phase to Amplitude AM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=sg3nif6-F1qBNw2vwdOAkeCYQmOkAPjId1Y913O2vUUxRQPPA-l38gq6OKFyTwt0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, the project started out as building, or attempting to build, a modern exciter for a 5kW tube RCA Ampliphase using state of the art components. The exciter output, when put through a tuned matching network, is fully Part 15 compliant by itself. The question was the feasibility of using its digital outputs to drive tubes in "switchmode". I experimented around with some 6146b tubes I had for an audio project and it worked well. I already had the power supply components from the audio amplifier project. I wanted to try it out on the air (without going to jail) and the idea of trying it on the ham bands came to mind. Unfortunately, no one with the requisite receiving and transmitting equipment lives anywhere close. So more than hundred or so watts is going to be necessary. Unfortunately, I didn't have any higher power transmitter tubes nor a HV power supply to go with them. So I explored the idea of some high voltage mosfets designed for 1 Mhz inverter service. I had a 2.5kW 480/240 to 240/120 isolation transformer I reclaimed from the scrap metal bin of a former employer which I use for my workbench. I restrapped transformer for 240 to two 240 volt windings and used some large 450 volt computer grade electrolytic capacitors and rectifiers I had from my audio amp project to use a no longer needed 240 volt room air conditioner outlet to feed two stacked fullwave voltage doublers (a quadrupler). I was able to get 1170 volts output at 850 milliamperes which I "regulated" with a Variac (really, namebrand Superior Electric). With 128 degrees of phase offset, I adjusted the supply voltage to get as close as I could to 1,000 watt DC input without modulation. I could only run the unit for a couple of minutes even with the Cantenna sitting in a dishpan of ice. The first measurement was 960 watts output. The second measurement was on 945 watts. On the third measurement it was down to 935 watts and I could see the output voltage deteriorating and could smell something getting hot. I thought it was just the oil in the Cantenna. At just below 910 watts, the 10,000 pF doorknob capacitor broke open and arced. I found a suitable replacement at a surplus house and am waiting for it to arrive. The transmitter as is can cover almost all the entire 160m band. The limitation is the carrier frequency is 1024th of the system oscillator which can run a maximum of 2 Ghz putting the highest carrier frequency at 1953 khz. Than more than covers the full AM band which was intended. The significance of the 1024 is the excitor uses 10-bit audio. The phase shift between the two phases (and phase modulate the pair for CQUAM) is achieved by time displacement preloading 10-bit ECL counters running at the system clock rate. 10 bits is 1024. Unlike the original RCA excitor, there is no pre-distorter or overall audio feedback. The ECL engine calculates two precise phase solutions for the exact amplitude and phase required in accordance with the defining CQUAM equation for two (L and R) 12-bit audio "words". The signal paths are identical, so there is no delay or phasing problem associated with seperate amplitude and phase paths. Like the RCA original, the output can be truly supermodulated without splatter due to the ability to do carrier reversal at greater than 100% negative modulation. There were once many Ampliphase transmitters around, many using solid state or easily converted to solid state rectifiers. The ECL excitor needs only a solid state interface to directly drive the control grids of the largest power tubes. So with just the finals, output, and power supply sections of an old Ampliphase, in principle, one would could produce a signal easily comparable to any new transmitter on the market at fraction of the cost. Efficiency would be comparable to a fully solid state transmitter with the exception of the filament currents of the finals which isn't all that much. There is no tuning or tweaking in the excitor. It is self-correcting and rock solid. To get to the 75 or 80m band, I need to reburn some proms to the rescale the phase outputs to 8-bits. That will increase the maximum carrier frequency to 1/256th. of the system clock or 7182.5 khz. I don't have the tuning components for the output nor do I know how much the mosfet efficiency is going to fall off. Each one is rated at 200 watts, but that is with an ideal heatsink. Is regular RG-8 good for 1 kW? I assume transmitting the 25hz phase modulated pilot tone is legal on ham bands. I will have to back the input power down so that the peaks hit 1,500 watts instead of over 9,000 watts as they would with a 1kW DC input. Now I need to find a decent antenna. Gosh, it would terrific to try out the 10-bit version at 1,700 khz with a full kilowatt input into something like KFUO's 850 khz quarter wave tower at night. One can only dream. Mike ************** What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jul 20 23:19:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86478 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2009 06:19:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2009 06:19:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.99) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 06:19:25 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imo-m11.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a655dbb4; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:18:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d2e.4387fb1b (65098) for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:18:52 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.99 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A rear behaviour X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=T2fSU5ika7Iv1ipNgR-fpxxLRFfMYjo9fU1GKixpfiMNeWJirdu1X_41mc-4jzYb X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The a slight blue haze that varies in intensity with modulation is normal. It is ionized rare air molecules from an imperfect vacuum. However, the part about it being there without any high voltage, just from the heaters, scares me. Mike ************** What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jul 21 11:07:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67969 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2009 18:07:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2009 18:07:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 18:07:34 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6LI6tfl020285 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:06:56 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d5e.52c8d06c (65098) for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:07:01 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: KSTP 1500 Minneapolis - St. Paul High Fidelity Radio Circa 1957 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=VMjC2HaiuWiNXn2aLFxnV63g-bprRA0B102_SOW9YJcThTATxPdESzMmw3i_CLg- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is an oldie but a goodie for KSTP's brand new RCA Ampliphase 50kW transmitter. It cost $125,000 in 1957 dollars. My understanding (please clarify) this was in KSTP's pre-Franklin days. Wow, I can remember "record shops" and your average record player costing a fortune. This was also prior to the Twin Cities becoming a Top 40 demilitarized zone when hostilities broke out between Storz's WDGY and KDWB. http://www.twincitiesradioairchecks.com/images/Sirg_06_KSTP-AM_New_xmitter_1 957.mp3 Mike ************** What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Jul 21 11:23:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37106 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2009 18:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2009 18:23:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s18.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.221) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 18:23:10 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W16 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s18.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:22:49 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:22:50 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2009 18:22:49.0918 (UTC) FILETIME=[410735E0:01CA0A30] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} KSTP 1500 Minneapolis - St. Paul High Fidelity Radio Circa 1957 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=SS3ayfbfQIRTUEgDEvZRoWszY7V2HCGut53DPr60X_iDft2TsPiy X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The HTML you have attached does not work for me. MTGC To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: mjgrant@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:07:01 -0400 Subject: {AMSF} KSTP 1500 Minneapolis - St. Paul High Fidelity Radio Circa 1957 Here is an oldie but a goodie for KSTP's brand new RCA Ampliphase 50kW transmitter. It cost $125,000 in 1957 dollars. My understanding (please clarify) this was in KSTP's pre-Franklin days. Wow, I can remember "record shops" and your average record player costing a fortune. This was also prior to the Twin Cities becoming a Top 40 demilitarized zone when hostilities broke out between Storz's WDGY and KDWB. http://www.twincitiesradioairchecks.com/images/Sirg_06_KSTP-AM_New_xmitter_1 957.mp3 Mike ************** What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 12:14:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57056 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2009 19:13:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2009 19:13:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 19:13:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2009 19:13:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2009 19:13:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:13:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "Johnny Electron" Subject: Re: {AMSF} MosFet Output Phase to Amplitude AM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=pciEHzThPvYpsJto2eA0UwHAOsLu_hYfXHfzN2FD8Xyre3ntHlzRmFY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I believe that you can use RG-8/U for a KW, but the connectors will get war= m. Need an A/C on your dummy load though? 73's John From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Tue Jul 21 12:59:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66051 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2009 19:59:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2009 19:59:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 19:59:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2009 19:59:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2009 19:59:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:59:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSTP 1500 Minneapolis - St. Paul High Fidelity Radio Circa 1957 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=tfUD_jm9A-ucrGlki8yWJQgKMYeUd1URR_BHNtlFFEBnpvxcH0jvk3ia X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO <= mtgc@...> wrote: > >=20 > The HTML you have attached does not work for me. That is because Yahoo split the URL into two lines. Try copying and pastin= g the entire URL into your browser. It worked for me. --Alfredo From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jul 21 13:18:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75374 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2009 20:18:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2009 20:18:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m12.mail.aol.com) (64.12.143.100) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 20:18:16 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imo-m12.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a66223d1f6; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:17:01 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d6b.4969b468 (65098) for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:17:17 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.136 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.143.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} MosFet Output Phase to Amplitude AM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Tl-trU2nmqXeKVC54vMgFBJpQWAcN7IAVidNBRcvw79bOKMXv5D3LpMlKR3a14IP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My dummy load is just a Heathkit Cantenna paint bucket. I have been putting it in a dishpan of ice water. I miscalculate the circulating current in the output tank circuit. I compute load current which was far less. That's why the capacitor failed. Mike ************** What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Tue Jul 21 14:05:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94671 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2009 21:05:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2009 21:05:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s29.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.232) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 21:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W2 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s29.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:04:51 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:04:52 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2009 21:04:51.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3B9E600:01CA0A46] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.232 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} KSTP 1500 Minneapolis - St. Paul High Fidelity Radio Circa 1957 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=3XQhFYx9oP9SeqR_8xHOheRWMwYGpcevQaoaiDXfS9gJ24X0d0s5 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wonderful sound. Thanks for sharing. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: mjgrant@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:07:01 -0400 Subject: {AMSF} KSTP 1500 Minneapolis - St. Paul High Fidelity Radio Circa 1957 Here is an oldie but a goodie for KSTP's brand new RCA Ampliphase 50kW transmitter. It cost $125,000 in 1957 dollars. My understanding (please clarify) this was in KSTP's pre-Franklin days. Wow, I can remember "record shops" and your average record player costing a fortune. This was also prior to the Twin Cities becoming a Top 40 demilitarized zone when hostilities broke out between Storz's WDGY and KDWB. http://www.twincitiesradioairchecks.com/images/Sirg_06_KSTP-AM_New_xmitter_1 957.mp3 Mike ************** What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Jul 21 14:27:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58686 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2009 21:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2009 21:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2009 21:27:24 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-34a6632b85; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:27:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cc1.599a2a3a (65098) for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:27:24 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 64.12.78.137 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSTP 1500 Minneapolis - St. Paul High Fidelity Radio Circa 1957 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cv0yxGADmU7zonbTvej6nqslbTYJaTdXbSB9r819TiKRO72tD6gg4d8baSXioNZU X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Incidentally, to get some idea of the relative price of KSTP's $125,000 RCA Ampliphase transmitter, the average new house in 1957 cost $12,200. I don't recall what 50 kW plant WDGY used. I assume it wasn't an Ampliphase. Art Jablonsky, Storz's CE at KXOK never had a kind thing to say about them. He was a Gates man to the bone. KXOK had one of those 5kW Gates transmitters with the 10kW sized modulator. Interesting enough, KXOK and KDWB shared the same operating frequency, regional 630 khz, not that anyone would ever know it. The call letters KDWB was never allowed to be spoken on Storz's property, let alone Storz's air. Firing offense. Although 5kW during the day, KDWB had only a 500 watt nighttime authorization. At Storz's urging, KDWB was fined $10,000 by the FCC for failing to reduce power at night and interfering with fulltime 5kW KXOK in St. Louis. There never seemed to be the bad blood between WDGY and KSTP there was with KDWB. Mike ************** What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 19:57:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21553 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 02:57:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2009 02:57:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2009 02:57:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 90848 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2009 02:57:17 -0000 Message-ID: <436289.90806.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: VOfQPJIVM1khJ9zaWwmR2xsp0mbD.l5OEJ4.GYv82R5tw_LJcLtdXn6AUTUQi3qAXA43R_83ist9Ew1CvQsKGO5UvcImXurN_fmL6syJbObc7XTDnS1njwJBAY23lFHlbo0LnJhwOIDn6uGZQJ7GD5VN53yEHUxEhxsZsFGJqdsV8WH4ylidsjrL14Z9D5e.Lzybu.uzBFkG3wDBh5TBV7.jYw98gKLIuUl0YQahcf0nPxIMOg7CW_RGnQMJssVNbNekJwhoLEETRgZR4W58TiA6T1BF.CCgHH6dZOdwGETiqdEeW.Jvb0eKCEhx8wqOr2iY3XkG5H2jD3r.5W.KNcDqrvv7x8hJBcyvEwqNQeYgr1OpVkfVHY0vtmVFpRs- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:57:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:57:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A rear behaviour X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=XJVjbYDHQ8AHRio3s46JmV1RKxWYQSVI9laO2GTz-y_CMg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just with the filament on? =A0Hmm, that's strange! =A0Are ALL the other ele= ments off? =A0G --- On Tue, 7/21/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A rear behaviour To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 2:18 AM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 The a slight blue haze that varies in intensity with modu= lation is normal.=20=20 It is ionized rare air molecules from an imperfect vacuum. However, the part about it being there without any high voltage, just from= =20 the heaters, scares me. Mike ************ ** What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner=20 ideas for any occasion.=20 (http://food. aol.com/dinner- tonight?ncid=3D emlcntusfood0000 0009) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Jul 21 21:21:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80195 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 04:21:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2009 04:21:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2009 04:21:28 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFGPE5PAXAWEQ2 for (sender ); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:19:57 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8+MIa1z6Wcp02gw4Iui/Wk= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PM2Z2RJW; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:19:44 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.25.34] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:19:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:19:00 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20090721.211900.6.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:3206978103 X-MAIL-INFO:3ccc55b155d50865d519456d190000dd5d099c2109acf1c5c189251569ecec4d15a155150db19c6c0dacd56535ec4508057d6d78797d1df53c00490079dd61653c998581388d818d85f9bc41aded3d28ad85adb8c5 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: I have to agree with Kevin Redding X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=jhed-ojl3dUUxxacKMMSG-VBU3ejMwDWB_D2jsBVjw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I have to agree with Kevin Redding, this post has zero to do with AM Stereo= . Don ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: AM Stereo Subject: RE: {AMSF} KSTP 1500 Minneapolis - St. Paul High Fidelity Radio Ci= rca 1957 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:22:50 -0400 The HTML you have attached does not work for me. =20 MTGC=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: mjgrant@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:07:01 -0400 Subject: {AMSF} KSTP 1500 Minneapolis - St. Paul High Fidelity Radio Circa = 1957 =20=20 Here is an oldie but a goodie for KSTP's brand new RCA Ampliphase 50kW=20 transmitter. It cost $125,000 in 1957 dollars. My understanding (please=20 clarify) this was in KSTP's pre-Franklin days. Wow, I can remember "record = shops"=20 and your average record player costing a fortune. This was also prior to the Twin Cities becoming a Top 40 demilitarized zone= =20 when hostilities broke out between Storz's WDGY and KDWB. http://www.twincitiesradioairchecks.com/images/Sirg_06_KSTP-AM_New_xmitter_= 1 957.mp3 Mike From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 03:01:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84922 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 10:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2009 10:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2009 10:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2009 10:01:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2009 10:01:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:01:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <436289.90806.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.58.243 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A rear behaviour X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=iYuiJ0-s3Q1UdUT3xdcISKa8L82UZ53yGqEnVi6T9Mq0knEIMA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Oops!!! I was wrong. The blue gas is visible only when I turn on the plate. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Just with the filament on? =A0Hmm, that's strange! =A0Are ALL the other e= lements off? =A0G >=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Jul 22 05:48:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39557 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 12:48:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2009 12:48:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2009 12:48:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82463 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jul 2009 12:48:40 -0000 Message-ID: <684945.81591.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: xUaO2EsVM1n.YzSZKXQUkO7e3V5LIu3gOVbP9oSMaKEzTdWQF_0y3LKVlC4RrsHMmboVUqbcqLzW3KNjM3WVtzobLoCZIXo9jstavO8Wmjpb1qWbQJKqY69d194Ob0aS7i2svysERofMhhhJBWWarQNl_jAQsTIVwtkExU.PCsJnm9szcpN8s4JVMCR87KJoVZjNWt9kM7Lh0w2C1FKDex0qZWMdshyKQ5gD0jDfqsdSLAJrDTzOzs3Ug3.mUEZj9L4Bnco0gKJpyf_KFpflYaVutukQKRx.3FU_RotuSA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:48:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:48:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: KTSP thread X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=7_QcPEv0TIcOPqrC1Gu903AeBpK0WOQLHllOUcx8mMIAw0yN9UMO9oA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Did KTSP ever have AM stereo? From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Jul 22 06:53:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76516 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 13:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2009 13:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2009 13:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.171] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090722085225102881600010.0) with SMTP id <20090722085225102881600010> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:52:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004b01ca0ad4$0f850200$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:52:25 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSTP 1500 Minneapolis - St. Paul High Fidelity Radio Circa 1957 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=7fKVIyNDfBZFVe9WNpUrksAcXHAmdIxLmFtcKrE_Y8wCWqVBkmQs X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right about the Franklin. IIRC it went up in the mid 60s, probably 66 when they put their new FM on the air. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: {AMSF} KSTP 1500 Minneapolis - St. Paul High Fidelity Radio Circa 1957 Here is an oldie but a goodie for KSTP's brand new RCA Ampliphase 50kW transmitter. It cost $125,000 in 1957 dollars. My understanding (please clarify) this was in KSTP's pre-Franklin days. Wow, I can remember "record shops" and your average record player costing a fortune. This was also prior to the Twin Cities becoming a Top 40 demilitarized zone when hostilities broke out between Storz's WDGY and KDWB. http://www.twincitiesradioairchecks.com/images/Sirg_06_KSTP-AM_New_xmitter_1 957.mp3 Mike ************** What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Jul 22 06:55:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70766 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 13:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2009 13:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2009 13:55:21 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.171] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090722085429103179600010.0) with SMTP id <20090722085429103179600010> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:54:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005201ca0ad4$577af1a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:54:29 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A rear behaviour X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=fEKaUDAurto8MoZ8AaU4ZNjwcFd7_wQf5apSTElcSn9cvBmVv5tB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the blue glow is within the plate structure, that indicates a gassy tube. That will be a milky blue. If it's on the envelope itself, then it's a result of ion bombardment of the glass and will be a deep blue and indicates a good tube. It's often seen in larger audio tubes. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Jul 22 06:56:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37602 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 13:56:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2009 13:56:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2009 13:56:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.171] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090722085523100081600010.0) with SMTP id <20090722085523100081600010> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:55:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005a01ca0ad4$76ad64e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:55:23 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=yvZkwjGD7GJvBmM0qVvXIWsKF8jly8f9OOW7vCouCMLBxbPfVr6N X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you tried using Google to search for it? I know I've seen it listed, = just don't remember where. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 Hi Gang!!! Does somebody know/have the schematic diagram (electronic circuit) of the= Heathkit AJ-30 tuner? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Jul 22 07:10:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76834 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 14:10:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2009 14:10:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2009 14:10:11 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.171] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090722090909102255700010.0) with SMTP id <20090722090909102255700010> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:09:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006501ca0ad6$6424e8a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:09:09 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} MosFet Output Phase to Amplitude AM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=bVkzVCDJw0f6njUqR2AF1ucCaWQCxNHyFq1Wrmk11xEM8Dh9Bvau X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only if the SWR is REALLY low. See if you can find some scraps of 1/2 or 5/8 Heliax or equivalent. Call a local two-way shop and see if they will be taking out any installations where you could have the used coax. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:11 AM Is regular RG-8 good for 1 kW? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Jul 22 07:17:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74163 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 14:17:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2009 14:17:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2009 14:17:12 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.171] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090722091632100097900010.0) with SMTP id <20090722091632100097900010> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:16:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009101ca0ad7$6ac4a8c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:16:32 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSTP 1500 Minneapolis - St. Paul High Fidelity Radio Circa 1957 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=rkrK7xIT0m0ZKZwUIX8fB5cAx4jJycU6oUD8dLukhmriOesePz78 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Westinghouse 50HG. Got the big meter panels from it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 4:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSTP 1500 I don't recall what 50 kW plant WDGY used. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Jul 22 07:52:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97291 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 14:52:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2009 14:52:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.207) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2009 14:52:09 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W31 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s4.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:51:48 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:51:48 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005a01ca0ad4$76ad64e0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <005a01ca0ad4$76ad64e0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2009 14:51:48.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0C4B7E0:01CA0ADB] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=jM1VAlh6lNfbKwmu-9Yw251mA_2tjB9d3yDfW322JOKFw6VeEqnH X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Found this listing on EBay. It might help. =20 http://desc.shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=3DHeathkit+AJ-30%E2%80%8F&_sacat=3D0&= LH_TitleDesc=3D1&_trksid=3Dp3286.m270.l1313&_odkw=3DHeathkit+AJ-30%E2%80%8F= &_osacat=3D0&_rdc=3D1 =20 MTGC (Michael) =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:55:23 -0500 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 =20=20 Have you tried using Google to search for it? I know I've seen it listed, j= ust don't remember where. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 Hi Gang!!! Does somebody know/have the schematic diagram (electronic circuit) of the H= eathkit AJ-30 tuner? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Jul 22 07:53:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49288 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 14:53:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2009 14:53:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s35.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.238) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2009 14:53:46 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W51 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s35.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:53:26 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:53:25 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005a01ca0ad4$76ad64e0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <005a01ca0ad4$76ad64e0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2009 14:53:26.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[2ACB9B70:01CA0ADC] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=2BwZesDLXib2QL6hO8eDU1ej1mxfVJ6pIbjHnQzJCN7aLH48ynJE X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In case your browser doesn't take html information, the EBay listing number= is: 330345515890 =20 MTGC (Michael) =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:55:23 -0500 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 =20=20 Have you tried using Google to search for it? I know I've seen it listed, j= ust don't remember where. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 11:18 PM Subject: {AMSF} Heathkit AJ-30 Hi Gang!!! Does somebody know/have the schematic diagram (electronic circuit) of the H= eathkit AJ-30 tuner? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, CHile, South America, with love --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jul 22 11:08:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32082 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2009 18:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2009 18:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2009 18:08:14 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n6MI7ZeS025231 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:07:36 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bd9.38a2ea35 (39954) for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:07:32 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KSTP 1500 Minneapolis - St. Paul High Fidelity Radio Circa 1957 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=3HyP_9oi7NNpRR2zRaCU5dCj1BAPLthRYDaUaPkQ0jNM6qLKxHKkY3lV_I9egnSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It occurred to me that using the height of a Franklin to support an FM array would make sense. I am not sure how to handle what happens in the middle. I suppose an ordinary AM/FM decoupler would work in the middle as well. Sounds like KSTP was a really classy (no pun intended) station in the late 50s. KFUO, which is own by the Missouri Synod of the Lutheran Church, plays classical music as does their FM sister station. Rare on AM, although I understand there is an extended band AMS station in Kansas City does as well. I get it sometimes around 1660. Mike ************** What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Jul 23 18:44:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69373 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2009 01:44:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2009 01:44:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2009 01:44:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11021 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2009 01:44:10 -0000 Message-ID: <805942.9455.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ge71Pw8VM1nkdtKt0Qy2HWaKb3epmvDxywrgQdml0jS0WznKh2IjR5C9Awx3cQxF6hLJb51SxMypm9xzx3eZgUwomdSUw3W2PLwawsT6v78cmO.eWuPez6RGNa3Kx4SNpzdyc8071CKppsuR40cDhTv0eh46Ojah5lL1l3GI4Zv5fUO7JzDLlK85txdfq0WS_vB1tgsVeC6BlkofZKQ7k6.POOB0X7LIGVVYJgoranU8mi9viOTZOnaENDN2TVz5K.f0BxsCLqddBMLZe45yFcTixnuqzNle0hqtRzrNGL.V0.MzAF9YEh0T1AysXrgFdZmurGKav5SH8Molg6dfSNoN_Q-- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:44:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:44:10 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo in OZ - 1984 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=cIu-82YOo9f8VOFlr3r2qf7AzOYqOkFkJosXbSBUygmrLsweNKTYWng X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yep Boy George introduces Brisbane to AM STEREO on July 1, 1984; here's the YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsi-OCOPZRk Enjoy! From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Fri Jul 24 03:00:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36373 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2009 10:00:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2009 10:00:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2009 10:00:01 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090724095949.YLTO1960.nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:59:49 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090724095949.KWMB6272.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 09:59:49 +0000 To: References: <805942.9455.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:59:48 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <805942.9455.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcoMAEiJAukiQFzGRHS5Kno2jYqLPQAQ4Iwg X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150202.4A698615.00D1,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: ohkyEdf5TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU7zhKrM7hNL21jpcNhOPO2gqZ6X0X4/Ru+M= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} AM Stereo in OZ - 1984 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Johnny Electron Yep Boy George introduces Brisbane to AM STEREO on July 1, 1984; here's the YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsi-OCOPZRk Enjoy! Yo - Thanks Johnny for this! Actually AM stereo didn't arrive till 1985, but this Queensland Ipswich station always carried on like a mainstream Brisbane station since its inception. And why wouldn't it? At one stage in the 70s (we got colour TV in 1975) it (previously 4IP) called itself Colour Radio! I'm not nearly as excited about digital radio (DAB+) as I was with AM stereo. But I have to admit I now do get a perfect signal through my hi-fi system when I turn on the adjacent TV set. When I had the wonderful signal from my Sony AM stereo tuner playing through my hi-fi system it was totally destroyed if I turned on the TV set. But I want a personal DAB+ walkman! It's only then that I'll admit that it is as good as AM stereo. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jul 24 05:56:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40040 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2009 12:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jul 2009 12:52:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2009 12:52:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54888 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2009 12:52:23 -0000 Message-ID: <502708.54041.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: R5wfK_QVM1nga1zkOKNFZkj6_2F3jSw7eSwsQ6GtWAFk2R_oJYG3N.DF65qHkMIffywkMvo4PWBtQIRzfdtvlzhtwoK1di52ULN95tOyD4XpLYBu.3uSgzwn_UKFcM86GJ38GWRIRGCAFEVz5SYOUkKhk93kgw0BW0ejLoNX28pbJ716QfPJpnmnNkepqobp.RLV8kUvjmJbDTJySNtplwMd168pngIV4Uzdnur83Gy470Ue6QGbFscbkqQAaMy9grl3.TGa0nlF6cgTZD98VEbhowjVskAsun47BJEY4LHumFLtzBX0 X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 05:52:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 05:52:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=5jR35G9lWujmhpqYNL2-Ss-RqqFzH1u1uPy9CNwwao1GKbiyzVGgIRw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ian wrote: "...But I want a personal DAB+ walkman!...It's only then that I'll admit that it is as good as AM stereo..." Hi Ian, two questions; are there any AM stereo stations still on air in Oz, and what frequency band do you 'utilise' for DAB+ down there? VHF? 73's John PS: Hope you guys can get rid of the swine flu down there so it doesn't come back up here in a few months time! From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Sat Jul 25 02:02:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90545 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2009 09:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2009 09:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2009 09:02:36 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090725085235.OAII1920.nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:52:35 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090725085234.OBZN7248.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:52:34 +0000 To: References: <502708.54041.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:52:31 +1000 Message-ID: <2DEAD3C8B3D645AD9F61169EA45A903B@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcoMXjBI1DODP26NTyaK+ilFZrv4eQApRwMg In-Reply-To: <502708.54041.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150201.4A6AC7D2.00CB,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: qR0xENLuXAD+xTJw2GbvOAN+x1ju9HE74J0WRdJtqQQbTljCu8jOIJvnY9kEnZ7k0S5MPhCAPGsjZrzmXY/YiA== X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Stereo in OZ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Johnny Electron > Hi Ian, two questions; are there any AM stereo stations still on air in Oz, As far as I know only 1053 2CA in Canberra is still in AM stereo. It may last a few more years because DAB+ has only been launched in the biggest cities - Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide, and Perth (which contain about two thirds of the population). There is no talk yet of DAB+ being introduced elsewhere. > and what frequency band do you 'utilise' for DAB+ down there? VHF? I'm not technical Johnny. I think DAB+ has been launched on the VHF band round about Channel 9A. But I may be wrong. > PS: Hope you guys can get rid of the swine flu down there so it doesn't > come back up here in a few months time! Hmmmm ... Swine flu doesn't seem to be the killer flu that the doomsday people were worried about. I have a mild dose of the flu at the moment as our winter is pretty dreadful. Swine flu??? I'm nor sure ... Oink Oink! Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sun Jul 26 07:32:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77311 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2009 14:32:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2009 14:32:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2009 14:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFG24HCAFP3UYS for (sender ); Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:32:02 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD+75HpmZvP5EMWYofBkRjNU= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PNEEM9WM; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 07:31:45 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.25.34] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:31:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:31:12 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20090726.073112.18164.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:4184043562 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: The Buzz makes the flop list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=bOPOQTbgRfrA2AcXQMqFpQRJORl-XTR32pTfsY5qUQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The Buzz makes the flop list: HD Radio made a list that its proponents wish it hadn't. The digital radio technology is 12th on a list of "tech flops" compiled by = David Carnoy, CNET's executive editor. CNET, ironically, is now owned by CBS, a company with a significant history= and investment in HD Radio. "HD Radio was supposed to be the next great thing in 'free' radio, offering= clear, digital 'CD quality sound' and more listening choices," he wrote in= an item posted last Friday. "But it's been slowed by the manufacturing cos= ts of both the HD Radio chips and the radios themselves =97 as well as poor= marketing." But he also noted that prices for receivers have come down, "giving hope to= backers and fans that the technology will find more success next decade." = A flop, he adds, is "simply something that was really hyped but didn't live= up to its promise or expectations." Time magazine got lots of attention recently for a similar list, which incl= uded Sirius XM and the Microsoft Zune.=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jul 27 15:14:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58052 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2009 22:13:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2009 22:13:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2009 22:13:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68449 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2009 22:13:50 -0000 Message-ID: <383216.43469.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Q06cEPgVM1lVYyPX7abxtZx2QcyTXAul4uLIxwkrXmFvIVrJEwrbTWgfSEXMiOCwrG_lvq.2MHYU6ZcIZ3Z8fX9gcB6Bu7ifKqRHhSRnobpubipFWLe0CUpS0i4XO9nXnWCSXyP.1G3BgDgN3zE61izxbnG312.1lw2e7UPxsd5MIusPrk48qcc0IzLEy5e.5HaZav3Zck_T9lvZQtX59MFzXBMUD3wWv_zSAZz__o_AWGPqjWamYgUgV2w3Az7XXwnlJZaAQn5eMobaUUn3iouCh9Rcxp697gXk0bFSarx.IA71_qUyPyUNS_gdmn1B0rkyJaoh817Ycrt0qk5_wgsH9jBSegKToL2WXUQuyGFMj8xQzu1mfDiWTEWdszQ- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:13:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:13:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20090726.073112.18164.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Buzz makes the flop list X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=py2F1aYX2Gbb1MCbg7KBzMTUJ1FCg4SIvClZeYFNLKEL0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CBS? =C2=A0ANOTHER flop for them? =C2=A0You'd think they would be a bit mor= e cautious after the SQ debacle! =C2=A0G --- On Sun, 7/26/09, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} The Buzz makes the flop list To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 10:31 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20=20=20 The Buzz makes the flop list: HD Radio made a list that its proponents wish it hadn't. The digital radio technology is 12th on a list of "tech flops" compiled by = David Carnoy, CNET's executive editor. CNET, ironically, is now owned by CBS, a company with a significant history= and investment in HD Radio. "HD Radio was supposed to be the next great thing in 'free' radio, offering= clear, digital 'CD quality sound' and more listening choices," he wrote in= an item posted last Friday. "But it's been slowed by the manufacturing cos= ts of both the HD Radio chips and the radios themselves =E2=80=94 as well a= s poor marketing." But he also noted that prices for receivers have come down, "giving hope to= backers and fans that the technology will find more success next decade." = A flop, he adds, is "simply something that was really hyped but didn't live= up to its promise or expectations. " Time magazine got lots of attention recently for a similar list, which incl= uded Sirius XM and the Microsoft Zune.=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Aug 03 10:10:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60757 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2009 17:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2009 17:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2009 17:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n73H9PIv018794 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:09:25 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c4b.58e44eef (39952); Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:09:21 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: MJGRANT@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Source for Motorola MC13022AP IC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=2CZP7Pp89bxlv7Fa2yex0JlgH5eJSFRMQJ2pnx3mkuJtiHTi5Al5ksTRnd5dArCM X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of a source for this chip? Or better yet, the small AMS converter boards? In reading the literature, I take it the unit must work with a 450 khz IF which most synthesized tuners use rather than the more common, at least in past years, 455 khz. I have the earlier version which seems to work alright with the 455 IF of a Heathkit Hi-Fi tube tuner. Of course, I didn't check to see if the IF was actually 455 or 450. Thanks. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm40937ywh.12.2009.08.03.11.18.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A7729C3.7090207@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:17:39 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Source for Motorola MC13022AP IC? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=x4-mFp11iB-PSYabF-VIh3UbTLiCklGGSD1VrSo4rPoRqa4ieMOVv_N8PDbZsA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know of a source for this chip? http://www.spacecoastsemi.com/part/MC13022AP Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Aug 03 11:40:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3324 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2009 18:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2009 18:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2009 18:40:44 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFHQMX4AQGF78A for (sender ); Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:38:50 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD6UElqWY211Wy1WZybZVmtE= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PN3FW84W; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:38:11 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.25.34] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:37:20 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:37:20 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20090803.113720.15057.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:962560282 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: 34 Radio Stations Off the Air X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=Ihl75dIL9C-z8cX7dEfCYGbaUP9hUfevJBmTBi6gDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn 34 Radio Stations Off the Air Sunday , August 02, 2009 AP Some 200 Venezuelans gathered outside a Caracas broadcaster Saturday to pro= test a decision by President Hugo Chavez's government to revoke the license= s of 34 radio stations. The demonstration occurred outside CNB 102.3 FM, which cut its over-the-air= transmission Saturday morning on orders from the telecommunications regula= tory agency and is now transmitting only over the Internet. Station director Zaira Belfort said CNB planned to appeal the order, but sh= e warned that the shutdown decision is likely "only the beginning of the cl= osures of free media in Venezuela." "This is a government attack," she said. "We want to keep living in democra= cy, and once again they've silenced us." Chavez said Saturday that he approved the telecommunications agency's decis= ion to shut down radio stations ruled to be operating illegally. "We're applauding Diosdado for the decision he has made to take back these = stations for the people," Chavez said, referring to agency chief Diosdado C= abello. Chavez said previously that the revoked licenses could be given to broadcas= ters who share his socialist vision. International media groups and human rights activists have accused the gove= rnment of trying to stifle dissent. But Cabello denies the government is tr= ying to limit freedom of expression or punish political opponents, saying l= icenses are being revoked only for violating regulations. In announcing the revocations Friday, Cabello said some of the 34 stations = failed to update their registrations or let their concessions expire, while= others held licenses granted to an operator who is now deceased. Chavez's socialist government has increasingly clashed with private media a= s it slowly tightens its grip over the industry. More than 200 other radio stations are under investigation, as is Globovisi= on =97 the only strongly anti-Chavez television station remaining on the op= en airwaves. Lawmakers, meanwhile, are discussing a bill that would punish = yet-to-be-defined "media crimes" with up to four years in prison. Victor Neda, a broadcast technician at CNB, said his job is at stake, addin= g that the closure would be a "very disagreeable" way to leave the station = after working there 15 years. "I never imagined it would happen this way," he said. The Caracas station is one of 10 that CNB operates around Venezuela. Four o= thers have also been closed, CNB executives said. The company, which employs hundreds of workers, hasn't said how its staff w= ill be affected. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Aug 03 20:15:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23882 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 03:15:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2009 03:15:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2009 03:15:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2009 03:15:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2009 03:15:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:15:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005201ca0ad4$577af1a0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.61 From: "jotape1960" Subject: 4-1000A tube socket X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=ADVNkOkcrwIKJkBpU9GUQYvvJABAz9DdIYX7teQuA_Lzy4abTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Scott!!! Excuse me by the delay, I had some problems here (you know: we are in winte= r here, so cold, the typical flu, some fever, etc.) Now I have in my hands the 4-1000 tube socket, safe and sound (hehehe). I don't know how to thank you. I really owe you one, brother!!! Well, now you know I'm here. By the way, I wonder if you knew the old (but so good) McMartin B-502 stere= o mixer and if you know about some good price / good state specimen. THANKS A LOT, BROTHER!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Aug 04 06:01:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63823 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 13:01:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2009 13:01:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2009 13:01:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 63847 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2009 12:50:16 -0000 Message-ID: <945091.63036.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3fXr90kVM1mgjPjSACjEdpHyB2_DUkXEC.iDvhR1Ykscqc9gCVjEK2kcWqkPOhSBv68NBYSCTxbgwJ3lOz_SwBSQCxSMrp7MP4snCLFHkMD6.Y_ItgOEogGR.9NKHfd6pzlJemzSGe5tcDwVtocD8qPMqwTS7bMCG6ZCfm7Z7NmU9Y0POPt9smZqONj7354oMO9eRWNGOfFcr5hba67j8JrjiJzd__4lFi9u3p1_zFUOyvZm_4VCztt2jjRKlrC_mCxL78Gvcb6eiBk0vw0JysD6QY5OuG.xjxA6crF5Gr5pOVeztzQe X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:50:15 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 05:50:15 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: AM Stereo Converter Boards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=X0BwcwScNAZpx3grjSBLNGMZq7LrniqgBAGG3F89g8fNrEsusEgcaTo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mike, Chris Cuff used to make a very compact AM stereo converter board, but I do know that one is available from our friend Sotiris (I believe he even has them on eBay) and I think Jeff Deck of Meduci in Michigan had one too, in addition to his handmade analog AM stereo wideband tuner. If all of those avenues fail, I might have a circuit board from an AM stereo car radio with one still in it, along with some of the external components required! 73's John From w6yn@juno.com Tue Aug 04 09:44:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6538 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 16:44:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2009 16:44:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2009 16:44:29 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (mailpop03.dca.untd.com [10.171.45.23]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFHS3MGAWJF4KA for (sender ); Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:44:22 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD0B7kXPLSiW9Ij8wJ9TewBU= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by mailpop03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PN5TSFG7; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:43:45 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:33:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Email Client 8.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7,24-32767 Message-Id: <20090804.094345.26667.44630@mailpop03.dca.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 6:3:1388418240 X-MAIL-INFO:3f45c4d1c4897d897d217d5d38e0d0c0b0a92d387524c9a4746dd4c1719499ed89d9f465eda4d454f5543041811139d1dd55102139153085 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.45.23|mailpop03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: w6yn Subject: More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=YrK8f7HpzonN4Ee2rJ033HqkxwEs2sBE7r4MkE2hhg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Google=92s YouTube to compete in local news.=20 Just when you thought radio couldn=92t get any more competition=85Google shows up again, with a new service named =93News Near You.=94 If Google-the-aggregator is a royal pain for newspapers (taking content without returning revenue), then News Near You is a jab at local broadcast media, which has been shrinking its local news presence. The New York Times sees it as a rival to TV news - but the Times just seems to have TV on the mind, because of the visual aspect. It=92s just as much a competitor to radio. The contributions to News Near You sometimes come from local radio stations. But mostly they=92re from newspapers, colleges and (as the Times says) =93a fledgling San Francisco outfit called VidSF, three friends who despise the local TV diet of fires and homicides.=94 There will be more guerilla startups like that, offering a diet of local happenings that supplants TV, radio and papers. And Google gets the chance to make some more money, placing ads against the video. Smart radio stations are looking for ways to be local =96 and to put local video on their Web sites. If they don=92t do it, rest assured that somebody else will. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Aug 04 10:11:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45618 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 17:11:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2009 17:11:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f193.google.com) (209.85.211.193) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2009 17:11:00 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yw0-f193.google.com with SMTP id 31so4956956ywh.4 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:10:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.83.2 with SMTP id g2mr3044680agb.31.1249405859869; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.255.124? (dialup-4.152.255.124.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.255.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 11sm484271aga.56.2009.08.04.10.10.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A786B9D.3040000@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:10:53 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20090804.094345.26667.44630@mailpop03.dca.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20090804.094345.26667.44630@mailpop03.dca.untd.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Oqj10NqXJ61kRPM4r4PK3WzPsokY_5HbDWbwO3O2AGtKND0hunVIDBslwdw24g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable w6yn wrote: > Smart radio stations are looking for ways to be local =96 and to put loca= l video on their Web sites. SMART Radio Stations are turning off their Phantoms and putting REAL=20 LIVE LOCAL personalities on the air, doing LOCAL Remotes, and being a=20 part of the community. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 04 10:36:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35862 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 17:35:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2009 17:35:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2009 17:35:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79284 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2009 17:35:57 -0000 Message-ID: <287125.78058.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Pca0VP4VM1k5GV6UBb14tuC1_d_1_QBjUjO2cQccWA.YmpOk4ufmS5QNWhVDLVe.dXOLsGAYLweBW7m0jOOOZw5jm7OWp12mFdaIq2bmDhqtlJ8ak6zPKgkEgBxhp3JJPOn1aoNLtbverCxhpWzAR7YMWHyIFxB6Fuza1sYT1Eprqb9AWP_u8N27PfBlteVvJuZ9pQ8G.5JFG5mw0o5cPTuXqFPWX9PtgDlWeiViOS_c.WvRQm37abrkGNq2_NwPNRYQYobEurTBfkUfVZCU2H3RUp31qiuFXgUVDmYWWR8ZP.j7Mo845DA0Vc7W11nWckDMl1tXzMdjWA-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:35:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <20090804.094345.26667.44630@mailpop03.dca.untd.com> <4A786B9D.3040000@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:35:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4A786B9D.3040000@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=nxtFaM9BfF6B8Rlb0w8Gh8mC6ynDbjoQNgteLUwMXfU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Smart radio stations don't use=C2=A0Phantom. Powell =C2=A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: kj4hyd w6yn wrote: > Smart radio stations are looking for ways to be local =E2=80=93 and to pu= t local video on their Web sites. SMART Radio Stations are turning off their Phantoms and putting REAL=20 LIVE LOCAL personalities on the air, doing LOCAL Remotes, and being a=20 part of the community. Kevin From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Aug 04 10:46:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34689 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 17:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2009 17:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.145) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2009 17:46:09 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W18 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:45:57 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:45:56 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <287125.78058.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20090804.094345.26667.44630@mailpop03.dca.untd.com> <4A786B9D.3040000@gmail.com> <287125.78058.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2009 17:45:57.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[6BE9C560:01CA152B] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=M_ibVluPyBR1b5060MRDd05_pOFJ25IG-w9a4FOCseD4QYVZ63MRz_twqaY X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr Way said: =20 "Smart radio stations don't use Phantom." =20 Do they ever use POTO? ............................... =20 =20 =20 =20 (Phantom of the Opera)??=20=20 =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: w4opw@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:35:57 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} More competition for radio =20=20 Smart radio stations don't use Phantom. Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: kj4hyd w6yn wrote: > Smart radio stations are looking for ways to be local =96 and to put loca= l video on their Web sites. SMART Radio Stations are turning off their Phantoms and putting REAL=20 LIVE LOCAL personalities on the air, doing LOCAL Remotes, and being a=20 part of the community. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Aug 04 10:53:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74008 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 17:53:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2009 17:53:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.24) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2009 17:53:20 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so1848778qwd.45 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:53:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.6.68 with SMTP id 4mr6183881qay.318.1249408400629; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.255.124? (dialup-4.152.255.124.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.255.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm83590ywh.3.2009.08.04.10.53.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A78758A.6000100@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:53:14 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20090804.094345.26667.44630@mailpop03.dca.untd.com> <4A786B9D.3040000@gmail.com> <287125.78058.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <287125.78058.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=tulzpwh_nZjJ17TAd4AocrPzjdPz6bt1RKuV7HTknLPDIs4rAYJLq2LDrxvpKQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell E. Way III wrote: > Smart radio stations don't use Phantom. Even Smarter Stations take their Simian Computers and format the Hard Drives! Lord only knows I would LOVE to take a Lead Pipe after the person who bought that pile of crap that I HAD to make work! Yes, Phantom has its problems too, but they do WORK! That Phantom we had at WFIS ran one of the weirdest format mixes from several Birds and 2 types of Music flawlessly! I have also never heard WCRS's or WAGL's Phantoms die on the air. Compared to BSI's WaveStation or Simian, I will take Phantom ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 04 10:54:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49096 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 17:54:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2009 17:54:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2009 17:54:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30411 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2009 17:54:37 -0000 Message-ID: <270018.28285.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9BiptOQVM1lQ1jj5hZgiU3muRQFIy9aNojb_gQkRBR9LYrsGy4hIDhBl8UqoDGSeBOiCHq0Q3GIbePnki_SwLYvY3vAw73wBAAj1C7htyIDTPmQsLx2BBPW.qdES9qfQ6gSxQXXAKtxH9elShkto21RoW3DgSv_ck5ilbuTboFqr0Oz2Vm6IqFhPdmakmdxQ4._xh4fauj5rj.VMdZUjHMqr_FMgUhp28VrQZhdDihkQdHaUTlkAxK41iiJgViK_dnE9XW1jpnsFLbnCcXqIW_Ays6BP6228iiopQcoJBuZu.WKThnOzlcy58.CGWUefIq5cM4WROi2mbqKlNeSV76rk4bytSQ-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:54:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <20090804.094345.26667.44630@mailpop03.dca.untd.com> <4A786B9D.3040000@gmail.com> <287125.78058.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:54:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=fzi1tPIMq86ecUMtu08cPU0b_zRd-hgzuaMQkV8u9t0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NNNNo! Powell =C2=A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: Donn Tillman To: am stereo Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 1:45:56 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} More competition for radio Mr Way said: "Smart radio stations don't use Phantom." Do they ever use POTO? ............................... (Phantom of the Opera)??=C2=A0=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: w4opw@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:35:57 -0700 Subject: Re: {AMSF} More competition for radio =C2=A0=20 Smart radio stations don't use Phantom. Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: kj4hyd w6yn wrote: > Smart radio stations are looking for ways to be local =E2=80=93 and to pu= t local video on their Web sites. SMART Radio Stations are turning off their Phantoms and putting REAL=20 LIVE LOCAL personalities on the air, doing LOCAL Remotes, and being a=20 part of the community. Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Aug 04 11:27:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89381 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 18:27:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2009 18:27:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2009 18:27:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51513 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Aug 2009 18:27:11 -0000 Message-ID: <186508.50914.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: rGSlvwgVM1kDZry3crhkqfzTe_LZZDJ__3Sts.ZdVDDUo.aG6rUgB9Bux4URyMLnYaARa8vWE9h1K6IZQxIxP0KXKJZqk0d8Wu7fmR2fcZZ84XLCBkIYK.w6FU4biXzVsIBaDmsu2MHOEKcLBq4e95VhD7WuHu..nNB1KRyoyEczJlrv9KQcKbaouMLbfUx77d7QPVhlK_laG9YUxQSppDBMdFs9dBbdoBeh2EkrISejmhh8O0KbpXot.OqPx4hb5RAhtih3o8lvHBiUmqqktER7vnfm4lJZX2VJFzCFuw92GF44Ar06qK0M4NlPjSwcdOUc89XAJTGB0Zdv8lhfrqCZfqMOCg-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:27:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.22 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 References: <20090804.094345.26667.44630@mailpop03.dca.untd.com> <4A786B9D.3040000@gmail.com> <287125.78058.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A78758A.6000100@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:27:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4A78758A.6000100@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=egTsQMtE6H_U64Z3DFoMgzX9rW66rBPFmE7F96he_rg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW What version of Simian do you have?=A0 Wave Station is obsolete.=A0 I would= NEVER choose Simian for a radio station.=20 Phantom is dead.=A0=20 Powell Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: kj4hyd Powell E. Way III wrote: > Smart radio stations don't use Phantom. Even Smarter Stations take their Simian Computers and format the Hard=20 Drives! Lord only knows I would LOVE to take a Lead Pipe after the=20 person who bought that pile of crap that I HAD to make work! Yes, Phantom has its problems too, but they do WORK! That Phantom we had=20 at WFIS ran one of the weirdest format mixes from several Birds and 2=20 types of Music flawlessly! I have also never heard WCRS's or WAGL's=20 Phantoms die on the air. Compared to BSI's WaveStation or Simian, I will take Phantom ANY DAY OF=20 THE WEEK! Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Aug 04 11:42:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5426 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 18:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2009 18:42:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f207.google.com) (209.85.217.207) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2009 18:42:42 -0000 X-Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so6753295gxk.14 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:41:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.94.2 with SMTP id r2mr773274agb.36.1249411290178; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.255.124? (dialup-4.152.255.124.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.255.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm15419777agc.31.2009.08.04.11.41.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A7880D3.3060505@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:41:23 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20090804.094345.26667.44630@mailpop03.dca.untd.com> <4A786B9D.3040000@gmail.com> <287125.78058.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A78758A.6000100@gmail.com> <186508.50914.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <186508.50914.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.207 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=4AJ2-AqUxVvgGsUejNObkchtd49FILkwFmnaRx4eUujG7AxdkSRRR09IUwplDA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Powell E. Way III wrote: > What version of Simian do you have? 1.8 > Wave Station is obsolete. Yes, but PLENTY of them are still on the air! It does seem to work better with Windows 2000 Pro than XP-Pro. > I would NEVER choose Simian for a radio station. Nor would I, but I HAD to make the thing work. That is some BUGGY software! Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Aug 04 16:21:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1455 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2009 23:21:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Aug 2009 23:21:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.250) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2009 23:21:51 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id l33so1244982rvb.24 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:20:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.226.16 with SMTP id y16mr57005rvg.253.1249428051401; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.64? (97-115-192-215.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.192.215]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l31sm2080410rvb.24.2009.08.04.16.20.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <186508.50914.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:52:53 -0700 References: <20090804.094345.26667.44630@mailpop03.dca.untd.com> <4A786B9D.3040000@gmail.com> <287125.78058.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A78758A.6000100@gmail.com> <186508.50914.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.198.250 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=trLC6E9YzljEMtPNfpTJW8dBp_FpBQzdDdJTHs0DX5U7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is website for famtom? On Aug 4, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > > What version of Simian do you have? Wave Station is obsolete. I > would NEVER choose Simian for a radio station. > > Phantom is dead. > > Powell > > Powell > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: kj4hyd > Powell E. Way III wrote: > > Smart radio stations don't use Phantom. > > Even Smarter Stations take their Simian Computers and format the Hard > Drives! Lord only knows I would LOVE to take a Lead Pipe after the > person who bought that pile of crap that I HAD to make work! > > Yes, Phantom has its problems too, but they do WORK! That Phantom we > had > at WFIS ran one of the weirdest format mixes from several Birds and 2 > types of Music flawlessly! I have also never heard WCRS's or WAGL's > Phantoms die on the air. > > Compared to BSI's WaveStation or Simian, I will take Phantom ANY DAY > OF > THE WEEK! > > Kevin > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Aug 04 18:26:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23036 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2009 01:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2009 01:26:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f184.google.com) (209.85.210.184) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2009 01:26:07 -0000 X-Received: by yxe14 with SMTP id 14so5763016yxe.12 for ; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:25:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.124.15 with SMTP id w15mr14485469ybc.81.1249435507571; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.255.124? (dialup-4.152.255.124.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.255.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm215722ywh.11.2009.08.04.18.25.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A78DF6B.9090305@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:24:59 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20090804.094345.26667.44630@mailpop03.dca.untd.com> <4A786B9D.3040000@gmail.com> <287125.78058.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A78758A.6000100@gmail.com> <186508.50914.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Vtl5nE50jgTYBy0M_PnkrEphXNC4RoXB3dmcrKs5OBFt6sgebuZ6e9RIbQZ86w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hank smith wrote: > what is website for famtom? http://registerdata.com/phantominfo.html Kevin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Aug 05 08:03:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84848 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2009 15:03:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2009 15:03:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2009 15:03:15 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n75F2UjM019021 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:02:31 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c0e.5678470e (39330) for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:02:25 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Converter Boards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=sC-ykLWi8_SoZxBlud4t5EsIKEY-boJMMfb_OqBqutNtlEfyppIVQyFjPKvPH1UZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, John. I have a Chris Cuff board, although I am not sure how I came by it. I bought one of his transmitters a couple years back, but I don't remember where the decoder board came from. I really need a source for one or perhaps two of the MC13022. Just out of curiosity, I put a counter on the decoder board input of the modified Heathkit. With the best sound quality on WLS's skywave, the IF output was indeed 450, not 455 khz. I had scoped it before and it looked close to 455, so I just assumed it was. I can't find any of the decoder boards on eBay nor on the Meduci website (at least with a price). I assume given the scarcity of the part, they prefer to use what they have in high value complete receivers. I am surprised NTE or some other replacement part supplier does not have them. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Aug 05 08:10:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95059 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2009 15:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2009 15:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2009 15:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2009 15:09:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Aug 2009 15:09:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:09:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.120 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Audio Stream to Internet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=1VMuuWj8k-qblKqTFOGIFpGRBN7ouKpJkAEy4QNQH3NX1GQWRw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Excuse my ignorance, but I need to know if there is a way to put my station= "on-air" audio into the Internet world WITHOUT to have to use a PC as inte= rface. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Aug 05 12:02:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18241 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2009 19:02:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2009 19:02:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2009 19:02:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51764 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2009 19:02:32 -0000 Message-ID: <559134.49924.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SnIwi.UVM1nVW0hRz.7Wuvgtso6aOa8PCoN27ioBmxKJ0ib1hwL8e5NZWfLetXtFCu.zLN.KE8jtycIPSw4CSNL20dQpmPyML4LJOenT.cqkWOqeBMBoioZ6ZBwLEbgjbUNUUHV2s0jj29EJYR8QLfypgvqYlqjfZfs2wwtNZTRGLy31GQv2LzrfbIY.YVYoA6E2U3W2_8sL5yE0Unc1ZX.7IZmBkgqnRwwv3ml_muKwHfmgA1popa6gKWKKhuFCxR2.nVidVlUdn2ygDxxolq5SDH_0cuwVfbQxk9VjxYlbpfbchwi9UEBu3_x7_CgpuVi9J_aLQzpXsQ-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:02:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:02:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=e7tiauo0-78KFzEIAy49PZN36r57hVNr60D_RU9f4wM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW That's Phantom. um don't know. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 8/4/09, hank smith wrote: > From: hank smith > Subject: Re: {AMSF} More competition for radio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 6:52 PM > what is website for famtom? From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Aug 05 12:05:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68138 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2009 19:05:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2009 19:05:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.157) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2009 19:05:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34577 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Aug 2009 19:04:36 -0000 Message-ID: <877608.34485.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: elZ.XZcVM1mKa58XF9UgK1v8PEZic1KXiMA2x6oeI5R3VdvGei4sP2J1QuuJ_D4WYhDE7VNgJpyG86h9uMXnUlmH2SMmtbJ944cYbCEfYvMiFXUVSnTrAKRhRHi1mzlYsONRoYBMi00ob9UBqZSPxM8P6NPXUouIv8vYwSMxb7sSfIOfKJExRNmPwlB7pefK.nxO3Vl10p2qNs4rQfeWkeD_pulVbbjSWbwVrGixIptG9QreJpKaZHatnGBU.n1VpFASB.Dx_fN4g5LtzYnewbx..vwaHq6RsLGqb47Gc7MbK4Mc9gZW_7utlooLiGMzvDTY8.UQeGypWedi3tOqHLheEiij9A-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:04:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:04:36 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Audio Stream to Internet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=01mopFjBWUMLpyzX3CLVa4xueiPbZssGj-5_DwT0kxw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Yes, a BARIX box.=20 NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 8/5/09, jotape1960 wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: {AMSF} Audio Stream to Internet > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 11:09 AM > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Excuse my ignorance, but I need to know if there is a way > to put my station "on-air" audio into the Internet world > WITHOUT to have to use a PC as interface. >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Aug 05 16:30:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15977 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2009 23:29:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2009 23:29:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2009 23:29:49 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n75NT0gq013225 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:29:01 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.c95.48a19e4c (39955) for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:28:50 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:5:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [funwithtubes] Hallicrafters SX-99 Receiver X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=JNlIcA9tUYxzNo9jYAd5h-jLw1I0B9ok_MDuMLMJpxcuJb-AbcdEX-cJL764sdQT X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Aug 05 16:39:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72302 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2009 23:39:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2009 23:39:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d20.mx.aol.com) (205.188.139.136) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2009 23:39:32 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a7a17cb2f; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:37:47 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.ced.5f60e945 (39955); Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:37:38 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: MJGRANT@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.200 X-Originating-IP: 205.188.139.136 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:5:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Hallicrafter DX99 Modification to AM Stereo on All Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ZU5PBUU0t_V6vmaOWQ6R2McXqUmM_DLAKx262gADA6ULOvlkunS8XxHIihiGil7U X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While I am still trying to wrap my head around the "Noise Limiter" in this set, I did manage to extract what I believe it the detector portion of the circuit which I have redrawn for clarity. The goal is to keep the receiver as close to the original as possible while providing a 75 ohm IF output in the 5 mV to 1 V range. The AVC function must be maintained, so some kind of detector needs to the implemented. I am hoping changing the detector and audio circuits somewhat, substituting some different tubes, and reassigning another will work. The 75 ohm output will require a cathode follower to buffer the last IF transformer. For this, I intend to substitute a 6SN7GTB for the 6K6GT pentode output. The set does not have an internal speaker anyway. It does have a headphone jack. My intent is to use one section of 6SN7 as the IF output follower and the other as a headphone amplifier producing several hundred milliwatts of undistorted output which should suffice and most likely would sound better than the pentode without feedback. The original detector used a 6H6 diode detector in one leg of the last IF, taking the output off the other leg. This did not allow for driving the follower. So one leg of the last IF was grounded with the other driving the new 6SN7 cathode follower. In addition to driving the 75 ohm output through a pad, the full output is used to drive a halfwave voltage doubler. The halfwave doubler conveniently has an input capacitor which blocks the quiescent voltage present at the output of the cathode follower. A 6SZ7 is substituted for the 6SC7 used in the BFO circuit. The tubes have very similar characteristics and are both operated with the cathode grounded. The 6SZ7 provides two diode sections sharing this grounded cathode which are used to implement part of the doubler. In addition, the 6SZ7 has a 150 mA heater instead of the 6SC7 300 mA heater which compensates for the addition heater current of the 6SN7 over the existing 6K6 (600mA vs. 400 mA). The 6H6 section used in the original detector is reassigned to complete the doubler. The output of the original detector drove the AVC line used upstream in the receiver through a 2.2 meg resistor. As the output of the doubler is twice that of the original halfwave detector, a voltage divider halves the output voltage while maintaining the approximate 2.2 meg series resistance. So if Thevenin was correct, the receiver should see no difference in function. As the detected audio is also doubled, the output should be sufficient to drive the 6SN7 headphone amplifier without the original intervening 6SC7 voltage amplifier which had been eliminated. The remaining half of the 6H6 will remain part of the Noise Limiter circuitry which will remain intact. Schematics attached. Any thoughts, comments, or suggestions? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Wed Aug 05 18:05:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46050 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2009 01:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2009 01:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2009 01:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2009 01:05:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2009 01:05:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:05:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <945091.63036.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.4.78 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Converter Boards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=32zGIiy2qeNcBq1Q61PcBBEbaAATGlL4C6QA6DWe845Y1MTkICrB X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You write: >Chris Cuff used to make a very compact AM stereo converter board,=20 >but I do know that one is available from our friend Sotiris (I=20 >believe he even has them on eBay) and I think Jeff Deck of Meduci=20 >in Michigan had one too, in addition to his handmade analog AM=20 >stereo wideband tuner. Yes, very limited quantity of the hand-made analog AM stereo=20 tuner is available: http://meduci.com From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Aug 05 18:24:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37323 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2009 01:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2009 01:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2009 01:24:12 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n761Ntrw007900 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:23:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d0f.525a745b (30737) for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:23:53 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Converter Boards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ciPq6plTIgZCYyNNDHlXfSpmD-YpsMqm49XnLFtHS11MUjLKhOtqwW__ULXGmblO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Might you know of a source for the Motorola MC13022AP? I just need a couple. I am not in the business of manufacturing or selling anything. I am an enthusiast and hobbyist. That is, I am not a competitor. As you may have read, I am trying to convert a communications receiver so as to receiver shortwave, specifically ham, bands in CQUAM AM Stereo to do AM Stereo transmission with similarly interested individuals. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Aug 05 19:05:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27768 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2009 02:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2009 02:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2009 02:05:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2009 02:05:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2009 02:05:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 02:05:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 203.161.90.201 From: "dandocker" Subject: DAB+ Launch in Perth and around Australia X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=z0nPYIrTWVQMAVzL91d2UhTD6RnjBESK29WcLsDUzOyRpDq8 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Digital Audio Broadcasting was launched this morning with a gathering of mo= st of Perth's radio stations (breakfast program presenters) in an open area= in the city. There were listening booths so that people could sample the n= ew sound. One of the presenters harkened back to the launch of AM Stereo and remember= ed it as an "interesting experience".=20 The release of DAB+ probably means that there wont be any stations going ba= ck to AM stereo that aren't already. From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Aug 06 00:43:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1033 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2009 07:43:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2009 07:43:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f187.google.com) (209.85.222.187) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2009 07:43:47 -0000 X-Received: by pzk17 with SMTP id 17so692612pzk.1 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:42:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.125.13 with SMTP id x13mr11661794wac.122.1249544557424; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.64? (71-214-164-252.tcso.qwest.net [71.214.164.252]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m34sm14630192waf.22.2009.08.06.00.42.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4A78DF6B.9090305@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:42:03 -0700 References: <20090804.094345.26667.44630@mailpop03.dca.untd.com> <4A786B9D.3040000@gmail.com> <287125.78058.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A78758A.6000100@gmail.com> <186508.50914.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A78DF6B.9090305@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=ne6xcPoKJGEaRLtOmNgm9SS6E-YpkWUYiQI-z887qTTi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks speaking of radio automation packages any one know of any for mac platform? On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:24 PM, kj4hyd wrote: > hank smith wrote: > > what is website for famtom? > > http://registerdata.com/phantominfo.html > > Kevin > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Thu Aug 06 02:40:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76195 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2009 09:40:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2009 09:40:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.140) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2009 09:40:19 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090806093955.FCVP1957.nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:39:55 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090806093954.PKAO21119.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:39:54 +0000 To: References: <805942.9455.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:39:54 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcoMAEiJAukiQFzGRHS5Kno2jYqLPQAQ4IwgAoz0RLA= In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150204.4A7AA4EB.008F,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: Official launch of DAB+ in Oz X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I went to Federation Square in the city this morning at 7:00 am - as ALL of Melbourne's commercial, ABC, and SBS stations were broadcasting their breakfast sessions from temporary booths at Melbourne's "official" launch of Digital Radio. I thoroughly enjoyed it. In the main "tent" there were about 30 different models of DAB+ radios available for sale here in Oz! It wasn't hugely successful. Probably about 2000 interested people were there. But it was a darned sight better than the intro of AM stereo in 1985. And there was one little unit that just looks right for me. An iRiver (new brand to me) "walkman" that also has 8Gb for storing mp3 files - so a DAB+ radio and iPod all in one. I listened to it for about 25 minutes and Magic and 3MP sounded wonderful on it. And better still, Sangean has another cheaper DAB+ "walkman" due out in October. My wishes are seemingly coming true. I can now see that DAB+ is going to be a feature of Oz radio at least for the medium term. Two of the successful British suppliers, Roberts and Pure, are here, as are Yamaha, iRiver, Bush, Grundig, and (God love them) Sangean. Eat your heart out Sony!! Maybe I'm biased, but I believe that Oz has selected the best system for the future. We are ahead of most countries with DAB+. If this system is let loose in Japan and Korea there simply will be no looking back. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Thu Aug 06 03:26:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46737 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2009 10:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2009 10:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2009 10:26:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2009 10:24:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2009 10:24:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:24:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.70.94.58 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Converter Boards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=BVBNkqVaHNupm_uZDADyKsPBaTzAJZw_P7zBVRL3_8IJty_BbhNV X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You write: >Might you know of a source for the Motorola MC13022AP? I just=20 >need a couple. I am not in the business of manufacturing or=20 >selling anything. I am an enthusiast and hobbyist. That is, I=20 >am not a competitor. We have two MC13022P DIP style chips, never used. We can sell=20 for $5 each postpaid. Keep in mind that MC13022P chips are more difficult to implement, as they need a tuned I.F circuit on pins 2=20 and 3, and audio notch filters on pins 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 13. Consult the Mot data sheet. Also, they have very aggressive stereo blending to monaural, in what is considered minimal skywave interference. They will not function at all with manually-tuned receivers. You must have a digital synthesized tuner.=20=20 We have MC13028-based AM stereo decoder boards for $25 each postpaid. Each decoder chip needs between 90 to 120mV p-p input=20 at 450kHz I.F from a digital- or manual-tuned AM receiver. We can send you a PayPal invoice. 73, Jeff- http://meduci.com From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Aug 06 03:56:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46674 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2009 10:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2009 10:56:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f178.google.com) (209.85.210.178) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2009 10:56:01 -0000 X-Received: by yxe8 with SMTP id 8so970228yxe.26 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:54:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.90.67.6 with SMTP id p6mr4874423aga.100.1249556099264; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.207.74? (dialup-4.152.207.74.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.207.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm6309571agc.19.2009.08.06.03.54.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A7AB673.4010801@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 06:54:43 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20090804.094345.26667.44630@mailpop03.dca.untd.com> <4A786B9D.3040000@gmail.com> <287125.78058.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A78758A.6000100@gmail.com> <186508.50914.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A78DF6B.9090305@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Jss6Z0rgsdZ6aqr_Kb3fmdD8amCHpsRInmGKXa_KQ0qUsxBZe8LFYJ-exbersQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > speaking of radio automation packages any one know of any for mac platform? Radio Logic http://macinmind.com/?pid=2&progid=5&subpid=1 and MegaSeg http://www.megaseg.com/ -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 06 09:13:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7054 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2009 16:13:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Aug 2009 16:13:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 2009 16:13:00 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n76GCFLA008006 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:12:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.bc3.50389276 (39331); Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:12:09 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: MJGRANT@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Converter Boards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=g7UqEMYAWlRWsRPeFORf5CLor9yr7HZjhVugmO82nS2r7tgvAiCcwZ_Vaqgagsip X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Jeff. Based on your advice, I may just buy one of your MC13028 based boards. The Hallicrafter SX-99 puts out VOLTS, and not a few of them, from its final IF transformer. That's why I was looking to the less sensitive MC13022. I added a cathode follower to buffer the IF output as well as a pad to match 75 ohms, which allows the use of a regular RCA to RCA video cable. I can just increase the attenuation of the pad. The maximum input to the MC13028 is 90 dBu or about 32 mV, right? The Hallicrafter grounds one side of the 6.3 volt heater supply, so I can use a halfwave doubler and 8 volt regulator to derive a supply. I have a dated browser (IE5), so maybe I am not seeing everything your website. I can find a product and price list on the link you gave me. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Aug 06 17:19:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93069 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2009 00:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2009 00:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.251) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2009 00:19:01 -0000 X-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so300550and.38 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:18:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.139.3 with SMTP id m3mr12790470and.189.1249604281362; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.159? (dialup-4.152.204.159.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.159]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d29sm2460662and.18.2009.08.06.17.17.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A7B72B0.8070305@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:17:52 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, ABDX@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.132.251 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Sony CFD-922 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=t4t-h1vNGpnzx410YCr7zihrF-gynYPrZo03lq8eE4eEExst7b9tYqUjCtYp4w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Does anybody know if the March of 2000 Vintage Sony CFD-922 AM-FM-CD-Tape BoomBox has the "place on the board" or can be modded for AM Stereo without butchering it? Today, I was mulling around the Salvation Army Thrift Store in Mauldin, SC and there was this Boom Box playing WASC 1530, a 1KW Daytimer over 22 Miles away! There, in the Brick and Steel Building with all of the TVs, Computers, and Lights, this little Purple Boom Box was dragging in WASC with just the Built-In Antenna. Needless to say, I gave 'em the $20 Price and took it home with me. :-) -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Aug 06 19:35:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66235 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2009 02:35:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2009 02:35:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2009 02:35:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2009 02:34:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2009 02:34:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:34:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "Johnny Electron" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Converter Boards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=3V5yZoWOqtQjmLx3yxD_ZHU3t7g1P5B81M_ILEpAKt1vfR7miHJYGNI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mike, do you want the MC13022, or will the old MC13020P or the last AMS chi= p, the MC13028 work? I think the MC13022 is what Chrysler used in their super-duper AM Stereo tu= ners with the 5 band EQ and 'joystick' speaker faders. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Aug 06 20:37:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18734 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2009 03:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2009 03:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2009 03:37:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61030 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Aug 2009 03:37:29 -0000 Message-ID: <432461.60549.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: N4yjXqgVM1nl.EzQHJqZm7eCxf_BJYtbJsGxAEsvfGlVSU9EgyciORfZYT6cQ88Q0kkIJadiNY.4FtolgBBmeWg4LnJJcL_AIoHwypFsh9CYhaxQMPwQ2bBcdiclMuVv.zvLsi1e5CS3OXeN_xh_Aks07wcZqwt6lAPIMdA0pN7Tn8aczkIP7Mr5BqbaauFAwiip0GolC07VdGz1RSqKLIdoVJfFYIAzuEDJnKiH3SREFRcZ1_1xljSN6isHxTCJrdwK4Tawbed2pxmMNvW1qVdKtnkJCkKtt3ZGYV0.6ts4T6W43zKt2XiotNNN2DgdOM_uVND5Z04KhaE0UH4T0_8ek_2NxGEJZNhhMxCp3PdOfS4B X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:37:29 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:37:29 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hallicrafter DX99 Modification to AM Stereo on All Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=WNj56c_ex_vAeUQrr2Xd4IvYYYiNtFpM0FBZS_tPsXXTUg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, you made me smile, Mike, saying numbers like 6SN7, 6H6...it has a much = nicer ring than, say, 2SB470, or 2N3055! =A0Are you going to install a C-QU= AM board in it?Can I assume this will much improve the audio even on mono A= M stations, by virtue of the synchronous detection? =A0Have fun, those old = Hallies are a blast!G --- On Wed, 8/5/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: {AMSF} Hallicrafter DX99 Modification to AM Stereo on All Bands To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: MJGRANT@aol.com Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 7:37 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 While I am still trying to wrap my head around the "Noise= Limiter" in this=20 set, I did manage to extract what I believe it the detector portion of the= =20 circuit which I have redrawn for clarity. The goal is to keep the receiver as close to the original as possible while= =20 providing a 75 ohm IF output in the 5 mV to 1 V range. The AVC function=20 must be maintained, so some kind of detector needs to the implemented. I a= m=20 hoping changing the detector and audio circuits somewhat, substituting some= =20 different tubes, and reassigning another will work. The 75 ohm output will require a cathode follower to buffer the last IF=20 transformer. For this, I intend to substitute a 6SN7GTB for the 6K6GT pent= ode=20 output. The set does not have an internal speaker anyway. It does have a= =20 headphone jack. My intent is to use one section of 6SN7 as the IF output=20 follower and the other as a headphone amplifier producing several hundred=20 milliwatts of undistorted output which should suffice and most likely would= sound=20 better than the pentode without feedback. The original detector used a 6H6 diode detector in one leg of the last IF,= =20 taking the output off the other leg. This did not allow for driving the=20 follower. So one leg of the last IF was grounded with the other driving th= e=20 new 6SN7 cathode follower. In addition to driving the 75 ohm output throug= h a=20 pad, the full output is used to drive a halfwave voltage doubler. The=20 halfwave doubler conveniently has an input capacitor which blocks the quies= cent=20 voltage present at the output of the cathode follower. A 6SZ7 is=20 substituted for the 6SC7 used in the BFO circuit. The tubes have very simi= lar=20 characteristics and are both operated with the cathode grounded. The 6SZ7 = provides=20 two diode sections sharing this grounded cathode which are used to=20 implement part of the doubler. In addition, the 6SZ7 has a 150 mA heater = instead=20 of the 6SC7 300 mA heater which compensates for the addition heater current= =20 of the 6SN7 over the existing 6K6 (600mA vs. 400 mA). The 6H6 section used= =20 in the original detector is reassigned to complete the doubler. The output= =20 of the original detector drove the AVC line used upstream in the receiver=20 through a 2.2 meg resistor. As the output of the doubler is twice that of = the=20 original halfwave detector, a voltage divider halves the output voltage=20 while maintaining the approximate 2.2 meg series resistance. So if Theveni= n was=20 correct, the receiver should see no difference in function. As the detected audio is also doubled, the output should be sufficient to=20 drive the 6SN7 headphone amplifier without the original intervening 6SC7=20 voltage amplifier which had been eliminated. The remaining half of the 6H6= will=20 remain part of the Noise Limiter circuitry which will remain intact. Schematics attached. Any thoughts, comments, or suggestions? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 06 20:55:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90165 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2009 03:55:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2009 03:55:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2009 03:55:16 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n773sjcp031789 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:54:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.d4f.58d1d99c (14467) for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:54:43 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM Stereo Converter Boards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zXOEUUx9MW3Kkh-swx-i5qWZxaxrqgOpvt86szUvkF8Oowe9drb2kAKC3aMrZMzB X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2009 9:35:51 PM Central Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Mike, do you want the MC13022, or will the old MC13020P or the last AMS > chip, the MC13028 work? > According to our friend Jeff Deck, who has alot experience in these matters, tells me the MC13022 won't work. I don't need the sensitivity of the 028, but Jeff has a whole decoder laid out on a board. As soon as I can get an antenna up, can we try a one-way test transmission with my Sony $500 communications receiver? I mean just having you do a CQ on a specific frequency at a specific time. The Sony can't do AMS, but if it isn't sensitive enough, I doubt the DX-99 would be. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072& hmpgID=115&bcd=JulystepsfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Aug 06 21:02:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77535 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2009 04:02:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2009 04:02:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2009 04:02:20 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7741jS8029396 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:01:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id r.cd0.474baa15 (14467) for ; Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:01:41 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Hallicrafter DX99 Modification to AM Stereo on All Bands X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=wv7OaAC-mBaSqxWW60vapER9o6KyS3ZLtQYm4DOyK6812wbzauwFFprC31ULbgoq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2009 10:37:46 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Ah, you made me smile, Mike, saying numbers like 6SN7, 6H6...it has a > much nicer ring than, say, 2SB470, or 2N3055! Are you going to install a > C-QUAM board in it? I was just going to modify the SX-99 slightly, using the techology it was built with, to provide a bufferred 75 ohm IF output to drive an external decoder. Minimal. No drilling, etc.. So it can be easily returned to its original state. The regular envelope detector, its ANL, and headphone output will remain functional. It's a classic peice of gear I don't want to butcher. I can use a pair of amplified computer speakers with the AMS decoder. Mike ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115& bcd=JulystepsfooterNO115) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Aug 07 06:48:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63604 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2009 13:48:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2009 13:48:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2009 13:48:26 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (mailpop11.dca.untd.com [10.171.45.31]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFH2NFBA56FDKJ for (sender ); Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:48:17 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2GIEMURlFu80KGSLpWWvDA= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by mailpop11.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PPC8WP8M; Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:47:58 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:46:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Email Client 8.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-20 Message-Id: <20090807.064758.8663.50107@mailpop11.dca.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3830534751 X-MAIL-INFO:18d8dd88dd8838dc88b5f859c18d9dbc11712c28bc05adad99cd05f5c531d1a8a1b9dcf8d128d8a888e9d1c8c891d9b54d18d99138918c1c910901f1ac1c X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.45.31|mailpop11.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: w6yn Subject: Music radio misses the boat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=XAkvLLbppoRGifyvKnX6YzU8VGTDjXZEg0V_N5Mj9w X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Music radio misses the boat. “Listeners to a typical CHR or AC station in the U.S. are 15 times more likely to hear the station plug its website or on-air contest than to hear a comment about the music.” Alan Burns & Associates just finished a major study of the verbal content of stations in markets 10-100, analyzing daytime hours. Among the findings – 40.3% of breaks were devoted to contests, website or text-program mentions. Just 3% included comments about music “other than mentions of title or artist.” Alan says “The typical station isn’t embracing its music. No one wants to hear an air personality drone on about an artist, but what’s missing is a sense of enthusiasm about the music, excitement over a great new song, or an interesting bit of information about an artist the station plays.” He asks “Why should the audience be passionate about a station’s music if the station itself doesn’t reflect any excitement or interest?” So – to paraphrase – music radio is often cutting itself off from material that could help it bond with the listener. Hey, Casey Kasem knows all about this territory. See the Burns study at http://www.burnsradio.com/articles/content_analysis.htm From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Fri Aug 07 13:56:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80185 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2009 20:56:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2009 20:56:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2009 20:56:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2009 20:56:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2009 20:56:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:56:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090804.094345.26667.44630@mailpop03.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=zh8bcN_p3CNG5JtX2tOckEePG3Zwi177qDSZ8gRXQIpRXEIEojDVA8Si X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon While these attempts at "citizen journalism" may be noble, I think that the= y miss an important point: the reason that reporters who work large, recogn= ized news outlets have clout is because thousands (if not millions) people = watch, hear, or read their work. Blowing off a reporter who works for CNN,= the AP, or Time would likely be a huge public relations disaster. I don't= think that citizen journalism will ever gain that kind of clout because it= s audience is more fragmented, and that audience will continue to become ev= en more fragmented as the citizen journalism movement grows. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, w6yn wrote: > > Google's YouTube to compete in local news.=20 > Just when you thought radio couldn't get any more competition=85Google > shows up again, with a new service named "News Near You." If > Google-the-aggregator is a royal pain for newspapers (taking content > without returning revenue), then News Near You is a jab at local > broadcast media, which has been shrinking its local news presence. The > New York Times sees it as a rival to TV news - but the Times just seems > to have TV on the mind, because of the visual aspect. It's just as much a > competitor to radio. The contributions to News Near You sometimes come > from local radio stations. But mostly they're from newspapers, colleges > and (as the Times says) "a fledgling San Francisco outfit called VidSF, > three friends who despise the local TV diet of fires and homicides." > There will be more guerilla startups like that, offering a diet of local > happenings that supplants TV, radio and papers. And Google gets the > chance to make some more money, placing ads against the video. Smart > radio stations are looking for ways to be local =96 and to put local vide= o > on their Web sites. If they don't do it, rest assured that somebody else > will. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 08 09:24:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70132 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2009 16:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2009 16:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2009 16:24:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2009 16:23:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2009 16:23:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:23:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.103 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Digital in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=zuBECy8Eivzgx6Kv3SpYyaLWE7Br8jQl5I2nTrnF4uTD7aqboQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! UNFORTUNATELY, and apparently, Chile will adopt the japanese ISDB-T digital= system to transmit HDTV. I guess it means that Chile also will adopt the I= SDB system to radio bands. Can somebody tell me where can I get some technical explanation about the I= SDB system? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Aug 08 09:25:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16962 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2009 16:24:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2009 16:24:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2009 16:24:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2009 16:24:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2009 16:24:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:24:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <877608.34485.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.103 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Audio Stream to Internet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=pUgXz0kKOpY6aLRpiZVqN9FFg1Oexo-1x0VxXeUSK6tyEkBBwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > Yes, a BARIX box.=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 What is this? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 08 15:33:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62302 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2009 22:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2009 22:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2009 22:33:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.121] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090808173223102716500010.0) with SMTP id <20090808173223102716500010> for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:32:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004501ca1878$9a4d9bc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:32:23 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} 4-1000A tube socket X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=tuiHDkB4CxRN-DgMHdhcBWuHZssKT4ipYYyjL2K_n_kRJak7fVnL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm glad you got it finally. I wish I could help you on the mixer but I do= n't know of anyone who has one nor have I ever seen a station with one. If= I hear of one that is available I'll let you know. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: {AMSF} 4-1000A tube socket Hi Scott!!! Excuse me by the delay, I had some problems here (you know: we are in win= ter here, so cold, the typical flu, some fever, etc.) Now I have in my hands the 4-1000 tube socket, safe and sound (hehehe). I don't know how to thank you. I really owe you one, brother!!! Well, now you know I'm here. By the way, I wonder if you knew the old (but so good) McMartin B-502 ste= reo mixer and if you know about some good price / good state specimen. THANKS A LOT, BROTHER!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 08 15:51:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73002 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2009 22:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2009 22:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2009 22:51:25 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.121] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090808175041101409800010.0) with SMTP id <20090808175041101409800010> for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:50:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009901ca187b$28de9400$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <877608.34485.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:50:41 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Audio Stream to Internet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=0AQ1O_v9Ag97-9YQEb5MZVchnktnh8ypbUXdIBdnAPGHtC4Lf2zP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For streaming you can use the earlier and cheaper model 100. The newer 100= 0 has a lot of features you would never use for just an internet stream. N= ot all streaming providers will take a Barix stream, however. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Powell E. Way III=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:05 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Audio Stream to Internet Yes, a BARIX box.=20 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Wed, 8/5/09, jotape1960 wrote: > From: jotape1960 > Subject: {AMSF} Audio Stream to Internet > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 11:09 AM > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Excuse my ignorance, but I need to know if there is a way > to put my station "on-air" audio into the Internet world > WITHOUT to have to use a PC as interface. >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 08 16:02:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86760 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2009 23:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2009 23:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2009 23:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.121] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090808180156102710100010.0) with SMTP id <20090808180156102710100010> for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:01:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00dc01ca187c$bb37fb60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:01:56 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Converter Boards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=UmPzeM5gwjQ81mRcgVOZmFUM9DafFpJFX80TEMIQ5eetM-PK2vw7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff, I happen to have one of those chips too. I attempted to make a PC board for it, but wasn't successful. Would you happen to have a board made up for it? It will be going into a digitally tuned radio. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jeffdeck2001 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:26 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo Converter Boards You write: >Might you know of a source for the Motorola MC13022AP? I just >need a couple. I am not in the business of manufacturing or >selling anything. I am an enthusiast and hobbyist. That is, I >am not a competitor. We have two MC13022P DIP style chips, never used. We can sell for $5 each postpaid. Keep in mind that MC13022P chips are more difficult to implement, as they need a tuned I.F circuit on pins 2 and 3, and audio notch filters on pins 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 13. Consult the Mot data sheet. Also, they have very aggressive stereo blending to monaural, in what is considered minimal skywave interference. They will not function at all with manually-tuned receivers. You must have a digital synthesized tuner. We have MC13028-based AM stereo decoder boards for $25 each postpaid. Each decoder chip needs between 90 to 120mV p-p input at 450kHz I.F from a digital- or manual-tuned AM receiver. We can send you a PayPal invoice. 73, Jeff- http://meduci.com --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 08 16:21:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92836 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2009 23:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2009 23:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2009 23:21:14 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.121] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090808182022101413900010.0) with SMTP id <20090808182022101413900010> for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:20:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <013b01ca187f$4e8913c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:20:22 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: More competition for radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=HGbOOSKyETLqt1CHUlg6y_lzbIt_pAs9FyW8TFrFnR_Wcm3pvXDk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Considering how easily and how soon bloggers are exposing fakery in the mainstream media, to wit- the fake memo that forced Dan Rather's retirement during the Bush years, I don't think said "large, recognized news outlets " have a lot of clout left. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: alfredotorrejon To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:56 PM While these attempts at "citizen journalism" may be noble, I think that they miss an important point: the reason that reporters who work large, recognized news outlets have clout is because thousands (if not millions) people watch, hear, or read their work. Blowing off a reporter who works for CNN, the AP, or Time would likely be a huge public relations disaster. I don't think that citizen journalism will ever gain that kind of clout because its audience is more fragmented, and that audience will continue to become even more fragmented as the citizen journalism movement grows. --Alfredo --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Aug 08 16:37:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16410 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2009 23:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2009 23:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2009 23:37:06 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.121] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090808183632103261700010.0) with SMTP id <20090808183632103261700010> for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:36:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018201ca1881$908eb5c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <4A7B72B0.8070305@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:36:32 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony CFD-922 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=dEvHOnMAPaVBJu14codfRSZG3HkF75JELc4aW_nbNqY2BNxS2TIV X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suppose your best bet is to Google for a schematic of the thing and go from there. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com ; ABDX@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:19 PM Subject: {AMSF} Sony CFD-922 Does anybody know if the March of 2000 Vintage Sony CFD-922 AM-FM-CD-Tape BoomBox has the "place on the board" or can be modded for AM Stereo without butchering it? Today, I was mulling around the Salvation Army Thrift Store in Mauldin, SC and there was this Boom Box playing WASC 1530, a 1KW Daytimer over 22 Miles away! There, in the Brick and Steel Building with all of the TVs, Computers, and Lights, this little Purple Boom Box was dragging in WASC with just the Built-In Antenna. Needless to say, I gave 'em the $20 Price and took it home with me. :-) -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Sat Aug 08 21:42:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26857 invoked from network); 9 Aug 2009 04:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Aug 2009 04:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2009 04:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2009 04:42:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Aug 2009 04:42:07 -0000 Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 04:42:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.168.51.10 From: "alfredotorrejon" Subject: Re: Digital in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=YaMPRMwnm4HbS-Igj4YJgRE59DUJLvKFGPmL6QKcFHRnGAPrTZUFkgXP X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Hopefully, ISDB is more robust than the 8-VSB DTV system used in the USA. = The DTV system in use in the USA was not designed to handle rapidly changin= g multipath conditions. It is therefore impractical for portable TVs becau= se if one of those TVs is taken on board a train, bus, or auto, it will sto= p working or work very erratically when the vehicle is in motion. A friend and I tried an experiment with 8-VSB DTV reception in a moving veh= icle. We tried two different receivers (a HUMAX set-top tuner and a tuner = designed to connect to a computer USB port) and two antennas (a UHF dipole = and a UHF twin bowtie with reflector). Reception was possible only as long= as there was a relatively unobstructed line-of-sight path to the transmitt= ing antenna. Even minor obstructions, such as a bridge, houses, or groups = of trees caused reception to drop out. At one point during the test, we we= re stopped at an intersection, waiting for a traffic light to change. Ther= e was no direct path to the transmitting antenna from this location. After= being there for some ten seconds without moving, the receiver locked on to= the DTV signal. However, the reception died when another car passed by in= an adjacent lane. With the HUMAX tuner, signal interruptions caused loss of both the audio an= d video lasting approximately 5 seconds or longer. The tuner displayed an = animated drawing of a magnifying glass ("SEARCHING FOR SIGNAL") under these= conditions. The USB PC tuner fared worse, causing the computer to lock up= several times! The FCC made a big mistake in picking this system. They should have waited= a few years (8-VSB was originally evaluated in 1996!) until something bett= er was developed. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > UNFORTUNATELY, and apparently, Chile will adopt the japanese ISDB-T digit= al system to transmit HDTV. I guess it means that Chile also will adopt the= ISDB system to radio bands. >=20 > Can somebody tell me where can I get some technical explanation about the= ISDB system? >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Aug 09 21:54:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10660 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2009 04:54:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2009 04:54:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f179.google.com) (209.85.222.179) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2009 04:54:05 -0000 X-Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9so2742475pzk.21 for ; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:53:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.135.2 with SMTP id i2mr5786295wad.67.1249880005843; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.64? (71-214-164-252.tcso.qwest.net [71.214.164.252]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n40sm6512730wag.65.2009.08.09.21.53.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009901ca187b$28de9400$d503fea9@stodd> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 21:53:23 -0700 References: <877608.34485.qm@web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <009901ca187b$28de9400$d503fea9@stodd> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Audio Stream to Internet X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=UOl_NbFGhHgnyNzS15JhT8C8x5JTHOMzrLR9UcbKsDkK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what is the website and how much does this cost? On Aug 8, 2009, at 3:50 PM, wrote: > For streaming you can use the earlier and cheaper model 100. The=20=20 > newer 1000 has a lot of features you would never use for just an=20=20 > internet stream. Not all streaming providers will take a Barix=20=20 > stream, however. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Powell E. Way III > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:05 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Audio Stream to Internet > > Yes, a BARIX box. > > NNNN > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net > > --- On Wed, 8/5/09, jotape1960 wrote: > > > From: jotape1960 > > Subject: {AMSF} Audio Stream to Internet > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 11:09 AM > > Hi Gang!!! > > > > Excuse my ignorance, but I need to know if there is a way > > to put my station "on-air" audio into the Internet world > > WITHOUT to have to use a PC as interface. > > > > Thanks for your time!!! > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > mailto:amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html=20 > --- > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Aug 09 22:13:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33369 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2009 05:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2009 05:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f172.google.com) (209.85.222.172) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2009 05:13:20 -0000 X-Received: by pzk2 with SMTP id 2so2711611pzk.30 for ; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:13:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.114.81.12 with SMTP id e12mr5789509wab.6.1249881190617; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.64? (71-214-164-252.tcso.qwest.net [71.214.164.252]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d20sm6563346waa.47.2009.08.09.22.13.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5261C5B1-6F87-4813-BCCB-FAFB04F741B0@gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:12:37 -0700 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Digital in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=FodT_KTgwA68OExw-688eOexsUQ6FYHT0Z46ekvDpqvn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what is used in uk On Aug 8, 2009, at 9:42 PM, alfredotorrejon wrote: > Hopefully, ISDB is more robust than the 8-VSB DTV system used in the=20=20 > USA. The DTV system in use in the USA was not designed to handle=20=20 > rapidly changing multipath conditions. It is therefore impractical=20=20 > for portable TVs because if one of those TVs is taken on board a=20=20 > train, bus, or auto, it will stop working or work very erratically=20=20 > when the vehicle is in motion. > > A friend and I tried an experiment with 8-VSB DTV reception in a=20=20 > moving vehicle. We tried two different receivers (a HUMAX set-top=20=20 > tuner and a tuner designed to connect to a computer USB port) and=20=20 > two antennas (a UHF dipole and a UHF twin bowtie with reflector).=20=20 > Reception was possible only as long as there was a relatively=20=20 > unobstructed line-of-sight path to the transmitting antenna. Even=20=20 > minor obstructions, such as a bridge, houses, or groups of trees=20=20 > caused reception to drop out. At one point during the test, we were=20=20 > stopped at an intersection, waiting for a traffic light to change.=20=20 > There was no direct path to the transmitting antenna from this=20=20 > location. After being there for some ten seconds without moving, the=20=20 > receiver locked on to the DTV signal. However, the reception died=20=20 > when another car passed by in an adjacent lane. > > With the HUMAX tuner, signal interruptions caused loss of both the=20=20 > audio and video lasting approximately 5 seconds or longer. The tuner=20=20 > displayed an animated drawing of a magnifying glass ("SEARCHING FOR=20=20 > SIGNAL") under these conditions. The USB PC tuner fared worse,=20=20 > causing the computer to lock up several times! > > The FCC made a big mistake in picking this system. They should have=20=20 > waited a few years (8-VSB was originally evaluated in 1996!) until=20=20 > something better was developed. > > --Alfredo > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" =20=20 > wrote: > > > > Hi Gang!!! > > > > UNFORTUNATELY, and apparently, Chile will adopt the japanese ISDB-=20 > T digital system to transmit HDTV. I guess it means that Chile also=20=20 > will adopt the ISDB system to radio bands. > > > > Can somebody tell me where can I get some technical explanation=20=20 > about the ISDB system? > > > > Thanks for your time!!! > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > >=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 12:03:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42844 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2009 19:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2009 19:03:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2009 19:03:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73358 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2009 19:03:01 -0000 Message-ID: <188578.72935.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5IApRAkVM1mRgTN8rQjnfmY1yjgljvQVma155JYKfkiIS7aOT2wG9pivzpxtMifMwBc_zBpPEGErlfWqZxxZBHpsgj8xv6LVLr1wpF0ENdYVJ4XrDftJ3sADjVTcor7zUdry_cGP5rS1xB.Y_PUjYqPtiOejFK4dXd9Gksj1xvKVvy6Gk9b6gmEQ4eLTpaqgipaqoZo7hvUlsgjQaQfsQF1zIEJUy0krB3AMQFKphVA2E5ge6BI.TQvmvSY36vOLxd5j9AoNoVlUXVg8.phljbOOwyAqRmjm_iyHHUyXFECtuZDSDgOD X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:03:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:03:01 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WOWO stereo jingle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=zvGa3zyzBjMJTKniXkry3h3LWgzPS_c6diziN4vnuMnAiRUEcQIM440 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Check out the 1982 JAM Jingle from WOWO - one of them is "STEREO 1190, WOWO" - don't we still wish! I don't know if their HD is even in stereo, all I know is they lost a load of coverage of the Eastern US at night with their putrid 9800W of power while the 50KW went to NYC WLIB, and if I'm not mistaken, the ratings for WLIB are in the tank. Wish WOWO was back to their 50KW, in AM stereo, at night. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 12:08:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86068 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2009 19:08:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Aug 2009 19:08:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.68.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 2009 19:08:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30719 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Aug 2009 19:07:55 -0000 Message-ID: <734172.29839.qm@web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: luBdkO8VM1khWcV_h02obeUSGJTgsMfM_eJ.4jQnT3o4tqZ_D8G5Bl7vNt25pya_3A1slyklMyNxi_ghurjHoFdOFl0KWS5ryVDD9uXISjdujp9l.KUsap0JVtiJH2f1AHYuWTijCI2rsBvkXq3eyqoIw1pM.7TVumqaeuNEFrj9mt31XEl_DFza4GC7fZKn_UbWLFHgHmNArqMPbMsjGeJHsGWXPohG2F7Pv4dICxVSPNJPmXAkP87_Gwk7qZsTglNoWjiMYce0uTLhik7AXYOoRWUF1IiO0zKsxZmb09DjXLzMjq0eRWJuM_QV.x3apSDWDanxPnMxwA-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web34705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:07:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 References: <188578.72935.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:07:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <188578.72935.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 209.191.68.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=e-CnZhdo_sLkCiWbOO-BgY2e5zyJ6kG3UDjPj0klA7g X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The=A0pattern is tighter also.=A0 I get it almost as well as I used to but = with talk who cares. Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: John P. Check out the 1982 JAM Jingle from WOWO - one of them is "STEREO 1190, WOWO= " - don't we still wish!=A0 I don't know if their HD is even in stereo, all= I know is they lost a load of coverage of the Eastern US at night with the= ir putrid 9800W of power while the 50KW went to NYC WLIB, and if I'm not mi= staken, the ratings for WLIB are in the tank.=A0 Wish WOWO was back to thei= r 50KW, in AM stereo, at night. From w6yn@juno.com Mon Aug 10 17:31:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71975 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2009 00:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2009 00:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2009 00:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (mailpop09.dca.untd.com [10.171.45.29]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFJBQ66AWTCE7J for (sender ); Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:30:20 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD/b1N4/YOztVeoJKdipVs38= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by mailpop09.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PPM4UHQX; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:30:01 PDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:28:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Email Client 8.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20090810.173001.6716.52718@mailpop09.dca.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 4:6:344051697 X-MAIL-INFO:4f85850411740171749dd9d971d9b90551d424c43194f421f5543041 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.45.29|mailpop09.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: w6yn Subject: Another AM talker for LA X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=nNM5IsSz-M2iUGe1ZY7UUhwYywsrCeILpRuryvpAgA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn CBS Radio's all-news KFWB-AM, Los Angeles veers toward talk The big swing vote was Dr. Laura Schlessinger, coming over from Clear Channel’s KFI (640). (Update: LARadio.com is reporting that KFI is adding a second daily Bill Handel show, from noon to 2pm. He'll continue his morning drive show.) Market Manager Ed Krampf says “when the opportunity to add Dr. Laura became available, we moved swiftly.” The Take On The Day advice-talker will anchor noon-3pm, Pacific Time. Here’s the new schedule that debuts after Labor Day, on September 8: Local News with Phil Hulett and Penny Griego, 6-9am. Laura Ingraham, 9am to noon. Dr. Laura, noon to 3pm. A 3pm to 6pm local talk/news block, with talent to be announced. Then Philadelphia-based Michael Smerconish, 6 to 9pm. CBS didn’t announce a lineup for the 9pm to 6am hours. The move toward talk should save CBS some salary money. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 18:03:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43361 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2009 01:03:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2009 01:03:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2009 01:03:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54051 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2009 01:03:09 -0000 Message-ID: <193812.53322.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hsGSKLQVM1msslR7pj9vP52x130QnX32f4iCR1Tuf.JkuF9MA.xTFGIAQO6hX49v64ZqKgcOEjAF1aBCWqBcK7tOJhwhX9s2aRb1szruAAoRwWJdS1xeoR1H7d_fZZoFcvYE9W1Zqvc31H4J4vz6ImE9HB.ka6t55dB8jan2QrwVhEWDPrrvbY_hUstz1zmzr_zRCRU7qpikbLTVqgnjeVZ46FwzRYati82vwsvZmRcAoiiz.gKZDnxEY5z8Mb_hpL1qFM3gy0CXCHMO9_LKDC3lQsdx7DUZ01qzJFl80N1DnyEiCWmLot7l.HlM X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:03:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:03:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <188578.72935.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=L9EQselT_QZdWnShfTsKovQQI_9rG--cpFPD291zS3kp4A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable where can I hear it at? =A0got a link? =A0thanx, G --- On Mon, 8/10/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 3:03 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 Check out the 1982 JAM Jingle from WOWO - one of them is = "STEREO 1190, WOWO" - don't we still wish! I don't know if their HD is eve= n in stereo, all I know is they lost a load of coverage of the Eastern US a= t night with their putrid 9800W of power while the 50KW went to NYC WLIB, a= nd if I'm not mistaken, the ratings for WLIB are in the tank. Wish WOWO wa= s back to their 50KW, in AM stereo, at night. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Mon Aug 10 18:56:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48579 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2009 01:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2009 01:56:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.178) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2009 01:56:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45103 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2009 01:56:46 -0000 Message-ID: <89261.37894.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: HxlJKTMVM1m5JefgJ3kulJcAPoPSBkzxYFbi6Fm9Ka4syYNMTJsHg9JJ X-Received: from [71.120.172.253] by web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:56:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:56:45 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <193812.53322.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=7XAMEKTfIQmWj64L7dyyq7RHBzjMXJ1gYKWnJflmVrOqL6fgP_Mr X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable George, =A0 As you may remember, I am in the long drawn out process of finding archival= storage for all my AM Stereo documents and equipment. =A0 I have (31) 7 inch reel-to-reel tapes.=A0 All of the NAMSRC OTA and Lab aud= io tests with Magnavox, Motorola, and Belar are part of the tape collection= .=A0 Many of the tapes are off-the-air recordings from WOWO, as well as oth= er Magnavox AM Stereo system recordings.=A0=20 =A0 Sweetwater Sound in Fort Wayne is in the process of (I hope) transcribing t= hem to digital format.=A0 Since the transcription is done during idle time,= it will be a bit yet before any of the CDs are available.=A0 You may find = some of the recordings (like the WOWO demonstration of AM Stereo audio proc= essing for the Magnavox system versus the others) very interesting.=A0 I ho= pe the tapes will play back successfully after all this time in storage. =A0 I also have a large number of cassettes of various AM Stereo OTA tests, but= I hope to have some time this winter to digitize them. =A0 Obviously, once the information is digitized, it can be easily shared. =A0 Otherwide, the archiving is going very slowly.=A0 It is disappointing to se= e the number of broadcast archival and historical organizations going dark = due to the economy.=A0 At least my stuff is not at one of those places. =A0 Bob Streeter --- On Mon, 8/10/09, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 9:03 PM where can I hear it at? =A0got a link? =A0thanx, G --- On Mon, 8/10/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 3:03 PM [ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Aug 10 21:55:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74145 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2009 04:55:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2009 04:55:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2009 04:55:05 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7B4sZ29021554 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:54:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c02.62c5837c (39330) for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:54:32 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=W57OxvPix9TEM2AtZYpZAeenwZhzU1OoMyFn9rsCXXUTBKbU9KBvr_vvh0Reu8MZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was in Fort Wayne last year for a friend's wedding for the first time. First time in Fort Wayne, not her first marriage. I saw the WOWO transmitter and antenna array site. I assume their studios are downtown? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 15:32:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91782 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2009 22:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2009 22:32:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2009 22:32:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65436 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2009 22:31:35 -0000 Message-ID: <954148.61372.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KqxKPWQVM1kAHWh3bgCQuCc4qp5aSQGJfYtiJtrLQOZwAEH59Bo8DKG0WaR8MP0zm8_lYfV3txzlTGSO.v6Mxc6ZPOqcdsvylfdlZJQbNM0asOY3aapHnJ90Oq9DczeBq4gbB0eboSdz8H9dcJlogaXV4ob0Yx3vD7MjfCuYj6lhA.VlF03pMhUNX52vAOqv_jFfCFVaFPZXx6kJA8aiIz1QllIaAiwJxd.bghGpuhK4Lkm9f1e36Vqs4bHoVi8fXGyks0egQ9o9kPbu7CZbGaOpK6XBdlupZZtnoWmN4xy8liAQXT5MpEA1pj8ysJ.46ediaUOPD4bBaJiI6ZrB6YangVDPByFCnnrY5e1Uqki0nmMf X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:31:34 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:31:34 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <89261.37894.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=LgLeLuRaTTPA-5AgQ049MjK3u7fEVrPcX_k2hFLvghXyXg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, I'm glad you still have all those recordings...what a piece of broadca= st history!Belar? =A0Wow, that's one system I never got to hear, can't wait= to see how that worked out.I hope your tapes are in safe hands!Regards,Geo= rge --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Robert Streeter wrote: From: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 9:56 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 George, =A0 As you may remember, I am in the long drawn out process of finding archival= storage for all my AM Stereo documents and equipment. =A0 I have (31) 7 inch reel-to-reel tapes.=A0 All of the NAMSRC OTA and Lab aud= io tests with Magnavox, Motorola, and Belar are part of the tape collection= .=A0 Many of the tapes are off-the-air recordings from WOWO, as well as oth= er Magnavox AM Stereo system recordings.=A0=20 =A0 Sweetwater Sound in Fort Wayne is in the process of (I hope) transcribing t= hem to digital format.=A0 Since the transcription is done during idle time,= it will be a bit yet before any of the CDs are available.=A0 You may find = some of the recordings (like the WOWO demonstration of AM Stereo audio proc= essing for the Magnavox system versus the others) very interesting.=A0 I ho= pe the tapes will play back successfully after all this time in storage. =A0 I also have a large number of cassettes of various AM Stereo OTA tests, but= I hope to have some time this winter to digitize them. =A0 Obviously, once the information is digitized, it can be easily shared. =A0 Otherwide, the archiving is going very slowly.=A0 It is disappointing to se= e the number of broadcast archival and historical organizations going dark = due to the economy.=A0 At least my stuff is not at one of those places. =A0 Bob Streeter --- On Mon, 8/10/09, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 9:03 PM where can I hear it at? =A0got a link? =A0thanx, G --- On Mon, 8/10/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 3:03 PM [ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Aug 11 15:33:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66782 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2009 22:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Aug 2009 22:33:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2009 22:33:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92165 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2009 22:33:33 -0000 Message-ID: <559402.90504.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RUNU8lIVM1l33tq2vGWEYUidP9EeKAGGBYpMPKRxNtd6qMglZgPVmLGc5OgqYsuVoYIUCB_wl.aNIZSk2d.7V3u.5yCwMiqMvWyGv5fZo.QdXuqc2XtE6WGddNFJKR0sbdvktirSRvxd1Ced8nW5t6OcC6taZ28ob0yctIu3XQDy2NO7tAhygqcyVpwSjDZ36sEuThWJeuwwfxJZ4edAJbUB5dgQJCo83rGCxRCts5lsNZUoEioFEGkBOufOl8xstk_VoLg5n7ra4YHcCqjK6k0S6OEPHdf2OrwZNZ5tScI5wFU1cfj_EDd6k216qPIl6Ck9NVYozQz26OKBBFyyrL.GuUtPieLVhxmoAcTNuGOTjeCY X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:33:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:33:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=3zaKsP6t2dOAb2vYBqQxXxiNzYc2-Xrr3uzEz6TCLRZcYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, they are downtown, just look for a big building with a legendary fire = escape and a big thermometer hanging on it!!! =A0Actually, they moved out o= f that building, the fire escape was cut up, and pieces of it given away...= would love to get a piece of THAT icon.George --- On Tue, 8/11/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 12:54 AM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 I was in Fort Wayne last year for a friend's wedding for = the first time.=20=20 First time in Fort Wayne, not her first marriage. I saw the WOWO transmitt= er=20 and antenna array site. I assume their studios are downtown? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 15:37:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5609 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2009 22:36:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2009 22:36:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2009 22:36:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72588 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Aug 2009 22:36:58 -0000 Message-ID: <964518.70977.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: VnP9c3oVM1l6GCFMikRtTxKQq7i9ngdc.4HEQQ66csu09sxPLUhIfJnaDgLG4.B004kezNU2mVvirbaAgrnUp2fCH6RqOKauBNSxJ_yzGxOSox6w3vls726AUlHdrhQX7ELvGqTKUWhXVQNV7H10eZcyu3Ms_DeNpN7Q1T5yALZyEIZVwIB5kg3zFq_rWnZVcsu6_QDbxVXUl9Y9y9Q_hJPBcpD_ucYa2MmfRZfIf64qWULX1VCLG72u7.XwjoJQ_.zEuhZpWkJ71bQ5jCYt5AtdOsri2wQyj4_8M8OA5WuLyN.kV94gumbpLkE- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:36:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:36:57 -0700 (PDT) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: BE AX-10 AM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=qD0qzXmfvRenbctpdVoZ2BhTrSPiqbJ9x25S_W6NkxvDLD2lBpHUGJs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Did anybody on the list here win the BE CQuam exciter that went for a cool grand on eBay? 73's John From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Aug 16 16:24:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64011 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2009 23:24:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Aug 2009 23:24:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2009 23:24:32 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.127] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090816182335101426900010.0) with SMTP id <20090816182335101426900010> for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:23:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005101ca1ec9$1fbfbe40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <964518.70977.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:23:35 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} BE AX-10 AM Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Qwco8aHInC8tru52yP60ab5_O95gst7qFfQB9fTN--CasnaJqYDj X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Certainly 'twasn't me, but it's a healthy sign that it went for that much. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:37 PM Subject: {AMSF} BE AX-10 AM Exciter Did anybody on the list here win the BE CQuam exciter that went for a cool grand on eBay? 73's John --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 03:50:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56643 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2009 10:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Aug 2009 10:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2009 10:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2009 10:49:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2009 10:49:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:49:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.6.92 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Converter Boards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=cd_FEdbBrjy9v9JZVu4-g3D9Wyqzo-dinxTA_wHTqT4iQwGJu5OI X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You write: >Thanks, Jeff. >=20 >Based on your advice, I may just buy one of your MC13028 based >boards. The Hallicrafter SX-99 puts out VOLTS, and not a few of >them, from its final IF transformer. That's why I was looking to >the less sensitive MC13022. I added a cathode follower to buffer >the IF output as well as a pad to match 75 ohms, which allows the >use of a regular RCA to RCA video cable. I can just increase the >attenuation of the pad. The maximum input to the MC13028 is 90 >dBu or about 32 mV, right? Motorola's data sheet says 86dBuV RMS at 10k-ohms impedance for=20 1.5% THD, which is approximately 56mV p-p input for MC13028A.=20=20 Sincerely, meduci, LLC From jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 17:45:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jeffdeck2001@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46433 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2009 00:45:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Aug 2009 00:45:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2009 00:45:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2009 00:45:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.15] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Aug 2009 00:45:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:45:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.85.6.92 From: "jeffdeck2001" Subject: Re: AM Stereo Converter Boards X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215054937; y=82o86RUxLH93uNyy0PpTFBpJciXZjRFYjZuuo9IB3LWZsSJtDMQm X-Yahoo-Profile: jeffdeck2001 You write: >Thanks, Jeff. > >Based on your advice, I may just buy one of your MC13028 based >boards. The Hallicrafter SX-99 puts out VOLTS, and not a few of >them, from its final IF transformer. That's why I was looking to >the less sensitive MC13022. I added a cathode follower to buffer >the IF output as well as a pad to match 75 ohms, which allows the >use of a regular RCA to RCA video cable. I can just increase the >attenuation of the pad. The maximum input to the MC13028 is 90 >dBu or about 32 mV, right? Depending on the AGC of the host tuner, the input signal can=20 vary from approximately 200uV p-p on the weakest stations to=20 120mV p-p (double sideband, 50% modulation) 450kHz I.F on the strongest AM stations. Motorola's data sheet says 86dBuV RMS at=20 10k-ohms impedance for 1.5% THD, which is approximately 56mV p-p input for MC13028A.=20=20 If your I.F signal is larger than 120mV p-p on local AM stations, you will need to pad it down with a voltage divider. There is internal 13.5k-ohm resistor in parallel from pin four to ground. You can place one leg of variable resistor from pin four=20 of MC13028A. Other leg goes to DC blocking capacitor (0.022uFd), then to output signal from tuner. Adjust the potentiometer to=20 obtain about 90mV p-p at pin four from the local C-QuAM station. There is substantial AGC action in the MC13028A, so the decoder's audio output level will remain consistent from weakest to strong=20 AM stations with 90mV p-p input from local stations. = =20 Sincerely, meduci, LLC From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Aug 20 19:53:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15393 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2009 02:53:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2009 02:53:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2009 02:53:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2009 02:52:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2009 02:52:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 02:52:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.50.104.221 From: "jotape1960" Subject: A very old song from th 1940's 78 RPM records X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=eP4cie2uudGqmggjgxeEnv9F0uaD2rne0Ph8V17AnF2i_EPJTA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I want to know the oppinion from expert people (like you) about the sound q= uality of an experiment I've done, now. You can get the file from the Files menu at the left. I played an old 78 RPM record in my Technics SL-1200MK2 turntable, with a S= hure M70B cartridge, at 45 RPM, and I save it in my PC with the Cool Edit P= ro 2 software. Then I converted the speed with one of the tools of the CEP2= menu and I used filters to eliminate the background noise. I discovered that the highest frecuency in that record is around 6 KHZ, so = any sound above that frecuency is only noise and distortion (I cut it off). Thinking in the year of the recording, I think the basses sound so good and= deep, and the mid-bass range is so good, too. Well, I want to hear your comments, all. Now, if somebody knew this recording and know more details about it, please= let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sun Aug 30 11:26:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78226 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2009 18:26:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Aug 2009 18:26:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173013pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.13) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Aug 2009 18:26:38 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KP7002YACJO9DID@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:26:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <6D9F3062B8D84051B3B52E90E3448FB5@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <20090807.064758.8663.50107@mailpop11.dca.untd.com> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:26:36 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anything Going On? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=bIvE0rAyhMCLmG_9Bd2ydORMc7fHbEc2v_kS0IPTiYeO2w X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just checking - haven't seen any posts lately - : ) Dick W. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Aug 30 17:36:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63799 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2009 00:36:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2009 00:36:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2009 00:36:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2009 00:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2009 00:36:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:36:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6D9F3062B8D84051B3B52E90E3448FB5@your4dacd0ea75> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.135.116.29 From: "tom_richard1980" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anything Going On? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=BsizV-afajVfnUXr03P1AsUbz7DXZG4R5V6Aj4PMfI_GbEc4rERLZ_Tz X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > Just checking - haven't seen any posts lately - : ) > Dick W. >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] After 32,129 posts there's nothing going on? Well, it took me long enough = but I just added two files to the KFRC folder in the Files section. I adde= d some KFRC jingles from 1985 and on the next-to-last day of KFRC on 8-10-1= 986, I added the "KFRC 610 Song" by Scotty Simon & The 610's; all in stereo= . Tom From tom_richard1980@yahoo.com Sun Aug 30 17:38:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom_richard1980@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28430 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2009 00:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2009 00:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2009 00:38:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2009 00:38:19 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2009 00:38:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:38:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.135.116.29 From: "tom_richard1980" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anything Going On? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38123538; y=3cp-Id-zymK_w3Qjuml9E4d1VarsBeCQYBITLfldlzu4REL2kTOWpqi7 X-Yahoo-Profile: tom_richard1980 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "tom_richard1980" wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > > > Just checking - haven't seen any posts lately - : ) > > Dick W. > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > After 32,129 posts there's nothing going on? Well, it took me long enoug= h but I just added two files to the KFRC folder in the Files section. I ad= ded some KFRC jingles from 1985 and on the next-to-last day of KFRC on 8-10= -1986, I added the "KFRC 610 Song" by Scotty Simon & The 610's; all in ster= eo. >=20 > Tom > Incidentally, they were recorded with a Sony SRF-A100. From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sun Aug 30 19:57:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14849 invoked from network); 31 Aug 2009 02:57:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Aug 2009 02:57:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173017pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.17) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2009 02:57:50 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([70.110.78.73]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KP800J3207CNB05@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:57:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <8DEB364DDB7A4B38AE273D2DBA557C64@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:57:37 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anything Going On? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=_W5cEoSdMYywmzVeD6b5xn5rVrtUyYRBuX9KJvsSmUzmxw X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a lot of posts! Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: tom_richard1980 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Anything Going On? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W" wrote: > > Just checking - haven't seen any posts lately - : ) > Dick W. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] After 32,129 posts there's nothing going on? Well, it took me long enough but I just added two files to the KFRC folder in the Files section. I added some KFRC jingles from 1985 and on the next-to-last day of KFRC on 8-10-1986, I added the "KFRC 610 Song" by Scotty Simon & The 610's; all in stereo. Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Sep 02 13:58:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21167 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2009 20:58:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2009 20:58:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2009 20:58:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76987 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Sep 2009 20:58:44 -0000 Message-ID: <947524.76967.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3zlLCIAVM1lIrpsFOn6TjBJlQAz5KQeV1fgDSDwypnGwvT8OC3ptKhe4oKdd93VZZO3qhBrHWc2VLN5VGckxzDHtValcy4zhtL.7_bCOc1nm13ON3XBRfuX1GEVuXnTmdKCtJiiBpOM2.OrDkQPi6wn.3NdRIsk.KbSswSmsYf_Nvk20f.s.eJhceBaHyMkegjJmrF.O2WDdZM_pLOOsD2WoQ35T2GS4o9I3Ukv2FM.oso76ORXNuynvI9yvYwCpfnSK.O7_PXD2GdnmWQznLBfU2Y6dMvzWfCl.1v7dvRgXK_yKJfw5FDukclBLL0cRJWLqqfLgedUPqiN_Xwkh X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 13:58:43 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:58:43 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WJR-AM Stereo a while back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=LRFQ2tZvpOlE50Gc5WFK_UfwE2LEHcSgDupB6ba-lzEVWZNGGgQELNM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Just found a cassette of WJR-AM STEREO with part of an early morning Sunday music program featuring the story of John Denver - what great audio WJR had back then - you can even tell when he's playing a song from a record (vinyl) - really miss that quality! John From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Sep 02 14:41:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2595 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2009 21:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2009 21:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f210.google.com) (209.85.218.210) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2009 21:40:59 -0000 X-Received: by bwz6 with SMTP id 6so1036705bwz.36 for ; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:40:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.162.198 with SMTP id w6mr7248045bkx.4.1251927643625; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (71-214-164-252.tcso.qwest.net [71.214.164.252]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f31sm665051fkf.38.2009.09.02.14.40.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 02 Sep 2009 14:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <947524.76967.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:40:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.218.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WJR-AM Stereo a while back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Y58HFFgpCHTOw7su7F2l_AKjq2d3KvywbqrQEsNDI0NU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit n you send me a copy of it please? ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: {AMSF} WJR-AM Stereo a while back Just found a cassette of WJR-AM STEREO with part of an early morning Sunday music program featuring the story of John Denver - what great audio WJR had back then - you can even tell when he's playing a song from a record (vinyl) - really miss that quality! John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Sep 02 15:25:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11652 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2009 22:25:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Sep 2009 22:25:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 2009 22:25:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77320 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Sep 2009 22:25:40 -0000 Message-ID: <672749.74599.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: BAMeQEwVM1nsqq1DJ5GhnLQLMPaWw0kEOWMOnOv5don.fk_2_V_UuKRBA7rIC1_yNYjlvD8_1RmLeFP5b7h9XSDQi0CSxgHQXdIvsFPS3q9n8gW7pLezDaRyIlb7dBebZDUc7L1THnNjIhmiH8cL4X_LpXf9RiueptT2yBroK6c5VgrnTCqLaHCU9WuKFGARZ71Z4.sNAth4PJrVITav5tEseRJotUn5pzz8nK59cy.LNM.F5f1czVn8BCPpFZrauV2Fkp2tz_Lp_Nca03eyVRscsKVVT1hfmkcZkBQz2SORFHIj1Br4D4KASEsdrjsRovs7gFqFrLc5fKHbOkhAvz8wiEp8fMIQzjOgXiugDsUs4HhkgkmlAM5wqXtFe_775U72twKH693KhVAO X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:25:40 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:25:40 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <947524.76967.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WJR-AM Stereo a while back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=euQT1MluJKt6QUoG-Eo65TVVNxvJnOVe0VykgxnhZE4mvA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah yes, I remember when they proudly advertised on billboards all over the = Detroit area,"760 AM STEREO"! =A0Music sounded pretty good, and the ball ga= mes had lots of ambience.Too bad they came down with "mono-talk-itis", eh?G --- On Wed, 9/2/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} WJR-AM Stereo a while back To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 4:58 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 Just found a cassette of WJR-AM STEREO with part of an ea= rly morning Sunday music program featuring the story of John Denver - what = great audio WJR had back then - you can even tell when he's playing a song = from a record (vinyl) - really miss that quality! John =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Sep 03 06:29:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22197 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2009 13:29:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2009 13:29:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2009 13:29:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80439 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2009 13:29:33 -0000 Message-ID: <451841.80201.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: b5vrxFQVM1kWK1rqtfw.8y5QY3dd6C8jLLfdmz4pJfXzqU8F6mSeD79szacbj5yl7vD79LpSUP.zZYdO2C1oncuaL47GSa75N3010BHZCl_HralNkw2duVeg6ktq0BijyjGGxL5ckEyLFCt0iGH4106Qq7m.Rzxf8eOzAkde0gO3apXtQ9a4DWFMUkawImnFYiX.9i4ioCgyvzHGnjcOKrtufEJSgggpi_dpzIVxTLqfz_wfgBz2hcSJtqFMzeK1.ZaYcEvKXDv4NzGKJ_06_af6lFNU4lHvYK2GVHIlKCStJcB.y8SboD_ZRbaoeVtQMvLZHgBQy3sKPkSj9Qk- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:29:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 06:29:33 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: WJR-AM Stereo a while back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=TPS76z7BF9ZApM28Kdqu39EsaNSG-z7yR1EcFSP9VqMtaGWGWSre1c4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I contacted the WJR engineer, and he's "afraid" to flip the C-Quam switch back on. He indicated that the hardware was there. I even had him talk to the WLS engineer to re-assure him that he won't get fired for doing it, but he's afraid to take the "leap of faith" for C-Quam during the night time like WLS runs. JP From w6yn@juno.com Thu Sep 03 07:29:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94945 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2009 14:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2009 14:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2009 14:29:45 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFK9WX8ANWE5UA for (sender ); Thu, 3 Sep 2009 07:29:18 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxPY32dMmWGZ910Ni0W+Z3o= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PRJTYQ4Z; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:28:43 PDT X-Received: from [99.154.128.103] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:28:06 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:28:06 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20090903.072806.8905.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3460705543 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Internet radio receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=XlFlhIgmaMhRGP5vYR1ZTd4s4d5bhW17NOlnsZrMqg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn What Internet radio receivers need is some standardization, and it appears = to be coming from a collection of operators in Europe. There=92s a press co= nference in Berlin this weekend to announce an all-industry effort, led by = the recently-formed IMDA, to forge a set of open, interoperable standards o= n Internet radio =93appliances.=94 If you haven=92t seen one, they=92re pre= tty amazing. And radio =96 AM/FM radio =96 needs to start thinking about wh= at happens when more and more listeners, at home and at work, can choose fr= om the entire universe of Internet radio and audio sources. From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Sep 03 08:01:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32855 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2009 15:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2009 15:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173017pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.17) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2009 15:01:22 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.228.138.245]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KPE00K1UHP1IY25@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:00:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <5BB6E37C7D7F40E0991E79525457E87E@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <20090903.072806.8905.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:00:38 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.17 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W" Reply-To: "Dick W" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Internet radio receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=gbXJTHPiSSUkKXOfpiIf-sRPSru3DpocYPQ4lP43bJNtBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Such standards would be great. Because internet stations are constantly coming and going, I hope that the radios will be programmed so that you can add new stations (regardless how obscure) and delete old ones. I would not want to be restricted to a preselected group of stations that might not reflect my own tastes. I'd like to find the stations myself and save the links to a directory (if that's the way it works). Dick w. ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: {AMSF} Internet radio receivers What Internet radio receivers need is some standardization, and it appears to be coming from a collection of operators in Europe. There's a press conference in Berlin this weekend to announce an all-industry effort, led by the recently-formed IMDA, to forge a set of open, interoperable standards on Internet radio "appliances." If you haven't seen one, they're pretty amazing. And radio - AM/FM radio - needs to start thinking about what happens when more and more listeners, at home and at work, can choose from the entire universe of Internet radio and audio sources. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Sep 03 18:50:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88160 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2009 01:50:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2009 01:50:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2009 01:50:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38264 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2009 01:49:59 -0000 Message-ID: <29026.38234.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 24hLh0IVM1nINJK_x50iFvoSKE61pfS49_ftXRduHx._ztb0mSa6gcDlYseeHzy2TOgAuzGMsnmPxMETzNEGUNxX7Nn0lhV2RqUt76ghq8aity.iI7XWyrNDMHvUT4xMpN388fXLfuUKpd3D23FPLKpiyMQAYxkdkuGNiyLJLXCYxE9Ycu9dBPrUkO6MvgbnBLumZdiH3JdN6uXdwNgY.N0P_9YR8WoAQxUJh2xd9jOPoQ0B1cRVZoAt26pvQelj9GnGgaE54pFV6kszWP2Isib6Pxl4QTYcHvEDImRYVW5cKGXVuG6zgh_SM3yK6.dDrWAmya_1TpDHvPM1cnAXMRYLQw_4G.Cm.6myBfutv_8Q X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:49:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 18:49:58 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <451841.80201.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR-AM Stereo a while back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ou06UH-1X6Kav1BxjwJXVn6cO8MXQVobxO00nZZh7OG84g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hopefully, he will find the courage! =A0BTW< I thought WJR had stopped IBOC= ing at all.Just at night? =A0G --- On Thu, 9/3/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Re: WJR-AM Stereo a while back To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 9:29 AM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 I contacted the WJR engineer, and he's "afraid" to flip t= he C-Quam switch back on. He indicated that the hardware was there. I eve= n had him talk to the WLS engineer to re-assure him that he won't get fired= for doing it, but he's afraid to take the "leap of faith" for C-Quam durin= g the night time like WLS runs. JP =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 04 05:40:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88604 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2009 12:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2009 12:40:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2009 12:40:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54223 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2009 12:40:23 -0000 Message-ID: <499964.28655.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qasFQN0VM1njaP0tpYMuslmyKWFfvo4wSlNrtXxM5nRHj3V31awZw72M5J74EYkT2BeSDIXSRSTp2imAXsWaXXcOlgWOIGIVjYi31BBk.pt02OvYCJKkWt1EJrqI53twPXxYm2L9lDZ5vCrH2ISE17gH.tRJZMIqzq8XdZDa6cBk.tYh0.luxltdHFO8FqFsI3sC5iZKPgwiCiMRjRX.BACDXFI6VYwZPbKB3b8QKguoWq49FCVn60LZ5EnGRpqyzqiUizZlkJZwNiYh1b_ZnRilXhGW3.5Wy7XBLAdCOYp4Txx7UzdA2MA_f4bx0lIGAjlDQWJZ1qCC2NriyiY- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 05:40:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 05:40:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: Internet radio receivers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=vludXwj6XKwVSr8Ybhv-RAd0U_qvnMxP1BvSepCTkqD1OCt4nvwpxc8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Sirius has a new Internet radio for their satellite service, but get this, it will ONLY receive their feed, you can't tune in any other stations! Now, if you could just figure out a way to "fix" it, as it's $50 less than anybody else's. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Sep 04 05:44:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5792 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2009 12:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2009 12:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2009 12:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2009 12:43:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2009 12:43:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Sep 2009 12:43:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:43:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <29026.38234.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WJR-AM Stereo a while back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=XEiiPEYC1omUM6_x-pwyq9N2NJA1AEeAgmN_m-jE6aOHb9Pw1LUO2f4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yes, WJR dumped IBOC all together, first nights, then days, bye-bye. Since WLS is a sister station to WJR, WLS runs IBOC day and CQuam nights, s= o I tried to convince the WJR engineer Kevin H, to make the switch at least= at night, but being a young guy, I think he's scared he won't have any bac= kup helpers with the CQuam hardware. He thinks all he has to do is flip th= e switch! John From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Sep 04 15:44:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13445 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2009 22:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Sep 2009 22:44:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2009 22:44:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7691 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2009 22:43:24 -0000 Message-ID: <596263.7603.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: puKHLfQVM1nFICpkFyDT5R2l5ZOaekz8o5Tc5IuQijehKcRlD0gRDGAT1b1dY6jAMzekDB0aTxEwFJoLpj9qc4CdMBnJwj5dH.OtSgk.pf_Ukv7hrdeId3ZMf8wH4zgyLRTp6puPk0H2pL3gVlYq2AQGbAXMDDhx.MqNvTQ92BY3bUcc.IPjgOFz_dEfeQra9OERg3q0UPNQQvHISGSr69Mr9XjTGJ7MSiV4BvWznQiT0OjNJriLvcBkcA_VQQ_.k5hnb1lAMDWJ7cjNvhgVqi2e2RBnasRhS9OnYRYDjphKBWrK7cXXW8ycYB5TWlay9oOQONkVHbcfQyJB5nGQoY7Ly7l4PaVteHpJCJsL6Zog5at0_dHbLILICoc9vj68t6tUTEWAfSID0tvorXhDsD3EQh2HMvFU7SJqMPs- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:43:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:43:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WJR-AM Stereo a while back X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=6M6i_UvIJIRYn-6pFPFe8C_MwFHW-a-BSucLgsgNywHjXA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the exciter is still in the rack, and still wired in the audio chain, se= ems it should be simple enough, but maybe it has been-un-wired? =A0Keep on = him! =A0If they are done with IBOC, then they have NO reason (except maybe = the few watts to run the exciter?) NOT to be in stereo again. =A0Assuming o= f course they didn't go to the foolish expense of pulling out all the stere= o audio gear and replacing it with mono. (wink-wink)If they DO go back to s= tereo, then the few of us with the receivers can show others how good it so= unds, maybe create a little more demand for AM Stereo radios, which will cr= eate more demand for stereo STATIONS, round and round...It CAN work that wa= y. =A0I bemoaned the death of quadraphonic sound in the 70's, thought it wa= s the greatest improvement to home audio in my lifetime. =A0But 30 years la= ter, it is back with a vengence, and a few extra channels...and a new name,= Surround Sound. =A0Almost all the TV and FM stations in our area are in surround now, even the commercials are easier to take that way:>)So, it IS= possible that AM Stereo may just be another "late bloomer"...my fingers ar= e crossed!!!George=A0 --- On Fri, 9/4/09, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} Re: WJR-AM Stereo a while back To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 8:43 AM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 Yes, WJR dumped IBOC all together, first nights, then day= s, bye-bye. Since WLS is a sister station to WJR, WLS runs IBOC day and CQuam nights, s= o I tried to convince the WJR engineer Kevin H, to make the switch at least= at night, but being a young guy, I think he's scared he won't have any bac= kup helpers with the CQuam hardware. He thinks all he has to do is flip th= e switch! John =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Sep 08 09:00:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66194 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2009 16:00:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2009 16:00:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2009 16:00:40 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail11.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.151]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFLN939AVS74XJ for (sender ); Tue, 8 Sep 2009 08:58:55 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD/RBs8Br0ajZFMoSBTP801M= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail11.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PRXU3933; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:58:15 PDT X-Received: from [99.154.128.103] by webmail11.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 15:58:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 15:58:09 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20090908.085809.18393.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-UNTD-BodySize: 1300 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3789049649 X-MAIL-INFO:1ec58494c47d64c47d9d557de451a9a4dda565b0d5a15099d41df4b034f4012434d0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.151|webmail11.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: KRKO tower downed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=gd9SV11l_iioW2jOIu4Bg0tKzZepmPAknVAB998Lbg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn KRKO tower vs environmental loon Earth Liberation Front claims it destroyed two Seattle-area towers. The shadowy group has caused tens of millions in damage to other facilities= it believes are harming the environment, and now it=E2=80=99s the subject = of an FBI investigation at a radio tower site =E2=80=93 and the reason that= KRKO, Everett, WA owner Andy Skotdal is offering a $25,000 reward. He tell= s KOMO-TV News that he=E2=80=99s not 100% sure the ELF really was the culpr= it =E2=80=93 =E2=80=9Canybody can claim responsibility for anything.=E2=80= =9D The ELF Press Office states flat-out that the activity was the work of = the Earth Liberation Front, though it says it doesn=E2=80=99t know any name= s. The Skotdal family recently prevailed in an eight-year fight with Snohom= ish County neighbors to build out an upgrade of KRKO (1380) to 50-kw. A nea= rby track hoe was used to attack the 350-foot towers around 3am Friday morn= ing, and it=E2=80=99s possible that one lone actor was behind the whole thi= ng. He or she ran for cover when a neighbor came out to investigate, holdin= g a shotgun. There was apparently a banner from the Earth Liberation Front = left near the scene. See pictures of the destruction here: http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=3D129&sid=3D208798&pid=3D0 From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Sep 08 10:33:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71537 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2009 17:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2009 17:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2009 17:33:47 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n88HX58Q012831 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:33:06 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c22.67f92de1 (29673) for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:33:01 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KRKO tower downed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=WLx7g2VOhRNY99Oz_P7NgJcfOkatGYDSKR1UrnjcBqs2X9Gkw5fuolS-1BqB-1mI X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know know the facts, but I would suspect one of the neighbors who have been fighting the upgrade in court the past eight years rather than some obscure environmental group. Such groups sometimes have their extreme elements who like to take credit for things they had nothing to do with as their claim to power. As a side note, I worked briefly for KWK in St. Louis that operated on 1380. It went dark for a good number of years long after I left. for economic reasons. As I recall, 1380 was a regional frequency with a maximum operating power of 5kW. What's with the 50kW? I have seen other regional assignments go beyond 5kW as well. Like most of the regional frequency assignments, it was, and most likely still is, very congested and even at 5kW required a directional antenna day and night. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Sep 08 15:44:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85932 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2009 22:44:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Sep 2009 22:44:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2009 22:44:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47702 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2009 22:43:53 -0000 Message-ID: <910551.47633.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JVjbQTwVM1mfomgo9MgVIsI1CnR.dgqmJs.SZRHPzNAJqnQwcy4Oax5UFBfxY65eWqrxSugH94dn94shqRep75DLRRCRruJc5GsnHDAHFzjvpAZo6..UPbKED53hahy2Rf4gQUGMeHaXIQnyurGcrHM5Ll57hc1KbeDYBHgOLd5oscuEkyH9E01RVUEtrRfv4XwyG4vkO4yqqmd4wc.l_gA6FOpegQ11eCY.TpcMuPz5vP.CI0ZeOJ4xCYP.yYdPvIWu460fH1BwkiEha0nbHLnCtkQLIrA1pw6nVB5c3R7mmvZvGo083qBTjs4Z_MpKE7UYeC5ZidbVvE1esHU_vJSsTplvA0a95If6WesxY4ttX8x2EDDT_ca6DimQsoNIZ21mh9AQeKEaiqVqffZZ7W.I7UFDaexrxAIo7LNzHWbgNTs- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:43:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 15:43:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} KRKO tower downed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=1NCupnwfPsMfEoBKAbFniIZAswiFoSDGixoRD-d04qFYYA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am I missing something? =A0How is such a long wave a threat to the environm= ent? =A0A 6-foot tall human is such a tiny fraction of a wavelength at that= frequency, seems quite harmless.Microwaves, UHF, yeah, I get it, but MEDIU= M WAVE? =A0Oh please! =A0G --- On Tue, 9/8/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KRKO tower downed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:33 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 I don't know know the facts, but I would suspect one of t= he neighbors who=20 have been fighting the upgrade in court the past eight years rather than so= me=20 obscure environmental group. Such groups sometimes have their extreme=20 elements who like to take credit for things they had nothing to do with as = their=20 claim to power. As a side note, I worked briefly for KWK in St. Louis that operated on=20 1380. It went dark for a good number of years long after I left. for econo= mic=20 reasons. As I recall, 1380 was a regional frequency with a maximum operati= ng=20 power of 5kW. What's with the 50kW? I have seen other regional=20 assignments go beyond 5kW as well. Like most of the regional frequency ass= ignments,=20 it was, and most likely still is, very congested and even at 5kW required a= =20 directional antenna day and night. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Sep 08 19:14:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52794 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2009 02:14:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2009 02:14:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2009 02:14:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n892DZ6H021791 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2009 22:13:36 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c9d.4cca56ae (30738) for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2009 22:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 22:13:32 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KRKO tower downed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ZmLVJdkAbBU-WYfDr20OLb26_LZyKMVJRt5ONggxDtI0aODZn-jVUtyoBWHkoLPO X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seventy-five years ago or more, stations put their transmitter sites in what were remote farm or even unimproved land near urban areas. There were a number of reasons for doing this, mostly because the close-in field around AM towers tends to overwhelm receivers and gets induced into phone lines, etc. FM, VHF, and UHF does not present quite the same problem because the center of radiation is many hundreds if not a thousand feet or more above ground and the arrays concentrate the signal in the vertical plane. The risk of the really tall towers used for FM, VHF, and UHF is tower failure. The things just collapse. The list of towers approaching or exceeding 2,000 ft. that have collapsed is a long one. AM towers, not even the rare Franklins, come anywhere close to this height. WSM 650's half wave Blaw-Knox, which claims to be the tallest AM tower in the United States, is less than 900 feet. There are two primary failure modes: Tower icing and aircraft collisions. I would not want to live any closer than height of a tower away from it. As for KRKO towers, some people may consider radio masts to be eyesores. A tenfold power increases, especially with a directional array, is bound to create problems for the neighbors. It is one thing to move next door to WLS in Tinsley Park. You know what you are getting into. It's another thing to have your friendly regional station down the road turn into a blowtorch after you have moved there. I am surprised the FCC approved the CP. I thought there were rules as to where you could build stations. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Sep 12 18:02:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51783 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2009 01:02:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2009 01:02:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2009 01:02:35 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.122] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20090912200147102289200010.0) with SMTP id <20090912200147102289200010> for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:01:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <000e01ca340e$78567940$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:01:47 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KRKO tower downed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=NVp5oEz1F3WmbnCrlJczDw09K5g5yz-yDFRzWmeKtkHFZlIf64wN X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The FCC lifted those restrictions years ago, particularly because so many metropolitain areas had outgrown the coverage areas of numerous 5kW stations. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com As I recall, 1380 was a regional frequency with a maximum operating power of 5kW. What's with the 50kW? I have seen other regional assignments go beyond 5kW as well. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Sep 13 04:54:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1635 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2009 11:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2009 11:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2009 11:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n8DBsFkc005798 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:54:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c62.52e72893 (65099) for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:54:48 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KRKO tower downed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lbGTWEO8vYaVc3PqgEXO3sG-uj3YPWNuJO7SFbng7d67AJOklr4X5mZyZDguJ110 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/12/2009 8:03:06 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > The FCC lifted those restrictions years ago, particularly because so many > metropolitain areas had outgrown the coverage areas of numerous 5kW > stations. > Thanks. The regional 5 kW stations, like KFRC, used to be able to cover a couple hundred miles, not urban contour, but listenable. Now most of those frequencies are nothing but clutter a relatively short distance outside of their urban service areas. I suppose with the newer transmitters, power is cheaper than tower capitalwise. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Sep 14 10:57:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44811 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2009 17:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2009 17:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2009 17:57:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28464 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2009 17:57:08 -0000 Message-ID: <214979.27901.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hNdb.uUVM1l1w3Gge0GdtHZGCORAu6omDMoM.uaoFCLGEI8Xm6nrYWflw_ahkHtpRPSuEwnBscTnUBv03MIIIYzaUzHTWzdZAGxhG6PzANidBf.r5WNBKepQ_mZFnSDWrWZ_CPNopHCP0rIgLnc5WjZd9iaMqIPsf97NN5dgugaix1RSTJdJGJZKSSCMqVRnrTnwjyRcqVIdQRneVrvMyGXYdRk3bo8APQ1wfBxqeHNQrAL9338UAaEUEbpBXrG4HIZiBHEEVT7cRNGiVP_qpQYwtF1TQIqZR6jJUhvSw07BXlgmr2evGpE6wAB2OutaPdcuwrNKZCfI3C_R13jS X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:57:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.2 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:57:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: MCS AMS Tuner for Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=kZVc6NZMrBs4cLNgDHWYrgw66sAX8a7zamZA9LOf7gPBqvmRcI8jweg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hello Gang, As my work hours dwindle down, I'm paring-down the radio supply as well. I'm going to be selling my MCS AMS/FMS tuner (made by Technics?). It only goes up to 1620KHz, so I can't get KCJJ with it, but I can receive CFCO in CQuam quite well. I thought I'd offer it up here first before I go to eBay and their ridiculous fee structure. I've thought about installing a wider-bandwidth I.F. filter in it, but have not done so. You can send me a private email if you would like photos, etc. 73's John From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Sep 14 15:24:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92436 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2009 22:24:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2009 22:24:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2009 22:24:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2009 22:23:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2009 22:23:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:23:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.50.107.107 From: "jotape1960" Subject: CHILE decided by the japanese digital TV system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_mWHIIYCyX0HtBcoomBWVXmjlr8x8swqggMO4VlgfBpQEkPlkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Today my local goverment agency to radio an TV, SUBTEL (Chilean FCC), gaves= the official new: Chile will follow the Japanese Digital TV System. They d= idn't talk about the time to the convertion, but it is expected no more tha= n 5 years (like Peru, Brazil and Argentine). It is the first time in the history that Chile doesn't follow the USA stand= ars. Interesting issue. Maybe it is a sign about a future digital radio system to Chile, not IBOC o= f course. I don't know. I hope someone can get a real good digital radio system BEFORE Chile takes = some decision around. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Sep 15 00:55:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93620 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2009 07:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2009 07:55:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f190.google.com) (209.85.211.190) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2009 07:55:12 -0000 X-Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so5731742ywh.15 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:55:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.91.154.4 with SMTP id g4mr4439641ago.60.1253001302609; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (70-57-229-9.tcso.qwest.net [70.57.229.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 29sm939205agd.25.2009.09.15.00.55.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <214979.27901.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:54:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} MCS AMS Tuner for Sale X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Rozyt1fuyeiiQhX-0-9LFF9o7HJzPT7vMLXgX_ES3iSS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what are you asking? ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: {AMSF} MCS AMS Tuner for Sale Hello Gang, As my work hours dwindle down, I'm paring-down the radio supply as well. I'm going to be selling my MCS AMS/FMS tuner (made by Technics?). It only goes up to 1620KHz, so I can't get KCJJ with it, but I can receive CFCO in CQuam quite well. I thought I'd offer it up here first before I go to eBay and their ridiculous fee structure. I've thought about installing a wider-bandwidth I.F. filter in it, but have not done so. You can send me a private email if you would like photos, etc. 73's John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Sep 15 01:11:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51686 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2009 08:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2009 08:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f185.google.com) (209.85.210.185) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2009 08:10:56 -0000 X-Received: by yxe15 with SMTP id 15so4837667yxe.13 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:10:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.91.95.5 with SMTP id x5mr4463720agl.28.1253002233829; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (70-57-229-9.tcso.qwest.net [70.57.229.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm1117066agd.64.2009.09.15.01.10.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:10:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CHILE decided by the japanese digital TV system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=oyRxoF46l9ukxd_HOFUdWN98AyQgU3Fuccrmtt_ANK-z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would take drm over iboc any daya. drm being the open standard ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: {AMSF} CHILE decided by the japanese digital TV system Hi Gang!!! Today my local goverment agency to radio an TV, SUBTEL (Chilean FCC), gav= es the official new: Chile will follow the Japanese Digital TV System. They= didn't talk about the time to the convertion, but it is expected no more t= han 5 years (like Peru, Brazil and Argentine). It is the first time in the history that Chile doesn't follow the USA sta= ndars. Interesting issue. Maybe it is a sign about a future digital radio system to Chile, not IBOC= of course. I don't know. I hope someone can get a real good digital radio system BEFORE Chile take= s some decision around. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Tue Sep 22 13:30:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56784 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2009 20:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2009 20:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2009 20:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2009 20:30:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2009 20:30:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:30:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20090908.085809.18393.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: KRKO tower downed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=IOyWANUMmTy-wzz1IHvQnWXhofEtcLX1-fvVCWJtTHh3S_dq_qiwE5Ta X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon The night pattern in KRKO's construction permit throws a great deal of the = signal northwest, to the ocean. There is a very deep and broad null that e= xtends from south to east (pattern plot: http://www.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/MB/= Databases/AM_DA_patterns/1282580-106469.pdf ). What surprises me almost as= much, if not a bit more, is that the daytime construction permit is for 34= kW non-directional. What has been cited as ELF's "justification" for this act of vandalism is a= study that found increased rates of leukemia in regions near a high powere= d mediumwave transmitter plant operated by Vatican Radio. The problem with= the study, from my understanding, is that no field strength readings were = taken at the homes of the cancer victims nor was any data collected about h= ow much time the victims spent at home. Thus, the study is useless for try= ing to gain an understanding of how much exposure to MF signals is needed t= o trigger health problems. As one contributor to a radio board that I frequent put it, the ELF is abou= t rhetoric, not sound science. They are riding on the coattails of the con= troversy that has been raging between the nearby property owners and KRKO. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote= : > > KRKO tower vs environmental loon >=20 > Earth Liberation Front claims it destroyed two Seattle-area towers. >=20 > The shadowy group has caused tens of millions in damage to other faciliti= es it believes are harming the environment, and now it=E2=80=99s the subjec= t of an FBI investigation at a radio tower site =E2=80" and the reason that= KRKO, Everett, WA owner Andy Skotdal is offering a $25,000 reward. He tell= s KOMO-TV News that he=E2=80=99s not 100% sure the ELF really was the culpr= it =E2=80" =E2=80=9Canybody can claim responsibility for anything.=E2=80=9D= The ELF Press Office states flat-out that the activity was the work of the= Earth Liberation Front, though it says it doesn=E2=80=99t know any names. = The Skotdal family recently prevailed in an eight-year fight with Snohomish= County neighbors to build out an upgrade of KRKO (1380) to 50-kw. A nearby= track hoe was used to attack the 350-foot towers around 3am Friday morning= , and it=E2=80=99s possible that one lone actor was behind the whole thing.= He or she ran for cover when a neighbor came out to investigate, holding a= shotgun. There was apparently a banner from the Earth Liberation Front lef= t near the scene. >=20 > See pictures of the destruction here: > http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=3D129&sid=3D208798&pid=3D0 > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Sep 22 15:13:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54307 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2009 22:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2009 22:13:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2009 22:13:34 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 82202 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Sep 2009 22:13:20 -0000 Message-ID: <230875.81718.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: w8CrjigVM1kij2TCBWQEkl6qD.Th_H6WaL3n9ghKF.CdroK0EZg.xNVSWEWTbjsKLvz5m81gwE6tIcGzUAujxMW0bKZhKceBu38J9EGX3grqBqy02.NuB4P4I6vAgdxbZ3_mgGPYQ3_DjBTmJcJZkk..giKG3_n4O9JBiNQ3nyvGRCOy.oZK3jO5spf9RQZLn.OIfKo5j8hn81Xa6ZkUWvqpbBXrD7f3WMXKarovBACVUPkJ8FWUfVuDu4OOvRnDhlY20YsGwJqpGnp5u3O8j83ippQxf2cB5jV0G.opQGJmlPoZoJKcj1K7inAM0TfB_h288Z11IRivVPB2BoLn7rRZF2jc0Lm7hjy7ooUC5K1TNVIOuwpv8TL2KccEiFjj6HlUt7GTSUm2msqi X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:13:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.2 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:13:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KRKO tower downed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=yVfZ4m0smSP4hCNtuVIdXaQKqLf0m4gVBtHBpDeM1QKcLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wish they WOULD conduct a real scientific study. =C2=A0I'm no doctor, but I= strongly suspect that MW poses no threat at all until you are close enough= to the antenna to feel heat, or touch it. The wavelength is just too great= .Those people probably endure more induced current from the AC wiring in bu= ildings.Maybe they should talk to those guys that worked at VOA in Mason, O= H, cutting the grass in the antenna field, while next door WLW poured forth= with 50 big ones. =C2=A0I've not heard THEM come forward with any illness!= G=C2=A0 --- On Tue, 9/22/09, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} Re: KRKO tower downed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 4:30 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20=20=20 The night pattern in KRKO's construction permit throws a = great deal of the signal northwest, to the ocean. There is a very deep and= broad null that extends from south to east (pattern plot: http://www.fcc. = gov/ftp/Bureaus/ MB/Databases/ AM_DA_patterns/ 1282580-106469. pdf ). What= surprises me almost as much, if not a bit more, is that the daytime constr= uction permit is for 34 kW non-directional. What has been cited as ELF's "justification" for this act of vandalism is a= study that found increased rates of leukemia in regions near a high powere= d mediumwave transmitter plant operated by Vatican Radio. The problem with= the study, from my understanding, is that no field strength readings were = taken at the homes of the cancer victims nor was any data collected about h= ow much time the victims spent at home. Thus, the study is useless for try= ing to gain an understanding of how much exposure to MF signals is needed t= o trigger health problems. As one contributor to a radio board that I frequent put it, the ELF is abou= t rhetoric, not sound science. They are riding on the coattails of the con= troversy that has been raging between the nearby property owners and KRKO. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wro= te: > > KRKO tower vs environmental loon >=20 > Earth Liberation Front claims it destroyed two Seattle-area towers. >=20 > The shadowy group has caused tens of millions in damage to other faciliti= es it believes are harming the environment, and now it=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84= =A2s the subject of an FBI investigation at a radio tower site =C3=A2=E2=82= =AC" and the reason that KRKO, Everett, WA owner Andy Skotdal is offering a= $25,000 reward. He tells KOMO-TV News that he=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s not= 100% sure the ELF really was the culprit =C3=A2=E2=82=AC" =C3=A2=E2=82=AC= =C5=93anybody can claim responsibility for anything.=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF= =BD The ELF Press Office states flat-out that the activity was the work of = the Earth Liberation Front, though it says it doesn=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2= t know any names. The Skotdal family recently prevailed in an eight-year fi= ght with Snohomish County neighbors to build out an upgrade of KRKO (1380) = to 50-kw. A nearby track hoe was used to attack the 350-foot towers around = 3am Friday morning, and it=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s possible that one lone = actor was behind the whole thing. He or she ran for cover when a neighbor c= ame out to investigate, holding a shotgun. There was apparently a banner from the Earth Liberation Front lef= t near the scene. >=20 > See pictures of the destruction here: > http://www.mynorthw est.com/? nid=3D129&sid=3D 208798&pid=3D 0 > =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Sep 24 15:04:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85971 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2009 22:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 2009 22:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2009 22:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2009 22:04:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2009 22:04:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2009 22:04:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:04:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.237 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} CHILE decided by the japanese digital TV system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6BbAGd9wNTo5jIPwV85N2sqV4kQuQafJqHUBWcYHnbwO2ZcNZw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > I would take drm over iboc any daya. > drm being the open standard > > I wonder where can I get full information about the convertion between anal= og to DRM digital AM. I mean, which TXs are compatible, what additional com= ponents, etc. Some idea? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au Fri Sep 25 06:04:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13794 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2009 13:04:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 2009 13:04:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 2009 13:04:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2009 13:03:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2009 13:03:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:03:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5261C5B1-6F87-4813-BCCB-FAFB04F741B0@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 124.178.172.102 From: "Jeff M" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Digital in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=288652798; y=yyCR6M4yV_mUSo5tZoIJA9JMlm61r4eLBvQH3O8WTfILaFA X-Yahoo-Profile: tf3200ir --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, hank smith wrote: > > what is used in uk The UK is using DVB- T and testing DVB-T2 for high definition. In Australia We are also using DVB-T with High definition squeezed onto the= MPEG2 stream. From tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au Fri Sep 25 19:26:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: tf3200ir@yahoo.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13330 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2009 02:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2009 02:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2009 02:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2009 02:26:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2009 02:26:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:26:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 58.164.235.213 From: "Jeff M" Subject: 2CA still flying the AM Stereo flag X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=288652798; y=Lq2q8YVLsV2I41y6IRCab-hrCzCNeSRTTXDC2RuFlWVP9nk X-Yahoo-Profile: tf3200ir Just seen this in ebay Australia.... Shows 1053 2CA in stereo http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Sony-Tuner-ST-JX220A-rare-AM-Stereo_W0QQitemZ1303330= 62125QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Electronics_Vintage_Electronics?hash=3Ditem1e587= 4b3ed&_trksid=3Dp3286.c0.m14 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Sep 27 19:50:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71612 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2009 02:50:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2009 02:50:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2009 02:50:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2009 02:50:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2009 02:50:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 02:50:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: 2CA still flying the AM Stereo flag X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=4VLfqvUHlyZcymlSLcADQFPKfX7lr68yk5Hyk4DiRJb7Kr2CoZsd4dM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff M" wrote: > > Just seen this in ebay Australia.... > Shows 1053 2CA in stereo >=20 What was the 'secret' in getting this unit to go back to 10KHz steps instea= d of 9KHz steps? Also, need a 120/240 xfmr, correct? 73's John From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Mon Sep 28 06:50:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85605 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2009 13:50:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2009 13:50:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.146) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2009 13:50:22 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090928135007.LWJX21435.nskntmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:50:07 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090928135006.UUZY28036.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:50:06 +0000 To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:49:02 +1000 Message-ID: <16EB9D22812B4A3DB7ADAE02AF7D8052@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aco/5oFu4BOJIBCJQ+WtzaLUmmuVngAHtrew In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150202.4AC0BF0F.0027,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: 2CA still flying the AM Stereo flag X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Johnny Electron >"Jeff M" wrote: >> >> Just seen this in ebay Australia.... >> Shows 1053 2CA in stereo > >What was the 'secret' in getting this unit to go back to 10KHz steps instead of 9KHz steps? Also, need a 120/240 xfmr, correct? >73's >John For memory, you switch the unit on while pressing and holding the tuning up button. 2CA will probably stay in AM stereo well into the future as Canberra is not on the drawing boards in the near future to get DAB+ radio. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Sep 28 07:45:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 986 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2009 14:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2009 14:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2009 14:45:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2009 14:44:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2009 14:44:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:44:14 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=KQpuxcycguvDAHKu6nWSDHpTUDz3_YfjROZ3x1bKFOVD X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have a broadcast electronics ax-10 exciter for sale. I have 3 of these an= d don't need this one. I will take $300.00 shipped Con-US $350.00 Shipped to Canada, Alaska or Hawaii pictures available on request. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Sep 28 08:09:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46096 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2009 15:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2009 15:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2009 15:09:16 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2009 15:09:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2009 15:09:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2009 15:09:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:09:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=P8ny6qzHDkZrBLn5edEycwE5fWSLtVHrNltUILc67Zu8 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > I have a broadcast electronics ax-10 exciter for sale. I have 3 of these = and don't need this one. I will take $300.00 shipped Con-US >=20 > $350.00 Shipped to Canada, Alaska or Hawaii >=20 > pictures available on request. > Ps... See my ebay seller feedback here... http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=3Dkc8gpd&fta= b=3DFeedbackAsSeller From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Sep 28 15:16:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6818 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2009 22:16:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Sep 2009 22:16:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2009 22:16:21 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so758884fga.9 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:15:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.86.211.38 with SMTP id j38mr3695632fgg.26.1254176111319; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e20sm199265fga.16.2009.09.28.15.15.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0CF4D5CFBB1D47148587D39B25992339@experien3f2fc9> To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:15:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=d_cqW_Q7bs9cnHX_mbzxsswpm1sZ_ico4bBMeMhg6tYWSXUfkZ8P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what does this thing do ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:44 AM Subject: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter I have a broadcast electronics ax-10 exciter for sale. I have 3 of these and don't need this one. I will take $300.00 shipped Con-US $350.00 Shipped to Canada, Alaska or Hawaii pictures available on request. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Sep 29 00:18:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8144 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2009 07:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2009 07:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2009 07:18:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2009 07:17:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2009 07:17:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:17:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0CF4D5CFBB1D47148587D39B25992339@experien3f2fc9> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.246 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=3z3i2Befh8ccrrTyRAIi9vJz_WMfLD5m6yFX2Wf9PT8uQ6NDdg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Is it compatible with "any" TX? How much above your value do you think the costs to my country, Chile, Sout= h America? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > what does this thing do=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kc8gpd=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:44 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter >=20 >=20 > I have a broadcast electronics ax-10 exciter for sale. I have 3 of th= ese and don't need this one. I will take $300.00 shipped Con-US >=20 > $350.00 Shipped to Canada, Alaska or Hawaii >=20 > pictures available on request. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From w6yn@juno.com Tue Sep 29 08:42:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67430 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2009 15:34:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2009 15:34:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2009 15:34:34 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFNELHHAZUD7X2 for (sender ); Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:33:59 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD7Y+faAjf6TksLQaYGzeKUw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PTMV2H47; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:33:45 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.209.219] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:33:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:33:15 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20090929.083315.24209.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 251 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3379247778 X-MAIL-INFO:4a79c1d5fdc565c9644180819d019d10c9c0a0add9bd3574f0298980e069e1b591a4a1a19914a1d1d5a12da90000 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=APy4ZTG4YKe18ZlxbZW92g5bW7m__tjfc5nwbhCU3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn For sale on Craigslist =96 =93AM station=85Eastern Mississippi, $60,000.=94 =93Serious inquiries only=94 to the poster, who says =93all equipment is in= cluded=94 and the rent is $300 a month.=20 http://memphis.craigslist.org/bfs/1395499189.html From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Sep 29 09:33:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55862 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2009 16:33:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2009 16:33:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2009 16:33:31 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n8TGWtkh019239 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:32:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c16.6e6f1cb1 (29672) for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:33:40 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ppioRf0oGtJM6XwmGnhNsRlhsOUYYnvw0_Z4z6ZbiCnm5QHCiyrVhdS-AE6lVaHI X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like I said, with prices like that, why bootleg? A $50 ticket on the Titantic might have seemed like a bargain as well. I live in more or less the same area. We have a five station mostly automated cluster which is losing money hand over fist. An advertiser can buy a half dozen 30-second spots for the price of a single page in a local church bulletin and the stations are still filling slots with PSAs. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Sep 29 15:29:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24986 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2009 22:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 2009 22:29:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 2009 22:29:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 66169 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2009 22:29:50 -0000 Message-ID: <340759.65841.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: NBx1fVIVM1nJbqjSCpeRWd_pZqmAab9AAUSC_mNaLVuTBWyAcTUyJgfsx8NAS8dMK.XStGB1Tx5jGrLpPFldmUZiB.j2SbjZ5_VQmF4Ymoj9Rfp939K9HrpS7u5HTStLHpNQMn_q2Z6vxP8LhYcrlak5gezuvJWRm9kojMQ2TFb2.fMrW_hwCcncoVFu4.5_zh1a2zWMDqCj6mciWa2oigY5KUdfVEwgg3ovZHAtVlw9OFd_JvDtX01PT.56h5To0WcF994rTFeiZr.oBKAluhmhDteehBcHWW0Uiti77lMH5xBhSYZ6KsAXUeq5X8jNa1B9co_s7K6MeDoz5E_OqVrVuVJUWyDCTLzLPjr60fZ9wS0CcqclzxGRE1S2S61W0SeI.Q3L1OkX6_cYXXMkR5Ehl_eU37g- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:29:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:29:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=bdmXJwzevTuzWpnz4UaqAwrTbvdF_lqVU0fODz1FoYSQRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I bet somebody could buy that station, DUMP the automation and put so= me live talent behind the mike/board, and turn it around.1080 WOAP in Owoss= o MI, just got bought cheap, and the new owner has hired a 30-year veteran = DJ to do it live. =A0They are have committed themselves to getting involved= in the local=A0community, and have even used (gulp!) real 70's jingles! = =A0Simple enough idea, they are addressing a forgotten (or is it ignored?) = segment of the demographics...us "adults" who remember how good radio COULD= be.This station was last owned by the Catholic Church, and even they could= not get it to work...they even resorted to selling blocks of airtime for a= n oldies show...on SUNDAY!But the station sat dark for a long time...until = a few weeks ago.I wish the new WOAP all the success in the world, and hope = that if it works, other stations might get the hint, and go back to doing i= t right.I for one, will go out of my way to do business with their new sponsors!G=A0=A0 --- On Tue, 9/29/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 12:33 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 Like I said, with prices like that, why bootleg? A $50 ticket on the Titantic might have seemed like a bargain as well. I live in more or less the same area. We have a five station mostly=20 automated cluster which is losing money hand over fist. An advertiser can= buy a=20 half dozen 30-second spots for the price of a single page in a local church= =20 bulletin and the stations are still filling slots with PSAs.=20 Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Sep 29 17:00:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96787 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 00:00:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 00:00:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 00:00:29 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n8TNxjMi028413 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:59:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c1d.6f9692d5 (39332) for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:59:39 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=P3_LchXizDvlGlpTCOA5Q175rqvFDtZEV3W2qmNmHT3mvxj277FzSsPGJYg4HQUr X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, The problem in small town America, especially here in the Mid South, is small businesses have no money for advertising. Many don't have money to pay their light bills. National advertisers go with the satellite feeds like Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.. Walmart has put just about everything except fast food out of business and even then people aren't eating out as much. Walmart doesn't buy radio ad time here. Their philosophy is that if you need something, where else are you going to go? I have to confess, I don't know what young people listen to nowadays. Given what I hear from their car radios, whatever it is doesn't exceed a hundred hertz. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Sep 29 18:31:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29744 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 01:31:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 01:31:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 01:31:43 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so1125119fga.13 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:31:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.86.231.19 with SMTP id d19mr4844655fgh.48.1254274303531; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d6sm572624fga.11.2009.09.29.18.31.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:30:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Z4xPF6y82mbrl2QCgH4-nQyc9W3qEHYOkhwNx7Lt348HOUhb58qD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit and how the sam hell is some one going to aford thata. a corporation with a huge ass pocket book ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 Like I said, with prices like that, why bootleg? A $50 ticket on the Titantic might have seemed like a bargain as well. I live in more or less the same area. We have a five station mostly automated cluster which is losing money hand over fist. An advertiser can buy a half dozen 30-second spots for the price of a single page in a local church bulletin and the stations are still filling slots with PSAs. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Sep 29 19:00:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46440 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 01:59:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 01:59:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f186.google.com) (209.85.221.186) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 01:59:55 -0000 X-Received: by qyk16 with SMTP id 16so4888521qyk.15 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:59:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.108.198 with SMTP id g6mr4871640qap.107.1254275994832; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.255.216? (dialup-4.152.255.216.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.255.216]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm104285qwg.53.2009.09.29.18.59.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC2BB86.2060906@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:59:34 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ZZ4lnsjLtEoxeJdMvxjdds9ItVKOLUtU-3vAVue5qi3ZQ-tZD0nLhDJDE4_ZSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > and how the sam hell is some one going to aford thata. That is CHEAP for an AM of any size. You can't even put up a tower and Ground System for that price. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Sep 29 19:08:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11244 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 02:08:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 02:08:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 02:08:20 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so1908126fgg.5 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:08:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.86.192.34 with SMTP id p34mr4811056fgf.28.1254276499164; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e20sm455475fga.4.2009.09.29.19.08.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <4AC2BB86.2060906@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:07:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=2BFlPqsxcBEwMv-iVmsoWKXKN7vUKdb4mP9PZYazhtscR2v4nLWe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't know my apologise the price sounded a bit high ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:59 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 hank smith wrote: > and how the sam hell is some one going to aford thata. That is CHEAP for an AM of any size. You can't even put up a tower and Ground System for that price. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Sep 29 20:44:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13456 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 03:44:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 03:44:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.145) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 03:44:13 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so1965217qwj.54 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:44:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.73.79 with SMTP id p15mr4993076qaj.228.1254282242607; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.255.216? (dialup-4.152.255.216.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.255.216]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm331035qwd.47.2009.09.29.20.44.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC2D3ED.9090307@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:43:41 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4AC2BB86.2060906@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=8HI-GexOtBQMLh8ucfJg2mnP-kmbPV7UB6h04L2GsREJRYKrYlUx8HD8MxptZA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > the price sounded a bit high To give you some idea of what they are priced at, the company I work for just Low balled a Bid of $600,000.00 on a Daytimer that will need a new transmitter, and all of the equipment in the studio is worn-out, and will also have to be replaced. We have a price of $150,000 for a new Transmitter from Nautel for that Station. After talking with Tom Ray of 710 WOR New York, I am going to price a Harris 3DX-50 this Week. It was before my time, but I think they paid about $60,000.00 for the Harris Gates 5 Transmitter that is on the air at 810 WQIZ. Look at it like this, you get the whole station for the price of a 5KW Transmitter! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Sep 30 01:14:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20700 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 08:14:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 08:14:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f180.google.com) (209.85.211.180) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 08:14:23 -0000 X-Received: by ywh10 with SMTP id 10so6524850ywh.8 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:14:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.91.105.3 with SMTP id h3mr4256712agm.6.1254298462954; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm4283575agb.10.2009.09.30.01.14.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8C8F902DC921464DA57E019D90A31BF4@experien3f2fc9> To: References: <4AC2BB86.2060906@gmail.com> <4AC2D3ED.9090307@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:14:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=bC7o7lHrunONszwUXZ73X9rfa7-I7c3bspoQ7QYdOsluzc_GOwY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thats more then a new house it seems like or close at least the 150 thousand jeez is it that costly to start a radio station on air like that? ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:43 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 hank smith wrote: > the price sounded a bit high To give you some idea of what they are priced at, the company I work for just Low balled a Bid of $600,000.00 on a Daytimer that will need a new transmitter, and all of the equipment in the studio is worn-out, and will also have to be replaced. We have a price of $150,000 for a new Transmitter from Nautel for that Station. After talking with Tom Ray of 710 WOR New York, I am going to price a Harris 3DX-50 this Week. It was before my time, but I think they paid about $60,000.00 for the Harris Gates 5 Transmitter that is on the air at 810 WQIZ. Look at it like this, you get the whole station for the price of a 5KW Transmitter! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Sep 30 02:16:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69162 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 09:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 09:16:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 09:16:00 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so1640077qwd.5 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:15:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.73.37 with SMTP id o37mr5381598qaj.252.1254302098596; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.255.216? (dialup-4.152.255.216.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.255.216]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm1029295qwj.4.2009.09.30.02.14.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC3217B.6090402@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:14:35 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4AC2BB86.2060906@gmail.com> <4AC2D3ED.9090307@gmail.com> <8C8F902DC921464DA57E019D90A31BF4@experien3f2fc9> In-Reply-To: <8C8F902DC921464DA57E019D90A31BF4@experien3f2fc9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=98AAKTM4npn3dYRRki-4Ai0ADWOdIBvq9aIXwwj2FwE0wyKwVYWWDLGmLZIj5g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > is it that costly to start a radio station on air like that? Yes, By the time you get the Construction Permit, Do the Paperwork, Do the Environmental Studies, Pay the Fees, Buy The land & Equipment, and What have you, you are getting out CHEAP if you can get on the Air for a Million Dollars. It is almost always cheaper to buy an existing Station, AM or FM, than it is to actually put one on the Air from Scratch. Then, of course there are the on-going expenses, such as the Rent, License Fees, ASCAP/BMI Fees, Power Bill, Legal Fees, Labor Fees, and the list goes on. THAT is why there are so many "Pirate" Radio Stations. These guys sink a Hundred Bucks or so into an Inferior Transmitter, sink another Hundred into the Studio, and make or buy a Hundred Dollar Antenna, and WHAM! They are on the Air! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Sep 30 02:21:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78725 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 09:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 09:21:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f201.google.com) (209.85.221.201) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 09:21:23 -0000 X-Received: by qyk39 with SMTP id 39so5173307qyk.31 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:21:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.10.147 with SMTP id p19mr5441920qap.166.1254302482777; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.255.216? (dialup-4.152.255.216.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.255.216]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm983097qwd.7.2009.09.30.02.21.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC322FB.4050809@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:20:59 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=fXznbUgbaP0SR1Bs5rpuiqLd5GFfktDf-V84Zib_tcHfNKRiBncs-UnvulmlGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I have to confess, I don't know what young people listen to nowadays. > Given what I hear from their car radios, whatever it is doesn't exceed a hundred > hertz. I am not sure what that noise is either, but I do KNOW it is from an iPod or CD. It sure ain't the Radio they are listening to! On the other hand, it amazes even me at how Young our Numbers skew with our EWTN Talk Format. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w6yn@juno.com Wed Sep 30 08:24:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17298 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 15:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.200) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 15:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 15:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFNG79CAPYKXKJ for (sender ); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:23:14 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2hT69h+ctWtsgxDzpffd6U= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PTQFTVPP; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:23:11 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.209.219] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:22:54 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:22:54 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20090930.082254.4505.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 1305 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:2594698158 X-MAIL-INFO:15dbdad33a97db3acbdb8a5b024e3337effbcf7e73779f87 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Struggling "public broadcasting" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=SWGyHQ__ANn-oignNXp3roMN-3ZbphScVsvLDY4uYg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Struggling "public broadcasting" Pledge Break: Some top "public broadcasting" executives are still making top dollar, duri= ng the recession: Authoritative pubcasting-watcher Current.org reviews the salary tables from= the Journal of Philanthropy surveying 325 organizations, and finds some bi= g compensation packages for members of the industry it covers.=20 WNYC, New York manager Laura Walker made $424,209 in fiscal 2008. (She=92s = been at the $400K level for years.) Jeff Clarke, CEO at Northern California= Public Broadcasting, did $406,501. WETA, Washington (radio and TV) preside= nt Sharon Percy Rockefeller made $391,904. WTTW, Chicago President Daniel S= chmidt made $347,491. Minnesota Public Radio and American Public Media Pres= ident Bill Kling did $347,217. (There used to be controversy about his addi= tional compensation from the outfit's for-profit arm.) MPR/APR CEO Jon McTa= ggart did $313,967. WGBH, Boston radio/TV President Jon Abbott banked $337,= 870. WNYC radio chief content officer Dean Cappello made $272,072. National= Public Radio interim CEO Dennis Haarsager took home $219,369. While former= NPR CEO Ken Stern hauled in a lot of his severance to show total 2008 comp= ensation of $1,319,541, with National Public Radio recognizing his four-yea= r contract.=20=20 From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Sep 30 10:57:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65218 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 17:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 17:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.95) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 17:57:26 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n8UHvF72015253 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:57:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c74.5ac0e063 (14502) for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:57:11 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=9U3JFHJFFkFLemUNzsj7caZL0P2oPJMZp0CPJ5p7X37h3NPmEq0ixTonzhtiHDTJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just as point of reference, KXOK in St. Louis, a fulltime 5 kW station that wasn't particularly popular at the time Storz bought it, sold for $3.5 million 1960 dollars. I suspect more than half of all AM stations, and more than that when it comes to smaller market lower power stations, aren't worth, as a business, the book value of their equipment. $60,000? How much do you think their guy line insulators are worth? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Sep 30 11:14:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43105 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 18:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 18:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 18:14:03 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n8UIDUlq001051 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:13:30 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c54.588bd8f8 (14502) for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:13:27 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=CM55ZtbA80B3HaUruaU848yzdub01sgm4OyIy5E0xvhaxDWszq3A4n6P9TN-eCn4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/30/2009 4:16:23 AM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > THAT is why there are so many "Pirate" Radio Stations. These guys sink a > Hundred Bucks or so into an Inferior Transmitter, sink another Hundred > into the Studio, and make or buy a Hundred Dollar Antenna, and WHAM! > They are on the Air! > WHAM? I didn't know that station in Rochester was pirate. I thought Westinghouse Broadcasting owned it at one time. With their kind of power and visibility, I would have thought the FCC would have cracked down before now. I maintain it is cheaper to get on licensed air than to go pirate if you can get any listeners for whatever you're putting out. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Sep 30 11:27:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61699 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 18:27:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 18:27:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.95) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 18:27:05 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n8UIQeOG007600 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:26:41 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.ce9.61024c05 (14502) for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:26:38 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Struggling "public broadcasting" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=2Xv7G_Ll-ShJYlqZ8nxBUO3E8zweWDzARiuFZZllYOchB9F75wZp5z-1yyPhdCqG X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit St. Louis's KWMU, licensed to the University of Missouri but essentially autonomous, has (or had) a real barracuda for a GM. She was fodder for the local alternative press. Her management style made that of High Chancellor Adam Sutler look like that of Ben and Jerry. She made an astronomical amount of money for running a nfp public station. The key to these individuals' salaries is not how well they can run a radio station, but how effective they are at fundraising, particularly with big donors, and grant writing. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Wed Sep 30 11:59:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90279 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 18:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 18:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 18:59:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2009 18:58:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2009 18:58:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:58:53 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=mq38wYPnrXSW0995GrjCxSUrngT84GKeOllvmyuR3XSUuYyBivKuJ_so X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon WHAM is licensed, but there is a government-operated "pirate" on 1180 kHz (= Radio Marti). The last time that I left Rochester, NY, in the spring of 19= 98, I recall that as I approached Buffalo, I started to hear the Spanish-la= nguage co-channel stations under WHAM. I use the plural form here because = if I remember correctly, the Cubans were jamming Radio Marti with their own= programming on 1180 kHz. On the original topic of this discussion, does anybody know anything about = the technical parameters of the station that is for sale and/or about the e= quipment that is included? --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 9/30/2009 4:16:23 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 > kj4hyd@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > THAT is why there are so many "Pirate" Radio Stations. These guys sink = a=20 > > Hundred Bucks or so into an Inferior Transmitter, sink another Hundred= =20 > > into the Studio, and make or buy a Hundred Dollar Antenna, and WHAM!=20 > > They are on the Air! > >=20 >=20 > WHAM? I didn't know that station in Rochester was pirate. I thought=20 > Westinghouse Broadcasting owned it at one time. With their kind of power= and=20 > visibility, I would have thought the FCC would have cracked down before n= ow. >=20 > I maintain it is cheaper to get on licensed air than to go pirate if you= =20 > can get any listeners for whatever you're putting out.=20=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Sep 30 16:10:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 385 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 23:10:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.201) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 23:10:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 23:10:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40400 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2009 23:09:04 -0000 Message-ID: <346814.39472.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: s0QPODoVM1k304ggU8PPNspFR_NEe99PqosgVb3hRrzDQqZrmZOM71EiQyKkBHYVn6daUmZoU7ht1qZlg3nmVkNrxhEy4pn4fZiFYVaQxrwJl9.PzZYLu7OjVB1lmRgXpb0ufngHNDngBcBDjKqiYsuvbhESgNvn7Dh4U_fJGo94Mlf1qyTh8md5R8osMcYGgnMT1I55cpijM938Brzgmw06EeRRUPxoPDT40WPV9eTg0JaKac6l0s6dZLrpWOr9LBjPzPzZVo2jm9CVRrKx.3Qi8lHBMEHOKU6m.7Dfrwsvtzy.VOPJluu8Eo6ZCRebWyljv7qBhxdJAI7awRkcFRcts8Zr6YanW0etYvp.v0FU2Bv.jK7qpbPB.e44S0g4WEPGzZeQ6ES9Tj05o2mLLh5rZn2eYDFO0VDKt.WvUOqT1BBsF8FpHvNmCF9hisGnsLpiQbf2P7RVnaPsWg-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:09:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:09:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=4-Tl8XLT_Wli3LTI7bJiJM5ilNTOR22Zzw6GtP74z1o9GA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yup, I agree with you, it is a struggle for some small operations to come u= p with the money, but I truly think that can be changed...maybe I'm just to= o optimistic, though. As for what you hear coming from car radios, I think there is a formula for= that junk:start at 1 kHz., and increase level 12 db for every octave down,= hard low-pass filter everything above 3 kHz. =A0All I hear in Detroit late= ly is a bunch of throbbing bass that rattles the windows on cars 50 feet aw= ay, and when there IS any vocal, most of it is nothing I would care to repe= at in mixed company! =A0That, or too MUCH treble when an iPod is being used= , with cymbals that sound like tearing cardboard.Why they pay "musicians"(?= ) so much to spew this crap I have no idea, but at least some of the local = police have started issuing tickets for excessive noise...emphaisis on "NOI= SE"! G =A0 --- On Tue, 9/29/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 7:59 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 George, The problem in small town America, especially here in the Mid South, is=20 small businesses have no money for advertising. Many don't have money to p= ay=20 their light bills. National advertisers go with the satellite feeds like=20 Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.. Walmart has put just about everything except fast food out of business and= =20 even then people aren't eating out as much. Walmart doesn't buy radio ad=20 time here. Their philosophy is that if you need something, where else are = you=20 going to go? I have to confess, I don't know what young people listen to nowadays.=20=20 Given what I hear from their car radios, whatever it is doesn't exceed a hu= ndred=20 hertz. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Sep 30 16:14:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28727 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 23:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 23:14:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 23:14:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12534 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep 2009 23:13:59 -0000 Message-ID: <630204.12440.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6nYvkYYVM1kzC_sKywtky5Z96jEpA2zvUvOrrPn4UJnJDNvRNiqiRySb_jRB87dQ.Jr7FoeMeKciKEdxrg1WS87scRXctZfozEUBpWaBEUxZFGgN4Pa1Z_7UBczYg7M0bDGAl48I8kysqFbgWH2ZeI12j217GWMhlpuS4ygLNrsORD5LO.7fenF26clKhu3bB9Mdiyw4rkNKnRNEUNC4k4zYn8FDf29uvtMpDDUUunZKDljmWeSjjA53BraOAufmjMfxzhJSlwL5XLNi9hUR7MKvS.sxCFevVNKW0UbXqDamsjnAZBU2h14ImPOqP3QU..8RagaUGe9cDk_oJzH4S9DWkXPGsVx_inuOyRqT27G95GrEFOtuHBGCjm2DQuKRzaQUJSApYCZIddjJGcEYwUPrgMl4y1ph33rb3L9OB2XjKmQlu4.eXP5urY5PKd6GXFWuZmIsd64NcjcH X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:13:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:13:59 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4AC3217B.6090402@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=P9GpGa0my9W8JOt59wjjWhrrYhRXlHgO7REdOjKtKMRImQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And this of course insures that only the big guys can get on the air...and = lean their way.Thank God for the pirates! =A0Some may be dirty, but I've al= so heard some that run a class operation, decent morals, great audio, and N= O political or corporate BS!G --- On Wed, 9/30/09, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 5:14 AM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 hank smith wrote: > is it that costly to start a radio station on air like that? Yes, By the time you get the Construction Permit, Do the Paperwork, Do=20 the Environmental Studies, Pay the Fees, Buy The land & Equipment, and=20 What have you, you are getting out CHEAP if you can get on the Air for a=20 Million Dollars. It is almost always cheaper to buy an existing Station,=20 AM or FM, than it is to actually put one on the Air from Scratch. Then, of course there are the on-going expenses, such as the Rent,=20 License Fees, ASCAP/BMI Fees, Power Bill, Legal Fees, Labor Fees, and=20 the list goes on. THAT is why there are so many "Pirate" Radio Stations. These guys sink a=20 Hundred Bucks or so into an Inferior Transmitter, sink another Hundred=20 into the Studio, and make or buy a Hundred Dollar Antenna, and WHAM!=20 They are on the Air! --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Sep 30 16:36:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27807 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2009 23:35:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2009 23:35:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f205.google.com) (209.85.220.205) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2009 23:35:58 -0000 X-Received: by fxm1 with SMTP id 1so5625281fxm.31 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:35:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.86.103.19 with SMTP id a19mr525485fgc.54.1254353756012; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.167? (dialup-4.152.204.167.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l19sm136260fgb.17.2009.09.30.16.35.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC3EB41.5010208@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:35:29 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <630204.12440.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <630204.12440.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=bCZU0X6Hhxm9jS5FHHwaPgm0jY-DjAbUEkTcOzKmPggHS1GCWmExnopO4pZ2pw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 george russell wrote: > Thank God for the pirates! Some may be dirty, but I've also heard some that run a class operation, decent morals, great audio, and NO political or corporate BS!G When I was in Fort Lauderdale, there was a Pirate on the air, Lynks-FM http://www.lynksfm.com/ , that was running commercials and doing a so much Public Service, they WON all sorts of Awards and was really Big in the market. They were by FAR the best station in the market! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Sep 30 17:17:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91380 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 00:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (69.147.108.202) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 00:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 00:17:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 00:17:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 00:17:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:17:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0CF4D5CFBB1D47148587D39B25992339@experien3f2fc9> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=eDNn24_EIseXKW88eM4GuEKqdsc_kSTFc7uA5VWJ1bN1 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > what does this thing do=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 same thing an FM Stereo Generator does to a FM transmitter. make a mono tra= nsmitter stereo. From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Sep 30 17:24:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11177 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 00:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 00:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 00:24:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 00:24:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 00:24:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:24:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=bb6x8n9NhqOroPUPmWqUnnb3L-m20iDUa6H3gqLqEX_A X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Is it compatible with "any" TX? >=20 > How much above your value do you think the costs to my country, Chile, So= uth America? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 yes it is compatible with any transmitter. would probably be $450.00 shippe= d to chile. I sent a motorola exciter to austrailia a while back and that cost about $2= 00.00 using the cheapest shipping method. From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Wed Sep 30 17:34:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79751 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 00:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 00:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 00:34:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 00:34:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 00:34:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:34:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <346814.39472.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=-pkEDDnVdxabY2ZkCaK_X1AHbFvWygSNuOCGQl23oNX20GcDjxEUl6-Z X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > As for what you hear coming from car radios, I think there is a > formula for that junk:start at 1 kHz., and increase level 12 db for > every octave down, hard low-pass filter everything above 3 kHz. The poor bozos who drive these cars will surely be deaf by the time they hi= t 30, if they aren't already. Perhaps, the secret is that because they are= deaf, the only way they can experience the music is by feeling the bass no= tes rattling the car apart. Imagine taking one of these cars to Central America and listening to the co= -channel interference of the poorly maintained, off-frequency AM transmitte= rs that reside there. The car's sound system would then become a massage d= evice, with different massage experiences being achieved by tuning to diffe= rent spots on the dial! Co-channel heterodynes up to 200 Hz are not uncomm= on over there!! Either some of those countries do not specify frequency to= lerances for broadcast transmitters, or nobody cares to enforce the rules. --Alfredo From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Sep 30 19:08:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17951 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 02:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 02:08:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 02:08:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6101 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2009 02:08:36 -0000 Message-ID: <948674.4901.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: LU1N4dYVM1lfdO4Go_i.Of3gTcFiyB8v86.2KNXR2SibLsmGAwvSDt54dArcM4iHtEbw3dnbQrbHP96z1GcsS.iBuaTlslnxsRo1wsYS1dcIKYAHAZbANmZRjaIae2ZbwdRZsmAbLfRp4tUIsCsxw2nT00QHRxcD8dJwjgE3gKmCorQKDEWesraNJBz5qJ0WUCnijAnO9YebRm3QKz82TAp9w7YFAuTfZclVH2sajI_BZKO3YfccNpf28PM4IXrWL4vghNFNlFgGwhMFL1O5IsNy1JsEDpDPZtzUI0QnOD1x5cf6FxnHwtrT0DAaFHp6fuDwrNHsPMpR1_UU5xcJ5rRypgQl3p6gZfGsetnfm_QC8XPGIruNXqBEiRperJHVj0chh0WlYGj0_gE3a.vCQYtS5Ezd35k_edT0kNQJiV2H4.dcH3QHJ79NquiCkNZU1lWLuUMBpRnmaFhU3Q-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:08:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:08:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=SKyc2Z8q8JTNmGmWjVa8kyGQs_v5YVowINLKhhnCTL7fNw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Deaf, and possibly worse. =A0Wasn't there a study not too long ago that fou= nd such LF levels can cause heart arythmia? (probably spelled that wrong) = =A0When the movie "Earthquake" was presented in Sensurround in the 70s, I r= ecall hearing some odd effects it had on some viewers, not the least of whi= ch was my mother's glasses kept sliding down on her nose! (honestly!)I like= bass, if it is realistic in amplitude and waveform, but who needs KILOwatt= s of it?G=A0 --- On Wed, 9/30/09, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 8:34 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell wrote: > > As for what you hear coming from car radios, I think there is a > formula for that junk:start at 1 kHz., and increase level 12 db for > every octave down, hard low-pass filter everything above 3 kHz. The poor bozos who drive these cars will surely be deaf by the time they hi= t 30, if they aren't already. Perhaps, the secret is that because they are= deaf, the only way they can experience the music is by feeling the bass no= tes rattling the car apart. Imagine taking one of these cars to Central America and listening to the co= -channel interference of the poorly maintained, off-frequency AM transmitte= rs that reside there. The car's sound system would then become a massage d= evice, with different massage experiences being achieved by tuning to diffe= rent spots on the dial! Co-channel heterodynes up to 200 Hz are not uncomm= on over there!! Either some of those countries do not specify frequency to= lerances for broadcast transmitters, or nobody cares to enforce the rules. --Alfredo =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Sep 30 21:34:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84342 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 04:34:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 04:34:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 04:34:34 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n914YPWa024401 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:34:26 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d01.5f92cdab (29678) for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:34:24 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=THS1Pdc6JIjpPsk99b9MOoUyB_H4-Fv1K7GAUMKKuBAIuxRk0qdaf9QPihuQMmV8 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does it use the existing crystal and oven for the frequency reference and reinsert the phase modulated carrier into the rest of the drive chain? I imagine how well it works with any transmitter depends on the phase shift in the transmitter's audio chain over frequency. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Sep 30 23:16:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61526 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 06:16:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 06:16:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f194.google.com) (209.85.221.194) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 06:16:45 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qy0-f194.google.com with SMTP id 32so5551608qyk.1 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:16:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.119.154 with SMTP id z26mr919236qcq.38.1254377805396; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm326792qwg.33.2009.09.30.23.16.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <630204.12440.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:16:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=nMUh3xzZtNaEJr9-5uFwyPFKiYyBcYNpkznxETM0uE2oZo4h7lfB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit now that is the kind of pirate I would put up aany spafifics I could look at listening to and other info eg transmitters etc etc. how they are clas as well? ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 And this of course insures that only the big guys can get on the air...and lean their way.Thank God for the pirates! Some may be dirty, but I've also heard some that run a class operation, decent morals, great audio, and NO political or corporate BS!G --- On Wed, 9/30/09, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 5:14 AM hank smith wrote: > is it that costly to start a radio station on air like that? Yes, By the time you get the Construction Permit, Do the Paperwork, Do the Environmental Studies, Pay the Fees, Buy The land & Equipment, and What have you, you are getting out CHEAP if you can get on the Air for a Million Dollars. It is almost always cheaper to buy an existing Station, AM or FM, than it is to actually put one on the Air from Scratch. Then, of course there are the on-going expenses, such as the Rent, License Fees, ASCAP/BMI Fees, Power Bill, Legal Fees, Labor Fees, and the list goes on. THAT is why there are so many "Pirate" Radio Stations. These guys sink a Hundred Bucks or so into an Inferior Transmitter, sink another Hundred into the Studio, and make or buy a Hundred Dollar Antenna, and WHAM! They are on the Air! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Sep 30 23:16:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95526 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 06:16:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 06:16:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.148) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 06:16:47 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so2420967qwc.6 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:15:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.31.147 with SMTP id y19mr961165qcc.5.1254377746690; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm342737qwb.21.2009.09.30.23.15.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <81B3F38DF76A4863A16AAD478E0FE61B@experien3f2fc9> To: References: <346814.39472.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:15:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=dpL7nCXi3CQp-pdQgd28H2Trn-LNx7cxOqtgYxGYAFvoXyL7QwdB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hate the crud that gives you a head ake also when it rattles not only your car wendows but your house ones to. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 Yup, I agree with you, it is a struggle for some small operations to come up with the money, but I truly think that can be changed...maybe I'm just too optimistic, though. As for what you hear coming from car radios, I think there is a formula for that junk:start at 1 kHz., and increase level 12 db for every octave down, hard low-pass filter everything above 3 kHz. All I hear in Detroit lately is a bunch of throbbing bass that rattles the windows on cars 50 feet away, and when there IS any vocal, most of it is nothing I would care to repeat in mixed company! That, or too MUCH treble when an iPod is being used, with cymbals that sound like tearing cardboard.Why they pay "musicians"(?) so much to spew this crap I have no idea, but at least some of the local police have started issuing tickets for excessive noise...emphaisis on "NOISE"! G --- On Tue, 9/29/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 7:59 PM George, The problem in small town America, especially here in the Mid South, is small businesses have no money for advertising. Many don't have money to pay their light bills. National advertisers go with the satellite feeds like Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.. Walmart has put just about everything except fast food out of business and even then people aren't eating out as much. Walmart doesn't buy radio ad time here. Their philosophy is that if you need something, where else are you going to go? I have to confess, I don't know what young people listen to nowadays. Given what I hear from their car radios, whatever it is doesn't exceed a hundred hertz. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Sep 30 23:19:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11788 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 06:19:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 06:19:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 06:19:09 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so1645774qwb.27 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:19:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.69.83 with SMTP id y19mr922362qci.50.1254377948113; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm337319qwa.40.2009.09.30.23.19.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <630204.12440.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4AC3EB41.5010208@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:18:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=f3x2ZTZG3jy0RG8Mpwu2gt32TEvlFtKNm1T5lXYeAbECjRbDFxQi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what was there power output? do they open admit to being a pirate? ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 george russell wrote: > Thank God for the pirates! Some may be dirty, but I've also heard some that run a class operation, decent morals, great audio, and NO political or corporate BS!G When I was in Fort Lauderdale, there was a Pirate on the air, Lynks-FM http://www.lynksfm.com/ , that was running commercials and doing a so much Public Service, they WON all sorts of Awards and was really Big in the market. They were by FAR the best station in the market! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Sep 30 23:43:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70845 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 06:43:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 06:43:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f199.google.com) (209.85.221.199) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 06:43:13 -0000 X-Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37so5488235qyk.11 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:43:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.36.195 with SMTP id u3mr938047qcd.61.1254379386211; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm50162qwa.10.2009.09.30.23.43.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <99A9F4E08B4F4B58806A1CB23E782A27@experien3f2fc9> To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:42:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=wCGntOwongsVoSJDBOIjb10-PpdT0r0IixLVdH5GSjioYvFkDDCU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit y hace one for part15 transmitters? ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > what does this thing do > ----- Original Message ----- same thing an FM Stereo Generator does to a FM transmitter. make a mono transmitter stereo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Sep 30 23:46:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87842 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 06:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 06:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f179.google.com) (209.85.221.179) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 06:45:57 -0000 X-Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so11895699qyk.30 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:45:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.31.9 with SMTP id w9mr976382qcc.17.1254379534285; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm328803qwk.36.2009.09.30.23.45.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1769B1CDA4714B9F8CF2DAD6B65EA198@experien3f2fc9> To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:45:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=J9l9pZ6vSllsEpt5gvYNeKkANubK5STMT_NXYAQuDoPqChWslLEo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can I get some recordings of those? ----- Original Message ----- From: AlfredoT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > As for what you hear coming from car radios, I think there is a > formula for that junk:start at 1 kHz., and increase level 12 db for > every octave down, hard low-pass filter everything above 3 kHz. The poor bozos who drive these cars will surely be deaf by the time they hit 30, if they aren't already. Perhaps, the secret is that because they are deaf, the only way they can experience the music is by feeling the bass notes rattling the car apart. Imagine taking one of these cars to Central America and listening to the co-channel interference of the poorly maintained, off-frequency AM transmitters that reside there. The car's sound system would then become a massage device, with different massage experiences being achieved by tuning to different spots on the dial! Co-channel heterodynes up to 200 Hz are not uncommon over there!! Either some of those countries do not specify frequency tolerances for broadcast transmitters, or nobody cares to enforce the rules. --Alfredo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Sep 30 23:57:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97514 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 06:57:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 06:57:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f181.google.com) (209.85.221.181) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 06:57:22 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qy0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 11so5666573qyk.20 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:57:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.118.135 with SMTP id v7mr954651qcq.62.1254379902511; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm150919qwj.24.2009.09.30.23.51.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <924BBA394AC747AF92743A5B6F061E3C@experien3f2fc9> To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:51:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=PlFPBPH9xoDmXXfca7erOnTvGTziJrStFG0hdF5xs_1MdrgDPTES Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how do you hook this up? do you have to open up the monal transmitter? can you tell me how a exciter is hooked up? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter Does it use the existing crystal and oven for the frequency reference and reinsert the phase modulated carrier into the rest of the drive chain? I imagine how well it works with any transmitter depends on the phase shift in the transmitter's audio chain over frequency. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Oct 01 00:19:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57308 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 07:19:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 07:19:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f183.google.com) (209.85.221.183) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 07:19:37 -0000 X-Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so5422051qyk.18 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:18:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.68.30 with SMTP id t30mr916257qci.97.1254379751094; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm163248qwe.55.2009.09.30.23.49.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <948674.4901.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:48:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Ow3Iqq83pfMXoMpqQfvNSXJ0a7942uF6Js3GPykjG5OmUG4ea4ye Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can I get the name of the movie? want to see what the effects does to me ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 Deaf, and possibly worse. Wasn't there a study not too long ago that found such LF levels can cause heart arythmia? (probably spelled that wrong) When the movie "Earthquake" was presented in Sensurround in the 70s, I recall hearing some odd effects it had on some viewers, not the least of which was my mother's glasses kept sliding down on her nose! (honestly!)I like bass, if it is realistic in amplitude and waveform, but who needs KILOwatts of it?G --- On Wed, 9/30/09, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 8:34 PM --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell wrote: > > As for what you hear coming from car radios, I think there is a > formula for that junk:start at 1 kHz., and increase level 12 db for > every octave down, hard low-pass filter everything above 3 kHz. The poor bozos who drive these cars will surely be deaf by the time they hit 30, if they aren't already. Perhaps, the secret is that because they are deaf, the only way they can experience the music is by feeling the bass notes rattling the car apart. Imagine taking one of these cars to Central America and listening to the co-channel interference of the poorly maintained, off-frequency AM transmitters that reside there. The car's sound system would then become a massage device, with different massage experiences being achieved by tuning to different spots on the dial! Co-channel heterodynes up to 200 Hz are not uncommon over there!! Either some of those countries do not specify frequency tolerances for broadcast transmitters, or nobody cares to enforce the rules. --Alfredo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 01 04:09:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25784 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 11:09:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 11:09:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f195.google.com) (209.85.212.195) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 11:09:38 -0000 X-Received: by vws33 with SMTP id 33so9716vws.33 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:09:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.107.103 with SMTP id a39mr2062401vcp.6.1254395377576; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.153? (dialup-4.152.204.153.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm458341qyk.8.2009.10.01.04.09.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC48DD3.3020001@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:09:07 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <630204.12440.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4AC3EB41.5010208@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=A3EtvUeXzN9kopcH-jG9goEI-bd4PU13oBBGrZCcoKL306RNqIb7E-F5TB79IA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > what was there power output? > They sounded like they were around 500 Watts, but had several Transmitters along the South Florida Coast from Miami to West Palm Beach > do they open admit to being a pirate? > Other than the fact they said no Call Letters at the top of the hour, no they sounded like a WELL RUN Commercial Station. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 01 06:33:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62166 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 13:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 13:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 13:33:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 13:32:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 13:32:54 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:32:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <924BBA394AC747AF92743A5B6F061E3C@experien3f2fc9> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=I4LxmvEvRXQSPgMGShbIdzspTHw5zq5QbUoW2MajxoaOwKzlgNOnLQs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The AM Stereo exiciters I'm familiar with you simply remove the existing tr= ansmitter crystal and take the output of the CQuam exciter into where you r= emoved the crystal. There is also some audio delay circuitry built in to m= ake sure that the L+R mono stays timed with the L-R stereo audio. On some = old steel you might have to buffer the CQuam output into the transmitter cr= ystal input - I think Mike had to do that in Wymoming for his old Continent= al?? Now many of the newer Nautel and newer Harris transmitters have a card "slo= t" that can be used as either a backup or for CQuam. WGN took out the ster= eo card and used the slot to have a backup for another transmitter function= (prior to IBOC). Many BE transmitters even had CQuam built into them (for= free) in the late 80's and 90's as did some of the Nautel 90's transmitter= s. 73's John From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 01 06:36:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70537 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 13:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 13:36:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 13:36:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36619 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2009 13:36:19 -0000 Message-ID: <874922.35660.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mgKpMzwVM1lyJcFkgDoICHCpwrMJCbAslozIRd6A0ER_RXZswaNbGokJyKQK6TlhHOPEoJb.x9eIBlKsLsGDT89k9DBTaSVWnY4S8_BZ1rk.W5hmaghz2w2X8HxxyxyMjS9j5OkhP0UGHG.yyaNlA3ODp9TpK9m31D.Gk_9p.YksEyy4kK.bBIJ14qXFgyoud3JkUgc2kzEIBWQ_ugfB.HOv996j.To_IZMG5Yf9dWPmdq1hZn94q60ki_2qCbuAb1YZQOYH7HzmeftSd3ny3jsz_x6mJWuugWhnFuKemIHWhsUuz8Lgk3ZS.ckf5bD16KCWPEPM0619aVFRqZPj8QkrgN1gM9psCjOZkTdEGNmyV9rHPwnxlNjG1flr_7rMEkIbdcI- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 06:36:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 06:36:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: $60K AM and Pirates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=KgdlaRR-ZZzNvTRgjD7tSJYGz1dtS3qX_89pyucCan_wiBRam7-Brs8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If you had the coin, $60K is a great price for a station as long as you had extra money, investors, advertisers to keep it running for at least the first year while you build it up. There was a pirate somewhere around Detroit that had a nice clean signal around 1200 KHz that only ran around the holidays, and most times they literally just played record albums, like Bing Crosby Christmas LP's - pretty decent audio too, but they never ID'd or anything, just kept playing music. Still have no idea of their exact location or power or anything. John From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Oct 01 12:54:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18390 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 19:54:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 19:54:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 19:54:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 19:53:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Oct 2009 19:53:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:53:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 98.221.231.235 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=7bVOBK9ITDB2Lu1LqEjfUU09ElfWqWq8Th3ASq2l5189 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Last Call before ebay. $325.00 (paypal) ($300.00 if paying with a USPS Money order.) plus shipping= . will ship to anywhere in the world using the quickest method you are will= ing to pay for. insurance is mandatory. Contact me at Classifieds_Notify at Comcast dot net Since there seems to be interest from parts other then US/CA and i now have= access to paypal, i have changed the pricing to what is above. I have high quality pictures I can email. I have taken internal and externa= l pictures. I will be listing on ebay as a buy it now, not as an auction. From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 01 14:37:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85842 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 21:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 21:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 21:37:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n91LbeQC011439 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:37:41 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d0b.5884569f (41809) for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:37:38 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=_O_w46LWyO-WVSytG9I6-Hc9_-Cl-tKOIfV56hs8IyvpLLzStjDdxbbdAiLvijRP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/2009 1:17:27 AM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > now that is the kind of pirate I would put up > FM pirates are somewhat practical. Several hundred watts into a small antenna will provide enough ERP to cover a good distance and area. Unless you have a setup like Radio Caroline. it takes alot to get anywhere on AM. If you have something that someone wants to hear, chances are you can get on licensed air nowadays. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 01 16:25:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50417 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 23:25:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 23:25:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 23:25:09 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n91NOp6W029367 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:24:51 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c82.51dc1e62 (39330) for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:24:45 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=BJZ126rkRlVdaeVaYXBS0YOYT0wbooFbWfyOeio0A8P2zGvgoWiTlTIRrb8kSxei X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/2009 1:43:40 AM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > y hace one for part15 transmitters? > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the AX-10 has a low level composite (complete AM Stereo) signal output. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 01 16:29:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35928 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 23:29:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 23:29:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 23:29:27 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n91NTKtb011948 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:29:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bc3.55d5f2a6 (39330) for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:29:17 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=3s81hkJoSCtkeXca4n4y7vVhiAzDEJN3fqc0M6B3tSVVtZHJua4sgWG5u3HMdXTX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/2009 6:10:01 AM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > Other than the fact they said no Call Letters at the top of the hour, no > they sounded like a WELL RUN Commercial Station. > That sounds like the unquestionably LICENSED stations here, at least partially. No, they don't do legal IDs either however few would call them a well run commercial station. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 01 16:34:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45621 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 23:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 23:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 23:33:58 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n91NXPIb005809 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:33:25 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c48.44b5ff36 (39330) for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:33:19 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Qb39guu1jHtpD1civpCQLZgnWeQD_oV2Ek9iaBSOsNFptMqneNu-y38wKqNP-nHN X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/2009 8:33:37 AM Central Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > The AM Stereo exiciters I'm familiar with you simply remove the existing > transmitter crystal and take the output of the CQuam exciter into where you > removed the crystal. There is also some audio delay circuitry built in to > make sure that the L+R mono stays timed with the L-R stereo audio. On some > old steel you might have to buffer the CQuam output into the transmitter > crystal input - I think Mike had to do that in Wymoming for his old > Continental?? > Most AM exciters have a delay facility, but a problem arises when the delay is not consistent across the audio spectrum. As designed, audio phase shift had no effect in normal AM. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 01 16:35:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55811 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2009 23:35:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 2009 23:35:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2009 23:35:52 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n91NZAlv024921 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:35:10 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d24.5533b6c6 (39330) for ; Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:35:06 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} $60K AM and Pirates X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8oyiCoV1Yq83VvApfPU5AycbVLAjTbOIkXHerbZe9YuV4Xunksd3BwbDiOYVOy9c X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/2009 8:36:44 AM Central Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > There was a pirate somewhere around Detroit that had a nice clean signal > around 1200 KHz that only ran around the holidays, and most times they > literally just played record albums, like Bing Crosby Christmas LP's - pretty > decent audio too, but they never ID'd or anything, just kept playing music. > Still have no idea of their exact location or power or anything. > Wasn't that WGAR in Cleveland? :) Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Oct 01 17:26:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90714 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 00:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 00:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 00:26:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2009 00:26:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2009 00:26:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:26:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=MFsy7cEYAsYVAMfph_suZTKbBTJSHGHE5c2OTmyrimvM X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 10/1/2009 1:43:40 AM Central Daylight Time,=20 > hanksmith5@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > y hace one for part15 transmitters? > >=20 >=20 > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the AX-10 has a low level composite= =20 > (complete AM Stereo) signal output. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > it has a 80 mW composite output that modulates L+R and L-R. this is a synth= esized transmitter i believe. From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Oct 01 18:10:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17347 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 01:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 01:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f226.google.com) (209.85.220.226) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 01:10:48 -0000 X-Received: by fxm26 with SMTP id 26so1788172fxm.23 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:09:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.86.174.2 with SMTP id w2mr1815347fge.0.1254445764504; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d4sm301393fga.22.2009.10.01.18.09.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <630204.12440.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4AC3EB41.5010208@gmail.com> <4AC48DD3.3020001@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:09:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=C1OD3-cRblCvYJiPl-Sfml05fcPToD3ZAZ_eiZGli7M7liAvVYjC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit why hasn't the fcc shut them down if there elegal? ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 4:09 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 hank smith wrote: > what was there power output? > They sounded like they were around 500 Watts, but had several Transmitters along the South Florida Coast from Miami to West Palm Beach > do they open admit to being a pirate? > Other than the fact they said no Call Letters at the top of the hour, no they sounded like a WELL RUN Commercial Station. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Oct 01 18:14:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14222 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 01:14:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 01:14:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 01:14:14 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so1913075fga.16 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:13:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.86.164.6 with SMTP id m6mr1791566fge.42.1254445992552; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm401859fgg.14.2009.10.01.18.13.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <107FCA9F068D4421A70AFC29DF574CDD@experien3f2fc9> To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:13:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=wr4kQuPv-csbvvkxz-H3bA9AvlTlh1Co3OHOcBQDIJefeQGHEpTz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how would I do this with sstran? ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:32 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter The AM Stereo exiciters I'm familiar with you simply remove the existing transmitter crystal and take the output of the CQuam exciter into where you removed the crystal. There is also some audio delay circuitry built in to make sure that the L+R mono stays timed with the L-R stereo audio. On some old steel you might have to buffer the CQuam output into the transmitter crystal input - I think Mike had to do that in Wymoming for his old Continental?? Now many of the newer Nautel and newer Harris transmitters have a card "slot" that can be used as either a backup or for CQuam. WGN took out the stereo card and used the slot to have a backup for another transmitter function (prior to IBOC). Many BE transmitters even had CQuam built into them (for free) in the late 80's and 90's as did some of the Nautel 90's transmitters. 73's John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 01 19:37:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29176 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 02:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 02:37:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f186.google.com) (209.85.221.186) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 02:37:30 -0000 X-Received: by qyk16 with SMTP id 16so659220qyk.15 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:36:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.94.198 with SMTP id a6mr430640qan.251.1254450989876; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.33? (dialup-4.152.204.33.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.33]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm252572qyk.4.2009.10.01.19.36.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC5670E.7040001@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:35:58 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <630204.12440.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4AC3EB41.5010208@gmail.com> <4AC48DD3.3020001@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=iL946uiSMTRCNezpGZVKXmtL24IxR9c0gSXStfy2nX3hw_Dtp9IgyZ3XlcN_Zg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > why hasn't the fcc shut them down if there elegal? The same reason the FCC has not shut down a LOT of pirates: Lack of Funds, Lack of Manpower, Lack of Complaints, No bleed-over to Aircraft, Ham, or Public Service bands. The FCC almost ALWAYS goes after the "Dirty" Pirates first. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Oct 01 19:43:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98861 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 02:43:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 02:43:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f186.google.com) (209.85.221.186) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 02:43:26 -0000 X-Received: by qyk16 with SMTP id 16so662915qyk.15 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.43.102 with SMTP id v38mr478252qae.104.1254451406326; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.33? (dialup-4.152.204.33.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.33]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm191117qwf.32.2009.10.01.19.43.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC568AE.9010709@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:42:54 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=iRXWyrSJjq88GTJ6651N2rJKMMYLcfALrKez_ydTiPXWKtZte1c_v6sxpeDDhg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > That sounds like the unquestionably LICENSED stations here, at least > partially. No, they don't do legal IDs either Why not record airchecks of them and get them Busted? > however few would call them a well run commercial station. The LICENSED stations in the Miami - Ft. Lauderdale market SUCKS. Really, Lynks-FM was the ONLY decent station to listen to. They were Live & Local, was out doing Remotes, and doing TONS of Public Service, all while the Licensed Stations just turned on the Automation and went home. I have an iPod if I want to hear that! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Oct 01 21:38:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53221 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 04:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 04:38:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 04:38:07 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so312506fgg.13 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:38:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.86.217.8 with SMTP id p8mr1875700fgg.73.1254457902458; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm608761fge.24.2009.10.01.21.31.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:31:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Vq1zyJkj0X9dlXvIEHQjj5hW84hhYFmNICCBqWoWUdgFZ-gTmLE5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit any sites for pirate rigs? parshally kidding but naturally curious ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 In a message dated 10/1/2009 1:17:27 AM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > now that is the kind of pirate I would put up > FM pirates are somewhat practical. Several hundred watts into a small antenna will provide enough ERP to cover a good distance and area. Unless you have a setup like Radio Caroline. it takes alot to get anywhere on AM. If you have something that someone wants to hear, chances are you can get on licensed air nowadays. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Oct 01 22:22:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23065 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 05:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 05:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f177.google.com) (209.85.221.177) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 05:22:15 -0000 X-Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so719187qyk.10 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:21:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.50.141 with SMTP id z13mr507624qaf.293.1254460892979; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm462636qwi.8.2009.10.01.22.21.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <96BF0484906347779BC627C247D4FB30@experien3f2fc9> To: References: <4AC568AE.9010709@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:21:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=9FcJ7RlFHCP4Ew8n_xBhCatCz8TREknkheg3wTTkSYCuyFF4rVsC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well said in this way go elegal pirates!!! automation sucks royal d*** ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > That sounds like the unquestionably LICENSED stations here, at least > partially. No, they don't do legal IDs either Why not record airchecks of them and get them Busted? > however few would call them a well run commercial station. The LICENSED stations in the Miami - Ft. Lauderdale market SUCKS. Really, Lynks-FM was the ONLY decent station to listen to. They were Live & Local, was out doing Remotes, and doing TONS of Public Service, all while the Licensed Stations just turned on the Automation and went home. I have an iPod if I want to hear that! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Oct 01 22:26:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14081 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 05:26:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 05:26:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 05:26:23 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so284880qwi.53 for ; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:26:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.74.207 with SMTP id v15mr505838qaj.295.1254460816034; Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm85074qwk.26.2009.10.01.22.20.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8D7A636EA3F440B8A423429BF1CDE720@experien3f2fc9> To: References: <630204.12440.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4AC3EB41.5010208@gmail.com> <4AC48DD3.3020001@gmail.com> <4AC5670E.7040001@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 22:19:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Zl5ioE2H-ZYThVeFz_VkvoJlyS4UxA0dr-Dmo21f8l_mYZzyzO_Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ah that makes sense ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 7:35 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 hank smith wrote: > why hasn't the fcc shut them down if there elegal? The same reason the FCC has not shut down a LOT of pirates: Lack of Funds, Lack of Manpower, Lack of Complaints, No bleed-over to Aircraft, Ham, or Public Service bands. The FCC almost ALWAYS goes after the "Dirty" Pirates first. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 02 04:07:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31886 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 11:07:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 11:07:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f179.google.com) (209.85.221.179) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 11:07:05 -0000 X-Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so1527187qyk.30 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:07:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.64.162 with SMTP id e34mr777412qai.150.1254481623223; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.33? (dialup-4.152.204.33.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.33]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm409097qwk.36.2009.10.02.04.06.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC5DEB3.8050001@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:06:27 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=y1NNshPFtZ1JmLMgPeg-meBddBitAp4zGgq8w1w6qHPImW739RzhLbL_kIb2Xw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > any sites for pirate rigs? > http://www.freeradio.org/ http://www.ldbrewer.com/pirate/main.html > parshally kidding but naturally curious If you really don't know what you are doing, it is a GOOD idea to get a "Turn-Key" system that you KNOW is going to work when you put it together, otherwise you CAN find what you need on Ebay, but had better really know what you are doing when you put it together and tune the system. Also HIDE the Antenna. If the Feds can see the antenna, it makes you a sitting duck when they come out looking for your station. Just kidding, I would NEVER do such a thing myself. :-) -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Oct 02 08:36:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35495 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 15:36:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 15:36:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 15:36:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2009 15:35:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2009 15:35:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:35:36 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <107FCA9F068D4421A70AFC29DF574CDD@experien3f2fc9> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=ZkEZ9ewiQp4pCMrovNfZm4eU3piW5PPqDmNkXFFLV6dd X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd this transmitter has an 80 mW sample output. it's full modulated CQUAM L+R,= L-R. AM Stereo Carrier (L-R) and AM Mono Carrier L+R. so this is a part 15= AM Stereo Transmitter. it is not crystal controlled, but synthesized and frequency selectable via = dip switches. I know i will be shooting myself in the foot as far as selling this, but i = don't want any disappointments. you really need to know what you are doing with this to set it up properly. it is not as easy as setting up the greek transmitters or the alfredo/ chri= s cuff tx's. you at minimum need a o-scope, and VOM. recommended is a scope , stereo mod= ulation monitor, VOM, and Spec Analyzer. and it should be noted that this is a 25 y/o piece of equipment that will m= ore than likely need a recapping. but for those who can set it up properly it is a superior piece of equipmen= t for part 15 broadcasting. From w6yn@juno.com Fri Oct 02 08:42:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56473 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 15:42:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 15:42:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 15:42:16 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFNNEEKAEYRTXA for (sender ); Fri, 2 Oct 2009 07:39:05 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDwpEWuiqq5tRKZOwKKScc6g= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PTVH33J2; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 07:38:49 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.209.219] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:38:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:38:45 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091002.073845.6645.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 351 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:2511244407 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Ontario’s last AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=S8pbYqS4dyvHrrW8IZMnytpAj388OrO2qZn5XRHrMw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn They turned out the lights at Sudbury, Ontario=92s last AM. Its successor? = CHR =93Hot=94 FM. Like so many other Canadian AMs =96 even ones with 75-year-deep roots and 5= 0-kw transmitters =96 CIGM applied to migrate to the FM band and to switch = off the AM transmitter at 790. The FM successor to CIGM was born as a CHR n= amed =93Hot 93.5.=94=20=20 From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Oct 02 10:31:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68831 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 17:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 17:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 17:31:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2009 17:30:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2009 17:30:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:30:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Hw2gVOtylBeA-uKzculTynJufArLDqLjwVmCshd8PdJU X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i have uploaded pictures to the photo section under kc8gpd From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Oct 02 13:21:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45577 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 20:21:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 20:21:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 20:21:17 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 19so2077899fgg.17 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:21:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.86.181.6 with SMTP id d6mr2751891fgf.29.1254514875518; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e11sm15880fga.13.2009.10.02.13.21.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5B42436F8A6445008AF9B18BFF346EFB@experien3f2fc9> To: References: <4AC5DEB3.8050001@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:20:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=TGBUfIZItUaVkQsCH8f1aTkLJUCAfrhWbNaOEpIGMns4peJvvJml Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how would you hide a antanna? didn't know this could be done ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 4:06 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 hank smith wrote: > any sites for pirate rigs? > http://www.freeradio.org/ http://www.ldbrewer.com/pirate/main.html > parshally kidding but naturally curious If you really don't know what you are doing, it is a GOOD idea to get a "Turn-Key" system that you KNOW is going to work when you put it together, otherwise you CAN find what you need on Ebay, but had better really know what you are doing when you put it together and tune the system. Also HIDE the Antenna. If the Feds can see the antenna, it makes you a sitting duck when they come out looking for your station. Just kidding, I would NEVER do such a thing myself. :-) -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 02 14:07:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58754 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 21:07:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 21:07:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f201.google.com) (209.85.211.201) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 21:07:13 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yw0-f201.google.com with SMTP id 40so988894ywh.11 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:07:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.26.3 with SMTP id 3mr5230133ybz.69.1254517633113; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.12? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm758571gxk.3.2009.10.02.14.07.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC66B7D.9040208@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:07:09 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4AC5DEB3.8050001@gmail.com> <5B42436F8A6445008AF9B18BFF346EFB@experien3f2fc9> In-Reply-To: <5B42436F8A6445008AF9B18BFF346EFB@experien3f2fc9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=5kDbrBgf8hqBGLxTHuargARnLd75AgjcB1pc65e-zNwlUGZEX_XCyQNamEaBPA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > how would you hide a antanna? Mount it in your attic would be an easy way. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Oct 02 14:09:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 279 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 21:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 21:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f219.google.com) (209.85.218.219) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 21:09:57 -0000 X-Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so1574767bwz.11 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:08:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.86.192.34 with SMTP id p34mr2779893fgf.28.1254517690470; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e11sm81792fga.3.2009.10.02.14.08.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <20091002.073845.6645.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:07:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.218.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_{AMSF}_Ontario's_last_AM_goes_dark?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=ut6efGpAU6w4Az8WnwKeM1TtNi1n2ebdr8q00x1FP53bnQu-fY1T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hat happened to all of the talkers are they on fm? ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark They turned out the lights at Sudbury, Ontario's last AM. Its successor? CHR "Hot" FM. Like so many other Canadian AMs - even ones with 75-year-deep roots and 50-kw transmitters - CIGM applied to migrate to the FM band and to switch off the AM transmitter at 790. The FM successor to CIGM was born as a CHR named "Hot 93.5." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Fri Oct 02 14:56:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80497 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 21:56:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 21:56:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 21:56:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2009 21:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2009 21:56:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:56:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AC66B7D.9040208@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=6ia3u1q4RmB6yM7BgcyQpjokIEBovrUDAXZkWE9rU1r6ubo3bEv8YlR6 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kj4hyd wrote: > > hank smith wrote: > > how would you hide a antanna? Be creative! Also, keep in mind that the simple antennas that some FM pira= tes use, such as groundplane verticals, look a lot like 2-way radio antenna= s. From a distance, it would be difficult to tell an antenna that is cut f= or the FM broadcast band versus one of the same style that is cut for the 2= meter amateur band. If you are transmitting when the FCC guys come by, though, you are going to= be in trouble, whether the antenna is easily visible or not. --Alfredo From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Oct 02 15:00:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32739 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 22:00:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 22:00:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f228.google.com) (209.85.220.228) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 22:00:24 -0000 X-Received: by fxm28 with SMTP id 28so1428939fxm.18 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:00:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.86.158.29 with SMTP id g29mr2862689fge.4.1254520823581; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-210-206.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm296005fge.22.2009.10.02.15.00.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <292B4A089E0046C78E077927F01F3A09@experien3f2fc9> To: References: <4AC5DEB3.8050001@gmail.com> <5B42436F8A6445008AF9B18BFF346EFB@experien3f2fc9> <4AC66B7D.9040208@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:59:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=_1-0RvYW0QfhqLawYfmvnjFUU6Iz1uMdyuGFOjdMjniBNhymrRg5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what if you don't have a tic? ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:07 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 hank smith wrote: > how would you hide a antanna? Mount it in your attic would be an easy way. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Oct 02 15:44:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25558 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 22:44:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 22:44:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 22:44:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2009 22:44:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2009 22:43:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 22:43:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=sdZgCSd_-mKFB3mnjvwIwbFCOOwcplj1KiKxvrNt5nbV X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > >=20 > i have uploaded pictures to the photo section under kc8gpd > Have to move this to pay some bills $250.00 plus shipping and insurance. pay by usps money order or paypal (add paypal fee if using this method) From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 02 16:05:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70336 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 23:05:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 23:05:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 23:05:06 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n92N50Q8010027 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:05:01 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d04.6214b066 (32915) for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:04:59 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=TXf_mdb-ahwgsrmlQndF_FvbDjS6c8goURfIXCz1XpEmimw5o8s2ML43Dn1Rk6Q9 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/2009 7:26:54 PM Central Daylight Time, kc8gpd@hotmail.com writes: > it has a 80 mW composite output that modulates L+R and L-R. this is a > synthesized transmitter i believe. > Technically, I believe the Part 15 requirement is 100 mW DC input to the final stage. However, I sincerely believe no field engineer is going to write you up for using this fine a piece of equipment over the technicality. You would have beyond a doubt the finest Part 15 AM stereo signal on the air. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 02 16:12:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16321 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 23:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 23:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 23:12:01 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n92NC03s000342 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:12:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.ccc.5c94ebe9 (32915) for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:11:56 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lBscHcXDeaPA-4XnEZQx9XkGZikupJgWxzVg7PFfi4DgK0YWGLmggjgPqfxrMW4V X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/2009 8:14:45 PM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > how would I do this with sstran? > Sell it. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 02 16:17:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10588 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 23:17:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 23:17:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 23:17:05 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n92NBP9P020214 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:11:25 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d08.636dc5e5 (32915) for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:11:20 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=A71t1gYRUuC0M1SCG4_zXwbRCfP3oCYcDG2vOEr79kra4aITkv9rPTY082gPGPLh X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/2009 8:11:12 PM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > why hasn't the fcc shut them down if there elegal? > The FCC has the same budgetary constraints as the rest of the Federal Government. In my experience, the FCC basically responds to complaints, particularly when interference with a licensed service is involved. If I were running a bootleg music station, I would worry more about BMI suing me out of existence than the FCC kicking down my door. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 02 16:20:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45777 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 23:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 23:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.95) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 23:20:05 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n92NJtHF031642 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:19:56 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d61.58c6f51c (32915) for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:19:49 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=OtsStuq-Mh0vc50GG2odbSpCR0rgvQU8KJQa-cdzBWqQ9Olk87gu4PCYq63-xSxP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/2009 9:43:58 PM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > Why not record airchecks of them and get them Busted? > I believe the nearest FCC Field Office, at least the ones they publish, is in Memphis. The FCC wouldn't dispatch an investigator down here if we had a 50 kW pirate station with Bin Laden doing the morning drive. It's not unusual to have hour or more lapses of dead air or playing two satelite feeds at once. Not doing legal ID is the least of their lapses. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 02 16:25:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19526 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2009 23:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2009 23:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2009 23:24:57 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n92NOoYT001228 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:24:51 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d4a.5965bc85 (32915) for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:24:48 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-5U226u1rW6_58au3A63b6blsOl0G0Z-1_z3nACqUqY40LF_dVak83Vi7aoVL93r X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/2/2009 3:21:42 PM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > how would you hide a antanna? > An AM antenna that will get you anywhere is virtually impossible to hide. On the hand, a 12dB gain, which would make provide 1,600 watts of ERP from just a 100 watt transmitter, antenna looks just like a rooftop TV antenna. In fact, it is a rooftop TV antenna. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Oct 02 18:13:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38995 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 01:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 01:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 01:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail20.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.160]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFNPKJCAHGY95S for (sender ); Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:12:34 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDyUpS7c3a2HKLMmKyFRoGzg= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail20.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PTWNCD86; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:12:30 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.209.219] by webmail20.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 01:12:18 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 01:12:18 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091002.181218.10484.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 833 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:2779062520 X-MAIL-INFO:4f848159c98d65fd1da424f465a1a5a4d4fd1df4a1b4c4893449f094d47d11b5c4b545857d3404147461bd553414d92560b9d5bdd5f0710df5 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.160|webmail20.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=GPFIZMAeZUzADXrqs0LRHXqWLZJYQe4vP4YYrtDm6g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Yes. Just as many FMs here are talk. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "hank smith" To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:07:45 -0700 hat happened to all of the talkers are they on fm? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark They turned out the lights at Sudbury, Ontario's last AM. Its successor= ? CHR "Hot" FM. Like so many other Canadian AMs - even ones with 75-year-deep roots and 5= 0-kw transmitters - CIGM applied to migrate to the FM band and to switch of= f the AM transmitter at 790. The FM successor to CIGM was born as a CHR nam= ed "Hot 93.5."=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 02 19:13:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91311 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 02:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 02:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 02:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.128] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091002211301101078000010.0) with SMTP id <20091002211301101078000010> for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:13:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00eb01ca43cf$d877c6a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <4AC5DEB3.8050001@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:13:01 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=e2fEaFhfpLGtVqTM0Cdki10YOTX7CVdTXtgotMR3Auotk2Hgs0pS X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even better than those- www.frn.net for the Free Radio Network. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:07 AM hank smith wrote: > any sites for pirate rigs? > http://www.freeradio.org/ http://www.ldbrewer.com/pirate/main.html --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 02 19:16:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58152 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 02:16:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 02:16:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.4) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 02:16:20 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.128] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091002211538101336800010.0) with SMTP id <20091002211538101336800010> for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:15:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010801ca43d0$35c5e260$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20091002.073845.6645.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:15:38 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_{AMSF}_Ontario's_last_AM_goes_dark?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=SlICUdzbYm6Hlp7PzKDiLjcen-pE724fTOsjqW9P7rWtIm4FSNtO X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And the worst part about it is us Americans still have to protect these no longer existing stations! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:42 AM Subject: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark They turned out the lights at Sudbury, Ontario's last AM. Its successor? CHR "Hot" FM. Like so many other Canadian AMs - even ones with 75-year-deep roots and 50-kw transmitters - CIGM applied to migrate to the FM band and to switch off the AM transmitter at 790. The FM successor to CIGM was born as a CHR named "Hot 93.5." --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 02 19:22:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12069 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 02:22:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 02:22:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 02:22:26 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.128] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091002212205102092900010.0) with SMTP id <20091002212205102092900010> for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <015d01ca43d1$1c69c4c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <4AC2BB86.2060906@gmail.com> <4AC2D3ED.9090307@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=IcKzB7RA6zt_TTXgjyhuBaENRZRPmppZZLEYqkdqPeRgosKlbEN4 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get the Nautel or you'll be replacing those big electrolytics every few years. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com We have a price of $150,000 for a new Transmitter from Nautel for that Station. After talking with Tom Ray of 710 WOR New York, I am going to price a Harris 3DX-50 this Week. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 02 19:26:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2125 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 02:26:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 02:26:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 02:26:29 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.128] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091002212601102533700010.0) with SMTP id <20091002212601102533700010> for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:26:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018101ca43d1$a9054080$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:26:01 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=BGJ_gYZuBd1cBknADUpgkWk-tUg68ykPw7AYp6QgdnI5BcUCFJBx X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That tended to be a bigger problem with older transmitters. Generally that could be cured by higher value (uF-wise) coupling caps in the audio chain. Sometimes more drastic measures had to be taken, but I don't remember what they were off hand. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 6:34 PM Most AM exciters have a delay facility, but a problem arises when the delay is not consistent across the audio spectrum. As designed, audio phase shift had no effect in normal AM. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 02 19:42:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75663 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 02:42:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 02:42:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 02:42:20 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.128] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091002212326102231800010.0) with SMTP id <20091002212326102231800010> for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:23:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <016b01ca43d1$4c808f40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:23:26 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=gnqexLeARkpRG2efPjGNDYDVa-eLim8nyqAXRvooFtyLNO_6R9xv X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judging by the picture it looks to be well kept on the outside. Likely to be that way on the inside. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: AlfredoT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com On the original topic of this discussion, does anybody know anything about the technical parameters of the station that is for sale and/or about the equipment that is included? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Oct 02 19:43:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30702 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 02:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 02:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 02:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 02:43:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 02:43:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 02:43:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 02:43:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <018101ca43d1$a9054080$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=YuN0XXcCZeVO81hesSKRVUQnPx9teMKQmvWHkOb1oCTJ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd apparently JR Cunningham designed his Tube transmitters to be compatible wi= th CQUAM and even explained in his manual how to interface an exciter to hi= s CM30-50 transmitter. I have a CM30-50 and someday will get around to interfacing one of my excit= ers to it and loading it up on carrier current. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Oct 02 19:54:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56332 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 02:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 02:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 02:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 02:54:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 02:54:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 02:54:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.55.254 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=2I2p3kolvo_ADaReCW2fS74wAUJlnyG25nqlgRYb8fQOZNMfMg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I guess the older TX (plate modulated) could have some kind of uncontrollab= le incidental phase modulation (not important in pure mono AM). If it is the case, then part of the C-Quam information would be lost or det= eriorated inside the TX, which is not the idea. I think we could control the audio phase problems, but what about the IPM? Even more, I'm not too sure about all the 100% solid state TXs has a good p= erformance about the IPM point. Whatever, the possible US$400 up to Chile, includes all the taxes and the i= nsurance? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > apparently JR Cunningham designed his Tube transmitters to be compatible = with CQUAM and even explained in his manual how to interface an exciter to = his CM30-50 transmitter. >=20 > I have a CM30-50 and someday will get around to interfacing one of my exc= iters to it and loading it up on carrier current. > From w6yn@juno.com Fri Oct 02 20:01:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72484 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 03:01:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 03:01:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 03:01:48 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail03.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.143]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFNPRUWAYK5TFJ for (sender ); Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:00:36 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD0KyIQXKAKZqzbIDbRuHdrY= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail03.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PTWUHSVX; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 20:00:19 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.209.219] by webmail03.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 03:00:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 03:00:07 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091002.200007.27670.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 718 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:1305109171 X-MAIL-INFO:3debce7bce47fed77f0a231b67478fda6a8a4f1793f3a3bf5bae5bc717578e9e7ae7e3ebb30f5aa36e4737777e5e2a2aab972a1ada2a6f4b8f8f X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=0st53TYLsqf1H8sYzzkdweo1boV50lBikdDzEWgUWA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn http://memphis.craigslist.org/bfs/1395499189.html I would rather pay more and own the dirt. Hate landlords - I was one. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:23:26 -0500 (CDT) Judging by the picture it looks to be well kept on the outside. Likely to = be that way on the inside. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AlfredoT=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 On the original topic of this discussion, does anybody know anything abou= t the technical parameters of the station that is for sale and/or about the= equipment that is included? =20=20 From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Oct 02 20:36:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13790 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 03:36:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 03:36:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 03:36:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 03:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 03:35:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:35:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=7gDIt0rbpBOcEKOuAaMi1SuCOZUEjabl6Hy7lF9SRW_2 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i don't know how the taxes work for your country, each country is different= . usually if there is any the recipient pays the taxes not the shipper, but= it definitely includes insurance in that quote. $400.00 shipped to chile includes shipping, insurance, packaging. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > I guess the older TX (plate modulated) could have some kind of uncontroll= able incidental phase modulation (not important in pure mono AM). > If it is the case, then part of the C-Quam information would be lost or d= eteriorated inside the TX, which is not the idea. > I think we could control the audio phase problems, but what about the IPM= ? > Even more, I'm not too sure about all the 100% solid state TXs has a good= performance about the IPM point. > Whatever, the possible US$400 up to Chile, includes all the taxes and the= insurance? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > > > apparently JR Cunningham designed his Tube transmitters to be compatibl= e with CQUAM and even explained in his manual how to interface an exciter t= o his CM30-50 transmitter. > >=20 > > I have a CM30-50 and someday will get around to interfacing one of my e= xciters to it and loading it up on carrier current. > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 02 21:39:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6789 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 04:39:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 04:39:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 04:39:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 04:39:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 04:39:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 04:39:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <010801ca43d0$35c5e260$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=m_z3P1htfET248-CA6HFlAMluMezGCpDKE5SvPizQfqGcFlH7cI7bGU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio wrote: > And the worst part about it is us Americans still have to protect these n= o longer existing stations! > Scott Todd They turned out the lights at Sudbury, Ontario's last AM. CIGM applied to= migrate to the FM band and to switch off the AM transmitter at 790.=20 I wonder if CKLW 800 could go omni at night now? J From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 02 21:42:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81299 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 04:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 04:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 04:42:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 04:42:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 04:42:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 04:42:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 - we have a winner X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=ArTOMN6RHsIp6JiuWQ_ZF6gTyszvkmYLZWf1EE1J6m0jp7QmhRhvYf4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Mike, you win; this is the funniest post of the year! : "The FCC wouldn't dispatch an investigator down here if we had a=20 50 kW pirate station with Bin Laden doing the morning drive." :) From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Oct 03 01:02:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80124 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 08:02:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 08:02:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f184.google.com) (209.85.211.184) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 08:02:22 -0000 X-Received: by ywh14 with SMTP id 14so1504407ywh.26 for ; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:02:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.165.7 with SMTP id n7mr5988508ybe.72.1254556512352; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-208-218.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.208.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm764349ywh.11.2009.10.03.00.55.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9076475225624BA48DCD325CC8FC2D19@experien3f2fc9> To: References: <20091002.181218.10484.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 00:54:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=XDb66VBLwbLAvbXqqaocc4WHEhixaAv96DfDtUWpD-Z_3A4j1qzw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what ones have coast to coast am? ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:12 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark Yes. Just as many FMs here are talk. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "hank smith" To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:07:45 -0700 hat happened to all of the talkers are they on fm? ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark They turned out the lights at Sudbury, Ontario's last AM. Its successor? CHR "Hot" FM. Like so many other Canadian AMs - even ones with 75-year-deep roots and 50-kw transmitters - CIGM applied to migrate to the FM band and to switch off the AM transmitter at 790. The FM successor to CIGM was born as a CHR named "Hot 93.5." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Sat Oct 03 05:29:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78651 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 12:29:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 12:29:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 12:29:43 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 12:29:43 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.201.65] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 12:29:43 -0000 X-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2009 12:29:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 504037.39614.bm@omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Received: (qmail 10468 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 12:29:43 -0000 X-Received: from 75-120-201-91.dyn.centurytel.net (big_h00pla@75.120.201.91 with plain) by smtp124.plus.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Oct 2009 05:29:43 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: _n1IojiswBBt4N.a_3EQiB71hx5LNrI- X-YMail-OSG: En.5AnYVM1nsFIbXzI.vqypVrYLH_lP6_Cd6zKeeUkRHlnHj0mEw7CKHAvhZsIQUaSrXdSzXFIsmnMm0tfFIKRO9gR0I4eObTqNPwGQ9eLtbYeZuAVhFQYBx6wruLH2S9mFEopZBxVtqEfC7.khkzzR1.NawQR3X4LU.wpMknGwxsEIbHAE3I4A.yB89qskgcsnEdI_lIWdUOMr.tFKG9Yj3fkvTi1AxFB5G0nqHh7E4NRuSS111jC.5cgJlZpnM_4g_MG6QOePIH0dWl_fcK8x46qC1yWwX4GWZLbIGqwpU8EEknRyaKFZ3DeWwu_IOy8eywBNx.1jWD4U4U5pWO9xnIPPcjHrsAQOp5NCSmBZXhF8k7Zl2mohZKNogm_l3uW91DKtfRgztlHekygkAEw7xUTqhsNz7_5sj X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <1254540970.1587.13795.m5@yahoogroups.com> References: <1254540970.1587.13795.m5@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4EA5C132-B1C6-4652-BDFD-2726E0D76039@yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 07:29:42 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kevin redding Subject: Re: {AMSF} Digest Number 3135 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=vqAZUxYZE-6n9KVHCKONGF9lnav_SSVSeaC16-eRP56O8K5ycA X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla On Oct 2, 2009, at 10:36 PM, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com wrote: > hank smith wrote: >> how would you hide a antanna? Make it look like a flagpole. Kevin From w6yn@juno.com Sat Oct 03 07:10:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29091 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 14:10:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 14:10:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 14:10:00 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFNQY3NA3K8TT2 for (sender ); Sat, 3 Oct 2009 07:09:48 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD27dIPknuAdXyEe3j09k9jQ= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PTX2SGBN; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 07:09:09 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.209.219] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:08:30 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:08:30 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091003.070830.8860.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 479 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:2588706133 X-MAIL-INFO:03f50544054d81290964953de990f4719dc1cd302530140180c139d939bdf5b5b97004f505499db9a1f54dd5b9900de9 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=GG8a0LFgg7Fo_E5dN0Rg_VG66ViEPXrGE_CZcF_ZrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn http://www.coasttocoastam.com/affiliates/ ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "hank smith" To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 00:54:54 -0700 what ones have coast to coast am? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:12 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark =20=20 From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Oct 03 12:25:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8408 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 19:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 19:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 19:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n93JOjhm011607 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:24:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.ccf.5cd3bd3a (30737) for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:24:39 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=U_DyKkc_vap3WWoyoHaUYHKlRbxRQCG5k-MoT4adLGmtLhMhVEUZN5EoPdunS3s0 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It that the transmitter shed or the whole thing? The restrooms at the interstate rest stops in MS are bigger than that. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Oct 03 12:27:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1906 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 19:27:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 19:27:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 19:27:16 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n93JLeUh019629 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:21:40 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bfb.668f036f (30737) for ; Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:21:35 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=avP-qcdJHPQoWY9d7v_Y8soVnSPMZHHbrhCbPB6ofCf-2Lb5sk50qNxTIrkYPbP- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, It is not phase modulation. A high level plate modulator is simply a high power audio amplifier with the same amplitude rolloff and phase shift associated with other audio amplifiers. Many older transmitters did not even use audio feedback around the modulator, so the AUDIO phase shift really didn't matter. The problem is the audio phase shift is not consistent. It generally increases at the frequency extremes which for some AM transmitters means 100 and 5000 hertz. May guess is the effect would be loss of seperation and distortion for a CQUAM signal. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Oct 03 12:51:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12750 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2009 19:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2009 19:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2009 19:51:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27911 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2009 19:50:40 -0000 Message-ID: <107743.18427.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: y_VCZooVM1nmh95s33k5EFihdtdGbzpehgHuEFOWKDt0rFB8Cr79X_e2mDQOUvLpRtP3qmV9Hj333TA8tMhBJvL8bUytShkMX7Aef59e0oEbq826QGtoVe9QopFIJ2aNWUN93cyb3BWRjJwB9pZlFejsl_kVOuSAosokgDRWlXmugopGjIewMwYFXvHloZDjioocizbkIVzl8z76yiA_cbtPKqeY8daXoABOsQLjjw.tUePX4ivSJaD7B3e7nGfBVMGcE4ugclhAi8dOr.0wP0EdXQyLSgl0ckedfjg8gSYIft.m5vq2_1UWtTloGyGwgNQHlna32PXZv9_dvQ3hodUdqquUqrZtoBu8djELb5C36Kp6RRTinyKj0QWzuiwC4nFiPnZr090FRtfxf5DSY_Yvc39WViM9ILfqBt1ktMxsPc6YkIoi4anhorMktY7QN3eoQ1Ema_7AkkLPeA-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:50:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 12:50:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9076475225624BA48DCD325CC8FC2D19@experien3f2fc9> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ihiPnqV_M-JXyl5r0B31R_vXvPMln6et7xICGAgWVcbyMw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AM 800, CKLW,(Windsor/Detroit) has C2C every night, AND an archived Art Bel= l show Saturday and Sunday at 9:00 pm. =A0Hope the "Big 8" isn't going dark= soon!G --- On Sat, 10/3/09, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 3:54 AM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 what ones have coast to coast am? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:12 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark Yes. Just as many FMs here are talk. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "hank smith" To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:07:45 -0700 hat happened to all of the talkers are they on fm? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark They turned out the lights at Sudbury, Ontario's last AM. Its successor? CH= R "Hot" FM. Like so many other Canadian AMs - even ones with 75-year-deep roots and 50-= kw transmitters - CIGM applied to migrate to the FM band and to switch off = the AM transmitter at 790. The FM successor to CIGM was born as a CHR named= "Hot 93.5."=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Oct 03 17:43:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6775 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 00:43:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 00:43:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 00:43:28 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.114] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091003194256103187400010.0) with SMTP id <20091003194256103187400010> for ; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:42:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001c01ca448c$702280a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:42:56 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=w49wZZVN4RHEm1_uWpSGBFNag5QowvgmEDIa7WvEaZVhQGUbt9CE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd be interested in those instructions myself, even though I don't have one of those transmitters. I do have the schematic to build one, however. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter apparently JR Cunningham designed his Tube transmitters to be compatible with CQUAM and even explained in his manual how to interface an exciter to his CM30-50 transmitter. I have a CM30-50 and someday will get around to interfacing one of my exciters to it and loading it up on carrier current. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Oct 03 18:02:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15212 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 01:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 01:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 01:02:31 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.114] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091003200208102074300010.0) with SMTP id <20091003200208102074300010> for ; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:02:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005401ca448f$1e9e8dc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:02:08 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=AXo82rHNGsNi4dVhpMB6YEKwEWLvC4jFxvD2c6R-LwEh3TfnmoXB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And as he said earlier, it will likely need recapping. That thing uses a L= OT of electrolytics. Hope you're good at servicing double-sided circuit bo= ards. There must be over 50 of just one value alone- 10uF @ 50V. When you= do rebuild it, be sure to get yourself some 105 deg. C rated caps as they'= ll last longer. Even those have differing grades so get the ones with a lo= nger lifespan if possible.=20 Something else I tend to do when rebuilding is to go with film type caps in= stead of electrolytics on the smallest values, typically 1uF or less, thoug= h if I have the money and there's space on the board I'll even go up to 4.7= uF. It will be that many fewer caps to replace if I'm still around to rebu= ild it again in 20 years. I typically use the little red WIMA MKS series c= aps from Mouser E;ectronics. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kc8gpd=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 10:36 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter =20=20=20=20 i don't know how the taxes work for your country, each country is differe= nt. usually if there is any the recipient pays the taxes not the shipper, b= ut it definitely includes insurance in that quote. $400.00 shipped to chile includes shipping, insurance, packaging. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote= : > > I guess the older TX (plate modulated) could have some kind of uncontro= llable incidental phase modulation (not important in pure mono AM). > If it is the case, then part of the C-Quam information would be lost or= deteriorated inside the TX, which is not the idea. > I think we could control the audio phase problems, but what about the I= PM? > Even more, I'm not too sure about all the 100% solid state TXs has a go= od performance about the IPM point. > Whatever, the possible US$400 up to Chile, includes all the taxes and t= he insurance? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > > > apparently JR Cunningham designed his Tube transmitters to be compati= ble with CQUAM and even explained in his manual how to interface an exciter= to his CM30-50 transmitter. > >=20 > > I have a CM30-50 and someday will get around to interfacing one of my= exciters to it and loading it up on carrier current. > > > =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Oct 03 18:04:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9134 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 01:04:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 01:04:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.4) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 01:04:12 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.114] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091003200330102208200010.0) with SMTP id <20091003200330102208200010> for ; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:03:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005f01ca448f$4f8f8ba0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:03:30 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=lXzG7moUgZdjy-1hMW5LQEgi-ICg9ldWV8CsFaygt-WaXxYMNitO X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope- they're still sharing the channel with Mexico. I doubt they were protecting anyone else in Canada, though if they were it would be possible for them to petition to let out their night pattern. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 11:39 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Ontario's last AM goes dark wrote: > And the worst part about it is us Americans still have to protect these no longer existing stations! > Scott Todd They turned out the lights at Sudbury, Ontario's last AM. CIGM applied to migrate to the FM band and to switch off the AM transmitter at 790. I wonder if CKLW 800 could go omni at night now? J --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Oct 03 18:07:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2644 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 01:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 01:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.4) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 01:07:06 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.114] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091003200600102530800010.0) with SMTP id <20091003200600102530800010> for ; Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:06:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006a01ca448f$a9227420$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:06:00 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GAG4UoPE88uP87y15f3Ij-J-PM1pfw8ZTZc1aCtJ6n-5TjWr2zzf X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My guess is it's just the transmitter shed. It's definitely too small to house a whole radio station. I'd also have to agree with Don- I'd also rather pay more to also own the land it's on. I wonder how soon the lease will need to be renewed? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 2:25 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 It that the transmitter shed or the whole thing? The restrooms at the interstate rest stops in MS are bigger than that. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sat Oct 03 19:15:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61948 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 02:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 02:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 02:15:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2009 02:15:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2009 02:15:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:15:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01ca448c$702280a0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=39HhQEU0jnMGayINAqriw9ISgtZi8KuH4GDKA_paihR9 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd http://home.comcast.net/~filebay1/Cunningham_Transmitters_Model_CM_30_50.pd= f From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Oct 04 00:08:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57215 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 07:08:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 07:08:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 07:08:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2009 07:07:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2009 07:07:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 07:07:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.70 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=PnzpSXsuaFqwsH1IqSafAO4eFfrXF2oyMUATSb_fByDvHwjTJw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Excuse my ignorance, but "my" old McMartin BA-2.5K has an audio feedback ne= twork from the modulator transformer to the solid state audio preamplifier.= Is it what you're talking about? (see the main diagram in the files menu). With a real technician friend (remember I'm not a college technician) we di= d a lot of proof with the McMartin. I remember about the time delay between= the input audio and the modulated audio and it was almost nothing, from 5= 0 to 10,000 Hz. I mean, not visible in the oscilloscope we used. Does it ha= ve some relationship with the phase delay? By the way, last three days I've found one of the McMartin overload leds on= . Specifically, the PA Screen Grid led. Does somebody know what does it mea= n and how to work around it? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > It is not phase modulation. A high level plate modulator is simply a hig= h=20 > power audio amplifier with the same amplitude rolloff and phase shift=20 > associated with other audio amplifiers. Many older transmitters did not = even use=20 > audio feedback around the modulator, so the AUDIO phase shift really didn= 't=20 > matter. >=20 > The problem is the audio phase shift is not consistent. It generally=20 > increases at the frequency extremes which for some AM transmitters means = 100 and=20 > 5000 hertz. May guess is the effect would be loss of seperation and=20 > distortion for a CQUAM signal. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Oct 04 00:27:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22072 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 07:27:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 07:27:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 07:27:50 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n947ReFK002575 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2009 03:27:40 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.cd5.5ad5a883 (32914) for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2009 03:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 03:27:37 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pOdZ7n090BnWExQM4yRA6CEibfzZzg_kRyzk-3YEw-sm28sDY1MEWnAfK65t92Kp X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Towers are expensive. Why would anyone build one on month to month leased land? I live about a half days drive from Eastern MS. I might go check it out. Doesn't the FCC have some say as to who can buy a radio station? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Oct 04 00:40:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59736 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 07:40:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 07:40:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 07:40:03 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n947e0Ts011521 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2009 03:40:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d1c.4e320597 (32914) for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2009 03:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 03:39:57 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vq2pOotJxui2aSWJuK0fiDLbU9np4RD2EmvnEH-Fq4O_Dy0rR0aI7omx_UwVG4Zk X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your McMartin is not an "old" transmitter. Delay in the time domain is the same as phase shift in the frequency domain. In order to use overall negative feedback, the phase shift must be kept small to keep the system stable. For this reason, such transmitters are reasonably well suited for AM Stereo exciters. Much older all tube transmitters, which they could use negative feedback, typically didn't. Therefore, phase shift didn't matter. How you can tell how much phase shift there is in an AM transmitter is doing a trapezoid pattern. You sweep the RF output with the audio input on an o'scope. Ideally, you get a trapezoid with perfectly straight sides that converge to a pinpoint. One of the most meaningful and revealing qualitative tests to do an a transmitter's modulation system. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Oct 04 09:42:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45924 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 16:42:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 16:42:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 16:42:16 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n94Gg5Pi032427 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:42:06 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c17.66f00a73 (39332) for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:42:04 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:5:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=iHRCyEQxnuVPrqxV4OlP9tJ673KJuVnPWAsj2DKZXi8kJK0bzpaKMOXJ7Vf6f_C7 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Cunningham transmitter has quite exceptional performance given its simplicity especially compared to something like an LPB 50 watt unit. 50 watts may be pushing a 6DQ6 a bit hard though. LPB used four 6550's (2-RF, 2-MOD) for the same task. One often finds commercial transmitters had a similar seeming overdesign when it comes to output tubes. That is, the combined plate dissipation of the finals considerably exceeded the normal power required under ordinary operating conditions. The reason was to allow the transmitter to perform to specification over the useful life of the tubes, which deteriorate, and to withstand adverse operating conditions such as during tuning. My MOSFET phase to amplitude design has 92% efficiency when properly tuned. That means the output transistors dissipate only about 75 watts for 900 watts output. However, when the output network is out of tune, most of the 1,000 watt input must be dissipated in the same transistors. Because I was working on the concept, I didn't do all the niceities like designing in protection. I simply tuned the output section under low drive. That worked alright. However, to get some measurements at 1,700 khz instead of 1,000 khz, I just punched in the new frequency in the signal generator under full power without thinking to retune the final. Even though the output transistors had a theoretical 500 watts of dissipation capability, they were destroyed in a few seconds. Lesson learned. In looking at the oscillographs, unless I am not seeing something, it appears the Cunningham can't achieve 100% downward modulation, even under overmodulation conditions. See attached. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Oct 04 11:31:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45777 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 18:31:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 18:31:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 18:31:36 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n94IPttI005473 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2009 14:25:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bc9.57fd06cd (39332) for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2009 14:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 14:25:53 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zlD5gD_WhpoK2fHlzZI-4OWBr1HVfxiOOjoVPfNeGhtwWFL5zsDtLT9zJlGJiNo8 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, If you believe you could go AM Stereo with this unit, I would throw $25 in the pot to help you get it. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Oct 04 14:34:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76760 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 21:34:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 21:34:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.144) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 21:34:21 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so373974qwc.62 for ; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:34:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.116.133 with SMTP id m5mr2690023qaq.214.1254691631763; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.207.108? (dialup-4.152.207.108.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.207.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm923590qwf.12.2009.10.04.14.27.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC91327.6060105@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:27:03 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4AC2BB86.2060906@gmail.com> <4AC2D3ED.9090307@gmail.com> <015d01ca43d1$1c69c4c0$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <015d01ca43d1$1c69c4c0$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=f-vi2efYVIKWzxu-5TsXrsPIRSuuyuZmf1OeXLZBOjR5t4vy473a8hRztHr7vg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Get the Nautel or you'll be replacing those big electrolytics every few years. I thought Harris fixed that problem? The Gates 5 I have on WQIZ has been 100% Trouble-Free. Once I did have a SX1-A that had the sloshy Capacitor problem. I used After-Market Caps to replace them and that fixed that problem for good. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Oct 04 15:01:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73767 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 22:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 22:01:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f172.google.com) (209.85.221.172) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 22:01:17 -0000 X-Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so2293683qyk.21 for ; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:01:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.103.19 with SMTP id i19mr2716059qao.143.1254693676744; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.207.108? (dialup-4.152.207.108.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.207.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm3100077qwa.10.2009.10.04.15.01.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC91B25.3010503@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:01:09 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=I5VkMqFOZlMy_U0XE2W3vKxrmQ1Xw8Lrr9pEH3TfQLYgSyqEVIEpR_LH6AzK4w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The FCC wouldn't dispatch an investigator down here if we had a 50 kW > pirate station with Bin Laden doing the morning drive. Gee, we had a 1/2 Watt FM Pirate playing Country Music busted. it seems it was heard on a local Black Hawk Missile Base, and when they investigated, it was found about 1/4 Mile away. > It's not unusual to have hour or more lapses of dead air or playing two satelite feeds at once. Not doing legal ID is the least of their lapses. With all of the FREEWARE Automation out there, and CHEAP Computers, there is no need in that happening. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Oct 04 15:07:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41128 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 22:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 22:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.144) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 22:07:18 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so809919qwa.38 for ; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.33.129 with SMTP id h1mr2692351qad.213.1254694034185; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-208-218.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.208.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm3005qwb.36.2009.10.04.15.07.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <07789CA01C34480A8E44EE8AE054A4AB@experien3f2fc9> To: References: <4AC91B25.3010503@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:06:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=RGtibYxezM9A3wWVKKbcQS-j87Cx8L6uyMk8rkGz-jT9rMum30Co Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can you give me some free ware automation websites? the more the better ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > The FCC wouldn't dispatch an investigator down here if we had a 50 kW > pirate station with Bin Laden doing the morning drive. Gee, we had a 1/2 Watt FM Pirate playing Country Music busted. it seems it was heard on a local Black Hawk Missile Base, and when they investigated, it was found about 1/4 Mile away. > It's not unusual to have hour or more lapses of dead air or playing two satelite feeds at once. Not doing legal ID is the least of their lapses. With all of the FREEWARE Automation out there, and CHEAP Computers, there is no need in that happening. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Oct 04 15:19:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67949 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 22:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 22:19:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f187.google.com) (209.85.221.187) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 22:19:53 -0000 X-Received: by qyk17 with SMTP id 17so2226397qyk.2 for ; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:19:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.87.169 with SMTP id w41mr2702534qal.177.1254694793166; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.207.108? (dialup-4.152.207.108.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.207.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm733160qwi.25.2009.10.04.15.19.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC91F77.5090507@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:19:35 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4AC91B25.3010503@gmail.com> <07789CA01C34480A8E44EE8AE054A4AB@experien3f2fc9> In-Reply-To: <07789CA01C34480A8E44EE8AE054A4AB@experien3f2fc9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=KOX6wKkJjRZc0aDp3pPM1D6CXgHE1F9ZXzgM9YrlhaCler5RLJx4agvDJhPX0w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > can you give me some free ware automation websites? The best one I have found is DIY-DJ It runs in SUSE Linux and can be had by emailing krws@digitaldevelopment.net He will wants to know how his software will be used and will email you a copy. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Oct 04 17:18:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70274 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 00:18:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 00:18:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 00:18:19 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n950HonJ018871 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:17:51 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.be0.6658b925 (41810) for ; Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:17:48 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=wgLPrCh0pb_qwAnZ2Bi9iaUwNN-YhIlnkIcbUAz5NB93dU9f9dcumoCXrJfxNPB9 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Electrolytics vary greatly in terms of cost, service life, and reliability. A 2,000 hour 85 deg. cap simply won't last as long as a 10,000 hour 125 deg cap. You get what you pay for. What I can say, having worked with high reliability aerospace and military electronics, is electrolytic caps are far from uncommon in such demanding applications. What one has to watch out for nowadays is counterfeit rebranded parts principally from China. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Oct 04 17:32:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8249 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 00:32:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 00:32:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.79) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 00:32:35 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81232 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2009 00:32:35 -0000 Message-ID: <423324.81078.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DxJfyc4VM1lha.ydegvo6DzZ4TDcNMd8JqL4.uBgau9mwtXXi1Byzs_ZVl6K7DLfpTawVphnt5s2S1EXyRLHTT86nli7WzmlGM1hhuTWDb6.6twrbezSn5KGy9Wyw2MnGDGTHBL9w3D2o_H6nA9uIhp._SINhM1B09RQ_PQ6khY_hpT29eY6PUOfnwNE2zUTMhztTlJsMgPlJm33xL3Pa2IEtg6rw2xae6tEVD4AaoLB3.9gXipv2NSpPeMbqU3OQGVj3LSVwIbo._AkNAhGcHX0w3CAn5GLnIWlto4kBz532utOluE1T8aV2ir9_A5Rzg_.s7vsAViLL6ylT6vAHyr2Csygp3zUDFJ9LhY- X-Received: from [209.213.19.46] by web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:32:35 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/157.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 References: <4AC2BB86.2060906@gmail.com> <4AC2D3ED.9090307@gmail.com> <015d01ca43d1$1c69c4c0$d503fea9@stodd> <4AC91327.6060105@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:32:35 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4AC91327.6060105@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: sloshy capacitors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=O3_xFDAk3fUUioqtZv120DHTy7ok-OT4oL5fcE7o1vM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW The Gates series has the problem as does the DX series. It may take awhile for it to show up. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- From: kj4hyd scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > Get the Nautel or you'll be replacing those big electrolytics every few years. I thought Harris fixed that problem? The Gates 5 I have on WQIZ has been 100% Trouble-Free. From w6yn@juno.com Sun Oct 04 17:35:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51501 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 00:35:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 00:35:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 00:35:33 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail21.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.161]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFNURZGAWMJKW2 for (sender ); Sun, 4 Oct 2009 17:33:42 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD7ZijabKVqxkgpaN/AkqkfA= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail21.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PT3QVKRJ; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:33:02 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.245.48] by webmail21.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:33:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:33:01 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091004.173301.26247.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 13817 X-ContentStamp: 117:58:2398082435 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.161|webmail21.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: IBOC interference X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=mNC8NlohVj7faO1mwZVyV_feNa4ItezkJevqsUD2Jw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Interesting article from the Newsletter of Crawford Broadcasting Company Co= rporate Engineering: The Local Oscillator October 2009 A Tale of Two Stations Last month, there were news items in both Radio World Newsbytes (online) and Radio World (Sept. 9 issue) about an ongoing IBOC interference issue between our KBRT(AM) in Los Angeles and Midwest Television=92s KFMB(AM) in San Diego. The reporting evidently came directly from a back-andforth set of pleadings with the FCC, and to the extent of what was contained in those pleadings, the reporting was factual. However, as is so often the case, such pleadings are full of posturing and hand waving designed to paint the best overall picture for each side. In this case in particular, the KFMB pleadings were especially colorful, containing certain exaggerations that would imply that KFMB=92s coverage is completely obliterated in some areas of Orange County. That, of course, is simply not true. Since late 2008, the power in KBRT=92s upper primary digital carriers has been on the order of 2.5 watts, hardly enough power to cause serious impairment to a 5 kW station with its transmitter site just over 60 miles away. To give a little background, KBRT signed on the air on740 kHz in 1953 from its present site on Santa Catalina Island. From there, with a water path to the mainland, the station put a 5 mV or better signal over all of Southern California, including San Diego. In 1961, the clear channels were realigned and 540 kHz was given to the Mexicans as a Mexican clear. KFMB was at that time operating on 540 kHz. With the realignment, they had to move to some other frequency. A couple of other choices were considered =96 550 and 830 kHz =96 and KFMB opted for 760 kHz, second-adjacent to KBRT. As soon as KFMB made the move, interference began. For 28 years, KBRT (then KBIG) endured =93monkey chatter=94 from KFMB even in its strongest signal areas (I remember hearing that interference at the KBRT studios in Costa Mesa as late as 1988). Likewise, KFMB received a lot of interference from KBRT, even in San Diego. It was not until the NRSC audio standard went into effect in 1990 that bandwidth limiting quieted most (but by no means all) of the =93monkey chatter=94 interference. Issues of desense and increased noise floor remained, however, as you would expect with such closely spaced second-adjacent channel stations. KBRT fired up its HD Radio operation in March of 2006. For half a year, all was well. Then in October of that year, a full six months later, we began receiving interference complaints from KFMB. The allegation was that the KBRT upper primary digital carriers were interfering with KFMB in Vista, Oceanside and San Clemente, California. In March of 2007, we sent consulting engineer Joel Saxburg out to these locations with KFMB=92s engineer to evaluate the interference. His conclusion was that =93Noise and/or digital artifacts do not seem to bother normal AM broadcast programming if they are > 20 dB below the desired program material level.=94 In two of the measurement locations, the D/U ratio was very close to 20 dB, so we knew that it would be possible to eliminate the noise there with a small power adjustment. It was shortly thereafter (May) that wildfire swept across Catalina Island, and all our efforts were focused for many months on survival. We did not deal further with the interference question until the following August, when we voluntarily reduced the KBRT upper primary digital power level by 2 dB. We heard nothing further from the KFMB camp until July 31, 2008, almost a year later. We thereafter commissioned a set of additional measurements and listening tests, and these were made by Joel Saxburg on September 27, 2008 at the same three locations. The results were very similar to what we had seen before, but weather and ground conditions were not consistent between 2 the two measurement sets, so the results of the 2 dB decrease were not completely evident. At the end of 2008, we voluntarily reduced the KBRT upper primary digital carrier levels by an additional 4 dB (a total of 6 dB) for the purpose of evaluating the effect at the three KFMB measurement/listening locations. Before we had a chance to evaluate, the FCC ordered the 6 dB power reduction of the upper primary digital carriers in January 2009. Since we were already operating at -6 dB, nothing further needed to be done. Except during brief tests periods with additional power reductions, we've been at =96 6 dB (-36 dBc) ever since. We appealed the January 2009 FCC order for four stated reasons: (1) It asserted a signal protection standard which is contrary to the FCC rules; (2) it ordered KBRT to reduce its IBOC operating power beyond protection standards set forth in the FCC=92s IBOC Order; (3) it did not adequately verify the validity of the listener complaints submitted by KFMB; and (4) it failed to reconcile or justify why KFMB=92s contours must be protected to any greater degree than the protection ratios establishes in 1961 when the FCC waived its contour protection rules to allow KFMB to operate on 760 kHz (and creating a great deal of otherwise impermissible overlap between the stations). To date, we are still awaiting a ruling on our petition for reconsideration. In August 2009, KFMB brought a new interference complaint based on three new measurement locations =96 one in Riverside County and the other two in Orange County =96 and petitioned the FCC to order KBRT to turn off its IBOC carriers. Amidst hand waving and overheated rhetoric (do they teach this in law school?), KFMB argued primarily that the interference is so severe that in some protected areas (such as Irvine, CA which is situated between KFMB=92s 2 mV/m and 0.5 mV/m contours), the signal of KFMB(AM) =93cannot be heard at all.=94 I personally went to each new measurement location with Joel Saxburg last month to assess KFMB=92s observations. At each location, we took a spectrum shot, measured the carrier field strength of each station and made an audio recording of KFMB. At the first location near Sun City, we didn=92t observe any objectionable interference. I had Bill Agresta turn the KBRT digital carriers off and back on while we were at that location. Any change was lost in the background noise. KBRT=92s carrier field strength was 3.3 mV/m and KFMB=92s was 0.72 mV/m, a 13 dB ratio. At the second location in Irvine, a =93hiss=94 was audible from the KBRT digital carriers, but it was far below the program level and in no way impeded the listenability of KFMB at that location. The KBRT carrier field strength at this location was 19 mV/m and KFMB=92s was 0.55 mV/m, a 31 dB differential. At the third location in Costa Mesa, the situation was very similar =96 a =93hiss=94 in the background with the KFMB program audio very listenable. The KBRT carrier field strength was 32 mV/m at this location; KFMB=92s was 1.9 mV/m (24.5 dB). Joel and I also made some further measurements at these locations with different KBRT digital carrier power levels. That gave us a good idea of what effect further power reductions would have, both on the slight background =93hiss=94 under KFMB at the locations where KBRT is very strong and KFMB is relatively weak, and with respect to KBRT=92s digital performance within the desired coverage area. We drove all around Orange County, including Irvine and Costa Mesa, with the KBRT upper digital carriers at -6 dB with respect to the lowers and listened to KFMB. We found that the station was entirely listenable except where you would expect problems, beneath power lines or near large-aperture metallic structures. These observations fly in the face of KFMB=92s complaint that the signal of KFMB(AM) remains =93completely unreceivable=94 at Irvine and Costa Mesa. So where do we go from here? A few thoughts=85 First, the situation is nowhere nearly as bad as KFMB paints it. KFMB is an out-of-market San Diego station complaining of interference in the greater Los Angeles area where it likely has few listeners anyway, an area well outside its secondadjacent protected 5 mV/m contour and even outside the AM =93metro grade=94 2 mV/m contour (note that all the new measurement locations in the second KFMB complaint are outside both the 5 mV/m protected contour and the 2 mV/m metro grade contour). Nevertheless, if I lived in the area and wanted to listen to KFMB, that wouldn=92t be a problem. Most folks wouldn=92t even notice. Second, KBRT is operating completely within the FCC rules and particularly within the emission limitations of =A773.44. The fact that some of the authorized spectrum is occupied with digital carriers is really beside the point. We are entitled to all of the spectrum =93real estate=94 authorized by =A773.44. If we wanted to, we could fill the RF mask up with broadband noise right up to the limits of =A773.44 (-25 dBc for 10.2 to 20 kHz) and undoubtedly affect KFMB not only in Orange County but south 3 into San Diego County as well. Of course we do not intend to do that, but we could because the law allows it. Someone needs to pay attention to that fact. KBRT is now operating with its upper primary digital carriers at -36 dBc. The nominal level of the digital primary carriers for KBRT is -30 dBc, even though the iBiquity spec is -28 dBc. The lower level was chosen to minimize third-order IM products at +/-25 kHz. The point here is that KBRT=92s upper digital primary carriers are at an even lower level than one might think if the nominal -28 dBc were assumed. Again, at -36 dBc, the power level of these digital carriers is about 2.5 watts. The last thing we want to do is cause our spectrum neighbor any trouble. That=92s been evident in the way we have cooperated with KFMB, making two voluntary power reductions before the FCC made the order official. And we continue to cooperate with KFMB. Somewhere between where we are now and turning our IBOC carriers off altogether is a compromise we are exploring. We simply need to find out where that is. For its part, the FCC created this mess and whether it will admit it or not at this late date, is responsible in large measure for what=92s going on. KFMB should never have been allowed to occupy 760 kHz when other channels were plainly available. In 1961, the second-adjacent channel prohibited overlap was 2/25 mV. KBRT=92s 2 mV/m contour overlaps the KFMB site! There was in that day no location within the KFMB 25 mV/m contour outside of the KBRT 2 mV/m contour. Likewise the KBRT site is within the KFMB 2 mV/m contour. The 2/25 KFMB/KBRT overlap was 100%. When the protection ratios were changed in the early 1990s to 5/5 mV, the situation didn=92t get much better. The KFMB site is within the KBRT 5 mV/m contour. While the 5/5 mV overlap is not 100%, the percentage is very high. With this degree of FCCordered second-adjacent overlap =96 IBOC or not =96 what the heck do you expect? With the trade press attention focused on this case, the whole broadcast community is now watching, no doubt looking for the FCC to set a precedent by ruling that will thereafter be applicable across the board. But the reality is that this is a =93purple cow=94 (to borrow the apt words of our attorney), a unique forced degree of second-adjacent overlap and seawater propagation path (all of which the FCC knew in 1961) not likely to be duplicated anywhere else. Whatever happens here is not likely to bear on any other case (are there even any similar?). The bar to an AM spacing waiver is so high that such a waiver is almost never granted. While our desire is for KBRT to continue to transmit in the hybrid digital mode and we are willing to assert our spectrum rights to protect that operation, we are mindful of Jesus=92 admonition to =93do unto others=85=94 With that in mind, we will continue to work toward a mutually acceptable solution. HD Radio Perspectives As I edit this month=92s Local Oscillator, I am reminded of the old story about the blind men and the elephant. You remember it=85 each, touching a different part of the elephant =96 trunk, tusks, legs, tail, had a completely different perspective. In his column below, Brian Cunningham honestly assesses the HD Radio situation in his two markets, citing the fact that retailers do not promote or stock HD Radio receivers at all. As a result, there is no virtually no consumer demand, and broadcasters are beginning to curtail some of their costly multicast activities. Contrast that to markets such as Detroit, Denver, Chicago and Los Angeles. Just last month, Amanda went to BestBuy and purchased two in-stock HD Radio products, the Zune-HD and the Insignia portable. While sales clerks aren=92t trained all that well on HD Radio products (they=92re not all that well trained on any of the products in the store in my opinion), the products are available and store personnel have some awareness of them. So is HD Radio circling the drain as Brian seems to believe, or is it a =93breakout=94 technology on the verge of broad consumer acceptance? I think it=92s a little of both =96 different perspectives of the elephant so to speak. With shirt-pocket HD portables now available for the cost of dinner for three at the average restaurant, a major marketing hurdle has been cleared. The economy has certainly dealt the HD-R rollout a significant setback, but things are looking reasonably good if things recover. But in some markets =96 and I think Buffalo-Rochester is unique because of its social and economic ties to Canada =96 it=92s a different story altogether. This is no different that the digital television perspective between large/medium and small markets. Ask the guy in Podunk, Texas who gets his news and entertainment from a local translator if he gives a hoot about HDTV. It=92s all about perspective. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Oct 04 18:05:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16348 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 01:05:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 01:05:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.150) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 01:05:14 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so118676qwc.54 for ; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:05:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.43.160 with SMTP id w32mr2733314qae.277.1254704713831; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.207.108? (dialup-4.152.207.108.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.207.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm855342qwg.13.2009.10.04.18.05.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC94641.6040208@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:05:05 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4AC2BB86.2060906@gmail.com> <4AC2D3ED.9090307@gmail.com> <015d01ca43d1$1c69c4c0$d503fea9@stodd> <4AC91327.6060105@gmail.com> <423324.81078.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <423324.81078.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} sloshy capacitors X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=VcvI-5bAJHwLHvWv5XH-OGrsGVWpJ5CqLoaAcj7fuKEkTlKPbKGawsHeDzIT2Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III wrote: > The Gates series has the problem as does the DX series. It may take awhile for it to show up. When they do get sloshy, I have a "Slush Fund" set aside at each station to buy parts. One of my goals is to set up a back-up transmitter so the stations don't go off of the air when there is a transmitter failure. The "Engineer" that was there had them to sell the original Tube transmitters instead of using them as a back-up. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Oct 04 18:16:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91541 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 01:16:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 01:16:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f192.google.com) (209.85.221.192) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 01:16:27 -0000 X-Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30so2895662qyk.7 for ; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:16:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.50.81 with SMTP id y17mr2785649qaf.109.1254704994855; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.207.108? (dialup-4.152.207.108.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.207.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm77790qwe.48.2009.10.04.18.09.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC94757.2010609@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:09:43 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=CcO4SgV0b1SeL39gsxDJxzLFK1nHvFzu2rwA7OZ0Dl0A5mWkxuZ1gBAhos4Pbw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > You get what you pay for. And Harris used the CHEAPEST thing they could find to build transmitters. There is a REASON they are called "The Quincy Tin Works"! > What one has to watch out for nowadays is counterfeit rebranded parts principally from China. That is why you should ONLY buy parts from TRUSTED "Big name" Electronics Parts Houses, and NOT Ebay! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Oct 04 21:50:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76379 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 04:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 04:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 04:49:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 19010 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2009 04:49:57 -0000 Message-ID: <851016.18976.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: XEdliHMVM1khMVbUvQjPUvqfHqdNajaoqdHdT1a9c7atagba4HcZP9jqN1yYJ_aRX.tsR3zlCO2eC0iCS_zIlYgOZrg5MfLpTLjZ5_ZCYCH2_ebyBBQN.Gl4xYNTvIV3HcJtmRSutCFq4tyNkdVAv6v4f4BVF3tv5EZBfY5w9iwD0c8wmJwQg5Mv0HELCH3E6A6BcfwmPPIk.v.C98XY1rle.rRhfVBHp1KnmV00fD9mRXmNLDun61G_TbCAgZ.9EdLUJq9XSpKdwXDwoudVDsP11HZVgJQvDnRtrsPPCT_CvcH_Ij4zPuzgsaa5g.67iZzkyZahL0QjnyvaazMkoyhBwK_QXzWB7vqDGE8cjLgg.NVkezH4zDoj1DfVlDMvxTKvcD4- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:49:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:49:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Questions on Cunningham Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=kcDB4Vuf3B9kslVUOsXqcTz_b3MtUNfEzHTFfegOt7G9arKWiLS7I8I X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio When did these 'Cunningham Transmitters' hit the market? Are they still sold, tubes and all? Performance at low power? Cost? From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Oct 05 04:42:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15885 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 11:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 11:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 11:42:29 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n95BgFgQ023646 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:42:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c0f.5a7cd597 (65098) for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:42:25 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qD4vPXS8i-jLLBuOBLzWRjH7pBis9RkY4CLg-pd0m3cG1jXHyhvPvjSHuO1Q_b_Q X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/4/2009 8:16:55 PM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > That is why you should ONLY buy parts from TRUSTED "Big name" > Electronics Parts Houses, and NOT Ebay! > A colleague of mine got FIRED for authorizing a secondary source for an expensive large value metal film capacitor used as part of a switching power supply. The secondary supplier was a U.S. manufacturer of good repute. When the new capacitors began catastrophically failing in the field, some of the failed parts were returned back to the manufacturer for analysis. The analysis was the parts were counterfeit. Not only were the parts not from that manufacturer, but they weren't even film capacitors. The company I worked for long since got rid of incoming inspection which would have caught the problem. It had recently got rid of the engineering lab that could have qualified the samples. Management elected to have the manufacturer do their own qualification. I assume companies like Mouser, Newark, and Digikey get their products directly from the manufacturer and not through jobbers in the Far East. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Oct 05 04:44:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23972 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 11:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 11:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 11:44:35 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n95BiPnB012437 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:44:25 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d40.4ff3201d (65098) for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:44:33 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=TajI9QnopHYf5dqAu-r0k2gxAF6nZVWNWjVMWfUKOg-zA42zmK8wazMQlmaFp5wC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/4/2009 8:16:55 PM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > And Harris used the CHEAPEST thing they could find to build > transmitters. There is a REASON they are called "The Quincy Tin Works"! > Is Harris the same company as Broadcast Engineering? I know the old Gates Company became Harris Intertype. At one time, Gates was considered to be the finest equipment money could buy with the perhaps the exception of RCA. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Oct 05 05:03:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82270 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 12:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 12:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 12:03:22 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n95BoevW005789 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:50:40 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c1c.6523b6ef (65098) for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:50:45 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions on Cunningham Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=KBKzWgGP1-plCGlXvDgxOp0Gw-cFuitwxdz8AN5a3FwphAWC0z5MUSZh6N7o6kUT X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The paperwork seems to be in 1990s. The FCC began letting daytimers operated during restricted hours at very low power beginning back then. It was not unusual to have 1, 5, 10, even 50 kW stations operating at 30 to 50 watts at night. A stupid idea, but nobody asked me at the time. Most commercial transmitters were not equipt for that kind of power reduction. So there was a niche for low power broadcast grade transmitters. I have come across the Cunningham transmitter before. I don't if he still makes them. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Oct 05 05:36:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54141 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 12:36:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 12:36:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 12:36:53 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so970617qwe.35 for ; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:36:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.22.5 with SMTP id l5mr3060384qab.380.1254745735135; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.52? (dialup-4.152.204.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm159321qwd.7.2009.10.05.05.28.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC9E67A.3080001@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:28:42 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ZyypiUIdzjrR-DJn2IS6WYMx1Y9Z0zyznXIRiBOdmDec0iXiwLcYZ6TUYLBuOg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Is Harris the same company as Broadcast Engineering? No, Harris is the old Gates. BE is their competitor on the other side of town. > At one time, Gates was considered to be the finest equipment money > could buy with the perhaps the exception of RCA. That changed when Harris bought out Gates in the 1950s. They started cheapening the products with the BC-1J Transmitter, and got their worst with the Gates Vanguard 1 in the early '70s. That and the Gates VP-50 have to be the WORST transmitters put on the market. They now have turned around, somewhat, but still have their issues. I would rather have a Nautel for AM or FM. Some of the 1950s and 1960s Gates AM rigs make KILLER rigs for the HAM bands. I am gonna get one for that purpose later today. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Oct 05 05:38:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56345 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 12:38:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 12:38:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f197.google.com) (209.85.221.197) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 12:38:33 -0000 X-Received: by qyk35 with SMTP id 35so2558852qyk.19 for ; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:38:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.114.194 with SMTP id f2mr3152401qaq.68.1254746291359; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.52? (dialup-4.152.204.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm1576281qyk.9.2009.10.05.05.38.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AC9E892.4000903@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:37:38 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=aBUgfTJYKv4uI1q-i0eRIW2OZzcnY1FNvIqccoagHVc4c82ZU_IPbRq3KRxW8w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > When the new capacitors began catastrophically failing in the field, > some of the failed parts were returned back to the manufacturer for > analysis. The analysis was the parts were counterfeit. Not only were > the parts not from that manufacturer, but they weren't even film > capacitors. Oops! > Management elected to have the manufacturer do their own qualification. > That is OK, as long as the people are honest. > I assume companies like Mouser, Newark, and Digikey get their products directly from the manufacturer and not through jobbers in the Far East. I would HOPE so. I doubt they would want to risk their reputations like that. I have also had good luck getting parts from RF Parts. http://www.rfparts.com/ -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Oct 05 16:44:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56496 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 23:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 23:44:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 23:44:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27032 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2009 23:44:24 -0000 Message-ID: <904024.26577.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Nz0B4mAVM1kd.O_wO6KsDLYLfc4GqkCvDUeCD4Wrt4daJaLyJ2jBJTNorUa9lvhbPgO23j1eitRjrR38AgouO_vw6AmWT11SQvijLhBaGCRH56ES82ezkFv4enyaPBZGgFtWIgI6DcDuuDfMPTqv1Stimy3yug8eHm4DD5aloIahrbmdH8gcV4Lo_92Nlj8PzA6Oum8vYL3acXKofwA8zZlGSCYypWRFY_89cYASw3Ciiq1HeeOZSjTj69l7PQS73UYzkrjljnBpPE4rqx1vkB_hcn5Hatgtt8USW1lcQigKRY.iMvo6rsCR7YwVFyxQkAUgBIIt5ufio8O24RUitFgeY782Xf6xhAhud1E_cHpMhcDEZgi7SO5feC09OrQDKuIvcK5WQlpzyDx7p72C82oqhDcSdx9phb0JWA3f_DFPi.EvDotGWhjl8mLXRIZZoHGJog-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:44:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:44:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20091004.173301.26247.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TwLuU4-7HsDwiUKZOloidAQM3l8eKM6Zg8u-va4NRkw-bQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wish Crawford would come to Detroit and see how their IBOC is screwing up= CKWW!WMUZ-AM (or whatever they call it now) is on 560, CK is on 580. =C2= =A0The hiss is VERY annoying when listening to a station that is playing mu= sic, and putting forth very respectable audio. =C2=A0Crawford won't even ac= knowledge the complaints, so I tried appealing to the Canadian government, = foolishly thinking maybe pressure regarding INTERNATIONAL interference migh= t help. =C2=A0No such luck, of course. The engineers can say whatever they like, if the digital power is enough to= cause noise, then it is TOO MUCH, even if it is in MICRO watts. IBOC is a loser, when are these imbeciles backing it going to LEARN? =C2=A0= Even WJR finally got the hint, and turned it off completely. If so many peo= ple are listening to IBOC, why would the biggest radio station in the Detro= it market shut it down?!? As for shirt-pocket sized HD radios, so what? =C2=A0I bought a Grundig anal= og-tuned AM/SW/FM radio for $30, fits in the shirt pocket, and sounds GOOD = (better than low-bitrate digital crap) on MW and SW signals...WHEN IBOC isn= 't screwing things up. =C2=A0Betcha most Radio Shack stores are still selli= ng way more of those little toy Grundigs than HD sets. I can only see one motive for still pushing this abomination of the medium = waves...profit for Ibiquity and their shareholders. =C2=A0To them I say, go= get your damn money some other way, like maybe WORKING for it! =C2=A0STOP = RUINING AM RADIO!!! =C2=A0IT IS CRIMINAL!!! It is time to wake up, get over the foolish notion that "digital is always = better", and clean MW up and KEEP it clean! As it stands now, I'll bet IBOC has LOST AM radio listeners from all the no= ise (they've damn sure lost me), so if the intent is to bring back the audi= ence, forget it. =C2=A0Best way to do that is stick to the full NRSC ANALOG= bandwidth, and turn those poor rusting C-QUAM exciters back on! P.O.'d? You bet your red-hot ATUs I am! =C2=A0This is a very passionate thi= ng with me, so forgive me if I preach...I'm just totally fed up with IBOC, = and all the other problems plaguing AM. More and more, I find myself listening to FM in the car and at home, at lea= st it is relatively good sounding, and stereo, and now usually in Pro-Logic= II Surround...a technology that BTW would also work JUST FINE on AM Stereo= ! (It is an analog matrix system, so no "bit-sharing", "joint stereo coding= ", or extra bandwidth is required.) Now, I better sign off before my blood pressure becomes enough to reactivat= e WLW's cooling pond!!! BTW, a lot of people around here are having a lot of trouble getting OTA te= levision now...so digital is always better, eh? =C2=A0Bring back the NRSC, = AND the NTSC!!! George =C2=A0=C2=A0 --- On Sun, 10/4/09, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} IBOC interference To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:33 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20=20=20 Interesting article from the Newsletter of Crawford Broad= casting Company Corporate Engineering: The Local Oscillator October 2009 A Tale of Two Stations Last month, there were news items in both Radio World Newsbytes (online) and Radio World (Sept. 9 issue) about an ongoing IBOC interference issue between our KBRT(AM) in Los Angeles and Midwest Television=E2=80=99s KFMB(AM) in San Diego. The reporting evidently came directly from a back-andforth set of pleadings with the FCC, and to the extent of what was contained in those pleadings, the reporting was factual. However, as is so often the case, such pleadings are full of posturing and hand waving designed to paint the best overall picture for each side. In this case in particular, the KFMB pleadings were especially colorful, containing certain exaggerations that would imply that KFMB=E2=80=99s coverage is completely obliterated in some areas of Orange County. That, of course, is simply not true. Since late 2008, the power in KBRT=E2=80=99s upper primary digital carriers has been on the order of 2.5 watts, hardly enough power to cause serious impairment to a 5 kW station with its transmitter site just over 60 miles away. To give a little background, KBRT signed on the air on740 kHz in 1953 from its present site on Santa Catalina Island. From there, with a water path to the mainland, the station put a 5 mV or better signal over all of Southern California, including San Diego. In 1961, the clear channels were realigned and 540 kHz was given to the Mexicans as a Mexican clear. KFMB was at that time operating on 540 kHz. With the realignment, they had to move to some other frequency. A couple of other choices were considered =E2=80=93 550 and 830 kHz =E2=80=93 and KFMB opted for 760 kHz, second-adjacent to KBRT. As soon as KFMB made the move, interference began. For 28 years, KBRT (then KBIG) endured =E2=80=9Cmonkey chatter=E2=80=9D from KFMB even in its strongest signal areas (I remember hearing that interference at the KBRT studios in Costa Mesa as late as 1988). Likewise, KFMB received a lot of interference from KBRT, even in San Diego. It was not until the NRSC audio standard went into effect in 1990 that bandwidth limiting quieted most (but by no means all) of the =E2=80=9Cmonkey chatter=E2=80=9D interference. Issues of desense and increased noise floor remained, however, as you would expect with such closely spaced second-adjacent channel stations. KBRT fired up its HD Radio operation in March of 2006. For half a year, all was well. Then in October of that year, a full six months later, we began receiving interference complaints from KFMB. The allegation was that the KBRT upper primary digital carriers were interfering with KFMB in Vista, Oceanside and San Clemente, California. In March of 2007, we sent consulting engineer Joel Saxburg out to these locations with KFMB=E2=80=99s engineer to evaluate the interference. His conclusion was that =E2=80=9CNoise and/or digital artifacts do not seem to bother normal AM broadcast programming if they are > 20 dB below the desired program material level.=E2=80=9D In two of the measurement locations, the D/U ratio was very close to 20 dB, so we knew that it would be possible to eliminate the noise there with a small power adjustment. It was shortly thereafter (May) that wildfire swept across Catalina Island, and all our efforts were focused for many months on survival. We did not deal further with the interference question until the following August, when we voluntarily reduced the KBRT upper primary digital power level by 2 dB. We heard nothing further from the KFMB camp until July 31, 2008, almost a year later. We thereafter commissioned a set of additional measurements and listening tests, and these were made by Joel Saxburg on September 27, 2008 at the same three locations. The results were very similar to what we had seen before, but weather and ground conditions were not consistent between 2 the two measurement sets, so the results of the 2 dB decrease were not completely evident. At the end of 2008, we voluntarily reduced the KBRT upper primary digital carrier levels by an additional 4 dB (a total of 6 dB) for the purpose of evaluating the effect at the three KFMB measurement/ listening locations. Before we had a chance to evaluate, the FCC ordered the 6 dB power reduction of the upper primary digital carriers in January 2009. Since we were already operating at -6 dB, nothing further needed to be done. Except during brief tests periods with additional power reductions, we've been at =E2=80=93 6 dB (-36 dBc) ever since. We appealed the January 2009 FCC order for four stated reasons: (1) It asserted a signal protection standard which is contrary to the FCC rules; (2) it ordered KBRT to reduce its IBOC operating power beyond protection standards set forth in the FCC=E2=80=99s IBOC Order; (3) it did not adequately verify the validity of the listener complaints submitted by KFMB; and (4) it failed to reconcile or justify why KFMB=E2=80=99s contours must be protected to any greater degree than the protection ratios establishes in 1961 when the FCC waived its contour protection rules to allow KFMB to operate on 760 kHz (and creating a great deal of otherwise impermissible overlap between the stations). To date, we are still awaiting a ruling on our petition for reconsideration. In August 2009, KFMB brought a new interference complaint based on three new measurement locations =E2=80=93 one in Riverside County and the other two in Orange County =E2=80=93 and petitioned the FCC to order KBRT to turn off its IBOC carriers. Amidst hand waving and overheated rhetoric (do they teach this in law school?), KFMB argued primarily that the interference is so severe that in some protected areas (such as Irvine, CA which is situated between KFMB=E2=80=99s 2 mV/m and 0.5 mV/m contours), the signal of KFMB(AM) =E2=80=9Ccannot be heard at all.=E2=80=9D I personally went to each new measurement location with Joel Saxburg last month to assess KFMB=E2=80=99s observations. At each location, we took a spectrum shot, measured the carrier field strength of each station and made an audio recording of KFMB. At the first location near Sun City, we didn=E2=80=99t observe any objectionable interference. I had Bill Agresta turn the KBRT digital carriers off and back on while we were at that location. Any change was lost in the background noise. KBRT=E2=80=99s carrier field strength was 3.3 mV/m and KFMB=E2=80=99s was 0.72 mV/m, a 13 dB ratio. At the second location in Irvine, a =E2=80=9Chiss=E2=80=9D was audible from the KBRT digital carriers, but it was far below the program level and in no way impeded the listenability of KFMB at that location. The KBRT carrier field strength at this location was 19 mV/m and KFMB=E2=80=99s was 0.55 mV/m, a 31 dB differential. At the third location in Costa Mesa, the situation was very similar =E2=80=93 a =E2=80=9Chiss=E2=80=9D in the background with the KFMB program audio very listenable. The KBRT carrier field strength was 32 mV/m at this location; KFMB=E2=80=99s was 1.9 mV/m (24.5 dB). Joel and I also made some further measurements at these locations with different KBRT digital carrier power levels. That gave us a good idea of what effect further power reductions would have, both on the slight background =E2=80=9Chiss=E2=80=9D under KFMB at the locations where KBRT is very strong and KFMB is relatively weak, and with respect to KBRT=E2=80=99s digital performance within the desired coverage area. We drove all around Orange County, including Irvine and Costa Mesa, with the KBRT upper digital carriers at -6 dB with respect to the lowers and listened to KFMB. We found that the station was entirely listenable except where you would expect problems, beneath power lines or near large-aperture metallic structures. These observations fly in the face of KFMB=E2=80=99s complaint that the signal of KFMB(AM) remains =E2=80=9Ccompletely unreceivable=E2=80=9D at Irvine and Costa Mesa. So where do we go from here? A few thoughts=E2=80=A6 First, the situation is nowhere nearly as bad as KFMB paints it. KFMB is an out-of-market San Diego station complaining of interference in the greater Los Angeles area where it likely has few listeners anyway, an area well outside its secondadjacent protected 5 mV/m contour and even outside the AM =E2=80=9Cmetro grade=E2=80=9D 2 mV/m contour (note that all the new measurement locations in the second KFMB complaint are outside both the 5 mV/m protected contour and the 2 mV/m metro grade contour). Nevertheless, if I lived in the area and wanted to listen to KFMB, that wouldn=E2=80=99t be a problem. Most folks wouldn=E2=80=99t even notice. Second, KBRT is operating completely within the FCC rules and particularly within the emission limitations of =C2=A773.44. The fact that some of the authorized spectrum is occupied with digital carriers is really beside the point. We are entitled to all of the spectrum =E2=80=9Creal estate=E2=80=9D authorized by =C2=A773.44. If we wanted to, we could fill the RF mask up with broadband noise right up to the limits of =C2=A773.44 (-25 dBc for 10.2 to 20 kHz) and undoubtedly affect KFMB not only in Orange County but south 3 into San Diego County as well. Of course we do not intend to do that, but we could because the law allows it. Someone needs to pay attention to that fact. KBRT is now operating with its upper primary digital carriers at -36 dBc. The nominal level of the digital primary carriers for KBRT is -30 dBc, even though the iBiquity spec is -28 dBc. The lower level was chosen to minimize third-order IM products at +/-25 kHz. The point here is that KBRT=E2=80=99s upper digital primary carriers are at an even lower level than one might think if the nominal -28 dBc were assumed. Again, at -36 dBc, the power level of these digital carriers is about 2.5 watts. The last thing we want to do is cause our spectrum neighbor any trouble. That=E2=80=99s been evident in the way we have cooperated with KFMB, making two voluntary power reductions before the FCC made the order official. And we continue to cooperate with KFMB. Somewhere between where we are now and turning our IBOC carriers off altogether is a compromise we are exploring. We simply need to find out where that is. For its part, the FCC created this mess and whether it will admit it or not at this late date, is responsible in large measure for what=E2=80=99s going on. KFMB should never have been allowed to occupy 760 kHz when other channels were plainly available. In 1961, the second-adjacent channel prohibited overlap was 2/25 mV. KBRT=E2=80=99s 2 mV/m contour overlaps the KFMB site! There was in that day no location within the KFMB 25 mV/m contour outside of the KBRT 2 mV/m contour. Likewise the KBRT site is within the KFMB 2 mV/m contour. The 2/25 KFMB/KBRT overlap was 100%. When the protection ratios were changed in the early 1990s to 5/5 mV, the situation didn=E2=80=99t get much better. The KFMB site is within the KBRT 5 mV/m contour. While the 5/5 mV overlap is not 100%, the percentage is very high. With this degree of FCCordered second-adjacent overlap =E2=80=93 IBOC or not =E2=80=93 what the heck do you expect? With the trade press attention focused on this case, the whole broadcast community is now watching, no doubt looking for the FCC to set a precedent by ruling that will thereafter be applicable across the board. But the reality is that this is a =E2=80=9Cpurple cow=E2=80=9D (to borrow the apt words of our attorney), a unique forced degree of second-adjacent overlap and seawater propagation path (all of which the FCC knew in 1961) not likely to be duplicated anywhere else. Whatever happens here is not likely to bear on any other case (are there even any similar?). The bar to an AM spacing waiver is so high that such a waiver is almost never granted. While our desire is for KBRT to continue to transmit in the hybrid digital mode and we are willing to assert our spectrum rights to protect that operation, we are mindful of Jesus=E2=80=99 admonition to =E2=80=9Cdo unto others=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D With that in mind, we will continue to work toward a mutually acceptable solution. HD Radio Perspectives As I edit this month=E2=80=99s Local Oscillator, I am reminded of the old story about the blind men and the elephant. You remember it=E2=80=A6 each, touching a different part of the elephant =E2=80=93 trunk, tusks, legs, tail, had a completely different perspective. In his column below, Brian Cunningham honestly assesses the HD Radio situation in his two markets, citing the fact that retailers do not promote or stock HD Radio receivers at all. As a result, there is no virtually no consumer demand, and broadcasters are beginning to curtail some of their costly multicast activities. Contrast that to markets such as Detroit, Denver, Chicago and Los Angeles. Just last month, Amanda went to BestBuy and purchased two in-stock HD Radio products, the Zune-HD and the Insignia portable. While sales clerks aren=E2=80=99t trained all that well on HD Radio products (they=E2=80=99re not all that well trained on any of the products in the store in my opinion), the products are available and store personnel have some awareness of them. So is HD Radio circling the drain as Brian seems to believe, or is it a =E2=80=9Cbreakout=E2=80=9D technology on the verge of broad consumer acceptance? I think it=E2=80=99s a little of both =E2=80=93 different perspectives of the elephant so to speak. With shirt-pocket HD portables now available for the cost of dinner for three at the average restaurant, a major marketing hurdle has been cleared. The economy has certainly dealt the HD-R rollout a significant setback, but things are looking reasonably good if things recover. But in some markets =E2=80=93 and I think Buffalo-Rochester is unique because of its social and economic ties to Canada =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s a different story altogether. This is no different that the digital television perspective between large/medium and small markets. Ask the guy in Podunk, Texas who gets his news and entertainment from a local translator if he gives a hoot about HDTV. It=E2=80=99s all about perspective. =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Oct 05 19:14:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66820 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2009 02:14:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2009 02:14:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.145) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2009 02:14:38 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so1149504qwc.4 for ; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:14:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.36.103 with SMTP id s39mr830530qad.74.1254795277812; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.101? (dialup-4.152.204.101.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm107013qwb.26.2009.10.05.19.14.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ACAA7F0.5030501@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:14:08 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amradiodx@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: BC-500H Manual Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=XJ34c-QpLrYe5f1QZuZc2vSrGaDOPbVJMDWrI-ROrC6BbHL4UO0URf3PH7XwUA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Anybody know where I can download a copy of the manual for a Gates BC-500H? Thanks, -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Oct 05 22:09:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40948 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2009 05:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2009 05:09:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f193.google.com) (209.85.221.193) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2009 05:09:35 -0000 X-Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31so3121223qyk.9 for ; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:09:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.121.80 with SMTP id g16mr858187qar.316.1254805774564; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-208-218.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.208.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm313324qwj.44.2009.10.05.22.09.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <151A18A05B7746F8B52644D1FADE4CBC@experien3f2fc9> To: References: <904024.26577.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:09:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=XBLgZCm94678A8aJsgjQYs7jUoyoTwdrHDj2vADVpMuwfqbCSJix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable drm is better then iboc if you would choose digital would you all pick drm? what would you rather have drm or iboc? am curious. I think drm should become standard then this iboc bowl shit ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference I wish Crawford would come to Detroit and see how their IBOC is screwin= g up CKWW!WMUZ-AM (or whatever they call it now) is on 560, CK is on 580. = The hiss is VERY annoying when listening to a station that is playing music= , and putting forth very respectable audio. Crawford won't even acknowledg= e the complaints, so I tried appealing to the Canadian government, foolishl= y thinking maybe pressure regarding INTERNATIONAL interference might help. = No such luck, of course. The engineers can say whatever they like, if the digital power is enough = to cause noise, then it is TOO MUCH, even if it is in MICRO watts. IBOC is a loser, when are these imbeciles backing it going to LEARN? Eve= n WJR finally got the hint, and turned it off completely. If so many people= are listening to IBOC, why would the biggest radio station in the Detroit = market shut it down?!? As for shirt-pocket sized HD radios, so what? I bought a Grundig analog-= tuned AM/SW/FM radio for $30, fits in the shirt pocket, and sounds GOOD (be= tter than low-bitrate digital crap) on MW and SW signals...WHEN IBOC isn't = screwing things up. Betcha most Radio Shack stores are still selling way m= ore of those little toy Grundigs than HD sets. I can only see one motive for still pushing this abomination of the mediu= m waves...profit for Ibiquity and their shareholders. To them I say, go ge= t your damn money some other way, like maybe WORKING for it! STOP RUINING = AM RADIO!!! IT IS CRIMINAL!!! It is time to wake up, get over the foolish notion that "digital is alway= s better", and clean MW up and KEEP it clean! As it stands now, I'll bet IBOC has LOST AM radio listeners from all the = noise (they've damn sure lost me), so if the intent is to bring back the au= dience, forget it. Best way to do that is stick to the full NRSC ANALOG ba= ndwidth, and turn those poor rusting C-QUAM exciters back on! P.O.'d? You bet your red-hot ATUs I am! This is a very passionate thing = with me, so forgive me if I preach...I'm just totally fed up with IBOC, and= all the other problems plaguing AM. More and more, I find myself listening to FM in the car and at home, at l= east it is relatively good sounding, and stereo, and now usually in Pro-Log= ic II Surround...a technology that BTW would also work JUST FINE on AM Ster= eo! (It is an analog matrix system, so no "bit-sharing", "joint stereo codi= ng", or extra bandwidth is required.) Now, I better sign off before my blood pressure becomes enough to reactiv= ate WLW's cooling pond!!! BTW, a lot of people around here are having a lot of trouble getting OTA = television now...so digital is always better, eh? Bring back the NRSC, AND= the NTSC!!! George=20=20=20 --- On Sun, 10/4/09, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} IBOC interference To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:33 PM =20=20=20 Interesting article from the Newsletter of Crawford Broadcasting Company = Corporate Engineering: The Local Oscillator October 2009 A Tale of Two Stations Last month, there were news items in both Radio World Newsbytes (online) and Radio World (Sept. 9 issue) about an ongoing IBOC interference issue between our KBRT(AM) in Los Angeles and Midwest Television=E2=80=99s KFMB(AM) in San Diego. The reporting evidently came directly from a back-andforth set of pleadings with the FCC, and to the extent of what was contained in those pleadings, the reporting was factual. However, as is so often the case, such pleadings are full of posturing and hand waving designed to paint the best overall picture for each side. In this case in particular, the KFMB pleadings were especially colorful, containing certain exaggerations that would imply that KFMB=E2=80=99s coverage is completely obliterated in some areas of Orange County. That, of course, is simply not true. Since late 2008, the power in KBRT=E2=80=99s upper primary digital carriers has been on the order of 2.5 watts, hardly enough power to cause serious impairment to a 5 kW station with its transmitter site just over 60 miles away. To give a little background, KBRT signed on the air on740 kHz in 1953 from its present site on Santa Catalina Island. From there, with a water path to the mainland, the station put a 5 mV or better signal over all of Southern California, including San Diego. In 1961, the clear channels were realigned and 540 kHz was given to the Mexicans as a Mexican clear. KFMB was at that time operating on 540 kHz. With the realignment, they had to move to some other frequency. A couple of other choices were considered =E2=80=93 550 and 830 kHz =E2=80=93 and KFMB opted for 760 kHz, second-adjacent to KBRT. As soon as KFMB made the move, interference began. For 28 years, KBRT (then KBIG) endured =E2=80=9Cmonkey chatter=E2=80=9D from KFMB even in its strongest signal areas (I remember hearing that interference at the KBRT studios in Costa Mesa as late as 1988). Likewise, KFMB received a lot of interference from KBRT, even in San Diego. It was not until the NRSC audio standard went into effect in 1990 that bandwidth limiting quieted most (but by no means all) of the =E2=80=9Cmonkey chatter=E2=80=9D interference. Issues of desense and increased noise floor remained, however, as you would expect with such closely spaced second-adjacent channel stations. KBRT fired up its HD Radio operation in March of 2006. For half a year, all was well. Then in October of that year, a full six months later, we began receiving interference complaints from KFMB. The allegation was that the KBRT upper primary digital carriers were interfering with KFMB in Vista, Oceanside and San Clemente, California. In March of 2007, we sent consulting engineer Joel Saxburg out to these locations with KFMB=E2=80=99s engineer to evaluate the interference. His conclusion was that =E2=80=9CNoise and/or digital artifacts do not seem to bother normal AM broadcast programming if they are > 20 dB below the desired program material level.=E2=80=9D In two of the measurement locations, the D/U ratio was very close to 20 dB, so we knew that it would be possible to eliminate the noise there with a small power adjustment. It was shortly thereafter (May) that wildfire swept across Catalina Island, and all our efforts were focused for many months on survival. We did not deal further with the interference question until the following August, when we voluntarily reduced the KBRT upper primary digital power level by 2 dB. We heard nothing further from the KFMB camp until July 31, 2008, almost a year later. We thereafter commissioned a set of additional measurements and listening tests, and these were made by Joel Saxburg on September 27, 2008 at the same three locations. The results were very similar to what we had seen before, but weather and ground conditions were not consistent between 2 the two measurement sets, so the results of the 2 dB decrease were not completely evident. At the end of 2008, we voluntarily reduced the KBRT upper primary digital carrier levels by an additional 4 dB (a total of 6 dB) for the purpose of evaluating the effect at the three KFMB measurement/ listening locations. Before we had a chance to evaluate, the FCC ordered the 6 dB power reduction of the upper primary digital carriers in January 2009. Since we were already operating at -6 dB, nothing further needed to be done. Except during brief tests periods with additional power reductions, we've been at =E2=80=93 6 dB (-36 dBc) ever since. We appealed the January 2009 FCC order for four stated reasons: (1) It asserted a signal protection standard which is contrary to the FCC rules; (2) it ordered KBRT to reduce its IBOC operating power beyond protection standards set forth in the FCC=E2=80=99s IBOC Order; (3) it did not adequately verify the validity of the listener complaints submitted by KFMB; and (4) it failed to reconcile or justify why KFMB=E2=80=99s contours must be protected to any greater degree than the protection ratios establishes in 1961 when the FCC waived its contour protection rules to allow KFMB to operate on 760 kHz (and creating a great deal of otherwise impermissible overlap between the stations). To date, we are still awaiting a ruling on our petition for reconsideration. In August 2009, KFMB brought a new interference complaint based on three new measurement locations =E2=80=93 one in Riverside County and the other two in Orange County =E2=80=93 and petitioned the FCC to order KBRT to turn off its IBOC carriers. Amidst hand waving and overheated rhetoric (do they teach this in law school?), KFMB argued primarily that the interference is so severe that in some protected areas (such as Irvine, CA which is situated between KFMB=E2=80=99s 2 mV/m and 0.5 mV/m contours), the signal of KFMB(AM) =E2=80=9Ccannot be heard at all.=E2=80=9D I personally went to each new measurement location with Joel Saxburg last month to assess KFMB=E2=80=99s observations. At each location, we took a spectrum shot, measured the carrier field strength of each station and made an audio recording of KFMB. At the first location near Sun City, we didn=E2=80=99t observe any objectionable interference. I had Bill Agresta turn the KBRT digital carriers off and back on while we were at that location. Any change was lost in the background noise. KBRT=E2=80=99s carrier field strength was 3.3 mV/m and KFMB=E2=80=99s was 0.72 mV/m, a 13 dB ratio. At the second location in Irvine, a =E2=80=9Chiss=E2=80=9D was audible from the KBRT digital carriers, but it was far below the program level and in no way impeded the listenability of KFMB at that location. The KBRT carrier field strength at this location was 19 mV/m and KFMB=E2=80=99s was 0.55 mV/m, a 31 dB differential. At the third location in Costa Mesa, the situation was very similar =E2=80=93 a =E2=80=9Chiss=E2=80=9D in the background with the KFMB program audio very listenable. The KBRT carrier field strength was 32 mV/m at this location; KFMB=E2=80=99s was 1.9 mV/m (24.5 dB). Joel and I also made some further measurements at these locations with different KBRT digital carrier power levels. That gave us a good idea of what effect further power reductions would have, both on the slight background =E2=80=9Chiss=E2=80=9D under KFMB at the locations where KBRT is very strong and KFMB is relatively weak, and with respect to KBRT=E2=80=99s digital performance within the desired coverage area. We drove all around Orange County, including Irvine and Costa Mesa, with the KBRT upper digital carriers at -6 dB with respect to the lowers and listened to KFMB. We found that the station was entirely listenable except where you would expect problems, beneath power lines or near large-aperture metallic structures. These observations fly in the face of KFMB=E2=80=99s complaint that the signal of KFMB(AM) remains =E2=80=9Ccompletely unreceivable=E2=80=9D at Irvine and Costa Mesa. So where do we go from here? A few thoughts=E2=80=A6 First, the situation is nowhere nearly as bad as KFMB paints it. KFMB is an out-of-market San Diego station complaining of interference in the greater Los Angeles area where it likely has few listeners anyway, an area well outside its secondadjacent protected 5 mV/m contour and even outside the AM =E2=80=9Cmetro grade=E2=80=9D 2 mV/m contour (note that all the new measurement locations in the second KFMB complaint are outside both the 5 mV/m protected contour and the 2 mV/m metro grade contour). Nevertheless, if I lived in the area and wanted to listen to KFMB, that wouldn=E2=80=99t be a problem. Most folks wouldn=E2=80=99t even notice. Second, KBRT is operating completely within the FCC rules and particularly within the emission limitations of =C2=A773.44. The fact that some of the authorized spectrum is occupied with digital carriers is really beside the point. We are entitled to all of the spectrum =E2=80=9Creal estate=E2=80=9D authorized by =C2=A773.44. If we wanted to, we could fill the RF mask up with broadband noise right up to the limits of =C2=A773.44 (-25 dBc for 10.2 to 20 kHz) and undoubtedly affect KFMB not only in Orange County but south 3 into San Diego County as well. Of course we do not intend to do that, but we could because the law allows it. Someone needs to pay attention to that fact. KBRT is now operating with its upper primary digital carriers at -36 dBc. The nominal level of the digital primary carriers for KBRT is -30 dBc, even though the iBiquity spec is -28 dBc. The lower level was chosen to minimize third-order IM products at +/-25 kHz. The point here is that KBRT=E2=80=99s upper digital primary carriers are at an even lower level than one might think if the nominal -28 dBc were assumed. Again, at -36 dBc, the power level of these digital carriers is about 2.5 watts. The last thing we want to do is cause our spectrum neighbor any trouble. That=E2=80=99s been evident in the way we have cooperated with KFMB, making two voluntary power reductions before the FCC made the order official. And we continue to cooperate with KFMB. Somewhere between where we are now and turning our IBOC carriers off altogether is a compromise we are exploring. We simply need to find out where that is. For its part, the FCC created this mess and whether it will admit it or not at this late date, is responsible in large measure for what=E2=80=99s going on. KFMB should never have been allowed to occupy 760 kHz when other channels were plainly available. In 1961, the second-adjacent channel prohibited overlap was 2/25 mV. KBRT=E2=80=99s 2 mV/m contour overlaps the KFMB site! There was in that day no location within the KFMB 25 mV/m contour outside of the KBRT 2 mV/m contour. Likewise the KBRT site is within the KFMB 2 mV/m contour. The 2/25 KFMB/KBRT overlap was 100%. When the protection ratios were changed in the early 1990s to 5/5 mV, the situation didn=E2=80=99t get much better. The KFMB site is within the KBRT 5 mV/m contour. While the 5/5 mV overlap is not 100%, the percentage is very high. With this degree of FCCordered second-adjacent overlap =E2=80=93 IBOC or not =E2=80=93 what the heck do you expect? With the trade press attention focused on this case, the whole broadcast community is now watching, no doubt looking for the FCC to set a precedent by ruling that will thereafter be applicable across the board. But the reality is that this is a =E2=80=9Cpurple cow=E2=80=9D (to borrow the apt words of our attorney), a unique forced degree of second-adjacent overlap and seawater propagation path (all of which the FCC knew in 1961) not likely to be duplicated anywhere else. Whatever happens here is not likely to bear on any other case (are there even any similar?). The bar to an AM spacing waiver is so high that such a waiver is almost never granted. While our desire is for KBRT to continue to transmit in the hybrid digital mode and we are willing to assert our spectrum rights to protect that operation, we are mindful of Jesus=E2=80=99 admonition to =E2=80=9Cdo unto others=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D With that in mind, we will continue to work toward a mutually acceptable solution. HD Radio Perspectives As I edit this month=E2=80=99s Local Oscillator, I am reminded of the old story about the blind men and the elephant. You remember it=E2=80=A6 each, touching a different part of the elephant =E2=80=93 trunk, tusks, legs, tail, had a completely different perspective. In his column below, Brian Cunningham honestly assesses the HD Radio situation in his two markets, citing the fact that retailers do not promote or stock HD Radio receivers at all. As a result, there is no virtually no consumer demand, and broadcasters are beginning to curtail some of their costly multicast activities. Contrast that to markets such as Detroit, Denver, Chicago and Los Angeles. Just last month, Amanda went to BestBuy and purchased two in-stock HD Radio products, the Zune-HD and the Insignia portable. While sales clerks aren=E2=80=99t trained all that well on HD Radio products (they=E2=80=99re not all that well trained on any of the products in the store in my opinion), the products are available and store personnel have some awareness of them. So is HD Radio circling the drain as Brian seems to believe, or is it a =E2=80=9Cbreakout=E2=80=9D technology on the verge of broad consumer acceptance? I think it=E2=80=99s a little of both =E2=80=93 different perspectives of the elephant so to speak. With shirt-pocket HD portables now available for the cost of dinner for three at the average restaurant, a major marketing hurdle has been cleared. The economy has certainly dealt the HD-R rollout a significant setback, but things are looking reasonably good if things recover. But in some markets =E2=80=93 and I think Buffalo-Rochester is unique because of its social and economic ties to Canada =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s a different story altogether. This is no different that the digital television perspective between large/medium and small markets. Ask the guy in Podunk, Texas who gets his news and entertainment from a local translator if he gives a hoot about HDTV. It=E2=80=99s all about perspective. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Oct 06 16:47:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96430 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2009 23:47:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2009 23:47:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2009 23:47:35 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFNZXZ8A2HMVX2 for (sender ); Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDydbswbC1NQfmYtEY9mILsM= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PT8S2YFH; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:47:09 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.245.48] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:46:53 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:46:53 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091006.164653.17535.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 5860 X-ContentStamp: 7:3:222306408 X-MAIL-INFO:522020814d8d304d20ed20f58d8d54e490d975bd600c61e1596949 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: FCC does not allow staff to be interviewed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=xNMa0IQTBg5N_LBhwKa044dmHiV_3SfQ5zpk24mvzg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The Federal Communication Commission (FCC) won't allow its Chief Diversity = Officer Mark Lloyd to be interviewed by the news media about his views and = past statements on federal communications policy. Lloyd, who cites the radical author Saul Alinsky as an inspiration, has arg= ued that public broadcasting outlets in the United States should be funded = on a level equal to the funding of private broadcasting companies--with the= money coming from licensing fees levied on private broadcasters by the gov= ernment. The FCC says it does not allow any commission staffers to be interviewed. Reporters attempted to interview Lloyd Friday at a public forum held by the= FCC. Reporters wanted to ask the FCC diversity chief about policy recommen= dations he made in his 2006 book Prologue to a Farce and in papers written = for the liberal Center for American Progress about changing media ownership= rules in the United States, the role of public broadcasting, and the influ= ence of 1960=92s radical Saul Alinksy on his views. FCC Communications Director David Fiske said that like any other federal ag= ency, the FCC does not allow its staff members to be interviewed about them= selves or their views, past or present, because it might compromise their a= bility to make recommendation to policymakers. =20 =93It=92s not that staff don=92t do interviews, [but] they aren=92t person= ages who do interviews about themselves and their input,=94 Fiske told CNSN= ews.com. =93The Commission as a whole gets input from dozens of sources. Ea= ch commissioner hires their own staff; Chairman [Julius] Genachowski has ac= tually made some comments about [Lloyd].=94 =20 Commissioners, Fiske said, were the policymakers at FCC and therefore the p= roper people to interview about what sources and ideas are influencing the = Commission=92s decisions. =20 =93They=92re the ones responsible for putting together all the pieces of po= licy and all the inputs, and all of the experiences, and all the hearings a= nd the record, and they=92re the persons who are responsible for making dec= isions and they=92re the ones who talk about them,=94 said Fiske. =20 Genachowski had explained, in a letter to Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), t= he role Lloyd would play at the FCC. Genachowski said that Lloyd=92s chief = duty was to make sure that a diversity of voices had input on FCC policy. =20 =93With respect to Mr. Lloyd,=94 Genachowski wrote on Aug. 24, =93his respo= nsibilities in the Office of General Counsel track Congress=92 directive = =85 that the Agency =91promote the policies and purposes of the Act favorin= g a diversity of voices=92 and enhance opportunities for women, minorities,= and small businesses to participate in the communications marketplace, inc= luding in the FCC=92s auction and licensing processes.=94 =20 Lloyd wrote in Prologue that the =93communications marketplace=94 should ch= ange dramatically, with private broadcasters competing against a nationwide= , well-financed public broadcasting corporation funded by the sale of the b= roadcast licenses Genachowski mentioned in his letter. =20 =93The Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) must be reformed along dem= ocratic lines and funded at a substantial level,=94 Lloyd wrote. =93Federal= and regional [public] broadcast operations and local [public] stations sho= uld be funded at levels commensurate with or above those spending levels at= which commercial operations are funded.=94 =20 =93This funding should come from license fees charged to commercial broadca= sters,=94 wrote Lloyd. =93The FCC should be fully funded with regulatory f= ees from [private] broadcast, cable, satellite, and telecommunications comp= anies.=94 =20 Lloyd also wrote that the protests of private broadcasters, who might view = such policies as a limitation on their First Amendment rights, were simply = exaggerations, saying that the First Amendment had been =93warped=94 to ser= ve international corporations. =20 =93[A]ll too often Americans use the First Amendment to end discussions of = communications policy,=94 wrote Lloyd. =93This freedom is all too often an = exaggeration. At the very least, blind references to freedom of speech or t= he press serve as a distraction from the critical examination of communicat= ions policies.=94 =20 =93[T]he purpose of free speech is warped to protect global corporations an= d block rules that would promote democratic governance,=94 said Lloyd. =20 As has been previously reported, Lloyd believes that to combat the control = of international business and restore government to what he sees as its rig= htful place in managing public communications, a =93confrontational movemen= t=94 must be launched to protest the present order and organize a political= movement that could force government to rein the businesses in.=20 =20 =93If our republican form of government is perishing because communications= =96 the infrastructure of that republic =96 is under the yoke of internati= onal business how, at last, do we save it?=94 he asks. =93We must build a c= onfrontational movement to reclaim our democracy, a movement committed to a= ctive and sustained protest against the present order.=94 =20 To do this, Lloyd draws on his experience lobbying the FCC during the Clint= on administration, counseling would-be revolutionaries to follow the tactic= s used by other left-wing movements, such as the followers of Saul Alinsky = and the people who ran the campaign to block a Supreme Court nominee. "We understood at the beginning, and were certainly reminded in the course = of the campaign," wrote Lloyd, "that our work was not simply convincing pol= icy makers of the logic or morality of our arguments. We understood that we= were in a struggle for power against an oppenent, the commercial broadcast= ers ...." From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Oct 06 17:47:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81129 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 00:47:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 00:47:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 00:47:51 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.178] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091006194726100917300010.0) with SMTP id <20091006194726100917300010> for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:47:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009b01ca46e8$93296100$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:47:26 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=PmQrYFtOcS01M3_6Spc3lbk40hAiHJRBRlySHfXOl6JC-qugniWq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?? I saw a reference to NRSC-1 and 2 in there but nothing about using it with an external AM stereo generator. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:15 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter http://home.comcast.net/~filebay1/Cunningham_Transmitters_Model_CM_30_50.pdf --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Oct 06 18:08:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11108 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 01:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 01:08:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 01:08:17 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.178] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091006200805100499000010.0) with SMTP id <20091006200805100499000010> for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:08:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010301ca46eb$75915c80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:08:05 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1APGG6wTWJ-U1cxkI0f98yEXIW9f7zcUe7kH53fLDsrBO-GgAjuM X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The hurdles aren't as high as they used to be from an FCC standpoint. All you have to be is a US citizen and not have a felony on your record. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 2:27 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 Towers are expensive. Why would anyone build one on month to month leased land? I live about a half days drive from Eastern MS. I might go check it out. Doesn't the FCC have some say as to who can buy a radio station? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Oct 06 18:12:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22145 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 01:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 01:12:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 01:12:20 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.178] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091006201151100941200010.0) with SMTP id <20091006201151100941200010> for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:11:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <011101ca46eb$fc940b60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <851016.18976.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:11:51 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions on Cunningham Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=t6ORldXGRFRx0Xyea05ganXbVJ2amUeRatNOskKkYbd-R7GDomkE X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Late 80s, IIRC. The wife and I took a trip through the southern US shortly after we were married, which was about this same time and we made it a point to stop and see him. I had bought from and donated equipment to him over the years, so we had a bit of a friendship. He died a few years ago. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 11:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} Questions on Cunningham Transmitters When did these 'Cunningham Transmitters' hit the market? Are they still sold, tubes and all? Performance at low power? Cost? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Oct 06 18:13:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66190 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 01:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 01:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 01:13:56 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.178] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091006201330101176700010.0) with SMTP id <20091006201330101176700010> for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:13:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012a01ca46ec$37ad2240$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <4ACAA7F0.5030501@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:13:30 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} BC-500H Manual Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=KyZ7T-5EpY0hiwbB_Jxg2mbWbi3oGnYGLr7QiDhBrr_-gPfNBDwl X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.amfone.net would be a good place to start. Lots of hams there with converted broadcast rigs. I'd get over there more myself if I had the time, but you'll find it very educational. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com ; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com ; amradiodx@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: {AMSF} BC-500H Manual Needed Anybody know where I can download a copy of the manual for a Gates BC-500H? Thanks, -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Oct 06 18:15:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71817 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 01:15:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 01:15:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 01:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.178] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091006201511101467700010.0) with SMTP id <20091006201511101467700010> for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:15:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <013901ca46ec$7395be20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <904024.26577.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <151A18A05B7746F8B52644D1FADE4CBC@experien3f2fc9> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:15:11 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=R9wMtqQb1J0uzg2MB9RK14FRtDMY4a696EoWBDhvArB_up1Xp7F8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know that DRM is any better, just different. I don't think they ev= er developed a hybrid analog/digital version of it. I DO prefer the open s= ource nature of it, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: hank smith=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:09 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference drm is better then iboc if you would choose digital would you all pick drm? what would you rather have drm or iboc? am curious. I think drm should become standard then this iboc bowl shit ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference I wish Crawford would come to Detroit and see how their IBOC is screwing = up CKWW!WMUZ-AM (or whatever they call it now) is on 560, CK is on 580. The= hiss is VERY annoying when listening to a station that is playing music, a= nd putting forth very respectable audio. Crawford won't even acknowledge th= e complaints, so I tried appealing to the Canadian government, foolishly th= inking maybe pressure regarding INTERNATIONAL interference might help. No s= uch luck, of course. The engineers can say whatever they like, if the digital power is enough = to cause noise, then it is TOO MUCH, even if it is in MICRO watts. IBOC is a loser, when are these imbeciles backing it going to LEARN? Even= WJR finally got the hint, and turned it off completely. If so many people = are listening to IBOC, why would the biggest radio station in the Detroit m= arket shut it down?!? As for shirt-pocket sized HD radios, so what? I bought a Grundig analog-t= uned AM/SW/FM radio for $30, fits in the shirt pocket, and sounds GOOD (bet= ter than low-bitrate digital crap) on MW and SW signals...WHEN IBOC isn't s= crewing things up. Betcha most Radio Shack stores are still selling way mor= e of those little toy Grundigs than HD sets. I can only see one motive for still pushing this abomination of the mediu= m waves...profit for Ibiquity and their shareholders. To them I say, go get= your damn money some other way, like maybe WORKING for it! STOP RUINING AM= RADIO!!! IT IS CRIMINAL!!! It is time to wake up, get over the foolish notion that "digital is alway= s better", and clean MW up and KEEP it clean! As it stands now, I'll bet IBOC has LOST AM radio listeners from all the = noise (they've damn sure lost me), so if the intent is to bring back the au= dience, forget it. Best way to do that is stick to the full NRSC ANALOG ban= dwidth, and turn those poor rusting C-QUAM exciters back on! P.O.'d? You bet your red-hot ATUs I am! This is a very passionate thing w= ith me, so forgive me if I preach...I'm just totally fed up with IBOC, and = all the other problems plaguing AM. More and more, I find myself listening to FM in the car and at home, at l= east it is relatively good sounding, and stereo, and now usually in Pro-Log= ic II Surround...a technology that BTW would also work JUST FINE on AM Ster= eo! (It is an analog matrix system, so no "bit-sharing", "joint stereo codi= ng", or extra bandwidth is required.) Now, I better sign off before my blood pressure becomes enough to reactiv= ate WLW's cooling pond!!! BTW, a lot of people around here are having a lot of trouble getting OTA = television now...so digital is always better, eh? Bring back the NRSC, AND = the NTSC!!! George=20 --- On Sun, 10/4/09, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} IBOC interference To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:33 PM Interesting article from the Newsletter of Crawford Broadcasting Company = Corporate Engineering: The Local Oscillator October 2009 A Tale of Two Stations Last month, there were news items in both Radio World Newsbytes (online) and Radio World (Sept. 9 issue) about an ongoing IBOC interference issue between our KBRT(AM) in Los Angeles and Midwest Television=E2=80=99s KFMB(AM) in San Diego. The reporting evidently came directly from a back-andforth set of pleadings with the FCC, and to the extent of what was contained in those pleadings, the reporting was factual. However, as is so often the case, such pleadings are full of posturing and hand waving designed to paint the best overall picture for each side. In this case in particular, the KFMB pleadings were especially colorful, containing certain exaggerations that would imply that KFMB=E2=80=99s coverage is completely obliterated in some areas of Orange County. That, of course, is simply not true. Since late 2008, the power in KBRT=E2=80=99s upper primary digital carriers has been on the order of 2.5 watts, hardly enough power to cause serious impairment to a 5 kW station with its transmitter site just over 60 miles away. To give a little background, KBRT signed on the air on740 kHz in 1953 from its present site on Santa Catalina Island. From there, with a water path to the mainland, the station put a 5 mV or better signal over all of Southern California, including San Diego. In 1961, the clear channels were realigned and 540 kHz was given to the Mexicans as a Mexican clear. KFMB was at that time operating on 540 kHz. With the realignment, they had to move to some other frequency. A couple of other choices were considered =E2=80=93 550 and 830 kHz =E2=80=93 and KFMB opted for 760 kHz, second-adjacent to KBRT. As soon as KFMB made the move, interference began. For 28 years, KBRT (then KBIG) endured =E2=80=9Cmonkey chatter=E2=80=9D from KFMB even in its strongest signal areas (I remember hearing that interference at the KBRT studios in Costa Mesa as late as 1988). Likewise, KFMB received a lot of interference from KBRT, even in San Diego. It was not until the NRSC audio standard went into effect in 1990 that bandwidth limiting quieted most (but by no means all) of the =E2=80=9Cmonkey chatter=E2=80=9D interference. Issues of desense and increased noise floor remained, however, as you would expect with such closely spaced second-adjacent channel stations. KBRT fired up its HD Radio operation in March of 2006. For half a year, all was well. Then in October of that year, a full six months later, we began receiving interference complaints from KFMB. The allegation was that the KBRT upper primary digital carriers were interfering with KFMB in Vista, Oceanside and San Clemente, California. In March of 2007, we sent consulting engineer Joel Saxburg out to these locations with KFMB=E2=80=99s engineer to evaluate the interference. His conclusion was that =E2=80=9CNoise and/or digital artifacts do not seem to bother normal AM broadcast programming if they are > 20 dB below the desired program material level.=E2=80=9D In two of the measurement locations, the D/U ratio was very close to 20 dB, so we knew that it would be possible to eliminate the noise there with a small power adjustment. It was shortly thereafter (May) that wildfire swept across Catalina Island, and all our efforts were focused for many months on survival. We did not deal further with the interference question until the following August, when we voluntarily reduced the KBRT upper primary digital power level by 2 dB. We heard nothing further from the KFMB camp until July 31, 2008, almost a year later. We thereafter commissioned a set of additional measurements and listening tests, and these were made by Joel Saxburg on September 27, 2008 at the same three locations. The results were very similar to what we had seen before, but weather and ground conditions were not consistent between 2 the two measurement sets, so the results of the 2 dB decrease were not completely evident. At the end of 2008, we voluntarily reduced the KBRT upper primary digital carrier levels by an additional 4 dB (a total of 6 dB) for the purpose of evaluating the effect at the three KFMB measurement/ listening locations. Before we had a chance to evaluate, the FCC ordered the 6 dB power reduction of the upper primary digital carriers in January 2009. Since we were already operating at -6 dB, nothing further needed to be done. Except during brief tests periods with additional power reductions, we've been at =E2=80=93 6 dB (-36 dBc) ever since. We appealed the January 2009 FCC order for four stated reasons: (1) It asserted a signal protection standard which is contrary to the FCC rules; (2) it ordered KBRT to reduce its IBOC operating power beyond protection standards set forth in the FCC=E2=80=99s IBOC Order; (3) it did not adequately verify the validity of the listener complaints submitted by KFMB; and (4) it failed to reconcile or justify why KFMB=E2=80=99s contours must be protected to any greater degree than the protection ratios establishes in 1961 when the FCC waived its contour protection rules to allow KFMB to operate on 760 kHz (and creating a great deal of otherwise impermissible overlap between the stations). To date, we are still awaiting a ruling on our petition for reconsideration. In August 2009, KFMB brought a new interference complaint based on three new measurement locations =E2=80=93 one in Riverside County and the other two in Orange County =E2=80=93 and petitioned the FCC to order KBRT to turn off its IBOC carriers. Amidst hand waving and overheated rhetoric (do they teach this in law school?), KFMB argued primarily that the interference is so severe that in some protected areas (such as Irvine, CA which is situated between KFMB=E2=80=99s 2 mV/m and 0.5 mV/m contours), the signal of KFMB(AM) =E2=80=9Ccannot be heard at all.=E2=80=9D I personally went to each new measurement location with Joel Saxburg last month to assess KFMB=E2=80=99s observations. At each location, we took a spectrum shot, measured the carrier field strength of each station and made an audio recording of KFMB. At the first location near Sun City, we didn=E2=80=99t observe any objectionable interference. I had Bill Agresta turn the KBRT digital carriers off and back on while we were at that location. Any change was lost in the background noise. KBRT=E2=80=99s carrier field strength was 3.3 mV/m and KFMB=E2=80=99s was 0.72 mV/m, a 13 dB ratio. At the second location in Irvine, a =E2=80=9Chiss=E2=80=9D was audible from the KBRT digital carriers, but it was far below the program level and in no way impeded the listenability of KFMB at that location. The KBRT carrier field strength at this location was 19 mV/m and KFMB=E2=80=99s was 0.55 mV/m, a 31 dB differential. At the third location in Costa Mesa, the situation was very similar =E2=80=93 a =E2=80=9Chiss=E2=80=9D in the background with the KFMB program audio very listenable. The KBRT carrier field strength was 32 mV/m at this location; KFMB=E2=80=99s was 1.9 mV/m (24.5 dB). Joel and I also made some further measurements at these locations with different KBRT digital carrier power levels. That gave us a good idea of what effect further power reductions would have, both on the slight background =E2=80=9Chiss=E2=80=9D under KFMB at the locations where KBRT is very strong and KFMB is relatively weak, and with respect to KBRT=E2=80=99s digital performance within the desired coverage area. We drove all around Orange County, including Irvine and Costa Mesa, with the KBRT upper digital carriers at -6 dB with respect to the lowers and listened to KFMB. We found that the station was entirely listenable except where you would expect problems, beneath power lines or near large-aperture metallic structures. These observations fly in the face of KFMB=E2=80=99s complaint that the signal of KFMB(AM) remains =E2=80=9Ccompletely unreceivable=E2=80=9D at Irvine and Costa Mesa. So where do we go from here? A few thoughts=E2=80=A6 First, the situation is nowhere nearly as bad as KFMB paints it. KFMB is an out-of-market San Diego station complaining of interference in the greater Los Angeles area where it likely has few listeners anyway, an area well outside its secondadjacent protected 5 mV/m contour and even outside the AM =E2=80=9Cmetro grade=E2=80=9D 2 mV/m contour (note that all the new measurement locations in the second KFMB complaint are outside both the 5 mV/m protected contour and the 2 mV/m metro grade contour). Nevertheless, if I lived in the area and wanted to listen to KFMB, that wouldn=E2=80=99t be a problem. Most folks wouldn=E2=80=99t even notice. Second, KBRT is operating completely within the FCC rules and particularly within the emission limitations of =C2=A773.44. The fact that some of the authorized spectrum is occupied with digital carriers is really beside the point. We are entitled to all of the spectrum =E2=80=9Creal estate=E2=80=9D authorized by =C2=A773.44. If we wanted to, we could fill the RF mask up with broadband noise right up to the limits of =C2=A773.44 (-25 dBc for 10.2 to 20 kHz) and undoubtedly affect KFMB not only in Orange County but south 3 into San Diego County as well. Of course we do not intend to do that, but we could because the law allows it. Someone needs to pay attention to that fact. KBRT is now operating with its upper primary digital carriers at -36 dBc. The nominal level of the digital primary carriers for KBRT is -30 dBc, even though the iBiquity spec is -28 dBc. The lower level was chosen to minimize third-order IM products at +/-25 kHz. The point here is that KBRT=E2=80=99s upper digital primary carriers are at an even lower level than one might think if the nominal -28 dBc were assumed. Again, at -36 dBc, the power level of these digital carriers is about 2.5 watts. The last thing we want to do is cause our spectrum neighbor any trouble. That=E2=80=99s been evident in the way we have cooperated with KFMB, making two voluntary power reductions before the FCC made the order official. And we continue to cooperate with KFMB. Somewhere between where we are now and turning our IBOC carriers off altogether is a compromise we are exploring. We simply need to find out where that is. For its part, the FCC created this mess and whether it will admit it or not at this late date, is responsible in large measure for what=E2=80=99s going on. KFMB should never have been allowed to occupy 760 kHz when other channels were plainly available. In 1961, the second-adjacent channel prohibited overlap was 2/25 mV. KBRT=E2=80=99s 2 mV/m contour overlaps the KFMB site! There was in that day no location within the KFMB 25 mV/m contour outside of the KBRT 2 mV/m contour. Likewise the KBRT site is within the KFMB 2 mV/m contour. The 2/25 KFMB/KBRT overlap was 100%. When the protection ratios were changed in the early 1990s to 5/5 mV, the situation didn=E2=80=99t get much better. The KFMB site is within the KBRT 5 mV/m contour. While the 5/5 mV overlap is not 100%, the percentage is very high. With this degree of FCCordered second-adjacent overlap =E2=80=93 IBOC or not =E2=80=93 what the heck do you expect? With the trade press attention focused on this case, the whole broadcast community is now watching, no doubt looking for the FCC to set a precedent by ruling that will thereafter be applicable across the board. But the reality is that this is a =E2=80=9Cpurple cow=E2=80=9D (to borrow the apt words of our attorney), a unique forced degree of second-adjacent overlap and seawater propagation path (all of which the FCC knew in 1961) not likely to be duplicated anywhere else. Whatever happens here is not likely to bear on any other case (are there even any similar?). The bar to an AM spacing waiver is so high that such a waiver is almost never granted. While our desire is for KBRT to continue to transmit in the hybrid digital mode and we are willing to assert our spectrum rights to protect that operation, we are mindful of Jesus=E2=80=99 admonition to =E2=80=9Cdo unto others=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D With that in mind, we will continue to work toward a mutually acceptable solution. HD Radio Perspectives As I edit this month=E2=80=99s Local Oscillator, I am reminded of the old story about the blind men and the elephant. You remember it=E2=80=A6 each, touching a different part of the elephant =E2=80=93 trunk, tusks, legs, tail, had a completely different perspective. In his column below, Brian Cunningham honestly assesses the HD Radio situation in his two markets, citing the fact that retailers do not promote or stock HD Radio receivers at all. As a result, there is no virtually no consumer demand, and broadcasters are beginning to curtail some of their costly multicast activities. Contrast that to markets such as Detroit, Denver, Chicago and Los Angeles. Just last month, Amanda went to BestBuy and purchased two in-stock HD Radio products, the Zune-HD and the Insignia portable. While sales clerks aren=E2=80=99t trained all that well on HD Radio products (they=E2=80=99re not all that well trained on any of the products in the store in my opinion), the products are available and store personnel have some awareness of them. So is HD Radio circling the drain as Brian seems to believe, or is it a =E2=80=9Cbreakout=E2=80=9D technology on the verge of broad consumer acceptance? I think it=E2=80=99s a little of both =E2=80=93 different perspectives of the elephant so to speak. With shirt-pocket HD portables now available for the cost of dinner for three at the average restaurant, a major marketing hurdle has been cleared. The economy has certainly dealt the HD-R rollout a significant setback, but things are looking reasonably good if things recover. But in some markets =E2=80=93 and I think Buffalo-Rochester is unique because of its social and economic ties to Canada =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s a different story altogether. This is no different that the digital television perspective between large/medium and small markets. Ask the guy in Podunk, Texas who gets his news and entertainment from a local translator if he gives a hoot about HDTV. It=E2=80=99s all about perspective. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Oct 06 18:33:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73444 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 01:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 01:33:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f213.google.com) (209.85.219.213) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 01:33:21 -0000 X-Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so4613741ewy.1 for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:33:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.216.22.147 with SMTP id t19mr468176wet.174.1254879200954; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-208-218.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.208.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x6sm310310gvf.9.2009.10.06.18.33.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <87F251AB40E54D8881E5A925B679802F@experien3f2fc9> To: References: <010301ca46eb$75915c80$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:32:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.213 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=oKp8qkbI8z-NK8pAhRrIkfv3MVPwNe5QhfgckwMxMlqoX63_FdLL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit but you do have to have half a million. that is still better then then telling who and who can't start a station ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 The hurdles aren't as high as they used to be from an FCC standpoint. All you have to be is a US citizen and not have a felony on your record. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 2:27 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 Towers are expensive. Why would anyone build one on month to month leased land? I live about a half days drive from Eastern MS. I might go check it out. Doesn't the FCC have some say as to who can buy a radio station? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Oct 06 18:35:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18607 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 01:35:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 01:35:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f206.google.com) (209.85.219.206) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 01:35:22 -0000 X-Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so1671821ewy.27 for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:35:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.216.37.194 with SMTP id y44mr475554wea.215.1254879321350; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-208-218.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.208.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m5sm1366381gve.1.2009.10.06.18.35.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <904024.26577.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <151A18A05B7746F8B52644D1FADE4CBC@experien3f2fc9> <013901ca46ec$7395be20$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:34:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=knpi5yghM-f2eRtz_6kSbaBy31XfdrRrFT4NtFW8JYBTeTj-shL- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello yes drm has developed a a hybrid analog/digital version of it. I DO p= refer the open source nature of it, am tryig to find out more the open source of drm is pushing me that way as well if only the damn fcc would adopt it ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference I don't know that DRM is any better, just different. I don't think they= ever developed a hybrid analog/digital version of it. I DO prefer the open= source nature of it, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: hank smith=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:09 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference drm is better then iboc if you would choose digital would you all pick drm? what would you rather have drm or iboc? am curious. I think drm should become standard then this iboc bowl shit ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference I wish Crawford would come to Detroit and see how their IBOC is screwing = up CKWW!WMUZ-AM (or whatever they call it now) is on 560, CK is on 580. The= hiss is VERY annoying when listening to a station that is playing music, a= nd putting forth very respectable audio. Crawford won't even acknowledge th= e complaints, so I tried appealing to the Canadian government, foolishly th= inking maybe pressure regarding INTERNATIONAL interference might help. No s= uch luck, of course. The engineers can say whatever they like, if the digital power is enough = to cause noise, then it is TOO MUCH, even if it is in MICRO watts. IBOC is a loser, when are these imbeciles backing it going to LEARN? Even= WJR finally got the hint, and turned it off completely. If so many people = are listening to IBOC, why would the biggest radio station in the Detroit m= arket shut it down?!? As for shirt-pocket sized HD radios, so what? I bought a Grundig analog-t= uned AM/SW/FM radio for $30, fits in the shirt pocket, and sounds GOOD (bet= ter than low-bitrate digital crap) on MW and SW signals...WHEN IBOC isn't s= crewing things up. Betcha most Radio Shack stores are still selling way mor= e of those little toy Grundigs than HD sets. I can only see one motive for still pushing this abomination of the mediu= m waves...profit for Ibiquity and their shareholders. To them I say, go get= your damn money some other way, like maybe WORKING for it! STOP RUINING AM= RADIO!!! IT IS CRIMINAL!!! It is time to wake up, get over the foolish notion that "digital is alway= s better", and clean MW up and KEEP it clean! As it stands now, I'll bet IBOC has LOST AM radio listeners from all the = noise (they've damn sure lost me), so if the intent is to bring back the au= dience, forget it. Best way to do that is stick to the full NRSC ANALOG ban= dwidth, and turn those poor rusting C-QUAM exciters back on! P.O.'d? You bet your red-hot ATUs I am! This is a very passionate thing w= ith me, so forgive me if I preach...I'm just totally fed up with IBOC, and = all the other problems plaguing AM. More and more, I find myself listening to FM in the car and at home, at l= east it is relatively good sounding, and stereo, and now usually in Pro-Log= ic II Surround...a technology that BTW would also work JUST FINE on AM Ster= eo! (It is an analog matrix system, so no "bit-sharing", "joint stereo codi= ng", or extra bandwidth is required.) Now, I better sign off before my blood pressure becomes enough to reactiv= ate WLW's cooling pond!!! BTW, a lot of people around here are having a lot of trouble getting OTA = television now...so digital is always better, eh? Bring back the NRSC, AND = the NTSC!!! George=20 --- On Sun, 10/4/09, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} IBOC interference To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:33 PM Interesting article from the Newsletter of Crawford Broadcasting Company = Corporate Engineering: The Local Oscillator October 2009 A Tale of Two Stations Last month, there were news items in both Radio World Newsbytes (online) and Radio World (Sept. 9 issue) about an ongoing IBOC interference issue between our KBRT(AM) in Los Angeles and Midwest Television=E2=80=99s KFMB(AM) in San Diego. The reporting evidently came directly from a back-andforth set of pleadings with the FCC, and to the extent of what was contained in those pleadings, the reporting was factual. However, as is so often the case, such pleadings are full of posturing and hand waving designed to paint the best overall picture for each side. In this case in particular, the KFMB pleadings were especially colorful, containing certain exaggerations that would imply that KFMB=E2=80=99s coverage is completely obliterated in some areas of Orange County. That, of course, is simply not true. Since late 2008, the power in KBRT=E2=80=99s upper primary digital carriers has been on the order of 2.5 watts, hardly enough power to cause serious impairment to a 5 kW station with its transmitter site just over 60 miles away. To give a little background, KBRT signed on the air on740 kHz in 1953 from its present site on Santa Catalina Island. From there, with a water path to the mainland, the station put a 5 mV or better signal over all of Southern California, including San Diego. In 1961, the clear channels were realigned and 540 kHz was given to the Mexicans as a Mexican clear. KFMB was at that time operating on 540 kHz. With the realignment, they had to move to some other frequency. A couple of other choices were considered =E2=80=93 550 and 830 kHz =E2=80=93 and KFMB opted for 760 kHz, second-adjacent to KBRT. As soon as KFMB made the move, interference began. For 28 years, KBRT (then KBIG) endured =E2=80=9Cmonkey chatter=E2=80=9D from KFMB even in its strongest signal areas (I remember hearing that interference at the KBRT studios in Costa Mesa as late as 1988). Likewise, KFMB received a lot of interference from KBRT, even in San Diego. It was not until the NRSC audio standard went into effect in 1990 that bandwidth limiting quieted most (but by no means all) of the =E2=80=9Cmonkey chatter=E2=80=9D interference. Issues of desense and increased noise floor remained, however, as you would expect with such closely spaced second-adjacent channel stations. KBRT fired up its HD Radio operation in March of 2006. For half a year, all was well. Then in October of that year, a full six months later, we began receiving interference complaints from KFMB. The allegation was that the KBRT upper primary digital carriers were interfering with KFMB in Vista, Oceanside and San Clemente, California. In March of 2007, we sent consulting engineer Joel Saxburg out to these locations with KFMB=E2=80=99s engineer to evaluate the interference. His conclusion was that =E2=80=9CNoise and/or digital artifacts do not seem to bother normal AM broadcast programming if they are > 20 dB below the desired program material level.=E2=80=9D In two of the measurement locations, the D/U ratio was very close to 20 dB, so we knew that it would be possible to eliminate the noise there with a small power adjustment. It was shortly thereafter (May) that wildfire swept across Catalina Island, and all our efforts were focused for many months on survival. We did not deal further with the interference question until the following August, when we voluntarily reduced the KBRT upper primary digital power level by 2 dB. We heard nothing further from the KFMB camp until July 31, 2008, almost a year later. We thereafter commissioned a set of additional measurements and listening tests, and these were made by Joel Saxburg on September 27, 2008 at the same three locations. The results were very similar to what we had seen before, but weather and ground conditions were not consistent between 2 the two measurement sets, so the results of the 2 dB decrease were not completely evident. At the end of 2008, we voluntarily reduced the KBRT upper primary digital carrier levels by an additional 4 dB (a total of 6 dB) for the purpose of evaluating the effect at the three KFMB measurement/ listening locations. Before we had a chance to evaluate, the FCC ordered the 6 dB power reduction of the upper primary digital carriers in January 2009. Since we were already operating at -6 dB, nothing further needed to be done. Except during brief tests periods with additional power reductions, we've been at =E2=80=93 6 dB (-36 dBc) ever since. We appealed the January 2009 FCC order for four stated reasons: (1) It asserted a signal protection standard which is contrary to the FCC rules; (2) it ordered KBRT to reduce its IBOC operating power beyond protection standards set forth in the FCC=E2=80=99s IBOC Order; (3) it did not adequately verify the validity of the listener complaints submitted by KFMB; and (4) it failed to reconcile or justify why KFMB=E2=80=99s contours must be protected to any greater degree than the protection ratios establishes in 1961 when the FCC waived its contour protection rules to allow KFMB to operate on 760 kHz (and creating a great deal of otherwise impermissible overlap between the stations). To date, we are still awaiting a ruling on our petition for reconsideration. In August 2009, KFMB brought a new interference complaint based on three new measurement locations =E2=80=93 one in Riverside County and the other two in Orange County =E2=80=93 and petitioned the FCC to order KBRT to turn off its IBOC carriers. Amidst hand waving and overheated rhetoric (do they teach this in law school?), KFMB argued primarily that the interference is so severe that in some protected areas (such as Irvine, CA which is situated between KFMB=E2=80=99s 2 mV/m and 0.5 mV/m contours), the signal of KFMB(AM) =E2=80=9Ccannot be heard at all.=E2=80=9D I personally went to each new measurement location with Joel Saxburg last month to assess KFMB=E2=80=99s observations. At each location, we took a spectrum shot, measured the carrier field strength of each station and made an audio recording of KFMB. At the first location near Sun City, we didn=E2=80=99t observe any objectionable interference. I had Bill Agresta turn the KBRT digital carriers off and back on while we were at that location. Any change was lost in the background noise. KBRT=E2=80=99s carrier field strength was 3.3 mV/m and KFMB=E2=80=99s was 0.72 mV/m, a 13 dB ratio. At the second location in Irvine, a =E2=80=9Chiss=E2=80=9D was audible from the KBRT digital carriers, but it was far below the program level and in no way impeded the listenability of KFMB at that location. The KBRT carrier field strength at this location was 19 mV/m and KFMB=E2=80=99s was 0.55 mV/m, a 31 dB differential. At the third location in Costa Mesa, the situation was very similar =E2=80=93 a =E2=80=9Chiss=E2=80=9D in the background with the KFMB program audio very listenable. The KBRT carrier field strength was 32 mV/m at this location; KFMB=E2=80=99s was 1.9 mV/m (24.5 dB). Joel and I also made some further measurements at these locations with different KBRT digital carrier power levels. That gave us a good idea of what effect further power reductions would have, both on the slight background =E2=80=9Chiss=E2=80=9D under KFMB at the locations where KBRT is very strong and KFMB is relatively weak, and with respect to KBRT=E2=80=99s digital performance within the desired coverage area. We drove all around Orange County, including Irvine and Costa Mesa, with the KBRT upper digital carriers at -6 dB with respect to the lowers and listened to KFMB. We found that the station was entirely listenable except where you would expect problems, beneath power lines or near large-aperture metallic structures. These observations fly in the face of KFMB=E2=80=99s complaint that the signal of KFMB(AM) remains =E2=80=9Ccompletely unreceivable=E2=80=9D at Irvine and Costa Mesa. So where do we go from here? A few thoughts=E2=80=A6 First, the situation is nowhere nearly as bad as KFMB paints it. KFMB is an out-of-market San Diego station complaining of interference in the greater Los Angeles area where it likely has few listeners anyway, an area well outside its secondadjacent protected 5 mV/m contour and even outside the AM =E2=80=9Cmetro grade=E2=80=9D 2 mV/m contour (note that all the new measurement locations in the second KFMB complaint are outside both the 5 mV/m protected contour and the 2 mV/m metro grade contour). Nevertheless, if I lived in the area and wanted to listen to KFMB, that wouldn=E2=80=99t be a problem. Most folks wouldn=E2=80=99t even notice. Second, KBRT is operating completely within the FCC rules and particularly within the emission limitations of =C2=A773.44. The fact that some of the authorized spectrum is occupied with digital carriers is really beside the point. We are entitled to all of the spectrum =E2=80=9Creal estate=E2=80=9D authorized by =C2=A773.44. If we wanted to, we could fill the RF mask up with broadband noise right up to the limits of =C2=A773.44 (-25 dBc for 10.2 to 20 kHz) and undoubtedly affect KFMB not only in Orange County but south 3 into San Diego County as well. Of course we do not intend to do that, but we could because the law allows it. Someone needs to pay attention to that fact. KBRT is now operating with its upper primary digital carriers at -36 dBc. The nominal level of the digital primary carriers for KBRT is -30 dBc, even though the iBiquity spec is -28 dBc. The lower level was chosen to minimize third-order IM products at +/-25 kHz. The point here is that KBRT=E2=80=99s upper digital primary carriers are at an even lower level than one might think if the nominal -28 dBc were assumed. Again, at -36 dBc, the power level of these digital carriers is about 2.5 watts. The last thing we want to do is cause our spectrum neighbor any trouble. That=E2=80=99s been evident in the way we have cooperated with KFMB, making two voluntary power reductions before the FCC made the order official. And we continue to cooperate with KFMB. Somewhere between where we are now and turning our IBOC carriers off altogether is a compromise we are exploring. We simply need to find out where that is. For its part, the FCC created this mess and whether it will admit it or not at this late date, is responsible in large measure for what=E2=80=99s going on. KFMB should never have been allowed to occupy 760 kHz when other channels were plainly available. In 1961, the second-adjacent channel prohibited overlap was 2/25 mV. KBRT=E2=80=99s 2 mV/m contour overlaps the KFMB site! There was in that day no location within the KFMB 25 mV/m contour outside of the KBRT 2 mV/m contour. Likewise the KBRT site is within the KFMB 2 mV/m contour. The 2/25 KFMB/KBRT overlap was 100%. When the protection ratios were changed in the early 1990s to 5/5 mV, the situation didn=E2=80=99t get much better. The KFMB site is within the KBRT 5 mV/m contour. While the 5/5 mV overlap is not 100%, the percentage is very high. With this degree of FCCordered second-adjacent overlap =E2=80=93 IBOC or not =E2=80=93 what the heck do you expect? With the trade press attention focused on this case, the whole broadcast community is now watching, no doubt looking for the FCC to set a precedent by ruling that will thereafter be applicable across the board. But the reality is that this is a =E2=80=9Cpurple cow=E2=80=9D (to borrow the apt words of our attorney), a unique forced degree of second-adjacent overlap and seawater propagation path (all of which the FCC knew in 1961) not likely to be duplicated anywhere else. Whatever happens here is not likely to bear on any other case (are there even any similar?). The bar to an AM spacing waiver is so high that such a waiver is almost never granted. While our desire is for KBRT to continue to transmit in the hybrid digital mode and we are willing to assert our spectrum rights to protect that operation, we are mindful of Jesus=E2=80=99 admonition to =E2=80=9Cdo unto others=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D With that in mind, we will continue to work toward a mutually acceptable solution. HD Radio Perspectives As I edit this month=E2=80=99s Local Oscillator, I am reminded of the old story about the blind men and the elephant. You remember it=E2=80=A6 each, touching a different part of the elephant =E2=80=93 trunk, tusks, legs, tail, had a completely different perspective. In his column below, Brian Cunningham honestly assesses the HD Radio situation in his two markets, citing the fact that retailers do not promote or stock HD Radio receivers at all. As a result, there is no virtually no consumer demand, and broadcasters are beginning to curtail some of their costly multicast activities. Contrast that to markets such as Detroit, Denver, Chicago and Los Angeles. Just last month, Amanda went to BestBuy and purchased two in-stock HD Radio products, the Zune-HD and the Insignia portable. While sales clerks aren=E2=80=99t trained all that well on HD Radio products (they=E2=80=99re not all that well trained on any of the products in the store in my opinion), the products are available and store personnel have some awareness of them. So is HD Radio circling the drain as Brian seems to believe, or is it a =E2=80=9Cbreakout=E2=80=9D technology on the verge of broad consumer acceptance? I think it=E2=80=99s a little of both =E2=80=93 different perspectives of the elephant so to speak. With shirt-pocket HD portables now available for the cost of dinner for three at the average restaurant, a major marketing hurdle has been cleared. The economy has certainly dealt the HD-R rollout a significant setback, but things are looking reasonably good if things recover. But in some markets =E2=80=93 and I think Buffalo-Rochester is unique because of its social and economic ties to Canada =E2=80=93 it=E2=80=99s a different story altogether. This is no different that the digital television perspective between large/medium and small markets. Ask the guy in Podunk, Texas who gets his news and entertainment from a local translator if he gives a hoot about HDTV. It=E2=80=99s all about perspective. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 06 20:20:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57419 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 03:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 03:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 03:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2009 03:20:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2009 03:20:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:20:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions on Cunningham Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=IJ35TxT1ZDOhEHpYRP959kSiJBUQYnB6P0cx5uF_L6pVBlC_GeudE0E X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Daytimer WTOD on 1560 recently got a CP for 2 watts at night, but due to th= e economy, I doubt if they'll ever build their new tower array and let the = CP lapse; but, it sounds like this transmitter certainly would do the trick= ; CQuam would make it a real treat too! Cumulus is so cheap that their 5KW transmitter has been at 500W for a few y= ears as the AM ground system were wrecked by their own construction crew wh= en they expanded their building towards the two towers when then combined a= ll their newly bought stations into one building. Their other 1KW AM is at= 300W as they are ready to fall down. I wonder if they'll do anything at a= ll with either station. Very sad, as 1470, WLQR was the FIRST Cumulus station ever - Lew Dickey, Sr= . owned it as Midwestern Broadcasting morphed into Cumulus. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: ...The FCC began letting daytimers operated during restricted hours at very= low power beginning back then. It was not unusual to have 1, 5, 10, even = 50 kW stations operating at 30 to 50 watts=20 > at night. A stupid idea, but nobody asked me at the time. >=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 06 20:31:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75940 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 03:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 03:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 03:31:16 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2009 03:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2009 03:31:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2009 03:31:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:31:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <904024.26577.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=LRTH2Z_RHA5r73XEWqspBagdmBzWlEPH17n4Dqvq5sGaShVdlHC2puQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio My buddy George wrote:> > I wish Crawford would come to Detroit and see how their IBOC is screwing = up CKWW!WMUZ-AM (or whatever they call it now) is on 560, CK is on 580. =C2= =A0The hiss is VERY annoying=20 George, I totally agree with you on CKWW 580 vs WMUZ/WLLZ/WTF 560 is this m= onth. I can't even get an HD lock on 560 at the Ohio/Michigan line, so HD = is a waste, but more importantly, on analog radios 560 spews hiss over the = top of CKWW - a decent music station. What disgusts me even more is 560AM = is a religious (RW zealot) station that isn't acting very Christian-like wi= th their operation of WMUZ/WLLZ, and the same for WBRT (which nearly burned= -down 1/4 of Catalina Island. They ran CQuam on both stations, and that was= nice, but IBOC is not. The ONLY good news/bad news is this: if you buy an= IBOC radio, they have a special filter in it that seriously cuts down the = IBOC spew on 2nd adjacents, and you can almost hear CKWW again. So, when I= BOC engineers say they don't hear any IBOC swill 40KHz away, it's because t= hey're listening on an IBOC radio - have'm try a 'real' analog radio and se= e how much they like it. I would love to hear CKWW on my regular CQuam car radio again, but I have t= o switch on the HD dud to be able to tune 580 without 560's destruction of = it. 910AM Detroit also ruins my CQuam reception at night of 890 WLS. In a= ddition, the 'tards at ODOT put 3 traffic transmitters on 1630, so now I lo= st my CQuam from KCJJ - damn. Now I'm left with 630, CFCO for AM Stero music in the daytime. I'm just as fried with you George, and I'm ready to write Cris Alexander a = letter about his POS IBOC on 560 Monroe/Detroit. 73's John PS: Email WJR and see why they won't put their CQuam back on at night like = sister station WLS does? From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 06 20:40:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41210 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 03:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 03:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 03:40:27 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n973dtFA024459 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:39:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d1c.4e7151f0 (30739) for ; Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:39:53 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions on Cunningham Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=yAirqSGxRWR7STIBX31Pk4VBVEKWdSLQ9Ffm9dB_2SxPvgIhs-26uJVukzYpw-_l X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/6/2009 8:12:44 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Late 80s, IIRC. The wife and I took a trip through the southern US > shortly after we were married, which was about this same time and we made it a > point to stop and see him. I had bought from and donated equipment to him > over the years, so we had a bit of a friendship. He died a few years ago. > I am sorry to hear of his passing. Was he an older gentleman? That FCC stuff will catch up with him. I am badly lapsed, but when I was amongst the Faithful, I believe not getting FCC Type Approval was good for a couple centuries in Purgatory. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 06 21:12:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19682 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 04:12:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 04:12:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 04:12:11 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n974BtY5015242 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2009 00:11:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.cd2.5d3e8d0f (30739) for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2009 00:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 00:11:52 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC does not allow staff to be interviewed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5bmJir_AC3njqI-9PK7CNJB1gOEYnG3zrDSFLMuK2N_mlDFzHAksGma6C0DXmg1R X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. Lloyd needlessly worries. As far as AM radio is concerned, all he (and others) need do is just let the free market work out the situation. Competion has just about destroyed the medium as it is and will finish the job soon enough without his intervention. Not to get into a political discussion, but I hear Rush Limbaugh wants to buy my hometown St. Louis RAMS. He's packing a parachute. There is a Missouri legend (Rush grew up in a small town about 100 miles down the Big Muddy from St. Louis) that Rush applied to Mizzou wanting to play football. His application was rejected stating they already had several. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 06 21:44:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1069 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 04:44:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 04:44:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 04:44:32 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n974iU7B010787 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2009 00:44:31 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bbc.4d784cd3 (30739) for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2009 00:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 00:44:29 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=6evL5fgVmdZHuesNP_KUEqr4tD4ayGQd0LytYdOo2Q229K0vA9igIb7zZi-VJOMz X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/6/2009 7:48:17 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > I saw a reference to NRSC-1 and 2 in there but nothing about using it > with an external AM stereo generator. > You would have to get into the oscillator section and rebuilt it to take an external RF input. Probably doable. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 06 21:52:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38352 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 04:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 04:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 04:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n974qjdT024824 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2009 00:52:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d51.5885d69d (30739) for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2009 00:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 00:52:42 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zvh9TCd0_96VbOSqrt6bGGYZb9qagZqntLgLBTxlkGzvwaOJKjlUvagCA45TmfCL X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/6/2009 8:08:30 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > The hurdles aren't as high as they used to be from an FCC standpoint. All > you have to be is a US citizen and not have a felony on your record. > It used to be you needed a Washington, D.C. lawyer, had to have your ownership and proposed management vetted, a local public access file, proof of financial responsibility, etc.. Gosh, I wish had an extra $60K laying around. I could use it as a technical beta site while George and Hank remote program it live in AM Stereo when it was not carrying Air America and Randi Rhodes. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 06 22:24:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8162 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 05:24:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 05:24:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 05:24:36 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n975OZ53013871 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:24:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.cbd.4b74cbe3 (30739) for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:24:29 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fsNvTtwfkMHuSs9D91svUjTLZzwSY2MBn21DzwDdvZfmdCOtTWLyFnRlk7T0ZC6G X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Crawford Broadcasting purchased the old KXOK license in St. Louis which operates at 5 kW fulltime directional on 630. It's a religious station. No, not like KFUO operated by the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, but the right wing Family Research Council stuff. I thought religious broadcasting was all Crawford did. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 06 22:36:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64987 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 05:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 05:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 05:36:45 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n975aeHs002566 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:36:40 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bc5.546a7996 (30739) for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:36:38 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vLzl3IpvuX7KkiFUHyopJZSE0KvzMmEjJGpvci-sum5SEGEj63V8hM4KBPMFJKtw X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/6/2009 8:08:30 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > The hurdles aren't as high as they used to be from an FCC standpoint. All > you have to be is a US citizen I don't have to produce an original birth certificate do I? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Oct 06 23:09:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18277 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 06:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 06:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.148) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 06:09:20 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so1652893qwa.0 for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:09:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.125.76 with SMTP id x12mr2176045qar.130.1254895760471; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-208-218.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.208.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm386003qwi.35.2009.10.06.23.09.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7BEBC21DE31D4A21B54C7A19A9806F39@experien3f2fc9> To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:09:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC does not allow staff to be interviewed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=togcaQ_Pjv8P8cnsSiO4RZMcWiEuAxKb9HQDX1ITTXUYvk3bT7dX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no no no not rush skumbaw hes horrible I am not in to rush limbaw at all ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} FCC does not allow staff to be interviewed Mr. Lloyd needlessly worries. As far as AM radio is concerned, all he (and others) need do is just let the free market work out the situation. Competion has just about destroyed the medium as it is and will finish the job soon enough without his intervention. Not to get into a political discussion, but I hear Rush Limbaugh wants to buy my hometown St. Louis RAMS. He's packing a parachute. There is a Missouri legend (Rush grew up in a small town about 100 miles down the Big Muddy from St. Louis) that Rush applied to Mizzou wanting to play football. His application was rejected stating they already had several. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Oct 06 23:19:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33524 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 06:19:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 06:19:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f191.google.com) (209.85.221.191) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 06:19:49 -0000 X-Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so4414040qyk.32 for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:19:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.89.136 with SMTP id e8mr2148306qam.261.1254896389084; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-208-218.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.208.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1234668qwd.7.2009.10.06.23.19.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <498256A2B3894BE49523BD6DED799FC7@experien3f2fc9> To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:19:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=iLIuJVE3SWE1p0Wn_IrJ2rXo0TOU6wRo2fraIeUr1YyKuisHOEZC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hell yeah I would do it to. I would make that old station kick ass and be reborn it would be the most listened radio station to! ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:52 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 In a message dated 10/6/2009 8:08:30 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > The hurdles aren't as high as they used to be from an FCC standpoint. All > you have to be is a US citizen and not have a felony on your record. > It used to be you needed a Washington, D.C. lawyer, had to have your ownership and proposed management vetted, a local public access file, proof of financial responsibility, etc.. Gosh, I wish had an extra $60K laying around. I could use it as a technical beta site while George and Hank remote program it live in AM Stereo when it was not carrying Air America and Randi Rhodes. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Oct 06 23:23:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49442 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 06:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 06:23:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f185.google.com) (209.85.221.185) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 06:23:50 -0000 X-Received: by qyk15 with SMTP id 15so4020152qyk.23 for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:23:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.92.143 with SMTP id r15mr2176054qam.105.1254896629985; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-208-218.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.208.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm86350qwf.32.2009.10.06.23.23.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7A79C3CB0B01429F81CF08EA035590C8@experien3f2fc9> To: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:23:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: any one heard of reed broadcasting? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=uLhGI2fnqnEYeSyy7_hTr4vra3jJBNFM_r7tgUBLibgCJJyAHhMg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello has any one heard of this outfit? he came around spokane wa in the 90's used to listen to his really low voice on the air waves. anyways have no idea about this guy and his past history has he ever been really huge or one of these 1-man operations who owns 2 stations in spokane wa, puts big ass translators all over eastern wa and he does to. heard this thing on stations all over the eastern side of the state acn. american christian network I had a friend in seattle tell me he was heard around there not doing religious but a mixiture of old time radio, and big band stuff before he left seattle and went to spokane Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Oct 07 02:48:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48993 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 09:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 09:48:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f185.google.com) (209.85.221.185) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 09:48:28 -0000 X-Received: by qyk15 with SMTP id 15so4094224qyk.23 for ; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:48:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.30.209 with SMTP id v17mr2316414qac.188.1254908908163; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.255.116? (dialup-4.152.255.116.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.255.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm605403qwf.32.2009.10.07.02.48.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ACC63D5.4030405@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 05:48:05 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4ACAA7F0.5030501@gmail.com> <012a01ca46ec$37ad2240$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <012a01ca46ec$37ad2240$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} BC-500H Manual Needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=4g4nuIFP1tNtU9ZkmnGR460JQsVk7YspuLl9C1hnHpZYOvXNt289P5GcaHZ-Gw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > www.amfone.net would be a good place to start. Thanks, I signed up for their Reflector. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Oct 07 03:04:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30927 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 10:04:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 10:04:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 10:04:13 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1565038qwk.50 for ; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:04:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.18.156 with SMTP id w28mr1821348qaa.221.1254909852347; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.255.116? (dialup-4.152.255.116.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.255.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1094251qwf.52.2009.10.07.03.04.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ACC6785.5040608@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:03:49 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions on Cunningham Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=rI2Sf14e9li_yoPNwnG43enQgA5verpdbQwBXJKobkMeIUlBqfH1_6pgLK_IRA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 toledohamradio wrote: > Daytimer WTOD on 1560 recently got a CP for 2 watts at night, 2 Watts? Why bother? You won't be able to hear it in the transmitter parking lot! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Wed Oct 07 03:13:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24294 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 10:12:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 10:12:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 10:12:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2009 10:12:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2009 10:12:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:12:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009b01ca46e8$93296100$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=W06N7YTGjyt8N0Xnog_tFvHGuyMyzTkSVin2k3aKED3N X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > ?? I saw a reference to NRSC-1 and 2 in there but nothing about using it= with an external AM stereo generator. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kc8gpd=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:15 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter >=20 >=20 > http://home.comcast.net/~filebay1/Cunningham_Transmitters_Model_CM_30= _50.pdf >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > you are right. i could have sworn i saw it somewhere in the manual. i will have to dig my manual out and have a look. maybe i saw it in one of cunninghams publications. i have every book he has= written. you can go over to part 15 us in the library where i have converted all his= books to pdf. From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Oct 07 13:22:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38831 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 20:22:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 20:22:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 20:22:00 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n97KLtET001823 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:21:56 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.cd9.5cc74aba (14501) for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:21:51 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions on Cunningham Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=G5YKhwqJ-5R-ZL_Wkl4YJbYWi47QIhdm4bkQUU05zbnYa0S4RheCUqe0I2YXiD25 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/7/2009 5:04:43 AM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > 2 Watts? Why bother? You won't be able to hear it in the transmitter > parking lot! > On 850, which has dial advantage, just 80 milliwatts into a broadcast tower will put out a listenable signal for a mile or so. Not an urban contour mind you, just listenable. A couple of watt would get you out a couple of miles. Maybe. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Oct 07 14:21:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80988 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 21:21:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 21:21:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f193.google.com) (209.85.221.193) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 21:21:02 -0000 X-Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31so4641692qyk.9 for ; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:21:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.121.203 with SMTP id i11mr498080qar.199.1254950462252; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.12? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm388332qyk.15.2009.10.07.14.21.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ACD0627.9060507@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:20:39 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions on Cunningham Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=zdfZCQKXE-CXhs8lC3d7mqHWggw2YpSGZiq31gqbQcqz_sa-hBfrPfrXN4w6gQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > On 850, which has dial advantage, just 80 milliwatts into a broadcast > tower will put out a listenable signal for a mile or so. On 1560, they have WQEW pounding down on them. When I was at WJKI, now WDRF, at 250 Watts Critical Hours, WLAC would QRM the radio in the GM's office, not 50 Feet from the Transmitter! At WFIS, the noise on 1600 would QRM the station about 1/2 Mile from the transmitter at night when we were at 25 Watts. > A couple of watt would get you out a couple of miles. I would think with WQEW pounding in, you MIGHT here it along the tower fence! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Oct 07 15:38:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78802 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 22:38:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 22:38:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 22:38:48 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50549 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2009 22:38:48 -0000 Message-ID: <580757.49768.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mfP2PRoVM1mQDT.WWSnbAHshSgDPKGRdQe22THdjndO7zPQ03HfcEjAVyMr9d5ag82OsdNN66o30DpwoB9.9BpstPQbOuxtZ8PsLiQi5t4rVKAvto04s.vhd6WrKVYRx3e.Tn0RwUmDygF0qLsOXWxjEwRTeDfXZsCsotEnmmgm.4vt0iZ.Jrwt4N8tdTL.P44tnJG3eUUrLmctpFy8FfpUCqHf.S0dBMsUkEqLb2XDgVFHqo5QlvnADJNj.wWjmQ.N9pYKCHpMaKMV8wi70Kj4hEKAp8I9rt1YW5PJIOY8ssIwz8MtepGRkvZ5G1vVd2CsuJRvW_UVUV5PKFReR636RQ78j.uXZVsUIAsZf.4CupAam_YprOpjVfeWquvMtLMjmXaeEn2_TtXecWAqaqYRVuFHdCHXjAhMmaE5groA3 X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:38:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:38:48 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=7JymEl8jAPBwq6Y4otczWEPLh0SS7QE6W74PlS_dBjuI4A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good for you! =A0One more letter may be the "straw that...", yeah, you know= .I won't go off on WMUZ, I've had dealings with them in the past, tipping t= hem off to one of their "Christian" sponsor's foul language when my mother = tried to do business with them. That sponsor is still on the air...money wa= lks, BS talks!As for WJR, good idea, I WILL write them and ask why it is so= hard to flip a switch or two and go back to stereo. =A0Now that they have = seen the light and killed the "hiss/buzz", there is no good reason to be in= mono! (Unless they ebay'ed the C-QUAM exciter :>( )In a related vein, I ju= st last evening emailed TV-38 in Detroit, complaining about the huge pop-up= s that cover a fourth of the screen, telling what is on next. =A0Between th= at and putting weird sound effects in the rear channels to draw attention t= o those huge distractions, I am about to quit watching them, and start avoi= ding any product or service they advertise.Got home today, and they emailed back saying a rep is going to contact me...hope he is ready for an= EARFUL!Sometimes broadcasters DO listen to the audience, but still do noth= ing, I'm afraid.OK, now it's WJR's turn to hear from me...wish me luck!BTW,= just a few years ago, Crawford Broadcasting said they would soon have ALL = of their AM stations running C-QUAM. =A0I get it, Motorola didn't offer a k= ick-back, but maybe Ibiquity had some strokin' money left over after "lobby= ing" the FCC? Gotta wonder...73, George --- On Tue, 10/6/09, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 11:31 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 My buddy George wrote:> > I wish Crawford would come to Detroit and see how their IBOC is screwing = up CKWW!WMUZ-AM (or whatever they call it now) is on 560, CK is on 580. =C2= =A0The hiss is VERY annoying=20 George, I totally agree with you on CKWW 580 vs WMUZ/WLLZ/WTF 560 is this m= onth. I can't even get an HD lock on 560 at the Ohio/Michigan line, so HD = is a waste, but more importantly, on analog radios 560 spews hiss over the = top of CKWW - a decent music station. What disgusts me even more is 560AM = is a religious (RW zealot) station that isn't acting very Christian-like wi= th their operation of WMUZ/WLLZ, and the same for WBRT (which nearly burned= -down 1/4 of Catalina Island. They ran CQuam on both stations, and that was= nice, but IBOC is not. The ONLY good news/bad news is this: if you buy an= IBOC radio, they have a special filter in it that seriously cuts down the = IBOC spew on 2nd adjacents, and you can almost hear CKWW again. So, when I= BOC engineers say they don't hear any IBOC swill 40KHz away, it's because t= hey're listening on an IBOC radio - have'm try a 'real' analog radio and se= e how much they like it. I would love to hear CKWW on my regular CQuam car radio again, but I have t= o switch on the HD dud to be able to tune 580 without 560's destruction of = it. 910AM Detroit also ruins my CQuam reception at night of 890 WLS. In a= ddition, the 'tards at ODOT put 3 traffic transmitters on 1630, so now I lo= st my CQuam from KCJJ - damn. Now I'm left with 630, CFCO for AM Stero music in the daytime. I'm just as fried with you George, and I'm ready to write Cris Alexander a = letter about his POS IBOC on 560 Monroe/Detroit. 73's John PS: Email WJR and see why they won't put their CQuam back on at night like = sister station WLS does? =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Oct 07 15:41:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87305 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 22:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 22:41:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 22:41:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30952 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2009 22:41:11 -0000 Message-ID: <340012.29883.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: vSwxDdsVM1lLcs62u_JmbRYJVd2SqPdreAdS0AQexWQxAVn2fNupQNdvZhM9iZOFLDIulI2A.Hici_kLn9QaZuzbjgDPkZJFjvHhjSTValhikECtzbBqdwa7ZqDt0vn3f2O5S8q4Vkcw6DviS4dsOwM9ilDsW8kmBfrwyIbXW0SEKa4MKwbrCWFhJ9IQ0ERd.yjoIdQzGOurVpewQbS8p7RZUZPA2AcmT.3bhjw2Go9__2vVilFDqraHtW2R9rRYB3p1C1pbVjrAy8wpTSbEHQt2bptGkjDahi7tJrnP.e5s0.QGhZdAudnmZtiRnNv8W9lux0Fnn7DLynP5YOAhQicbbDYXQT2PzlkhiiI9eZuethhZW.MqxeIWYaZkhynmmwedD6ceqsPeKIGEWmqWNYSDvqQTtDOkS1cVTdYOeHW9zolte45VxGEFVq6BjqVHR9k- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:41:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:41:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=EVQ8Tvg1g8AseDRawngvaOMMRegJfpkhFhrYYIsVVMs3bg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, religion is still a viable smokescreen, I'm afraid. =A0Sure keeps WWCR'= s xmtrs busy, not to mention their bank full. =A0G --- On Wed, 10/7/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 1:24 AM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 Crawford Broadcasting purchased the old KXOK license in S= t. Louis which=20 operates at 5 kW fulltime directional on 630. It's a religious station. N= o,=20 not like KFUO operated by the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, but the right= =20 wing Family Research Council stuff. I thought religious broadcasting was all Crawford did. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Oct 07 15:50:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9641 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 22:50:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 22:50:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f220.google.com) (209.85.220.220) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 22:50:53 -0000 X-Received: by fxm20 with SMTP id 20so5231147fxm.14 for ; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:50:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.10.135 with SMTP id p7mr406556bkp.69.1254955852278; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-208-218.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.208.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm2695285fkx.1.2009.10.07.15.50.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:50:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: <580757.49768.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:50:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=nC-PZy4uo8fkOsN5rja7kFKjrzMdRMVXt6TQSB0diEuNEeahXI05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable am curious what christian sponsor had the fowl language? you have peaked my interest on that ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:38 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. Good for you! One more letter may be the "straw that...", yeah, you kn= ow.I won't go off on WMUZ, I've had dealings with them in the past, tipping= them off to one of their "Christian" sponsor's foul language when my mothe= r tried to do business with them. That sponsor is still on the air...money = walks, BS talks!As for WJR, good idea, I WILL write them and ask why it is = so hard to flip a switch or two and go back to stereo. Now that they have = seen the light and killed the "hiss/buzz", there is no good reason to be in= mono! (Unless they ebay'ed the C-QUAM exciter :>( )In a related vein, I ju= st last evening emailed TV-38 in Detroit, complaining about the huge pop-up= s that cover a fourth of the screen, telling what is on next. Between that= and putting weird sound effects in the rear channels to draw attention to = those huge distractions, I am about to quit watching them, and start avoidi= ng any product or service they advertise.Got home today, and they emailed back saying a rep is going to contact me...hope he is ready for a= n EARFUL!Sometimes broadcasters DO listen to the audience, but still do not= hing, I'm afraid.OK, now it's WJR's turn to hear from me...wish me luck!BTW= , just a few years ago, Crawford Broadcasting said they would soon have ALL= of their AM stations running C-QUAM. I get it, Motorola didn't offer a ki= ck-back, but maybe Ibiquity had some strokin' money left over after "lobbyi= ng" the FCC? Gotta wonder...73, George --- On Tue, 10/6/09, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 11:31 PM =20=20=20 My buddy George wrote:> > I wish Crawford would come to Detroit and see how their IBOC is screwin= g up CKWW!WMUZ-AM (or whatever they call it now) is on 560, CK is on 580. = =C2 The hiss is VERY annoying=20 George, I totally agree with you on CKWW 580 vs WMUZ/WLLZ/WTF 560 is this= month. I can't even get an HD lock on 560 at the Ohio/Michigan line, so HD= is a waste, but more importantly, on analog radios 560 spews hiss over the= top of CKWW - a decent music station. What disgusts me even more is 560AM = is a religious (RW zealot) station that isn't acting very Christian-like wi= th their operation of WMUZ/WLLZ, and the same for WBRT (which nearly burned= -down 1/4 of Catalina Island. They ran CQuam on both stations, and that was= nice, but IBOC is not. The ONLY good news/bad news is this: if you buy an = IBOC radio, they have a special filter in it that seriously cuts down the I= BOC spew on 2nd adjacents, and you can almost hear CKWW again. So, when IBO= C engineers say they don't hear any IBOC swill 40KHz away, it's because the= y're listening on an IBOC radio - have'm try a 'real' analog radio and see = how much they like it. I would love to hear CKWW on my regular CQuam car radio again, but I have= to switch on the HD dud to be able to tune 580 without 560's destruction o= f it. 910AM Detroit also ruins my CQuam reception at night of 890 WLS. In a= ddition, the 'tards at ODOT put 3 traffic transmitters on 1630, so now I lo= st my CQuam from KCJJ - damn. Now I'm left with 630, CFCO for AM Stero music in the daytime. I'm just as fried with you George, and I'm ready to write Cris Alexander = a letter about his POS IBOC on 560 Monroe/Detroit. 73's John PS: Email WJR and see why they won't put their CQuam back on at night lik= e sister station WLS does? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Oct 07 16:06:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80273 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 23:06:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 23:06:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 23:06:10 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n97N604B027536 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:06:01 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bc6.537cb453 (32913) for ; Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:05:56 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=oa03D_x0c8aV_ZHfFe1CZcJdxq0bYK0wAuDEOPKnRyXPzjdtFDyGhIgNkGcOJXjJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/7/2009 5:51:31 PM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > am curious what christian sponsor had the fowl language? > At Crawford's St. Louis outlet, they are always talking about turkeys, chickens, ducks, geese, etc.. Fowlest language I ever heard. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Oct 07 16:06:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68598 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 23:06:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 23:06:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 23:06:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7041 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Oct 2009 23:06:08 -0000 Message-ID: <703013.6793.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: xU2yoaoVM1mTDoc8ZirdvQMi9eiUmmS55vT4KvnRvYb8580G0lNTB8ZjqaXZdapIZR3o1iWGWdiz5Niy8wR7ANv8aNMju6fi0kSL99kFXiiVGYopCmq_bxpfOZ7g6XKZ.WLbvzM4XuTnohYWNfBexqK4kIKdpdUqyKIpUhXdCv5XNlO8d8c7bTv_G1IroQGD7IQamTd90IqACCmuDnUGROfQCk72eTcU9fKM1T5SHSD3cbdaz760xwkosJGTxGAnRxTj6OfEyBvOJBxZsIMgnyg.5ywxj_ghTe1b6MGip66.KVGvquy0gbsOWkgPUCmz_gFZTqHlmGN65sD8XHmEc8QQu5H44JNm9wZYDD9yXpFe5o6hDaDpJW1nD654gRQ4Cmz8eRxsc4OKD5eMstnOAmXTEzlpDsqapjxP4C.DzWCA5u5heq4UOKhVdFldlBBpXg-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:06:08 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:06:08 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=NMdKMCQ_SAHuOZ0yXZb3BfcAnYvIq4CJ5PJf-tSx36NQuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rather not leave myself open to a lawsuit for libel, slander, defamation of= character, or whatever else WMUZ's huge budget lawyers might come after me= with. =A0Suffice it to say, when I called WMUZ's advertising department (T= HAT is probably 90% of the station!), they acted quite shocked that such a = thing could possibly occur, and promised to "look into it"."Look into it", = hmm, now where have I heard THAT before?I used to listen to that station, u= ntil it became apparent that they were more concerned with the RNC's work t= han the Lord's work. =A0What we need in this market is a big pirate!G --- On Wed, 10/7/09, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 6:50 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 am curious what christian sponsor had the fowl language? you have peaked my interest on that ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:38 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. Good for you! One more letter may be the "straw that...", yeah, you know.I= won't go off on WMUZ, I've had dealings with them in the past, tipping the= m off to one of their "Christian" sponsor's foul language when my mother tr= ied to do business with them. That sponsor is still on the air...money walk= s, BS talks!As for WJR, good idea, I WILL write them and ask why it is so h= ard to flip a switch or two and go back to stereo. Now that they have seen= the light and killed the "hiss/buzz", there is no good reason to be in mon= o! (Unless they ebay'ed the C-QUAM exciter :>( )In a related vein, I just l= ast evening emailed TV-38 in Detroit, complaining about the huge pop-ups th= at cover a fourth of the screen, telling what is on next. Between that and= putting weird sound effects in the rear channels to draw attention to thos= e huge distractions, I am about to quit watching them, and start avoiding a= ny product or service they advertise.Got home today, and they emailed back saying a rep is going to contact me...hope he is ready for a= n EARFUL!Sometimes broadcasters DO listen to the audience, but still do not= hing, I'm afraid.OK, now it's WJR's turn to hear from me...wish me luck!BTW= , just a few years ago, Crawford Broadcasting said they would soon have ALL= of their AM stations running C-QUAM. I get it, Motorola didn't offer a ki= ck-back, but maybe Ibiquity had some strokin' money left over after "lobbyi= ng" the FCC? Gotta wonder...73, George --- On Tue, 10/6/09, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 11:31 PM My buddy George wrote:> > I wish Crawford would come to Detroit and see how their IBOC is screwing = up CKWW!WMUZ-AM (or whatever they call it now) is on 560, CK is on 580. =C2= The hiss is VERY annoying=20 George, I totally agree with you on CKWW 580 vs WMUZ/WLLZ/WTF 560 is this m= onth. I can't even get an HD lock on 560 at the Ohio/Michigan line, so HD i= s a waste, but more importantly, on analog radios 560 spews hiss over the t= op of CKWW - a decent music station. What disgusts me even more is 560AM is= a religious (RW zealot) station that isn't acting very Christian-like with= their operation of WMUZ/WLLZ, and the same for WBRT (which nearly burned-d= own 1/4 of Catalina Island. They ran CQuam on both stations, and that was n= ice, but IBOC is not. The ONLY good news/bad news is this: if you buy an IB= OC radio, they have a special filter in it that seriously cuts down the IBO= C spew on 2nd adjacents, and you can almost hear CKWW again. So, when IBOC = engineers say they don't hear any IBOC swill 40KHz away, it's because they'= re listening on an IBOC radio - have'm try a 'real' analog radio and see ho= w much they like it. I would love to hear CKWW on my regular CQuam car radio again, but I have t= o switch on the HD dud to be able to tune 580 without 560's destruction of = it. 910AM Detroit also ruins my CQuam reception at night of 890 WLS. In add= ition, the 'tards at ODOT put 3 traffic transmitters on 1630, so now I lost= my CQuam from KCJJ - damn. Now I'm left with 630, CFCO for AM Stero music in the daytime. I'm just as fried with you George, and I'm ready to write Cris Alexander a = letter about his POS IBOC on 560 Monroe/Detroit. 73's John PS: Email WJR and see why they won't put their CQuam back on at night like = sister station WLS does? 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From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Oct 08 10:40:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13185 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2009 17:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2009 17:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2009 17:40:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2009 17:40:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2009 17:40:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:40:13 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Wondering if Super Low Power at night opens the door to FM translators? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=EAOQYnlF06X9Vmg4h7l8xdmOOufS3TCJG56_UyKMgZoeskdntY0XaU8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I wrote: "Daytimer WTOD on 1560 recently got a CP for 2 watts at night,,," My guess is that by technically "being on the air" you can use this signal = to feed an FM translator at night, assuming 1560NYC doesn't overpower your = 2 watts. Anyone else concour?=20=20 Wonder if they could use an Alfredo Lite or APSiSYS transmitter from Greece= at night, or would it have to be FCC-approved even with SLP at nite? It w= ould be a great way to get CQuam on the air for the neighborhood. From robert.w.welch@att.net Thu Oct 08 11:33:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20970 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2009 18:33:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2009 18:33:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2009 18:33:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2009 18:33:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2009 18:33:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:33:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.185.98.155 From: "Bob W" Subject: Re: Wondering if Super Low Power at night opens the door to FM translators? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=SaIJVy2uGlyXoqjiChfjMPneAKf2n2JJWnMnv_oz1mzhVPoocaat X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I wonder if that station is planning on using what my friends in Amateur ra= dio call a tuna can... with a power that weak. Bob Welch WSTJ St Johnsbury, VT From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 08 14:23:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37886 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2009 21:23:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2009 21:23:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2009 21:23:37 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n98LN0Ac004811 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:23:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c97.4f3450b9 (65098) for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:23:10 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wondering if Super Low Power at night opens the door to FM transla... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=3iglduovQaT0BYGRPqUhCW0eYCyVAODNg2EBi6skhAnagf8h_WQJ2grN8OpJAvBX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/8/2009 12:41:05 PM Central Daylight Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Wonder if they could use an Alfredo Lite or APSiSYS transmitter from > Greece at night, or would it have to be FCC-approved even with SLP at nite? Nope. Even Part 15 transmitters have to be Type Approved or Accepted nowadays, even the 100 mW AM ones and the microwatt level FM ones. You really couldn't use the APSiSYS from Greece because of the great distance involved. You would need something alot closer in my opinion. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Oct 08 14:32:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27180 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2009 21:32:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2009 21:32:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.80) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2009 21:32:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8308 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2009 21:32:49 -0000 Message-ID: <885246.7734.qm@web112013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: eRhbI48VM1l1VYaKc05jK20eQyf2wQAzi59XcdvYawXUBJ.Er7McYbT7JKXflpW6qLt4lf.akkNBczP__Oi6fKHMZ9U98gi9dy.cFhzi3_tpH3E5UqMQng89KqnszeioQWvAQ8tOraGZSmNdWAB0Mdurm.SHJUDw_NoWYcI2fAf25NCMfdcBj9ZLk6jWne8cN76A9CuK1ql6.gMCaitVV8lgX_.xBJPHKTmwJx7uai9RtGMFWYlV9qMD6EKLB.fOrlX0JnXyMBWpJho5YRkn..gdI9h4o6XcyCyLnM2zHFZzZ_dj5el8s2IxBAe7yfBo7y6LnGBzXf7fzUtdjoeID.W8JQrs94dX.W7mmYYoQFPSLFFg X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:32:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/157.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 References: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:32:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wondering if Super Low Power at night opens the door to FM transla... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=wNDP4rF5UCmE12QXkxuxgfV7HJOy72k2DwrZ7KucUMc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I thought=A0under 250 watts did NOT have be type accepted but had to meet A= LL specs.=20 Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: "mjgrant@aol.com" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 5:23:10 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wondering if Super Low Power at night opens the door to= FM transla... In a message dated 10/8/2009 12:41:05 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Wonder if they could use an Alfredo Lite or APSiSYS transmitter from=20 > Greece at night, or would it have to be FCC-approved even with SLP at nit= e?=20 Nope.=A0 Even Part 15 transmitters have to be Type Approved or Accepted=20 nowadays, even the 100 mW AM ones and the microwatt level FM ones. You really couldn't use the APSiSYS from Greece because of the great=20 distance involved.=A0 You would need something alot closer in my opinion. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 08 14:40:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53723 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2009 21:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2009 21:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2009 21:40:52 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n98Lekwc007418 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:40:46 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c2b.3fb16712 (65098) for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:40:55 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=-qnZnEBtkbDiKntDaHj0rdAW17lJm4MFZco7WmX8fwovB1iHHs_EuKWaZibMXi4O X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will up my donation to $50 to a fund to buy it and send it to our friend Juan in Chile if anyone is interested. Of course, he would have to send us the MP3s when he gets it on the air. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 08 14:57:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26514 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2009 21:57:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2009 21:57:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2009 21:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n98LvAjd022145 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:57:10 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d06.611429c2 (65098) for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:57:19 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=PsO7_5JWWl6noZ5h6FzdPLEVvwqW2NyU-8RZQz6f62T7N_aaVHO9CB5akQ2ERkTs X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/7/2009 6:06:31 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Rather not leave myself open to a lawsuit for libel, slander, defamation > of character, or whatever else WMUZ's huge budget lawyers might come after > me with. One of the greatest civil litigators of all time, Melvin Belli, once quipped that a defendant's poverty is, by far, a better defense against getting sued than team of the best attorneys available. As a side note, Mr. Belli once appeared in Star Trek episode. I find that comforting. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 08 15:26:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54828 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2009 22:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2009 22:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2009 22:26:11 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n98MQ5BE017680 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:26:06 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d50.5a22536c (14457) for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:22:04 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wondering if Super Low Power at night opens the door to FM transla... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=QCMQdK553Btsvo9G_HRNvcVFvu1ze2OB9rZYsHJP8S9EsW25E00unyLtfqLaB59y X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At one time Part 15 equipment didn't need any kind of license or approval. Now every device has to be FCC Type Approved or Accepted to my understanding. Even unintented radiators like computers have to be certified. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Oct 08 16:06:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75426 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2009 23:06:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2009 23:06:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.78) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2009 23:06:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4637 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Oct 2009 23:06:17 -0000 Message-ID: <722127.3955.qm@web112011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: I.rhSrUVM1mj1vgUxkwhZVCQA7eSwOq.PLXy9OSjFqQ6Wu8mV.AdAqN_CpZJmcbJD9969q0u7mL5h1BK5KwxKj0DMfTDT2hw34z2_AB9NzySCIaLHoQuK2kpDJTnHpy9l8nNwStONxpebp3KUthvjBvyqxS.xu.MVf6NsXhizTbnUttQeb_QN_WrhRyVMoqaCF6xyGRMqP7Rqjvy26LOtYRgzfkCNNa3DxSVo8mbDcdCu45fUriL_MIM0aGyBy40x4BbhDb7v6ryMvpvn4MnfB7pqxWTLuHy5NNxv7aqxAFBIvn_jOIPs5skjY6MKAeUSFaxUNnIe9xwm3NJTGjXOC_5n48Eg16y7uqZLKq2uugzLUTG X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:06:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/157.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 References: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:06:17 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.78 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wondering if Super Low Power at night opens the door to FM transla... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=G656eT2Rg3rQLcVJzD08yvKRW4UGq1rP2xZ-FKOT0WA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I wasn't referring to part 15, but for use as flea power on broadcast. They= didn't have to be type accepted but had to meet ALL broadcast standards fo= r purity of emissions, etc.=20 Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: "mjgrant@aol.com" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 6:22:04 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Wondering if Super Low Power at night opens the door to= FM transla... At one time Part 15 equipment didn't need any kind of license or approval.= =A0=20 Now every device has to be FCC Type Approved or Accepted to my=20 understanding.=A0 Even unintented radiators like computers have to be certi= fied. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 08 17:54:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71820 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 00:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 00:53:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 00:53:56 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.137] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091008195340103111000010.0) with SMTP id <20091008195340103111000010> for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:53:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e301ca487b$ca2cee80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:53:40 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions on Cunningham Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=p1SB2-Xx5oQoV1jU-7B9UCuTO618anIR5oyEYP3tB1wwg7pKFD5G X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He wasn't really old- early 70's or even late 60s, IIRC. Even though his stuff was designed with low power missionary radio stations for regions such as South America and Africa in mind, AFAIK his stuff was approved to be used in the US for low power night operation. I've never heard of a station being fined for using his equipment. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions on Cunningham Transmitters In a message dated 10/6/2009 8:12:44 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Late 80s, IIRC. The wife and I took a trip through the southern US > shortly after we were married, which was about this same time and we made it a > point to stop and see him. I had bought from and donated equipment to him > over the years, so we had a bit of a friendship. He died a few years ago. > I am sorry to hear of his passing. Was he an older gentleman? That FCC stuff will catch up with him. I am badly lapsed, but when I was amongst the Faithful, I believe not getting FCC Type Approval was good for a couple centuries in Purgatory. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 08 17:56:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82931 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 00:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 00:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 00:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.137] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091008195620100193900010.0) with SMTP id <20091008195620100193900010> for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:56:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00eb01ca487c$293eb340$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:56:20 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=E7_ds8elQArDS6AG_OAtFJRBzAySkMn2h9v1xXpCBRpwbnJet1FF X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like that would go over well in the rural deep south. Besides, the best liberal programs aren't even on AA; they're all through Dial Global (the old Jones Radio Net.) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Gosh, I wish had an extra $60K laying around. I could use it as a technical beta site while George and Hank remote program it live in AM Stereo when it was not carrying Air America and Randi Rhodes. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 08 17:58:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72083 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 00:58:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 00:58:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 00:58:04 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.137] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091008195756100437500010.0) with SMTP id <20091008195756100437500010> for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:57:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00f601ca487c$629a3ba0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:57:56 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ZsEmEzgXpqJzU8f1Yij_jdpoCO15UKEgmLAht4M7ODNpxvoVYIqP X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not by a long shot. They've got sports stations, news/talk, standards, and even some urban formatted stations in Chicago. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:24 AM I thought religious broadcasting was all Crawford did. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 08 18:01:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80402 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 01:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 01:01:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 01:01:01 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.137] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091008200036101104300011.0) with SMTP id <20091008200036101104300011> for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:00:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <011101ca487c$c2a02460$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:00:36 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=MPneEzHN4xZamqmW9ANKThiymseMsqtIjiNADYG48tcoc2SAqxQ0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DRAT!!! If it weren't for the fact I've got to get new tires for my car I'd jump on this in a heartbeat. IIRC this is the old KCBQ exciter? I've got their old mod monitor and it would be great to reunite the two. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:19 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter I need $$$. Anyone want to grab this from me at $250.00 + shipping? i am willing to ship this any where the buyer is willing to pay for and insurance is mandatory. again pics are in pictures directory under kc8gpd. i accept paypal although i will give a discount to those paying via USPS Money Order or cash with local pickup. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 08 18:01:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53599 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 01:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 01:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 01:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.137] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091008200115100908900010.0) with SMTP id <20091008200115100908900010> for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:01:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <011e01ca487c$d9373920$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:01:15 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1HkB2YdCkGgnbD1vwk0bJRv2cLzn3ZfMM33mSSTnZKojQ7VX-FnD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I might be able to spare $20 myself. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter I will up my donation to $50 to a fund to buy it and send it to our friend Juan in Chile if anyone is interested. Of course, he would have to send us the MP3s when he gets it on the air. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Oct 08 18:05:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71557 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 01:05:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 01:05:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ey-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.78.144) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 01:05:19 -0000 X-Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 13so1228298eye.52 for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:05:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.211.160.4 with SMTP id m4mr2440734ebo.24.1255050318240; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-208-218.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.208.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm980955eyx.1.2009.10.08.18.05.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:04:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.78.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: this is why I want to start up my own station darn itFw: KGMS contact: hank smith X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=CTOfvp5x-jaSf-pn5YtNefkUj0p1WL0bkYRFRiVG1KmVfqOlCMln whats worse this suposive christain outlet has a local tucson program called tucson radio revival its bs like this that makes me want to a. start up my own station or b. friggen pirate I wanted to put a show I am going to be doing locally and this is the response I get makes me totally sick. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Martin" To: Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:38 AM Subject: RE: KGMS contact: hank smith Hank, Thanks for the inquiry. All of our programming comes from KLOVE. We aren't allowed to insert local programs. Keep listening! Blessings! Doug Martin President/GM Good News Radio Broadcasting KVOI/KGMS/KCEE/KLTU/KNXN/KJAA/KAPR 520-790-2440 ext. 122 3222 S. Richey Tucson, Az. 85713 -----Original Message----- From: Marji Parker Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:11 AM To: Doug Martin Subject: FW: KGMS contact: hank smith Doug, see request below. Thanks, elsa -----Original Message----- From: hanksmith5@gmail.com [mailto:hanksmith5@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:04 AM To: Marji Parker Subject: KGMS contact: hank smith Listener: hank smith 1515 n. camilla blvd tucson az 85716 15203440580 hanksmith5@gmail.com Interests: Public Relations .:. Live Remote Broadcast hello I am wanting to do a christian rock show on your station it would between 2 to 3 hours long. called the powersurge radio show. is this possible to air on your station? keep up the good work. blessings. Hank IP of Sender: 65.103.208.218 From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Oct 08 18:12:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87013 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 01:12:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 01:12:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 01:12:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2009 01:12:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2009 01:12:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:12:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <011101ca487c$c2a02460$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=NlgfvLWgSC599ypiw7sxUj-1el5TyIN0HqUSrlgqkNZZ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I got it from Kevin Tekel over in somerset county nj. i don't know who had = it before him. From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Oct 08 18:16:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75325 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 01:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 01:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f205.google.com) (209.85.219.205) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 01:16:14 -0000 X-Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so6453361ewy.10 for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:16:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.216.86.72 with SMTP id v50mr624040wee.184.1255050973074; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-208-218.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.208.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p37sm669353gvf.9.2009.10.08.18.16.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:15:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: forgot to mention in my last email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Waqt_RVbXSYlk7tvCO4EO32cli_lj8j-Tby3OT3lEIXFA8N7HPEg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kgms airs a local program from tucson at 3 pm. caught them in a lie, not only that the other christian outfits are those sattleators in tucson grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ideas folks? its about time tucson got something half way friggen decent. so much for trying to do things the "lajit way" this is what I get a slap in the face, and lied to? I know for a fact there getting local programming I I was listening to one last week. do I have a write to be angry? Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Oct 08 18:21:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88103 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 01:21:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 01:21:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f208.google.com) (209.85.219.208) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 01:21:19 -0000 X-Received: by ewy4 with SMTP id 4so233759ewy.13 for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:21:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.216.89.141 with SMTP id c13mr618883wef.66.1255051277712; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-208-218.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.208.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f13sm1147070gvd.21.2009.10.08.18.21.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: Cc: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:20:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.208 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: well this the response I got Fw: KGMS contact: hank smith X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=NjLslYqaGpd2QwoCed-OWlfF0gx7yhtoOsZ83A_3uNmEknk52NWE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Martin" To: "hank smith" Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:55 PM Subject: RE: KGMS contact: hank smith Hank, I am sorry; I thought you were talking about KLOVE. I am not sure that what you are talking about would fit on KGMS. KGMS is teaching and talk, you are talking about a music show. Also, it is $125 per hour for the broadcast time. Let me know your thoughts. Doug Martin President/GM Good News Radio Broadcasting KVOI/KGMS/KCEE/KLTU/KNXN/KJAA/KAPR 520-790-2440 ext. 122 3222 S. Richey Tucson, Az. 85713 -----Original Message----- From: hank smith [mailto:hanksmith5@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:47 PM To: Doug Martin Subject: Re: KGMS contact: hank smith Hello even the tucson revival radio show at 3 pm comes from klove? thanks for the response ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Martin" To: Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:38 AM Subject: RE: KGMS contact: hank smith Hank, Thanks for the inquiry. All of our programming comes from KLOVE. We aren't allowed to insert local programs. Keep listening! Blessings! Doug Martin President/GM Good News Radio Broadcasting KVOI/KGMS/KCEE/KLTU/KNXN/KJAA/KAPR 520-790-2440 ext. 122 3222 S. Richey Tucson, Az. 85713 -----Original Message----- From: Marji Parker Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:11 AM To: Doug Martin Subject: FW: KGMS contact: hank smith Doug, see request below. Thanks, elsa -----Original Message----- From: hanksmith5@gmail.com [mailto:hanksmith5@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:04 AM To: Marji Parker Subject: KGMS contact: hank smith Listener: hank smith 1515 n. camilla blvd tucson az 85716 15203440580 hanksmith5@gmail.com Interests: Public Relations .:. Live Remote Broadcast hello I am wanting to do a christian rock show on your station it would between 2 to 3 hours long. called the powersurge radio show. is this possible to air on your station? keep up the good work. blessings. Hank IP of Sender: 65.103.208.218 From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Oct 08 18:26:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4798 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 01:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 01:26:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f211.google.com) (209.85.219.211) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 01:26:32 -0000 X-Received: by ewy7 with SMTP id 7so6817405ewy.41 for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:26:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.216.89.206 with SMTP id c56mr616856wef.123.1255051591860; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-208-218.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.208.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11sm1155791gve.20.2009.10.08.18.26.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <266BFAD1B98D4BC182939530A88EC1B4@experien3f2fc9> To: References: <00e301ca487b$ca2cee80$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:26:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions on Cunningham Transmitters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=6dN-BDjBCRoukxqbQ8xScfnPzKVxqvwGMtoIGErr7PxScVt6hW89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit now thats a man who served the lord ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions on Cunningham Transmitters He wasn't really old- early 70's or even late 60s, IIRC. Even though his stuff was designed with low power missionary radio stations for regions such as South America and Africa in mind, AFAIK his stuff was approved to be used in the US for low power night operation. I've never heard of a station being fined for using his equipment. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Questions on Cunningham Transmitters In a message dated 10/6/2009 8:12:44 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Late 80s, IIRC. The wife and I took a trip through the southern US > shortly after we were married, which was about this same time and we made it a > point to stop and see him. I had bought from and donated equipment to him > over the years, so we had a bit of a friendship. He died a few years ago. > I am sorry to hear of his passing. Was he an older gentleman? That FCC stuff will catch up with him. I am badly lapsed, but when I was amongst the Faithful, I believe not getting FCC Type Approval was good for a couple centuries in Purgatory. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 08 18:31:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71900 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 01:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 01:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 01:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.137] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091008203111101823500010.0) with SMTP id <20091008203111101823500010> for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:31:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018001ca4881$07b71320$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:31:11 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} forgot to mention in my last email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=8EFpxk6KKSrgXrGD0IZ085Dj-j4Pqe6hQ8sHUeIC99pFo9wIUs3J X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm wondering if the station is owned or merely on an LMA with EMF broadcasting? Especially if it's the latter it might be they're fulfilling an existing contract but once it's up it will not be renewed but replaced entirely with K-Love programming. So it's not necessarily a lie. What they haven't already previously sold is under contract with EMF. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:16 PM Subject: {AMSF} forgot to mention in my last email kgms airs a local program from tucson at 3 pm. caught them in a lie, not only that the other christian outfits are those sattleators in tucson grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ideas folks? its about time tucson got something half way friggen decent. so much for trying to do things the "lajit way" this is what I get a slap in the face, and lied to? I know for a fact there getting local programming I I was listening to one last week. do I have a write to be angry? Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Oct 08 18:33:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23000 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 01:33:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 01:33:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 01:33:51 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.137] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091008203327102203300010.0) with SMTP id <20091008203327102203300010> for ; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:33:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018a01ca4881$589dd440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:33:27 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=-SvkjlCOMIQE24TNqrYC5QSjUNQJy--7eJlSJMS-KdYisUxefBt8 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IIRC he said he thought he might have gotten the KCBQ exciter. If it's on 1170 and it's a gold-faced BE, there's a very good chance it is their old unit. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter I got it from Kevin Tekel over in somerset county nj. i don't know who had it before him. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Oct 08 21:44:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43488 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 04:44:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 04:44:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 04:44:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56265 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2009 04:44:19 -0000 Message-ID: <140010.56131.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wd34wL4VM1k6UCRj6vj4BWBsWyXi4xDEIlEumlKHsWHrJAWMrkntEGF8WdH9x1fBxi5UtOLAgI_j.fdLajUAdYgtBXs5ncHTCa8iGRiy9c.32B4beuKN7PtSKsik1DRe7glYQ_Wn16S1DG.rL7Tx7c2Uhkq.IgVNB.tr.kccZ85cYn0biy8eNZvjfPlvt31oINPMG4DImMbZQgaFR6s3jfYevebu3y3V6KwpstchbFjiM0b81LD6Dob0Dl596vEl4TrfdSDSW6KOgQWQakwD2gyvSdM.vtjOQNWybEZS3Q1OCbdcv1_SvFp7ZospMLmKyfLRbJlq26IlW0QJKrdOL8TfcQ.MEYC.mwABMyK_FbaO7gBydxme16J0bJ4Qf7a5iFw6RA4foy4Pu15qubV0KkEus8FKdXMwgQghd1tRJdrf9PZJPJe44w-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:44:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:44:18 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Omwv9VlDI5yRwFSFqYujw_2iGyAomPxHOqBma0FvuMOEqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Going on THAT, I could get away with murder! =A0 --- On Thu, 10/8/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} IBOC interference SE Michigan. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 5:57 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 In a message dated 10/7/2009 6:06:31 PM Central Daylight = Time,=20 wlx1430@yahoo. com writes: > Rather not leave myself open to a lawsuit for libel, slander, defamation= =20 > of character, or whatever else WMUZ's huge budget lawyers might come afte= r=20 > me with.=20 One of the greatest civil litigators of all time, Melvin Belli, once=20 quipped that a defendant's poverty is, by far, a better defense against get= ting=20 sued than team of the best attorneys available. As a side note, Mr. Belli once appeared in Star Trek episode. I find that comforting. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 08 23:37:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96165 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 06:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 06:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 06:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n996atkY003520 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:36:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.cd8.57e0a40c (30737) for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:36:53 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM station, $60,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qE361jBKtuhnUElwnRzNY3JzRhPFiPxhzhk8adkyGswMS-3HogbOfIc5kRw_MSo5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/8/2009 7:56:58 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Like that would go over well in the rural deep south. That's my concept. No competition. You need to think outside the box. You're thinking Eastern Mississippi. What if the station reaches into that bastion of liberalism, rural Western Alabama? Like bread on the window still. There for the taking. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 08 23:47:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78400 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 06:47:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 06:47:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 06:47:00 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n996ktE8031144 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:46:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d41.4e4e8534 (30737) for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 02:46:51 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} well this the response I got Fw: KGMS contact: hank smith X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ZxD97h3yBKNabdOitN1Gd0OMagEQ3pN0T2YOApc60R_bAMCy8yzMlIb8U8LTM2Lq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How much coverage are they giving you for $125 an hour? Does this include a board operator? Do you have to provide your own music clearance? Are these non-coms or commercial stations? Do you sell your own spots? By way of comparision, a 30-second spot between 12 to 6 AM on a 5kW mid-market station in the Midwest cost about the same amount in 1960 dollars. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Oct 09 00:03:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31982 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 07:03:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 07:03:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.146) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 07:03:32 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1981644qwk.20 for ; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:03:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.64.224 with SMTP id f32mr2157463qai.315.1255071811527; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-211-203.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.211.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm541198qwd.27.2009.10.09.00.03.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4925E7BBF5D549F8B8A20FFC5EA73F53@experien3f2fc9> To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 00:02:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} well this the response I got Fw: KGMS contact: hank smith X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=NN3mo4QJMg186KGTJstbktlukqpvLaXviHftt9Ejj0_S7jgBxeHg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello from what I under stand its 125.00 a hour for everything ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} well this the response I got Fw: KGMS contact: hank smith How much coverage are they giving you for $125 an hour? Does this include a board operator? Do you have to provide your own music clearance? Are these non-coms or commercial stations? Do you sell your own spots? By way of comparision, a 30-second spot between 12 to 6 AM on a 5kW mid-market station in the Midwest cost about the same amount in 1960 dollars. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Oct 09 00:10:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53816 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 07:10:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 07:10:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.149) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 07:10:27 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so2344678qwc.44 for ; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:10:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.31.78 with SMTP id x14mr2178889qac.196.1255072226756; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-211-203.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.211.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm597506qwj.34.2009.10.09.00.10.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0F0D8780DAB840A88EE59420E73B8A69@experien3f2fc9> To: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 00:09:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: am sorry for including names of stations in my postings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=DpsWSHU7EwvRz7G8EgW9sNvRxofEy6bDAJa4c5ZUJJkGKXdLeI4n Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello I am sorry for encluding names of stations inmy posting Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 09 00:59:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15576 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 07:59:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 07:59:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 07:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n997x5BW028971 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 03:59:05 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.ce4.5eef6383 (30738) for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 03:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 03:59:01 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} well this the response I got Fw: KGMS contact: hank smith X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vRmi_fYot089DYWUvwEdpBCm_oF1CswS2g0QaJWN4UVVPxNzxgxQNPs1b34tvZ9g X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/9/2009 2:03:45 AM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > from what I under stand its 125.00 a hour for everything > I hope they're not selling you their 3 watts nightime power on 690 with a short tower for $125.00 an hour. Do you have an aircheck? If you would like for me to try to pitch it to our local cluster, I'd be happy to do so. I've got too much self-respect to sell spots, but they might be interested. You don't have to come to El Dorado, AR. My former next door neighbor continued to do his morning show from NOLA. What's it take to get on the university's 50,000 W blowtorch on 1550 in Tucson? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Oct 09 01:56:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78816 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 08:56:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 08:56:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.24) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 08:56:14 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so398160qwd.59 for ; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:56:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.123.103 with SMTP id o39mr2279229qar.93.1255078573545; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.207.136? ([4.152.207.136]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm410042qyk.12.2009.10.09.01.56.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ACEFA8C.3000102@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:55:40 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4925E7BBF5D549F8B8A20FFC5EA73F53@experien3f2fc9> In-Reply-To: <4925E7BBF5D549F8B8A20FFC5EA73F53@experien3f2fc9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} well this the response I got Fw: KGMS contact: hank smith X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=fYuLQynLA8we4_KEZIww8i6-fXA7oMqLf_qfsbqpYuKlWUPbjOQPRKPhX2k7FQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > hello > from what I under stand its 125.00 a hour for everything > Gee, for $240 an Hour you can be on WWRB Short-Wave and be heard World-Wide. WBCQ Shortwave in Maine will get you most of North America for half of that. If your program is Catholic based, Send me a sample program on CD, and let me run it by my PD. If we take it, you will get on a 1KW Daytimer In Greer (Greenville SC Market) and a 5KW Daytimer in Saint George (Charleston, SC Market) for FREE! When we are done building out our CP for a Class C III FM, you will also be on FM in the Augusta, GA Market. We are Non-Profit, so NO Commercials are allowed, but you CAN get sponsorships, and it is FREE. All we ask for is XX:55:45 to XX:00:00 be ours for local breaks. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Oct 09 06:53:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73507 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 13:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 13:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 13:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2009 13:52:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2009 13:52:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:52:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <018a01ca4881$589dd440$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=rAlIKOO9I_dANqfxwfw3c8W5zEQSFbzmb928FAI8SO-j X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd yes it is gold faced and I believe it is on 1170 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > IIRC he said he thought he might have gotten the KCBQ exciter. If it's o= n 1170 and it's a gold-faced BE, there's a very good chance it is their old= unit. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kc8gpd=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:12 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > I got it from Kevin Tekel over in somerset county nj. i don't know who = had it before him. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Oct 09 10:53:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81796 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 17:53:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 17:53:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 17:53:04 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2009 17:52:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2009 17:52:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:52:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=5sljzgH-rRwWdz4jSKSVAF0gOfT5ugfZCmSjN55aLjZi X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I confirmed that it is on 1170, it is gold faced and has a sticker from "Mi= d America Electronics" New Albany NY attached to it. From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Oct 09 12:07:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74455 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 19:07:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 19:07:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f206.google.com) (209.85.218.206) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 19:07:10 -0000 X-Received: by bwz2 with SMTP id 2so5565325bwz.47 for ; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:07:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.34.70 with SMTP id k6mr2450449bkd.178.1255115229145; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-211-203.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.211.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm2289282fks.9.2009.10.09.12.07.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16C739D7BF0C476B89FF2AE1E94B1225@experien3f2fc9> To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:07:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.218.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} well this the response I got Fw: KGMS contact: hank smith X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=WomaQ5EJhpqXJ03XktHPnl_UxH2jXiCdBiuUmget8jXXIeGAePUy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit its a day time operation npr station they sign off at sun set had no idea they were using that much power though how long do you want the air check to be? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 12:59 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} well this the response I got Fw: KGMS contact: hank smith In a message dated 10/9/2009 2:03:45 AM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > from what I under stand its 125.00 a hour for everything > I hope they're not selling you their 3 watts nightime power on 690 with a short tower for $125.00 an hour. Do you have an aircheck? If you would like for me to try to pitch it to our local cluster, I'd be happy to do so. I've got too much self-respect to sell spots, but they might be interested. You don't have to come to El Dorado, AR. My former next door neighbor continued to do his morning show from NOLA. What's it take to get on the university's 50,000 W blowtorch on 1550 in Tucson? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Oct 09 15:37:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30460 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2009 22:36:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2009 22:36:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2009 22:36:59 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n99Mao0u003416 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:36:51 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c18.65013019 (65100) for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:36:48 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} well this the response I got Fw: KGMS contact: hank smith X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qRqADbWvccru6xFJQ_J7pPdFuRbyO9wQL7d-pB-IEJ54MOL2kTx-AB5TJx9-mvkY X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/9/2009 2:07:36 PM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > its a day time operation npr station they sign off at sun set > had no idea they were using that much power though KUAZ puts 50KW into a single tower just a smidge under 5/8 wave, which is the tallest and most powerful AM tower short of a Franklin. That'll get you out there even on 1550. The station is owned by the University of Arizona. Could you sign up for a Communications class or internship and get behing the mic? Airchecks are about 20 minutes in length. If you are doing music, you only do the intro and come-out. It should be a mix of station IDs, commerical spots, news, weather, PSAs, ad libs, etc.. In my day, airchecks fit on a 5 in. reel of Scotch 111 at 7.5 ips. I assume they use MP3 on CD-Roms nowadays. Mike > how long do you want the air check to be? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Oct 09 21:26:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13226 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2009 04:26:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2009 04:26:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f201.google.com) (209.85.221.201) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2009 04:26:54 -0000 X-Received: by qyk39 with SMTP id 39so6756480qyk.31 for ; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:26:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.103.75 with SMTP id j11mr3366204qao.46.1255148812403; Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien3f2fc9 (65-103-211-203.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.211.203]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm325464qwa.59.2009.10.09.21.26.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:26:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} well this the response I got Fw: KGMS contact: hank smith X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=XJ4Ca7RL93xxC2Sw9ni92LSD0rHm-7c0qPQqrJX9HmMcBJ3_ZObD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit will keep this all in mind ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} well this the response I got Fw: KGMS contact: hank smith In a message dated 10/9/2009 2:07:36 PM Central Daylight Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > its a day time operation npr station they sign off at sun set > had no idea they were using that much power though KUAZ puts 50KW into a single tower just a smidge under 5/8 wave, which is the tallest and most powerful AM tower short of a Franklin. That'll get you out there even on 1550. The station is owned by the University of Arizona. Could you sign up for a Communications class or internship and get behing the mic? Airchecks are about 20 minutes in length. If you are doing music, you only do the intro and come-out. It should be a mix of station IDs, commerical spots, news, weather, PSAs, ad libs, etc.. In my day, airchecks fit on a 5 in. reel of Scotch 111 at 7.5 ips. I assume they use MP3 on CD-Roms nowadays. Mike > how long do you want the air check to be? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Sun Oct 11 05:55:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 778 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2009 12:55:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2009 12:55:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2009 12:55:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2009 12:52:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Oct 2009 12:52:17 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:52:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=brHzAtvNRzRmcip_5s6dISRgUtWXclkgUjmDn2t1D4i7 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd is there anything special behind the gold face? all the others i have seen are Black and White. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Oct 11 09:52:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36573 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2009 16:52:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Oct 2009 16:52:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 2009 16:52:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.139] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091011115151102871500010.0) with SMTP id <20091011115151102871500010> for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:51:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006101ca4a93$fee5c740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:51:51 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=i9IGT5GR9GYlQ6ZpzCtWrftPKdh63TIHQqrda6vVbifOUFWfuba_ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AFAIK it was just a cosmetic change. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter is there anything special behind the gold face? all the others i have seen are Black and White. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Oct 12 09:13:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12021 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2009 16:13:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2009 16:13:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2009 16:13:16 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail01.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.141]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFPGXG2AA2VAUJ for (sender ); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:10:00 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD3IB9FJ5pzXUQ3v98+Gk2wM= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail01.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PUPE8GRZ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:09:03 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.245.48] by webmail01.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:08:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:08:50 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091012.090850.26985.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 431 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:584510731 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.141|webmail01.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: WTSV - 1230 - Out of parts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=QP1sRYQsVLtDW8fJiVhIp1HLzvYR8GMmbot5tEO5Jg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn It=92s silent, because they can't find transmitter parts for WTSV, Claremon= t, NH (1230). Nassau Broadcasting asks the FCC for permission to remain sil= ent "until new equipment can be identified and obtained", following a "cata= strophic failure within the power supply section" of the transmitter. It sa= ys the transmitter "is no longer supported by the manufacturer and Nassau h= as exhausted its own supply of spare parts." From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Oct 12 10:22:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41843 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2009 17:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2009 17:22:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f172.google.com) (209.85.221.172) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2009 17:22:28 -0000 X-Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so8151594qyk.21 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:22:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.69.231 with SMTP id a39mr4946985qaj.272.1255368144947; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.156? (dialup-4.152.204.156.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.156]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm842867qwb.32.2009.10.12.10.22.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD365C1.9040909@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:22:09 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20091012.090850.26985.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20091012.090850.26985.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTSV - 1230 - Out of parts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=FzWm13McHub1ocQn_o_WQn9psrECxwdoD5fiztfkViaug27u7u2e72sWsgFuVw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > It’s silent, because they can't find transmitter parts for WTSV, Claremont, NH (1230). What kind of transmitter is it, and what do they need? Perhaps between us all, we have enough junk laying around to return them to the air. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w6yn@juno.com Mon Oct 12 14:29:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89651 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2009 21:29:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Oct 2009 21:29:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2009 21:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout03.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFPHH7EAJGZV8J for (sender ); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:29:08 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxsMSUYfHeCbyQQShdCTlLw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PUPZHJEC; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:28:34 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.245.48] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:28:27 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:28:27 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091012.142827.11772.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 729 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:3891817213 X-MAIL-INFO:141c89fc8d8d388dcd29691de1bdf9b8483ccd3da87de549e1b9ad5ccd5cedf5b9a818dcd108887ca8dc38a9c861c188c1e5dd71b5 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTSV - 1230 - Out of parts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=JwBsOvS1sOPxDzOBZ8MWpGuccWkAijX-lHJHoRO_PQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn You could try to ask the folks there: Station Address: P. O. BOX 1230 Claremont,, NH 03743 Please Note: This address comes from the FCC's database and may not be up= to date.=20 Phone: 603-542-7735 Fax: 603-542-8721=20 Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTSV - 1230 - Out of parts Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:22:09 -0400 W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > It=92s silent, because they can't find transmitter parts for WTSV, Clarem= ont, NH (1230). What kind of transmitter is it, and what do they need? Perhaps between=20 us all, we have enough junk laying around to return them to the air. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ From w6yn@juno.com Mon Oct 12 17:38:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36440 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2009 00:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2009 00:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2009 00:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFPHU93ADCS8TA for (sender ); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:38:17 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD1RoblRbCPkCZuSIv8OGbD4= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PUQCCSUW; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:38:13 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.245.48] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:37:15 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:37:15 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091012.173715.95.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 764 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:3465114181 X-MAIL-INFO:46c19599b9b90db980848d55e4c565c9006480ad71d1ddfde4e0bd15801501f0e071690c75d511c0710c0d044081a911a9dd614530 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTSV - 1230 - Out of parts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=C9hicjZ-iOTdGi-mEeiOZqD9Php_1NpaUEepP5gFjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Couldn't be much - It is only 1kW. You could try to ask the folks there: Station Address: P. O. BOX 1230 Claremont,, NH 03743 Please Note: This address comes from the FCC's database and may not be up= to date.=20 Phone: 603-542-7735 Fax: 603-542-8721=20 Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTSV - 1230 - Out of parts Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:22:09 -0400 W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > It=92s silent, because they can't find transmitter parts for WTSV, Clarem= ont, NH (1230). What kind of transmitter is it, and what do they need? Perhaps between=20 us all, we have enough junk laying around to return them to the air. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Oct 12 18:28:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56229 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2009 01:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2009 01:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2009 01:28:42 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9D1SPfV024341 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:28:26 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.cd9.5d3248da (14457) for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:24:18 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTSV - 1230 - Out of parts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=1b4BoS_y2rQ6fO_st2O017JCxMIk85rznZ7ngIsTF93ahwoiftB5fyE0Plm9KLKV X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/12/2009 12:23:04 PM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > What kind of transmitter is it, and what do they need? Perhaps between > us all, we have enough junk laying around to return them to the air. > That's what I say. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Oct 12 21:20:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69689 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2009 04:20:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2009 04:20:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.150) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2009 04:20:34 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so4773206qwk.28 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:20:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.58.159 with SMTP id g31mr5362566qah.174.1255407633910; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.70? (dialup-4.152.204.70.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm1960331qyk.10.2009.10.12.21.20.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD40000.8030207@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:20:16 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20091012.173715.95.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20091012.173715.95.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTSV - 1230 - Out of parts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=fZWjVwb0mkABIzD1vrQoHKe4oaR2YB5Iomhrg_PaCqOzDGDt-C0A91X08zr-Rg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Couldn't be much - It is only 1kW. I looked at the STA. They have been off of the air since June. I do not know of a single 1KW tranmitter that has been made I can't get the parts to fix in this time, or have SOMETHING on the air. Once, I even put a station back on the air with my Kenwood TS-430 HAM radio! I am wondering if this is just an excuse to turn the thing off for a while. I mean gee, can't ANYBODY get a 1 KW transmitter within a Week? -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 13 06:51:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44245 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2009 13:51:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2009 13:51:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2009 13:51:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51367 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2009 13:51:42 -0000 Message-ID: <537334.51359.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: sRIa9QIVM1ndhosVq.WmoCik8Qo7Qwg0ofN74kzZxc7xnsvJvHVWbloIocNwGkxm9PDpEendUwHuzGAp1KiCZrXongclW3ofyq6aTPNSlk9oTuDqhB2aOy60UC5i0vDxz6sRicZe14kzXmEnVDl3w1iUeB32PnCKU.BrUvux_TgqmimGRw0iG13MV7Zb8.w2kylRQnJlm4w4wtW4lI7GklJDlYiMxW6nlIi2cOyv2epkPZu04dG3rjsHoGjepB1uMDGTcHRojy3bqIcnIT7M20kZFG6x5zWGXlETO_31sB4LlQTPeIbhtNMoh.tCBj8hd1raxT8yM_agi7I4BA-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:51:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:51:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=azwxtAYOcTVTFrswSaNpqZT6n6InhaZk8SXQsLQo6RGPRMP7cJaurGo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio St. Louis Bonneville Station Dethrones CBS' KMOX Oct 9, 2009 -By Katy Bachman=20 With a little help from the portable people meter, WARH-FM, Bonneville=E2= =80=99s Classic Hits station in St. Louis has ended the 40-year ratings dom= inance of KMOX-AM, the heritage News/Talk station owned by CBS Radio. WARH, known as =E2=80=9CThe Arch,=E2=80=9D had a 8.8 average quarter-hour r= ating share, an ample lead over KMOX=E2=80=99s 7.1, according to Arbitron= =E2=80=99s September portable people meter ratings report. The station=E2= =80=99s cumulative audience reached nearly 1 million listeners a week, abou= t 40 percent of the total radio audience. =E2=80=9CWe are honored to be the station to have broken KMOX=E2=80=99s lon= g-running and esteemed record as the number one radio station,=E2=80=9D sai= d Kevin Robinson, program director of WARH. =E2=80=9CTo put this achievemen= t into perspective, the history of 130 plus Arbitron surveys since a compet= itor overtook KMOX in the ratings is well over 42 years ago, when the Beatl= es were on the charts, the original Busch Stadium was just a few years old = and the Gateway Arch still had that fresh, =E2=80=98new Arch smell=E2=80=99= to it.=E2=80=9D=20 My note: maybe it's time to turn off the IBOC, turn the C-Quam back on and = beat them at their own game playing music again! =20=20=20=20=20=20 From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 13 09:13:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56876 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2009 16:13:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2009 16:13:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2009 16:13:26 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9DG7FB0019857 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:07:15 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bf7.69b99b3c (39331) for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:07:11 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lMqJbbnT_0UPBlefZq4EWKttSjc3zoX16kbdzin8gQS6MO8cTZ5t0hI802EZakK_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a St. Louis native and go back home regularly. To be honest, I have never heard of WRCH. The Mighty MOX has been in decline since losing long time GM and CBS VP Robert Hyland. Hyland was a legend in St. Louis radio. His forte, aside from ruling KMOX with an iron fist, was recognizing and developing talent such as the legendary Jack Buck and Bob Costas. When Highland retired (and has since passed away) and CBS sold KMOX to Infamy Broadcasting, the station changed. KMOX was always the gold standard of broadcasting in St. Louis. Even its competitors readily admitted that during Hyland's tenure. It wasn't just about ratings, but practices. During the 60s, Storz Broadcasting's KXOK bumped the Mighty MOX. Todd Storz and Robert Hyland, aside from their successful, though autocratic, management styles were like black and white. Storz was the up and coming innovator. Hyland was the deeply entrenched establishment "Old Guard". KMOX was always financially successful under Hyland. It made alot of money and wasn't afraid of spending money to do it. That philosophy was something Storz and Hyland also shared. Infamy did not share that ethos. Infamy was a bottom line cost cutter and to hell with standards and reputations. It gutted KMOX and tried to do things on the cheap. KMOX and Cardinals Baseball had been one and the same for more than half a century. So much so that if I didn't know Hyland and then Cards owner Auggie Busch to be strident homophobes, would swear the two were swapping spit up in the broadcast booth. KMOX is St. Louis's only clear channel station. For Busch, there was no other place for it to be as the Cards popularity, like KMOX's skywave, reached far beyond the River City. For Hyland, the Cards, like KMOX, WAS St. Louis. Anything other than the arrangement between the two would have been unimaginable. Anheuser Busch sold the Cards after its patriach retired. The new owners wanted the franchise as a money earner, not a promotion for some other revenue stream and personal hobby of its CEO. So they put the squeeze on KMOX believing it would pay virtually any amount to carry the games. Cards Baseball was the jewel in crown of KMOX's programming. Cards ownership found out Infamy was no Robert Hyland. Infamy took let the Cards go rather than pay their demands and saw it as a positive move for their bottom line. The Cards ended up buying a 5kW regional station of their own. The loss of Cards coverage was among the last and most dramatic example of Infamy's management philsophy. That being, cut costs at all costs. Some loss of listenership was an acceptable price to pay for greatly reduced costs. That approach started the downward spiral which has become all too common in AM radio today. KMOX's hallmark was it local "At Your Service" programming with a stable of seasoned on-air talent and deep pocket resources no other station could match. That got slashed. Limbaugh took over mid-day. Much of the seasoned talent were given their walking papers. The station's functions such as news were gutted. One could make more money flippling sliders at White Castle than as an associate news producer at the new KMOX. KMOX fell victim to a phenomenon that has become far too pervasive in American corporate culture, the vampire. Vampires seduce companies only to suck the life from them leaving behing the walking dead as the vampire moves on to other prey. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Oct 13 09:18:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93433 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2009 16:18:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2009 16:18:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2009 16:18:34 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2009 16:18:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2009 16:18:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2009 16:18:22 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:18:22 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006101ca4a93$fee5c740$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Jex7gX-8RHmeakhj432KvC34R1T0lzHwBgpFKWy8qAYB X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd $275.00 Shipped Insured Con-US PayPal or USPS Money Order $225.00 + Actual shipping and insurance to the rest of the world. From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 13 09:54:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89291 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2009 16:54:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2009 16:54:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2009 16:54:21 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9DGsKI8020623 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:54:20 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.cf4.5dc055c6 (65097) for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:54:14 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=TXBMHtqdPcCxmA-BQxVZZjcxlhmsB6veKLCwl29IF7wDasyqUCBIAJjBupuTFSEf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just gave a listen to WARH on their streaming (or steaming pile) audio. That crap beats KMOX? Dead-segs, obvious automation. Change the legal ID and you have El Dorado radio. I looked at some of their employment opportunities. Sound like a great place NOT to work. I can only conclude my fellow St. Louisians have had their fill of El Rushbo. Call me an out of date sentimentalist, but if WARH can knock the Mighty MOX off, a station with a true Top 40 format could mop up with the blooming boomers. Incidentally, KMOX is known in local radio circles as the "Voice of Medicare". The woman who took over for Hyland apparently must have a weight problem. One local radio personality discusses her shortcomings in the morning drive on another station. Everytime he mentions her name it is accompanied by an elephant trumpetting. He once commented that like KMOX at night, you could pick her up just about anywhere. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 13 10:01:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31120 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2009 17:00:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2009 17:00:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2009 17:00:56 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9DH0oqa016410 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:00:51 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c17.67d2c9e2 (65097) for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:00:47 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTSV - 1230 - Out of parts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fPrTFcN1cob67N1r-Ul0i-Pdy_JNprMGuWSjB9mH_FsR5kLqRE4fEDwgzITBknsE X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/12/2009 11:20:53 PM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > I am wondering if this is just an excuse to turn the thing off for a > while. I mean gee, can't ANYBODY get a 1 KW transmitter within a Week? > I agree. I could BUILD them a 1-kW class power supply in week from scratch. Where are they trying to find parts? Walmart? Tractor Supply? The Thrifty Nickel? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Oct 13 10:57:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26098 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2009 17:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2009 17:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2009 17:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2009 17:56:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Oct 2009 17:56:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:56:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=f9EFC7CGx95bUFDhk2sv96XvVLQIkkGsR7bntVRlSwLU X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd On Ebay it is... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D140352174483 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Oct 13 11:34:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85374 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2009 18:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Oct 2009 18:34:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2009 18:34:10 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7263 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2009 18:34:07 -0000 Message-ID: <277830.7038.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: jlpa3KoVM1l3VhXExVtif4OsEoOVVznhxOfUQzhISz74UIE7ziaeeWhpymgcLI0jKb1z4EwxrQA4Q6aIenYS1v2BaftpW2UB4N0GEgPi3v53XRctFWEVWGWbbG2.TncgNUeVHbfDu.RQlLxJfBqociau9SBXwt8Nh6fh2CixoUq8t.mXuhlejVGlxerRdoq.m7H.PZmuxfu_sjpvebsvrWZ_f0yph7iXtX_1UD25YZa0sLaIAxNA2YgLkEDOOPvshtyNVduhKCuZXKtvVAq5jM0X4vfvH2BWjI8OtO.ueiGOdASaq60jEg_AOuSzfY5st1dlYWzsZafPitH7Ms_3GE.8GxutDI8ya1ankSFHucp_1wa.07YYZyl8g5A1J4fM.7_OtUzmjhohrsizs0gBwxw7X6tQy5.XzEQUAfF0obj3jT.5EBWon8gUWr9CktguuPsstU4jdIYOwOATZA-- X-Received: from [69.14.41.73] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:34:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:34:07 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <537334.51359.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TSR3WvHcr5m5sjPfUEHBMQ1qyAan2QsVfRk_d5DwGId2Qw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable KMOX WAS stereo for a while, weren't they? --- On Tue, 10/13/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 9:51 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20=20=20 St. Louis Bonneville Station Dethrones CBS' KMOX Oct 9, 2009 -By Katy Bachman=20 With a little help from the portable people meter, WARH-FM, Bonneville=E2= =80=99s Classic Hits station in St. Louis has ended the 40-year ratings dom= inance of KMOX-AM, the heritage News/Talk station owned by CBS Radio. WARH, known as =E2=80=9CThe Arch,=E2=80=9D had a 8.8 average quarter-hour r= ating share, an ample lead over KMOX=E2=80=99s 7.1, according to Arbitron= =E2=80=99s September portable people meter ratings report. The station=E2= =80=99s cumulative audience reached nearly 1 million listeners a week, abou= t 40 percent of the total radio audience. =E2=80=9CWe are honored to be the station to have broken KMOX=E2=80=99s lon= g-running and esteemed record as the number one radio station,=E2=80=9D sai= d Kevin Robinson, program director of WARH. =E2=80=9CTo put this achievemen= t into perspective, the history of 130 plus Arbitron surveys since a compet= itor overtook KMOX in the ratings is well over 42 years ago, when the Beatl= es were on the charts, the original Busch Stadium was just a few years old = and the Gateway Arch still had that fresh, =E2=80=98new Arch smell=E2=80=99= to it.=E2=80=9D=20 My note: maybe it's time to turn off the IBOC, turn the C-Quam back on and = beat them at their own game playing music again! =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Oct 13 17:00:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4308 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2009 00:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2009 00:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2009 00:00:28 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.90] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091013190002102144400010.0) with SMTP id <20091013190002102144400010> for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:00:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008201ca4c62$2761b060$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <277830.7038.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:00:02 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=02nYDPLwuLi4SWNnpOLl2ejhvSooWfWyUhH2-4qNCE0DyWQ0P-LM X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They sure were, but got lured by the IBUZ Pied Piper. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 KMOX WAS stereo for a while, weren't they? --- On Tue, 10/13/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 9:51 AM =20=20=20 St. Louis Bonneville Station Dethrones CBS' KMOX Oct 9, 2009 -By Katy Bachman=20 With a little help from the portable people meter, WARH-FM, Bonneville=E2= =80=99s Classic Hits station in St. Louis has ended the 40-year ratings dom= inance of KMOX-AM, the heritage News/Talk station owned by CBS Radio. WARH, known as =E2=80=9CThe Arch,=E2=80=9D had a 8.8 average quarter-hour= rating share, an ample lead over KMOX=E2=80=99s 7.1, according to Arbitron= =E2=80=99s September portable people meter ratings report. The station=E2= =80=99s cumulative audience reached nearly 1 million listeners a week, abou= t 40 percent of the total radio audience. =E2=80=9CWe are honored to be the station to have broken KMOX=E2=80=99s l= ong-running and esteemed record as the number one radio station,=E2=80=9D s= aid Kevin Robinson, program director of WARH. =E2=80=9CTo put this achievem= ent into perspective, the history of 130 plus Arbitron surveys since a comp= etitor overtook KMOX in the ratings is well over 42 years ago, when the Bea= tles were on the charts, the original Busch Stadium was just a few years ol= d and the Gateway Arch still had that fresh, =E2=80=98new Arch smell=E2=80= =99 to it.=E2=80=9D=20 My note: maybe it's time to turn off the IBOC, turn the C-Quam back on an= d beat them at their own game playing music again! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Oct 13 17:02:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41564 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2009 00:02:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2009 00:02:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2009 00:02:25 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.90] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091013190126102349700010.0) with SMTP id <20091013190126102349700010> for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:01:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008a01ca4c62$5923b9e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:01:26 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=EKAKztq8MQ8UTTeN10L019w7aboxyA-Bmy-IH0N308-CCPfh_dqg X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're right. They out to can that right-wing gas bag and put on Randi Rhodesin his place! Why I can see it now- they'll be back at #1 in a month!!! Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com I can only conclude my fellow St. Louisians have had their fill of El Rushbo. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Oct 13 17:02:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8401 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2009 00:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2009 00:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2009 00:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9E02Zcp022625 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:02:36 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bce.509a1740 (14501) for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:02:32 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=v4Y4Ym6aEqhU1PnuPN833hsYrf1IUMfdG1rQTiAzKM-2gn3aMvPu_yvQ_oa4KFbL X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KMOX has always been a leader. They were CQUAM stereo in the 80s. They're still stereo capable. I get my St. Louis news and weather from KMOX at night. KMOX blankets El Dorado (450 miles) with a good skywave signal. On night the ran CQUAM for a couple hours or were at least were transmitting the 25 hz pilot. Why, I don't know. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Oct 13 19:51:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90748 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2009 02:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2009 02:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2009 02:51:02 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so1557558qwd.57 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:51:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.115.98 with SMTP id h34mr6593009qaq.193.1255488661560; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.207.159? (dialup-4.152.207.159.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.207.159]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm766597qwe.4.2009.10.13.19.50.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD50D22.7090401@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:28:34 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTSV - 1230 - Out of parts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=1yRf-JoYy_sG5jTyFi7PVau1KRA3rai7MaGD_km0us2UfidSmonv0Ljhf7tGIg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Where are they trying to find parts? Walmart? Tractor Supply? The > Thrifty Nickel? They are getting them at Radio Shack! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Oct 14 01:23:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42238 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2009 08:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2009 08:22:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2009 08:22:53 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9E8MU7x031001 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:22:30 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d04.6306d498 (39330) for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:22:28 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=bdmuQXUX1YE9wVunXn7mYnyWzdkSTQcwBw11SAi84e9U2-x9K27lQJ168YiXktCC X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/13/2009 7:02:57 PM Central Daylight Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > You're right. They out to can that right-wing gas bag and put on Randi > Rhodesin his place! Why I can see it now- they'll be back at #1 in a month!!! > I don't know that would work. Their traditional demographic has always been elderly people and sports fans. The put out their seasoned air talent out to pasture, lost the Cards franchise, and there are now at least 3 other all sports stations in town. A floundering station tried the "both sides" approach intermixing Air America and second string right wing talkers. That didn't work. So they went completely over to the dark side with nut case right wingers going up against Rush. That really bombed. They finally went to all sports. St. Louis has "alternative radio". Think of it as pirate radio only with 100kW of power, a 1,500 ft. tower, and a license. That's about as left as it gets in the Gateway to the West. If I were wealthy, I'd buy out Crawford on 630 as well as the KXOK callsign from some TV station out in Oklahoma, collect the air talent from the 60s that are still above ground from the nursing homes, and bring back Top 40. That is, after I dropped CQUAM card in the tranny. Talk radio, be it Rush, Air America, or NPR just wears on me after while. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 14 06:49:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77739 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2009 13:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2009 13:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2009 13:48:57 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2009 13:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2009 13:48:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:48:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Y7iCumwa96Cq3h40jrGOj1jd9I04MMNrn_4LL_6HELK6A_6Act_9k7Y X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Yeowww, about 50 electrolytic caps to change out? What are the two portions with the "A-K" and "0-9" matrix? 73's John From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Thu Oct 15 05:52:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71680 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2009 12:52:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Oct 2009 12:52:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Oct 2009 12:52:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2009 12:52:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Oct 2009 12:52:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:52:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=Bsg_WXDuQH5AxdL2AXU0ezMNQapM_ulp-1uR11PnPXhl X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Yeowww, about 50 electrolytic caps to change out? > What are the two portions with the "A-K" and "0-9" matrix? > 73's > John > i think it is audio equalization and delay From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 16 18:23:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2434 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2009 01:23:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2009 01:23:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2009 01:23:38 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.164] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091016202324101811500010.0) with SMTP id <20091016202324101811500010> for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:23:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001301ca4ec9$5023d8c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:23:24 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ix75cJeWMYTZNfPKVnjcE62oqrujFDwKhiYqn--N5ZqEWG9gT00J X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most likely their former main, still equipped with CQUAM, is now an aux and they had it on the air while doing maintenance on the main. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com On night the ran CQUAM for a couple hours or were at least were transmitting the 25 hz pilot. Why, I don't know. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 16 18:27:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35529 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2009 01:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2009 01:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2009 01:27:17 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.164] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091016202710102305000010.0) with SMTP id <20091016202710102305000010> for ; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:27:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003001ca4ec9$d6c35900$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:27:10 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=pAp844FSgIvyrsiRmEDeyMDHDrbTuof06_Aeq4HYy9r4Tz8BAV5Z X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's just ONE VALUE!! It has lots more. Maybe I should post the entire list for those with the stomach to endure it. :) Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:49 AM Yeowww, about 50 electrolytic caps to change out? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 19 08:19:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41224 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 15:19:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 15:19:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 15:19:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2009 15:19:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2009 15:19:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:19:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.35.136.189 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=119C-XAb_lBB-QNuwPBhvk41H8TId42RA8pAxai18dgy46mLvH0N4SvJ8Dn3YVsg3ggWTK9T X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net =20 =20 =20 > right wingers going up against Rush. That really bombed. They finally w= ent to=20 > all sports. >=20 > St. Louis has "alternative radio". Think of it as pirate radio only with= =20 > 100kW of power, a 1,500 ft. tower, and a license. That's about as left a= s it=20 > gets in the Gateway to the West. >=20 > If I were wealthy, I'd buy out Crawford on 630 as well as the KXOK callsi= gn=20 > from some TV station out in Oklahoma, collect the air talent from the 60s= =20 > that are still above ground from the nursing homes, and bring back Top 40= .=20=20 >=20 > Talk radio, be it Rush, Air America, or NPR just wears on me after while. >=20 > Mike =20 Hi Mike You are'nt the only one that thinks that listenig to talk radio i= s like taking a chease grader to the face!!!!! I think there is a lot of u= s poeple that listen to the radio that wants music on both bands in clear A= M STEREO then the powers to be think. My local AM 950 KAHI Auburn Ca has be= en saying that thay have been lossing a lot of listeners sence thay went ta= lk on the week days. The station GM says thay can'nt aford the roylatys. I= say if thay can get there listeners back as much as thay can that should h= elp them pay for there rolatys and also do what PBS dose have also done dri= ves also.Like i said i don't think i am a lone. Jim Smith From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Oct 19 08:46:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75436 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 15:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 15:46:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f219.google.com) (209.85.220.219) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 15:46:41 -0000 X-Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so5234409fxm.2 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:46:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.13.207 with SMTP id d15mr5033466bka.157.1255967200013; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.140? (dialup-4.152.204.140.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l19sm92417fgb.16.2009.10.19.08.46.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ADC89CF.7010807@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:46:23 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=oDzqkzyWQbdEXGE_om4gGUBgLdZi92WEALC0_ZWmBI9ycQKm1MRFpkCAJov_mA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jim smith wrote: > do what PBS dose have also done drives also. It is not legal for a Commercial Station to do fund raisers like that. Only Non-Coms can beg for money over the air. Now there is a Non-Com LPFM in Ocala, FL that plays Oldies with only 1 break per hour. It is Listener Supported. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 19 10:35:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63587 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 17:35:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 17:35:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 17:35:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2009 17:30:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2009 17:30:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:30:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4ADC89CF.7010807@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.41.74.219 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=ykuG2SSbzbM3ZL8K9FP0oxGP6EkG_NH4poUUkDcrIzJLHq3Z7ZTWVb9E-8ajaVieI9fQ1YOo X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kj4hyd wrote: > > jim smith wrote: > > do what PBS dose have also done drives also. >=20 > It is not legal for a Commercial Station to do fund raisers like that.=20 > Only Non-Coms can beg for money over the air. >=20 > Now there is a Non-Com LPFM in Ocala, FL that plays Oldies with only 1=20 > break per hour. It is Listener Supported. > --=20 >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > Hi Kevin Thanks for the info on beggathons on non coms. I did not know th= at info. I am just a listener that is very fustraided with radio now a day= s. Jim Smith NOR CAL From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Oct 19 11:41:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50868 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 18:41:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 18:41:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 18:41:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9JIfBWg026122 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:41:11 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c48.46bddd21 (39332) for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:41:05 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lkvGtfl090Qzo0yN98-XWmg1ZUJmasJ_R6oWTjP-64VqfMKiNPRihKgh4qDjNlU4 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KFUO in St. Louis has an odd status. It's an old time AM daytimer with 5kW nondirectional on 850 that is/was owned by the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. For many years, it was a commercial free fine arts station. Just going across the AM dial in St. Louis, I recently heard what I thought was a commercial. However, it takes a JD and law license nowadays to distinguish between a commercial and an "enhanced endorsement". Religious stations beg for money all the time. Are they considered commercial or noncommercial? I don't mean the FMers in the educational part of the band, but AMers ? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Oct 19 12:47:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1503 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 19:47:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 19:47:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO gv-out-0910.google.com) (216.239.58.191) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 19:47:11 -0000 X-Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so511204gve.1 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:47:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.103.125.17 with SMTP id c17mr2264503mun.16.1255981629982; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.140? (dialup-4.152.204.140.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j6sm53652mue.50.2009.10.19.12.47.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ADCC22D.6030604@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:46:53 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.239.58.191 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=OcphYhw7xtc9SY-nBvaDra4I0i9_KmG8UDhvp2-eYap8e_I0tgaFb6AIbMAePQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jim smith wrote: > I am just a listener that is very fustraided with radio now a days. Trust me, Broadcasters are just as frustrated as you are. These new performance rights fees are going to KILL us. Why on earth does a Catholic TALK station have to pay these crooks a DIME? Anyway, they wouldn't sell ANY music if it was not getting FREE Advertising by radio play. Music Stations need to start charging record companies for airplay and see how they like that. Oh yea, Payola is illegal. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Oct 19 13:00:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69339 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 20:00:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 20:00:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ey-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.78.27) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 20:00:09 -0000 X-Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 22so870323eye.45 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:00:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.103.126.27 with SMTP id d27mr2239589mun.56.1255982408321; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.140? (dialup-4.152.204.140.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e8sm62973muf.59.2009.10.19.13.00.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ADCC52C.8000004@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:59:40 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.78.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Ditp_x7gjnEqAA5r3-TWB7ySLNh7FWDrfhYNmaP7JHNiETy03pphZwFovNXtKA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Religious stations beg for money all the time. Are they considered commercial or noncommercial? I don't mean the FMers in the educational part of the band, but AMers ? I work for 2 Non-Comm AMs. There are also Non-Coms in the commercial part of the FM Band. What a lot of stations do to skirt around the law that you can't beg for money on a commercial station is they lease 23 Hours a day to a Ministry that bags on the air for money, but the Station owner is not. This is legal even if the station owner and the ministry is owned by the same person! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Oct 19 13:32:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79812 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 20:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 20:32:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 20:32:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54644 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2009 20:32:11 -0000 Message-ID: <197146.54071.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ViW0f4wVM1ml50qjkId5d56VzAgAkTq0cfwuOE9Nh4rT.R_XNlpMISWRe9dcUxlQuAs8pbW8hFhe9.znp8xZU0arBpPJP7t2TsFfSLdolas8DYdqkiI3Bne50Cab.QysKgl6VLbrxxImsBNpIXUPMYrTL65RDuMuOoYgy_uVOwnKg3Xecid0lMT7kdi_ZsP9mDmalULbt9_cr6PuxIC22PKufB9tkohxS_1jMd2FCSKLAIOWSc3FFuMiLF7cvU4hhp0UJ6MXESCTC3gGA0Z2.wYxtwlt8BQXDdJoIWNaTWImQ9NBFaUUQEBkddC2n3ZP10DpKiXlQLPr8fKzgFRgDe6Qi80j54A.DDt1rzlU9LgzOkQFjT2TowS26EdHUQBrdIO_H1hlgsAqvaeXQgi2ZGrTL7wPqDlFQcNmvg4QMwHSPdn4bhka1nE- X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:32:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:32:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4ADC89CF.7010807@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Qvbca4eOv2bjHkBsICIoQEYhzDiMyI1dWGUZWOr0w82ERY-lBMUV X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WJIB does fundraisers.=A0 They air no commercials but are not a non-commerc= ial station. --- On Mon, 10/19/09, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 11:46 AM =A0 =20=20=20=20 jim smith wrote: > do what PBS dose have also done drives also. It is not legal for a Commercial Station to do fund raisers like that.=20 Only Non-Coms can beg for money over the air. Now there is a Non-Com LPFM in Ocala, FL that plays Oldies with only 1=20 break per hour. It is Listener Supported. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Oct 19 14:37:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29707 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 21:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 21:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 21:37:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2009 21:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2009 21:35:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:35:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003001ca4ec9$d6c35900$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=1lvnYf_oQNq98LqGjAIspkur-OL3FwerCpShXAd0uhJJ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd just about 20 hrs left :) get your bid in while you still can. From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Oct 19 14:41:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54884 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 21:41:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 21:41:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.82) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 21:41:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 74898 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2009 21:41:49 -0000 Message-ID: <890051.74863.qm@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: iaAAWjcVM1lAWbPLUnFe9i70cOkN0j7.mf.FV2YFI95EcFMDrejA0bEMmWA4B9TRgSRvhZ22Cx2VE87ml0HgRQGc90KE0.Efw6CXagJHwlhJ9UbRuwKyy7ugP2xnOLjvpWRJhEJMG38VYrepTyTxd.zr378KHLwngv6Z3_SZB0f3fIYlWl._3vIl.8gal3ZKrP18fk8bdzUYATV9hjRFm0IMtyNHPuUXAwVx3UStjezO28Vj0M5XXn5eDxGed37VbPfjHY0B16egmGJ3U4hsEDSZ8Di2BMw9ty.FF5kXX6mGIXBEnHJWVVmXVgKF6o8HHaLGIoXmcAsBNfKv74e6OKlJ6EsHs98jFhNyCw-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:41:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.0.7 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:41:49 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=v644wxi7OeG4C-feBS9IG79kCAQS-GDa4PLTtuhaAMY X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I looked in my wallet and a moth flew out....... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Mon, 10/19/09, kc8gpd wrote: > just about 20 hrs left :) > > get your bid in while you still can. From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 19 14:51:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46990 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 21:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 21:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 21:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2009 21:50:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2009 21:50:36 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:50:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <890051.74863.qm@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.41.74.121 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=WqMck4MZEvgXvzpBOMY4P4IQT837_1qd_CNv0zBiY_7_3l1MBHuUPS0mZhskeXZPxPZNxOPr X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > I looked in my wallet and a moth flew out....... >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 > --- On Mon, 10/19/09, kc8gpd wrote: >=20 > > just about 20 hrs left :) > >=20 > > get your bid in while you still can. > Hi Gang I can only hope that some one here in the Sacramento Valley buys i= t. AM radio sucks here. Jim Smith From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Oct 19 15:01:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86543 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 22:01:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 22:01:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f216.google.com) (209.85.220.216) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 22:01:03 -0000 X-Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so5650883fxm.29 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:01:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.223.5.90 with SMTP id 26mr1068555fau.59.1255989662855; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.140? (dialup-4.152.204.140.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d6sm84425fga.0.2009.10.19.15.01.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ADCE18E.2050902@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:00:46 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <890051.74863.qm@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <890051.74863.qm@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fs: Broadcast Electronics AX-10 AM Stereo Exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=hkwMivape9Tog5-4QkwZwSS5q1e-zp7JcxAQeEb12BGjE8JgcMmc3Loxwdl4pw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III wrote: > I looked in my wallet and a moth flew out....... You are RICH if a Moth flew out! There is NOTHING in my wallet. I work for a Non-Profit AM station. But then, most AMs are Non-Profit! LOL First, they need PROGRAMMING people want to hear. Second, they need a TOP-NOTCH plant that will produce the best sound possible. Third, they need to get the audience used to hitting the AM Button again, and that is the hardest thing to do. I will have to say WKDK has done a GREAT job in all 3 points. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w6yn@juno.com Mon Oct 19 15:46:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18610 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 22:46:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 22:46:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 22:46:35 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFP3482ATCZYK2 for (sender ); Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:44:40 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxGwHkuNYwFUsd5ZfzNohtE= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PU96LCKU; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:43:49 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.245.48] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:43:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:43:16 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091019.154316.16036.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 956 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3144264645 X-MAIL-INFO:4a79c1d5fd9dcd5184c9a0c1cdad054d65290149d0148510e571042904e075e54921b1699445d949b181613011ed45ed140c20f5 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=VXlKs58tTMMBU0FqfAGBvwS91reAngFm2TlyHORvtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I have noticed that some non-com (PBS) operators are purchasing and operati= ng long existing AM sticks. How does that work? Don=20 ---------- Original Message ---------- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:41:05 EDT KFUO in St. Louis has an odd status. It's an old time AM daytimer with 5kW= =20 nondirectional on 850 that is/was owned by the Lutheran Church Missouri=20 Synod. For many years, it was a commercial free fine arts station. Just g= oing=20 across the AM dial in St. Louis, I recently heard what I thought was a=20 commercial. However, it takes a JD and law license nowadays to distinguish= =20 between a commercial and an "enhanced endorsement". Religious stations beg for money all the time. Are they considered=20 commercial or noncommercial? I don't mean the FMers in the educational par= t of the=20 band, but AMers ? Mike From w6yn@juno.com Mon Oct 19 16:06:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11226 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 23:06:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 23:06:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 23:06:02 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFP36G3APF72WS for (sender ); Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:06:01 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2YcUQPDYbunYAdvnfzxmqw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PU97T75P; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:05:35 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.245.48] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:05:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:05:00 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091019.160500.16036.2@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 986 X-ContentStamp: 7:3:3144264645 X-MAIL-INFO:09c38a0f477b1bbfd703438a1b4e8fd36f4b3e3327a3232b3bcfef4beffb373b337e2a77ee9783332aafbbabaadb97dba39fdadf X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Fw: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=pcolzKIME4drMhKmKeYPT9I7PXpV1_ruT9ndHQ2Abw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Sorry - should have been NPR: I have noticed that some non-com (NPR) operators are purchasing and operati= ng long existing AM sticks. How does that work? Don=20 ---------- Original Message ---------- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:41:05 EDT KFUO in St. Louis has an odd status. It's an old time AM daytimer with 5kW= =20 nondirectional on 850 that is/was owned by the Lutheran Church Missouri=20 Synod. For many years, it was a commercial free fine arts station. Just g= oing=20 across the AM dial in St. Louis, I recently heard what I thought was a=20 commercial. However, it takes a JD and law license nowadays to distinguish= =20 between a commercial and an "enhanced endorsement". Religious stations beg for money all the time. Are they considered=20 commercial or noncommercial? I don't mean the FMers in the educational par= t of the=20 band, but AMers ? Mike From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Oct 19 16:27:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60353 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 23:27:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 23:27:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f210.google.com) (209.85.219.210) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 23:27:13 -0000 X-Received: by ewy6 with SMTP id 6so1695936ewy.30 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:27:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.210.4.13 with SMTP id 13mr269597ebd.64.1255994832460; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.140? (dialup-4.152.204.140.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm1745032eya.28.2009.10.19.16.27.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ADCF5BF.1000100@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:26:55 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20091019.160500.16036.2@webmail17.dca.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20091019.160500.16036.2@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=9gR42I9WQLra2rUNugUdP9e4-3A2ZZiKi8ynXChGZPcirs87_kYinjxPR1aJuw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Sorry - should have been NPR: > > I have noticed that some non-com (NPR) operators are purchasing and operating long existing AM sticks. > How does that work? They get this from the FCC http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1313807.pdf And they are good to go! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w6yn@juno.com Mon Oct 19 16:37:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35809 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 23:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 23:37:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 23:37:37 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFP38B5AG2A48A for (sender ); Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:37:31 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD4FgEKMnYfkC//V5YRe+CxQ= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PU99MF6Q; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:36:51 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.245.48] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:36:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:36:07 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091019.163607.16036.4@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 733 X-ContentStamp: 7:3:1403969193 X-MAIL-INFO:11f7dbd3f7ababdbab9a9adf4a3a231ffb8fba83fbcfbb0773833bba6acfbeabeaf7d35e770bbb7e073a X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: Fw: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=gHvD9yO3--5ldtjGbFAZuC0mVuyhhve9Ir6jyAUb_w X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn What I meant to ask was how does a commercial station own and operate as a= non-commercial one? I had the impression that non-coms were regulated to the non-com spectrum. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:26:55 -0400 W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > Sorry - should have been NPR: > > I have noticed that some non-com (NPR) operators are purchasing and opera= ting long existing AM sticks. > How does that work? They get this from the FCC http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1313807.pdf And they are good to go! --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Oct 19 16:47:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97371 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 23:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 23:47:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f216.google.com) (209.85.219.216) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 23:47:42 -0000 X-Received: by ewy12 with SMTP id 12so4893732ewy.0 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:47:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.210.93.27 with SMTP id q27mr6435845ebb.9.1255996061088; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.152.204.140? (dialup-4.152.204.140.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.152.204.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm2635007eya.20.2009.10.19.16.47.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ADCFA7E.5050009@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:47:10 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20091019.163607.16036.4@webmail17.dca.untd.com> In-Reply-To: <20091019.163607.16036.4@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=rCSz7i53ZTL3a1vkLJbdrnZzRG2YqV8FfbbJEr2Lwg_iTxnGyVKgBV5aeQEwAg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > What I meant to ask was how does a commercial station own and operate as a non-commercial one? > > I had the impression that non-coms were regulated to the non-com spectrum. Nope, Non-Coms can operate ANYWHERE in the spectrum on both AM and FM. Look at Non-Com WQXR on 105.9 and WNYC on 93.9 and 820 for examples in New York. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From robert.w.welch@att.net Mon Oct 19 16:48:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55069 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 23:48:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 23:48:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 23:48:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2009 23:48:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Oct 2009 23:48:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:48:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20091019.163607.16036.4@webmail17.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.185.98.155 From: "Bob W" Subject: Fw: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=wdlAgLvBuXio8ffeZh4otqhY1W6oIT6P6-DR2bjYsVwzAt-uyCvG X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 I believe that an operator simply asks for the FCC to declare that channel.= .. whether AM or FM... to be a non-com. I know the AM station WBTN Benning= ton, VT became non-commercial... I also know that old WOCB 1240 Barnstable= -Hyannis, MA is now operating as WBUR... of course 90.9 in Boston is now kn= own legally as WBUR-FM. The huge regional Vermont Public Radio station licenced to Burlington, VT h= as a 107.9 at the summit of Mount Mansfield.. the highest point in the stat= e of Vermont. The signal goes into neighboring Qu=C3=A9bec.. Ontario and N= ew York State. Bob at WSTJ From w6yn@juno.com Mon Oct 19 16:53:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53483 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2009 23:52:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Oct 2009 23:52:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Oct 2009 23:52:58 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail19.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.159]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFP3864AGG9M5S for (sender ); Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:51:54 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2kTLjLj6LAlLS3R5z+k6CY= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail19.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PVAAGSHJ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:51:46 PDT X-Received: from [76.194.245.48] by webmail19.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:50:45 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:50:45 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091019.165045.25880.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 668 X-ContentStamp: 7:3:3220670108 X-MAIL-INFO:1aa0056945458445094d5120893095c1cd3509b5d42d04b4892499d109d1911424d494c4d50c9df9d4c484d0557d659d6504f441fd X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: Fw: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=pXkM-n2EU59M9AMXXyaGLSr1dLqnG9eUZJEMrRQefg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I guess I need to enter the 21st Century. Thanks. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:47:10 -0400 W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > What I meant to ask was how does a commercial station own and operate as= a non-commercial one? > > I had the impression that non-coms were regulated to the non-com spectrum= . Nope, Non-Coms can operate ANYWHERE in the spectrum on both AM and FM. Look at Non-Com WQXR on 105.9 and WNYC on 93.9 and 820 for examples in=20 New York. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Oct 19 17:12:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23805 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2009 00:12:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2009 00:12:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.95) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2009 00:12:36 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9K0CZGJ021050 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:12:35 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.ca0.5ef9a01a (14467) for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:12:32 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=yuQ76VLoaJGOJAGEQztaNfq2ChX0kSO6il16GEVFc10TI-E8eupRe3td2Mg3qh9X X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/19/2009 5:46:55 PM Central Daylight Time, w6yn@juno.com writes: > I have noticed that some non-com (PBS) operators are purchasing and > operating long existing AM sticks. > How does that work? > The University of Arizona has a 50kW tall tower mid-band AM in Phoenix where Hank lives. It's an NPR station just like a FMer. If any station should have AM Stereo, that one should. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Oct 19 17:15:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37849 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2009 00:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2009 00:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2009 00:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9K0FK27026549 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:15:21 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bce.514874c7 (14467) for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:15:16 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: Re: {AMSF} Re: KMOX 42 years at #1, now #2 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=mc950cL2066kPuwmZQBORkmycxwmeF21k8A4PP_KieCCUsBM6r1kUr2uOSy3gsph X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As someone mentioned, there are lots of AM nonprofits. They just weren't intended to be that way. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Oct 20 09:22:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24988 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2009 16:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2009 16:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2009 16:22:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2009 16:22:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2009 16:22:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:22:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.69.3 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Here is an interesting article from Radio World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=Y0Ge9fHAt4EpiiIEIBcjyNCtoNRV0JRBbpVrVkrnn14 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Here is an interesting article from Radio World http://72.52.213.140/article/88604=20 I liked the writter comment on IBOC: "1.IBOC at night didn't work, doesn't work and won't work. Turn it off at n= ight until a fix is found and proven"=20 From robert.w.welch@att.net Tue Oct 20 09:47:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: robert.w.welch@att.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64561 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2009 16:47:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2009 16:47:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2009 16:47:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2009 16:47:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2009 16:47:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:47:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.240.134.22 From: "Bob W" Subject: Re: Here is an interesting article from Radio World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=226435569; y=4jOKEg_YESKdsuNsrJe-PcLuwCyFOIS0_YVYs7e4DSlIDIEfOZQo X-Yahoo-Profile: bob_welch550 Much like IBOC.. your link about that fact... doesn't work either.=20=20 Bob at WSTJ From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 21 14:45:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35425 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2009 21:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2009 21:45:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2009 21:45:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31892 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2009 21:45:11 -0000 Message-ID: <809360.28919.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1JWI13MVM1mPpSxxe86KV_dgXWAZoclX3rcLvVXWQ0_epX3Qu9qNb9QOzIYqesEv0Htifn7L73V1oR4ATS93qaCN3CtNHeL9jEt3gADrEqM_MX_mGTvZPfKLbAwKhCDWQU4YMCQG_AoCUQIPP0YfOBVuHx7ls6hKCKBW9OxG6erkQU89nMDYsdQP5uoY39TVz2HnKOZel9IQKZSMC4fuIHLZ.i2lNi9ODSC4uP3IGWWEAFu8GKBg7tDUMn_em3Ndep57ntwL6yELncp7UjzrBUsBm7cz5ljskVP61J7nWGdEB3_wNBJH9v84YyygcLM_lWF5nXqq.YEp9RtIeQ-- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:45:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:45:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Brand New BE AM 1A 1.1 kW AM Transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=nLSRC2guIrw7MyB5J-Uh3EfnSnpa2V2ca0JRXhmPfHIoM9rWMjoFQ_A X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Alright, which one of you guys bought this transmitter from eBay with "Buy It Now"? It has the C-Quam AM Stereo card. Is there anyway to find out who bought it and try to buy the Card, or better yet, convince them to use the CQuam card? They 'hide' the bidder's info, but maybe the seller would let us know? Since it included shipping, $6K sounded like a great price. Maybe it's a backup transmitter for our friend Mr. Norman in South Myrtle Beach?? Anybody? From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Oct 21 14:47:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70686 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2009 21:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2009 21:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2009 21:47:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 31068 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Oct 2009 21:47:20 -0000 Message-ID: <396613.30554.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: xYC9OGwVM1n2gM8_6OHpN4luHDm3aJnMn0mQWUtI1o2Jqwj._jJrE.Xv2Y7mzNbviisRVanumqiOTHBvVduOwp6rChMckJXLf3FbV8Y6LBkldzr32946jihCde0QiQxDeZ62QnUSar9MI_1gFH2sxuEsIjq9dK5grBWWX8roSOoIsWKoeUWtDMHL6xQHw7YQFv3OnF9aTgU1qrzOw.wQOWx.xZXcAfFKtig0mpeKHZIQIeAy4qhMXZ37m6olpjOnrOoPPS08WVURWr7aUqiQ61w0nmARNdZR7Uq2dkvcSs_pYUDNVHYb9YzDU.Qz1AbAe_dKNwc1ihWOtnq085eG8nTlVHdsvDDOoxIDl5bvytq.2AXfM6gOdZFeV.b6nuP8IhBprt6q X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:47:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:47:20 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Question on Pair of Boxes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=G-sEgmtRl5vNgq_nDV0odKwmbNgoBE9sDTxy3hGVSTuHddxp41bzQLw X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio No Steve Martin, I said 'Pair of boxes' not 'pair of foxes'. There are a pair of "C-Quam Boxes" on flEBAY - can those be used with a transmitter, or are they strictly a test unit that would test a cquam RECEIVER only? I've never seen these units before. 73's John From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Oct 21 17:50:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85375 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2009 00:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2009 00:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2009 00:50:27 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.163] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091021195018103012100010.0) with SMTP id <20091021195018103012100010> for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:50:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00fb01ca52b2$8c0e8aa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <396613.30554.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:50:18 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Pair of Boxes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=UYZwRedg9Yx3n1llI6_nn3LwDG7m_L0qlqjyXUWJVlAeewUwDGd7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You need to provide links or at least a manufacturer name. That alone can often tell as some are just broadcast and others just test equipment. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: {AMSF} Question on Pair of Boxes? No Steve Martin, I said 'Pair of boxes' not 'pair of foxes'. There are a pair of "C-Quam Boxes" on flEBAY - can those be used with a transmitter, or are they strictly a test unit that would test a cquam RECEIVER only? I've never seen these units before. 73's John --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Wed Oct 21 19:06:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33918 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2009 02:06:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2009 02:06:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s11.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.214) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2009 02:06:28 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W55 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s11.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:06:27 -0700 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:06:28 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00fb01ca52b2$8c0e8aa0$d503fea9@stodd> References: <396613.30554.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2009 02:06:27.0770 (UTC) FILETIME=[43C391A0:01CA52BC] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Question on Pair of Boxes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=usgS3_UNDIPuESQeNhvoGAQjsNlTiYYUznxhV44IFt_o6QotO-n3 X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Go to Ebay and search for CQUAM You will find said boxes, because I did. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:50:18 -0500 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Pair of Boxes? You need to provide links or at least a manufacturer name. That alone can often tell as some are just broadcast and others just test equipment. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: {AMSF} Question on Pair of Boxes? No Steve Martin, I said 'Pair of boxes' not 'pair of foxes'. There are a pair of "C-Quam Boxes" on flEBAY - can those be used with a transmitter, or are they strictly a test unit that would test a cquam RECEIVER only? I've never seen these units before. 73's John --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Oct 22 07:21:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83817 invoked from network); 22 Oct 2009 14:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Oct 2009 14:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2009 14:21:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2009 14:18:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Oct 2009 14:18:39 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:18:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00fb01ca52b2$8c0e8aa0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.32.183 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Question on Pair of Boxes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=pNPFcdDA_l4PpbfSKiNGdERrOlyDc4uEGry2tv27B4s X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr http://cgi.ebay.com/C60305-Lot-2-Delta-Electronics-CQS-4-C-Quam-Synthesizer= _W0QQitemZ290361635101QQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > You need to provide links or at least a manufacturer name. That alone ca= n often tell as some are just broadcast and others just test equipment. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: John P.=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:47 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Question on Pair of Boxes? >=20 >=20 > No Steve Martin, I said 'Pair of boxes' not 'pair of foxes'. >=20 > There are a pair of "C-Quam Boxes" on flEBAY - can those be used with a= transmitter, or are they strictly a test unit that would test a cquam RECE= IVER only? I've never seen these units before. >=20 > 73's > John >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Oct 23 13:59:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46754 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2009 20:58:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2009 20:58:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2009 20:58:56 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2009 20:58:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2009 20:58:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2009 20:58:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:58:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Putting my Harris AMS-G1 up for Sale - $250.00 Shipped Con-US X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=NodTd96ID2OZFj_Yu-ack_VkeJHA5JZpFRBqvb9TFgmP X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Pictures Available Great Condition $250.00 Shipped Con-US usps Money order or PayPal (Buyer Pays Fee's) From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Oct 23 14:25:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98504 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2009 21:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2009 21:25:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2009 21:25:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2009 21:22:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Oct 2009 21:22:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:22:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <396613.30554.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: Question on Pair of Boxes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=7fzrbfeathGpq-7T9eZEAwk9ogwI6YG30DuEDEQwWsU1 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > No Steve Martin, I said 'Pair of boxes' not 'pair of foxes'. >=20 > There are a pair of "C-Quam Boxes" on flEBAY - can those be used with a t= ransmitter, or are they strictly a test unit that would test a cquam RECEIV= ER only? I've never seen these units before. >=20 > 73's > John > if someone from the amsf get's these i will trade the Harris exciter to one= of them :) they are some kind of test equipment for the delta ASE-2. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Oct 26 17:10:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60985 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2009 00:10:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2009 00:10:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2009 00:10:14 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.47] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091026191007102870600010.0) with SMTP id <20091026191007102870600010> for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:10:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008501ca5699$e100ee00$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:10:07 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: recent AMS news X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=1PxQftZCWXchKdzeldqJ1H63HQKNeLQhNqAezennDIRbeSfAYVpc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was up north over the Labor Day weekend- KKIN 930, Aitkin still has the pilot on but no stereo audio. Will be emailing them if I can ever remember to. WAQE, long a classic country station has flipped to sports. Will have to schlep the AMX2000 to see if they're still in stereo, but even if they are there won't be much to hear. Spent the weekend in KC- the classical station WXTR is still CQUAM, though the left channel was a tad weak. They advertise the new HD sound, but that more than likely has to do with it being simulcast on a sister station's HD2 channel. Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Oct 26 18:13:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12262 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2009 01:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2009 01:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2009 01:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2009 01:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2009 01:13:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:13:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: Question on Pair of Boxes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=lMSXpHa17gjEdVvUHrp7-mqoBtnJbDjoIY_EGYZ-LN29 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd Motherf@#$ing shill bots!!!! :( http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=3D290361635101 screwed at the last second more then likely by a shill bidder. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > > > No Steve Martin, I said 'Pair of boxes' not 'pair of foxes'. > >=20 > > There are a pair of "C-Quam Boxes" on flEBAY - can those be used with a= transmitter, or are they strictly a test unit that would test a cquam RECE= IVER only? I've never seen these units before. > >=20 > > 73's > > John > > >=20 >=20 > if someone from the amsf get's these i will trade the Harris exciter to o= ne of them :) >=20 > they are some kind of test equipment for the delta ASE-2. > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Oct 27 05:57:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62772 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2009 12:57:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2009 12:57:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2009 12:57:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2009 12:57:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2009 12:57:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:57:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Question on Pair of Boxes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=X7lkXGFlDYUfguTvQnyJWPlUIrrXCjK_kOMASkbaNVlngdTdqz6kcGs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If it was a shill bot, they may have screwed themselves - watch to see if t= hey relist them - bettcha they show up again! How can they bid at the same exact second? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > Motherf@#$ing shill bots!!!! :( >=20 > http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=3D290361635101 >=20 > screwed at the last second more then likely by a shill bidder. >=20 >=20 >=20 > From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Tue Oct 27 06:44:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67336 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Oct 2009 13:44:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:44:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: Question on Pair of Boxes? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=omiMPx1ay1ylmlOgFtVBbSt2ezi-GMZPCSg33HRbUXPr X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd they can bid at the exact same second and the higher bid gets it. in the case of the same bid amount there is always a uS difference and the = earlier bid gets it. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > If it was a shill bot, they may have screwed themselves - watch to see if= they relist them - bettcha they show up again! > How can they bid at the same exact second? >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "kc8gpd" wrote: > > > > Motherf@#$ing shill bots!!!! :( > >=20 > > http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=3D290361635101 > >=20 > > screwed at the last second more then likely by a shill bidder. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Oct 29 05:38:14 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1022 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2009 12:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2009 12:38:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2009 12:38:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1256819889; bh=TDmI78QhzQ52nN4MofKhGMzyuplEf/VCmD9LtKsbnUc=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:X-Received:X-Mailer:Date:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=gc2tk6oK6Lr7mfz7Fyy+sIAGuEpik3qiZTu23YkAqRew5MtVDHhZZQv2NJ/mWPJjb+Pg0Jmj5AphfeL8ea/8KpZaN09Zi20e0SqiNt9oggO0+0oy/4t7F32CnQueWLxJ Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2009 12:38:09 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2009 12:38:09 -0000 X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10469 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2009 21:24:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2009 21:24:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2009 21:24:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29403 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 2009 21:24:28 -0000 Message-ID: <4439.28962.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: au_BblUVM1n1.RQdMTwIwqAliTF3lWliMQ5oSGJuFl1B4vu4Hx9NPub.S6hpJXGa_utQJQDRppp31G7dWV5N3Soab86Vz47H6j08L6tK7sx8am6ZDs1OjBPUzoatdLFE6UVa.i8UOZo0R.OPLKZCDSgi.Y4OHL0E1fd2TktVjtNNz1zfT82qS49IF0AC3dNR.JwomY3MZgEfPI3_yhRVnI0xvvc47cWrIlIkTS330fQUXn370vKLpc3UWfHPmZffhTXyCksBmoAR7flWLD8WvhxWfzMX6iKCdFejAqYkzJt4.MacgmuBX8A6TScgBsm3SzXC.mdp0WkBc0eYRrth7EH3hSt9s2wB0Z8QhWbbom.hRfyNi2IxtSBxyjuiK1vd9YXRtxlTodkfY90NVhD3htfjZFoqYA-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:24:27 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.3 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:24:27 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:2:2:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Here is an interesting article from Radio World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=AmGsk5CWogN3q_XMQun-jpqVtfBbOO8-vZdapzHuGCmBAw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-YGroups-SubInfo: t=0;f=16;g=G9Tgo1UBevsiHLvn6tClp2G9WmJc5M0wY2Oi89stVUuiDk9awgh4xURvc4OZenCRZ1k; X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Oct 2009 12:38:08 -0000 Well, I'll be darned! =A0Somebody in the business still "gets it"! =A0Now a= ll we need to do is make a few hundred clones of this guy, and plant one in= every AM station on the continent.In the end, he calls for a BIG promotion= ...how about running C-QUAM, up to AMAX audio standards, with music, and gi= ving away inexpensive AM Stereo receivers?Of course, I won't hold my breath= , cuz I look even uglier in blue skin...George=A0 --- On Tue, 10/20/09, pdmtr wrote: From: pdmtr Subject: {AMSF} Here is an interesting article from Radio World To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 12:22 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 Here is an interesting article from Radio World http://72.52. 213.140/article/ 88604=20 I liked the writter comment on IBOC: "1.IBOC at night didn't work, doesn't work and won't work. Turn it off at n= ight until a fix is found and proven"=20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Oct 29 05:38:32 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 68538 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2009 12:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2009 12:38:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2009 12:38:32 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1256819900; bh=bh/HKOpjeqvRb0smzqJm8f+t/XKB2YHEoJuAR1eTVoI=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Message-ID:To:Date:Importance:In-Reply-To:References:MIME-Version:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=O5/wH7ylmj7OZBPMZogfUOUsMCaEqvFQjPPr2zOfCdvDvaspRrquVCkxxlm4QBg5qom19LZjq5FcbR/z1UwyHO5T5Ct4XgwpGsvX1MvmPooWHatpvRNvVhjO90QYSSoE Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2009 12:38:20 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2009 12:38:20 -0000 X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45924 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2009 23:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2009 23:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s17.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.220) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2009 23:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W15 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s17.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:52:00 -0700 Message-ID: To: AM Stereo Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:52:00 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2009 23:52:00.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[50C51D60:01CA51E0] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:2:2:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Here is an interesting article from Radio World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=E8bFp5HDHpqZUswpNZEuSKRE6Nh6j9pS4m3-DKGittBwAWwFQD-s X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-YGroups-SubInfo: t=0;f=0;g=WCIq7TCsGXAEUZE_qLkjQnrT_o84iS6pR_IE6CZvyCs4UiQsL0dBKmyGDqTfsUOpRY4; X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Oct 2009 12:38:20 -0000 A most interesting article. The author obviously has much experience in radio and a love of AM. MTGC (Michael) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: pdmtr@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:22:39 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Here is an interesting article from Radio World Here is an interesting article from Radio World http://72.52.213.140/article/88604 I liked the writter comment on IBOC: "1.IBOC at night didn't work, doesn't work and won't work. Turn it off at night until a fix is found and proven" _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Oct 29 05:39:02 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70597 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2009 12:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2009 12:39:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2009 12:39:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1256819910; bh=Kbh27DBszUDqBbUy6FPcotbCvpTy9xThMhSPJPG2xl4=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Message-ID:To:Date:Importance:In-Reply-To:References:MIME-Version:X-OriginalArrivalTime:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=cjqfUjYWcL5RbBc2LdpR/QXepjz/leGqCCBb6emWq7ae4ZbWk16UNCHdoBWrCDYGdqW67TDxpjSOyfZEtRQwJLP+Z3oKWjrZxp7g3ZGKK9NEs/LIq5DixsIdzoy0/s5C Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2009 12:38:30 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Oct 2009 12:38:30 -0000 X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93914 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2009 22:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m8.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Oct 2009 22:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s12.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Oct 2009 22:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W4 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s12.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:33:24 -0700 Message-ID: To: am stereo Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:33:25 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2009 22:33:24.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[80948D50:01CA529E] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:2:2:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Here is an interesting article from Radio World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=ZbK5RoRUg2vfNs_43w85RhlsLwCxK1Y6AD74wD9nRPo_4dDh64FV-m-dUCg X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-YGroups-SubInfo: t=0;f=4;g=1YYC2pQrHXjNlAXRUB1O6dv6AtXIgu7XJpQ1FBbvVd8RMdl1KRh-Zviog56T3kwSISk; X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: kevtronics via web; 29 Oct 2009 12:38:30 -0000 Thanks, pdmtr for the interesting article by Mark Heller of WGBW radio in Wisconsin. Luckily for me, the link worked! Very interesting article full of common sense (which isn't so common anymore) and relatively inexpensive suggestions on how to improve the A.M. band. donn, st. petersburg To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: pdmtr@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:22:39 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Here is an interesting article from Radio World Here is an interesting article from Radio World http://72.52.213.140/article/88604 I liked the writter comment on IBOC: "1.IBOC at night didn't work, doesn't work and won't work. Turn it off at night until a fix is found and proven" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Oct 29 22:36:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62475 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2009 05:36:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2009 05:36:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2009 05:36:52 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9U5aowk014523 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:36:50 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.cd5.5d15efcf (14457) for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:32:30 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Pirate Radio Movie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ykN7b1ZyYwm5_o3rjvQV6uF_R5VseAlDWEZoiJqs8Te8EoI95UXEF3lcXUwsSpa_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a movie coming out about pirate radio in the UK in the 60s. It appears to be loosely based on real life Radio Caroline / Ross Revenge. By "pirate", I don't mean some guy from the AV Club who managed to hookup his sister's record player to a ham transmitter. Radio Caroline was powered by nothing less than a ship-borne RCA 50kW Ampliphase transmitter driving a shunt-fed mast. The bilge was filled with cement as ballast to keep the mast from tipping the ship. Floating in salt water just outside UK territorial limit, it had an excellent ground and great signal path. The staff worked in shifts and lived aboard the Ross Revenge. I bet more than the UK broadcast regulations were not being enforced. Those were the days. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Oct 30 06:00:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12097 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2009 12:59:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Oct 2009 12:59:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2009 12:59:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2009 12:59:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Oct 2009 12:59:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:59:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Here is an interesting article from Radio World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=L3EAt7r09yO3JmfZ311mClgmR2Ixq_sCmpdSxPPel_gj0XwizLUgKqc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio As we all know, AM is STILL FIXABLE, and C-QUAM with receiver standards is = the fix once IBOC is shut-off and the X-banders give-up their original freq= uencies. Great comments here:=20 http://72.52.213.140/article/88604=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 30 17:50:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78732 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2009 00:50:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2009 00:50:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2009 00:50:35 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.76] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091030195009103072900010.0) with SMTP id <20091030195009103072900010> for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:50:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006401ca59c4$2976e400$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:50:09 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Here is an interesting article from Radio World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=OQnmHCigfcuh_P-VlQNRhXuuYfIXhMPOoFeouyVXFD1tNJ1PNQu3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem is a lot of those original signals are now being used for ethnic programming. You'll hear no end of the howls of protest if they have to go away. Now if the FCC had disallowed the program splitting in the first place we wouldn't be in this mess, but the genie is out of the bottle. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:00 AM As we all know, AM is STILL FIXABLE, and C-QUAM with receiver standards is the fix once IBOC is shut-off and the X-banders give-up their original frequencies. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Oct 30 17:54:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3818 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2009 00:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2009 00:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2009 00:54:29 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.76] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091030195415100369200010.0) with SMTP id <20091030195415100369200010> for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:54:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009501ca59c4$bbee5020$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:54:15 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate Radio Movie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=R49dwN-E0KLZb9HVW2tR9T46RVQDXLGHiCQn75Qy2eeffnTCD4Pz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I've heard of this too. Any idea if it'll be released to the US, or do they think the average American doesn't know enough about it to even be interested? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com There is a movie coming out about pirate radio in the UK in the 60s. It appears to be loosely based on real life Radio Caroline / Ross Revenge. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Fri Oct 30 18:25:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37538 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2009 01:25:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2009 01:25:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2009 01:25:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2009 01:24:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Oct 2009 01:24:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:24:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <009501ca59c4$bbee5020$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate Radio Movie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=db7UUWWOQ0OA5AzOfCNGIqT8BAljqnhbJPPjbiD0rjs9 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd I have it already. video and audio as clean as DVD. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I think I've heard of this too. Any idea if it'll be released to the US,= or do they think the average American doesn't know enough about it to even= be interested? >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: mjgrant@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 >=20 > There is a movie coming out about pirate radio in the UK in the 60s. I= t=20 > appears to be loosely based on real life Radio Caroline / Ross Revenge. >=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Oct 30 19:01:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93683 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2009 02:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2009 02:01:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f190.google.com) (209.85.211.190) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2009 02:01:25 -0000 X-Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so3276749ywh.16 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:01:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.188.5 with SMTP id l5mr12086ybf.312.1256954484807; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from experiend5683a (97-115-192-26.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.192.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1302377ywi.42.2009.10.30.19.01.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20EF76D68E274F41B968DFDFCB652464@experiend5683a> To: References: Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:01:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate Radio Movie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=pEOpw_YN7jndleySdDMPrhfOgFwIoUUZ0_qwZOWNv6kX9wjqOq4I Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where did you get it from? ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:24 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate Radio Movie I have it already. video and audio as clean as DVD. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > I think I've heard of this too. Any idea if it'll be released to the US, or do they think the average American doesn't know enough about it to even be interested? > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mjgrant@... > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > There is a movie coming out about pirate radio in the UK in the 60s. It > appears to be loosely based on real life Radio Caroline / Ross Revenge. > > > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Oct 31 13:06:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70607 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2009 20:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Oct 2009 20:05:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2009 20:05:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3159 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Oct 2009 20:05:56 -0000 Message-ID: <543581.3104.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6dAWlFIVM1kPLXRbUb5iRboPyPQDoJ7iqsFAvxDQNw_E07NRIr8T3kzn8ziWavy256cVSi8S_BCrR_AUMYo1otivkcFKSG60inIbLglirNyQsCHTbRTGw.m9b1fL9B644zLnCiXju8Y4cjgqwd2d7NuX2vn687QJShhjpkmQJoxMDnyl_0ujwl5LdKG_OH5G3yg.5kgEHVNgDtAZ7emkfbnNL0nFwPL0FqyJ4wJNEPnQcSxrExe1W0kDjUosDPzNyfvkDdDo.c3.MsbzoLGwtoMKuqnvWa3k_ier4FByGguqW.BtAYQPE5XuAeyPpqZOeqQZ8j5sI74AuFU_mrfsbxB4NeOML83Cb1H1qcCPC8.NpSOSDXDkSpyHzAT_dLDBoAXnpiX44qH7t2LArLa.VsAy4JT3bmkQ3KZy3OjdUexgsF9IloJoB_9UdyldIyv3k6_b.wpDPz3HH8O4e4j_1qUdfzfg3cInXGqoBvswtQNKrG.GFwMQs0EwCtWdSVJsknsmRg-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:05:55 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:05:55 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20EF76D68E274F41B968DFDFCB652464@experiend5683a> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate Radio Movie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=OtHa3nHFcGZqJbRXrrI3aVHbnSM0usZndGm-xnLnahLytA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is the Ross Revenge the one that sank with (gasp!) a 317c on board? :>( --- On Fri, 10/30/09, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate Radio Movie To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 10:01 PM =20 =A0 =20=20=20=20 where did you get it from? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kc8gpd=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:24 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate Radio Movie I have it already. video and audio as clean as DVD. --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, wrote: > > I think I've heard of this too. Any idea if it'll be released to the US= , or do they think the average American doesn't know enough about it to eve= n be interested? >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: mjgrant@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > There is a movie coming out about pirate radio in the UK in the 60s. It= =20 > appears to be loosely based on real life Radio Caroline / Ross Revenge. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfam= ily .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =09 =09=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 01 13:23:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73241 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2009 21:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2009 21:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 21:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.128] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091101152308001122000011.0) with SMTP id <20091101152308001122000011> for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:23:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009201ca5b39$94e9e360$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <543581.3104.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:23:08 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate Radio Movie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=sxZK95HLDxhLLHxODKZ31in_msP8e29lCDu3MKAeO81pV27E_a1y X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone written a book on pirate radio ships? I think that would be a fun read, especially if it also contained the technical details. The one pirate I always wanted to hear was the Dutch pirate Radio Noordzee Intl. Heard they had a 10kW RCA SW transmitter aboard, but I didn't have a good enough receiver at the time. Last I knew that ship was purchased by some Middle Eastern outfit, but even that was many years ago, probably early 80s. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:06 PM Is the Ross Revenge the one that sank with (gasp!) a 317c on board? :>( --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 01 14:58:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27150 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2009 22:57:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Nov 2009 22:57:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2009 22:57:55 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA1MvKBW024809 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:57:20 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bce.52e1cb3b (32913) for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:57:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:57:14 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: RE: Pirate Radio Movie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=yo6s3jrx4n4fiqgDDvj_4diPqU-QaUWRLiA6kwYOqr4He9cCNV-3o2eFLTZgG0jR X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Ross Revenge websight out of the UK is now the repository of all things Ampliphase. Click here: Ross Revenge - Transmitter Room - Ampliphase Theory Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 01 16:37:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54879 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2009 00:37:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Nov 2009 00:37:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2009 00:37:03 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.128] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091101183622000161400010.0) with SMTP id <20091101183622000161400010> for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:36:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010501ca5b54$947ed140$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:36:22 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Pirate Radio Movie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=6XT5h8XcxqiBkZj3UHqu9iZLiEWs5ZNiiMUVztyi_r44yUUKiyJG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nothing to click on- the url data seems to have been stripped off. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 4:58 PM Subject: {AMSF} RE: Pirate Radio Movie The Ross Revenge websight out of the UK is now the repository of all things Ampliphase. Click here: Ross Revenge - Transmitter Room - Ampliphase Theory Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Mon Nov 02 17:45:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62399 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 01:45:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2009 01:45:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 01:45:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2009 01:43:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2009 01:43:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:43:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006401ca59c4$2976e400$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Here is an interesting article from Radio World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=HpLcIxHbYNRQ656fB1HS_JkFw3N3xdLLS5kzxfDJLCAoR85DPkxbFUOX X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon How many of those signals (of stations that were supposed to move to the ex= panded band) are there still on the air? Here in the Portland area, we use= d to have KKSL 1290/KDZR 1640, until KKSL signed off early in 2006. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > The problem is a lot of those original signals are now being used for eth= nic programming. You'll hear no end of the howls of protest if they have t= o go away. Now if the FCC had disallowed the program splitting in the firs= t place we wouldn't be in this mess, but the genie is out of the bottle. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: toledohamradio=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:00 AM >=20 > As we all know, AM is STILL FIXABLE, and C-QUAM with receiver standards= is the fix once IBOC is shut-off and the X-banders give-up their original = frequencies.=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 02 19:22:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6611 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2009 03:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2009 03:22:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2009 03:22:26 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nA33MPkB002015 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:22:25 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d0e.59781393 (41809) for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:22:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:22:19 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} RE: Pirate Radio Movie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cNtp0oUVJ1n3KHsBfL9VbnKKekQQe1ISh36t16M8ANNpBb758xEPDlLgJ_JUmSX9 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/1/09 6:37:21 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Nothing to click on- the url data seems to have been stripped off. > I wonder how come? Just Google Ampliphase and Ross Revenge. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Nov 05 18:04:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50021 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2009 02:03:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2009 02:03:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2009 02:03:57 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.181] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091105200311002922600010.0) with SMTP id <20091105200311002922600010> for ; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:03:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002501ca5e85$6423a780$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:03:11 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Here is an interesting article from Radio World X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=8GIZLMTq7wpQrzxl3nU76AHJMthys27JM2INGh32tIVxpAtTVJ1Z X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can think of two of them- WTDA 1480 Madison WI which is doing a regional Mexican format while WTDY does talk on 1670. The other is in Cedar Rapids IA (don't remember the calls) but the old frequency is also doing some sort of hispanic format while their EB on 1650 is doing sports talk. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: AlfredoT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Here is an interesting article from Radio World How many of those signals (of stations that were supposed to move to the expanded band) are there still on the air? Here in the Portland area, we used to have KKSL 1290/KDZR 1640, until KKSL signed off early in 2006. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > The problem is a lot of those original signals are now being used for ethnic programming. You'll hear no end of the howls of protest if they have to go away. Now if the FCC had disallowed the program splitting in the first place we wouldn't be in this mess, but the genie is out of the bottle. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: toledohamradio > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:00 AM > > As we all know, AM is STILL FIXABLE, and C-QUAM with receiver standards is the fix once IBOC is shut-off and the X-banders give-up their original frequencies. > > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kc8gpd@hotmail.com Mon Nov 09 03:52:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc8gpd@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24465 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2009 11:52:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2009 11:52:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 11:52:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2009 11:51:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2009 11:51:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:51:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20EF76D68E274F41B968DFDFCB652464@experiend5683a> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.80.192.225 From: "kc8gpd" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate Radio Movie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=62618005; y=bz-q1XOaAVCyBLHv31-6wLJrmJvwzjPKDTOk7n-cLn0M X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8gpd i used utorrent... http://www.utorrent.com along with this linksite http://www.thepiratebay.com here is a torrent link to the movie http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/5053393/The_Boat_That_Rocked_2009_Xvid_DVD= Rip-WAS.5053393.TPB.torrent then you need the klite mega codec pack to watch it. enjoy :) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > where did you get it from? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kc8gpd=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:24 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate Radio Movie >=20 >=20 > I have it already. video and audio as clean as DVD. >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > I think I've heard of this too. Any idea if it'll be released to the = US, or do they think the average American doesn't know enough about it to e= ven be interested? > >=20 > > Scott Todd > >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: mjgrant@=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > >=20 > > There is a movie coming out about pirate radio in the UK in the 60s. = It=20 > > appears to be loosely based on real life Radio Caroline / Ross Reveng= e. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usf= amily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Nov 09 11:00:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55821 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2009 19:00:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2009 19:00:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 19:00:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2009 18:59:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2009 18:59:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:59:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.61.144 From: "jotape1960" Subject: IF filters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=aLsffsd7u007tZkw8S521F3SFgaqXHIojoll5o-NM28H2LvgBA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Time ago, somebody in this forum wrote a web address to get tuner IF filter= s, but the link didn't work. I wonder if someone in this forum knows where = can I buy those filters (10kHz audio bandwidth, 450 and/or 455 kHz). Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 09 13:48:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40326 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2009 21:48:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2009 21:48:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f214.google.com) (209.85.218.214) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 21:48:04 -0000 X-Received: by bwz6 with SMTP id 6so4025518bwz.11 for ; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:48:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.154.150 with SMTP id o22mr2655157bkw.154.1257803282016; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:48:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm150640fks.33.2009.11.09.13.47.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:48:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:47:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.218.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} IF filters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=6_G0BRiq7CshijydvPnSVCl9a7dv-mF-hgcG9So8eHnA-25geBWP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i also would like these ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:59 PM Subject: {AMSF} IF filters =20=20=20=20 Hi Gang!!! Time ago, somebody in this forum wrote a web address to get tuner IF filt= ers, but the link didn't work. I wonder if someone in this forum knows wher= e can I buy those filters (10kHz audio bandwidth, 450 and/or 455 kHz). Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 09 17:05:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22712 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2009 01:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2009 01:05:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2009 01:05:23 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.130] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091109190417002050300010.0) with SMTP id <20091109190417002050300010> for ; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002501ca61a1$d8a80780$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:17 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate Radio Movie X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=vTxpc8fXtFbVVdBbUGGt91SGBr5mPitbu_IY0BRQWqi7CUnE8Xc1 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm on dial-up so I probably won't be seeing it. ST ----- Original Message ----- From: kc8gpd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 5:52 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate Radio Movie i used utorrent... http://www.utorrent.com along with this linksite http://www.thepiratebay.com here is a torrent link to the movie http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/5053393/The_Boat_That_Rocked_2009_Xvid_DVDRip-WAS.5053393.TPB.torrent then you need the klite mega codec pack to watch it. enjoy :) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > where did you get it from? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kc8gpd > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:24 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Pirate Radio Movie > > > I have it already. video and audio as clean as DVD. > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > I think I've heard of this too. Any idea if it'll be released to the US, or do they think the average American doesn't know enough about it to even be interested? > > > > Scott Todd > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: mjgrant@ > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > > > There is a movie coming out about pirate radio in the UK in the 60s. It > > appears to be loosely based on real life Radio Caroline / Ross Revenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 10 08:15:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14975 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2009 16:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2009 16:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2009 16:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2009 16:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2009 16:13:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:13:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: IF filters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=_ohbSn-ce3o0jsThwSrcRFdXOyh4xx8CuQqIUGP_0ZRdZpU8Mmwhn6s X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio MuRata USED to make some really nice 6 pole 450KHz I.F. filters, but I don'= t know if they do anymore or if another vendor purchased their company, but= they used to have some great AM stereo I.F. filters for 6KHz, 7.5KHz and 1= 0KHz (and even had a 12.5KHz for used in the outback of Oz)! John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Time ago, somebody in this forum wrote a web address to get tuner IF filt= ers, but the link didn't work. I wonder if someone in this forum knows wher= e can I buy those filters (10kHz audio bandwidth, 450 and/or 455 kHz). >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Fri Nov 13 12:36:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42046 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2009 20:36:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2009 20:36:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2009 20:36:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2009 20:35:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2009 20:35:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:35:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=cdGK6aILxt2_JWWJqMBiV95xYSjoO0ar9elFwSGD3bGCc3k0kQu70ZOl X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon The only radio station licensed to Stayton, OR broadcasts a Spanish languag= e Christian fromat. Several months ago, a local musician and luthier by th= e name of Ken Cartwright decided to fill what he saw as a void in the Stayt= on radio dial by putting an unlicensed, (supposedly) Part 15 compliant AM s= tation on the air. His station broadcast community focused news and live m= usic. The station debuted and operated with much fanfare. It was located in a st= orefront in downtown Stayton (pictures can be found on the station's websit= e at http://www.kencradio.com/ ), and it received press coverage several ti= mes in Salem News and The Oregonian, as well as on Oregon Public Broadcasti= ng. Cartwright broadcast on 1620 kHz, using a Part 15 compliant transmitter and= a 3 meter vertical whip antenna (see http://www.kencradio.com/images/uploa= ded/Our%20primary%20antenna.jpg and http://www.kencradio.com/images/uploade= d/Our%20primary%20antenna%20full%20view.jpg ). However, as these photos sh= ow, the transmitter and antenna were mounted atop a 40' radio tower. Doing= this caused the efficiency of the system to exceed Part 15 limits, as the = FCC Enforcement officer who investigated this case outlined in his report (= see http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-294572A1.html ). --Alfredo From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Nov 13 15:49:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27399 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2009 23:49:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Nov 2009 23:49:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2009 23:49:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28809 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2009 23:49:14 -0000 Message-ID: <567085.27833.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 2sc6tuoVM1knoKTptuFyTdPt1OyID_6.u6tV5ctpZAwUOcakb7ouz9dkHceQaDCo63XkDzntYvvF_sdYEAPFmpmZfvnm3xd6ZXnAZ1M0o3CiV7ZspbtlOQj21y7LjznyptfBWjBmoN7uZa8XjhxeZTNFAUvUphHgOVg44QqhqRVHMgXGh727zf4JfF9WfQfQ3OavxZKLzNjd0sYcSGnAtc4zXBB05anRlo3IniI9rEZqI1q.sh7cH4WvPKvAqqBznzZKtaYc2bEhFNdPFdEs7CZZWEiMhkyc.03bx5bzJ7GyuMPlkU__xaRDJHpkZ5Q8WcUe4fycPBF5AHw5x3wPTC8MZ1UV1lAHtD7EZzCCrPVtaSA0XCF6v0hrknbEilyGwLuBfIBu_mhQ6iV38AaxQ6sY0l6lpJVb1lJC4dlMzxSTQcXhwt6vaVsdwuVgyqMXrWDT4mkEVn8bqDWzhMzGuIVfYFBaEEyUz8TVQaOfsyBTJsbvcfasEL0pEyiYiAXi4pgyS07aZaa.mqIaQDPzCbFzgAZnUITzz3Ozwv18gHbgrXEoYhNpevivINUUIKgi9NQk4e0kClKzLBAKmqSV43Y1RPbsT3dPMSG0cQt_1r.VJuWPysb4pJ3awFNXku8ISJsX16hSuwTLPKRib1DopsBuqbThKNTtyhFNvRU2jsVa7H50MW8lWWkhwxQuOn.dwE3O9JESK_0N9lHsklq_pb0uQPBl9wp0J5kRgZxHMTjQETtDjzwg6wesQkrdAB.WdcXrE_yKkBeGjzCIahoHCXK64gkcq1huKb0mqgn5fr3AxplmYJQ7tAnI.WSS9jhtQukNRuVhxfIAay.433NG.IkGom5N6m1rEI3_RT_tojAJF68kwVgYGDnVZViwxgHlKcetOt6Pv3w8nH55hOOf0rcb.GLJFYYOgxT36.qvjkRMDE_A31zloAXwoXYFl1Qsu.QHXyfYZlZlYP0Bl4zTNsiYFBreQ.JgTvOIoHh4BtoV3rvlIHCxAx4O03kRyG5hjs3E0.ebT0LbaCsF92mDXXHsf_JnYZoxNCs0m7uIrSMW81yMaODFsH.s3RoziwxsYd3GshtmfhIxjOllrbLaNhCC9cpvYOr2oEYxwu4PYdk3A.rS9LxMzOVlByfuueC3qJ7r63eUFBxjKYCs00Gw0L5coNkBBhX9aBFlNMX3cfKjBRtc5H2UfQ5Oi3tcPOjvfDNpsgQBjngmvEOqHWBw1PbT2sqwSldd2agZsM_e9hxLCeAQOWGm_OYKYO6eZVbvrSSQrHZOkHH_7ktXnUbjeTXFfv9OaGBc0q867HaT9.NYDuQrsKRLxNpOAh3VoEKQktmA_TMKPKZJZA3Ka7Onu8wbOycisw95ccSu726SHcaTmmpFWQW08W3IY4XvBnlYa3TipB.m8FzJJ8x10ROVND8r2n05rhOY3BNk1_W04pevM9bTMT5I9ehhPjT2xuID1nI- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:49:14 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:49:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=mnuwvT623mOKpHmeRB1mQ2KUq6-jxTUtywcw8rulNF3zfA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know how I'D answer those charges...with a LINEAR! =C2=A0When enough peop= le have had enough of corporate broadcasting, and start fighting back with = kilowatts instead of words,change WILL come. =C2=A0God bless the good pirat= es! =C2=A0(Rebel? =C2=A0You're damn right I am!)G =C2=A0 --- On Fri, 11/13/09, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent L= iability by the FCC! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 3:35 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 The only radio station licensed to Stayton, OR broadcasts a Spanish l= anguage Christian fromat. Several months ago, a local musician and luthier= by the name of Ken Cartwright decided to fill what he saw as a void in the= Stayton radio dial by putting an unlicensed, (supposedly) Part 15 complian= t AM station on the air. His station broadcast community focused news and = live music. The station debuted and operated with much fanfare. It was located in a st= orefront in downtown Stayton (pictures can be found on the station's websit= e at http://www.kencradi o.com/ ), and it received press coverage several t= imes in Salem News and The Oregonian, as well as on Oregon Public Broadcast= ing. Cartwright broadcast on 1620 kHz, using a Part 15 compliant transmitter and= a 3 meter vertical whip antenna (see http://www.kencradi o.com/images/ upl= oaded/ Our%20primary% 20antenna. jpg and http://www.kencradi o.com/images/ = uploaded/ Our%20primary% 20antenna% 20full%20view. jpg ). However, as thes= e photos show, the transmitter and antenna were mounted atop a 40' radio to= wer. Doing this caused the efficiency of the system to exceed Part 15 limi= ts, as the FCC Enforcement officer who investigated this case outlined in h= is report (see http://www.fcc. gov/eb/FieldNoti ces/2003/ DOC-294572A1. htm= l ). --Alfredo =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 13 16:58:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19493 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2009 00:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2009 00:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2009 00:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAE0wUfe016092 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:58:30 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d31.5b9cec74 (41811) for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:58:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:58:28 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Bc38cHcXZocfPHHC2UtatIQfzRkut83G3o8GxHq_L4nLqINn1RIOnD77_uWykhfZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are two compliance criteria. First is the 15 uV at Lamda / 2PI which is generally applied to carrier current systems which doesn't really apply here. Second is the 100 mW / 3m standard which applies to intentional radiators which applies to this case. Essentially, the field strength doesn't matter, only the elements of the system. I am not certain what the field engineer refers to as an "unshielded radiator". If it is simply a grounded tower, then there is FCC case law that a grounded structure of any dimension is permissible so long as the combination of ground and antenna leads plus the antenna does not exceed 3 meters. He needs to appeal. I think I can find the ruling. What does concern me is the field intensity measurement. I do not know if a field of 4.0 mV/m at that distance can be achieved with only 100 mW of input into any configuration of transmitter I know of. I don't recall getting that kind of signal from a very high efficiency 100 mW transmitter into an actual halfwave broadcast tower with a full ground counterpoise. If the operator is certain his transmitter is compliant, I can write the field engineer about the ground issue. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 13 19:14:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77245 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2009 03:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2009 03:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2009 03:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAE3EURJ029320 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:14:30 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d49.5a1ef2ef (41811) for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:14:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:14:25 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fLnCu6AalxFV2L1slQJ4mRdAmYraB2Si3sQHX26UHM9MKOgJTHln26Faa429A7_c X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the guy is getting a bum rap. I assume by the context, he wasn't broadcasting anything offensive nor was there any mention of interference with a licensed service. Although what constitutes a ground lead can be defined as the external conductor between the transmitter and ground, Part 15 is ambiguous when it comes what constitutes "ground". Ambiguities in the law are construed against the writer. The LPB units were type approved and went to heroic lengths to comply with Part 15 intentional radiator regulations. They had an integrated 96-in. steel whip and a metal enclosure which bolted to a grounded structure which provided the ground. I find nothing in the regulations that gives one grounded support structure preference over another. A steel mast is just another support structure assuming there are no insulators or chokes along its length. By the field engineer's interpretation, the transmitter and antenna would have to be sitting on terra firma (dirt) with isolated supply and audio lines so the returns would not be considered ground extentions. The field he measured seems a bit high, but possible. A halfwave broadcast tower produces a field intensity of around 400 mV/m at 1 km for 1 kw of input. One hundred milliwatts is 1/10,000th of a kilowatt. Since the power ratio is the square of the field ratio, it would produce 1/100th of the field or 4mV/m at 1 km. At the measured 132 meters, that would be equal to a field of 30 mV/m. The field engineer only measured a field strength of 4 mV/m or about 13% of what a halfwave vertical radiator would produce. Ordinarily, a 3m whip at 1620 khz without a ground counterpoise is far less efficient that 13% of a regular broadcast tower. That is what may have made the field engineer suspicious. However, if he suspected the transmitter was overpowered, he should have measured it. What the guy could do is mount the transmitter to a one foot square piece of double sided G-10 with one side bonded to the transmitter ground and the other bonded to the grounded mast and put RF chokes on the power supply and audio lead wires. The transmitter ground is then "isolated" from the mast. He can then adjust the loading coil to null out the side to side capacitance of the G-10 board. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Nov 13 19:34:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77047 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2009 03:34:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2009 03:34:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f188.google.com) (209.85.211.188) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2009 03:34:20 -0000 X-Received: by ywh26 with SMTP id 26so3631901ywh.12 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:34:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.203.25 with SMTP id f25mr745956agq.13.1258169659600; Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:34:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm711176yxg.10.2009.11.13.19.34.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:34:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <28E3ED9A2C974CEE8C029494E376B0F4@experien120f09> To: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:34:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=hlfXN4q3XJzj8njfB1pKJqzEKlKjcDLXgKagBe5NjhIq6tFA3RsH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello does either ixist? if so where can I find out more? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 13 22:25:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92632 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2009 06:25:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2009 06:25:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2009 06:25:02 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAE6NtnU024836 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:23:55 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bff.6cf4188c (14501) for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:23:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:23:51 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Equipment Certification Requirements and Fines X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zBKf2Hzv2UNTNuFuzE7QP3W47QH79oGCuVxdsh9HMPzUOOyAsipCEumOBnRkEJNy X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those who are interested. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 14 16:32:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78361 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 00:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 00:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 00:32:14 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.107] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091114183142000833900010.0) with SMTP id <20091114183142000833900010> for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:31:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003401ca658b$2797cdc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <28E3ED9A2C974CEE8C029494E376B0F4@experien120f09> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:31:42 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=XXG6Bci-6pIoJ4YPA6hPkujurqJ-PtXoY_VeNuo5YrRCFz7OeIdD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No on both counts. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? hello does either ixist? if so where can I find out more? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 14 16:40:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4646 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 00:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 00:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 00:40:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.107] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091114184017002160300011.0) with SMTP id <20091114184017002160300011> for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:40:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004e01ca658c$5a26cec0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <567085.27833.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:40:17 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=NhhhnWAb0qSv_nPChb4WYuxCjUgvGfCyIi2BIPNckCyE_4BrRQxl X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How many times over would that have to happen to get the desired results? = How many people have the resources and the knowledge to pull it off? I'll = be glad to help you with it if you're so inclined. You come up with the tr= ansmitter, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! =20=20=20=20 I know how I'D answer those charges...with a LINEAR! When enough people = have had enough of corporate broadcasting, and start fighting back with kil= owatts instead of words,change WILL come. God bless the good pirates! (Re= bel? You're damn right I am!)G=20=20 --- On Fri, 11/13/09, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent= Liability by the FCC! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 3:35 PM =20=20=20 The only radio station licensed to Stayton, OR broadcasts a Spanish langu= age Christian fromat. Several months ago, a local musician and luthier by t= he name of Ken Cartwright decided to fill what he saw as a void in the Stay= ton radio dial by putting an unlicensed, (supposedly) Part 15 compliant AM = station on the air. His station broadcast community focused news and live m= usic. The station debuted and operated with much fanfare. It was located in a s= torefront in downtown Stayton (pictures can be found on the station's websi= te at http://www.kencradi o.com/ ), and it received press coverage several = times in Salem News and The Oregonian, as well as on Oregon Public Broadcas= ting. Cartwright broadcast on 1620 kHz, using a Part 15 compliant transmitter a= nd a 3 meter vertical whip antenna (see http://www.kencradi o.com/images/ u= ploaded/ Our%20primary% 20antenna. jpg and http://www.kencradi o.com/images= / uploaded/ Our%20primary% 20antenna% 20full%20view. jpg ). However, as the= se photos show, the transmitter and antenna were mounted atop a 40' radio t= ower. Doing this caused the efficiency of the system to exceed Part 15 limi= ts, as the FCC Enforcement officer who investigated this case outlined in h= is report (see http://www.fcc. gov/eb/FieldNoti ces/2003/ DOC-294572A1. htm= l ). --Alfredo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Nov 14 16:44:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71742 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 00:44:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 00:44:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f41.google.com) (209.85.160.41) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 00:44:38 -0000 X-Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so2701292pwj.0 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:44:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.115.133.39 with SMTP id k39mr11010603wan.94.1258245878621; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:44:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm347496pzk.2.2009.11.14.16.44.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:44:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: <567085.27833.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004e01ca658c$5a26cec0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:44:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=JB445im2fxXerPyWYiXps4C-Tn8Ux3Xlu1uDSDQiUv1BjnZ9gxs5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will do I will blast my signal to folks I am serious cout me in 120 percent ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:40 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! =20=20=20=20 How many times over would that have to happen to get the desired results?= How many people have the resources and the knowledge to pull it off? I'll = be glad to help you with it if you're so inclined. You come up with the tra= nsmitter, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! I know how I'D answer those charges...with a LINEAR! When enough people h= ave had enough of corporate broadcasting, and start fighting back with kilo= watts instead of words,change WILL come. God bless the good pirates! (Rebel= ? You're damn right I am!)G=20 --- On Fri, 11/13/09, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent= Liability by the FCC! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 3:35 PM The only radio station licensed to Stayton, OR broadcasts a Spanish langu= age Christian fromat. Several months ago, a local musician and luthier by t= he name of Ken Cartwright decided to fill what he saw as a void in the Stay= ton radio dial by putting an unlicensed, (supposedly) Part 15 compliant AM = station on the air. His station broadcast community focused news and live m= usic. The station debuted and operated with much fanfare. It was located in a s= torefront in downtown Stayton (pictures can be found on the station's websi= te at http://www.kencradi o.com/ ), and it received press coverage several = times in Salem News and The Oregonian, as well as on Oregon Public Broadcas= ting. Cartwright broadcast on 1620 kHz, using a Part 15 compliant transmitter a= nd a 3 meter vertical whip antenna (see http://www.kencradi o.com/images/ u= ploaded/ Our%20primary% 20antenna. jpg and http://www.kencradi o.com/images= / uploaded/ Our%20primary% 20antenna% 20full%20view. jpg ). However, as the= se photos show, the transmitter and antenna were mounted atop a 40' radio t= ower. Doing this caused the efficiency of the system to exceed Part 15 limi= ts, as the FCC Enforcement officer who investigated this case outlined in h= is report (see http://www.fcc. gov/eb/FieldNoti ces/2003/ DOC-294572A1. htm= l ). --Alfredo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Nov 14 16:45:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82822 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 00:45:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 00:45:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f196.google.com) (209.85.222.196) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 00:45:23 -0000 X-Received: by pzk34 with SMTP id 34so3268915pzk.11 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:45:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.165.15 with SMTP id n15mr10987905wae.89.1258245921907; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:45:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm398857pzk.4.2009.11.14.16.45.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:45:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <66B4992461F04B9BABE5491FF6731BC9@experien120f09> To: References: <28E3ED9A2C974CEE8C029494E376B0F4@experien120f09> <003401ca658b$2797cdc0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:45:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Tp_cFULR0EXyhlei-AAfLC9aq3xb5twoA7B-M_sMPPNi0Y2gexFO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks fore the info ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:31 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? No on both counts. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? hello does either ixist? if so where can I find out more? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 14 16:47:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6791 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 00:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 00:47:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 00:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.107] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091114184653002868800011.0) with SMTP id <20091114184653002868800011> for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:46:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005901ca658d$45f727a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:46:53 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=zdVPjJDFxuSWmr5ttjpUQP-0XqTX4RPGQVyJ0jVnmUq0HXRCL3Tj X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope you will since I'd like to see this guy be able to continue as well. Some car dealership in Calif. had a part 15 transmitter on a billboard and it was deemed legal. The signal got out quite a ways from what I've been told. On the other side of the coin, Robert Chrysafis (is he still a list member?) reported some time ago that other stations trying this configuration were also being busted so there's precedence for this kind of action too. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:58 PM If the operator is certain his transmitter is compliant, I can write the field engineer about the ground issue. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 14 17:27:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5609 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 01:27:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 01:27:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 01:27:35 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.107] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091114192630000612900011.0) with SMTP id <20091114192630000612900011> for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:26:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e201ca6592$cf3b96e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <567085.27833.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004e01ca658c$5a26cec0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:26:30 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=9cYGFp8OIc5CcVO21WhIVdm0xNYaC85-FoIx3QSZ7QB44eNgw0dr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the risk of sounding snarky, what would you be able to do? You're havin= g trouble getting a part 15 station on the air. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: hank smith=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! =20=20=20=20 I will do I will blast my signal to folks I am serious cout me in 120 percent ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:40 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! How many times over would that have to happen to get the desired results?= How many people have the resources and the knowledge to pull it off? I'll = be glad to help you with it if you're so inclined. You come up with the tra= nsmitter, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! I know how I'D answer those charges...with a LINEAR! When enough people h= ave had enough of corporate broadcasting, and start fighting back with kilo= watts instead of words,change WILL come. God bless the good pirates! (Rebel= ? You're damn right I am!)G=20 --- On Fri, 11/13/09, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent= Liability by the FCC! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 3:35 PM The only radio station licensed to Stayton, OR broadcasts a Spanish langu= age Christian fromat. Several months ago, a local musician and luthier by t= he name of Ken Cartwright decided to fill what he saw as a void in the Stay= ton radio dial by putting an unlicensed, (supposedly) Part 15 compliant AM = station on the air. His station broadcast community focused news and live m= usic. The station debuted and operated with much fanfare. It was located in a s= torefront in downtown Stayton (pictures can be found on the station's websi= te at http://www.kencradi o.com/ ), and it received press coverage several = times in Salem News and The Oregonian, as well as on Oregon Public Broadcas= ting. Cartwright broadcast on 1620 kHz, using a Part 15 compliant transmitter a= nd a 3 meter vertical whip antenna (see http://www.kencradi o.com/images/ u= ploaded/ Our%20primary% 20antenna. jpg and http://www.kencradi o.com/images= / uploaded/ Our%20primary% 20antenna% 20full%20view. jpg ). However, as the= se photos show, the transmitter and antenna were mounted atop a 40' radio t= ower. Doing this caused the efficiency of the system to exceed Part 15 limi= ts, as the FCC Enforcement officer who investigated this case outlined in h= is report (see http://www.fcc. gov/eb/FieldNoti ces/2003/ DOC-294572A1. htm= l ). --Alfredo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Nov 14 17:36:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41996 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 01:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 01:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 01:36:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67228 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2009 01:36:09 -0000 Message-ID: <247655.65269.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: jYlRmo0VM1ndBr6.OraFfcXhd8lDaMjPVeU_RM3hea2ofw14T.5.kUhn3QXjsCr.ZPW.6WOWTpZRPb0zPigpQlEpXFoDUDpI_6UjFTtzzGRE_t9d7uhxoiLFvx74FyQJR_v0JM5XQ9EO1wc8C20Gtx9V_rctpcEjVsPrBgYd1PjVrgSGPW2xdfWNqXeiLokfBPS1sCXX33MseKXOVUycnXI95nzgm9EzmGeCvzy1wmRRWW5.7TITw4docXSM8k97U6IVwleRCe9w0sSv1B6_OxXpZySv6VPIEUlUk7M0_V7juCuofh5Z2_ss18pL.6533N3qgeCafDgL1Tv_peL._LzrXSr36zvR1FxykpxW4NRkYaQGLNT5GWO0DwxuNCQCMf4Wd8of.B38lZHJGcY3u0T8UyOOxipGh.0NCuufUWkaBOO4RdKEwnes6ANAgUalUleh9.C6qAz_A.4LNHsQucOWwj4_XurzO_GFsQYEz3B8cp8ZdHAwX2AYIJVddYo26ectFxyhaaH9zF3EpS1IiP16Hq2SC6zHnN7PdQTdz0I415oAGt2lEWf3ttiDxDVuHuj76UTrUK.Usn6VCZ7VNVg5XVZMdOoR8_ZOj7lfvKGrtgPcw0oDTj_U8TqIWFF5ypOW3eSvKt31Nk62ojsfcZRd.078pooEG3QTsC7HrPhkPHomfpLz8WCiotmBByV1aFckBx30lkR868zWS4W_NYqLIy5JTKeNIUdtS37CC1TB2lBO5SZvYBlqZYOIj4b1XoSV5qiiANQYmCN49tj8.7OM5nTec9pBuaj.ZlSayU3OUuErLIVCOwIvKxigmjJDdthVWNgm1N525emJvz4pOtGBdZoXEj2HlIOhyBUmMGjg4PueYDYNhFDOB5ENpipvvHZigE0q2qiWg_ofopL3MHCmb07SDh1WeMxy0WNc5M5WwaC2pclW.yWQuNN7M7k7IENtYsT9KYuh36tIhIXKF.RAkAFbH6v2M1JORfyBHw-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:36:09 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:36:09 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=q4gFWZgZYpdI0IA5R0lwD271fjEeaKSYKkLfKkCi7FIOCg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Appreciate it, Scott, but actually the transmitter is ALL I lack at this po= int. =C2=A0I have the studio, can produce in mono, stereo and matrix quad, = have a decent processor, but THAT is where the chain ends. =C2=A0A ham frie= nd with piratic tendencies once offered to let me feed the recorded program= s into his Collins 1 kW. rig, even offered to "open up" the audio response,= and had a crystal for WRNO's frequency. =C2=A0The plan was to wait on stan= dby for WRNO to change freqs, then jump in. I thought about it, but decided= I had no right to risk anyone's neck but my own, and gave up on the idea.T= rue, few of us have the resources or skills to pull it off, but there ARE e= xceptions=C2=A0(Alan Wainer of "Radio Free New York" was one), people with = all it takes and the guts to go for it.We can't bellyache about lousy progr= amming without having a good alternative in mind, can we?One year in the se= venties, two of the most popular Top 40 stations in the U.S. were not even = IN the U.S., =C2=A0CKLW and XEROK. =C2=A0This shows that listeners are not afraid= to tune off of the cookie-cutter crap from entities like ClearChannel, IF = there is something better to tune in.I am NOT a scofflaw, I believe in law = and order, but there comes a point sometimes when the only way to get a pos= itive change to come about is with a bit of good old rebellious behavior. = =C2=A0America's history is full of such, and I can NOT find it in my heart = to look down on ANY competent pirate broadcaster who is running a clean rig= and good programming.We can learn a lot from the Dutch on this matter...I = remember when Radio Netherlands called themselves "The best LEGAL station i= n the country". =C2=A0The good stuff coming from the illegal stations force= d the legal guys to get better to compete, just as Radio Caroline forced th= e BBC to open up to newer music and lose some of their "stuffed shirt" atti= tudes.We REALLY need some of that in the U.S., and SOON! =C2=A0Maybe there = aren't a lot of folks who can put a 50 kW. box up, but there are tens of thousands who = CAN invest in small, legal rigs, feed them with creative and responsible pr= ogramming, and maybe show, in small steps, that radio CAN be different!I us= ed to hang out with the guys at WYSO in Yellow Springs, Ohio, which was the= Antioch College station. =C2=A0Only 3 kW, and not even in stereo until lon= g after mono was passe, BUT they played what the big guys dared not even co= nsider, were never bound by the Billboard charts, and THAT station had a hu= ge listener base for it's size!It CAN be done, but WILL it? =C2=A0I won't h= old my breath, but I DO hope...G=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 --- On Sat, 11/14/09, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appare= nt Liability by the FCC! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:44 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 I will do I will blast my signal to folks I am serious cout me in 120 percent ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:40 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! How many times over would that have to happen to get the desired results? H= ow many people have the resources and the knowledge to pull it off? I'll be= glad to help you with it if you're so inclined. You come up with the trans= mitter, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! I know how I'D answer those charges...with a LINEAR! When enough people hav= e had enough of corporate broadcasting, and start fighting back with kilowa= tts instead of words,change WILL come. God bless the good pirates! (Rebel? = You're damn right I am!)G=20 --- On Fri, 11/13/09, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent= Liability by the FCC! To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 3:35 PM The only radio station licensed to Stayton, OR broadcasts a Spanish languag= e Christian fromat. Several months ago, a local musician and luthier by the= name of Ken Cartwright decided to fill what he saw as a void in the Stayto= n radio dial by putting an unlicensed, (supposedly) Part 15 compliant AM st= ation on the air. His station broadcast community focused news and live mus= ic. The station debuted and operated with much fanfare. It was located in a sto= refront in downtown Stayton (pictures can be found on the station's website= at http://www.kencradi o.com/ ), and it received press coverage several ti= mes in Salem News and The Oregonian, as well as on Oregon Public Broadcasti= ng. Cartwright broadcast on 1620 kHz, using a Part 15 compliant transmitter and= a 3 meter vertical whip antenna (see http://www.kencradi o.com/images/ upl= oaded/ Our%20primary% 20antenna. jpg and http://www.kencradi o.com/images/ = uploaded/ Our%20primary% 20antenna% 20full%20view. jpg ). However, as these= photos show, the transmitter and antenna were mounted atop a 40' radio tow= er. Doing this caused the efficiency of the system to exceed Part 15 limits= , as the FCC Enforcement officer who investigated this case outlined in his= report (see http://www.fcc. gov/eb/FieldNoti ces/2003/ DOC-294572A1. html = ). --Alfredo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 14 17:53:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15459 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 01:53:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 01:53:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 01:53:43 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAF1rUsZ005047 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:53:31 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c43.52b55651 (29679) for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:53:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:53:27 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=AQn3XzE1JncBGA_wyuqbvC30MZYwdqpVbn3X8zmLpYxH1nnAKSXE4hsItyvClA1J X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find myself agreeing with Scott on this one. The FCC has virtually unlimited resources when it comes to prosecuting someone. Afterall, you will be paying for it in the end with a fine and in the bridal suite at some Federal pen that makes Gitmo seem like Club Med. The problem with pirate broadcasting is it is not just a FCC rule violation for which you can only be fined. It's a violation of the Communications Act of 1934 and you can be criminally prosecuted. Nowadays, the Feds would likely figure out a way that it is some form of terrorism as well. Early in my career I was the onsite project engineer for a company for did communications and control systems for correctional facilities. Let me assure you, I didn't see a single "resident" with an electronics workbench in his "house" in any of the institutions I worked at nor was anyone working 2-meter mobile from the exercise yard. Trust me, you wouldn't like it. However, it did occur to me it would be an excellent site for a resident operated AM Carrier Current station to channel their time away from figuring out how to abduct a communications and control project engineer to the shower room and make him squeel like pig. What does burn me is why the FCC is dispatching a field engineer to check out the ground lead length on a 100mW Part 15 station while letting commerical broadcasters with kilowatts of power get away with murder. If you have something someone is willing to listen to, you can buy time on licensed air at firesale prices nowadays. With Brother Barack's community boards and local content requirements, you might find a station willing to PAY you. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Nov 14 17:59:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99610 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 01:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 01:59:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f216.google.com) (209.85.217.216) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 01:59:27 -0000 X-Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so4450227gxk.11 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:59:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.46.7 with SMTP id y7mr1823365agj.58.1258250361559; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:59:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm1080209yxd.45.2009.11.14.17.59.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:59:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <013E6406D6C74A1FAD3FF05A74352D9D@experien120f09> To: References: <567085.27833.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <004e01ca658c$5a26cec0$d503fea9@stodd> <00e201ca6592$cf3b96e0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:59:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=DcVfD0P-hDvgmW2k6Va3Si1OulzoO_G7nmJoU58H_7LZ6gJp8uh5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable no not having a problem I just have had it with corpret broadcasting and frankly the more power the better I am fore telling what we think with kiliwats call me a rebel if you must ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:26 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! =20=20=20=20 At the risk of sounding snarky, what would you be able to do? You're havi= ng trouble getting a part 15 station on the air. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: hank smith=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! I will do I will blast my signal to folks I am serious cout me in 120 percent ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:40 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! How many times over would that have to happen to get the desired results?= How many people have the resources and the knowledge to pull it off? I'll = be glad to help you with it if you're so inclined. You come up with the tra= nsmitter, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! I know how I'D answer those charges...with a LINEAR! When enough people h= ave had enough of corporate broadcasting, and start fighting back with kilo= watts instead of words,change WILL come. God bless the good pirates! (Rebel= ? You're damn right I am!)G=20 --- On Fri, 11/13/09, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent= Liability by the FCC! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 3:35 PM The only radio station licensed to Stayton, OR broadcasts a Spanish langu= age Christian fromat. Several months ago, a local musician and luthier by t= he name of Ken Cartwright decided to fill what he saw as a void in the Stay= ton radio dial by putting an unlicensed, (supposedly) Part 15 compliant AM = station on the air. His station broadcast community focused news and live m= usic. The station debuted and operated with much fanfare. It was located in a s= torefront in downtown Stayton (pictures can be found on the station's websi= te at http://www.kencradi o.com/ ), and it received press coverage several = times in Salem News and The Oregonian, as well as on Oregon Public Broadcas= ting. Cartwright broadcast on 1620 kHz, using a Part 15 compliant transmitter a= nd a 3 meter vertical whip antenna (see http://www.kencradi o.com/images/ u= ploaded/ Our%20primary% 20antenna. jpg and http://www.kencradi o.com/images= / uploaded/ Our%20primary% 20antenna% 20full%20view. jpg ). However, as the= se photos show, the transmitter and antenna were mounted atop a 40' radio t= ower. Doing this caused the efficiency of the system to exceed Part 15 limi= ts, as the FCC Enforcement officer who investigated this case outlined in h= is report (see http://www.fcc. gov/eb/FieldNoti ces/2003/ DOC-294572A1. htm= l ). --Alfredo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Nov 14 18:00:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31749 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 02:00:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 02:00:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f178.google.com) (209.85.210.178) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 02:00:42 -0000 X-Received: by yxe8 with SMTP id 8so4369599yxe.17 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:00:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.103.6 with SMTP id f6mr9584698agm.100.1258250441769; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:00:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm919091yxh.40.2009.11.14.18.00.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:00:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <23E5527909EF40CD8E1C7509C413C1AE@experien120f09> To: References: <247655.65269.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:00:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=1hOhHA5TTzckKqx1SW5fI4J6ehT8_7nfc2xZtmFvhJO95WtqobmK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you go dude ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:36 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! =20=20=20=20 Appreciate it, Scott, but actually the transmitter is ALL I lack at this = point. I have the studio, can produce in mono, stereo and matrix quad, hav= e a decent processor, but THAT is where the chain ends. A ham friend with = piratic tendencies once offered to let me feed the recorded programs into h= is Collins 1 kW. rig, even offered to "open up" the audio response, and had= a crystal for WRNO's frequency. The plan was to wait on standby for WRNO = to change freqs, then jump in. I thought about it, but decided I had no rig= ht to risk anyone's neck but my own, and gave up on the idea.True, few of u= s have the resources or skills to pull it off, but there ARE exceptions (Al= an Wainer of "Radio Free New York" was one), people with all it takes and t= he guts to go for it.We can't bellyache about lousy programming without hav= ing a good alternative in mind, can we?One year in the seventies, two of th= e most popular Top 40 stations in the U.S. were not even IN the U.S., CKLW and XEROK. This shows that listeners are not afraid to tune = off of the cookie-cutter crap from entities like ClearChannel, IF there is = something better to tune in.I am NOT a scofflaw, I believe in law and order= , but there comes a point sometimes when the only way to get a positive cha= nge to come about is with a bit of good old rebellious behavior. America's= history is full of such, and I can NOT find it in my heart to look down on= ANY competent pirate broadcaster who is running a clean rig and good progr= amming.We can learn a lot from the Dutch on this matter...I remember when R= adio Netherlands called themselves "The best LEGAL station in the country".= The good stuff coming from the illegal stations forced the legal guys to = get better to compete, just as Radio Caroline forced the BBC to open up to = newer music and lose some of their "stuffed shirt" attitudes.We REALLY need= some of that in the U.S., and SOON! Maybe there aren't a lot of folks who can put a 50 kW. box up, but there are tens of thousands who= CAN invest in small, legal rigs, feed them with creative and responsible p= rogramming, and maybe show, in small steps, that radio CAN be different!I u= sed to hang out with the guys at WYSO in Yellow Springs, Ohio, which was th= e Antioch College station. Only 3 kW, and not even in stereo until long af= ter mono was passe, BUT they played what the big guys dared not even consid= er, were never bound by the Billboard charts, and THAT station had a huge l= istener base for it's size!It CAN be done, but WILL it? I won't hold my br= eath, but I DO hope...G=20=20=20=20=20 --- On Sat, 11/14/09, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:44 PM =20=20=20 I will do I will blast my signal to folks I am serious cout me in 120 percent ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:40 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! How many times over would that have to happen to get the desired results?= How many people have the resources and the knowledge to pull it off? I'll = be glad to help you with it if you're so inclined. You come up with the tra= nsmitter, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liability by the FCC! I know how I'D answer those charges...with a LINEAR! When enough people h= ave had enough of corporate broadcasting, and start fighting back with kilo= watts instead of words,change WILL come. God bless the good pirates! (Rebel= ? You're damn right I am!)G=20 --- On Fri, 11/13/09, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent= Liability by the FCC! To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 3:35 PM The only radio station licensed to Stayton, OR broadcasts a Spanish langu= age Christian fromat. Several months ago, a local musician and luthier by t= he name of Ken Cartwright decided to fill what he saw as a void in the Stay= ton radio dial by putting an unlicensed, (supposedly) Part 15 compliant AM = station on the air. His station broadcast community focused news and live m= usic. The station debuted and operated with much fanfare. It was located in a s= torefront in downtown Stayton (pictures can be found on the station's websi= te at http://www.kencradi o.com/ ), and it received press coverage several = times in Salem News and The Oregonian, as well as on Oregon Public Broadcas= ting. Cartwright broadcast on 1620 kHz, using a Part 15 compliant transmitter a= nd a 3 meter vertical whip antenna (see http://www.kencradi o.com/images/ u= ploaded/ Our%20primary% 20antenna. jpg and http://www.kencradi o.com/images= / uploaded/ Our%20primary% 20antenna% 20full%20view. jpg ). However, as the= se photos show, the transmitter and antenna were mounted atop a 40' radio t= ower. Doing this caused the efficiency of the system to exceed Part 15 limi= ts, as the FCC Enforcement officer who investigated this case outlined in h= is report (see http://www.fcc. gov/eb/FieldNoti ces/2003/ DOC-294572A1. htm= l ). --Alfredo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Nov 14 18:04:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95415 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 02:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 02:04:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f194.google.com) (209.85.210.194) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 02:04:41 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yx0-f194.google.com with SMTP id 32so2553162yxe.5 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:04:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.50.29 with SMTP id c29mr4098678agk.63.1258250679845; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:04:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm1005792yxe.1.2009.11.14.18.04.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:04:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <534AEC4331A648FD8D24DA4430CB9B2A@experien120f09> To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:04:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=mTPMO9oW7Ofl5j0rdJilXwOfFC8mjq_JEl3AgrEUeau3_JnEn74D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how can we be on the air locally when you got all the markets owned buy corprete outfits? I am 100 aggenst corprete owned corperations it styfles locals from coming in ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... I find myself agreeing with Scott on this one. The FCC has virtually unlimited resources when it comes to prosecuting someone. Afterall, you will be paying for it in the end with a fine and in the bridal suite at some Federal pen that makes Gitmo seem like Club Med. The problem with pirate broadcasting is it is not just a FCC rule violation for which you can only be fined. It's a violation of the Communications Act of 1934 and you can be criminally prosecuted. Nowadays, the Feds would likely figure out a way that it is some form of terrorism as well. Early in my career I was the onsite project engineer for a company for did communications and control systems for correctional facilities. Let me assure you, I didn't see a single "resident" with an electronics workbench in his "house" in any of the institutions I worked at nor was anyone working 2-meter mobile from the exercise yard. Trust me, you wouldn't like it. However, it did occur to me it would be an excellent site for a resident operated AM Carrier Current station to channel their time away from figuring out how to abduct a communications and control project engineer to the shower room and make him squeel like pig. What does burn me is why the FCC is dispatching a field engineer to check out the ground lead length on a 100mW Part 15 station while letting commerical broadcasters with kilowatts of power get away with murder. If you have something someone is willing to listen to, you can buy time on licensed air at firesale prices nowadays. With Brother Barack's community boards and local content requirements, you might find a station willing to PAY you. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 14 18:05:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43962 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 02:05:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 02:05:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 02:05:04 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAF24t0P003697 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:04:55 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.ce9.65687cd9 (29679) for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:04:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:04:51 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=iRo7hdkXFh_nBR_efpF0dOGkpMh-lyojARiY3ZUVLSmVd2Z8DzrOr8r8QF6QnkEb X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is pure speculation, but my guess is the transmitter was way over power. It's just the field engineer had no way to prove it, so he busted the guy on the ground lead extension which could be readily proven by simple observation. Using some empirical data from 160 meter 40 ft. *intended antennas*, he couldn't produce the recorded field strength with 100 mW of input power. Is it impossible? Perhaps not. However, I didn't see any cryogenic equipment to support a superconducting vertical radiator, loading coil, and subterranean tower extension down to the molten ferro-nickel core of the planet. Maybe it was just the view. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 14 18:14:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67594 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 02:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 02:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 02:14:43 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAF2EZLD017746 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:14:35 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d60.5e31337f (29679) for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:14:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:14:33 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fSn1ldfEmd9AC0f9iL7uByjqVl-q8xv6oCOIAkc1Jnr4KO32wjlAjWd1IZ_TM91o X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit More power to you, George. Literally. Alot of people don't understand Top 40 and Oldies is not the same. The music may be the same, but that is where the similarity ends. The top rated station is St. Louis is now a jukebox connected to a transmitter and tower. Jeez, at least don't use the same canned intro twice in an hour. I don't mean the same words, I mean the same intro right down to inadvertent pause and inhale. I wish the Ross Revenge would set sail to the New World and navigate up the Mississippi. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 14 18:30:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63059 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 02:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 02:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 02:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAF2UPCB016772 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:30:25 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.be6.5ce94427 (29679) for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:30:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:30:21 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=2sFzfhpXvLsvjOiH2U3E3uhQh64cWgdR5hA7plVO1100njsJeLOa6rBNVdnKgEJw X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some people believe Cheap Channel and Infamy use their programming to advance a right wing point of view. At the risk of offending my liberal brethen, I disagree. Both are money grubbers who would broadcast the yelps of puppies being put through a meatgrinder if there was a buck in it. Randi Rhodes is returning to Air America. Now if there was just an Air America outlet in this area... I have a kilowatt Second Generation AM Stereo Ampliphase tranny ready to roll. Perhaps I could borrow Balloon Boy's craft and float an Franlklin aerostat over South Arkansas. That way I can concurrently serve my FCC and FAA sentences. At least I will be able to do my time in regular Federal pen and not one of FEMA Re-education Camps the rest of you will have to go to. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Nov 14 19:07:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93837 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 03:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 03:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f203.google.com) (209.85.210.203) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 03:07:52 -0000 X-Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so9826680yxe.30 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:07:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.148.11 with SMTP id a11mr3421375ago.14.1258254469198; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:07:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm996827yxg.48.2009.11.14.19.07.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:07:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2716B0D5365C425F8985401CD0D20EBA@experien120f09> To: Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:07:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=TpUHk0sX1zF5_tXiIydr5tuUa6lERqfcrWrTJDw-PUbXVyRnzF2o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello is it possible fore a totally blind person to become a broadcast engineer? what are your thaughts? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Nov 14 19:10:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96129 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 03:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 03:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f193.google.com) (209.85.211.193) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 03:10:48 -0000 X-Received: by ywh31 with SMTP id 31so9685041ywh.30 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:09:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.55.24 with SMTP id h24mr9674981agk.62.1258254565798; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:09:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm655759yxh.22.2009.11.14.19.09.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:09:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5C4E32B1399D4C9A83C9199FCC940498@experien120f09> To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:09:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=PgDm1aR84xfOvVNDr8w90S4q50lT_xe9guW3URTQBV8mViusPEyO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if I wanted a friggen jukebox I would use pandora or real rhapsody, or that other one? think its called slacker? hell if I wanted a jukebox I would use my ipod jeez those need to go bye bye fore radio ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 2:14 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... More power to you, George. Literally. Alot of people don't understand Top 40 and Oldies is not the same. The music may be the same, but that is where the similarity ends. The top rated station is St. Louis is now a jukebox connected to a transmitter and tower. Jeez, at least don't use the same canned intro twice in an hour. I don't mean the same words, I mean the same intro right down to inadvertent pause and inhale. I wish the Ross Revenge would set sail to the New World and navigate up the Mississippi. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Nov 14 19:11:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43765 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 03:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 03:11:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f201.google.com) (209.85.211.201) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 03:11:19 -0000 X-Received: by ywh39 with SMTP id 39so4686602ywh.26 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:11:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.54.8 with SMTP id g8mr8276628agk.83.1258254677856; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:11:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm1279554yxf.29.2009.11.14.19.11.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:11:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8C82967011C7419C9E1BE5A5E0875DF8@experien120f09> To: Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:11:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: voice tracked traffic updates? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=3s2Cs6c4rk2TuQWOXW_MWsm-7CUllaTYfUNrluw4rmAxYCuM1oLP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit one of the main news talker in tucson az knst has there voice traffics updated how many morons do this? I was listening to glen beck cause I was bouard out of my mind and couldn't help nitice the "fender bender on such and such street a few minutes ago" same record same everything make me puke is it just me observing this? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Nov 14 19:16:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69300 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 03:16:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 03:16:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f179.google.com) (209.85.211.179) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 03:16:27 -0000 X-Received: by ywh9 with SMTP id 9so3976315ywh.19 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:15:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.164.17 with SMTP id r17mr8390302ago.92.1258254951902; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:15:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm982745yxd.27.2009.11.14.19.15.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:15:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <22946D06A4984D04BF49DFC0085A791E@experien120f09> To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:15:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=liKbCTIq8g7Ug9ygN2m505t0xUDDcCbe85U6fM7ALHRCQ9kDOr3c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dude I aggree with you as well ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 2:30 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... Some people believe Cheap Channel and Infamy use their programming to advance a right wing point of view. At the risk of offending my liberal brethen, I disagree. Both are money grubbers who would broadcast the yelps of puppies being put through a meatgrinder if there was a buck in it. Randi Rhodes is returning to Air America. Now if there was just an Air America outlet in this area... I have a kilowatt Second Generation AM Stereo Ampliphase tranny ready to roll. Perhaps I could borrow Balloon Boy's craft and float an Franlklin aerostat over South Arkansas. That way I can concurrently serve my FCC and FAA sentences. At least I will be able to do my time in regular Federal pen and not one of FEMA Re-education Camps the rest of you will have to go to. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sat Nov 14 19:19:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81142 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 03:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 03:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 03:19:54 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFR864RAHZCCES for (sender ); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:19:43 -0800 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxEsTefRyJvsSuh1jmtDmDQ= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PXDLNFJW; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:18:44 PST X-Received: from [76.194.241.197] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:18:23 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:18:23 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091114.191823.17970.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 440 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:1409044066 X-MAIL-INFO:32252d89b03da5a43414dd44a5bd0d14f4a43444bdd4cd7dad79c1d5f4415190cd909d0541ad29c080091585adc0e5a0f0e9491549c1600475 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=uXQpSy_j4_14zvYKKzQLcDBbhkBfEsp5zWOvyKpmIg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn KDB in Santa Barbara California has used Braille coded equipment to accommo= date vision impaired operators for many years. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "hank smith" To: Subject: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:07:46 -0000 hello is it possible fore a totally blind person to become a broadcast engi= neer? what are your thaughts? =20 From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Nov 14 19:24:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77881 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 03:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 03:24:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f183.google.com) (209.85.210.183) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 03:24:00 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yx0-f183.google.com with SMTP id 13so3939790yxe.23 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:24:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.55.24 with SMTP id h24mr9683913agk.62.1258255440000; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:24:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm660018yxh.22.2009.11.14.19.23.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:23:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88B802F80DFE471E8CCADBBE5F76478C@experien120f09> To: References: <20091114.191823.17970.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:23:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=48e7Ycjvp6vnO61WQBRW9HdwkRkAh6HcIWlZHQowXOWVspFum0pd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can you tell me more about the equipment? itt tech ha a course on this subject and I have prior training in radio and television and I want to prosue the karieer ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:18 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? KDB in Santa Barbara California has used Braille coded equipment to accommodate vision impaired operators for many years. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "hank smith" To: Subject: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:07:46 -0000 hello is it possible fore a totally blind person to become a broadcast engineer? what are your thaughts? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sat Nov 14 19:38:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77038 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 03:38:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 03:38:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 03:38:02 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFR8762ATXPGPS for (sender ); Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:38:00 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD4AJfSSTexO5XNw83vrh9Mk= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PXDMQE5X; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:37:18 PST X-Received: from [76.194.241.197] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:37:11 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:37:11 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091114.193711.17970.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 1162 X-ContentStamp: 9:4:2038108689 X-MAIL-INFO:5ad1ddfdad19c0e015745949c070147475e0154970e90d0cb4c965bd754020350d35b1ed40b489e18d51b04db4e13d959109f9b0f96531a124 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=i90P2wJa-rw823EhnrK0Nid3Dd1WaojljqWgogH6BA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn There was a person I knew years ago that may have worked there: DENNIS H SCHWENDTNER, WB6OBB 2220 CHANNING WY SANTA BARBARA, CA 93109 ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "hank smith" To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:23:57 -0000 can you tell me more about the equipment? itt tech ha a course on this subject and I have prior training in radio and= television and I want to prosue the karieer ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:18 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? =20=20=20=20 KDB in Santa Barbara California has used Braille coded equipment to accom= modate vision impaired operators for many years. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "hank smith" To: Subject: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:07:46 -0000 hello is it possible fore a totally blind person to become a broadcast en= gineer? what are your thaughts? From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 14 19:40:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51942 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 03:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 03:40:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 03:40:16 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAF3eApm020026 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:40:10 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c81.60a04b70 (41809) for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:40:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:40:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=dEfqSCvCNKNc7ucWgD4pbVjtCRHqPtHcxXEeiww1iOlGD1ZgEPVPeq-Y8GUa4ehw X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It depends on what you mean by "Broadcast Engineer". I have heard the term used to describe board operators, maintenance personnel, transmitter operators/technicians, people who design broadcast facilities, as well as technical consultants. What you can do is limited only your own creativity and the ever-growing adaptive technology available. In the old days, I might be a bit reluctant to have you poking around a 50 kW tube rig with 15,000 volt exposed buses with a screwdriver stuck in the door interlock switch (who hasn't done that?) on your own. However, as anyone one can tell you, every engineer needs a trusty assistant. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 14 19:44:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24928 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 03:44:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 03:44:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 03:44:18 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAF3htDm016742 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:43:55 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bca.5c727f72 (41809) for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:43:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:43:50 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} voice tracked traffic updates? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pE0CR7KWdcgsfIKMiDS89RzKLbxAjEm5h-1VVa2H9xmzMD7mG_iPiL3L6F8fNx-y X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/14/2009 9:11:38 PM Central Standard Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > I was listening to glen beck I listen to Glen Beck once myself on the car radio driving to the Tru Value to buy a new hammer. The head of the one I use to bash my brains out came off and I needed to replace it. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 14 19:51:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31188 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 03:51:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 03:51:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.95) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 03:51:48 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAF3peRv015520 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:51:40 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d06.648a6c7e (41809) for ; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:51:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:51:35 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=PllvI2lAr10vFTFEQ1No-IOr-ixJncvcD-WFI4PmmL4uKjEyzPOcAfC4zTGb-iPh X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This same thread is running on the Part 15 Broadcasting group. One of the members has a truly creative idea for dealing with the ground lead problem: Run a metal drain pipe from the ground up the side of the tower to the top. Fill the pipe with earth such that there is a continuous path of earth to the dirt at the base of the tower. Mount and bond the transmitter to the drain pipe for a "ground". The transmitter is now at "ground level" with 0 inches of ground lead wire. That is what I call out of the box thinking. I am certain the FCC would most likely knock a couple grand off the fine and several months off the sentence just for being creative. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Nov 14 21:55:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33832 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 05:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 05:55:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 05:55:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17454 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2009 05:55:42 -0000 Message-ID: <778543.17450.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hxbKCQoVM1kXyXKAUVsYqf78B8whVEnrwhQVhsy3t_I2ZXieGk.wizdqLRGPj0kWmATH9dQ0a0zWXmE8.GzUxEkk58eSPJhVRXuEPIx2Dh34APIMuAX1xg9wbSwscDcLrdWS6vTob4MSm.aPpMILxJU17W5L9C7O21KcE7kUhIGNId_BNS1HfVFdna.2IBELfqTQgKhjZ7hRoHgeVPzVdNfA3IBNlDNv1GsLzU3jM3HbXOL6liM3DFddAyF5FKyFJ1tD9FAQlvoGpucNHgl6VvOiA1BgWqyJXvIwnHGt3zEgEKmENlH79N.u7ASL9bY.tAtkRTuxw3RIMlAthSI8gYUU.ekKpiT1flXAKyToP_esowc3KBTUZymLl9k0NSKqcplrLWmg4xl4NsH.z4AnDWp5M6oxXMttKmy0mIgKEIEAmlydavoS4ZEM8eeP9BdyhwQ6Za81RKyMS8YiIdnZ4_YBVbzWEXXAJXRemiOiD2Zg5hUdX1y1QnIGlVAk0hPTCEZOUZCOV8kdS.ELD3d15YeRW.EWIwGZGrLkRsTxeB98pxvTay594PbmNgMXus2dQAR5wQooAZu2UxHKIgFSTvAC2y0SWXcAgj8MEjuxlIM9VnX2BnIM3m_XGesEzywQgYE2ZpBODhPY3Vn5mz2LkVdI4gTGPfsscRUSURo0SPUh6k_lex5GFo.QNS_qYh.IG9EmZGO2DbQgaVgT9ueniskGGzQMbpwaUW6cIZYUoCqW3BivgN_ILNuK4RymWBZ3q.an.RJcavzuFY3fJ4Jp4570L35VyzSrwOOYFq5hXIopX8FnDf99Wwn_ve7xQoxlZhqjL1LkGuRuBtS29KeJ03ix2sL7ekJrZWAyBpYjQ9z7ltvJ4Q40FZvuFF7sPmbLd0PdT3un0QmZ1O3aWA0gV3KBZUX_paH7GvgUUZ57v3li5dJV8DltV5daZPGcTWQypdENNwLU44jwu5i32guAQ6alzajloOk2YZCKkvb2jr2GrjPqRns8In.XLpRfveYUYFi1Ep5TfEVT1R3FqdRjdstBaiSLNrb1XDvUz1QsLjMFMztz3HHCb4mgw3QZrsiEV8rP24bhJ7hCtE_Q4NIs9qCieEk6CeFwtBas.PLlgVGjTFR0l0cxs2J_K27pvUYyHFo96cauZ73PysJXwFM3I4UfbJZ8laQPaDRa_17bWN0M0HF5OVPGqF7Mc.Nxac6gz7UfpVhWMuVCWzy_kn16IflTigb_d3feuNwtimBEfdOMtPgBJdRIL_B81ITRWhAtHnDAZUUZO98wB_fZEkDabu5BZQYVD2ivrZqOaLu0s9F0PdVF3.ArGYDWwVDBx2OAppYin8kilYaY2hkt9rwkfNrZH1w- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:55:42 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:55:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5C4E32B1399D4C9A83C9199FCC940498@experien120f09> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=x2WRSwk2cRbPCuKzFBbeT4TShrhE5uhLsyCTYkKgB3Xeow X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh yeah, I'd love to see the Ross come alive, doin' her thing again! =C2=A0= You hit the nail squarely, Oldies are the music, Top 40 is the FORMAT. =C2= =A0Any person or computer can play a bunch of tunes in whatever order they = like, but knowing WHICH tunes to play in WHAT order, how to segue them, cro= ss-fade them, and maybe even say something over the intro that just might m= ake somebody's day a little better...THAT is REAL Top-40!Today a console is= just an appliance for mixing audio signals...it USED to be an artistic too= l! For a time too short, they got it right, the DJ didn't up-stage the music, = or vice-versa, the playlist was wide, with something for everyone, and it m= ust have been good, because people LISTENED! =C2=A0They interacted, they ca= lled in requests and dedications, and more than once, that voice in the spe= aker was the only friend in tough times. =C2=A0I was privileged to have bee= n on both ends of the game, and I think those were the only really happy an= d meaningful days of my life. =C2=A0I was never a big star, didn't care, di= dn't even care about the paycheck...I was doing something I LOVED, and woul= d do it again for free...if only those days came back. =C2=A0I know, they c= an't, I need to get over it and move on,but sometimes the pain of missing t= hat magic in the air is enough to make me go back to drinking....long live = REAL radio! --- On Sat, 11/14/09, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appare= nt Liabilit... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:09 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 if I wanted a friggen jukebox I would use pandora or real rhapsody, o= r that other one? think its called slacker? hell if I wanted a jukebox I would use my ipod jeez those need to go bye bye fore radio ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mjgrant@aol. com=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 2:14 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liabilit... More power to you, George. Literally. Alot of people don't understand Top 40 and Oldies is not the same. The=20 music may be the same, but that is where the similarity ends. The top rat= ed=20 station is St. Louis is now a jukebox connected to a transmitter and towe= r.=20 Jeez, at least don't use the same canned intro twice in an hour. I don't= =20 mean the same words, I mean the same intro right down to inadvertent paus= e and=20 inhale. I wish the Ross Revenge would set sail to the New World and navigate up the= =20 Mississippi. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sun Nov 15 06:55:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99741 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 14:55:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 14:55:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s38.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.241) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 14:55:05 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W43 ([65.55.90.200]) by snt0-omc4-s38.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:55:05 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:55:05 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2009 14:55:05.0513 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DFEB190:01CA6603] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=6XQSM_ROADdKLAp4yxnDhGLNYZNAXdSpCUbWbMq_OGifMxtSYyYg X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am an amateur radio operator and what burns my backside about this entire= FCC mis-application of federal power is that the FCC stands idly by while = thousands of CB'ers openly violate all tenets of their rules and regulation= s with impunity, and here one guy tries to meet a local need and is hammere= d. That is not just, in my opinion. =20 My two cents worth, =20 MTGC (Michael) =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: mjgrant@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:53:27 -0500 Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appare= nt Liabilit... =20=20 I find myself agreeing with Scott on this one. The FCC has virtually=20 unlimited resources when it comes to prosecuting someone. Afterall, you wil= l be=20 paying for it in the end with a fine and in the bridal suite at some Federa= l=20 pen that makes Gitmo seem like Club Med. The problem with pirate broadcasting is it is not just a FCC rule violation= =20 for which you can only be fined. It's a violation of the Communications=20 Act of 1934 and you can be criminally prosecuted. Nowadays, the Feds would= =20 likely figure out a way that it is some form of terrorism as well. Early in= =20 my career I was the onsite project engineer for a company for did=20 communications and control systems for correctional facilities. Let me assu= re you, I=20 didn't see a single "resident" with an electronics workbench in his "house"= =20 in any of the institutions I worked at nor was anyone working 2-meter mobil= e=20 from the exercise yard. Trust me, you wouldn't like it. However, it did=20 occur to me it would be an excellent site for a resident operated AM Carrie= r=20 Current station to channel their time away from figuring out how to abduct = a=20 communications and control project engineer to the shower room and make him= =20 squeel like pig. What does burn me is why the FCC is dispatching a field engineer to check=20 out the ground lead length on a 100mW Part 15 station while letting=20 commerical broadcasters with kilowatts of power get away with murder. If you have something someone is willing to listen to, you can buy time on= =20 licensed air at firesale prices nowadays. With Brother Barack's community=20 boards and local content requirements, you might find a station willing to= =20 PAY you. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=3DPID24727::T:= WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Nov 15 08:47:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42791 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 16:47:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 16:47:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 16:47:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64463 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2009 16:47:42 -0000 Message-ID: <335298.64118.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: yauDviUVM1lrTF5scTMJigZtYhi6256jRxv_2apW1PZGROpj_oAkOg8imrz0u.XLvceb28VjSBmnD3DuKcIq8sCpjFAuNHgBb6hZqq_8CS9XGvXvV4otoYxVdX3t_DxjEz4SfqF9pT6N2gZ_S8kzqRQigSYMJnjSud_9LLpbqHIf7EvjymlHZxDBH_xG5ORlXMCoqqpWQdqKUHMGPhfZdTug.Lzv.hF6ZBekO.RMtd3fzOFUHud.e5G6ga_2yOiV2PSvLU_yPH_uZQnZaUvhkPQzQgd3oI3OYP7QzEYO2Py0mBDpIowQGWLbyenazyNE0jvx5aalWS18X081M5LeomnaSptvmvCJVp.vmUcmchi.4UNw9CN7_fxVCQsrpTaOafq6_goG5piEeYlbifgITw1oko.xlgBHHBhcHJR0paYTPDgMPKQV4UiHA6QMFaClAUZUrtwx76C4mfuMiELwiqD6C48M55dRw8FfeyEfDlLjYCXcJ4KZ2BeIoOBa1wl7JVmaikq6YRBdq7qJe6FeU_XWYiCVF6.NZFPc1RVrXro4ibBseaKV_86jkFhMYZo01UIVYEIrttmDW8keIHx9GfE6jCkQxX.hgrqnAoB18AVU7YDLQuyJeyQ4i2La.ywrZSGEBOl1rhbW7MqCIJ4BX1F.Ke9SoUrL8k1soSZQaLXP0Tg- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:47:42 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:47:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=6m_wNdHPX5rqGk1eR40W65kqIqtFJOCNXEuz57fufS3DGg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael, that is not 2 cents worth, that is $20 worth! (or much more). =A0C= Bers have turned my crank backwards for a long time, too. =A0We have one in= the area that has one whopping linear, no doubt has three-phase service in= to his shack, and he constantly talks trash and nonsense, trying to raise a= response from the other side of the country. =A0This has gone on for YEARS= , and so far no sign of the FCC. =A0But I guarantee you, if I fire up 1 lou= sy watt on the broadcast bands, the tracking cars would appear like magic o= ut of thin air and right in my driveway.Pretty obvious WHY that is, the CBe= r is not interfering with the operation of a for-profit station, who's owne= rs pay big bucks to lobbyists who have the FCC's ears. =A0If that CBer were= to start entertaining people, and pulling them away from the broadcast lis= tening, THEN you can bet it would be a different story!Maybe the answer is = for the FCC to ignore the AM band, as much as they have CB, let the best station win (instead of the richest), declare the winner, and give THEM th= e license.Man, would radio be a better thing for all of us if THAT happened= !Until then, we are to remain victims of the greed and arrogance that has d= estroyed a once great medium, I'm afraid. =A0For now, I hope a million peop= le buy part-15 rigs, get good behind the mike and board, and start winning = listeners. =A0Maybe when enough listeners turn away from the big guys, they= might FINALLY get the hint!We need to return to "operation in the public i= nterest", and FAST!George --- On Sun, 11/15/09, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appare= nt Liabilit... To: "AM Stereo" Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 9:55 AM I am an amateur radio operator and what burns my backside about this entire= FCC mis-application of federal power is that the FCC stands idly by while = thousands of CB'ers openly violate all tenets of their rules and regulation= s with impunity, and here one guy tries to meet a local need and is hammere= d. That is not just, in my opinion. =20 My two cents worth, =20 MTGC (Michael) =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: mjgrant@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:53:27 -0500 Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appare= nt Liabilit... =A0=20 I find myself agreeing with Scott on this one. The FCC has virtually=20 unlimited resources when it comes to prosecuting someone. Afterall, you wil= l be=20 paying for it in the end with a fine and in the bridal suite at some Federa= l=20 pen that makes Gitmo seem like Club Med. The problem with pirate broadcasting is it is not just a FCC rule violation= =20 for which you can only be fined. It's a violation of the Communications=20 Act of 1934 and you can be criminally prosecuted. Nowadays, the Feds would= =20 likely figure out a way that it is some form of terrorism as well. Early in= =20 my career I was the onsite project engineer for a company for did=20 communications and control systems for correctional facilities. Let me assu= re you, I=20 didn't see a single "resident" with an electronics workbench in his "house"= =20 in any of the institutions I worked at nor was anyone working 2-meter mobil= e=20 from the exercise yard. Trust me, you wouldn't like it. However, it did=20 occur to me it would be an excellent site for a resident operated AM Carrie= r=20 Current station to channel their time away from figuring out how to abduct = a=20 communications and control project engineer to the shower room and make him= =20 squeel like pig. What does burn me is why the FCC is dispatching a field engineer to check=20 out the ground lead length on a 100mW Part 15 station while letting=20 commerical broadcasters with kilowatts of power get away with murder. If you have something someone is willing to listen to, you can buy time on= =20 licensed air at firesale prices nowadays. With Brother Barack's community=20 boards and local content requirements, you might find a station willing to= =20 PAY you. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It works the way you want. 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Groups Links =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 10:45:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46874 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 18:45:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 18:45:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f193.google.com) (209.85.211.193) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 18:45:31 -0000 X-Received: by ywh31 with SMTP id 31so10889551ywh.30 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:44:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.89.22 with SMTP id m22mr11854603ybb.294.1258310670139; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:44:30 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm2153703ywg.43.2009.11.15.10.44.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:44:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <92B66C474ABA42BA9586491CF4692EF4@experien120f09> To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:44:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=VlmaCuq779bZL4R03rUb8k2LgC3oepHjwXUjl4ub-c7NccFEOXsN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks fore the help I am going to be looking in to it also I planned on having a assistant no worries there ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:40 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? It depends on what you mean by "Broadcast Engineer". I have heard the term used to describe board operators, maintenance personnel, transmitter operators/technicians, people who design broadcast facilities, as well as technical consultants. What you can do is limited only your own creativity and the ever-growing adaptive technology available. In the old days, I might be a bit reluctant to have you poking around a 50 kW tube rig with 15,000 volt exposed buses with a screwdriver stuck in the door interlock switch (who hasn't done that?) on your own. However, as anyone one can tell you, every engineer needs a trusty assistant. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 10:47:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86584 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 18:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 18:47:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f211.google.com) (209.85.217.211) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 18:47:16 -0000 X-Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so4077410gxk.15 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:46:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.47.12 with SMTP id u12mr11862056ybu.332.1258310770821; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:46:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm2154663ywc.9.2009.11.15.10.46.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:46:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3AFA07BED2A944F488E21B960CEACB7B@experien120f09> To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:46:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=d8KxWFBHw4MBBf3LTApBlmzOABkHd8Sgg3TDYH_n8zvtI81IvAYR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit that is a awesome idea ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:51 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... This same thread is running on the Part 15 Broadcasting group. One of the members has a truly creative idea for dealing with the ground lead problem: Run a metal drain pipe from the ground up the side of the tower to the top. Fill the pipe with earth such that there is a continuous path of earth to the dirt at the base of the tower. Mount and bond the transmitter to the drain pipe for a "ground". The transmitter is now at "ground level" with 0 inches of ground lead wire. That is what I call out of the box thinking. I am certain the FCC would most likely knock a couple grand off the fine and several months off the sentence just for being creative. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 11:23:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1954 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 19:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 19:23:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f187.google.com) (209.85.211.187) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 19:23:04 -0000 X-Received: by ywh17 with SMTP id 17so4301379ywh.2 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:23:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.163.10 with SMTP id l10mr4286320ybe.223.1258312980968; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:23:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm640827ywd.29.2009.11.15.11.22.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:23:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <0465F2A5C126467987DAD1E6E122E443@experien120f09> To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:22:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=nkaC9XKEFPAwYhV4woXpC5C4suUivw9H0E_GnYdJNtDxmVxg1Nmp aggreed 100 percent I am also a ham operator ke7ief ----- Original Message ----- From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" To: "AM Stereo" Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 2:55 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... > > I am an amateur radio operator and what burns my backside about this > entire FCC mis-application of federal power is that the FCC stands idly by > while thousands of CB'ers openly violate all tenets of their rules and > regulations with impunity, and here one guy tries to meet a local need and > is hammered. > > That is not just, in my opinion. > > > > My two cents worth, > > > > MTGC (Michael) > > > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: mjgrant@aol.com > Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:53:27 -0500 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of > Apparent Liabilit... > > > > > > I find myself agreeing with Scott on this one. The FCC has virtually > unlimited resources when it comes to prosecuting someone. Afterall, you > will be > paying for it in the end with a fine and in the bridal suite at some > Federal > pen that makes Gitmo seem like Club Med. > > The problem with pirate broadcasting is it is not just a FCC rule > violation > for which you can only be fined. It's a violation of the Communications > Act of 1934 and you can be criminally prosecuted. Nowadays, the Feds would > likely figure out a way that it is some form of terrorism as well. Early > in > my career I was the onsite project engineer for a company for did > communications and control systems for correctional facilities. Let me > assure you, I > didn't see a single "resident" with an electronics workbench in his > "house" > in any of the institutions I worked at nor was anyone working 2-meter > mobile > from the exercise yard. Trust me, you wouldn't like it. However, it did > occur to me it would be an excellent site for a resident operated AM > Carrier > Current station to channel their time away from figuring out how to abduct > a > communications and control project engineer to the shower room and make > him > squeel like pig. > > What does burn me is why the FCC is dispatching a field engineer to check > out the ground lead length on a 100mW Part 15 station while letting > commerical broadcasters with kilowatts of power get away with murder. > > If you have something someone is willing to listen to, you can buy time on > licensed air at firesale prices nowadays. With Brother Barack's community > boards and local content requirements, you might find a station willing to > PAY you. > > Mike > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. > http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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(dialup-4.154.37.211.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm969025qyk.5.2009.11.15.11.33.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:34:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B0057A1.6030909@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:33:53 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <2716B0D5365C425F8985401CD0D20EBA@experien120f09> In-Reply-To: <2716B0D5365C425F8985401CD0D20EBA@experien120f09> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.149 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=XKR9E3ETBlCxpRyOuTXibRyzWQaVCtcTl1OV6q0u4Li_dKFkFRWMs8klw97qPA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > hello is it possible fore a totally blind person to become a broadcast engineer? > YES! I have a very good friend who has been Blind since birth. No, he isn't a Broadcast Engineer, he runs an Automotive Machine Shop. He is also a General Class Ham Radio Operator and HOME BREWS his own High Power Tube Type AM Radio Equipment! Most people who see him out and about have NO IDEA he is Blind. He has no Dog or Cane. He also LOVES Big Block Chevys. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 11:37:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38367 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 19:37:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 19:37:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.24) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 19:37:11 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so840111qwb.63 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:37:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.13.19 with SMTP id z19mr4292285qaz.242.1258313831326; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:37:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.37.211? (dialup-4.154.37.211.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm47333qyk.0.2009.11.15.11.37.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:37:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B00585F.9010204@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:37:03 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ro89Znqsl_qGd6NtXp7E9K6jg_55IGD_-2Zeg7ECIzntxNInY7XtomeLmOlNOg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > the FCC stands idly by while thousands of CB'ers openly violate all tenets of their rules and regulations with impunity, and here one guy tries to meet a local need and is hammered. > > That is not just, in my opinion. I agree 100%! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 11:41:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90731 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 19:41:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 19:41:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f172.google.com) (209.85.221.172) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 19:41:02 -0000 X-Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so2150906qyk.21 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:41:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.85.139 with SMTP id o11mr4314609qal.237.1258314061480; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:41:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.37.211? (dialup-4.154.37.211.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm973384qyk.5.2009.11.15.11.40.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:41:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B005945.6030505@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:40:53 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <335298.64118.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <335298.64118.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=L68n0FeqpmVzaoBsgLVldi3zQYCo0O9Kq0OWa6k1s83iqiQuKHb7ZXToY_vX4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 george russell wrote: > CBers have turned my crank backwards for a long time, too. We have one in the area that has one whopping linear, Last week we had a local CBer on CB Channel 6 that was splattering all the way to 75 Meters! A couple of Local Hams had a Fox Hunt and FOUND HIM. We gave him some SWR Problems LOL -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 12:09:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65296 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 20:09:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 20:09:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f197.google.com) (209.85.216.197) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 20:09:54 -0000 X-Received: by pxi35 with SMTP id 35so1141995pxi.18 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:09:37 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.69.17 with SMTP id r17mr6186331waa.42.1258315777247; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:09:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm1073391pzk.1.2009.11.15.12.09.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:09:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8E871716AADC418FB3CA7C6FBCA8ABE0@experien120f09> To: References: <2716B0D5365C425F8985401CD0D20EBA@experien120f09> <4B0057A1.6030909@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:09:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=EI_b6VR2Xh_KGnRvjbIFytRdth_oo5vG147minY5hyFZKoUi_nsS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit awesome do you have to sodder with those tube rigs? if so how does he manage that one? also can you please put me in contact with him? Hank----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? hank smith wrote: > hello is it possible fore a totally blind person to become a broadcast engineer? > YES! I have a very good friend who has been Blind since birth. No, he isn't a Broadcast Engineer, he runs an Automotive Machine Shop. He is also a General Class Ham Radio Operator and HOME BREWS his own High Power Tube Type AM Radio Equipment! Most people who see him out and about have NO IDEA he is Blind. He has no Dog or Cane. He also LOVES Big Block Chevys. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 12:11:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71991 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 20:11:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 20:11:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f50.google.com) (209.85.160.50) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 20:11:02 -0000 X-Received: by pwi6 with SMTP id 6so3119762pwi.29 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:10:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.237.19 with SMTP id k19mr12950597wah.69.1258315858374; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:10:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm1071176pzk.6.2009.11.15.12.10.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:10:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: <335298.64118.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B005945.6030505@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:10:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=BcTIIH7Oz3aEN4e_eAGGzZw3S51diYcGloeewFmbhUDCohS3uwEr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit write on! smiles> ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... george russell wrote: > CBers have turned my crank backwards for a long time, too. We have one in the area that has one whopping linear, Last week we had a local CBer on CB Channel 6 that was splattering all the way to 75 Meters! A couple of Local Hams had a Fox Hunt and FOUND HIM. We gave him some SWR Problems LOL -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 12:14:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55502 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 20:14:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 20:14:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f178.google.com) (209.85.221.178) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 20:14:37 -0000 X-Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so2155147qyk.24 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:14:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.26.207 with SMTP id f15mr3987225qac.186.1258316051027; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:14:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.37.211? (dialup-4.154.37.211.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm668792qyk.3.2009.11.15.12.14.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:14:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B00610A.5030506@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:14:02 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <2716B0D5365C425F8985401CD0D20EBA@experien120f09> <4B0057A1.6030909@gmail.com> <8E871716AADC418FB3CA7C6FBCA8ABE0@experien120f09> In-Reply-To: <8E871716AADC418FB3CA7C6FBCA8ABE0@experien120f09> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ImPResed_D7z8E9wC1mqBvDfsj3CfnxtRoCM3X8x3bRUmsCIlJ_SO3tSAIDm_A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > do you have to sodder with those tube rigs? if so how does he manage that one? > He FEELS it, with his bare fingers. I think he is NUTS, but that is how he does it. > also can you please put me in contact with him? He is NOT Online, but you can catch him most evenings on 3885 AM. His call is KI4MLN -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 13:36:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48423 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 21:36:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 21:36:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.160.47) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 21:36:43 -0000 X-Received: by pwi9 with SMTP id 9so3142494pwi.26 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:36:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.9.2 with SMTP id 2mr4787055wai.197.1258321003299; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:36:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm1122401pzk.3.2009.11.15.13.36.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:36:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1C13D1627CAC48FDB69983BB92A02FC8@experien120f09> To: References: <2716B0D5365C425F8985401CD0D20EBA@experien120f09> <4B0057A1.6030909@gmail.com> <8E871716AADC418FB3CA7C6FBCA8ABE0@experien120f09> <4B00610A.5030506@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:36:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.47 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=YhUlyxxDvSReWkZI3leQ_QuolRxb_p8gOLkZpapOFAzVqDiGpifs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't have a general license does he use 2 meters? ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? hank smith wrote: > do you have to sodder with those tube rigs? if so how does he manage that one? > He FEELS it, with his bare fingers. I think he is NUTS, but that is how he does it. > also can you please put me in contact with him? He is NOT Online, but you can catch him most evenings on 3885 AM. His call is KI4MLN -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 14:11:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69455 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 22:10:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 22:10:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.148) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 22:10:59 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so932072qwc.54 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:10:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.114.194 with SMTP id f2mr4368828qaq.68.1258323025594; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:10:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.37.211? (dialup-4.154.37.211.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm1940155qyk.4.2009.11.15.14.10.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:10:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B007C48.1020304@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:10:16 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <2716B0D5365C425F8985401CD0D20EBA@experien120f09> <4B0057A1.6030909@gmail.com> <8E871716AADC418FB3CA7C6FBCA8ABE0@experien120f09> <4B00610A.5030506@gmail.com> <1C13D1627CAC48FDB69983BB92A02FC8@experien120f09> In-Reply-To: <1C13D1627CAC48FDB69983BB92A02FC8@experien120f09> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=XsrSSk1-gRqorIfqnBG5AuqYxU2-u4w5A6rh7GfCMNZ4s1e5L2bAp4LwFAHqnA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > I don't have a general license does he use 2 meters? > SOMETIMES he is on the BRARS 146.10 Repeater. It has an Echolink Node. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 15 15:00:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15709 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 23:00:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 23:00:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 23:00:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 39204 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2009 22:59:42 -0000 Message-ID: <218189.38951.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: H7kCCdgVM1mffJisUZPR53y8beNGIwSWl6gPwtG3FEHk.D0lNf0SUJL1jit53bhfJzRRzGhta7k.RRPM2pcXaqJUb8Re9bTwGtwp9ZYKG_KcDNJDkhoYVwyFppMhG15hq7v0rnDtO.fSERkPVXTj1uKY46y5xdpwbmjCneN8wrcXdvdAz_CBVGkQRbiY0vujXg03yvgKYNwautbLUNAZVAMFio6YJkGVV2JjsKw4bq5t6_Wq2OheTwGHwLk8jHdBacp_V8shUMeIXQrfrRa9xwTkN7yTG7x1FewWuJ5gOq6YbaEaMfoK2YkAEbFQhSO.bliy.ck- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:59:41 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:59:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Corporate Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=kUngarZvHLUnnUQWIOwgrKnh73HlJmpL_iYbXXjAFEIIAnPysXj1VyA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio This made me fall on the floor cracking up, since it's probably true: Mike wrote: "Some people believe Cheap Channel and Infamy use their programming to advance a right wing point of view. At the risk of offending my liberal brethen, I disagree. Both are money grubbers who would broadcast the yelps of puppies being put through a meatgrinder if there was a buck in it...." It's all in the money! From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 15 15:49:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58325 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2009 23:49:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Nov 2009 23:49:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2009 23:49:49 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.101] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091115174907000286800011.0) with SMTP id <20091115174907000286800011> for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:49:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002201ca664e$60915560$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <247655.65269.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:49:07 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=03x3R7_IpAqOGXg85uiLdtJmWhAf7ma5TTLhmhV3x8BAqObCs5Kd X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not kilowatts, but I could copy the schematic for the 50W Cunningham unit if you're brave enough to build it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:37 PM Appreciate it, Scott, but actually the transmitter is ALL I lack at this point. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 15 16:03:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53010 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 00:03:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 00:03:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 00:03:52 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.101] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091115180317001927600011.0) with SMTP id <20091115180317001927600011> for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:03:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009801ca6650$5b0ee4c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <218189.38951.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:03:17 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Corporate Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Lyx_PDx0BJ4kAaq6jg3Un57bHvXde38na019p3Ym4jxe-Tn4j-Js X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greed seems to be a human constant. Even poor people can suffer from it though it's not as obvious. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: {AMSF} Corporate Broadcasting This made me fall on the floor cracking up, since it's probably true: Mike wrote: "Some people believe Cheap Channel and Infamy use their programming to advance a right wing point of view. At the risk of offending my liberal brethen, I disagree. Both are money grubbers who would broadcast the yelps of puppies being put through a meatgrinder if there was a buck in it...." It's all in the money! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 15 16:08:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51223 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 00:08:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 00:08:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 00:08:34 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.101] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091115180804002458900011.0) with SMTP id <20091115180804002458900011> for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:08:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00a301ca6651$05e29540$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <2716B0D5365C425F8985401CD0D20EBA@experien120f09> <4B0057A1.6030909@gmail.com> <8E871716AADC418FB3CA7C6FBCA8ABE0@experien120f09> <4B00610A.5030506@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:08:04 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=QAB1zTnd0Iso3_Z8PNYap5whip5YZoGkamcqKfxBKgXq6bqvu6fC X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Given that Hank is 3/4 of the way across the country 80M isn't the best for such long distance work. Given that he's in an apartment means it's unlikely he'd even be able to put up such an antenna even if he were licensed to work AM phone. Unless there's some way of using packet radio to get messages that distance he'll be stuck using the US Snail. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 2:14 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? hank smith wrote: > do you have to sodder with those tube rigs? if so how does he manage that one? > He FEELS it, with his bare fingers. I think he is NUTS, but that is how he does it. > also can you please put me in contact with him? He is NOT Online, but you can catch him most evenings on 3885 AM. His call is KI4MLN -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Nov 15 16:13:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37331 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 00:13:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 00:13:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 00:13:02 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.101] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091115181150003126100010.0) with SMTP id <20091115181150003126100010> for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:11:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b401ca6651$8c036fa0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <8C82967011C7419C9E1BE5A5E0875DF8@experien120f09> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:11:50 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} voice tracked traffic updates? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=8FOJTjBthTGqvCdOi9qRPqTe4QArVP3qggA0G7UGUgOV5CzKicHz X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep- pretty much every station that runs traffic here and most every major market uses some sort of outside service. It just wouldn't be cost effective to do it in house. Sounds like the station you heard needs to do a bit of programming on their automation so traffic reports more than 15 minutes old would be killed and not replayed. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: {AMSF} voice tracked traffic updates? one of the main news talker in tucson az knst has there voice traffics updated how many morons do this? I was listening to glen beck cause I was bouard out of my mind and couldn't help nitice the "fender bender on such and such street a few minutes ago" same record same everything make me puke is it just me observing this? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 17:01:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24165 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 01:01:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 01:01:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 01:01:52 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so796568qwd.47 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:01:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.16.71 with SMTP id n7mr4423067qaa.162.1258333312172; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:01:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.35.85? (dialup-4.154.35.85.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm2071227qyk.9.2009.11.15.17.01.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:01:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B00A477.2070302@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:01:43 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <247655.65269.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002201ca664e$60915560$d503fea9@stodd> In-Reply-To: <002201ca664e$60915560$d503fea9@stodd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=U2zIf9WyixPO_EDb4cgwOChUA4pjOmD59SyhvyXiMAoN2C6Yjlh5ujc7fXtedg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 scottn0bst@usfamily.net wrote: > It's not kilowatts, but I could copy the schematic for the 50W Cunningham unit if you're brave enough to build it. Can you post it to the Group? I would be VERY interested to give it a look too! Not that *I* would EVER fire up my BTA-1R1 or my BC-500H on 1620 kHz. No, not ME! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 17:08:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27529 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 01:08:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 01:08:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f183.google.com) (209.85.210.183) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 01:08:38 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yx0-f183.google.com with SMTP id 13so4326968yxe.23 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:08:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.17.6 with SMTP id u6mr10777671agi.32.1258333718412; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:08:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm111905yxf.65.2009.11.15.17.08.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:08:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: <247655.65269.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002201ca664e$60915560$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:08:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=xfaQLNhAVoPr-GJIpot-SEP63WJM_LyfavOXlj1m7_mbQZnr4zrQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can I get those to just fore the heck of it?seriously ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 11:49 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! It's not kilowatts, but I could copy the schematic for the 50W Cunningham unit if you're brave enough to build it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:37 PM Appreciate it, Scott, but actually the transmitter is ALL I lack at this point. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 17:10:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16393 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 01:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 01:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f219.google.com) (209.85.217.219) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 01:10:56 -0000 X-Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so1499486gxk.5 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:10:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.12.19 with SMTP id 19mr2137244agl.96.1258333855363; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:10:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1326293yxg.48.2009.11.15.17.10.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:10:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <624A5DC995744181895233E4BF0E9F59@experien120f09> To: References: <8C82967011C7419C9E1BE5A5E0875DF8@experien120f09> <00b401ca6651$8c036fa0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:10:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} voice tracked traffic updates? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=GUdYefs4HiRJGTS33LRQ0BBuXhOQZCYF_VuBi1UL_ke0fsclb_cB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tell me about it ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 12:11 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} voice tracked traffic updates? Yep- pretty much every station that runs traffic here and most every major market uses some sort of outside service. It just wouldn't be cost effective to do it in house. Sounds like the station you heard needs to do a bit of programming on their automation so traffic reports more than 15 minutes old would be killed and not replayed. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: {AMSF} voice tracked traffic updates? one of the main news talker in tucson az knst has there voice traffics updated how many morons do this? I was listening to glen beck cause I was bouard out of my mind and couldn't help nitice the "fender bender on such and such street a few minutes ago" same record same everything make me puke is it just me observing this? 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(dialup-4.154.35.85.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm741433ywf.35.2009.11.15.18.04.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:04:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B00B30A.5080606@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:03:54 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=UIHKc9PnvIDkHsC_G-WG8skcqoR3_ncESSY7C_m-P2i4zX8lIj88j8G8HFZZJw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Both are money grubbers who would broadcast the yelps of > puppies being put through a meatgrinder if there was a buck in it. Very TRUE! I am LUCKY work for a Small Group of Catholic Stations. At least they CARE about the listeners. To Cheap Channel's credit, they do LMA out their two AMs in this market they don't want to Program. (WLFJ & WGVL) Entercom is Simulcasting WORD 950 and WYRD 1330 with their WYRD-FM 106.3 that duplicates the coverage of 950 100% and 1330 90%. That is TWO 5 KW AM signals that are going to waste and just sucking up Power Bills. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 15 18:12:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51002 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 02:12:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 02:12:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 02:12:40 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAG2CUKB008126 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:12:30 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d4b.57864354 (39330) for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:12:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:12:24 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=nibry1MWg4HbxgxlyawPqMUnxI6ClYMH8kjPX3IPQD6FKGcmKRIE3hxq8mMzAJHq X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/15/2009 8:55:15 AM Central Standard Time, mtgc@hotmail.com writes: > the FCC stands idly by while thousands of CB'ers openly violate all > tenets of their rules and regulations with impunity Would anyone like to take bets on how many teabaggers, birthers, etc. have CBs? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 18:49:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35808 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 02:49:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 02:49:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f190.google.com) (209.85.221.190) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 02:49:17 -0000 X-Received: by qyk28 with SMTP id 28so2034846qyk.16 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:49:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.79.2 with SMTP id n2mr4474740qak.189.1258339742456; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:49:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.35.85? (dialup-4.154.35.85.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm2087991qyk.4.2009.11.15.18.49.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:49:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B00BD94.4080603@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:48:52 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=D6wA83exB5VR258DzqpJqNwO3QMW_d0qdCWBjgU5K-OhXBLZiLPUcqPm2Pa5VQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Would anyone like to take bets on how many teabaggers, birthers, etc. > have CBs? I dunno, but a BUNCH of them are on 75 & 40 Meters. I know because I am one. Most of what I hear on 11 Meters is Truckers on Channel 19 and the LIDs on Channel 6. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 20:09:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65635 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 04:09:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 04:09:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f212.google.com) (209.85.217.212) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 04:09:07 -0000 X-Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so6490666gxk.8 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:08:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.176.16 with SMTP id y16mr3789465age.52.1258344486707; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:08:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1254322yxd.8.2009.11.15.20.08.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:08:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6516B16474454AC6A446E2CA56DE9CB4@experien120f09> To: References: <4B00BD94.4080603@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:08:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=-g2N9no3J-4aWJoRt1ezXiFC-pvS_MP_ceQLGCNnrLrSpA-DZbJo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is the lids? and what goes on on 75 and 40 meters? ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:48 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Would anyone like to take bets on how many teabaggers, birthers, etc. > have CBs? I dunno, but a BUNCH of them are on 75 & 40 Meters. I know because I am one. Most of what I hear on 11 Meters is Truckers on Channel 19 and the LIDs on Channel 6. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 15 21:15:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23247 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 05:15:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 05:15:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 05:15:52 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAG5FUft007883 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:15:30 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d1c.5217626b (41812) for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:15:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:15:26 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} voice tracked traffic updates? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=O_W9hnT6vCXDlX2ExDfItXRZyT_G_51Wb9uzryjjE6LZ-FJrRfg8jImpjuxNyQ5C X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In St. Louis, during the last days of Storz-owned KXOK, there was a Top 40 FM competitor with the KSLQ "Super Q" callsign. If you wanted to have a morning drive, you had to do traffic. KXOK used longtime legend Lou Cooley from the KXOK traffic car. Actually, Lou owned a package delivery service and had mobile phone in his truck, but that's another story. Not to be outdone, KSLQ had live broadcasts from the Super Q Traffic Copter. Pretty impressive, right? Well, the boys from KXOK got word that most of the time KSLQ was faking it, relying on reports from St. Louis's premier KMOX which were rewritten and reported from the studio with the canned sound of a copter cockpit in the background. So the 630 guys tipped off a local TV station that sent a film crew out to Spirit Airport to film the Super Q Copter on the ground, safely secured, as they recorded Super Q's "live" traffic reports that morning. Aside from having egg all over their faces, KSLQ received notice from the FCC. In those days, broadcasting of ficticious information or misrepresentation of news was a fineable offense and could cost a station its license. You didn't mess with Storz that once sent a signal survey crew into the hinterlands of Iowa to find somewhere that KDWB out of the twin cities was interfering was KXOK's signal on 630. KDWB only had a 500 watt nightime authorization but more than a few times ran their full 5,000 watt power into the evening hours. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 15 21:19:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3084 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 05:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 05:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f184.google.com) (209.85.211.184) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 05:19:35 -0000 X-Received: by ywh14 with SMTP id 14so4386758ywh.20 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:19:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.45.22 with SMTP id x22mr3654763agj.120.1258348762096; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:19:22 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm68906yxg.14.2009.11.15.21.19.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:19:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <68A3F1B1ED714EC291B50F7B1025536B@experien120f09> To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:19:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} voice tracked traffic updates? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=wcct2IkmAeMUKdQRIoUYqMwe_Xg40iqEm3RE7ewI8QHI39isL4fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ouch ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:15 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} voice tracked traffic updates? In St. Louis, during the last days of Storz-owned KXOK, there was a Top 40 FM competitor with the KSLQ "Super Q" callsign. If you wanted to have a morning drive, you had to do traffic. KXOK used longtime legend Lou Cooley from the KXOK traffic car. Actually, Lou owned a package delivery service and had mobile phone in his truck, but that's another story. Not to be outdone, KSLQ had live broadcasts from the Super Q Traffic Copter. Pretty impressive, right? Well, the boys from KXOK got word that most of the time KSLQ was faking it, relying on reports from St. Louis's premier KMOX which were rewritten and reported from the studio with the canned sound of a copter cockpit in the background. So the 630 guys tipped off a local TV station that sent a film crew out to Spirit Airport to film the Super Q Copter on the ground, safely secured, as they recorded Super Q's "live" traffic reports that morning. Aside from having egg all over their faces, KSLQ received notice from the FCC. In those days, broadcasting of ficticious information or misrepresentation of news was a fineable offense and could cost a station its license. You didn't mess with Storz that once sent a signal survey crew into the hinterlands of Iowa to find somewhere that KDWB out of the twin cities was interfering was KXOK's signal on 630. KDWB only had a 500 watt nightime authorization but more than a few times ran their full 5,000 watt power into the evening hours. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 15 21:39:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60604 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 05:39:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 05:39:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 05:39:01 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAG5d06P024755 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:39:00 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.cab.55290f8e (41812) for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:38:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:38:55 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Corporate Broadcasting X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=OEwvM1wX1TWG67FkZWO3VGBWZzgOaM6teTuuNryvUWft-ZymoRksi-ZrTd4AN5pX X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/15/2009 5:00:27 PM Central Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > This made me fall on the floor cracking up, > You should tune into our local unlicensed AM 50kW clear channel station "The Pirate". The FCC came down, and having verified the strap from the ATU to the ground system was less than 3 m in length, got a Moon Pie and RC Cola at the Pac-A-Sak before driving back to Memphis happy as a tic on a hound. You can't pull nothing over those guys. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 06:22:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33137 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 14:22:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 14:22:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 14:22:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91340 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2009 14:22:12 -0000 Message-ID: <675316.91106.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _pzVwioVM1l4EAxGQbZh0LZtP.rwoXyiZWGkI5Eh_.Ojeu8OVPQJZLFYsRnBf.AqJBIW_PMFJHtdKAabxWEtAIO23ic1OG1Ip5RMKK5UC1hawt_7q5NSDMXcM6CizePEyZdg2isJ6pa8GkX6T4r85HLjZ2HPDOE0par7nMIO_8rlAZGCSD0XjXwAYyAz1mrLAYgJcOxxDcpP8RyWJ8fl6UH_u9aK9KA.A7Abx_.XTxqYjHCCI78dGzVS4gWb27w.VhhD_ee2fcN.RjdihYuRjqv87vYHElKPWZ4v5u6kd.TUyGjq8yiFlFcBO3eVvVbQrXRzAonxp3_G06Ov5mWpxGG7zaK4d7vNLSkYYl5D_a9fJIJu4Fno1L.5Jy.wk32hZ1enDxKSXAPjEM18OYKx5UgK5B4OyyNKuPfuyeVyPC08vhv3fF_dcEh.UYmupRTWxUTf5o9seynz7sG7pUfrhFvpnrkvxCuCtHvEzQUQMUKMiNnDmNHnZjwyu_T9AMzc4pWaGX6geeNSTCGvqXo8y43M2Gf7fcgZFPm109nKBZ3dzviTh83nLXPMCBmpTSEk.0GjOOGZOFMoLQ25xp.cpFpKLv6WuCZZAukUsArMtYEJuuZmmfJc8.8h3A.deparJKkUg6IgZYh1a8DeWZycZXq.Gey4twiFdlz0D3IffFf6D7OXv5eFXMB1mwkOQa47h6PUO8jz80Syj5hLcN3iSSYzAnKTcaXP0t5_tINCFy8BOVdo_OKgi8tqxXdD6zZs0zaNSbiGiAW7yNFtCnJ9dzxrMgVlRsGJE.spEcXMSYYakcg7KhqefTmHeN5c6SaRp05wNEwd6Sr.ONQET18opuIC65UyV_DyGuuhnVEKlnGRHQu7tu2_yPh5pKFX7vuNlime4JzQbu30XImPybQOhPFPoRmvvWKOJbHVGHCOdiqBC4M.e4H6JlDV0mMRbEzZDMr83fywdGLYuq269ZYpGtmzFFwajdm54JeSn_ogZMmg0PBBUTKiOtvrSSFg7XK1v_z79NZjE_Nrz5uZ3HeVd0hIW6wSiHw.T4XZvlg_7GVe7NinITZs1.ctJteCA4gosSC.7DkVf3HGOAIpC.DjpL_Qbdlg.y7hsDCWHiTqGV7uM3tDuApSCqLkob_0kP3SpTlDFWbpVtu9zPJ1gjhmPyQScASUaiLI46Emix5Hsb_bBzJNLqrb0mGhkfiQfjUf5B2F69PU2mKPPv2Fr0UbeK3tzWi3BJFCHqcXTMqgwO6q.n4xnCB7eVTb5GfyUbSq4lJ7XxJOG3Vvok.aaIa0kXJ7fCO_4qC2Q8JxEKOCXiCsM2EA7E2U3FwA.LVyz_xE2GSMnT78xsLXZ5v5B7Li4TY- X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:22:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:22:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <66B4992461F04B9BABE5491FF6731BC9@experien120f09> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=xSj8S490aYnFGazTbfsQOfR7u32V4Acbbre0hdsnW6TDL3H5Il9e X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They do have R.S.L.s though (Restricted Service Licence).=C2=A0 1W for 28 d= ays on a few frequencies like 1278 or 1287, 1350, 1413, 1575 & others. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sat, 11/14/09, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:45 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 thanks fore the info ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:31 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? No on both counts. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: hank smith=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? hello does either ixist? if so where can I find out more? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 08:07:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65002 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 16:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 16:07:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f189.google.com) (209.85.211.189) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 16:07:52 -0000 X-Received: by ywh27 with SMTP id 27so4873588ywh.31 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:07:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.152.36 with SMTP id e36mr640137ano.30.1258387671526; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:07:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.34.28? (dialup-4.154.34.28.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.28]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1325450ywc.54.2009.11.16.08.07.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:07:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B0178C6.70400@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:07:34 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=zOUJUIH4t7onTYSP5MnPFi3ZGxuuhIhlf5KJiGJLi2Sji_S2jh29kTbzlUHFAg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Some people believe Cheap Channel and Infamy use their programming to > advance a right wing point of view. At the risk of offending my liberal brethen, > I disagree. Both are money grubbers who would broadcast the yelps of > puppies being put through a meatgrinder if there was a buck in it. On that happy note: WTAQ (1360 AM) radio personality Jerry Bader will return to the airwaves today following a two-week suspension, the station's management announced.... ? ... General manager Duke Wright announced on the air that he weighed feedback from listeners http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20091116/GPG0101/91116026/1207/GPG01 In other words, this Bozo attracts enough listeners that the Ad Agencies want him back on the air. Maybe "Puppy Radio" will be the next BIG Format Craze to replace "Jack". Be SURE they pay you royalties for your GREAT Idea. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 08:13:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16955 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 16:13:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 16:13:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f176.google.com) (209.85.221.176) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 16:13:23 -0000 X-Received: by qyk6 with SMTP id 6so2485927qyk.3 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:13:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.95.200 with SMTP id e8mr4884320qan.157.1258388003359; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:13:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.34.28? (dialup-4.154.34.28.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.28]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm18879001qwj.41.2009.11.16.08.13.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:13:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B017A15.6000206@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:13:09 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4B00BD94.4080603@gmail.com> <6516B16474454AC6A446E2CA56DE9CB4@experien120f09> In-Reply-To: <6516B16474454AC6A446E2CA56DE9CB4@experien120f09> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.176 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Te5qrSblkoBl5PGBzoCSiCvF7wYh9s9KVKEzsgY-XPd2Vo-42yJDQsEICDqVFw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > what is the lids? > Radio IDIOTS > and what goes on on 75 and 40 meters? You hear a LOT of Anti-Obama people on the air there. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 16 09:16:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85447 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 17:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 17:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 17:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAGHGUYO018280 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:16:30 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bbb.5e61caaf (39329) for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:16:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:17:25 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vJzfZ9FjAQBzYVZgXAWCo8ML5IZ-35Y-fsDU2hvvr8ySt1HdiKdg9dpHz1rSV5xo X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/15/2009 5:49:59 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > It's not kilowatts, but I could copy the schematic for the 50W Cunningham > unit if you're brave enough to build it. > You'd be better off building or buying a LPB carrier current transmitter. They're on eBay from time to time. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 16 09:30:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56601 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 17:30:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 17:30:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 17:30:47 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAGHUe39018958 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:30:41 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d66.4b27a3b7 (39329) for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:30:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:31:38 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=DubbjaupwgGuHOQKPjlkdFm0T7YkPF1s9z1yLC-gDnohcqrsoxsi0mbVLiqOOTAN X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/16/2009 10:13:50 AM Central Standard Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > > and what goes on on 75 and 40 meters? > > You hear a LOT of Anti-Obama people on the air there. > Barack has control of the FCC, right? Why can't the Feds locate these folks with their direction finding gear and send them of to the Bill Ayers FEMA Re-education Camps like they are building in New Orleans? I understand John Carpenter has a project to film another "Escape" film set in NOLA. They decided to use that location to save the expense of having to build any sets. The Big Easy is ready to go as is. You will know something's up when Cumbuya is number one on WWL's rotation. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 11:50:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92676 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 19:50:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 19:50:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.84) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 19:50:03 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22995 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2009 19:50:02 -0000 Message-ID: <261614.21688.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qOQljPUVM1kygFrSqBkq_huNEgkOH.QfKScF0lBN0XcwoPHJ.HsRX5wNhZUm4aWtK3io6M0rF1IuRKwvkWqOG2lm2UPqi99IZWhH1TpflE67BFkIeoGhaM2xU8NqYqaLgUDz._lNGYGmy5NHeWhhbWD9v_1Jz81PxXt6i8PnzBA.3zZJV35fquWvQBJzeqXiVHl.fCbpNk70n8anHvuSbqYRbehFZxo7QaNIyfk_U2TmaRTL271vjpE2bQlDLQVztd01rAYl6OQQdMkZsmDj811Oo3uO2GyShzY9B15O3UckOpUGAqkXJNG2fc2Zi1dQPjR_P69zejzxDuABhuJozIqm6CbDiiOVwvUE X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:50:02 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:50:02 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B00B30A.5080606@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=dj2AGxuo-VAG_4FbMD9eEbvcyesAHCxVxsWjlv4KLVA X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW That is not exactly true. There are areas the WYRD-FM does not cover well in the market that one or the other AM does. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Sun, 11/15/09, kj4hyd wrote: >> Entercom is Simulcasting WORD 950 and WYRD 1330 with their > WYRD-FM 106.3 > that duplicates the coverage of 950 100% and 1330 90%. That > is TWO 5 KW > AM signals that are going to waste and just sucking up > Power Bills. > -- > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 13:03:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2284 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 21:03:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 21:03:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f202.google.com) (209.85.211.202) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 21:03:21 -0000 X-Received: by ywh40 with SMTP id 40so3498198ywh.33 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:03:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.37.40 with SMTP id k40mr412065ybk.254.1258405400996; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:03:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.35.52? (dialup-4.154.35.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm1044880ywf.35.2009.11.16.13.03.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:03:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B01BE09.2020302@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:03:05 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <261614.21688.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <261614.21688.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=eMhLxGVMOPq9kg8n2tVV9NDfFoL5vJeIySfEbxYCnOi_FX3eBzS_XaIlTqZXYQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III wrote: > That is not exactly true. There are areas the WYRD-FM does not cover well in the market that one or the other AM does. > While WYRD 1330 & WORD 950 does cover some areas outside of 106.3's coverage, they are FAR outside of the "Money Areas" and most important, Arbitron Survey Areas. Take a look at http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WORD&service=AM&status=L&hours=D http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WYRD&service=AM&status=L&hours=D http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WYRD&service=FM&status=L&hours=U The Public would be MUCH better served to have different Programming on the AMs. If they were SMART, they would put something like Music Of Your Life on one and "Real Oldies" on the other, but at least to Drive Times Live. That would KILL "Oldies 103" which is FAR from a true Oldies Station. I wonder what They have planed for WCSZ? I noticed the FCC Dismissed Dr. Cherry's last Silent STA. It is still SILENT today. It has a BLOWTORCH Signal when it is on. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 14:06:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84674 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 22:06:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 22:06:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f221.google.com) (209.85.218.221) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 22:06:04 -0000 X-Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so6116016bwz.24 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:05:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.150.69 with SMTP id x5mr2535623bkv.197.1258409103252; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:05:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm102499fxm.11.2009.11.16.14.04.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:05:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <06D8E16D732B42759E1FC8EBEAD6ED0E@experien120f09> To: References: <675316.91106.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:04:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.218.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=QvaduSbIacDccS41UOZaWv8COoc7dX9HWozK7y9qPlvh5yHHGm9d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what if you want to go longer then 28 days? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 7:22 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? =20=20=20=20 They do have R.S.L.s though (Restricted Service Licence). 1W for 28 days= on a few frequencies like 1278 or 1287, 1350, 1413, 1575 & others. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sat, 11/14/09, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:45 PM =20=20=20 thanks fore the info ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:31 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? No on both counts. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: hank smith=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? hello does either ixist? if so where can I find out more? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 14:15:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65026 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 22:15:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 22:15:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f223.google.com) (209.85.220.223) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 22:15:15 -0000 X-Received: by fxm23 with SMTP id 23so6756127fxm.18 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:14:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.154.216 with SMTP id p24mr4420121bkw.16.1258409653897; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:14:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm2253793fxm.4.2009.11.16.14.14.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:14:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <90C483237DD34E97BFDD225FF0907D8A@experien120f09> To: References: <4B00BD94.4080603@gmail.com> <6516B16474454AC6A446E2CA56DE9CB4@experien120f09> <4B017A15.6000206@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:14:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=StFuaJMQMy4Nvpqroo5Owi8LG-vZYERpZ4svU9LUAO4Ld8TmH721 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit gotch are you a anti obomma? just curious no hard feelings if you are or are not just curious thougha ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 9:13 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... hank smith wrote: > what is the lids? > Radio IDIOTS > and what goes on on 75 and 40 meters? You hear a LOT of Anti-Obama people on the air there. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 14:19:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86247 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 22:19:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 22:19:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f212.google.com) (209.85.218.212) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 22:19:03 -0000 X-Received: by bwz4 with SMTP id 4so6417883bwz.22 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:19:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.26.134 with SMTP id e6mr4541717bkc.87.1258409942644; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:19:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm992601fxm.6.2009.11.16.14.18.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:19:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1742173F6F1E45EA9CA4824F2FE6E8EE@experien120f09> To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:18:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.218.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Xgps80pTqDHSWjf7uT8cEVs86Kn2gJiTL6364q_ywmQBfXKtJDGU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit will keep my eye out what about piping threw the cable system? my second dish reciever does this just a thaught I sware like stuff after channel 100.00 on the cable systems are dead channels anyways snow staic nothing there just a idea ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... In a message dated 11/15/2009 5:49:59 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > It's not kilowatts, but I could copy the schematic for the 50W Cunningham > unit if you're brave enough to build it. > You'd be better off building or buying a LPB carrier current transmitter. They're on eBay from time to time. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 14:44:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41798 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 22:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 22:43:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.79) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 22:43:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22784 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2009 22:43:53 -0000 Message-ID: <401418.22760.qm@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: NYOgpOQVM1kF7rxD4aTInu3bxx04D6LK0j7SV6Y2OxdE.voHf85aAV2tYkK2D09KUYsKyhxuj2Kp2JZxceIGP7IyAzgwGTGBrCQ0OmqPflHkanJ40IlUe7bNtFyFhwJVGcwTG6gO1wry1WHgIlSHEtU8IxZoedVl_Am.OE4XTtY.QqhruTs_v_8SQsqSXf3xhF5v1P9tozmr28IurbveKdEp1Drf5EUvHXb3l7DfPDMXO0v68LWxXAu.TFZLd1wpH8vTHm.Xw6zz8IzLP2mErMd0cdG66SgMgtsnfwykJiu6iITTJ11eCwhUjX8tP70t2Es- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:43:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/211.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 References: <261614.21688.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B01BE09.2020302@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:43:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B01BE09.2020302@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=EOQHD8eFh6FLsfdfi2rzJWNEh0SsApNL7QPEloAeyks X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Radio locator isn't correct here. I was in the money areas and the FM was d= istorted and unlistenable.=20 The guys=A0that are LMA'ing SPORTS on 1440 wanted to purchase 1070 but Dr. = Cherry was not very, ah, obliging.=A0 His demands=A0were just unreasonable.= =20 Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 I wonder what They have planed for WCSZ? I noticed the FCC Dismissed Dr.=20 Cherry's last Silent STA. It is still SILENT today. It has a BLOWTORCH=20 Signal when it is on. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 14:46:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39690 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 22:46:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 22:46:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.83) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 22:46:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 35115 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2009 22:45:25 -0000 Message-ID: <512146.34255.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: .whkUXwVM1k8BvQ6_70NuCpHDTUayHXvpfHmpGK5DWa6SRP90.T2UsXFBnkw8t8ndCdrH1Q7tJ7XV62qDFca0NVDX0UF2B8uKufYRXjnB8uFa009WTmYBChM3hE7bkQnCQYrfO_ks1e6XiP7mmKk4869r4AOLGc6XRMqfCxi2WjI7GPOF3tA9N0Ayoj3aSG6G0psplBM9BcW0YPqSyysys9XOpIAwsp.5Rl4pPfvfOtML9nD3z.pSQ0yNoXnHO3KVbZ2fuRUL.jqANVc8kJ5cpIry0l10QECQvgFzj1v1g.q5Snm_GgPykVRCw_nEMMTUR6XCCvnNX5pHt7yBYfV1Zs2TM5doBHwl68- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:45:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/211.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 References: <247655.65269.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002201ca664e$60915560$d503fea9@stodd> <4B00A477.2070302@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:45:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B00A477.2070302@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=pzQQEX2tWbEjV7rcQBmEvAXIokw88ToETGxPAXfpbTI X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW So, when ARE you running that test?=A0 BTW the BTA 1R1 is easier to put on = 1885 than the Gates... Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: kj4hyd by the FCC! Not that *I* would EVER fire up my BTA-1R1 or my BC-500H on 1620 kHz.=20 No, not ME! --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 14:57:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25569 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 22:57:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 22:57:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.244) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 22:57:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 15981 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2009 22:57:17 -0000 Message-ID: <314654.15675.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: lKgPeN0VM1m4G_ZMLbQq5HUmeTSJ_8TPJfwK7sOeXP5DJwjt64.h1sgUzNZdf99PiNxi2rilaUqFcK9.L0EuwvdNGXUMmAaNUnGJe9eaA_QLbGOcpSlHIhIwVyazhIYlX1dAziy7_0MKNlvqMavGyUsW6rUr0EZS95uL1nrF.bj8idBYBhd.aURhEW3luI_G4DlD5PKeu_qWv1PdTbB55ow0OwdFQJ7z9QBqklmKH3bn3JCxELxt4dCqi0jK8owmElleN66qMa53flEGQTJaPiOqRZNdRAE_HuI59Ozk_gxkJfl41bwT5vQQXfQbtg_CY7sQ9EgQpVh3r5YI2DAb5cpyHPeyAh2.qRr63vwyNjtjvUL1_2YQpF35eOFT4y89ldZWHxDbX3xJdr0KZoccYxarUHTQRW5TcdzGIPMzc2B5sSATLiKGHmJpnCOXv3FXfyzkTX840sf542au8DjNGHmiUwIHpYenefKwfESYTpyWaToo8nU.VSqWBestm8H.uU4Qdd5HwYJkAiUCxkT9WvumMQ4Lt5HWuB0QYLVs7.CS2duapJ9CjhGsgSKH9JAjEvjh_6c08I3AfwWobKyb4LR48zFy0svJlabn0db_NNRjaTXb5UwdbYkMtLFjKxbUEtAjgfAwur67kh8h8WpwAEa1LTCEYe2c8TUrVG2RoP0bu4fIfJPrp1SPy1.PwgBxRmnKgqAiYD2QrgJ7zMMfM8KbxYYB95JZAsP8_Use6j3KIr9SSvh_0TBu7T_ehj2OHl6muUXm1VhTi7nms2p6s2CG9xxXg2ugKy1Ana7_Aq0DhJUiXPLd_RISyYbg6zAaTSOhWv9GHrEGKfzP3ttvA9mHLFQuwDNq858bv7NVVVfVee.XUVzfqZS.mKkHQ8oH1dg5.T5IVSsY8pafYopZRQSuYP0dkV5tceZoImbtqa9SD4fu2.JmIkpi_7v52F.uoFRt3ymwcsPTNP8xS78HNCngTkZ9r0OaDV9SSuE1icGu0vwBJPS40TEQSq256JlZsLsk1UlHfU_KPiCOuRM33GYvajplBkVkW0LnNMIkBBGicas.gfdXh1eqhQmZ6A0tGHmFHpnGwW5LrPKyQNdyRqDUHVmkK7rmqa0mb0hsnMvs8N1ucpHzDHK_nlfGaGoCmBJqXmEwNriL3J6sFehGVdA2WtSpLgAysxlMV32zfG_6gFI7igApeXctljR79nwKDXlmWudb51Uv8HGrzSTAafReZ3MPsF8n62CuZP2zOhP9hnMRULF0pj_d2bpIHnu0yAOIicfH8bg9BVOCg3USHgq7vM6_hB2beal71zrjtg7sHF6MK3mNy5ejmes- X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:57:17 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:57:17 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <06D8E16D732B42759E1FC8EBEAD6ED0E@experien120f09> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.244 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=HN9EkgFXh1jUzRLr-kjqXfg9Yv9NyrgBV_CcupovvfAdmOyOY53T X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That I am unsure of.=C2=A0 I don't know if it's 28 days per year (because s= ome stations have been on in different years) or if you can keep reapplying= .=C2=A0 The last I knew it was 2,000 pounds. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Mon, 11/16/09, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 5:04 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 what if you want to go longer then 28 days? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 7:22 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? They do have R.S.L.s though (Restricted Service Licence). 1W for 28 days o= n a few frequencies like 1278 or 1287, 1350, 1413, 1575 & others. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 --- On Sat, 11/14/09, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:45 PM thanks fore the info ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:31 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? No on both counts. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: hank smith=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? hello does either ixist? if so where can I find out more? 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(dialup-4.154.35.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm956107qyk.0.2009.11.16.15.09.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:09:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B01DBAA.800@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:09:30 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <261614.21688.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B01BE09.2020302@gmail.com> <401418.22760.qm@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <401418.22760.qm@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=j79qH3c_Q4n6T5ZUt1m97XrbBWogAf20AyIae-yCrwD4pLe1kjhFm_BmRAA2dw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III wrote: > Radio locator isn't correct here. I was in the money areas and the FM was distorted and unlistenable. > Where? > The guys that are LMA'ing SPORTS on 1440 wanted to purchase 1070 but Dr. Cherry was not very, ah, obliging. His demands were just unreasonable. It seems that some CASH from the Sports Guys would be better than being Illegally Silent. Since Cherry does NOT own the land and buildings, the equipment is horribly Obsolete, and 1070 won't fit anywhere else, what does Cherry THINK he has? -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 16 15:31:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79890 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 23:31:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 23:31:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 23:31:50 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAGNVFAP018060 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:31:16 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c1d.746d3247 (65100) for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:31:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:31:14 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=VOGt3whwqzxVqEDTO8N2Wks5dsbCxWNsLe0CKdHKYNA_OBxsNRD9-UaaepNHP-c_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am disappointed in Barack Obama. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 15:38:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12468 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 23:38:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 23:38:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 23:38:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 62685 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2009 23:38:13 -0000 Message-ID: <681012.61548.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ko99zmEVM1m_ntti47JswNCPAmnchC3tRtKRJzmaX93j4.uTvuwY65i3DHNFcUBG_0WQP.C98XAHVJsCRvJAZ2BRY8fme27ED9JeNSMqoBGsSZlJZuB5nvuaNRd7aFaDPdTx8NoDO9BTPqWutIa4xnp9tU0WXc2NDBKSB.0wwREMwQzcMvsjuYCTbMQlXy6PS9ZDw6X4aP7P_4KJNS7cuT83y4kp9XEasUgge6S43QwQM3_cN4np6pkC0nnE672OGzlBaImj0z6o7_uOxefHpUxxKGX1EYp0KKfZPlqgpNvJbRz5ftrdN7nRYShfdSxjr4CnVWPlCvjttDhLbxYLV65T5nIRaz2.2DFNAa1cAjv3gMYYTSvPjO8EJRxH6R5_ZaMh3FhdZJAipNRK9Gpc_2rKUBBC1eFjOoZTXfg1I36I0EuzbEzhmahBHS8sSIX4TdLv2zNxi7ucEWO1ggqCIjIrNRCupDH6z.fXiyfukuB3yZpLvVIHmHKlpl1om514JvcWFiandxe5dpvuR85Cyn.CRA_jlwm4yVQ2k8ViiY7lzFJ0RVa2aYIEMHLu7MmLzVp0lQXU0H4XHxlYro20RXf773W9i2OIuV15FwxymKlV2whq2ybY3YC31_yJfeX78DtYazgiOrfXQy3mD6DrWGNUvotiB1CKmwsEoFT0DM.5Z8gglbNEanfU_BL3ZSEFNItlWoWT6QiX704j7_WNYKWMGQxrVRtNC9mX1UI3mY1aTuWvxvRZCL2ow8Lp5RmVDmt3xbHKjzpBvgm48AP3ocmTedkLpU3C5.hvi2EfNxKx7ZaDkHV.jXv190hskJ7V7DLMzw5Yd7WKLztr8F3evE17387cq.oN6RSkHNUnPLM3MK6gOAwa1DgA5Op2Lqs_WA_i_Y13_oJnXJYFRPh87ZukCFQL7_s2gVdQ8Z.3stAAF.BkVlSo_gXgk9lcMpiO3DbRnEsF7O1AfsjGI67S88650IxIRxcbPE9zkxeHp2RMLJR87bDEqQhxMykIxK7.N8Ljiil2u_sjXQdNyqv5Hqr91Cxy3wXiftXkOcHM85YTWrPWhZV3X6RKy7YpCW3vP9cs5yLLE9RZagXjGRoDWUJsddZrSxL3fSalkigCHLV8C_cW92mL_DvBss.T.JGwEMd7.8mwwyc.wepY5HmSHTSRzPpDgviG5cY8Ak4R11FXsBJDFqd8Y.Oi7c2_hnfIvFs06jy96Pa7a2TMC2ddURnxyQfTvK2P.EJoDV2tn58Ti7k8yiO6qivhe57AKhF9c6QBn9bg8Cm5dWV3D_tcExM9XnVPFrCcSlANGvGuxd1CtFzqRBINgXVofjIhjzlGEjDXIZIOvUejomGTfa7LyA2TiOuy X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:38:13 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:38:13 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3AFA07BED2A944F488E21B960CEACB7B@experien120f09> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=pevVMXwNNTvmwoBlazfktnmchC952ejhxbDcyyjSNrBR7A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, you are da MAN!!! =C2=A0Nothing like beating somebody at their own ga= me, eh? --- On Sun, 11/15/09, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appare= nt Liabilit... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 1:46 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 that is a awesome idea ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mjgrant@aol. com=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 3:51 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liabilit... This same thread is running on the Part 15 Broadcasting group. One of the=20 members has a truly creative idea for dealing with the ground lead proble= m: Run a metal drain pipe from the ground up the side of the tower to the top.= =20 Fill the pipe with earth such that there is a continuous path of earth to= =20 the dirt at the base of the tower. Mount and bond the transmitter to the= =20 drain pipe for a "ground". The transmitter is now at "ground level" with = 0=20 inches of ground lead wire. That is what I call out of the box thinking. I am certain the FCC would=20 most likely knock a couple grand off the fine and several months off the= =20 sentence just for being creative. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 15:40:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18656 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 23:40:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 23:40:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 23:40:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 64215 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2009 23:40:36 -0000 Message-ID: <481548.63808.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: e5sNXMkVM1kCW3MDEqdv0VlqrKGTpecrdiP2yxwCPgF_3gM3kj0E3cmK7BRyBbczgFYe8BX_dIuTPPqxfO5PtRi_t0f5vhvqqqgBZiBwCQ8wstWk2p10XdkQUH7I.FZ4yJFNVXO77IlCjJOYm2H74Th1gLosjkszCTBRyji.PPtO4_VIgjzY_46k7nxGAPUM0GArxQLj_WsiIm3E4qwXEemAhS1EIDk7UsPfB9izzTamvJt.MXdWJBwNOcZYSYDiEID2EzAZdrTheSsk1Ez1jGw8vsHokLqJric4rZwxLwrn7Mr2_SlMKYuxnYrfUgXV0cMUsteAMw9YbsKmswFyncQrnVEV4F8y4wDhyhZBWeID3bb7IWaMHnw_pVyO3CyqMNac75r8K03eWxyVoKANjY2uoVxSsboZosllmjAs_92IZD.JMSxvLdGuip0DWutLcW.WJjr_BEqKgJvol6W.ugE9VTH2Ci_9kgsMgaXxLGAWSGKx9amwckYDcdmDLenqFmiTIqaD.x1Mium6Q.ObJfj5YcIDUWf3gToApl2Ip1D9FCwNdMFHKaJ17XVAl.z1c_yuhyWC0cEXtoGLCJYcAO68WzJR_ziSlsMmbFptm3_uRCXQVtCEEVyhWSYCeQXcLQziY5CJH1Prt1MejxCPew8yr22QI95kcOcoiEA9uA0ojGUreNl7bFGDi5ezHH4.PMeHa4j33P.g2hvdoBJJHZ38YI3rHvyLHHnhibYiSSksz.NYReAv0.ErGArXS.YppYSUmq8UjJoWdKfzS9q47xZ.xi_bDY9lPNkB.tzPc1KY3WhTUZhXYxDMEA2PIm3iZAVx_O3CBl7MKYLnYxCHIsZ1OMiT9xmgAj2Em.Rkx96AvLrogAOZPWVl7bFpZI3bQdJKkwx7yXBJlsChozzbETLrRVQg9OD3FKepmk141maHZe6MU.TjYJqWJfcI.WSzqfxk6Td.NgzpDIHEmRqsDBKuUcgPeczfxUFEpfHfGOpImu8Ktcu8nlFVhpy9YwfA.tEaQzTbfmj6zB0FOZDNC3BzRsPTjMU2Fsrnphz4R8Vy70cCPZ2S5mZBqiFHHWfmMujkoQ2fG2_5Tz3i7Yhm7d4emOQ.Jh2JP9Nt2EAJgKo0iRbHiKPgMW1GvQMfn6pQPOWmf8209vLIw4259ATmU9xlnpHI6JUnWcTJDvRhLVeEmuhiUgBLTyU9Q0Ig1_ji7Sde9xB59WMdlKTff8hsl0o2TtdE7DFXxdU60oeIGb.0GfHRvY.C.FjDiiUuIMc28Iz6WhPsxbXl7tsG5qRaSUE2dIuVHg-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:40:36 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:40:36 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B0057A1.6030909@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=SlVv6qer_TYjlDgML9VWOWu9623GLQTe4npbFCfaUQPIkg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please don't hate me for asking, but...he doesn't DRIVE those big block Che= vys, does he? --- On Sun, 11/15/09, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 2:33 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 hank smith wrote: > hello is it possible fore a totally blind person to become a broadcast en= gineer? >=20=20=20 YES! I have a very good friend who has been Blind since birth. No, he=20 isn't a Broadcast Engineer, he runs an Automotive Machine Shop. He is=20 also a General Class Ham Radio Operator and HOME BREWS his own High=20 Power Tube Type AM Radio Equipment! Most people who see him out and about have NO IDEA he is Blind. He has=20 no Dog or Cane. He also LOVES Big Block Chevys. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 15:44:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95773 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 23:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 23:43:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 23:43:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23265 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2009 23:42:56 -0000 Message-ID: <330651.20477.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: m5BBJyEVM1ncJQe4GiJ2ScEXYU8hpB3TDhYNUHizepg.lAqc6XCXYWKicql_0ITzu6_1T.7viZMoK.HPViol9qEh95AxBj2uVeSdyIvqT9330iwZXIR0UzNtBdOw0RfTKQ4HlEnWmSXaPyP2W4mhq_EsLcKAppGx6V0gPti1WnFp_q8H_BYwgHiFFlZM6skcFFPVPQg6tL_ROW1X207nFeCasCQFN_bj3g8fs9aOc5fTgbgITCSYDJZHNSupiWR6F5abdZTrQLe544OXhe8IsNI9JJs99V7UBHfORikbIm9Ex5Rahsg4E23c_Hzbni1BWZLYoZSRRV116B47Lo92mOJ5Kxr.YabDLkTn08jok1or2yqIOLtLr_D6D93wFq.vHDciTKKNZn0PGRxY65a8gxxkW3.bwUYMv4Wdbu7YMHfLOrmembmWWyrhSVubHu7a68xvAWbtnGtRAuaok4wAMGls69pi72lRLShUZzgWX6UmywDrkLJGfM8FTxeexFJF6SGxa1Njkn6reeYYApETdbCc1T9oTYmzVo4LAma5sZZzy1cowTkTb0yuw_5Ts43MjBDdAf0V4rWVTGMVwRU3wzTscZq6CnRlBPbL1KRLO4OFB86OIjP2IXVVjqYNrZSu.abBZr8a7TIS4jzyj8knjUdx.yerRHefnTDbLedrBvWMEOQD.pP9GUv.hNjAhB1QM2vwqqsddC2Ks6Ic.prmPXpWMDlIQv1F3FE_GN9YHlNNAGp300cI8__6aMj6OhITRbXB288M5dFU50_mH0LoWREe.DaUxoania1anDObsg9Xeu14roif_OgELF6glHO1eNZjqZjZoOso8GVy0QqKus3BEvVZywv3CmSev75Fz2byQ7mBTGgf0q62XFQIdStTcqCK53vu_m2_tyB7INgqF9i_qJZoaX6oguH4y.BtKmlYXJSXD_A_UYG7bYmMkhVcS.BZnfB9.z2Ew2rbH1bTvAVgjhPSdZM3WFNesh705XV_ZmA1BDHrpakQPHXI0XenW2Pp.7p7UosUx67IhW3KNETr4Z_Qe0wSNCsnG0w4ZtDQAAUmBacvtJIcDdZjCXcfxQZhXMNnqhUme2ETdQxWDSv2PW9bsSVCAd7QltxCP9h_aF_jt9hZzEsEqrurmAfrMwRhJCE9pJI6F3aWv9XTWGstwmPAnSk63xQxisRR01YH3oZcIfAwFnSnCf_dGXLF.VvBbWyneu7crqBNUKmw_EV8XPHAmJm7GiIX3M.pUMndWo9uBIXJD5UXZUkd4V0ZJ1SqZQbtkETPJxCnXadVxpwsexVkyw-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:42:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:42:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B005945.6030505@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TCdd0TIfiu-wybHjNbGp-mwE7PavSJF3a0c6frVBHNtI2w X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would you by chance mean the kind of SWR problems that occur, say, when the= impedance of the coax is altered by a few nails? =C2=A0Or an open circuit?= =C2=A0GOOD FOR YOU!G --- On Sun, 11/15/09, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appare= nt Liabilit... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 2:40 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 george russell wrote: > CBers have turned my crank backwards for a long time, too. We have one i= n the area that has one whopping linear, Last week we had a local CBer on CB Channel 6 that was splattering all=20 the way to 75 Meters! A couple of Local Hams had a Fox Hunt and FOUND=20 HIM. We gave him some SWR Problems LOL --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 15:48:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50230 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 23:48:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 23:48:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 23:48:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 11510 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2009 23:48:04 -0000 Message-ID: <691964.10300.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Jb_dUr0VM1nZNlE3hdlFCQV0aNuhmvgI57DlvqeBTUhjlwzJ7fUlVDv._74RLYwdsOBu43NLHsMSj7uxG7.t0VPI2TqIIgLyzJy1HnS1CPOwMVYX0luwxmwhduBaAl0b6A2bnicoL9VfdHDwaIr.MslDtolswUBEn2.mXv5pElVQ3sBZTZeiEWT5yShv2NDrm2rWHQxE6kLGeg20FQhh3ypigue7ceq612r9rDtxr0fVlSCnaz7UAHHEp_LEVYdyCHxjm6kk3x0o1.625UH9t21DQM74VItae1ewo3hRMPWc2.ZHa4OOTOyHNk7naX_CDlHWXPY3WXzhEKdKe_IBJxuFW1asuWv4Ejmwnza88wTAg6p6amLUlDtj3_f_utRzFVldpo5lWt.qd7KTv7VTkQmaXj5f6hsLCpw18wcenlgYhV9JFP7HGQQpfG9qjQ2Olq2wC37zJIHw07DAQW9sxOA0pnVfRf65v.8qVRPGKpxE0At.Vfca53yt4d7LlkKkhyjWyadISrLcqqQ6_6I15yDnu4ZHLWqK7X7d9Og_5ctXmyKnmz_zVSM6_447dnCb16e2RoBpIFMvYqHFXJo0pkybHYyky04Xaz2Vn1bvjtSNX9byzcmhYPJqn62apHpC_d.kEV6f82ETus16dOl7n5woxmdi0MyKHXGvSZvwngMHvMMVopJzkZnOTg3YRhJ7b_z8WbWGEwDjyZ03cR1PohRN0_WW4YalOj44Cb.QgKwIionc3DCI23fIfD83BtD5gkCuksKCF9VHUPGnx_tIMPv2jZIaYAt17SGfbjjbsftFmzHoIRiC1doaUTYWkw.aTxvCjoEmJObpHez5WpnsK5XDgQBoi5SSd8HV1h9TbxBqi7e1xEEIlqDlPQjY8u_QtTS1NcaG5oMzAWTyjqm255L0Wr9MMnvnYsmzfDNElrFW8Jq._bTJY2kmOrUyD1edr.B49.ddxg5HIo3T2_SxA_o6Plmope7ZgORCOeMlOGICylX.w1ry_6IxvjDy1jYVSIEkGFe8rIQqBMRXbk5HdTy2VLb7OhUhpt2nh17CtowdaMqOxUOI3VsGnj0YMWtDwEsmTNYN2zsCWNWYff_rPwJjMVB31QVIj3AqRk45mU2wBlJ1kHN2t3h9bAJjj4DR6vJfZVEXSYZgmk7X0B2MkS6OGkZfsZVQbE0W2RCzzKJFsKvDnlRXDnHbjYAWMVV09pdMFf7j0p11O73zv.4JMAD2xoCJtXsj9eTc2yKtaA_u7omWQFdkSXgG8j_JyHWdt7mPIcDbtCDvNQcgfGaT_4mw6rwEoKMuE9DX7_VpiD5Gyq3WSiOV6HjhG3JoEB82bbzMdkoB27xU51o7y4g5eqbljaA- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:48:04 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:48:04 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B00B30A.5080606@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=C5QCCSazjJ_J5HlcQpGKwD3L8viIYHWCd_F-CFsKK7CTOw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They really need to bring back the no-duplication rule, along with at least= a dozen others! G --- On Sun, 11/15/09, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appare= nt Liabilit... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 9:03 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 mjgrant@aol. com wrote: > Both are money grubbers who would broadcast the yelps of=20 > puppies being put through a meatgrinder if there was a buck in it. Very TRUE! I am LUCKY work for a Small Group of Catholic Stations. At=20 least they CARE about the listeners. To Cheap Channel's credit, they do LMA out their two AMs in this market=20 they don't want to Program. (WLFJ & WGVL) Entercom is Simulcasting WORD 950 and WYRD 1330 with their WYRD-FM 106.3=20 that duplicates the coverage of 950 100% and 1330 90%. That is TWO 5 KW=20 AM signals that are going to waste and just sucking up Power Bills. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 15:52:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48962 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 23:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 23:52:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 23:52:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 76062 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2009 23:51:56 -0000 Message-ID: <550121.76018.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: z0GY68kVM1lRGMY3yM3mgxj2LtIJv4NjeywW9JG9urOAgRkfUP47_k6p1ItBxQ5tfQvzejV827.YKpY.ftU1yPWIkGWghwCP1Tdto23CLOO2qc8ANHZkiT9pb._QvLUchxiaajVzYRa1XkYnGb4T4rRQ2SIag7da6M7AlwwDAQE0lmHfembEDHfLPM8Esw5msf5NxzW3Anzg4oBiPJ0sqmmFfUOEWzxgn0Jdek.9gBCxBZLg_BDxcwKshGwqvHv5f70LhXMJNFjz4tPlR2R.cnmjVtcwsNS4.y7i5kpAwd4q5V8s97X2qL2sm9HOiwSNPd_oIgMLQY2eyW56OVqJUq.zXB.I121UYdV5ePdDtREwaHqOtzMIpXuwbQ7nlgVvkxI7uv3haEHVaeqATqlQYtGcnMAG3k9BBPKxLAyraXYmQ_6OYfAsCrYO6rzwX9kK1_5eHCHCr.Lr7N.yVVaUnU8EhHqp77B21ohxqgWL5g0LmaYOShHzxRspwq8V.nVhRgmUt9deMMD6J6jXzJJxAT0fKj6Sm56Oo8uE_hr4MbgOo.SHXyHQPF_QjSwxEJsFMGgyHm8qzaImIPHhQiFTNiQo47ps2DhSZsfoYyYJmE4hWHlhNdwMfEIexjL9vqfVpCzUvrhC4fHuI2ByOP6Pwo6JdY1xj95FxdEJ_9uEQ..XCWvyAHTtTgqgM7dPEJqOUMatw9s0dV6bkk9eRXV28Fu6AuuetDn3NV1H0j1jwbXoHSRS9Z80BeoevpJrAsGUMMCa9LETe8ELzogNPGuY5qGJpZiT964OWaTQjX7_GSIQqESxF2cB3RUiIsNlzAiUlG7Qt1OGX6fAU4cufRFTPya6TAc7Rz3VGdY0UBRsP5nl7SGHKfiTZAlcpIozu8K24I4J9isbi_w39PEkEenEoB7u5EPnQCCgaWHYB7U52PhQ_n__Z21mxldtwHBDUFDszqEVwPLYrUbu2HCaQ3_898LHut6.ut1wwaYQPnF6OV1x7CC_x6ZMTaYeRXlPzHP41aMgxaHvTfdMkMc6MuUzc.3hleIXYo_RTK5KiZdknL4PS88zoF5Ibc99RCWqgOmvIFZl0k0p2KNd5Indca3Qwun34qKmTvWKWI5pfKy6Yc3qiRa0vHGdx1kTASNmSt6PXgFB.eBfSU7yX6y.juZCfxoObYOicfocfN_VFEaKPA7oAn_PqOkZ99e9X0JAGEEoN6iD1Zjj75Bq X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:51:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:51:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B00BD94.4080603@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Js4DaXd_OivIB3-KmXradhh6qsJcVCtMrDNlcHDZc33WPw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Around here (southern MI) it's a lot of truckers, a bunch of jive, and a GR= EAT DEAL of, shall we say, "commerce", as in commercial uh, mammals that bu= ilds dams. =C2=A0Channel 14, the "professional lady's" best friend! =C2=A0G= (and before anyone asks, NO!) --- On Sun, 11/15/09, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appare= nt Liabilit... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 9:48 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 mjgrant@aol. com wrote: > Would anyone like to take bets on how many teabaggers, birthers, etc.=20 > have CBs? I dunno, but a BUNCH of them are on 75 & 40 Meters. I know because I am one= . Most of what I hear on 11 Meters is Truckers on Channel 19 and the LIDs=20 on Channel 6. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 15:55:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11343 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2009 23:55:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Nov 2009 23:55:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2009 23:55:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78288 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2009 23:55:45 -0000 Message-ID: <542059.78040.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hOGd1dsVM1nG6nSUUhzYu0grHAex3wmELYgZx.MBSgPG9iQQtSCoBW1D.0wHL5ezzFGrC.oKoq51oQb1iWfpi51nTzyKslQBZ.69p32Xm53aQNe__gqEQCHKZipm77d.6WUdtEOYM4meRyyH8z3YhRWCNQPwu91rgcoVSMycnQKOgBWg71ms3iLRNxllPlG3UCMZt.GDy_i_7..KzqvN7cPiohYkmD8kHBgU.Cr0ePR.jgg0T0z7jIA3qLU0cQ1BR7746DFIwR_pvdSG.nkeeqhPSo.s025SRBljf.6Q3enHaOm1Pjd545yz_K_Cz1yPrnQbKwIud9IBV8_DL8S9EWfRt5uXoIm4blKqADXxPcax9Wg9.wPlcp53.M5xdqcUPEgaAq9RrREzW2q7iECtIeP1QbtOA5SkCBX8Tw4ePMl1xNRkrA1.j.UEU9CXu2haKypobV8pVaE.MiOR0.75qtqokiVwjBYeTTssegqYcw_R_KUkXJ0IeNq77XM5UW9pXGTnfeVHuiGUvqCqYgTO_EPvNRGYuEa3RyFQtsff7WJ0SLIjRvF33txoynnSH9q9UNj00dJRtLYEpkLXlH5bWe8s7EZyArBuODKvz_2Cvr_umJVVyBgj67P5.Vs5QlIkkMLu71fOdbMCbwGw25.2kXfKIZ7jcyQoh5JnM1Cnm3BBNbpGWIdGwhCUnKtda3Ok8W3VjMLkdz7qp8roGMCwK0Zsk8uUEROsd1mz.7SIZasmaKaSn_QUmV_27SziruS8Lq8Kwx6xXEaazfWxVk3xXqkLnF3CAOt7S3yILA0PkDfJt0_dVQcA.jnfyE5cuYq99MQFbbWNNVaj9_sEPxIHVlHMhv._vNzbCmwY8nbyCv2oSwCW2ZBfDCu5rNMeZ4crUPFMg_dQZvjlzSHPlROUGCb2rn9Ak8rZ0Z6PVBe9bg4uLuZsCqw2E8MzVW169.9gLgw58fgK_4OxWN1kOAUUyfy.pePnQgd3_4mM2XBtVucU_giPoVB.VurGsioPBukJtdie87XsGyYc0lIKJrrr2mJJ6VFd9VKUenZlA3P3XoOJqvYM1qa7Ik17ScY77p_VBiahohlz3nB2HBI9X8fvBH7LrhqxrDAPMGGtP4X4zJjpnlmRMWCHpCsw_Ln8_3gtNlMrGC0RrlDaJF1_P33EBuANCSgFgHeVftT0rcXdiX7WMt7JR8KilUlUmzZ4CTnsvnMIxI89twHJ1HUfCVGlGhaGhER3dCoCWENmSXlfmHmf_skTkNLUqllIRpjOis8eydw- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:55:45 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:55:45 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B017A15.6000206@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=TtMXkpktUT5roPV_ZHNHhf9oqBv7QzTTBlNSXL7oDB5_SQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is anti-Obama stuff everywhere in the RF spectrum where voice is allo= wed. =C2=A0Ain't freedom great? =C2=A0G --- On Mon, 11/16/09, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appare= nt Liabilit... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 11:13 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 hank smith wrote: > what is the lids? >=20=20=20 Radio IDIOTS > and what goes on on 75 and 40 meters? You hear a LOT of Anti-Obama people on the air there. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 16:01:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27959 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 00:01:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 00:01:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 00:01:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80968 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2009 00:01:18 -0000 Message-ID: <655802.80666.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: g8br8FsVM1mVZZ74ue62MU0ju2O71aqAJpHLnwM30H6WaMKVLpD19qTVEP02tN1Na7CuXw3diqUZ14q6sOdXMbT4nsmpXzaPp4.KVNUnQfaFifuOhK0LyTPPomqN_iy8xv4bfgGPw5oWtUCDWpPtXjARYzvLO6pxW96ulb8c7aqFZ2mti9l4ytLUqa9kxkPJMxiWTNTvQtS1RRtJS2qD5e4GXZC2szZTsY2iwcYMeb.yv6xfSyJ0g_pV_DcYSo9.V6t2DfHev8xFu4FqhsZVWgF6KhfhC8vp2sE7NH43zp6_C7EVxYGpNbSihKmgEt6zUSgin_k51s2UgxgcCyuOXiU8FOmdp_hYydePr1im40GIsUhiLJF64D3Ggk8xc1pgaNf6ikxHqQOEEVnvkJE3yfsUn35Vcd.YmN_DEAgb711SSjsft2aC7S04D87rgnXUNnhyc.p19OstaPR8LaMFGTsL3ccY7zQRNLND7CYErve35D9LfDM91LWZuyOk24tJRPN.Z8WZ5dAMVBX2jBRvI4UDLiRcGXV4ZkTAfrEjhvYFmxKWvvS2XDmfpx3JDae2xtHWLQmYWNuItCsXCZPjY890pRR2t7fI1cJth451334XduU1GiFvO9VHuxG7VjcjuwvPQ0.3Whq7UZsUwZhX2AOZxrKWiTF8dHbwKh4vD3gXiQXC3ZppmRPq1osQy6.JVbrZO8Jzqg9DeLw5XnHu5Ug.jZ8w8azQBdlPC3ADl6YXnlOXHtc9OqIhf82Eaq5mEQarOd_S5ybG3BvwApsc520woDPdfSFEcQY78tAthra7z5XpzK_X.y6QPSEDqUuWB7mqfbSbEM8BOHOMvneGXkr8xLwkJBLkV_O0CSbiZd_wAXbE8MFIqp0BRIEAcBkbhRU2TeXMvICcvyBdGYVB9I_MH7phMcaTRDTDCpjaJlB.74i28veqiFvjQ9Nilz73z4OqBKxtB2R5dMkPVuQP4LZGmnqEyQwbIEkSHu2HAVrt61Xed1qM2d6d8gz9rpRjRs7uFLeHgBJVs5HtskPDkwEBEju7ID8_NIML.kpeDG9R3c3_sOgur7W42mhZhY38RSxvXdVitLq9DJBI1LXLFtsfN5vS1JHv5FUxN02RlEi1fAsm12nXM3fD2HYOMZFEOF2ZrbryvJWZ9PPe0mIkjX.ylN1EOlcBkDnAjjYs.X9tUka648Bvzi_kbu_Jd5qwXDQPuqjT1wEuHeUnSgHRug.TEByOskOPx8B7lRdlOQws6S_i6C1KTAy7ufRgX5k5qO4- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:01:18 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:01:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B01DBAA.800@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=HELFczMHEaT65Zu64z3EvzTI5eLjoDxxQg55GLguO5-6Nw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it just me, or isn't there something idiotic in calling such a notice AP= PARENT liability?Duh, can't the FCC take accurate enough measurements to be= CERTAIN that a station is "liable"? =C2=A0(Oh sorry, it WASN'T you on the = air, it was that station in the next state..our bad) --- On Mon, 11/16/09, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appare= nt Liabilit... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 6:09 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Powell E. Way III wrote: > Radio locator isn't correct here. I was in the money areas and the FM was= distorted and unlistenable.=20 >=20=20=20 Where? > The guys that are LMA'ing SPORTS on 1440 wanted to purchase 1070 but Dr. = Cherry was not very, ah, obliging. His demands were just unreasonable. It seems that some CASH from the Sports Guys would be better than being=20 Illegally Silent. Since Cherry does NOT own the land and buildings, the=20 equipment is horribly Obsolete, and 1070 won't fit anywhere else, what=20 does Cherry THINK he has? --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 16:27:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64078 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 00:27:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 00:27:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f211.google.com) (209.85.217.211) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 00:27:23 -0000 X-Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3so5391784gxk.15 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:27:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.14.10 with SMTP id r10mr4363089agi.5.1258417629890; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:27:09 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1660734yxd.8.2009.11.16.16.27.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:27:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <48F978B486FF47BD8AC67340D970C2F6@experien120f09> To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:27:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.211 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=CAQVY5PrOJKQEwj9KhC-_aXDlcwfmAPfXnxDqgSOm7ZK_aJRaXWy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am starting to not care fore him either don't feel bad ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:31 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... I am disappointed in Barack Obama. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 16:29:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42002 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 00:29:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 00:29:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f181.google.com) (209.85.211.181) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 00:29:40 -0000 X-Received: by ywh11 with SMTP id 11so5796526ywh.9 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:28:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.55.24 with SMTP id h24mr2003692agk.62.1258417719513; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:28:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm1688499yxg.42.2009.11.16.16.28.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:28:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: <330651.20477.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:28:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=XVTcr0JSB9KW5JBUbP9OdMoD0DLaM9H0edJW7IR_XsXrWx0WdxIN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what does it sound like when you do that to him? Hank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liabilit... =20=20=20=20 Would you by chance mean the kind of SWR problems that occur, say, when t= he impedance of the coax is altered by a few nails? Or an open circuit? G= OOD FOR YOU!G --- On Sun, 11/15/09, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liabilit... To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 2:40 PM =20=20=20 george russell wrote: > CBers have turned my crank backwards for a long time, too. We have one = in the area that has one whopping linear, Last week we had a local CBer on CB Channel 6 that was splattering all=20 the way to 75 Meters! A couple of Local Hams had a Fox Hunt and FOUND=20 HIM. We gave him some SWR Problems LOL --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 16 16:39:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29850 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 00:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 00:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 00:38:57 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.69] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091116183821001178200010.0) with SMTP id <20091116183821001178200010> for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:38:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004101ca671e$6d24f9a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:38:21 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: a bit OT but worth the read- Fw: Loss Of Trust: How Citadel Media Raped Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=85U6mNgI3s0rfKoMS_wKvBeBipSzwB4QIE2PrJP7VCWNvODni5fI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A prime example of how NOT to run radio. Scott Todd From: Eric Rhoads [mailto:radioheadlines@radioink.com] Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 3:11 PM Subject: Loss Of Trust: How Citadel Media Raped Radio Loss Of Trust: How Citadel Media Just Raped Radio A message from Radio Ink Publisher Eric Rhoads Before I begin: In the interest of full disclosure, Citadel Media (formerly ABC Radio Networks) is an advertiser of Radio Ink. Imagine, if you will, that your local radio station has spent 15 years and loads of money establishing a local personality. We all know that the personal connection to the talent on our radio stations is one of the most important assets we have. Radio's value is not its signal or its tower. The value comes from the relationship we have with our listeners. Our Worst Nightmare When I was a programming consultant, our worst nightmare was having to find a way to take audience away from a heritage air talent who had a lifetime relationship with the listeners. We knew that if we could get that talent to jump ship, there was often more loyalty to the talent than to the radio station itself. If we could take the two or three most established personalities and move them to our station, we could have a much more successful start -up and destroy a competitor. If we couldn't get them to come to us, we would look for ways to get them hired out of the market. That's how important a strong local talent can be. Sounding Local Today, thousands of radio stations around the country rely on radio network feeds of formats and talent. The big sell is that you cannot afford to hire personalities this good in most small towns. Technology has become so flawless that local listeners most of the time don't know that a talent is voicetracked or coming from a satellite network. The ability to sound local has improved significantly. Therefore, to the local listeners, the talent they are hearing is local talent. Sleight of Hand Last night we received a press release about how Citadel Media had shifted some talent around. What the spin didn't indicate is that these changes were because of a bloodbath of network talent firings. Today my phone has been ringing off the hook from affiliates who are either immediately canceling their Citadel contracts or talking to alternative providers with the intent of canceling. Why? As one local manager I spoke with said, "Our stations success has been built around two air personalities who have been on our air for 15 years. Suddenly, they have been replaced. Our listeners don't know these are satellite guys. They are local as far as they are concerned." Destroying Hundreds of Stations Imagine the impact of this decision, which was economically driven. This casual decision to remove some high-priced talent on several formats is disrupting the competitive advantage on hundreds of radio stations in one fell swoop. One format alone may have several hundred stations that had built their entire businesses around those personalities over decades. Their competitors are popping open the champagne because the toughest talent to beat just got replaced by people who don't have a bond with listeners. Of course, doing this across several formats could destroy (yes, destroy) the businesses of hundreds and perhaps thousands of radio stations. All to save a little money on highly paid talent. Self-Destruction This cost-saving move, which corporate executives may see as harmless, could result in loss of ALL of their format affiliates. Citadel Media's competitors are on the phone today with every affiliate. In fact, while I was talking to one manager today, he received a call from Dial Global. Killing Trust Look, I would not want the debt, the pressure, the bankruptcy Citadel may be facing soon. And I too would be looking to save as much money as possible. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes (though I'll be one step closer when they cancel their advertising because of this missive). But don't make material changes that kill the trust of your customers. If you want to do it at your own radio stations and risk losing audience and revenue, so be it. But today millions of radio listeners woke up to new talent, wondering where the people who have been their friends for decades have gone. Radio owners across America just lost their heritage brands, and that has to severely impact their business. Advertisers have talent loyalties too, and this move could kill these affiliates. How Dare You? Where is Citadel Media's loyalty to its affiliates? Without them, they have no business. How can affiliates trust Citadel Media now, when they've raped the airwaves in hundreds of markets that built their business on the heritage brands and air talent? Farid, how dare you treat your customers like this? Broken Eggs Corporate responsibility must go beyond financial responsibility to shareholders. Thousands of affiliate radio stations had all their eggs in the Citadel Media basket, and those eggs were broken over a decision to make the next quarter look a little better. The ironic thing is that this move will worsen shareholder value because of affiliates jumping ship, knowing they can never trust the company again. Undo This Decision If Farid Suleman were savvy, he'd call all those fired talent back, apologize to his affiliates, tell them this was a terrible error in judgment and that he did not realize the negative impact to his affiliates. This, and only this, will save his format business and might prevent a class action lawsuit. Revenue Lost I don't make a habit of cutting my own throat. I know I'll never see another advertising dime from Citadel Media. I know Farid will probably decide not to make his annual appearance on the group heads' panel at our Forecast conference. I don't care. I'm livid, and someone has to speak up and defend these radio stations, even at the expense of losing a substantial advertiser. Hundreds of radio stations may be destroyed over this, millions of dollars in advertising may be lost, entire businesses may be destroyed because of this decision, which could impact the incomes of hundreds or thousands of radio station owners. This decision was simply irresponsible. Best, Eric Rhoads Radio Ink Please don't reply to this e-mail. To comment, click here. TWITTER FACEBOOK LINKEDIN -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Message from Deborah Parenti, VP/General Manager of Radio Ink: Important Independent Broadcasters Panel to Be Held at Forecast If you own a small or independent radio station, we invite you to join us at Radio Ink Forecast, less than four weeks from now in New York. 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(dialup-4.154.35.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm19903882qwf.26.2009.11.16.16.51.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:51:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B01F39B.7000201@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:51:39 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <481548.63808.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <481548.63808.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Nt0uFLK7wnEk1ejMoqByc5ZHnJUIL_SyqHXEUPGxprRl35e2aRct4QnFYMEEBA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 george russell wrote: > Please don't hate me for asking, but...he doesn't DRIVE those big block Chevys, does he? ROFLMAO! No, he just takes them apart, Blueprints them, and sells them to Race Teams. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:01:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11258 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 01:01:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 01:01:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f189.google.com) (209.85.211.189) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 01:01:08 -0000 X-Received: by ywh27 with SMTP id 27so5349214ywh.31 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:00:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.58.2 with SMTP id g2mr3655556aga.73.1258419608045; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:00:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.35.52? (dialup-4.154.35.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 36sm52703yxh.67.2009.11.16.17.00.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:00:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B01F587.5060602@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:59:51 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <330651.20477.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <330651.20477.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=F4XZgJRyo0lAA3gzDKL8HAbA9QPqRzZpKHAPARuqTTz9_tm4PWdM_c5c_7KM4g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 george russell wrote: > Would you by chance mean the kind of SWR problems that occur, say, when the impedance of the coax is altered by a few nails? It is the kind of SWR problems that if you get a Tubing Cutter at Home Depot, and cut the Shield out of his RG-8 leaving only the Center Conductor so his Receive Audio does not let him KNOW he has an Antenna Issue, so he KEYS that BIG HONKIN' Amplifier up at FULL STEAM and lets the magic smoke out! A few other CBers had their "Moonshaker" or whatever those poorly designed beams are called pulled out of the Trees with 4X4 Chevys, and a few of them had their Coax Trimmed up for them. Hey, if the FCC won't do it, call a few Pissed Off Hams that WILL! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 17:01:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54919 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 01:01:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 01:01:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.80) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 01:01:55 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4675 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2009 01:01:55 -0000 Message-ID: <945701.16774.qm@web112013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: jl8OHlwVM1lsyFhaL5Hs3LkYXnuYP80M0EGHEcIHc4miYv_hsgjbjcRJm6gY2qd_tUepmPwGH.BtoRGxnpa.pltOVi8TxXOgYGNhP1px_WdlZqBbOaMbEoxorr3SG0XAPVLjIwrJQFyiAse0_iArcKRP9LcO7VsALJVbVqVHSKUcsqBwWUewqLX09PvzzrpQNQE6MjxN8ktMYr3GI8BbykOX8uuNrTX0jcaNq2X4OQAQKtPSPaCHU22Cnjoucdd5iQtmE_cKHuvm36uTTeYk612GRLPj_qerFDQo.xqDvHHX4aI602AfyfAvyXvLIn1qtU5spCmvgyMbhXhKeTjCoTHXIBXY.WeRq.MKw5LdMKh3Qu9b X-Received: from [209.213.19.69] by web112013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:01:54 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/211.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 References: <261614.21688.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B01BE09.2020302@gmail.com> <401418.22760.qm@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B01DBAA.800@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:01:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B01DBAA.800@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.80 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=rexqj59VBv-wfiEFwJpNKDcA-mXVqzywdAR2CIc-zZ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Spartanburg. Along part of the I-26 /85 area. As for Dr. Cherry he was acting like it was gold. Who owns the land and buildings? And what's the story on that? Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- From: kj4hyd Powell E. Way III wrote: > Radio locator isn't correct here. I was in the money areas and the FM was distorted and unlistenable. > Where? > The guys that are LMA'ing SPORTS on 1440 wanted to purchase 1070 but Dr. Cherry was not very, ah, obliging. His demands were just unreasonable. It seems that some CASH from the Sports Guys would be better than being Illegally Silent. Since Cherry does NOT own the land and buildings, the equipment is horribly Obsolete, and 1070 won't fit anywhere else, what does Cherry THINK he has? -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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(dialup-4.154.35.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm196390ywg.4.2009.11.16.17.05.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:05:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B01F6B2.8080106@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:04:50 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <691964.10300.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <691964.10300.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=jz64G5teiTMbwMU_10ilEZP6Kc3UNg2s2AOLrCuBlZQabQMcBCUjCjZ-yEZBdw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 george russell wrote: > They really need to bring back the no-duplication rule, along with at least a dozen others! AMEN! They NEED to make each station go back to having a Full-Time Engineer. That way when the poor slob gets BORED, he will actually FIX the Directional Array and do PROOFS and such like that. Yes, BOTH of my Stations passed an Audio Proof within a Couple of Months. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:08:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 367 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 01:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 01:08:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f199.google.com) (209.85.210.199) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 01:08:46 -0000 X-Received: by yxe37 with SMTP id 37so5350929yxe.31 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:08:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.45.36 with SMTP id s36mr6039713ybs.334.1258420125675; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:08:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.35.52? (dialup-4.154.35.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm420652ywc.21.2009.11.16.17.08.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:08:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B01F78E.7070403@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:08:30 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <330651.20477.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=P_fTlqZAH4g5uGjmck8q6dxsvvqZyTJoJFlz6IqFZ8zC069Q__FKfimNe_p4jw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > what does it sound like when you do that to him? "ZZZZZZZZZZZAPP!" or if he has enough power, "BANG!" -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:12:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18773 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 01:12:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 01:12:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f173.google.com) (209.85.221.173) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 01:12:31 -0000 X-Received: by qyk3 with SMTP id 3so2626934qyk.1 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:11:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.117.8 with SMTP id o8mr5226326qaq.227.1258420281372; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:11:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.35.52? (dialup-4.154.35.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm19986868qwi.12.2009.11.16.17.11.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:11:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B01F829.7040305@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:11:05 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <247655.65269.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002201ca664e$60915560$d503fea9@stodd> <4B00A477.2070302@gmail.com> <512146.34255.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <512146.34255.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=DH0KheKDKo7B2nhOOKblZTCfJr5FYtWJuXIXzxbAZM5EWgTClR-s6v8-6AXayA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III wrote: > So, when ARE you running that test? BTW the BTA 1R1 is easier to put on 1885 than the Gates... > My BTA1R1 is in PERFECT Condition and it is my "BABY" It is NOT going to be Modified. In fact, I may have a Medium Wave "Project" it may power... The BC-500H is no problem to get on 1885, but can be more of a pain to put it on 75 Meters. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:13:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12025 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 01:13:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 01:13:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.147) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 01:13:49 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so1014829qwc.42 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:13:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.74.194 with SMTP id v2mr5230723qaj.359.1258420429148; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:13:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.35.52? (dialup-4.154.35.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm19983511qwa.13.2009.11.16.17.13.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:13:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B01F8BD.1010507@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:13:33 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4B00BD94.4080603@gmail.com> <6516B16474454AC6A446E2CA56DE9CB4@experien120f09> <4B017A15.6000206@gmail.com> <90C483237DD34E97BFDD225FF0907D8A@experien120f09> In-Reply-To: <90C483237DD34E97BFDD225FF0907D8A@experien120f09> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=QrI4cS5x5p_vQomhPxAs2AXxV8osT7RnhX3r500roWr6JJSZrqLwpXXYOaS_sA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > are you a anti obomma? YES! I think he is a Communist SCUM. That is all I will say about this on a radio group. For the record, I am a Libertarian. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:14:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66494 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 01:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 01:14:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f183.google.com) (209.85.211.183) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 01:14:26 -0000 X-Received: by ywh13 with SMTP id 13so6907195ywh.29 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:14:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.189.1 with SMTP id r1mr5695354agp.109.1258420450835; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:14:10 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm200697yxe.20.2009.11.16.17.14.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:14:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9D854E34F45C4A6EB70601BC1EBC217B@experien120f09> To: References: <330651.20477.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B01F587.5060602@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:13:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=3cxPZ0o0KRqH-2FptabEc4owdO8QEvR3MzRDGG6cWtisSprqPE-T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable write on dude ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kj4hyd=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:59 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liabilit... =20=20=20=20 george russell wrote: > Would you by chance mean the kind of SWR problems that occur, say, when= the impedance of the coax is altered by a few nails? It is the kind of SWR problems that if you get a Tubing Cutter at Home=20 Depot, and cut the Shield out of his RG-8 leaving only the Center=20 Conductor so his Receive Audio does not let him KNOW he has an Antenna=20 Issue, so he KEYS that BIG HONKIN' Amplifier up at FULL STEAM and lets=20 the magic smoke out! A few other CBers had their "Moonshaker" or whatever those poorly=20 designed beams are called pulled out of the Trees with 4X4 Chevys, and a= =20 few of them had their Coax Trimmed up for them. Hey, if the FCC won't do it, call a few Pissed Off Hams that WILL! --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:14:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48617 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 01:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 01:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f196.google.com) (209.85.211.196) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 01:14:42 -0000 X-Received: by ywh34 with SMTP id 34so5408271ywh.1 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:14:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.8.21 with SMTP id 21mr3567500agh.37.1258420480990; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:14:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1837154yxg.30.2009.11.16.17.14.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:14:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <548035C1EDC04E359F4C3D0D044F8C27@experien120f09> To: References: <330651.20477.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B01F78E.7070403@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:14:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=02ZEmBixBYT5hX_GZjdTfwaXV2xhKypzTh9MecqnscHkLiSuGGGT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable awesome ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kj4hyd=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liabilit... =20=20=20=20 hank smith wrote: > what does it sound like when you do that to him? "ZZZZZZZZZZZAPP!" or if he has enough power, "BANG!" --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 17:17:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31095 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 01:17:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 01:17:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.85) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 01:17:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12157 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2009 01:17:22 -0000 Message-ID: <45592.7507.qm@web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KqUC3VEVM1lnXV4PSXxlufeqnEkqPbADpW432uVSaR.8RuQzQ72TFNyHslyG5HIxRnvubzfOagzjaOrmmGOFhy6JSXaM_4i1_okJjFCFyqLJ3XZwyUlyvJnuvELh8p3VqDsO2QAFJMrktlrN4Wc8jqqSsfLZVPat5oH.iAB4YH6XGvy0x5crw5RZ7jLgoHFEgdZmTDUU_N9gHFlVfdFOTy4dmpUmteA6WWi9gNBacplmKcR0rz2XzUw.qnaU60Z5LpRAiYYl4OIomHKYmXInCWS.gWopNk_oyKCsh4v83s6EX8X2XlRjAv7KHSwXlIvr3ls- X-Received: from [209.213.19.69] by web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:17:21 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/211.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 References: <691964.10300.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B01F6B2.8080106@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:17:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B01F6B2.8080106@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Causing CB'ers high SWR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=gtHhJZY_LBoF8IFizhCkGYh7Axb5Nt_RwZA5BQVyfS0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Take a straight pin, press it into the coax. cut the end off and go over the spot with a black magic marker. That's what a friend did in another state. The CB'er launched tubes in the linear a few times. I am not sure he figured it out for awhile. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:32:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90517 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 01:32:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 01:32:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f173.google.com) (209.85.211.173) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 01:32:31 -0000 X-Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so8352067ywh.22 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:32:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.113.3 with SMTP id l3mr5667418ybc.90.1258421545236; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:32:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.35.52? (dialup-4.154.35.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm1195255ywe.41.2009.11.16.17.32.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:32:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B01FD17.6080609@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:32:07 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <261614.21688.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B01BE09.2020302@gmail.com> <401418.22760.qm@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B01DBAA.800@gmail.com> <945701.16774.qm@web112013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <945701.16774.qm@web112013.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=HRwj1jiWuD9pfSpgAyDG9GFInbmV3-v5HdjLH_hVZS9kOIM-yPzcKgmRCGD06g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III wrote: > As for Dr. Cherry he was acting like it was gold. Who owns the land and buildings? And what's the story on that? > I forgot who owns them now, but the Radio Station got separated from the Real Estate one of the MANY times it went broke and went Silent. Since the Mid 1980s it has been Silent MORE then it has been on the Air! Entercom SCREWED Cherry on that station, and Cherry is just going to have to face the Music and make the thing Work, or Lick his wounds and go on. The NEWEST thing in that station is a 1st generation RDS Phantom, unless somebody spent some BUCKS since I was there last. At least SOMEBODY replaced the ailing VP-50 with a used MW-50 in equally Sad shape along the way. I will have to take my hat off to Bill, he got that MW-50 to 100% now. Still, I wouldn't want to have to FEED the thing! The day after I bought that Station, I would be on the Blower ordering me a Nautel ND-50 from David Shepeard. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:41:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91162 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 01:38:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 01:38:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f182.google.com) (209.85.221.182) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 01:38:33 -0000 X-Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12so2617732qyk.6 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:38:11 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.87.75 with SMTP id v11mr5237366qal.236.1258421891144; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:38:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.35.52? (dialup-4.154.35.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm19903236qwa.33.2009.11.16.17.38.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:38:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B01FE71.3050201@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:37:53 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <691964.10300.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B01F6B2.8080106@gmail.com> <45592.7507.qm@web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <45592.7507.qm@web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Causing CB'ers high SWR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=dhDG8B5uJQ_6SrCbswm39iHLLy6w0Pd7mBLeOGF1QUcHfkfytfQ_ymGmd_uR9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III wrote: > Take a straight pin, press it into the coax. cut the end off and go over the spot with a black magic marker. > Yes, that works GREAT on those Maco 750s. Those things make more RF Trash than wanted signal. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:44:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10089 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 01:43:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 01:43:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f200.google.com) (209.85.221.200) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 01:43:33 -0000 X-Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38so2132781qyk.25 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:42:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.14.143 with SMTP id g15mr5231174qaa.123.1258422134219; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:42:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.35.52? (dialup-4.154.35.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm1720017qyk.8.2009.11.16.17.42.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:42:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B01FF61.5040605@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:41:53 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <542059.78040.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <542059.78040.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=H8jdlmhzrul5LJ6f2ifZrbgzPuyC7OXwRmT5aLveYiRkGdcztICNe-99E-9ZZw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 george russell wrote: > There is anti-Obama stuff everywhere in the RF spectrum where voice is allowed. Ain't freedom great? Yes it is! Then there is Liberty Net! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:46:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30893 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 01:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 01:45:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f227.google.com) (209.85.217.227) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 01:45:42 -0000 X-Received: by gxk27 with SMTP id 27so2283265gxk.7 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:45:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.80.11 with SMTP id d11mr2038048anb.155.1258422342205; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:45:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm485944yxg.14.2009.11.16.17.45.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:45:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9798394C41B840EFB7C92FA61636EC6B@experien120f09> To: References: <542059.78040.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B01FF61.5040605@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:45:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=9cqoYCDY0BtUETYjj_jVhmzmkobBYZp-MxCJoxV-QelydpoFOeIV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable where does liverty net hang out? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kj4hyd=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 6:41 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liabilit... =20=20=20=20 george russell wrote: > There is anti-Obama stuff everywhere in the RF spectrum where voice is = allowed. Ain't freedom great? Yes it is! Then there is Liberty Net! --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 17:46:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75550 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 01:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 01:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f192.google.com) (209.85.221.192) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 01:45:15 -0000 X-Received: by mail-qy0-f192.google.com with SMTP id 30so2653725qyk.7 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:45:15 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.41.134 with SMTP id o6mr5231649qae.152.1258422315373; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:45:15 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.35.52? (dialup-4.154.35.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm19987751qwe.47.2009.11.16.17.45.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:45:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B020019.1090203@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:44:57 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <655802.80666.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <655802.80666.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=OMvpFYKXUx5rK9vF1DK5ZnZr_bLvxfxqu1mpMA2JtFtCrZS_W8jzzcsitckRXg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 george russell wrote: > Is it just me, or isn't there something idiotic in calling such a notice APPARENT liability?Duh, can't the FCC take accurate enough measurements to be CERTAIN that a station is "liable"? If you have a GOOD enough lawyer and plenty of Cash to feed him, he can pick that paper apart and you are NOT Liable. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 18:36:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99756 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 02:36:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 02:36:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.148) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 02:36:04 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so952746qwk.16 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:35:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.31.146 with SMTP id y18mr5258089qac.81.1258425339825; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:35:39 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.35.52? (dialup-4.154.35.52.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.52]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm20129288qwf.26.2009.11.16.18.35.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:35:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B020BEB.3090207@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:35:23 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <542059.78040.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B01FF61.5040605@gmail.com> <9798394C41B840EFB7C92FA61636EC6B@experien120f09> In-Reply-To: <9798394C41B840EFB7C92FA61636EC6B@experien120f09> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=6pfzuKb5iBZ0_NYaPKStLIjhcv85ypXUMPqMMsxpOmjaCqXOd6G_KmpnZnGTBg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > where does liverty net hang out? It is the most HATED net on Ham Radio! It is on Saturday Evenings on 3950 SSB and lately has been On again and Off again. Liberty Net is the ONLY reason I got a SSB rig. Normally I stay on AM. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 20:00:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55265 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 04:00:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 04:00:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 04:00:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 53235 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2009 04:00:41 -0000 Message-ID: <655787.52034.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: rc4nGpMVM1nTCiAZaOgS_izOEkSH4I0lcoZmSYac6gBDgSVAwsmgPpHL7zgQaxVP_8Ps7mX5lHaTUHjOjF2K3Y2OcyVwu.qRjsAO.joq2WzJDjAkejNZQK0MqG8YTOUDw9qKVr_tTFJPC6KuH.HX7AhysS9lRcA.Qp9kWfl_aSZimeGVm6kLjRBoxhdKWdtFao._QNjQ3_5evyaKwU_wRwziuLEXQSaZM_GWjsJgzVLo6qm1lJ._cGaWDnDRYUrdqMFdmdCynB.vJ2EEUFf9SxR8iov5dZSbKyoou48UZw9iQyOgQM3_P3vHznxpXcukODQ0ek0- X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:00:41 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:00:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Free XM for 2 Weeks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=CE4WqDvriP7FhR7EovBvz-bUocPuyXa1pBP9nuH_vi8c1XcgIWFfzVs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If you have any old de-activated XM satellite radios, they have free preview weeks for the next two weeks on your old radios trying to get their 400,000 customers back that they lost the past year. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 16 20:01:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90905 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 03:59:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 03:59:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 03:59:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2009 03:59:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Nov 2009 03:59:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:59:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101ca671e$6d24f9a0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: a bit OT but worth the read- Fw: Loss Of Trust: How Citadel Media Raped Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jU6YEmnhFtjfcJCo_1Umudkjh7kgcVB6qarjeVn1dpGbVdNDVH3lBpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Ut-oh; wonder who's left at WJR? Betcha they fired everybody but Paul W. S= mith and have gone from the top news department to nothing but ABC news. B= etter tune into 760 tomorrow and see. From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 16 21:44:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77226 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 05:44:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 05:44:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 05:44:32 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAH5iUDW029226 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:44:30 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d34.5d063662 (29678) for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:44:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:44:27 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=pu5FwbjgvAALTcAauS_5JeQeBbA-xQ4bNey4BxM5R2kAZrGiRwrQWPlt99IyKhc5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/16/2009 5:56:05 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > There is anti-Obama stuff everywhere in the RF spectrum where voice is > allowed. Ain't freedom great? They don't call it rag chewing for nothing. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 16 21:55:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24233 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 05:55:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 05:55:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 05:55:18 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAH5tFqY000921 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:55:15 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c15.4e08c938 (29678) for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:55:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:55:10 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=tWUTS_sn5eHXVzZ9t-Y5gW0nWJRX2tEHkmYGmK8GRvUuAYDNWKSSAazWX8OClm1y X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George, In this country, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty, at least in criminal matters. Every violation is apparent until final adjudication. A FCC administrative finding is appealable through the federal courts all the way up to the Supreme Court. Rules of evidence apply. A FCC field inspector can only report his (or her) observations and making reasonable conclusion based on those observations. (S)he cannot speculate. It's like the station with a 4mV/m field strength at 137m. Is it physically possible that he is able to do so with on 100mW of DC input power? The answer is yes. Is it likely, the answer is no. However, the difference between the two is reasonable doubt. The inspector did not measure the power going into the transmitter, so he wrote up the only thing he did observe and could testify to under oath, the alleged excessive ground lead length. The FCC is no more interested in messing with commercial interests with political influence than the SEC was with crooked Wall Street bankers. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 16 21:58:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34175 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 05:58:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 05:58:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 05:58:47 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAH5we1b008508 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:58:40 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.ca0.61b1b4de (29678) for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:58:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:58:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=H2toKWf0DcS-vBAEWqRjgsBes7-DeXIhstZJmABCs8Sb_VtlPYvYMIkSy32eZ8X9 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/16/2009 6:13:33 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > he doesn't DRIVE those big block Chevys, does he? I am guessing you never saw Scent of a Woman, George. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 22:04:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41818 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 06:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 06:03:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f180.google.com) (209.85.211.180) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 06:03:56 -0000 X-Received: by ywh10 with SMTP id 10so5633442ywh.8 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:02:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.37.8 with SMTP id k8mr1115604agk.19.1258437775507; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:02:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm1997664yxe.19.2009.11.16.22.02.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:02:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7DDFF0B922DC40F5BFC6F5B8304D2A2C@experien120f09> To: References: <542059.78040.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B01FF61.5040605@gmail.com> <9798394C41B840EFB7C92FA61636EC6B@experien120f09> <4B020BEB.3090207@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:02:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=sIxaPR5HSGgVIsNWqGbvAUEqCN0OgAEtebi39U1olvW0fQfqu1Bn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable gotcha thanks fore the heads up----- Original Message -----=20 From: kj4hyd=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 7:35 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Appa= rent Liabilit... =20=20=20=20 hank smith wrote: > where does liverty net hang out? It is the most HATED net on Ham Radio! It is on Saturday Evenings on=20 3950 SSB and lately has been On again and Off again. Liberty Net is the=20 ONLY reason I got a SSB rig. Normally I stay on AM. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 16 22:09:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49673 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 06:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 06:09:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f214.google.com) (209.85.217.214) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 06:09:20 -0000 X-Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so5890252gxk.13 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:09:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.28.9 with SMTP id f9mr1208348agj.89.1258438160358; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:09:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1462243yxd.26.2009.11.16.22.09.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:09:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3555C6ECD4704ADC8F707F9AB55AE2E9@experien120f09> To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:09:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: a bit OT but worth the read- Fw: Loss Of Trust: How Citadel Media Raped Radio X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=oy4uYfUrzWuOvGmB_bGU1hVmuT9VQyfk7LF8ID8cCAZsHjE4eBaj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit let me know ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:59 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: a bit OT but worth the read- Fw: Loss Of Trust: How Citadel Media Raped Radio Ut-oh; wonder who's left at WJR? Betcha they fired everybody but Paul W. Smith and have gone from the top news department to nothing but ABC news. Better tune into 760 tomorrow and see. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 16 22:31:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50266 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 06:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 06:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 06:31:30 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAH6Ut2G014186 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:30:55 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.cf3.64cdc40c (29678) for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:30:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:30:53 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} a bit OT but worth the read- Fw: Loss Of Trust: How Citadel Media ... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=7VDzi6T-LCo0sDK1OvDB_vdhLoZlpa8U1-V9eCBha5tD8s6kwusyBmjVWEqhjnt_ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the mid-60s, KXOK had a remarkable talent in the early evening who commanded a vast, extremely loyal, primarily teen following by the name of Johnny Rabbitt. Johnny Rabbit was a ficticious character created by the program director "played" by Ron Elz. I have never known of anyone who came close to the adoration St. Louis had for the Rabbitt at any time in any other market. Unfortunately, Ron had an ego to match his talent and got sideways with the station management which didn't take alot at Storz. He thought he was irreplaceable. It was true the Rabbitt was irreplaceable, but he wasn't. Storz hired an out of town gunslinger by the name of Don Pietromonico to assume the Rabbitt personna and went to court to stop Elz from taking the moniker with him to another stations. Elz lost. Pietromonico want on to take the Rabbitt name to a height never equalled in St. Louis radio. He was more than cool. He was cryogenic. Storz couldn't take Elz's talent away, but Ron's bitterness and sense of defeat stayed with him from one station to another all the way to this day. When Storz sold KXOK in the 1980s which was the last station it owned, Elz purchased the "Johnny Rabbitt" intellectual property. However, by that time, Johnny Rabbitt was a nothing more than a fond memory best left to the ages. It has been my experience that truly great talents burnout rather than rust. What makes them special seems to always put them at odds with those who aren't. Todd Storz himself was that way. He died a young man albeit at the height of his achievement. A greatly under-recognized individual in those days was Richard Fatherly. Fatherly's true talent was keeping all the exceptional individuals that made up KXOK together without producing a crater at Radio Park with a mushroom cloud over North St. Louis. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Nov 16 23:02:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26627 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 07:02:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 07:02:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.95) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 07:02:24 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAH72FwU012238 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:02:15 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d50.5e603204 (29678) for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:02:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:02:13 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5zOzJIZWiiD0DfXxyfGxdSpW3d0kCsck629rbU-Ofl_SPu1SJCXvaFScU3JPKSQ7 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/16/2009 7:14:30 PM Central Standard Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > I think he is a Communist SCUM No, he is not. Barack Obama attended Northwestern and Harvard. SCUM stands for the South Carolina Unorganized Militia, a quasi-fictious military unit to which Citadel cadets as well as honorary "colonels" belong. True. Also true, straight arm salutes have been seen on more one occassion at the State Military College of South Carolina. Now how do you think I know that? And no, I am not JSD. Now let's talk about radio in the Low Country. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Nov 17 03:00:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77143 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 11:00:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 11:00:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.231) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 11:00:42 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30318 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2009 11:00:42 -0000 Message-ID: <380403.28287.qm@web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: lfjLUmUVM1mDMcfDIqX51ekktazE3_uNqMNDjz5a4nomfAK2HKxrDZYbq2SAb2Kf_wCFdh6ipi0MJcM6zJ2pAsKk9YrsCTBFkKQ6Ly7IiHlj2gXrOx4BKitcuPvaYC9iQfmAsOqks58L5m.ULB50YMiOq8GsM_ftGV7BH.pgbNrak7fiQ1EsLjoUDQBIIIFAlMrq1R8oWIXzMBaMZ2Urz_7DAHsR5RuMf1KHBJUu7FlLkflZwr6n2e_JKAEC8BWg7_UR37imfSCIvpfjhzyjtALh_rqbWtOHD_O1Rg37jK.XZIuO3y2XaEstupAe3JD1iSX_bnCyBbzKdgSEyCIviPWng3wBiodqMRvDv7Ayf84K2LFBJkJJnY6sAIzylpFJN8YGRDsuFo6ZFZSrLmVUJRtsTQuTmwNlcKstpi5vKxx0EQtjStXt5wIOcEl6ecGb99zFYffRE7irK4gzVKG0PUd4EQzXNA.6JfTi8SEoDS6RWnTtkqeDzm.tjJ6C8y6VhKMZmcqhFOYp9IdXa07zoCvmf00Z3tnRjmcFb_Z2m1R8qmtvuEdkRcxIw4WkH126x9j49HuNlVwfo1fZIbGh8IZpqAmZhMBo7vHXdXoA.JXO2PEEqfonhvDLQzCQtk_2axVMxZcgwQ7.AzOoidO3UnD3w.la3qBR6mrJNSwo3zJQ7RODX2WA7H9C1ElRgTawqKEFWU_EBafkpCjP5xnEMs8tQqeC0ApLITE_bPpaI92vHSy4kkTWdK9szfF_H3BbJaLba2yx7ZPhCVlT7EVb27Ou9epCjd5y.TS8N1JFosCwO9_C7alLpKEamEZMXf3brnE1ZxmcEPKRhI1xjyrvpc.31mvTrTl0O32fIezcACi4BrDasqiz6OUn6KZsZA3nY7lquyjCp77qCo3phA7MyNnjtKSHjG2EzKlJYDw.rFXD1A5EnumULEfHd0y62JA2J3eAmp7XGShbIk6QCby.H1jNjodC7lspgHHUPuIOK.jPTgf8aKn4_rJbxiCzpifoAoSByJWD4LKEGixaYgavTzwC8Fs4zyENmNAv_rsouhj53CBVQqQhfnR6jwhMm_QmEc7THsi8cjB_rXOiOrmow3YPlUN9z2wgmLj4JKYu1QaeAX4iF1FkHsYZxy7e1xJqEXDiAqigjg8LnnjBNUrAwn7mjOaF3rF0Q.pIT.0aMhKh5U5T0d5zc3idnsyUWBESMKXPJyjG4L6UYuCO5ywHGijFQJLCV_d01ztI127hfkPOfEhZT2sf7oP75LgWXnpD915aheEwM8st0ajvhXdtRX5ebRS.GF6pHcC82v_I25SDCGrPBKuLqyUdSaJ6USFjE9AlsK2dwB4u_zIzd.Ico6u02cvr X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54007.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:00:42 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:00:42 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <45592.7507.qm@web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.231 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Causing CB'ers high SWR X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=uNfw38m5ROh4BKk2rR48iVwSBbZ-y0OZHEEfLvyEspxV5QDrfayZ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's wicked!=C2=A0 Wicked funny! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: {AMSF} Causing CB'ers high SWR To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 8:17 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Take a straight pin, press it into the coax. cut the end off and go o= ver the spot with a black magic marker.=20 That's what a friend did in another state. The CB'er launched tubes in the = linear a few times. I am not sure he figured it out for awhile.=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 17 04:45:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57432 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 12:45:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 12:45:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f174.google.com) (209.85.210.174) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 12:45:29 -0000 X-Received: by yxe4 with SMTP id 4so5627889yxe.32 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:44:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.72.25 with SMTP id u25mr48693yba.273.1258461869319; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:44:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.10? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm1312247ywh.2.2009.11.17.04.44.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:44:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B029A9E.6060401@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:44:14 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liabilit... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=LuDyvI0iJVbeS0Eja_lTL14Xu1qwU4IzrzHa6_7lxYjpUg0gSXot9uHc_kpuCw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Now let's talk about radio in the Low Country. WQIZ passed an Audio Proof a few Weeks ago, How many AMs in the Low Country even HAD an Audio Proof in the past few Years? -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Nov 17 06:57:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51577 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 14:57:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 14:57:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.83) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 14:57:21 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 91458 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Nov 2009 14:57:21 -0000 Message-ID: <216894.90357.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0_KvxTMVM1m8cqxJRPa6MuoLFJ_zlm5hmSFNLc.ZMcpfZBBGApgeBVhYo_Yi7smrjgkGphTXNw06p3TEN5QWUmLAHItktePTSGTUAS7kjmKrk1puMeNgI9R9CtjjJbqn.yE_.UcOov5LvceBSlIjXXbZNKh4ePR0Sl9Gf1yVuV4mKy0q9Cm0KTetxqrZxA6Tt8ESTm87zF6mxZ9PlCOuhQEEEjCHvP5CbPTOpvs_qiyM2FKrH8MevoVDiEiALN92ygiF9zhRP6NyGXkR5QygyC97NChlC1emxyY002KLhGg2Hy8dNfNmjhZxWYkAYwYI52F7ZWl6De6Wg3KtvfKCWy.YK9dS9Bsm5pFyH9EmU6nKdzkN7FpREkMLDmKE0PzoTLq3h3N_j1Bt9vV_jxLoUKkcdMbY1z22j3Wi7a8ER6VmyOzc5kdLoHpykhUBFC3RgqVRuQKrZHYbBVIXI45xJGbDJNega_4Snlr.Yc8yJHaA5MyqV.tym33Rh3spD_iFf9UHTpeexlTyG_9rSPkUCK3b3qgqz3XltLQb9U3BLCawwg-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.150] by web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:57:21 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/211.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 References: <655787.52034.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:57:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <655787.52034.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Free XM for 2 Weeks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9nikhn5JbHZ-AO7DPtBh6vXeBYa5YOXCrvdsbQn680c X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Good luck! Since Sirius took over XM has gone to hell in a handbasket. And they took off Escape and the 40's channel for the holidays. People are cancelling left and right. Free? Why? They crapped on all the good formats. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- From: John P. If you have any old de-activated XM satellite radios, they have free preview weeks for the next two weeks on your old radios trying to get their 400,000 customers back that they lost the past year. ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 17 07:10:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74392 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 15:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 15:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f194.google.com) (209.85.211.194) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 15:10:02 -0000 X-Received: by ywh32 with SMTP id 32so86249ywh.14 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.208.35 with SMTP id k35mr7796518anq.132.1258470600787; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:10:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.10? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm420045yxe.54.2009.11.17.07.09.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:10:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B02BCB9.6040301@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:09:45 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <655787.52034.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <216894.90357.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <216894.90357.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Free XM for 2 Weeks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=1T-38oWbleilnyJ3Q68lEHulX-K8gszGR1ieT8mOtKDlbJDl4koWQ8ElHZ--6w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III wrote: > And they took off Escape and the 40's channel for the holidays. People are cancelling left and right. Yup, I am one of them! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Tue Nov 17 13:20:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81525 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 21:20:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 21:20:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.174) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 21:20:43 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-DS4 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:20:42 -0800 X-Originating-Email: [florida_amstereo@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:20:42 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2009 21:20:42.0870 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1C2B160:01CA67CB] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: Re: {AMSF} Free XM for 2 Weeks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=yJZ8uNAvp7TSGebNcZs2Enug-R3AgUC4y6xWu-Dm5-uJf6n3qOW8zx0oWo8 X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the heads up, John. I found an old (original model SkyFi) and it is picking up about 2/3's of the XM channels, picking up channels 4 - 8, 12- 18, 20, 23, 28................etc; on the classical music channels I am picking up 2 of the three. Where did you get this info? I couldn't find any mention of it on the Orbitcast.com website nor any mention of it on the XMradio.com website. Donn, st. petersburg btw- guess you know that Citadel's Timeless Favorite "nostalgia format will cease to be effective 13 February 2010; just wonder what those stations will do format wise after that? -----Original Message----- From: John P. Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:00 PM To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Free XM for 2 Weeks If you have any old de-activated XM satellite radios, they have free preview weeks for the next two weeks on your old radios trying to get their 400,000 customers back that they lost the past year. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 17 14:25:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49585 invoked from network); 17 Nov 2009 22:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Nov 2009 22:25:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f190.google.com) (209.85.210.190) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2009 22:25:26 -0000 X-Received: by yxe28 with SMTP id 28so511637yxe.19 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:25:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.54.22 with SMTP id g22mr810070agk.80.1258496703996; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:25:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.10? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm163158yxd.27.2009.11.17.14.25.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:25:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B0322AE.8060907@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:24:46 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Free XM for 2 Weeks X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=GK7HC1RxXZXy9zrqOwm9eMeUkWoE1RxUNQzEy5IDCAyC21SZtUAyLygKaQgG5w X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Donn Tillman wrote: > Where did you get this info? If he told you, he would have to KILL you. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Nov 17 16:29:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8247 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2009 00:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2009 00:29:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2009 00:29:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59892 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2009 00:29:12 -0000 Message-ID: <683155.58096.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1GUPTHwVM1kHl6E0eo6rVwko7MHUsMDaGENEyqUK_scIHl6i2OOOI80k7Ut1IGiZIFlej2h2aexovacQjM8NAjKh9o.hteEx3qipWDFooVYZJRVf8WDOn3CgegP39aUHl1OdZnxxJk9SGYqWJguEJUzqQte4cXOpBzsfr5KfG4CiythQYqo2.9qVmjlm_YoGRXhkcwyWd3uyYRf6E7wjjLw3u20dbvv7lq.AyOYt7gPkpa8BzrWiiNb88AjIuyazy8my9yjnw8mpndPoZRxpZGqJZRrhrGG2yKiijDAylv7n__rbvOVI4y3tLq5TcUI6tasBhzBhHfHdpJNpEEoknKA.ilFRLSR2Tf0cH4Cz4eSqK5LUgfJu4ytquO3wl7Q0u2nHxkVNUnggXIpYpJDJmcgP6NONem6_Ca9jIpMQo6Gu3Sr8vRpNwJ_i6wbO5sTMH8AvB.xHw11Xq3C5WbsvRXbar7NH0AQPyVBBRRIrSgh8J0BruAL28CQeleH6jHsVEURf1EvLCh9Arfk0FM3EMyhC1eERHxAH1oO90f8dXvKtCFPE0eFNZ7cVs6lwscB21p1RrxMn3I4buy7QHWFMlbBO1hWHQi7ufIcHZyLPOMN5la_WEEfjuNnw62_.kGhXlsAXh_FwbySUXAGVzE8Nd2jbGVOpPHf.v4zrbdxvZDqM2ndC_FKmx.ziIdKTXPgtR6a1D51iuYuv.zu2FcbOtKdP7QFokYtXSjIn8jIrxJa92ViiX556JmpUNsL.E2BgKsolglfYCL4xoMIT.fCDxtljzxUooLE7YlorWykZ4awijz8_jbRD0GlgJ57iN2SInPFbBKDYgEVyeyRox5DVT5MfpLTii5R0CLujqxaum0qiSlhav1AQdO6itwfGBoDg1bb3b5A4MuGW8FCtnfA1K7bFiCDV0BbbnzHlsPKSIn2_tcBmeY_MJ.H0YcNtkmSL4APyiL6sXW9QNR0J0uyQVSt0CmLtEuZMjTs4j04_QtulCIrEtTMSsQWB8o4BefWjK.78Rq2DDD4HlLRNpKN_m7tp87xwGycQBwKtCPw_JuKOcSd2Km793QowVrd594J4HVS7HdhkUtNB2T_kOE9cDYdGjetiKbvNSiE_4wdxyjvrEA6MXX_l_4UOMKzw8fTCmU9AeyyqzG8ks5CyDRtcOEkAywCb8bEvO7b_JsyKSv2GR_8Qe_JDBkyN0fNwZ03npb3nTgSozMBft8mC28LtEehb3myc3HbOUpOjCePhRI05W4HTcxaqWu2nZrshuEDYfwXV9NgeJucdT04W5yPP0bq1kQ_6rg-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:29:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:29:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B01F39B.7000201@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=y6CVXWOxeoI-xKxhz-G00GeMPbtBoFkcatwN8TaZ06boSg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, I'll bite...what does "ROFLMAO" stand for? =C2=A0G --- On Mon, 11/16/09, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 7:51 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 george russell wrote: > Please don't hate me for asking, but...he doesn't DRIVE those big block C= hevys, does he? ROFLMAO! No, he just takes them apart, Blueprints them, and sells them=20 to Race Teams. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 17 17:09:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3909 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2009 01:09:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2009 01:09:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f193.google.com) (209.85.221.193) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2009 01:09:09 -0000 X-Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31so415599qyk.9 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:09:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.72.12 with SMTP id k12mr6063315qaj.62.1258506548679; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:09:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.38.100? (dialup-4.154.38.100.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.38.100]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm23228082qwa.43.2009.11.17.17.09.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:09:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B034920.3000705@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:08:48 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <683155.58096.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <683155.58096.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=il7l7yG8nNUCN0MG-Q53S2M62DiSG56w_G6_OJbZ3MJt3WPl2BalgW4VlBdGZw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 george russell wrote: > OK, I'll bite...what does "ROFLMAO" stand for? Rolling On The Floor Laughing My @$$ Off -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Nov 18 02:32:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90949 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2009 10:32:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2009 10:32:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2009 10:32:30 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAIAWPM2014111 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:32:25 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.cd8.5b59e4fb (48624) for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:32:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:31:53 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} blind broadcast engineer? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=zJL2yyWfom0P9UQSLEJqPZx9u26sNDWqWfFB9cU3U5P8VAZuRIpnms8VtGuI8K7o X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/17/2009 6:29:50 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > OK, I'll bite...what does "ROFLMAO" stand for? G > Rolling On the Floor Laughing My Ass Off. I had to ask myself. An eight year old girl at the computer next to mine at the public library told me some time back. I am getting too old. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Nov 18 08:29:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6442 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2009 16:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2009 16:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2009 16:29:35 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFSJJFZAMZXJXJ for (sender ); Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:28:39 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD5hlC2DmZ8dW8gCwWXJ7UDw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PXNQY98M; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:27:43 PST X-Received: from [76.194.241.197] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:27:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:27:10 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091118.082710.16645.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 282 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3009311173 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=KTt3vMWABcmIWKu1Yd10hEs0JuISIxMbEzJ3G4sKsw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000, starting with a $10,000 deposit from buyer.= =20=20 Disney originally paid Entercom $2 million for the facility back in 2002.=20 Once upon a time=855-kw daytime/1-kw nighttime AMs in Wichita were worth $2= ,000,000 to the Magic Kingdom of Disney. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Nov 18 11:54:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53819 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2009 19:53:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2009 19:53:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2009 19:53:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2009 19:53:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2009 19:53:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:53:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Free XM for 2 Weeks - ot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=PXfCxTkNjgqW7PqNzHQ87WQKF6TFwyVwpoErtqMRL4mmunNQpBwgxM4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Donn, XM actually spent a few cents on promotions and mailed me an envelope= and inside was a bingo card listing the 60 stations that are free for 2 we= eks; told me how much that they miss me, etc...in addition, they had an off= er for 5 months for $20 if I came back to XM, so after the free demo, you c= an get a decent offer, but I don't think the $20 includes the RIAA Record C= ompany 'music rape tax' of $2/month that is being shoved down their throats= and soon to be shoved down the throats of OTA terrestrial broadcasters. But I'm happy to take the free two weeks! Must be nobody on OrbitCast has c= ancelled, or if they did, they don't want them back? I'm also wondering if this is also a way to 'zap' any radios that might not= have already gotten the 'deactivate signal' and this will be their 'magic = bullet' to do that? I notice my XM radio is starting back at Channel 1 eve= rytime I turn it on, then loads up the channels, so it's not going to work = past the 2 weeks for sure. They have included Escape, most of the decades, and 2/3 of the rock channel= s, and the 2 Christmas channels (one pre-empts 40's on 4). This is a smart = move too, as the dormant XM radios on display at Best Buy (without subs) wi= ll have at least 60 channels for customers to check out while Christmas sho= pping on 'Black Friday'! 73's John ---Donn Tillman wrote: > Thanks for the heads up, John. > I found an old (original model SkyFi) and it is picking up about 2/3's of= the XM channels, picking up channels 4 - 8, 12- 18, 20, 23, 28............= ....etc; on the classical music channels I am picking up 2 of the three. > Where did you get this info? I couldn't find any mention of it on the Or= bitcast.com website nor any mention of it on the XMradio.com website. > Donn, > st. petersburg From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Wed Nov 18 12:34:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36842 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2009 20:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2009 20:34:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.172) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2009 20:34:12 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W26 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s33.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:34:12 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:34:12 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2009 20:34:12.0447 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CF3AEF0:01CA688E] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Free XM for 2 Weeks - ot X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=WgJugOgj32U3CXNlbc03MNoe8SO49qMwtTRrvemCzr1-xif3nv93e-P79wo X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks John, =20 I'm still amazed that this wasn't on the web; but since I still am a subscr= iber, I did not get the "Bingo card"; actually I have the unit that is an M= P3 player and an XM radio (Samsung Nexius); I use back and forth between t= he house and the car (it has one of those passport chips), anyway about 4 m= onths ago, the antenna that is attached to the roof of the car went out and= I thought maybe this is an omen to just quit XM, but after listening to th= e local terrestrial radio in the car for two weeks; I quickly changed my mi= nd. =20 The terrestrial radio in Florida is abysmal at best (there are some excepti= ons), but none that I can receive here in St. Petersburg and of course, unl= ike many of the people on this board I can't even depend on getting some go= od stations at night due to either local stations being on the clear channe= l frequencies (760 comes to mind) or the Cuban interference which is bad da= y and night. =20 Donn =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:53:09 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Free XM for 2 Weeks - ot =20=20 Donn, XM actually spent a few cents on promotions and mailed me an envelope= and inside was a bingo card listing the 60 stations that are free for 2 we= eks; told me how much that they miss me, etc...in addition, they had an off= er for 5 months for $20 if I came back to XM, so after the free demo, you c= an get a decent offer, but I don't think the $20 includes the RIAA Record C= ompany 'music rape tax' of $2/month that is being shoved down their throats= and soon to be shoved down the throats of OTA terrestrial broadcasters. But I'm happy to take the free two weeks! Must be nobody on OrbitCast has c= ancelled, or if they did, they don't want them back? I'm also wondering if this is also a way to 'zap' any radios that might not= have already gotten the 'deactivate signal' and this will be their 'magic = bullet' to do that? I notice my XM radio is starting back at Channel 1 ever= ytime I turn it on, then loads up the channels, so it's not going to work p= ast the 2 weeks for sure. They have included Escape, most of the decades, and 2/3 of the rock channel= s, and the 2 Christmas channels (one pre-empts 40's on 4). This is a smart = move too, as the dormant XM radios on display at Best Buy (without subs) wi= ll have at least 60 channels for customers to check out while Christmas sho= pping on 'Black Friday'! 73's John ---Donn Tillman wrote: > Thanks for the heads up, John. > I found an old (original model SkyFi) and it is picking up about 2/3's of= the XM channels, picking up channels 4 - 8, 12- 18, 20, 23, 28............= ....etc; on the classical music channels I am picking up 2 of the three. > Where did you get this info? I couldn't find any mention of it on the Orb= itcast.com website nor any mention of it on the XMradio.com website. > Donn, > st. petersburg =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Nov 18 16:52:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11213 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2009 00:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2009 00:51:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2009 00:51:59 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 58863 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2009 00:51:39 -0000 Message-ID: <601703.58816.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: P_y2Ek8VM1lMDwdxy7Nq8xbwzyf6O2by7JDalWhW9CHGCiYdMt4aRxrSUyeRzSs1aq988w0ImdGa3EQq2JqnqqX_sCHaZGozNDJDjcMTZmueotDOZAJZxb17wKUeaokOLHnLjitGRrNGaMQs2_fSgZiG82NZL_ibKFyELnv9QraD1SIJlRzsf7sMwroZY9LJYJars_htHR0KZEen.4ET01wmQ_49vNMstAnz128lXZEqhG5HYa2z.F7uvUpBZ0TD0x72EpKO5R89c0H5Q.6jCNR.x61jcsE1jFwk7yEHwFSrn_AdbM6FdiWQWE3T8NTq3E373ATUQ6DUX7Qs2Sm8z4fwqQGuaF40NM5Qsev28NxARrYebzj1ziybPzTDds162K9VbXo5nutyjGYNU3BNEZpDKB1HKXBYpeksHx52YlWVhiAgbWj5BRwtW2MUd4VTc_qk9bTOddp6Ts5XBHDEAOOO7Cq5r4bHsGKqFnxVn0CBfTuvg0suTERJyW7CoU1qGehN4C5XDPkqw0E9pMpXPTc0nUyX8LQboaaxsZbgxkx_z1umBq2jSRRPkp8vfO8dPgA7xVOnR6q1MDT3GXBAQyq6pVa85reTSybp6K_1m01e0U_RK3RWmtOgoV6HJrPUXMdqdvva7EhMg0uH5HB7OBEqQ7NOjnmGV0lbodjQEwl81vDxVaxPUHoUha34OtghbRkw7JnzMqNMF52A72yerGmgELnSIIqtA0gyr_obVfqS8k2_Z2U_zBQToXK75OhTxc5Ck5KCg2OK3iVmQmnl2Vx616LwzP6bdayGFCi_Lwz9O.2cWULRGBF3cXmKhb7TxS1K_E_r_9SEU62zPbWts0YbWyYBU.cEmR1_DI.4fKTj0tJGZfEuY8awLkS5iV9fQzl7OLSlVNONWLSihoA1Mc0wB96ftrENzWs2KcHa9rvuu2DTA45x5nmy1j3rKE0MKGXwVudPU7tkz7KcoxYB1GD0FHJRvQb362vatxnqCxGulALoqN8s6NrzrpRjq3GzJFrGqydE2y6_SO9EAPyAg4IzCQhDCGthtRq0OhevWz7p4TcW407YkuMjXk_4wgcL2w00StvxHDdYgoLtk2q5OyOouz32702ii1NHw0qBs9SB.H866iU43gWGRLyYDCuxTPURhY1GBcO2R2U- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:51:39 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:51:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20091118.082710.16645.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=6t1zM18wh3rR9h6-gL2cQHMwtEwXfyugMS2vkacW2dFCbA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just curious, was KQAM bought by a big corporation, or by RADIO people? =C2= =A0By the way, that's a perfect call sign for AM Stereo...Kompatible Quadra= ture Amplitude Modulation!=C2=A0 --- On Wed, 11/18/09, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 11:27 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000, starting with a $10,000 deposit from = buyer.=20=20 Disney originally paid Entercom $2 million for the facility back in 2002.=20 Once upon a time=E2=80=A65-kw daytime/1-kw nighttime AMs in Wichita were wo= rth $2,000,000 to the Magic Kingdom of Disney. =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Nov 18 17:31:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57703 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2009 01:31:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2009 01:31:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2009 01:31:02 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail12.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.152]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFSKH7YAQQPQT2 for (sender ); Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:30:30 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD+6tu4Mlm2UpDJmLx7F8vDk= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail12.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PXPP2B9K; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:30:04 PST X-Received: from [76.194.241.197] by webmail12.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:29:19 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:29:19 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091118.172919.3863.1@webmail12.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 994 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3646243345 X-MAIL-INFO:06c56dad25710091a1a11d6df5bd610040a469304de10190610ded31393039a9c1ede1091d3d60a5b4e11d2479dd50d4a5d49070d11455f54d91cd71fd4400f4fdb9cd7134649d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.152|webmail12.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=hM2kfWpevR4cbBtwEshZ42czOf_TK-SOYWWgp0pVAg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn It was purchased by Greg Steckline-run Steckline Communications. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:51:39 -0800 (PST) Just curious, was KQAM bought by a big corporation, or by RADIO people? =C2= =A0By the way, that's a perfect call sign for AM Stereo...Kompatible Quadra= ture Amplitude Modulation!=C2=A0 --- On Wed, 11/18/09, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 11:27 AM =20=20=20=20=20=20 KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000, starting with a $10,000 deposit from buyer.= =20=20 Disney originally paid Entercom $2 million for the facility back in 2002.=20 Once upon a time 5-kw daytime/1-kw nighttime AMs in Wichita were worth $2,0= 00,000 to the Magic Kingdom of Disney. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 07:57:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8340 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2009 15:57:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2009 15:57:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2009 15:57:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 51450 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2009 15:57:30 -0000 Message-ID: <408306.51447.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: sB8J9E4VM1l4Omx.igUA9bfLzg1WJgpEIjIB9fXeAhjRNjOnroP8tGhxh.S.pxQ2UwxcnXH_JC3l_MUrxX3f1wFg5Aj0NgWCcElPlR2omImc4m3dRQHfjjf5aa0A9cjdyG4LO6CtDHGtQrwfNNu5lB.TH0NL0VjF9NC2SEB1iQQr7asDbUbYT28JiicRJFAxP_UAJa.lD8RczZ7Xnm_xEEf1IHabFgzFJLv8332zsPjU1OVm.cR6Dvd1LZdZxTrqmjeOgMjJ2FMn2y3ym3_Zu3nuBQNwTyCeimOKEycDyAbmsSqHJ_vH3qzcMCTxURayKpd6Aw-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:57:30 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:57:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Re: KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=dSPMoVvpRUssu7ot0cM0ixphn47Vd3O53xV2rE0kuMTOQNFDhCwNtgk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio If it was a Radio Disney there's a 50/50 chance it actually has a stereo board and stereo audio chain and would be a great C-Quam project for us if the new owner is ready and willing!! Is it listed on the old CQuam list? John From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 14:00:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51575 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2009 22:00:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2009 22:00:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2009 22:00:32 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 8261 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Nov 2009 22:00:32 -0000 Message-ID: <47793.7420.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 9uX3HKYVM1moAxHIJypqLyeGql4_Hq6uEVjhYYYFYgpImferUdjAtsOdr5rE7MYbbXUygwLs4.Ke4Ov8G.zPJx41ICwMxX_t35HH5V3AL.PKZfoN4m_0Zl2MV_fRp8JoYKYRUx1mKsZ40mV3ZgayioYu8cKpWr1RArd3Y7WhxkvysO7jzLO5h7WkOie4CuIlWApnbVE3mZBCk89i1orUBcqsRy03GDcOdXUNHRdKyK9cWQr1L2c3EFWPfL8bVwXuttGLE0jtsNukT7QaGYq_Nt0CMbu9Nis2h4MjlGUIQDzwIDHqNDGTXBM5ws.oyENtl5ir7h6hzHZj2_EiRvVb2f2gu_sVZ6x61OjzvX4UIjcgFfUfwmhjH5N89C1uwnHhJJadVGGwisFUjPnz0enVIiQ9xPYtgHY2_sLeL65o4jjOX0gwd_IyTXUSOshTNA.crR1SenZ2jMqhk6FnG9uBheKhNsFfirITbWY3v6b3Keze0Q.HRGaJBWW4.MS.BLlpqeK3gSij02izJKI1XlfU7IJO1ndgY8.rSLExZljPo82wzVTUOKnG2gqC2kQr9lvlKk40df7ASHcYQdFsMIzs.oZmXv.g2hEW8n4KqZQ03IG.xuqIr9fdFppWR7QRXcojRY7QAY0A7Kh.WmTCy2TvsWORoYjCdlrhokHHbExu9VJpnDV0_nHowtbsbJKkr8zdbcPbXbbL4JZp3Odjuv5Ddfz5IFY5wm6dUbDg32uOmtqGcyXIyofKyYpt74NRrvPzOD.hvGQmce6PilbWtW.OjPAcVJVoNXdfudOt_.utZn9DQ5fgc29XCU5OBT4nneVPH3FTF5J7w_r957pVv9kxUKY07.rTaqERnm8ln4xpr4Jd3EjtBjvXQK57ujzDyiOA_BT7Qdq82O4ttpThsgfEp8knyUA3xVcLVCmWAN6z6Ln7ewBH1W1BVMGWYx9Rkzo0pQPuF7iYkfkTNDdqaFhqfPo4Q11RLF7ujbfwWLzU8Y0NNkE0cIfPLM07h2OSduAueOTZB.zMUEK03jmRcbwbd8zcOYFpq99NnfDlx9isbcBe3CgKP6Hu0e0_ONBloJzuXWT81IYLlGRU_E2FqU1z8ko7Deoo6EnBFX_oxYsJYfoKFjiLnGvm4jVcIv72no3doGcyOdWM6Of6lZjcPNmsX2p52_YeSWdnYX4oa8aIao9FFfmx8FluKzsRF1Ul8oCFw34mgTlxM2YnGltr1dr916sXpx1fwNmLuF1hHQ29IlgQMtHT6EzEYHmV9lj13TC2BUHSwhjSDp7A.xXOukZqLxNLGThcL4KVR6zau8ZcFdyETm7FdiEEn9mr3bFGCZTzUD82hUGn2uyQFZQ1cZ.Owid_ZHwPechlkGqOmdzxCxEf00OzJ2TEE7Xh2fAhl4safjhviDkhVctTBgNgDAz69cpSxsd5EnZSk24ZoQu67y0LOb4U625uZLLVgPMvhdaKNiocExSdgewu X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:00:31 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:00:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <314654.15675.qm@web54012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=0yGqcnUS70mV1n_vmjnYjUFk65Np6I3AwOmhfk0kasLogUQfXAns X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radio/ifi/rbl/rsls/ --- On Mon, 11/16/09, JNR wrote: From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 5:57 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 That I am unsure of.=C2=A0 I don't know if it's 28 days per year (bec= ause some stations have been on in different years) or if you can keep reap= plying.=C2=A0 The last I knew it was 2,000 pounds. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 --- On Mon, 11/16/09, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 5:04 PM =C2=A0 what if you want to go longer then 28 days? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 7:22 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? They do have R.S.L.s though (Restricted Service Licence). 1W for 28 days o= n a few frequencies like 1278 or 1287, 1350, 1413, 1575 & others. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 --- On Sat, 11/14/09, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:45 PM thanks fore the info ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:31 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? No on both counts. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: hank smith=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:34 PM Subject: {AMSF} part 15 uk equivolent, and also am sterio in uk? hello does either ixist? if so where can I find out more? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Thu Nov 19 19:22:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61943 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2009 03:21:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2009 03:21:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 03:21:57 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955CD2AFEE for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:21:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4B060B54.4090709@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:21:56 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: IF filters X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=l6zn_2y8Db1oMZyEYk-bcP93jCgyUCPovorWU4s5lhhvOw X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst The older land line analog cordless phones used +/- 7.5KHz 6 pole ceramic filters, although some had +/-6KHz ones, made by muRata, ToKo and other manufacturers. They were 455KHz and were the Butterworth type suitable for mechanically tuned radios with a 455KHz IF. There is one in the base and one in the handset. The type used in the commercially made AMS radios used Gaussian type with a flat delay response in the passband with a gradual passband roll off while the Butterworth ones had a flatter in passband response but their delay response was less than optimal. The Butterworth ones should give good performance with good selectivity, much better than LC tuned IF filters. You will find that the 7.5KHz ones are a good compromise between wide and narrow offering fair adjacent carrier rejection during detection. With EQ and a high Q notch filter for adjacent carrier rejection a fairly flat adtio response out to almost 10KHz is obtainable. For the muRata ones the 7.5KHz and wider had an input/output impedance of 1.5K while the 6KHz ones and narrower had an input/output impedance of 2K. The typical muRata ones were black and labeled 55E, 55 for 455KHz and E for 7.5KHz. Other bandwidth codes are D=10KHz, F=6KHz, G=4.5KHz. JSG > Hi Gang!!! > Time ago, somebody in this forum wrote a web address to get tuner IF filters, but the link didn't work. I wonder if > someone in this forum knows where can I buy those filters (10kHz audio bandwidth, 450 and/or 455 kHz). > > Thanks for your time!!! > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Fri Nov 20 11:36:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 211 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2009 19:36:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2009 19:36:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 19:36:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2009 19:36:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2009 19:36:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:36:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liability by the FCC! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=93bzGOirH6Dax794iZb9HNYyDEIzYrfXzDf_1coG66_P7lkIRGN53Rbq X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon My goodness! What can of worms have I opened here? I have another development in the KENC story: Ken Cartwright, the owner of = KENC, took the opportunity to ask the FCC agent what he needed to do to mak= e his station Part 15 compliant during the inspection. Mr. Cartwright foll= owed the suggestions of the FCC inspector, but doing so caused the signal's= coverage to deteriorate to a point where it was virtually useless. The FC= C has also informed Mr. Cartwright that his station IS required to comply w= ith the field strength limit of 14.2 uV/m at a distance of 30 meters from t= he transmitter. After finding that the cost of professional field strength= meters capable of taking such readings was way outside his budget (and lik= ely that of most hobbyists), Mr. Cartwright contacted a consulting broadcas= t engineering firm. The engineer told him that they could take the field s= trength readings for $400, but that his signal wouldn't be listenable from = "across the street" if he were in field strength compliance. Source: http://www.kencradio.com/press.php I have two comments regarding how this story has progressed: 1) My most sincere congratulations go out to Mr. Cartwright for doing the l= egwork to build a resource to serve his community. Mr. Cartwright's unfort= unate experiences with the FCC go above and beyond the call of duty in that= they provide a well-documented example of how the FCC rules are enforced. 2) There seems to be never ending debate on the technical details of the Pa= rt 15 rules for low-powered intentional radiators. This case, in my opinio= n, MUST put the questions of that debate to rest. Unless somebody really w= ants to spend money on specialized attorneys to challenge the FCC on the pr= oper meaning of its own rules, one has to accept that the FCC WILL apply th= e field strength rules. --Alfredo From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 20 12:59:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65185 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2009 20:58:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2009 20:58:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 20:58:57 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAKKwko6000873 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:58:46 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d67.4b93bb8d (42808) for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:58:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:58:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liab... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=EfYgJzAKH5irqTld6gFrEP4RXiPgd6zs_kHrTntunykcVzuwgUyIh_EmGd7u1jfF X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In order to do engineering in Oregon, I am certain a professional engineering license is required. That is different than a FCC General Class license. Do you know if Oregon has reciprocity with Arkansas? Some states require a fee for a temporary permit but might be waved that given this would not be a commercial enterprise on my part. The field meter I am familar with is a Nems Clarke. I can probably call around and find one to borrow. Because of the forensic nature of the survey, it would have to have a valid NIST traceable calibration. If the station complies with ALL the requirements of an intentional radiator AND its transmitter is FCC Type Approved or Accepted, then the 15uV/m at lambda / 2 PI does not apply. One would not have any appreciable range using that standard if that is the free space field. Where that standard applies is carrier current systems that rely on near field. Is the Hamilton Rangemaster FCC Type Approved or Accepted? All considering, if the guy is doing a professional job, a licensed 10 watt FM operation might be a good alternative. There is lots of that kind of equipment around at a very reasonable price. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 20 13:16:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40241 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2009 21:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2009 21:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da05.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.147) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 21:16:11 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAKLGALT001498 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:16:10 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d47.4d64377e (42808) for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:16:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:16:06 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liab... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=eN0h0uaOO0fR8YpQCUB5lxLb9CJNmGs8ECaKDLwweQozA80xsGrQxNb68fQ6zMJ3 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Hamilton Rangemaster looks remarkably like, if not identical to, the unit made by LPB. Are these related? It is FCC approved, so that if it is checked by a legally qualified technician that should not be a problem. Taking the FCC's position on the ground rule, none of the installations shown on Hamilton's website are legal. If the 102 in. whip antenna is used, the transmitter would have to be sitting on dirt. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Nov 20 13:47:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97679 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2009 21:46:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2009 21:46:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f226.google.com) (209.85.219.226) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2009 21:46:57 -0000 X-Received: by ewy26 with SMTP id 26so204993ewy.23 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:45:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.213.25.74 with SMTP id y10mr716921ebb.14.1258753556686; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:45:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from experien120f09 (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm474018eyz.31.2009.11.20.13.45.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:45:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36238F0DCBFE448D95A4F026B2503FA5@experien120f09> To: References: Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:45:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5508 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5508 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liab... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=UUBBEEMOsex2Mnan1jEts8Y0Kvw1-nd4gFce2k1qu9q4C2RBevUO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how can you get a licensed fm 10 watt if the lp fm licensing window is closed? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:58 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liab... In order to do engineering in Oregon, I am certain a professional engineering license is required. That is different than a FCC General Class license. Do you know if Oregon has reciprocity with Arkansas? Some states require a fee for a temporary permit but might be waved that given this would not be a commercial enterprise on my part. The field meter I am familar with is a Nems Clarke. I can probably call around and find one to borrow. Because of the forensic nature of the survey, it would have to have a valid NIST traceable calibration. If the station complies with ALL the requirements of an intentional radiator AND its transmitter is FCC Type Approved or Accepted, then the 15uV/m at lambda / 2 PI does not apply. One would not have any appreciable range using that standard if that is the free space field. Where that standard applies is carrier current systems that rely on near field. Is the Hamilton Rangemaster FCC Type Approved or Accepted? All considering, if the guy is doing a professional job, a licensed 10 watt FM operation might be a good alternative. There is lots of that kind of equipment around at a very reasonable price. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Fri Nov 20 17:41:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38510 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2009 01:41:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2009 01:41:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2009 01:41:12 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAL1eZE2013385 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:40:35 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d61.5e149df5 (30739) for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:40:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:40:30 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liab... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=0V3GcuJXG4tE3zH6SsnelyPfZi9xaXBoaDuNf-iezKBWzN_WKTRbPRK8q2OQ1hlJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/20/2009 3:47:39 PM Central Standard Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > how can you get a licensed fm 10 watt if the lp fm licensing window is > closed? > It is said when God closes a window, He opens a door. The FCC, believing it IS God, functions in much the same way. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 21 06:09:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41050 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2009 14:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2009 14:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2009 14:09:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2009 14:09:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2009 14:09:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:09:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.158.46 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liab... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=RWM0HnppMmUg-JZtYiPr6JwzTuVsqM5tJzT8ThUMO1riQBCdODWzybe2a-cxDgjlvsIbsHVm X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 11/20/2009 3:47:39 PM Central Standard Time,=20 > hanksmith5@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > how can you get a licensed fm 10 watt if the lp fm licensing window is= =20 > > closed? > >=20 >=20 > It is said when God closes a window, He opens a door. The FCC, believing= =20 > it IS God, functions in much the same way. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 Hi Gang Would it be eazyer to retune the Rangmaster to one or two watts an= d then aply for a licens insted of buying a new TX ? Jim Smith NOR CAL > From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 21 06:27:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99026 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2009 14:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2009 14:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2009 14:27:32 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nALERPOA013303 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:27:28 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c44.39212301 (32914) for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:27:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:27:24 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liab... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=F8warrb5mDPDneq8rBZBsIwFtZgGAghZriLq18pgcNtmT4hcpBYKL07T9Tz6io4q X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/2009 8:09:54 AM Central Standard Time, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net writes: > Hi Gang Would it be eazyer to retune the Rangmaster to one or two watts > and then aply for a licens insted of buying a new TX ? Jim Smith NOR CAL > To my understanding, the FCC doesn't license AM stations with that little primary authorized power. There are AM stations that run 10 or 20 watts during critical and nightime hours. The strange thing about situation is the measured field. Although it might be theoretically possible to produce that kind of field with 100 mW, I have never seen anything come near in practice. I doubt one could get that kind of field with a 40 ft. antenna, let only from ground lead radiation. The FCC probably thought the same thing. Someone needs to do an engineering investigation and get to the bottom of this. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 21 16:03:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95478 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2009 00:03:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2009 00:03:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 00:03:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.3] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091121180330003076200010.0) with SMTP id <20091121180330003076200010> for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:03:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008a01ca6b07$696a55c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20091118.082710.16645.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:03:30 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=561sikbdCQwFSpJLfcMDMdBOK_hSIf17JtUgDQ1WLUfrl1OixYl6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a way that's good news for the rest of us should we ever come into enough cash to buy a station. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: {AMSF} KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000 KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000, starting with a $10,000 deposit from buyer. Disney originally paid Entercom $2 million for the facility back in 2002. Once upon a time.5-kw daytime/1-kw nighttime AMs in Wichita were worth $2,000,000 to the Magic Kingdom of Disney. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 21 16:15:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99317 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2009 00:15:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2009 00:15:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 00:15:11 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.3] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091121181458000702600011.0) with SMTP id <20091121181458000702600011> for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:14:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00ea01ca6b09$03eb2420$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <408306.51447.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:14:58 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=t3J3TGHzsARIAjYwuqMI91DoJuMDL9BRaC1s3gPkGkpYf_OaZf7a X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately the RD O&O stations I know of are mono and use a 9200 mono audio processor. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000 If it was a Radio Disney there's a 50/50 chance it actually has a stereo board and stereo audio chain and would be a great C-Quam project for us if the new owner is ready and willing!! Is it listed on the old CQuam list? John --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 21 16:17:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36404 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2009 00:17:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2009 00:17:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 00:17:40 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.3] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091121181735001324900010.0) with SMTP id <20091121181735001324900010> for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:17:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <011301ca6b09$616272c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:17:35 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liab... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=TsN_Ti-iShdy4OY-oVp-FNH6npwWE7FdB0hxs0glUp1dxmDV9aWw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The FCC hasn't licensed 10W class D FMs in almost 30 years. And as Hank pointed out there aren't any filing windows open yet either. ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com All considering, if the guy is doing a professional job, a licensed 10 watt FM operation might be a good alternative. There is lots of that kind of equipment around at a very reasonable price. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sat Nov 21 16:44:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39878 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2009 00:44:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2009 00:44:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 00:44:20 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail02.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.142]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFSTCKDA2QTTDJ for (sender ); Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:43:15 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD00O/4IzrwiaMBuyb0rxG4E= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail02.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PXXCHBZA; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:42:28 PST X-Received: from [76.194.241.197] by webmail02.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:41:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:41:44 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091121.164144.20451.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 841 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3936605998 X-MAIL-INFO:18a11c08b801e1853db8484ced759c7c05b8f931cd75954dbc35a9f8bd2d3d31d1dc982898f538d1f888c1610c8995f8c1594869f11c891c2dc9c515 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.142|webmail02.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=-tIMdmjDDmNiEZuNhCKNlOXeZ__i8Yk3oFwG_Y6i3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Greg outbid me by $50k. Don=20 ---------- Original Message ---------- From: To: Subject: Re: {AMSF} KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:03:30 -0600 (CST) In a way that's good news for the rest of us should we ever come into enoug= h cash to buy a station. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: {AMSF} KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000 =20=20=20=20 KQAM (1480) sold for $350,000, starting with a $10,000 deposit from buyer= .=20 Disney originally paid Entercom $2 million for the facility back in 2002.= =20 Once upon a time.5-kw daytime/1-kw nighttime AMs in Wichita were worth $2= ,000,000 to the Magic Kingdom of Disney. From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Nov 21 17:18:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37571 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2009 01:15:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2009 01:15:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 01:15:01 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAM1EUMG030491 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:14:30 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d46.4d2998eb (14467) for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:14:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:14:28 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liab... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=DgdXe5R_F3oBU5PLfWUozZyaYen0zesURPveV3Mn2jNHgX93eNTt-RS1PKnetz4h X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/2009 6:18:09 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > The FCC hasn't licensed 10W class D FMs in almost 30 years. And as Hank > pointed out there aren't any filing windows open yet either. > Just hire a K-Street lobbyist and s/he can get the FCC to issue you a license to operate a 10 watt FM station on Mars if that's you wanted. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Nov 21 18:09:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60139 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2009 02:08:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2009 02:08:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 02:08:58 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.253] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091121200828003183400011.0) with SMTP id <20091121200828003183400011> for ; Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:08:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01b201ca6b18$dfd759e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:08:28 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liab... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=YDz2AWbE5hztxdhuhIEUbgZ2lc4wnAM04RgyW5zt4kYUb5pqFKun X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it were that easy there are numerous LPFM wannabes that would have done it by now. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liab... In a message dated 11/21/2009 6:18:09 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > The FCC hasn't licensed 10W class D FMs in almost 30 years. And as Hank > pointed out there aren't any filing windows open yet either. > Just hire a K-Street lobbyist and s/he can get the FCC to issue you a license to operate a 10 watt FM station on Mars if that's you wanted. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wa2fnq@optonline.net Sun Nov 22 08:40:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59378 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2009 16:40:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2009 16:40:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 16:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2009 16:39:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2009 16:39:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:39:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01b201ca6b18$dfd759e0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liab... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=1P-FfX1H68DQ6drAMsUaz3u2PmgCGYYBDl663aWoJGrH X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq And don't think you're gonna get away without doing all the engineering stu= dies. It's not just filling out an application even if you're only going to= run 1 watt. Jerry WA2FNQ --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > If it were that easy there are numerous LPFM wannabes that would have don= e it by now. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: mjgrant@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 7:18 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice o= f Apparent Liab... >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > In a message dated 11/21/2009 6:18:09 PM Central Standard Time,=20 > scottn0bst@... writes: >=20 > > The FCC hasn't licensed 10W class D FMs in almost 30 years. And as Ha= nk=20 > > pointed out there aren't any filing windows open yet either. > >=20 >=20 > Just hire a K-Street lobbyist and s/he can get the FCC to issue you a=20 > license to operate a 10 watt FM station on Mars if that's you wanted. >=20 > Mike >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Nov 22 11:56:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76009 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2009 19:56:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2009 19:56:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 19:56:09 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAMJu08i019605 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:56:01 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c3d.6ac20730 (48624) for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:55:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:55:29 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: "Part 15" Community Broadcaster issued Notice of Apparent Liab... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=S-LlvAf4lObn9G_0n8pSrTcpvfnlgoQOFsqIDdr4C_dwiU9HCf303929v1wX9oaF X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/22/2009 10:40:38 AM Central Standard Time, wa2fnq@optonline.net writes: > And don't think you're gonna get away without doing all the engineering > studies. It's not just filling out an application even if you're only going > to run 1 watt. > Like I said, it takes more than a General Class operator license to conduct and certify an engineering study. Those guys are all PE's. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 22 15:16:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20462 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2009 23:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2009 23:16:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f199.google.com) (209.85.211.199) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 23:16:05 -0000 X-Received: by ywh37 with SMTP id 37so4684151ywh.17 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:15:05 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.203.29 with SMTP id f29mr2160069agq.106.1258931705256; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:15:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1643978yxd.70.2009.11.22.15.15.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:15:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:14:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=ZGTQwDkWPWveH0_DpGck0bneRcS45_1H9PrG_3Q3gQW2QgJ4XEns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello any one know the tool to find out what fcc database tool can tell me what analog channels are not being used in my market? we hae a few lps still active Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 22 15:16:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17799 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2009 23:16:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2009 23:16:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f188.google.com) (209.85.210.188) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2009 23:16:16 -0000 X-Received: by yxe26 with SMTP id 26so4174775yxe.4 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:16:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.26.14 with SMTP id d14mr5727554agj.84.1258931763326; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:16:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1645748yxd.44.2009.11.22.15.16.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:16:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9546073A2A4E49028329B7E25D617CDE@workstation> To: Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:15:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: lp analog tv. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=pmQRdretPn571cFcdDTPG1LqVJHLFTTotcb-RsWB59UJSAQ1omp1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello any one found any "pirate analog tv in your area?" figure sense the bands are free wondered if any one has tried that yet? there is one in nyc on 14 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Nov 22 16:01:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54881 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 00:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 00:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f184.google.com) (209.85.221.184) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 00:01:50 -0000 X-Received: by qyk14 with SMTP id 14so2470670qyk.11 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:01:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.83.136 with SMTP id f8mr2124076qal.86.1258934509693; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:01:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.33.48? (dialup-4.154.33.48.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm10522625qwj.23.2009.11.22.16.01.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:01:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:59:53 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=T14pXeIx2kwtzHydutS7v4BvOlGwPcywW5SelJXy9_R8ZZ1qfM-nuw5q3J-rRw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Hank Smith wrote: > hello any one know the tool to find out what fcc database tool can tell me what analog channels are not being used in my market? > What are you trying to do? If you just want a simple tool to see where to put your iPod's FM Transmitter, http://www.radio-locator.com has tool for that. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 22 16:10:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70680 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 00:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 00:10:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f172.google.com) (209.85.211.172) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 00:10:03 -0000 X-Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so5101824ywh.27 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:10:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.105.3 with SMTP id h3mr1002835agm.6.1258935002753; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:10:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm1661184yxf.11.2009.11.22.16.10.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:10:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8FE2394F3CDD4C9AA6AF9534AC7B7F9C@workstation> To: Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:09:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: rant hd tv problems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=OB5hq6BqCm5y2Hao588cGNa9zxpdY59IBze9dlVlATNSTksBRy5f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a dish net subscriber I was listening to sports with my sighted neighbor one problem I have with hd tv is video drop outs accorded to my sighted neighbor and audio drop outs it is happening all the time hd tv sucks why did they kill analog? is it just me noticing this anoyance? if anything it runes the enjoyment of watching/listening to digital telivision. analog was static but listinable ghosty but watchable [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 22 16:13:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42918 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 00:13:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 00:13:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f182.google.com) (209.85.211.182) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 00:13:38 -0000 X-Received: by ywh12 with SMTP id 12so4701238ywh.21 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:12:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.38.9 with SMTP id l9mr501214agl.31.1258935158261; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:12:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 35sm1658327yxh.51.2009.11.22.16.12.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:12:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:12:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: rant am sick of the fcc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=nXAwolZspC8iFcEuL-TykvuaZmdDy75DNbrJiWSwKJd7BriCsTS6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello who on here hates the fcc? I believe this hole hd tv and hd radio was fcc designed fore corprate control. where is thd decision of the americian people? no where. we don't have no say in analog radio to digital nor tv analog to digital its time fore the american people to take back the airwaves both in tv and radio and say no to corprate control both religious outfits, and everyday folks turn on your transmitters both analog tv and analog radio and all your drm digital transmitter with tell corparatations we will take no more bowl shit. end of rant [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 22 16:16:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4834 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 00:16:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 00:16:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f220.google.com) (209.85.217.220) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 00:16:37 -0000 X-Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so4582201gxk.14 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:16:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.127.20 with SMTP id z20mr5710466agc.118.1258935392990; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:16:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1663295yxg.28.2009.11.22.16.16.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:16:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <618FFEDA12B9416CB1B12EEBA32D6206@workstation> To: Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:16:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.220 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: log live analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=-sH7w0qfJcNpAASUJrD79ZJi7_9l-E4opu6vJyeH-D9nibf_2FDn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit long live analog everybody can I get a long live analog analog is the bomb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Nov 22 16:33:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93703 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 00:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 00:33:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f202.google.com) (209.85.221.202) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 00:33:12 -0000 X-Received: by qyk40 with SMTP id 40so2693470qyk.22 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:33:12 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.53.67 with SMTP id l3mr2138515qag.144.1258936392431; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:33:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.33.48? (dialup-4.154.33.48.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm10580554qwb.2.2009.11.22.16.32.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:33:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B09D7C6.1020805@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:31:02 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <9546073A2A4E49028329B7E25D617CDE@workstation> In-Reply-To: <9546073A2A4E49028329B7E25D617CDE@workstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} lp analog tv. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=eyiZ9OCXErOeYGn_HHD2EkGn47vuJDRQ3dOnWxxLcjhRcVWhP2-TUfmacnNaMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Hank Smith wrote: > figure sense the bands are free wondered if any one has tried that yet? > Back a LONG time ago when Cable TV would just pull the TV signal from the air, we had a local VHF Channel 4 that would sign off after NBC's "Tonight Show" aired. I had a buddy that lived near the Cable TV Head for CableVision. We wired up his Beta machine's Channel 4 Output to a BIG amplifier to feed his Channel Master TV antenna. He could then play Tapes and it would feed over the Cable TV in Simpsonville, SC, along with most of Mauldin and Fountain Inn! We never did put anything really BAD on the air that would make them come hunting the station down, so it lasted until the "REAL" TV Station went 24 hours a Day. I wonder if the engineers over at TV 4 ever got any phone calls asking WHY the picture quality got so BAD in the wee hours of the Morning! LOL -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Nov 22 16:52:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38969 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 00:52:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 00:52:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 00:52:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 40957 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2009 00:52:29 -0000 Message-ID: <566404.40216.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Ec8p1AEVM1lTRVenZrCJLEKqsoRItMske6kNiv7Gui3ZsH14VyNpf9jffCOXFsPUlJG4F8xJmoQAocEiOeXJyM.OmijuXF7GybQb04B_EAvSLNWKik..ed.x45kqdjFTIlWXvTdcaYe2P_5CGHZ_1bBBZjNtDuSNWoTA75Wq.bT8Z7ZIUw1gFr3.FZx1j9K9acPup8b2gZe4Co0PUgo31A2ZwBJsSLG8BQZ2NBJ31ctjYU4MGtvm3XIB_i81r0l55Hdz4vPf33gqAwlXLQSkSLwHTdQexcpwyX.HmrBGsM52yI_F28YMG9Eh9EAke.d6Z_tkV7gOb6WaL._D.RpbDezjtj9b6lelUUdWiGej5lSW3IxXPmuf4KN2Q.WqcRFNXhOOS.fz1VboBoaNxHt5V3C.AxFnWrQhg8lICzfAVYqsviqeAYKCeuzEU7IQwjy2iyyhGWucsgA4dLKWBa1wlY.w_97ioBmBm_07yKbaz4V4D0lnZEr9tU6LNptP5ni_m4Pukw0tvUwsphTBqNQz4RUO7XbRvuEpjFta8.8ll_vxmnx5_UJmhIQ9VxUkpQy8k6hOJ3OGjctAAc8AD3VQ18W2auiYroiJIKrU5K4GA6gVIzduhlfIoW8ae_u70RjWdiCK2iPR0zsRoBTiH2RlWkEDnK24wwN__wCXBD9SQGJdVHYqxCcle6t69AmPvVmGdSMEN0ETYIkw02UTPwtXGXRcSDTUARWr9WSEfGyuvcM790jVcOF4.HsZieuxQCi_f87mRvjR9Duz0D1GntM_XxTM32LbqiKtbcYktBwUg9.WCKu8vEV_4GV.rEjkSYVTEp_pJlzxOuXpj15ZIPf2m.xekoME3plKkHqJmsViERjMWjDjG1nJ3jfEtTCUg7hDX8AZKgw.pQayTFaIDXBpSv6TMbmkEddRf4ivxoTZf98u8i20xc8SMt8vlL.zrCdHfSJV7BUQid4RjGJLnIKmXKEBRRZDhUV_8UYeDaxD7rNRAeSLK_Mw8TYHsVdFp5fOyUOks5_EKuS7_lTmQ86HBq87jpESnG9iNBXGIt0KcY7LLKVX1t9Ixkbn2q5cEw0k78iHg_RLXZ6T8ZXyF5r.X_gi11fcDJBheJMr8bO.goVpJPqjhDnwricClkKd4lhVBEV8nfpansCp_8zpquyjiP93VfiaiV.HHEhuU4RZf532PIt2JwNEc_8qWDYciY0cEFf3KvkIpX81fmULhSNdWzB5vWPZy8340mRbwm3vUrubF6hUHsnVjUj1eNeEY_xUlrYdxxmmThxwkFOsZJY4HAKOUTfl1js- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:52:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:52:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} rant am sick of the fcc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=emCioW6EFpEW9i8UpiQj57y1IZj9-s3KAgoHTaFUYfqODw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Preach on, my brother! =C2=A0We spent 60 years perfecting the NTSC system, = and by the time it was killed, it was the best of all the analog systems. (= PAL was a modified version of NTSC) =C2=A0Yes, snow and maybe noise in a p= oor signal area, but it took a LOT of loss to unlock the color or synch, or= mess up the audio.(Did you know the ORIGINAL NTSC had a better color gamut= than Technicolor film?) =C2=A0I am all for improving TV, but we could have= done it better by going to a wider-band version of NTSC, as Japan once did= . =C2=A0I know the argument "we need more channels", but when we pay for ca= ble or bird, and half the channels are running infommercials all night, wha= t does that tell you?Yes, I detest the FCC, too! =C2=A0The are bought and p= aid for by the NAB and the big corps.That is why I love it when pirates sta= nd up to them...G --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Hank Smith wrote: From: Hank Smith Subject: {AMSF} rant am sick of the fcc To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 7:12 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 hello who on here hates the fcc? I believe this hole hd tv and hd radio was fcc designed fore corprate contr= ol. where is thd decision of the americian people? no where. we don't have no say in analog radio to digital nor tv analog to digital its time fore the american people to take back the airwaves both in tv and = radio and say no to corprate control both religious outfits, and everyday folks turn on your transmitters both analog tv and analog radio and all your drm = digital transmitter with tell corparatations we will take no more bowl shit. end of rant [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Nov 22 16:53:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41504 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 00:53:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 00:53:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 00:53:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 59929 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2009 00:53:39 -0000 Message-ID: <660842.96277.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Cu1ghS0VM1l5_2BHsRQTrIsuYPBHPiCAxfYJhUQmYn9vQniG8dV7UrR9H4LIu8WhPKtYAwbj5iCOyJOqFapsFYOW9coxS76EPle1pbipgNOHaXGZTGKqTKIM7BfaPxcZSgmZPlpoMNaWi4lByI0u89aTluLX0HyaGWT7IY0SG7Q0GPKNdRcgo8cNLZm3HIK1W9q3MGBLZEKb0rOFj6WIR3iBio2z5v1LN5uymqsvqTD73T.z.0cvqUIV9cF95nW9E_6lA.FGhr.YYH2uU_DcMrlki9yzrK3vL3q17j2S_dHTeKZQy_f1WT4YX3Zgv26TsA0WUaACsWkIwcy0morrM51FcM7feO8_zuAvRibu2ZpDP5cgNNCxQGBzjk0qmXUbPzyMWrfy43SXPKQDo9WbJVGsIsIoFqyv_U19ldfIRh4ruhbJJHRqZ_Mcf0NwIiNeGidba1Nq6IrsaNpr5S3uc8VtDuF94tYz078aMP2ETlN8Tw0VNJLy_zX3gyUkm2_lKEM_upRbxgcqt825lRhkNs6NWT33XnGr9TjAxjeN1cNThSNxd9CM3WfhBD0Ne9QJZJj0gSvoPUc5_mrWuWzdkrI1YZxwXgJK9IIaELXrcMX877itmYf18ewjR2c_Ge6uxSupBNqAYQ8bAvf6fsga7GQ_7eeVyk.QSHFM.r0JERj2ifK1EKml.LphoamJ9BVgrk99lOFXzu0_pNPNNqlCHDpMpifqh8yaCO5.3nimSr1sSjK2UNnJyj.1PYPV81uyvAyqFIIzoPkuIfn_k6cZoF4ktDqdIKSu0JfCObeNsC_sAFqBGQ9uIRRUcVyXwXS488omL8g_Q9oH58vjsydO11Z.HfA9W_fH_0.LGfUZ.7c46xs_iiGsTMXzT8WBZ.Bj7UPdJeIvzXXbX.6kzTnm0Au4wp2YvFqdUfFDquFTKYxOYVfijuSq5WziNUR_knlXJ.sRUL9a6c9zsokOPSpHC8vudhZytA0Yi0O7gMHwSGb6nuK4yYu3WNv9j7RL9vulHP.vI4nOTG3DTUg_Vpb0cW4TCqeDPSoSKaL_e.A.vRPytya701I7LVVgT7Y0C2Qev1fSMl4_B4fEHNqgTZ_FIVygCvrvABNg2PBnDi4CXNoxbmr_nWQgSqK8vOOgvWyc8_VBQP4lMmuue_VPM.IT1xcvcMh_A.wJHAeEfzlG5N6JLdXfCNXa9CxvDWJwidiDkZsejbhU1uD1A1SLOu0dSbJGoGQQhVFTR7BYlam90C8d5NL4ARBYBMbJTxG4st6fiyzB X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:53:39 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:53:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <618FFEDA12B9416CB1B12EEBA32D6206@workstation> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} log live analog X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ePuap2ob_SszJUYdZx7ROj7lCsWf8Rnev8UiZb0KUdb8pA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You sure got MY "AMEN", Hank! =C2=A0I mourn the death of my favorite bird (= peacock) to this day...G --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Hank Smith wrote: From: Hank Smith Subject: {AMSF} log live analog To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 7:16 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 long live analog everybody can I get a long live analog analog is the bomb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Nov 22 16:57:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22099 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 00:57:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 00:57:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 00:57:02 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so1002055qwb.63 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:56:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.39.70 with SMTP id f6mr2120510qae.341.1258937780581; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:56:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.33.48? (dialup-4.154.33.48.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.33.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm3146144qyk.4.2009.11.22.16.55.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:56:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B09DCDD.9030601@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:52:45 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <8FE2394F3CDD4C9AA6AF9534AC7B7F9C@workstation> In-Reply-To: <8FE2394F3CDD4C9AA6AF9534AC7B7F9C@workstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} rant hd tv problems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=f4AOdmyFb98qGojoLBss6CW07OlPzU6joy-vTVs1J83qqz6Tb41vdPY_gzWw1g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Hank Smith wrote: > I am a dish net subscriber > If you are having problems getting HDTV, Most likely you are having a Hardware issue. Is the problem just on the locals, or on other HD channels like Discovery or Fox News? In most, if not all Markets, the TV Stations send their signals to Dish over a cable, NOT from their Transmitter. The most likely problem is your antenna needs to be re-peaked to the Satellites. Because Dish uses several Satellites, and you dish has to look at all of them at the same time, I would have a Dish Authorized installer to check out your system. > why did they kill analog? > Personally, I think the Money Grubbers want to force everybody to Satellite or Cable so they can sell off ALL of the TV Channels. > is it just me noticing this anoyance? I lost Over The Air reception of both WSPA-TV 7 and WLOS-TV 13 with the conversion. On the other hand, I gained MUCH better reception of WUNF-TV 33 which has 3 channels of MUCH better programming that that crap on CBS and ABC, so I am Happy! LOL -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Nov 22 17:22:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64534 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 01:22:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 01:22:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f178.google.com) (209.85.221.178) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 01:22:21 -0000 X-Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so2613737qyk.24 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:22:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.29.203 with SMTP id r11mr2175779qac.110.1258939341316; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:22:21 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.39.3? (dialup-4.154.39.3.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.39.3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm3172887qyk.3.2009.11.22.17.22.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:22:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B09E3BB.3060202@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:22:03 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} rant am sick of the fcc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=HI6T8911KzAVkhZ94s9hADVvXQ-JEle6pN4bqX7LVOb8XFIurC823p1X1ltIcw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Hank Smith wrote: > turn on your transmitters both analog tv and analog radio and all your drm digital transmitter If you REALLY HATE the FCC, you can go on Ebay and find AM and FM transmitters and the equipment to make a Pirate Radio Station. Air a lot of stuff like Books on Tape and other reading Services for the Blind. Ignore the NALs you get from the FCC stating you are Blind and can't read them. If somebody does bust you, they would have a Hell of a time trying to get a Jury to lock up a Blind Guy for putting Reading Services for the Blind on the air! THAT is what they SHOULD be airing on the Public Educational Band instead of that Endless Blabber from NPR Talk Radio. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 22 17:55:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42479 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 01:55:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 01:55:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f198.google.com) (209.85.210.198) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 01:55:38 -0000 X-Received: by yxe36 with SMTP id 36so5178185yxe.11 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:55:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.45.11 with SMTP id s11mr5856591ags.72.1258941338305; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:55:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm1682432yxe.39.2009.11.22.17.55.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:55:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:55:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=-SeoEvH3oiaEUfa0a5pmkqSXZZgmAnaCsrcKuaExYiEl_wvcFMtV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am wanting to put a part15 tv transmitter eg something to transmit a tv singnal to my liviromm to my kitched I need to find free analog frequiencies ev what is is open ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? Hank Smith wrote: > hello any one know the tool to find out what fcc database tool can tell me what analog channels are not being used in my market? > What are you trying to do? If you just want a simple tool to see where to put your iPod's FM Transmitter, http://www.radio-locator.com has tool for that. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Nov 22 18:02:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13875 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 02:02:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 02:02:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 02:02:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 56254 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2009 02:02:11 -0000 Message-ID: <646189.54211.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PKkEJ04VM1nUqOSaRijtableUgR1s7mnjJgiFT1xlRA5U5KcTwChqNtMdzWf1ZSE_6_TDVvGyTwx7LVVAQciwr3meLOK6d0TmrSWnzQeZZIcNN5FuvP3SIpcbop9NJztlGnujKaa2qoo.NZOuJJLbQI0XARHUN65sZLQdlqckFg_fXd2gJlKPBmmKMK7IMc_yRiRH4_agCC0SGCbM53R4MKqAN7kQDlFCOl9mboUyAwmvQ_ks1JRBPzKBIxg2RVwEO5I35RuQZFm8YWTJGatkEkE8INFW5O29fnuLKWw6zoL X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:02:11 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:02:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Old Radio Disneys X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=u8tCKxVTRPRFLBFrXE8s9xpkuXsGeJdIsXu4wmJi0_Iw7pq8-rr5tUg X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio RD in LA (before swapping 710 frequencies with ESPN) was CQuam AM stereo when I was there once, as was the one in Metro Chicago and one in Grand Rapids (an X-band) station, and a 2nd RD that was also in the X-Band in stereo, pre IBOC days. So there's a lot ole CQuam hardware floating around some of the RD stations. Always wondered why 1560 NYC never put their stereo back on when they switched to RD from classical/standards music. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Nov 22 18:13:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98657 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 02:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 02:13:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f202.google.com) (209.85.221.202) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 02:13:21 -0000 X-Received: by qyk40 with SMTP id 40so2720458qyk.22 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:13:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.1.137 with SMTP id 9mr2171849qaf.105.1258942400559; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:13:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.39.3? (dialup-4.154.39.3.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.39.3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm10742929qwf.4.2009.11.22.18.13.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:13:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:13:01 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=JhBs3QHNRHKSvlU_mcp6X47AefQyf9BzAlNtq-UDP6tlwcMxLkg0GSBuAHdvPg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Hank Smith wrote: > I am wanting to put a part15 tv transmitter > eg something to transmit a tv singnal to my liviromm to my kitched I need to find free analog frequiencies ev what is is open Almost ALL of the VHF Low stations are gone now. The easy way would be to use the TV 3 or TV 4 out of whatever devise you are using, boost it up a bit and feed it to an antenna to the TV you want the signal to go to. If you want to get fancy, VCR Rabbit used to make a doo-dad that would do this on UHF. I am not sure if they are still around or not. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 22 19:32:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91794 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 03:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 03:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f188.google.com) (209.85.210.188) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 03:31:59 -0000 X-Received: by yxe26 with SMTP id 26so4279412yxe.4 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:31:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.226.13 with SMTP id y13mr5789360agg.107.1258947118694; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:31:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm1724157yxg.24.2009.11.22.19.31.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:31:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:31:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=aqNXLvnavnnXeKpzLgbbCM3E4kCGgla4-TADoiCl0AW_zkhhYndv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what ampifliyer would you you suggest I use? ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 7:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? Hank Smith wrote: > I am wanting to put a part15 tv transmitter > eg something to transmit a tv singnal to my liviromm to my kitched I need to find free analog frequiencies ev what is is open Almost ALL of the VHF Low stations are gone now. The easy way would be to use the TV 3 or TV 4 out of whatever devise you are using, boost it up a bit and feed it to an antenna to the TV you want the signal to go to. If you want to get fancy, VCR Rabbit used to make a doo-dad that would do this on UHF. I am not sure if they are still around or not. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Nov 22 19:50:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22630 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 03:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 03:49:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.148) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 03:49:58 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so1001496qwc.42 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:49:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.53.101 with SMTP id l37mr2189908qag.367.1258948156567; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:49:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.39.3? (dialup-4.154.39.3.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.39.3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm10942719qwe.55.2009.11.22.19.49.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:49:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B0A062A.3090201@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:48:58 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.148 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=Qb_DpXFmScDCdH28kO27V7hXasFrFlVamOIIbqzCQFvK28wUSjNvpzfQhDFPFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Hank Smith wrote: > what ampifliyer would you you suggest I use? > Something like this guy would work, if the distance between the sets is not much: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3374890 Please note your neighbors will also be able to watch what is on your TV, so be careful what you air! LOL -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 22 20:03:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98479 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 04:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 04:03:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f192.google.com) (209.85.210.192) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 04:03:29 -0000 X-Received: by yxe30 with SMTP id 30so5602288yxe.29 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:02:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.159.16 with SMTP id h16mr6038647age.24.1258948948937; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:02:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm1740726yxh.4.2009.11.22.20.02.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:02:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <44391A95FE2B4C90B64E1752C3AD59B8@workstation> To: References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> <4B0A062A.3090201@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:02:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=YCEQzXGdbRBVSKPJNJdsy8rKYpXXY8SZuqJSCtRj2t0jxiAHdCXz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is the hightest most powerfull amp I can get away with and I mean the more power the better? ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 8:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? Hank Smith wrote: > what ampifliyer would you you suggest I use? > Something like this guy would work, if the distance between the sets is not much: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3374890 Please note your neighbors will also be able to watch what is on your TV, so be careful what you air! LOL -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 22 20:41:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67295 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 04:41:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 04:41:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 04:41:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2009 04:41:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2009 04:41:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:41:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44391A95FE2B4C90B64E1752C3AD59B8@workstation> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.124.127 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=SdyUlQ0U_h9pXXONc2j8_qNOJnMVP_MN4Wh3KLj64ZmezCG5WFK9rp7HnaYhJHYZP_dhJvWH X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Hank Smith" wrote: > > what is the hightest most powerfull amp I can get away with and I mean th= e more power the better? >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kj4hyd=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being= used in area? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Hank Smith wrote: > > what ampifliyer would you you suggest I use? > >=20 > Something like this guy would work, if the distance between the sets is= =20 > not much: >=20 > http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3D3374890 >=20 > Please note your neighbors will also be able to watch what is on your=20 > TV, so be careful what you air! LOL > --=20 >=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical= standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang At one time RS sold cordless color stereo tx res. set. All you wou= ld have to do is hook it up to the stereo A/V out put of what you want to w= atch and ame the ant to the rec. and plug that in put of what you want to w= atch it on. Jim Smith NOR CAL From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 23 06:58:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15887 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 14:56:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 14:56:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f224.google.com) (209.85.217.224) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 14:56:33 -0000 X-Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so1143099gxk.6 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:56:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.172.17 with SMTP id z17mr296259ano.84.1258988184780; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:56:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.10? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1503382ywc.24.2009.11.23.06.56.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:56:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B0AA27D.4070902@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:55:57 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> <4B0A062A.3090201@gmail.com> <44391A95FE2B4C90B64E1752C3AD59B8@workstation> In-Reply-To: <44391A95FE2B4C90B64E1752C3AD59B8@workstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=6uJFqGtNtTsHedbK_Hd894fQQTl6q2ZQh0PA5BjFa-yW7r1CWP6fa062pis0ug X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Hank Smith wrote: > what is the hightest most powerfull amp I can get away with and I mean the more power the better? > I know a Pirate that covers 99% of his small town with this guy: http://www.starkelectronic.com/btp81.htm If I remember correctly, he is feeding 2 of them, one into the other. We used just one to get our signal into the Cable TV Head, when I was a TV Pirate back in the early 1980s. I will also have to do some more snooping around. I found an "Indian Head" Test Pattern with a 1 kHz audio Tone on Channel 5 last night in NTSC Analog. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 08:07:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76266 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 16:07:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 16:07:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 16:07:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2009 16:07:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2009 16:07:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:07:08 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.91 From: "jotape1960" Subject: AM analog quality and YouTube X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=HZpcdRWPgh3SFKqIFqGfzlWaHUY_Lnjod7x35kns8wLL13zgcw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if someone in this forum could made an audio/video material, to up= load into YouTube, and show the reality about AM analog and how the infamou= s narrow IF filters have been "playing" against the AM quality converting i= t into a telephone quality. Of course, it could show the AM Stereo as well. I want to do it but I don't have a very good WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE IF Filter to= show how to replace the AM tuner narrow IF filter and how the sound change= s dramatically. (I actually have two, but inside of my very good Philips AM= Stereo tuners and I don't want to screw up them). I guess there must be someone in this forum who can do it, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Mon Nov 23 13:05:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49591 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 21:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 21:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 21:04:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2009 21:02:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Nov 2009 21:02:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:02:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: rant am sick of the fcc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=-Zk_9E-lbYRfGztV_5wNn0fGRbzO4RAHkXMCqpG1ugpWIzvi-sQhjS4U X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon QUOTE: "I believe this hole hd tv and hd radio was fcc designed fore corpr= ate control." Indeed. The spectrum auctions of what once were UHF channels 52-69 were fo= r exclusive, nationwide rights to transmit there. Only large companies, su= ch as Google, Verizon, Microsoft, et al. could afford the nearly $1 billion= pricetag of such licenses. Even though there is a lot of consolidation in= television ownership, I would have much rather that television stations co= ntinue to use those frequencies. That way, at least a few of them in small= er markets might still be local mom & pop operations. To that, I have one legal suggestion: if you really don't want to see these= companies get any larger thanks to the FCC don't buy services that use the= se frequencies. Don't use Media FLO (it is on what once was channel 55). --Alfredo From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 23 13:26:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26786 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 21:26:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 21:26:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f227.google.com) (209.85.218.227) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 21:25:59 -0000 X-Received: by bwz27 with SMTP id 27so5463535bwz.21 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.16.85 with SMTP id n21mr5278871bka.140.1259011557442; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:25:57 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm39449fxm.2.2009.11.23.13.25.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:25:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <703CB622A52B437794ECAF640E267178@workstation> To: References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> <4B0A062A.3090201@gmail.com> <44391A95FE2B4C90B64E1752C3AD59B8@workstation> <4B0AA27D.4070902@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:25:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.218.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=wSCKrgzk9L9ozr61xIBOhqhkBzRi_ktIZaj7ceG5Ozriq-vv4gNT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how do you feed down the cable lines? and what is the cable head?thanks fore the urlscontinue to snoop fore me and let me know what you find out ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? Hank Smith wrote: > what is the hightest most powerfull amp I can get away with and I mean the more power the better? > I know a Pirate that covers 99% of his small town with this guy: http://www.starkelectronic.com/btp81.htm If I remember correctly, he is feeding 2 of them, one into the other. We used just one to get our signal into the Cable TV Head, when I was a TV Pirate back in the early 1980s. I will also have to do some more snooping around. I found an "Indian Head" Test Pattern with a 1 kHz audio Tone on Channel 5 last night in NTSC Analog. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 23 13:43:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70195 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 21:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 21:43:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f223.google.com) (209.85.218.223) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 21:43:03 -0000 X-Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so5501457bwz.9 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:42:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.34.20 with SMTP id j20mr1941098bkd.57.1259012520186; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:42:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm1558755fxm.7.2009.11.23.13.41.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:41:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9CF4FB7A4B2144399B0DB9C9B4E7AA01@workstation> To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:41:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.218.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Z1VGJxyT_egfmvDi8UgBANvQjC5J6usK2YYwKW6PYgXOl55rskUg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is media flow? what is its purpose? ----- Original Message ----- From: AlfredoT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc QUOTE: "I believe this hole hd tv and hd radio was fcc designed fore corprate control." Indeed. The spectrum auctions of what once were UHF channels 52-69 were for exclusive, nationwide rights to transmit there. Only large companies, such as Google, Verizon, Microsoft, et al. could afford the nearly $1 billion pricetag of such licenses. Even though there is a lot of consolidation in television ownership, I would have much rather that television stations continue to use those frequencies. That way, at least a few of them in smaller markets might still be local mom & pop operations. To that, I have one legal suggestion: if you really don't want to see these companies get any larger thanks to the FCC don't buy services that use these frequencies. Don't use Media FLO (it is on what once was channel 55). --Alfredo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 23 13:44:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74610 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 21:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 21:44:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f186.google.com) (209.85.211.186) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 21:44:46 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yw0-f186.google.com with SMTP id 16so5364640ywh.13 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:44:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.200.29 with SMTP id c29mr4234154anq.101.1259012685583; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:44:45 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.10? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm2097811yxe.54.2009.11.23.13.44.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:44:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B0B023B.5050000@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:44:27 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> <4B0A062A.3090201@gmail.com> <44391A95FE2B4C90B64E1752C3AD59B8@workstation> <4B0AA27D.4070902@gmail.com> <703CB622A52B437794ECAF640E267178@workstation> In-Reply-To: <703CB622A52B437794ECAF640E267178@workstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.186 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=MKSHNAHugj75oEouXpZiYqF66rDNWYbip3JvKnBEY7vE2n1hCDBvLJXgCUl_Dg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Hank Smith wrote: > how do you feed down the cable lines? > You don't! We fed TV 4 right into the off air antenna the Cable company used to pick up channel 4 off of the air and re-transmit it on Cable. Cable companies have not done this in YEARS, and it would not work nowadays. > and what is the cable head? That is where the Cable Company has all of the Satellite systems and feeds. It is where the Cable Starts! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 23 13:53:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50242 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 21:53:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 21:53:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f204.google.com) (209.85.211.204) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 21:53:17 -0000 X-Received: by ywh42 with SMTP id 42so5674592ywh.28 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:52:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.108.23 with SMTP id g23mr9506696ybc.207.1259013133920; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:52:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.10? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm1615532ywh.47.2009.11.23.13.52.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:52:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B0B03FB.2070003@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:51:55 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <9CF4FB7A4B2144399B0DB9C9B4E7AA01@workstation> In-Reply-To: <9CF4FB7A4B2144399B0DB9C9B4E7AA01@workstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=qRjLqdxFLGfZW-Ya4ltvdemk9ZCm9nvP8kSyiMEkdKyFPxKEwD46LWoP0URDqA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Hank Smith wrote: > what is media flow? Click here and learn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaFLO -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 23 14:17:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40267 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 22:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 22:17:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-bw0-f216.google.com) (209.85.218.216) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 22:17:53 -0000 X-Received: by bwz8 with SMTP id 8so5980114bwz.19 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:17:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.204.35.12 with SMTP id n12mr5291596bkd.147.1259014671982; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:17:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm1576440fxm.12.2009.11.23.14.17.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:17:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A7004145F90444BA741EF832A084CA5@workstation> To: References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> <4B0A062A.3090201@gmail.com> <44391A95FE2B4C90B64E1752C3AD59B8@workstation> <4B0AA27D.4070902@gmail.com> <703CB622A52B437794ECAF640E267178@workstation> <4B0B023B.5050000@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:17:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.218.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=NiRIfThcRXN-2ziAZZy1NhsBZKTP1gZ8OtK388hDCpkLwIWhOljr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit darn now if only you could get access to that hehehe my dish netowrk has a tv 2 it transmit via cable chanel 73 how is it doing that? and how far is that thing transmitting my signal? its only on tv2 hth ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? Hank Smith wrote: > how do you feed down the cable lines? > You don't! We fed TV 4 right into the off air antenna the Cable company used to pick up channel 4 off of the air and re-transmit it on Cable. Cable companies have not done this in YEARS, and it would not work nowadays. > and what is the cable head? That is where the Cable Company has all of the Satellite systems and feeds. It is where the Cable Starts! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 23 14:23:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39744 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 22:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 22:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f203.google.com) (209.85.210.203) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 22:23:45 -0000 X-Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so14048833yxe.30 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:23:45 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.176.13 with SMTP id y13mr9550605ybe.299.1259015024970; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:23:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.10? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm1630549ywg.34.2009.11.23.14.23.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:23:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B0B0B5E.3000304@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:23:26 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> <4B0A062A.3090201@gmail.com> <44391A95FE2B4C90B64E1752C3AD59B8@workstation> <4B0AA27D.4070902@gmail.com> <703CB622A52B437794ECAF640E267178@workstation> <4B0B023B.5050000@gmail.com> <3A7004145F90444BA741EF832A084CA5@workstation> In-Reply-To: <3A7004145F90444BA741EF832A084CA5@workstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=pWCSPFXY7PpLvc4VRcuHYUeTEP6O-dPKDDazrjinbaJWoEYeiB-3TejHy2l-bA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Hank Smith wrote: > my dish netowrk has a tv 2 it transmit via cable chanel 73 how is it doing that? > Is there not a cable going to TV 2? > and how far is that thing transmitting my signal? Not outside of your House, I am sure. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 23 14:27:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54476 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2009 22:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Nov 2009 22:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f218.google.com) (209.85.220.218) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Nov 2009 22:27:13 -0000 X-Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so3395726fxm.14 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:26:12 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.216.87.3 with SMTP id x3mr1785867wee.132.1259015172496; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:26:12 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g9sm10626611gvc.10.2009.11.23.14.26.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:26:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4951D01D07F742E0A87887B846DCB21C@workstation> To: References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> <4B0A062A.3090201@gmail.com> <44391A95FE2B4C90B64E1752C3AD59B8@workstation> <4B0AA27D.4070902@gmail.com> <703CB622A52B437794ECAF640E267178@workstation> <4B0B023B.5050000@gmail.com> <3A7004145F90444BA741EF832A084CA5@workstation> <4B0B0B5E.3000304@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:26:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=lxnvbJCMqaztfV6YDzc2nos5y7NqWfQhz15k4w1AMYf1y66VAb_8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit okay how is it doing it though> ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? Hank Smith wrote: > my dish netowrk has a tv 2 it transmit via cable chanel 73 how is it doing that? > Is there not a cable going to TV 2? > and how far is that thing transmitting my signal? Not outside of your House, I am sure. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 16:27:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3261 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 00:27:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 00:27:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 00:27:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 189 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2009 00:27:37 -0000 Message-ID: <638952.99598.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7JylJLYVM1l9o2sNxHI.x7PYzDjXisSKLLAhzv9rIHXM6f8qpcEXCUe.P8BJvG2VklN8E01Vh7Q3ucYQ2tGHZxLWOEw8uGkSNa2O2576Q7wfwEnOZLgfBUzeW8GNBrZRxsXsakc.7FGdBL92YwP5wZyyreljJSuKztk2CQvOfQ4iezeuN.Y4fVel96AfvyDJRq37AaS6tkGX.77TxmcxMTYWHBA79wEYYybKIZaYD.I8lAS5_4.2KcICceupGHhfveE9SsicQXeKTPb.VPZ6E8uPcCUrkJ2CvK40wklm8UYb45WSCguCXaQ3j1.Qpja8zX6u2jF.ROfUWYerYhDEcfgOJsT1N2E0GP5sXf2A2M521hBR68o_XAqRo1B1R9z33x4vjiuaUziS0iFy3qTDX9Y8vrZYtMBaonABe7lRP9biJTfdYTpecS2H3ve0C8nG5fGuqMOUDV7mLtAicgQVHKvn7HnssGRyFcfVU_2AwHKtKWkPhDT4cWOZmHDGAfzNbTBVct4TaK16znlnfe_M6lf9f.5j7.D0vZg6rSciW1Woz41XftZRWh6RG3yv0qBuOl7iJKuM_OBoCrcX_bNJ4dR14g3oxui1N0U6O.okKf4WnjH8VIa60lYCJlEXTLT5ZTBslsrwEVJKarEGYDBjIv1dXDqFhI2qQPsM4WPa9m.WfdJPyLj51Z8mQNsBf8p8ForT1ZsQEkAk8FjBgtOeg6QGhBXsuqlvknezFcfvwtLmq0UEOl39QNCWmrVjHbJ0rlC5RqKtGHrdZtQ1_bADs4PihujJ.fRy8Z_Lzzpxx0v_JEp_TLYIUqMI3uIsuvWexuBdaCvKyWMU_JaZa9noGxbxwGrqzqnb65VUFLnKv2wBgZHw0fd0XRsy8RUodm97fjVmzK_Qoxq0O2RRMlV0IJqrMAq49UchJVkiQB74QKxfGlzUHUVtC7S63QNmr_8sOH1t9tV1TxvBAuctNmOJUbhqa5VDtndLPBEXpmFIfUsRDqssZAekKtBll6xak1tx66dIacsygMpUdSUQVxdjx8YdLrVZjUEtN_fEgYWR0bp1dv.NsA4PuH1naSuyhdoTGgMuEyPWIZKtNbDXc_.yRYmvTozNzSYAeRNqkdaHH6qZmiA2GY9oIMQ4c.cFXAmDvdvqxBcAq2EdPlAG2vkFTvRIMnSr66rLobqrzE_a4_8ihKc_KpXdR21bs6ZYbl7JtZ6UoSj1I.ZIT_5AqD4zVcnFS2QESVFGKEjPlr1GS4crUjg4ItwkV0MG2BsHNJhfW6Z0KEwS2aMymZSzDR8LXhGZpkYckw-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:27:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:27:37 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=dSB7AdIf-1X66omCUW1uVR7mRQ5WyiTBwoyY3Y9Q0OzX-A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good suggestion! =C2=A0I have already begun boycotting several products bec= ause they advertise on TV stations that p#$$ me off. =C2=A0One local here r= uns HUGE animated ads over the program picture, covering at least a sixth o= f it, then add insult to injury by making strange swooshing and popping sou= nds move around in the back channels of the soundtrack.I sent them an email= ...you can no doubt guess the results!So I make a note of products they adv= ertise, then when shopping, will make a point of informing the store I WON'= T buy that product, and WHY!I'm only one person, but if enough people made = the station think their sponsors were getting ready to bail, you can bet yo= ur boots things would change.All these idiots care about is their bottom li= ne...threaten THAT, and you WILL have their undivided attention, guaranteed= !G --- On Mon, 11/23/09, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 4:02 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 QUOTE: "I believe this hole hd tv and hd radio was fcc designed fore= corprate control." Indeed. The spectrum auctions of what once were UHF channels 52-69 were fo= r exclusive, nationwide rights to transmit there. Only large companies, su= ch as Google, Verizon, Microsoft, et al. could afford the nearly $1 billion= pricetag of such licenses. Even though there is a lot of consolidation in= television ownership, I would have much rather that television stations co= ntinue to use those frequencies. That way, at least a few of them in small= er markets might still be local mom & pop operations. To that, I have one legal suggestion: if you really don't want to see these= companies get any larger thanks to the FCC don't buy services that use the= se frequencies. Don't use Media FLO (it is on what once was channel 55). --Alfredo =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 23 16:55:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75634 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 00:54:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 00:54:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 00:54:24 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so1124199qwb.47 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:54:23 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.63.134 with SMTP id b6mr2857618qai.246.1259024063613; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:54:23 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.34.205? (dialup-4.154.34.205.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.205]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm3869703qyk.8.2009.11.23.16.54.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:54:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B0B2EA8.4050300@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:54:00 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> <4B0A062A.3090201@gmail.com> <44391A95FE2B4C90B64E1752C3AD59B8@workstation> <4B0AA27D.4070902@gmail.com> <703CB622A52B437794ECAF640E267178@workstation> <4B0B023B.5050000@gmail.com> <3A7004145F90444BA741EF832A084CA5@workstation> <4B0B0B5E.3000304@gmail.com> <4951D01D07F742E0A87887B846DCB21C@workstation> In-Reply-To: <4951D01D07F742E0A87887B846DCB21C@workstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=A_7luxFv-Z50-IkGuc53k5fzMP-7J3bgU4NksAkWioyJf9nYTP6Tq5Aiel08tg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Hank Smith wrote: > okay > how is it doing it though> Coax Cable going from the TV 2 Out to the TV. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Mon Nov 23 17:25:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78536 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 01:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 01:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 01:25:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2009 01:25:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2009 01:25:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:25:03 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=bCyaLch5vsbdoREMejhSWHQN3xZmvZozJk6CFGVqS6-YRem6X0nkZ21V X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon A few words of caution: the Part 15 rules never permitted the output of VCR= s or cameras to be transmitted on frequencies that could be received by nor= mal TVs. This is why commercially available wireless video senders and wir= eless cameras transmitted on 900 MHz and 2400 MHz. It really would have been cool if wireless video cameras could have legally= transmitted on regular UHF channels, so that switching between multiple ca= meras could have been done simply by turning the TV channel. --Alfredo From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 23 18:07:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23197 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 02:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 02:07:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f202.google.com) (209.85.210.202) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 02:07:08 -0000 X-Received: by yxe40 with SMTP id 40so5842143yxe.28 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:07:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.54.1 with SMTP id g1mr7540506agk.20.1259028427395; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:07:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm2193975yxe.36.2009.11.23.18.07.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:07:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <738B2AFE35A2489199B90D9A4179C88E@workstation> To: References: <638952.99598.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:07:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Q-31PlEU86a5ENWkYsbebRfv3Gj3Bv3Qb17NzS4xUAk3iVI5QwUA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I aggree also took a look at media flw I am staying away from that corpret crap to ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc =20=20=20=20 Good suggestion! I have already begun boycotting several products becaus= e they advertise on TV stations that p#$$ me off. One local here runs HUGE= animated ads over the program picture, covering at least a sixth of it, th= en add insult to injury by making strange swooshing and popping sounds move= around in the back channels of the soundtrack.I sent them an email...you c= an no doubt guess the results!So I make a note of products they advertise, = then when shopping, will make a point of informing the store I WON'T buy th= at product, and WHY!I'm only one person, but if enough people made the stat= ion think their sponsors were getting ready to bail, you can bet your boots= things would change.All these idiots care about is their bottom line...thr= eaten THAT, and you WILL have their undivided attention, guaranteed!G --- On Mon, 11/23/09, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 4:02 PM =20=20=20 QUOTE: "I believe this hole hd tv and hd radio was fcc designed fore corp= rate control." Indeed. The spectrum auctions of what once were UHF channels 52-69 were f= or exclusive, nationwide rights to transmit there. Only large companies, su= ch as Google, Verizon, Microsoft, et al. could afford the nearly $1 billion= pricetag of such licenses. Even though there is a lot of consolidation in = television ownership, I would have much rather that television stations con= tinue to use those frequencies. That way, at least a few of them in smaller= markets might still be local mom & pop operations. To that, I have one legal suggestion: if you really don't want to see the= se companies get any larger thanks to the FCC don't buy services that use t= hese frequencies. Don't use Media FLO (it is on what once was channel 55). --Alfredo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 23 18:09:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4899 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 02:08:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 02:08:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f171.google.com) (209.85.211.171) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 02:08:57 -0000 X-Received: by ywh1 with SMTP id 1so5268962ywh.18 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:08:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.14.10 with SMTP id r10mr7558829agi.5.1259028535806; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:08:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm2171834yxe.3.2009.11.23.18.08.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:08:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> <4B0A062A.3090201@gmail.com> <44391A95FE2B4C90B64E1752C3AD59B8@workstation> <4B0AA27D.4070902@gmail.com> <703CB622A52B437794ECAF640E267178@workstation> <4B0B023B.5050000@gmail.com> <3A7004145F90444BA741EF832A084CA5@workstation> <4B0B0B5E.3000304@gmail.com> <4951D01D07F742E0A87887B846DCB21C@workstation> <4B0B2EA8.4050300@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:08:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=hdat58agiKXuliBUM9Ipm-TP17cNripJ6kxIpQP958lJOrQj1vQf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the reciever is allowing me to hook a cox connection in my bedroomm and tune to channle 73 in the bedroom and control my reciever out in the living room via rm remote there is also a little antanna on the back of the box my reciever is a vip722 if that helsp any ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? Hank Smith wrote: > okay > how is it doing it though> Coax Cable going from the TV 2 Out to the TV. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Nov 23 18:22:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73011 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 02:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 02:22:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 02:22:15 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so1156168qwb.57 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:21:14 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.81.81 with SMTP id w17mr2882145qak.382.1259029274587; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:21:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.34.205? (dialup-4.154.34.205.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.205]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm3930782qyk.8.2009.11.23.18.21.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:21:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B0B4304.1080707@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:20:52 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> <4B0A062A.3090201@gmail.com> <44391A95FE2B4C90B64E1752C3AD59B8@workstation> <4B0AA27D.4070902@gmail.com> <703CB622A52B437794ECAF640E267178@workstation> <4B0B023B.5050000@gmail.com> <3A7004145F90444BA741EF832A084CA5@workstation> <4B0B0B5E.3000304@gmail.com> <4951D01D07F742E0A87887B846DCB21C@workstation> <4B0B2EA8.4050300@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=BWtdMcP_AdS0YHw5tI4TyQUSU5vsiwKYJkhNJIN6_2f1DvWbcj3tfEduPt6yBw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Hank Smith wrote: > the reciever is allowing me to hook a cox connection in my bedroomm and tune to channle 73 > in the bedroom and control my reciever out in the living room via rm remote > there is also a little antanna on the back of the box The little antenna is for the Remote on TV 2. It does not transmit anything. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Nov 23 18:34:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12762 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 02:34:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 02:34:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 02:34:29 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.202] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091123203352001957400011.0) with SMTP id <20091123203352001957400011> for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:33:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00c201ca6cae$c24b3b20$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:33:52 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=PrFN2By2Ebwoh56CjTcacOuEANmFlwrmPksaFZ1ACI0Ty_nDslfH X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem is much deeper than even what you describe. It was decades ago the FCC was charged with raising some of its own operating budget, and much of that now comes from spectrum auctions. Much of the upper end of the UHF spectrum wasn't being utilized all that heavily and other interests needed spectrum for new services, and some of it is going to public service usage. It was the TV broadcasters themselves who wanted this new digital system because it enabled them to put more programming into the same amount of bandwidth. The tradeoff was losing everything above channel 51. We've still got an analog LPTV on 62. No idea of when they need to shut that one down. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: AlfredoT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc QUOTE: "I believe this hole hd tv and hd radio was fcc designed fore corprate control." Indeed. The spectrum auctions of what once were UHF channels 52-69 were for exclusive, nationwide rights to transmit there. Only large companies, such as Google, Verizon, Microsoft, et al. could afford the nearly $1 billion pricetag of such licenses. Even though there is a lot of consolidation in television ownership, I would have much rather that television stations continue to use those frequencies. That way, at least a few of them in smaller markets might still be local mom & pop operations. To that, I have one legal suggestion: if you really don't want to see these companies get any larger thanks to the FCC don't buy services that use these frequencies. Don't use Media FLO (it is on what once was channel 55). --Alfredo --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 23 19:56:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43819 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 03:56:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 03:56:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f218.google.com) (209.85.217.218) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 03:56:29 -0000 X-Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so3459715gxk.3 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:56:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.121.17 with SMTP id y17mr7065150agm.27.1259034989318; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:56:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm38228yxg.10.2009.11.23.19.56.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:56:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38DF60BE44804C3A92B0EC980D18F911@workstation> To: References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> <4B0A062A.3090201@gmail.com> <44391A95FE2B4C90B64E1752C3AD59B8@workstation> <4B0AA27D.4070902@gmail.com> <703CB622A52B437794ECAF640E267178@workstation> <4B0B023B.5050000@gmail.com> <3A7004145F90444BA741EF832A084CA5@workstation> <4B0B0B5E.3000304@gmail.com> <4951D01D07F742E0A87887B846DCB21C@workstation> <4B0B2EA8.4050300@gmail.com> <4B0B4304.1080707@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:56:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=z3xzlGx_okssoKyy8NmViLMQNZm9ICVVbMAJ1-VPzt_Z0NRNGNLa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit so what is transmiting the rf signal in to the bedroom? thankdoes the reciever have a amp in it or something?s Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 7:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? Hank Smith wrote: > the reciever is allowing me to hook a cox connection in my bedroomm and tune to channle 73 > in the bedroom and control my reciever out in the living room via rm remote > there is also a little antanna on the back of the box The little antenna is for the Remote on TV 2. It does not transmit anything. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 23 19:59:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42499 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 03:59:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 03:59:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f226.google.com) (209.85.217.226) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 03:59:13 -0000 X-Received: by gxk26 with SMTP id 26so6064610gxk.1 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:58:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.41.17 with SMTP id o17mr7589053ago.35.1259035131185; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:58:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm2214869yxe.38.2009.11.23.19.58.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:58:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8120A433184E466DA74D1062EB99ED83@workstation> To: References: <00c201ca6cae$c24b3b20$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:58:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Hank Smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=oxo3ZC_kD0bsPhmRWQaY8_r-PiJQ8XEpGA4gtSR-SwK6Sj6zwEyv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there probably isn't a shut off date out of curiousity what is on that signagl? also where can I find out what lps are still left in my markit? tucson az market Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc The problem is much deeper than even what you describe. It was decades ago the FCC was charged with raising some of its own operating budget, and much of that now comes from spectrum auctions. Much of the upper end of the UHF spectrum wasn't being utilized all that heavily and other interests needed spectrum for new services, and some of it is going to public service usage. It was the TV broadcasters themselves who wanted this new digital system because it enabled them to put more programming into the same amount of bandwidth. The tradeoff was losing everything above channel 51. We've still got an analog LPTV on 62. No idea of when they need to shut that one down. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: AlfredoT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc QUOTE: "I believe this hole hd tv and hd radio was fcc designed fore corprate control." Indeed. The spectrum auctions of what once were UHF channels 52-69 were for exclusive, nationwide rights to transmit there. Only large companies, such as Google, Verizon, Microsoft, et al. could afford the nearly $1 billion pricetag of such licenses. Even though there is a lot of consolidation in television ownership, I would have much rather that television stations continue to use those frequencies. That way, at least a few of them in smaller markets might still be local mom & pop operations. To that, I have one legal suggestion: if you really don't want to see these companies get any larger thanks to the FCC don't buy services that use these frequencies. Don't use Media FLO (it is on what once was channel 55). --Alfredo --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 24 00:29:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77222 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 08:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 08:29:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 08:29:17 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so1214058qwb.29 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:29:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.63.219 with SMTP id c27mr3024105qai.168.1259051356944; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:29:16 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.34.183? (dialup-4.154.34.183.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm14574628qwg.18.2009.11.24.00.28.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:29:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B0B98E2.2020607@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:27:14 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4B09D079.3080802@gmail.com> <4B09EFAD.6020902@gmail.com> <4B0A062A.3090201@gmail.com> <44391A95FE2B4C90B64E1752C3AD59B8@workstation> <4B0AA27D.4070902@gmail.com> <703CB622A52B437794ECAF640E267178@workstation> <4B0B023B.5050000@gmail.com> <3A7004145F90444BA741EF832A084CA5@workstation> <4B0B0B5E.3000304@gmail.com> <4951D01D07F742E0A87887B846DCB21C@workstation> <4B0B2EA8.4050300@gmail.com> <4B0B4304.1080707@gmail.com> <38DF60BE44804C3A92B0EC980D18F911@workstation> In-Reply-To: <38DF60BE44804C3A92B0EC980D18F911@workstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=bDwtvigwWT1IHgddKjA8sNA1HiasDIMrGGXbr6pZQXJXx6c5rAZIenwUQqO4Ww X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Hank Smith wrote: > so what is transmiting the rf signal in to the bedroom? > The Dish receiver has a little Modulator in it that transmits the signal to the Second TV. The second TV uses an RF Remote, so it does not have to "See" the Dish box like infra red remotes do. > thankdoes the reciever have a amp in it or something? It just has a little modulator in it. It is just enough power to put a signal into the TV tuner when connected to the coaxial cable. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 24 00:39:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8047 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 08:39:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 08:39:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.25) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 08:39:06 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 8so1164919qwh.15 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:38:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.40.11 with SMTP id i11mr3047227qae.53.1259051886015; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:38:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.34.183? (dialup-4.154.34.183.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm4126171qyk.12.2009.11.24.00.37.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:38:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B0B9AF6.5020603@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:36:06 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.25 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=yH5OxidjlUVBkwaBHccgBIA4I-VQ0CQDk0M4gjgMKkRU5v2fJLRr5rcA_jN0MA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 AlfredoT wrote: > A few words of caution: the Part 15 rules never permitted the output of VCRs or cameras to be transmitted on frequencies that could be received by normal TVs. The Original VCR Rabbit did! It put your VCR on UHF TV! > It really would have been cool if wireless video cameras could have legally transmitted on regular UHF channels, so that switching between multiple cameras could have been done simply by turning the TV channel. Back around 2002, a friend of mine owned a Jewelry store and got these security cameras that did transmit on UHF TV. He could just use his remote to flip between 4 or 5 Cameras! he used regular old consumer VCRs in the SLP mode to record. He set the record times, so the whole night was recorded! I can see where these things could give the neighbor's kid quite a show! LOL -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Tue Nov 24 13:43:51 2009 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79485 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 21:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 21:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 21:43:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1259099018; bh=Dg5TWGmaDJFsmw4BnYuCZP+afzcHs+PFgsZ1aUwWVvI=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uWGCyMdX8hHcM8cxLCqS2aYkhDjaQh4iZLBsqit1PbErAddckn0Dk7P0zIQLWydjkiM+NBebzeTc0Ey8gAa9fBqxCWEvUSdmDTKu6ffGWmcqjSevL+ffqQ9C6vY9moIp Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2009 21:43:38 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2009 21:43:38 -0000 Date: 24 Nov 2009 21:43:37 -0000 Message-ID: <1259099017.15641.54825.w9@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /FALSE AM STEREO AIRCHECK.mp3 Uploaded by : jotape1960 Description : False AM Stereo Air Check You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/FALSE%20AM%20STEREO%20AIRCHECK.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles Regards, jotape1960 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Nov 24 13:51:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74847 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 21:51:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 21:51:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 21:51:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2009 21:51:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2009 21:51:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:51:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.238.79 From: "jotape1960" Subject: False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=pOKanb4CHnVpVmjmysKUmRvAZpzR43RGPDE2ctJd_fZaFnOuVw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Hours ago I got a supposed AM Stereo signal in my Philips DC888 AM Stereo T= uner. I know it isn't a real AM Stereo signal because it is a chilean stati= on and there is not any AM Stereo station in my beautiful country (hehehehe= ). So, it is a false AM Stereo due to... who knows why!!! You can hear a 30 seconds sample of this signal at the Files Menu of this f= orum. It is called: "False AM Stereo Air Check.mp3" The interesting thing to me is the background noise. As you can hear, the n= oise is very different in the left and right sides (channels). So, I wonder= if it is a normal behaviour with a C-QUAM AM Stereo tuner? or Is it an ISB= AM Stereo tuner? Any idea, please let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Nov 24 15:26:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69503 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 23:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 23:26:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f227.google.com) (209.85.217.227) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 23:26:17 -0000 X-Received: by gxk27 with SMTP id 27so6992938gxk.7 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:26:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.18.33 with SMTP id 33mr4934823agr.113.1259105162870; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:26:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm142476yxg.24.2009.11.24.15.26.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:26:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <836362C252FB49F8898BBCEEFFB64F1E@workstation> To: References: <4B0B9AF6.5020603@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:25:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=-Ke4Uq4RRuYJPDU78dSmCf4EdLdp8vByK9N5wZHLGM1AnWqzsEGb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can I get the url of the 2 radio shack amiplifieers that were posted earlier? ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? AlfredoT wrote: > A few words of caution: the Part 15 rules never permitted the output of VCRs or cameras to be transmitted on frequencies that could be received by normal TVs. The Original VCR Rabbit did! It put your VCR on UHF TV! > It really would have been cool if wireless video cameras could have legally transmitted on regular UHF channels, so that switching between multiple cameras could have been done simply by turning the TV channel. Back around 2002, a friend of mine owned a Jewelry store and got these security cameras that did transmit on UHF TV. He could just use his remote to flip between 4 or 5 Cameras! he used regular old consumer VCRs in the SLP mode to record. He set the record times, so the whole night was recorded! I can see where these things could give the neighbor's kid quite a show! LOL -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Nov 24 15:53:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57530 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2009 23:53:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2009 23:53:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f174.google.com) (209.85.221.174) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2009 23:53:32 -0000 X-Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so2201629qyk.7 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:53:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.79.3 with SMTP id n3mr3590885qak.207.1259106811814; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:53:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.34.51? (dialup-4.154.34.51.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.51]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm313313qyk.15.2009.11.24.15.53.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:53:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B0C71DF.7060801@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:53:03 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4B0B9AF6.5020603@gmail.com> <836362C252FB49F8898BBCEEFFB64F1E@workstation> In-Reply-To: <836362C252FB49F8898BBCEEFFB64F1E@workstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=RYXiV9_qrMyI9rrrLDWfY9Tcg4jZ9KUb14DeCUOxGXqR25SvcBg3La79NZ3dWA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > can I get the url of the 2 radio shack amiplifieers that were posted earlier? > I only posted one: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3374890 -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Nov 24 16:10:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85745 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2009 00:10:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2009 00:10:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f183.google.com) (209.85.211.183) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2009 00:10:23 -0000 X-Received: by ywh13 with SMTP id 13so7713691ywh.29 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:10:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.18.13 with SMTP id v13mr169563agi.28.1259107809438; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:10:09 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 35sm2623481yxh.33.2009.11.24.16.10.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:10:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:10:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.183 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Azk7Vl2msd2o-JgucudlnKljG7h9i9EbooEg0bY3JQ8Zc7IB0p3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can you send it via email attachment ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:51 PM Subject: {AMSF} False AM Stereo Air Check =20=20=20=20 Hi Gang!!! Hours ago I got a supposed AM Stereo signal in my Philips DC888 AM Stereo= Tuner. I know it isn't a real AM Stereo signal because it is a chilean sta= tion and there is not any AM Stereo station in my beautiful country (hehehe= he). So, it is a false AM Stereo due to... who knows why!!! You can hear a 30 seconds sample of this signal at the Files Menu of this= forum. It is called: "False AM Stereo Air Check.mp3" The interesting thing to me is the background noise. As you can hear, the= noise is very different in the left and right sides (channels). So, I wond= er if it is a normal behaviour with a C-QUAM AM Stereo tuner? or Is it an I= SB AM Stereo tuner? Any idea, please let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Nov 24 16:22:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84536 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2009 00:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2009 00:22:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f182.google.com) (209.85.210.182) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2009 00:22:36 -0000 X-Received: by yxe12 with SMTP id 12so4489589yxe.1 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:21:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.38.9 with SMTP id l9mr3966693agl.31.1259108480608; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:21:20 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm440333yxd.17.2009.11.24.16.21.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:21:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <83647A2FE6AD4403A20F076B971B4C9C@workstation> To: References: <4B0B9AF6.5020603@gmail.com> <836362C252FB49F8898BBCEEFFB64F1E@workstation> <4B0C71DF.7060801@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:21:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=ZLJRPwbeUuAOhjeyZqsakj9HZqRefupCpqu5DGlcKiFHqP58wDKy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? hank smith wrote: > can I get the url of the 2 radio shack amiplifieers that were posted earlier? > I only posted one: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3374890 -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Nov 24 17:19:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23346 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2009 01:19:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2009 01:19:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2009 01:19:38 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.56] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091124191913000282000010.0) with SMTP id <20091124191913000282000010> for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:19:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009201ca6d6d$81248ec0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <00c201ca6cae$c24b3b20$d503fea9@stodd> <8120A433184E466DA74D1062EB99ED83@workstation> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:19:13 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=IiQ7hTSw6JEJFt29wqVKb04oio6OiKHL3MmUcxphIaqA7k9DD3iI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit U 62 here is Daystar- similar to TBN. As for vacant frequencies try www.tvfool.com. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Hank Smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:59 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: rant am sick of the fcc there probably isn't a shut off date out of curiousity what is on that signagl? also where can I find out what lps are still left in my markit? tucson az market Hank --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Nov 24 18:43:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72866 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2009 02:42:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2009 02:42:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2009 02:42:45 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nAP2gjCA013860 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:42:45 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c32.657d51bd (65100) for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:42:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:42:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=mAu9waEk_leJoO0iNmLDbwfHRAFic3yMCFf9c625HtiATGpPU8S-dBOERoLTQFKf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I asked that question once before as there are stations here exibiting the same phenonemon. As I recall, the answer was that some stations send out the pilot because it triggers the receiver to increase its bandwidth making even mono sound better. The other possibility is two co-channel stations that are 25 hertz different in frequency. The "beat" could produce a low level 25 hertz phase modulated tone. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Nov 24 19:31:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12740 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2009 03:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2009 03:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f171.google.com) (209.85.210.171) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2009 03:31:55 -0000 X-Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so6452147yxe.3 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:31:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.16.14 with SMTP id 14mr4233629agp.102.1259119911250; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:31:51 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (71-32-47-24.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.47.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm244615yxb.25.2009.11.24.19.31.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:31:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7A317EF217404A909E26459CA237697A@workstation> To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:31:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=SIpIdxsrmAymfL237YZYOh6Tj9THiAz4ulBU0KbLmE0dgTnFxmSF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can you send me the mp3 file? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} False AM Stereo Air Check I asked that question once before as there are stations here exibiting the same phenonemon. As I recall, the answer was that some stations send out the pilot because it triggers the receiver to increase its bandwidth making even mono sound better. The other possibility is two co-channel stations that are 25 hertz different in frequency. The "beat" could produce a low level 25 hertz phase modulated tone. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Nov 25 09:53:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62689 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2009 17:52:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2009 17:52:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.87) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2009 17:52:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 6075 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Nov 2009 17:52:08 -0000 Message-ID: <618850.4694.qm@web112009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PUCfVIoVM1ngF0VFkR8r4UGRLrZl5mLI6O4GPz5dpgjpzxYEaweMWTrHnzjFOLqfFLx9AeFkOSfPprUwMr2y5epGpHX.7ofJnKw5xDca3rjLPPUa8dX2wW3UG_cKNNyPf1Ij2ONW6CFThiQbpDcbc9XGhvwhliP54MhnvvGQV3ZpDc64gwKSs3KxXuGY6TXDrkCewhrvDjKQUApJX9WGBn4f0W862KXJ1as5OOu_QChcxOsk5DaTXO4K7tEoZXg_c6Pgv.hPmxDcbrGe4JNUW0ksALbOqDxM7thqJ3cpe674JkbwI5Api6o_pCSckpOGZwAczeIRZGlD1hGeGS_cMI0u.RM2a3RNe5hvQAZ8K4pS4MfPzMOavu76x357R.RktUlB1CN7SWDPdt9NeY61cRra.w-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:52:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:52:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: w4opw@yahoo.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=26UthhuONFpq_VJo2rzCGdeJQTxnCS4_U2ac3Ioupxg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW I get the AM stereo light on WKDK (1240) as I get out about 8 miles. Someon= e is off frequency is enough to cause the AM stereo to light. On the 2000 T= aurus you have to have lots of signal from a REAL AM stereo station and NO = it does NOT open the bandwith up unfortunately.=20=20 Powell NNNN=20=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net --- On Tue, 11/24/09, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > From: mjgrant@aol.com >=20 > The other possibility is two co-channel stations that are > 25 hertz=20 > different in frequency.=A0 The "beat" could produce a > low level 25 hertz phase=20 > modulated tone. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Nov 26 10:15:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95339 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2009 18:15:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2009 18:15:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 18:15:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2009 18:14:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2009 18:14:46 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:14:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.204 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=zK7hRGgzX6QruBFNEeIMYp6QZw8j6y-zM6LSb6Pqy_0bz5obag X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 In this case, it isn't a pilot from the station, because the AM Stereo ligh= t was on only by a few minutes. I guess it was your second idea (co-channel= ). By the way, in my Philips DC888 we can choice to use wide or narrow audio b= andwidth, with a manual button, independently if we get an AM Stereo signal= . I mean, when the AM Stereo light is on, we can choice between the wide or= narrow bandwidth even in Stereo mode (however, I don't have got a notoriou= s increase of the S/N ratio if we use the narrow mode). About the IF Filters, I got the webpage from muRata and they still make a l= ot of filters, the problem is they don't buy it directly to us (the minimal= quantity is 450 items). They offer IF filters with 7.5, 10, 12, 15 and 17.= 5 kHz bandwidth. I wonder which is better and if it is the only one element= to "change" to get real Hi-Fi from an standard AM tuner. ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > I asked that question once before as there are stations here exibiting th= e=20 > same phenonemon. As I recall, the answer was that some stations send out= =20 > the pilot because it triggers the receiver to increase its bandwidth maki= ng=20 > even mono sound better. >=20 > The other possibility is two co-channel stations that are 25 hertz=20 > different in frequency. The "beat" could produce a low level 25 hertz ph= ase=20 > modulated tone. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Nov 26 12:23:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16684 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2009 20:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2009 20:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s38.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.241) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2009 20:21:36 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W53 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s38.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:21:36 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:21:36 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2009 20:21:36.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D733070:01CA6ED6] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.241 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: Thanksgiving Greetings X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=p6bDvyMe-wd10P04yJIfzjbg55hA-QcWIMQpWhKWW0_cjQj8YzPd X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to wish this entire forum the Happiest of Holiday greetings!! May this Thanksgiving be your best ever!! 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In the p= roclamation, Washington wrote: "Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Alm= ighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to= implore his protection and favor. "Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November = next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that gre= at and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that wa= s, that is, or that will be--That we may then all unite in rendering unto h= im our sincere and humble thanks--for his kind care and protection of the P= eople of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation--for the signal a= nd manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence whi= ch we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war--for the gre= at degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed--f= or the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to esta= blish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particu= larly the national One now lately instituted--for the civil and religious l= iberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and=20 diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various fa= vors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us. "And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and su= pplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardo= n our national and other transgressions--to enable us all, whether in publi= c or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly = and punctually--to render our national government a blessing to all the peo= ple, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional law= s, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed=97to protect and guide all= Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us) an= d to bless them with good government, peace, and concord--To promote the kn= owledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of scien= ce among them and us--and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree= of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best." Presidents ever since have likewise issued proclamations of thanksgiving ex= horting the American people to humbly acknowledge the protection and blessi= ng of Heaven upon our land. It is particularly appropriate that they would = do this. After all, we Americans--of all people--have sufficient reason to = give corporate thanks to Almighty God, as our Christian forebears founded t= his land for the express purpose of seeking religious liberty. The history of the world's nations is largely the story of one despot being= replaced with another. Throughout the annals of human history, the story o= f human government is that of the rise and fall of one empire after another= ; one king or potentate after another. One dictatorship being replaced with= another dictatorship. One form of monarchy replacing another form of monar= chy. Some were kinder than others. Some were benevolent. Some were harsh. A= nd some were downright cruel. But until July 4, 1776, there was no such thi= ng as a nation founded on self-government, federalism, and religious libert= y. In the human sense, America became to Christians what Canaan was to Old Tes= tament Israel. In America, believers could live at peace with both their so= ciety and their government. They no longer had to choose between obeying th= eir God and obeying their king. In America, there was no king. In America, = men could truly render unto God that which was God's, as Caesar did not dem= and for himself that which was God's alone. Men no longer had to violate t= heir conscience in order to stay out of jail. Believers were no longer requ= ired to worship at the altar of the State or the State Church. In America, = men could live free. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: AM Stereo Subject: {AMSF} Thanksgiving Greetings Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:21:36 -0500 I would like to wish this entire forum the Happiest of Holiday greetings!! = May this Thanksgiving be your best ever!! =20 MTGC (Michael) =20 From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Nov 29 21:37:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69535 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2009 05:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2009 05:36:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f215.google.com) (209.85.217.215) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2009 05:36:57 -0000 X-Received: by gxk7 with SMTP id 7so3886158gxk.12 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:36:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.13.39 with SMTP id 39mr5937143agm.53.1259559416345; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:36:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from cwrn (97-115-192-223.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.192.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm1891145yxb.43.2009.11.29.21.36.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:36:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004101ca717f$1f4b1500$04000100@cwrn> To: Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:36:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.215 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Fw: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=2GZWkCVQL41WzDsHFLhsFaost4sMgGIEEyZAyIRjcbPj4x-9C6e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regards Hank Smith UKTV2C LTD WWW.UKTV2C.COM ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:33 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? there was also one that some one gave to a powerfull one can I get that one to? Regards Hank Smith UKTV2C LTD WWW.UKTV2C.COM ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:53 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} fcc tool to find analog channels that are not being used in area? hank smith wrote: > can I get the url of the 2 radio shack amiplifieers that were posted earlier? > I only posted one: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3374890 -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Nov 30 15:05:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89083 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2009 23:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2009 23:05:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.226) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2009 23:05:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13949 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2009 23:05:12 -0000 Message-ID: <562267.13942.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: .cpWyB0VM1ktaNEGmZmrbH.vMFmaEhRQbBFJwMIkZstPLxvrD_qkdPBGbyWztfmZ.ECSMUDBd5eLqbFm2uqxs4O_Kk8_uOLkWjsJ9.MpKzD0u0eFnz2zdgGRNUUjhL.Zc3E7MhzIVLqZmIWsTuWyvqBpRVTmxx1xsAYBMNeE9O3WK9LF.OraHOcfTPFwmf8yv7j.SB5RP5_EpdgHxMmUd8LAnIH02_o7TwVqYbNH00xF5lQjzmpa1QjMm6ziThwM37xvWtQtmmzTR..mmrhljS8ymQzeTPqpyZFwMfol7lPjZ_TsJ1vavRSFBAUcde4S.aJWrVVO_67UBPVsR2G9Pxw8sieIUhxeh88fKd80pLy5ilLC7nVr63Fny0Km8YfBLxx_GB4WiJ2ka_FSgXogZrQOQHW8WRmwsEaUqNapMq8EfmT2fU01kwAwfg-- X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:05:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:05:12 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF , ABDX MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: ADD an A.M. Stereo station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=7lXhzU4IB2pKegI6CMVYp01xt63igftSzWqDnyRf3eo6Ue9_gQlh X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From pix on www.necrat.us, it appears 1230/WXNI-Westerly, R.I. is broadcast= ing in A.M. Stereo using a 9100A processor.=A0 In a couple of weeks I'll be= heading down that way & will bring my SRF-51AX to hear it.=A0 This ADDS Rh= ode Island back to the states with A.M. Stereo stations! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 30 18:39:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28896 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2009 02:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2009 02:39:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f175.google.com) (209.85.210.175) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 02:39:41 -0000 X-Received: by yxe5 with SMTP id 5so4141100yxe.24 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:39:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.164.17 with SMTP id r17mr7492580ago.92.1259635140191; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:39:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from cwrn (97-115-192-223.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.192.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm2342754yxh.40.2009.11.30.18.38.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:38:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <060501ca722f$6f2251f0$4600a8c0@cwrn> To: Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:38:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: did my email come threw? 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Hank --- web sites and contact info: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Nov 30 19:46:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61332 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2009 03:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2009 03:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f178.google.com) (209.85.210.178) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 03:46:55 -0000 X-Received: by yxe8 with SMTP id 8so3532123yxe.17 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:46:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.215.9 with SMTP id n9mr7579666agg.98.1259639209353; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:46:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from cwrn (97-115-192-223.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.192.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2361197yxg.14.2009.11.30.19.46.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:46:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <04d001ca7238$e84520e0$4600a8c0@cwrn> To: References: <562267.13942.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:46:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ADD an A.M. Stereo station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=fdbWGs9DJBG4HD5lJ7RtPtJmeRQCd4d9hmyrlZo2CB3fPUSqc87c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what other states in the us have am stereo left? I sure wish tucson did --- web sites and contact info: ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: AMSF ; ABDX Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} ADD an A.M. Stereo station From pix on www.necrat.us, it appears 1230/WXNI-Westerly, R.I. is broadcasting in A.M. Stereo using a 9100A processor. In a couple of weeks I'll be heading down that way & will bring my SRF-51AX to hear it. This ADDS Rhode Island back to the states with A.M. Stereo stations! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Mon Nov 30 20:23:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17321 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2009 04:23:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2009 04:23:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 04:23:32 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([96.20.109.30]) by VL-MO-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KTY00JWWHIPHRD0@VL-MO-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:23:15 -0500 (EST) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <562267.13942.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <04d001ca7238$e84520e0$4600a8c0@cwrn> In-reply-to: <04d001ca7238$e84520e0$4600a8c0@cwrn> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:23:13 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} ADD an A.M. Stereo station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=xyjG_3A7soaziTZ088sawp5l3IMmmWkAf8Kby43GUSUEWrOm8EemPB4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is WICC-600 in Stereo ? What about KJCC-1630 (one that I can`t get lacking a good AM Stereo tuner tuning above 1620) ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} ADD an A.M. Stereo station what other states in the us have am stereo left? I sure wish tucson did --- web sites and contact info: ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: AMSF ; ABDX Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} ADD an A.M. Stereo station From pix on www.necrat.us, it appears 1230/WXNI-Westerly, R.I. is broadcasting in A.M. Stereo using a 9100A processor. In a couple of weeks I'll be heading down that way & will bring my SRF-51AX to hear it. This ADDS Rhode Island back to the states with A.M. Stereo stations! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Dec 01 03:36:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84043 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2009 11:35:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2009 11:35:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.227) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2009 11:35:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13616 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2009 11:35:03 -0000 Message-ID: <609424.12824.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: z3Jq0SIVM1nDOPX32N7kxuW6xluKOLQa8H.yfbNHIx_7zztXdvWoxhFXWnuCVzfsSNt47PPnA9k6Kg564q3cnj0Biw66JtfHHP_q4yNjXDF6u9qCps0L_F8TCOgEOpsWRBbF6t3TOy8nY0zkfb02q9CwtRq21z80Tk73yfIzrVZZ3SSTACRbnlbxB72PsM0OIK0v2u3ZuQYBpqPKbVtR3sguOkHIjpFEs.t5H7abuCPc3rzTtRoovNv8BN3.9KNdy1KK7oLAt6T4roq0Da4dICQyxqOyKOpU6rZgmEJwaEMjXWVFEnvkhpPBpKevVOLDla7hO5t5CWgFyYwV3TdldGpdYYYvG2kiUQtkURqGt91.GcYpvkY_IrGEzOl.i7Gi25ILrBGPjBhGbZiysMAAHGCKKHOn6yG2fq8aPI9w4vroTmrAvQpHqEHg7RSKSM0aQNiVVDO99nPWConEQgccURA6tfGfpdMqBDaD4c6L2s.ChT_Lmu9OdZF1YtYgrRUe7.djJZJaMVZC1MG8Dxd9m9l.Edni_RaIM0WBkHooN1u_WJwj_7k5k4MBCtZ4Su3KNGuZsvW8u26FgtJt59WywsuInaimUYLnH1kGRGnVhh3YgJTvtzATVgYUkK_UIvkPS13Dq3181xjOZgOUMyEiyThY1inxELBaWmLHJF6gqJuIClMYmL1yVZ_iVoSBloclyQwdRuxdmgVtO5wh750wifQ3O6DFft347YMw30uxeD4oPa7FVaImsTskRDxld1rIJd1zR4YCqO5W.6TEmFg5sAgrW.tpuJhTzKsDE6S0VxfPmZmOKYbgPoQAx6gS3NMVMXq8UAlAg6HIuuZ_5KdB0HBbBvcoSn02L245zjoPQAz8YMEqnjB2yB47Su306mPadiBrFNsUgJdeMk3iDYLOvMyi98JfrKQDzN4FSTMllZd_EWhXqPOOswvTmXiycbwc1mCpK9LdWNyTMkkoKlP02EwmRBmRw_xguCU5NMF_xKH3GL7VSS7CdCDorCWARcJDyMUZ1CaxcFExXx1Fe6vzbGbgtKb85Z2DGbrFvCbXP4V2IfuSsi.dXYaKP05o7cAoqB2evjRjP6IiLeIjHBGmrK3YQXgloCqCGGhxEI6ndeGBhiXybk1XgmlQnpUuKVpLL20cTFGrTcPkCiY9DDrTKmyMvBBWbvVnQk0pCuBdn830BEPak3P6XG4MliMrV9sGY1wnHuCmK_9sc_uUyVcM3txH2WEQN5rpaMwLfr_D6JZVKwsoql2pjQcI7xW2eY3RZJ3tOpiyW2wSYNcnxfZa5E6nHw-- X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:35:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 03:35:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} ADD an A.M. Stereo station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=bpNIL-uNi-iPwcnpo4LE7nwjdYIVSgcqDl79z4askhL2D3a4q22V X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The last I knew they were but I would have to tune in to WICC the next time= I head to New York City which may not be for awhile yet. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Mon, 11/30/09, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} ADD an A.M. Stereo station To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 11:23 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Is WICC-600 in Stereo ? What about KJCC-1630 (one that I can`t get la= cking a good AM Stereo tuner tuning above 1620) ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: hank smith=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} ADD an A.M. Stereo station what other states in the us have am stereo left? I sure wish tucson did --- web sites and contact info: ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: AMSF ; ABDX=20 Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} ADD an A.M. Stereo station From pix on www.necrat.us, it appears 1230/WXNI-Westerly, R.I. is broadcast= ing in A.M. Stereo using a 9100A processor. In a couple of weeks I'll be he= ading down that way & will bring my SRF-51AX to hear it. This ADDS Rhode Is= land back to the states with A.M. Stereo stations! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Dec 03 17:34:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5474 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 01:34:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2009 01:34:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 01:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.204] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091203193349001826900010.0) with SMTP id <20091203193349001826900010> for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:33:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004701ca7482$166b9440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <562267.13942.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <04d001ca7238$e84520e0$4600a8c0@cwrn> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:33:49 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} ADD an A.M. Stereo station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=HT7quj4ssa1SwOviOOEIcrZXsk452AxoNJm7YdgGxsYNqjZmx9vA X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's KCJJ, and AFAIK they still are, though they don't play music all the time. The afternoon is pretty much wasted with the Mike O'Meara Show out of DC. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Mirela Chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Is WICC-600 in Stereo ? What about KJCC-1630 (one that I can`t get lacking a good AM Stereo tuner tuning above 1620) ? May the good DX be with you ! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Thu Dec 03 18:55:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37677 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2009 02:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2009 02:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2009 02:55:45 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KU300AY0XAJ1W50@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:52:00 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <001a01ca748c$bd5750a0$6700a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <562267.13942.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <04d001ca7238$e84520e0$4600a8c0@cwrn> <004701ca7482$166b9440$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:51:55 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} ADD an A.M. Stereo station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=Q4gqkh6SDp8WXD59RilnaCiiHs3R37g-K73FMK991gWkXKHCH5UNNAA X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks a lot for your reply ! I will try to get KCJJ as soon as I put my hands on an X-band AM Stereo tuner... However, I have one last question: is WICC in Bridgeport, CT still in stereo ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu That's KCJJ, and AFAIK they still are, though they don't play music all the time. The afternoon is pretty much wasted with the Mike O'Meara Show out of DC. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Mirela Chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Is WICC-600 in Stereo ? What about KJCC-1630 (one that I can`t get lacking a good AM Stereo tuner tuning above 1620) ? May the good DX be with you ! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sat Dec 05 05:17:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77660 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2009 13:17:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2009 13:17:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2009 13:17:52 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MO-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KU60016LKXQDO20@VL-MO-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:17:51 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <002501ca75ad$58219bb0$6700a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <562267.13942.qm@web54002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <04d001ca7238$e84520e0$4600a8c0@cwrn> <004701ca7482$166b9440$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:17:50 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} ADD an A.M. Stereo station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=eWQYdblyuTCRKwSZcvxE8SR5HXTt0hhIEHYxvFB9j5Ld5kX8eJOZKr8 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IS WICC in Stereo ? I talk about the Connecticut's best known AM Stereo leader ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From sub83@shortwavelog.com Sun Dec 06 05:42:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: sub83@shortwavelog.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48221 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2009 13:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2009 13:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2009 13:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2009 13:41:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2009 13:41:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:41:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 96.254.0.48 From: "sillett" Subject: AM Stereo Transmitters on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=346563316; y=YPA3WDCIXTamyaDt5KiKijOyz-GI2l_gHZJFoUt6uDWgtg X-Yahoo-Profile: sillett Chris Cuff has made several AM Stereo transmitters and has them for sale on= eBay.=20=20 http://preview.tinyurl.com/yfl3blq I bought an "Alfredo Lite" transmitter from Mr. Cuff about 10 years ago, an= d I can attest to the quality of the workmanship and his great service. I = also bought one of these new, improved models! If you've ever thought about setting up a little C-QUAM station to broadcas= t around your house, this transmitter is ideal for Part 15 or Carrier Curre= nt.=20=20 Bob Sillett, N3OEA From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 07 06:40:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89447 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 14:40:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2009 14:40:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 14:40:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73138 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2009 14:40:08 -0000 Message-ID: <9458.42049.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Uv.c_PwVM1nWs8hcsPOqs_1eSCM_nQYlAlEjgJtVWom_.eZY2Bg53AGjZwThWEA1LLhwn1skpuAVSgmDWdZ6Od692_w.HX6OLMbGeN8qRC.1slyZbt8M_ilbPfDeUvnWcD7a4DT_GX_f4aaW7DaPCDp7EmfMgWTMFcEQXRmLIGAqNGuv9AwOG20zaw6eP2VI2n9AIc3Sj2u.1pFjH7twltvX2TVlLg.iItjaZ3_sLDms8QpzNPwGxeAPTaV4ghoXu0AoYEcXyyq2VCDjkVnKiyM0AFO4Gli4sA4i5IKLPup7SISwSQenVJc.FpUARJ2j6g5Z8vk- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:40:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 06:40:07 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=3UscsU2aFQWOAxk1kSZpqeuY82DIoIgxrmV5EdIFVduAu0mv4NNx408 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Wow, looks like Chris made even more improvements over my 2nd generation A.L. unit. Any idea what all was added? From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Dec 07 15:03:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9299 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2009 23:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2009 23:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2009 23:03:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86388 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2009 23:03:30 -0000 Message-ID: <872268.86192.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6qwQeWMVM1n4I0AjD7x6RIl_Vx.ZmwERVDAmGGk6VQig79mnsOHNqFdP.iIkKd26zVJlzx2gxUqO2eq7P7R1eCdOoeSNN7UsvkrAS8zk5egqgpMBqVpXQyw9ivaeIQ8JVidQ_kRnO1D_Jm4kf7Wl27GAvO_I9rKdJm_iiWsDc7n1ws5Rc3dwaVVTigaroHNFqIrxB_FKCDQSflgU_KhVpR0fMMvCwv26ztgM6E8WSw_mS8mKE7.bxRQIZ4t24rvjtzHY3NwaGiDvfQixCnVSKa_63urelfT9x5pkIRRc_HlDKBSkQdCCoX__oLA0Se5uKqu03z1987D4T7T.vBS01KkMxNLoo.uZYsJwd2j_DhjUfqbnZoG5qoPIbDDLIQuokXt_VN81G8t7qixBSKXd9ID8tnBFLE.Xhb.DknPAJ4wKJ9m3JJlTwwx6seuEn3AuJvtYJZtncTY_q.AQXV9xmAhmhAQNHQBP517NOYypU0TJtW4PNxy5jb0og.du8ulj4JNYuv1nDu3tqycqjwtsrPS_LEaOO4_rmpcAW7EyUiy9EkNKyesLciUJTtuXanE0voT149Q8tPYOwW3XsYv45uI7oAtN6AzFbL2r9l0_._AJ6QXZAZSW7pl1x46X3qy_oUaidsWdwbIc36379FFzoc4UtNE4BFRltLWKz1qMb7u9DznfM2gbrCGRWXBZ1AwxWcITcIgH_F.20LLWo_d9Iu55.epabpaSGIDXq.hvSScoN7ryb0jJpaf.lFogIRUAC2x0t07VlEkv7xDcHFogC6LLgu2XONXnw2TVgy9W3C6TQsSOM7dMn7ztZpMtvh4qF_hpv_Fb7AAfZ5nQq5wp509B8db_kQivnafeMTVuEK.TuxR02fEjZzjwEs1nGOWAueSlwEUZzDxwn08.uhKGAj1ugD1OOmgoC_L4BH6XFPyGIVUNTn9gyuQeQT1sJvu2f2al_hFBZdFZuejOXPLdn3vC0lIg36ytrQHA.nDweySeLabtmMeJ0m9LlhUuPNxYafiWszqQ1DfSzS_VLSaYOHh_2.EKVRSzt.gGyaVKxDUX6c47y_omw7ELXtse._6gSsJIVNHCGzcvMoTBcElvRqyGWvhwAqI.5e3M621ZRen7Eb1KBrE55q5vmIOmWXfd4OElHjEaIomfhbbbOzbDvcW3fVYqxny8qGo_FCFhogIyNhY_QM8sHnlrqVGECUUN8P_y0JsjQRaDngfzNBf0ohEmY8.9mbJ0G1Cks2o3A0kMUQ-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:03:30 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:03:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <9458.42049.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=blXnFnbdAIJRUePRJXdA-0NvbjCcFY3C0cp5jF5r8_BcNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Uh, hopefully the LP filters between the f/4 and the rest of it. =C2=A0Mine= (late 90s) omitted these, fed square waves to the L-R and L+R modulators. = =C2=A0Had my signal show up at several places on the dial, but a tuned ante= nna fixed it pretty much.All in all, though, what a bargain! =C2=A0Good sou= nd, very wide bandwidth, and a well processed audio signal sounded AWESOME = through my SRF-A100.For just one portrait of Benjamin F., an improved model= ...how can you go wrong?I hope Chris sells out and makes a bunch more, and = sells out AGAIN!!!To paraphrase a few lines from "Alice's Restaurant", "and= if 50 people do it, they will know it's a movement!" =C2=A0God bless the i= ndependent broadcasters! =C2=A0May the entire land be dotted with towers fl= ying the jolly roger!G=C2=A0 --- On Mon, 12/7/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 9:40 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Wow, looks like Chris made even more improvements over my 2nd generat= ion A.L. unit. Any idea what all was added? =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Dec 07 18:04:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22293 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2009 02:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2009 02:04:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2009 02:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB824K5J019726 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:04:21 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.ca6.55492395 (29673) for ; Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:04:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:04:18 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=kKDMQgRCvquCoaUNlAJrT19o3BjqFRuP532TvxCwgHT8WVrqoc9YKPeDetRTEemF X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/7/2009 8:41:22 AM Central Standard Time, toledohamradio@yahoo.com writes: > Wow, looks like Chris made even more improvements over my 2nd generation > A.L. unit. Any idea what all was added? > No idea. I imagine he needed to update the parts as many have fallen 50 cent garden variety parts to $10 replacement part status. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Dec 09 08:30:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77349 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2009 16:30:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2009 16:30:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2009 16:30:41 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFT9WB9ALEAY4S for (sender ); Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:28:47 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD/v9E9Ay95fOl945RL6oTPY= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PZCTC3SZ; Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:28:07 PST X-Received: from [68.127.74.98] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:26:50 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:26:50 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20091209.082650.15344.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 X-UNTD-BodySize: 98 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:1876968678 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: WFRM, (600) sold for $200k X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=w1wB6933MKpjPNe8ufCmaP1bQ8FHB3IjwxNLEu9XIg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn WFRM, Coudersport, PA (600) has been sold for $200k. David and Cathy Lent a= re the buyers.=20 From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Thu Dec 10 12:41:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88552 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2009 20:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2009 20:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2009 20:41:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2009 20:41:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2009 20:41:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:41:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=Ffu6vlcxeHHirV2VLT-w8x8RzXDyqsfryVArODNEgQNrJwJwr1XtOQB0 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon As was mentioned elsewhere on this thread, a co-channel station that is sli= ghtly-off frequency can cause the receiver's pilot detector to false trigge= r. I have heard this phenomenon on KOMO (1000 kHz), and for a while, it fo= oled me into thinking that they were transmitting the pilot tone. What is somewhat peculiar is that the signal in the aircheck you posted sou= nds pretty stable, as if it were being received via groundwave. I hear the= electrical noise in the background, but I don't hear any co-channel statio= ns. It is possible that this is a station with a C-QUAM capable transmitte= r, but they are feeding it with monophonic audio. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Hours ago I got a supposed AM Stereo signal in my Philips DC888 AM=20 > Stereo Tuner. I know it isn't a real AM Stereo signal because it is a=20 > chilean station and there is not any AM Stereo station in my=20 > beautiful country (hehehehe). So, it is a false AM Stereo due to...=20 > who knows why!!! From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Thu Dec 10 12:52:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1949 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2009 20:52:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2009 20:52:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2009 20:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2009 20:52:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2009 20:52:20 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:52:18 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <04d001ca7238$e84520e0$4600a8c0@cwrn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: {AMSF} ADD an A.M. Stereo station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=lgv7Dgd8YPRTcNctYlWdGJno4G8FgFddXMH6znawqjH7QxQ_VXnRnYdv X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon The Portland Public School District's KBPS 1450 is AM Stereo. Some months = ago, I also heard a Canadian station on 1200 that calls itself "RJ1200," wi= th a Bollywood format. Another AM Stereo station that I heard a while back= was on 1470 with an Asian format (I didn't hear the callsign). --Alfred --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > what other states in the us have am stereo left? > I sure wish tucson did > --- From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Dec 10 19:46:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88047 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 03:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2009 03:45:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 03:45:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25391 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Dec 2009 03:45:54 -0000 Message-ID: <996197.27381.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5cSAamYVM1nK_hmqUEzlG09gQU1EhpUMOw1V02.St_B8lKYMUYvuuoNXIgzo0Dt7qP0tud.0ArxHI2h__8rl7VaR.kZ3M6SlSGDxNNNmuMNQZcOAIdDXi_7fpDdoY4E.zDfFtHuzb6IpDvt0bevu3PmSu0mT4lcIe7RxfXSP8KUXjerE_nwxtgJKjN.Kqks9YbpghtYfbjVwwKr2AYHHWrLfSbUtjrmaH0gesv9HDFhcWHTAcsup7MaI_PRA1_9H1Wr3BC1A4QKfbrXndU_.F94IPA7mU6F0kLT3vLvot7ymtAGKP6Gxjd1vDaI0VIUHfWi.SvsageBnUz0lI5jPTbmTOIuW0DIrJstyM.hHxCW1A.ER5codNlWkNVJkhidBh.jcjhBH4Wi1r75oXwy9NNZyjGo03Re_.XWxaA5FyTlDDA_FSAF4pMGg4YQGgNdqVwb5FKKMTf4JdEb5KZHUR2EVIjRw9_K7BtpZOUoFnZUXBgnQ1JXyA4tCzgn5DDEzd4gQk1bYBUXUWzSBIwiHn6ILkHKBIWCMTH.2B.aIAGJbZoEihSxSuSyHBkaz2Zo.7LIqenF4g_TXZvGKIUM0uJak_9Kgg_7n0XR3vsdVyVguVjut4AnadRzg.dvvLZlEBqr7iNoloyXg01WF1jIGYIchbLO8C8STKlBZWqkkBoTfr55BT9ZBZTCpseZ9oT4JkaDk7m9pxcPuuXm74WyKL0uNzTm8POG.fdIelyqgoHMto7cVEmrAjm7V01rPWbkjUAGEd8IYQgijRtrhchhQFby8MnJ9fzKTij6AxQkjFdGbzSkd6OOW44p9CTwsvgfYFdXii3ZSk6XjfZNugqYpzoR_KL.nPXJ4ah4cCnXLjKYCMxhlQKKpRo8uZXo0TSlfdS0P7.mAGPtwspDu2mBtG7iGI8UGH5Slw1jtuCXJDPOju0NeE6p.c1M30G03FJPw8xwFlaKMLLfIBrv5AoZ7Mr4dCyJ7sF0YrB6yxSW6IBxNvyaeDrRiwm3LelJenPv2RP5EJ2NtqWecljR_eMy92o6gjLlU64LdOJpqg3QijfA1lF5lxJ9wUK7iIpzSr5ldPlOVVYTg7Oo_OqWBEnxtvhhUcanBbALR63fCj276h3_Q6tuFre1BA8AKxAZFQz.aqN_KQQp0e36dmeIIYuTiJTmYc7t5bXpETLEDmt.WFzA2sf2fJoowJVfy0aV95LHvfQ2Qk9Tm9xz_1cq2Aro8oDKAuuM39Q_hbyvdrvYiu5anpc5ZIbyEx4AWDxXfQUh5tqFvM5cS X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:45:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:45:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=pHHbiKUYrbWqZ1lWePo420v-yv8TsoA1bK7WywEPP4vD0g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For two stations to "beat" with the needed 25 Hz. pilot for C-QUAM, the min= imum error would be 12.5 Hz., even more if one station was closer to assign= ed frequency...isn't that a bit off by today's standards? =C2=A0What is the= FCC-allowed maximum frequency error? It's been years, but I thought it was= +/- 10 Hz., with most stations well within 5 Hz.G --- On Thu, 12/10/09, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} Re: False AM Stereo Air Check To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 3:41 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 As was mentioned elsewhere on this thread, a co-channel station that = is slightly-off frequency can cause the receiver's pilot detector to false = trigger. I have heard this phenomenon on KOMO (1000 kHz), and for a while,= it fooled me into thinking that they were transmitting the pilot tone. What is somewhat peculiar is that the signal in the aircheck you posted sou= nds pretty stable, as if it were being received via groundwave. I hear the= electrical noise in the background, but I don't hear any co-channel statio= ns. It is possible that this is a station with a C-QUAM capable transmitte= r, but they are feeding it with monophonic audio. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jotape1960" wrot= e: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Hours ago I got a supposed AM Stereo signal in my Philips DC888 AM=20 > Stereo Tuner. I know it isn't a real AM Stereo signal because it is a=20 > chilean station and there is not any AM Stereo station in my=20 > beautiful country (hehehehe). So, it is a false AM Stereo due to...=20 > who knows why!!! =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Thu Dec 10 23:12:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75892 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 07:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2009 07:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 07:12:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2009 07:12:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2009 07:12:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:12:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <996197.27381.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.168.51.10 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: {AMSF} Re: False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=KcsIUic5e8SGXnL5-LW185_bYXihYuhqis6qFLE5IhDCBbA4iqTbIriW X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon I just measured KOMO's frequency at 1000.000 kHz*. They are right on the n= ose! The carrier frequency of most United States AM stations is pretty wel= l controlled. Here in the Portland market, the largest frequency errors I = have been able to measure are KPOJ (620 kHz) at +8 Hz and KBNP (1410 kHz) a= t -10 Hz. The local stations that run IBOC (KEX 1190 kHz, KKPZ 1330 kHz, a= nd KDZR 1640 kHz) are exactly on their assigned frequencies because IBOC ex= citers are locked to a GPS frequency reference. KOAC (550 kHz), KXL (750 k= Hz), and the new KTRP (1130 kHz) are also right on their nominal frequencie= s, though I don't know whether they are locked to a GPS reference or if the= reference is just a crystal oscillator that has been very carefully calibr= ated. The co-worker who gave me the Rycom 6040 claims that the frequency toleranc= e of AM stations is +/-4 Hz. He worked maintaining a transmitter for a non= -commercial AM several decades ago. However, I had always suspected that t= he rules call for an accuracy of +/-20 Hz or better. Can somebody clarify = which is correct? --Alfredo * A co-worker gave me an old Rycom 6040 "Selective Level Meter." This is a= n instrument that tunes, like a radio, to any frequency from about 300 Hz t= o 3.5 MHz. When tuned to a signal, it reads out the frequency (to 1 Hz) an= d level (in dBm) of that signal. It has a very stable temperature-compensa= ted crystal timebase, which I calibrated to WWV on 2.5 MHz. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > For two stations to "beat" with the needed 25 Hz. pilot for C-QUAM, the m= inimum error would be 12.5 Hz., even more if one station was closer to assi= gned frequency...isn't that a bit off by today's standards? =C2 What is the= FCC-allowed maximum frequency error? It's been years, but I thought it was= +/- 10 Hz., with most stations well within 5 Hz.G From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Dec 10 23:46:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48105 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 07:45:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2009 07:45:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 07:45:58 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBB7jojW027739 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:45:51 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c4a.5ecdb88e (55724) for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:45:47 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.103]) by cia-md02.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD027-b2cf4b21f8a3339; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:45:46 -0500 X-Received: from magic-d11.mail.aol.com (magic-d11.mail.aol.com [172.19.187.156]) by smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME026-b2cf4b21f8a3339; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:45:39 -0500 Message-ID: <7a5b.635e8e3a.385352a3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:45:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.187.156 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5eR8FlpUxTHvKQQHPJuj3CR6L0eVv1tK7AT_HSkSrtMM_3We9q5wFiJRRLwUBul5 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/10/2009 9:46:22 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > What is the FCC-allowed maximum frequency error? It used to be, and perhaps still is, +/- 20 hz or AM, +/- 2 khz for FM. With newer technologies, most stations don't use a fraction of that tolerance. The stations which I worked at 40 years ago generally ran around 5 hz off according to the frequency monitor. Anything beyond 8 generally called for a check of the oven thermostat or a tweak on the crystal padding capacitor. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Dec 11 13:58:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91882 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 21:58:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2009 21:58:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f216.google.com) (209.85.217.216) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 21:58:17 -0000 X-Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so1370268gxk.11 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:58:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.37.33 with SMTP id k33mr2121416agk.114.1260568697090; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:58:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from toshibauser (71-32-44-221.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.44.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm1047047yxe.37.2009.12.11.13.58.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:58:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <007601ca7aad$098f5640$4700a8c0@toshibauser> To: References: <9458.42049.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:58:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.216 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=7CQPDCq8NguMlZsW1JSRJW-rLczS0BPnbCiQv3AUgOIuamOg6Z0u X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit also what made him get back in to the business? thaught he gave that up? ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:40 AM Subject: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Wow, looks like Chris made even more improvements over my 2nd generation A.L. unit. Any idea what all was added? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Dec 11 14:01:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5859 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 22:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2009 22:01:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f172.google.com) (209.85.210.172) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 22:01:25 -0000 X-Received: by yxe2 with SMTP id 2so1297891yxe.18 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:01:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.158.30 with SMTP id k30mr3192435ano.43.1260568885503; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:01:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from toshibauser (71-32-44-221.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.44.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1050425yxd.8.2009.12.11.14.01.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:01:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <008d01ca7aad$79e8c7f0$4700a8c0@toshibauser> To: References: <872268.86192.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:01:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=91wIwk7kNBWQdgcmM5KLNhh2YeRVpiE1oY4cYj-jz4X7j7njxwTz X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable where do you hook up the antanna at? the one I had had no antanna jack or anything and it also hummed like a mofo to ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:03 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite =20=20=20=20 Uh, hopefully the LP filters between the f/4 and the rest of it. Mine (l= ate 90s) omitted these, fed square waves to the L-R and L+R modulators. Ha= d my signal show up at several places on the dial, but a tuned antenna fixe= d it pretty much.All in all, though, what a bargain! Good sound, very wide= bandwidth, and a well processed audio signal sounded AWESOME through my SR= F-A100.For just one portrait of Benjamin F., an improved model...how can yo= u go wrong?I hope Chris sells out and makes a bunch more, and sells out AGA= IN!!!To paraphrase a few lines from "Alice's Restaurant", "and if 50 people= do it, they will know it's a movement!" God bless the independent broadca= sters! May the entire land be dotted with towers flying the jolly roger!G= =20 --- On Mon, 12/7/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 9:40 AM =20=20=20 Wow, looks like Chris made even more improvements over my 2nd generation = A.L. unit. Any idea what all was added? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From awhichello@ieee.org Fri Dec 11 15:23:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: whichello@velocitynet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33853 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2009 23:23:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2009 23:23:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO m0.velocity.net.au) (203.17.154.50) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2009 23:23:29 -0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.2] (152.202.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au [122.49.202.152]) by m0.velocity.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6856007F for ; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:23:28 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <4B22D47A.9090708@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:23:38 +1100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1260523669.3571.43178.m2@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1260523669.3571.43178.m2@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 203.17.154.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: apw From: apw Reply-To: awhichello@ieee.org Subject: Re: False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270944425; y=8FuVdVHpTjJnfv6AVdYtwewIRrKmqg9QciM2C5vrhevQpw X-Yahoo-Profile: apw3642 Maybe we are looking at false AM stereo pilots the wrong way. What is the tolerance at the receiver for it to think it has the 25Hz pilot present? From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 11 18:11:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97035 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2009 02:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2009 02:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 02:11:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.190] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091211201043000352000010.0) with SMTP id <20091211201043000352000010> for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:10:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00ad01ca7ad0$9bdfc480$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <7a5b.635e8e3a.385352a3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:10:43 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=hPk5oSAxb4nMlc4RHhq9haDq3wUQBrrkfsiXU18noERniWpyENyD X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Still is. I generally don't let mine drift more than +/-5Hz, though that's measured in the spring in between temperature extremes. Likely they're a bit further off in the dead of winter when I keep the building heated only to 55 degrees, or in the heat of summer when the AC is set only to 78 degrees. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:46 AM It used to be, and perhaps still is, +/- 20 hz or AM, +/- 2 khz for FM. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 11 18:17:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2329 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2009 02:17:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2009 02:17:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 02:17:24 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.190] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091211201631000995200010.0) with SMTP id <20091211201631000995200010> for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:16:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e701ca7ad1$6b896380$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <872268.86192.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008d01ca7aad$79e8c7f0$4700a8c0@toshibauser> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:16:31 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=q4K9w6PfWqvmrs73aMnZCimxKJ5gm4tGtjIHybP31SN1WW2oCxTX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That means your power supply wasn't filtered well enough. Find a better one or use it with batteries. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:01 PM and it also hummed like a mofo to --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Dec 11 18:26:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73825 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2009 02:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2009 02:26:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f201.google.com) (209.85.210.201) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 02:26:01 -0000 X-Received: by yxe39 with SMTP id 39so1403914yxe.8 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:26:01 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.2.7 with SMTP id e7mr3411760ani.89.1260584761142; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:26:01 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from toshibauser (71-32-44-221.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.44.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 35sm1129573yxh.33.2009.12.11.18.25.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:26:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00a901ca7ad2$71058b30$4700a8c0@toshibauser> To: References: <872268.86192.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008d01ca7aad$79e8c7f0$4700a8c0@toshibauser> <00e701ca7ad1$6b896380$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:25:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=GEN3fCKg_zGuySkLKgTBcpH7XbKWnLvomIXH-AuBGiqXxqrapIct X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it was the one he provided and I didn't see a batery conpartment on mine or feel one rather ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:16 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite That means your power supply wasn't filtered well enough. Find a better one or use it with batteries. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:01 PM and it also hummed like a mofo to --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sat Dec 12 07:51:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29538 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2009 15:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2009 15:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.84) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 15:51:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 3148 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2009 15:51:01 -0000 Message-ID: <658132.1949.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tOtwJawVM1l47YwAsS0IIfmc5f5Lw8jWP60xJTnGDWZitr3LCqq3cpQLHSShEjIGotCKPTKIVb1TWrYyfxYVeBXLvlOJRBzhooWbowfCudxTyCC2D7oMGvNdyhG.3qy3zt.fPLeqMCfV5Poi_X7_LZ.wsc449WcSNYWJWgvKFdbkVlxlB3MRsCIgzNK9FmIy.8wJHrU1YjUIpWqkw0Ln0F5O19uc3_5bYEXxxINJXoUfUFlxhQUUkDlphfDFokjHVji_zdEQJBTtWeLBg7lQF8x7asC8bJGyuMRsh68g9FRez0PXlLnfY2tuUWp6x7Yo9DxwdVzpy2Kufo.5J.MJFQX1kviCrjWlM49VxOidgecgvK_W69GXD06o2ebbjcFOtRXCBM.Wbi3nf9i7YBCQLH6byw-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.29] by web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:51:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <996197.27381.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 07:51:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <996197.27381.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=liAb8iOqtRclO6Mw_QBnh2oqZHzU2YrjmNMT0podhnU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW 20 Hertz..... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- From: george russell For two stations to "beat" with the needed 25 Hz. pilot for C-QUAM, the minimum error would be 12.5 Hz., even more if one station was closer to assigned frequency...isn't that a bit off by today's standards? What is the FCC-allowed maximum frequency error? It's been years, but I thought it was +/- 10 Hz., with most stations well within 5 Hz.G From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Dec 12 10:55:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57837 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2009 18:54:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2009 18:54:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 18:54:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 33196 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2009 18:54:11 -0000 Message-ID: <888799.26233.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FoankDMVM1nkbM6rIP9T2SjLLGB6ane2swbGlhnDu8pmq8ufKhsXJLt9hkI4a0UfoJOVXXbD0ndc04kB25n7sMMgYuQlBlFxO8UHsCuLLfr74NcxcqFWxaZ2mC46T4nlN2UcQgp1.t1_gYXJD.GWcJKjk_SbdkGNmJ58UZOEwPsbJy1QjkWepNurUMUGoCdx2jZxrm1FRAWzyfr62kxjU8prKBm7K5Av1eK2S4iXrHPUSeTW0zyzhLEp0IT6JKpk2ZPPffFiN53Fi_IXUK6iMptUOpZosjEeP4heBf3ForVtjhd4nX4_aRF8QBaXzyMO02RDrmmx0LYDL3adD..TFP0vfn7mmqeyumKliY09vDHjxpmacLoJ2zWEbIGJS1YiKLnf5g7Kcpnh5Q.nKBl0exu35YIF7xAgMzRctB5o77pMGdxvqg7548QKl6J1aO6ADR0DPtylIfP4qlLf2DLPNFtMfQHjZtGjD0AmHw.NvwG2z3wFEHmqOoNkij_JyYeQ4sdlUgAJJ6bapZddD7QdItvVIth4aLZv7PoZ76Qha7wEdXDNHGZWXNttmIBqPRBuNaAoOoKJxVPPIb2EtJbtqzj2w0xdUd90i6ezPAJ73XLHQBfTDKS7abvJ.KDtqhb8LsADt0O9PCV6n.zPvQSIMC9Z4swGhMxvgZ7ozN9V50qMhKby.X0LyH17ro01itPGIaYAMzKsQ9Zd3ZObryx7vlGLNGXtJDvfGKNaM5AjofuBJ3n5e8UsRRExAGBjZD8kUHrS89fM4UqCLtjO33WOCTJeRDoENJIVSpCgnfYwlxtCKYp8gklZ8uppfdreavRnPZhLINIqPExld0HFFxjPRXOo0Di2liGu1y0MSZNWUYRuZudWSXHWEeUyFeGrYtwpXHgzmBnYTLMhoXxjsNAlfDyj0faLzFhQ_IEsyVl1lwOitCwHK.doBFXyQwZDUiLpY4Y68_P65lNGEkreqJi.jvmqk1ASQwvqwdekG4IrzN.P9tt17iNxj5S7fqQ84gvPcFdeeptbhjDV2Eoe2YIRiazlB7iAJVCgehEbVM.gyigspNUnKvK_rQHSN3TOTzsHpf.ougKDF6ykg9kFP307ucIB2R3Oge4X47Ti2Ija1Q0Q7kvVVnr0z7i50sUEIkqfUxgL92PkNtsG870pbO9h3VCep7C8hQQVGiL2EtlxUG_R2KytFdTNqAk_aCYRkKxOrrZ.oSKEx375zCnH9DVQWC1I27IfPRYckS6Cs9BtPCycWTb_ieUMX550TVgeV1r_ X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:54:11 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:54:11 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008d01ca7aad$79e8c7f0$4700a8c0@toshibauser> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=hvE2DJpa-lSE3_9roN-yxfMDfBtbByDCFKpps0JBoedTmQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hank,The antenna and ground on mine were just two wires coming out of the b= ox. The battery holders (2 4-AA boxes) were under the PC board...of course,= design may have changed several times since mine was made. =C2=A0Hum? =C2= =A0Bad wall wart, if it works otherwise, I'd just put a real big capacitor = across the power input.G --- On Fri, 12/11/09, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 5:01 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 where do you hook up the antanna at? the one I had had no antanna jack or anything and it also hummed like a mofo to ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:03 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite Uh, hopefully the LP filters between the f/4 and the rest of it. Mine (lat= e 90s) omitted these, fed square waves to the L-R and L+R modulators. Had = my signal show up at several places on the dial, but a tuned antenna fixed = it pretty much.All in all, though, what a bargain! Good sound, very wide b= andwidth, and a well processed audio signal sounded AWESOME through my SRF-= A100.For just one portrait of Benjamin F., an improved model...how can you = go wrong?I hope Chris sells out and makes a bunch more, and sells out AGAIN= !!!To paraphrase a few lines from "Alice's Restaurant", "and if 50 people d= o it, they will know it's a movement!" God bless the independent broadcast= ers! May the entire land be dotted with towers flying the jolly roger!G=20 --- On Mon, 12/7/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 9:40 AM Wow, looks like Chris made even more improvements over my 2nd generation A.= L. unit. Any idea what all was added? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Dec 12 10:57:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70644 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2009 18:56:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2009 18:56:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 18:56:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34074 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2009 18:56:16 -0000 Message-ID: <628062.32718.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: uL_hlEkVM1lcRFsVRkxKKlb_aJMrQgU9fOSUCZznDxhMs3cuNTt.KVYqpcJGPhGpwSbA7H00cSHpfc4nAggA5hcJIXqtdoBR4l.ySjrYyPOwLXWLvWBGR1ckpTVEaL_ZRyWEveR4J06IKOcxcrQysjWN2N1zcCbT2asxRgDgyxtHwhetSvQEg1zbUZkPv8PMYXBGUXS99Zud75LMX.a4WSBsKbsGllBWrOZaKB019MixHG53Oa4QCg_k5K6xldL_Pk5J1AZbqmhHvT8Cnl6iJaiswOAPludgrOoYzdU99teYnH9hUmmTSIHVv9..Z_BdxvNc0RPVvbVeI3es.ypnMJWOY8M_S.NsCKo64usddcq8xu0marLMPcpv9PoO4y6jJ2lzQF.zhekQLEfwMSHKpsrtF_QR1yWSFmNSLrdmn2E3geA18bev.spolFBEwGN7nrUbSeBITpp5Vxq31Fpjt3sTM09.R0ML5idJ7iinXRtGH46aOehk6xSXkDFRT8KnTg5_BzMBgLg0Yc7XWenCJiaCDHqQLbQUi3fUbrHem0naFbrgZoEjxVooJG8HSFL4rpU930ro2Ug3CZIXKTCc9J86feVyJ18_Vm.gLNPMEnrns4e3LA3LH3e9ikKmMNPMyfOMVXTj5cWrrbGhIpKqtA5dHtGxZfZeW9OeuImAVVVRvWibOKLObW4.g8AJtzJsN.ZiRUlZT8Si6hKyfNJVEbpRTyWtW.qOJQ8wfuB.5ac6Jk0a2rTVB1Izk7LKVWTzdn8HHHORjYzxCWxoj83EPqKW18kXeSYud9kKkWan5I2z5t7OqKXeWm3WegakAmscMXDqoz6PodK0WPHhBblkIUCgMrXxK5kJHDslhlionyuhHIhrXjxEkJsGuuaFjo0O.C5d2f4ZFqnSy3yf3Ttc6IWPZi70z3yUYxStcVyTwB.DBT6BgqNOTqVqa3ZL0z2.Cfz1sp4_TkxdC.A2RhfLKTBjck_WoFefJARTPxOgNjmlY_H46ADRggQHAGpBysn6oFoYQ5ngAXVFTUJ2NPihiw2ePPMeA4_HZhKEtiiNU..6Qs8Skp72OytmjE.64pS4FKAVdXhtCBn9ng74MUDNHuk1FUljCl0hlrLNIUcopQ0mh4QaJggCKJrq6LCbEvKYHxpgY2O8j_ZZtggmhpAJ42SpoXUm8umh2dpWn9r1yp7kPl9Gp5ly1FqBpMiTl8k9GVnbjkfqoVbI0dNV3kAH3PNYm6OUr2zcfPXofJ7Q51Rf9Xd2AESCiTLMhhVPAg4D.4gY4HXjz_T33hUzEzYSokHlcRU4uD2ScM63.o8cIvHvMur0C9KeK.PJlcr1y48snT9iosaDda_zGs23 X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:56:16 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:56:16 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <658132.1949.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=MnNdpp3GEGfQ17KkIKHmDjQDfY34CiMnKg9F9EINFDDOjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My money's on them using a C-QUAM exciter with mono audio! =C2=A0G --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: False AM Stereo Air Check To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 10:51 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 20 Hertz..... Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- From: george russell For two stations to "beat" with the needed 25 Hz. pilot for C-QUAM, the min= imum error would be 12.5 Hz., even more if one station was closer to assign= ed frequency... isn't that a bit off by today's standards? What is the FCC= -allowed maximum frequency error? It's been years, but I thought it was +/-= 10 Hz., with most stations well within 5 Hz.G =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Dec 12 14:38:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45945 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2009 22:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Dec 2009 22:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2009 22:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2009 22:38:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Dec 2009 22:38:26 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:38:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <628062.32718.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.52.112 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: False AM Stereo Air Check X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=tEkvQtylm2jverxseXzc_tYkVFQc9qKjsSfD-Dyjvcy4jwVs0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I'm sure they don't have a C-QUAM exciter on the air, but I'll ask them abo= ut it. By the way, I need to ask about what's happen with the IBOC and DRM signals= when you get in into a subterranean car parking zone. With analog AM you l= ose a lot (all the signal, sometimes). Some experience about it? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > My money's on them using a C-QUAM exciter with mono audio! =C2=A0G >=20 > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Powell E. Way III wrote: >=20 > From: Powell E. Way III > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: False AM Stereo Air Check > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 10:51 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > 20 Hertz..... >=20 >=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20 >=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ---- >=20 > From: george russell >=20 >=20 >=20 > For two stations to "beat" with the needed 25 Hz. pilot for C-QUAM, the m= inimum error would be 12.5 Hz., even more if one station was closer to assi= gned frequency... isn't that a bit off by today's standards? What is the F= CC-allowed maximum frequency error? It's been years, but I thought it was += /- 10 Hz., with most stations well within 5 Hz.G >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From acq@videotron.ca Mon Dec 14 01:36:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18414 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2009 09:36:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2009 09:36:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2009 09:36:43 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KUM002M2YP65NA0@VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:36:43 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <37C4489FD8124A8D987FEE2C6878C623@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:36:40 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Sony XR-A33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=tSoQhx2QpcabrXG8xt288Ix1tc2K3rp06ZZe6XKaWvlTGWiOFMTZ_bo X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warm greetings ! Does the XRA33 support Belar instead of Motorola or should I tune first in AM Stereo Wide and then detune to AM Stereo Narrow to get a signal on WLS-890 or WICC-600 ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Wed Dec 16 09:21:21 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95716 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2009 17:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Dec 2009 17:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2009 17:21:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.225] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091216112041000350100010.0) with SMTP id <20091216112041000350100010> for ; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:20:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006901ca7e74$6b903740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <37C4489FD8124A8D987FEE2C6878C623@MirelaPC> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:20:41 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Sony XR-A33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=7_n66LVyzMr9m-z3IEAAfiOugYBXv2bqfQUUFFiOt02lyD-ATnP9 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You want to tune in narrow mode first so you're sure to have the carrier centered then switch to wide if there's sufficient lack of interference. If this radio is truly multimode there's no reason it shouldn't get Motorola as it always had the lead on the number of stations using it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Mirela Chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:36 AM Subject: {AMSF} Sony XR-A33 Warm greetings ! Does the XRA33 support Belar instead of Motorola or should I tune first in AM Stereo Wide and then detune to AM Stereo Narrow to get a signal on WLS-890 or WICC-600 ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 17 06:26:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35696 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2009 14:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Dec 2009 14:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 2009 14:23:45 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 14:19:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 14:19:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Dec 2009 14:19:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:19:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006901ca7e74$6b903740$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Sony XR-A33 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=2GtDQTCMCq5WJZBYjhf7svL5SV3121D1_ADdsXH_piXojIC9PrdhZ6I X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I thought that this round of Sony hardware decoded ALL 4 AM STEREO systems?= Their A/V receivers made in Canada deocoded all 4 systems automatically! John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > You want to tune in narrow mode first so you're sure to have the carrier = centered then switch to wide if there's sufficient lack of interference. I= f this radio is truly multimode there's no reason it shouldn't get Motorola= as it always had the lead on the number of stations using it. >=20 > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Mirela Chiochiu=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:36 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Sony XR-A33 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Warm greetings ! >=20 > Does the XRA33 support Belar instead of Motorola or should I tune first= in AM Stereo Wide and then detune to AM Stereo Narrow to get a signal on W= LS-890 or WICC-600 ? >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sun Dec 20 20:03:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64617 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2009 04:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2009 04:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173011pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.11) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2009 04:03:42 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.228.140.43]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KUZ00HK7HXB3K28@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:03:12 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <1B2FC533C91A4D92BEFAE240FF093FDC@your4dacd0ea75> To: "Donn Tillman" Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:03:11 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.11 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=P0NjZHDxIg1Fbk8qiGn1VvuTsvz1dWejQMd9mBHfRcwquQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting article. ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin redding To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 6:32 PM Subject: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy By Catherine Tymkiw, producerDecember 20, 2009: 2:55 PM ET NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Citadel Broadcasting Co., the third-largest radio group in the United States, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy Sunday. The company, which has stations in 25 states, listed liabilities of $2.5 billion on assets of $1.4 billion, according to court papers filed with the Southern District of New York. Citadel has been saddled with debt for some time and it had been widely reported in recent months that the company could be headed toward bankruptcy. More than 60% of the company's secured lenders backed Citadel's pre-negotiated bankruptcy, which will allow it to extinguish $1.4 billion of debt and convert its $2.1 billion secured credit facility into a new term loan. Chief Executive Farid Suleman said in a statement that "business will continue as usual" and Citadel would work hard to emerge from banktruptcy "as quickly as possible." The company said Sunday that it had reached a deal with its lenders to gain acess to over $36 million of cash plus cash flow from operations to help it through the restructuring process. According to Sunday's filing, the three largest unsecured creditors were JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) (with an unspecified amount owed), Wilmington Trust Corp. (WL) (with a $49.2 million claim) and The Walt Disney Co. (DIS, Fortune 500) (with a claim of $11.2 million). Citadel had reported a third-quarter loss of $21 million and a 14% drop in revenue for the three months ended Sept. 30. The company's stock was delisted earlier in the year and last month Citadel warned, in a regulatory filing, that it expected sales would continue to decline through the end of the year. The company comprises 165 FM stations and 58 AM stations. Programming includes syndicated radio properties like ABC News Radio, The Mark Levin Show and The Huckabee Report. Citadel's attorney was unavailable for immediate comment. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Dec 21 08:24:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75264 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2009 16:12:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Dec 2009 16:12:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s30.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.169) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 2009 16:12:25 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W29 ([65.55.111.136]) by blu0-omc4-s30.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:11:41 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:11:41 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: <1B2FC533C91A4D92BEFAE240FF093FDC@your4dacd0ea75> References: <1B2FC533C91A4D92BEFAE240FF093FDC@your4dacd0ea75> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2009 16:11:41.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[486238D0:01CA8258] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.169 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=vb2G-FpcKVaBPm_GuwG3jGqz9CpApPLGevyW04J6l5aUZNu_m4ty0FVC_oI X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dick, =20 Tom Taylor's column today mentions this and apparently for now, things will= run as normal as possible at Citadel; look so many other broadcasters, the= y bit off more than they could chew in the last few years; in their case bu= ying some or all of the ABC stations (at least all of the Disney owned stat= ions). Salem is also in trouble, but not to the extent of Citadel and of c= ourse they are making some of their loses with more and more brokered progr= amming on their right winged talk stations and then selling the usual snake= -oil on their "preach and teach" stations. (i.e. 950 in Orlando, and 570 an= d 910 in this area). =20 btw- the MJ show on WFLZ is not a talk show per se; MJ in the mornings on W= FLZ is a Bubba the Love Sponge wannabe (why anyone would want that as an ac= hievement is beyond me!), but then in the afternoons after Rush, he appears= as Todd Schnitt with his ultra conservative, take responsibility for yours= elf, neocon talk. =20 Apparently Alex Sink is going to see if their should be a state fire marsha= l's investigation of this prank, which WFLZ alleges was only their attempt = at a PSA! It's just sheer luck, no one was seriously injured. =20 On the Terk loop, I have the radio shack version (no longer sold), it's bur= ied in a closet somewhere. =20 Just listened to the Bob Edwards show on XM (I do listen to some talk radio= ); anyway he was interviewing a man who wrote a book on the "Bonus Army", t= hey were a group of black and white WWI veterans, who was gassed by the Ger= mans; only to end up being gassed and shot at by the U.S. Army at the direc= tion of President Hoover and General MacArthur in the summer of 1932. (Eise= nhower would not go along with this and tried to prevail that these men (al= ong with the wives and children) should not be gassed and that their tents = near the capitol should not be burned. =20 I thought it was interesting. =20 Talk to you later. =20 Donn =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: dwtpa97@verizon.net Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:03:11 -0500 Subject: {AMSF} Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy =20=20 Interesting article. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kevin redding=20 To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 6:32 PM Subject: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy By Catherine Tymkiw, producerDecember 20, 2009: 2:55 PM ET NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Citadel Broadcasting Co., the third-largest radi= o group in the United States, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy Sunday. The company, which has stations in 25 states, listed liabilities of $2.5 bi= llion on assets of $1.4 billion, according to court papers filed with the S= outhern District of New York. Citadel has been saddled with debt for some time and it had been widely rep= orted in recent months that the company could be headed toward bankruptcy. More than 60% of the company's secured lenders backed Citadel's pre-negotia= ted bankruptcy, which will allow it to extinguish $1.4 billion of debt and = convert its $2.1 billion secured credit facility into a new term loan. Chief Executive Farid Suleman said in a statement that "business will conti= nue as usual" and Citadel would work hard to emerge from banktruptcy "as qu= ickly as possible." The company said Sunday that it had reached a deal with its lenders to gain= acess to over $36 million of cash plus cash flow from operations to help i= t through the restructuring process. According to Sunday's filing, the three largest unsecured creditors were JP= Morgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) (with an unspecified amount owed), Wilmingt= on Trust Corp. (WL) (with a $49.2 million claim) and The Walt Disney Co. (D= IS, Fortune 500) (with a claim of $11.2 million). Citadel had reported a third-quarter loss of $21 million and a 14% drop in = revenue for the three months ended Sept. 30. The company's stock was delist= ed earlier in the year and last month Citadel warned, in a regulatory filin= g, that it expected sales would continue to decline through the end of the = year. The company comprises 165 FM stations and 58 AM stations. Programming inclu= des syndicated radio properties like ABC News Radio, The Mark Levin Show an= d The Huckabee Report. Citadel's attorney was unavailable for immediate comment.=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Mon Dec 21 16:20:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67980 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 00:20:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2009 00:20:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 00:20:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 00:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 00:16:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:16:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.99.130.221 From: "florida_amsstereo" Subject: Please disregard X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=R53u9UObGcaHohF-uLzPh-t1BXSHuQpVZ8AqlVlpxWj0yvl92Xzqq7_ZF0E X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo any prior posts from myself made earlier today about Citadel Broadcasting; = a private email was sent in error to the group. Donn, St. Petersburg,FL From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Dec 21 18:06:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73776 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 02:06:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2009 02:06:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 02:06:31 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.8] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091221200606002165000010.0) with SMTP id <20091221200606002165000010> for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:06:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002901ca82ab$aeb079a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1B2FC533C91A4D92BEFAE240FF093FDC@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:06:06 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=FVu_Gf5ulR8b64efvkTLKVCx_TNbDb8Vnidmta6I-y_oWHT1aOF7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude And you know this how? They own only half of the number of stations Citadel does and their debt is only 1/5. They were able to restructure much of their debt and Moody's has upgraded their stock rating. Salem had the foresight to diversify into various web-based media. I know you don't like their programming but your doomsday predictions are a bit overblown. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Tillman" To: "am stereo" Salem is also in trouble, but not to the extent of Citadel and of course they are making some of their loses with more and more brokered programming on their right winged talk stations and then selling the usual snake-oil on their "preach and teach" stations. (i.e. 950 in Orlando, and 570 and 910 in this area). --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Mon Dec 21 18:12:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56616 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 02:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2009 02:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 02:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 02:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 02:12:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:12:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00a901ca7ad2$71058b30$4700a8c0@toshibauser> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=yUrQdYzHNU6h0I62LzlQINwBUGrqjVMsZSdRyc3pRqxSRzxk0hNuD8Hw X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Hum can also be a sign of a bad ground. If you don't have a good ground, t= he wall wart (which contains diodes) will try to act as part of the ground = system, along with your house wiring. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > it was the one he provided > and I didn't see a batery conpartment on mine or feel one rather >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: scottn0bst@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Alfredo Lite >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > That means your power supply wasn't filtered well enough. Find a better= one or use it with batteries. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: hank smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:01 PM >=20 > and it also hummed like a mofo to >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfam= ily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 21 22:18:02 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67001 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 06:18:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2009 06:18:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 06:18:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 06:17:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2009 06:17:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:17:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1B2FC533C91A4D92BEFAE240FF093FDC@your4dacd0ea75> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=i8bSYMHzy-kKivfLTA9ee258Q3_9ceeXl9dSB0KFOX8MogBzFJ-gMcY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The Dickey Brothers can't be far behind with their mismanagement of Cumulus= , nor our ClearChannel (shutoff the stereo foes). Maybe some good firesale prices to individual owners again! Ho, ho, ho! John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W." wrote: > > Interesting article. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kevin redding=20 > To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 6:32 PM > Subject: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy >=20 >=20 > Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy > By Catherine Tymkiw, producerDecember 20, 2009: 2:55 PM ET >=20 >=20 > NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Citadel Broadcasting Co., the third-largest ra= dio group in the United States, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy Sunday. >=20 > The company, which has stations in 25 states, listed liabilities of $2.5 = billion on assets of $1.4 billion, according to court papers filed with the= Southern District of New York. >=20 > Citadel has been saddled with debt for some time and it had been widely r= eported in recent months that the company could be headed toward bankruptcy= . >=20 > More than 60% of the company's secured lenders backed Citadel's pre-negot= iated bankruptcy, which will allow it to extinguish $1.4 billion of debt an= d convert its $2.1 billion secured credit facility into a new term loan. >=20 > Chief Executive Farid Suleman said in a statement that "business will con= tinue as usual" and Citadel would work hard to emerge from banktruptcy "as = quickly as possible." >=20 > The company said Sunday that it had reached a deal with its lenders to ga= in acess to over $36 million of cash plus cash flow from operations to help= it through the restructuring process. >=20 > According to Sunday's filing, the three largest unsecured creditors were = JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) (with an unspecified amount owed), Wilmin= gton Trust Corp. (WL) (with a $49.2 million claim) and The Walt Disney Co. = (DIS, Fortune 500) (with a claim of $11.2 million). >=20 > Citadel had reported a third-quarter loss of $21 million and a 14% drop i= n revenue for the three months ended Sept. 30. The company's stock was deli= sted earlier in the year and last month Citadel warned, in a regulatory fil= ing, that it expected sales would continue to decline through the end of th= e year. >=20 > The company comprises 165 FM stations and 58 AM stations. Programming inc= ludes syndicated radio properties like ABC News Radio, The Mark Levin Show = and The Huckabee Report. >=20 > Citadel's attorney was unavailable for immediate comment.=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Mon Dec 21 23:48:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93707 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 07:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2009 07:48:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.189.140) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 07:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20091222074833.OXWP2264.nschwmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:48:33 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20091222074833.SDMA5111.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:48:33 +0000 To: References: <1B2FC533C91A4D92BEFAE240FF093FDC@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:48:33 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcqCWiHYIujLykx7SumNal1MDclw2QAedSgg X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150201.4B3079D1.00DC,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rBs3E9b5TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU67mJrM1lN321jxcNh2POmkqYK/0X4/Ru+M= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.189.140 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: The Digital Downunder Report - Happy Christmas! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 The official launch of DAB+ radio in Oz was early last August. Each mainland capital city had a free expo in a number of radio station marquis in the centre of each city. It went very well. There were more than a dozen new radios on display, and I came away happy with a pile of brochures from several manufacturers. The radio promotions for digital radio are still played on both commercial and ABC radio stations. I now have four DAB+ radios. A Grungig - plugged into the hi-fi system. It sounds great and has a tiny remote control the size of a credit card. A Pure - beside the bed. This is the only one that I have that can pause and rewind (for about 15 minutes) live radio. Hey, that's handy if you wake up in the middle of the night when it's in sleep mode and the talkback discussions sound interesting. A portable iRiver - all encompassing personal entertainment thing ... DAB+, FM radio, mp3 player, and pic viewer. The sound is great ... but I'm disappointed with it as the fragile 6" aerial needs to be up all the time and the sound frequently cuts out altogether with very minor movements. People would buy this one for other reasons. A wonderful robust Sangean personal radio (walkman) just released! - it has a sturdier 5" aerial that you never really need to extend at all here in central Melbourne. It passes the shake test that the iRiver one fails. Reception on trains and trams is exceptional ... heaps better than AM or FM reception. Just occasionally the sound quickly fades out and then back in sometimes when a tram stops or a train goes under a bridge. This one is a bottler!! My impression so far is that DAB+ will be here for the medium to long term. Most comments on the Oz radio group are very supportive of the crisp reception. The only disadvantage is the price. My two mantel radios cost about $250 each. Something similar without DAB+ would be half this price. But prices are already coming down. The cheapest radio sells at $89 and has had wonderful reports (especially when plugged into a hi-fi system). DAB+ radios all have a menu system to tune in stations ... by station name rather than frequency. As far as presets go ... this initially seems a bit of a nuisance. Three of my radios have presets - 10 on DAB+ and 10 on FM. It just takes a bit longer to go through whatever menu to get to the presets. As each radio becomes familiar it becomes easier to do this. No doubt this problem (if it is one) will be overcome with larger models down the track where you may have 10 or more dedicated preset buttons for your favourite stations on the radio itself. All in all, I'm pretty happy about the way DAB+ has been introduced here. There are already about 10 more new stations available as each station has enough bandwidth to broadcast two decent sounding channels. It hasn't got the magic that I almost secretively shared in here when AM stereo was introduced in 1985 ... initially with only perhaps three radio receivers available and precious little promotion. This is just about logical progress. Digital radio sales are reported to be slow but growing. Each store seems to have at least eight models available. Digital TV take-up was very similar to this. After nine years of digital TV the vast majority of households here now do have at least one model available. As from this year, this gives free to air ("broadcast") TV viewers more than double the channels they had access to before. Analog TV reception is due to be switched off in 2013 (set back from 2008). There is no legislation afoot to ever turn off analog radio. Ian Melbourne Wishing all you nice people around the globe a very Merry Christmas and an ))) AM stereo ((( Happy New Year ... where available. From keith1226@yahoo.com Tue Dec 22 00:41:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4064 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 08:40:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2009 08:40:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.147) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 08:40:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68206 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2009 08:40:54 -0000 Message-ID: <348963.67251.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: kUSvc9gVM1m5vuQ9Tp1YnPCvzt7qIHkjIWkOIFwVs5WPITdK6bSrYafuiGgdZUUXupeSwgOqW.86E6Pp2AEvm1OUh4tmo_E6xQ34a2dlGFEI3RngtQTpZOEFeFn0HLZk5hnJiIvaP7AegNOOMqydOpB2tfxV4QFM7IfvljrfQ0iGyHOYgJ6F8XSCl50lk1mmWNVijgFgI3yPv10sCHgAj.cqWsvb85G_A8NLJm0iRpJaduTvjGW4GpsHpGZTuymUK.T_F4hTBdLeL9QXxdEZW6vsXy7ZusmoLx3Cu1WgUX1rAcJpzq.BxcdFROj02pABj0JKWcaWdS7wLCkPjpioQHpkmfJekE_t3V0fu.2h.ltk457PwF677pOEflcuYw5Yjz_TLrfbPRCgGeNcO6tdvC4mwk_qBN1R5TPjg31c3bxLvKPzTNYvLqInAWwM7WgOhhLYb76zHp62rIFW.8gRE0r7Z0VxgHkaJKcW_jUrd7FhK8z8709QBg8.zNhn7oo- X-Received: from [67.183.112.24] by web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:40:54 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:40:54 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 206.190.38.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: keith beesley Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Digital Downunder Report - Happy Christmas! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=5tbTHoOIgEegw78V8M2FCo7ZfaMMK2Xamz6YoD9Vxme2XRHf X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Thanks, Ian, very interesting post.=20 Three questions spring immediately to mind: 1. Can ordinary analog radios r= eceive the new digital transmissions (in ordinary analog fidelity) or do yo= u need one of the new receivers to get them at all? 2. Does DAB cause hissi= ng or buzzing interference to adjacent channels, like the IBOC system here = in the U.S.? 3. Is your DAB+ system the same as the one in use in Europe an= d the U.K.? Happy Christmas and New Year to you, too! Keith Beesley Seattle, Washington, USA --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Ian Davidson wrote: > From: Ian Davidson > Subject: {AMSF} The Digital Downunder Report - Happy Christmas! > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 11:48 PM >=20 >=20 > The official launch of DAB+ radio in Oz was early last > August.=A0 Each > mainland capital city had a free expo in a number of radio > station marquis > in the centre of each city.=A0 It went very well.=A0 > There were more than a > dozen new radios on display, and I came away happy with a > pile of brochures > from several manufacturers. >=20 > The radio promotions for digital radio are still played on > both commercial > and ABC radio stations. >=20 > I now have four DAB+ radios. >=20 > A Grungig - plugged into the hi-fi system.=A0 It sounds > great and has a tiny > remote control the size of a credit card. >=20 > A Pure - beside the bed.=A0 This is the only one that I > have that can pause > and rewind (for about 15 minutes) live radio.=A0 Hey, > that's handy if you wake > up in the middle of the night when it's in sleep mode and > the talkback > discussions sound interesting. >=20 > A portable iRiver - all encompassing personal entertainment > thing ... DAB+, > FM radio, mp3 player, and pic viewer.=A0 The sound is > great ... but I'm > disappointed with it as the fragile 6" aerial needs to be > up all the time > and the sound frequently cuts out altogether with very > minor movements. > People would buy this one for other reasons. >=20 > A wonderful robust Sangean personal radio (walkman) just > released! - it has > a sturdier 5" aerial that you never really need to extend > at all here in > central Melbourne.=A0 It passes the shake test that the > iRiver one fails. > Reception on trains and trams is exceptional ... heaps > better than AM or FM > reception.=A0 Just occasionally the sound quickly fades > out and then back in > sometimes when a tram stops or a train goes under a > bridge.=A0 This one is a > bottler!! >=20 > My impression so far is that DAB+ will be here for the > medium to long term. > Most comments on the Oz radio group are very supportive of > the crisp > reception. >=20 > The only disadvantage is the price.=A0 My two mantel > radios cost about $250 > each.=A0 Something similar without DAB+ would be half > this price. >=20 > But prices are already coming down.=A0 The cheapest > radio sells at $89 and has > had wonderful reports (especially when plugged into a hi-fi > system). >=20 > DAB+ radios all have a menu system to tune in stations ... > by station name > rather than frequency.=A0 As far as presets go ... this > initially seems a bit > of a nuisance.=A0 Three of my radios have presets - 10 > on DAB+ and 10 on FM. > It just takes a bit longer to go through whatever menu to > get to the > presets.=A0 As each radio becomes familiar it becomes > easier to do this.=A0 No > doubt this problem (if it is one) will be overcome with > larger models down > the track where you may have 10 or more dedicated preset > buttons for your > favourite stations on the radio itself. >=20 > All in all, I'm pretty happy about the way DAB+ has been > introduced here. > There are already about 10 more new stations available as > each station has > enough bandwidth to broadcast two decent sounding > channels.=A0 It hasn't got > the magic that I almost secretively shared in here when AM > stereo was > introduced in 1985 ... initially with only perhaps three > radio receivers > available and precious little promotion. >=20 > This is just about logical progress.=A0 Digital radio > sales are reported to be > slow but growing.=A0 Each store seems to have at least > eight models available. > Digital TV take-up was very similar to this.=A0 After > nine years of digital TV > the vast majority of households here now do have at least > one model > available.=A0 As from this year, this gives free to air > ("broadcast") TV > viewers more than double the channels they had access to > before. >=20 > Analog TV reception is due to be switched off in 2013 (set > back from 2008). >=20 > There is no legislation afoot to ever turn off analog > radio. >=20 >=20 > Ian > Melbourne >=20 > Wishing all you nice people around the globe a very Merry > Christmas and an > ))) AM stereo ((( Happy New Year=A0 =A0 ... where > available.=A0 =A0=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > Groups Links >=20 >=20 > =A0 =A0 amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >=20 >=20 >=20 From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Tue Dec 22 00:46:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97488 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 08:46:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2009 08:46:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f198.google.com) (209.85.211.198) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 08:46:05 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yw0-f198.google.com with SMTP id 36so5539509ywh.15 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:46:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.91.54.18 with SMTP id g18mr2224663agk.92.1261471559332; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:45:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <348963.67251.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <348963.67251.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:45:59 +0800 Message-ID: <6e9df1070912220045y6fcfbe83g8600abefc00da2c8@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} The Digital Downunder Report - Happy Christmas! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=d_jFMtImBXnOaTdpHQWNMhOArgWOCRYY_93Z76mZKfawml3L X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good summary Ian. Hi Keith, 1. You need a new receiver. DAB+ isn't a hybrid system and operates on a totally different band. 2. No interference is caused to adjacent channels because of the different band 3. The DAB+ system is the same as the European one. Dan On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:40 PM, keith beesley wrote: > > > Thanks, Ian, very interesting post. > > Three questions spring immediately to mind: 1. Can ordinary analog radios > receive the new digital transmissions (in ordinary analog fidelity) or do > you need one of the new receivers to get them at all? 2. Does DAB cause > hissing or buzzing interference to adjacent channels, like the IBOC syste= m > here in the U.S.? 3. Is your DAB+ system the same as the one in use in > Europe and the U.K.? > > Happy Christmas and New Year to you, too! > > Keith Beesley > Seattle, Washington, USA > > --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Ian Davidson > > wrote: > > > From: Ian Davidson > > > > Subject: {AMSF} The Digital Downunder Report - Happy Christmas! > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 11:48 PM > > > > > > > The official launch of DAB+ radio in Oz was early last > > August. Each > > mainland capital city had a free expo in a number of radio > > station marquis > > in the centre of each city. It went very well. > > There were more than a > > dozen new radios on display, and I came away happy with a > > pile of brochures > > from several manufacturers. > > > > The radio promotions for digital radio are still played on > > both commercial > > and ABC radio stations. > > > > I now have four DAB+ radios. > > > > A Grungig - plugged into the hi-fi system. It sounds > > great and has a tiny > > remote control the size of a credit card. > > > > A Pure - beside the bed. This is the only one that I > > have that can pause > > and rewind (for about 15 minutes) live radio. Hey, > > that's handy if you wake > > up in the middle of the night when it's in sleep mode and > > the talkback > > discussions sound interesting. > > > > A portable iRiver - all encompassing personal entertainment > > thing ... DAB+, > > FM radio, mp3 player, and pic viewer. The sound is > > great ... but I'm > > disappointed with it as the fragile 6" aerial needs to be > > up all the time > > and the sound frequently cuts out altogether with very > > minor movements. > > People would buy this one for other reasons. > > > > A wonderful robust Sangean personal radio (walkman) just > > released! - it has > > a sturdier 5" aerial that you never really need to extend > > at all here in > > central Melbourne. It passes the shake test that the > > iRiver one fails. > > Reception on trains and trams is exceptional ... heaps > > better than AM or FM > > reception. Just occasionally the sound quickly fades > > out and then back in > > sometimes when a tram stops or a train goes under a > > bridge. This one is a > > bottler!! > > > > My impression so far is that DAB+ will be here for the > > medium to long term. > > Most comments on the Oz radio group are very supportive of > > the crisp > > reception. > > > > The only disadvantage is the price. My two mantel > > radios cost about $250 > > each. Something similar without DAB+ would be half > > this price. > > > > But prices are already coming down. The cheapest > > radio sells at $89 and has > > had wonderful reports (especially when plugged into a hi-fi > > system). > > > > DAB+ radios all have a menu system to tune in stations ... > > by station name > > rather than frequency. As far as presets go ... this > > initially seems a bit > > of a nuisance. Three of my radios have presets - 10 > > on DAB+ and 10 on FM. > > It just takes a bit longer to go through whatever menu to > > get to the > > presets. As each radio becomes familiar it becomes > > easier to do this. No > > doubt this problem (if it is one) will be overcome with > > larger models down > > the track where you may have 10 or more dedicated preset > > buttons for your > > favourite stations on the radio itself. > > > > All in all, I'm pretty happy about the way DAB+ has been > > introduced here. > > There are already about 10 more new stations available as > > each station has > > enough bandwidth to broadcast two decent sounding > > channels. It hasn't got > > the magic that I almost secretively shared in here when AM > > stereo was > > introduced in 1985 ... initially with only perhaps three > > radio receivers > > available and precious little promotion. > > > > This is just about logical progress. Digital radio > > sales are reported to be > > slow but growing. Each store seems to have at least > > eight models available. > > Digital TV take-up was very similar to this. After > > nine years of digital TV > > the vast majority of households here now do have at least > > one model > > available. As from this year, this gives free to air > > ("broadcast") TV > > viewers more than double the channels they had access to > > before. > > > > Analog TV reception is due to be switched off in 2013 (set > > back from 2008). > > > > There is no legislation afoot to ever turn off analog > > radio. > > > > > > Ian > > Melbourne > > > > Wishing all you nice people around the globe a very Merry > > Christmas and an > > ))) AM stereo ((( Happy New Year ... where > > available. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! > > Groups Links > > > > > > amstereoforum-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 22 07:03:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1616 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 15:03:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2009 15:03:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.82) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 15:03:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 96154 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2009 15:03:43 -0000 Message-ID: <898487.95270.qm@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: IUNV2qUVM1kB73TdT2aKzZ8o2.5WL6r3DFRo0H.bMzlzFX2yvq7YFtj2J5PaMJhQinNGF_mt2M5ixukA0x9Um4IBNuLgXDLKzLmp_uk2JD2fLBm1a.9obSmZaULgj5ped4BPQBpv_rLsdMximwhf6tCaeCisr2EjnzF1Sxn8QWLMzOQoEVaRKFk02VXaX6qVxgV8_mAm5sck4Awr3AxPNFMbF_8ekyZD.PJAy1qmxqj1B_fGY_znk3gDJTD4Ri62TL843wFQq3WyCv9iGCWh.RwIj5vjCtf5aApI5zEKZjued2jK265R6bZjl7y4tcAjJA-- X-Received: from [209.213.19.178] by web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:03:43 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <1B2FC533C91A4D92BEFAE240FF093FDC@your4dacd0ea75> <002901ca82ab$aeb079a0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:03:43 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002901ca82ab$aeb079a0$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Edit the subject line! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=8vPoMM5UPgobVP8uGtKRIpyjmkKKkHmhP6M6CfcwEw8 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Some of you that aren't on [ABDX] are posting a post that was also on {AMSF} and this shows up in my ABDX folder as it confused the mail rules. SO edit OUT the other list identifiers please. ! Powell ABDX co moderator Re: {AMSF} Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Dec 22 07:14:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5126 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 15:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2009 15:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f183.google.com) (209.85.210.183) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 15:14:19 -0000 X-Received: by yxe13 with SMTP id 13so5705013yxe.23 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:14:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.253.16 with SMTP id a16mr4721563agi.3.1261494858240; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:14:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.10? 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Way III wrote: > this shows up in my ABDX folder as it confused the mail rules. So this confuses your Mac? -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Dec 22 10:00:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74253 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 18:00:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2009 18:00:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.79) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 18:00:39 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72019 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Dec 2009 18:00:39 -0000 Message-ID: <419963.67134.qm@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OGveYfIVM1nG0BI8n3t3r2ZEwmx.RJxFek.czz.wJJvRnVvjU4f_TvM2FnDXCEjvNId7u4KEghI5iORzGLnlKmUq4iKCpB7U2A2eElqMm9qs0voK2Tdq.kVBdPPtNrqrXzB1kXfoZpG2gENs2OJG8xssk_CzDyVqvWUpZMkJtlKULbpSH0JzVMM.SuEcX4o7JjAJJF8DVMiSAk1_VbCllY36J6JJqULi6Nf_GQr6Iknq1ptOvpqWzMXpw4l0Tp_aG89z._WnQz1J3MgSGLVsAK3MhgMasQGVMSnlNhhWu6ogBcZOxGLoQlv7vKriVJwPwTgG7zXNIGQAWs1WUTq77mIl_gQiLGzEDi0F8mE_3l6T_zlwum8tKIfZJGm6WIXl1fYivCWTKqtSOH6IG_B4B5o1.IcTT2kVF76NE..MzZsiYQqOZWdoqOlzGiWjQ8W6jPvPCbeYMueA4CiUhtSmZGoahDbCpOYjyKQ5rsFdJZCD7mqlBVOYDl.huLpD6fxRs3SE_84AQJeZsFQ7sq.SfsmLXgw90CcrScJ8YemQfhuDLg-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:00:39 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <1B2FC533C91A4D92BEFAE240FF093FDC@your4dacd0ea75> <002901ca82ab$aeb079a0$d503fea9@stodd> <898487.95270.qm@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B30E24B.2090503@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:00:39 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B30E24B.2090503@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Edit the subject line! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=NFKIyoBuyyoGqGVpbj9HDjYgKOTPdqS8DefZB0yYy2M X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW NO IT CONFUSES THE RULES I WROTE FOR THE FOLDERS IN YAHOO MAIL!! =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 10:14:19 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} [ABDX] Edit the subject line! Powell E. Way III wrote: > this shows up in my ABDX folder as it confused the mail rules. So this confuses your Mac? --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 22 12:46:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62077 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2009 20:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2009 20:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2009 20:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.251] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091222144604001039300010.0) with SMTP id <20091222144604001039300010> for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:46:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <008301ca8348$24bb0240$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:46:04 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=wAWyLeYmPpdTFUQpfh2I1dMc36eUU-ejDUYoa7nxG5TUQ2fuhYQy X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No kidding. What a lousy time to be dead butt broke. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:18 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy The Dickey Brothers can't be far behind with their mismanagement of Cumulus, nor our ClearChannel (shutoff the stereo foes). Maybe some good firesale prices to individual owners again! Ho, ho, ho! John --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Dec 22 16:43:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42810 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2009 00:43:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2009 00:43:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2009 00:43:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 73148 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2009 00:43:26 -0000 Message-ID: <53786.71946.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: u1lGrfYVM1moJ_a3TO0.S_4kDoA34YT6vm9HF64UC16cnknKZokVnrOGrzWEwpwZ1ys86bZU74YUZy0GuqSOvwjCZehEfjMV1wfH5qFak9QBrOtv6fPfuXUdEw8JDH4ndAcwVOeFEQL_DMNQW6rxBc8hy37njYG2AXabUQer_XL7npzRyVNpGrMhnuaeWqV213gmp9w6xJysEVHi5GcO2pEv9bmr5yMj9jDy_.AaSwX5bJH0nWICxVBBnq5D5m4O7lDKeWCytUNQIfYRgD03ZFd8TDQ9cNcTofdWjGgFk2HThQOqt755e7YSJWvZvX5PHEOq8UDt8rTPZs8YC8KSn2VQZhqKtjHxUFed6AA0X7LLUoI4O90UZwxrKS4malM.0Ew8d3_mJgFqj1UKMcD72Al3Ih4XaTSJvTfOG5TLtuj16IhBI2vwZEh3RLkJCMDYOWiCs4t9IWy06TBLR.LFmOGD1R5Aa9rCjUD0TDw4L5HrEo_2czYYtXK47tQFARbRMlr.J7TBQckN4UOb4xMl6Udepbh2PtnuVgohZu3wCgr4oJ8OVviVTukJlFJP6XKd6Ns66.hiWl39IgwplWTh42V3RDriLFgw8NPzQN8z39PMPl9riv5lIzy19qPMvfFwu8fzXdo8EF1tuIhoQxCed4_aP0NdyWTI2IC6nOLYnC_VWrcxuIh7qsMuJJGUUUtlidArccKICb1ZfahxkQFJVJvePSOOUM7NtmNKjJWR3RWbvgU0atRYVG0pOHJ1xrMzxGZro.GoDXyMQZAM3RHOrw_DJSUvd9xz9YN6Oh7g8lFU.vv5_x11WS_wgtEEQHMhuPt0VcaN4mcYQjXEwB6SAeGCb2zN6a.1IGnlCjFA2MUcRzXEGA4cbk8oQyf8lDGSEOzB2EyScKZsQErZ6AhMV0z_7EYSKNEAkMptE_RjxmV2McZX_6bUre60uV61veXAynjBx8wjFhrJft3oK8E5QyDlA0MBr_dVmtyK37UAdD5kXOpgxr.Q85f3vKGNZl_4MA3EZ6rYl.6Zr_hCBlAOKS1OdZErf6fTrKLfWdrYXGpT9fbUQGrZUslPmMHQfd.6bZWy2Md2WhnPtRGCxfE.n39j0RGbVUsq1ZTm3HDNddWOa6CjFoVh_8cjR6oIBvkVH3JnunB8GuBWvSleU5R9KKnBwqpbavnpG6JpxQmjKEoN37pFPU.fo2WM3EeP5ZOpEV9FkSD2O_rpLwfqbcmgA_zrrTI66PSTY93q4siPXXV3MpufK2zAi8gWwo5q6aBDLsTXeEJKbZdVkQWO5D6NscjXgGvpkC7TliQEw0aH7Ra2UhPlCEjfnLuAxs5p2TvvkPSV_cU76mucjcF3SaEzauRs5f.2EizF_g-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:43:25 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:43:25 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=6tpONmpj08j4R-QRdgCWtE7WLSbwUtfPka9nOlFWc3Ubew X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Citadel bankrupt? =C2=A0Sounds like come-up-ins to me! =C2=A0Ya reap what y= a sow!I HOPE they ALL end up in the hands of independents, and that evil co= rporate monsters are all slain before this mess can happen again. =C2=A0One= owner, ONE station, that should be a law, as should a first-phone-licensed= engineer and live local talent on the full-time payroll.G=C2=A0=C2=A0 --- On Tue, 12/22/09, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} Re: Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 1:17 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 The Dickey Brothers can't be far behind with their mismanagement of C= umulus, nor our ClearChannel (shutoff the stereo foes). Maybe some good firesale prices to individual owners again! Ho, ho, ho! John --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "Dick W." wrote: > > Interesting article. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kevin redding=20 > To: ABDX@yahoogroups. com=20 > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 6:32 PM > Subject: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy >=20 >=20 > Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy > By Catherine Tymkiw, producerDecember 20, 2009: 2:55 PM ET >=20 >=20 > NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Citadel Broadcasting Co., the third-largest ra= dio group in the United States, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy Sunday. >=20 > The company, which has stations in 25 states, listed liabilities of $2.5 = billion on assets of $1.4 billion, according to court papers filed with the= Southern District of New York. >=20 > Citadel has been saddled with debt for some time and it had been widely r= eported in recent months that the company could be headed toward bankruptcy= . >=20 > More than 60% of the company's secured lenders backed Citadel's pre-negot= iated bankruptcy, which will allow it to extinguish $1.4 billion of debt an= d convert its $2.1 billion secured credit facility into a new term loan. >=20 > Chief Executive Farid Suleman said in a statement that "business will con= tinue as usual" and Citadel would work hard to emerge from banktruptcy "as = quickly as possible." >=20 > The company said Sunday that it had reached a deal with its lenders to ga= in acess to over $36 million of cash plus cash flow from operations to help= it through the restructuring process. >=20 > According to Sunday's filing, the three largest unsecured creditors were = JPMorgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500) (with an unspecified amount owed), Wilmin= gton Trust Corp. (WL) (with a $49.2 million claim) and The Walt Disney Co. = (DIS, Fortune 500) (with a claim of $11.2 million). >=20 > Citadel had reported a third-quarter loss of $21 million and a 14% drop i= n revenue for the three months ended Sept. 30. The company's stock was deli= sted earlier in the year and last month Citadel warned, in a regulatory fil= ing, that it expected sales would continue to decline through the end of th= e year. >=20 > The company comprises 165 FM stations and 58 AM stations. Programming inc= ludes syndicated radio properties like ABC News Radio, The Mark Levin Show = and The Huckabee Report. >=20 > Citadel's attorney was unavailable for immediate comment.=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 22 17:08:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42489 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2009 01:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2009 01:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2009 01:08:11 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.121] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091222190712000552400010.0) with SMTP id <20091222190712000552400010> for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:07:12 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001301ca836c$9ee513c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <53786.71946.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:07:12 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=WLSpnDujKFc_4-iWoeZE1pW4C9dLkipxbDU1lowu6pxTLb9VXBb0 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CEO Farid Suleman is the biggest culprit. I also wouldn't mind if their stations were dispersed to more locally-based ownership, but your recommendations don't reflect current economic realities. An FM or single stick AM doesn't have near the engineering needs a big directional AM might have. If it weren't for the fact I had three stations to look after I wouldn't be employed full time in radio engineering. Insisting on full time or nearly full time live and local would kill all but the largest stations giving us fewer voices on the dial, not more. Randi Rhodes would be as gone as Mike Gallagher. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 6:43 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy Citadel bankrupt? Sounds like come-up-ins to me! Ya reap what ya sow!I HOPE they ALL end up in the hands of independents, and that evil corporate monsters are all slain before this mess can happen again. One owner, ONE station, that should be a law, as should a first-phone-licensed engineer and live local talent on the full-time payroll.G --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Dec 22 17:30:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81927 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2009 01:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2009 01:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2009 01:30:45 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.121] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091222193033000283600010.0) with SMTP id <20091222193033000283600010> for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:30:33 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001601ca836f$e2672720$d503fea9@stodd> To: Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:30:33 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: stereo processor needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=tD1-a4vbRbIJpT_Yxgxh-s1Xp3Sq_fOV9iW-rx6XZQylKN52PL6A X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's a station in Flint, MI that's looking for an AM stereo processor. The economy in Flint is worse than most places so they're running on a shoe string. Anyone know of one they could acquire cheap? Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Tue Dec 22 19:28:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53977 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2009 03:28:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2009 03:28:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2009 03:28:17 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KV300A0X5N3EJJ0@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:28:16 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <002201ca837f$f67d6a20$6700a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <001601ca836f$e2672720$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:28:15 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo processor needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=dvN_kx7n03eP3y3kAWCt7iU6VFpEy-dSXyo7zOOAwNrT_odsqfHzmLo X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Which station you're talking about ? What their pattern during critical hours ? Could it make to MTL during critical hours before a brutal powerdown at sunset ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds (MTL's West Island), PQ-QC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Wed Dec 23 09:19:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50956 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2009 17:19:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2009 17:19:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2009 17:19:22 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KV400MTI82BOW80@VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:18:13 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <001a01ca83f3$e775d070$6700a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <53786.71946.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:18:11 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=DHkfImQQmYy8IYABYfUdL-I3H6F7w1F9eQMJ2_lxUXQjibVNhFDZTkM X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's happening with WABC-770 ? Will it turn ON their awful IBOC crud after dusk as well ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Wed Dec 23 12:09:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48456 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2009 20:09:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Dec 2009 20:09:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2009 20:09:19 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44858 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Dec 2009 20:09:18 -0000 Message-ID: <565980.42690.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: jI0GL8gVM1lD9NEp1sqHTh87upggkWzGJzyjiF99N6qOvJ.gsqv9dLh_d8uH5PqRj643bd1GTgcKXYA0M3Yy0c1_lA6_cUyU_dOGjjtBE266NXEqDsJJr5EOCLXrkQoFGWllO9ztKFGmWLF8S8T_02DE5nWk_tDPK5pghb7_sdCum06LwCd9Cz1cQhReBAjtMU3uZ5KXstbGEN_qy9cJ_ClAMuRoyjloRobpbGqxRV7E9X5AKvS76YE_Nf2JY_sdl_REjBI_5aU5haInhfdS7rZcTS7XbrPOeZzwl8fIN.owSAI7cd0OJi4Zr3PFraeMjW8kh54GrJXjeRp35r1880XzqwlgusOe08hFQhApSSzmTsXirgZtrQGvNeflIUhtqdLXkKMLAStpLQih0GkYGgBWkp5y3akVnsUr5QlUEbhhQQFNWIQb6fHcbhWv3S5P00tde4iy6R8DzA7vnCaSNXZWZA8HpJbw6w1Oe1ouLtJuTK0F6VJSh0fubaK5Xz_nHAE04P0_FXQZ6SNG9BqHF9Diz8tH7GCM4GwjV2chBzStRzDa5wOVtp.LR5hqaBAMAUmBf38olWbvwjthNBcLuAzzWrN50Pdev8RDlpeDWDflkScJt99GaoN2Q7YQdXN_qjyjd_m0jsCudkomHh_2.VlfNsIqFZC7sMX2fPyDLpPYUGCPv84oa7KXx9ueJVn4Iyz7t4b0_5Hm9vfW5SCLhlooiWT9AtpjobgkRuNOItxNacpl6u0wKalBVDmxGvINdzZtqY2ut6rVm69iN59gBBLbKl1wVzInbReSeK7HvMu3nbnItleRcv0zmqb2vL_eHwgBI4dQcDKHEN.WVmc3lqhd_uQ5td2Ojl6Ds9I2dRUEvpDefzFtefrXEJig6H4ozvmsTq0SaBFumU2oyig_1gBfDqWZfG2VRi.PVlIe.SvVlco.zIdP1b.PbHnmgPuIR3cI2cJobd7jZLhbUQ0uSiuLwNFSWtY2SZr3Oaa1juFzhuHxsTXYM2AysUmMXFWjJjyk10Z4V3JGpGdELe7hIK3cc7sGVL8FEfc7O5s0H9ebkhbQ8jJ2p.KXkC9zwSuAXW0xwuMkvunOq4HqwlowiFPOKaikvSC50rNisxIHcigOHvPiWzFN4dgA_tBK539ZjSmcafA40VTXqY3gNLoL1fldhUAs1vJ3MDwywCH7eA7DKYKlH7coZHFOFDRGeWSPLI0GGuoQOLQkWTMXLNCTAla2Xbc3bcj8PjbOpC44XwUecuTdHDWdSukzXP207OxVcJY1Xat03wQxz4ruQtWIQrPwvpTrQNvMCMo_44w- X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:09:18 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:09:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001601ca836f$e2672720$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo processor needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=KbNCk4yNbikYoj3UeJheYyhMJrXkPwWGNP9LfkgHRfwVaoHKUeXf X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can check my weekend work which used to be A.M. Stereo.=C2=A0 I think the= y had a CRL Amigo but don't quote me on that.=C2=A0 You want the processor = & not an exciter, right? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Tue, 12/22/09, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: {AMSF} stereo processor needed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 8:30 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 There's a station in Flint, MI that's looking for an AM stereo proces= sor. The economy in Flint is worse than most places so they're running on = a shoe string. Anyone know of one they could acquire cheap? 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Stereo.=C2=A0 I thi= nk they had a CRL Amigo but don't quote me on that.=C2=A0 You want the proc= essor & not an exciter, right? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 --- On Tue, 12/22/09, scottn0bst@usfamily .net w= rote: From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net Subject: {AMSF} stereo processor needed To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 8:30 PM =C2=A0 There's a station in Flint, MI that's looking for an AM stereo processor. = The economy in Flint is worse than most places so they're running on a shoe= string. Anyone know of one they could acquire cheap? Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Dec 24 11:09:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31913 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2009 19:09:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2009 19:09:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2009 19:09:06 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.248] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091224130853000938300010.0) with SMTP id <20091224130853000938300010> for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:08:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003b01ca84cc$e82ae300$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <53786.71946.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001a01ca83f3$e775d070$6700a8c0@B> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:08:53 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=vTyIjpH67giqivfA9hggXiGQeGRmaLfIgITpU1Ae1dKTehw4gSpq X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would depend entirely upon their new owners, if any. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 11:20 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Fw: [ABDX] Citadel Broadcasting files for bankruptcy What's happening with WABC-770 ? Will it turn ON their awful IBOC crud after dusk as well ? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Dec 24 11:15:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94411 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2009 19:15:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2009 19:15:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2009 19:15:28 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.248] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091224131514001744300010.0) with SMTP id <20091224131514001744300010> for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:15:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005a01ca84cd$cb99d920$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <406043.38083.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:15:14 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo processor needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=9iwbVb7pcGMjV4Ehrnswo2-el1IoAOheaupg0v2PBLHsr_cXj-N5 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It isn't stereo now, but the person I'm communicating with works there and = knows they have a BE 1kW with the stereo card is sitting on a shelf, so all= they need is the processor. If they can get that they'll go stereo as the= y play a lot of music. They should probably get a stereo mod monitor too, = but one thing at a time. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo processor needed =20=20=20=20 Scott, what station is that in Flint? I live in the area, didn't know of= an AM Stereo still on the air. G --- On Wed, 12/23/09, JNR wrote: From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo processor needed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 3:09 PM =20=20=20 I can check my weekend work which used to be A.M. Stereo. I think they h= ad a CRL Amigo but don't quote me on that. You want the processor & not an= exciter, right? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 --- On Tue, 12/22/09, scottn0bst@usfamily .net = wrote: From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net Subject: {AMSF} stereo processor needed To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 8:30 PM =20=20=20 There's a station in Flint, MI that's looking for an AM stereo processor.= The economy in Flint is worse than most places so they're running on a sho= e string. Anyone know of one they could acquire cheap? Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Dec 24 11:26:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93623 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2009 19:26:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Dec 2009 19:26:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2009 19:26:55 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.248] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091224132621003117500010.0) with SMTP id <20091224132621003117500010> for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:26:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006501ca84cf$5895f600$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <565980.42690.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:26:21 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo processor needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=DKXss0z94HgVoy92gM_fpMXMOe-NalmQTlLpEMY36_oYEMR8Z5Bb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep- it's a BE with the stereo card on the shelf at the moment. Doubtless = they'll be interested in a mod monitor at some point too, but those were al= most universally retained when stations pulled the rest of their stereo equ= ipment.=20=20 Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo processor needed =20=20=20=20 I can check my weekend work which used to be A.M. Stereo. I think they h= ad a CRL Amigo but don't quote me on that. You want the processor & not an= exciter, right? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Tue, 12/22/09, scottn0bst@usfamily.net w= rote: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: {AMSF} stereo processor needed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 8:30 PM =20=20=20 There's a station in Flint, MI that's looking for an AM stereo processor.= The economy in Flint is worse than most places so they're running on a sho= e string. Anyone know of one they could acquire cheap? Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 24 16:39:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25978 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2009 00:39:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2009 00:39:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2009 00:39:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12108 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Dec 2009 00:39:32 -0000 Message-ID: <686378.12104.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 1vzyzvIVM1kFwkkfnIdm_ib_YMaj7TTeX5_KX59SOMHOOe._Tr5unH5fafZH9WAx.FwGWAGPHrNGhroIrX05VHalhOB2pF_R2oXPgl4XwveueEDMxEhT4CR4VYStk_d7sbU7N.amYWzxzFT6WPWhu_dukEPFn.WmiTIvUQEEQztdrAg_QMRcDZaeGAhBlhu8DqsVI9zQkJk5HB69JYEGDq_cOML3OrWWgyaWdDsjdK7ddtkFMNf9iqCWYjCe2p3RLZZvpuWM4wTUxDq5we8yS39MT7EqykqB13Q_ShocQurJF0VJga33DuqzDswUAP4ErFwLBLtv X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:39:32 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:39:32 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WLS CQuam Music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=27toNnKXPu4h_dKRg_qcnQBO5FtM0OluiV2623TOcLKI9yoQf6KslBU X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I had them in stereo for a few minutes, then at 6:15 EST, WCBS cranked in and messed-up my nice stereo music from WLS. Anybody else have any luck with WLS in stereo tonight with music? WJR has music, no IBOC, but no CQuam either. WSPD turned-off their IBOC and opened-up their bandwidth for their music, sounds decent, but no CQuam. I'll have to try CFCO tomorrow morning! Merry Christmas and 73's to all, John in Toledo From martinus.jap@gmail.com Thu Dec 24 21:08:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: martinus.jap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71424 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2009 05:08:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2009 05:08:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f179.google.com) (209.85.216.179) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2009 05:08:29 -0000 X-Received: by mail-px0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 9so6436608pxi.32 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:08:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.143.21.29 with SMTP id y29mr8161172wfi.175.1261717709247; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:08:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:29 +0700 Message-ID: <41e8f9f50912242108m37bcffd2kcdac06d22100e036@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MJ Subject: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=350528289; y=r6hxWbX8VSWEAEvXtMVvQxpmz8Ugp0JBihn2tYFipPk_ya9Iaw X-Yahoo-Profile: sennosmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Everyone, Merry Christmas i would like to inform you all that we have try to produce AM Stereo C-QUAM ( FM stereo included ) price : USD 100 ex-work for detail pls drop me email at : sennosmail@yahoo.com All the best , Martinus Jap SOLO 57131 INDONESIA Mob: : +62 815 772 5555 Fax : +62 271 631990 picture : as attachment [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Dec 24 22:27:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90560 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2009 06:27:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2009 06:27:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2009 06:27:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2009 06:27:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2009 06:27:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 06:27:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <406043.38083.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: stereo processor needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=e-9k_KbQgbkjeDwPg7_Zv_ykFht6ptm-fj_mAzIrAGsc3Rp6ZhvyTWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Back in 89/90, I was in Frankenmuth, and there was a ROCK station on AM in = STEREO in the Flint metro area - I think that there was still one or two st= ations still in CQuam when I was up there last about 5 years ago. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Scott, what station is that in Flint? =C2=A0I live in the area, didn't kn= ow of an AM Stereo still on the air. =C2=A0G >=20 From bratina501@msn.com Fri Dec 25 02:35:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: bratina501@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45494 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2009 10:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Dec 2009 10:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 2009 10:35:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2009 10:34:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Dec 2009 10:34:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:34:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601ca836f$e2672720$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 208.70.55.12 From: "nicholas" Subject: Re: stereo processor needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159178434; y=g6KdfVI8hNV2xLxJDkq8UIh-YZWYE-QFG1WSxRpQp_5gEdGO4g X-Yahoo-Profile: bratina501 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > There's a station in Flint, MI that's looking for an AM stereo processor.= The economy in Flint is worse than most places so they're running on a sh= oe string. Anyone know of one they could acquire cheap? >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > You could possibly get a refurbished Optimod 9100A or 9100B fairly cheap. T= here is someone I have heard of who is doing this under the approval of Bob= Orban himself and has posted video samples on Youtube featuring the refurb= ished processors (including the 9100A and 9100B) showing audio samples as w= ell. The sound quality as you would expect for analog Optimods is quite imp= ressive for both the AM and FM ones. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 25 17:45:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54739 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2009 01:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2009 01:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2009 01:45:51 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.11] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091225194540002958100011.0) with SMTP id <20091225194540002958100011> for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:45:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002301ca85cd$82819240$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:45:40 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo processor needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ie9SdH6WKWm2QxeWBhiEkKud-nFqW-JwjwWi7iriSvHyI97cR0bk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Probably the old Z-Rock format. Lots of them were AMS. One of the station= s I'm at now used to carry it in stereo as well. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: toledohamradio=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 12:27 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: stereo processor needed =20=20=20=20 Back in 89/90, I was in Frankenmuth, and there was a ROCK station on AM i= n STEREO in the Flint metro area - I think that there was still one or two = stations still in CQuam when I was up there last about 5 years ago. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Scott, what station is that in Flint? =C2 I live in the area, didn't kn= ow of an AM Stereo still on the air. =C2 G >=20 =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 25 17:50:19 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47799 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2009 01:50:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2009 01:50:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2009 01:50:18 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.11] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091225194952000159200011.0) with SMTP id <20091225194952000159200011> for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:49:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002e01ca85ce$1932d780$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:49:52 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: stereo processor needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=OENn9V0FqVDbJtNRYE8rFtOK3rSJEAIczeK58315eP1kzxtfNako X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got another friend who is looking for one of these too but stations don't seem too eager to let them go. Bill and Kim Sacks are the ones doing the refurbishing. I'd like to have the ones from all three of my stations sent in for this but I don't think they want to spend the money for it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: nicholas To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 4:35 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: stereo processor needed --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > There's a station in Flint, MI that's looking for an AM stereo processor. The economy in Flint is worse than most places so they're running on a shoe string. Anyone know of one they could acquire cheap? > > Scott Todd > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > You could possibly get a refurbished Optimod 9100A or 9100B fairly cheap. There is someone I have heard of who is doing this under the approval of Bob Orban himself and has posted video samples on Youtube featuring the refurbished processors (including the 9100A and 9100B) showing audio samples as well. The sound quality as you would expect for analog Optimods is quite impressive for both the AM and FM ones. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 25 17:52:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27768 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2009 01:52:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2009 01:52:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2009 01:52:45 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.11] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091225195225000491000011.0) with SMTP id <20091225195225000491000011> for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:52:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004d01ca85ce$743ea460$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <686378.12104.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 19:52:25 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WLS CQuam Music X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=z5Nv9_ygwxaJMCNCk3fRo04prAEDHP2SaDbXJJTVHr6Hk4KpBO5Z X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tuned them in at your suggestion and I can confirm the stereo music. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: K.T. radio list AMS 2001 Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: {AMSF} WLS CQuam Music I had them in stereo for a few minutes, then at 6:15 EST, WCBS cranked in and messed-up my nice stereo music from WLS. Anybody else have any luck with WLS in stereo tonight with music? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Fri Dec 25 19:10:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42186 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2009 03:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2009 03:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2009 03:10:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2009 03:10:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2009 03:10:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 03:10:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.111.68.250 From: "Kevin" Subject: Merry WCTChristmas 2009 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=p6V1YzaeIz0yAMWyXEIBXaxb7onGkty6jburJ_B41VwO4guhPA X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Best wishes for a happy and healthy holiday season and New Year to all the = devoted AM Stereo fans around the world! I thought I'd share some clips fr= om one station which still keeps the C-Quam flame burning brightly: 1450 WC= TC in New Brunswick, New Jersey. In fact, they sounded better than ever th= is year on my Denon TU-680NAB tuner in wideband AMAX AM Stereo! I taped 90= minutes of their Christmas music this afternoon, and created this YouTube = presentation out of some of the highlights for all to enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfVjXofT0xZU Here's how WCTC's Christmas programming sounded back in 1999 and 2000, as r= eceived on a Sony SRF-A100 and SRF-42: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DmZGFlko9MWA Regards, Kevin T. kevtronics@yahoo.com http://AMStereo.s5.com From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Dec 25 21:11:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10637 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2009 05:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2009 05:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2009 05:11:25 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.11] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20091225231057001053000011.0) with SMTP id <20091225231057001053000011> for ; Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:10:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009801ca85ea$30198220$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:10:57 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Merry WCTChristmas 2009 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=jK0FzV3HW593SyC-4i6xaUj92IoH_TdkirqVlx5gCVu2_svj3LNr X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IIRC that station is owned by Greater Media. I know they've put IBUZ on pretty much all their FMs. Glad to know little WCTC on the AM side of things has managed to escape that fate. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 9:10 PM Subject: {AMSF} Merry WCTChristmas 2009 AM Stereo Best wishes for a happy and healthy holiday season and New Year to all the devoted AM Stereo fans around the world! I thought I'd share some clips from one station which still keeps the C-Quam flame burning brightly: 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, New Jersey. In fact, they sounded better than ever this year on my Denon TU-680NAB tuner in wideband AMAX AM Stereo! I taped 90 minutes of their Christmas music this afternoon, and created this YouTube presentation out of some of the highlights for all to enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVjXofT0xZU Here's how WCTC's Christmas programming sounded back in 1999 and 2000, as received on a Sony SRF-A100 and SRF-42: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZGFlko9MWA Regards, Kevin T. kevtronics@yahoo.com http://AMStereo.s5.com --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Dec 26 07:40:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26623 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2009 15:40:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Dec 2009 15:40:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 2009 15:40:33 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.228.140.43]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KV900273NJF5YEU@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:40:29 -0600 (CST) Message-id: To: References: Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 10:40:31 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Merry WCTChristmas 2009 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=8K2u2Pht-IiI51nfy_uFcP9Bxd4ZrFjfM1-Udt4lxjGrNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also, if you sign in to YouTube, you can click on the right-hand star to give these videos a 5-star rating, and maybe even post a favorable comment. It would be a nice way of showing your support for AM stereo (and appreciation to Kevin for posting these). Best regards, Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 10:10 PM Subject: {AMSF} Merry WCTChristmas 2009 AM Stereo Best wishes for a happy and healthy holiday season and New Year to all the devoted AM Stereo fans around the world! I thought I'd share some clips from one station which still keeps the C-Quam flame burning brightly: 1450 WCTC in New Brunswick, New Jersey. In fact, they sounded better than ever this year on my Denon TU-680NAB tuner in wideband AMAX AM Stereo! I taped 90 minutes of their Christmas music this afternoon, and created this YouTube presentation out of some of the highlights for all to enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVjXofT0xZU Here's how WCTC's Christmas programming sounded back in 1999 and 2000, as received on a Sony SRF-A100 and SRF-42: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZGFlko9MWA Regards, Kevin T. kevtronics@yahoo.com http://AMStereo.s5.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 27 11:31:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39177 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2009 19:31:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2009 19:31:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 19:31:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2009 19:27:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2009 19:27:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:27:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Merry WCTChristmas 2009 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=n5M8Ogq2W9UwZr7isxOWWvcSejXgvEsUArK_EqHXCgNpL1UkQ0LlIT8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Comments posted - thanks - sounds great! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W." wrote: > Also, if you sign in to YouTube, you can click on the right-hand star to = give these videos a 5-star rating, and maybe even post a favorable comment.= It would be a nice way of showing your support for AM stereo (and appreci= ation to Kevin for posting these). > Best regards, > Dick W. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfVjXofT0xZU > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DmZGFlko9MWA > Regards, > Kevin T. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Dec 27 11:57:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20597 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2009 19:57:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Dec 2009 19:57:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 2009 19:57:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2009 19:55:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Dec 2009 19:55:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:55:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41e8f9f50912242108m37bcffd2kcdac06d22100e036@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=wKFDImO90Vwpg5IztsZY-iak2nEqER2Y0UeG8zQFC_xRWQdaLz6cDik X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I have posted a photo of this tuner in our group's "PHOTOS" section. Martinus, do you sell these on eBay.com or how can one get one? Thanks, John martinus jap" wrote: > Dear Everyone, > Merry Christmas > i would like to inform you all that we have try to produce AM Stereo C-QU= AM ( FM stereo included ) > price : USD 100 ex-work > for detail pls drop me email at : sennosmail@... > All the best , > Martinus Jap > SOLO 57131 > INDONESIA > Mob: : +62 815 772 5555 > Fax : +62 271 631990 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Dec 27 18:23:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54968 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2009 02:23:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2009 02:23:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2009 02:23:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2009 02:23:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2009 02:23:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:23:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.50.106.163 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Merry WCTChristmas 2009 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=_il4LBYUcE6_2RSj1kskrmcd2-wrMUYfh8_Zg3TwB8Du3L5NZQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Cool!!! Just a question: Where can I get a Denon TU-680NAB? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" wrote: > > Best wishes for a happy and healthy holiday season and New Year to all th= e devoted AM Stereo fans around the world! I thought I'd share some clips = from one station which still keeps the C-Quam flame burning brightly: 1450 = WCTC in New Brunswick, New Jersey. In fact, they sounded better than ever = this year on my Denon TU-680NAB tuner in wideband AMAX AM Stereo! I taped = 90 minutes of their Christmas music this afternoon, and created this YouTub= e presentation out of some of the highlights for all to enjoy: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfVjXofT0xZU >=20 > Here's how WCTC's Christmas programming sounded back in 1999 and 2000, as= received on a Sony SRF-A100 and SRF-42: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DmZGFlko9MWA >=20 > Regards, > Kevin T. > kevtronics@... > http://AMStereo.s5.com > From martinus.jap@gmail.com Sun Dec 27 19:57:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: martinus.jap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7895 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2009 03:57:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2009 03:57:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f172.google.com) (209.85.222.172) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2009 03:57:49 -0000 X-Received: by pzk2 with SMTP id 2so6719018pzk.26 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:57:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.142.5.27 with SMTP id 27mr9685748wfe.59.1261972656170; Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:57:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <41e8f9f50912242108m37bcffd2kcdac06d22100e036@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:57:36 +0700 Message-ID: <41e8f9f50912271957h5a1f7f9dwdf1d99c5b60fb44d@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MJ Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=350528289; y=TDwQ-kJMMy3A2AOdbltFBSP522sIMLRxTdIw0IjxYnhDS7Y-fA X-Yahoo-Profile: sennosmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John, thanks for your support to up load the picture to Photos section. by the way, i never use eBay before. pse advise me whether it is a simple way to access between seller and buyer? so far we using traditional transaction as buyer transfer wire money ( + bank charge $30 for below $1,000 of the transaction ), then we send the goo= d to the buyer after transfer confirmed. any suggestion, pse ? tnx agn fer ur support all the best 73 Martin On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:55 AM, toledohamradio w= rote: > > > I have posted a photo of this tuner in our group's "PHOTOS" section. > > Martinus, do you sell these on eBay.com or how can one get one? > > Thanks, > John > > martinus jap" > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , M= J > wrote: > > Dear Everyone, > > Merry Christmas > > i would like to inform you all that we have try to produce AM Stereo > C-QUAM ( FM stereo included ) > > price : USD 100 ex-work > > > for detail pls drop me email at : sennosmail@... > > All the best , > > Martinus Jap > > > SOLO 57131 > > INDONESIA > > Mob: : +62 815 772 5555 > > Fax : +62 271 631990 > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 27 23:57:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19915 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2009 07:57:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2009 07:57:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2009 07:57:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2009 07:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2009 07:57:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:57:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 71.155.144.127 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Merry WCTChristmas 2009 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=LuJVXyKCggibkpB84X84NwGkghPhX35FwMTOPeMJPut5wyt9jP0C4rsxa03lym1s5MCBHyq7 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W." wrote: > > Also, if you sign in to YouTube, you can click on the right-hand star to = give these videos a 5-star rating, and maybe even post a favorable comment.= It would be a nice way of showing your support for AM stereo (and appreci= ation to Kevin for posting these). > Best regards, > Dick W. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Kevin=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 10:10 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Merry WCTChristmas 2009 AM Stereo >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Best wishes for a happy and healthy holiday season and New Year to all = the devoted AM Stereo fans around the world! I thought I'd share some clips= from one station which still keeps the C-Quam flame burning brightly: 1450= WCTC in New Brunswick, New Jersey. In fact, they sounded better than ever = this year on my Denon TU-680NAB tuner in wideband AMAX AM Stereo! I taped 9= 0 minutes of their Christmas music this afternoon, and created this YouTube= presentation out of some of the highlights for all to enjoy: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfVjXofT0xZU >=20 > Here's how WCTC's Christmas programming sounded back in 1999 and 2000, = as received on a Sony SRF-A100 and SRF-42: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DmZGFlko9MWA >=20 > Regards, > Kevin T. > kevtronics@... > http://AMStereo.s5.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Kevin and all.That was very cool Kevin !!! Its to bad that thay don't pr= emote there AM STEREO more!!!Thank you again for a another year with your s= ite Kevin!!! Happy Hella Days and a Merry New Year!!!!Jim Smith NOR CAL From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Dec 28 03:52:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59991 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2009 11:52:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2009 11:52:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.230) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2009 11:52:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 57629 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2009 11:52:33 -0000 Message-ID: <317404.57625.qm@web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: d3FwPOkVM1kIR4pW1JFpovfvLWrR5TXjrJTVA3PJFlbp0RrxOrtkBxXSSwNez7DBBJtDRn4DeRtTNNW_pvhGZi7Hf9HIC3Yebr.mNq5XKCH0zJXcIN2R5j8niv1eJ.zU03EucQlMQDQb6e9za96jgJgZTVaQ8y7D46O4z3iILN7N_JOjfPteIv4C42coTRcaVKXAZYZy7XRjHJQAMO1o5_r5.ErWa7eksdQuQMjN_IHqfTQ8Oes54FUuEbX2M9SC01Q_R6FZwLaMsYDnfZXfpe9JKawCHd1UZiMILR5hvSWo_YRD3Q2y1yNUbS7zFyZUGHNt8KIW_SHr0a861AqaKVttuufprQPtnuRkuiNdB9ZVLnfPCJYeCRU7duFl26x6.dVWghiltLxwe9f1HJeFXDZP8lA1qsj4sNmxmpsgqjXbbhJO.T7BPXFhABAN6lePtcg7Bo3vgSvidU70JHWZ8J8_xm9M2gWqgno1SSxmS8ZwmvGHomrYRmTXaS.F_fD52hYRNFY9yPA.CmjDKBkZyIQdCHJlykmotrvLadnGfKOSDIFJ.Jbg5s6.WIXVQVzbRFY3vPF_yWdpX9XUjRmAOWO1vaTuKR7dABrO.tyIAiJMGapFhs4YoT25GruM.jud8lk8TG4IpelYVazVOvqfeDvnYzhw.z0frxr8Wh1f3O4.L94OW06MfDaNz_JRrgPVJD6W8jEMTlT1LEe5CTaGf3OOe4dR_hgII61uCDCwR6DFY1RXClkDJPvpGrDkyAvAdcIbVZAjnMi8YBxgecK7_BeVuNXdwEhReO7rFkB_E11a6toqojIwaFPBhvUz0yagb0G_dHwjRKagIrSBvpLlpVAefL_Qfh_fDy2CD5dHv7f19Ujpi7Lo.UwD03SdcT25eveun9KNGJO3wMoU.MrtEwVFdtwNKinulEvgDQeJrr0cxKdklecwUUzFS64Ji2LFgsa7pv0J8GzRSfQ8qvRfFCDijjCXsomHg2VRXfiqU2Zg2WdzBywBjw1WmRLrKfFWLfoMBD4J18uuDJinoNd1w2JC.V7KHAtexRPjQzI5G4j6Zue5c6aUyRoA6Ai4Sqxk4H.XcpdDBXejpDuI21rqJUdvJC_JZvWCZAqYBaXmHHj.fXjpnNyL6ey8xnpcf1E490H57rYwr2f8TgYV1nixYymibsPiqga0JdQ.8vaMeuzCUZT8Yxi_6Ebg07_LfVamT67NvABFpKyyHqALXlceUAQEjFtS7TRo1AEkGHT8.94_qx2Ry_wDpgFpmAqzZ.0_Zk2dZn2Vx1NtucgkkzDXSYy_Jta.e0IPH1qk.g-- X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54006.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:52:33 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:52:33 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <006501ca84cf$5895f600$d503fea9@stodd> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.230 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo processor needed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=1M35CfOTqys-v0-NMpmmmjNDL_gNUDrhcJvPhPMR1GfGYn12sBA8 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll ask my boss. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Thu, 12/24/09, scottn0bst@usfamily.net wro= te: From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo processor needed To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 2:26 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Yep- it's a BE with the stereo card on the shelf at the moment. Doub= tless they'll be interested in a mod monitor at some point too, but those w= ere almost universally retained when stations pulled the rest of their ster= eo equipment.=20=20 Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} stereo processor needed I can check my weekend work which used to be A.M. Stereo. I think they had= a CRL Amigo but don't quote me on that. You want the processor & not an e= xciter, right? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 --- On Tue, 12/22/09, scottn0bst@usfamily .net w= rote: From: scottn0bst@usfamily .net Subject: {AMSF} stereo processor needed To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 8:30 PM There's a station in Flint, MI that's looking for an AM stereo processor. T= he economy in Flint is worse than most places so they're running on a shoe = string. Anyone know of one they could acquire cheap? Scott Todd --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily = .net/mkt- freepromo. html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Dec 28 05:28:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95121 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2009 13:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2009 13:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173001pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.1) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2009 13:27:33 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([unknown] [96.228.140.43]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KVD00BGD6PVG7T0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:27:33 -0600 (CST) Message-id: To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:27:31 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Merry WCTChristmas 2009 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=qi6SL8nr_plPry81kLGAEG8bCPRfg9QmuyCgAxVYAjYmTg X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Once in awhile, a TU-680NAB will appear as an auction on eBay. These were= fantastic tuners, but be careful - a number of them were reported to be de= fective when new from the factory. I owned one, and mine worked fine (and = is still working for the new owner, several years later). But you may run = across one of the reported defective ones. Dick W ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Merry WCTChristmas 2009 AM Stereo =20=20=20=20 Cool!!! Just a question: Where can I get a Denon TU-680NAB? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" wrote: > > Best wishes for a happy and healthy holiday season and New Year to all = the devoted AM Stereo fans around the world! I thought I'd share some clips= from one station which still keeps the C-Quam flame burning brightly: 1450= WCTC in New Brunswick, New Jersey. In fact, they sounded better than ever = this year on my Denon TU-680NAB tuner in wideband AMAX AM Stereo! I taped 9= 0 minutes of their Christmas music this afternoon, and created this YouTube= presentation out of some of the highlights for all to enjoy: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfVjXofT0xZU >=20 > Here's how WCTC's Christmas programming sounded back in 1999 and 2000, = as received on a Sony SRF-A100 and SRF-42: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DmZGFlko9MWA >=20 > Regards, > Kevin T. > kevtronics@... > http://AMStereo.s5.com > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Mon Dec 28 05:46:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67684 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2009 13:46:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2009 13:46:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173003pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2009 13:46:14 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([96.228.140.43]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KVD0049T7KRL7E4@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:46:04 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <33D9B640B3674C168E08AA4C6AAAE3AD@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <41e8f9f50912242108m37bcffd2kcdac06d22100e036@mail.gmail.com> <41e8f9f50912271957h5a1f7f9dwdf1d99c5b60fb44d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 08:46:03 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464; y=FGQRyOhjnppP8XlZGHnJQVXEruCliGwZpooEfl764adBog X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Martin - I'm not an expert on eBay, but generally you register with them by creating an ID and password, etc. You then need to sign up with PayPal, which is the payment branch of eBay. In order to pay through PayPal, you need to either: 1. Register your credit card with PayPal; or 2. Register your bank account with PayPal. Unless they have changed the rules, PayPal will only allow you a limited number of times (or dollars) using your credit card with PayPal. Perhaps around $1000 U.S. Sooner or later, you'll have to switch to registering the bank account, which means that PayPal will be able to electronically directly deposit or withdraw funds from your bank account. I have used this "bank account" system for many years, and have never had any problem with it. For security reasons, use a different password for PayPal than you use with eBay. Before and after an auction, eBay provides you with links where buyers and sellers can email each other. Typically, the seller will email an invoice to the successful buyer. Many people wait until the very last minute to submit a bid, in order to try to avoid driving up the price of an item. This practice is called "sniping" (rhymes with "pipe"), which means bidding at the very last second. I hope this helps a little bit. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: MJ To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:57 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted Hi John, thanks for your support to up load the picture to Photos section. by the way, i never use eBay before. pse advise me whether it is a simple way to access between seller and buyer? so far we using traditional transaction as buyer transfer wire money ( + bank charge $30 for below $1,000 of the transaction ), then we send the good to the buyer after transfer confirmed. any suggestion, pse ? tnx agn fer ur support all the best 73 Martin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Dec 29 04:07:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11614 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2009 12:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2009 12:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2009 12:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2009 12:07:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2009 12:07:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:07:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.41.62 From: "pdmtr" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Merry WCTChristmas 2009 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=8MsDDJGAqylzzMjpoYGybmJ7a5rIrejaZP5yKt87gTY X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr I do have a TU-680NAB among many other AM Stereo tuners! The DENON TU680NAB= is excellent, BUT is not my first choice to suggest! The reason is that th= e tuner decodes AM Stereo signals ONLY when is set at AUTO tuning mode, whi= le at MANUAL tuning there is not even an evidence if the station you have = tuned to, is stereo or not! The loss of working at AUTO tuning mode, is tha= t the tuner mutes the audio and doesn't lock at signals lower than a real s= tronge IF level! So you can loose too many AMS stations that can be receive= d while doing a DX scan! The audio of the TU-680NAB is real good at WIDE ba= ndwidth mode, while at NARROW is not much better that any average low value= AM tuner! And at WIDE mode the audio bandwidth is not as full as at a CARV= ER TX11A that goes up full 15KHz! The DENON cutout audio from 12.5 and up!= =20 My best choice is the CARVER TX-11A tuners!!! There are the best I;ve worke= d with for AM CQUAM Stereo reception, regarding received audio quality, and= they do decode AMS regardless if you use MANUAL or AUTO tuning mode! While= the audio is by far better from them, the DENON TU-680NAB is for sure much= better, at sensitivity while both tuners are about the same at selectivity= ! CARVER TX-11A needs to have a real good antenna to provide a DX reception= . Another thing that I've found is that many TX-11A units need to be realig= ned to get a better sensitivity. Seems to me that many of them leave the fa= ctory without a proper aligment from start!!! as I've realigned more than 3= 5 pcs till now, and almsot all of them provide a better reception result af= ter that! So if someone wants a tuner that will be able to use it and at DX will have= to consider all the aboves before decides wich one is the best choice for = him.=20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Dick W." wrote: > > Once in awhile, a TU-680NAB will appear as an auction on eBay. These we= re fantastic tuners, but be careful - a number of them were reported to be = defective when new from the factory. I owned one, and mine worked fine (an= d is still working for the new owner, several years later). But you may ru= n across one of the reported defective ones. > Dick W >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jotape1960=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 9:23 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Merry WCTChristmas 2009 AM Stereo >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Cool!!! >=20 > Just a question: Where can I get a Denon TU-680NAB? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" wrote: > > > > Best wishes for a happy and healthy holiday season and New Year to al= l the devoted AM Stereo fans around the world! I thought I'd share some cli= ps from one station which still keeps the C-Quam flame burning brightly: 14= 50 WCTC in New Brunswick, New Jersey. In fact, they sounded better than eve= r this year on my Denon TU-680NAB tuner in wideband AMAX AM Stereo! I taped= 90 minutes of their Christmas music this afternoon, and created this YouTu= be presentation out of some of the highlights for all to enjoy: > >=20 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DfVjXofT0xZU > >=20 > > Here's how WCTC's Christmas programming sounded back in 1999 and 2000= , as received on a Sony SRF-A100 and SRF-42: > >=20 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DmZGFlko9MWA > >=20 > > Regards, > > Kevin T. > > kevtronics@ > > http://AMStereo.s5.com > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From martinus.jap@gmail.com Wed Dec 30 17:52:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: martinus.jap@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31667 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2009 01:52:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2009 01:52:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f192.google.com) (209.85.216.192) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2009 01:52:38 -0000 X-Received: by pxi30 with SMTP id 30so8103252pxi.14 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:52:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.143.20.40 with SMTP id x40mr4311865wfi.226.1262224358073; Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:52:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <33D9B640B3674C168E08AA4C6AAAE3AD@your4dacd0ea75> References: <41e8f9f50912242108m37bcffd2kcdac06d22100e036@mail.gmail.com> <41e8f9f50912271957h5a1f7f9dwdf1d99c5b60fb44d@mail.gmail.com> <33D9B640B3674C168E08AA4C6AAAE3AD@your4dacd0ea75> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 08:52:37 +0700 Message-ID: <41e8f9f50912301752j7e3d1a20k6ff5138da488fccd@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MJ Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=350528289; y=wa7NVmCnlZZHAwXPQS3nTxgN0xQW9m6BOCpgC3HmH5VecRnJpw X-Yahoo-Profile: sennosmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dick, thanks for your advise i'll consider that, hi... very best regards to you all and wishing a happy prosperous new year 2010 Martinus Jap On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Dick W. wrote: > > > Hi Martin - > > I'm not an expert on eBay, but generally you register with them by creati= ng > an ID and password, etc. You then need to sign up with PayPal, which is t= he > payment branch of eBay. In order to pay through PayPal, you need to eithe= r: > > 1. Register your credit card with PayPal; or > 2. Register your bank account with PayPal. > > Unless they have changed the rules, PayPal will only allow you a limited > number of times (or dollars) using your credit card with PayPal. Perhaps > around $1000 U.S. Sooner or later, you'll have to switch to registering t= he > bank account, which means that PayPal will be able to electronically > directly deposit or withdraw funds from your bank account. I have used th= is > "bank account" system for many years, and have never had any problem with > it. > > For security reasons, use a different password for PayPal than you use wi= th > eBay. > > Before and after an auction, eBay provides you with links where buyers an= d > sellers can email each other. Typically, the seller will email an invoice= to > the successful buyer. > > Many people wait until the very last minute to submit a bid, in order to > try to avoid driving up the price of an item. This practice is called > "sniping" (rhymes with "pipe"), which means bidding at the very last seco= nd. > > I hope this helps a little bit. > Dick W. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MJ > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:57 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted > > Hi John, > > thanks for your support to up load the picture to Photos section. > > by the way, i never use eBay before. > pse advise me whether it is a simple way to access between seller and > buyer? > so far we using traditional transaction as buyer transfer wire money ( + > bank charge $30 for below $1,000 of the transaction ), then we send the > good > to the buyer after transfer confirmed. > any suggestion, pse ? > > tnx agn fer ur support > > all the best 73 > Martin > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Dec 31 12:56:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24179 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2009 20:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2009 20:56:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2009 20:56:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17990 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2009 20:56:06 -0000 Message-ID: <979463.17472.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 2QyrZT4VM1ldbCE8oJVckkbtjMyYL6jybXQd5DJSwUBompgCT1W5iTtkoPImaDeZLhOo4Al2blrbFwZ1isP_0avXF2D8TQ1bSRacbYP_3SofYABgv..oIaTOZxmrZ.HM1UgfeTKsm9BCDPQujcafJReFg9fxF5qvJE7iPXIvwl7VnTbiTPOmKYDFHjpNG2oQR3I_FmEuYyOMzpqVnYccBdtCVx3PwxzGwhRyMMAPs96AqcLHJ.jvgnoK3fZErHXOMEUQIyvR7XfwBswS9316Sl78Vwh590GQ5JHvdKlwEecFqfSNeREcDqFipXf1UQuGRxGW7zN0uoKbCGjFMBUDR_o- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:56:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:56:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <41e8f9f50912301752j7e3d1a20k6ff5138da488fccd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=5_0tmlMpNZgG4LoJAieqSf9G9xpUMtyzF6LZAXOG9_z2sQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable May 2010 bring all of you peace, prosperity, good health, and an S-meter pe= gged on some newly-discovered distant C-QUAM station! Now, a few predictions for 2010... # An angry mob demonstrates outside WJR, forcing them to turn the C-QUAM ex= citer back on, at least during live ball games. # WLS finds 80,000 45-rpm records in the basement that they THOUGHT they ha= d gotten rid of, and an old fart like me shows them what a turntable is goo= d for besides turning pottery. # CKLW and XEROK becomes the Pop/Rock Voices of The North American Continen= t....again. # A top executive at Ibiquity is caught on tape admitting what a #$@%&# sys= tem IBOC really is, and says he wishes he had thought of CAM-D before Leona= rd Kahn did. #An un-disclosed pirate, uh, I mean "independent" station goes full time C-= QUAM and=A0Pro-Logic II, staging political arguments between five contender= s, each with their own audio channel, using classic quadraphonic albums fro= m the 70's for theme and bumper music. #George wakes up, quits dreaming the impossible, and thanks God for what we= DO have! Bueno Ano Nueve, my friends!!!=A0 =A0 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Dec 31 13:30:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59012 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2009 21:30:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2009 21:30:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f187.google.com) (209.85.221.187) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2009 21:30:04 -0000 X-Received: by qyk17 with SMTP id 17so5519223qyk.2 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:30:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.81.138 with SMTP id x10mr9393353qak.299.1262295003862; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:30:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.32.151? (dialup-4.154.32.151.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.32.151]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm13338257qyk.0.2009.12.31.13.30.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:30:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B3D17DB.1080606@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:30:03 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <979463.17472.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <979463.17472.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=pmUgTBJe4TLj3Z_sgeocNJcDG7w2CSvDWmuMpCBxITFaB_ITUs3qaJWA75rrOA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 george russell wrote: > #An un-disclosed pirate, uh, I mean "independent" station goes full time C-QUAM and Pro-Logic II, staging political arguments between five contenders, each with their own audio channel, using classic quadraphonic albums from the 70's for theme and bumper music. We Do have a Pirate running Kahn ISB that sometimes plays Pro-Logic compatible Quad LPs from time to time on 1620. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Dec 31 13:43:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11386 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2009 21:43:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2009 21:43:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112019.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.86) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2009 21:43:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12434 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2009 21:43:15 -0000 Message-ID: <281610.11903.qm@web112019.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: CCNu.scVM1muufXzWIYUk3593hlR5M63R9vBM_5fLeeWyGd54wG5wu6prOvshVqS6DO0Q3Xk_Q7WnMygIEQMB.7qV8Yo31JkCM2ytI1qVYxDoRnrQCbUKhidcDiT4tdVL4DDC7ePOa7666JkKccIesNNzrkZoSZqlne6goAoUxF53RXP5KFiL5Yum8ROe39_puPSaMcLy0Bp6wNHImnwkJ0SVCE7otDw602HCa21OUtrXj55dfcEQSxFVfcjzpcws.0_OYrg13r5zi4hnHvEiIdrelfWc6Ia1KY2.qCuPzDxlG4PcEdrCM_q0wg88A4Yzxg0ojOjeVyEyuOsqVSlRPq8p4tiwJKUZZMakSY5.Jlq9ZllkXIzWwJA6vxqx3cHnxyN0hncluEZiXXSJhgaOHLOzpXpyMn7pVRnAx75Q2qeFZ1GxfZRO8J__gR8BhahJUwiNPLuIdiVpY.ourg62A9CWnN.begVQQrjynodwwwFPeuTtsWC8s5o2933jRpxtnwf0Qwuc7mDjEQbIgvWjO43GqLStg1ompup_OwFbJu8wppiH0a2_3_2upftng-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112019.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:43:15 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <979463.17472.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B3D17DB.1080606@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:43:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B3D17DB.1080606@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.86 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=cWAcGllvYCt71aHGGOKUiRUhSzYrIUPTDTYYk1TN9lU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW And=A0just where IS this pirate?=A0=A0=20 Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 4:30:03 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted george russell wrote: > #An un-disclosed pirate, uh, I mean "independent" station goes full time = C-QUAM and Pro-Logic II, staging political arguments between five contender= s, each with their own audio channel, using classic quadraphonic albums fro= m the 70's for theme and bumper music. We Do have a Pirate running Kahn ISB that sometimes plays Pro-Logic=20 compatible Quad LPs from time to time on 1620. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Dec 31 14:19:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24164 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2009 22:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2009 22:19:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f201.google.com) (209.85.221.201) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2009 22:19:50 -0000 X-Received: by qyk39 with SMTP id 39so6425951qyk.27 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:19:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.86.223 with SMTP id t31mr9453130qal.267.1262297988958; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:19:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.32.151? (dialup-4.154.32.151.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.32.151]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm40530314qwi.47.2009.12.31.14.19.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:19:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B3D2384.9000308@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:19:48 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <979463.17472.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B3D17DB.1080606@gmail.com> <281610.11903.qm@web112019.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <281610.11903.qm@web112019.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=BxlYg2boRJGuAV-Av6B7aMEGDifiSegkV4El_09UEFQMUp7qe3Q_ZUsLYOoDng X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III wrote: > And just where IS this pirate? > I know NOTHING! I see NOTHING! I hear NOTHING! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Dec 31 15:15:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98473 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2009 23:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2009 23:14:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f173.google.com) (209.85.210.173) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2009 23:14:59 -0000 X-Received: by yxe3 with SMTP id 3so11876088yxe.20 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:14:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.110.23 with SMTP id i23mr28479039ybc.345.1262301299108; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:14:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from toshibauser (71-32-44-221.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.44.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm5992121yxd.71.2009.12.31.15.14.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:14:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002001ca8a6f$1248e310$4700a8c0@toshibauser> To: References: <979463.17472.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:14:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=XW5j3rQnjJjBLDQ-DNEqYovUHJoWJZSXefVC4f0u9V0T-AH-j7Ua X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like it kind regards Hank websiets, affiliate bisneses you can join,and contact information: radio station: coming soon personal sites, affiliate buisness sites you can join,and blog: coming soon online store: coming soon email addresses and messenger/social network info: hanksmith5@gmail.com main email: http://www.twitter.com/hanksmith twitter: hanksmith5 skype: hanksmith5@gmail.com msn messenger: ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted May 2010 bring all of you peace, prosperity, good health, and an S-meter pegged on some newly-discovered distant C-QUAM station! Now, a few predictions for 2010... # An angry mob demonstrates outside WJR, forcing them to turn the C-QUAM exciter back on, at least during live ball games. # WLS finds 80,000 45-rpm records in the basement that they THOUGHT they had gotten rid of, and an old fart like me shows them what a turntable is good for besides turning pottery. # CKLW and XEROK becomes the Pop/Rock Voices of The North American Continent....again. # A top executive at Ibiquity is caught on tape admitting what a #$@%&# system IBOC really is, and says he wishes he had thought of CAM-D before Leonard Kahn did. #An un-disclosed pirate, uh, I mean "independent" station goes full time C-QUAM and Pro-Logic II, staging political arguments between five contenders, each with their own audio channel, using classic quadraphonic albums from the 70's for theme and bumper music. #George wakes up, quits dreaming the impossible, and thanks God for what we DO have! Bueno Ano Nueve, my friends!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Dec 31 15:16:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44187 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2009 23:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2009 23:16:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f200.google.com) (209.85.210.200) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2009 23:16:06 -0000 X-Received: by yxe38 with SMTP id 38so11224685yxe.6 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:16:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.30.6 with SMTP id d6mr15277259ybd.140.1262301365971; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:16:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from toshibauser (71-32-44-221.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.44.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm6022665yxg.12.2009.12.31.15.16.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:16:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002a01ca8a6f$3a1491f0$4700a8c0@toshibauser> To: References: <979463.17472.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B3D17DB.1080606@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:16:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=d9Z2V6cPG5fGMzYa8kQDf-k67drfPg0flqjS5d1vo9EWV8tnO281 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can I get some samples of his recordings? kind regards Hank websiets, affiliate bisneses you can join,and contact information: radio station: coming soon personal sites, affiliate buisness sites you can join,and blog: coming soon online store: coming soon email addresses and messenger/social network info: hanksmith5@gmail.com main email: http://www.twitter.com/hanksmith twitter: hanksmith5 skype: hanksmith5@gmail.com msn messenger: ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted george russell wrote: > #An un-disclosed pirate, uh, I mean "independent" station goes full time C-QUAM and Pro-Logic II, staging political arguments between five contenders, each with their own audio channel, using classic quadraphonic albums from the 70's for theme and bumper music. We Do have a Pirate running Kahn ISB that sometimes plays Pro-Logic compatible Quad LPs from time to time on 1620. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Dec 31 17:54:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43576 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2010 01:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2010 01:54:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2010 01:54:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 60508 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2010 01:54:44 -0000 Message-ID: <710121.60462.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pa56hr8VM1lgF5MuO7ytkNS9GsO7nUTgLGdD16LBpN6vewYqR9WnHvrL_cuLRxlrfsC7Ep8jPYYXvMd7xJxZ.ovwK1L5092qI75f6FypTdYBOQ7cNueska6jtkRdbf8OQ8TsiF_jMjk66CdioGjtO_SbAO2pnQjFGub.K1cUKoeSWTtpVsJ2u2ChzKCvpMRGJ5ICFtPum1YHCW8rBbN5gqxdv1ruFvCzq5U8fenvnDJwM38lB2eB6Ppo34MNnQnQAgTwmlHXE6LXtdHmByRg04p85GCcsuDgLRmnOELIlxp3PfaK8mw9WXYVq4a7dDTqykynsNlWRGhI4xegoQZfKULOCOCPk7Voajcz1Pc33MbnC48B9JLG6MvB.LTVwF6HUmRrMKTpLb5RVUhaRw_6j9ZRb3pC4YxV0Ne4_nSwKzezIVBEHQszUO4v2LVKeRlN2fi5O8wpPBHR7gEku9rYpjUWv2PO3wCJRK1SvjCV2gM7gw9kdMTHgX6fL9_ujyCQUzS.dyq3EoMJxxh_a1eKPUwBopfG6Y4Gjz._swfZpbo7V.Bb6tBLSx0YKN.fY6KcZf5AhF6gPrbod.FOO.Kf6tzMl3jjImxCVvf8YHcQ5UeEllm9TH_4E1zHMIJQeBf0x__7zPHrj4VD5n_qihhEELyCkrc2wS7jHXkoBLRTMiJs9IzQDeAxaZZuHsoSY7zjIuh_KIb6r3CktZncV1UGydMahVbyffXe1CdRs04DVV55EUP8floZDbEcrk4brxW60739oMK9kJ9kpPk5pIFh3WyQR8JVSOO9h6S6_VcA.xAHyVlt38d1m0Kw9E5JT.vzfKQyXtTkuLERZ1cZ3HrlpYVuzZTyCM4H7RcEvyuM3LmaU88ciZKdIaoom.IvMRuVZLQJnbJlSnQ4sDp6cXV.Q4yBCrRyId1LN4YQi.ZRZfLj596K_7InVRApyJPxZ.9vo.OAhs7xPH6QI5ByhjWRl4Ch9dqbO48VvCnVx5ua.iYx5D75XunLJ_FU.8Zxqe6q1qKB39H05UZN0msy6sFJtWcuillHQmxjqQy2nM_O.4YCCfjJIClTw0Xlm2_ilqcwCd5ljo8UYmFew6IlOTZi4Hdc_aKAWcBsdtrbCC318A4C8cZvLiCPsa19VixWOE8p74nnKBgzz4kT541cZJTmfU6KHjDIBG4ai76ODSWAClg_vg1qQuzrEcz47E21.t7NHuGNJXPkBhTLBHKUsp9HGnK6HRNYkUU8uzF_P0IpGH4MOv67VnG.UiYB8h_PDg-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:54:44 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:54:44 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B3D17DB.1080606@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=58svYVWjz8pZ87AqRtPUn34BrKGPyR-dR43fbmXYMlQF5A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable REALLY? =C2=A0I'd love to hear his station. =C2=A0I do hope he keeps the le= vel lower than for stereo, though. Any sounds in the rear channels result i= n L-R exceeding L+R, and dead-center rear is ALL L-R, and no L+R. =C2=A0I c= an only imagine how that would fall apart on C-QUAM, maybe that is why he c= hose ISB? =C2=A0Anybody got any recordings of him, in stereo, that I could = decode myself and see how they sound? You have REALLY got me curious now!G --- On Thu, 12/31/09, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 4:30 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 george russell wrote: > #An un-disclosed pirate, uh, I mean "independent" station goes full time = C-QUAM and Pro-Logic II, staging political arguments between five contender= s, each with their own audio channel, using classic quadraphonic albums fro= m the 70's for theme and bumper music. We Do have a Pirate running Kahn ISB that sometimes plays Pro-Logic=20 compatible Quad LPs from time to time on 1620. :-) 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Dec 31 20:38:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11910 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2010 04:38:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2010 04:38:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f200.google.com) (209.85.221.200) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2010 04:38:53 -0000 X-Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38so5758820qyk.25 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:38:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.83.136 with SMTP id f8mr9548317qal.86.1262320732979; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:38:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.34.131? (dialup-4.154.34.131.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.131]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm13661423qyk.9.2009.12.31.20.38.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:38:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B3D7C5A.20701@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 23:38:50 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <710121.60462.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <710121.60462.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=AP1vCjmSdDNspx2lzPfVs0Dlqe_wy1zVtSdaQ5S8U1ixKLJyXLYgOyGeUKXWOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 george russell wrote: > I can only imagine how that would fall apart on C-QUAM, maybe that is why he chose ISB? Yes, it is not a problem in Kahn ISB. Also Matrix Quad passes though Kahn Good N Loud Processing and Kahn ISB Stereo and will still decode on Dolby Pro-Logic Chips perfectly. :-) -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 01 13:47:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90306 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2010 21:47:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2010 21:47:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2010 21:47:49 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.175] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100101154211003058200010.0) with SMTP id <20100101154211003058200010> for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:42:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <009101ca8b2b$b2035d60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:42:11 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Merry WCTChristmas 2009 AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=B5tg5GFYFj9vgLmtKmyChAhCHEroQDC2IZnO9QSB_RL2MimYWO73 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And that extra bandwidth is a waste as stations are now restricted to about 10kHz. I am interested in getting one of those Carver tuners, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: pdmtr To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:07 AM And at WIDE mode the audio bandwidth is not as full as at a CARVER TX11A that goes up full 15KHz! The DENON cutout audio from 12.5 and up! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 01 14:06:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51110 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2010 22:06:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2010 22:06:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2010 22:06:50 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.175] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100101160614002198700011.0) with SMTP id <20100101160614002198700011> for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:06:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010f01ca8b2f$0e4f9220$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:06:14 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=a7hSmyAnoX3DN_oG7MOUZf0moq_avqIflRS8HHTg-s1jWAv-AVGp X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's one great looking tuner. If it performs as good as it looks I'll start setting aside some money to get one. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted I have posted a photo of this tuner in our group's "PHOTOS" section. Martinus, do you sell these on eBay.com or how can one get one? Thanks, John martinus jap" wrote: > Dear Everyone, > Merry Christmas > i would like to inform you all that we have try to produce AM Stereo C-QUAM ( FM stereo included ) > price : USD 100 ex-work > for detail pls drop me email at : sennosmail@... > All the best , > Martinus Jap > SOLO 57131 > INDONESIA > Mob: : +62 815 772 5555 > Fax : +62 271 631990 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 01 15:45:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4760 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2010 23:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2010 23:44:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2010 23:44:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 45637 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jan 2010 23:44:47 -0000 Message-ID: <343746.44693.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hFFJq8MVM1lJ4Vv1tmu_PF8SSfyGZNrFYd6mBlpHA095rx3eELxbSHO1NIY2MeubI56IA9JUcEU717a5etZUqItDf7LyXEGPRMGJ0YBCBiMEjBvVzXA3QKC.kvu41IGa3vNkAIvyFVxPdpMR.qzio1FZgutXlWSaIKgH_CFZ6DXnrj5kKytWrHbK0Ogax20yl_pMgqM1GzfXBxDviuF8RjuWx2fT.2P4x8gC6fnAcOds8pY9o6ZraWwyn3HkM8Fv.W_pr3gg_xUiR6D1zXnVm3i.2f4Kq1fiI44gM3GfzMwvfbN.UPkMt1mta8HPMeZTWlynJWMx712QbKD7FScF.KT.NSAmW4RG4waeLj8hNm6SLeAwzOIz9.Pk23fnNCty7tHugh7aTxwP62nLMtiJYdPNl_670Qzd0agamy5UR17kQshJtkAeewCpFY6ZvDjwcMlKA9k8ewQEC.O9qjSO5wTTtg1f2Y_Gh._hLGkAH5VPSMQfejZ.xUQReDW0tj2DweZbHSOnCqg8XXHePzjt506UY0PeeAtZSx__5ceExp4dPPY.luDnoyJGA7CNrNYt5jfBdlaGuPSuPthAlgOjuQJzClwgGKiQyfhwlGr85qe99_q.rNFup3CY8kzj4UslfrWNvm1sCx5HTNI45.btHOJtCafUquhaqBRzDFpZPchY7sruLPMwpDuxiG9I3ZAfKgIIjagncuWk3FlUjXLieKtXcwvJMlival_XYixDMQjmex4PLMX.y.YBFBDPbMWw_dTsYKK5_ia0QNvmm3.Ep.6d8FCJOKG75ZI7PAZm7o0e_TBh48buuRlF6cjvuwt3D0quqmqEclrwoIxWJ71h5._ieH7he_JLmNc0dUITvedlOJHxrzCoRwHod8_W7cXFk6U6VPXu8n3PV_Az_XrSJwdZhREqT3DE.PG43H4O2aBpaumsjbtkWOh8Mc3F7Bm3Q5eMU0BYrN3QCkzJZ98IpxX9EoEDY8i2awl8Pu8or0.p5JYl.fq1k9CV3j4zxyjTkIe5f1n_A2ut21FwN9ynIBJiHpjjE1HZ_H9td4wPOVMspfn6fp35a3ntdBs66iAHbUBCteGW_aLF8KZKh5eFsfkpSXMNWszfxKriDqTTjr72UGF.8gyN1kox1DNABhYfCi3BU3hYXxo0vYy0OFGo_J7Z_cAVSP3iv_q9aE6tDpj56jNjbE0VdttayjE6gx_uhragwgT1JP_bA9Xouawf7zNTTWNWI1szv.52iGaXMX2E7AQxVGh5lfbMkFdDhlr.pd9mEFS3 X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:44:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:44:47 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B3D7C5A.20701@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=RVDgoUGnsGBCpP8xvRuDceItKgS2YSK4-jAJBCzumuqNlg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool! =C2=A0I'd love to hear his operation...what area is that station in?G --- On Thu, 12/31/09, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 11:38 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 george russell wrote: > I can only imagine how that would fall apart on C-QUAM, maybe that is why= he chose ISB? Yes, it is not a problem in Kahn ISB. Also Matrix Quad passes though=20 Kahn Good N Loud Processing and Kahn ISB Stereo and will still decode on=20 Dolby Pro-Logic Chips perfectly. :-) --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Jan 01 15:53:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19389 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2010 23:53:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2010 23:53:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2010 23:53:59 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 9so2668813qwb.25 for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:53:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.78.162 with SMTP id l34mr9974619qak.260.1262390038707; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:53:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.37.65? (dialup-4.154.37.65.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm14256395qyk.0.2010.01.01.15.53.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:53:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B3E8B11.6080204@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:53:53 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <343746.44693.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <343746.44693.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=xHep_rUr8Fb5RSEbocr4tNJGmLQDlCj44-XNrgRL8TfTWm-_PnHpbEMHhUBRmw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 george russell wrote: > Cool! I'd love to hear his operation...what area is that station in? It is in Northern GA -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mtgc@hotmail.com Fri Jan 01 20:15:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25693 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2010 04:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2010 04:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s21.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.224) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2010 04:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W65 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s21.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 1 Jan 2010 20:15:46 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 23:15:46 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B3E8B11.6080204@gmail.com> References: <343746.44693.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,<4B3E8B11.6080204@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2010 04:15:46.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[425B8370:01CA8B62] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=8D-0jgiMMM46DfkmuwrOlCAujzzG9Q3kb3LiIV2bgPrEoF_dh7AP X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frequency? =20 MTGC (Michael) =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: kj4hyd@gmail.com Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 18:53:53 -0500 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted =20=20 george russell wrote: > Cool! I'd love to hear his operation...what area is that station in? It is in Northern GA --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Jan 02 10:57:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16063 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2010 18:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2010 18:57:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f204.google.com) (209.85.221.204) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2010 18:57:43 -0000 X-Received: by qyk42 with SMTP id 42so4286554qyk.16 for ; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:56:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.107.210 with SMTP id c18mr10259711qap.137.1262458603286; Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:56:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.37.41? (dialup-4.154.37.41.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.37.41]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm44721799qwk.41.2010.01.02.10.56.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:56:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B3F96E2.3050104@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:56:34 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <343746.44693.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,<4B3E8B11.6080204@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.204 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO C-QUAM TUNER-Photo Posted X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=bseLrGENRad-aa3704iGtLopQyNQr7UXT-_IR61wzU-u0I7K7-KmGKGiJmoYhw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: > Frequency? > 1620 kHz -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sun Jan 03 19:38:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90930 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2010 03:38:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2010 03:38:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.14.95) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2010 03:38:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36973 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2010 03:38:50 -0000 X-Received: from adsl-75-7-82-37.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net (jimsmith95650@75.7.82.37 with login) by smtp110.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jan 2010 19:38:50 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: Sh71eK0VM1nRn6CQSQmPxaipjrdqun_5_nOQAFoiWg5q7XnIM8O0KRlClACXpr7y.4jc2_7BgaEHMdZzYBHmZolBsO4yx5EZt883HSsiOaEeVJImO.HyGVTmNRg0qG1aL_L2lUACc.4NIigSs.WyW19A_5Q5rVigMyurOLXq9zCnGP7y9ynqEESF9wkKlVPoEPTK8wkLwtASAeoIpP.ylVzaLwZz4d2IBTGqVuglbVbF5v_MsrWp2DfWnboJzY_M X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000801ca8cef$6e5ad780$dcc1fea9@jimjp19dnmlpi1> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:38:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.14.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: KENC AM 1620 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=1e2HXnYzSoIdCRdl_g0J82L_M1t8GwOw7Q00lnShQ_RGZWqacxGDAexXwYk5iWuD02REbYMs X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I have been seeing Ken Cartwrights site and the FCC has grated him back to old ground wave statis with his Parts 15 100mw station at 1620 AM . I have e-mailed him about this site and he said that no one can aford any new radios. So i re-e-mailed him back and told him about the decoders as a cheaper optoin. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Jan 03 21:53:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52024 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2010 05:53:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2010 05:53:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2010 05:53:16 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o045qZFk000542 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:52:35 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d0b.6288d737 (37047) for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:52:32 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.141]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB035-5c504b41821738d; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:52:29 -0500 X-Received: from magic-m01.mail.aol.com (magic-m01.mail.aol.com [172.21.172.72]) by smtprly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA026-5c504b41821738d; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 00:52:23 -0500 Message-ID: <109f5.79c92759.3872dc17@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:52:23 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.172.72 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} KENC AM 1620 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=MCS8QiVjkn0fRzlj6FTPpJe5zFHKEHyh1UTXbKaxyC6TXW57kfOaPa0y4CtiMSPp X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Read Mr. Cartwright's message. Glad to hear things worked out. It is unusual in that in my experience, the FCC field engineers are generally pretty sharp and reasonably cooperative. The field strength requirement issue is a pretty straightforward reading of the regulations. Assuming the transmitters meet the alternate qualification, it isn't required. With that said, there is something strange going on. No antenna I know of could produce the field intensity measured with any transmitter having only 100mW input. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Jan 04 01:57:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21908 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2010 09:57:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2010 09:57:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2010 09:57:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2010 09:55:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2010 09:55:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:55:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.83.251 From: "pdmtr" Subject: UK AM STEREO historic item at Ebay! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=1zertIm46bk9GDp_qjoAczsOJI1RLf9rsOk1IcxapDI X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr UK AM STEREO historic item at Ebay!=20 See (and read the description also) a unique AM STEREO radio, that was made= for CQUAM tests at UK!=20 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D200424402958=20 Happy New year to all...=20 From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 04 04:13:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51686 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2010 12:13:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2010 12:13:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.184) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2010 12:13:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25766 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2010 12:13:06 -0000 X-Received: from adsl-75-20-191-63.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net (jimsmith95650@75.20.191.63 with login) by smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Jan 2010 04:13:06 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: lthvG5YVM1mendiqEYNlCfyYcmZs5zsriSB9LLmadNqyWhOd2C7sN5Pktl4a3MqxgINOFErqmtCd40tJ1h0F0VwjdjoV3fB7KZfxppwliBAP8_9jlXVJb.Ke_AeI7lKLpQXIOWYIDncEyDOYkfjB0GoPUSaj8qw8UtW2Plmc3HmOEeOdSf01Wq3qUIBoe1UYwBm_XeiF5ykfGmDvli_ICP7YpgXbzbRs1PbNNmsqkC3bDxvb01L0rhbBwJT1DI8- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000801ca8d37$4581e9a0$dcc1fea9@jimjp19dnmlpi1> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 04:13:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Dose any one know? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=UIl4-UfLjqHfWiV3zNgVgSQcvZkHU6FXOmYhzziUC0HEU1X3p7Tl-0rSY3jUhPcNVdehyjy8 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Dose any one know who made that new AMAX tuner? It looks good and even rack ready!!! Jim Smith MONO country!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 05 06:19:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22880 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2010 14:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2010 14:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2010 14:19:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2010 14:16:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2010 14:16:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:16:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: UK AM STEREO historic item at Ebay! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=KDShW21lhRIsNp_vcllFTnv5VNKerVhmGjEkuOgIW9SZLq1Tz-ze4PE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio This is what US/Canadian AM stations should have done: given out as prizes = fixed frequency AM Stereo tuners to promote the new technology. Wonder how they changed the receive frequency internal to these units? I always saw them listed as an available item from Motorola, but never knew= anybody actually gave them out. Happy New Year everybody, John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > UK AM STEREO historic item at Ebay!=20 >=20 > See (and read the description also) a unique AM STEREO radio, that was ma= de for CQUAM tests at UK!=20 >=20 > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D200424402958=20 >=20 > Happy New year to all... > From stevesebastianb@yahoo.com.hk Tue Jan 05 06:25:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: stevesebastianb@yahoo.com.hk X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90098 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2010 14:25:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2010 14:25:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2010 14:25:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2010 14:22:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2010 14:22:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:22:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 219.77.77.250 From: "stevesebastianb" Subject: Hello from the Far East. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=121358530; y=0G8o-5USB94-H_C0cU6w1lSBCcUC5z-2Fg81NXZz5TG3t9OseXlmx54Z X-Yahoo-Profile: stevesebastianb Hello, New to the group, I'm located in Hong Kong and we have 3 AM transmitters he= re which unknown to many have C-Quam Stereo transmissions. I am currently looking for a Realistic TM-152 tuner and if anyone has one i= n good condition that they are willing to sell, please let me know. 73 Steve, VR2XMQ From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Tue Jan 05 10:51:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35807 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2010 18:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2010 18:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2010 18:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2010 18:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2010 18:49:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2010 18:49:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:49:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801ca8cef$6e5ad780$dcc1fea9@jimjp19dnmlpi1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 69.168.51.10 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: KENC AM 1620 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=wqXcl0nnB-73qdpQqDivSBgr0xU89pVg1uKIj5yK2QvtfhRo-vra_RE7 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon So, Ken Cartwright is thinking of broadcasting AM Stereo on KENC?? That wo= uld be cool. It is good to see that he was allowed to go back on the air. = I am not clear, though, on whether in the end, he was allowed to ground hi= s transmitter to the tower. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Hi Gang I have been seeing Ken Cartwrights site and the FCC has grate= d him back to old ground wave statis with his Parts 15 100mw station at 162= 0 AM . I have e-mailed him about this site and he said that no one can af= ord any new radios. So i re-e-mailed him back and told him about the decode= rs as a cheaper optoin. Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 06 07:48:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13612 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2010 15:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2010 15:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2010 15:48:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2010 15:48:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2010 15:48:33 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:48:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.35.136.44 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: KENC AM 1620 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=0HB-WOz3vszXfbV-MCQsQehfNhGdnQWdD1emM503QkhQwKq7Qr2eo8b1LbC8HCbVsbL6q7pl X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "AlfredoT" wrote: > > So, Ken Cartwright is thinking of broadcasting AM Stereo on KENC?? That = would be cool. It is good to see that he was allowed to go back on the air= . I am not clear, though, on whether in the end, he was allowed to ground = his transmitter to the tower. >=20 > --Alfredo >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I have been seeing Ken Cartwrights site and the FCC has gra= ted him back to old ground wave statis with his Parts 15 100mw station at 1= 620 AM . I have e-mailed him about this site and he said that no one can = aford any new radios. So i re-e-mailed him back and told him about the deco= ders as a cheaper optoin. Jim Smith > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Al I sugested it to him but he said that there is no one to hear it. I = sugested to him to let his listers know about this site and other. Jim Smit= h From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 06 19:06:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78237 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2010 03:06:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2010 03:06:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 03:06:22 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0736FVU023829 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:06:16 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d62.4e52405c (37568) for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:06:12 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB045-5bbd4b454f9e19b; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:06:12 -0500 X-Received: from magic-m23.mail.aol.com (magic-m23.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.196]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA034-5bbd4b454f9e19b; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:06:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3e285.675e8b4c.3876a99e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:06:06 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.196 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KENC AM 1620 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=fbxLIgJFmHUUXIRoZrxNxKptksAicqpSPrXAl20N0vpyIH8jQySkMlOBL7gjUaZZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, Do you know how he has transmitter connected? Telco? Private line? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Jan 06 19:40:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12566 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2010 03:40:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2010 03:40:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f195.google.com) (209.85.210.195) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 03:40:04 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yx0-f195.google.com with SMTP id 33so30095018yxe.0 for ; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:40:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.166.2 with SMTP id t2mr31563679ano.9.1262835603933; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:40:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from toshibauser (71-32-44-221.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.44.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm8550325yxg.50.2010.01.06.19.40.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:40:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003b01ca8f4b$1a9f09f0$4700a8c0@toshibauser> To: References: <3e285.675e8b4c.3876a99e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:40:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KENC AM 1620 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=_taCBreGknDwq9tQ-0kX1OCkObtOZCMNrWg1kQW7QXDTit0nA3hh X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how would you connect transmitter to telco? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KENC AM 1620 Jim, Do you know how he has transmitter connected? Telco? Private line? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Thu Jan 07 02:52:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4502 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2010 10:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2010 10:52:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 10:52:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98372 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2010 10:52:52 -0000 Message-ID: <482175.98365.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: OUQz1moVM1mL2rujNPismX6o8vx_G7i1P40FnW8cgswBDvs_siHzbOmLjWevtDC05xkXu5TY_ShDuQO3gvrywEEpAg.FX2hQWosEmJHjQDAon61uzvJZNB_jnemdPBNdr_.u_ox8Mlm_oOcnDYmwIiPF4Yfj5lwRrKKJQ0cnqv5.aDZDqndJx6DUWmuEhs0V1nGXIQjOb4KOOwGR0KzE4O8Df9DwQgoCRncgkRfWwR92gEeJlDtMY4Y9hh..rbo9CNvZLxsFw7_YGqKGBm5e8Fd6.ugNgy.129Zs.eD36b9TFQSxOySi4oXsnJESpOucp0YaG5xn_77yMmsTMqkHEfn4vcId415.xEQZHtZVaBs.IPs3aNy2cCHzXI8cJD.i5yGmH4oItxxdou1SW9CLSV9YJ74BH2CSGQ6kRG1nJa4tSXVBLDJzXpVokzslhBqVr1kPIYpmphhHds.kOPpsmGKW_1AjsNAYaq430asAejGgV8fbIG7JzImacOPM6ZxfBhYxq5kHT1rs6M3DkIHpvq89xcx2Ua7BPNBGzH0imtKZn5iDnU6Tx95qF_T8KC.B2AshexCUVB0UbSHtoIdyySzgZcn82Q9PMDnF4azNpP2QN8n_DNKsvjOgNK_Ecw41XOxD79LX.0Qps9I7SwuUp4EQkOWh.8OgAXk1YFkoN3NM.1I09I5Hoby_CQCok7oLG2m.4.2wfjUnJKgGrwzsq7dqXYN2w1mhu16F_TRuKmwQLRDEIDxbBG79SJf.Fpuyz866EfguZKIdv_k2kLvD4LPa396n3H2MLMTTtY1mLYAyeBbE9izV0hLpNp9IHn__hOdlRQp9vBFWMj0gr8thpV34QHyMdRE59l7PI.q9Y8szt0DS5OGS4bRPK7J4abRAJAdEbOkpzinja_R3v4xOOBoqi8g8Gw6PKSAIjlDctsSpGGGQCLyOFl6xXDaekDIBXN1iuYrrkwRxVKu9QD4JYLl0ytlarWEWQ_2HCiRpCb4O8PY1KAL6AxKs88HU9UGZvN1SXv1NXmZ..Ac2WOQjepnzn4rMH2TQP0YXH87A9a_SkROt1ynBtW8WhPKKJGl.zUyBtXEiBZ5DnXKERdYnIuqZmDL6BWczj4LAZujS3eNZmaaT_0CKo0nNaFevMDvl08TLkHXVKxYqrKWf79jHzQC8iO0EUJNsph5YWUk95Ki2B.RhXQSUT5L38iiKySPMKh1yYx9IN_Q6AFHnnvry74fZcEX8WPnSSMWYAHPchfCtsBoLbDl3Y0u6PDpSHEuI9Tu6o6AETli6X4fT93TEJB7ZHWh5eBdiC_zl9xa4 X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:52:52 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:52:52 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003b01ca8f4b$1a9f09f0$4700a8c0@toshibauser> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KENC AM 1620 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=YUHEgKLRkkHSY1_pIfreAItD5JBWqTZS-M-Ctf0DqnSLo1cWHzox X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think he means either A. the audio hookup, B. remote control, C. both. 73, Jay --- On Wed, 1/6/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KENC AM 1620 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 10:40 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 how would you connect transmitter to telco? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mjgrant@aol. com=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KENC AM 1620 Jim, Do you know how he has transmitter connected? Telco? Private line?=20 Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 07 12:49:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81774 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2010 20:49:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2010 20:49:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 20:49:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o07Knew9026275 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:49:41 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.ca6.5889fd82 (48600) for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:49:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:55:07 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KENC AM 1620 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=lyl_B_k-hlCECtw7AKCRZ97zQyrfcz1MRcXvIvahP4GVCsQwAW1Nl-pLrgAG5LJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Back when I was in broadcasting, when there was no line of sight from the studio to the transmitter, a station would lease dedicated (analog) lines from the phone company. These were not conventional dialup lines, but rather special lines with equalization and graded as to performance. Generally, for a mono AM station there were 4 or more. An equalized program line with backup and an unequalized control line with a backup. As I doubt the guy has the funds for microwave links to his 100mW transmitters, I was wondering what he used. Incidentally, for remotes when a dedicated telco line was unavailable, a pay phone line was preferable because it had superior fidelity in order to transmit the coin information. In those days, it was not unusual to find a pay phone where the mouthpiece could be unscrewed and the carbon element terminals could be accessed with a pair of aligator clips. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Jan 07 20:35:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31577 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2010 04:35:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2010 04:35:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f203.google.com) (209.85.211.203) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2010 04:35:29 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yw0-f203.google.com with SMTP id 41so34546089ywh.0 for ; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:35:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.109.35 with SMTP id h35mr4023601ybc.222.1262925329655; Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:35:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from toshibauser (71-32-44-221.tcso.qwest.net [71.32.44.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm9123839yxd.53.2010.01.07.20.35.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:35:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <007701ca901c$0370ab40$4700a8c0@toshibauser> To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:35:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Disposition-Notification-To: "hank smith" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KENC AM 1620 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=EC0SgUOqu4qleS8cBnNSOTrgy_42SMNEATVDnHRdyoWKeddM-ipE X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what to 100mw stations use fore remote now days? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:55 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: KENC AM 1620 Back when I was in broadcasting, when there was no line of sight from the studio to the transmitter, a station would lease dedicated (analog) lines from the phone company. These were not conventional dialup lines, but rather special lines with equalization and graded as to performance. Generally, for a mono AM station there were 4 or more. An equalized program line with backup and an unequalized control line with a backup. As I doubt the guy has the funds for microwave links to his 100mW transmitters, I was wondering what he used. Incidentally, for remotes when a dedicated telco line was unavailable, a pay phone line was preferable because it had superior fidelity in order to transmit the coin information. In those days, it was not unusual to find a pay phone where the mouthpiece could be unscrewed and the carbon element terminals could be accessed with a pair of aligator clips. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 08 01:46:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62253 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2010 09:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2010 09:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2010 09:46:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2010 09:44:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2010 09:44:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:44:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3e285.675e8b4c.3876a99e@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.25.46.18 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: KENC AM 1620 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=LnTpe1BpE1KCKmtcNb6iouHwBCd3QtidrL_g6gL2gQnzYNpPyfFD1rpbX4TYXKo46f0y_mDN X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Jim, >=20 > Do you know how he has transmitter connected? Telco? Private line?=20=20 >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi No i don't. Jim Smith From walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com Fri Jan 08 05:01:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: walkerbroadcasting@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13339 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2010 13:01:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2010 13:01:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f224.google.com) (209.85.217.224) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2010 13:01:53 -0000 X-Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so19257214gxk.6 for ; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 05:01:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.151.18.40 with SMTP id v40mr5761419ybi.11.1262955712564; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 05:01:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 07:01:52 -0600 Message-ID: <8bce0fe81001080501u136d6f14re02c07bb52d290cd@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.224 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Paul B. Walker, Jr." Subject: New AM Stereo Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=259687959; y=lO85F8uV6hr0EH7YFAAjfnQinRa3ifMy3O2VTXPepeyBd8CnTJWylt8A X-Yahoo-Profile: radiocolchester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't believe when it was public radio that WXNI was AM Stereo, but I just saw new owner Christopher Dipaola refer to the station as Stereo AM 1230 WBLQ. The station is in Westerly, Rhode Island. Paul Walker www.onairdj.com www.facebook.com/onairdj walkerbroadcastign@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 08 14:09:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19622 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2010 22:09:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jan 2010 22:09:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2010 22:09:28 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 44105 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2010 22:09:28 -0000 Message-ID: <430599.43341.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: iVBe6W4VM1lWz.epdi.RCFDG1p9_zQ3BLgryIU4GQQLr6srktDFNkzVuv3i39.zzgjOTGKrWTGrtIvyGzC0lbUsa7NgsLjMkDnrQweE8vjeYoyc1jacsbE.swjCxR83mcYvJkhZI1bLx1yIQdVgYzMa0E9y8QW5yukQDTbCurA6qTdeAxcIkRRxAUBApcQD5q_2AqSyHqpn.R4QKWlLDqwV_OTMxF.id2K2mrhCCaqL_.YTogS88VmQPA3kJcCD.0xpehofMUgh43F3rjV0GcVEtN6WlBELM91ZIO9z8HKVqqTP8gtGJxK3Cmip5FZm2_4RQ1r1OVSWlbp1E2HzQL9B.l6nAkklVxh7HYqcYTXwF_VdGdqoqNuc06NDC5CYxNtXVuJslFfMgiuls4Bio4pjvSaEGH3ykyWXUm_IPT7hiDeH9yne4FZTfqOIESIaKTbWGsytqFkiA69_YHWWs5OAHAGzldi8p.XI5hX5LHQ3P0L.2volzWQf1v0dG8D28ZQcShrlsVVJ53eA_vRlNAukILSwmWFXg4R14UQMzXc0JrqVoL687eJf5tXS12xCkvC4LuAqTY5kyPshjH7KSOgSEtNCxnDgJzqw87WD512vb6qq_VpqKtphgqDX5ritisk.Ldshcss4Yf747S_mM1duQfT4MdBbJ0sWL3ORBWz6Uq_cMWSKFeWr_r7vHz8JIvkUE99ugJioYXvWhB1j.83CkiugyDlAhHnwRRq1iLGUu2MZe_m3dm8zmPFKiU6PSQsMgKt3ir0WfH2Rk3AI6f175_pERdCbnURmmcDln5khtXRUPfF6leggRJLZPsn5hf9Q1lSSvIlOEl2PKvhSqHA6R7sGvATnrmNt_IW39kCl.TS0f.7UVMpoSDkPGEn3JPc.nSL08hcm0VV64igZcViSLPUDFzn7CXAiA1_zVYnYZOTKlevgWchIK11YjP.R8404Oxil7.kdUYB6hPDFxV7_lKA_6kvLYft0eJNNj1n6uUBssUB7WocktWtOavQKEt0CW_yYjhMXFu.vV4ZlHTBTxhOQHSVMfOaLcdPfFkHs5G48x8KjjanaZ6M1a4HjK_5dsXaJgY.nbIHHShGIBYxpGKAmV4tl1PB0u_n.kK8_lgNAP2.001pQMn2liL4OOW4ANuaazPM6QPnT9itBi.GTOjKIhqPK.jZ38nxhcnn9.RgRb8nwncZnhub3qqsGF_iX8DTLhOUKvCkHNrqoA4PvnIuOzX7xutB490oP6YQOyH20j0HFmCMC49wETiKU9m5NUkRdWA4qwNEwUxAquxaH5PxoZEXeiMEEoOC2FeGoXIyg83fJ.aoxds6GcgEVWCEovxSH3j6lpLg_cmUcB0AcFGlqgYRMNwnTnzBCrB3FzhMWJSEHv2MYn X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:09:28 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:09:28 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8bce0fe81001080501u136d6f14re02c07bb52d290cd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=n77yTAwFAcn8kijXaJIGHVJbHUN0nWirp7Run7SIzKIJqBrMe5j7 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As reported 11/30/09!=C2=A0 Paul, how's the shift on Cool Country by the wa= y? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (V31VQ renewal when I get around to it) --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wrot= e: From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. Subject: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 8:01 AM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 I don't believe when it was public radio that WXNI was AM Stereo, but= I just saw new owner Christopher Dipaola refer to the station as Stereo AM 1230 WBLQ. The station is in Westerly, Rhode Island. Paul Walker www.onairdj. com www.facebook. com/onairdj walkerbroadcastign@ gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 12 10:35:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4840 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2010 18:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2010 18:35:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2010 18:35:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 42190 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2010 18:35:40 -0000 Message-ID: <785273.42174.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: yuxH2BQVM1lnk8tMlqRYdcIMOGEOmNsz2LeK.iqwPvl7kz0rxWuSg7TTukB2Nh8CwxioXWDHCrUqhzx_l2m0Db99_QniCvGAYwppmu2MemY.zNuUKJzImr15P.9vyawAvkcEFWf.9XJ__qITOnidlC1Nmc5LUr9k3Us1BM32aL2waJEzc1f2E5qvstE5hgMrXlwDpbAXoFLMCsTPZtY_m1bMxv8v1JJ_F37riJHZWBfApPjcHt_bjUayzffsei.yVp844H5x49OosOy.xnbG20GZK4KxIj4UCn5qln_W0SjZlSKDCHCCby9Ff08nZhhinXjH3ZVNa2Q- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:35:40 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:35:40 -0800 (PST) To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Harris AMS X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jNsEq4YkVW_JFCpUhhYNGjA7gBHpgNROt1kHsw8ftM0opNLuWEcShHs X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Whaddya think of the Harris AM Stereo Exciter for sale? Looks like it doesn't yet have the C-Quam mod yet either, so that makes it even sweeter! From acq@videotron.ca Sat Jan 16 08:15:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16313 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2010 16:13:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2010 16:13:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2010 16:13:34 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWC00GABL2JQG50@VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca>; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:13:34 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <3CEFBAFE5D434E7FBAE79C24A120786E@MirelaPC> To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: condiglist@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@yahoogroups.com References: In-reply-to: Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:13:29 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: [ABDX] Re: foreign & domestic LW-MW logs w/ the Sony SRF-A1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=yukuNr4y_JUyvTGW-2QlllbV-k80vVYcWl-xoZo9Py0bak1O65SPGq0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello ! I have been playing a little bit with the walkman this morning and I`m NOT disappointed at all. WIRY-1340 has better stereo separation than many FM stations and the sound is louder though I`m not ready to say it sounds more Hi-Fi than FM, though definitively it is VERY entertaining... I`m ready right now to say whether it is REAL stereo or false stereo triggered by fadings or CO-CHANNEL QRM... You have nothing left in the left or right ear other than audio from co-channel broadcasters ! But WIRY the ONLY the voice was shifting from left to right and never the voice and the electric guitar were heard in the same ear - absolutely never ! The jingles were also cleanly received... Despite some platform motion (which adds to the excitment !), the separation was very clean ! However, their classic country show ain`t really my piece of cake... I prefer so much the new country of CFCO (not enough to download an MP3, but to hear it from the radio), more melancholia and more mainstream ! Also, the occasionnal music on WLS is better, though WIRY IS a nice station to listen to, as they play also New Country, Adult COntemporary, 70s and 80s oldies and even Big Band (which is better than country), just their Saturday morning music show isn`t my piece of cake ! I heard that the SRF-42 do not have any platform motion, though, right now, I think it wasn`t as bad as I thought, it is even entertaining ! I didn`t had any nausea or need to vomit, just plain excitment ! That being said, as far as DX goes, well, in the lower half of the band it is a KILLER... I heard Cuba-600 close to the basement and it is one of the few radios that can get WOR-710 away from CINF-690 and CKAC-730 ! On the upper half of the band, if you do not have a skip station far away, at least 40 to 50 kHz from a local or a local, then you`re out of luck. I tried to get WIKE-1490 in Newport, VT and all I got were overspills from CHUC-1450 whom towers are located maybe 7 kilometers from Pierrefonds-Roxboro where I live. I`m not even sure whether WIKE is still in stereo, it`s my first REAL experience with AM Stereo since I started DXing... We didn`t had AM Stereo in Romania. The Sangean SR-66 is the same as the Sony-SRF-A1 ? It was a new in the box never used walkman and it appears to be so, judging my its performance... The C-Quam detector is alive and kickin` unlike our Sony XR-A33 car-radio which can`t even decode WLS-890 EVEN as WCBS-880 is fading down in strength ! Now for my 23rd birthday a few months away, it would be awesome to find a Sony CFS-6000... In the mean time, I should hook it up to the soundcard of our computer, tuned to a station that isn`t annoyed by bothersome computer hash (CFCO-630 was quite good last night) and start airchecking ! If anyone knowes of a list of US AM ST broadcasters, please let me know... There are a couple left in Connecticut and New Jersey and someone on AMSF just posted a WCDC-1450 aircheck for Xmas...it was a nice Xmas present ! As far as WICC-600 I tried to get it the past night, but I had issues with Cuba when nulling CKAT... Radio Rebelde had a contest inviting listeners to choose between Led Zeppelin Stairway to Heaven and a famous Rolling Stones song ! Yes...Cuba on a walkman ! I was astonished, though not to the same extent as hearing WIRY-1340 with clean separation, as I`m used to Pan-American DX, but I`m a newbie on the AM Stereo thing ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw. I: So you live in Rochester... Was the splatter against 970 and 1010 worse in C-Quam than in analog monaural AM ? I know in IBOC is even worse, but CJAD-800 used to be stereo and I remember a time when Radio Coro 780 was harder to hear and the splatter against 780 (coming from CJAD-800, 20 kHz away !) was almost unbearable... Nowadays, CJAD-800 provides 780 with very mild splatter, the big problem being WABC-770 ! When I listen to WBBM, I naturally cancel both Radio Coro and some CJAD (which is nullable to some extent in very tight position), so the issues of CJAD splatter are mostly southward rather than westward... I wonder if someone could get the chief engineer at Citadel owned WABC to turn on a C-quam exciter on Saturday nights for their oldies show ! It is better than either IBOC or analog monaural AM for such a show ! Btw. II: Anyone knows something about the new Meducci AM tuner called Pro-K1 ? It would be nice to obtain an AM Stereo tuner that would tune in the X-Band ! Subject: [ABDX] Re: foreign & domestic LW-MW logs w/ the Sony SRF-A1 I had a TM-152 for awhile and sold it to someone in IRCA. I have a Sony SRF-42 that still works. You mean to tell me that the dial cord hasn't broken on your Sangean SR-66? All of the ones I know of have had the dial cord break. The SRF-42 is a better radio anyway. --- In ABDX@yahoogroups.com, Scott Fybush wrote: > None, anymore. I have several - the old Radio Shack TM-152, Sony > SRF-A100, Sangean portable and a Carver TX-11b tuner - but I haven't > listened for AM stereo in years, ever since my local 990 went IBOC and > turned off its stereo. > > s [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Jan 16 15:39:07 2010 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26557 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2010 23:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2010 23:39:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2010 23:39:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1263685144; bh=KmuUgXlp+VimiRa5i1auu3NtPUEAecweL4Y2wBUAQas=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Z7E3Bi2i/Sk3MC23+yZBtwiebntaqOx32lSvBHWa4uHFhr4aQf1ySbKHetbikTNry4EsMmpgR6C2vqO7YoS6uGzLfJtA4+KUZKofLHjYHlLXfSPik3IPR1Bsb0x7ZYjw Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2010 23:39:04 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2010 23:39:04 -0000 Date: 16 Jan 2010 23:39:02 -0000 Message-ID: <1263685142.1083.17880.w9@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /am1krm.bmp Uploaded by : kc8gpd Description : AM 1000 Rangemaster Full Schematic You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/am1krm.bmp To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles Regards, kc8gpd From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Jan 16 21:27:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45420 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2010 05:27:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jan 2010 05:27:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f223.google.com) (209.85.217.223) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2010 05:27:53 -0000 X-Received: by gxk23 with SMTP id 23so2109649gxk.2 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:27:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.35.6 with SMTP id i6mr7121232ani.178.1263706052440; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:27:32 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1490021ywd.14.2010.01.16.21.27.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:27:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <0F30BAC6510C4D279DE4497E40334AB3@mygateway> To: References: <1263685142.1083.17880.w9@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:27:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: softrock sdr radio with cquam and sma antenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=zIChT9NoZxnqxMRbzdfBLfMjRKpa-M5nsiJbNdHL4fgTMFce-17n X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello I have a softrock sdr usb radio can I recieve cquam? also where do I get a sma antenna at? can I make a make shift antenna fore now until I get a sma antenna? I have never heard of the sma type antennas Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Mon Jan 18 07:00:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29912 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2010 15:00:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2010 15:00:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2010 15:00:14 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWG00HYA70ABQI0@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca>; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:00:11 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <3D4FD542096A4DBE9BCEEC65FDF97BA3@MirelaPC> To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:00:06 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=eXYxuW6l5tqL2dMwt6vGdoHTRJubuh4NItUnRwCpUEgIFq9k9zKq19s X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warm greetings ! Before getting any further, I just wanted to let you know I heard the voice of the C&W singer in the left channel and the guitar in the right one, so this is true stereo ! A huge thank to WIRY in Plattsburg, NY for making groundwave AMS DXing possible at noon ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds / Montreal`s West Island, QC Btw.: More about Motorola C-Quam later ! I found a surprise this week-end on EBay ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 15:51:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63042 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2010 23:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jan 2010 23:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2010 23:50:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 99035 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jan 2010 23:50:41 -0000 Message-ID: <535107.98669.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: sldyp7cVM1miH9dOZQHkSCeMxXh0BxbFSep8UD5C28EUCLR0bIgTuf43.Z.9gfIcwiCcwOk5Q4QvFhl6nEmGa1O3450AXtVkopGBScOCTkAQyUEe7g1koPO4.nNWECK.80_Fvw.FryXYun9lsJPP2ozGHSUAeDrf8JaXNMBmNgSKoOWWDx7d9v_rp28az6NEh7G.GNtHTvj59i.r2Lnky2NDdpRFEP4UMHk3nmi2zrcCNnzhIx4Kj.awRQtQtqUHtimahZWHR4lwsqJmB_q68DXaBnWexgzlLc3aVSHw7UfjoZHDZXSJqICeQCNHnNt.2Y2zop8Xddq1H95BNFuFxytjR4mMQqUVUGmEjrgwFb6HxygPObTyjPQg5KZYalW8zTbNFAm3cCWe2nZxqX0i8.H23O82foyMNfdDeNLzUKJQ4HD1PoU2KWV3RnpTLrOrDDV_fVug9geOCuh.vVXOhYOacwnMiX0cpKvPgQT5mwLafd.e6MuPIvDyet_nJt5k0VUe_DNkN0W98q8hZUcjZ9DPJsNEZc14ls.KraGqqflGiz1UahuB4plfq7SyI.3uhqPJG.mklj5RcWrsYmQ5mFiPwW4ni8LLX5fmT_OdvfjU4OBEFeoUTb0qM.2jEpTpwKKcVE26TkUwQZJX4LWSU2cY0uK1jldVV4wvsAjc69HXWFGf4s3e2hDLrn_OfPuDrUOPOZVQDHzqIOhFgu5qplF_JUQDVNE64i_P5EYtpc94.WRZAP_hpETHlli6Zcs_u1m__9JK3UxbiLJHaEp3VIDaCfdzC6M8hHijRwNwZXuOgfImVFnuc_jLeqiGngTSHinZN.URQcGeHNKM9tobwsBq_yDPZ8iTFssPPwhoN5bEtI0uhh9UFZ6sLqGdu38njAMGmMtHLDMl1y9b83QpIYQjEUz6CC_E3K.eDCHpB1K4khHM.JucaqkWq83A7PK8hevnxd8TBbjfiV1qq2_.L8.w4E45d3Fu2DbaRKjCnQOQzGQt9caVMU4xE47IevTg3PPgfa9tL6CXZ6jBr9PPfr6xZaiE1P6mj26h4rTRlsTPs0suPki4wQKNc.sL1SyZ9NCd2F1J7UjpMW0d5dUBPh5uiYMEq2m5zhSL0UEdVW3NTdIt1yLiX_21o8ts0C3FMo7bQoHtZ1pS_rxZPBK7oAlr2bitKH0zb5kJa8VQpFQT3hARZC3cMywOv10hW1LHyHC1AUr9GRfhOSBxOfpUc4c- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:50:41 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:50:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D4FD542096A4DBE9BCEEC65FDF97BA3@MirelaPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=eitFbBOM74036OqsxLfZRUPEjZYfmQgNHbdXAgepUMKofA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm, voice in one channel, instrument in the other...sounds like the early = days of stereo records! =C2=A0 But I know the excitement you feel, as after too many years of SW, FM, TV, = and more recording formats than I can remember, I STILL find myself craving= that distant signal on the medium wave band. =C2=A0The static, the "platfo= rm shift" when in stereo, even the selective fading, just seem to add to th= e ethereal and magical quality of good old AM. =C2=A0Most folks wouldn't ge= t that, glad to know YOU do! BTW, ever listen to AM Stereo through headphones? Many of the earlier Sony = portables, notably the SRF-A100 and the more recent SRF-A42, are permanentl= y locked in stereo mode ("forced stereo"), and even when a mono signal is t= uned in, the adjacent and =C2=A0co-channel background seems to swirl around= you in a huge sound stage, moving about as the relative phase shifts betwe= en the "captured" signal and the other signals. =C2=A0I think even the inte= rference sounds better on a stereo receiver! :>) I think this could be used to advantage, too, if an odd theory of mine hold= s any H-2-0.Hook the outputs from the receiver together out-of-phase, causi= ng any sound that is equal in both channels to cancel out. =C2=A0What is le= ft is anything NOT equal in amplitude, which would include any other statio= n that is not locked in perfect synch with the one you are canceling out. = =C2=A0I got this idea out of desperation, trying to hear XEROK in Mexico wh= en I live 20 miles from CKLW, and both are on 800 kHz. =C2=A0If this works,= then of course the desired station would seem to move around at a rate det= ermined by the difference in frequency between the two transmitters, but th= at motion could be cancelled out by simply mixing the final results into mo= no.Same idea could be done by feeding the output of your C-QUAM set into a = matrix decoder, such as Dolby Surround/Pro Logic/Pro Logic II, or even an o= ld QS or EV Quad decoder,, and the local signal would be mainly in the fron= t channels, and the distant one in the rears.=C2=A0If all else fails, at lea= st you would get simulated AM Quad! =C2=A0I would have tried this already, = but my last surviving AM Stereo radio is not doing too well right now. =C2= =A0Maybe somebody with a good receiver and a some form of matrix decoder co= uld try this? =C2=A0I'd love to know if it works!Happy DXing...may the wave= s be with you!George =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: {AMSF} WIRY To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 10:00 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Warm greetings ! Before getting any further, I just wanted to let you know I heard the voice= of the C&W singer in the left channel and the guitar in the right one, so = this is true stereo ! A huge thank to WIRY in Plattsburg, NY for making gro= undwave AMS DXing possible at noon ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds / Montreal`s West Island, QC Btw.: More about Motorola C-Quam later ! I found a surprise this week-end o= n EBay ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Jan 18 16:46:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41367 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2010 00:43:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2010 00:43:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f221.google.com) (209.85.217.221) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2010 00:43:43 -0000 X-Received: by gxk21 with SMTP id 21so2935097gxk.19 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:43:40 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.127.41 with SMTP id z41mr6572952ybc.198.1263861820563; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:43:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm1007324ywh.15.2010.01.18.16.43.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:43:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: <535107.98669.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:43:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=oOcetrUPi12m5xxBsbPCVwWgJGgSjND6pUUe3s8hPgH_sNk8btTo X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is cquam going to ever come back? and any mexican stuff I can pick up from tucson az? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY =20=20=20=20 Hmm, voice in one channel, instrument in the other...sounds like the earl= y days of stereo records!=20=20 But I know the excitement you feel, as after too many years of SW, FM, TV= , and more recording formats than I can remember, I STILL find myself cravi= ng that distant signal on the medium wave band. The static, the "platform = shift" when in stereo, even the selective fading, just seem to add to the e= thereal and magical quality of good old AM. Most folks wouldn't get that, = glad to know YOU do! BTW, ever listen to AM Stereo through headphones? Many of the earlier Son= y portables, notably the SRF-A100 and the more recent SRF-A42, are permanen= tly locked in stereo mode ("forced stereo"), and even when a mono signal is= tuned in, the adjacent and co-channel background seems to swirl around yo= u in a huge sound stage, moving about as the relative phase shifts between = the "captured" signal and the other signals. I think even the interference= sounds better on a stereo receiver! :>) I think this could be used to advantage, too, if an odd theory of mine ho= lds any H-2-0.Hook the outputs from the receiver together out-of-phase, cau= sing any sound that is equal in both channels to cancel out. What is left = is anything NOT equal in amplitude, which would include any other station t= hat is not locked in perfect synch with the one you are canceling out. I g= ot this idea out of desperation, trying to hear XEROK in Mexico when I live= 20 miles from CKLW, and both are on 800 kHz. If this works, then of cours= e the desired station would seem to move around at a rate determined by the= difference in frequency between the two transmitters, but that motion coul= d be cancelled out by simply mixing the final results into mono.Same idea c= ould be done by feeding the output of your C-QUAM set into a matrix decoder= , such as Dolby Surround/Pro Logic/Pro Logic II, or even an old QS or EV Qu= ad decoder,, and the local signal would be mainly in the front channels, and the distant one in the rears. If all else fails, at least y= ou would get simulated AM Quad! I would have tried this already, but my la= st surviving AM Stereo radio is not doing too well right now. Maybe somebo= dy with a good receiver and a some form of matrix decoder could try this? = I'd love to know if it works!Happy DXing...may the waves be with you!George =20=20=20=20=20 --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: {AMSF} WIRY To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 10:00 AM =20=20=20 Warm greetings ! Before getting any further, I just wanted to let you know I heard the voi= ce of the C&W singer in the left channel and the guitar in the right one, s= o this is true stereo ! A huge thank to WIRY in Plattsburg, NY for making g= roundwave AMS DXing possible at noon ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds / Montreal`s West Island, QC Btw.: More about Motorola C-Quam later ! I found a surprise this week-end= on EBay ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Jan 18 16:56:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22269 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2010 00:56:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2010 00:56:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2010 00:56:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0J0ujoY028453 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:56:45 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.cf1.6b8b47fb (34942) for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:56:41 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.103]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA053-b2d04b55034610d; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:56:41 -0500 X-Received: from magic-m05.mail.aol.com (magic-m05.mail.aol.com [172.21.172.76]) by smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME027-b2d04b55034610d; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:56:38 -0500 Message-ID: <3f5ee.b4a1138.38865d45@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:56:37 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.172.76 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=BCtEkxv7y40beEzoZhWnf6WIhdn6EsCQ67Un4Y1cujw9bcGM3LMbwRGZuQf2bG70 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/18/2010 5:51:08 PM Central Standard Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Hmm, voice in one channel, instrument in the other...sounds like the > early days of stereo records! > That is what I call schizo-miking. True stereo uses two channels to create depth like our two eyes do with visual information, not a means of conveying two discrete channels of information. It would be like watching one actor in a movie with one eye and another with the other. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 18 20:17:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69733 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2010 04:17:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2010 04:17:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2010 04:17:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92210 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2010 04:17:12 -0000 Message-ID: <220953.92109.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: vVjv3hUVM1mzLlMFgJbqcDQxo8Cfi4dUQjgouyZLqA.iisEli4LJwu3zZNbXB9ZYzTQpK9FHsNRGakM4Ld0gvixzEzvwGDTNVYzIZfSB5KoIXZvEH7AuN4YRS4H0dUtJwKrjB_PFUq1MmOqrPUUzh3oqRXybPBpkv5RqlBa.Zlls0Kdn4mriMvO2sSTspVMJhfpYwAls1BXuh71dbr3XAuoZrumL5WEYRxWiQ9Ru7wE0A9WQaGr0BhkxUGFPfNqivcIrBWzsVfJTVhrdUh363geVt_A7SCby3D.ZrwqE.SpVekhDQuSvWARXiBZsXrHjmlZ90HDnZN00iwYK_Eq1OZkomrjUtJtbkv5NTnqKc4MIyus5e5GFBQwG0ZMBWGgRONP53y6NRioGNLggX52XLW21fjM78hx0qfSFXSrPsR1RDdZGsx7umMN_p_ZIgDM5vqSnUQGbpYUg7sok8sZogaOSKQutkiAGzb0tatUWnyTmIK9TDpINsEjuAQiQsxK1.8KAzh7_FXTVKUmHFpKpxIfLVICiMN4k2U3bNBq8twX2T5tkw5uMQwmcXO57_M5woY9IjOWCNUYiaNE6ssDc8A6WRA9R2RcNVvT_MhMQFFd_ZkubzpHygIveLKLYFqC6b9hy8GhNPAKW0NSUdnXDVWmICulTdeCoA3lYLRJrO.dmM_Gd7LagykxuiiKImJt_ZcsxQMj95o51XmYjDW08BrAdc44d4VJEhqfDTCe3hNUaF5EhB.52bd6YsPYYgIfA9zOEW8wwQt8K7gS7jgh2XdfEBK28AFc.PG2B7uYBykNI.op0Wjw8cHIkvyJLS6q8TsqKdzbpWRmBsjIA2hwubdWsVxN0PNg5M.TD7tzSxxMD4yp8aMZpNiW4ZzrnMVLl_yC4..8nA.eexD_6Xr4JkD.1m1dWSj3FfqI518ljfki_IcIqFPOrKUDwIPfVQUB5VEEZYD9YzxMrEl4pbexYE3ncJyuOeHqcwdlJa8J0EctI.IHJZTsEf20RvUtrf5KSPjMxkxtXyAXt5FbtUB0caoD0UwXtjOJHFD7sznGlxCq_FjrkMyPCiu6BnRsDPbnlpqkcDp9_IJ4LmMpg_RQW3Inz_twqLAF_8.IhXNUl9xkIg4h.POkFwKR4JeGL82Nb4ryb.JmHwEKNzIC95RNAxVyDeAMLKk2rKJ5f7JjjyrCZacvPKeKbuTZNAMa3g5imEA5.Fzo6cxTUIbEHGjDvKDGIOsPG0kBUvTl3L7WfCgUx7BRixeWV9GfAvgwh5.ckzRPOl4d.wn9_G8IByfy3bgMe.uA2z3FpCK26YBrpV_J_lcogMrMa1lBNlCmc7z39 X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:17:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:17:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=mEelMtUhrsIP6pDnOkhYroRuEv-hU_ho9eDlOUN0u5Wq9Q X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable C-QUAM might come back if stations that have the exciter would turn it back= on...of course after turning the I-BUZZ off.From Arizona you should easily= hear some Mexican stations, try 1570 (XERF), 800 (XEROK), and 1050 (XEG), = those are high-power stations, I've heard all three here in Michigan, but a= s close as you are, there are probably several others you can hear. =C2=A0B= TW, last I heard XEG was still C-QUAM!Good luck,G --- On Mon, 1/18/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 7:43 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 is cquam going to ever come back? and any mexican stuff I can pick up from tucson az? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY Hmm, voice in one channel, instrument in the other...sounds like the early = days of stereo records!=20=20 But I know the excitement you feel, as after too many years of SW, FM, TV= , and more recording formats than I can remember, I STILL find myself cravi= ng that distant signal on the medium wave band. The static, the "platform = shift" when in stereo, even the selective fading, just seem to add to the e= thereal and magical quality of good old AM. Most folks wouldn't get that, = glad to know YOU do! BTW, ever listen to AM Stereo through headphones? Many of the earlier Son= y portables, notably the SRF-A100 and the more recent SRF-A42, are permanen= tly locked in stereo mode ("forced stereo"), and even when a mono signal is= tuned in, the adjacent and co-channel background seems to swirl around yo= u in a huge sound stage, moving about as the relative phase shifts between = the "captured" signal and the other signals. I think even the interference= sounds better on a stereo receiver! :>) I think this could be used to advantage, too, if an odd theory of mine ho= lds any H-2-0.Hook the outputs from the receiver together out-of-phase, cau= sing any sound that is equal in both channels to cancel out. What is left = is anything NOT equal in amplitude, which would include any other station t= hat is not locked in perfect synch with the one you are canceling out. I g= ot this idea out of desperation, trying to hear XEROK in Mexico when I live= 20 miles from CKLW, and both are on 800 kHz. If this works, then of cours= e the desired station would seem to move around at a rate determined by the= difference in frequency between the two transmitters, but that motion coul= d be cancelled out by simply mixing the final results into mono.Same idea c= ould be done by feeding the output of your C-QUAM set into a matrix decoder= , such as Dolby Surround/Pro Logic/Pro Logic II, or even an old QS or EV Qu= ad decoder,, and the local signal would be mainly in the front channels, and the distant one in the rears. If all else fails, at least y= ou would get simulated AM Quad! I would have tried this already, but my la= st surviving AM Stereo radio is not doing too well right now. Maybe somebo= dy with a good receiver and a some form of matrix decoder could try this? = I'd love to know if it works!Happy DXing...may the waves be with you!George --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: {AMSF} WIRY To: ABDX@yahoogroups. com Cc: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 10:00 AM Warm greetings ! Before getting any further, I just wanted to let you know I heard the voice= of the C&W singer in the left channel and the guitar in the right one, so = this is true stereo ! A huge thank to WIRY in Plattsburg, NY for making gro= undwave AMS DXing possible at noon ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds / Montreal`s West Island, QC Btw.: More about Motorola C-Quam later ! I found a surprise this week-end o= n EBay ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Mon Jan 18 22:51:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36870 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2010 06:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2010 06:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2010 06:51:26 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWH00HO1F1N6TB0@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:51:25 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <3B37918ED6424C2D8E4DEC137D0F7A98@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <535107.98669.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <535107.98669.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:51:19 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=pU-WP1X4UedTQNbvnh6QwlbHRUL4zAnCY3J2T7vnlLjUJxrOAt0WltY X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warm greetings ! Maybe country music is done this way, the way of early stereo records... but I heard the drums on HALL AND OATS`S SHE`S GONE (1977) jumping in a very rhythmic and regular way (not platform motion) from left to right, as the rhythm of the song was changing, not randomly, so it is indeed stereo... I`m out of luck with Mexico, though XEG-1050 should be remotely possible under a once-in-a-lifetime-opening... Keep in mind that I have a semi-local on 1040 in Saint-Constant along with CHUM/WEVD-1050, so it would be EXTREMELY hard, ALMOST, but not quite, impossible ! Though I wouldn`t be too stimulated to try for XEG, I`m happy enough with ANY Motorla C-Quam station I can get ! What is the status of AM Stereo right now ? Any bad luck the small variety and full-service stations like WIRY-1340 will witch to IBOC ? How many AM Stereo stations are left in the US ! From Canada, everything except CFCO-630 is out of reach ! Sad ! Also, I think there are AT MUST a half-dozen C-Quam stations left in the WHOLE Canada ! Yes, I heard that platform motion effect while listening to Radio Rebelde 600, at one point I had CKAT in one channel and Cuba the other one, while in forced stereo mode ! Unbelievable ! Cuba on a barefoot walkman ! Something less spectacular, while walking near some awful powerlines, I heard the buzz in one ear and CINW-940 in the other one... It is important to listen carefully before noticing any REAL stereo ! I guess it`s because I knew WIRY was still using C-Quam, that I listened carefully... Of course, I live in a deep fringe area for some Plattsburg stations, so normally I couldn`t get WIRY-1340 except with a weak barely readable audio. What did I do ? I did place the passive tunable PK AM loop, close to the SRF-A1, and used it tuned to 1340 in INDUCTION with the walkman, otherwise it is impossible to recover stereo audio from such a ptifully tiny signal... The PK AM loop is made by Paul Karstrand in Australia... If you have a barefoot Sony portable like the Sony CFS-6000 and want to use it in INDUCTION with an antenna where you can`t otherwise connect your own loop, please feel free to contact him ! PK's Loop Antennas is his e-mail address ! By the way, I just purchased from E-Bay this gem http://cgi.cafr.ebay.ca/Sony-CFS-6000-FM-AM-Stereo-Boombox-Serviced-Super-clean_W0QQitemZ290390228393QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item439c9b3da9 ! I will aircheck some WIRY-1340 songs that I like using the PK AM Loop I buyed for around 160 dollars (incl. shipping to Canada from Aussie land !) and post them on this Yahoo! group. I will do so as soon as it arrives... Fortunatly, it didn`t attrackted too many bidders ! Thanks for so many answer ! I guess I`m lucky to live in an area where at noon I can get a semi-local, albeit a deep fringe one, to decode Motorola C-Quam at least half-decently for a mid-FI sound (at least, that`s how it sound to the DXer I am) ! And believe it or not...in the small room where we pack our clothes I can the best noise-free reception on 1340 being further from our neighbors`s Wi-Fi, so I had to throw our clothes in another room... You know how AM Stereo is for me, especially those days... May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: How many of these stations are still in stereo ? WIRY-1340 (true stereo or false stereo-like effect DUE TO PLATFORM MOTION) ? CHNC-610 (I doubt, but maybe) ? WICC-600 (they used to be stereo a few years ago) ? WBLQ-1230 ? CFCO-630 (only audible at night, so I can`t attest it was platform motion or real stereo although at a time, there was some separation that seemed to come from the same station, not CFCO-630 in the right channel and WMAL-630 in the left one, in WPRO null - but using a first generation Motorola receiver, it`s hard to tell) ? Why in stereo if // 92.9 is in stereo ? Since they turned on 92.9, have they followed up using 630 for C-Quam purposes ? France Bleue-864 (using a narrow filter with Motorola capability, this TA catche should be readable in ST using a good loop, as it is one of the most reliable TA catches, though I`ve heard they have turned off their C-Quam exciter during the last couple of months, right ?) WINY-1350 ? WHat is the daytime pattern of WINY-1350 ? Does it power down during critical hours ? At night they are using 79 W of power, while during sunlight hours it jump to a respectable power of 5000 W ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Jan 18 23:45:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6537 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2010 07:45:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2010 07:45:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f185.google.com) (209.85.211.185) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2010 07:45:50 -0000 X-Received: by ywh15 with SMTP id 15so3034483ywh.5 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:45:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.119.3 with SMTP id r3mr7074616ybc.324.1263887149505; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:45:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2456866ywc.6.2010.01.18.23.45.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:45:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: <220953.92109.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:45:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.185 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=afCVc6tBe1CqhsHpQ0fKK-bPftNTy7TSZvpw2gvVlH2X3ombLhD6 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello the only am hd in tucson is 790 knst and 1450 kwfm oldies 790 is talk eg coast to coast am rush flimbaw, glin beck etc 1400 turned off there hd as well as 1290 the score 1400 was nastelga 1400 ktuc is suposive am stereo but they are in mono wonder if there refering to there internet feed? thanks fore the stations will give them a try Hank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY =20=20=20=20 C-QUAM might come back if stations that have the exciter would turn it ba= ck on...of course after turning the I-BUZZ off.From Arizona you should easi= ly hear some Mexican stations, try 1570 (XERF), 800 (XEROK), and 1050 (XEG)= , those are high-power stations, I've heard all three here in Michigan, but= as close as you are, there are probably several others you can hear. BTW,= last I heard XEG was still C-QUAM!Good luck,G --- On Mon, 1/18/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 7:43 PM =20=20=20 is cquam going to ever come back? and any mexican stuff I can pick up from tucson az? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY Hmm, voice in one channel, instrument in the other...sounds like the earl= y days of stereo records!=20 But I know the excitement you feel, as after too many years of SW, FM, TV= , and more recording formats than I can remember, I STILL find myself cravi= ng that distant signal on the medium wave band. The static, the "platform s= hift" when in stereo, even the selective fading, just seem to add to the et= hereal and magical quality of good old AM. Most folks wouldn't get that, gl= ad to know YOU do! BTW, ever listen to AM Stereo through headphones? Many of the earlier Son= y portables, notably the SRF-A100 and the more recent SRF-A42, are permanen= tly locked in stereo mode ("forced stereo"), and even when a mono signal is= tuned in, the adjacent and co-channel background seems to swirl around you= in a huge sound stage, moving about as the relative phase shifts between t= he "captured" signal and the other signals. I think even the interference s= ounds better on a stereo receiver! :>) I think this could be used to advantage, too, if an odd theory of mine ho= lds any H-2-0.Hook the outputs from the receiver together out-of-phase, cau= sing any sound that is equal in both channels to cancel out. What is left i= s anything NOT equal in amplitude, which would include any other station th= at is not locked in perfect synch with the one you are canceling out. I got= this idea out of desperation, trying to hear XEROK in Mexico when I live 2= 0 miles from CKLW, and both are on 800 kHz. If this works, then of course t= he desired station would seem to move around at a rate determined by the di= fference in frequency between the two transmitters, but that motion could b= e cancelled out by simply mixing the final results into mono.Same idea coul= d be done by feeding the output of your C-QUAM set into a matrix decoder, s= uch as Dolby Surround/Pro Logic/Pro Logic II, or even an old QS or EV Quad = decoder,, and the local signal would be mainly in the front channels, and the distant one in the rears. If all else fails, at least y= ou would get simulated AM Quad! I would have tried this already, but my las= t surviving AM Stereo radio is not doing too well right now. Maybe somebody= with a good receiver and a some form of matrix decoder could try this? I'd= love to know if it works!Happy DXing...may the waves be with you!George --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: {AMSF} WIRY To: ABDX@yahoogroups. com Cc: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 10:00 AM Warm greetings ! Before getting any further, I just wanted to let you know I heard the voi= ce of the C&W singer in the left channel and the guitar in the right one, s= o this is true stereo ! A huge thank to WIRY in Plattsburg, NY for making g= roundwave AMS DXing possible at noon ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds / Montreal`s West Island, QC Btw.: More about Motorola C-Quam later ! I found a surprise this week-end= on EBay ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Jan 19 00:00:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21116 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2010 08:00:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2010 08:00:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f219.google.com) (209.85.217.219) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2010 08:00:42 -0000 X-Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so2854304gxk.0 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:59:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.48.18 with SMTP id v18mr4470004ybv.106.1263887981730; Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:59:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm1172423ywh.15.2010.01.18.23.59.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:59:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: <535107.98669.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3B37918ED6424C2D8E4DEC137D0F7A98@MirelaPC> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:59:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Wwcvd24xI0iqFmlFYEeK7wheSVKhZypHTaFHRL3wmYic0virntSR X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ello what is a barefoot walkman? that the brandname? if so what is the website? that is a cool name Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: Mirela Chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY Warm greetings ! Maybe country music is done this way, the way of early stereo records... but I heard the drums on HALL AND OATS`S SHE`S GONE (1977) jumping in a very rhythmic and regular way (not platform motion) from left to right, as the rhythm of the song was changing, not randomly, so it is indeed stereo... I`m out of luck with Mexico, though XEG-1050 should be remotely possible under a once-in-a-lifetime-opening... Keep in mind that I have a semi-local on 1040 in Saint-Constant along with CHUM/WEVD-1050, so it would be EXTREMELY hard, ALMOST, but not quite, impossible ! Though I wouldn`t be too stimulated to try for XEG, I`m happy enough with ANY Motorla C-Quam station I can get ! What is the status of AM Stereo right now ? Any bad luck the small variety and full-service stations like WIRY-1340 will witch to IBOC ? How many AM Stereo stations are left in the US ! From Canada, everything except CFCO-630 is out of reach ! Sad ! Also, I think there are AT MUST a half-dozen C-Quam stations left in the WHOLE Canada ! Yes, I heard that platform motion effect while listening to Radio Rebelde 600, at one point I had CKAT in one channel and Cuba the other one, while in forced stereo mode ! Unbelievable ! Cuba on a barefoot walkman ! Something less spectacular, while walking near some awful powerlines, I heard the buzz in one ear and CINW-940 in the other one... It is important to listen carefully before noticing any REAL stereo ! I guess it`s because I knew WIRY was still using C-Quam, that I listened carefully... Of course, I live in a deep fringe area for some Plattsburg stations, so normally I couldn`t get WIRY-1340 except with a weak barely readable audio. What did I do ? I did place the passive tunable PK AM loop, close to the SRF-A1, and used it tuned to 1340 in INDUCTION with the walkman, otherwise it is impossible to recover stereo audio from such a ptifully tiny signal... The PK AM loop is made by Paul Karstrand in Australia... If you have a barefoot Sony portable like the Sony CFS-6000 and want to use it in INDUCTION with an antenna where you can`t otherwise connect your own loop, please feel free to contact him ! PK's Loop Antennas is his e-mail address ! By the way, I just purchased from E-Bay this gem http://cgi.cafr.ebay.ca/Sony-CFS-6000-FM-AM-Stereo-Boombox-Serviced-Super-clean_W0QQitemZ290390228393QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item439c9b3da9 ! I will aircheck some WIRY-1340 songs that I like using the PK AM Loop I buyed for around 160 dollars (incl. shipping to Canada from Aussie land !) and post them on this Yahoo! group. I will do so as soon as it arrives... Fortunatly, it didn`t attrackted too many bidders ! Thanks for so many answer ! I guess I`m lucky to live in an area where at noon I can get a semi-local, albeit a deep fringe one, to decode Motorola C-Quam at least half-decently for a mid-FI sound (at least, that`s how it sound to the DXer I am) ! And believe it or not...in the small room where we pack our clothes I can the best noise-free reception on 1340 being further from our neighbors`s Wi-Fi, so I had to throw our clothes in another room... You know how AM Stereo is for me, especially those days... May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: How many of these stations are still in stereo ? WIRY-1340 (true stereo or false stereo-like effect DUE TO PLATFORM MOTION) ? CHNC-610 (I doubt, but maybe) ? WICC-600 (they used to be stereo a few years ago) ? WBLQ-1230 ? CFCO-630 (only audible at night, so I can`t attest it was platform motion or real stereo although at a time, there was some separation that seemed to come from the same station, not CFCO-630 in the right channel and WMAL-630 in the left one, in WPRO null - but using a first generation Motorola receiver, it`s hard to tell) ? Why in stereo if // 92.9 is in stereo ? Since they turned on 92.9, have they followed up using 630 for C-Quam purposes ? France Bleue-864 (using a narrow filter with Motorola capability, this TA catche should be readable in ST using a good loop, as it is one of the most reliable TA catches, though I`ve heard they have turned off their C-Quam exciter during the last couple of months, right ?) WINY-1350 ? WHat is the daytime pattern of WINY-1350 ? Does it power down during critical hours ? At night they are using 79 W of power, while during sunlight hours it jump to a respectable power of 5000 W ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Tue Jan 19 08:02:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54661 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2010 16:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2010 16:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2010 16:01:46 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWI00EGY4IIWTG0@VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:01:33 -0500 (EST) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: PK's Loop Antennas References: <535107.98669.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3B37918ED6424C2D8E4DEC137D0F7A98@MirelaPC> In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:01:27 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=glcLSyI6Kbjzfw1RrA0L-E7aPKDyMoVxgfdc4vpMgQQHJfi4EYu14ME X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is a Sony SRF-A1 ! http://cgi.ebay.ca/Sony-FM-AM-Stereo-Walkman-Radio-SRF-A1-Rare-NIB_W0QQitemZ130336516142QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e58a9682e (I purchassed my own a bit cheaper, at 222 $, as I won a bid on it). Since WIRY is very fringy where I live, I have to use the PK loop close to the walkman. If placed less than 0.5 meters (or even closer) to any walkman or portable, it can amplify the signals and make a weak signal sounds fair and a fair one sounds VERY good, no joke... Feel free to check for yourself at pkloops@bigpond.net.au ! It`s one of my best PURCHASE for 2009, almost as if I knew the only way to hear in C-Quam the Plattsburg station would be to use such an antenna, because the signal was so tiny otherwise, not enough to trigger the stereo beacon on my SRF-A1 ! As for the WIRY website, feel free to check it out at http://www.wiry.com/ ! It is a nice station to listen to, nevertheless... For E-Bay, please check out what I`ve purchassed at http://cgi.ebay.ca/Sony-CFS-6000-FM%2FAM-Stereo-Boombox-Serviced-Super-clean_W0QQitemZ290390228393QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20100111?IMSfp=TL1001112210001r4511. It appears to be of the two boomboxes, the BEST one... Sanyo also made a boombox, but it didn`t had a Narrow filter for stereo. In narrow mode, it automatically switched to mono... This one has two modes for perfect stereo ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu, plagued by powerline QRM which is worse than Wi-Fi one and which stops every now and then, sometimes is on even during the daytime ! Btw.: A nice reply from WINY to follow ! ello what is a barefoot walkman? that the brandname? if so what is the website? that is a cool name Hank ----- ----- From: Mirela Chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY Warm greetings ! Maybe country music is done this way, the way of early stereo records... but I heard the drums on HALL AND OATS`S SHE`S GONE (1977) jumping in a very rhythmic and regular way (not platform motion) from left to right, as the rhythm of the song was changing, not randomly, so it is indeed stereo... I`m out of luck with Mexico, though XEG-1050 should be remotely possible under a once-in-a-lifetime-opening... Keep in mind that I have a semi-local on 1040 in Saint-Constant along with CHUM/WEVD-1050, so it would be EXTREMELY hard, ALMOST, but not quite, impossible ! Though I wouldn`t be too stimulated to try for XEG, I`m happy enough with ANY Motorla C-Quam station I can get ! What is the status of AM Stereo right now ? Any bad luck the small variety and full-service stations like WIRY-1340 will witch to IBOC ? How many AM Stereo stations are left in the US ! From Canada, everything except CFCO-630 is out of reach ! Sad ! Also, I think there are AT MUST a half-dozen C-Quam stations left in the WHOLE Canada ! Yes, I heard that platform motion effect while listening to Radio Rebelde 600, at one point I had CKAT in one channel and Cuba the other one, while in forced stereo mode ! Unbelievable ! Cuba on a barefoot walkman ! Something less spectacular, while walking near some awful powerlines, I heard the buzz in one ear and CINW-940 in the other one... It is important to listen carefully before noticing any REAL stereo ! I guess it`s because I knew WIRY was still using C-Quam, that I listened carefully... Of course, I live in a deep fringe area for some Plattsburg stations, so normally I couldn`t get WIRY-1340 except with a weak barely readable audio. What did I do ? I did place the passive tunable PK AM loop, close to the SRF-A1, and used it tuned to 1340 in INDUCTION with the walkman, otherwise it is impossible to recover stereo audio from such a ptifully tiny signal... The PK AM loop is made by Paul Karstrand in Australia... If you have a barefoot Sony portable like the Sony CFS-6000 and want to use it in INDUCTION with an antenna where you can`t otherwise connect your own loop, please feel free to contact him ! PK's Loop Antennas is his e-mail address ! By the way, I just purchased from E-Bay this gem http://cgi.cafr.ebay.ca/Sony-CFS-6000-FM-AM-Stereo-Boombox-Serviced-Super-clean_W0QQitemZ290390228393QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVintage_Electronics_R2?hash=item439c9b3da9 ! I will aircheck some WIRY-1340 songs that I like using the PK AM Loop I buyed for around 160 dollars (incl. shipping to Canada from Aussie land !) and post them on this Yahoo! group. I will do so as soon as it arrives... Fortunatly, it didn`t attrackted too many bidders ! Thanks for so many answer ! I guess I`m lucky to live in an area where at noon I can get a semi-local, albeit a deep fringe one, to decode Motorola C-Quam at least half-decently for a mid-FI sound (at least, that`s how it sound to the DXer I am) ! And believe it or not...in the small room where we pack our clothes I can the best noise-free reception on 1340 being further from our neighbors`s Wi-Fi, so I had to throw our clothes in another room... You know how AM Stereo is for me, especially those days... May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: How many of these stations are still in stereo ? WIRY-1340 (true stereo or false stereo-like effect DUE TO PLATFORM MOTION) ? CHNC-610 (I doubt, but maybe) ? WICC-600 (they used to be stereo a few years ago) ? WBLQ-1230 ? CFCO-630 (only audible at night, so I can`t attest it was platform motion or real stereo although at a time, there was some separation that seemed to come from the same station, not CFCO-630 in the right channel and WMAL-630 in the left one, in WPRO null - but using a first generation Motorola receiver, it`s hard to tell) ? Why in stereo if // 92.9 is in stereo ? Since they turned on 92.9, have they followed up using 630 for C-Quam purposes ? France Bleue-864 (using a narrow filter with Motorola capability, this TA catche should be readable in ST using a good loop, as it is one of the most reliable TA catches, though I`ve heard they have turned off their C-Quam exciter during the last couple of months, right ?) WINY-1350 ? WHat is the daytime pattern of WINY-1350 ? Does it power down during critical hours ? At night they are using 79 W of power, while during sunlight hours it jump to a respectable power of 5000 W ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Tue Jan 19 08:04:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44920 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2010 16:03:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2010 16:03:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2010 16:03:08 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWI000UO4L7IV60@VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca>; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:03:08 -0500 (EST) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: amstereo@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:03:04 -0500 X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: WINY-1350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=5sBjTtJtW9SaaWJP9xgCufZygRW6FlJSM52BaPbdIIHfgRJiOzptpbw X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bogdan, Our daytime power is 5kw non-directional. Yes, we still broadcast in Motorola C-Quam AM Stereo and it sounds great! Thanks for discovering WINY. Gary Osbrey President/GM WINY Radio Putnam, CT USA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Tue Jan 19 08:11:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5034 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2010 16:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2010 16:09:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2010 16:09:32 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MO-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWI00M494VUSE40@VL-MO-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:09:31 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <16E9CE5AB0EB46C5A0C85108BE819A1B@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, PK's Loop Antennas Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 11:09:27 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: WIRY-1340 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=rReETo0sk_zIxK8Rf4vUAab90zZbo4gpcQpvY9CKnVOLrhfBDGV9ufs X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try to Google--- AM Stereo on the computer. I think you'll find a number of radio's out there. Thanks, Bob Pooler WIRY Btw.: In the same neighborhood, in Newport, VT, there is WIKE-1490 which is audible in the Montreal for half an hour or so before the other graveyarders fade up ! Are they still C-Quam ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 08:53:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12880 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2010 16:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jan 2010 16:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 2010 16:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2010 16:50:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jan 2010 16:50:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:50:24 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=lj_vA5ksQvvqwMz-vM3-9yLeax2HX8q7DoySxMQyPf46mJ4yNzQ8jmI X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio WIRY just moved last year from their original transmitter site to a new sit= e near the old Air Force Base, so maybe that is helping their signal a litt= le bit. WIRY is a GREAT radio station - a full service local station with t= urntables and a stereo AM transmitter! I wish that there were more Mom & Po= p stations like WIRY on the AM band (in stereo of course). Their DJ's play = pretty much what they want too! IIRC, they have some photos on the web of t= heir studio and giant record collection! It might be worth a trip to Cleveland sometime, then you could receive the = AM stereo station in Bucyrus (WBCO), from Columbus, and CFCO. Now if we could just get WJR's scared engineer to flip the exciter back on = - it's there, they have a stereo audio chain (leftovers from IBOC), then 50= KW of CQuam babycakes! John From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 16:31:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62060 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2010 00:31:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2010 00:31:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2010 00:31:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38956 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2010 00:31:04 -0000 Message-ID: <994398.36673.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6.TYE4YVM1lSM8SffpRGjPZbOnj2HcoZLLuto.ZSCUfNC9gxbdPNrcTssdYgAePVQLRNt3ymldj0qrf7GkFhBZ5ese.RVV9KOdnpR7StPH0n8ku2FvMzqbjgqXkdSz59U2biaYWSd5MlO62abXpGWPA3abhpzj0VBcNe9w7OHs4o2ECQwnC5OCdyz1bE9IOJJi2QWXlxDZfW2NzPK8TLnng1.yufbHCGH9bYRpMB47MT7iCB9X58cooigdk8CpJQvb0yRTQkkIEA2KL4kiBUzJ98r9ohoVko3el5F4q7vO.PG8reQEa5l5eM8xwW_qclzR3NfT3DTYZXUeZOhMtaC1nLd5zFukUCwHwe.lByPsv.VAdAbQnoxajNlOo8FHbOOXerkxeRD5TvS6Cxy.b854OWwcEUqRXr9Nu5HJpBmDF345UOQNpWIE2fwMkhElbvFjVftxgUmWjdtF0Cgwcg1O9SPVpuUufiXcdRKa7P6FND6VVB2v0rOHjaQylLFcyGnezYBf7.Ih_sKHajy51Vwacjcl7uo_TqLwYLq8egLL.8WMM0LpfhCHR0__QR2ljTa_gqRreiKK_GIaMAob6TE0xdGfRLmBYsEoJkfeSj6ZZq6oiJwhGlqnTRvDGzX0gKgZSU3ebu.8fMe4bnL8Dm7UTcsQuhE6mKZZ5h7Qh21IJ0YAIMtepRrdkC0Imczch9IgRmqlb.DFwUczIJ.VfEbaujlwvlPP1iJJm2OsspNN02iglX5E5Es6IGNjQujMBtGRd77IeEzYk9QRnTiCxtCbKg5jS2_30sYkvcqA.enJFtfHyXhXrQ3pro2XZgwJ9oV_4NPdS2XMVmY_FlrQY58wy_r4q9VbRDQHLG3BlJ2XcgXYPSbpX8rD0WVPkSFkXAsM0IoOv1pF9eIoergf2_hVx_lNZ0gfD1WwMqGFvIqdlveTl6ma84D8gA..V8b5ADOxtpG7NR6neANIRdQxRr7yH.Il_Tk_gacqwgI7msCly02HDT9NMRyULMSk8HSETrO8M5WZJoxyPcM6pS6zhj1u1fwewmqJjbRYlqg5mwBXDjHxYKBMOAJXEldKrH0Mr6nEYU3iu4.qBxv9TpYJj7XJ35AZ.5Ey9W.8pnyG0FnyKx3VSaPd.xl4tzb5Vs4dV5yF.IY.UIIKJscaAheCRaGZujdKio6.il7RH.mG2Q9UdGlJzS2wboOBAheF.Bk581PAu5LlPML3yAwdOitGLdhHFiT67iCBTsTRhaXNEwupDzsA-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:31:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:31:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=_JyeBR2sOAOIrlznvW7KiyPSKSMQBdQ8S_4DFsnUhOxNtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TURNTABLES?!? =C2=A0Like in big round things that turn pieces of vinyl? =C2= =A0Uh ,are they HIRING?My cue fingers still get itchy every time I see a 45= :>) =C2=A0I'd work for just food and a roof to do it the old-school way ag= ain. (Wonder if they still have rotary pots on the board)=C2=A0G --- On Tue, 1/19/10, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} Re: WIRY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 11:50 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 WIRY just moved last year from their original transmitter site to a n= ew site near the old Air Force Base, so maybe that is helping their signal = a little bit. WIRY is a GREAT radio station - a full service local station = with turntables and a stereo AM transmitter! I wish that there were more Mo= m & Pop stations like WIRY on the AM band (in stereo of course). Their DJ's= play pretty much what they want too! IIRC, they have some photos on the we= b of their studio and giant record collection! It might be worth a trip to Cleveland sometime, then you could receive the = AM stereo station in Bucyrus (WBCO), from Columbus, and CFCO. Now if we could just get WJR's scared engineer to flip the exciter back on = - it's there, they have a stereo audio chain (leftovers from IBOC), then 50= KW of CQuam babycakes! John =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Jan 19 16:34:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70678 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2010 00:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2010 00:34:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2010 00:34:02 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 98548 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2010 00:34:01 -0000 Message-ID: <882502.95617.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 2_KKufQVM1lvhOdnlf8FQsLnPjSwXcv_gDaOIVWuWUidl.7JM.UAJ3Er17HC7VAbEyrc3mHYCY1Q60OjhoZYeTxS9OejDajk80bfZjGc5Zrt1Si9m6jhLu6vBWd27h6vBR7wGOH0ZLfTG_0p8TE5duxGkvUzA9fNjMueUXR3nNpJyXrFh5lmMNURQNDI3xxmuBvb9VZVXflZuovWz45MT2ewCS2NudlMQf6O4iHdoQ2u4G.iDKUsykE0JSp1lX0HcTb1vvMV7HBEhJI7HnUZUgIGGKk634xQP4fBlY4UT14wWRlHBiXCwwzDF8uzkBaTdugPpzvj2pgVVr4mtbhUTaqap7bJj0XDUscU5nE.NV8Bp4ogwCRHnXqadegoGuyeNvpn2z8xGycoQAQx4PpA0ppBcAEV3Xcc5_jpJIG8ARvfhOyKjyvF6LVGn_DpXUriNoXbNhRkWqK95TSp4X3iI0F9nanwSIXoyw80m.l7hSdXhDpOTdHs9A18GE2RR3Wve1GdrasgRT14ni1bvsqII4idY9ZOxtjZQnW5h1AJ15d67HYpwUtgtgfZja8gZz.LtTJkX6.AUQLfq2bREJqf7U__QP18Nc10FgndnM8v.JeCIXukAnAohdUc.N5BaYlOd1sdUx9E2Iv1Tf6.oQRrgYlL.NJ6OnyauPPsYoSzM3vxwGE8W2Ax_IGimnMMbY.lKVtyDnaYK1ty2oxmKAAUOEKY4jEpZd0QCuVeQ2KXvsCcF4ihGJ3CYT685T6vZnhV9x3fV_e6d9IUFYv0YjLCjqy.A.58fK1DlFRrwzGE20mObG8q9V1gY1lfz5KuYeAbf2Jiuay8mQP95MRQxlXtqmpUq0NChoYiiUhz2Vd7vfFkB_UCh5b7nxnG6hglJ4d0abNE_8vlTVlo_HOTqllw5H3a.JrrnOmwRqHq1v4jJg.snGnEZxPFjFDyet1W5tbY_n_AmwGsQnh.6442_Tom_qr5ljK7vZJIECs7PmD9QaueovNgqLyyuRtBzte8QqSXSqevQkc71eJ1InU9wwBIl8I2MfbbxD8rjiEEingQawRf549G9_4h6bPZzqfjmUtcTyWagdw2oQBzzf19FxltNaqcRZwjPTj_F.npSqDNGKahumLMgfvdFDtWjR4piDrwMC6o1XHHcIuHl84tN5gXi.fhLNDYUuQyRZigW5cADP5UNsEvS6dGaV6gpULS3QZ.am.ubtKW4UgYNPIqTLb6L7kSOmcjL.ZsMCym.9PNXWlxCHGba70Tkax3isFMISCe9lc74Ky_ChIQ6veIgM8D9L86EPgjeSCTflMCmMpU6zDuXpXvboawg1wVCKdr0aBj9AXGMFZktG8fRkBaVSGXvbuzv9QYmFwM5SchL9GY76v7IOAiDPe62gs- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:34:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:34:01 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3B37918ED6424C2D8E4DEC137D0F7A98@MirelaPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=xtRWBlMlqKXe804x3YUAkz4Thky4qrXR9ggqqJDgnQonjw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't know about the others, but CFCO is definitely still C-QUAM stereo. = =C2=A0They used to even say so on the hourly jingle, back when they were to= p-40 oldies. =C2=A0The station's engineer takes great pride in the audio qu= ality, too, and it shows!G --- On Tue, 1/19/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 1:51 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Warm greetings ! Maybe country music is done this way, the way of early stereo records... bu= t I heard the drums on HALL AND OATS`S SHE`S GONE (1977) jumping in a very = rhythmic and regular way (not platform motion) from left to right, as the r= hythm of the song was changing, not randomly, so it is indeed stereo... I`m out of luck with Mexico, though XEG-1050 should be remotely possible un= der a once-in-a-lifetime- opening.. . Keep in mind that I have a semi-local= on 1040 in Saint-Constant along with CHUM/WEVD-1050, so it would be EXTREM= ELY hard, ALMOST, but not quite, impossible ! Though I wouldn`t be too stim= ulated to try for XEG, I`m happy enough with ANY Motorla C-Quam station I c= an get ! What is the status of AM Stereo right now ? Any bad luck the small variety = and full-service stations like WIRY-1340 will witch to IBOC ? How many AM S= tereo stations are left in the US ! From Canada, everything except CFCO-630= is out of reach ! Sad ! Also, I think there are AT MUST a half-dozen C-Qua= m stations left in the WHOLE Canada ! Yes, I heard that platform motion effect while listening to Radio Rebelde 6= 00, at one point I had CKAT in one channel and Cuba the other one, while in= forced stereo mode ! Unbelievable ! Cuba on a barefoot walkman ! Something= less spectacular, while walking near some awful powerlines, I heard the bu= zz in one ear and CINW-940 in the other one... It is important to listen ca= refully before noticing any REAL stereo ! I guess it`s because I knew WIRY was still using C-Quam, that I listened ca= refully... Of course, I live in a deep fringe area for some Plattsburg stations, so no= rmally I couldn`t get WIRY-1340 except with a weak barely readable audio. W= hat did I do ? I did place the passive tunable PK AM loop, close to the SRF= -A1, and used it tuned to 1340 in INDUCTION with the walkman, otherwise it = is impossible to recover stereo audio from such a ptifully tiny signal... T= he PK AM loop is made by Paul Karstrand in Australia... If you have a baref= oot Sony portable like the Sony CFS-6000 and want to use it in INDUCTION wi= th an antenna where you can`t otherwise connect your own loop, please feel = free to contact him ! PK's Loop Antennas is his e= -mail address ! By the way, I just purchased from E-Bay this gem http://cgi.cafr. ebay.ca/= Sony- CFS-6000- FM-AM-Stereo- Boombox-Serviced -Super-clean_ W0QQitemZ29039= 02 28393QQcmdZViewI temQQptZVintage_ Electronics_ R2?hash=3Ditem439c 9b3da9= ! I will aircheck some WIRY-1340 songs that I like using the PK AM Loop I = buyed for around 160 dollars (incl. shipping to Canada from Aussie land !) = and post them on this Yahoo! group. I will do so as soon as it arrives... F= ortunatly, it didn`t attrackted too many bidders ! Thanks for so many answer ! I guess I`m lucky to live in an area where at n= oon I can get a semi-local, albeit a deep fringe one, to decode Motorola C-= Quam at least half-decently for a mid-FI sound (at least, that`s how it sou= nd to the DXer I am) ! And believe it or not...in the small room where we p= ack our clothes I can the best noise-free reception on 1340 being further f= rom our neighbors`s Wi-Fi, so I had to throw our clothes in another room...= You know how AM Stereo is for me, especially those days... May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: How many of these stations are still in stereo ? WIRY-1340 (true stereo or false stereo-like effect DUE TO PLATFORM MOTION) = ? CHNC-610 (I doubt, but maybe) ? WICC-600 (they used to be stereo a few years ago) ? WBLQ-1230 ? CFCO-630 (only audible at night, so I can`t attest it was platform motion o= r real stereo although at a time, there was some separation that seemed to = come from the same station, not CFCO-630 in the right channel and WMAL-630 = in the left one, in WPRO null - but using a first generation Motorola recei= ver, it`s hard to tell) ? Why in stereo if // 92.9 is in stereo ? Since the= y turned on 92.9, have they followed up using 630 for C-Quam purposes ? France Bleue-864 (using a narrow filter with Motorola capability, this TA c= atche should be readable in ST using a good loop, as it is one of the most = reliable TA catches, though I`ve heard they have turned off their C-Quam ex= citer during the last couple of months, right ?) WINY-1350 ? WHat is the daytime pattern of WINY-1350 ? Does it power down d= uring critical hours ? At night they are using 79 W of power, while during = sunlight hours it jump to a respectable power of 5000 W ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Wed Jan 20 16:34:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75606 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2010 00:34:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2010 00:34:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 00:34:27 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWK00D0IMX7XEH0@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:34:21 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <21F812F71C174F1BA987262168A738E0@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <430599.43341.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <430599.43341.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:34:15 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=6whCHUKrWMfNF6r4eqC06HTgaNjQHzxWiJL6rlGoQMfJ7j7h2ygr5L0 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warm greetings once again ! I just found this on wikipedia... Hope it helps ! 2009 Diponti Communications moved the local news and variety programming of WBLQ= -LP (96.7 FM, Ashaway, Rhode Island) to WXNI's more powerful AM signal.[3] = WXNI begins broadcasting in C-QUAM A.M. Stereo. This is good news indeed ! Their signal might reach the MTL area under auro= ral conditions when the QRM from the other graveyarders is less of a proble= m, as it is on a north-south path rathger than an east-west one and 1230 is= one of the less crowded LOCAL frequencies... However, I`ll have to wait la= te night for the powerline buzz to be done... I wonder what`s up with the p= owerline buzz that is SEVERELY pestering the AM band here in Pierrefonds, I= will call HydroQuebec later this week or the next one ! Usually it dissape= ars after midnight, but my energy too dissapears if I don`t fall asleep the= n... In any event, I`ve slept a bit this afternoon in order to be able to D= X more this ``morning``, as the DX might sooner or later replace the POWERL= INE BUZZ which is on for too long still... We might have semi-auroral condx tonight according to the A and K index, th= ough it`s hard to check the radio dials with the HydroQuebec BUZZ machines = ! May the good DX be with you, nevertheless ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 5:09 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station =20=20=20=20 As reported 11/30/09! Paul, how's the shift on Cool Country by the way? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (V31VQ renewal when I get around to it) --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Paul B. Walker, Jr. wr= ote: From: Paul B. Walker, Jr. Subject: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 8:01 AM =20=20=20 I don't believe when it was public radio that WXNI was AM Stereo, but I j= ust saw new owner Christopher Dipaola refer to the station as Stereo AM 1230 WBLQ. The station is in Westerly, Rhode Island. Paul Walker www.onairdj. com www.facebook. com/onairdj walkerbroadcastign@ gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Wed Jan 20 16:42:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9701 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2010 00:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2010 00:42:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 00:42:20 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWK008ZYN5MNZ00@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:39:25 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <3155940702144C65810D42F24B386BA4@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <220953.92109.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <220953.92109.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:39:20 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: WIRY vs XEG X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=vK7k368Bq8LXqQPVl6BV58ay52r7f9KHCdfYEUo5I0XiPE3S7vGwcNE X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So you can get XEG-1050 in C-Quam stereo so far away, way up north in Michi= gan ? Congratulations ! It`s indeed an awesome catche ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY =20=20=20=20 C-QUAM might come back if stations that have the exciter would turn it ba= ck on...of course after turning the I-BUZZ off.From Arizona you should easi= ly hear some Mexican stations, try 1570 (XERF), 800 (XEROK), and 1050 (XEG)= , those are high-power stations, I've heard all three here in Michigan, but= as close as you are, there are probably several others you can hear. BTW,= last I heard XEG was still C-QUAM!Good luck,G --- On Mon, 1/18/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 7:43 PM =20=20=20 is cquam going to ever come back? and any mexican stuff I can pick up from tucson az? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY Hmm, voice in one channel, instrument in the other...sounds like the earl= y days of stereo records!=20 But I know the excitement you feel, as after too many years of SW, FM, TV= , and more recording formats than I can remember, I STILL find myself cravi= ng that distant signal on the medium wave band. The static, the "platform s= hift" when in stereo, even the selective fading, just seem to add to the et= hereal and magical quality of good old AM. Most folks wouldn't get that, gl= ad to know YOU do! BTW, ever listen to AM Stereo through headphones? Many of the earlier Son= y portables, notably the SRF-A100 and the more recent SRF-A42, are permanen= tly locked in stereo mode ("forced stereo"), and even when a mono signal is= tuned in, the adjacent and co-channel background seems to swirl around you= in a huge sound stage, moving about as the relative phase shifts between t= he "captured" signal and the other signals. I think even the interference s= ounds better on a stereo receiver! :>) I think this could be used to advantage, too, if an odd theory of mine ho= lds any H-2-0.Hook the outputs from the receiver together out-of-phase, cau= sing any sound that is equal in both channels to cancel out. What is left i= s anything NOT equal in amplitude, which would include any other station th= at is not locked in perfect synch with the one you are canceling out. I got= this idea out of desperation, trying to hear XEROK in Mexico when I live 2= 0 miles from CKLW, and both are on 800 kHz. If this works, then of course t= he desired station would seem to move around at a rate determined by the di= fference in frequency between the two transmitters, but that motion could b= e cancelled out by simply mixing the final results into mono.Same idea coul= d be done by feeding the output of your C-QUAM set into a matrix decoder, s= uch as Dolby Surround/Pro Logic/Pro Logic II, or even an old QS or EV Quad = decoder,, and the local signal would be mainly in the front channels, and the distant one in the rears. If all else fails, at least y= ou would get simulated AM Quad! I would have tried this already, but my las= t surviving AM Stereo radio is not doing too well right now. Maybe somebody= with a good receiver and a some form of matrix decoder could try this? I'd= love to know if it works!Happy DXing...may the waves be with you!George --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: {AMSF} WIRY To: ABDX@yahoogroups. com Cc: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 10:00 AM Warm greetings ! Before getting any further, I just wanted to let you know I heard the voi= ce of the C&W singer in the left channel and the guitar in the right one, s= o this is true stereo ! A huge thank to WIRY in Plattsburg, NY for making g= roundwave AMS DXing possible at noon ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds / Montreal`s West Island, QC Btw.: More about Motorola C-Quam later ! I found a surprise this week-end= on EBay ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 21 11:41:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29468 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2010 19:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2010 19:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 19:41:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2010 19:36:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2010 19:36:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:36:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.50.105.250 From: "jotape1960" Subject: The AM Reliability X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=gBB9JqBoLtWJ6NQ5fFOJ4gHUgGOcSe3kTFTT02_wi6s6YcgsaA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! I just wonder if there was/is some proposal to the FCC to use some another = band (not MW or SW) to the standard Amplitud Modulation Broadcasting, analo= g and/or digital, mono and/or stereo. Why? Well... to me, the best two proofs about the very good reliability of = the AM system are: FM Stereo and TV transmissions!!! How? So simple: The audio difference (L-R) channel, absolutely necessary to= the stereo effect in the analog FM Stereo system, is... AM!!! The video pa= rt of any TV system is... AM!!! So... I remember some test we did decades ago (1980s) with devices working at UHF= amateur bands, AM mode and SSB mode, and I remember very good results. Why= not to use this with the "High Weight" class? There was/is some proposal about this? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 21 11:50:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18516 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2010 19:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2010 19:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 19:50:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2010 19:46:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2010 19:46:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:46:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <220953.92109.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.50.105.250 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=mVJdeXnJLO344v1yUBQTG6htfn5iD9u66MF8jYr6KL9pAQjUig X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 We need more than C-Quam exciters on the air. We need a deep, so deep, chan= ge of mind of ALL the AM stations owners related to the program format and.= .. MUSIC, PLEASE!!! Of course, we can not to forget the receivers issue: How many 10 kHz audio = bandpass, low distortion, very good AC noise filtering AND STEREO AM receiv= ers are there, today, in the market? 25 different models? 20? 15? 10? 5? ??= ? Can you get a PC radio receiver card WITH AM? Can you get a MP4 device wi= th radio, and with the AM band? Can you get a cell phone with radio, and th= e AM band? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > C-QUAM might come back if stations that have the exciter would turn it ba= ck on...of course after turning the I-BUZZ off.From Arizona you should easi= ly hear some Mexican stations, try 1570 (XERF), 800 (XEROK), and 1050 (XEG)= , those are high-power stations, I've heard all three here in Michigan, but= as close as you are, there are probably several others you can hear. =C2= =A0BTW, last I heard XEG was still C-QUAM!Good luck,G > --- On Mon, 1/18/10, hank smith wrote: >=20 > From: hank smith > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 7:43 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > is cquam going to ever come back? >=20 > and any mexican stuff I can pick up from tucson az? >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 >=20 > From: george russell=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:50 PM >=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hmm, voice in one channel, instrument in the other...sounds like the earl= y days of stereo records!=20=20 >=20 > But I know the excitement you feel, as after too many years of SW, FM, = TV, and more recording formats than I can remember, I STILL find myself cra= ving that distant signal on the medium wave band. The static, the "platfor= m shift" when in stereo, even the selective fading, just seem to add to the= ethereal and magical quality of good old AM. Most folks wouldn't get that= , glad to know YOU do! >=20 > BTW, ever listen to AM Stereo through headphones? Many of the earlier S= ony portables, notably the SRF-A100 and the more recent SRF-A42, are perman= ently locked in stereo mode ("forced stereo"), and even when a mono signal = is tuned in, the adjacent and co-channel background seems to swirl around = you in a huge sound stage, moving about as the relative phase shifts betwee= n the "captured" signal and the other signals. I think even the interferen= ce sounds better on a stereo receiver! :>) >=20 > I think this could be used to advantage, too, if an odd theory of mine = holds any H-2-0.Hook the outputs from the receiver together out-of-phase, c= ausing any sound that is equal in both channels to cancel out. What is lef= t is anything NOT equal in amplitude, which would include any other station= that is not locked in perfect synch with the one you are canceling out. I= got this idea out of desperation, trying to hear XEROK in Mexico when I li= ve 20 miles from CKLW, and both are on 800 kHz. If this works, then of cou= rse the desired station would seem to move around at a rate determined by t= he difference in frequency between the two transmitters, but that motion co= uld be cancelled out by simply mixing the final results into mono.Same idea= could be done by feeding the output of your C-QUAM set into a matrix decod= er, such as Dolby Surround/Pro Logic/Pro Logic II, or even an old QS or EV = Quad decoder,, and the local signal would be mainly in the front >=20 > channels, and the distant one in the rears. If all else fails, at least= you would get simulated AM Quad! I would have tried this already, but my = last surviving AM Stereo radio is not doing too well right now. Maybe some= body with a good receiver and a some form of matrix decoder could try this?= I'd love to know if it works!Happy DXing...may the waves be with you!Geor= ge >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Mirela Chiochiu >=20 > Subject: {AMSF} WIRY >=20 > To: ABDX@yahoogroups. com >=20 > Cc: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 > Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 10:00 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 > Warm greetings ! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Before getting any further, I just wanted to let you know I heard the voi= ce of the C&W singer in the left channel and the guitar in the right one, s= o this is true stereo ! A huge thank to WIRY in Plattsburg, NY for making g= roundwave AMS DXing possible at noon ! >=20 >=20 >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! >=20 >=20 >=20 > Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds / Montreal`s West Island, QC >=20 >=20 >=20 > Btw.: More about Motorola C-Quam later ! I found a surprise this week-end= on EBay ! >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Thu Jan 21 13:34:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41267 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2010 21:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2010 21:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 21:34:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2010 21:32:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2010 21:32:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:32:05 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: The AM Reliability X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=HCZyH17ixh2vLzP_bp89_K5NILQ0mH-NB8s0G707YaYbFgdHBij5KVe6 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon In the 1930s and 1940s, such experimental broadcasts were taking place in m= any cities in the United States. The term "APEX" was commonly used to desc= ribe such stations. (For more details, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A= pex_%28radio_band%29 ) The frequencies used were roughly in the range of 2= 5 to 42 MHz. There was also W9XHZ, an experimental AM broadcast station in Bloomington, = Indiana that used 87.750 MHz (the frequency normally used for the TV Channe= l 6 aural carrier). The operator of W9XHZ called his service "HiFAM" (it i= s unclear whether this was supposed to stand for High-Frequency AM or High-= Fidelity AM). HiFAM was received either using a converter and a regular AM= radio or with an AM table radio that had been modified to receive 87.7 MHz= . (Follow this link for more information and photos of the 87.7 MHz AM tab= le radio -> http://www.somerset.net/arm/reprints/sarkes_tarzian.pdf ) From an engineering standpoint, the main intent of the HiFAM experiment was= to test whether FM really provided the amount of noise rejection that Arms= trong had claimed, or whether the good signal-to-noise ratios associated wi= th FM broadcasting were more a product of the low levels of electrical nois= e found at VHF frequencies. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > HI GANG!!! >=20 > I just wonder if there was/is some proposal to the FCC to use some anothe= r band (not MW or SW) to the standard Amplitud Modulation Broadcasting, ana= log and/or digital, mono and/or stereo. >=20 > Why? Well... to me, the best two proofs about the very good reliability o= f the AM system are: FM Stereo and TV transmissions!!! >=20 > How? So simple: The audio difference (L-R) channel, absolutely necessary = to the stereo effect in the analog FM Stereo system, is... AM!!! The video = part of any TV system is... AM!!! So... >=20 > I remember some test we did decades ago (1980s) with devices working at U= HF amateur bands, AM mode and SSB mode, and I remember very good results. W= hy not to use this with the "High Weight" class? >=20 > There was/is some proposal about this? >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 21 15:58:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27286 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2010 23:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2010 23:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 23:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0LNwKFJ001026 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:58:21 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.c59.5de0ba29 (34921) for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:58:14 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-md03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.156]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA036-d4344b58ea0e23c; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:58:10 -0500 X-Received: from magic-m19.mail.aol.com (magic-m19.mail.aol.com [172.21.136.208]) by smtprly-md03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD033-d4344b58ea0e23c; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:58:06 -0500 Message-ID: <15b6c.307988b6.388a440e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:58:06 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.136.208 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} The AM Reliability X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=J2sfX12upD_C3_S_X6UPuO7F_omYNjMlIYTF7Uo0YCuWZbMRbSRL07053gGoWHhI X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, You are correct. Video used to be broadcast with a form of amplitude modulation. It isn't any longer. I believe one day everything will be digital because it allows a more efficient use of available bandwidth. Years ago, bandwidth, as in the number of channels (AM, FM, or TV), meant money. A station's license was considered far more valuable than its physical plant. Nowadays, even without the new technology, there is a glut of bandwidth. That glut depressed ad rates which is the life's blood of commercial broadcasting. Stations have been forced to automate, reduce staff, and ultimately reduce the quality of their product. Some have just gone dark altogether. It's analogous to improved farm techology in the beginning of the 20th. Century. It allowed farmers to produce far more than the available market could support. As farm prices fell, farmers produced even more in an attempt to break even. This caused a downward spiral during the 1920s which was one of prime causes of the Great Depression. In my opinion, I believe we should return to regulatory scheme for the AM devised in the 1930s. That being, a limited number of geographically diverse high power stations operating with on clear channels with CONUS frequency protection. The next teir would be somewhat lower power stations operating out of larger cities that would serve regions of the US. The lowest teir would be local stations operating with a kilowatt or so to serve small rural communities. I would consider allowing major clear channel stations to operate at superpower of 500kW or more. As someone else mentioned, regional stations should be allowed up to 50kW due to the expansion of the urban areas they serve since the 1930s. The obligation of having a 500kW clear channel license would be unique local content, not Rush, Hannity, C2C, and the like. If someone operating a station with that kind of reach cannot generate enough listenship to support that kind of program content, they shouldn't have the license. You mention reliability. AM radios are ubiquitous from great grandpa's Zenith console to 5-transistor pocket radios to car radios of all ages. AM, with adequate power and frequency protection, can cover vast areas with a reliable signal. We need not look back any further than a few years ago when Hurricaine Katrina struck New Orleans. Legendary WWL with its 50,000 watt signal on AM clear channel 870 was the lifeline during that disaster. I believe it would enhance our national security to have every square foot of the United States within the 500uV skywave contour of one of a handful of survivable 500kW superpower stations. By survivable, I mean backup generators and transmitters, and towers that are away from faults and can withstand an F5 tornado. Now that Air America is no more, there should be plenty of good people available to staff such stations. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Jan 21 16:05:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11705 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2010 00:05:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2010 00:05:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.40) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2010 00:05:02 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0M04tBq028078 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:04:56 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.d61.65aa855d (37183) for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:04:54 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.144]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA055-5bae4b58eb901bd; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:04:54 -0500 X-Received: from magic-m19.mail.aol.com (magic-m19.mail.aol.com [172.21.136.208]) by smtprly-da01.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA015-5bae4b58eb901bd; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:04:32 -0500 Message-ID: <15e07.2e096573.388a4590@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:04:32 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.136.208 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.40 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=D0LguUj9asNbdjDHVOBBmc0qTnKGySThi04rcBDw41O13hVXPmPeTQAOTI2nDprz X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, You mentioned the 10khz audio bandwith limit. I do not believe it is neither necessary nor effective. I have looked at the spectrum of music program material and the amplitude of the content above 10khz would not cause a station to exceed FCC bandwidth limits even without a 10khz low pass filter. With does cause a station to exceed its bandwidth is distortion of program material below 10khz. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 21 19:37:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62043 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2010 03:37:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2010 03:37:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2010 03:37:26 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 27186 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2010 03:37:03 -0000 Message-ID: <686538.27053.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: gtVZEoAVM1mdrD7pS9_ydp73zgvHnHPyf6Km9fVZCWKwVHqWfrx6ZBy8EL1atkbDCgpK0ZPpkkKGj3lpMQVLQvC3AJmjHDIu1rprNgJkVSU3vi80eo2qA_FRPI9VaFD6KX1M8Hx36aUwgcyru5i27oQM4qyTUz9ka1R8dMuKVBQsZl6muxtH_Z9Qld3s39N3OZ4rkLLGfNKlFSMRFc7ibwRJ0F7I8hQPGN_k23VA4T5ZN3rfsau6WdbocpHtQ2IpMwAs0mECF87z0mwtVDrRtDHh__bWEqqaxbUfspT0lhFo4jIMFDtjs6uov3SsbgTBf0RKFNblshT7q5SrsOzuUL2w0sJSp84sFO0lzRsa5KvStvQ9u.x0Z9PMvOv7Kn_p8I9S7FANqfsST0oxLNa911VpLk1N4pzHICTaa0qkenJgYWtLGwcsFEcJyeCnsqTpu7.tLe.1uD5LxmuQMb_EIfcoD.kwYspwofgOHgV8n91Uir9eAKFymXlmknD_Jg16KwPwhLQW27Fdaugz4MmZv2W.A.hV_fH3EwbdGsgI82m8lWw6QR.11T5V9seWNGiGrKOsGR5EaVZtlPo5kjW.TeY- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:37:03 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:37:03 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3155940702144C65810D42F24B386BA4@MirelaPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY vs XEG X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=WKSvlfuo39FOQCp8moOVvxBjr2zPcAipXTh3mzW36FtGbw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, XEG is a rare catch up here, I have to be away from the city (Detroit= ) to do it, but usually 1-2 times a year I can hear it when farther north. = As for stereo, I don't know if they still are, but I DID catch them in ster= eo several years ago, on a really good DX night, just west of Flint. =C2=A0= XERF and XEROK, on the other hand, are fairly easy catches, but unfortunate= ly, both are mono :>( =C2=A0That's the fun of AM, you never know what might= come crawling into your receiver next! =C2=A0My record catches are a stati= on in Venezuela, on 530 kHz., and the best one, a 50-watter from Albuquerqu= e, New Mexico...quite a haul from Michigan! =C2=A0I complain about noisy po= wer lines, crowded channels, and the usual stuff most DXer's don't like, bu= t also see it as a challenge to be met head on. =C2=A0That is why I love to= go camping away from the city, me, a nice fire, a big loop antenna, and a = good MW receiver...now THAT is living!Sometimes I take a good receiver alon= g, like a Kenwood or Icom communications set, but often as not, I like tinkering wit= h a little one-tube home-made rig...makes it that much more fun.I guess peo= ple who would rather just push a button and have the station come in clear,= think DXer's are a bit crazy, but I see it this way...You can go the groce= ry store, buy a box of fish, and cook it in the microwave, OR head out in a= boat or over to a river, and catch the fish yourself. =C2=A0Either way, yo= u WILL get your dinner, but what is more rewarding?(I don't fish myself, bu= t the analogy seems to make sense, no?)Anybody can tune in a local 50 kW. f= lamer on a modern digital set, so do I if I need a weather or traffic repor= t, but the thrill of catching the "big one" with all the odds stacked again= st you, that is just too big a thrill for me to outgrow. =C2=A0And to catch= a weak signal in STEREO, well that's just adds=C2=A0the icing on the cake!= OK, no more preaching to the choir...guess I am a bit overly passionate abo= ut my hobby at times...G --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: {AMSF} WIRY vs XEG To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 7:39 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 So you can get XEG-1050 in C-Quam stereo so far away, way up north in= Michigan ? Congratulations ! It`s indeed an awesome catche ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY C-QUAM might come back if stations that have the exciter would turn it back= on...of course after turning the I-BUZZ off.From Arizona you should easily= hear some Mexican stations, try 1570 (XERF), 800 (XEROK), and 1050 (XEG), = those are high-power stations, I've heard all three here in Michigan, but a= s close as you are, there are probably several others you can hear. BTW, l= ast I heard XEG was still C-QUAM!Good luck,G --- On Mon, 1/18/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 7:43 PM is cquam going to ever come back? and any mexican stuff I can pick up from tucson az? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY Hmm, voice in one channel, instrument in the other...sounds like the early = days of stereo records!=20 But I know the excitement you feel, as after too many years of SW, FM, TV, = and more recording formats than I can remember, I STILL find myself craving= that distant signal on the medium wave band. The static, the "platform shi= ft" when in stereo, even the selective fading, just seem to add to the ethe= real and magical quality of good old AM. Most folks wouldn't get that, glad= to know YOU do! BTW, ever listen to AM Stereo through headphones? Many of the earlier Sony = portables, notably the SRF-A100 and the more recent SRF-A42, are permanentl= y locked in stereo mode ("forced stereo"), and even when a mono signal is t= uned in, the adjacent and co-channel background seems to swirl around you i= n a huge sound stage, moving about as the relative phase shifts between the= "captured" signal and the other signals. I think even the interference sou= nds better on a stereo receiver! :>) I think this could be used to advantage, too, if an odd theory of mine hold= s any H-2-0.Hook the outputs from the receiver together out-of-phase, causi= ng any sound that is equal in both channels to cancel out. What is left is = anything NOT equal in amplitude, which would include any other station that= is not locked in perfect synch with the one you are canceling out. I got t= his idea out of desperation, trying to hear XEROK in Mexico when I live 20 = miles from CKLW, and both are on 800 kHz. If this works, then of course the= desired station would seem to move around at a rate determined by the diff= erence in frequency between the two transmitters, but that motion could be = cancelled out by simply mixing the final results into mono.Same idea could = be done by feeding the output of your C-QUAM set into a matrix decoder, suc= h as Dolby Surround/Pro Logic/Pro Logic II, or even an old QS or EV Quad de= coder,, and the local signal would be mainly in the front channels, and the distant one in the rears. If all else fails, at least you= would get simulated AM Quad! I would have tried this already, but my last = surviving AM Stereo radio is not doing too well right now. Maybe somebody w= ith a good receiver and a some form of matrix decoder could try this? I'd l= ove to know if it works!Happy DXing...may the waves be with you!George --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: {AMSF} WIRY To: ABDX@yahoogroups. com Cc: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 10:00 AM Warm greetings ! Before getting any further, I just wanted to let you know I heard the voice= of the C&W singer in the left channel and the guitar in the right one, so = this is true stereo ! A huge thank to WIRY in Plattsburg, NY for making gro= undwave AMS DXing possible at noon ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu in Pierrefonds / Montreal`s West Island, QC Btw.: More about Motorola C-Quam later ! I found a surprise this week-end o= n EBay ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Jan 21 19:55:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3742 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2010 03:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2010 03:55:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2010 03:55:49 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 83699 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2010 03:55:48 -0000 Message-ID: <881315.82203.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: LHsqZvEVM1mJK.bfw41YFSPkYXdoOKFAD4CYpWvahz009A7kTfTDmkXJquUlLRzXDNXakntbw8f1w0mt4sTxhP6C_d.F2se9gus9I7pWwjnRu0XF8BwzzuVJzz0W6.uAbiReIZDnQqm549buTiWQqMzAI2sy_iC0XzNMvu1ACp82SimvLPSsoCcnEp6bXzqiklzvPPP2MnLp5vNNqyjtZxc1Kx5FT_8Wy4mMzDdfs4I1UtsD8AH37JbCqwmvQ4rwOQipV76JmIXxuAZ0XhozCqUidx7k7vEsbrZxFJqkeXMLHdKcCp.k6Q7EFHlzMVqnQMhx1G.AQ.mtfSBAZOnABkgHucOK0ZCZktmwAodpTIzbxPSh3KZ6kEwj15JJnF7hKgmG9vHvO5hZDXr_nMLDzXK8dNfSYUxq3fQvREY838A7PYfFw5wtSqaj8403t25fWUB6Di7jp1qCtVaA6NT4RpHkmq6J7xO9tEONW9NZUkr6Ns.myZ_hU8WoQ_KxmOVtYKtJdxd.eKL4ELk4eGwXZBe9yF6bvA.hkt.2BHi1ZXIdkj.v5mA5ol5dN9PyQLDrUFdq7ycyVgqRKMO865m_btFi8V_Kx30x5ENiLprYVpF9L_PPYDKoHJ3lDSzbdGDkiP0grjndJjvDqIYlk3Kch.FF3hnG5nximegFA1aeJIL74PHqUxjbHaCgnsguyGwru4Q4M6QDywQa6wJUblRQH.3TxlPU9vsjJntP4YpNw0oJz6iW.XCFROIhTOI7MyNLX84XAo1uocxhGlIH0OMfZur4SUD3A2ZYivxGQKDJeb7MGu1o._Fx2JWxiilz8HJ8INVXRZsqZ7egcMrnLlKYa2bqEdWWDyC1fbCL8w9pY3Blvf2LziTreIZ7DP50zRvO9d8R8fw00bI1Vouifcszu1FamW83s3jO4SI8TthkqLhjM_XyxoXHmuiOuY8VEiMoeFNDLHSh.RsZUZHYvcdO.tPd7sW9fY4xvzfA8QsGoragwWOFdR7VkgmcXw1138ZMPZVnUhvQFusHROFL_m7oeKvy1i8dTzEiOqzRoeg7UjXpza59jafo06f24zs9rbBs4QLbTIuHYkiFIVihSCQ6kIH_UidNYutYnUVjn0dgwuzUsxr.SCZv9eHGwd.ED92gAZl25792urglulDPh9IdyY1.Yo8OwtQinhLV2PtnN.vLIUyUGZEU0UsuNwCQ9fciLxF.i3GS3piMY.MwxIrt4Cg4GVLYIwZG1eVZurisObVds3iBEngM_cyXV7z_aDTb6iuwr7GKe.7dAkV5U3_CtLcE9UmtZ38oceuZ9Z9XWV6pv31Z8GPxm9OFF2ebWtZ.iLplgZiJXRAIbzEhHvdt9yT0TJ1RMRpSx74UwsoyEjy8ydzPjUgEILCOG3P4G09vj7anSIC8YdEIxBXqODlCBG2vwFKqtlY.WKarNg-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:55:48 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:55:48 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The AM Reliability X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=R9qwmNy9E5ROByV2pxrt7LCRVA5GCh1xxqtTNtOkBa_OOw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Uh, the L-R in FM Stereo is an AM-suppressed-carrier signal, but it FM's th= e main carrier.(Otherwise, it would never make it through the limiting stag= es of the receiver :>() Right on about the TV, though! =C2=A0People who look down on AM used to get= the same speech from me: "Don't like AM? =C2=A0Then get rid of your TV, be= cause without AM, you would only have the sound!" =C2=A0Unfortunately, ATSC= has settled THAT argument for good, I fear.=C2=A0 --- On Thu, 1/21/10, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} Re: The AM Reliability To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:32 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 In the 1930s and 1940s, such experimental broadcasts were taking plac= e in many cities in the United States. The term "APEX" was commonly used t= o describe such stations. (For more details, see: http://en.wikipedia .org= /wiki/ Apex_%28radio_ band%29 ) The frequencies used were roughly in the r= ange of 25 to 42 MHz. There was also W9XHZ, an experimental AM broadcast station in Bloomington, = Indiana that used 87.750 MHz (the frequency normally used for the TV Channe= l 6 aural carrier). The operator of W9XHZ called his service "HiFAM" (it i= s unclear whether this was supposed to stand for High-Frequency AM or High-= Fidelity AM). HiFAM was received either using a converter and a regular AM= radio or with an AM table radio that had been modified to receive 87.7 MHz= . (Follow this link for more information and photos of the 87.7 MHz AM tab= le radio -> http://www.somerset .net/arm/ reprints/ sarkes_tarzian. pdf ) From an engineering standpoint, the main intent of the HiFAM experiment was= to test whether FM really provided the amount of noise rejection that Arms= trong had claimed, or whether the good signal-to-noise ratios associated wi= th FM broadcasting were more a product of the low levels of electrical nois= e found at VHF frequencies. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jotape1960" wrot= e: > > HI GANG!!! >=20 > I just wonder if there was/is some proposal to the FCC to use some anothe= r band (not MW or SW) to the standard Amplitud Modulation Broadcasting, ana= log and/or digital, mono and/or stereo. >=20 > Why? Well... to me, the best two proofs about the very good reliability o= f the AM system are: FM Stereo and TV transmissions! !! >=20 > How? So simple: The audio difference (L-R) channel, absolutely necessary = to the stereo effect in the analog FM Stereo system, is... AM!!! The video = part of any TV system is... AM!!! So... >=20 > I remember some test we did decades ago (1980s) with devices working at U= HF amateur bands, AM mode and SSB mode, and I remember very good results. W= hy not to use this with the "High Weight" class? >=20 > There was/is some proposal about this? >=20 > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Fri Jan 22 13:15:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38271 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2010 21:15:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2010 21:15:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2010 21:15:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2010 21:12:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2010 21:12:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:12:28 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <881315.82203.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The AM Reliability X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=VIljLRqqF7CVuxqjlZRcHHN3EHsSc0XDQ-h5XIKJhiwRcnar8dxI0cbj X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon In the ATSC system, the data is transmitted over the air as a vestigial sid= eband AM signal. Three bits are transmitted at a time, meaning that there = are eight possible instantaneous amplitude levels (the modulation scheme is= called 8-VSB for that reason). So, yes, North American television is stil= l AM (in a sense). Other commonly used digital modulation schemes use multiple carriers that a= re modulated in amplitude and phase by the data. The name of this techniqu= e is Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplex--the "orthogonal" part means t= hat interference between the carriers is canceled out by picking the freque= ncy spacing to match the data rate. OFDM was conceived by mathematicians i= n the 1960s, but at that time, it was just a theoretical curiosity because = the circuitry required to generate and decode such signals was not feasible= to build using discrete components or the simple ICs of that era. Today, = OFDM is used in IBOC radio, in Qualcomm's Media-FLO system, in WiFi equipme= nt, in DSL modems, in Eureka DAB, by Digital Radio Mondiale, in the DVB-T a= nd ISDB-T digital television systems, and a variety of other applications. About a year ago, I attended a presentation by Charlie Rhodes, who was ATSC= 's chief scientist in charge of selecting the digital television standard f= or use in the United States. Rhodes did his work for ATSC in 1996, and at = that time, the 8-VSB based system (conceived by Zenith) was the best overal= l system, in his engineering judgement. One of the main reasons that he pi= cked 8-VSB was that other competing systems that were presented for evaluat= ion at that time required higher transmitter powers to achieve the same lev= els of coverage. His concern was that more transmitter power would mean a = greater possibility of interference due to receiver front-end overload. The rub is that single-carrier digital transmission schemes (like 8-VSB) re= quire complex "channel equalization" algorithms to be able to deal with mul= tipath, whereas the multiple carrier systems do not. Even with such filter= s, multiple carrier systems are more robust. Rhodes touched on this topic,= saying that if it hadn't been for a number of people in academia doing res= earch on these equalization algorithms in the late 1980s-early 1990s, the Z= enith DTV system would not have worked at all. Having said all that, for the purposes of transmitting audio, the spectral = efficiency of AM--or better yet SSB--seems hard to beat. In the early 1990= s, as the prospect of digital audio in 2-way radios was starting to become = reality, I recall reading an article that said that "amplitude-companded si= deband" (SSB with a compander and a pilot tone) might still have a chance o= f becoming the dominant modulation scheme for communications applications. = Unfortunately, things didn't work out that way. There is now an experimen= tal flavor of DRM that is designed to fit in a 2.7kHz bandwidth so that HAM= s can transmit it on the HF bands using conventional SSB transceivers. Wha= t one hears on this system is not compressed version of the audio of a pers= on's voice but a synthesizer that tries to mimic some of the inflection of = the person's voice. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Uh, the L-R in FM Stereo is an AM-suppressed-carrier signal, but it FM's = the main carrier.(Otherwise, it would never make it through the limiting st= ages of the receiver :>() > Right on about the TV, though! =C2=A0People who look down on AM used to g= et the same speech from me: "Don't like AM? =C2=A0Then get rid of your TV, = because without AM, you would only have the sound!" =C2=A0Unfortunately, AT= SC has settled THAT argument for good, I fear.=C2=A0 >=20 > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, AlfredoT wrote: >=20 > From: AlfredoT > Subject: {AMSF} Re: The AM Reliability > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:32 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > In the 1930s and 1940s, such experimental broadcasts were taking pl= ace in many cities in the United States. The term "APEX" was commonly used= to describe such stations. (For more details, see: http://en.wikipedia .o= rg/wiki/ Apex_%28radio_ band%29 ) The frequencies used were roughly in the= range of 25 to 42 MHz. >=20 >=20 >=20 > There was also W9XHZ, an experimental AM broadcast station in Bloomington= , Indiana that used 87.750 MHz (the frequency normally used for the TV Chan= nel 6 aural carrier). The operator of W9XHZ called his service "HiFAM" (it= is unclear whether this was supposed to stand for High-Frequency AM or Hig= h-Fidelity AM). HiFAM was received either using a converter and a regular = AM radio or with an AM table radio that had been modified to receive 87.7 M= Hz. (Follow this link for more information and photos of the 87.7 MHz AM t= able radio -> http://www.somerset .net/arm/ reprints/ sarkes_tarzian. pdf ) >=20 >=20 >=20 > From an engineering standpoint, the main intent of the HiFAM experiment w= as to test whether FM really provided the amount of noise rejection that Ar= mstrong had claimed, or whether the good signal-to-noise ratios associated = with FM broadcasting were more a product of the low levels of electrical no= ise found at VHF frequencies. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --Alfredo >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jotape1960" wr= ote: >=20 > > >=20 > > HI GANG!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > I just wonder if there was/is some proposal to the FCC to use some anot= her band (not MW or SW) to the standard Amplitud Modulation Broadcasting, a= nalog and/or digital, mono and/or stereo. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Why? Well... to me, the best two proofs about the very good reliability= of the AM system are: FM Stereo and TV transmissions! !! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > How? So simple: The audio difference (L-R) channel, absolutely necessar= y to the stereo effect in the analog FM Stereo system, is... AM!!! The vide= o part of any TV system is... AM!!! So... >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > I remember some test we did decades ago (1980s) with devices working at= UHF amateur bands, AM mode and SSB mode, and I remember very good results.= Why not to use this with the "High Weight" class? >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > There was/is some proposal about this? >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. >=20 > > From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Jan 22 14:11:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25466 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2010 22:11:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2010 22:11:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2010 22:11:33 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 12483 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jan 2010 22:11:32 -0000 Message-ID: <485266.11162.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QvMwihkVM1lLtAHFqTdSapQ0cjJs9sO3QYQYU22eDgR0qiU5ml_G2GHzJjAas7Nr3wQ9uUqBLq9BRNN3Dtdl.6tgIG_jBWLwx1Zimf69eLBUEZvInC8v8ulJ61VRqQsVkMTYyOLdzAFVSuDb_aQ1.ljYP4AYRXtSGrLVj0..aa8tlEu932HR_ZLfbkCwynA8wdf6rgIRexMF4Wo3DDNs5pFlrtbze52hV05OwKtTdqsxr0M1vX7LHdo4F2vhCLWdwPpRQoX_roI9d1KJa3LyJROC6HJm8dZNBWKuYjdWp83_L5zrgNiz_jJI8JbScTl.b7HOWlFdEoiT_GETqY64W_OIjL3J3vKFAnPOW_sWI..pUe.yQN_wqkKdxm_kj4D6uY0GUlRWV3EkOkffQVjLXF7CCJouxMc3gzMejf8zM3QiQ5iLMxI476fSTtzL4Z.2TtNzOy8QjR2JFcXTnOGAJpgt4aDg0Zv12WCCqdVRt2yhOLO65mbvmijn5bP10kkxUIdjwklhBTl7ozTK.OtyM4a.5oKTBoxOX2D3VEh5NqDmSTwkIFcSZqiK9zUrJQwM2QAUlQHf7vuaxRnJ39dVE7SheOsACqYSXhLjipoi1lixJCpUq7kdXE0- X-Received: from [76.226.121.173] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:11:32 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:11:32 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The AM Reliability X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=aiyswH2kpxX6qHFvNnx_tBusXkOj-V42b6TlnzFt0na-uQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting stuff there!=C2=A0 I wondered what exactly was going on with AT= SC.=C2=A0 So still AM of sorts, that's good. Still, I am sorry to see both AM radio and NTSC television threatened by th= e general assumption that "If it's digital, it must be better".=C2=A0 If th= at's true, why does my 40-year old turntable sound better than an iPod?=C2= =A0 I would break the doors down buying digital stuff to listen to, IF it w= as uncompressed 24bit/96k stuff. =C2=A0=20 When ATSC took over, a LOT of people were sorry to see that just getting th= e "box" wasn't enough...now they had to invest in a new antenna, and someti= mes (in rural areas) a tower to put it on.=C2=A0 Those of us in the city, e= ven near the station, are often plagued with freeze-up, pixelizing, etc, wh= ere-as NTSC could get pretty weak and still be watchable. There is room in this world for both digital and analog, I wish we would st= op having one do the other's job! I guess we're stuck with it, though...I wonder if someday people will resto= re NTSC TVs and analog radios, as we do old cars today?=C2=A0 Maybe I'll be= around to help! G --- On Fri, 1/22/10, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} Re: The AM Reliability To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 4:12 PM =C2=A0=20 In the ATSC system, the data is transmitted over the air as a vestigial sid= eband AM signal. Three bits are transmitted at a time, meaning that there a= re eight possible instantaneous amplitude levels (the modulation scheme is = called 8-VSB for that reason). So, yes, North American television is still = AM (in a sense). Other commonly used digital modulation schemes use multiple carriers that a= re modulated in amplitude and phase by the data. The name of this technique= is Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplex--the "orthogonal" part means th= at interference between the carriers is canceled out by picking the frequen= cy spacing to match the data rate. OFDM was conceived by mathematicians in = the 1960s, but at that time, it was just a theoretical curiosity because th= e circuitry required to generate and decode such signals was not feasible t= o build using discrete components or the simple ICs of that era. Today, OFD= M is used in IBOC radio, in Qualcomm's Media-FLO system, in WiFi equipment,= in DSL modems, in Eureka DAB, by Digital Radio Mondiale, in the DVB-T and = ISDB-T digital television systems, and a variety of other applications. About a year ago, I attended a presentation by Charlie Rhodes, who was ATSC= 's chief scientist in charge of selecting the digital television standard f= or use in the United States. Rhodes did his work for ATSC in 1996, and at t= hat time, the 8-VSB based system (conceived by Zenith) was the best overall= system, in his engineering judgement. One of the main reasons that he pick= ed 8-VSB was that other competing systems that were presented for evaluatio= n at that time required higher transmitter powers to achieve the same level= s of coverage. His concern was that more transmitter power would mean a gre= ater possibility of interference due to receiver front-end overload. The rub is that single-carrier digital transmission schemes (like 8-VSB) re= quire complex "channel equalization" algorithms to be able to deal with mul= tipath, whereas the multiple carrier systems do not. Even with such filters= , multiple carrier systems are more robust. Rhodes touched on this topic, s= aying that if it hadn't been for a number of people in academia doing resea= rch on these equalization algorithms in the late 1980s-early 1990s, the Zen= ith DTV system would not have worked at all. Having said all that, for the purposes of transmitting audio, the spectral = efficiency of AM--or better yet SSB--seems hard to beat. In the early 1990s= , as the prospect of digital audio in 2-way radios was starting to become r= eality, I recall reading an article that said that "amplitude-compande d si= deband" (SSB with a compander and a pilot tone) might still have a chance o= f becoming the dominant modulation scheme for communications applications. = Unfortunately, things didn't work out that way. There is now an experimenta= l flavor of DRM that is designed to fit in a 2.7kHz bandwidth so that HAMs = can transmit it on the HF bands using conventional SSB transceivers. What o= ne hears on this system is not compressed version of the audio of a person'= s voice but a synthesizer that tries to mimic some of the inflection of the= person's voice. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell wrote= : > > Uh, the L-R in FM Stereo is an AM-suppressed- carrier signal, but it FM's= the main carrier.(Otherwise, it would never make it through the limiting s= tages of the receiver :>() > Right on about the TV, though! =C3=82=C2=A0People who look down on AM use= d to get the same speech from me: "Don't like AM? =C3=82=C2=A0Then get rid = of your TV, because without AM, you would only have the sound!" =C3=82=C2= =A0Unfortunately, ATSC has settled THAT argument for good, I fear.=C3=82=C2= =A0 >=20 > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, AlfredoT wrote: >=20 > From: AlfredoT > Subject: {AMSF} Re: The AM Reliability > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:32 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C3=82=C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > In the 1930s and 1940s, such experimental broadcasts were taking place in= many cities in the United States. The term "APEX" was commonly used to des= cribe such stations. (For more details, see: http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/= Apex_%28radio_ band%29 ) The frequencies used were roughly in the range of= 25 to 42 MHz. >=20 >=20 >=20 > There was also W9XHZ, an experimental AM broadcast station in Bloomington= , Indiana that used 87.750 MHz (the frequency normally used for the TV Chan= nel 6 aural carrier). The operator of W9XHZ called his service "HiFAM" (it = is unclear whether this was supposed to stand for High-Frequency AM or High= -Fidelity AM). HiFAM was received either using a converter and a regular AM= radio or with an AM table radio that had been modified to receive 87.7 MHz= . (Follow this link for more information and photos of the 87.7 MHz AM tabl= e radio -> http://www.somerset .net/arm/ reprints/ sarkes_tarzian. pdf ) >=20 >=20 >=20 > From an engineering standpoint, the main intent of the HiFAM experiment w= as to test whether FM really provided the amount of noise rejection that Ar= mstrong had claimed, or whether the good signal-to-noise ratios associated = with FM broadcasting were more a product of the low levels of electrical no= ise found at VHF frequencies. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --Alfredo >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jotape1960" wr= ote: >=20 > > >=20 > > HI GANG!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > I just wonder if there was/is some proposal to the FCC to use some anot= her band (not MW or SW) to the standard Amplitud Modulation Broadcasting, a= nalog and/or digital, mono and/or stereo. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Why? Well... to me, the best two proofs about the very good reliability= of the AM system are: FM Stereo and TV transmissions! !! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > How? So simple: The audio difference (L-R) channel, absolutely necessar= y to the stereo effect in the analog FM Stereo system, is... AM!!! The vide= o part of any TV system is... AM!!! So... >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > I remember some test we did decades ago (1980s) with devices working at= UHF amateur bands, AM mode and SSB mode, and I remember very good results.= Why not to use this with the "High Weight" class? >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > There was/is some proposal about this? >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Thanks for your time!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. >=20 > > From Curic=C3=83=C2=B3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Sat Jan 23 12:20:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90165 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 20:20:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2010 20:20:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 20:20:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 20:20:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 20:20:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:20:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <485266.11162.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.51.64.138 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: {AMSF} Re: The AM Reliability X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=jACy2t7a5GheUi2WN5Mc8OmuMLNfvh_4DeXOqEJO7jMy-QSpTmcJseB8 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon > I guess we're stuck with it, though...I wonder if someday people=20 > will restore NTSC TVs and analog radios, as we do old cars today?=C2=A0=20 > Maybe I'll be around to help! Well--in England, there are people who collect vintage TVs for the black & = white 405 line system that was broadcast there until about 1985. Some of t= he astute collectors who have been in the hobby since the early 1980s actua= lly made recordings of 405 line broadcasts using PAL VCRs. Apparently, a P= AL VCR could handle 405 line video on its line-level input, since VCRs only= care about the vertical synchronization (which was 50 Hz for both systems)= . NTSC TV collectors will be much more fortunate, in my opinion, in that t= hey have a much wider variety of signal sources to operate their TVs, inclu= ding VCRs, DVD players, video cameras, video game consoles/computers, and (= for the time being) Mexican and Canadian stations. I see this whole "digital revolution" (that's a marketing term that makes m= e cringe) as a way to commoditize the bandwidth capacity of all transmissio= n systems (i.e. over-the-air RF, any type of cable, etc.). The whole catch= , in my opinion, is that since bandwidth (or to use the right technical ter= m, data throughput) equals money, the people who get to make decisions over= how much bandwidth is going to be used for any service will invariably go = for the lowest quality (and consequently the smallest bandwidth) that the v= iewers or listeners will tolerate. What I miss about NTSC is that since th= e bandwidth was fixed, you knew, roughly, what kind of quality to expect. The deal with this (RF) "spectrum crisis" that a lot of people talk about t= oday, is, in my opinion, all about trying to make the most money out of the= right to transmit radio signals. The FCC stands to make good money from a= uctioning off the spectrum usage rights to new users. The cell phone and w= ireless internet companies that are willing to fork over the big bucks in t= hese auctions hope to make big bucks from subscribers who will discover tha= t they can't do without portable Internet access everywhere they go. From = the way that I have seen some people get attached to their iPhones and Blac= kberries, I think those companies are on to something. By the way, on another odd topic related to the original subject of this th= read, has anybody else heard about the "polar modulation" FM Stereo system = that was used (and may still be used) in the Soviet Union and other Eastern= European countries? I still have not seen a detailed description of how i= t worked, but I got a vague idea when I ran across the definition of the te= rm polar modulation. Think of a polar coordinate system in mathematics, wh= ere you have a vector that has a length (amplitude) and points in some dire= ction (phase). By independently modulating the amplitude and phase, two di= fferent things can be transmitted on one carrier. All of the AM Stereo systems are types of polar modulation. Even Kahn AM S= tereo can be generated using polar modulation (in my recollection, real-wor= ld Kahn setups did this to save stations the expense of having to buy a who= le new transmitter with relatively inefficient linear amplifiers). The Rus= sian FM Stereo system would have had to modulate the L+R sum with FM for co= mpatibility with mono receivers. They must have amplitude modulated someth= ing (either L-R or one of the two stereo channels) on the carrier for stere= o. I also don't know what modulating level they used on the AM part of the= ir system. You couldn't go to -100% because there would be no carrier left= for the FM part of the system to work with. --Alfredo From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Sat Jan 23 12:27:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74798 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 20:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2010 20:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 20:27:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 20:26:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 20:26:17 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:26:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3CEFBAFE5D434E7FBAE79C24A120786E@MirelaPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.51.64.138 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: [ABDX] Re: foreign & domestic LW-MW logs w/ the Sony SRF-A1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=YAtcl6H8nGWYeAoXXFdf1NfX0udqg1lXYK14HIn3pqqDySxZWgPkEdPr X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Speaking of unusual DX, a few weeks ago, I was hearing a Russian longwave s= tation on 279 kHz! I live near Portland, OR. A few other DXers I know als= o heard this. There are several Russian stations that use 279 kHz, so we h= aven't been able to figure out which one we were hearing. Sadly, my DXing fun has been curbed somewhat now that one of the neighbors = plugged in some device with a noisy switching power supply that appears to = run at 270 kHz. Very strong interference gets conducted through the power = lines at this frequency, as well as at the 2nd and 3rd harmonics, 540 kHz a= nd 810 kHz. That third harmonic is strong enough to wreak havoc with recep= tion of KGO :-( --Alfredo From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 23 15:12:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89655 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 23:12:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2010 23:12:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 23:12:12 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14888 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2010 23:12:12 -0000 Message-ID: <534026.14397.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: EtJEmBwVM1ktrQ6vX5DjV87thG0Re_5FnZIFP.j9PX1P54tvhYmgFVj5QnJGcq2rIYCX2jGpgFsufqfuQyXV4IAFhzgsZqBj04_fInY_erfJrtRxPkoA1Dsk_LDGZVWTgDQpeRIiCkzuGvzyLovcihOcNbV8qRKn7Xps1KEhB_NvzgD93hr4CW44qBKlfNc_Ci77WMalUhyCXGkyOSEpyuPXS6LaQggoCW09VeC1x94MbIFXDImr9qxpj1XJQjQ5O5nz86Eb3DnbP.NogsWsx8pWoTwYrUDcEbN_aH7KEZ8bWoZmUmaBCQ42V2DMg2vwLPGUZGFXyEABoqP9JH7CwQNleJdxzs4SxkUt3yirrEPyQZZ3GrhoJB.tOrUNhulm.cP_qsFHujnDDzbH_CHWxllqdr0RmhR3eTp1XnQYoWPvQSM.4SqF7HuTDD6Hml2FZ0W4ZAqjdOp_Ze8arAXVVBYC9N5hU52DFQHlsLv8w5MhP.AkvxkZ1nKul1upbM9U6KfmW6j3ReLbRYLER4DvebK1hYb1LS0R08V6nh3E5eB1QISR7GPXTgYKDuTALd1y_DMQgeN93x4si6DbHFvmAK6s8WHibt2MDpF.vMHO6HEnLsODml3X61Qah_Y9LMmp6SGSGBHXyF3xXhWomh08kCi93iDmEiZsCjnnKC18G2kf5DyKxGBNI.v9_4YEPRP1dnOhmfzBmxz3B2iHVBqZSxgyWhvGCQp9aPNFIZAZdrnB1rPSqzootQCp1BYIwTo1a5LgydE7RjkM2l4sZ1rzLYyibExC3ftD07AoTzON8xByPogYSXN.abn_N3gxGZl2ok3C5LUNdkKvyxBYwKW4zIOoOceRwZOtTkWe7vnId4Aqj1ViRldjKKeTLWJAL7leVtV7StjdzaCQEP4t.OW2tezAZgUIdT_4lTuB4ur6QRbO175BXTm8XfZ.GafZfnHKXVDZOcOsMnCA279U32h1Gq0YF6mHKZUtjUDYVjb_SWbFBc9RRG2Tlmh0m01MoYe0ATss6GGmDc9iVVeCcWTv.oYR.SgQOnt0YItIXo5ICX6aU_BM3xKvMX.ZGuBYjqgzJw-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: The AM Reliability X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=wj3hysacCZO_lb0shGlc5l51odBXqI2plhKHqqvkdvxf1g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You hit the nail on the head! =C2=A0Those making bandwidth decisions will a= lways try to sell us the lowest-quality service, and from what I've seen, t= he level people are willing to tolerate has declined over the last few deca= des. =C2=A0Look how many kids are content with the nasty sound of some of t= hese digital music players, mainly because they are led to believe that is = what music is SUPPOSED to sound like. =C2=A0Those of us willing to use the = extra bandwidth, the higher bit rate, the faster tape speed, or the fuss of= vinyl to get good fidelity, are all too often looked upon as "kooks" or "w= eirdos" =C2=A0There are plenty of those in the audio world, I suppose, buyi= ng "custom dampened" volume control knobs for $400 a piece, or $200 "cable = elevators", or "cryogenically treated thermionic valves", but somewhere in = the middle of the two extremes, there should be a sane level of investment = that returns good quality sound bearing a close resemblance to the original source..."hi-fi" as us old fogeys used to call it. As for the 405-line preservationists, I have seen that there are even still= those keeping the 30-line standard alive! =C2=A0Using modern electronics s= ometimes to make up a 30-line signal, or sometimes real mechanical scanning= devices, but in one website I saw, COLOR! Oh my! No, I am far from anti-digital, or even anti-digital radio, but given AM's = limited bandwidth, I truly think that is one place where analog is the best= tool for the job. =C2=A0NONE of the digital schemes can offer the potentia= l fidelity, when so much lossy data compression is required. Polar modulation? =C2=A0Yep, all AM Stereo schemes, and that was why I favo= red the Magnavox PMX system...both the AM and the PM were completely LINEAR= , with the potential for some very high fidelity AND good stereo separation= , if only we still had the luxury of...yup, you said it, BANDWIDTH! Regards,=C2=A0George =C2=A0=C2=A0 --- On Sat, 1/23/10, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} Re: The AM Reliability To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:20 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 > I guess we're stuck with it, though...I wonder if someday people=20 > will restore NTSC TVs and analog radios, as we do old cars today?=C3=82= =C2=A0=20 > Maybe I'll be around to help! Well--in England, there are people who collect vintage TVs for the black & = white 405 line system that was broadcast there until about 1985. Some of t= he astute collectors who have been in the hobby since the early 1980s actua= lly made recordings of 405 line broadcasts using PAL VCRs. Apparently, a P= AL VCR could handle 405 line video on its line-level input, since VCRs only= care about the vertical synchronization (which was 50 Hz for both systems)= . NTSC TV collectors will be much more fortunate, in my opinion, in that t= hey have a much wider variety of signal sources to operate their TVs, inclu= ding VCRs, DVD players, video cameras, video game consoles/computers, and (= for the time being) Mexican and Canadian stations. I see this whole "digital revolution" (that's a marketing term that makes m= e cringe) as a way to commoditize the bandwidth capacity of all transmissio= n systems (i.e. over-the-air RF, any type of cable, etc.). The whole catch= , in my opinion, is that since bandwidth (or to use the right technical ter= m, data throughput) equals money, the people who get to make decisions over= how much bandwidth is going to be used for any service will invariably go = for the lowest quality (and consequently the smallest bandwidth) that the v= iewers or listeners will tolerate. What I miss about NTSC is that since th= e bandwidth was fixed, you knew, roughly, what kind of quality to expect. The deal with this (RF) "spectrum crisis" that a lot of people talk about t= oday, is, in my opinion, all about trying to make the most money out of the= right to transmit radio signals. The FCC stands to make good money from a= uctioning off the spectrum usage rights to new users. The cell phone and w= ireless internet companies that are willing to fork over the big bucks in t= hese auctions hope to make big bucks from subscribers who will discover tha= t they can't do without portable Internet access everywhere they go. From = the way that I have seen some people get attached to their iPhones and Blac= kberries, I think those companies are on to something. By the way, on another odd topic related to the original subject of this th= read, has anybody else heard about the "polar modulation" FM Stereo system = that was used (and may still be used) in the Soviet Union and other Eastern= European countries? I still have not seen a detailed description of how i= t worked, but I got a vague idea when I ran across the definition of the te= rm polar modulation. Think of a polar coordinate system in mathematics, wh= ere you have a vector that has a length (amplitude) and points in some dire= ction (phase). By independently modulating the amplitude and phase, two di= fferent things can be transmitted on one carrier. All of the AM Stereo systems are types of polar modulation. Even Kahn AM S= tereo can be generated using polar modulation (in my recollection, real-wor= ld Kahn setups did this to save stations the expense of having to buy a who= le new transmitter with relatively inefficient linear amplifiers). The Rus= sian FM Stereo system would have had to modulate the L+R sum with FM for co= mpatibility with mono receivers. They must have amplitude modulated someth= ing (either L-R or one of the two stereo channels) on the carrier for stere= o. I also don't know what modulating level they used on the AM part of the= ir system. You couldn't go to -100% because there would be no carrier left= for the FM part of the system to work with. --Alfredo =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Jan 23 15:19:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73655 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 23:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2010 23:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 23:19:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 92296 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2010 23:19:22 -0000 Message-ID: <459588.92279.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UOqrGUoVM1mYK1vEb39GgixxHigtJd8DK2EgLKIKep.8074bYPWOpxILATUICqDyOzXWw6cYfygOx5tcN_f3TFDIjonxXjYpgTcI2DnMrAKR0lTmSt6AvDkw3AiIN_IpVCio9h8lRExzWMQVzYDX3foHz.TdabcdMTAYWBiaBKAkZkyMVx6kIOk_aJaeMVzwl8TZC5lwziDiaQqXLbCtpVAnCIa80r.0m6cTuCeMTlW_7HxNOxIOApC_HaE8wTZbN96lAeIlPdS5AXJfhS8YfCQchu32jKei7yxxYddljPHqECz2FxBHy9jnPLPjGIUTwyd5hS1GVM9YoX9qfsVMVKJ0uE_wEAp6oSfdsSNjx43wdEVC1KRPgreTpybcsIBKTglspWO0CH_aH9O9Ao2jl0fbHIxNu9gJAV2j2unQKmldh6RqYkBn.h7Ntc4IV_Asavtl5prV0XlB3q6MoU9vQwOwiPJkffpqeMZ9eamj5exmTDN889fqE9k0kbQ2bXzX6L2lkH5qfOntXGoLOLkQa.XYpmCcQxEtHzOOf6WqxMTFj7THv24XIlurjIcGr13ALaukZrwDF1r6FcI80s3hfg5FvmbgTy3pY3cp6dEsB4Fzvc0nNsX0_tOLDPBmsUk_uBUGlTvDFJRJjNFTohwLb6mUcDGR6Y_v1H6o62c.EvaUkYD__S8h31yojPKdL1KRWCeg9WUubL09icskrSN5FmDi0bn3nEE8ZA.7Gz_PDmahZg5_DYZot93p3CB_YldSIMv.tTLNelSVWVh7aqJen8SUDy2_8vs7Ny5j67lE8P5chpGrErRd6SwSsbWn0gK9ECnCKD2IRdJ_j4Ri76fvD8tT94B5DUL4v7pq1nyIACHw0RLO5JIchQkxmrraASP57x6XpDoo0.AVNV0WXYEwbKdgwDr8.YuGGcsuX_G7jRlEUELrMxxJaNxN9Jnxaat0tqanjfpEnUgawHpJ26HBooBQhXTqa3Yf0W_0hyPJhlEPpibxQnBhPxA2oWdttEOwJqt105hXZ6pE_7zd.qZSbKLBwK.4sglkdKv.W3yMhSVLDAlCuW7fKh3X93RZMSfyV9BqkKHMlT5P_54zvBa8IMP3CBC7raaMubNqcBaOs3213oW1rLLEt5UxWCGltH1g9Xqmz5JcUjyJdSX5S7iwOu59geeQvK16mbR42IiFAY7LTKXMuVzvKTctdyyF2BW0xKyh8oxy.yb8cBzdz44SshyBr.h0m307.DiZrEAPWBz7NA-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:19:22 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:19:22 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} [ABDX] Re: foreign & domestic LW-MW logs w/ the Sony SRF-A1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Ri-5G-NDQz1yz19ihQ9HB3I_v6IGF9MzY5M2AN7vQUJsvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great catch, I'm envious! =C2=A0As for the noise, we need stricter laws abo= ut how much RF crap can leak out of anything in switch-mode...supplies, dim= mers, computers, even iPods.I would write a letter to my congressman or the= FCC, but enough trees have died in vain already for such hopeless pursuits= , and the letter would likely end up in the same "file" as the UFO reports = and tax reforms...the big ROUND one! =C2=A0G --- On Sat, 1/23/10, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} [ABDX] Re: foreign & domestic LW-MW logs w/ the Sony SRF-A1 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:26 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Speaking of unusual DX, a few weeks ago, I was hearing a Russian long= wave station on 279 kHz! I live near Portland, OR. A few other DXers I kn= ow also heard this. There are several Russian stations that use 279 kHz, s= o we haven't been able to figure out which one we were hearing. Sadly, my DXing fun has been curbed somewhat now that one of the neighbors = plugged in some device with a noisy switching power supply that appears to = run at 270 kHz. Very strong interference gets conducted through the power = lines at this frequency, as well as at the 2nd and 3rd harmonics, 540 kHz a= nd 810 kHz. That third harmonic is strong enough to wreak havoc with recep= tion of KGO :-( --Alfredo =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 24 12:57:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7505 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 20:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2010 20:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 20:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.132] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100124145714002988500011.0) with SMTP id <20100124145714002988500011> for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:57:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00a501ca9d38$59f5f0a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <430599.43341.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <21F812F71C174F1BA987262168A738E0@MirelaPC> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:57:14 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=8yCBB3FD5MtleMhtE4KA-7NVWomzXuK84AfM1GjIBylN9h2M7bLI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See if the interference is in any of the ham bands. If so, see if you could enlist the help of any of them to find the source. Considering it doesn't last all night it may not necessarily be the power lines themselves but some load connected to them. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Mirela Chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 6:34 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New AM Stereo Station We might have semi-auroral condx tonight according to the A and K index, though it`s hard to check the radio dials with the HydroQuebec BUZZ machines ! May the good DX be with you, nevertheless ! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 24 13:40:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48610 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 21:40:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2010 21:40:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 21:40:26 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.132] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100124154003002299900010.0) with SMTP id <20100124154003002299900010> for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:40:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <013601ca9d3e$55f911c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <535107.98669.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:40:03 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=VeNiWGGj90u27ozOPb98ycTUaSAnprfXr28d0u5u6OrUXgS38bjW X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ??? They're all manually switchable. Are you sure it wasn't the SRF-A1? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY Many of the earlier Sony portables, notably the SRF-A100 and the more recent SRF-A42, are permanently locked in stereo mode --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 24 13:49:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 54867 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 21:49:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2010 21:49:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 21:49:16 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.132] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100124154825003268300010.0) with SMTP id <20100124154825003268300010> for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:48:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <014101ca9d3f$80acf700$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <535107.98669.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:48:25 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=JiT-IInmbWtYFSrxOZ2vCrkxhRO0h0B6OYpyvTy9zKVGZsZfmYKb X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That depends upon one or two things- how soon can enough participants in this group get rich enough to buy some stations? The other factor is how easily can the public buy the needed radios? We recently saw some posts about some being made in Indonesia, but no word of if or when they'd be available in the US. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY is cquam going to ever come back? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sun Jan 24 13:52:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41694 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 21:52:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2010 21:52:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 21:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.132] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100124155158000385000010.0) with SMTP id <20100124155158000385000010> for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:51:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <014f01ca9d40$00100c80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1263685142.1083.17880.w9@yahoogroups.com> <0F30BAC6510C4D279DE4497E40334AB3@mygateway> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:51:58 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} softrock sdr radio with cquam and sma antenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=g3XJQhGESMtkqU9RiR2davaaqsMN5RPFdabUmCCgOrpvOK8IlNko X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMA is a very small coax connector. Don't know if your device will receive CQUAM, but if you're so inclined why not email the manufacturer and find out? If it does you're all set. If not, ask if it can be added as the software does exist. The beauty of SDR is that new modulation schemes can be added. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:27 PM Subject: {AMSF} softrock sdr radio with cquam and sma antenna? hello I have a softrock sdr usb radio can I recieve cquam? also where do I get a sma antenna at? can I make a make shift antenna fore now until I get a sma antenna? I have never heard of the sma type antennas Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Jan 24 14:50:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41849 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 22:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2010 22:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f178.google.com) (209.85.210.178) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 22:50:50 -0000 X-Received: by yxe8 with SMTP id 8so2805849yxe.17 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:50:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.1.1 with SMTP id d1mr7421747ybi.130.1264373438674; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:50:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1424503yxg.10.2010.01.24.14.50.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:50:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <98F0BE13E11A427B8ADA3047AF8774B8@mygateway> To: References: <535107.98669.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <014101ca9d3f$80acf700$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:50:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=QtApfABk_ZpI4l3bj_m22x7fmqlsDs1JREWYPf-OU5XZ5jOJhybD X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit an I get the posts ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY That depends upon one or two things- how soon can enough participants in this group get rich enough to buy some stations? The other factor is how easily can the public buy the needed radios? We recently saw some posts about some being made in Indonesia, but no word of if or when they'd be available in the US. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY is cquam going to ever come back? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Jan 24 14:52:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48881 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 22:52:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2010 22:52:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f202.google.com) (209.85.210.202) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 22:52:17 -0000 X-Received: by yxe40 with SMTP id 40so2367174yxe.28 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:52:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.16.12 with SMTP id 12mr4964214agp.46.1264373537125; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:52:17 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1430292yxg.50.2010.01.24.14.52.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:52:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: <1263685142.1083.17880.w9@yahoogroups.com> <0F30BAC6510C4D279DE4497E40334AB3@mygateway> <014f01ca9d40$00100c80$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:52:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} softrock sdr radio with cquam and sma antenna? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Th-sPk_2VJimWWs1Y6XEwVg0Oqd3cAZNsZ4RphdTEhIEekzqX5f7 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this was home brewed buty a person in japan I don't know if this radio is a varient of softrock I have no way to tell also I don't know if this is needed to be modded to recieve 530 khz to 1710 khz it tunes all ready from 2.1 mhz to 30 mhz so am unsure what mod I need to get to get this sdr rig to tune lower no one can tell me what mod I need to get Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 2:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} softrock sdr radio with cquam and sma antenna? SMA is a very small coax connector. Don't know if your device will receive CQUAM, but if you're so inclined why not email the manufacturer and find out? If it does you're all set. If not, ask if it can be added as the software does exist. The beauty of SDR is that new modulation schemes can be added. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:27 PM Subject: {AMSF} softrock sdr radio with cquam and sma antenna? hello I have a softrock sdr usb radio can I recieve cquam? also where do I get a sma antenna at? can I make a make shift antenna fore now until I get a sma antenna? I have never heard of the sma type antennas Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 24 17:25:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84394 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2010 01:25:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2010 01:25:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2010 01:25:38 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 9646 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jan 2010 01:15:13 -0000 Message-ID: <987152.8434.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3WPl0HQVM1lxjEAmThyfbdEHdgU7E1O4Uq70DqOdud3WXAoJinbw4aI6Ny2j17njIMzPhEaKCS0VixsSrgaAfK96BgNAy2Rcv6tpfkPoCG6fSv7t9zoVDrm.QN703N71tgOiV.I1o7YVrTeTUS8QVbCfqvQVGsIFkPijFQ5EW0EkieTgXj.5_sX6i7vbbYGWuVB.GjAZzLZYb2ABgtUir1nBVHL7cLVywxFvthEZz18t7dR__g2Th_Im0b0N2OSdVbSc.5DDI8e.Y8nDj5uWbHe5XNkK0bTl6uXPWskZiwv0csedutBGrJVkIVi5M9HqzK41fVlO X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:15:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:15:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=fQxFoL5lSbmaQYh9R6_JmxhLyLkRph1GKZuMvuipOgGGe4rDuA5BMEE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Okay, let's say we hopped-into Marty McFly's DeLorean time machine and were able to return to 1978-1982 - in the AM stereo evoluation days. Which system would you have pushed for? Which system do you think would have made it so we would have AM stereo on every station and radio yet today? IF they kept the original Magnavox ruling, hopefully Philips/Magnavox would have included AM stereo standard on all their home radios, but maybe not car radios. IF Harris had been able to keep their FCC type acceptance, I believe that they would have had a lot of transmitters made with AM stereo, but not enough receivers. IF Kahn was the choice, he would have had the problem of getting receiver manufacturers, but somebody said Sony's chip was part of his game. Motorola C-Quam was able to make the decoder chips, and encoders, so it seems like it would have been a good choice, but the emergence of cellphones caused Motorola to forget about CQuam, and concentrate on cellphones, digital P25 trunking crap for public safety, and they ended-up selling off their chip manufacturing arm (to ON Semi?). So fellow time travelers, what would you have done to change history in AM Stereo land (besides bead the program directors in the head to play some great music on the AM band??) Think about it. From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Jan 24 18:21:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10081 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2010 02:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2010 02:21:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f200.google.com) (209.85.221.200) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2010 02:21:22 -0000 X-Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38so243512qyk.25 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:20:37 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.18.79 with SMTP id v15mr376869qaa.181.1264386037395; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:20:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.39.175? (dialup-4.154.39.175.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.39.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm10768447qwk.1.2010.01.24.18.20.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:20:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B5CFFED.9070106@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:20:29 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <987152.8434.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <987152.8434.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=zUnDGb8d40PQNiIrSPEeh3NPwo3yxgzQjPHEizJJH4Ko9dU6qZkpmCkJYoWKWA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 John P. wrote: > IF they kept the original Magnavox ruling, hopefully Philips/Magnavox would have included AM stereo standard on all their home radios, but maybe not car radios. > It would have been best of they had kept that standard. > So fellow time travelers, what would you have done to change history in AM Stereo land At the time, I had a Kenwood Car Stereo that would decode all of the systems! I also had a Local Harris station, 660 WESC, a Motorola station, 1330 WFBC. and a couple of Kahn Stations, 1450 WCRS & 1110 WBT. I could get the Magnavox system on 1190 WOWO. Unless you was right under the tower, the Harris system sounded Wonkey and was not worth fooling with. The way Motorola became the Standard was by supplying the Big 3 car makers with FREE decoders to put in their car radios. Otherwise, I don't think it would have had any market share. The two best fidelity systems were Magnavox and Kahn. Magnavox by FAR had the best Stereo separation and sound stage, and the best over-all fidelity. The Kahn system was best in adverse conditions and selective fading as it had NO "Platform Motion" even in the most severe selective fades. Since most Radio listening is in a car under MUCH less than ideal reception, I would have picked the Kahn System. 1190 WOWO kept the Magnavox system on longer then anybody else. They injected a 25 Hz tone in the audio that tricked C-QUAM decoders to open up and decode the Magnavox signal and sounded pretty decent doing it that way. Harris also locked the sliding pilot to 25 Hz to make them Motorola compatible, but by then my local 660 WESC went back to Mono. Their AM Stereo exciters were later converted to Motorola and used on 1490 WPCI until they converted to HD-Radio. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Jan 24 19:40:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68143 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2010 03:40:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2010 03:40:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f218.google.com) (209.85.217.218) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2010 03:40:13 -0000 X-Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so2571893gxk.3 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:39:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.245.1 with SMTP id s1mr401811agh.72.1264390748127; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:39:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm1510917yxe.54.2010.01.24.19.39.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:39:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5AD7646DCB644196B3A4D1A29AA741DD@mygateway> To: References: <987152.8434.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B5CFFED.9070106@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:39:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=P3bgewNb7Z9fGVh3fi1w7Uq4evJchLgGBQD_a2Wqbw-Phht1bLRj X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can cquam decode the other standards? also has any one created any transmitters fore those other standards? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? John P. wrote: > IF they kept the original Magnavox ruling, hopefully Philips/Magnavox would have included AM stereo standard on all their home radios, but maybe not car radios. > It would have been best of they had kept that standard. > So fellow time travelers, what would you have done to change history in AM Stereo land At the time, I had a Kenwood Car Stereo that would decode all of the systems! I also had a Local Harris station, 660 WESC, a Motorola station, 1330 WFBC. and a couple of Kahn Stations, 1450 WCRS & 1110 WBT. I could get the Magnavox system on 1190 WOWO. Unless you was right under the tower, the Harris system sounded Wonkey and was not worth fooling with. The way Motorola became the Standard was by supplying the Big 3 car makers with FREE decoders to put in their car radios. Otherwise, I don't think it would have had any market share. The two best fidelity systems were Magnavox and Kahn. Magnavox by FAR had the best Stereo separation and sound stage, and the best over-all fidelity. The Kahn system was best in adverse conditions and selective fading as it had NO "Platform Motion" even in the most severe selective fades. Since most Radio listening is in a car under MUCH less than ideal reception, I would have picked the Kahn System. 1190 WOWO kept the Magnavox system on longer then anybody else. They injected a 25 Hz tone in the audio that tricked C-QUAM decoders to open up and decode the Magnavox signal and sounded pretty decent doing it that way. Harris also locked the sliding pilot to 25 Hz to make them Motorola compatible, but by then my local 660 WESC went back to Mono. Their AM Stereo exciters were later converted to Motorola and used on 1490 WPCI until they converted to HD-Radio. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Jan 24 20:22:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1872 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2010 04:22:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2010 04:22:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.147) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2010 04:22:13 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so16872qwj.2 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:22:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.54.204 with SMTP id r12mr3123527qag.271.1264393320390; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:22:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?4.154.39.175? (dialup-4.154.39.175.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.39.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm10944615qwi.37.2010.01.24.20.21.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:22:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B5D1C63.4010002@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:21:55 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <987152.8434.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B5CFFED.9070106@gmail.com> <5AD7646DCB644196B3A4D1A29AA741DD@mygateway> In-Reply-To: <5AD7646DCB644196B3A4D1A29AA741DD@mygateway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.147 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=y9DvCG-NkdaRIKZd5SKVFAlSI6yOXgQRBUhuRrl7iyHjo6LzwUvyXl8_5OmePA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 hank smith wrote: > can cquam decode the other standards? > Yes, if it is a "Forced-Mode" such as used in Sony, or tricked into going into Stereo by the station broadcasting a 25 Hz tone, such as 1190 WOWO did, C-QUAM chips will decode C-QUAM, Harris, and Magnavox. > also has any one created any transmitters fore those other standards? > Most ANY transmitter can be converted to use any AM Stereo Exciter, and in fact, modern transmitters have the Input already on them to use a AM-Stereo or HD-Radio Exciter. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Jan 25 04:20:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49250 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2010 12:19:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2010 12:19:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2010 12:19:30 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.247] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100125061904000407100011.0) with SMTP id <20100125061904000407100011> for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:19:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002201ca9db9$232c5920$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <987152.8434.qm@web33507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 06:19:04 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=GjWKH2bf1KNJ8CSgldNaus3u1xXeQwFnDT8WqOJ1iXa8HI6zQT_g X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A friend of mine who had heard most or all of the systems was a Harris fan. I liked the fact it was much more bandwidth efficient. Perhaps the station Kevin referenced didn't have theirs set up right. Kahn was a second choice. But the best system doesn't always win- note the Beta vs. VHS video tape standard. Moto got the rest of the world to adopt theirs so it doesn't surprise me we did too. There has been enough improvement that it's certainly good enough now. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:25 PM Subject: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? Okay, let's say we hopped-into Marty McFly's DeLorean time machine and were able to return to 1978-1982 - in the AM stereo evoluation days. Which system would you have pushed for? Which system do you think would have made it so we would have AM stereo on every station and radio yet today? IF they kept the original Magnavox ruling, hopefully Philips/Magnavox would have included AM stereo standard on all their home radios, but maybe not car radios. IF Harris had been able to keep their FCC type acceptance, I believe that they would have had a lot of transmitters made with AM stereo, but not enough receivers. IF Kahn was the choice, he would have had the problem of getting receiver manufacturers, but somebody said Sony's chip was part of his game. Motorola C-Quam was able to make the decoder chips, and encoders, so it seems like it would have been a good choice, but the emergence of cellphones caused Motorola to forget about CQuam, and concentrate on cellphones, digital P25 trunking crap for public safety, and they ended-up selling off their chip manufacturing arm (to ON Semi?). So fellow time travelers, what would you have done to change history in AM Stereo land (besides bead the program directors in the head to play some great music on the AM band??) Think about it. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jan 25 11:41:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64112 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2010 19:41:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2010 19:41:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2010 19:41:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2010 19:36:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2010 19:36:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:36:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201ca9db9$232c5920$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.90.207.116 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=A98h2PyGKjwv_CLRb4Ewp7VOX-XPztM1lRUMu5PMV60xZ8fbnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I vote for ISB!!! But not the original Kahn system. Unfortunately, we can't dream with any other system but C-QUAM, today. Just a question: The today C-QUAM decoders (if there is someone), Do still = have the "platform motion" problem? Or Is it a full fixed issue? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > A friend of mine who had heard most or all of the systems was a Harris fa= n. I liked the fact it was much more bandwidth efficient. Perhaps the sta= tion Kevin referenced didn't have theirs set up right. Kahn was a second c= hoice.=20=20 >=20 > But the best system doesn't always win- note the Beta vs. VHS video tape = standard. Moto got the rest of the world to adopt theirs so it doesn't sur= prise me we did too. There has been enough improvement that it's certainly= good enough now. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: John P.=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:25 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Okay, let's say we hopped-into Marty McFly's DeLorean time machine and = were able to return to 1978-1982 - in the AM stereo evoluation days. > Which system would you have pushed for? Which system do you think would= have made it so we would have AM stereo on every station and radio yet tod= ay? > IF they kept the original Magnavox ruling, hopefully Philips/Magnavox w= ould have included AM stereo standard on all their home radios, but maybe n= ot car radios. > IF Harris had been able to keep their FCC type acceptance, I believe th= at they would have had a lot of transmitters made with AM stereo, but not e= nough receivers. > IF Kahn was the choice, he would have had the problem of getting receiv= er manufacturers, but somebody said Sony's chip was part of his game. > Motorola C-Quam was able to make the decoder chips, and encoders, so it= seems like it would have been a good choice, but the emergence of cellphon= es caused Motorola to forget about CQuam, and concentrate on cellphones, di= gital P25 trunking crap for public safety, and they ended-up selling off th= eir chip manufacturing arm (to ON Semi?). >=20 > So fellow time travelers, what would you have done to change history in= AM Stereo land (besides bead the program directors in the head to play som= e great music on the AM band??) > Think about it. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Jan 25 11:43:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77593 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2010 19:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2010 19:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2010 19:43:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2010 19:42:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jan 2010 19:42:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:42:33 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201ca9db9$232c5920$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.90.207.116 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=W5TwHifoaszYt93yIXcX7G8caMYuDHkkkoIGgv4KwSIS1xhb4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Just another question: With all the today proliferation of the digital PC world, I wonder if someo= ne has developed a full digital way to produce the carrier, modulate it and= then to translate it to the analog world to amplify it and, finally, put i= t on the air without audio delay (between the studio and the receiver), wit= hout audio phasing problems and without the typical audio digital artifacts= ? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > A friend of mine who had heard most or all of the systems was a Harris fa= n. I liked the fact it was much more bandwidth efficient. Perhaps the sta= tion Kevin referenced didn't have theirs set up right. Kahn was a second c= hoice.=20=20 >=20 > But the best system doesn't always win- note the Beta vs. VHS video tape = standard. Moto got the rest of the world to adopt theirs so it doesn't sur= prise me we did too. There has been enough improvement that it's certainly= good enough now. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: John P.=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:25 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Okay, let's say we hopped-into Marty McFly's DeLorean time machine and = were able to return to 1978-1982 - in the AM stereo evoluation days. > Which system would you have pushed for? Which system do you think would= have made it so we would have AM stereo on every station and radio yet tod= ay? > IF they kept the original Magnavox ruling, hopefully Philips/Magnavox w= ould have included AM stereo standard on all their home radios, but maybe n= ot car radios. > IF Harris had been able to keep their FCC type acceptance, I believe th= at they would have had a lot of transmitters made with AM stereo, but not e= nough receivers. > IF Kahn was the choice, he would have had the problem of getting receiv= er manufacturers, but somebody said Sony's chip was part of his game. > Motorola C-Quam was able to make the decoder chips, and encoders, so it= seems like it would have been a good choice, but the emergence of cellphon= es caused Motorola to forget about CQuam, and concentrate on cellphones, di= gital P25 trunking crap for public safety, and they ended-up selling off th= eir chip manufacturing arm (to ON Semi?). >=20 > So fellow time travelers, what would you have done to change history in= AM Stereo land (besides bead the program directors in the head to play som= e great music on the AM band??) > Think about it. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Jan 25 11:54:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26962 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2010 19:54:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jan 2010 19:54:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f203.google.com) (209.85.210.203) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2010 19:54:20 -0000 X-Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so3260732yxe.30 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:54:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.90.16.33 with SMTP id 33mr546551agp.91.1264449232359; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:53:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.10? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm1837369ywh.31.2010.01.25.11.53.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:53:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B5DF6CE.6070108@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:53:50 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=46U0RMs0fSQFYZwfEGYfFrjkJVwDUXkTRB-4Hdk1OGAV0tfG5xLhnIbI5ClxMA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > The today C-QUAM decoders (if there is someone), Do still have the "platform motion" problem? Or Is it a full fixed issue? ??? Today's chips are MUCH better than the old ones, but due to the nature of the beast, under certain conditions it can be an issue. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Jan 25 16:34:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45573 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2010 00:34:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2010 00:34:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2010 00:34:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77263 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2010 00:34:22 -0000 Message-ID: <931665.77104.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ITkxaPkVM1nnE2kHSr4lqDj_ynn6nUW5KtL5yRh.7juOy.AFIlf0RpYwljqMUI6kwB_QWPbIjZW1jKULE.RdXwq4IB1rf6rr30RYp6rX8hk37jfv8qaLu12jnXkIyPmA72FFwfm169FMa815Ytv6cgINyKR1kuENAtblXsV0NQn7gIOIlZ0gdsg78_Zt039Q5RoAc4CSCZEV7MGUYNFE0Y.LyKmJY8QFr8wulzEZ5J64qKyXS9k48Uauosy6xTS9m42Cq2fSU40j4t2AIrNFtW7oIgBIlDJPxYM068cB_Gn2PY_YtVAdvb4b47NcQ1n1G5.hPVVZFbdKNC5qO5qQoDBmf6aJLMsAgmGAH84DKWf2O.MEGdXKl1WZy8owjKFFPBdKJn06d96S.8eGQnkJytilDSjzY2xKkTKGvSb4bHwW76XYQMBPaUmV8YZYuIT2VTIxTlA4EdVSSgCqlxODOOfhoqimoG3jnWWeSgHQgDRxkew4tEJjnDLm0iHfmN2XGRzsae4eFBGrpn8qbOEz8ldHo7dWOZ9BHvMX0PqYzoXTbiLT9hft7QBN0OHrkUAMplhrryIi3ZpWsaIl8U6Wi7YwCUPy0Uj6ZOC1XTyXBRZ_6C17aJJK6LidRFagR2C3zUwRJmqnLt2g_8G43LJpLpyUe86z0n1nIGG8hSSUTKICanpkxuSss4r2NoHIUaEqsw8jdQhugebJTr11tQYeZfRGfJbYc_NFO4HCaPvhzZeg8y3hsCKagMzqjIf4k41d27WXfbDs8z9fVEoo25m5zA1BIPDFOqIX9zcWWeX_MmColpKqkOjyc9V6aY8HaQYT9_y0DGZld0wa3fVlBkUZb.4Ji69BPp8xVizBnqrEV4686DE1sICnlRi7o_2ajD5YcL6EIQxH4YIqCyHAebXVYWvX.OqdF0XN7YS.LiUxV0r1MoXlP_RXwqeIglQ27gS0F14xGNoHKWAp8nsEwR5VD5n0t6fCUZiRzdzBQJLkHmIwEO56qkE0gHWO8..Mx69eRRSGyDPzphhOizoAAFpKZ4.QsRti_IRKghUBuEsXEAofaUC0iRtZKvBTuqMsky.ed88OwhdSTZvfMm3riId2u2Y4u.sVRLqIhHQfc6CWGqzmjxl3T2bwcWhFW9R9JuKH7mOA_6JHbGIptyuylfoMBzmoT_jPttCVJ5zyNziiPEWG61L5iArxXzxKdLjsQKi7nHScudy8IEH7Xu.lbotLF4EGIqOMjkWmjVVcaaGK_8y99MBtIm6HCCcu2PSfoVERfuWb_ugERqhlEB9uKkp6BtihTCZV3Lp39WhJR2g8_7E- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:34:21 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:34:21 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B5DF6CE.6070108@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=3COgfJeRwS_E_H3Y_OW1o5SvXzasTCj0BitbZeBAgt13aQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also got to hear all of the systems, and would have to vote for Magnavox,= too.It was used at WOWO to the bitter end of their stereo days, and even t= hough my car radio at the time was C-QUAM, it STILL sounded good, and on th= e SRF-A100, it sounded great! ANY decoder can probably be forced to decode ANY system, as all systems res= ult in some form of carrier phase shift, so locking a synchronous detector = to the carrier and using the error signal to derive L-R can un-do any of th= em...BUT with distortion. =C2=A0Magnavox through a C-QUAM decoder had extra= even-harmonic distortion, but not overwhelming, and it added a warm ("tube= -ish"?) sound. =C2=A0C-QUAM through a PMX...same thing. =C2=A0(Kahn decodes= well through PMX, after the phase shifts are cancelled out, that's what th= e "B" setting on the Sony did) Too bad Motorola wasn't too busy building phones and police radios to get i= nvolved as much as they did, and Magnavox decided to dump all the developme= nt money into CDs.FM might have had a bit stiffer competition today...G=C2= =A0--- On Mon, 1/25/10, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 2:53 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 jotape1960 wrote: > The today C-QUAM decoders (if there is someone), Do still have the "platf= orm motion" problem? Or Is it a full fixed issue? ??? Today's chips are MUCH better than the old ones, but due to the nature=20 of the beast, under certain conditions it can be an issue. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From ian.davidson9@bigpond.com Tue Jan 26 01:52:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: ian.davidson9@bigpond.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1332 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2010 09:51:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2010 09:51:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO nskntqsrv03p.mx.bigpond.com) (61.9.168.237) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2010 09:51:22 -0000 X-Received: from nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100126074532.KRDZ1849.nskntmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:45:32 +0000 X-Received: from seagull ([124.190.32.129]) by nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100126074531.OFZK17290.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@seagull> for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:45:31 +0000 To: References: <4B5DF6CE.6070108@gmail.com> <931665.77104.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:45:31 +1100 Message-ID: <164B7DB1F927473E8FE1015A71C0220C@seagull> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <931665.77104.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcqeH1FhOtZaHKfCRUeCGukv8spNyAANwKfA X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150203.4B5E9D9B.0136,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: ohAxE9T3TAD0zmUs0WbmOw5wyAmwqyQr8Z4QX81loBoGT0TduMPXU67mJrM7kND21jhcNh2POmQqYK30X4/QsuM= X-Originating-IP: 61.9.168.237 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Ian Davidson" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=401268730 From: george russell > I also got to hear all of the systems, and would have to vote for > Magnavox, too.It was used at WOWO to the bitter end of their > stereo days, and even though my car radio at the time was C-QUAM, > it STILL sounded good, and on the SRF-A100, it sounded great! I think the C-Quam system was right for the time. Australia evaluated all AM stereo systems and belatedly entered the AM stereo market in 1985 mandating C-Quam. Canada eventually followed Australia's lead, and so eventually did America ... but far too late. It is my view that the biggest reason that AM stereo has never been popularly accepted anywhere in the world (except perhaps Japan) is because of the stupid way the FCC introduced four different systems in America. Even when it was introduced in Oz, radio people said that it was doomed to fail as it had already failed in America. Nevertheless ... I very happily listened to AMS in Oz from 1985 to about 2007. And loved it!!! I never thought I'd be saying this. But I'm very happy with our new DAB+ digital radio. The sound is good. Reception is superb. There's no more interference of either the AM sort or the FM sort. You either get a perfect signal ... or you don't. On trains and trams reception is far superior than either AM or FM. And each AM and FM station has been given enough bandwidth to broadcast a second digital station. This already gives Melbourne listeners access to a dozen more digital stations (not available to analog listeners) with several more on the way. So far prices of DAB+ radios are far too high ... about double what you'd pay for a similar analog radio. But prices are already coming down. And there are about a dozen different manufacturers making all sorts of different types or radios. Sony, stupidly, is not one of them. Oz was the first country to embrace DAB+. It's nice to be at the forefront for a change. I think it's inevitable that other countries will eventually follow our lead. Let's face it. IBOC is a dog. It was only accepted by the stupid FCC because it was "invented" in America and they were too insular to accept better technology from elsewhere around the globe. Plus I expect Ubiquity's lobbying and bribe money of sorts was also involved. It's such a shame that most government decisions in America seem to be made with money as the primary factor ... rather than people. It would seem to me that the people in much less successful financially performing countries (like France) are much happier than the average American because their governments are more inclined to put people ahead of money. Ian Melbourne From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Jan 26 13:14:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48705 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2010 21:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jan 2010 21:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2010 21:13:57 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2010 21:13:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2010 21:13:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2010 21:13:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:13:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=VyGVaJqRPviQHIiCSrTUyOpr8P-sm7NFgFQH94a8tQYXBc9QkCedL8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio The 3rd generation CQuam chips (MC13028P) had virtually no platform motion = as it did a fade to mono, just like FM stereo does as the signal weakens, s= o they were doing a great job with the chips before Motorola focused on non= -broadcast activities. I read on the Internet a few years ago about a college where a prof had a s= tudent build his own CQuam Encoder using the readily available mathematical= formulae and a programmable chip; so if they can do that in college, I'll = bet $100 that the exisisting AM HD radio exciters can be programmed to prov= ide a robust C-Quam signal for long range reception at night! John=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 10:39:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21422 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2010 18:38:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2010 18:38:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2010 18:38:25 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2010 18:37:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2010 18:37:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:37:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.236.25 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=PGbfcxESVuR9Uz9iUMpVUehKSEE5dPPsC2h2FZLse4T4E_SYAg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Can you give me some web address to get more information about that college= experiment, please? About the chip, Is the Motoroloa MC13028 the last available? Is it availabl= e today? I mean: Is Motorola making it today? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > The 3rd generation CQuam chips (MC13028P) had virtually no platform motio= n as it did a fade to mono, just like FM stereo does as the signal weakens,= so they were doing a great job with the chips before Motorola focused on n= on-broadcast activities. >=20 > I read on the Internet a few years ago about a college where a prof had a= student build his own CQuam Encoder using the readily available mathematic= al formulae and a programmable chip; so if they can do that in college, I'l= l bet $100 that the exisisting AM HD radio exciters can be programmed to pr= ovide a robust C-Quam signal for long range reception at night! >=20 > John=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > From acq@videotron.ca Wed Jan 27 12:41:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60415 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2010 20:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2010 20:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2010 20:41:07 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWX007SSASGLAN0@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:41:06 -0500 (EST) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:41:00 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=3ggnLlSafB7Qp2TzTESXYcjHiokL5rc-VPl5KHivyTQb4c8kdSQ08gA X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I vote for Belar, because there was some distortion on monaural receivers ! So it would have forced people to buy Belar AMS instead of trying to enjoy the silly monaural sounds of regular AM ! Has anyone ever heard a Belar broadcaster ? On how many stations was Belar TESTED (I don`t think it was used otherwise, proove me wrong !) ? Was BELAR better than IBOC or is Motorola C-Quam better than both ? Better than all 3 would be Kahn ISB with a few exceptions, it didn`t provide distortion to the monaural receivers to force people buying AM Stereo rigs (though it could be heard on two monaural radios by detuning them to each side at once), but MOST IMPORTANT and this you can`t overcome with monaural radios, it didn`t provide stereo separation on frequencies like 10 kHz et al... For local reception Motorola C-Quam is better than Belar and ISB... Belar is just a compromise, if AND ONLY IF separation is slightly better at 5 or 10 kHz ! Just some feed for thoughts ! Aside from Motorola C-Quam, what was the LAST KAHN-HAZELTINE broadcaster on mediumwave in North America ? Sorry for so many questions, but I`m a huge AMS fan ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Wed Jan 27 13:27:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22255 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2010 21:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2010 21:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2010 21:27:19 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWX00FIL9XG6I50@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca>; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:22:30 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <534283122C104B7E992861F713D3EB71@MirelaPC> To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com, Oana Popa-Nimigean Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:22:24 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Latest graveyard logs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=K4Nh2oO6xJB6lvqt6cJAz6jCvhGw3wgGKAoCUwiddhLJsNx1sCkhEUY X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warm greetings to all of you ! Report from Bogdan Alexandru Chiochiu DXing from Pierrefonds (Montreal`s We= st Island), QC 1230 WSSL 27/01 1436 - ESPN sports report and WSSL ID... Haven`t tried to f= ind out from where it came, but it must be a good catche, like any GY DX. (= BC-QC) 1240 WH?C 27/01 1445 - Your best memories, WH?C and 40s Frank Sinatra-style= music. Fair over jumble ! What is the third letter ? (BC-QC) An unexpected daytime opening brought two new regular GY loggings while try= ing almost unsuccesfully to log the new C-Quam broadcaster on 1230 in Rhode= Island ! However, here are some REAL C-Quam logs: 630 CFCO Chattam, ON 27/01 0245 - for a few seconds excellent with an elect= ric guitar on the left and a funky guitar on the right while playing a coun= try tune... Couldn`t get clear stereo for more than a few seconds, but the = Sony CFS-6000 is definitively a good C-Quam tuner ! (BC-QC) 1350 WINY Putnam, CT 27/01 1358 - local ads, ID into Bonnie Taylor - Total = Eclipse Of My Heart. Excellent for a minute or so, then buried by QRM. NEW = ! During the liner I had clear separation with the doppler stereo walking o= nly twice from left ro right and too sharp to be stereo-like faking. NEW ! = I`m very happy with this one... Caught it on tape for sharing with us, I ju= st have to put it into MP3. (BC-QC) 1630 KCJJ Iowa City, IA 26/01 0230 - ID with clear audio but no real stereo= separation. Is it still C-Quam and is it still playing music ? They sounde= d more like a talker ! I`m afraid, I couldn`t test my Sony CFS-6000 on thos= e guys ! At least, they are still getting out ! Usually where there is even= some slight co-channel QRM, the stereo is faking or moving sidewards, even= if the audio is overal clear, so I need an insight if KCJJ-1630 is still C= -Quam into 2010. (BC-QC) Some Pan-American logs (heard on either the Sanyo MCD-S830, the Sony CFS-60= 00 and the Sony SRF-A1) 640 CUBA CMBC, Radio Progreso, Guanabacoa JAN 27 0638 - Man in Spanish he= avily QRMing the Toronto station, heard some African music, not sure if Rad= io Progreso or Radio Guadeloupe. (Chiochiu-QC)=20 710 CUBA Radio Rebelde, synchros JAN 27 0628 - noted in passing very brie= fly. Holding it`s own against WOR. (Chiochiu-QC) 750 VENEZUELA YVKS RCR Caracas, DF JAN 21 2320 - talking about the victor= y of a baseball team. Good mixing with WSB while walking the dog with the w= alkman ! This one seems to be having a comeback at their mighty 100kW power= level. 2320 UTC means 1920 EST ! (Chiochiu-QC) 760 COLOMBIA HJAJ RCN Cadena Bas=EDca, Barranquilla JAN 27 0630 - Colombi= an nx items, followed by political gouv-related nx with time pips and RCN j= ingle in a tight WJR null ! (Chiochiu-QC) 780 VENEZUELA YVNM Radio Coro, Coro, Falc=F3n JAN 23 0932 - end of R=FAta= M=FAsical 7-80, followed by a program of m=FAsica llanera. Fair w/ deep fa= dings and adjacent channel splatter with WBBM nulled as much as possible, t= hough, not completly. SIO 321. Also heard on the Sony CFS-6000 portable wit= h slightly less splatter in AM normal mode, instead of AM wide, a few days = later ! Seems like I found a replacement for my Sanyo MCD-S830... (Chiochiu= -QC) Additionnal comments: The arrival of the Sony CFS-6000 package from EBay brought new interest in = domestic DX, as it sounds reasonably better than my Sanyo MCD-S830 and, whi= le the PK AM loop is in the vecinity of the radio, it is a prodigious DX ma= chine on AM. FM, that`s another story... In spite of annoying daytime skywave, I had the opportunity to test its CQu= am capacities and the recording of WINY-1350 I made, even WIRY-1340, are so= unding BETTER with a more crispy sound and a LESS compact one than any Mont= real local FMer, believe it or not ! I think I`m proud to be a Motorola C-Q= uam fan ! I had the choice of pruchassing an used communication receiver or an AM Ste= reo radio and I couldn`t resist with this Sony CFS-6000 on EBay... As you c= an see, I begun more involved in domestic DX - my goal is to log at least 1= 0 C-Quam broadcasters over the next few months ! Dream or reality ? One last question: for how many years will the few US C-Quam broadcasters b= e following up their AM Stereo broadcasts ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Jan 27 14:07:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75660 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2010 22:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2010 22:07:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2010 22:07:40 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 49320 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2010 22:07:40 -0000 Message-ID: <535300.49127.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: thlmGNwVM1ly4DYmQEw5B0E7Fb.4Ye9z9N8VitrRuOG7QH5zYFF7P0muI21evRI4PL3WdpSfxT5CzVaaveIgm_ekCA0jYX6v4me4WL76M_T3kVaHkWohGWSaWT8j60HjrNhDUcZsQQL9o4ttuZUwC9ojEzcq8qKdKVJpnZqoL485xX2uFUxlvHaAysv6i5plsvlRBjl27L1Km2FQDQMZgRp6QZc.QtZueFhPj8_Vt50VxkAGAS5Dwi_g8V2l.BjqQ.CUKALu0p_e8yEMrn0NOS9DlsbmmeLSPVH4bQEntXXVZJVjfThWBplTJNOfqJAPjQMguSWigOpKMH6omhF_BE6513Aad0IRNMGyLLEk8h_vRHYZglPnHdtTX7PuGwFl5peUJetKY4bh4O6rdZR2UQs0FPo.o_nhMoaYIkjmaSVtrNa1MHWE9ZrL230o_nm4XUjVc1nOWCIs.TuHK1e21hqxLNlIGMW3Om0eh2n5p2Z0bzKCXyG_FsEIwDM6iW83JVaPEKWUUuleoABUUQmOkQop9kogmEXK_nQ5ybw1vLmqTfrf3Mi5.yI22D5gw4F2rZ3Flwm5qNmqbWc0veETfp1hNd0IQWXrYjw7llsYvN7BiadzWg3eZxrgFoohUGwGoHxoNRgLF0X0Ad_6YkKpfMmg6OTG.mDwxkcPvp7iRgAc.djCp1z3L9RUzk4f9pdP07YnCoqS7kRsR6vGTTd2OFoZUQkVbGX_7PsujmRyjjs9Gxu_XIco_yFw2n9HZHpt8XGPaLVC.KggSFyCQb5S.92RpoyNAby88nDpvwEWstQ0uD9uXcNHfW32KYviHdtGkTMahbOspKzUV2UZoQ6RN5WduB.NBwfYexo4DByLM77fOgK7aTFbGK4eHKJqW6w87DFHltGy.ro4PovBN2tnmPMGB6ud_Nuu1qySvqDL_52okGUR6kneWzpqZTYVUAmtGHFYNKp3qHiwAMx.lmqpAI3xjQmK697Y2olVmL5PjUatUswQD4VcDtTp7Mpfii0s0Fy_J7Y5yHqrLTSEO5yPptSVuV.MsTGIFKyrP4E.1eMW6JwLK.RhTp97aJNPOGP0_6PrMi6iuQKJQ6Kzpzf.X_sVlf9_gZovw4eollobwvntWlLwb40vySm58Qr92JP8ggreZo2.fk6Fb78tqw_TOcMkOBTwF6372ANkm1RwsoPMGzBkwirYouw1DQnoQ5h0ruD3e_AQdYCUAydmaaVNijtf2jwsY5lgXRKFj_VNou3mzhnGjPXsXgfsxbjyptZWsPbbSWcez73cAmeYn9dpfHXZ8Z0Bu023AXvxqzWRoK0XZ1pPXMtUXUNiWxnKRCaLXVnCHtArbXEA_nK..CWOkB5adN7kpBlhoX4WmwiFaWpUfeArPqaGHHUnj0Qx9Zb8lXV_hqcLsleBdiDCv73U78wbXe7Cm5m1YA-- X-Received: from [99.130.68.68] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:07:40 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:07:40 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=ItvmUrlbpdbo-BLrSlF4zu-B29rkRlVAiQBgk-exsO7IeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Belar was tested briefly on WJR (760 kHz.)=C2=A0in Detroit...they=C2=A0late= r opted for C-QUAM, after Belar withdrew from the competition.=C2=A0 WOWO h= ad a Belar Modulation Monitor, adapted for=20 Magnavox/PMX, I understand it is still at the station! (probably a small mo= d to go from FM to PM, related as they are?) G --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular= ? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:41 PM =C2=A0=20 I vote for Belar, because there was some distortion on monaural receivers != So it would have forced people to buy Belar AMS instead of trying to enjoy= the silly monaural sounds of regular AM ! Has anyone ever heard a Belar broadcaster ? On how many stations was Belar = TESTED (I don`t think it was used otherwise, proove me wrong !) ? Was BELAR= better than IBOC or is Motorola C-Quam better than both ? Better than all = 3 would be Kahn ISB with a few exceptions, it didn`t provide distortion to = the monaural receivers to force people buying AM Stereo rigs (though it cou= ld be heard on two monaural radios by detuning them to each side at once), = but MOST IMPORTANT and this you can`t overcome with monaural radios, it did= n`t provide stereo separation on frequencies like 10 kHz et al... For local= reception Motorola C-Quam is better than Belar and ISB... Belar is just a = compromise, if AND ONLY IF separation is slightly better at 5 or 10 kHz ! J= ust some feed for thoughts ! Aside from Motorola C-Quam, what was the LAST KAHN-HAZELTINE broadcaster on= mediumwave in North America ? Sorry for so many questions, but I`m a huge AMS fan ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Jan 27 16:01:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97314 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 00:01:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 00:01:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 00:01:06 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail20.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.160]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFYBW7MA4JPT2A for (sender ); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:00:43 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDyAgKOY2BPyDd/9TKl6lGaE= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail20.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P5BSQRDA; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:00:33 PST X-Received: from [76.194.240.40] by webmail20.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:59:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:59:55 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100127.155955.9531.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 833 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:610330670 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.160|webmail20.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Carmel, California “Jazz and Blues Radio” KRML (1410) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=AfEcAZzn9J2QA_SRO-_c8XTZfCTw0nu4OFDO_JyQSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Want to own a station in world-famous Carmel, California? =93Jazz and Blues= Radio=94 KRML (1410), the one featured in Clint Eastwood=92s 1971 =93Play = Misty for Me=94 flick, is available.=20 Wisdom Broadcasting, the previous owner, defaulted last year after trying t= o sell it and the related club and retail operations, and the Monterey Coun= ty Bank took it over.=20 Broker Ray Rosenblum is now the exclusive agent for the sale of KRML, which= has 500 watts daytime, 16 watts at night. It also streams its signal.=20 Not included in the deal is an FM Translator (K234AW Monterey) that=92s own= ed by One Ministries but is currently simulcasting KRML.=20 Separately, Rosenblum=92s selling the inventory of a =93music store and jaz= z radio collection=94 of both vinyl and CDs, plus jazz artwork and autograp= hed items. From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Jan 27 16:39:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89634 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 00:39:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 00:39:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f214.google.com) (209.85.217.214) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 00:39:55 -0000 X-Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so149790gxk.5 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:39:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.131.11 with SMTP id i11mr13080374ann.210.1264639193986; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:39:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from workstation (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm146347ywc.23.2010.01.27.16.39.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:39:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3F7727F3F643439DA5DA1459CFBDB581@workstation> To: References: <4B5DF6CE.6070108@gmail.com> <931665.77104.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <164B7DB1F927473E8FE1015A71C0220C@seagull> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:39:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.214 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=OWBsO5ZXo6Ko2wIPaLCw7pWCBbt0ifhkmXOgm8C3isoQkuLwopg7 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello well said is england going to move to dabplus? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Davidson To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 12:45 AM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? From: george russell > I also got to hear all of the systems, and would have to vote for > Magnavox, too.It was used at WOWO to the bitter end of their > stereo days, and even though my car radio at the time was C-QUAM, > it STILL sounded good, and on the SRF-A100, it sounded great! I think the C-Quam system was right for the time. Australia evaluated all AM stereo systems and belatedly entered the AM stereo market in 1985 mandating C-Quam. Canada eventually followed Australia's lead, and so eventually did America ... but far too late. It is my view that the biggest reason that AM stereo has never been popularly accepted anywhere in the world (except perhaps Japan) is because of the stupid way the FCC introduced four different systems in America. Even when it was introduced in Oz, radio people said that it was doomed to fail as it had already failed in America. Nevertheless ... I very happily listened to AMS in Oz from 1985 to about 2007. And loved it!!! I never thought I'd be saying this. But I'm very happy with our new DAB+ digital radio. The sound is good. Reception is superb. There's no more interference of either the AM sort or the FM sort. You either get a perfect signal ... or you don't. On trains and trams reception is far superior than either AM or FM. And each AM and FM station has been given enough bandwidth to broadcast a second digital station. This already gives Melbourne listeners access to a dozen more digital stations (not available to analog listeners) with several more on the way. So far prices of DAB+ radios are far too high ... about double what you'd pay for a similar analog radio. But prices are already coming down. And there are about a dozen different manufacturers making all sorts of different types or radios. Sony, stupidly, is not one of them. Oz was the first country to embrace DAB+. It's nice to be at the forefront for a change. I think it's inevitable that other countries will eventually follow our lead. Let's face it. IBOC is a dog. It was only accepted by the stupid FCC because it was "invented" in America and they were too insular to accept better technology from elsewhere around the globe. Plus I expect Ubiquity's lobbying and bribe money of sorts was also involved. It's such a shame that most government decisions in America seem to be made with money as the primary factor ... rather than people. It would seem to me that the people in much less successful financially performing countries (like France) are much happier than the average American because their governments are more inclined to put people ahead of money. Ian Melbourne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Jan 27 18:14:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70282 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 02:13:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 02:13:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 02:13:59 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o0S2Dtpt022897 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:13:55 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id r.bc4.60aa2ff2 (37564) for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:13:50 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.155]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB041-d41e4b60f2d5b0; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:13:50 -0500 X-Received: from magic-d04.mail.aol.com (magic-d04.mail.aol.com [172.19.161.132]) by smtprly-md02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD024-d41e4b60f2d5b0; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:13:41 -0500 Message-ID: <4567f.65067a58.38924cd5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:13:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.161.132 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20{AMSF}=20Carmel,=20California=20=E2=80=9CJazz=20and=20?= =?UTF-8?Q?Blues=20Radio=E2=80=9D=20KRML=20(1410)?= X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=wXFB6RJCA-vXe01rDePR5gucoUfSK_fSZpuAeAat_g6-0C55RP7w5r9bP9VK_YsP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/27/2010 6:01:10 PM Central Standard Time, w6yn@juno.com writes: > Want to own a station in world-famous Carmel, California? Only if they throw in someone who looks like Donna Mills did back then and the Jag XK-150. They can keep the scissor lady. You should know that station is one of lowest power AM stations in the world could could blow your investment clean away. Was that 16 watts or 15? Tell you the truth, I don't remember. So what what you gotta ask yourself is do you feel lucky? Well do ya, punk? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Wed Jan 27 19:29:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51195 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 03:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 03:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 03:29:38 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail20.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.160]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFYCBEEARGVKJA for (sender ); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:29:08 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDwo3PxU0CzTThYAXCzQmeC0= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail20.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P5B6MRV6; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:28:39 PST X-Received: from [76.194.240.40] by webmail20.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:28:20 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:28:20 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100127.192820.5176.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 815 X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3299264952 X-MAIL-INFO:0e4155c00c2d694d7140205569a930d42535ed91e560b11189b57035708d098991a1ddb0d9d0c191dda51dd5d16dd06d60f9f4948595ed50652dc9cda9b9c9fd652d8419e4 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.160|webmail20.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Carmel, California “Jazz and Blues Radio†KRML (1410) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=YACbew9Vv10cfUhO2BPM92iqQwpFGTBWFNGPUvG18w X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Great comment! Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Carmel, California =E2=80=9CJazz and Blues Radio=E2=80= =9D KRML (1410) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:13:41 EST In a message dated 1/27/2010 6:01:10 PM Central Standard Time,=20 w6yn@juno.com writes: > Want to own a station in world-famous Carmel, California?=20 Only if they throw in someone who looks like Donna Mills did back then and= =20 the Jag XK-150. They can keep the scissor lady. You should know that station is one of lowest power AM stations in the=20 world could could blow your investment clean away. Was that 16 watts or 15= ?=20=20 Tell you the truth, I don't remember. So what what you gotta ask yourself = is=20 do you feel lucky? Well do ya, punk? Mike From acq@videotron.ca Thu Jan 28 08:43:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7431 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 16:43:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 16:43:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 16:43:28 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWY00E5DUGDSRA0@VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca>; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:43:27 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <002201caa039$0298aa60$6800a8c0@B> To: hard-core-dx@hard-core-dx.com, BACONTI@aol.com, nrcidxd@aol.com, mwdx@yahoogroups.com, condiglist@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amstereo@yahoogroups.com, ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: pkloops@bigpond.net.au, "Tudor M. Vedeanu" , alaingutton@yahoo.fr, jrtrevilly@free.fr, stephanecounot@yahoo.fr, fkp36@yahoo.fr, da_18gurlz@hotmail.com, "olivier.tequi" , Pierre CHABOT , Jorge Medina , venezuelanqslhelp@yahoo.com, Jorge Garcia , texas4421@core.com, lpa754@hotmail.com, bourdeau_annemarie22@hotmail.com, ve2shw@yahoo.com, pepe8877@hotmail.com, Kyru Rex , "Philippe ..." , MarkWA1ION@aol.com, mtardif17@hotmail.com, flying_dead_corpses_in_the_sky@hotmail.com, Juan Carlos Lemieux , o_p_nimigean@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:43:24 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: three mediumwave logs - am stereo + Cuba X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=Vsz6y_N_22lPR4CL3GG8lSX7oe5jV9rRX8MFKRsp4FAhWJrvnRh3kgo X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warm greetings to all of you ! While the Radio Coro 780 peaked up nicely for a few minutes, I put the tape= to delet the low-signal parts and now, I'm glad to admit, I have a full C9= 0 tape with 780 oddities: Radio Coro on one side and WTEM in Maine, a dayti= mer with Post Sunset Authority staying on late with it's full power on the = other one ! But the best is yet to come: armchair copy of KCJJ-1630 with over and under= the co-channel QRM and CJRS Radio Shalom splatter ! Unbelievable, but true= ...do not really sounds like they switched to their 1 kW night rig, though = it may seem stronger because they are omnidirectionnal ! Into the logs: 1630 KCJJ Iowa City, IA 01/28 0154 EST - End of ad bloc, "Hot Talk, Hot Hit= s" jingle with very clean stereo separation during a very good signal peak,= followed by an Alicia Keys number. Also heard a couple of dozens of minute= s earlier with a man host talking about the best way to take care of a gold= en retriever (like the very sensitive one I already breed and cheers). SINP= O 43523 and I more reliable than WIRY-1340 as far as its signal strength go= es, at least that's the way it was the past night. I'm very happy with this= one ! Heard with a fair level of QRM from WDAG (also new !) and a Spanish = Mexican playing ranchera that was probably the one in Wyoming. Also some IB= OC hash, unsure from who... Is there something IBOC on 1620-1640 in the nor= theast or even further into the midwest that could potentially harm KCJJ in= the Montreal area ? Still, not too bad overall, as far as the reception go= es ! How many IBOC "badcasters" are slicing the X-band ? (BC-QC) 1680 WTTM Princettown, NJ 01/28 0235 EST - in order to get it in CQuam, I a= lmost had to break the dial which stopss right at 1678 or 1679 kHz, sounded= like some stereo separation on WTTM, maybe just a fake ? Always hard to te= ll with those forced stereo sets like my trusty Sony CFS-6000 (which works = very well between 515 and 1670 kHz) and the poor stereo separation on ranch= era music, though I thought I had one instrument one side and the other on = the left side with the voice in both channels, though it was hard to tell. = Fadings on the X-band are choppy and my inability to tune right to 1680 mad= e the fadings sound even more unbearable than on KCJJ ! (BC-QC) 600 CUBA CMKV, Radio Rebelde, Urbano Norr=EDs JAN 28 0422 UTC - woman doi= ng a speech against racism and taking phone calls from her listeners. Atop = CKAT ! Heard on the Sony SRF-A1 barefoot while walking the dog near the C= =E9res park in Pierrefonds. Briefly good, then overtaked by QRM. Condx towa= rd Latin America generally very poor. (Chiochiu-QC) Additionnal comments: While I've only slept 4 hours the past night, I've dreamed a lot... Time to= get ready for walking the dog and starting to do that Spanish homework wit= h the Radio Coro tape in mind ! This report is brougt to you by Bogdan Alexandru Chiochiu DXing using his S= ony CFS-6000 with the passive tunable PK AM loop or the Sony SRF-A1 barefoo= t while walking the dog - both excellent for mediumwave and DXing and Motor= ola C-Quam listening ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Jan 28 09:05:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16280 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 17:05:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 17:05:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 17:05:11 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2010 17:04:56 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2010 17:04:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:04:55 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3F7727F3F643439DA5DA1459CFBDB581@workstation> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.181 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=0YfxB8ZREkfHl15PhU4dW32hQbox_hW4UNNgWX4vAxuCnO3BEw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 HI GANG!!! Excuse my ignorance, but I need to know: IS DABPLUS INTENDED TO AM-MW? Or I= t is only to new bands and FM mode? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > Hello > well said > is england going to move to dabplus? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Ian Davidson=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 12:45 AM > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular= ? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > From: george russell >=20 > > I also got to hear all of the systems, and would have to vote for=20 > > Magnavox, too.It was used at WOWO to the bitter end of their=20 > > stereo days, and even though my car radio at the time was C-QUAM,=20 > > it STILL sounded good, and on the SRF-A100, it sounded great!=20 >=20 > I think the C-Quam system was right for the time. Australia evaluated a= ll > AM stereo systems and belatedly entered the AM stereo market in 1985 > mandating C-Quam. Canada eventually followed Australia's lead, and so > eventually did America ... but far too late. >=20 > It is my view that the biggest reason that AM stereo has never been > popularly accepted anywhere in the world (except perhaps Japan) is beca= use > of the stupid way the FCC introduced four different systems in America. > Even when it was introduced in Oz, radio people said that it was doomed= to > fail as it had already failed in America. >=20 > Nevertheless ... I very happily listened to AMS in Oz from 1985 to abou= t > 2007. And loved it!!! >=20 > I never thought I'd be saying this. But I'm very happy with our new DAB= + > digital radio. The sound is good. Reception is superb. There's no more > interference of either the AM sort or the FM sort. You either get a per= fect > signal ... or you don't. On trains and trams reception is far superior = than > either AM or FM. And each AM and FM station has been given enough bandw= idth > to broadcast a second digital station. This already gives Melbourne > listeners access to a dozen more digital stations (not available to ana= log > listeners) with several more on the way. >=20 > So far prices of DAB+ radios are far too high ... about double what you= 'd > pay for a similar analog radio. But prices are already coming down. And > there are about a dozen different manufacturers making all sorts of > different types or radios. Sony, stupidly, is not one of them. >=20 > Oz was the first country to embrace DAB+. It's nice to be at the forefr= ont > for a change. I think it's inevitable that other countries will eventua= lly > follow our lead. >=20 > Let's face it. IBOC is a dog. It was only accepted by the stupid FCC > because it was "invented" in America and they were too insular to accep= t > better technology from elsewhere around the globe. Plus I expect Ubiqui= ty's > lobbying and bribe money of sorts was also involved. >=20 > It's such a shame that most government decisions in America seem to be = made > with money as the primary factor ... rather than people. It would seem = to > me that the people in much less successful financially performing count= ries > (like France) are much happier than the average American because their > governments are more inclined to put people ahead of money.=20 >=20 > Ian > Melbourne >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jan 28 13:12:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16530 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 21:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 21:12:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 21:12:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.39] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100128151248002456800011.0) with SMTP id <20100128151248002456800011> for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:12:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004801caa05f$360dece0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:12:48 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=8rnGDsIyy3Q8N7AJkBt5Wp4wt2mtB_iVWE6oXOdMSD2RWpc0vTd7 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, it hasn't been made for a number of years. I think ON Semiconductor now has the manufacturing rights, but likely anyone wanting that chip would need to order a minimum of a million of them to get them at any decent price. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:40 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? About the chip, Is the Motoroloa MC13028 the last available? Is it available today? I mean: Is Motorola making it today? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jan 28 13:15:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96983 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 21:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 21:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 21:15:36 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.39] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100128151514002834700011.0) with SMTP id <20100128151514002834700011> for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:15:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005001caa05f$8d33cd00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <534283122C104B7E992861F713D3EB71@MirelaPC> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:15:14 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Latest graveyard logs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=7IqwIAD8BakSbor4hVawEY9jWEwSl7cLeJTCErhlJP9Dmv7kLYlh X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They do carry a number of talk shows, but they do still play music at nights when I last tuned them in early this month. They were still stereo last I bothered to tune them in on a stereo receiver- a bit before Thanksgiving. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Mirela Chiochiu To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com ; Oana Popa-Nimigean Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:27 PM Subject: {AMSF} Latest graveyard logs 1630 KCJJ Iowa City, IA 26/01 0230 - ID with clear audio but no real stereo separation. Is it still C-Quam and is it still playing music ? They sounded more like a talker ! I`m afraid, I couldn`t test my Sony CFS-6000 on those guys ! At least, they are still getting out ! Usually where there is even some slight co-channel QRM, the stereo is faking or moving sidewards, even if the audio is overal clear, so I need an insight if KCJJ-1630 is still C-Quam into 2010. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jan 28 13:55:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76171 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 21:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 21:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 21:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.39] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100128155544001379100011.0) with SMTP id <20100128155544001379100011> for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:55:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00b601caa065$35817ca0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <002201caa039$0298aa60$6800a8c0@B> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:55:44 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} three mediumwave logs - am stereo + Cuba X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=T8kieAv83DAAr_20lrYioW8APnfIgP3ZMeVnsp0NwbLeLG_OaUxn X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WKSH- Sussex-Milwaukee, owned by Radio Disney. I'm assuming this is an analog tuner? Why not pop it open and adjust the oscillator trimmer so it will tune to 1700 or just a tad past? Then tune to a station on or near 1400 and readjust the antenna trimmer for best signal. You'll sacrifice a bit of upper end dial calibration but you'll be able to tune the whole band. Done it a few times myself. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: hard-core-dx@hard-core-dx.com ; BACONTI@aol.com ; nrcidxd@aol.com ; mwdx@yahoogroups.com ; condiglist@yahoogroups.com ; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com ; amstereo@yahoogroups.com ; ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: pkloops@bigpond.net.au ; Tudor M. Vedeanu ; alaingutton@yahoo.fr ; jrtrevilly@free.fr ; stephanecounot@yahoo.fr ; fkp36@yahoo.fr ; da_18gurlz@hotmail.com ; olivier.tequi ; Pierre CHABOT ; Jorge Medina ; venezuelanqslhelp@yahoo.com ; Jorge Garcia ; texas4421@core.com ; lpa754@hotmail.com ; bourdeau_annemarie22@hotmail.com ; ve2shw@yahoo.com ; pepe8877@hotmail.com ; Kyru Rex ; Philippe ... ; MarkWA1ION@aol.com ; mtardif17@hotmail.com ; flying_dead_corpses_in_the_sky@hotmail.com ; Juan Carlos Lemieux ; o_p_nimigean@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: {AMSF} three mediumwave logs - am stereo + Cuba Is there something IBOC on 1620-1640 in the northeast or even further into the midwest that could potentially harm KCJJ in the Montreal area ? 1680 WTTM Princettown, NJ 01/28 0235 EST - in order to get it in CQuam, I almost had to break the dial which stopss right at 1678 or 1679 kHz, --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Thu Jan 28 14:05:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19764 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 22:05:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 22:05:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 22:05:21 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWZ004BF9CV0H60@VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca>; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:05:20 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <00d801caa065$fa11c4d0$6800a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Kyru Rex , amstereo@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:05:17 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: WTTM-NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=Boshu1smlXXTiUAoqHpal8UhffvTI7uCzIYBDUbVjyuAlpEVJEGbUxU X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello again ! It's me, the most passionated AM Stereo fan in the Montreal area... The Sony CFS-6000, the higher it CAN tune is up to around 1678 or 1679 kHz, so by pushing the tuning knob to almost breaking it (I have to be careful, since it's the BEST RADIO I'VE EVER USED IF - AND ONLY IF - USED ALONG THE TUNABLE PK AM LOOP - OTHERWISE IN THE X-BAND AND ON THE BOTTON END, THE SENSITIVITY SUCKS, WHILE THE SELECTIVITY IS VERY GOOD IN AM NORMAL MODE AND DECENT FOR SEMI-LOCAL LISTENING IN AM WIDE MODE) I hear some stereo separation on the ranchera music played by WTTM in Princettown, NJ. It is like hearing a voice in both channels, one trumpet on the right and a higher frequency trompet on the left, but I'm used with false stereo effect on forced stereo receivers, so are they really in stereo or just a plain echo ? You know that echo caused by platform motion...I even get it in WBBM null while haunting for Radio Coro Siete Ochenta... I'm ashamed to ask this question, but what receivers will tune the whole X-band up to 1710 kHz, not just 1679 kHz ? Is CJLO-1690 in stereo ? Is it still at least ONE SINGLE AM broadcaster LEFT in the Montreal area other than the fringy WIRY-1340 ? I can get it distorted instead of WTTM on the top of the dial when in AM WIDE MODE, but it is so much detuned that I can't decode C-Quam, if it is indeed a stereo signal. There is an AMS decoder available for sale on EBay, but I'm afraid it won't tune the X-Band. I'm still very excited overal with this radio and my ability to tune up to KCJJ was like a miracle... I couldn't belive it will get past the 1650 CJRS splatter which is my strongest X-band pest, way stronger than CJWI-1610 and CJLO-1690 which are only good, not excellent, a good sign of the ground conductivity here or of the poor X-band propagation - hi! One last question: is groundwave propagation on the X-band similar to line-of-the-sight on FM, I mean as compared to skywave on the X band or groundwave on the longwave TA-beacon bands ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Thu Jan 28 14:15:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69726 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 22:15:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 22:15:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 22:15:30 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MO-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWZ00C4E9SMVA80@VL-MO-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:14:47 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <011001caa067$4c42c3c0$6800a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <002201caa039$0298aa60$6800a8c0@B> <00b601caa065$35817ca0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:14:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} three mediumwave logs - am stereo + Cuba X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=wJqe6-sCggHe22_kg-27qvalJThhNLYdg5lBtBxKUWExMlj_ipriR7o X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard WKSH before... I prefer KCJJ anyway... I was SURE it was from something on 1640, there isn't much on 1620... With CJWI-1610 going to 1410, it will truly open up this frequency here... In the meantime, aside from WDHP, the day Radio Marti dissapeared from WDHP, so did the Progreso-1620 reports. May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan stock on the heavy winds [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Thu Jan 28 14:15:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96920 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 22:15:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 22:15:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 22:15:29 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MO-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWZ006YJ9NIZDC0@VL-MO-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:11:44 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <00ed01caa066$de646430$6800a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <002201caa039$0298aa60$6800a8c0@B> <00b601caa065$35817ca0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:11:41 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} three mediumwave logs - am stereo + Cuba X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=wJqe6-sCggHe22_kg-27qvalJThhNLYdg5lBtBxKUWExMlj_ipriR7o X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You know the Sony CFS-6000 is aside from an obscure Sanyo model, the only one of two boomboxes with AM Stereo EVER MADE ! I found it on EBay ! Well, I', not too much of a technical mind, more into music, philosophy and foreign languages, but I'll have to ask Sheldon Harvey... He used to be the most active MW DXer in the Montreal area, before I came into the scene ! He is receiving my reports like anyone else, but I haven't received a reply from him in years... Of course, I must admit I published a list of Venezuelan stations he logged saying I was fascinated by his YVDX skills and that caused me to not be in such a friendly relationship with him... Aside from Sheldon Harvey, I even wonder why there aren't more DXers out here in the MTL area. I must leave, we have heavy winds and a very heavy snowfall and we are on the verge of an electricty outage - good for DXing, bad for the Internet ! May the good DX be with all of you, nevertheless ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:55 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} three mediumwave logs - am stereo + Cuba WKSH- Sussex-Milwaukee, owned by Radio Disney. I'm assuming this is an analog tuner? Why not pop it open and adjust the oscillator trimmer so it will tune to 1700 or just a tad past? Then tune to a station on or near 1400 and readjust the antenna trimmer for best signal. You'll sacrifice a bit of upper end dial calibration but you'll be able to tune the whole band. Done it a few times myself. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: hard-core-dx@hard-core-dx.com ; BACONTI@aol.com ; nrcidxd@aol.com ; mwdx@yahoogroups.com ; condiglist@yahoogroups.com ; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com ; amstereo@yahoogroups.com ; ABDX@yahoogroups.com Cc: pkloops@bigpond.net.au ; Tudor M. Vedeanu ; alaingutton@yahoo.fr ; jrtrevilly@free.fr ; stephanecounot@yahoo.fr ; fkp36@yahoo.fr ; da_18gurlz@hotmail.com ; olivier.tequi ; Pierre CHABOT ; Jorge Medina ; venezuelanqslhelp@yahoo.com ; Jorge Garcia ; texas4421@core.com ; lpa754@hotmail.com ; bourdeau_annemarie22@hotmail.com ; ve2shw@yahoo.com ; pepe8877@hotmail.com ; Kyru Rex ; Philippe ... ; MarkWA1ION@aol.com ; mtardif17@hotmail.com ; flying_dead_corpses_in_the_sky@hotmail.com ; Juan Carlos Lemieux ; o_p_nimigean@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: {AMSF} three mediumwave logs - am stereo + Cuba Is there something IBOC on 1620-1640 in the northeast or even further into the midwest that could potentially harm KCJJ in the Montreal area ? 1680 WTTM Princettown, NJ 01/28 0235 EST - in order to get it in CQuam, I almost had to break the dial which stopss right at 1678 or 1679 kHz, --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Jan 28 14:24:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49382 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 22:24:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 22:24:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 22:24:21 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.39] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100128162404000064800010.0) with SMTP id <20100128162404000064800010> for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:24:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010a01caa069$2c7425a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <00d801caa065$fa11c4d0$6800a8c0@B> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:24:04 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} WTTM-NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=RXXtL6B4xmh2Aebw_4gmjYeu2iH5SiPGgFfWSc1M8x_Kyr7NMSqw X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WTTM used to be stereo, but don't know if they still are. Their CE, Neal Newman, used to be on this list but don't know if he still is. Haven't seen him post in ages but I know he's real busy plus he's had a lot of health problems. They moved the transmitter site and bought a new transmitter and he hadn't figured out how to get the stereo generator to work with the new box, the last I knew. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Kyru Rex ; amstereo@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:05 PM Subject: {AMSF} WTTM-NJ I can get it distorted instead of WTTM on the top of the dial when in AM WIDE MODE, but it is so much detuned that I can't decode C-Quam, if it is indeed a stereo signal. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Thu Jan 28 14:58:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9717 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 22:58:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 22:58:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 22:58:42 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KWZ00KF1BSCPB40@VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:57:51 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <6BF9DF86C19C4D4BB6C3F143840C466C@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <534283122C104B7E992861F713D3EB71@MirelaPC> <005001caa05f$8d33cd00$d503fea9@stodd> In-reply-to: <005001caa05f$8d33cd00$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:57:36 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Latest graveyard logs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=Yao7Cuq_E9Fh8UfAslfVa_NUilP9WhKz44fti8vcGBwee0rAZAgL5zI X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your reply ! Unfortunatly, the expected electricity outage hasn`t arrived, as the storm level dramatically diminushed... So they are only playing music late at night ?... May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:15 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Latest graveyard logs They do carry a number of talk shows, but they do still play music at nights when I last tuned them in early this month. They were still stereo last I bothered to tune them in on a stereo receiver- a bit before Thanksgiving. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: Mirela Chiochiu To: ABDX@yahoogroups.com ; Oana Popa-Nimigean Cc: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:27 PM Subject: {AMSF} Latest graveyard logs 1630 KCJJ Iowa City, IA 26/01 0230 - ID with clear audio but no real stereo separation. Is it still C-Quam and is it still playing music ? They sounded more like a talker ! I`m afraid, I couldn`t test my Sony CFS-6000 on those guys ! At least, they are still getting out ! Usually where there is even some slight co-channel QRM, the stereo is faking or moving sidewards, even if the audio is overal clear, so I need an insight if KCJJ-1630 is still C-Quam into 2010. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Jan 28 17:09:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37851 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2010 01:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2010 01:09:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f188.google.com) (209.85.216.188) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2010 01:09:12 -0000 X-Received: by pxi26 with SMTP id 26so1107946pxi.17 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:08:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.114.243.14 with SMTP id q14mr61985wah.168.1264727288243; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:08:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <3F7727F3F643439DA5DA1459CFBDB581@workstation> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:08:08 +0800 Message-ID: <6e9df1071001281708g2a7dfdb4wad21029bd2efade2@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.188 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=PnQLbJt29IjrP1oq_QxxTuJkapAK8VKna7gVPv6q33SpXU-2 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, its not hybrid. Its totally digital and uses a separate VHF band. In Australia, DAB+ simulcasts most of the AM/FM stations and provides some additional stations. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 1:04 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > HI GANG!!! > > Excuse my ignorance, but I need to know: IS DABPLUS INTENDED TO AM-MW? Or > It is only to new bands and FM mode? > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > "hank smith" wrote: > > > > Hello > > well said > > is england going to move to dabplus? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ian Davidson > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 12:45 AM > > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular= ? > > > > > > > > > > From: george russell > > > > > I also got to hear all of the systems, and would have to vote for > > > Magnavox, too.It was used at WOWO to the bitter end of their > > > stereo days, and even though my car radio at the time was C-QUAM, > > > it STILL sounded good, and on the SRF-A100, it sounded great! > > > > I think the C-Quam system was right for the time. Australia evaluated a= ll > > AM stereo systems and belatedly entered the AM stereo market in 1985 > > mandating C-Quam. Canada eventually followed Australia's lead, and so > > eventually did America ... but far too late. > > > > It is my view that the biggest reason that AM stereo has never been > > popularly accepted anywhere in the world (except perhaps Japan) is > because > > of the stupid way the FCC introduced four different systems in America. > > Even when it was introduced in Oz, radio people said that it was doomed > to > > fail as it had already failed in America. > > > > Nevertheless ... I very happily listened to AMS in Oz from 1985 to abou= t > > 2007. And loved it!!! > > > > I never thought I'd be saying this. But I'm very happy with our new DAB= + > > digital radio. The sound is good. Reception is superb. There's no more > > interference of either the AM sort or the FM sort. You either get a > perfect > > signal ... or you don't. On trains and trams reception is far superior > than > > either AM or FM. And each AM and FM station has been given enough > bandwidth > > to broadcast a second digital station. This already gives Melbourne > > listeners access to a dozen more digital stations (not available to > analog > > listeners) with several more on the way. > > > > So far prices of DAB+ radios are far too high ... about double what you= 'd > > pay for a similar analog radio. But prices are already coming down. And > > there are about a dozen different manufacturers making all sorts of > > different types or radios. Sony, stupidly, is not one of them. > > > > Oz was the first country to embrace DAB+. It's nice to be at the > forefront > > for a change. I think it's inevitable that other countries will > eventually > > follow our lead. > > > > Let's face it. IBOC is a dog. It was only accepted by the stupid FCC > > because it was "invented" in America and they were too insular to accep= t > > better technology from elsewhere around the globe. Plus I expect > Ubiquity's > > lobbying and bribe money of sorts was also involved. > > > > It's such a shame that most government decisions in America seem to be > made > > with money as the primary factor ... rather than people. It would seem = to > > me that the people in much less successful financially performing > countries > > (like France) are much happier than the average American because their > > governments are more inclined to put people ahead of money. > > > > Ian > > Melbourne > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Jan 28 17:14:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99816 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2010 01:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2010 01:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2010 01:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFYEPSZAJ3LJJS for (sender ); Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:12:55 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD7jVxI0/X0zWzzRGNaOUToQ= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P5EG8RKZ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:12:15 PST X-Received: from [76.194.240.40] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:12:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:12:12 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100128.171212.13173.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 189 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2392654444 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Here is your chance! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=LWNZqBSWIgh_foRSGc-WkaS5ATBFZFmbXZFW8bGvyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Albuquerque's Radio Disney KALY (1240) =96 goes silent. KALY went dark last week. Disney bought the 1-kw fulltimer in 2003 for $65= 0,000. Will go for under $100K. Here is your chance! From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 01:49:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66541 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2010 09:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2010 09:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2010 09:48:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2010 09:47:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2010 09:47:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:47:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801caa05f$360dece0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.20.26 From: "pdmtr" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=FuU2Io3jFx_fwkL2L-7ZFg2-QMrOGlsP-3ZaKAV4PxY X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Probably the production file of them it was transfered to http://www.lansda= le.com/ as is the case for all similar products of that era...=20 The above company has got most of the RF IC line and can run production und= er request for even some thousands pcs.=20 Better source of course is broker stocks that still have them in 100's thou= sands! Price of course is not so good... but you can get even a 100 pcs fro= m them!=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > No, it hasn't been made for a number of years. I think ON Semiconductor = now has the manufacturing rights, but likely anyone wanting that chip would= need to order a minimum of a million of them to get them at any decent pri= ce. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jotape1960=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:40 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular= ? >=20 >=20 >=20 > About the chip, Is the Motoroloa MC13028 the last available? Is it avai= lable today? I mean: Is Motorola making it today? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Jan 29 01:55:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34275 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2010 09:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2010 09:55:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f189.google.com) (209.85.211.189) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2010 09:55:37 -0000 X-Received: by ywh27 with SMTP id 27so1506731ywh.1 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:55:37 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.161.22 with SMTP id j22mr1355263ybe.26.1264758937145; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:55:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm655094yxe.57.2010.01.29.01.55.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:55:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4873D106F861485D80FA52D4ED947DC6@mygateway> To: References: <002201caa039$0298aa60$6800a8c0@B> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:25:33 +0430 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} three mediumwave logs - am stereo + Cuba X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=-AhylSnKAa1MD_99vNeq00B1rvOC3Sbd6qD8mmbIwU7R027ytRkU X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello can you post some recordings of this please? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: aurel chiochiu=20 To: hard-core-dx@hard-core-dx.com ; BACONTI@aol.com ; nrcidxd@aol.com ; m= wdx@yahoogroups.com ; condiglist@yahoogroups.com ; amstereoforum@yahoogroup= s.com ; amstereo@yahoogroups.com ; ABDX@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: pkloops@bigpond.net.au ; Tudor M. Vedeanu ; alaingutton@yahoo.fr ; jr= trevilly@free.fr ; stephanecounot@yahoo.fr ; fkp36@yahoo.fr ; da_18gurlz@ho= tmail.com ; olivier.tequi ; Pierre CHABOT ; Jorge Medina ; venezuelanqslhel= p@yahoo.com ; Jorge Garcia ; texas4421@core.com ; lpa754@hotmail.com ; bour= deau_annemarie22@hotmail.com ; ve2shw@yahoo.com ; pepe8877@hotmail.com ; Ky= ru Rex ; Philippe ... ; MarkWA1ION@aol.com ; mtardif17@hotmail.com ; flying= _dead_corpses_in_the_sky@hotmail.com ; Juan Carlos Lemieux ; o_p_nimigean@y= ahoo.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} three mediumwave logs - am stereo + Cuba =20=20=20=20 Warm greetings to all of you ! While the Radio Coro 780 peaked up nicely for a few minutes, I put the ta= pe to delet the low-signal parts and now, I'm glad to admit, I have a full = C90 tape with 780 oddities: Radio Coro on one side and WTEM in Maine, a day= timer with Post Sunset Authority staying on late with it's full power on th= e other one ! But the best is yet to come: armchair copy of KCJJ-1630 with over and und= er the co-channel QRM and CJRS Radio Shalom splatter ! Unbelievable, but tr= ue...do not really sounds like they switched to their 1 kW night rig, thoug= h it may seem stronger because they are omnidirectionnal ! Into the logs: 1630 KCJJ Iowa City, IA 01/28 0154 EST - End of ad bloc, "Hot Talk, Hot H= its" jingle with very clean stereo separation during a very good signal pea= k, followed by an Alicia Keys number. Also heard a couple of dozens of minu= tes earlier with a man host talking about the best way to take care of a go= lden retriever (like the very sensitive one I already breed and cheers). SI= NPO 43523 and I more reliable than WIRY-1340 as far as its signal strength = goes, at least that's the way it was the past night. I'm very happy with th= is one ! Heard with a fair level of QRM from WDAG (also new !) and a Spanis= h Mexican playing ranchera that was probably the one in Wyoming. Also some = IBOC hash, unsure from who... Is there something IBOC on 1620-1640 in the n= ortheast or even further into the midwest that could potentially harm KCJJ = in the Montreal area ? Still, not too bad overall, as far as the reception = goes ! How many IBOC "badcasters" are slicing the X-band ? (BC-QC) 1680 WTTM Princettown, NJ 01/28 0235 EST - in order to get it in CQuam, I= almost had to break the dial which stopss right at 1678 or 1679 kHz, sound= ed like some stereo separation on WTTM, maybe just a fake ? Always hard to = tell with those forced stereo sets like my trusty Sony CFS-6000 (which work= s very well between 515 and 1670 kHz) and the poor stereo separation on ran= chera music, though I thought I had one instrument one side and the other o= n the left side with the voice in both channels, though it was hard to tell= . Fadings on the X-band are choppy and my inability to tune right to 1680 m= ade the fadings sound even more unbearable than on KCJJ ! (BC-QC) 600 CUBA CMKV, Radio Rebelde, Urbano Norr=EDs JAN 28 0422 UTC - woman doi= ng a speech against racism and taking phone calls from her listeners. Atop = CKAT ! Heard on the Sony SRF-A1 barefoot while walking the dog near the C= =E9res park in Pierrefonds. Briefly good, then overtaked by QRM. Condx towa= rd Latin America generally very poor. (Chiochiu-QC) Additionnal comments: While I've only slept 4 hours the past night, I've dreamed a lot... Time = to get ready for walking the dog and starting to do that Spanish homework w= ith the Radio Coro tape in mind ! This report is brougt to you by Bogdan Alexandru Chiochiu DXing using his= Sony CFS-6000 with the passive tunable PK AM loop or the Sony SRF-A1 baref= oot while walking the dog - both excellent for mediumwave and DXing and Mot= orola C-Quam listening ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 01:57:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98755 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2010 09:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2010 09:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2010 09:57:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2010 09:56:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2010 09:56:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:56:52 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d801caa065$fa11c4d0$6800a8c0@B> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.20.26 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: WTTM-NJ X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=kb6BkZGsKKMSkc4m59DZkXg34s6fskTcgiaIR2wSu28 X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr i would suggest to get a look at this excellent AMS radio! It can be used e= ither at home or your car! Got many of them in the past and I did enjoyed t= he reception capabilities of them! Also there easy to re-tune them to get f= ull 520-1710KHz reception...=20 "Epay" :) Item number: 330333760864=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, aurel chiochiu wrote: > > Hello again ! >=20 > It's me, the most passionated AM Stereo fan in the Montreal area... >=20 > The Sony CFS-6000, the higher it CAN tune is up to around 1678 or 1679 kH= z, so by pushing the tuning knob to almost breaking it (I have to be carefu= l, since it's the BEST RADIO I'VE EVER USED IF - AND ONLY IF - USED ALONG T= HE TUNABLE PK AM LOOP - OTHERWISE IN THE X-BAND AND ON THE BOTTON END, THE = SENSITIVITY SUCKS, WHILE THE SELECTIVITY IS VERY GOOD IN AM NORMAL MODE AND= DECENT FOR SEMI-LOCAL LISTENING IN AM WIDE MODE) I hear some stereo separa= tion on the ranchera music played by WTTM in Princettown, NJ. It is like he= aring a voice in both channels, one trumpet on the right and a higher frequ= ency trompet on the left, but I'm used with false stereo effect on forced s= tereo receivers, so are they really in stereo or just a plain echo ? You kn= ow that echo caused by platform motion...I even get it in WBBM null while h= aunting for Radio Coro Siete Ochenta... I'm ashamed to ask this question, b= ut what receivers will tune the whole X-band up to 1710 kHz, not just 1679 = kHz ? Is CJLO-1690 in stereo ? Is it still at least ONE SINGLE AM broadcast= er LEFT in the Montreal area other than the fringy WIRY-1340 ? I can get it= distorted instead of WTTM on the top of the dial when in AM WIDE MODE, but= it is so much detuned that I can't decode C-Quam, if it is indeed a stereo= signal. There is an AMS decoder available for sale on EBay, but I'm afraid= it won't tune the X-Band. >=20 > I'm still very excited overal with this radio and my ability to tune up t= o KCJJ was like a miracle... I couldn't belive it will get past the 1650 CJ= RS splatter which is my strongest X-band pest, way stronger than CJWI-1610 = and CJLO-1690 which are only good, not excellent, a good sign of the ground= conductivity here or of the poor X-band propagation - hi! >=20 > One last question: is groundwave propagation on the X-band similar to lin= e-of-the-sight on FM, I mean as compared to skywave on the X band or ground= wave on the longwave TA-beacon bands ? >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From acq@videotron.ca Fri Jan 29 06:42:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90508 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2010 14:42:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2010 14:42:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2010 14:42:40 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KX0007UGJJ1O780@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:42:39 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <4447CAA16A364FE19915B33D77C58103@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <002201caa039$0298aa60$6800a8c0@B> <4873D106F861485D80FA52D4ED947DC6@mygateway> In-reply-to: <4873D106F861485D80FA52D4ED947DC6@mygateway> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:42:31 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} three mediumwave logs - am stereo + Cuba X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=M3h0aZiwO1LrLnuHKOCuEbRyWqpGmm1LOy51r3S6wsTcqUPJFiZclD4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warm greetings ! I will post more recordings of Radio Coro and KCJJ this week-end ! I would = like to share them with the person who send us the radio... The buzz came back right now, it was on yesturday and I had to DX during th= e wee hours of the morning to get a break from it. I don`t believe some neighbors are watching TV right now. May the good DX be with you, nevertheless ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: hank smith=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:55 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} three mediumwave logs - am stereo + Cuba =20=20=20=20 hello can you post some recordings of this please? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: aurel chiochiu=20 To: hard-core-dx@hard-core-dx.com ; BACONTI@aol.com ; nrcidxd@aol.com ; m= wdx@yahoogroups.com ; condiglist@yahoogroups.com ; amstereoforum@yahoogroup= s.com ; amstereo@yahoogroups.com ; ABDX@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: pkloops@bigpond.net.au ; Tudor M. Vedeanu ; alaingutton@yahoo.fr ; jr= trevilly@free.fr ; stephanecounot@yahoo.fr ; fkp36@yahoo.fr ; da_18gurlz@ho= tmail.com ; olivier.tequi ; Pierre CHABOT ; Jorge Medina ; venezuelanqslhel= p@yahoo.com ; Jorge Garcia ; texas4421@core.com ; lpa754@hotmail.com ; bour= deau_annemarie22@hotmail.com ; ve2shw@yahoo.com ; pepe8877@hotmail.com ; Ky= ru Rex ; Philippe ... ; MarkWA1ION@aol.com ; mtardif17@hotmail.com ; flying= _dead_corpses_in_the_sky@hotmail.com ; Juan Carlos Lemieux ; o_p_nimigean@y= ahoo.com=20 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:13 PM Subject: {AMSF} three mediumwave logs - am stereo + Cuba Warm greetings to all of you ! While the Radio Coro 780 peaked up nicely for a few minutes, I put the ta= pe to delet the low-signal parts and now, I'm glad to admit, I have a full = C90 tape with 780 oddities: Radio Coro on one side and WTEM in Maine, a day= timer with Post Sunset Authority staying on late with it's full power on th= e other one ! But the best is yet to come: armchair copy of KCJJ-1630 with over and und= er the co-channel QRM and CJRS Radio Shalom splatter ! Unbelievable, but tr= ue...do not really sounds like they switched to their 1 kW night rig, thoug= h it may seem stronger because they are omnidirectionnal ! Into the logs: 1630 KCJJ Iowa City, IA 01/28 0154 EST - End of ad bloc, "Hot Talk, Hot H= its" jingle with very clean stereo separation during a very good signal pea= k, followed by an Alicia Keys number. Also heard a couple of dozens of minu= tes earlier with a man host talking about the best way to take care of a go= lden retriever (like the very sensitive one I already breed and cheers). SI= NPO 43523 and I more reliable than WIRY-1340 as far as its signal strength = goes, at least that's the way it was the past night. I'm very happy with th= is one ! Heard with a fair level of QRM from WDAG (also new !) and a Spanis= h Mexican playing ranchera that was probably the one in Wyoming. Also some = IBOC hash, unsure from who... Is there something IBOC on 1620-1640 in the n= ortheast or even further into the midwest that could potentially harm KCJJ = in the Montreal area ? Still, not too bad overall, as far as the reception = goes ! How many IBOC "badcasters" are slicing the X-band ? (BC-QC) 1680 WTTM Princettown, NJ 01/28 0235 EST - in order to get it in CQuam, I= almost had to break the dial which stopss right at 1678 or 1679 kHz, sound= ed like some stereo separation on WTTM, maybe just a fake ? Always hard to = tell with those forced stereo sets like my trusty Sony CFS-6000 (which work= s very well between 515 and 1670 kHz) and the poor stereo separation on ran= chera music, though I thought I had one instrument one side and the other o= n the left side with the voice in both channels, though it was hard to tell= . Fadings on the X-band are choppy and my inability to tune right to 1680 m= ade the fadings sound even more unbearable than on KCJJ ! (BC-QC) 600 CUBA CMKV, Radio Rebelde, Urbano Norr=EDs JAN 28 0422 UTC - woman doi= ng a speech against racism and taking phone calls from her listeners. Atop = CKAT ! Heard on the Sony SRF-A1 barefoot while walking the dog near the C= =E9res park in Pierrefonds. Briefly good, then overtaked by QRM. Condx towa= rd Latin America generally very poor. (Chiochiu-QC) Additionnal comments: While I've only slept 4 hours the past night, I've dreamed a lot... Time = to get ready for walking the dog and starting to do that Spanish homework w= ith the Radio Coro tape in mind ! This report is brougt to you by Bogdan Alexandru Chiochiu DXing using his= Sony CFS-6000 with the passive tunable PK AM loop or the Sony SRF-A1 baref= oot while walking the dog - both excellent for mediumwave and DXing and Mot= orola C-Quam listening ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 09:27:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20784 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2010 17:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2010 17:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2010 17:27:19 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2010 17:27:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2010 17:27:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2010 17:27:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:27:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.60.65 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=pMOKUzj0_mnbQMsERymvlEqOr4Bepr5352tt94cP8_-lfAxDOw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I'm not a college engineer and/or technician. I'm just a man who had to get= in into the radio world because I was born into a family which had a radio= station (my grandfather founded the station at 1933) so all my limited kno= wledge is by practice, only. But, I've read enough to know that the original Kahn ISB AM Stereo had some= limitations because in that years the technology was limited. Today we wouldn't have any limitation about the stereo separation, in all t= he audio band, because we can use the digital domain world to generate the = ISB signal. And, I want to insist, ISB is the only pure-AM stereo system, full compatib= le with mono receivers and without increase the total bandwidth on the air = (full In Band On Channel, hahahaha). Even more, under extreme hard receiving conditions ISB is the only one syst= em which could win, with a lot of background noise of course, but still ste= reo. The great problem here is... Guess!!! THE ONLY ONE FCC APPROVED SYSTEM IS C-QUAM AND NOBODY IN THE WORLD IS DOING= SOMETHING TO TRY TO RESUSCITATE IT. Why? Vested interests, I guess. Ibiquity has invested too much and I don't think= they are ready to lose the battle easily (however I think the digital audi= o AM, in the MW band, is dead because you need 4 times your today analog po= wer to get the same geographical coverage area and I don't know who will pa= y the electric bill). Solutions? I can only see one way: 1) TO CHANGE THE MIND OF ALL TODAY AM-MW STATIONS OWNERS AND TO RETURN TO T= HE GLORIOUS DAYS OF THE FULL STEREO MUSIC FORMAT. 2) TO CHANGE THE MIND OF ALL THE ADVERTISEMENT AGENCIES TO INVEST IN AM (It= is intended to remove all those young empty brains office executives whom = think about a world which I can not to see anywhere, only on their minds). 3) TO CHANGE THE MIND OF ALL THE RADIO TUNERS MAKERS AND TO GET VERY GOOD A= M RECEIVERS, WITH A FULL 10 KHZ AUDIO BANDWIDTH, AT LEAST. 4) TO CHANGE THE MIND OF THE FCC AND GET THE FULL ISB AM STEREO AS A NEW ST= ANDARD, Hahahahahaha!!! How to get it? I HAVE NO IDEA!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > I vote for Belar, because there was some distortion on monaural receivers= ! So it would have forced people to buy Belar AMS instead of trying to enj= oy the silly monaural sounds of regular AM ! >=20 > Has anyone ever heard a Belar broadcaster ? On how many stations was Bela= r TESTED (I don`t think it was used otherwise, proove me wrong !) ? Was BEL= AR better than IBOC or is Motorola C-Quam better than both ? Better than al= l 3 would be Kahn ISB with a few exceptions, it didn`t provide distortion t= o the monaural receivers to force people buying AM Stereo rigs (though it c= ould be heard on two monaural radios by detuning them to each side at once)= , but MOST IMPORTANT and this you can`t overcome with monaural radios, it d= idn`t provide stereo separation on frequencies like 10 kHz et al... For loc= al reception Motorola C-Quam is better than Belar and ISB... Belar is just = a compromise, if AND ONLY IF separation is slightly better at 5 or 10 kHz != Just some feed for thoughts ! >=20 > Aside from Motorola C-Quam, what was the LAST KAHN-HAZELTINE broadcaster = on mediumwave in North America ? >=20 > Sorry for so many questions, but I`m a huge AMS fan ! > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Jan 29 10:31:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1055 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2010 18:31:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2010 18:31:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2010 18:31:07 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.78] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100129123002000584200011.0) with SMTP id <20100129123002000584200011> for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:30:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007101caa111$a55c8360$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:30:02 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=YibKf7mKGolBPO1iStVTAx5YKzCGdiEk6AnOy-U_aFpgR6PQHgL2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vested interests? Seems to me the trend has been towards digital in anythi= ng and everything whether it's needed or not. If it weren't Ibiquity it wo= uld have been some other company(ies.) As for your so-called solutions I have to ask- ALL? Not in the least. It = would only take a handful of really good stations with really good stereo m= usic formats and at least a few decent AM stereo radios they'd promote as a= vailable to the public to restart it. They'd have to be in some halfway de= cent sized markets and that one Don posted would fit the bill as a starter.= Certainly anything in the top 100 markets. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? =20=20=20=20 The great problem here is... Guess!!! THE ONLY ONE FCC APPROVED SYSTEM IS C-QUAM AND NOBODY IN THE WORLD IS DOI= NG SOMETHING TO TRY TO RESUSCITATE IT. Why? Vested interests, I guess. Ibiquity has invested too much and I don't thi= nk they are ready to lose the battle easily (however I think the digital au= dio AM, in the MW band, is dead because you need 4 times your today analog = power to get the same geographical coverage area and I don't know who will = pay the electric bill). Solutions? I can only see one way: 1) TO CHANGE THE MIND OF ALL TODAY AM-MW STATIONS OWNERS AND TO RETURN TO= THE GLORIOUS DAYS OF THE FULL STEREO MUSIC FORMAT. 2) TO CHANGE THE MIND OF ALL THE ADVERTISEMENT AGENCIES TO INVEST IN AM (= It is intended to remove all those young empty brains office executives who= m think about a world which I can not to see anywhere, only on their minds)= . 3) TO CHANGE THE MIND OF ALL THE RADIO TUNERS MAKERS AND TO GET VERY GOOD= AM RECEIVERS, WITH A FULL 10 KHZ AUDIO BANDWIDTH, AT LEAST. 4) TO CHANGE THE MIND OF THE FCC AND GET THE FULL ISB AM STEREO AS A NEW = STANDARD, Hahahahahaha!!! How to get it? I HAVE NO IDEA!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > I vote for Belar, because there was some distortion on monaural receive= rs ! So it would have forced people to buy Belar AMS instead of trying to e= njoy the silly monaural sounds of regular AM ! >=20 > Has anyone ever heard a Belar broadcaster ? On how many stations was Be= lar TESTED (I don`t think it was used otherwise, proove me wrong !) ? Was B= ELAR better than IBOC or is Motorola C-Quam better than both ? Better than = all 3 would be Kahn ISB with a few exceptions, it didn`t provide distortion= to the monaural receivers to force people buying AM Stereo rigs (though it= could be heard on two monaural radios by detuning them to each side at onc= e), but MOST IMPORTANT and this you can`t overcome with monaural radios, it= didn`t provide stereo separation on frequencies like 10 kHz et al... For l= ocal reception Motorola C-Quam is better than Belar and ISB... Belar is jus= t a compromise, if AND ONLY IF separation is slightly better at 5 or 10 kHz= ! Just some feed for thoughts ! >=20 > Aside from Motorola C-Quam, what was the LAST KAHN-HAZELTINE broadcaste= r on mediumwave in North America ? >=20 > Sorry for so many questions, but I`m a huge AMS fan ! > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Jan 29 10:39:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85034 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2010 18:39:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2010 18:39:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.153) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2010 18:39:08 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 61713 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2010 18:39:00 -0000 Message-ID: <456354.60818.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: swvPyc4VM1mHa87xpnityVqfbUnt2jR6kH7qw4n6hnoAKkp30UqRjeHKxN2zLv_HDO1prWvf.2XhYU0wsxBdNuPudprGSHJdubI9q9iNfXGUSwi9O2bsx2EM.ZCMsGBDJOsXRs9NkClBjQ8IhKah8ZoU7qxYJm.Sutnl6rgiFr9VyxREqulasXG_ncGruqK149wDdBmS6YHa2IKRw7ENem.VlBlIghQcoXgdAbbACQVp1kzFi9pT5WFjnqqfyuV1r_xt8Alb6DClLkY0aJPKT.EMgVnSPsODbsxPh.BKuWwvilT9KKeMkHrFaxwRNcI6ncnSyg-- X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:39:00 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:39:00 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Albuquerque' s Radio Disney KALY (1240) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=dsyt92DFswDOVvJuScJo06ChhuzvEMguOvdtSOUTJct_Wei7uv4zRhQ X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Was this a stereo station? About 1/2 of the RD stations were due to the large music load, and sounded half decent in C-Quam. Local RD with IBOC has excellent up to the minute PAD info, but no stereo! From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 29 17:17:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41132 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2010 01:17:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2010 01:17:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2010 01:17:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 01:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 01:17:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:17:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007101caa111$a55c8360$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.48.95 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=URu0uMWd1JaAJVSyXlQHq_ckqxJxYUhddm6R3nuIm4BbJijfjP3qfMYMzFni38bfqXF1VUgR X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Vested interests? Seems to me the trend has been towards digital in anyt= hing and everything whether it's needed or not. If it weren't Ibiquity it = would have been some other company(ies.) >=20 > As for your so-called solutions I have to ask- ALL? Not in the least. I= t would only take a handful of really good stations with really good stereo= music formats and at least a few decent AM stereo radios they'd promote as= available to the public to restart it. They'd have to be in some halfway = decent sized markets and that one Don posted would fit the bill as a starte= r. Certainly anything in the top 100 markets. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jotape1960=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 11:31 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular= ? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > The great problem here is... Guess!!! >=20 > THE ONLY ONE FCC APPROVED SYSTEM IS C-QUAM AND NOBODY IN THE WORLD IS D= OING SOMETHING TO TRY TO RESUSCITATE IT. >=20 > Why? >=20 > Vested interests, I guess. Ibiquity has invested too much and I don't t= hink they are ready to lose the battle easily (however I think the digital = audio AM, in the MW band, is dead because you need 4 times your today analo= g power to get the same geographical coverage area and I don't know who wil= l pay the electric bill). >=20 > Solutions? >=20 > I can only see one way: >=20 > 1) TO CHANGE THE MIND OF ALL TODAY AM-MW STATIONS OWNERS AND TO RETURN = TO THE GLORIOUS DAYS OF THE FULL STEREO MUSIC FORMAT. >=20 > 2) TO CHANGE THE MIND OF ALL THE ADVERTISEMENT AGENCIES TO INVEST IN AM= (It is intended to remove all those young empty brains office executives w= hom think about a world which I can not to see anywhere, only on their mind= s). >=20 > 3) TO CHANGE THE MIND OF ALL THE RADIO TUNERS MAKERS AND TO GET VERY GO= OD AM RECEIVERS, WITH A FULL 10 KHZ AUDIO BANDWIDTH, AT LEAST. >=20 > 4) TO CHANGE THE MIND OF THE FCC AND GET THE FULL ISB AM STEREO AS A NE= W STANDARD, Hahahahahaha!!! >=20 > How to get it? >=20 > I HAVE NO IDEA!!! >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > > > I vote for Belar, because there was some distortion on monaural recei= vers ! So it would have forced people to buy Belar AMS instead of trying to= enjoy the silly monaural sounds of regular AM ! > >=20 > > Has anyone ever heard a Belar broadcaster ? On how many stations was = Belar TESTED (I don`t think it was used otherwise, proove me wrong !) ? Was= BELAR better than IBOC or is Motorola C-Quam better than both ? Better tha= n all 3 would be Kahn ISB with a few exceptions, it didn`t provide distorti= on to the monaural receivers to force people buying AM Stereo rigs (though = it could be heard on two monaural radios by detuning them to each side at o= nce), but MOST IMPORTANT and this you can`t overcome with monaural radios, = it didn`t provide stereo separation on frequencies like 10 kHz et al... For= local reception Motorola C-Quam is better than Belar and ISB... Belar is j= ust a compromise, if AND ONLY IF separation is slightly better at 5 or 10 k= Hz ! Just some feed for thoughts ! > >=20 > > Aside from Motorola C-Quam, what was the LAST KAHN-HAZELTINE broadcas= ter on mediumwave in North America ? > >=20 > > Sorry for so many questions, but I`m a huge AMS fan ! > > May the good DX be with you ! > > Bogdan Chiochiu > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Scott and guys. The one radio that would be a good start would be the So= ny SRF A300 AM Stereo FM Stereo radio FM tuned to north america and AM tune= up to 1700. Jim Smith From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 29 17:26:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25073 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2010 01:26:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2010 01:26:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2010 01:26:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 01:26:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 01:26:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:26:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B5D1C63.4010002@gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.48.95 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=bsKbBQAd8LFAe5eEcciR8kaNtYINKYeFHZ8tArULvCCRAsdQUd2dXSYPZLum67c84r6R4pv5 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kj4hyd wrote: > > hank smith wrote: > > can cquam decode the other standards? > >=20=20=20 >=20 > Yes, if it is a "Forced-Mode" such as used in Sony, or tricked into=20 > going into Stereo by the station broadcasting a 25 Hz tone, such as 1190= =20 > WOWO did, C-QUAM chips will decode C-QUAM, Harris, and Magnavox. >=20 > > also has any one created any transmitters fore those other standards? > >=20=20=20 >=20 > Most ANY transmitter can be converted to use any AM Stereo Exciter, and=20 > in fact, modern transmitters have the Input already on them to use a=20 > AM-Stereo or HD-Radio Exciter. >=20 > --=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical s= tandpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > Hi Gang Has any one tryed makeing a A.L Parts 15 Harris Kahn Magnavox and= maybe RCA Bell Air. Just wondering. Jim Smith From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 29 17:39:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60913 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2010 01:39:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2010 01:39:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2010 01:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 01:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 01:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 01:39:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:39:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.48.95 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=y9aq9CLd-Ss4-z4NNXR9OXoqWM-41wcskpShACF2ytJ9tSJbPcY1Tw3WE2aUniamnuuiFtEs X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kj4hyd wrote: > > > > hank smith wrote: > > > can cquam decode the other standards? > > >=20=20=20 > >=20 > > Yes, if it is a "Forced-Mode" such as used in Sony, or tricked into=20 > > going into Stereo by the station broadcasting a 25 Hz tone, such as 119= 0=20 > > WOWO did, C-QUAM chips will decode C-QUAM, Harris, and Magnavox. > >=20 > > > also has any one created any transmitters fore those other standards? > > >=20=20=20 > >=20 > > Most ANY transmitter can be converted to use any AM Stereo Exciter, and= =20 > > in fact, modern transmitters have the Input already on them to use a=20 > > AM-Stereo or HD-Radio Exciter. > >=20 > > --=20 > > 73, > > Kevin Raper > > KJ4HYD > > CE WCKI WQIZ > >=20 > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical= standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > Hi Gang Has any one tryed makeing a A.L Parts 15 Harris Kahn Magnavox a= nd maybe RCA Bell Air. Just wondering. Jim Smith > Hi Gang P.S Of corse with all pilot tones and 25kz for all systems. Jim S= mith From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 29 17:46:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64712 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2010 01:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2010 01:46:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2010 01:46:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 01:46:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 01:46:45 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:46:43 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.18.48.95 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=b0gjoBCXphXdQ-Z-GeqApBdVoTRvFiRs64MENLvdZlIBXQomFprbQebzNxosv5BV8BS1Q3Y6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, kj4hyd wrote: > > > > > > hank smith wrote: > > > > can cquam decode the other standards? > > > >=20=20=20 > > >=20 > > > Yes, if it is a "Forced-Mode" such as used in Sony, or tricked into=20 > > > going into Stereo by the station broadcasting a 25 Hz tone, such as 1= 190=20 > > > WOWO did, C-QUAM chips will decode C-QUAM, Harris, and Magnavox. > > >=20 > > > > also has any one created any transmitters fore those other standard= s? > > > >=20=20=20 > > >=20 > > > Most ANY transmitter can be converted to use any AM Stereo Exciter, a= nd=20 > > > in fact, modern transmitters have the Input already on them to use a= =20 > > > AM-Stereo or HD-Radio Exciter. > > >=20 > > > --=20 > > > 73, > > > Kevin Raper > > > KJ4HYD > > > CE WCKI WQIZ > > >=20 > > > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematic= al standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn > > > > > Hi Gang Has any one tryed makeing a A.L Parts 15 Harris Kahn Magnavox= and maybe RCA Bell Air. Just wondering. Jim Smith > > > Hi Gang P.S Of corse with all pilot tones and 25kz for all systems. Jim= Smith > Hi Very tired!!! Just wondering ???????!!!!!!! Once iCRAP lets go of ther= e scamatics for the engeneers to play with can some one try useing 25 hz p= ilot tone with HD signal???????!!!!!!! Jim S From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Jan 29 20:19:16 2010 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51030 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2010 04:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2010 04:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2010 04:17:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1264825074; bh=yYhCkZlb9K5FXMHWQH75zQdmmK9ZdoOE2R1K08e+gLM=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=U36uZmyTAnOXlMiVbPzxsiOv62PdU9WQ+4i7x5IlyuleEKfeQhtLrqTSdlUkoTwNrOxUSDgTGPqfEFldEQUifAwaaSQr/f8IR/+XaqcIEWUiDE12HvKWDesrqDmRhlor Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 04:17:54 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2010 04:17:54 -0000 Date: 30 Jan 2010 04:17:54 -0000 Message-ID: <1264825074.1195.18473.w5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /SonyCFS6000PKloop.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Why is the stereo separation greater in MP3 than in .WAV ? Curiosity enquires ! 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File : /WINY1350.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : Another great catche on the Sony CFS-6000 PK tunable loop amplified by induction combo ! Unfortunatly, it is far from reliable unlike KCJJ-1630 which is almost reliable here on a good night ! 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(dialup-4.154.35.243.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33sm39411388vws.11.2010.01.30.09.10.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:10:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B64681F.5070406@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:10:55 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=TkReIejub29SdcWuJIKy8NOpTPtl4haVRa85AJf9FuBVG2KVrwmQiKrEhKA-kQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jim smith wrote: > Once iCRAP lets go of there scamatics for the engeneers to play with can some one try useing 25 hz pilot tone with HD signal???????!!!!!!! No, but with a re-write of the Firmware, it looks like it could be made to produce a C-QUAM Signal. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sat Jan 30 16:54:22 2010 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3067 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2010 00:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2010 00:50:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 00:50:19 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1264899012; bh=jT/CCzGBOZoD7iIIqZ5pSUwPSe0Z7qOSN/+z8N+tHK8=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=W0x6T9CbnXW+RGygvUzwpENTRjwwuBLD5MF0CmUs7OSXuk8+GfmGowUsGzdlXV2M83UNlNluzmcuAMYq+HTTlOclNh3/jNQxDA5tWYlHc5ZLAvVMk8iKW3tL/5c+1rOx Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2010 00:50:12 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2010 00:50:12 -0000 Date: 31 Jan 2010 00:50:10 -0000 Message-ID: <1264899010.46065.37332.w6@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /false_stereo_phasing.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : A weird type of schizo-miking since WIRY-1340 is too far and too weak at 1 kW for clear stereo, though I don`t know... I`ll leave it up to you... Recorded around noon in Montreal using a PK loop to get some stereo effect, not sure if real... On a forced stereo receiver with no ST pilot, how can you know when there is stereo on all stations, not juste WIRY ? For how long WIRY will continue the best thing in the world from our point of view ? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/false_stereo_phasing.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles Regards, bogdanchiochiu From acq@videotron.ca Sat Jan 30 17:09:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42500 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2010 01:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2010 01:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 01:06:35 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KX300MVD71BNI00@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:06:34 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <98CE9F4BBCBF4FF0B58535B518163E1F@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:05:31 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:5:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Stereo ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=pw4EBydxJKcACwktNcbmMvgxzbC-P7UII-I4T2qSOI9Miv6ZM6-wpPg X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warm greetings to all of you ! Tapes are more and more difficult to find... Therefore, I`m transfering them into MP3s as the time passes. That being said, as noisy as the computers are, it`s nice to keep a few tapes from time to time to record new stuff especially when you have this Heavenly receiver that is the Sony CFS6000... It`s a mixture between the Sony CFS-3000 (AM mono - FM Stereo) and the Sony A100 (AM Stereo - FM Stereo) and it has the forced stereo feature, Dolby sounding and amazing filters... When prone to IBOC, I can semi-null the adjacent channel offender, and then dramatically reduce the remaining hash by pushing to minimum the 4 kHz filter... It`s like a proto-single side band receiver... Back on topic, because of this otherwise wonderful forced stereo feature and the lack of a REAL stereo pilot, it`s hard to tell apart some phasing trick to make all stations have platform motion and some limited stereo separation and REAL stereo... A member of AMSF talked about schizo-miking and h is right... When you want something, you often see yourself as already having it - the power of suggestion ! Here is a short, albeit too long for some, WIRY-1340 aircheck... Is it REAL C-QUAM (should I go ahead and jump) or is it some weird phasing trick on a weak signal (not that weak, but not really strong either) that replace C-Quam decoding (I should be disappointed and go visit Plattsburg)... Otherwise, I`m aware of the C-Quam status of WIRY-1340. Recorded today at noon on the best day of the week here for groundwave DX, as there wasn`t much daytime skywave at noon to jam this graveyard channel. May the good DX be with you and please enjoy the signal, even though it MAY not be real stereo - but at least you you learn something more about how forced stereo is related to schizo-miking ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sun Jan 31 15:00:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85058 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2010 23:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2010 23:00:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 23:00:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97015 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2010 23:00:24 -0000 Message-ID: <83400.95074.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: jm9xmIAVM1kK7L.1Ce9Avrd3kcfzwqlx8PY.9Id6.HY.LlkWoEX37LNlaAm7XdP_QJng2dzjX6iQxia5qfdKU9vm_X47Jw58kPUK8p3BcVzCV31LXuz5nXv9oL1QxuBLTMlUHiMT2gGNh72Nt76U6oRCzIY6DpupIIleAe7OKeST.quFXEVLkhm8Tn8HAobrH1bhxV1cDTsnWuTtvzukKP09ovhbnWLG1TlccNai2nHvrnYYoS1HqtwEKbaFHAfZZUytWw0xiVV_sxDYovphSZPE8mxyVysinAVh1UgS.mHV1neemavkA9DRD3YxWhSe_ruH9eNL X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:00:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:00:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: WIRY in Plattsburgh is C-Quam AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=u3rmsMzXfIQGlt6OtZUCMr77cOzrGrCtXE1_21YXT7Wi8N23qUNaRW0 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I spoke with the GM of WIRY, and they have a BE transmitter WITH built-in CQUAM that they KEPT when they moved their studios / transmitter. They are definately CQUAM, and even their banner that they use for local remotes has the words "AM STEREO" writting on their logo! That's the kind of station that we need more of - live, local and CQuam AM stereo. They even have turntables too! From acq@videotron.ca Sun Jan 31 15:36:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9518 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2010 23:36:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2010 23:36:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 23:35:59 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MO-MR004.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KX40077JXJXVEB0@VL-MO-MR004.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:35:59 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <015F305E02064DE18A02AF812C60E072@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <83400.95074.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <83400.95074.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:35:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} WIRY in Plattsburgh is C-Quam AM Stereo X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=WUuv-8olJnVjklEFQYd9RL_jP14PwvoO87t_lQjkrgDmNrmgUeyItCM X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks a lot for your email ! But have you listened to the MP3 aircheck of WIRY ? I ask so, because it sounds sweet. At some spots you can hear a synthesizer in the left and the folksly country guitar in the right, though it may be some platform motion... The sound clip can be found on the AMSF Yahoo! group website ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: Fortunatly, my buzz isn`t from a nearby TV set, but from HydroQuebec, as it was on every corner of the street this afternoon, while I walked my dog. From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:00 PM Subject: {AMSF} WIRY in Plattsburgh is C-Quam AM Stereo I spoke with the GM of WIRY, and they have a BE transmitter WITH built-in CQUAM that they KEPT when they moved their studios / transmitter. They are definately CQUAM, and even their banner that they use for local remotes has the words "AM STEREO" writting on their logo! That's the kind of station that we need more of - live, local and CQuam AM stereo. They even have turntables too! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sun Jan 31 15:43:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91906 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2010 23:43:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2010 23:43:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 23:43:27 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KX400J6BXWCWZI0@VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:43:26 -0500 (EST) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1264899010.46065.37332.w6@yahoogroups.com> In-reply-to: <1264899010.46065.37332.w6@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:43:20 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=GopCGqgHkyEDYH7ofZQraK7ifRGLjIbko900OW8NlUnZhu7GEmD5QpU X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See, here it is...follow the link... It would be nice since someone here talked about schizo miking when I heard the voice in one channel and the guitar the other way. Therefore, I think it`s better to listen for sure... This time I have a sad sounding country guitar on the right and an electric guitar or weird synth on the left... Is it real or a platform motion illusion ? My now trusty Sony CFS-6000 gives a stereo-like effect to all the stations, including the former 940 during the last day of broadcast, yes and on monaural stations in stereo mode, the echo is terrible and wonderful at the same time and for the untrained ear it creates a stereo illusion, yes, sometimes I have WOR in one channel and Cuba on the other one on 710, yes Cuba as this gem is also a DX machine ! I hope to write a COMPLETE review the upcoming weeks, probably the next one. Am I the only one who experienced platform motion on monaural multimode Sony receivers when in ST A mode ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /false_stereo_phasing.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : A weird type of schizo-miking since WIRY-1340 is too far and too weak at 1 kW for clear stereo, though I don`t know... I`ll leave it up to you... Recorded around noon in Montreal using a PK loop to get some stereo effect, not sure if real... On a forced stereo receiver with no ST pilot, how can you know when there is stereo on all stations, not juste WIRY ? For how long WIRY will continue the best thing in the world from our point of view ? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/false_stereo_phasing.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles Regards, bogdanchiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sun Jan 31 15:57:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42104 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2010 23:57:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2010 23:57:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 23:57:16 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KX4003E2YHMZR61@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:56:12 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <1CA3315DBC864EC0BB9593021CDBD106@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1264899010.46065.37332.w6@yahoogroups.com> In-reply-to: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:56:06 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=ptJ7IK2aFldeafGc3oQ0YBA2qJE3ScCz5Bizq7bd_bwb2ITv-1TBU1k X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Btw. It is not NECESARILLY false_stereo_phasing, just that the stereo separation isn`t exactly as I wrote, the guitar is stronger on the right and the synth on the left, but it is quite subtle, so I would like some opinions here. It is that every new thing like LW or C-Quam is so exciting and I want to know evertything I can about it... Here is the reason of this flooding: That is what I call schizo-miking. True stereo uses two channels to create depth like our two eyes do with visual information, not a means of conveying two discrete channels of information. It would be like watching one actor in a movie with one eye and another with the other. Mike (mjgrant@aol.com) Unfortunatly, platform motion can induce schizo-miking... On WIRY there is some sharper separation at times, not sure if a phasing trick in my Sony... I know it is C-Quam but it is Plattsburg too far from Montreal and C-Quam has local range during the day, not semi-local using first generation tuners. On KCJJ, the IBOC from WKSH-1640 makes for a loss of stereo separation 80% of the time, unlike the lucky jingle I`ve sent on AMSF and ABDX from which I haven`t received a feedback yet. As you can hear the signal is weak; it sounds good, because I used the PK AM loop from Australia, not sure if enough to trigger the Motorola indicator on my Sony CFS-6000, but certainly tempting. May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: I know, I`m obsessed with that schizo-miking issue... From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /false_stereo_phasing.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : A weird type of schizo-miking since WIRY-1340 is too far and too weak at 1 kW for clear stereo, though I don`t know... I`ll leave it up to you... Recorded around noon in Montreal using a PK loop to get some stereo effect, not sure if real... On a forced stereo receiver with no ST pilot, how can you know when there is stereo on all stations, not juste WIRY ? For how long WIRY will continue the best thing in the world from our point of view ? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/false_stereo_phasing.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles Regards, bogdanchiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sun Jan 31 16:07:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30813 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2010 00:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2010 00:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2010 00:07:27 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KX400H78YZJJH70@VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:06:56 -0500 (EST) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:06:52 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=Oq_SDpXbFRNEhMvvIl-q4ACqGCQpSYEk9alXH5q98AFCtGG4A_pbf8E X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello again ! I wonder if anyone else experienced platform motion on the SONY A100 or the= SONY CFS6000 when using this multimode receiver in AM ST A mode... How do = you find it ? It sounds like a trip to LA RONDE (for those who know this Mo= ntreal area party speed center`- I don`t know how to translate f=EAte forra= ine otherwise). May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sun Jan 31 16:09:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20160 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2010 00:09:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2010 00:09:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2010 00:09:37 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KX40081EZ409CE0@VL-MH-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:09:37 -0500 (EST) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-reply-to: Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:09:31 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=AZkMItoZJLIJy88qwS2ZX7TYKVPJz3BWqMOnMNM8Q9s54yqft4EDvo4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I talked about MONAURAL signals, like Cuba or Venezuela, not C-Quam ones...= At times, it is difficult to disntiguish between C-Quam and mono, though C= FCO-630 clearly is C-Quam. WIRY-1340 is C-Quam too, but the signal is weake= r here, so I`m not as positive on the stereo separation, maybe some of you = could take a listen on my MP3 recordings. May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mirela Chiochiu=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:06 PM Subject: {AMSF} platform motion =20=20=20=20 Hello again ! I wonder if anyone else experienced platform motion on the SONY A100 or t= he SONY CFS6000 when using this multimode receiver in AM ST A mode... How d= o you find it ? It sounds like a trip to LA RONDE (for those who know this = Montreal area party speed center`- I don`t know how to translate f=EAte for= raine otherwise). May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Jan 31 16:13:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38717 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2010 00:13:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2010 00:13:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f190.google.com) (209.85.210.190) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2010 00:13:53 -0000 X-Received: by yxe28 with SMTP id 28so658823yxe.19 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:13:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.117.29 with SMTP id p29mr5175924ybc.182.1264983233168; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:13:53 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1485395yxg.46.2010.01.31.16.13.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:13:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4BF387A98A4D49BEAC3DF9F8DE57BEB3@mygateway> To: References: <1264899010.46065.37332.w6@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 04:43:50 +0430 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=AQbzDuNR9BIovDfBLpo90t71PtqJHePU4acGPzstHIaHxmso8oQ5 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what rig do you have? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mirela Chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:13 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum See, here it is...follow the link... It would be nice since someone here talked about schizo miking when I heard the voice in one channel and the guitar the other way. Therefore, I think it`s better to listen for sure... This time I have a sad sounding country guitar on the right and an electric guitar or weird synth on the left... Is it real or a platform motion illusion ? My now trusty Sony CFS-6000 gives a stereo-like effect to all the stations, including the former 940 during the last day of broadcast, yes and on monaural stations in stereo mode, the echo is terrible and wonderful at the same time and for the untrained ear it creates a stereo illusion, yes, sometimes I have WOR in one channel and Cuba on the other one on 710, yes Cuba as this gem is also a DX machine ! I hope to write a COMPLETE review the upcoming weeks, probably the next one. Am I the only one who experienced platform motion on monaural multimode Sony receivers when in ST A mode ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /false_stereo_phasing.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : A weird type of schizo-miking since WIRY-1340 is too far and too weak at 1 kW for clear stereo, though I don`t know... I`ll leave it up to you... Recorded around noon in Montreal using a PK loop to get some stereo effect, not sure if real... On a forced stereo receiver with no ST pilot, how can you know when there is stereo on all stations, not juste WIRY ? For how long WIRY will continue the best thing in the world from our point of view ? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/false_stereo_phasing.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles Regards, bogdanchiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sun Jan 31 17:44:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12641 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2010 01:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2010 01:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2010 01:42:08 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MO-MR003.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KX5007Y73CEA620@VL-MO-MR003.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:41:04 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <4F1B379C28D34AC7A91C5523F3281F79@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1264899010.46065.37332.w6@yahoogroups.com> <4BF387A98A4D49BEAC3DF9F8DE57BEB3@mygateway> In-reply-to: <4BF387A98A4D49BEAC3DF9F8DE57BEB3@mygateway> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:40:57 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=xvecnXnA6WDWuJjtGzYupfJt1dp-XNP920ucJDKMNa0r4v_1LA-lWiI X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just purchassed from EBay a SOny CFS6000 that I use along a PK AM loop... This antenna amplifies everything in induction with the set`s ferrite bar... It has dolby sound, FM Stereo AND AM Stereo multi-system and very clear sound when recording, almost CD-like... Very selective in AM normal mode, good enough for Pan-American and 5 kHz TA splits... Something that very slightly boost the selectivity is playing with the Equalizer which is something that came out of Heaven probably, it is like making a WAV sound recorder. It has AM ST normal and AM WIDE normal, so when you have a local station 20 kHz away (i.e. CJRS-1650 vs KCJJ-1630), you still can get the C-Quam thing on it. It is considered as being the boombox version of the Sony A100 radio by many fans... The platform motion is slightly lower than on the Sony SRF-A1 walkman. However, the separation is more subtle and soothing than on FM BECAUSE they play lots of oldies, aside from country and many early 60s records were simply not in stereo... On CFCO-630, I got for a few seconds no platform motion in a difficult WPRO-WMAL null, so I can tell they`re ST, even though I wasn`t recording then. On this particular recording the sound is very lively, closing your eyes you see floating a synth next to a folkish guitar, but I`m not sure, because I DON`T KNOW WHAT`S THE LIMIT FOR GROUNDWAVE DAYTIME C-QUAM DECODING USING SUCH A COMBO. There were ONLY two boomboxes: the Sony CFS6000 and the Sanyo MW-250, right ? I hope to write an amateurish review for the Sony CFS-6000 soon and I`ll need some thoughts regarding the only other AM ST boomboxes ever made, for comparing both althogether. May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum what rig do you have? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mirela Chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:13 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum See, here it is...follow the link... It would be nice since someone here talked about schizo miking when I heard the voice in one channel and the guitar the other way. Therefore, I think it`s better to listen for sure... This time I have a sad sounding country guitar on the right and an electric guitar or weird synth on the left... Is it real or a platform motion illusion ? My now trusty Sony CFS-6000 gives a stereo-like effect to all the stations, including the former 940 during the last day of broadcast, yes and on monaural stations in stereo mode, the echo is terrible and wonderful at the same time and for the untrained ear it creates a stereo illusion, yes, sometimes I have WOR in one channel and Cuba on the other one on 710, yes Cuba as this gem is also a DX machine ! I hope to write a COMPLETE review the upcoming weeks, probably the next one. Am I the only one who experienced platform motion on monaural multimode Sony receivers when in ST A mode ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /false_stereo_phasing.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : A weird type of schizo-miking since WIRY-1340 is too far and too weak at 1 kW for clear stereo, though I don`t know... I`ll leave it up to you... Recorded around noon in Montreal using a PK loop to get some stereo effect, not sure if real... On a forced stereo receiver with no ST pilot, how can you know when there is stereo on all stations, not juste WIRY ? For how long WIRY will continue the best thing in the world from our point of view ? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/false_stereo_phasing.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles Regards, bogdanchiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Feb 01 06:12:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35193 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2010 14:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2010 14:11:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f219.google.com) (209.85.220.219) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2010 14:11:57 -0000 X-Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so172578fxm.25 for ; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:11:56 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.223.15.148 with SMTP id k20mr2468935faa.67.1265033515843; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:11:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm1904917fxm.7.2010.02.01.06.11.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:11:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: <1264899010.46065.37332.w6@yahoogroups.com> <4BF387A98A4D49BEAC3DF9F8DE57BEB3@mygateway> <4F1B379C28D34AC7A91C5523F3281F79@MirelaPC> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:11:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.219 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=DxdfH38Is4FanWBfsLLKyBa3-DT2qrhd2BrOdjv1LvPMN3xooWcG X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what did this boonbox cost on ebay? this sounds so awesome ----- Original Message ----- From: Mirela Chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum I just purchassed from EBay a SOny CFS6000 that I use along a PK AM loop... This antenna amplifies everything in induction with the set`s ferrite bar... It has dolby sound, FM Stereo AND AM Stereo multi-system and very clear sound when recording, almost CD-like... Very selective in AM normal mode, good enough for Pan-American and 5 kHz TA splits... Something that very slightly boost the selectivity is playing with the Equalizer which is something that came out of Heaven probably, it is like making a WAV sound recorder. It has AM ST normal and AM WIDE normal, so when you have a local station 20 kHz away (i.e. CJRS-1650 vs KCJJ-1630), you still can get the C-Quam thing on it. It is considered as being the boombox version of the Sony A100 radio by many fans... The platform motion is slightly lower than on the Sony SRF-A1 walkman. However, the separation is more subtle and soothing than on FM BECAUSE they play lots of oldies, aside from country and many early 60s records were simply not in stereo... On CFCO-630, I got for a few seconds no platform motion in a difficult WPRO-WMAL null, so I can tell they`re ST, even though I wasn`t recording then. On this particular recording the sound is very lively, closing your eyes you see floating a synth next to a folkish guitar, but I`m not sure, because I DON`T KNOW WHAT`S THE LIMIT FOR GROUNDWAVE DAYTIME C-QUAM DECODING USING SUCH A COMBO. There were ONLY two boomboxes: the Sony CFS6000 and the Sanyo MW-250, right ? I hope to write an amateurish review for the Sony CFS-6000 soon and I`ll need some thoughts regarding the only other AM ST boomboxes ever made, for comparing both althogether. May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum what rig do you have? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mirela Chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:13 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum See, here it is...follow the link... It would be nice since someone here talked about schizo miking when I heard the voice in one channel and the guitar the other way. Therefore, I think it`s better to listen for sure... This time I have a sad sounding country guitar on the right and an electric guitar or weird synth on the left... Is it real or a platform motion illusion ? My now trusty Sony CFS-6000 gives a stereo-like effect to all the stations, including the former 940 during the last day of broadcast, yes and on monaural stations in stereo mode, the echo is terrible and wonderful at the same time and for the untrained ear it creates a stereo illusion, yes, sometimes I have WOR in one channel and Cuba on the other one on 710, yes Cuba as this gem is also a DX machine ! I hope to write a COMPLETE review the upcoming weeks, probably the next one. Am I the only one who experienced platform motion on monaural multimode Sony receivers when in ST A mode ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /false_stereo_phasing.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : A weird type of schizo-miking since WIRY-1340 is too far and too weak at 1 kW for clear stereo, though I don`t know... I`ll leave it up to you... Recorded around noon in Montreal using a PK loop to get some stereo effect, not sure if real... On a forced stereo receiver with no ST pilot, how can you know when there is stereo on all stations, not juste WIRY ? For how long WIRY will continue the best thing in the world from our point of view ? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/false_stereo_phasing.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles Regards, bogdanchiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Mon Feb 01 07:13:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58202 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2010 15:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2010 15:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2010 15:13:52 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KX600LN04YZ8B10@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:13:50 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <4E03D1473ED54FAEB0D4DA192F1768A8@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1264899010.46065.37332.w6@yahoogroups.com> <4BF387A98A4D49BEAC3DF9F8DE57BEB3@mygateway> <4F1B379C28D34AC7A91C5523F3281F79@MirelaPC> In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:13:41 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=MHYQYqrIlDRaIT2AwvCTJEGXLZwYkWFJASILuC_smvnF3J7F9sHjXD4 X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 40 $ since I placed the bid way too high ! By the way, I`m using this set for tape listening, as the person who sold it cleaned the tape recorder part of it. The end result ? There are many poor quality Romanian tapes that sound excellent, the sound is muffed on other tape decks, almost as if the recording it`s self was lost ! But now I`m a bit off topic, the topic isn`t airechking in general, but my WIRY aircheck ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: Still plagued with electrical noise on ALL frequencies incl. 1340 AM and even on shortwave ! But, hey, I`d rather spend some time making my MP3s availables in tape or vice-versa :) ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum what did this boonbox cost on ebay? this sounds so awesome ----- Original Message ----- From: Mirela Chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum I just purchassed from EBay a SOny CFS6000 that I use along a PK AM loop... This antenna amplifies everything in induction with the set`s ferrite bar... It has dolby sound, FM Stereo AND AM Stereo multi-system and very clear sound when recording, almost CD-like... Very selective in AM normal mode, good enough for Pan-American and 5 kHz TA splits... Something that very slightly boost the selectivity is playing with the Equalizer which is something that came out of Heaven probably, it is like making a WAV sound recorder. It has AM ST normal and AM WIDE normal, so when you have a local station 20 kHz away (i.e. CJRS-1650 vs KCJJ-1630), you still can get the C-Quam thing on it. It is considered as being the boombox version of the Sony A100 radio by many fans... The platform motion is slightly lower than on the Sony SRF-A1 walkman. However, the separation is more subtle and soothing than on FM BECAUSE they play lots of oldies, aside from country and many early 60s records were simply not in stereo... On CFCO-630, I got for a few seconds no platform motion in a difficult WPRO-WMAL null, so I can tell they`re ST, even though I wasn`t recording then. On this particular recording the sound is very lively, closing your eyes you see floating a synth next to a folkish guitar, but I`m not sure, because I DON`T KNOW WHAT`S THE LIMIT FOR GROUNDWAVE DAYTIME C-QUAM DECODING USING SUCH A COMBO. There were ONLY two boomboxes: the Sony CFS6000 and the Sanyo MW-250, right ? I hope to write an amateurish review for the Sony CFS-6000 soon and I`ll need some thoughts regarding the only other AM ST boomboxes ever made, for comparing both althogether. May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:13 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum what rig do you have? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mirela Chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:13 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum See, here it is...follow the link... It would be nice since someone here talked about schizo miking when I heard the voice in one channel and the guitar the other way. Therefore, I think it`s better to listen for sure... This time I have a sad sounding country guitar on the right and an electric guitar or weird synth on the left... Is it real or a platform motion illusion ? My now trusty Sony CFS-6000 gives a stereo-like effect to all the stations, including the former 940 during the last day of broadcast, yes and on monaural stations in stereo mode, the echo is terrible and wonderful at the same time and for the untrained ear it creates a stereo illusion, yes, sometimes I have WOR in one channel and Cuba on the other one on 710, yes Cuba as this gem is also a DX machine ! I hope to write a COMPLETE review the upcoming weeks, probably the next one. Am I the only one who experienced platform motion on monaural multimode Sony receivers when in ST A mode ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:50 PM Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /false_stereo_phasing.mp3 Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu Description : A weird type of schizo-miking since WIRY-1340 is too far and too weak at 1 kW for clear stereo, though I don`t know... I`ll leave it up to you... Recorded around noon in Montreal using a PK loop to get some stereo effect, not sure if real... On a forced stereo receiver with no ST pilot, how can you know when there is stereo on all stations, not juste WIRY ? For how long WIRY will continue the best thing in the world from our point of view ? You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/false_stereo_phasing.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles Regards, bogdanchiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Feb 01 09:40:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10952 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2010 17:40:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2010 17:40:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2010 17:40:53 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2010 17:40:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Feb 2010 17:40:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:40:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4E03D1473ED54FAEB0D4DA192F1768A8@MirelaPC> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.192 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=J3MW_SttQiUiPP2R9n5VEUILBCqwnJ0aVfdSo2enVQOkTgjHMg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I guess your aircheck IS platform motion plus some kind of stereo-mono, mon= o-stereo, stereo-mono, mono-stereo, and so and on, switching. Maybe the tuner is trying desperately to give you an stereo signal but the = conditions are so hard. Just my opinion. However, if you see it with a phase analizer, you will see how the average = "center" signal is travelling from the right to the left and from the left = to the right, and so and on, into an almost fixed cycle. Which tuner did you use? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > 40 $ since I placed the bid way too high ! >=20 > By the way, I`m using this set for tape listening, as the person who sold= it cleaned the tape recorder part of it. The end result ? There are many p= oor quality Romanian tapes that sound excellent, the sound is muffed on oth= er tape decks, almost as if the recording it`s self was lost ! But now I`m = a bit off topic, the topic isn`t airechking in general, but my WIRY airchec= k ! >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > Btw.: Still plagued with electrical noise on ALL frequencies incl. 1340 A= M and even on shortwave ! But, hey, I`d rather spend some time making my MP= 3s availables in tape or vice-versa :) > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: hank smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > what did this boonbox cost on ebay? > this sounds so awesome > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Mirela Chiochiu=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 > I just purchassed from EBay a SOny CFS6000 that I use along a PK AM loo= p... This antenna amplifies everything in induction with the set`s ferrite = bar... >=20 > It has dolby sound, FM Stereo AND AM Stereo multi-system and very clear= sound when recording, almost CD-like... Very selective in AM normal mode, = good enough for Pan-American and 5 kHz TA splits... Something that very sli= ghtly boost the selectivity is playing with the Equalizer which is somethin= g that came out of Heaven probably, it is like making a WAV sound recorder.= It has AM ST normal and AM WIDE normal, so when you have a local station 2= 0 kHz away (i.e. CJRS-1650 vs KCJJ-1630), you still can get the C-Quam thin= g on it. It is considered as being the boombox version of the Sony A100 rad= io by many fans... The platform motion is slightly lower than on the Sony S= RF-A1 walkman. However, the separation is more subtle and soothing than on = FM BECAUSE they play lots of oldies, aside from country and many early 60s = records were simply not in stereo... On CFCO-630, I got for a few seconds n= o platform motion in a difficult WPRO-WMAL null, so I can tell they`re ST, = even though I wasn`t recording then. On this particular recording the sound= is very lively, closing your eyes you see floating a synth next to a folki= sh guitar, but I`m not sure, because I DON`T KNOW WHAT`S THE LIMIT FOR GROU= NDWAVE DAYTIME C-QUAM DECODING USING SUCH A COMBO. >=20 > There were ONLY two boomboxes: the Sony CFS6000 and the Sanyo MW-250, r= ight ? I hope to write an amateurish review for the Sony CFS-6000 soon and = I`ll need some thoughts regarding the only other AM ST boomboxes ever made,= for comparing both althogether. >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: hank smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 > what rig do you have? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Mirela Chiochiu=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:13 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 > See, here it is...follow the link... It would be nice since someone her= e talked about schizo miking when I heard the voice in one channel and the = guitar the other way. Therefore, I think it`s better to listen for sure... = This time I have a sad sounding country guitar on the right and an electric= guitar or weird synth on the left... Is it real or a platform motion illus= ion ? My now trusty Sony CFS-6000 gives a stereo-like effect to all the sta= tions, including the former 940 during the last day of broadcast, yes and o= n monaural stations in stereo mode, the echo is terrible and wonderful at t= he same time and for the untrained ear it creates a stereo illusion, yes, s= ometimes I have WOR in one channel and Cuba on the other one on 710, yes Cu= ba as this gem is also a DX machine ! I hope to write a COMPLETE review the= upcoming weeks, probably the next one. >=20 > Am I the only one who experienced platform motion on monaural multimode= Sony receivers when in ST A mode ? >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu >=20 > From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:50 PM > Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /false_stereo_phasing.mp3=20 > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 > Description : A weird type of schizo-miking since WIRY-1340 is too far = and too weak at 1 kW for clear stereo, though I don`t know... I`ll leave it= up to you... Recorded around noon in Montreal using a PK loop to get some = stereo effect, not sure if real... On a forced stereo receiver with no ST p= ilot, how can you know when there is stereo on all stations, not juste WIRY= ? For how long WIRY will continue the best thing in the world from our poi= nt of view ?=20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/false_stereo_phasing.= mp3=20 >=20 > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.= htmlfiles >=20 > Regards, >=20 > bogdanchiochiu >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From acq@videotron.ca Mon Feb 01 10:15:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25930 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2010 18:15:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2010 18:15:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2010 18:15:25 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KX6003WJD46E8R0@VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:09:46 -0500 (EST) Message-id: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:09:35 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=YHV_SppJSvvYvGvCg_sRMk3ECbMl2OrmXOLXdOFI8xkmHaLiYPxoChM X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A1 H=F3la, estimado DXista ! Estoy utilizando un Sony CFS6000. =BF Porqu=E9 ? =BFPiensa usted que se tra= ta de un radio demasiado viejo ? Los antiguos receptores ten=EDan m=E1s pro= blemas de este tipo que los nuevos, pero, a pezar de todo, el efecto PLATFO= RM MOTION es menos fuerte que con mi Sony SRF-A1... A mi me encanta al plat= form motion. Me pregunto tambi=E9n si este tipo de variaci=F3n stereo-mono = se puede encontrar con alg=FAna, a=FAn PEQUE=D1A, VERDADERA separaci=F3n... Al hambre, no hay pan duro... A la necesidad de escuchar un se=F1al estereo= f=F3nico en onda media, a=FAn muy s=FAtilo, no hay verdadero obstac=FAlo. P= lattsburg es situado a alrededor de 120 al sur de Montreal y yo puedo reduc= ir WMSA situada al oeste-sur-oeste bastante bien, pues como est=E1 situado = en la misma frecuencia, a=FAn con un se=F1al pobrecito, se escucha algo muy= d=E9bil por detr=E1s que est=E1 derrumbado a la modulaci=F3n de amplit=FAd= dentro de los 4 lados. Sorry guys, tomorrow I have a Spanish class and I only did half of my homew= ork... May the good DX be with all of you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: Is anyone who can feel during that kind of brief switch from mono to = stereo, some kind of REAL separation, even if TINY ? This aircheck need mor= e detective work, as far as the stereo aspect of it goes, but here we are o= n AMSF for that purpose, of course. From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum =20=20=20=20 I guess your aircheck IS platform motion plus some kind of stereo-mono, m= ono-stereo, stereo-mono, mono-stereo, and so and on, switching. Maybe the tuner is trying desperately to give you an stereo signal but th= e conditions are so hard. Just my opinion. However, if you see it with a phase analizer, you will see how the averag= e "center" signal is travelling from the right to the left and from the lef= t to the right, and so and on, into an almost fixed cycle. Which tuner did you use? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > 40 $ since I placed the bid way too high ! >=20 > By the way, I`m using this set for tape listening, as the person who so= ld it cleaned the tape recorder part of it. The end result ? There are many= poor quality Romanian tapes that sound excellent, the sound is muffed on o= ther tape decks, almost as if the recording it`s self was lost ! But now I`= m a bit off topic, the topic isn`t airechking in general, but my WIRY airch= eck ! >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > Btw.: Still plagued with electrical noise on ALL frequencies incl. 1340= AM and even on shortwave ! But, hey, I`d rather spend some time making my = MP3s availables in tape or vice-versa :) > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: hank smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 >=20 >=20 > what did this boonbox cost on ebay? > this sounds so awesome > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Mirela Chiochiu=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 > I just purchassed from EBay a SOny CFS6000 that I use along a PK AM loo= p... This antenna amplifies everything in induction with the set`s ferrite = bar... >=20 > It has dolby sound, FM Stereo AND AM Stereo multi-system and very clear= sound when recording, almost CD-like... Very selective in AM normal mode, = good enough for Pan-American and 5 kHz TA splits... Something that very sli= ghtly boost the selectivity is playing with the Equalizer which is somethin= g that came out of Heaven probably, it is like making a WAV sound recorder.= It has AM ST normal and AM WIDE normal, so when you have a local station 2= 0 kHz away (i.e. CJRS-1650 vs KCJJ-1630), you still can get the C-Quam thin= g on it. It is considered as being the boombox version of the Sony A100 rad= io by many fans... The platform motion is slightly lower than on the Sony S= RF-A1 walkman. However, the separation is more subtle and soothing than on = FM BECAUSE they play lots of oldies, aside from country and many early 60s = records were simply not in stereo... On CFCO-630, I got for a few seconds n= o platform motion in a difficult WPRO-WMAL null, so I can tell they`re ST, = even though I wasn`t recording then. On this particular recording the sound= is very lively, closing your eyes you see floating a synth next to a folki= sh guitar, but I`m not sure, because I DON`T KNOW WHAT`S THE LIMIT FOR GROU= NDWAVE DAYTIME C-QUAM DECODING USING SUCH A COMBO. >=20 > There were ONLY two boomboxes: the Sony CFS6000 and the Sanyo MW-250, r= ight ? I hope to write an amateurish review for the Sony CFS-6000 soon and = I`ll need some thoughts regarding the only other AM ST boomboxes ever made,= for comparing both althogether. >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: hank smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 > what rig do you have? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Mirela Chiochiu=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:13 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 > See, here it is...follow the link... It would be nice since someone her= e talked about schizo miking when I heard the voice in one channel and the = guitar the other way. Therefore, I think it`s better to listen for sure... = This time I have a sad sounding country guitar on the right and an electric= guitar or weird synth on the left... Is it real or a platform motion illus= ion ? My now trusty Sony CFS-6000 gives a stereo-like effect to all the sta= tions, including the former 940 during the last day of broadcast, yes and o= n monaural stations in stereo mode, the echo is terrible and wonderful at t= he same time and for the untrained ear it creates a stereo illusion, yes, s= ometimes I have WOR in one channel and Cuba on the other one on 710, yes Cu= ba as this gem is also a DX machine ! I hope to write a COMPLETE review the= upcoming weeks, probably the next one. >=20 > Am I the only one who experienced platform motion on monaural multimode= Sony receivers when in ST A mode ? >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu >=20 > From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:50 PM > Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /false_stereo_phasing.mp3=20 > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 > Description : A weird type of schizo-miking since WIRY-1340 is too far = and too weak at 1 kW for clear stereo, though I don`t know... I`ll leave it= up to you... Recorded around noon in Montreal using a PK loop to get some = stereo effect, not sure if real... On a forced stereo receiver with no ST p= ilot, how can you know when there is stereo on all stations, not juste WIRY= ? For how long WIRY will continue the best thing in the world from our poi= nt of view ?=20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/false_stereo_phasing.= mp3=20 >=20 > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.= htmlfiles >=20 > Regards, >=20 > bogdanchiochiu >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Mon Feb 01 10:57:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22771 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2010 18:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2010 18:57:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2010 18:57:11 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KX6004NWF2WK0V0@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:52:12 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <8ACE304B6DFB4536A93E1A61EF59DFF2@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:52:01 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=POlgQ8VJJ-wTFPGbVFjG9E_57fb4sQ1F2QwGOALAabr9wr-Uqlo81zs X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Querido Juan Paredes, si no me enga=F1o t=FA sintenizador no tendr=EDa que haber el se=F1al camin= ando...=A1 hay que rico ! =A1 Hasta luego ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: Bogdan Chiochiu=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum =20=20=20=20 =A1 H=F3la, estimado DXista ! Estoy utilizando un Sony CFS6000. =BF Porqu=E9 ? =BFPiensa usted que se t= rata de un radio demasiado viejo ? Los antiguos receptores ten=EDan m=E1s p= roblemas de este tipo que los nuevos, pero, a pezar de todo, el efecto PLAT= FORM MOTION es menos fuerte que con mi Sony SRF-A1... A mi me encanta al pl= atform motion. Me pregunto tambi=E9n si este tipo de variaci=F3n stereo-mon= o se puede encontrar con alg=FAna, a=FAn PEQUE=D1A, VERDADERA separaci=F3n.= .. Al hambre, no hay pan duro... A la necesidad de escuchar un se=F1al ester= eof=F3nico en onda media, a=FAn muy s=FAtilo, no hay verdadero obstac=FAlo.= Plattsburg es situado a alrededor de 120 al sur de Montreal y yo puedo red= ucir WMSA situada al oeste-sur-oeste bastante bien, pues como est=E1 situad= o en la misma frecuencia, a=FAn con un se=F1al pobrecito, se escucha algo m= uy d=E9bil por detr=E1s que est=E1 derrumbado a la modulaci=F3n de amplit= =FAd dentro de los 4 lados. Sorry guys, tomorrow I have a Spanish class and I only did half of my hom= ework... May the good DX be with all of you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: Is anyone who can feel during that kind of brief switch from mono t= o stereo, some kind of REAL separation, even if TINY ? This aircheck need m= ore detective work, as far as the stereo aspect of it goes, but here we are= on AMSF for that purpose, of course. From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:40 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum I guess your aircheck IS platform motion plus some kind of stereo-mono, m= ono-stereo, stereo-mono, mono-stereo, and so and on, switching. Maybe the tuner is trying desperately to give you an stereo signal but th= e conditions are so hard. Just my opinion. However, if you see it with a phase analizer, you will see how the averag= e "center" signal is travelling from the right to the left and from the lef= t to the right, and so and on, into an almost fixed cycle. Which tuner did you use? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Bogdan Chiochiu wrote: > > 40 $ since I placed the bid way too high ! >=20 > By the way, I`m using this set for tape listening, as the person who so= ld it cleaned the tape recorder part of it. The end result ? There are many= poor quality Romanian tapes that sound excellent, the sound is muffed on o= ther tape decks, almost as if the recording it`s self was lost ! But now I`= m a bit off topic, the topic isn`t airechking in general, but my WIRY airch= eck ! >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > Btw.: Still plagued with electrical noise on ALL frequencies incl. 1340= AM and even on shortwave ! But, hey, I`d rather spend some time making my = MP3s availables in tape or vice-versa :) > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: hank smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 >=20 >=20 > what did this boonbox cost on ebay? > this sounds so awesome > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Mirela Chiochiu=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 > I just purchassed from EBay a SOny CFS6000 that I use along a PK AM loo= p... This antenna amplifies everything in induction with the set`s ferrite = bar... >=20 > It has dolby sound, FM Stereo AND AM Stereo multi-system and very clear= sound when recording, almost CD-like... Very selective in AM normal mode, = good enough for Pan-American and 5 kHz TA splits... Something that very sli= ghtly boost the selectivity is playing with the Equalizer which is somethin= g that came out of Heaven probably, it is like making a WAV sound recorder.= It has AM ST normal and AM WIDE normal, so when you have a local station 2= 0 kHz away (i.e. CJRS-1650 vs KCJJ-1630), you still can get the C-Quam thin= g on it. It is considered as being the boombox version of the Sony A100 rad= io by many fans... The platform motion is slightly lower than on the Sony S= RF-A1 walkman. However, the separation is more subtle and soothing than on = FM BECAUSE they play lots of oldies, aside from country and many early 60s = records were simply not in stereo... On CFCO-630, I got for a few seconds n= o platform motion in a difficult WPRO-WMAL null, so I can tell they`re ST, = even though I wasn`t recording then. On this particular recording the sound= is very lively, closing your eyes you see floating a synth next to a folki= sh guitar, but I`m not sure, because I DON`T KNOW WHAT`S THE LIMIT FOR GROU= NDWAVE DAYTIME C-QUAM DECODING USING SUCH A COMBO. >=20 > There were ONLY two boomboxes: the Sony CFS6000 and the Sanyo MW-250, r= ight ? I hope to write an amateurish review for the Sony CFS-6000 soon and = I`ll need some thoughts regarding the only other AM ST boomboxes ever made,= for comparing both althogether. >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: hank smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 > what rig do you have? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Mirela Chiochiu=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:13 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 > See, here it is...follow the link... It would be nice since someone her= e talked about schizo miking when I heard the voice in one channel and the = guitar the other way. Therefore, I think it`s better to listen for sure... = This time I have a sad sounding country guitar on the right and an electric= guitar or weird synth on the left... Is it real or a platform motion illus= ion ? My now trusty Sony CFS-6000 gives a stereo-like effect to all the sta= tions, including the former 940 during the last day of broadcast, yes and o= n monaural stations in stereo mode, the echo is terrible and wonderful at t= he same time and for the untrained ear it creates a stereo illusion, yes, s= ometimes I have WOR in one channel and Cuba on the other one on 710, yes Cu= ba as this gem is also a DX machine ! I hope to write a COMPLETE review the= upcoming weeks, probably the next one. >=20 > Am I the only one who experienced platform motion on monaural multimode= Sony receivers when in ST A mode ? >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu >=20 > From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:50 PM > Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > group. >=20 > File : /false_stereo_phasing.mp3=20 > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 > Description : A weird type of schizo-miking since WIRY-1340 is too far = and too weak at 1 kW for clear stereo, though I don`t know... I`ll leave it= up to you... Recorded around noon in Montreal using a PK loop to get some = stereo effect, not sure if real... On a forced stereo receiver with no ST p= ilot, how can you know when there is stereo on all stations, not juste WIRY= ? For how long WIRY will continue the best thing in the world from our poi= nt of view ?=20 >=20 > You can access this file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/false_stereo_phasing.= mp3=20 >=20 > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.= htmlfiles >=20 > Regards, >=20 > bogdanchiochiu >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Feb 01 16:30:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6412 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2010 00:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2010 00:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2010 00:30:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2010 00:29:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2010 00:29:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:29:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.90.206.197 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=rFMBPqKn1Ni2txuqASl04nTH7UucXDaALf_AI1K0d4CniCslJA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I'm not sure if your tuner is too old, in relation with the platform motion= issue itself, but I guess it isn't a problem with the tuners age, only. I really think your tuner is desperately trying to give you an stereo audio= from a signal with a very, very, very hard tuning conditions. Lucky you because you still have some real C-QUAM AM Stereo signal to "catc= h". In my part of the world we don't have any today. But I get, from time to time, some false stereo light in my old Philips DC8= 88, but I know it is not an stereo signal at all. I don't know where exactly you are but, if you're near Lake Erie, you could= try to tune CFCO 630 KHZ, from Canada. According to their website, they ar= e still broadcasting in C-QUAM. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > =A1 H=F3la, estimado DXista ! >=20 > Estoy utilizando un Sony CFS6000. =BF Porqu=E9 ? =BFPiensa usted que se t= rata de un radio demasiado viejo ? Los antiguos receptores ten=EDan m=E1s p= roblemas de este tipo que los nuevos, pero, a pezar de todo, el efecto PLAT= FORM MOTION es menos fuerte que con mi Sony SRF-A1... A mi me encanta al pl= atform motion. Me pregunto tambi=E9n si este tipo de variaci=F3n stereo-mon= o se puede encontrar con alg=FAna, a=FAn PEQUE=D1A, VERDADERA separaci=F3n.= .. >=20 > Al hambre, no hay pan duro... A la necesidad de escuchar un se=F1al ester= eof=F3nico en onda media, a=FAn muy s=FAtilo, no hay verdadero obstac=FAlo.= Plattsburg es situado a alrededor de 120 al sur de Montreal y yo puedo red= ucir WMSA situada al oeste-sur-oeste bastante bien, pues como est=E1 situad= o en la misma frecuencia, a=FAn con un se=F1al pobrecito, se escucha algo m= uy d=E9bil por detr=E1s que est=E1 derrumbado a la modulaci=F3n de amplit= =FAd dentro de los 4 lados. >=20 > Sorry guys, tomorrow I have a Spanish class and I only did half of my hom= ework... >=20 > May the good DX be with all of you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > Btw.: Is anyone who can feel during that kind of brief switch from mono t= o stereo, some kind of REAL separation, even if TINY ? This aircheck need m= ore detective work, as far as the stereo aspect of it goes, but here we are= on AMSF for that purpose, of course. >=20 > From: jotape1960=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > I guess your aircheck IS platform motion plus some kind of stereo-mono,= mono-stereo, stereo-mono, mono-stereo, and so and on, switching. >=20 > Maybe the tuner is trying desperately to give you an stereo signal but = the conditions are so hard. Just my opinion. >=20 > However, if you see it with a phase analizer, you will see how the aver= age "center" signal is travelling from the right to the left and from the l= eft to the right, and so and on, into an almost fixed cycle. >=20 > Which tuner did you use? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > > > > 40 $ since I placed the bid way too high ! > >=20 > > By the way, I`m using this set for tape listening, as the person who = sold it cleaned the tape recorder part of it. The end result ? There are ma= ny poor quality Romanian tapes that sound excellent, the sound is muffed on= other tape decks, almost as if the recording it`s self was lost ! But now = I`m a bit off topic, the topic isn`t airechking in general, but my WIRY air= check ! > >=20 > > May the good DX be with you ! > > Bogdan Chiochiu > > Btw.: Still plagued with electrical noise on ALL frequencies incl. 13= 40 AM and even on shortwave ! But, hey, I`d rather spend some time making m= y MP3s availables in tape or vice-versa :) > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: hank smith=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 9:11 AM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > what did this boonbox cost on ebay? > > this sounds so awesome > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: Mirela Chiochiu=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:40 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > >=20 > > I just purchassed from EBay a SOny CFS6000 that I use along a PK AM l= oop... This antenna amplifies everything in induction with the set`s ferrit= e bar... > >=20 > > It has dolby sound, FM Stereo AND AM Stereo multi-system and very cle= ar sound when recording, almost CD-like... Very selective in AM normal mode= , good enough for Pan-American and 5 kHz TA splits... Something that very s= lightly boost the selectivity is playing with the Equalizer which is someth= ing that came out of Heaven probably, it is like making a WAV sound recorde= r. It has AM ST normal and AM WIDE normal, so when you have a local station= 20 kHz away (i.e. CJRS-1650 vs KCJJ-1630), you still can get the C-Quam th= ing on it. It is considered as being the boombox version of the Sony A100 r= adio by many fans... The platform motion is slightly lower than on the Sony= SRF-A1 walkman. However, the separation is more subtle and soothing than o= n FM BECAUSE they play lots of oldies, aside from country and many early 60= s records were simply not in stereo... On CFCO-630, I got for a few seconds= no platform motion in a difficult WPRO-WMAL null, so I can tell they`re ST= , even though I wasn`t recording then. On this particular recording the sou= nd is very lively, closing your eyes you see floating a synth next to a fol= kish guitar, but I`m not sure, because I DON`T KNOW WHAT`S THE LIMIT FOR GR= OUNDWAVE DAYTIME C-QUAM DECODING USING SUCH A COMBO. > >=20 > > There were ONLY two boomboxes: the Sony CFS6000 and the Sanyo MW-250,= right ? I hope to write an amateurish review for the Sony CFS-6000 soon an= d I`ll need some thoughts regarding the only other AM ST boomboxes ever mad= e, for comparing both althogether. > >=20 > > May the good DX be with you ! > > Bogdan > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: hank smith=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:13 PM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > >=20 > > what rig do you have? > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: Mirela Chiochiu=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:13 AM > > Subject: Re: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > >=20 > > See, here it is...follow the link... It would be nice since someone h= ere talked about schizo miking when I heard the voice in one channel and th= e guitar the other way. Therefore, I think it`s better to listen for sure..= . This time I have a sad sounding country guitar on the right and an electr= ic guitar or weird synth on the left... Is it real or a platform motion ill= usion ? My now trusty Sony CFS-6000 gives a stereo-like effect to all the s= tations, including the former 940 during the last day of broadcast, yes and= on monaural stations in stereo mode, the echo is terrible and wonderful at= the same time and for the untrained ear it creates a stereo illusion, yes,= sometimes I have WOR in one channel and Cuba on the other one on 710, yes = Cuba as this gem is also a DX machine ! I hope to write a COMPLETE review t= he upcoming weeks, probably the next one. > >=20 > > Am I the only one who experienced platform motion on monaural multimo= de Sony receivers when in ST A mode ? > >=20 > > May the good DX be with you ! > > Bogdan Chiochiu > >=20 > > From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:50 PM > > Subject: {AMSF} New file uploaded to amstereoforum > >=20 > > Hello, > >=20 > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum=20 > > group. > >=20 > > File : /false_stereo_phasing.mp3=20 > > Uploaded by : bogdanchiochiu =20 > > Description : A weird type of schizo-miking since WIRY-1340 is too fa= r and too weak at 1 kW for clear stereo, though I don`t know... I`ll leave = it up to you... Recorded around noon in Montreal using a PK loop to get som= e stereo effect, not sure if real... On a forced stereo receiver with no ST= pilot, how can you know when there is stereo on all stations, not juste WI= RY ? For how long WIRY will continue the best thing in the world from our p= oint of view ?=20 > >=20 > > You can access this file at the URL: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/false_stereo_phasin= g.mp3=20 > >=20 > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/genera= l.htmlfiles > >=20 > > Regards, > >=20 > > bogdanchiochiu > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 01 17:32:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78782 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2010 01:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2010 01:32:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2010 01:32:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47361 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2010 01:25:05 -0000 Message-ID: <303720.45893.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Thg4ElsVM1kqNoFb3PDujAVjv5_C16QTROU1XgS77z56OVk_uXQ1Se2oBXEptTziWSX.8197MJ6QGW_SBN0uZUbtTkwDUYk6MSHmZ8X603k0JYdI0MdHEKCDhpV9vFwihenNGDLXxq29xhBZ9Q9Y6m31KGHCgbadVKBHuYmGOFjsRCh94EMbYSNzIyWeWm3Oue5hl5JX6Z0288Iz7lQQbDwnJZcen7eHBkgQXX4D6f13AIY4WeGceT0ZJvjcjSelvP2Zf_0Ss6TQElulkrvppgnsirBI0RV7_ROcowZLi6hIRFYjvF6RF7JIy7q.rEXtoug4sdB0ZBgmYUXfv0zfkfgACwhvkyj5Vym8ZUluTtiNev9DlaFWJao.fT87d56SZdip08LWjMq5CESaVn2bJ9wCoqSL7hzotaSCwHUKQHfey.P2lSLMo.bm5J_M.fDAmeR_RJmKwW5XDl.F.qeL.58js8b0ZLt4r83zmreALd2Qaly3sXnoI1kYdA1V2JB8i4QBJvzsKjmaOThTLRgvbqSjHjsDMjnnAHwF5Bulwg51Ym.6uwvC1kwgt3VwyZJmYELOevaIDt9dPpaqRmO7xmC_u1nbpL4962vJoihkgkUiCexy9t_jzqybHp6HLDkHN1J4qbqOXSgSCu8NyriI1iGw8fMl0GEmA6QzdfaAXRxXAMPOQWaS5sQspljsxD.eAguhT.DJUGdEMobNsj8MA3C5Vu46lTTrUkHIUcy5VPtzrGY3slzJJd3CA.qaUvtAzA0CwQJMGrwOWG3G2GfxHQs4nRD_BnQbl0eOCVyE2GAzAVDk4pyKgodKJ2BrHjB8OYg4iaUGlm8eysTfyXva4n8ybtrxCYDP6iKU2tXfcTEiXRjqXhp4.SIn1RNEWH8PiULe6ttcKlx27fuBcsQmlXFUM7GE9mcVkLypF0lVDg6aStKYTDwmDMgWyZvrVkbbZTj8wrKAm8Ozct1PE2lu8c7v_MBRWUnICbJ5MYf9ZXZIcUwk7dkHAT7xRtzRCnvvEZlQzfF319qEcCkqAroar6Sm3B.ETqnrABcxSiwbafuvbsBfJ9kqwCJ.ANKu8OPeM9oVWPtDwC5ppBd.T11Qw0ZS1XdjrdddCxrlyvLmaoqSw4s1bjmLaTMuGhTaCt.c9pQVplNBrDItEg97qjHzOl1I0vAZ2_.N7K9EHFrHhq4HNAmRk4oeZ3GcYpVG8KKCA3L0aCXx58W_L.JMvZcTMS6kWgcVvW.woDkLKsiWY3wSbVU88vI- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:25:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:25:05 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=7jJT26zPqltNNBuAPQ_7Ct8G6-8KoPNWdzNMFVWrTsSDGA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thinking back, I don't remember platform motion being much of a problem wit= h the=C2=A0Sony SRF-A100. On weaker signals, maybe a little, but all in all= , pretty stable.Of course, things were a LOT quieter back then, no IBOC, fe= wer computers, lower noise-floor in general, and that radio did not decode = the C-QUAM in the usual (Motorola) way.=C2=A0The decoder was basically a Ma= gnavox type, L+R=3DAM, L-R=3DPM, and I recall Motorola not being too happy = about Sony's "incorrect method" of decoding C-QUAM, hah-hah!=C2=A0Strangely= , I don't recall Kahn or Harris complaining...hmm.... All that said, on MONAURAL signals, yes, there was a bit of "swirling" arou= nd, or "platform motion" for previously discussed reasons. =C2=A0Oddly, tha= t is one of the effects I kinda liked on the SRF-A100, what one old ham ope= rator friend called "3-D interference". I sorely miss that radio, I sold it= to a friend when I was laid off, but with the understanding that when HE w= ants to sell it, I get first chance at it! =C2=A0All I have for C-QUAM righ= t now is an SRF-42, but it needs a bit of TLC before going back to work. Keep catching those waves! G=C2=A0 --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: {AMSF} platform motion To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 7:06 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hello again ! I wonder if anyone else experienced platform motion on the SONY A100 or the= SONY CFS6000 when using this multimode receiver in AM ST A mode... How do = you find it ? It sounds like a trip to LA RONDE (for those who know this Mo= ntreal area party speed center`- I don`t know how to translate f=C3=AAte fo= rraine otherwise). May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Feb 02 08:10:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46958 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2010 16:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2010 16:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2010 16:10:18 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFYSVUMA59MNZJ for (sender ); Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:09:47 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD7FiPNghMbqzPOOBy23qp/Q= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P5SD5MFN; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:09:00 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.143] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:08:36 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:08:36 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100202.080836.4992.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 1757 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:2665432752 X-MAIL-INFO:26555564cdfdfd41fd195101e451a0e031d1799150d46dd0f9249dc0ddc4d96444 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Radio Today Industry News - UK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=9QBMXlz7-I478hAc9xqM1hed8X3NVstqJ9ie93DjVw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Radio Today Industry News - reports: Radio exchange scheme planned In an effort to persuade listeners to go digital, Digital Radio UK wants to= offer a radio exchange scheme. Consumers will be able to swap an analogue radio for a discount on a new di= gital radio, with old sets going to a good cause. The government=92s 2015 target switch-off date for FM is increasingly regar= ded as unrealistic by the industry. An exchange scheme would help boost the= number of digital sets in Britain=92s homes, which currently sits at aroun= d 10.5m compared to the estimated 100m analogue radios in use. A Digital Radio UK spokeswoman told Radio Today "Digital Radio is working w= ith broadcasters, manufacturers and retailers ... to drive digital radio ta= ke-up. One of the ideas under review is a scheme whereby consumers will rec= eive a discount on a new digital set in exchange for their analogue set ...= No decisions or commitment has been made yet as further details will be av= ailable as the projects progress." Commenting on the story, a senior industry source told Radio Today that he = believes today=92s announcement is =93a good idea in principle but like mos= t things in radio right now, the PR is better than the reality. FM owners w= ill only get involved with this provided ALL new DAB radio's have both FM a= nd DAB within their sets. FM is still a good solid platform and while DAB i= s good for many it is not good for all.=94 In recent weeks, Digital Radio UK, the body tasked with preparing the UK to= go digital, has demonstrated they may agree by announcing they are working= with key manufacturers for an integrated station list, which tunes seamles= sly between broadcasters on FM and Digital. =20 From w6yn@juno.com Tue Feb 02 08:27:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42220 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2010 16:27:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2010 16:27:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2010 16:27:45 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail04.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.144]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFYSWU3AE3MSBJ for (sender ); Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:27:05 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD3+yXa0UqbLDyc1SGw2uJZs= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail04.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P5SE5KZJ; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:26:27 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.143] by webmail04.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:26:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:26:12 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100202.082612.4992.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 876 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:372571927 X-MAIL-INFO:350e03379713cafa23af9a9ab7db4adf8a6a1acb9a5bea4aea1e6393eaea5b1e0f6b0f8ece274beaee6e X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.144|webmail04.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: The adult standards radio format newsletter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=wWguGdX-st7I6MwzdKiYGpiQm9YrjzjDIhyw3XvmkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn The adult standards radio format =96 the version that accepts current artis= ts like Michael Buble' =96 is getting its own monthly newsletter.=20 Chicago-based Continental Entertainment Group says the new Adult Standards = Radio News will =93feature industry news, programming discussions, new musi= c releases and artist news and features.=94 And starting in March or April,= a monthly airplay chart based on data from Mediaguide=92s MusicMonitor sys= tem.=20 Editor Skip Wadsworth says =93for years this format has been neglected, but= it really is a growing one.=94=20 He aims to =93unite a fragmented market and help these stations realize the= y are not alone and there is a wonderful opportunity in front of them.=94=20 ASRN will be free.=20 Subscribe with an email to news@continentalentertainmentgroup.com with the = word =93subscribe=94 in the subject line. From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 02 12:09:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15249 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2010 20:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2010 20:09:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2010 20:09:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2010 20:08:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2010 20:08:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:08:06 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <303720.45893.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.90.207.118 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=asCk5PZ_qWfwSQeOlLkUNNTVHoDZFL-DJjuPin2IcqyNKbX4XA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Just a question (excuse my ignorance): Is there some relation between the station kind of antenna and the platform= motion phenomenon? I mean, when we tune in DX mode and if the station uses a directional array= and/or some phasor system, Is it more relevant to the final platform motio= n effect? Or, the platform motion is an inside the tuner issue only? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Thinking back, I don't remember platform motion being much of a problem w= ith the=C2=A0Sony SRF-A100. On weaker signals, maybe a little, but all in a= ll, pretty stable.Of course, things were a LOT quieter back then, no IBOC, = fewer computers, lower noise-floor in general, and that radio did not decod= e the C-QUAM in the usual (Motorola) way.=C2=A0The decoder was basically a = Magnavox type, L+R=3DAM, L-R=3DPM, and I recall Motorola not being too happ= y about Sony's "incorrect method" of decoding C-QUAM, hah-hah!=C2=A0Strange= ly, I don't recall Kahn or Harris complaining...hmm.... > All that said, on MONAURAL signals, yes, there was a bit of "swirling" ar= ound, or "platform motion" for previously discussed reasons. =C2=A0Oddly, t= hat is one of the effects I kinda liked on the SRF-A100, what one old ham o= perator friend called "3-D interference". I sorely miss that radio, I sold = it to a friend when I was laid off, but with the understanding that when HE= wants to sell it, I get first chance at it! =C2=A0All I have for C-QUAM ri= ght now is an SRF-42, but it needs a bit of TLC before going back to work. > Keep catching those waves! > G=C2=A0 > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: >=20 > From: Mirela Chiochiu > Subject: {AMSF} platform motion > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 7:06 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > Hello again ! >=20 >=20 >=20 > I wonder if anyone else experienced platform motion on the SONY A100 or t= he SONY CFS6000 when using this multimode receiver in AM ST A mode... How d= o you find it ? It sounds like a trip to LA RONDE (for those who know this = Montreal area party speed center`- I don`t know how to translate f=C3=AAte = forraine otherwise). >=20 >=20 >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! >=20 > Bogdan Chiochiu >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Feb 02 12:26:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55034 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2010 20:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2010 20:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f195.google.com) (209.85.210.195) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2010 20:26:44 -0000 X-Received: by yxe33 with SMTP id 33so482498yxe.0 for ; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:26:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.169.6 with SMTP id w6mr5213717ano.178.1265142403352; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:26:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.10? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm2295953ywh.48.2010.02.02.12.26.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:26:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B688A81.3020002@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:26:41 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=mg1wqfdJFiZNipS_HiBg4NPphIbpcAZBUlYftl_B0yqQP_X6XPsMs3ut9RRCFw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > Is there some relation between the station kind of antenna and the platform motion phenomenon? > YES! Directional arrays can cause Phase Distortions that can cause platform motion as you drive through them. Antenna height can also affect selective fading and platform motion as the signal fades. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 02 14:11:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84421 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2010 22:11:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2010 22:11:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2010 22:11:52 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o12MBekH014853 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:11:42 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c48.55a839a8 (37046) for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:11:35 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.103]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB034-b2d14b68a2fc1ac; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:11:34 -0500 X-Received: from magic-m01.mail.aol.com (magic-m01.mail.aol.com [172.21.172.72]) by smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME028-b2d14b68a2fc1ac; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:11:08 -0500 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:11:08 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.172.72 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=buPNrleNmTjA4l_1fpWP5rJAxcmo1VzdD3Siro4W50Fzq5txvdOJ7pqYYYNLXTpp X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, Platform motion arises from unintended medium duration phase modulation of the incoming signal. This phase modulation typically occurs from shifts in the propagation path due to atomospheric conditions in the reflecting layer of the ionosphere. When the phase of the incoming signal shift faster than the locked oscillator can tract it, platform motion occurs. The kind of antenna a station uses does effect platform motion which typically occurs during fading as the ionosphere is changing. That is why skywave is not stable, even in mono AM reception. Clear channel stations which have the frequency protection and power to permit effective skywave coverage at night often used what is referred to as "anti-fade" masts and towers. The simplest anti-fade tower is a half-wave vertical radiator. Because of its height, the angle of radiation is low so the skywave does not return to Earth until the groundwave miniscule. There are more complicated sectionalized masts with or without capacity hats that alter the current distribution in the mast to minimize fading. An example would be WHO in Des Moines. Platform motion is a phenomenon associated with skywave reception. Ordinarily, the groundwave path is stable enough that is is not a problem. Close into directional arrays all sorts of bad things occurs especially along lines of null. The array may null pretty effectively at a carrier frequency of 600 khz, but not so perfect at the wavelength of the AM sidebands. So you have sidebands without an adequate carrier. The degree to which the sidebands are reduced are inversely proportional to the modulating audio frequency which creates some odd effects. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Feb 02 14:16:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59091 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2010 22:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2010 22:16:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f209.google.com) (209.85.220.209) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2010 22:16:06 -0000 X-Received: by fxm1 with SMTP id 1so673778fxm.4 for ; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:16:05 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.223.65.12 with SMTP id g12mr534531fai.69.1265148965699; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:16:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm2823716fxm.11.2010.02.02.14.16.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:16:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5A998D810EFD469DA48D3DCF8B2B8E27@mygateway> To: References: <20100202.080836.4992.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 15:15:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.209 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Radio Today Industry News - UK X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=AWrHvK2jd0GICPFVe12WBC3hjEXj8e-XwHRSX7kIf5w_0noyRxBR X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what good cause would the analog sets go to sense there is no stuff left? am confused ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:08 AM Subject: {AMSF} Radio Today Industry News - UK Radio Today Industry News - reports: Radio exchange scheme planned In an effort to persuade listeners to go digital, Digital Radio UK wants to offer a radio exchange scheme. Consumers will be able to swap an analogue radio for a discount on a new digital radio, with old sets going to a good cause. The government's 2015 target switch-off date for FM is increasingly regarded as unrealistic by the industry. An exchange scheme would help boost the number of digital sets in Britain's homes, which currently sits at around 10.5m compared to the estimated 100m analogue radios in use. A Digital Radio UK spokeswoman told Radio Today "Digital Radio is working with broadcasters, manufacturers and retailers ... to drive digital radio take-up. One of the ideas under review is a scheme whereby consumers will receive a discount on a new digital set in exchange for their analogue set ... No decisions or commitment has been made yet as further details will be available as the projects progress." Commenting on the story, a senior industry source told Radio Today that he believes today's announcement is "a good idea in principle but like most things in radio right now, the PR is better than the reality. FM owners will only get involved with this provided ALL new DAB radio's have both FM and DAB within their sets. FM is still a good solid platform and while DAB is good for many it is not good for all." In recent weeks, Digital Radio UK, the body tasked with preparing the UK to go digital, has demonstrated they may agree by announcing they are working with key manufacturers for an integrated station list, which tunes seamlessly between broadcasters on FM and Digital. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 02 20:17:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39283 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2010 04:17:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2010 04:17:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2010 04:17:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2010 04:17:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2010 04:17:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:17:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.220 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=dpnDJX-BQPVgYQPqwBLEWH4Rl3TsJfM0Oyh_-UOgKI_kV2_Txg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Thank you so much for your complete information!!! Now I know C-QUAM AM Stereo is weak under very hard conditions (skywaves, e= tc.) and this is another reason to vote ISB (Kahn), Hahahahahaha!!! At least, SSB, DSB (no carrier) and ISB can be used in SW and MW, in DX mod= e, with no platform motion and less artifacts in front of the natural fadin= g. Does someone have the technical reason why the original Kahn ISB had proble= ms with the stereo separation above 5 kHz? I guess today we could have ISB = without that problem but I don't know the exact reason about the original p= roblem. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > Platform motion arises from unintended medium duration phase modulation o= f=20 > the incoming signal. This phase modulation typically occurs from shifts= in=20 > the propagation path due to atomospheric conditions in the reflecting lay= er=20 > of the ionosphere. When the phase of the incoming signal shift faster th= an=20 > the locked oscillator can tract it, platform motion occurs.=20=20 >=20 > The kind of antenna a station uses does effect platform motion which=20 > typically occurs during fading as the ionosphere is changing. That is w= hy=20 > skywave is not stable, even in mono AM reception. Clear channel stations= which=20 > have the frequency protection and power to permit effective skywave cover= age=20 > at night often used what is referred to as "anti-fade" masts and towers. = The=20 > simplest anti-fade tower is a half-wave vertical radiator. Because of it= s=20 > height, the angle of radiation is low so the skywave does not return to=20 > Earth until the groundwave miniscule. There are more complicated section= alized=20 > masts with or without capacity hats that alter the current distribution i= n=20 > the mast to minimize fading. An example would be WHO in Des Moines. >=20 > Platform motion is a phenomenon associated with skywave reception.=20=20 > Ordinarily, the groundwave path is stable enough that is is not a problem= . Close=20 > into directional arrays all sorts of bad things occurs especially along l= ines=20 > of null. The array may null pretty effectively at a carrier frequency of= =20 > 600 khz, but not so perfect at the wavelength of the AM sidebands. So yo= u=20 > have sidebands without an adequate carrier. The degree to which the side= bands=20 > are reduced are inversely proportional to the modulating audio frequency= =20 > which creates some odd effects. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Feb 03 01:06:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99677 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2010 09:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2010 09:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f218.google.com) (209.85.217.218) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2010 09:06:53 -0000 X-Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so983038gxk.3 for ; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:06:53 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.145.5 with SMTP id x5mr9451642ann.142.1265187619218; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:00:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 35sm2418258yxh.15.2010.02.03.01.00.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:00:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:00:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=EL-YFReIbQ6Ri0g-_oNlhcW4zxw24W4LsFLQYJhqEAgD7oQQkcRu X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable also what type of stereo gives the most fading under eg sw? I would love to here the swurling all around, and around, and around, and a= round. seriously this is a cool effect. what am stereo does this? also has any one tried recreating the effect with sound editer, eg sound fo= rge? Hank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion =20=20=20=20 Hi Gang!!! Thank you so much for your complete information!!! Now I know C-QUAM AM Stereo is weak under very hard conditions (skywaves,= etc.) and this is another reason to vote ISB (Kahn), Hahahahahaha!!! At least, SSB, DSB (no carrier) and ISB can be used in SW and MW, in DX m= ode, with no platform motion and less artifacts in front of the natural fad= ing. Does someone have the technical reason why the original Kahn ISB had prob= lems with the stereo separation above 5 kHz? I guess today we could have IS= B without that problem but I don't know the exact reason about the original= problem. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > Platform motion arises from unintended medium duration phase modulation= of=20 > the incoming signal. This phase modulation typically occurs from shifts= in=20 > the propagation path due to atomospheric conditions in the reflecting l= ayer=20 > of the ionosphere. When the phase of the incoming signal shift faster t= han=20 > the locked oscillator can tract it, platform motion occurs.=20 >=20 > The kind of antenna a station uses does effect platform motion which=20 > typically occurs during fading as the ionosphere is changing. That is w= hy=20 > skywave is not stable, even in mono AM reception. Clear channel station= s which=20 > have the frequency protection and power to permit effective skywave cov= erage=20 > at night often used what is referred to as "anti-fade" masts and towers= . The=20 > simplest anti-fade tower is a half-wave vertical radiator. Because of i= ts=20 > height, the angle of radiation is low so the skywave does not return to= =20 > Earth until the groundwave miniscule. There are more complicated sectio= nalized=20 > masts with or without capacity hats that alter the current distribution= in=20 > the mast to minimize fading. An example would be WHO in Des Moines. >=20 > Platform motion is a phenomenon associated with skywave reception.=20 > Ordinarily, the groundwave path is stable enough that is is not a probl= em. Close=20 > into directional arrays all sorts of bad things occurs especially along= lines=20 > of null. The array may null pretty effectively at a carrier frequency o= f=20 > 600 khz, but not so perfect at the wavelength of the AM sidebands. So y= ou=20 > have sidebands without an adequate carrier. The degree to which the sid= ebands=20 > are reduced are inversely proportional to the modulating audio frequenc= y=20 > which creates some odd effects. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 03 01:26:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48261 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2010 09:26:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2010 09:26:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2010 09:26:41 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o139QZHP031388 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 04:26:35 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.be4.6f0dbd93 (43895) for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 04:26:34 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.168]) by cia-dc05.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC058-b22e4b69413e1ea; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:26:30 -0500 X-Received: from magic-m05.mail.aol.com (magic-m05.mail.aol.com [172.21.172.76]) by smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE013-b22e4b69413e1ea; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:26:22 -0500 Message-ID: <903.29e5914d.389a9b3e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 04:26:22 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.172.76 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=4xD2mM6rH2yZcbPot-mC9zCzvJxpqVStjJ_d8I10SuIdtCD1Por-4RwUQgrzrnWE X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, I believe C-QUAM can be used on SW as well as anything else. It's only MY CQUAM transmitter that is limited to MW and low band SW. That is because the signal is directly digitally synthesized and it is limited by the speed the hardware can run at. CQUAM, ISB, SSB, DSB-suppressed carrier, would all be subject to similar problems. All rely on a local locked oscillator to re-insert a carrier at the receiving end. If the oscillator can't track the incoming signal because it is shifting in phase, everyone of these systems will have a problem. Maybe not platform motion, but straight out distortion. I am not certain what the advantage was of Motorola's CQUAM system over say straight L+R amplitude modulation with L-R phase modulation. In hardware, which was what the original system used, it is a cumbersome and involved affair to generate or decode the CQUAM signal. It was not practical without the specialized ICs Motorola manufactured. With that said, there is probably more Motorola C-QUAM equipment around than anything else. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 03 01:30:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77632 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2010 09:30:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2010 09:30:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2010 09:30:25 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o139UP6B013070 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 04:30:25 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.cc7.6b99c51b (44952) for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 04:30:21 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.154]) by cia-mc02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC023-d41a4b69422a1b2; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:30:20 -0500 X-Received: from magic-m05.mail.aol.com (magic-m05.mail.aol.com [172.21.172.76]) by smtprly-md01.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMD018-d41a4b69422a1b2; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:30:18 -0500 Message-ID: <970.368ec246.389a9c2a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 04:30:18 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.172.76 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=sJYsh0miE25zV-X1IsKyjle05pBoWZWvZFQmsI43bhTuHU0SsBRcFozouYmaZQrh X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/3/2010 3:07:00 AM Central Standard Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > also what type of stereo gives the most fading under > eg sw? > I would love to here the swurling all around, and around, and around, and > around. > seriously this is a cool effect. > CQUAM does that for sure. Aside from the STEREO indicator, that is how one really knows WLS is stereo. I understand certain mushrooms can produce a similar effect on ordinary mono AM. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Feb 03 01:45:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 19541 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2010 09:45:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2010 09:45:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f175.google.com) (209.85.211.175) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2010 09:45:05 -0000 X-Received: by ywh5 with SMTP id 5so1988736ywh.11 for ; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:43:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.117.30 with SMTP id p30mr10508415ybc.67.1265190222411; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:43:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm2438270yxe.0.2010.02.03.01.43.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:43:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: <903.29e5914d.389a9b3e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:43:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.175 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=YK2E1XgrbOdFXKLg4XjrgMnohbmqTfmhuP6krAjKp87_q8Gm-VEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello what transmitter do you have? and what freqs on low band lw can you transmit in? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:26 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion Juan, I believe C-QUAM can be used on SW as well as anything else. It's only MY CQUAM transmitter that is limited to MW and low band SW. That is because the signal is directly digitally synthesized and it is limited by the speed the hardware can run at. CQUAM, ISB, SSB, DSB-suppressed carrier, would all be subject to similar problems. All rely on a local locked oscillator to re-insert a carrier at the receiving end. If the oscillator can't track the incoming signal because it is shifting in phase, everyone of these systems will have a problem. Maybe not platform motion, but straight out distortion. I am not certain what the advantage was of Motorola's CQUAM system over say straight L+R amplitude modulation with L-R phase modulation. In hardware, which was what the original system used, it is a cumbersome and involved affair to generate or decode the CQUAM signal. It was not practical without the specialized ICs Motorola manufactured. With that said, there is probably more Motorola C-QUAM equipment around than anything else. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Feb 03 01:46:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88527 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2010 09:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2010 09:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f192.google.com) (209.85.210.192) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2010 09:46:01 -0000 X-Received: by yxe30 with SMTP id 30so895984yxe.25 for ; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:46:00 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.89.20 with SMTP id r20mr10121652ybl.311.1265190360568; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:46:00 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 36sm2438954yxh.67.2010.02.03.01.45.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:45:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <417D15A18D8941FFA83018171670EB0A@mygateway> To: References: <970.368ec246.389a9c2a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 02:45:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.192 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=wche62v0IqBH95sVEkYaO2CCn6fzpLJ4mgW_W49TAKz_qrlpuJVZ X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it is true I have heard it myself can any one record coasttocoast am off of wls with the fading effect I would love to hear that say like 15 minutes of the show from 10:00 pm to 10:15 pm pst when the live hour starts I can't pull that from down here in az Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:30 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion In a message dated 2/3/2010 3:07:00 AM Central Standard Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > also what type of stereo gives the most fading under > eg sw? > I would love to here the swurling all around, and around, and around, and > around. > seriously this is a cool effect. > CQUAM does that for sure. Aside from the STEREO indicator, that is how one really knows WLS is stereo. I understand certain mushrooms can produce a similar effect on ordinary mono AM. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 03 03:06:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65862 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2010 11:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2010 11:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2010 11:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o13B6KV5018412 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:06:20 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.cf0.71e57a5e (55761) for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:06:19 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.169]) by cia-md05.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD052-b2344b6958a5138; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:06:16 -0500 X-Received: from magic-d12.mail.aol.com (magic-d12.mail.aol.com [172.19.187.157]) by smtprly-de02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE021-b2344b6958a5138; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:06:13 -0500 Message-ID: <163b.5d8778e3.389ab2a5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:06:13 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.187.157 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=r3hp3BzWPiuht9UeVSBnfQPwVkRd2JPDySYG044h1qcvGwhWcaZgvDWm6WvOy1Qg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, I can put out 1 kW with 10-bit audio up to 2.0 Mhz. I can put out the same power at up to 8 Mhz with 8-bit audio. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Feb 03 03:11:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23172 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2010 11:11:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2010 11:11:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2010 11:11:43 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o13BBPx1029892 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:11:25 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bfa.599489e6 (37048) for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:11:24 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.170]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB036-b28a4b6959d0206; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:11:24 -0500 X-Received: from magic-d12.mail.aol.com (magic-d12.mail.aol.com [172.19.187.157]) by smtprly-de03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE038-b28a4b6959d0206; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:11:12 -0500 Message-ID: <16f0.59079e15.389ab3cf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 06:11:11 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.187.157 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=vJnZhQVsU7iIxmtSYpJrZW0qrrZFcreFI9TP7PCtxrUG-OgIh1IsKRyZXvOffCvN X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, There was a time when the Mighty Eight Ninty could be heard in Gallup, N.M. on a car radio. I am now about 700 miles from the Windy City. I can see if there isn't some way of recording from the Roadmaster's speakers. I think the Delco uses bridge amplifiers, so I may need to find a transformer somewhere. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Feb 03 17:53:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32692 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2010 01:52:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2010 01:52:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f212.google.com) (209.85.217.212) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2010 01:52:59 -0000 X-Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so649934gxk.5 for ; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:52:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.10.5 with SMTP id n5mr595243ani.21.1265248378444; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:52:58 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm2750214ywh.32.2010.02.03.17.52.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:52:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <0AA6117AA14240FD803C6671DF7F88D9@mygateway> To: References: <163b.5d8778e3.389ab2a5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:52:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=MiCtzv1YRCqCYSpqTWWX5Zpq3PO4bI1xA2J0Hnhr6y_2sGyZV-og X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello what transmitter do you use, ans where did you get it from? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:06 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion Hank, I can put out 1 kW with 10-bit audio up to 2.0 Mhz. I can put out the same power at up to 8 Mhz with 8-bit audio. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Feb 03 17:53:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59699 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2010 01:52:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2010 01:52:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2010 01:52:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 94707 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2010 01:52:58 -0000 Message-ID: <418484.94465.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qLyZ46gVM1mXfkdUaJcMkhDGIiO56q2L2ye_lH3cybujFLHl9PjZaq5.CIHrEuuTN9uW5kOh_OHE9PKjJmfpSI6FtzziZbhKxN6HHY_EOGvSNU6Cyi4Ln6odYhtH5VbHBDe7Y6AXLjWBSaD5f.akGA5y_BrR0rnxcYUIq0wFm1_wOsN8K6t9VBMpAOR6TjF_asBuZcrYXh1FIA8ZFsXr7pN98TlP5xR8t63aoANdQADJfwL4es_9UHqUs2d5nmEnwSUxTWjShu1LIqohDP_S6wF3JWNOwgPmkmgyh.pjRvJ0ox.O2fl4V8Bj5xDcEc6eb2n45umV9RXkdeJ8LiD5V55HAQD052Ih6T.9M2r5hgBhDz5AlrqeYgSMzV4C76kapWJ1hmyM0BkXFelT_4io7IWvYhn4tEfEpdk9Uc602o71Yy3YJY_oOE5NoZr9XODQEmwz5a51XiH.ecoNPBJFmzeOO1BSnVJMid69LCLJl.tVrA9dDRusW16nIcbvvFfrVw4SYn88Vj5kJNhT0n3nUVsPHUtz9SxUzTcza.6rcoSb6WuT0xCtuRzEBGLwhQdqJB4lcmIXvgMCvEb_K8kmpL3tAslvcgNfPyKu3e6KvdiEoWQDYZXj_DaFrJfsa3gfaKAcEX_Z6ufeFJVtyYfciJZDNjlEU0uHmMh9.kdxZVewUziLgIXF3xZTVwMf3t9DCKzRrBdeDBVlfl2VoD1NcpauexN4Pr5cYjWSPMMmSHxEOHJsYU7Iucbr3GdPQ51qAW0d.peEdgA3WP7CNK4YiwhLNpF1n8D. X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:52:58 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:52:58 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=xTnA7wXboIx6KjjU-ISU4PsSPDYLFyeAJZjVqn7eqeCksw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The swirling effect can occur on ANY C-QUAM receiver, but is a lot easier t= o catch with one that is in "forced stereo" mode. =C2=A0That way, even when= the primary signal is MONO, the others will "swirl". =C2=A0As an alternati= ve, you could get to the decoder chip in most radios, there is a way to put= it in "forced stereo" mode with a simple grounding or jumping of a pin on = the chip, but I have long forgotten what pin it is...check the Motorola dat= a sheet for your chip.G=C2=A0 --- On Wed, 2/3/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 4:00 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 also what type of stereo gives the most fading under eg sw? I would love to here the swurling all around, and around, and around, and a= round. seriously this is a cool effect. what am stereo does this? also has any one tried recreating the effect with sound editer, eg sound fo= rge? Hank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion Hi Gang!!! Thank you so much for your complete information! !! Now I know C-QUAM AM Stereo is weak under very hard conditions (skywaves, e= tc.) and this is another reason to vote ISB (Kahn), Hahahahahaha! !! At least, SSB, DSB (no carrier) and ISB can be used in SW and MW, in DX mod= e, with no platform motion and less artifacts in front of the natural fadin= g. Does someone have the technical reason why the original Kahn ISB had proble= ms with the stereo separation above 5 kHz? I guess today we could have ISB = without that problem but I don't know the exact reason about the original p= roblem. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > Platform motion arises from unintended medium duration phase modulation= of=20 > the incoming signal. This phase modulation typically occurs from shifts= in=20 > the propagation path due to atomospheric conditions in the reflecting l= ayer=20 > of the ionosphere. When the phase of the incoming signal shift faster t= han=20 > the locked oscillator can tract it, platform motion occurs.=20 >=20 > The kind of antenna a station uses does effect platform motion which=20 > typically occurs during fading as the ionosphere is changing. That is w= hy=20 > skywave is not stable, even in mono AM reception. Clear channel station= s which=20 > have the frequency protection and power to permit effective skywave cov= erage=20 > at night often used what is referred to as "anti-fade" masts and towers= . The=20 > simplest anti-fade tower is a half-wave vertical radiator. Because of i= ts=20 > height, the angle of radiation is low so the skywave does not return to= =20 > Earth until the groundwave miniscule. There are more complicated sectio= nalized=20 > masts with or without capacity hats that alter the current distribution= in=20 > the mast to minimize fading. An example would be WHO in Des Moines. >=20 > Platform motion is a phenomenon associated with skywave reception.=20 > Ordinarily, the groundwave path is stable enough that is is not a probl= em. Close=20 > into directional arrays all sorts of bad things occurs especially along= lines=20 > of null. The array may null pretty effectively at a carrier frequency o= f=20 > 600 khz, but not so perfect at the wavelength of the AM sidebands. So y= ou=20 > have sidebands without an adequate carrier. The degree to which the sid= ebands=20 > are reduced are inversely proportional to the modulating audio frequenc= y=20 > which creates some odd effects. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Feb 03 17:54:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47685 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2010 01:54:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2010 01:54:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f177.google.com) (209.85.210.177) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2010 01:54:04 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yx0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 7so1640831yxe.10 for ; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:54:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.24.20 with SMTP id 20mr528099anx.132.1265248444332; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:54:04 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2748017ywf.55.2010.02.03.17.54.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:54:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6796800FE53E484282C4D359954F7129@mygateway> To: References: <16f0.59079e15.389ab3cf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:53:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=crvmiXMi-AI7Py_ABYkbwJRx6nwkPdcWKgU7SWxYGn0vSYy5n9_K X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cool please keep me posted please Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:11 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion Hank, There was a time when the Mighty Eight Ninty could be heard in Gallup, N.M. on a car radio. I am now about 700 miles from the Windy City. I can see if there isn't some way of recording from the Roadmaster's speakers. I think the Delco uses bridge amplifiers, so I may need to find a transformer somewhere. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Wed Feb 03 18:39:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52313 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2010 02:39:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2010 02:39:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f173.google.com) (209.85.211.173) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2010 02:39:32 -0000 X-Received: by ywh3 with SMTP id 3so1885954ywh.22 for ; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:39:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.222.5 with SMTP id u5mr464855ang.247.1265251158430; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:39:18 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 35sm2716777yxh.15.2010.02.03.18.39.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:39:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8E1DF791F9F74FF485D7F2A1FCF3330C@mygateway> To: References: <418484.94465.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:39:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.173 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=-zReFriwi7vsRKmLjjjN1wHMe6nD5zcp2ewIfd-uau4wzP4Am9Xf X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my kit was home built I purchased it online I forget the dudes website ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:52 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion =20=20=20=20 The swirling effect can occur on ANY C-QUAM receiver, but is a lot easier= to catch with one that is in "forced stereo" mode. That way, even when th= e primary signal is MONO, the others will "swirl". As an alternative, you = could get to the decoder chip in most radios, there is a way to put it in "= forced stereo" mode with a simple grounding or jumping of a pin on the chip= , but I have long forgotten what pin it is...check the Motorola data sheet = for your chip.G=20 --- On Wed, 2/3/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 4:00 AM =20=20=20 also what type of stereo gives the most fading under eg sw? I would love to here the swurling all around, and around, and around, and= around. seriously this is a cool effect. what am stereo does this? also has any one tried recreating the effect with sound editer, eg sound = forge? Hank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} platform motion Hi Gang!!! Thank you so much for your complete information! !! Now I know C-QUAM AM Stereo is weak under very hard conditions (skywaves,= etc.) and this is another reason to vote ISB (Kahn), Hahahahahaha! !! At least, SSB, DSB (no carrier) and ISB can be used in SW and MW, in DX m= ode, with no platform motion and less artifacts in front of the natural fad= ing. Does someone have the technical reason why the original Kahn ISB had prob= lems with the stereo separation above 5 kHz? I guess today we could have IS= B without that problem but I don't know the exact reason about the original= problem. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Juan, >=20 > Platform motion arises from unintended medium duration phase modulation= of=20 > the incoming signal. This phase modulation typically occurs from shifts= in=20 > the propagation path due to atomospheric conditions in the reflecting l= ayer=20 > of the ionosphere. When the phase of the incoming signal shift faster t= han=20 > the locked oscillator can tract it, platform motion occurs.=20 >=20 > The kind of antenna a station uses does effect platform motion which=20 > typically occurs during fading as the ionosphere is changing. That is w= hy=20 > skywave is not stable, even in mono AM reception. Clear channel station= s which=20 > have the frequency protection and power to permit effective skywave cov= erage=20 > at night often used what is referred to as "anti-fade" masts and towers= . The=20 > simplest anti-fade tower is a half-wave vertical radiator. Because of i= ts=20 > height, the angle of radiation is low so the skywave does not return to= =20 > Earth until the groundwave miniscule. There are more complicated sectio= nalized=20 > masts with or without capacity hats that alter the current distribution= in=20 > the mast to minimize fading. An example would be WHO in Des Moines. >=20 > Platform motion is a phenomenon associated with skywave reception.=20 > Ordinarily, the groundwave path is stable enough that is is not a probl= em. Close=20 > into directional arrays all sorts of bad things occurs especially along= lines=20 > of null. The array may null pretty effectively at a carrier frequency o= f=20 > 600 khz, but not so perfect at the wavelength of the AM sidebands. So y= ou=20 > have sidebands without an adequate carrier. The degree to which the sid= ebands=20 > are reduced are inversely proportional to the modulating audio frequenc= y=20 > which creates some odd effects. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From awhichello@ieee.org Thu Feb 04 01:59:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: whichello@velocitynet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51569 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2010 09:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2010 09:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO m0.velocity.net.au) (203.17.154.50) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2010 09:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.2] (152.202.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au [122.49.202.152]) by m0.velocity.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B9C601CF for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:59:43 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <4B6A9AA6.2060105@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:00:06 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1265274235.431.57791.m2@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1265274235.431.57791.m2@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 203.17.154.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: apw From: apw Reply-To: awhichello@ieee.org Subject: Redsun AM stereo receiver mod (was Re: platform motion) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270944425; y=I5G4llzbCtapzz_kZS_AeiV2Lv5mtDfou9s9Lv1Uw8qpkA X-Yahoo-Profile: apw3642 > 1k. Re: platform motion > Posted by: "hank smith" hanksmith5@gmail.com alive4jesus1 > Date: Wed Feb 3, 2010 6:39 pm ((PST)) > > my kit was home built I purchased it online I forget the dudes website I got a MC13028a based stereo decoder board from http://meduci.com/ (amstereo@meduci.com). $25 usd plus postage. Wired it to the AM IF output on a Redsun 2100. Worked straight away. Gave better fidelity than the radio's normal AM output, even on the radio's "wide" setting and in stereo, of course (for the few stations left out there that transmit AM stereo). I also soldered a red led to the decoder board to show when a stereo pilot was received. Very pleased with my modification. Thought I'd have to widen the ceramic filter response, but they were fine as is. There must be some more low pass filtering between the demodulator and the audio output, since this decoder board modification has more treble than the Redsun's own AM output. A. From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 04 09:59:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4418 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2010 17:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2010 17:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2010 17:59:39 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout01.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFYYCYZAGBBSXJ for (sender ); Thu, 4 Feb 2010 09:58:47 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxG3fepRfoCUtuIqHJg2Y2A= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P5XQ7BK5; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:58:22 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.143] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:57:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:57:46 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100204.095746.6434.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 1159 X-ContentStamp: 3:5:727304308 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Picking the bones of Air America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=eJFPiFCYHv7GG5vumxSfh6yY6WvELSEC-VHAY4AzzA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Air America=92s angel may lose $15 million. The Chapter 7 liquidation filing hit the Southern District of New York bank= ruptcy court yesterday morning, and while Arbitron is owed nearly $48,000 a= nd Clear Channel is owed $67,000 for support by KTLK-AM, Los Angeles =96 th= e mountain of debt falls on investors.=20 This isn=92t one of those cases where the talent or the executives are scre= wed over with tens of thousands of dollars owed.=20 Nicole Sandler is owed $4,200.=20 Rachel Maddow=92s owed $3,951,=20 Ellis Henican $1,500=20 and Ana Marie Cox $1,169.=20 During Air America=92s last financial crisis, Al Franken was helping keep t= he place alive and was presumably owed a bunch more than that.=20 Charlie Kireker is the idealistic businessman from Vermont who thought Air = America was worth saving as a source of progressive talk radio and new medi= a.=20 And it=92s his =93Pendulum Media LLC=94, a 67.99% owner of Air America=92s = equity, that is listed as an unsecured creditor for a note in the amount of= - you ready? - $15,819,991.12.=20 He put his money where his heart was, and became the latest true believer t= o lose a bundle. From dwtpa97@verizon.net Thu Feb 04 10:38:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93121 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2010 18:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2010 18:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173007pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.7) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2010 18:38:01 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([unknown] [96.228.140.43]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KXB003PCYE58AX1@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:37:19 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <8C1C65B0E15847D79C9EBA7BC7315F9F@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <20100204.095746.6434.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:37:18 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.7 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don's point is well-taken. First and foremost, radio is a business. It has to take in at least as much as it spends. Dick W. Don Milbury said: Air America's angel may lose $15 million. He put his money where his heart was, and became the latest true believer to lose a bundle. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Thu Feb 04 12:12:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21042 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2010 20:12:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2010 20:12:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s19.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.222) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2010 20:12:10 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W12 ([65.55.90.199]) by snt0-omc4-s19.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:12:09 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:12:09 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20100204.095746.6434.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> References: <20100204.095746.6434.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2010 20:12:09.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[54BFC9C0:01CAA5D6] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=UpEQ9vgmmig4iKZ28ip2A8lWFondA8q5QCrE4eS761v31FBJ2bjp X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is sad that all the folks lost so much supporting liberal talk radio. I= t seems that the only talk radio to survive in America today is the conserv= ative side.=20=20 =20 I do not have any answer as to why this is so, but it does seem to be suppo= rted by the facts.=20 =20 I am sure that all the conservative pundits will rush in and say that they = survive because they have the truth on their side, and that may also be tru= e, again I have no idea. =20 I can say truthfully that I have not heard any explanation for the demise o= f liberal talk radio that has any basis in scientific fact. It just seems = to be true. =20 Liberal Talk Radio---R.I.P. =20 MTGC (Michael) =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: w6yn@juno.com Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:57:46 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America =20=20 Air America=92s angel may lose $15 million. The Chapter 7 liquidation filing hit the Southern District of New York bank= ruptcy court yesterday morning, and while Arbitron is owed nearly $48,000 a= nd Clear Channel is owed $67,000 for support by KTLK-AM, Los Angeles =96 th= e mountain of debt falls on investors.=20 This isn=92t one of those cases where the talent or the executives are scre= wed over with tens of thousands of dollars owed.=20 Nicole Sandler is owed $4,200.=20 Rachel Maddow=92s owed $3,951,=20 Ellis Henican $1,500=20 and Ana Marie Cox $1,169.=20 During Air America=92s last financial crisis, Al Franken was helping keep t= he place alive and was presumably owed a bunch more than that.=20 Charlie Kireker is the idealistic businessman from Vermont who thought Air = America was worth saving as a source of progressive talk radio and new medi= a.=20 And it=92s his =93Pendulum Media LLC=94, a 67.99% owner of Air America=92s = equity, that is listed as an unsecured creditor for a note in the amount of= - you ready? - $15,819,991.12.=20 He put his money where his heart was, and became the latest true believer t= o lose a bundle. =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 04 12:52:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34401 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2010 20:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2010 20:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2010 20:52:16 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFYYN3XAYPKTXS for (sender ); Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:51:01 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8AbB5CfSYF4kattHc/nFUQ= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P5X223DY; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:50:49 PST X-Received: from [99.129.213.143] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:50:44 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:50:44 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100204.125044.3569.3@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 3525 X-ContentStamp: 14:7:1172323424 X-MAIL-INFO:1aa00569f5894d00c9f58979893095c1cd3509b5d42d04b4892499d109d1911424d494c4d50c9df9d4c484d0557d659d6504f441fd60b0b56d29a9c005e110c0a029a91959e0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=5mi0XiW8eWzJ0_vdpMcBPguJ22mzhzwMCNbfODWlVg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn So the question is: Why can't liberals make it on talk radio? Liberals are not as likely to listen to talk radio. A big problem is the existence of NPR, which produces, on the whole, better= and more varied programming than Air America ever did. NPR exudes an under= stated but very real leftward tilt. Personalities like Garrison Keillor and= Ira Glass are (like Limbaugh) entertaining to listen to. Ultimately, they = offered consumers of left-leaning radio more appealing options than Air Ame= rica did. Even though NPR's liberal leaning favors a younger audience, the median age= of an NPR listener is still 50. To find a young audience, you have to turn= to television, which offers the likes of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. = As recently as 2008, Stewart's audience had a median age of 36, although it= has now crept up to 41. Talk radio is a tough gig. You have to sustain three hours of conversation,= five days a week, in defense of your ideas. Conservatives like to say that= liberals aren't successful on the radio simply because their ideas don't h= old up. But I have a formula that better explains the fate of liberal talk radio: Radio trends older and wiser. Liberals trend younger and gullible. X and Y plus NPR =3D The Death of Air America. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO To: AM Stereo Subject: RE: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:12:09 -0500 It is sad that all the folks lost so much supporting liberal talk radio. I= t seems that the only talk radio to survive in America today is the conserv= ative side.=20=20 =20 I do not have any answer as to why this is so, but it does seem to be suppo= rted by the facts.=20 =20 I am sure that all the conservative pundits will rush in and say that they = survive because they have the truth on their side, and that may also be tru= e, again I have no idea. =20 I can say truthfully that I have not heard any explanation for the demise o= f liberal talk radio that has any basis in scientific fact. It just seems = to be true. =20 Liberal Talk Radio---R.I.P. =20 MTGC (Michael) =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: w6yn@juno.com Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:57:46 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America =20=20 Air America=92s angel may lose $15 million. The Chapter 7 liquidation filing hit the Southern District of New York bank= ruptcy court yesterday morning, and while Arbitron is owed nearly $48,000 a= nd Clear Channel is owed $67,000 for support by KTLK-AM, Los Angeles =96 th= e mountain of debt falls on investors.=20 This isn=92t one of those cases where the talent or the executives are scre= wed over with tens of thousands of dollars owed.=20 Nicole Sandler is owed $4,200.=20 Rachel Maddow=92s owed $3,951,=20 Ellis Henican $1,500=20 and Ana Marie Cox $1,169.=20 During Air America=92s last financial crisis, Al Franken was helping keep t= he place alive and was presumably owed a bunch more than that.=20 Charlie Kireker is the idealistic businessman from Vermont who thought Air = America was worth saving as a source of progressive talk radio and new medi= a.=20 And it=92s his =93Pendulum Media LLC=94, a 67.99% owner of Air America=92s = equity, that is listed as an unsecured creditor for a note in the amount of= - you ready? - $15,819,991.12.=20 He put his money where his heart was, and became the latest true believer t= o lose a bundle. =20 From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Feb 04 17:29:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88937 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 01:29:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 01:29:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f203.google.com) (209.85.210.203) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 01:29:34 -0000 X-Received: by yxe41 with SMTP id 41so6702628yxe.30 for ; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:29:33 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.168.6 with SMTP id q6mr3211480ybe.132.1265333371523; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:29:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm246725yxg.14.2010.02.04.17.29.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:29:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <40ED18E3642947D083A6C9543DCC60AD@mygateway> To: References: <1265274235.431.57791.m2@yahoogroups.com> <4B6A9AA6.2060105@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 18:29:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Redsun AM stereo receiver mod (was Re: platform motion) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=eS9JpsUyYX1-f1etynAO9qsHYWaRPKDP0VERiWjOmbg5eD2wM20a X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello that is the person I purchased the tuner from it was the one he offered fore 150.00 it was the model before the one he has now on his site if that helps ----- Original Message ----- From: apw To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:00 AM Subject: {AMSF} Redsun AM stereo receiver mod (was Re: platform motion) > 1k. Re: platform motion > Posted by: "hank smith" hanksmith5@gmail.com alive4jesus1 > Date: Wed Feb 3, 2010 6:39 pm ((PST)) > > my kit was home built I purchased it online I forget the dudes website I got a MC13028a based stereo decoder board from http://meduci.com/ (amstereo@meduci.com). $25 usd plus postage. Wired it to the AM IF output on a Redsun 2100. Worked straight away. Gave better fidelity than the radio's normal AM output, even on the radio's "wide" setting and in stereo, of course (for the few stations left out there that transmit AM stereo). I also soldered a red led to the decoder board to show when a stereo pilot was received. Very pleased with my modification. Thought I'd have to widen the ceramic filter response, but they were fine as is. There must be some more low pass filtering between the demodulator and the audio output, since this decoder board modification has more treble than the Redsun's own AM output. A. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 04 20:01:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29592 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 04:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 04:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 04:01:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78717 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2010 04:01:36 -0000 Message-ID: <924952.78525.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JrSgqzsVM1kTBuG5hUELg7RDltu6N8DPoCCa1BnNHIIsNuSP3882uGbfe81L6f.1i4SOMpmB8BlmyMlWhaXfm0rA.j.Wwlgbrg3nJCyNzffw62xWim0ZUGYmn1n4OJn81czPL6JN1ForHvPLD8GzbJpESbQHqtuP0hA36MwDnVGRbYfKF5S4Ssn20F13juUsg0pZgkMSEiAkyaBZy1ALLkXxKHWXl5S1JRqtS1Ipieji3eqC8vNQKHQKsUBQjYXxx2AX.DydRkXPiltSH179P9.sDgzeB5uDXZqLAWbEAjUj9WyT1r3yhywVrsP0EURwCqRN9EHlJqUy20c0IOhIu3DsFbKaVYVIoDyKolsLj6sNz5z34koGvXzvPnqxp2hcahym0sOGm3jEcbfVztnhltY12JndTTBQPmDBCDJa8dP9ezoiwShq9sBnldNgA15IC4lEEkMij7zFO1hNuI5u9LlqwCHszYXJoO._bo6cu5BOVxfrU7xY12rcV9kaEZ_EQOS9lfCxYWsiqX2EBKZHp6N_krFow6J5eexM4knDxlUZH0GSwHqklpsBIpwlJUBGOVNbJUliP18a7mUB3BbuKryai9qjNkWQ_ypXjtI- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:01:35 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:01:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: RE: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=BwHHPC2zmGibS3kTqmLWUYqnWowe6RhZVgjQ4hB9TW7XxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One part is that the money is on the "conservative" side. =C2=A0The wheeler= -dealers, the hustlers, the fat cats that can afford a network, usually lea= n to the right, not always, but more often than not. =C2=A0Flush Rimbowl pr= obably makes more in one year than Air America owes everyone combined!Of co= urse one could postulate a good old conspiracy theory here, too. =C2=A0Mayb= e a lobbyist or group there-of had enough influence to "make it happen"?Nev= er under-estimate what a wad of money can buy, like favors, injustice, and = outright evil!(I saw this first hand when the best sheriff this county ever= had was "railroaded" out of office by the opposing party...but the voters = saw through the BS, and now his SON is our sheriff. Once in a while justice= DOES triumph over evil...but not often enough.)Sadly with only one side on= the air now, no more check-and-balance to keep both sides honest (as if th= ey ever were!), and open-minded people who like to hear BOTH sides and come= to their OWN conclusions are doomed to get "tainted evidence".=C2=A0G=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 --- On Thu, 2/4/10, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO = wrote: From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America To: "AM Stereo" Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:12 PM It is sad that all the folks lost so much supporting liberal talk radio.=C2= =A0 It seems that the only talk radio to survive in America today is the co= nservative side.=C2=A0=20 =20 I do not have any answer as to why this is so, but it does seem to be suppo= rted by the facts.=20 =20 I am sure that all the conservative pundits will rush in and say that they = survive because they have the truth on their side, and that may also be tru= e, again I have no idea. =20 I can say truthfully that I have not heard any explanation for the demise o= f liberal talk radio that has any basis in scientific fact.=C2=A0 It just s= eems to be true. =20 Liberal Talk Radio---R.I.P. =20 MTGC (Michael) =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: w6yn@juno.com Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:57:46 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America =C2=A0=20 Air America=E2=80=99s angel may lose $15 million. The Chapter 7 liquidation filing hit the Southern District of New York bank= ruptcy court yesterday morning, and while Arbitron is owed nearly $48,000 a= nd Clear Channel is owed $67,000 for support by KTLK-AM, Los Angeles =E2=80= =93 the mountain of debt falls on investors.=20 This isn=E2=80=99t one of those cases where the talent or the executives ar= e screwed over with tens of thousands of dollars owed.=20 Nicole Sandler is owed $4,200.=20 Rachel Maddow=E2=80=99s owed $3,951,=20 Ellis Henican $1,500=20 and Ana Marie Cox $1,169.=20 During Air America=E2=80=99s last financial crisis, Al Franken was helping = keep the place alive and was presumably owed a bunch more than that.=20 Charlie Kireker is the idealistic businessman from Vermont who thought Air = America was worth saving as a source of progressive talk radio and new medi= a.=20 And it=E2=80=99s his =E2=80=9CPendulum Media LLC=E2=80=9D, a 67.99% owner o= f Air America=E2=80=99s equity, that is listed as an unsecured creditor for= a note in the amount of - you ready? - $15,819,991.12.=20 He put his money where his heart was, and became the latest true believer t= o lose a bundle. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Feb 04 21:04:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71735 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 05:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 05:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 05:04:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2010 05:00:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2010 05:00:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:00:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <924952.78525.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.42.115.69 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=hMjMrYsZc1_e4rdESNMFC9Z4PnOcwYGQKB055zDqvy8OQLdLoXhwsRAt7zgZJH3Aa0X_TniN X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > One part is that the money is on the "conservative" side. =C2=A0The wheel= er-dealers, the hustlers, the fat cats that can afford a network, usually l= ean to the right, not always, but more often than not. =C2=A0Flush Rimbowl = probably makes more in one year than Air America owes everyone combined!Of = course one could postulate a good old conspiracy theory here, too. =C2=A0Ma= ybe a lobbyist or group there-of had enough influence to "make it happen"?N= ever under-estimate what a wad of money can buy, like favors, injustice, an= d outright evil!(I saw this first hand when the best sheriff this county ev= er had was "railroaded" out of office by the opposing party...but the voter= s saw through the BS, and now his SON is our sheriff. Once in a while justi= ce DOES triumph over evil...but not often enough.)Sadly with only one side = on the air now, no more check-and-balance to keep both sides honest (as if = they ever were!), and open-minded people who like to hear BOTH sides and co= me to > their OWN conclusions are doomed to get "tainted evidence".=C2=A0G=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 >=20 > --- On Thu, 2/4/10, MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO wrote: >=20 > From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO > Subject: RE: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America > To: "AM Stereo" > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 3:12 PM >=20 >=20 > It is sad that all the folks lost so much supporting liberal talk radio.= =C2=A0 It seems that the only talk radio to survive in America today is the= conservative side.=C2=A0=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > I do not have any answer as to why this is so, but it does seem to be sup= ported by the facts.=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > I am sure that all the conservative pundits will rush in and say that the= y survive because they have the truth on their side, and that may also be t= rue, again I have no idea. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > I can say truthfully that I have not heard any explanation for the demise= of liberal talk radio that has any basis in scientific fact.=C2=A0 It just= seems to be true. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Liberal Talk Radio---R.I.P. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > MTGC (Michael) >=20=20 >=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > From: w6yn@... > Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 17:57:46 +0000 > Subject: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America >=20 > =C2=A0=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Air America=E2=80=99s angel may lose $15 million. >=20 > The Chapter 7 liquidation filing hit the Southern District of New York ba= nkruptcy court yesterday morning, and while Arbitron is owed nearly $48,000= and Clear Channel is owed $67,000 for support by KTLK-AM, Los Angeles =E2= =80" the mountain of debt falls on investors.=20 >=20 > This isn=E2=80=99t one of those cases where the talent or the executives = are screwed over with tens of thousands of dollars owed.=20 > Nicole Sandler is owed $4,200.=20 > Rachel Maddow=E2=80=99s owed $3,951,=20 > Ellis Henican $1,500=20 > and Ana Marie Cox $1,169.=20 >=20 > During Air America=E2=80=99s last financial crisis, Al Franken was helpin= g keep the place alive and was presumably owed a bunch more than that.=20 >=20 > Charlie Kireker is the idealistic businessman from Vermont who thought Ai= r America was worth saving as a source of progressive talk radio and new me= dia.=20 > And it=E2=80=99s his =E2=80=9CPendulum Media LLC=E2=80=9D, a 67.99% owner= of Air America=E2=80=99s equity, that is listed as an unsecured creditor f= or a note in the amount of - you ready? - $15,819,991.12.=20 >=20 > He put his money where his heart was, and became the latest true believer= to lose a bundle. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang Dose them right!!! There the ones that took the last AM STEREO sta= tion off the air in Sacramento Ca KCTC AM mono 1320 now ESPN 1320. ABC pu= t Radio Disney wich KRAK AM 1470 came back to on the AM dial with clssaic c= ountry. Big corps !!! It realy shows what they know!!!! Jim simth From acq@videotron.ca Thu Feb 04 21:43:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27376 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 05:43:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 05:43:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 05:43:12 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KXC008NVT7M2H40@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:43:00 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <000a01caa626$12c5a030$6800a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Pierre CHABOT Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:42:58 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: C-Quam exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=cNHPYzCNzd3pRv2XOUkyeMdE7kvYmt_Yx-v6YKnGwuZhA8xTyXPkgak X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all those who replied to my platform motion querry ! Now, I'm begging for something EVEN more important, concerning my future as a broadcaster... With a few French speaking friends, we would like to put into the air a French language ECLECTIC TOP 40 / UNDERGROUND station on 690 in C-Quam stereo... It would be a remake of a French station gone 20 years ago that was highly innovative at the time (I'm the biggest fan on Earth of Aventure FM)... It would be called Aventure C-Quam...I'm already starting to write station promos and announcements ! It would features philosphy, acomoclitism, parapsychology and...a VERY eclectic and unpredictable music mix. I'm FINALLY (!) about to obtain Aventure airchecks, so I'm ready to make my dream come true. I need C-Quam, because the FM band is buzy in the Montreal area, I'm obssesed with stereo and I'm ready to record some of the songs in stereo and send short airchecks Instant Messenger to the unlucky listeners who have monaural equipment only... I'm also ready to promote E-Bay for that purpose ! As a background, I worked for 2 years and a half at the Saint-Laurent college radio station here in Montreal and did several shows: "The French-speaking World Tour" and "Adventures to the other side of the world". Both shows achieved a high-degree of popularity among the students ! It was followed by "Say yes to our innocence, say no to their conspiracy" and "Tropical Storm", so I know what I'm talking about. I have been DXing since very young in Romania (I knew shortwave way before elementary school) even though my first experience with C-Quam was this year when I received the Sony SRF-A1 and the Sony CFS6000 from EBay collectors... The Sony XR-A33 car-radio does seem to have it's FM completly broken and it's AM ST sections broken as well... Only 530-1620 regular AM stuff can be heard... I installed it for the AM ST and I wad disappointed, but it's certainly a noteworthy DX machine, as you can see here (http://www.mail-archive.com/hard-core-dx@hard-core-dx.com/msg25376.html) for regular AM listening and for tapes listening, but don't expect anything else from it. Any chance the CRTC will not disregard C-Quam ? Is C-Quam used only by CFCO nowadays ? Is the CRTC still licensing new C-Quam broadcasters ? I wish you a very good night...if I don't have enough money to buy a C-Quam exciter, I'll ask some of my co-workers... Last, but not least, has the CINF-690 tx being destroyed ? An astrologist I saw talked about a radio project before the end of 2010 ! May the good DX and the happy broadcasts be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Feb 05 09:26:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66253 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 17:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 17:26:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 17:26:26 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KXD00EZUPS0DLM0@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:26:26 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <000e01caa688$56eb3a60$6800a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:26:23 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: WIRY-1340 & 690 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=Ad7oR7pBTFT2A7mkjEQ5RlapT9hcPR6aBRtvApj2FDk36qnCsIpflZw X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warm greetings ! Right now, on stable daytime groundwave, I'm enjoying a clear and decent C-= Quam signal from WIRY on 1340 kHz here in Pierrefonds... Very excited ! I'm= hearing the bass clearer in one speaker and the organ clearer in the other= one... Wow ! The Sony CFS6000 really works after all those years (the one = found on EBay)... Now, I could use this receiver to monitor my own 690 signal... How a C-Quam= exciter works ? I mean, can I install a C-Quam exciter to the Ch=E2teaugay= /Kahnawake tx or do i need a brand new transmitter ? I have a huge radio project ahead ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu / Bogdan l'aventurier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Feb 05 09:32:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32100 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 17:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 17:30:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 17:30:15 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KXD00ML5PYDXEH0@VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:30:15 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <001701caa688$df3a1850$6800a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: pkloops@bigpond.net.au Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:30:12 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: WIRY-1340 & 690 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=AjRGKLXZXxXPJjpg7WWLl5gdZMBJGPODZj9Ofxwd8s1ia8CzNVcZ65o X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just heard the electric guitar explosing on the left while the voice of t= he country-rock singer was powerful in the right... Thanks to Paul Karlstra= nd of Australia for making this dream come true... This is the only way of = hearing stereo this Plattsburg fringy semi-local ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu, future owner of Aventure FM and the proud owner of the Son= y CFS6000 purchassed from EBay Friday, February 05, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: WIRY-1340 & 690 Warm greetings ! Right now, on stable daytime groundwave, I'm enjoying a clear and decent = C-Quam signal from WIRY on 1340 kHz here in Pierrefonds... Very excited ! I= 'm hearing the bass clearer in one speaker and the organ clearer in the oth= er one... Wow ! The Sony CFS6000 really works after all those years (the on= e found on EBay)... Now, I could use this receiver to monitor my own 690 signal... How a C-Qu= am exciter works ? I mean, can I install a C-Quam exciter to the Ch=E2teaug= ay/Kahnawake tx or do i need a brand new transmitter ? I have a huge radio project ahead ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu / Bogdan l'aventurier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 05 09:45:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75007 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 17:45:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 17:45:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 17:45:30 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2010 17:44:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Feb 2010 17:44:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:44:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01caa688$56eb3a60$6800a8c0@B> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.209 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: WIRY-1340 & 690 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=GJWOencVpBJ3cVHZAdoUTXsP08vmVi-Yd4h2nE143wzljdYG7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Theorically, just theorically, a C-QUAM exciter can be connected to any AM = TX. BUT... Most of the old vacuum tubes, plate modulated AM TX don't have enoug= h good IQM (Incidental Quadratute Modulation) performance, which means some= problems with the final stereo separation. And I'm not sure if it is a vac= uum tubes TXs ONLY issue. Basically an external C-QUAM exciter have to have two outputs: one audio su= m (L+R) output enough to excite the AM TX audio input (normally +10 Dbm 600= ohms), and another output to the QUAM RF output enough to excite AND FULL = REPLACE the AM TX carrier oscillator/exciter (normally more than 10 Wts 50 = ohms to a 1 KW TX). You have to put attention to the tuning box and the antenna itself to get t= he best RF bandwith to your carrier frecuency, which means the best audio p= erformance. But it is valid to any kind of AM transmission, mono and/or ste= reo. Just a doubt: How do you transport/carry your stereo audio from the studio = to the TX? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, aurel chiochiu wrote: > > Warm greetings ! >=20 > Right now, on stable daytime groundwave, I'm enjoying a clear and decent = C-Quam signal from WIRY on 1340 kHz here in Pierrefonds... Very excited ! I= 'm hearing the bass clearer in one speaker and the organ clearer in the oth= er one... Wow ! The Sony CFS6000 really works after all those years (the on= e found on EBay)... >=20 > Now, I could use this receiver to monitor my own 690 signal... How a C-Qu= am exciter works ? I mean, can I install a C-Quam exciter to the Ch=E2teaug= ay/Kahnawake tx or do i need a brand new transmitter ? >=20 > I have a huge radio project ahead ! >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu / Bogdan l'aventurier >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 05 11:37:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43903 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 19:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 19:37:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.150) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 19:37:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 72667 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2010 19:37:24 -0000 Message-ID: <710581.72028.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KpdsftEVM1kWwOrTgKpyPzS7WQ.ft0NLS80uBeU8NQuK3xHXKbS2WnedebejOLMPolZYocOWztuI82Z8cHWoWwBpIYFc0vu6li5viLpDZpnvloo1o1DFOgM0dMEiJgOcuB7cm6o0XlR7sWpCbvtLk3zTyCN5GWTWuiPYyd.5DC79FSayO9AuQjzFreDdVAmP6dQZfLhN8rMwhFlZQi1.tqno9idnKfngzeh4sO6hQ8vJiZkcpMkesG9QvZQuQ.GbnBuctg0WY2ZgTxcZsjNdGwyB_rBD7Ku_r2sDQYHz9cmX X-Received: from [72.241.179.196] by web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:37:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 11:37:24 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Sotiris Papadimitriou MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.150 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=pKh7yd3utW6fjP5ACaFcad_BKGWH9AYEE7gb3_FvRfTT7O-B2hbU5ss X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Aurel wrote: "...Any chance the CRTC will not disregard C-Quam ? Is C-Quam used only by CFCO nowadays ? Is the CRTC still licensing new C-Quam broadcasters ?..." Canada ONLY allows the use of C-Quam for AM stereo and does NOT permit IBOC, and there were several C-Quam stations on the Western provinces of Canada pumping out 50KW stereo for several years, and a few might still be. 2nd: there are at least two ways to get C-Quam on the air - you can purchase what we refer to as the "Alfredo Lite" designed by Alfredo T. and built in the USA by our friend Chris Cuff in New York State. These appear on eBay from time to time and run around $100-$150 each. The other way is to purchase a C-Quam AM Stereo transmitter from our friend Sotiris of ASPiSYS in Greece. He make a "Part 15" C-Quam transmitter for use here, and a more powerful version for licensed amateur radio operators who can use this in AM mode on the 160meter ham radio band! He also now has a much more powerful unit for 'broadcasters'. Contact Sotiris at the ASPiSYS website and he can help you out, or look at some of his items on eBay. 73's John K8DAD (in CFCO territory) From acq@videotron.ca Fri Feb 05 12:46:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22453 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 20:46:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 20:46:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 20:46:39 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KXD00MEBYZBXE11@VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:45:14 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <000e01caa6a4$1baab4a0$6800a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Philippe ..." References: <710581.72028.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:45:09 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=V62OGbAyLMAOpwLXSwYRNDSC6ZJpyLvpBgU1SHOtM5hiCX9bZ5q-tuo X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for such a quick and complete reply ! I'll keep looking for it... In the mean time, I'm forwarding this message t= o RADIO PIRATE, not a pirate radio maniac, but a maniac of eclectic program= ming... It is now or never ! While CINF-690 passed away, they just gave the licenese to our CRTC WITHOUT= destroying the transmitter, so we can have it for CHEAP, no ? I never hear= d on the TV news of the 690/940 towers being destroyed during the switch of= f shortly after 7 PM ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu (in the future territory of Aventure 69 C-Quam) Btw.: This is what pushed me to become involved in broadcasting. I gave up = on college a few months ago, at the University, I found my place only to a = limited extent, I passed a test on a radio for becoming a jock and they nev= er saw such an inventive weather forecast, but most important of all it's f= or the rebranding of a radio station (in France) that might have better luc= k in Canada, because HERE all the stations are copycat at each others... By= the way, they told me I'm about to change the world of radio in the provin= ce of Quebec, that I will do things that nobody did before like playing Thi= erry Cham instead of Boum Desjardins in heavy rotation and focussing on Fre= nch language music from elsewhere, not only French Canadian. Rythme FM is a= copycat of CKOI, CKOI is a copycat of NRJ... After hearing this http://www= .youtube.com/watch?v=3DLHZe2bNJW7k. I don't know of any radio fan who would= n't become a C-Quam supporter after watching this video ! It sounds better = than FM ! In France, they were so many stations in 1988 targeting the youth= , that the one I listened to at the time never would have had any luck, tho= ugh it had a killer potential. Here is why I suddenly want to become a broa= dcaster ! Very few people actually cared about it, so using its jingles and= station liners and the brand new 690 C-Quam stereo will not disturb anyone= , you can see below how I will receive them... I even saw a medium who told= me I will be involved in a project, albeit not a huge one, before the end = of 2010, but a project that will allow me to meet many new people. 02-02-2010 21:51:41 Thierry 92=20 Invit=E9=20 Courriel=20 Re: =E9change de k7 Aventure FM Bonjour le fada de l'Aventure jusqu'au bout des ondes :-) En tant qu'ancien de cette " aventure " , j'ai nombre des tr=E9sors que tu = recherches ! Contacte si ca te chante ! Th M a.. Signaler |=20 b.. Citer If anyone here is collecting airchecks, I could send you some copies of it = once I receive them.=20 I try to be realistic, but it's beyond me, never had been before an opportu= nity to do a station cheaper than before with CORUS QUEBEC paying the fees.= Now it's time to see who will pay the fees, I hope Le sorcier is reading t= his. From: John P.=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: Sotiris Papadimitriou=20 Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada =20=20=20=20 Aurel wrote: "...Any chance the CRTC will not disregard C-Quam ? Is C-Qua= m used only by CFCO nowadays ? Is the CRTC still licensing new C-Quam broad= casters ?..." Canada ONLY allows the use of C-Quam for AM stereo and does NOT permit IB= OC, and there were several C-Quam stations on the Western provinces of Cana= da pumping out 50KW stereo for several years, and a few might still be. 2nd: there are at least two ways to get C-Quam on the air - you can purch= ase what we refer to as the "Alfredo Lite" designed by Alfredo T. and built= in the USA by our friend Chris Cuff in New York State. These appear on eBa= y from time to time and run around $100-$150 each. The other way is to purchase a C-Quam AM Stereo transmitter from our frie= nd Sotiris of ASPiSYS in Greece. He make a "Part 15" C-Quam transmitter for= use here, and a more powerful version for licensed amateur radio operators= who can use this in AM mode on the 160meter ham radio band! He also now ha= s a much more powerful unit for 'broadcasters'. Contact Sotiris at the ASPi= SYS website and he can help you out, or look at some of his items on eBay. 73's John K8DAD (in CFCO territory) =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dwtpa97@verizon.net Fri Feb 05 13:00:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8924 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 21:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 21:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173013pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.13) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 21:00:48 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([unknown] [96.228.140.43]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KXD0089VZPG3UD2@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:00:55 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <01A245F4D768468AB3987DC503BE25AA@your4dacd0ea75> To: References: <710581.72028.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:00:45 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.13 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I notice that there is a MetroSound C-Quam AM Stereo receiver for sale on eBay. I owned one of these at one time, and they are very good. They are designed to be plugged into a car radio. Chris Cuff used to modify them with a cable to plug into a home stereo system, but I don't imagine this one would have that modification. The eBay listing includes the opportunity to "make an offer", and could be a good purchase for someone who has C-Quam in their area. The link is below. Dick W. http://cgi.ebay.com/MetroSound-AMS-400-AM-stereo-onverter_W0QQitemZ330333760864QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Audio_In_Dash_Receivers?hash=item4ce96d2d60 ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Sotiris Papadimitriou Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada Aurel wrote: "...Any chance the CRTC will not disregard C-Quam ? Is C-Quam used only by CFCO nowadays ? Is the CRTC still licensing new C-Quam broadcasters ?..." Canada ONLY allows the use of C-Quam for AM stereo and does NOT permit IBOC, and there were several C-Quam stations on the Western provinces of Canada pumping out 50KW stereo for several years, and a few might still be. 2nd: there are at least two ways to get C-Quam on the air - you can purchase what we refer to as the "Alfredo Lite" designed by Alfredo T. and built in the USA by our friend Chris Cuff in New York State. These appear on eBay from time to time and run around $100-$150 each. The other way is to purchase a C-Quam AM Stereo transmitter from our friend Sotiris of ASPiSYS in Greece. He make a "Part 15" C-Quam transmitter for use here, and a more powerful version for licensed amateur radio operators who can use this in AM mode on the 160meter ham radio band! He also now has a much more powerful unit for 'broadcasters'. Contact Sotiris at the ASPiSYS website and he can help you out, or look at some of his items on eBay. 73's John K8DAD (in CFCO territory) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 05 14:00:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41035 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 22:00:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 22:00:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 22:00:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.212] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100205155953003122600011.0) with SMTP id <20100205155953003122600011> for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:59:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00eb01caa6af$2857a2c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1265274235.431.57791.m2@yahoogroups.com> <4B6A9AA6.2060105@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:59:53 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Redsun AM stereo receiver mod (was Re: platform motion) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=loUVkHYz0Onf43NGoxtXISQayrr-ax-4SXoGhPTquf1eWuRcggoc X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I do a receiver mod like that I use the existing stereo indicator if it has one. Sometimes that can be the most challenging part, especially if it's an older home stereo which used a miniature incandescent lamp. I find darlington opto-isolators work well in those apps. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: apw To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:59 AM Subject: {AMSF} Redsun AM stereo receiver mod (was Re: platform motion) I got a MC13028a based stereo decoder board from http://meduci.com/ (amstereo@meduci.com). $25 usd plus postage. Wired it to the AM IF output on a Redsun 2100. Worked straight away. Gave better fidelity than the radio's normal AM output, even on the radio's "wide" setting and in stereo, of course (for the few stations left out there that transmit AM stereo). I also soldered a red led to the decoder board to show when a stereo pilot was received. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 05 14:08:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65413 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 22:08:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 22:08:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 22:08:20 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.212] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100205160814000208900010.0) with SMTP id <20100205160814000208900010> for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:08:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <010a01caa6b0$546c0260$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20100204.095746.6434.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:08:14 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=FxLm5hTgPmLb1OG_LKrNrfA35jAVcGZtINah5kxF_p8cCwL1w2ke X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Air America may be dead, but liberal talk radio is anything but. The ones who are still out there are largely distributed by Dial Global (formerly Jones Radio Net.) Stephanie Miller and Ed Schultz are still out there. I may not agree with them politically, but they're two of the more entertaining ones. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO" To: "AM Stereo" Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 2:12 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America Liberal Talk Radio---R.I.P. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 05 14:19:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86692 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 22:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 22:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 22:19:55 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.212] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100205161938001584000010.0) with SMTP id <20100205161938001584000010> for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:19:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012201caa6b1$ec782740$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <924952.78525.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:19:38 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=lr0ePbdnziBbDGQ9I4k21tF5_5HLp6ZKM8EUmC7JHy1jqZ36YGsk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to government statistics, the uber-rich vote 2 to 1 Democrat. I'm not trying to start any sort of flame war, merely pointing out what's already out there. And as I said in my previous email, liberal talk radio is still very much alive so feel free to breathe easier. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:01 PM Subject: RE: {AMSF} Picking the bones of Air America One part is that the money is on the "conservative" side. The wheeler-dealers, the hustlers, the fat cats that can afford a network, usually lean to the right, not always, but more often than not. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 05 14:25:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62589 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 22:25:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 22:25:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 22:25:01 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.212] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100205162434002199100010.0) with SMTP id <20100205162434002199100010> for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:24:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <012f01caa6b2$9cd56260$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <000a01caa626$12c5a030$6800a8c0@B> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:24:34 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-Quam exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=ckVd1UgV_b9_r_0DDesmrhQRQ3LzsNOlG1VOR9GF4qqjRcDBK6pI X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's that first one? As for the second, we get enough of that on Coast to Coast waste of watts. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Pierre CHABOT Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:43 PM Subject: {AMSF} C-Quam exciter acomoclitism, parapsychology --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 05 14:33:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64884 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 22:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 22:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 22:33:25 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.212] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100205163314003220100010.0) with SMTP id <20100205163314003220100010> for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:33:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <016101caa6b3$d2aa1880$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:33:14 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: WIRY-1340 & 690 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=d9KvlhQYOmVsc9I5bH__tKA5mt7YaDFIBlyBReLw4gimrnfvyQVn X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a problem with a lot of modern PDM transmitters as well. Harris exciters even had a compensating circuit for use with their Gates and SX series transmitters because of this. The Nautel ND series works well with stereo, though. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: WIRY-1340 & 690 Theorically, just theorically, a C-QUAM exciter can be connected to any AM TX. BUT... Most of the old vacuum tubes, plate modulated AM TX don't have enough good IQM (Incidental Quadratute Modulation) performance, which means some problems with the final stereo separation. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 05 14:40:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83427 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 22:40:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 22:40:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 22:40:15 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.212] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100205163948001276500011.0) with SMTP id <20100205163948001276500011> for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:39:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <018a01caa6b4$bda965c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <710581.72028.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:39:48 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=dsMFfWhD6USbn-M7SnQGN6B0D-c1ZSM7W2m5zUVyx1vTW7oRiG77 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's fine for hobby broadcasting, but it sounds like he wants to run a full power radio station. In that case he'll have to either buy new- IIRC Delta still makes them, or buy one off of ebay. If the latter, be advised you'll likely need to do a complete replacement of the electrolytic caps. He would be well advised to get a mod monitor too. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: John P. To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Sotiris Papadimitriou Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:37 PM Subject: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada 2nd: there are at least two ways to get C-Quam on the air - you can purchase what we refer to as the "Alfredo Lite" designed by Alfredo T. and built in the USA by our friend Chris Cuff in New York State. These appear on eBay from time to time and run around $100-$150 each. The other way is to purchase a C-Quam AM Stereo transmitter from our friend Sotiris of ASPiSYS in Greece. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 05 14:51:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11101 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 22:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 22:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 22:51:11 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.212] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100205165042002607300011.0) with SMTP id <20100205165042002607300011> for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:50:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <019501caa6b6$438181e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <710581.72028.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000e01caa6a4$1baab4a0$6800a8c0@B> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:50:42 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=MyEBm4ZgJeGa9rpNrEqIDEEVrAxiYxh_FkPmJ3X_1OGTNBpkZ1KT X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You may get the transmitter itself cheap, assuming it's not all that new, but add the towers and the land and you're probably going to need a lot of money. If this station was shut down not that long ago it's entirely possible everything is still standing. Have you tried contacting the station owners about what they'd want for all of it? One thing working in your favor is even when an AM facility goes dark like this, the Canadian government still lays international claim to protection of the coverage areas. A lot of US broadcasters curse that provision as a lot of them could use less complicated directional antennas if those weren't in place. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Philippe ... Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada While CINF-690 passed away, they just gave the licenese to our CRTC WITHOUT destroying the transmitter, so we can have it for CHEAP, no ? I never heard on the TV news of the 690/940 towers being destroyed during the switch off shortly after 7 PM ! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 05 15:11:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68624 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 23:11:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 23:11:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 23:11:35 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.212] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100205171128001719600011.0) with SMTP id <20100205171128001719600011> for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:11:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <01cc01caa6b9$29f89d00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:11:28 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=7vPBmL0ivZxdM4eWT_vJDwnT-NmGsXZ-2sFNMxF2RfZRCi6Gi2_y X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Only if it's still available new. While we can suggest older radios which have AM stereo as part of the picture, the public really needs to be able to look for new ones. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? Hi Scott and guys. The one radio that would be a good start would be the Sony SRF A300 AM Stereo FM Stereo radio FM tuned to north america and AM tune up to 1700. Jim Smith --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Feb 05 15:26:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77770 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 23:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 23:26:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 23:26:48 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KXE000VE6GKKVN0@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:26:47 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <009e01caa6ba$acc5c310$6800a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <710581.72028.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000e01caa6a4$1baab4a0$6800a8c0@B> <019501caa6b6$438181e0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:26:42 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=q76jo_99x3gP8Cp0MtXjZ45yzSDeDs3Gyi-VZWe7SwNIM1cWpbjUroQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wouldn't say the same about WLW-700 Bogdan From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada You may get the transmitter itself cheap, assuming it's not all that new, but add the towers and the land and you're probably going to need a lot of money. If this station was shut down not that long ago it's entirely possible everything is still standing. Have you tried contacting the station owners about what they'd want for all of it? One thing working in your favor is even when an AM facility goes dark like this, the Canadian government still lays international claim to protection of the coverage areas. A lot of US broadcasters curse that provision as a lot of them could use less complicated directional antennas if those weren't in place. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Philippe ... Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada While CINF-690 passed away, they just gave the licenese to our CRTC WITHOUT destroying the transmitter, so we can have it for CHEAP, no ? I never heard on the TV news of the 690/940 towers being destroyed during the switch off shortly after 7 PM ! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 05 15:48:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36222 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2010 23:48:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Feb 2010 23:48:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2010 23:48:30 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.212] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100205174821002250800010.0) with SMTP id <20100205174821002250800010> for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:48:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <024401caa6be$5151e8c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <710581.72028.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000e01caa6a4$1baab4a0$6800a8c0@B> <019501caa6b6$438181e0$d503fea9@stodd> <009e01caa6ba$acc5c310$6800a8c0@B> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:48:21 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=-pPutX6sruoIQKEcrtB86LcuoV3uCCQIGXLA6bOU13kO9g8CIjhe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They've always been a clear channel so they don't count. Lots of smaller US stations have to have more towers than they'd otherwise need protecting Canadian stations that no longer exist. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:26 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada I wouldn't say the same about WLW-700 Bogdan From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada You may get the transmitter itself cheap, assuming it's not all that new, but add the towers and the land and you're probably going to need a lot of money. If this station was shut down not that long ago it's entirely possible everything is still standing. Have you tried contacting the station owners about what they'd want for all of it? One thing working in your favor is even when an AM facility goes dark like this, the Canadian government still lays international claim to protection of the coverage areas. A lot of US broadcasters curse that provision as a lot of them could use less complicated directional antennas if those weren't in place. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Philippe ... Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada While CINF-690 passed away, they just gave the licenese to our CRTC WITHOUT destroying the transmitter, so we can have it for CHEAP, no ? I never heard on the TV news of the 690/940 towers being destroyed during the switch off shortly after 7 PM ! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Feb 05 16:08:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85069 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2010 00:08:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2010 00:08:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2010 00:08:07 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KXE00J3T8DGMM80@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:08:06 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <00bf01caa6c0$734d7c30$6800a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <710581.72028.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000e01caa6a4$1baab4a0$6800a8c0@B> <019501caa6b6$438181e0$d503fea9@stodd> <009e01caa6ba$acc5c310$6800a8c0@B> <024401caa6be$5151e8c0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:08:02 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=LhivW9qgzJwCO8jd65ls983JXIu92mWyVJTcwHSO0M2-Q2KqNKW2bsI X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will try calling them the next week... I have been stuck at home with a huge flu, spending my time chatting on the web voiceless... I have pain on the voice when talking or singing, so I have to avoid those things for the moment. May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada They've always been a clear channel so they don't count. Lots of smaller US stations have to have more towers than they'd otherwise need protecting Canadian stations that no longer exist. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:26 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada I wouldn't say the same about WLW-700 Bogdan From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada You may get the transmitter itself cheap, assuming it's not all that new, but add the towers and the land and you're probably going to need a lot of money. If this station was shut down not that long ago it's entirely possible everything is still standing. Have you tried contacting the station owners about what they'd want for all of it? One thing working in your favor is even when an AM facility goes dark like this, the Canadian government still lays international claim to protection of the coverage areas. A lot of US broadcasters curse that provision as a lot of them could use less complicated directional antennas if those weren't in place. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Philippe ... Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada While CINF-690 passed away, they just gave the licenese to our CRTC WITHOUT destroying the transmitter, so we can have it for CHEAP, no ? I never heard on the TV news of the 690/940 towers being destroyed during the switch off shortly after 7 PM ! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 05 16:20:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13093 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2010 00:20:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2010 00:20:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2010 00:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.212] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100205182013000096700011.0) with SMTP id <20100205182013000096700011> for ; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:20:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <029301caa6c2$c4699340$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <710581.72028.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000e01caa6a4$1baab4a0$6800a8c0@B> <019501caa6b6$438181e0$d503fea9@stodd> <009e01caa6ba$acc5c310$6800a8c0@B> <024401caa6be$5151e8c0$d503fea9@stodd> <00bf01caa6c0$734d7c30$6800a8c0@B> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:20:13 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=98QsPNEGApgn4h09RQgbF12lY0yFS5aZpQi4tpDkowGY2UNA0029 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get well soon, fellow AM stereo warrior. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada I will try calling them the next week... I have been stuck at home with a huge flu, spending my time chatting on the web voiceless... I have pain on the voice when talking or singing, so I have to avoid those things for the moment. May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada They've always been a clear channel so they don't count. Lots of smaller US stations have to have more towers than they'd otherwise need protecting Canadian stations that no longer exist. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:26 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada I wouldn't say the same about WLW-700 Bogdan From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada You may get the transmitter itself cheap, assuming it's not all that new, but add the towers and the land and you're probably going to need a lot of money. If this station was shut down not that long ago it's entirely possible everything is still standing. Have you tried contacting the station owners about what they'd want for all of it? One thing working in your favor is even when an AM facility goes dark like this, the Canadian government still lays international claim to protection of the coverage areas. A lot of US broadcasters curse that provision as a lot of them could use less complicated directional antennas if those weren't in place. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Philippe ... Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada While CINF-690 passed away, they just gave the licenese to our CRTC WITHOUT destroying the transmitter, so we can have it for CHEAP, no ? I never heard on the TV news of the 690/940 towers being destroyed during the switch off shortly after 7 PM ! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Feb 05 16:39:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9916 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2010 00:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2010 00:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2010 00:39:18 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from MirelaPC ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KXE00LBO9T6YH40@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:39:08 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <1D976C5F58FA496BB325278D2D75241D@MirelaPC> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <710581.72028.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000e01caa6a4$1baab4a0$6800a8c0@B> <019501caa6b6$438181e0$d503fea9@stodd> <009e01caa6ba$acc5c310$6800a8c0@B> <024401caa6be$5151e8c0$d503fea9@stodd> <00bf01caa6c0$734d7c30$6800a8c0@B> <029301caa6c2$c4699340$d503fea9@stodd> In-reply-to: <029301caa6c2$c4699340$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:39:06 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mirela Chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=whWG6ve6FPHlL-QhA54K866atduX97dCu4_BYIPn6_8qhOaXllC-4Gw X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for those kind words ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:20 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada Get well soon, fellow AM stereo warrior. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:08 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada I will try calling them the next week... I have been stuck at home with a huge flu, spending my time chatting on the web voiceless... I have pain on the voice when talking or singing, so I have to avoid those things for the moment. May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada They've always been a clear channel so they don't count. Lots of smaller US stations have to have more towers than they'd otherwise need protecting Canadian stations that no longer exist. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:26 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada I wouldn't say the same about WLW-700 Bogdan From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:50 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada You may get the transmitter itself cheap, assuming it's not all that new, but add the towers and the land and you're probably going to need a lot of money. If this station was shut down not that long ago it's entirely possible everything is still standing. Have you tried contacting the station owners about what they'd want for all of it? One thing working in your favor is even when an AM facility goes dark like this, the Canadian government still lays international claim to protection of the coverage areas. A lot of US broadcasters curse that provision as a lot of them could use less complicated directional antennas if those weren't in place. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: Philippe ... Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada While CINF-690 passed away, they just gave the licenese to our CRTC WITHOUT destroying the transmitter, so we can have it for CHEAP, no ? I never heard on the TV news of the 690/940 towers being destroyed during the switch off shortly after 7 PM ! --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 05 17:45:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49810 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2010 01:45:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2010 01:45:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2010 01:45:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 93227 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2010 01:45:35 -0000 Message-ID: <867333.92117.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: GbEhA6EVM1meuXiiFTd9cxU3a3a4WYxcsUQsqHk3wxoOoPqgj0jB2H.RwxmzjyEBOVoF2hlbuTcpWKHw2nEQzMZgD4Ko30Ni3C6aTAj1D7uBlJxNvmcaOiejvdsDshVPbA3LX.YennuDMRQSMTD4tIwCTn5hG7qmtG2hQf10oJQBHu0ckFeTJjduqKj2xm2i1Slps9QbyJbx.wrXXOFnLLxEOgJATfYHUi3pE1C1ogpzTA8Wqu_y7isjPLX0e.wB5oqylIPbD6L_t4inFMfVLimp9sDJ8CEUyrxRKmOXLV_d2d97EA1bb7X_qHLPnAqPYn1QgoHqNs61HchhKm3tGwox2ghilrTPBWXUsimKaNzTSCep4lEaD2ES7mTnVaKjeHeY9U8RyXcIPJoXZeh2pScWI7eCy8I9l6BHQRh6MJjgyXtHjzq4FKwAT4KBZcl103X7g5jOOWPvqDcf4H6dPTaYzmuw2L1..nAJCdQqjr.nSLBnjPjQtvAFfoQlTPDh70sYee78eKBJQU7IlI1MvuD584M3FDWxwfsrQoi3dCOgmxLPSdbcyTbDcxY0XivBbx2qFwtNDY5v7rT2T_PeabYGQ5qpBTHHGdjvCya7UbUP83ozR5QIV8z6Q2blJ0PLLdaolDr3.qhlDLeMM9Dh95kvUV5Kdp9GZH2JRi8QUYb15fRUIXVy8.XO15ien9r5y1Rt7QTRMVhVbeTooeckrNAqyTPcDUlOe9Rhva1rLUjQOEyPUCX4IZ5NuyjpZGV1Zs.OrFq_q3NAvGM6UMu8X53e17EPdb33k6.ixR2SRMhJFopLqBCPxB5XNuCtqJZ9LCbDdUmqGnUGB_h_4Vb3Cnk52Azag..zAYYsrruxqZwTQXHgTHuBZ9anXMJWxeNmV1FilLiAk5Y.hbdZC.A.tdC3u2.7gtTT2aMCrWeh4qZLYvaqh86feaHLexGgfoOq5IjKieaDqWXvIxR3H_j783r_SSKh1.so3GJkRehcdKYkCcUNsnEynBUtDA0nUid3a1DMYYRjABPDukI3vvDm6lNcGdn7xcqyX7wgVBtfYJzVB7VYzfhuZiQw88qTH.DP1IdKyv5sxM4j7sNJ0fAj0j0a.uOXMY627KELaiePrrB.5EyjAV1BWcdeaMTYszF9MQk6tmgw9cRqNuvHPeznnrwvwZ6kvlwaUP7PTJlWJSUiv73RWNGH5sMCrkx4noUUS3mMxqUs7kABo0XMnjmKUGrFcZPmlRLxckoH3zNNDADmHBTHjnUAYyh1tnkgIc9AlLwqxD52NjyVH2XB7qJuTG3qTr2Nao6zT8qf1XOR3YV_VMf6zTGo2Enxs7U- X-Received: from [72.70.23.224] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:45:35 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:45:35 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000e01caa6a4$1baab4a0$6800a8c0@B> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=JuJezzp6vVTsfsIfI6MBxkNd8TCpz4O6cxrCGdOypkqtL2ekN9Bn X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In Canada, you have to seek approval from BOTH the CRTC AND Industry Canada= , correct?=C2=A0 I imagine there will be some competition for 690.=C2=A0 Wa= sn't 850 also used at one point?=C2=A0 An interesting frequency (if you can= 't get 690) to get would be 530.=C2=A0 From what I know of that frequency, = it's allowable for a station in Canada although I believe it's a class C wi= th 1kW-Day/250W-Night.=C2=A0 Still, 530 is the best frequency you could hav= e because of its long wavelength. So, you've got to tell us: what is French for stereo? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (V31VQ will get renewed @ some point I imagine) --- On Fri, 2/5/10, aurel chiochiu wrote: From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Philippe ..." Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:45 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Thanks for such a quick and complete reply ! I'll keep looking for it... In the mean time, I'm forwarding this message t= o RADIO PIRATE, not a pirate radio maniac, but a maniac of eclectic program= ming. .. It is now or never ! While CINF-690 passed away, they just gave the licenese to our CRTC WITHOUT= destroying the transmitter, so we can have it for CHEAP, no ? I never hear= d on the TV news of the 690/940 towers being destroyed during the switch of= f shortly after 7 PM ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu (in the future territory of Aventure 69 C-Quam) Btw.: This is what pushed me to become involved in broadcasting. I gave up = on college a few months ago, at the University, I found my place only to a = limited extent, I passed a test on a radio for becoming a jock and they nev= er saw such an inventive weather forecast, but most important of all it's f= or the rebranding of a radio station (in France) that might have better luc= k in Canada, because HERE all the stations are copycat at each others... By= the way, they told me I'm about to change the world of radio in the provin= ce of Quebec, that I will do things that nobody did before like playing Thi= erry Cham instead of Boum Desjardins in heavy rotation and focussing on Fre= nch language music from elsewhere, not only French Canadian. Rythme FM is a= copycat of CKOI, CKOI is a copycat of NRJ... After hearing this http://www= .youtube. com/watch? v=3DLHZe2bNJW7k. I don't know of any radio fan who wou= ldn't become a C-Quam supporter after watching this video ! It sounds better than FM ! In France, they were so many stations in 1988 targeting t= he youth, that the one I listened to at the time never would have had any l= uck, though it had a killer potential. Here is why I suddenly want to becom= e a broadcaster ! Very few people actually cared about it, so using its jin= gles and station liners and the brand new 690 C-Quam stereo will not distur= b anyone, you can see below how I will receive them... I even saw a medium = who told me I will be involved in a project, albeit not a huge one, before = the end of 2010, but a project that will allow me to meet many new people. 02-02-2010 21:51:41 Thierry 92=20 Invit=C3=A9=20 Courriel=20 Re: =C3=A9change de k7 Aventure FM Bonjour le fada de l'Aventure jusqu'au bout des ondes :-) En tant qu'ancien de cette " aventure " , j'ai nombre des tr=C3=A9sors que = tu recherches ! Contacte si ca te chante ! Th M a.. Signaler |=20 b.. Citer If anyone here is collecting airchecks, I could send you some copies of it = once I receive them.=20 I try to be realistic, but it's beyond me, never had been before an opportu= nity to do a station cheaper than before with CORUS QUEBEC paying the fees.= Now it's time to see who will pay the fees, I hope Le sorcier is reading t= his. From: John P.=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Cc: Sotiris Papadimitriou=20 Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada Aurel wrote: "...Any chance the CRTC will not disregard C-Quam ? Is C-Quam = used only by CFCO nowadays ? Is the CRTC still licensing new C-Quam broadca= sters ?..." Canada ONLY allows the use of C-Quam for AM stereo and does NOT permit IBOC= , and there were several C-Quam stations on the Western provinces of Canada= pumping out 50KW stereo for several years, and a few might still be. 2nd: there are at least two ways to get C-Quam on the air - you can purchas= e what we refer to as the "Alfredo Lite" designed by Alfredo T. and built i= n the USA by our friend Chris Cuff in New York State. These appear on eBay = from time to time and run around $100-$150 each. The other way is to purchase a C-Quam AM Stereo transmitter from our friend= Sotiris of ASPiSYS in Greece. He make a "Part 15" C-Quam transmitter for u= se here, and a more powerful version for licensed amateur radio operators w= ho can use this in AM mode on the 160meter ham radio band! He also now has = a much more powerful unit for 'broadcasters' . Contact Sotiris at the ASPiS= YS website and he can help you out, or look at some of his items on eBay. 73's John K8DAD (in CFCO territory) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Fri Feb 05 18:03:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94008 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2010 02:03:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2010 02:03:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2010 02:03:57 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KXE00JYHDQILJ00@VL-MH-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:03:57 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <000a01caa6d0$a2176110$6800a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <867333.92117.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:03:53 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=7-Q5kHJ62wdyb_E-NSBPjcyJ6Cb676ambbjzlSx3vE_B5L-nYRfvWTQ X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable St=C3=A9r=C3=A9o with acute accent on both e ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada =20=20=20=20 In Canada, you have to seek approval from BOTH the CRTC AND Industry Cana= da, correct? I imagine there will be some competition for 690. Wasn't 850= also used at one point? An interesting frequency (if you can't get 690) t= o get would be 530. From what I know of that frequency, it's allowable for= a station in Canada although I believe it's a class C with 1kW-Day/250W-Ni= ght. Still, 530 is the best frequency you could have because of its long w= avelength. So, you've got to tell us: what is French for stereo? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 (V31VQ will get renewed @ some point I imagine) --- On Fri, 2/5/10, aurel chiochiu wrote: From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: "Philippe ..." Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 3:45 PM =20=20=20 Thanks for such a quick and complete reply ! I'll keep looking for it... In the mean time, I'm forwarding this message= to RADIO PIRATE, not a pirate radio maniac, but a maniac of eclectic progr= amming. .. It is now or never ! While CINF-690 passed away, they just gave the licenese to our CRTC WITHO= UT destroying the transmitter, so we can have it for CHEAP, no ? I never he= ard on the TV news of the 690/940 towers being destroyed during the switch = off shortly after 7 PM ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu (in the future territory of Aventure 69 C-Quam) Btw.: This is what pushed me to become involved in broadcasting. I gave u= p on college a few months ago, at the University, I found my place only to = a limited extent, I passed a test on a radio for becoming a jock and they n= ever saw such an inventive weather forecast, but most important of all it's= for the rebranding of a radio station (in France) that might have better l= uck in Canada, because HERE all the stations are copycat at each others... = By the way, they told me I'm about to change the world of radio in the prov= ince of Quebec, that I will do things that nobody did before like playing T= hierry Cham instead of Boum Desjardins in heavy rotation and focussing on F= rench language music from elsewhere, not only French Canadian. Rythme FM is= a copycat of CKOI, CKOI is a copycat of NRJ... After hearing this http://w= ww.youtube. com/watch? v=3DLHZe2bNJW7k. I don't know of any radio fan who w= ouldn't become a C-Quam supporter after watching this video ! It sounds better than FM ! In France, they were so many stations in 1988 targeting = the youth, that the one I listened to at the time never would have had any = luck, though it had a killer potential. Here is why I suddenly want to beco= me a broadcaster ! Very few people actually cared about it, so using its ji= ngles and station liners and the brand new 690 C-Quam stereo will not distu= rb anyone, you can see below how I will receive them... I even saw a medium= who told me I will be involved in a project, albeit not a huge one, before= the end of 2010, but a project that will allow me to meet many new people. 02-02-2010 21:51:41 Thierry 92=20 Invit=C3=A9=20 Courriel=20 Re: =C3=A9change de k7 Aventure FM Bonjour le fada de l'Aventure jusqu'au bout des ondes :-) En tant qu'ancien de cette " aventure " , j'ai nombre des tr=C3=A9sors qu= e tu recherches ! Contacte si ca te chante ! Th M a.. Signaler |=20 b.. Citer If anyone here is collecting airchecks, I could send you some copies of i= t once I receive them.=20 I try to be realistic, but it's beyond me, never had been before an oppor= tunity to do a station cheaper than before with CORUS QUEBEC paying the fee= s. Now it's time to see who will pay the fees, I hope Le sorcier is reading= this. From: John P.=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Cc: Sotiris Papadimitriou=20 Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: {AMSF} Putting C-Quam on the Air in Canada Aurel wrote: "...Any chance the CRTC will not disregard C-Quam ? Is C-Qua= m used only by CFCO nowadays ? Is the CRTC still licensing new C-Quam broad= casters ?..." Canada ONLY allows the use of C-Quam for AM stereo and does NOT permit IB= OC, and there were several C-Quam stations on the Western provinces of Cana= da pumping out 50KW stereo for several years, and a few might still be. 2nd: there are at least two ways to get C-Quam on the air - you can purch= ase what we refer to as the "Alfredo Lite" designed by Alfredo T. and built= in the USA by our friend Chris Cuff in New York State. These appear on eBa= y from time to time and run around $100-$150 each. The other way is to purchase a C-Quam AM Stereo transmitter from our frie= nd Sotiris of ASPiSYS in Greece. He make a "Part 15" C-Quam transmitter for= use here, and a more powerful version for licensed amateur radio operators= who can use this in AM mode on the 160meter ham radio band! He also now ha= s a much more powerful unit for 'broadcasters' . Contact Sotiris at the ASP= iSYS website and he can help you out, or look at some of his items on eBay. 73's John K8DAD (in CFCO territory) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 05 20:01:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67467 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2010 04:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2010 04:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2010 04:01:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2010 04:01:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2010 04:01:50 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 04:01:49 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <016101caa6b3$d2aa1880$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.120 From: "jotape1960" Subject: {AMSF} Re: WIRY-1340 & 690 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=6TRxngkofB77dJUqLmupazWnd4FNV2tc4LH_bsmzIQKYR1BQbg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Yes, you're right. I've read about it, but I don't understand why. Isn't PD= M from the digital family technique? Wouldn't we expect more stability from= it? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > This is a problem with a lot of modern PDM transmitters as well. Harris = exciters even had a compensating circuit for use with their Gates and SX se= ries transmitters because of this. The Nautel ND series works well with st= ereo, though.=20=20 >=20 > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jotape1960=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:45 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: WIRY-1340 & 690 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 > Theorically, just theorically, a C-QUAM exciter can be connected to any= AM TX. >=20 > BUT... Most of the old vacuum tubes, plate modulated AM TX don't have e= nough good IQM (Incidental Quadratute Modulation) performance, which means = some problems with the final stereo separation. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 05 20:07:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86652 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2010 04:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2010 04:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2010 04:07:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2010 04:07:32 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2010 04:07:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 04:07:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001701caa688$df3a1850$6800a8c0@B> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.55.120 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: WIRY-1340 & 690 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=N_EaA3ZpUAPCeWrutB0Aq1seE_IkJvXPTBRdjmvsW_-bMgaJfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Good for you!!! Just a doubt: you're talking about daytime (groundwave). What about the nig= htime? Are you enough close to them as to get an strong signal? It is intended to get something from you (and free, hahahahaha): Why don't = you record some air-check from them and put it on the Files menu of the for= um? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, aurel chiochiu wrote: > > I just heard the electric guitar explosing on the left while the voice of= the country-rock singer was powerful in the right... Thanks to Paul Karlst= rand of Australia for making this dream come true... This is the only way o= f hearing stereo this Plattsburg fringy semi-local ! >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu, future owner of Aventure FM and the proud owner of the S= ony CFS6000 purchassed from EBay > Friday, February 05, 2010 12:26 PM > Subject: WIRY-1340 & 690 >=20 >=20 > Warm greetings ! >=20 > Right now, on stable daytime groundwave, I'm enjoying a clear and decen= t C-Quam signal from WIRY on 1340 kHz here in Pierrefonds... Very excited != I'm hearing the bass clearer in one speaker and the organ clearer in the o= ther one... Wow ! The Sony CFS6000 really works after all those years (the = one found on EBay)... >=20 > Now, I could use this receiver to monitor my own 690 signal... How a C-= Quam exciter works ? I mean, can I install a C-Quam exciter to the Ch=E2tea= ugay/Kahnawake tx or do i need a brand new transmitter ? >=20 > I have a huge radio project ahead ! >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu / Bogdan l'aventurier >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Feb 06 13:26:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88513 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2010 21:26:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2010 21:26:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f226.google.com) (209.85.217.226) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2010 21:26:43 -0000 X-Received: by gxk26 with SMTP id 26so9689gxk.13 for ; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:26:42 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.192.18 with SMTP id u18mr3368324anp.75.1265491601839; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:26:41 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.12? (75-138-48-110.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com [75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm1777832gxk.12.2010.02.06.13.26.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:26:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B6DDE92.6020007@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:26:42 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com, amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Broadcasters' Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.226 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Got Married! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=_VEO9TrgGsiJbkQoZeKvbGYFHoZloDtEqqdc8mgnNIp8VYBkP-V_CcrOTIBYeA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Jennifer and I have grown closer and closer in our friendship, then became Lovers, and we decided we want to spend the rest of our lives together. So today, we Eloped and got Married. We both decided this was best for everybody due to the expense of a big Church Wedding, and other practical reasons. We are going to sneak off to the country for our Honeymoon in my Class B RV. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From dwtpa97@verizon.net Sat Feb 06 13:30:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dwtpa97@verizon.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4272 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2010 21:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2010 21:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO vms173005pub.verizon.net) (206.46.173.5) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2010 21:30:46 -0000 X-Received: from your4dacd0ea75 ([unknown] [96.228.140.43]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0KXF00BNJVR7H5X9@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:30:45 -0600 (CST) Message-id: To: References: <4B6DDE92.6020007@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:30:45 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 206.46.173.5 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Dick W." Reply-To: "Dick W." Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got Married! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=308061464 X-Yahoo-Profile: dwtpa97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations! May you have a great life together. Dick W. ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com ; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com ; Broadcasters' Mailing List Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: {AMSF} Got Married! Jennifer and I have grown closer and closer in our friendship, then became Lovers, and we decided we want to spend the rest of our lives together. So today, we Eloped and got Married. We both decided this was best for everybody due to the expense of a big Church Wedding, and other practical reasons. We are going to sneak off to the country for our Honeymoon in my Class B RV. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Sat Feb 06 14:01:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23024 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2010 22:01:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2010 22:01:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2010 22:01:15 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KXF0055EX62QO50@VL-MR-MR002.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:01:14 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <002201caa777$e52da0c0$6800a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <4B6DDE92.6020007@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:01:11 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got Married! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=ozpkIZlWQaqoclIdIks55PuKJ-xsGPIkLc51YOJM-OcTQ3oM8cwFA2k X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations ! I'm about to see the movie ADAM which is about weird people like us getting married; has anyone already saw it -> the video DVD just became available in Canada ! May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan From: kj4hyd To: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com ; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com ; Broadcasters' Mailing List Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: {AMSF} Got Married! Jennifer and I have grown closer and closer in our friendship, then became Lovers, and we decided we want to spend the rest of our lives together. So today, we Eloped and got Married. We both decided this was best for everybody due to the expense of a big Church Wedding, and other practical reasons. We are going to sneak off to the country for our Honeymoon in my Class B RV. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Feb 06 14:07:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48420 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2010 22:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2010 22:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2010 22:07:01 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.163] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100206160639003065700010.0) with SMTP id <20100206160639003065700010> for ; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:06:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003901caa779$46dab460$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <4B6DDE92.6020007@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:06:39 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got Married! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=h8OmjnbngVhawYs2L4-GiR1H7Mde75vX65X6HVlUriFkoJ4s_VaU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What did you go and do something like that for???!!! (Just kidding!) Congratulations to the both of you. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com ; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com ; Broadcasters' Mailing List Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:26 PM Subject: {AMSF} Got Married! Jennifer and I have grown closer and closer in our friendship, then became Lovers, and we decided we want to spend the rest of our lives together. So today, we Eloped and got Married. We both decided this was best for everybody due to the expense of a big Church Wedding, and other practical reasons. We are going to sneak off to the country for our Honeymoon in my Class B RV. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Feb 06 15:09:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47913 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2010 23:09:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2010 23:09:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2010 23:09:26 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o16N9Aq6021841; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 18:09:11 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id t.c99.625eef42 (43975); Sat, 6 Feb 2010 18:09:09 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com [205.188.170.3]) by cia-dd03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD038-d3ae4b6df68c21c; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:09:08 -0500 X-Received: from magic-m16.mail.aol.com (magic-m16.mail.aol.com [172.21.188.208]) by smtprly-dc03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDC034-d3ae4b6df68c21c; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:09:00 -0500 Message-ID: <2f2a8.6d7afc05.389f508c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 18:09:00 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, amradiodx@yahoogroups.com, broadcast@radiolists.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.188.208 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got Married! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=gYoqlVX95FaQf5-5UzBalO6s9gmZYKAR7W7vM1s6V1svAuDKZaEfQLJi07znLYWW X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations to both Jennifer and you. May you both live long and prosper. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mtgc@hotmail.com Sat Feb 06 19:32:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: mtgc@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48560 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2010 03:32:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2010 03:32:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO snt0-omc4-s30.snt0.hotmail.com) (65.55.90.233) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2010 03:32:39 -0000 X-Received: from SNT105-W18 ([65.55.90.200]) by snt0-omc4-s30.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:32:39 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: mtgc@hotmail.com To: AM Stereo Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:32:39 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B6DDE92.6020007@gmail.com> References: <4B6DDE92.6020007@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2010 03:32:39.0362 (UTC) FILETIME=[32E2E220:01CAA7A6] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.90.233 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: MTGC CONSULTING MICHAEL UPTON - CEO Subject: RE: {AMSF} Got Married! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=166074919; y=39TdKb_0YvPzA6xnwNpGfk_78SIbnNxc3l000VY9Zn9jfRCtfjxd X-Yahoo-Profile: mtgc09161948 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations to the both of you! May your days be filled with wonder an= d your nights with pleasure. =20 Michael WA4ALA To: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; broadcast@rad= iolists.net From: kj4hyd@gmail.com Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:26:42 -0500 Subject: {AMSF} Got Married! =20=20 Jennifer and I have grown closer and closer in our friendship, then became Lovers, and we decided we want to spend the rest of our lives together. So today, we Eloped and got Married. We both decided this was best for everybody due to the expense of a big Church Wedding, and other practical reasons. We are going to sneak off to the country for our Honeymoon in my Class B RV. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Feb 07 21:35:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8241 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2010 05:31:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2010 05:31:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f197.google.com) (209.85.211.197) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2010 05:31:24 -0000 X-Received: by ywh35 with SMTP id 35so5138860ywh.21 for ; Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:31:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.132.3 with SMTP id j3mr7520902ann.71.1265607084399; Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:31:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm1292844yxe.1.2010.02.07.21.31.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Feb 2010 21:31:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00d301caa87f$f3a3c630$4a00a8c0@xppro> To: References: <01cc01caa6b9$29f89d00$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 00:31:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Cnpw-LknHlDPdsh9NsbnnrSZ47tedbrQA-yrIo6x-BsWa8Lyll96 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit why couldn't some one create a softra version of it? sdr radio? how would some one go on creating a modual ? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? Only if it's still available new. While we can suggest older radios which have AM stereo as part of the picture, the public really needs to be able to look for new ones. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? Hi Scott and guys. The one radio that would be a good start would be the Sony SRF A300 AM Stereo FM Stereo radio FM tuned to north america and AM tune up to 1700. Jim Smith --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Feb 07 22:06:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63686 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2010 06:06:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2010 06:06:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f179.google.com) (209.85.210.179) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2010 06:06:00 -0000 X-Received: by yxe9 with SMTP id 9so1257517yxe.23 for ; Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:05:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.151.29.7 with SMTP id g7mr8118157ybj.246.1265609159664; Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:05:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (97-115-194-53.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.194.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm1301766yxd.27.2010.02.07.22.05.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:05:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <013501caa884$c67d4b90$4a00a8c0@xppro> To: References: <4B6DDE92.6020007@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 01:05:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Got Married! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=-1ssvGkKm8rFPn7EYkH6NNaKnVtic7y8yQIlsaHfl3u79eHuA-qG X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit congrads dude Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amradiodx@yahoogroups.com ; amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com ; Broadcasters' Mailing List Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: {AMSF} Got Married! Jennifer and I have grown closer and closer in our friendship, then became Lovers, and we decided we want to spend the rest of our lives together. So today, we Eloped and got Married. We both decided this was best for everybody due to the expense of a big Church Wedding, and other practical reasons. We are going to sneak off to the country for our Honeymoon in my Class B RV. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Mon Feb 08 06:57:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77205 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2010 14:57:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2010 14:57:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2010 14:57:29 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-4.01 (built Aug 3 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KXJ00GXT2SVMVQ1@VL-MO-MR005.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:55:44 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <00a401caa8ce$c969e490$6800a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <000a01caa626$12c5a030$6800a8c0@B> <012f01caa6b2$9cd56260$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:55:42 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} C-Quam exciter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=JZLknqnGjONrucHGYwOkw7j8QPqoCiX6MWLrqjZMlBR-oXoVtrnUuEM X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Acomoclitism (from Greek ???? =3D hair, negation prefix ?-, and ???????? = =3D having a preference, from ??????? =3D to lean, ?????? =3D a slope) is t= he technical May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu Btw.: Here in Quebec, the only parapsychological related show went dark sev= eral years ago... It was Le Bonhomme de 8 heures with Marc-Andr=E9 Labrosse= on the former CKMF 94.3. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Feb 08 09:15:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67149 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2010 17:15:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2010 17:15:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2010 17:15:52 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFZATXNABQ4WB2 for (sender ); Mon, 8 Feb 2010 09:15:24 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9UZPzezxXBjnzdBRb514Ms= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P59X9UGU; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:14:29 PST X-Received: from [76.194.246.161] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:14:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 17:14:16 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100208.091416.29294.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-UNTD-BodySize: 2250 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2480830639 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=_DR9BZQkr81Kxez0S10-qif1bzkr2oa_QCAe_EHVug X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn =E2=80=9CThe time has arrived for the FCC to approach the Canadian and Mexi= can governments=E2=80=9D about AM frequencies=E2=80=A6 =E2=80=A6says GA-Carolina Radiocasting CEO and AM-band fan Art Sutton. His = response about Corus shutting down 50-kw =E2=80=9CCanadian clears=E2=80=9D = CINF (690) and CINW (940) in Montreal looks both north of the border and so= uth. He argues that many Canadian and Mexican AMs are leaving the band for = FM. So =E2=80=9Cwhy should U.S. stations which operate on the channels (540= , 690, 730, 740, 800, 860, 900, 940, 990, 1010, 1050, 1220, 1550 and 1580) = be required to protect a silent frequency? At present, U.S. stations operat= ing on these channels must protect the nearest border to Mexico and/or Cana= da.=E2=80=9D Sutton says =E2=80=9CIt would seem the time has arrived for th= e FCC or the appropriate governmental agency to approach both the Canadian = and Mexican governments about a relaxing of the protection to their clear c= hannels. If not a total elimination of those protection levels, perhaps pro= tection levels to their interference free nighttime contours. Obviously the= United States will continue to operate on the AM band long after Mexico an= d Canada have left for FM. It's no longer fair, and the United States must = protect their AM clear channel frequencies.=E2=80=9D=20 When Montreal=E2=80=99s 940 went dark, you could hear a Massachusetts stati= on in Canada. It's been reported that the chief engineer at Montreal=E2=80=99s CINW (940)= called the U.S. station to say he was picking up WGFP, Webster, MA. And WG= FP has nowhere near the signal of the signed-off 50,000 watt CINW =E2=80=93= it=E2=80=99s licensed for 1,000 watts daytime and 4 watts at night. But wi= th the right ground conductivity and no co-channel interference, it can tra= vel great distances. These =E2=80=9CCanadian clear=E2=80=9D sign-offs are a= reminder of how the radio dial worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, before th= e FCC began licensing many local AMs when the World War II freeze was lifte= d. In the 1930s it was common to listen to stations hundreds of miles away.= Nashville=E2=80=99s WSM at 650 and Cincinnati=E2=80=99s WLW at 700 blanket= ed much of the population of the U.S. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Feb 08 11:02:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65393 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2010 18:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2010 18:59:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2010 18:59:42 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.76] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100208125925002449300011.0) with SMTP id <20100208125925002449300011> for ; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:59:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002c01caa8f1$7601e1e0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <01cc01caa6b9$29f89d00$d503fea9@stodd> <00d301caa87f$f3a3c630$4a00a8c0@xppro> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:59:25 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=5L9onHBEh5yIh9TVhoVW7MgmF0ihxYzZiynQSWQeRyfTn4GIwu5H X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a fine suggestion, Hank. Problem is I don't SDRs aren't all that plentiful, at least not yet. The software code to do CQUAM already exists. I do have a few folks I could ask about SDRs, though. It's really too bad the majority of radios aren't SDR as they'd be nearly obsolete-proof. I think of the digital situations both here and in Australia. Many may think they have it good now, but let a better system be developed and they won't be able to take advantage of it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:35 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Which AM Stereo System would have been most popular? why couldn't some one create a softra version of it? sdr radio? how would some one go on creating a modual ? Hank ----- Original Message ----- --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From acq@videotron.ca Mon Feb 08 19:54:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: acq@videotron.ca X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33012 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2010 03:54:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2010 03:54:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO relais.videotron.ca) (24.201.245.36) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2010 03:54:00 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 X-Received: from B ([70.81.103.93]) by VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0KXK00IM42TUYGI0@VL-MR-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:53:56 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <002001caa93b$7fd572a0$6800a8c0@B> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <20100208.091416.29294.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:53:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3598 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Originating-IP: 24.201.245.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: aurel chiochiu Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130888599; y=3lzvbQRSHt3hFzXLQPR9dwEKfXPHSqwa6rwiVhb8V9FY7Prskrxt2UU X-Yahoo-Profile: bogdanchiochiu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's not so, why I can null out WLW 700 to some extent to hear Cuba and Col= ombia, 940 is jammed fullclock by WEPN 950... Why they're not talking abotu IBOC here ? May the good DX be with you ! Bogdan Chiochiu From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 12:14 PM Subject: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, =20=20=20=20 =E2=80=9CThe time has arrived for the FCC to approach the Canadian and Me= xican governments=E2=80=9D about AM frequencies=E2=80=A6 =E2=80=A6says GA-Carolina Radiocasting CEO and AM-band fan Art Sutton. Hi= s response about Corus shutting down 50-kw =E2=80=9CCanadian clears=E2=80= =9D CINF (690) and CINW (940) in Montreal looks both north of the border an= d south. He argues that many Canadian and Mexican AMs are leaving the band = for FM. So =E2=80=9Cwhy should U.S. stations which operate on the channels = (540, 690, 730, 740, 800, 860, 900, 940, 990, 1010, 1050, 1220, 1550 and 15= 80) be required to protect a silent frequency? At present, U.S. stations op= erating on these channels must protect the nearest border to Mexico and/or = Canada.=E2=80=9D Sutton says =E2=80=9CIt would seem the time has arrived fo= r the FCC or the appropriate governmental agency to approach both the Canad= ian and Mexican governments about a relaxing of the protection to their cle= ar channels. If not a total elimination of those protection levels, perhaps= protection levels to their interference free nighttime contours. Obviously= the United States will continue to operate on the AM band long after Mexic= o and Canada have left for FM. It's no longer fair, and the United States m= ust protect their AM clear channel frequencies.=E2=80=9D=20 When Montreal=E2=80=99s 940 went dark, you could hear a Massachusetts sta= tion in Canada. It's been reported that the chief engineer at Montreal=E2=80=99s CINW (94= 0) called the U.S. station to say he was picking up WGFP, Webster, MA. And = WGFP has nowhere near the signal of the signed-off 50,000 watt CINW =E2=80= =93 it=E2=80=99s licensed for 1,000 watts daytime and 4 watts at night. But= with the right ground conductivity and no co-channel interference, it can = travel great distances. These =E2=80=9CCanadian clear=E2=80=9D sign-offs ar= e a reminder of how the radio dial worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, before= the FCC began licensing many local AMs when the World War II freeze was li= fted. In the 1930s it was common to listen to stations hundreds of miles aw= ay. Nashville=E2=80=99s WSM at 650 and Cincinnati=E2=80=99s WLW at 700 blan= keted much of the population of the U.S. =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From keith1226@yahoo.com Mon Feb 08 21:44:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78713 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2010 05:44:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2010 05:44:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2010 05:44:09 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2010 05:44:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2010 05:44:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:44:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002001caa93b$7fd572a0$6800a8c0@B> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.183.112.24 From: "KeithB" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=bjrrsN6uEu4NLwyAXh107Kh6HosHiENTvBv0M6gF-UcJYIJC X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 I think WLW used 100,000 watts of power at one point, before the present li= mit of 50 kw.=20 It'll be a sad day if we lose all the Canadian and Mexican "clears" on the = AM band. The handful of Canadians I can hear most nights help keep me sane.= I still love radio as a medium, but the current state of program content o= n commercial radio in the U.S. is pretty pathetic.=20 73,=20 Keith B. in Seattle --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, aurel chiochiu wrote: > > It's not so, why I can null out WLW 700 to some extent to hear Cuba and C= olombia, 940 is jammed fullclock by WEPN 950... >=20 > Why they're not talking abotu IBOC here ? >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 12:14 PM > Subject: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > =E2=80=9CThe time has arrived for the FCC to approach the Canadian and = Mexican governments=E2=80=9D about AM frequencies=E2=80=A6 >=20 From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Feb 09 07:28:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47987 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2010 15:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2010 15:27:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.83) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2010 15:27:58 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24121 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2010 15:27:57 -0000 Message-ID: <903486.98513.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: bOU04sUVM1krAOiD.rhMq1QfpYX8gOQrv7RN1FlPGMILKx7QGF55fF6ZzMM.Ii36ESuhCL1z.oY9cAto0Mzx8pz.2Gd9P5.UCuo4eaVZ8tbNJj1OGjhceHnXT1vw3IYgBAIfbalaCOdWcYcSXBqGL2d5tfBXe1zVIvHDiyr1YC26sActgXS6ILy06YQ6DKWL614PhS7LbOlfWWr9xrUiFQVLppCsNAdHOVpLaChWiMiLC70fcs4X63IzTWqQvnEwwKS0WpiTVIIG4JOQaqC0XdI2aZxs5VI7QZLeBC0yW8fQ8zJma_qbDQMivEALuRayYIjQHQgYmrcyk3kXJcuhfBw0aiRpVGSlACaMlCyeaelaBQRD6nnVS4gkpOA2Qq5wanb32S7fPC_BDXwy5kydMMGcUQ-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:27:57 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/272.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 07:27:57 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.83 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=-adKxE6WPp6cJltAN7wtFItlV4hE5rrVO6DQEIviyyU X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW No, never that power. They ran 500,000 watts as an experimental transmitter= before WW II, but went back to=A050. That original 50KW still works.=20 Powell =A0 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: KeithB I think WLW used 100,000 watts of power at one point, before the present li= mit of 50 kw.=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Feb 09 07:57:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49387 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2010 15:57:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2010 15:57:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f193.google.com) (209.85.210.193) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2010 15:57:06 -0000 X-Received: by mail-yx0-f193.google.com with SMTP id 31so6895577yxe.21 for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:57:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.91.159.38 with SMTP id l38mr311247ago.57.1265731026393; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:57:06 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.10? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm133229gxk.15.2010.02.09.07.57.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:57:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B7185D0.1010106@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:57:04 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <903486.98513.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <903486.98513.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=PQjg7Q2GsMZGSSuqRzOw39t7_hhsGZyQPhPbbaPAxJC2Zft74PK7kxsKcQ5Ceg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III wrote: > No, never that power. They ran 500,000 watts as an experimental transmitter before WW II, but went back to 50. That original 50KW still works. > I listened to them bring in Y2K on the old Western Electric 50KW transmitter. That thing sounds GREAT on the air! It is a good thing I am NOT the CE of WLW. I would restore the RCA 500 KW box. Then if I got a bur under my saddle one night, I would fire the BEAST up! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Feb 09 08:41:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34478 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2010 16:37:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2010 16:37:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.84) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2010 16:37:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 65737 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2010 16:37:56 -0000 Message-ID: <459887.65558.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QRdYbFQVM1m7MGdVFBMufzpREm73idImtP.0BuWxT4LbgzpJV8_HsFZ.x9A4Qidg2Iv9AkNB39gPVRr6cpN4u8YZoMQLKDJbbbIkZ_OgosQtJX2PD73u30JZR05.s0XQ0R_UDXutoH09Kn8q7TM_7nUsXDHaDcumSg.Byw38RUTmH6Fa7_n.OSLULEZa93hODnTEDTH3Ksv4SygKjNu4iiTvmuQTIktnOKvHi8Q29TgBNJFRtXru6OGUesCK0kZ7G.HoiazX6ItLwbsI7LQHbWm2OvuhZSxaJtfArGPb5c9lRA48DyCrRoflqGX4YbaZYJRLIeXUxXNXjylFzZd9TjvfRhphMpAeEgfRNVKtWEyJRowAkGw5qHSBl9M1WzWolLzmUKNkW1Ae19DUVSqMLjtiwS4jnf51VJFckpUChhdK5mA7pN4TjVnXrW2yWF9.B206JedGCbUGxoK5Dv72DSv6XgQ0sn7ai_5ZSHKtFubWhLJwz_QDinPlE7KzWdfhGZpf.x2UMVzozE5wE9VwmJSTFojvcnWoyMcnUmQDCIdf9w-- X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:37:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/272.7 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <903486.98513.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B7185D0.1010106@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:37:56 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B7185D0.1010106@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=8swKnuPna2ZGV31q8kZEgVx1ZLTvXXJbzxxoYHiJUdE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Paul Jellison wanted to, but it would have been cost prohibitive. And the c= urrent power grid can't handle it. I=A0asked Paul if the tower and stuff co= uld handle a DX-2000 (=A02 million watts)=A0and he laughed and said yes wit= h=A0a bit of work.=20 Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: kj4hyd Powell E. Way III wrote: > No, never that power. They ran 500,000 watts as an experimental transmitt= er before WW II, but went back to 50. That original 50KW still works.=20 >=A0=20 I listened to them bring in Y2K on the old Western Electric 50KW=20 transmitter. That thing sounds GREAT on the air! It is a good thing I am NOT the CE of WLW. I would restore the RCA 500=20 KW box. Then if I got a bur under my saddle one night, I would fire the=20 BEAST up! --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm87037ywd.29.2010.02.09.09.17.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:17:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B7198A9.7080403@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:17:29 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <903486.98513.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B7185D0.1010106@gmail.com> <459887.65558.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <459887.65558.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=WewU9ums_YhvklfELjEVwqA59UZENnsfVJOo3jlRjfrLuJDEWFTEqFRat3OXqw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Powell E. Way III wrote: > Paul Jellison wanted to, but it would have been cost prohibitive. And the current power grid can't handle it. I asked Paul if the tower and stuff could handle a DX-2000 ( 2 million watts) and he laughed and said yes with a bit of work. It would need a new feedline and ATU. You would also have to adjust the Static Discharge Spark Balls. On the other hand WKDK would be PERFECT for the conversion. The tower is close enough to the building a feed line is not needed. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 09 15:22:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5230 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2010 23:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2010 23:22:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2010 23:22:40 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o19NMZjF018848 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:22:36 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bc0.6ea389f6 (37141) for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:22:30 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-d15.mail.aol.com (magic-d15.mail.aol.com [172.19.187.160]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA033-91154b71ee352f9; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:22:29 -0500 Message-ID: <188b7.46ce95b2.38a34835@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:22:29 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.187.160 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=E1NH9dbl1saPrHeRxeWS2fRTiIk7f5GBWvzgKikpH2IvgUTj6-WjGjjX59b1J4dZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/8/2010 11:16:05 AM Central Standard Time,=20 w6yn@juno.com writes: > =E2=80=9CThe time has arrived for the FCC to approach the Canadian and Me= xican=20 > governments=E2=80=9D about AM frequencies=E2=80=A6 >=20 The United States needs more time-bandwidth like the folks on the Titanic=20 needed ice water. The U.S. already has more bandwidth that it can profitab= ly=20 program. Incidentally, the 540 frequency would be great to have because of the dial= =20 advantage and it can take 50 large. That is, if it is done right. There i= s=20 a 5kW in Monroe, LA which is about 80 miles from here on 540. It should=20 come in like a local. It doesn't. In fact, its hardly audible. What a=20 waste. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 09 15:28:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5094 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2010 23:26:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2010 23:26:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2010 23:26:40 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o19NQVmB014655 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:26:31 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.cc2.4ecb6195 (55727) for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:26:28 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-d15.mail.aol.com (magic-d15.mail.aol.com [172.19.187.160]) by cia-md03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD032-d9af4b71ef24368; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:26:28 -0500 Message-ID: <18acf.ae870cf.38a34924@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:26:28 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.187.160 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=06hjINMc64WILx7sEbU-m2CvwMHeeSv8IbRMgr8AgwzCru91k51IfM0MSsID84ct X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/2010 9:57:11 AM Central Standard Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > It is a good thing I am NOT the CE of WLW. I would restore the RCA 500 > KW box. Then if I got a bur under my saddle one night, I would fire the > BEAST up! > > With the weather what it has been, you'd have to make sure the lillypond isn't an ice rink. Personally, I like the quiet serenity of water cooled finals. Shame they don't make them anymore. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Feb 09 15:33:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6043 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2010 23:33:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2010 23:33:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2010 23:33:14 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 22802 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2010 23:33:14 -0000 Message-ID: <332857.22036.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wzMR7dkVM1nH4NUuG1dRg.BDBp2zeNThO4wHIDLku14wDNGpHQQjMMx2LioXUptyTbGl.FMIM4xiXqiV9bjyGj29ZdfBwx1CEeS3xj6shU61ZV2bw8CMHjnjVq3tnTcUS37NGL9JzU6wNKOAq9gAbNH9THVhaUmpx_U0Q0LGXK2SX43wIRDkGnVDqf5lwvl6aImBczgbwZaSKaDLQ.UKi9eUOPQJba.BrE7uxnWzH0xOfiVeqCHgsY3xPXsP8Wz0_bTosBTE40u6827tDV1X0uWW6iZUBTaTnDoBEKJC3rvquC49SO_WoaVmyKGI05FwW2q7L8KEamVLbSRf1Y86Z5Hs99x.5t9V44L9vOuiWVrXsu9xVWsX7w_2fu7U5PDour9gcaVFPXOwvAE6n0zBmFsXx8_N4UL1_uPjRlLdEGCJd31tYWlyBXiOwFZBfgqUxpTH0MEX_uLyDcVyGd0zEo1Dx6VD.XRXhJuvozcHeSyeGyQfpTBXIN0AVlQf8Mc3gyy.xinQXY.oKnEE5jv5FGWc..3U4wMRRf3ccFlUM738ghT5XUgCj_YsG9EoTcL4C9DZU7eVYFbfdHicG0sk_3cl1xTFTyQ35ia6SaNsLEIWh4215aMWubuYq6fGcc02XPn5wdwaYl5c4FgmxDKGKOAbCuG2zOarse5JKu4KVqIZHU9k.NtkDUD2oJFqogQhojaBetRywYJCKU2Ol5B386p0gi6iWq.ZUOilRvI1MOJ3Oeyj7e1FFPDLF8ZiPKhE0pTHxi5iuxs0mzVtlL8KwhVqO8OMPgz0_56g5vMjsrAjI8cbv0J4MrGIHpvwPqS0 X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:33:14 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 15:33:14 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=cuPm6lbUK7Aoanbj6U-Y-lxyP6Mj-TsYDtMOTrKeZ33mlw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amen! When at home, I usually sleep with CKLW on. =C2=A0When out in the clear, it= 's XEROK or XERF when available. =C2=A0My Spanish is not so good, but that = way the commercials can't upset me, the news can't depress me, and the musi= c is downright beautiful, lyrics understood or not.As for CKLW and other bi= g Canadians I've heard, there seem to be fewer spots, with less hyperbole, = and the talk shows are very civil and relevant, as opposed to the political= =C2=A0hate-fests that are way too common on Ws and Ks.=C2=A0=C2=A0If we los= e the big Cs an XEs, my radio will likely only be on AM in an emergency...u= nless music AND stereo both make a big comeback! G --- On Tue, 2/9/10, KeithB wrote: From: KeithB Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 12:44 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 I think WLW used 100,000 watts of power at one point, before the pres= ent limit of 50 kw.=20 It'll be a sad day if we lose all the Canadian and Mexican "clears" on the = AM band. The handful of Canadians I can hear most nights help keep me sane.= I still love radio as a medium, but the current state of program content o= n commercial radio in the U.S. is pretty pathetic.=20 73,=20 Keith B. in Seattle --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, aurel chiochiu wrote: > > It's not so, why I can null out WLW 700 to some extent to hear Cuba and C= olombia, 940 is jammed fullclock by WEPN 950... >=20 > Why they're not talking abotu IBOC here ? >=20 > May the good DX be with you ! > Bogdan Chiochiu > From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 > Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 12:14 PM > Subject: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > =E2=80=9CThe time has arrived for the FCC to approach the Canadian and = Mexican governments=E2=80=9D about AM frequencies=E2=80=A6 >=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 09 15:39:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64575 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2010 23:39:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Feb 2010 23:39:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2010 23:39:10 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o19Nd6Fe006143 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:39:06 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c03.322a5800 (37185) for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:39:01 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-d15.mail.aol.com (magic-d15.mail.aol.com [172.19.187.160]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA056-91414b71f21521; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:39:01 -0500 Message-ID: <190dc.465b019a.38a34c15@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:39:01 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.187.160 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=BlNX7EQ-DOwbeZmZtmKGm7Uy0fbnrP-jUB1B6KO23Y4VZlUVNhgNzmHuOa_L6Sxu X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/2010 10:41:40 AM Central Standard Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Paul Jellison wanted to, but it would have been cost prohibitive. The problem with the RCA 500kW rig is that it used motor generator sets to in its power supply. Those might take a bit of work after all these years. The guy wire insulators would probably need an upgrade to take 2 MW. As WLW's Blaw Knox is a halfwave radiator, there is a voltage maxima right where it is guyed in the center. My real concern would be Bill Cunningham on 2 MW. The might very well be the day The Almighty might decide to it was time to start over again. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 09 16:11:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56207 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2010 00:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2010 00:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2010 00:11:13 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.223] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100209181102002311200010.0) with SMTP id <20100209181102002311200010> for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:11:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003e01caa9e6$2b1a5a40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <903486.98513.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B7185D0.1010106@gmail.com> <459887.65558.qm@web112006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4B7198A9.7080403@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:11:02 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=zTfeeRjxDKO5VC0R6zuX7lMhtpW8YOou04JvLfO55U6YxHE_-sV3 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How would you keep the RF out of everything? 2MW might even melt the tower. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:18 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, Powell E. Way III wrote: > Paul Jellison wanted to, but it would have been cost prohibitive. And the current power grid can't handle it. I asked Paul if the tower and stuff could handle a DX-2000 ( 2 million watts) and he laughed and said yes with a bit of work. It would need a new feedline and ATU. You would also have to adjust the Static Discharge Spark Balls. On the other hand WKDK would be PERFECT for the conversion. The tower is close enough to the building a feed line is not needed. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 09 16:25:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 23059 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2010 00:25:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2010 00:25:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2010 00:25:54 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.223] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100209182523000771500010.0) with SMTP id <20100209182523000771500010> for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:25:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <006a01caa9e8$2c1bb2c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <188b7.46ce95b2.38a34835@aol.com> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:25:23 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=fU42yAw8JHTxfKvq2LZOOwa7ZHM3ctbX9u3B_cLgsmst-LUEQ2Td X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe if some of these stations could run a less complex array due to these= other stations dropping out, maybe they would be more profitable. Likely = your Monroe LA example is one of them. Scott Todd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mjgrant@aol.com=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 5:22 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, =20=20=20=20 In a message dated 2/8/2010 11:16:05 AM The United States needs more time= -bandwidth like the folks on the Titanic=20 needed ice water. The U.S. already has more bandwidth that it can profita= bly=20 program. Incidentally, the 540 frequency would be great to have because of the dia= l=20 advantage and it can take 50 large. That is, if it is done right. There i= s=20 a 5kW in Monroe, LA which is about 80 miles from here on 540. It should=20 come in like a local. It doesn't. In fact, its hardly audible. What a=20 waste. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.= net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 09 16:30:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97698 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2010 00:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2010 00:30:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2010 00:30:28 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.223] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100209183022002180400011.0) with SMTP id <20100209183022002180400011> for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:30:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007801caa9e8$df50c600$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20100208.091416.29294.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> <002001caa93b$7fd572a0$6800a8c0@B> Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:30:22 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=J-_EYdtQGczw0fsa5--g7anLhoO5IWVBBezX-ZU3MJuSIrsVbn42 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You really have to ask about Cuba? They don't particularly respect any other country's radio coverage. As for IBOC, its problems are well known and some companies still shut it off at sunset for that reason. If WEPN isn't one of them there's not much that can be done except for someone here to get rich enough to buy them out and shut it off. I remember Salem did that when they bought WIND in Chicago. Helped their Milwaukee station (since sold off) tremendously. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: aurel chiochiu To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, It's not so, why I can null out WLW 700 to some extent to hear Cuba and Colombia, 940 is jammed fullclock by WEPN 950... Why they're not talking abotu IBOC here ? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 09 23:30:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71933 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2010 07:30:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2010 07:30:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2010 07:30:52 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o1A7Ujda001627 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:30:46 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d1a.5afb42a3 (43955) for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:30:42 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-m24.mail.aol.com (magic-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.197]) by cia-dd01.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD014-abb34b72609f23c; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:30:39 -0500 Message-ID: <22401.797df023.38a3ba9f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:30:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.197 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=oizooLk2v9Wfu8XTYwmtXZEUtSsyj12ZRUN9MsfJj9U8HkoLMMOur1_Zt9hsX1VJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/2010 6:11:18 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > How would you keep the RF out of everything? 2MW might even melt the > tower. > No to worry. There is enough steel in that Blaw Knox to handle twice that power or more. As for standing off the voltage at the base, that may be another matter. The real question is that if WLW broadcast in CQUAM at that power level, if one would hear the left signal in the filings on the left side of his or her mouth and right on the other. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Feb 09 23:34:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74618 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2010 07:34:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Feb 2010 07:34:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2010 07:34:34 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o1A7YUEc024041 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:34:30 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.cb3.64daa7ce (55721) for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:34:24 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-m24.mail.aol.com (magic-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.197]) by cia-md02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD024-d9a94b7261803b9; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:34:24 -0500 Message-ID: <2246e.7fab8209.38a3bb80@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:34:24 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.197 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=leVE0WcgYv0Z1yfUP9Yp-txAqp4RUZOSfEN4mMgwNYGKKLjXSriZ-IAoJ16P09vl X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/9/2010 6:25:58 PM Central Standard Time, scottn0bst@usfamily.net writes: > Likely your Monroe LA example is one of them. > Actually, we are supposedly on a lobe. They have really short towers for 540 which was why they were authorized for 5 kW. Power is cheaper than tower, especially when multiple towers are involved. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 11 08:18:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22909 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2010 16:18:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2010 16:18:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2010 16:18:06 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail02.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.142]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFZJMMEAWWVQ6S for (sender ); Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:16:36 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD05aY4/OeKRq7vwT2wtSqic= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail02.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P6HK4R8S; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:15:56 PST X-Received: from [76.194.246.161] by webmail02.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:15:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:15:04 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100211.081504.4362.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 726 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:3745233689 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.142|webmail02.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Instant Radio Blast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=uY9vx8W44FPA22st92a1CkY8DY_LmusY8kDbxksDPg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn =93Suddenly Chavez=94 is the show that airs any time Hugo Chavez wants. When you're the virtual dictator and you have the Venezuelan National Radio= facility at your disposal, why not order them to give you a show named, li= terally, "Suddenly Chavez"? (It sounds better in Spanish.)=20 He already has a lengthy Sunday TV show, and he can talk almost as long as = Fidel Castro used to.=20 Now he formalizes his habit of dropping in on the national radio facility b= y instituting the standby title "Suddenly Chavez." ("1984" writer George Or= well would appreciate the name.)=20 As the Wall Street Journal observes, Chavez has previously ordered other st= ations to carry his addresses - and punished those who didn't.=20 From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 11 13:58:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89959 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2010 21:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2010 21:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2010 21:58:30 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail21.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.161]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFZJ9K8ABCQET2 for (sender ); Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:57:18 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD2ve8bGprATgnEXxKTnzJ7U= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail21.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P6H7LB83; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:56:29 PST X-Received: from [76.194.246.161] by webmail21.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:55:30 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:55:30 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100211.135530.9413.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 1748 X-ContentStamp: 2:3:3152914023 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.161|webmail21.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Lousy Spots and Worse DJs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=4jefC4vrQ9ptpdIN4ozqRFejSnN_nnKQDV3Kg5cHUg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Avoid Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Jake Sigal, founder and CEO of Myine Electronics, has designed his new "com= mercial-free" FM radio with his parents in mind. "I give my parents my old iPods. They don't use them," because they don't w= ant to go through the process of connecting the devices to a computer, down= loading music and creating a playlist to hear the music. Myine's Abbee model AB001 promises to remove the commercials and DJ talk fo= r hours of uninterrupted music. Whether that's a good thing depends, I supp= ose, on how you feel about commercials and DJs. Sigal said when you tune to a station, the FM tuner records the audio strea= m. Using Popcatcher technology, a "detection algorithm," it analyzes the au= dio and removes the spots and DJ patter. The individual songs are saved as = MP3 files and stored on the docked Music Lock portable player for playback = over the built-in speakers or elsewhere. The player has a 500 song capacity= , or 2 GB of storage space, according to the company. Myine worked with the National Federation for the Blind to make the portabl= e player accessible. The buttons for skip, pause, play, fast-forward, as we= ll as save and delete commands are all raised and are different shapes. The Abbee commercial-free music system is shipping now and available from M= yine and Amazon. It lists for $249.99. And here's another unique part =97 or scary part, for a commercial music st= ation. Sweden-based Popcatcher says its technology "can be integrated with = almost every kind of media player that contains a radio." It's pursuing dea= ls to integrate its technology in cell phones, portable MP3 players, and ca= r stereos. Popcatcher says it can detect repeat songs and skip those, too.= =20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 11 19:47:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40806 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2010 03:45:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2010 03:45:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2010 03:45:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 28249 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2010 03:45:13 -0000 Message-ID: <323691.27933.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ESD0q8gVM1le5FwvXSSBvoRyrJ_D3kujlkaoqrj6lY3wPL6BNwNc8SUZuPIlavHIHmCVpSZH6Wit1bBm1RDL0zsumNOqDmQeSwkA_CwyutS7RMMRBiPdPmuJp5nWbZJI6lHUZq2UeV3DeXdWUgOHLS0fOyMRFZ963xYxtq3M0TfLsydgTu6nhoz_KxbyZL7h0TpELWECf3BPTJ2z29_f37hbTJZ55VZSN0GrERTQLyZSaMTXyO1pWYhRakfx09xpxc0ryM4kWzkBECuIPklOX_hJTOkKfe3UmrKE4oHPOlsyc0TnVffyceMdpgvzWTxa5FDO6QY1N3aDIB6S1cMubnjWSwWA6hRXGJr3TCBAoZhC6SYroSbc7Q-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:45:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:45:12 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20100211.135530.9413.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=jbodlDN8oZ4MuaV-k_yuAtC2EbIn0rOIRIxn4b3-hYMNwg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not too long ago, a similar idea was available on S-VHS machines from JVC, = and maybe others, too. =C2=A0Did it work? =C2=A0Well, sort of. =C2=A0The "s= pot removal" was done on playback, but the principal was similar. =C2=A0Whe= n the signs of a spot starting or ending were recognizable, no problem, it = worked fine. But many times the spot "merged" with the program in such a wa= y that the VCR couldn't tell. =C2=A0Possibly, the TV stations got hip to th= is, and made sure to "merge" this way, but that is a suspicion on my part.W= ill this new system not also be prone to how the spots and music are connec= ted?As any good Drake-inspired DJ knows, it is cool to talk over the intro = (that's why it is listed on the record lable, and why we had those big coun= tdown-to-shut-up darkroom timers),cross fade the tables=C2=A0(sorry, the CD= s, or whatever the current thing is)=C2=A0and generally make sure the needl= es on the VUs NEVER touch the lower peg for even an instant! =C2=A0(Yeah, s= howing my age, huh.) =C2=A0So how is this device going to handle that, I wonder? =C2=A0Block out the int= ro when the DJ is talking, or leave him in?=C2=A0How about when a spot is s= o well matched, and so perfectly cued, that it sounds like a continuation o= f the music? =C2=A0Even the totally-automated FM I listen to during the day= has enough overlap between jingles, spots, sounders, and music, that there= is seldom a split second of silence. =C2=A0Add to that, songs that include= a moment of silence, (you know, the part where a good DJ makes some kind o= f crazy sound, or remark like "Oh Baby!" or "Have Mercy!")Besides, why woul= d anybody WANT to drop the DJ? =C2=A0Have they gotten THAT bad, that is whe= re they even exist anymore? (Howard Stern aside)I'm sure this new gadget wi= ll make a lot of non-music content disappear, but won't it butcher the fron= t and back of the song in the process? =C2=A0Pardon my skepticism, but I'll= believe it when I hear it!G.=C2=A0 --- On Thu, 2/11/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 4:55 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Avoid Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Jake Sigal, founder and CEO of Myine Electronics, has designed his new "com= mercial- free" FM radio with his parents in mind. "I give my parents my old iPods. They don't use them," because they don't w= ant to go through the process of connecting the devices to a computer, down= loading music and creating a playlist to hear the music. Myine's Abbee model AB001 promises to remove the commercials and DJ talk fo= r hours of uninterrupted music. Whether that's a good thing depends, I supp= ose, on how you feel about commercials and DJs. Sigal said when you tune to a station, the FM tuner records the audio strea= m. Using Popcatcher technology, a "detection algorithm," it analyzes the au= dio and removes the spots and DJ patter. The individual songs are saved as = MP3 files and stored on the docked Music Lock portable player for playback = over the built-in speakers or elsewhere. The player has a 500 song capacity= , or 2 GB of storage space, according to the company. Myine worked with the National Federation for the Blind to make the portabl= e player accessible. The buttons for skip, pause, play, fast-forward, as we= ll as save and delete commands are all raised and are different shapes. The Abbee commercial-free music system is shipping now and available from M= yine and Amazon. It lists for $249.99. And here's another unique part =E2=80=94 or scary part, for a commercial mu= sic station. Sweden-based Popcatcher says its technology "can be integrated= with almost every kind of media player that contains a radio." It's pursui= ng deals to integrate its technology in cell phones, portable MP3 players, = and car stereos. Popcatcher says it can detect repeat songs and skip those,= too.=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Fri Feb 12 15:58:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74156 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2010 23:58:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2010 23:58:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2010 23:58:26 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail20.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.160]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFZM42LADZJV42 for (sender ); Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:58:02 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD9z6VuvCLfrIy/07BCTBhuk= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail20.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P6LYXEPU; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:57:55 PST X-Received: from [76.194.246.161] by webmail20.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:57:24 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:57:24 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100212.155724.26892.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 4507 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:2350886316 X-MAIL-INFO:4f8481591d2d6d79c1c17181c451a46df40131ed4011b0c0a435451539ed39893845117471858db93011719db580d905b905c025bd60cdc44079952de93d6d4de929952dd59064 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.160|webmail20.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=4CSYycIQlev4biat3X76mVPZc_7Otl25hziAQvzPdA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn We still use DJs on some shows but they are absolutely prohibited from talk= ing over the featured music at any time. Our listeners are there for the mu= sic not cool/cute talk.=20 The TV broadcasters used to go to black between programs and spots but chan= ged that when "spot removal" became available.=20 Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:45:12 -0800 (PST) Not too long ago, a similar idea was available on S-VHS machines from JVC, = and maybe others, too. =C2=A0Did it work? =C2=A0Well, sort of. =C2=A0The "s= pot removal" was done on playback, but the principal was similar. =C2=A0Whe= n the signs of a spot starting or ending were recognizable, no problem, it = worked fine. But many times the spot "merged" with the program in such a wa= y that the VCR couldn't tell. =C2=A0Possibly, the TV stations got hip to th= is, and made sure to "merge" this way, but that is a suspicion on my part.W= ill this new system not also be prone to how the spots and music are connec= ted?As any good Drake-inspired DJ knows, it is cool to talk over the intro = (that's why it is listed on the record lable, and why we had those big coun= tdown-to-shut-up darkroom timers),cross fade the tables=C2=A0(sorry, the CD= s, or whatever the current thing is)=C2=A0and generally make sure the needl= es on the VUs NEVER touch the lower peg for even an instant! =C2=A0(Yeah, s= howing my age, huh.) =C2=A0So how is this device going to handle that, I wonder? =C2=A0Block out the int= ro when the DJ is talking, or leave him in?=C2=A0How about when a spot is s= o well matched, and so perfectly cued, that it sounds like a continuation o= f the music? =C2=A0Even the totally-automated FM I listen to during the day= has enough overlap between jingles, spots, sounders, and music, that there= is seldom a split second of silence. =C2=A0Add to that, songs that include= a moment of silence, (you know, the part where a good DJ makes some kind o= f crazy sound, or remark like "Oh Baby!" or "Have Mercy!")Besides, why woul= d anybody WANT to drop the DJ? =C2=A0Have they gotten THAT bad, that is whe= re they even exist anymore? (Howard Stern aside)I'm sure this new gadget wi= ll make a lot of non-music content disappear, but won't it butcher the fron= t and back of the song in the process? =C2=A0Pardon my skepticism, but I'll= believe it when I hear it!G.=C2=A0 --- On Thu, 2/11/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 4:55 PM Avoid Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Jake Sigal, founder and CEO of Myine Electronics, has designed his new "com= mercial- free" FM radio with his parents in mind. "I give my parents my old iPods. They don't use them," because they don't w= ant to go through the process of connecting the devices to a computer, down= loading music and creating a playlist to hear the music. Myine's Abbee model AB001 promises to remove the commercials and DJ talk fo= r hours of uninterrupted music. Whether that's a good thing depends, I supp= ose, on how you feel about commercials and DJs. Sigal said when you tune to a station, the FM tuner records the audio strea= m. Using Popcatcher technology, a "detection algorithm," it analyzes the au= dio and removes the spots and DJ patter. The individual songs are saved as = MP3 files and stored on the docked Music Lock portable player for playback = over the built-in speakers or elsewhere. The player has a 500 song capacity= , or 2 GB of storage space, according to the company. Myine worked with the National Federation for the Blind to make the portabl= e player accessible. The buttons for skip, pause, play, fast-forward, as we= ll as save and delete commands are all raised and are different shapes. The Abbee commercial-free music system is shipping now and available from M= yine and Amazon. It lists for $249.99. And here's another unique part =E2=80=94 or scary part, for a commercial mu= sic station. Sweden-based Popcatcher says its technology "can be integrated= with almost every kind of media player that contains a radio." It's pursui= ng deals to integrate its technology in cell phones, portable MP3 players, = and car stereos. Popcatcher says it can detect repeat songs and skip those,= too.=20 =20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 12 22:58:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80748 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2010 06:58:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2010 06:58:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2010 06:58:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2010 06:58:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2010 06:58:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:58:47 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Got Married! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=XGK7COelzcFu-CEEjm1dm542Z4ho7xNYJZmIGCOFVZFC7BOnJl3qQis X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Best Wishes to you both, Jennifer & Kevin! Don't forget to stop into a chu= rch on the way home and get your marriage blessed too! Jennifer, might I suggest a C-Quam AM Stereo radio for Kevin as the 2nd bes= t wedding gift? Kevin, might I suggest a set of noise-cancelling headphones for your lovely= bride so she can listen to music and now hear you grumbling when there is = QRM on the BC band and you're trying to zero in on a stereo station! Happy Valentine's Day Kids! Regards and 73's from John From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Feb 13 13:33:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48965 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2010 21:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2010 21:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2010 21:33:29 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.66] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100213153317000686400010.0) with SMTP id <20100213153317000686400010> for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:33:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004e01caacf4$d0fb2c80$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20100211.081504.4362.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:33:17 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Instant Radio Blast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=W6tAvW1iYXmX8iQMBlYHS3gpDZuEm_Z_sBpALqXnB4URGaCvwX-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like they need their own version of Radio Caroline. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: {AMSF} Instant Radio Blast "Suddenly Chavez" is the show that airs any time Hugo Chavez wants. When you're the virtual dictator and you have the Venezuelan National Radio facility at your disposal, why not order them to give you a show named, literally, "Suddenly Chavez"? (It sounds better in Spanish.) He already has a lengthy Sunday TV show, and he can talk almost as long as Fidel Castro used to. Now he formalizes his habit of dropping in on the national radio facility by instituting the standby title "Suddenly Chavez." ("1984" writer George Orwell would appreciate the name.) As the Wall Street Journal observes, Chavez has previously ordered other stations to carry his addresses - and punished those who didn't. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sat Feb 13 19:38:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25057 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2010 03:38:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2010 03:38:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2010 03:38:54 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30042 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2010 03:38:53 -0000 Message-ID: <848806.30021.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: efu0lA0VM1k27IVq9F08VNEAVZHKl1Gqag7v41KzmgJKoJZfPxrUyMEFLQrAw_4ALvp8e0.jr3JCxCJLb1ZVRMNwPSY0pK9TXSo09qQK0voVWaGKeLcgkcTI9Al72j_Yfy3Rv8JOzqnjZhNCctlNWj6VwzK1orbDF3vqbORFU_DNB2NCQ83al6HGfGez88FV_GLrkuujs2TkHmBwzin1kvaX39Rh5O_XsQJO9EoqpeXq2uKJ5hKs3kNpa0eYD4k3V5Nb5.m04L.H9Xt5FMcisPakch7xq7Z8QS2c0WMqb3Jpsvkq8aTs_xZASwzTSK_.Lwi8CyJxyc03au2IZm4yCB4i5KE- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:38:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:38:53 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20100212.155724.26892.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=CUdg80-2al9e-IkKbyw_GrY2EZ5USIGv9fF0FgW76EJTRQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable They can't even talk over the intro? =C2=A0Seems the whole reason for an in= tro is for the DJ to introduce the song with a music bed, but maybe I'm jus= t stuck in the Drake era....G --- On Fri, 2/12/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:57 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 We still use DJs on some shows but they are absolutely prohibited fro= m talking over the featured music at any time. Our listeners are there for = the music not cool/cute talk.=20 The TV broadcasters used to go to black between programs and spots but chan= ged that when "spot removal" became available.=20 Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:45:12 -0800 (PST) Not too long ago, a similar idea was available on S-VHS machines from JVC, = and maybe others, too. =C3=82=C2=A0Did it work? =C3=82=C2=A0Well, sort of. = =C3=82=C2=A0The "spot removal" was done on playback, but the principal was = similar. =C3=82=C2=A0When the signs of a spot starting or ending were recog= nizable, no problem, it worked fine. But many times the spot "merged" with = the program in such a way that the VCR couldn't tell. =C3=82=C2=A0Possibly,= the TV stations got hip to this, and made sure to "merge" this way, but th= at is a suspicion on my part.Will this new system not also be prone to how = the spots and music are connected?As any good Drake-inspired DJ knows, it i= s cool to talk over the intro (that's why it is listed on the record lable,= and why we had those big countdown-to- shut-up darkroom timers),cross fade= the tables=C3=82=C2=A0(sorry, the CDs, or whatever the current thing is)= =C3=82=C2=A0and generally make sure the needles on the VUs NEVER touch the = lower peg for even an instant! =C3=82=C2=A0(Yeah, showing my age, huh.) =C3=82=C2=A0So how is this device going to handle that, I wonder? =C3=82=C2=A0Block out t= he intro when the DJ is talking, or leave him in?=C3=82=C2=A0How about when= a spot is so well matched, and so perfectly cued, that it sounds like a co= ntinuation of the music? =C3=82=C2=A0Even the totally-automated FM I listen= to during the day has enough overlap between jingles, spots, sounders, and= music, that there is seldom a split second of silence. =C3=82=C2=A0Add to = that, songs that include a moment of silence, (you know, the part where a g= ood DJ makes some kind of crazy sound, or remark like "Oh Baby!" or "Have M= ercy!")Besides, why would anybody WANT to drop the DJ? =C3=82=C2=A0Have the= y gotten THAT bad, that is where they even exist anymore? (Howard Stern asi= de)I'm sure this new gadget will make a lot of non-music content disappear,= but won't it butcher the front and back of the song in the process? =C3=82= =C2=A0Pardon my skepticism, but I'll believe it when I hear it!G.=C3=82=C2= =A0 --- On Thu, 2/11/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 4:55 PM Avoid Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Jake Sigal, founder and CEO of Myine Electronics, has designed his new "com= mercial- free" FM radio with his parents in mind. "I give my parents my old iPods. They don't use them," because they don't w= ant to go through the process of connecting the devices to a computer, down= loading music and creating a playlist to hear the music. Myine's Abbee model AB001 promises to remove the commercials and DJ talk fo= r hours of uninterrupted music. Whether that's a good thing depends, I supp= ose, on how you feel about commercials and DJs. Sigal said when you tune to a station, the FM tuner records the audio strea= m. Using Popcatcher technology, a "detection algorithm," it analyzes the au= dio and removes the spots and DJ patter. The individual songs are saved as = MP3 files and stored on the docked Music Lock portable player for playback = over the built-in speakers or elsewhere. The player has a 500 song capacity= , or 2 GB of storage space, according to the company. Myine worked with the National Federation for the Blind to make the portabl= e player accessible. The buttons for skip, pause, play, fast-forward, as we= ll as save and delete commands are all raised and are different shapes. The Abbee commercial-free music system is shipping now and available from M= yine and Amazon. It lists for $249.99. And here's another unique part =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9D or scary part, for = a commercial music station. Sweden-based Popcatcher says its technology "ca= n be integrated with almost every kind of media player that contains a radi= o." It's pursuing deals to integrate its technology in cell phones, portabl= e MP3 players, and car stereos. Popcatcher says it can detect repeat songs = and skip those, too.=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Feb 13 21:20:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36066 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2010 05:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2010 05:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.164) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2010 05:20:57 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o1E5Kt54003743 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 00:20:55 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c0c.78cf84c0 (45272) for ; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 00:20:53 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-m11.mail.aol.com (magic-m11.mail.aol.com [172.21.145.211]) by cia-mc03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC032-b0d84b7788323a0; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 00:20:50 -0500 Message-ID: <144b6.1e2d3710.38a8e232@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 00:20:50 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.196.147.87 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.145.211 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.164 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Instant Radio Blast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=rLGeAHpdDDGAVUBeUFoJtcJZKN_l43sK5SpyQWsSQm8LydvVHQv86xvNlbUfOiqt X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow. What an idea! We could have Suddenly Obama. I wonder if the U.S. would have to pay Venezula royalties on the idea? President Obama already drops in on Letterman, Leno, Colbert, etc.. But what if he could drop in on Rush, Hannity, Beck, etc.? That would be great. Chavez. What a radio innovator! Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sun Feb 14 09:01:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25462 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2010 17:01:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2010 17:01:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2010 17:01:16 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail20.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.160]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFZSMBQA3YQVLA for (sender ); Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:00:30 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD/oefL9a1BI494Ju/eG3FD0= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail20.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P6RDTP67; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:00:03 PST X-Received: from [99.154.128.82] by webmail20.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:59:07 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:59:07 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100214.085907.12370.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 5654 X-ContentStamp: 16:8:2462780916 X-MAIL-INFO:53cd84f1f431edc18080d98430fd35eddd609421c474f9b0356d5d8534213441b55d7471d925a9051974d90179bda1090509b09dd50d9130c4c1e931e529eda5e564e9313d20ad X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.160|webmail20.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=AO2MHfJfMXnRnx8bQzJdaZMAAcQ15nl_dmV4b7yHpg X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn I have never attended a music event where the downbeat preceded the end of = the introduction. Guy Lombardo style excepted. It is a matter of having respect for those who create the product. People listen for the music as the artists recorded it. It should not be tr= eated a fill material between cool/cute DJ chatter. I was a "player of old phonograph records" and that's my gig. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:38:53 -0800 (PST) They can't even talk over the intro? =C2=A0Seems the whole reason for an in= tro is for the DJ to introduce the song with a music bed, but maybe I'm jus= t stuck in the Drake era....G --- On Fri, 2/12/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:57 PM We still use DJs on some shows but they are absolutely prohibited from talk= ing over the featured music at any time. Our listeners are there for the mu= sic not cool/cute talk.=20 The TV broadcasters used to go to black between programs and spots but chan= ged that when "spot removal" became available.=20 Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:45:12 -0800 (PST) Not too long ago, a similar idea was available on S-VHS machines from JVC, = and maybe others, too. =C3=82=C2=A0Did it work? =C3=82=C2=A0Well, sort of. = =C3=82=C2=A0The "spot removal" was done on playback, but the principal was = similar. =C3=82=C2=A0When the signs of a spot starting or ending were recog= nizable, no problem, it worked fine. But many times the spot "merged" with = the program in such a way that the VCR couldn't tell. =C3=82=C2=A0Possibly,= the TV stations got hip to this, and made sure to "merge" this way, but th= at is a suspicion on my part.Will this new system not also be prone to how = the spots and music are connected?As any good Drake-inspired DJ knows, it i= s cool to talk over the intro (that's why it is listed on the record lable,= and why we had those big countdown-to- shut-up darkroom timers),cross fade= the tables=C3=82=C2=A0(sorry, the CDs, or whatever the current thing is)= =C3=82=C2=A0and generally make sure the needles on the VUs NEVER touch the = lower peg for even an instant! =C3=82=C2=A0(Yeah, showing my age, huh.) =C3=82=C2=A0So how is this device going to handle that, I wonder? =C3=82=C2=A0Block out t= he intro when the DJ is talking, or leave him in?=C3=82=C2=A0How about when= a spot is so well matched, and so perfectly cued, that it sounds like a co= ntinuation of the music? =C3=82=C2=A0Even the totally-automated FM I listen= to during the day has enough overlap between jingles, spots, sounders, and= music, that there is seldom a split second of silence. =C3=82=C2=A0Add to = that, songs that include a moment of silence, (you know, the part where a g= ood DJ makes some kind of crazy sound, or remark like "Oh Baby!" or "Have M= ercy!")Besides, why would anybody WANT to drop the DJ? =C3=82=C2=A0Have the= y gotten THAT bad, that is where they even exist anymore? (Howard Stern asi= de)I'm sure this new gadget will make a lot of non-music content disappear,= but won't it butcher the front and back of the song in the process? =C3=82= =C2=A0Pardon my skepticism, but I'll believe it when I hear it!G.=C3=82=C2= =A0 --- On Thu, 2/11/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 4:55 PM Avoid Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Jake Sigal, founder and CEO of Myine Electronics, has designed his new "com= mercial- free" FM radio with his parents in mind. "I give my parents my old iPods. They don't use them," because they don't w= ant to go through the process of connecting the devices to a computer, down= loading music and creating a playlist to hear the music. Myine's Abbee model AB001 promises to remove the commercials and DJ talk fo= r hours of uninterrupted music. Whether that's a good thing depends, I supp= ose, on how you feel about commercials and DJs. Sigal said when you tune to a station, the FM tuner records the audio strea= m. Using Popcatcher technology, a "detection algorithm," it analyzes the au= dio and removes the spots and DJ patter. The individual songs are saved as = MP3 files and stored on the docked Music Lock portable player for playback = over the built-in speakers or elsewhere. The player has a 500 song capacity= , or 2 GB of storage space, according to the company. Myine worked with the National Federation for the Blind to make the portabl= e player accessible. The buttons for skip, pause, play, fast-forward, as we= ll as save and delete commands are all raised and are different shapes. The Abbee commercial-free music system is shipping now and available from M= yine and Amazon. It lists for $249.99. And here's another unique part =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9D or scary part, for = a commercial music station. Sweden-based Popcatcher says its technology "ca= n be integrated with almost every kind of media player that contains a radi= o." It's pursuing deals to integrate its technology in cell phones, portabl= e MP3 players, and car stereos. Popcatcher says it can detect repeat songs = and skip those, too.=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Feb 14 14:47:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36092 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2010 22:47:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2010 22:47:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2010 22:47:46 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48577 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2010 22:47:46 -0000 Message-ID: <380940.48393.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: O0jEzy8VM1nLutLFJUpEo9l2Fo2Wv9huA1rZcXi9CJwrwIPAWRa9wIVaquft2unFsUDXd1hKJTfRxIhrFjAdYVOi1rb4YUA9Nq4_buy17zvwHbW4MYhvsaICEiBBI4Zci_NejcgnP_tc5QwM57gMJ3C2kGGvh6QSUR47UJe0iUXXChGw6LzQc.vibvI0d2BpGVkSodn7lVuylQomHjrccXGonSxDFszcoLk0obOXY.nYlNIoJlZ9M8Z4yyUV9lu_IwvC.iAN8osW.Fe8O._OSPSHtY3A0xOG_mbAsfRQQxyP0NCx.hsh0DvMQwMiHWi4rWKq7GZGcPiNHnCpHqi429gnMdvMMxunTS096OkTs3ltuct4fEmn2w-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:47:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:47:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20100214.085907.12370.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=_gRuGOjZI6dCWQ2-mqzZwt5A7iHYZ4uVYjocpstLg_Mzrw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I DID attend a Tejano festival last fall, and the band played for alm= ost a minute while the MC did a welcome speech. =C2=A0Exception for sure, b= ut anything can happen. As for respecting the artist, absolutely! =C2=A0I couldn't agree more, BUT = when a record is released with the intro time plainly printed on the label,= I would imagine the artist understands that talking may take place during = that time, =C2=A0Guess it's a matter of prevailing formats, I can't imagine= a classical station doing this, but it WAS the accepted practice on many t= op-forty stations, and considering that some artists are even clever enough= to "second guess" what such things as processing will probably do to their= product and mix accordingly, is it a far stretch that they may allow a non= -vocal intro SO that they can be properly introduced/promoted?(BTW, Casey K= asem STILL starts playback while talking...for HIM it works OK.) Not trying to be argumentative, Don, I just think IN IT'S PROPER PLACE, usi= ng the intro for a bed is a good practice, it makes for a smooth "flow" of = program. =C2=A0Can't imagine how different such giants as WLS, CKLW, or XER= OK =C2=A0would have fared with strict avoidance of such a thing. =C2=A0Mayb= e Drake broke some long-standing taboos, but it sure didn't do the industry= any harm at the time! (super-fast power-cue turntables: invented BY a DJ FOR DJ's...timing was EV= ERYTHING!) G=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 --- On Sun, 2/14/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 11:59 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 I have never attended a music event where the downbeat preceded the e= nd of the introduction. Guy Lombardo style excepted. It is a matter of having respect for those who create the product. People listen for the music as the artists recorded it. It should not be tr= eated a fill material between cool/cute DJ chatter. I was a "player of old phonograph records" and that's my gig. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:38:53 -0800 (PST) They can't even talk over the intro? =C2=A0Seems the whole reason for an in= tro is for the DJ to introduce the song with a music bed, but maybe I'm jus= t stuck in the Drake era....G --- On Fri, 2/12/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:57 PM We still use DJs on some shows but they are absolutely prohibited from talk= ing over the featured music at any time. Our listeners are there for the mu= sic not cool/cute talk.=20 The TV broadcasters used to go to black between programs and spots but chan= ged that when "spot removal" became available.=20 Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:45:12 -0800 (PST) Not too long ago, a similar idea was available on S-VHS machines from JVC, = and maybe others, too. =C3=82=C2=A0Did it work? =C3=82=C2=A0Well, sort of. = =C3=82=C2=A0The "spot removal" was done on playback, but the principal was = similar. =C3=82=C2=A0When the signs of a spot starting or ending were recog= nizable, no problem, it worked fine. But many times the spot "merged" with = the program in such a way that the VCR couldn't tell. =C3=82=C2=A0Possibly,= the TV stations got hip to this, and made sure to "merge" this way, but th= at is a suspicion on my part.Will this new system not also be prone to how = the spots and music are connected?As any good Drake-inspired DJ knows, it i= s cool to talk over the intro (that's why it is listed on the record lable,= and why we had those big countdown-to- shut-up darkroom timers),cross fade= the tables=C3=82=C2=A0(sorry, the CDs, or whatever the current thing is)= =C3=82=C2=A0and generally make sure the needles on the VUs NEVER touch the = lower peg for even an instant! =C3=82=C2=A0(Yeah, showing my age, huh.) =C3=82=C2=A0So how is this device going to handle that, I wonder? =C3=82=C2=A0Block out th= e intro when the DJ is talking, or leave him in?=C3=82=C2=A0How about when = a spot is so well matched, and so perfectly cued, that it sounds like a con= tinuation of the music? =C3=82=C2=A0Even the totally-automated FM I listen = to during the day has enough overlap between jingles, spots, sounders, and = music, that there is seldom a split second of silence. =C3=82=C2=A0Add to t= hat, songs that include a moment of silence, (you know, the part where a go= od DJ makes some kind of crazy sound, or remark like "Oh Baby!" or "Have Me= rcy!")Besides, why would anybody WANT to drop the DJ? =C3=82=C2=A0Have they= gotten THAT bad, that is where they even exist anymore? (Howard Stern asid= e)I'm sure this new gadget will make a lot of non-music content disappear, = but won't it butcher the front and back of the song in the process? =C3=82= =C2=A0Pardon my skepticism, but I'll believe it when I hear it!G.=C3=82=C2= =A0 --- On Thu, 2/11/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 4:55 PM Avoid Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Jake Sigal, founder and CEO of Myine Electronics, has designed his new "com= mercial- free" FM radio with his parents in mind. "I give my parents my old iPods. They don't use them," because they don't w= ant to go through the process of connecting the devices to a computer, down= loading music and creating a playlist to hear the music. Myine's Abbee model AB001 promises to remove the commercials and DJ talk fo= r hours of uninterrupted music. Whether that's a good thing depends, I supp= ose, on how you feel about commercials and DJs. Sigal said when you tune to a station, the FM tuner records the audio strea= m. Using Popcatcher technology, a "detection algorithm," it analyzes the au= dio and removes the spots and DJ patter. The individual songs are saved as = MP3 files and stored on the docked Music Lock portable player for playback = over the built-in speakers or elsewhere. The player has a 500 song capacity= , or 2 GB of storage space, according to the company. Myine worked with the National Federation for the Blind to make the portabl= e player accessible. The buttons for skip, pause, play, fast-forward, as we= ll as save and delete commands are all raised and are different shapes. The Abbee commercial-free music system is shipping now and available from M= yine and Amazon. It lists for $249.99. And here's another unique part =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9D or scary part, for = a commercial music station. Sweden-based Popcatcher says its technology "ca= n be integrated with almost every kind of media player that contains a radi= o." It's pursuing deals to integrate its technology in cell phones, portabl= e MP3 players, and car stereos. Popcatcher says it can detect repeat songs = and skip those, too.=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Sun Feb 14 15:00:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7323 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2010 23:00:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2010 23:00:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2010 23:00:12 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail05.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.145]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABFZTACYA2GE9MJ for (sender ); Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:59:34 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8u1YACeBcBeJNtXwEb9BgU= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail05.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P6R2CHZL; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:58:45 PST X-Received: from [99.154.128.82] by webmail05.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:58:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:58:29 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100214.145829.767.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 8553 X-ContentStamp: 28:14:3316262861 X-MAIL-INFO:2d5f0b6bc727aec7ee270b6e7a33f79ade8afa8acef3aadecbb7fedb5bc3478aea6b0b17038a178e0ff30f6bae1727cee76e0ac70fd7e74ebf7e9f37bb5eafbbd35e9faadf7a67434e2e3e2e973f234ee33b3a0e9b83ca2e33379f775b2e772af73ff737af775e97dbaacb27277a0fcee77a57d7d70ad76f7fd3de5b3a8b47a3fac3ea1703735f1e4e17a3ea0fa77a1e7aeeb3 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.145|webmail05.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=xbHr-OJRZx6G5v1NWdeu3ZgZpa_M4_cHCVG0WufUDw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn We live in an iPOD world and chatter on a music intro can lead to an unhapp= y listener and a "DELETE." Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:47:46 -0800 (PST) Well, I DID attend a Tejano festival last fall, and the band played for alm= ost a minute while the MC did a welcome speech. =C2=A0Exception for sure, b= ut anything can happen. As for respecting the artist, absolutely! =C2=A0I couldn't agree more, BUT = when a record is released with the intro time plainly printed on the label,= I would imagine the artist understands that talking may take place during = that time, =C2=A0Guess it's a matter of prevailing formats, I can't imagine= a classical station doing this, but it WAS the accepted practice on many t= op-forty stations, and considering that some artists are even clever enough= to "second guess" what such things as processing will probably do to their= product and mix accordingly, is it a far stretch that they may allow a non= -vocal intro SO that they can be properly introduced/promoted?(BTW, Casey K= asem STILL starts playback while talking...for HIM it works OK.) Not trying to be argumentative, Don, I just think IN IT'S PROPER PLACE, usi= ng the intro for a bed is a good practice, it makes for a smooth "flow" of = program. =C2=A0Can't imagine how different such giants as WLS, CKLW, or XER= OK =C2=A0would have fared with strict avoidance of such a thing. =C2=A0Mayb= e Drake broke some long-standing taboos, but it sure didn't do the industry= any harm at the time! (super-fast power-cue turntables: invented BY a DJ FOR DJ's...timing was EV= ERYTHING!) G=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 --- On Sun, 2/14/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 11:59 AM =20=20=20=20=20 I have never attended a music event where the downbeat preceded the e= nd of the introduction. Guy Lombardo style excepted. It is a matter of having respect for those who create the product. People listen for the music as the artists recorded it. It should not be tr= eated a fill material between cool/cute DJ chatter. I was a "player of old phonograph records" and that's my gig. Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:38:53 -0800 (PST) They can't even talk over the intro? =C2=A0Seems the whole reason for an in= tro is for the DJ to introduce the song with a music bed, but maybe I'm jus= t stuck in the Drake era....G --- On Fri, 2/12/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:57 PM We still use DJs on some shows but they are absolutely prohibited from talk= ing over the featured music at any time. Our listeners are there for the mu= sic not cool/cute talk.=20 The TV broadcasters used to go to black between programs and spots but chan= ged that when "spot removal" became available.=20 Don ---------- Original Message ---------- From: george russell To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:45:12 -0800 (PST) Not too long ago, a similar idea was available on S-VHS machines from JVC, = and maybe others, too. =C3=82=C2=A0Did it work? =C3=82=C2=A0Well, sort of. = =C3=82=C2=A0The "spot removal" was done on playback, but the principal was = similar. =C3=82=C2=A0When the signs of a spot starting or ending were recog= nizable, no problem, it worked fine. But many times the spot "merged" with = the program in such a way that the VCR couldn't tell. =C3=82=C2=A0Possibly,= the TV stations got hip to this, and made sure to "merge" this way, but th= at is a suspicion on my part.Will this new system not also be prone to how = the spots and music are connected?As any good Drake-inspired DJ knows, it i= s cool to talk over the intro (that's why it is listed on the record lable,= and why we had those big countdown-to- shut-up darkroom timers),cross fade= the tables=C3=82=C2=A0(sorry, the CDs, or whatever the current thing is)= =C3=82=C2=A0and generally make sure the needles on the VUs NEVER touch the = lower peg for even an instant! =C3=82=C2=A0(Yeah, showing my age, huh.) =C3=82=C2=A0So how is this device going to handle that, I wonder? =C3=82=C2=A0Block out th= e intro when the DJ is talking, or leave him in?=C3=82=C2=A0How about when = a spot is so well matched, and so perfectly cued, that it sounds like a con= tinuation of the music? =C3=82=C2=A0Even the totally-automated FM I listen = to during the day has enough overlap between jingles, spots, sounders, and = music, that there is seldom a split second of silence. =C3=82=C2=A0Add to t= hat, songs that include a moment of silence, (you know, the part where a go= od DJ makes some kind of crazy sound, or remark like "Oh Baby!" or "Have Me= rcy!")Besides, why would anybody WANT to drop the DJ? =C3=82=C2=A0Have they= gotten THAT bad, that is where they even exist anymore? (Howard Stern asid= e)I'm sure this new gadget will make a lot of non-music content disappear, = but won't it butcher the front and back of the song in the process? =C3=82= =C2=A0Pardon my skepticism, but I'll believe it when I hear it!G.=C3=82=C2= =A0 --- On Thu, 2/11/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 4:55 PM Avoid Lousy Spots and Worse DJs Jake Sigal, founder and CEO of Myine Electronics, has designed his new "com= mercial- free" FM radio with his parents in mind. "I give my parents my old iPods. They don't use them," because they don't w= ant to go through the process of connecting the devices to a computer, down= loading music and creating a playlist to hear the music. Myine's Abbee model AB001 promises to remove the commercials and DJ talk fo= r hours of uninterrupted music. Whether that's a good thing depends, I supp= ose, on how you feel about commercials and DJs. Sigal said when you tune to a station, the FM tuner records the audio strea= m. Using Popcatcher technology, a "detection algorithm," it analyzes the au= dio and removes the spots and DJ patter. The individual songs are saved as = MP3 files and stored on the docked Music Lock portable player for playback = over the built-in speakers or elsewhere. The player has a 500 song capacity= , or 2 GB of storage space, according to the company. Myine worked with the National Federation for the Blind to make the portabl= e player accessible. The buttons for skip, pause, play, fast-forward, as we= ll as save and delete commands are all raised and are different shapes. The Abbee commercial-free music system is shipping now and available from M= yine and Amazon. It lists for $249.99. And here's another unique part =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9D or scary part, for = a commercial music station. Sweden-based Popcatcher says its technology "ca= n be integrated with almost every kind of media player that contains a radi= o." It's pursuing deals to integrate its technology in cell phones, portabl= e MP3 players, and car stereos. Popcatcher says it can detect repeat songs = and skip those, too.=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Feb 15 06:17:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64717 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2010 14:17:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2010 14:17:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2010 14:17:41 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.173] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100215081716002250200010.0) with SMTP id <20100215081716002250200010> for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:17:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005401caae4a$3f718e60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <144b6.1e2d3710.38a8e232@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 08:17:16 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Instant Radio Blast X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Bz2yoyXpBZeEahcoVd-_NX-o_Bho0-hcjRPO2Moaaiz2UvFEyruG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Talk radio version of Radio Noordzee, anyone? Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:21 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Instant Radio Blast Wow. What an idea! We could have Suddenly Obama. I wonder if the U.S. would have to pay Venezula royalties on the idea? President Obama already drops in on Letterman, Leno, Colbert, etc.. But what if he could drop in on Rush, Hannity, Beck, etc.? That would be great. Chavez. What a radio innovator! Mike --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kevtronics@yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 12:33:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kevtronics@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89058 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2010 20:33:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2010 20:33:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2010 20:33:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2010 20:31:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2010 20:31:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:31:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 68.239.238.79 From: "Kevin" Subject: MetroSound AM Stereo converters on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47267257; y=YM-9U0v0-4cgstAGF02gWU-Ccb_OGgTi6lm4tjg5rmRFALkpEg X-Yahoo-Profile: kevtronics Apparently the large warehouse stock of MetroSound multi-system AM Stereo c= onverters still exists somewhere. A liquidator in California is now sellin= g them on eBay for $40.00 (or best offer) each, plus shipping: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D330333760864 If you want one, I would definitely choose "Make Offer" and try your luck a= t bargaining the seller down a bit. From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Feb 15 14:37:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45635 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2010 22:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2010 22:37:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2010 22:37:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14498 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2010 22:37:41 -0000 Message-ID: <369156.12689.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: HKhPIAMVM1mtWqMtSGri.Id4ieHJXcc8Gf3J3lgQykXlybSJmasIiGYaCslkYn0Ca7pu8V1jKjlqyMvO3Erw6V2c.C2aetH26Fhp0uhXppFG6FmfYdx2tlmAprN42qIlKDEQakYx_a4Sp09wdTYD424vfUjneAfE_G.HrUoUbYbS6xIyRsZJ7HWuFcKkqlVJTdBncYAOHBkuLLMM6qYdlc4g_BdQj6d8rhGEojySRzYipcEYXdVALL1.8LIg2UTHv3x1a82ZQaulsTm48RmW8IiKbAi2vdHDHxv0WzrryhJadHooefXVsn5RcpYRwM70lRJxXFPmqLxBg3KM3ax8VZkGlco- X-Received: from [76.241.191.43] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:37:41 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:37:41 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20100214.145829.767.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=co_nzevSkamaxQ5sHZmHUYniXRWS-y8vHuLp65DssNJcMA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 SOME of us live in an iPod world, not me. Nothing against Apple, I just don= 't like how they sound, can't stand compressed audio unless it's a real hig= h bit-rate and prefferably ATRAC instead of MP3.=20 But you're right, I guess it's a whole new ballgame today. Pity, folks don= 't know what they're missing! G --- On Sun, 2/14/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: > From: W6YN Don Milbury > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 5:58 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > We live in an iPOD world and chatter on a music > intro can lead to an unhappy listener and a > "DELETE." >=20 >=20 >=20 > Don >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------- Original Message ---------- >=20 > From: george russell com> >=20 > To: amstereoforum@ > yahoogroups. com >=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs >=20 > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:47:46 -0800 (PST) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Well, I DID attend a Tejano festival last fall, and the > band played for almost a minute while the MC did a welcome > speech. =C2=A0Exception for sure, but anything can happen. >=20 > As for respecting the artist, absolutely! =C2=A0I couldn't > agree more, BUT when a record is released with the intro > time plainly printed on the label, I would imagine the > artist understands that talking may take place during that > time, =C2=A0Guess it's a matter of prevailing formats, I > can't imagine a classical station doing this, but it WAS > the accepted practice on many top-forty stations, and > considering that some artists are even clever enough to > "second guess" what such things as processing will > probably do to their product and mix accordingly, is it a > far stretch that they may allow a non-vocal intro SO that > they can be properly introduced/promoted ?(BTW, Casey Kasem > STILL starts playback while talking...for HIM it works OK.) >=20 > Not trying to be argumentative, Don, I just think IN > IT'S PROPER PLACE, using the intro for a bed is a good > practice, it makes for a smooth "flow" of program. > =C2=A0Can't imagine how different such giants as WLS, CKLW, > or XEROK =C2=A0would have fared with strict avoidance of such a > thing. =C2=A0Maybe Drake broke some long-standing taboos, but it > sure didn't do the industry any harm at the time! >=20 > (super-fast power-cue turntables: invented BY a DJ FOR > DJ's...timing was EVERYTHING!) >=20 > G=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 2/14/10, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury >=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs >=20 > To: amstereoforum@ > yahoogroups. com >=20 > Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 11:59 AM >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > I have never attended a music event where the > downbeat preceded the end of the introduction. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Guy Lombardo style excepted. >=20 >=20 >=20 > It is a matter of having respect for those who create the > product. >=20 >=20 >=20 > People listen for the music as the artists recorded it. It > should not be treated a fill material between cool/cute DJ > chatter. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I was a "player of old phonograph records" and > that's my gig. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Don >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------- Original Message ---------- >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: george russell >=20 >=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 >=20 >=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs >=20 >=20 >=20 > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 19:38:53 -0800 (PST) >=20 >=20 >=20 > They can't even talk over the intro? =C2=A0Seems the whole > reason for an intro is for the DJ to introduce the song with > a music bed, but maybe I'm just stuck in the Drake > era....G >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Fri, 2/12/10, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury >=20 >=20 >=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs >=20 >=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 >=20 >=20 > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 6:57 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 > We still use DJs on some shows but they are absolutely > prohibited from talking over the featured music at any time. > Our listeners are there for the music not cool/cute talk.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > The TV broadcasters used to go to black between programs > and spots but changed that when "spot removal" > became available.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Don >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------- Original Message ---------- >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: george russell >=20 >=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 >=20 >=20 > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs >=20 >=20 >=20 > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:45:12 -0800 (PST) >=20 >=20 >=20 > Not too long ago, a similar idea was available on S-VHS > machines from JVC, and maybe others, too. =C3=82=C2=A0Did it work? > =C3=82=C2=A0Well, sort of. =C3=82=C2=A0The "spot removal" was done > on playback, but the principal was similar. =C3=82=C2=A0When the > signs of a spot starting or ending were recognizable, no > problem, it worked fine. But many times the spot > "merged" with the program in such a way that the > VCR couldn't tell. =C3=82=C2=A0Possibly, the TV stations got hip > to this, and made sure to "merge" this way, but > that is a suspicion on my part.Will this new system not also > be prone to how the spots and music are connected?As any > good Drake-inspired DJ knows, it is cool to talk over the > intro (that's why it is listed on the record lable, and > why we had those big countdown-to- shut-up darkroom > timers),cross fade the tables=C3=82=C2=A0(sorry, the CDs, or > whatever the current thing is)=C3=82=C2=A0and generally make sure > the needles on the VUs NEVER touch the lower peg for even an > instant! =C3=82=C2=A0(Yeah, showing >=20 >=20 >=20 > my age, huh.) =C3=82=C2=A0So >=20 >=20 >=20 > how is this device going to handle that, I wonder? > =C3=82=C2=A0Block out the intro when the DJ is talking, or leave him > in?=C3=82=C2=A0How about when a spot is so well matched, and so > perfectly cued, that it sounds like a continuation of the > music? =C3=82=C2=A0Even the totally-automated FM I listen to during > the day has enough overlap between jingles, spots, sounders, > and music, that there is seldom a split second of silence. > =C3=82=C2=A0Add to that, songs that include a moment of silence, > (you know, the part where a good DJ makes some kind of crazy > sound, or remark like "Oh Baby!" or "Have > Mercy!")Besides, why would anybody WANT to drop the DJ? > =C3=82=C2=A0Have they gotten THAT bad, that is where they even exist > anymore? (Howard Stern aside)I'm sure this new gadget > will make a lot of non-music content disappear, but > won't it butcher the front and back of the song in the > process? =C3=82=C2=A0Pardon my skepticism, but I'll believe it > when I hear it!G.=C3=82=C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- On Thu, 2/11/10, W6YN Don Milbury > wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury >=20 >=20 >=20 > Subject: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs >=20 >=20 >=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com >=20 >=20 >=20 > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 4:55 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 > Avoid Lousy Spots and Worse DJs >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jake Sigal, founder and CEO of Myine Electronics, has > designed his new "commercial- free" FM radio with > his parents in mind. >=20 >=20 >=20 > "I give my parents my old iPods. They don't use > them," because they don't want to go through the > process of connecting the devices to a computer, downloading > music and creating a playlist to hear the music. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Myine's Abbee model AB001 promises to remove the > commercials and DJ talk for hours of uninterrupted music. > Whether that's a good thing depends, I suppose, on how > you feel about commercials and DJs. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sigal said when you tune to a station, the FM tuner records > the audio stream. Using Popcatcher technology, a > "detection algorithm," it analyzes the audio and > removes the spots and DJ patter. The individual songs are > saved as MP3 files and stored on the docked Music Lock > portable player for playback over the built-in speakers or > elsewhere. The player has a 500 song capacity, or 2 GB of > storage space, according to the company. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Myine worked with the National Federation for the Blind to > make the portable player accessible. The buttons for skip, > pause, play, fast-forward, as well as save and delete > commands are all raised and are different shapes. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The Abbee commercial-free music system is shipping now and > available from Myine and Amazon. It lists for $249.99. >=20 >=20 >=20 > And here's another unique part =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9D or scary part, > for a commercial music station. Sweden-based Popcatcher says > its technology "can be integrated with almost every > kind of media player that contains a radio." It's > pursuing deals to integrate its technology in cell phones, > portable MP3 players, and car stereos. Popcatcher says it > can detect repeat songs and skip those, too.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 >=20 >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: >=20 > http://groups. > yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 07:51:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25876 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2010 15:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2010 15:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2010 15:51:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2010 15:51:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2010 15:51:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:51:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: MetroSound AM Stereo converters on eBay X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=VGeYUkLp3OMkhJopHgjypchwoXRk_wrgkTxmOwwyxgAPio3_fWbtwcY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio He's got a thousand of them, but he wouldn't bargain with me. JP --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" wrote: > > Apparently the large warehouse stock of MetroSound multi-system AM Stereo= converters still exists somewhere. A liquidator in California is now sell= ing them on eBay for $40.00 (or best offer) each, plus shipping: >=20 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D330333760864 >=20 > If you want one, I would definitely choose "Make Offer" and try your luck= at bargaining the seller down a bit. > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 07:56:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70258 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2010 15:56:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2010 15:56:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2010 15:56:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2010 15:54:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2010 15:54:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:54:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <369156.12689.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=E720fclRUPQ-l_p8u0fH4HdksqYTOtVQ4uEN5cV1CdsXQFDWzDynX6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Our Sunday paper listed how VINYL sales have gone up over 50% in the USA wi= th new vinyl selling over 2 million units last year, while CD sales have go= ne down 26% - the 'record' companies just don't get it do they? I agree, Sony's ATRAC (MiniDisc) digital audio is light-years better than a= ny MP3 format, and actually sounds better than a cassette to my ears! John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > SOME of us live in an iPod world, not me. Nothing against Apple, I just d= on't like how they sound, can't stand compressed audio unless it's a real h= igh bit-rate and prefferably ATRAC instead of MP3.=20 > But you're right, I guess it's a whole new ballgame today. Pity, folks d= on't know what they're missing! > G From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Feb 16 14:15:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17678 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2010 22:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2010 22:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2010 22:15:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36245 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2010 22:15:46 -0000 Message-ID: <850331.35770.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: eHoFzPQVM1lW3vAyg24dEky_UCinswn58n6.840l49Q6z08YGKLfiTxW1NdMJK2meBHP4PoXIjsrDXq7q2odj5oZkFTaIcuh88oztwlcl.FeHdtVoPn7rh3ozZ_63MDYTVPInhw7CWltaAyCSu10VdPA2WbELkm_JnWVmJ644Fc_mcr8veCnqWOGnxNzSrebmWYfe5yjsO0v1J.IlxWjyjaNBZGOQCMchRYgcSjszv0kTmeDKOfbrO08dxL7VC2nXaAajZi64T59GC4Z2JhWrY0KSnHUgCV9UIfKEJUbLaRAWjY7Vx4xIP2syDGjJdtaTQeOjy.DKzjVuLYZxEk8Dc7cb.upwzwUTGmmVcidLpoi2UY20iAMlGE- X-Received: from [76.234.171.226] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:15:46 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:15:46 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=EFRS7KZOsfeQ0Qwd3O5nkNQrs4W4XRD9LGlrlgPjq-KbvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Great news, maybe they better dust off those old Scullys and start masterin= g with renewed enthusiasm! I've told more than one person with a big vinyl = collection to save that $200 for a new CD player, and spend it on a better = cartridge. The great sound is in those grooves, IF you work to get it out. G=20=20 --- On Tue, 2/16/10, toledohamradio wrote: > From: toledohamradio > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Lousy Spots and Worse DJs > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 10:54 AM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > Our Sunday paper listed how VINYL sales have gone > up over 50% in the USA with new vinyl selling over 2 million > units last year, while CD sales have gone down 26% - the > 'record' companies just don't get it do they? >=20 > I agree, Sony's ATRAC (MiniDisc) digital audio is > light-years better than any MP3 format, and actually sounds > better than a cassette to my ears! >=20 >=20 >=20 > John >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ > yahoogroups. com, george russell > wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > SOME of us live in an iPod world, not me. Nothing > against Apple, I just don't like how they sound, > can't stand compressed audio unless it's a real high > bit-rate and prefferably ATRAC instead of MP3.=20 >=20 > > But you're right, I guess it's a whole new > ballgame today. Pity, folks don't know what they're > missing! >=20 > > G >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Wed Feb 17 13:20:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60590 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2010 21:19:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2010 21:19:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2010 21:19:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2010 21:16:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2010 21:16:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:16:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20100211.135530.9413.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: Lousy Spots and Worse DJs X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=5kq_iY8UP9tVO9Z8XEWX7gtCW48zGQH7tG8Xrs7LNV4u-VwMqqGMI8AA X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote= : > > Avoid Lousy Spots and Worse DJs >=20 > Jake Sigal, founder and CEO of Myine Electronics, has designed his new "c= ommercial-free" FM radio with his parents in mind. Many years ago, I saw a mention in _Radio_Electronics_ magazine about a "FM= Commercial Killer" circuit. Although the schematic was not in that issue,= the description of the circuit's operation was that after no left-right se= paration had been detected for some length of time, the speakers would be m= uted. The assumption was that most commercials were mastered in mono. The= control room mic would also engage the circuit because it virtually always= is panned dead-center. The main intent of this circuit, in my recollection, was for those who wish= ed to use the radio to provide background music for offices and businesses.= This circuit came from an era when a lot of commercials were likely mixed= in mono and easy listening (which normally did not have song intros or mus= ic beds playing under the announcers) ruled the FM dial. Of course, some 2= 0-30 years later, the FM dial any place in North America is nothing like th= at. It would be interesting to see how the Myine commercial free radio's c= ommercial elimination algorithm works. (Hint: I can think of several techn= iques that they might employ: 1] They may have some smart adaptive algorith= m that expects the commercials to appear in blocks and looks for certain pa= tterns to occur, such as mono audio from the DJ mic, repeated station IDs, = etc. 2] They may be monitoring RDS or HD data streams to see when artist a= nd title information is transmitted) From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Wed Feb 17 13:32:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80853 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2010 21:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Feb 2010 21:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2010 21:31:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2010 21:29:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Feb 2010 21:29:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:29:26 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <903486.98513.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: {AMSF} How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=dl0HhJkX8tDZjRKq3k67XIkQpkHM_Su7WrQTkRK08JO9ep01Av5dUfVe X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > No, never that power. They ran 500,000 watts as an experimental transmitt= er before WW II, but went back to=A050. That original 50KW still works.=20 At that time (mid 1930s), there was a broadcast power race going on! There= was a Russian longwave station that went to 500 kW, and there were a numbe= r of other European longwave and mediumwave stations that kept increasing t= heir powers. The difference between the stations on this hemisphere and th= e European stations was that the European ones were chartered by their resp= ective governments. --Alfredo From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 07:07:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53588 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2010 15:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2010 15:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2010 15:07:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2010 15:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2010 15:06:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:06:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=FPHv-e_i4sQkyueSkitJ0pibOocWac810EZlFhTTpm4aT5uZzzC2Yeo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio somebody wrote: "..."I give my parents my old iPods. They don't use them," = because they don't want to go through the process of connecting the devices= to a computer, downloading music and creating a playlist to hear the music= ..." I've found that besides giving my parents an XM subscription so that they c= an listen to "Escape", that Radio Shack has a "SlotRadio" (on sale now for = $50 and you can use the $10 off coupon by signing-up online with your email= ) that is go for people who don't want to screw-around with playlists. It = comes with a microSD card with a thousand songs and you can buy other cards= , like 'oldies' that give you another 1000 songs for $30. BUT the best part= is this also have an FM Radio (no AM sorry to say) BUT the FM radio has RD= S - even though it's not mentioned anywhere in the paperwork - and decodes = the song titles, but shows the wrong station ID for 2 stations, other than = that it's great. BUT the text is about 8 point text, so you need your bifoc= als to use it. Just another option besides MPE players. Audio quality is NOT nearly as goo= d as a MiniDisc, but has large buttons, very easy controls, anybody, includ= ing our technotard parents, will have no problem operating the unit. Now i= f they could just add AM! 73s John From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 07:32:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92626 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2010 14:49:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2010 14:49:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2010 14:49:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2010 14:48:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Feb 2010 14:48:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:48:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=hxjJTbrLQ_QZGWgurbZ2M0SOshFmKUvnXKZvXw8aNTMLp0yOD-JN1Hk X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Supposedly, mein fueher complained about that station in 'Zinzinnati' - whe= re that was bunk from Crosley Broadcasting or the truth, but 500KW at 700KH= z on that iron diamond antenna, I'll betcha there was a good chance WLW's "= W8XO?" station was heard overseas. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "AlfredoT" > > > > No, never that power. They ran 500,000 watts as an experimental transmi= tter before WW II, but went back to=A050. That original 50KW still works.=20 >=20 > At that time (mid 1930s), there was a broadcast power race going on! The= re was a Russian longwave station that went to 500 kW, and there were a num= ber of other European longwave and mediumwave stations that kept increasing= their powers. The difference between the stations on this hemisphere and = the European stations was that the European ones were chartered by their re= spective governments. >=20 > --Alfredo > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 07:35:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69275 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2010 14:52:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2010 14:52:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2010 14:52:18 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4159 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Feb 2010 14:52:18 -0000 Message-ID: <426371.3612.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Uh2AvJMVM1lVk6ky1C1w.bHtHoJFHJiUKTpMqZbuLPWhISXvlk3noQxI56IAPyuxinN0fVDbVNJENZnKJ2atuWjoWrRzG6HvRelplr2QxNTnuWy8w0W3nAGCrLLND.FHdzZAoJCzMWTIpVE5ZnvynZ4IEA02GGRpJs9ggJA2sljCv6A6MMhBH4JwfYY3SFGf6LfsMtn0oXSn8iAn8j88AJhD36nPOjqneU4jmVVXZUK4vHgA3IBRKCtYv_CPm6vscE0azMGGbeRq6abLP9p830j7RY5aYan4Mxj2yAi0z_7r X-Received: from [72.240.61.26] by web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:52:18 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:52:18 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John P." Subject: "Commercial Killer" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=w-nzFJqMHKhJIa1ujomBh6ftkcShE40zxToud5-PgsbLmfrAZuIachY X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Alfredo, I think you're on to something using the RDS. That is the ONLY good thing I can say about CC here is that 3 of their FM's have a very good RDS system, but the 5 Cumulus are cr*p and don't use it! When they play 'non-music' (syndicated programs, blabbing, commercial spots), the RDS returns the to the station 'logo' such as "101.5 The River" and stays on until a song title appears - so if you could 'mute' the tuner when the 'logo' text is in the RDS, that would work! Sounds like another Alfredo project to me! 73's John From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Feb 18 15:19:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2692 invoked from network); 18 Feb 2010 23:17:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Feb 2010 23:17:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gx0-f212.google.com) (209.85.217.212) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2010 23:17:12 -0000 X-Received: by gxk4 with SMTP id 4so2665089gxk.5 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:16:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.209.15 with SMTP id h15mr502511ybg.267.1266535000668; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:16:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (70-57-229-206.tcso.qwest.net [70.57.229.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm3890004yxh.22.2010.02.18.15.16.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:16:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003801cab0f0$6c3df5c0$4a00a8c0@xppro> To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 16:16:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.217.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=NlGKszetWj8uWzG8glywqreKpeQG68UKJw3tEXXG6tqw_psVLoxP X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what does this normally cost? also can you customize your cards? ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:06 AM Subject: {AMSF} OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers somebody wrote: "..."I give my parents my old iPods. They don't use them," because they don't want to go through the process of connecting the devices to a computer, downloading music and creating a playlist to hear the music..." I've found that besides giving my parents an XM subscription so that they can listen to "Escape", that Radio Shack has a "SlotRadio" (on sale now for $50 and you can use the $10 off coupon by signing-up online with your email) that is go for people who don't want to screw-around with playlists. It comes with a microSD card with a thousand songs and you can buy other cards, like 'oldies' that give you another 1000 songs for $30. BUT the best part is this also have an FM Radio (no AM sorry to say) BUT the FM radio has RDS - even though it's not mentioned anywhere in the paperwork - and decodes the song titles, but shows the wrong station ID for 2 stations, other than that it's great. BUT the text is about 8 point text, so you need your bifocals to use it. Just another option besides MPE players. Audio quality is NOT nearly as good as a MiniDisc, but has large buttons, very easy controls, anybody, including our technotard parents, will have no problem operating the unit. Now if they could just add AM! 73s John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 20:14:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25340 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 04:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 04:14:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.201) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 04:14:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23352 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2010 04:14:51 -0000 Message-ID: <620621.21851.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: QeXa25sVM1krQLHsdlQ72LK6yTy_86Qznf_y.ItwLUq4SkrT23Gf94pqpJtED0fYMOGXQ9BtsBDuhboL25KWoD6HgKHJxKHzB6ZuIb.t3ohS9mukqNPqV4faQ.I8x0S5ZUj10P.ij6Gx2ccLM6ZGaralf0UsH97if7Z8SqYE76l36nyR0_xNNZ7BbPYMIyxAUFg.2ACcE.wnhnl4uEJf7Q6VCzlX1V7mNY8cLIxFkakYktoOs1IDlhBIlgzUGCXGUHT1m5RicRbfUeTvJBsUYjlH26tk6JrUjTus6mGJnH3ZwxyPMCVQ5lTN11Og6q1lhthUdRfcFznRXtf21Q9tFmzqdyJi7T5YEDgpyV4DmuMgQoFLGuhkVMQ- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:14:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:14:51 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.201 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=8kxd3mUyy_guAEK9fXK4P6XYGWj2Uz7AC6BRjkBB4aLxhg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yup, ol' Schickelgruber DID bitch about WLW, and they were heard well in Eu= rope.Back then the noise floor really was a FLOOR, very few stations on the= air, and I imagine 500 kW. pretty much insured consistent global coverage.= =C2=A0One of the engineers at the time, Mr. Charles Stinger is alive and w= ell today, and a member of Michigan Antique Radio Club. =C2=A0I have had th= e pleasure of listening to his stories of those glorious days of high power= , and it makes me wish I had been born a few decades sooner! People could h= ear the station on tin roofs in the area, lights would not go completely ou= t when turned off, many cool things, but Crosley did NOT power a car with t= he signal as legend has often told. (But I'll bet a decent crystal set ofte= n powered a good sized speaker!)G =C2=A0 --- On Thu, 2/18/10, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} Re: How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:48 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Supposedly, mein fueher complained about that station in 'Zinzinnati'= - where that was bunk from Crosley Broadcasting or the truth, but 500KW at= 700KHz on that iron diamond antenna, I'll betcha there was a good chance W= LW's "W8XO?" station was heard overseas. --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "AlfredoT" > > > > No, never that power. They ran 500,000 watts as an experimental transmi= tter before WW II, but went back to=C2=A050. That original 50KW still works= .=20 >=20 > At that time (mid 1930s), there was a broadcast power race going on! The= re was a Russian longwave station that went to 500 kW, and there were a num= ber of other European longwave and mediumwave stations that kept increasing= their powers. The difference between the stations on this hemisphere and = the European stations was that the European ones were chartered by their re= spective governments. >=20 > --Alfredo > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 20:17:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39038 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 04:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 04:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 04:17:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2010 04:14:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2010 04:14:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:14:56 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <426371.3612.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.127 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: "Commercial Killer" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=TVCqEs3bEzzcwsBFEWY45snUfUqB6_kE8xfRiLS6zXGNHKyCIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I knew something about an algorithm to try to "see" the music logic to try = to identify a song and a commercial. Theorically, a song has a music logic (any sound component of the song has = a basic tempo and rhythm). We expect a commercial don't have the same music= logic (but the jingles). Then, some kind of algorithm could "see" the diff= erences and, eventually, to "kill" the commercials. Of course, it is just a theory. I don't know any about some real experiment= about that. The best thing would be if the goverments understand the radio as a people = basic necessity and pay to the radios to avoid the commercials. At least, let me dream about a better world!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "John P." wrote: > > Alfredo, I think you're on to something using the RDS. That is the ONLY g= ood thing I can say about CC here is that 3 of their FM's have a very good = RDS system, but the 5 Cumulus are cr*p and don't use it! >=20 > When they play 'non-music' (syndicated programs, blabbing, commercial spo= ts), the RDS returns the to the station 'logo' such as "101.5 The River" an= d stays on until a song title appears - so if you could 'mute' the tuner wh= en the 'logo' text is in the RDS, that would work! >=20 > Sounds like another Alfredo project to me! > 73's > John > From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 20:22:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86489 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 04:22:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 04:22:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.197) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 04:22:22 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86031 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2010 04:22:15 -0000 Message-ID: <882013.83774.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: d1oWKREVM1k2vetUWR3_ejNUOS5XNLbbMEVEPFftpKxx8THbkWGMpWSne7o8OniPuhnu.nVpOqGRWwL6OTY0ZECpdC3ZvFwg2.KzUGXCoEOaDFT4w_nI5H6ri2c4e20E1TUrRWH8v2IkSvQrYO4rR373Cs_82gm8prjFNsa_S_vXqVS7AkXLftnj6Yo10JqUYxWyRkOWqMng5y7nqiZUSOTxr6e43r8WHLIsHkBs1HvZ8_wafaApmnygXa9Qaqc6RMMOrkvoI1wKOqpdsgzN_nVxsJ58yw6JHI3XUXqyBXY2bVcdE1bZJR3nG3_iOLpwqyV.ZKthcCBrbEHVt0Uz6HLgg4TpIHHUSUH8YvB3Np2bKoZZMW9POs5N X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:22:15 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:22:15 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.197 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=-T63mUDNQDfGHqgv_0MNbWikJlBxP5hQ3RNIMIlYweChdA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd get one for my Dad, if I could ween him off of the local rock station. = 80 years old and listening to Heavy Metal, and thinks 3 Dog Night is "too m= ellow". NOT a candidate for an MP3 or MD or XM, I'm afraid. G --- On Thu, 2/18/10, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 10:06 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 somebody wrote: "..."I give my parents my old iPods. They don't use t= hem," because they don't want to go through the process of connecting the d= evices to a computer, downloading music and creating a playlist to hear the= music..." I've found that besides giving my parents an XM subscription so that they c= an listen to "Escape", that Radio Shack has a "SlotRadio" (on sale now for = $50 and you can use the $10 off coupon by signing-up online with your email= ) that is go for people who don't want to screw-around with playlists. It = comes with a microSD card with a thousand songs and you can buy other cards= , like 'oldies' that give you another 1000 songs for $30. BUT the best part= is this also have an FM Radio (no AM sorry to say) BUT the FM radio has RD= S - even though it's not mentioned anywhere in the paperwork - and decodes = the song titles, but shows the wrong station ID for 2 stations, other than = that it's great. BUT the text is about 8 point text, so you need your bifoc= als to use it. Just another option besides MPE players. Audio quality is NOT nearly as goo= d as a MiniDisc, but has large buttons, very easy controls, anybody, includ= ing our technotard parents, will have no problem operating the unit. Now i= f they could just add AM! 73s John =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Feb 18 20:25:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84905 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 04:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 04:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 04:25:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2010 04:22:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2010 04:22:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:22:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.63.127 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=aPeRX3arDc-bMWi_onGJ2n1Ra9zg580o74regPoIALbSTzVTZw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if someone here knows some trick about how to restore the audio di= stortion due to the physical damage produced by the stylus friction. I'm sp= eaking about vinyl records, of course. I mean, with Cool Edit Pro is relatively easy to remove the scratch and dus= t noise. Another thing is the distortion which is not easy or impossible (t= o me, at least). Any idea? ??? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Feb 18 20:36:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94549 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 04:36:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 04:36:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f44.google.com) (209.85.160.44) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 04:36:58 -0000 X-Received: by pwj10 with SMTP id 10so308012pwj.31 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:36:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.114.28.7 with SMTP id b7mr463842wab.229.1266554218095; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:36:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:36:58 +0800 Message-ID: <6e9df1071002182036t54d62fc8u5aefb30f441d31ea@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.44 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=G--BrtK8EIT8SIQ6aziRX5MSdL4Pzc-FoH3GRndtGO7whewz X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, the first thing to go in vinyl records are the high frequencies. So you could apply an equaliser to the recording to boost the frequencies that hav= e been reduced in loudness. When I archive vinyls to digital, I don't actually apply any of the crackle and hiss filters because the algorithms aren't perfect and there are some side-effects on the audio. Just record with the highest sample rate supported by your audio card and set the input levels as high as you can while avoiding clipping (48kHz for the SB Live). If better noise reduction technology comes along in the future, you can the= n always use that on your archive recordings. I have found many records from the 60s 70s and 80s are fine anyway. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:22 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > Hi Gang!!! > > I wonder if someone here knows some trick about how to restore the audio > distortion due to the physical damage produced by the stylus friction. I'= m > speaking about vinyl records, of course. > > I mean, with Cool Edit Pro is relatively easy to remove the scratch and > dust noise. Another thing is the distortion which is not easy or impossib= le > (to me, at least). > > Any idea? ??? > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Feb 18 22:55:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69831 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 06:55:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 06:55:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f196.google.com) (209.85.211.196) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 06:55:47 -0000 X-Received: by ywh34 with SMTP id 34so1794827ywh.17 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:55:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.252.2 with SMTP id z2mr1005838ybh.41.1266562528302; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:55:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (70-57-229-206.tcso.qwest.net [70.57.229.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm4015974yxe.37.2010.02.18.22.55.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 18 Feb 2010 22:55:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001901cab130$8430aed0$4a00a8c0@xppro> To: References: <6e9df1071002182036t54d62fc8u5aefb30f441d31ea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:55:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=3cUDd0_odaIHl2MvAtVyw60sY--D-gGd1ulZChZ0GCy5GH39-dv0 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 hello how can you find the been reduced in loudness. to boost? also what equizer would you recommend? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Piccoli" To: Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:36 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering Hi Juan, the first thing to go in vinyl records are the high frequencies. So you could apply an equaliser to the recording to boost the frequencies that have been reduced in loudness. When I archive vinyls to digital, I don't actually apply any of the crackle and hiss filters because the algorithms aren't perfect and there are some side-effects on the audio. Just record with the highest sample rate supported by your audio card and set the input levels as high as you can while avoiding clipping (48kHz for the SB Live). If better noise reduction technology comes along in the future, you can then always use that on your archive recordings. I have found many records from the 60s 70s and 80s are fine anyway. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:22 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > Hi Gang!!! > > I wonder if someone here knows some trick about how to restore the audio > distortion due to the physical damage produced by the stylus friction. I'm > speaking about vinyl records, of course. > > I mean, with Cool Edit Pro is relatively easy to remove the scratch and > dust noise. Another thing is the distortion which is not easy or > impossible > (to me, at least). > > Any idea? ??? > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curicó, Chile, South America, with love > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Thu Feb 18 23:49:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38624 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 07:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 07:49:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f172.google.com) (209.85.222.172) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 07:49:08 -0000 X-Received: by pzk2 with SMTP id 2so3449787pzk.21 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:49:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.115.135.9 with SMTP id m9mr470101wan.82.1266565748311; Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:49:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <001901cab130$8430aed0$4a00a8c0@xppro> References: <6e9df1071002182036t54d62fc8u5aefb30f441d31ea@mail.gmail.com> <001901cab130$8430aed0$4a00a8c0@xppro> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:49:08 +0800 Message-ID: <6e9df1071002182349k2b7985bx78af66d4a52f7ec1@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=pMsKpf-fneg__g6m_D58BA7DtU1zAWlCYxaKGr56E49mpM-4 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Hank, its impossible to determine exactly the frequency response that has been lost. You simply boost the frequencies that result in the best sound for you. I don't use equalisers that often. I usually keep a flat frequency response= . I think Cool Edit has one built in though. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:55 PM, hank smith wrote: > > > hello > how can you find the been reduced in loudness. to boost? > also what equizer would you recommend? > Hank > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Piccoli" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering > > Hi Juan, > > the first thing to go in vinyl records are the high frequencies. So you > could apply an equaliser to the recording to boost the frequencies that > have > been reduced in loudness. > > When I archive vinyls to digital, I don't actually apply any of the crack= le > and hiss filters because the algorithms aren't perfect and there are some > side-effects on the audio. Just record with the highest sample rate > supported by your audio card and set the input levels as high as you can > while avoiding clipping (48kHz for the SB Live). > > If better noise reduction technology comes along in the future, you can > then > always use that on your archive recordings. I have found many records fro= m > the 60s 70s and 80s are fine anyway. > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:22 PM, jotape1960 > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Gang!!! > > > > I wonder if someone here knows some trick about how to restore the audi= o > > distortion due to the physical damage produced by the stylus friction. > I'm > > speaking about vinyl records, of course. > > > > I mean, with Cool Edit Pro is relatively easy to remove the scratch and > > dust noise. Another thing is the distortion which is not easy or > > impossible > > (to me, at least). > > > > Any idea? ??? > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From starship_2001@msn.com Fri Feb 19 02:02:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4729 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 10:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 10:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 10:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2010 10:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2010 10:01:46 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2010 10:01:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:01:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.102 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.97.141.164 From: "starship20012001" Subject: Re: OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=srJ7EVXNTzI6MMsE6eh04JGCWU0p08pJkugZFcNbHBGA7LEfRWRSuNrKHg X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > somebody wrote: "..."I give my parents my old iPods. They don't use them,= " because they don't want to go through the process of connecting the devic= es to a computer, downloading music and creating a playlist to hear the mus= ic..." >=20 > > 73s > John > I have an Ipod 5th generation. alls i had to do was was load my CD libary i= nto Itunes ONE TIME . Then i plugged my Ipod into the USB port and syced it= . All the music was loaded into the Ipod when it finished i was DONE. Unplu= g Ipod from computer and hit shuffle on it and enjoy your music. I have a s= eperate AC adaptor with a USB port to power the Ipod so it NEVER needs to b= e connected to the computer unless i need to add songs in the future. As fa= r as playlists what the heck nonsense is that for ?????? i didnt make any j= ust shuffle or play all and enjoy DONE !!!!=20=20=20=20=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Feb 19 02:51:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63845 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 10:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 10:50:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f184.google.com) (209.85.210.184) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 10:50:19 -0000 X-Received: by yxe14 with SMTP id 14so8151449yxe.20 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:50:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.117.32 with SMTP id p32mr963127ybc.279.1266576619114; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:50:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.12? (75-138-48-110.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com [75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm4082251yxg.10.2010.02.19.02.50.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Feb 2010 02:50:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B7E6CE6.10305@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:50:14 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=JzLK5rsQ6Jz4zyC-N5d0gEm_e2GFzhtb6AW03-E2rygE-JQYRt7MV0_q_VO_Ow X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 starship20012001 wrote: > I have an Ipod 5th generation. alls i had to do was was load my CD libary into Itunes ONE TIME . What I did for my Dad was load TM-Century's Gold Drive Oldies Radio Format into his iTunes, along with a bunch of Jingles from his Favorite station from his Teen Years, 690 WAPE, and put it on an iPod for him. I plugged it into an iTrip so now he has his "Oldies Radio" all of the time when he puts the iPod in Shuffle, and he is happy. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From awhichello@ieee.org Fri Feb 19 03:21:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: whichello@velocitynet.com.au X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14573 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 11:21:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 11:21:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO m0.velocity.net.au) (203.17.154.50) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 11:21:25 -0000 X-Received: from [192.168.0.2] (152.202.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au [122.49.202.152]) by m0.velocity.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E1A609E4 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:21:06 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <4B7E7422.7030801@velocitynet.com.au> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:21:06 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <1266570316.505.52471.m2@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1266570316.505.52471.m2@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 203.17.154.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: apw From: apw Reply-To: awhichello@ieee.org Subject: Re: Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=270944425; y=ZXrSLqHSZoUvZ8DFIEanITVqpBilgnsrV1RfyvFI2zaQrg X-Yahoo-Profile: apw3642 > Posted by: "jotape1960" jotape1960@yahoo.com jotape1960 > Date: Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:25 pm ((PST)) > > Hi Gang!!! > > I wonder if someone here knows some trick about how to restore the audio distortion due to the physical damage produced by the stylus friction. I'm speaking about vinyl records, of course. > > I mean, with Cool Edit Pro is relatively easy to remove the scratch and dust noise. Another thing is the distortion which is not easy or impossible (to me, at least). > > Any idea? ??? > If I'm reading Juan's post correctly, he wants to ADD in the scratches, clicks and pops. If you do a remove clicks and pops restoration in Cool Edit (now Adobe Audition) and then switch to "keep noise" (instead of the usual "keep signal" which removes the distortion) you'll "record" a typical bunch of scratches, clicks and pops. You could then add it to your pristine audio to make it sound like it was coming off a scratchy LP. Just a thought, Adrian. From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 19 07:05:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66481 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 15:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 15:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 15:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2010 15:05:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2010 15:05:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:05:16 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003801cab0f0$6c3df5c0$4a00a8c0@xppro> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=Vm6GihdJDZs-Mfcgb9x5PbN7XMbVH3wG7oOEkUSw5VAY2IvdNJeYRp8 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Hi Hank, The SlotRadio usually cost $79.99 and is on sale for $49.99 - but don't for= get about signing-up for their junk emails and you'll get a $10 off a $40 p= urchase coupon. The extra cards are on sale for $29.99 right now, regular $39.99 each. I believe you can add you own Micro SD card and load your own audio files t= o it; not sure how high a bit rate MP3 is will take or if you can load othe= r audio formats just yet. You can only Skip a song too. BUT, The controls are great. Top =3D Slide switch: OFF, RADIO, MUISC. Left =3D Big button UP, big button DOWN volume. Right Side =3D Skip ahead to next song, or skip ahead to next preset radio = station. Bottom: =3D 1/8" stereo headphone jack and MicroUSB connection for recharin= g built-in battery. TOP: MicroSD card slot. Front: big buttons to advance radio frequency or music genre playlist. Just missing AM and AM stereo! John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > what does this normally cost? > also can you customize your cards?=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Feb 19 07:36:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5202 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 15:35:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 15:35:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gy0-f46.google.com) (209.85.160.174) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 15:35:57 -0000 X-Received: by gyh20 with SMTP id 20so12689gyh.33 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:35:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.100.56.22 with SMTP id e22mr4943633ana.228.1266593756863; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:35:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.10? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm100271ywi.6.2010.02.19.07.35.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:35:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B7EAFDC.5070506@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:35:56 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <882013.83774.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <882013.83774.qm@web32404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=FlIJQwvj5BeIE1UhNCkykD8R9Jooh9lJ7yX-OwoK-IXJflN-FaUm-dw7nwH3Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 george russell wrote: > I'd get one for my Dad, if I could ween him off of the local rock station. 80 years old and listening to Heavy Metal, and thinks 3 Dog Night is "too mellow". NOT a candidate for an MP3 or MD or XM, I'm afraid. That is KEWL! I am HAPPY for him. There is nothing wrong with the Ol' Man blasting out MegaDeath and Ozzy. That is funny, but good stuff. I say ANYTHING that keeps him young is good. How do ya explain a 80 year old Headbanger wearing an AC/DC Tour Shirt? -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Fri Feb 19 14:20:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8114 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 22:19:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 22:19:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 22:19:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2010 22:14:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2010 22:14:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:14:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <620621.21851.qm@web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: {AMSF} Re: How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=H0IgCKQRij_9S9RktVrWIIdfi4-csp6lzUoTzS4WzmjztdTYJ2sst1A0 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Some years ago, on one of the DX shows that used to air on one of the Ameri= can time-brokered shortwave stations, I heard a story about the first docum= ented DX of North American radio stations from South America. The year was= either 1927 or 1928; the listener was in Peru or northern Chile. The DXer= noted that when his "local" stations signed off for the night, he was able= to receive several Chicago stations (in this context, local meant within a= bout 1000 miles). This was around the time that American clear-channel sta= tions started upgrading to 50kW. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Yup, ol' Schickelgruber DID bitch about WLW, and they were heard well in = Europe.Back then the noise floor really was a FLOOR, very few stations on t= he air, and I imagine 500 kW.=20 From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 19 15:16:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90538 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 23:16:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 23:16:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 23:16:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 77974 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2010 23:16:29 -0000 Message-ID: <92043.77731.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mP3x198VM1nIJJmGFOiHJ.Lnf7d_TKiUM_.h_8H4Ajmowcz8VTJ7jst.zIPywBM.2E1HR83TDvahpMsFVqtcpcVFw4wa9nH27Iq5jIiEmgTCON6rlEn8YSCfLkt3_cKfojWh8qnx66B2zZxCVIjmE5PSzptFS5Y09ZaPiQYbI1rWnbm7BL53DzNy.esWwSUeJblaVV3SybZNOFD8bFR21omFrowDZzvsCY3Zs1i.ZFLGK9TKxntCR.VISuX819Ubm_TxG6n7JpnMB9KleAp1BfeUGSwqwmeUq0su9gehx7npyt9dXyH55JcX_NSgJp5JyIbQQ7sLrxVG7UlK7M44Gp.G_l4urMt9M30yYLrebZSV3a_wnRCVYjuGdwN97N8- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:16:29 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:16:29 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4B7EAFDC.5070506@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=iUy59OFs-txfc1Ywmtq0-FyagNC4IeeDCiquCIp88ohdsg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's an idea, I'll have to get him a t-shirt from some high-dB band! =C2= =A0He was really upset when CKLW dropped t-40 and started playing 78s while= they were still in stereo. =C2=A0"Why in blazes are they in stereo if they= are playing that ancient crap?" Gotta love it...=C2=A0G --- On Fri, 2/19/10, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 10:35 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 george russell wrote: > I'd get one for my Dad, if I could ween him off of the local rock station= . 80 years old and listening to Heavy Metal, and thinks 3 Dog Night is "too= mellow". NOT a candidate for an MP3 or MD or XM, I'm afraid. That is KEWL! I am HAPPY for him. There is nothing wrong with the Ol'=20 Man blasting out MegaDeath and Ozzy. That is funny, but good stuff. I say ANYTHING that keeps him young is good. How do ya explain a 80 year old Headbanger wearing an AC/DC Tour Shirt? --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Feb 19 15:20:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16931 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2010 23:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2010 23:20:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2010 23:20:31 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 79862 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Feb 2010 23:20:31 -0000 Message-ID: <11289.79004.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: D2PixWwVM1lpXmMgB.7l6cKywaW_QpdHTZ7NrfwQ03eVs7nKXndxk7roTu26to_ohxOYaPhQWZW7H2jSz7ScFvf5AeR__D6Jvx_E93crWcwHgS_yyk1Kb2qnBO8Uu5d7NOP5Ig22_bQe4vGwik2tXBwFbtUgZ4zAsJHbz9fWHp3JEEaAxNS90YjWrfFwH7qPhIBhNbOpNeBF.u9.9ezTxJAk98BNjcrjfz04nT9_QR4x15W1dTG3Xurb5Fd6_uEqmu6pGnR61WPzfwC6ME36jcIFL3nY2dwk5lyjli1mT46M3V1XtgozQLPXRx5KfLbpr3zUavvasVGy8XNbVAfLcoezObdvCD64j0PU1Urr4Z0BSylK0xhatfd6MsoXLGrXJsRZtgT62Km2a9Vp5w-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:20:30 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:20:30 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Jjm-0ZML539Ung_d-XpTixgKPYcJdIDM8R-I38iFOuXVvQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I miss those nights when there were a few mighty stations serving literally= the entire continent, or even the globe. =C2=A0Now, it's just a lot of buz= z/hiss and 20 stations carrying the same sat-feed pulp! Oh well, at least I= can go anywhere and get C2C!G --- On Fri, 2/19/10, AlfredoT wrote: From: AlfredoT Subject: {AMSF} Re: How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 5:14 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Some years ago, on one of the DX shows that used to air on one of the= American time-brokered shortwave stations, I heard a story about the first= documented DX of North American radio stations from South America. The ye= ar was either 1927 or 1928; the listener was in Peru or northern Chile. Th= e DXer noted that when his "local" stations signed off for the night, he wa= s able to receive several Chicago stations (in this context, local meant wi= thin about 1000 miles). This was around the time that American clear-chann= el stations started upgrading to 50kW. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell wrote= : > > Yup, ol' Schickelgruber DID bitch about WLW, and they were heard well in = Europe.Back then the noise floor really was a FLOOR, very few stations on t= he air, and I imagine 500 kW.=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Feb 19 17:41:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61348 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2010 01:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2010 01:41:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f193.google.com) (209.85.211.193) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2010 01:41:07 -0000 X-Received: by ywh31 with SMTP id 31so756635ywh.32 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:41:03 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.212.6 with SMTP id o6mr4967539anq.42.1266630063753; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:41:03 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.12? (75-138-48-110.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com [75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm344073yxd.9.2010.02.19.17.41.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:41:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B7F3DAF.60608@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:41:03 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <92043.77731.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <92043.77731.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.193 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=npJqCXLLlyinDMRbaLf_gGQvYjq9N7cYATrk1ZMIGR98sSEPXgpq0pgmak458g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 george russell wrote: > There's an idea, I'll have to get him a t-shirt from some high-dB band! And he NEEDS a Twisted Sister poster for his wall. > "Why in blazes are they in stereo if they are playing that ancient crap?" He is right! I like to listen to the W-I-D-E Stereo rock from the 1960s in AM Stereo. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Feb 19 19:33:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71693 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2010 03:33:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2010 03:33:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2010 03:33:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2010 03:30:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2010 03:30:30 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 03:30:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6e9df1071002182036t54d62fc8u5aefb30f441d31ea@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.82 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=TXR2oF8cfXiLG1J4q5CP0lH4unhWHPcksV41gaH5dlhFQaIUTg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I often use 48000 and/or 96000 samples per second and 32 bits to record the= vinyls. More samples to the noisy records. Then I apply the pop and crackle filter and, normally, it works so fine (sp= ecially at very quite passages). Then I apply a reverse compression (downward expander) to the high frecuenc= ies, trying to eliminate some extra vinyl surface noise. Unfortunately, when I process the audio then I have to use the MP3 final au= dio format and then you have... and MP3 file!!! Hahahahaha!!!=20 Of course, I'm using 320 Kbps of data compression rate, with a maximun of 1= 5 KHZ audio bandwidth (why more if you won't use it neither in FM nor AM?),= and the high frecuencies lost is minimal. BUT... When I have a distorted record (distortion due to the years abuse an= d/or radio operators misuse), I've not found any solution at all. Maybe, we would need some distortion audio algorithm not present in Cool Ed= it Pro. I don't know. Any idea about, please, let me know. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > Hi Juan, >=20 > the first thing to go in vinyl records are the high frequencies. So you > could apply an equaliser to the recording to boost the frequencies that h= ave > been reduced in loudness. >=20 > When I archive vinyls to digital, I don't actually apply any of the crack= le > and hiss filters because the algorithms aren't perfect and there are some > side-effects on the audio. Just record with the highest sample rate > supported by your audio card and set the input levels as high as you can > while avoiding clipping (48kHz for the SB Live). >=20 > If better noise reduction technology comes along in the future, you can t= hen > always use that on your archive recordings. I have found many records fro= m > the 60s 70s and 80s are fine anyway. >=20 > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:22 PM, jotape1960 wrote: >=20 > > > > > > Hi Gang!!! > > > > I wonder if someone here knows some trick about how to restore the audi= o > > distortion due to the physical damage produced by the stylus friction. = I'm > > speaking about vinyl records, of course. > > > > I mean, with Cool Edit Pro is relatively easy to remove the scratch and > > dust noise. Another thing is the distortion which is not easy or imposs= ible > > (to me, at least). > > > > Any idea? ??? > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > >=20=20 > > >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Feb 20 02:20:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66036 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2010 10:20:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2010 10:20:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2010 10:20:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2010 10:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2010 10:19:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:19:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.97.141.164 From: "starship20012001" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=n-lB6ehiJ9A0EyefaJukvzxankXQFl5mgtswz1bs7mN_gNORgXsp_NjHFA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Hi Hank, > The SlotRadio usually cost $79.99 and is on sale for $49.99 - but don't f= orget about signing-up for their junk emails and you'll get a $10 off a $40= purchase coupon. > The extra cards are on sale for $29.99 right now, regular $39.99 each. > I believe you can add you own Micro SD card and load your own audio files= to it; not sure how high a bit rate MP3 is will take or if you can load ot= her audio formats just yet. You can only Skip a song too. > BUT, > The controls are great. > Top =3D Slide switch: OFF, RADIO, MUISC. > Left =3D Big button UP, big button DOWN volume. > Right Side =3D Skip ahead to next song, or skip ahead to next preset radi= o station. > Bottom: =3D 1/8" stereo headphone jack and MicroUSB connection for rechar= ing built-in battery. > TOP: MicroSD card slot. > Front: big buttons to advance radio frequency or music genre playlist. >=20 > Just missing AM and AM stereo! > John >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > what does this normally cost? > > also can you customize your cards? > Long before i got an Ipod and MP3 players i had researched this. I was told= this (slot radio) will NOT accept you own cards. It will only play the pre= made cards they sell you. This was reported by more then one that tried to = use their own cards in this.=20=20 From starship_2001@msn.com Sat Feb 20 02:32:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: starship_2001@msn.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16889 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2010 10:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2010 10:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2010 10:32:51 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2010 10:28:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2010 10:28:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:28:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <11289.79004.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 74.97.141.164 From: "starship20012001" Subject: {AMSF} Re: How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=141987646; y=vmIXHWUjWQq-yFbBF2DQu3PJ-1IyxuoiLENlJu9nhQZgAf2Puq_flx3RwA X-Yahoo-Profile: starship20012001 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > I miss those nights when there were a few mighty stations serving literal= ly the entire continent, or even the globe. =C2=A0Now, it's just a lot of b= uzz/hiss and 20 stations carrying the same sat-feed pulp! Oh well, at least= I can go anywhere and get C2C!G >=20 > --- On Fri, 2/19/10, AlfredoT wrote: >=20 > From: AlfredoT > Subject: {AMSF} Re: How AM worked in the 1920s, 30s and 40s, > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 5:14 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > Some years ago, on one of the DX shows that used to air on one of t= he American time-brokered shortwave stations, I heard a story about the fir= st documented DX of North American radio stations from South America. The = year was either 1927 or 1928; the listener was in Peru or northern Chile. = The DXer noted that when his "local" stations signed off for the night, he = was able to receive several Chicago stations (in this context, local meant = within about 1000 miles). This was around the time that American clear-cha= nnel stations started upgrading to 50kW. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --Alfredo >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, george russell wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > Yup, ol' Schickelgruber DID bitch about WLW, and they were heard well i= n Europe.Back then the noise floor really was a FLOOR, very few stations on= the air, and I imagine 500 kW.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > This is the problem with the radio as it stands. Some things were MUCH MUCH= better the way they WERE !!!! The AM band really badly needs to be cleaned= up and RESTORED to the way it was back then . Put a few good music station= s in too and run Cquam on all. Get RID of all AM IBOC and try to do somethi= ng about other interference sources and AM could become a viable mediam aga= in. Right now its a giant graveyard of noise including what they call _cont= ent_ in most cases .=20=20=20=20 From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sat Feb 20 04:58:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13991 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2010 12:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2010 12:58:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f43.google.com) (209.85.160.43) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2010 12:58:36 -0000 X-Received: by pwj9 with SMTP id 9so977457pwj.30 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:58:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.114.21.20 with SMTP id 20mr452967wau.30.1266670712307; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:58:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <6e9df1071002182036t54d62fc8u5aefb30f441d31ea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:58:32 +0800 Message-ID: <6e9df1071002200458sbd22a44k75465b712f0e3749@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=xd21aA7ePDDovJ1x0_mPWt_D-As1IApsgbvL_ts0GP6warrM X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Juan, Unfortunately, I don't think that the signal processing/computer science world has a perfect solution for restoring severely distorted audio yet. Its a chicken and egg problem. If you had the original master tapes (or eve= n a CD) of the recording, then you could work out exactly what has been lost (unless there was time warping). But that would be cheating! :-) If it were possible, then we would have a DSP in our AM receivers that restores the frequency limited AM signal back to CD quality. That would be cool. If you uploaded a needledrop recording onto the site, people might have an idea what kind of distortion it is. On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:30 AM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > I often use 48000 and/or 96000 samples per second and 32 bits to record t= he > vinyls. More samples to the noisy records. > > Then I apply the pop and crackle filter and, normally, it works so fine > (specially at very quite passages). > > Then I apply a reverse compression (downward expander) to the high > frecuencies, trying to eliminate some extra vinyl surface noise. > > Unfortunately, when I process the audio then I have to use the MP3 final > audio format and then you have... and MP3 file!!! Hahahahaha!!! > > Of course, I'm using 320 Kbps of data compression rate, with a maximun of > 15 KHZ audio bandwidth (why more if you won't use it neither in FM nor AM= ?), > and the high frecuencies lost is minimal. > > BUT... When I have a distorted record (distortion due to the years abuse > and/or radio operators misuse), I've not found any solution at all. > > Maybe, we would need some distortion audio algorithm not present in Cool > Edit Pro. I don't know. > > Any idea about, please, let me know. > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love. > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com , > Daniel Piccoli wrote: > > > > Hi Juan, > > > > the first thing to go in vinyl records are the high frequencies. So you > > could apply an equaliser to the recording to boost the frequencies that > have > > been reduced in loudness. > > > > When I archive vinyls to digital, I don't actually apply any of the > crackle > > and hiss filters because the algorithms aren't perfect and there are so= me > > side-effects on the audio. Just record with the highest sample rate > > supported by your audio card and set the input levels as high as you ca= n > > while avoiding clipping (48kHz for the SB Live). > > > > If better noise reduction technology comes along in the future, you can > then > > always use that on your archive recordings. I have found many records > from > > the 60s 70s and 80s are fine anyway. > > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:22 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Gang!!! > > > > > > I wonder if someone here knows some trick about how to restore the > audio > > > distortion due to the physical damage produced by the stylus friction= . > I'm > > > speaking about vinyl records, of course. > > > > > > I mean, with Cool Edit Pro is relatively easy to remove the scratch a= nd > > > dust noise. Another thing is the distortion which is not easy or > impossible > > > (to me, at least). > > > > > > Any idea? ??? > > > > > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > > > > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com Sat Feb 20 06:57:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: amstereo@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79989 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2010 14:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2010 14:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO jsgil.mylinuxisp.com) (216.39.212.190) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2010 14:57:47 -0000 X-Received: from m35.jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (m35 [192.168.1.35]) by jsgil.mylinuxisp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B120E2AFEE for ; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:14:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4B7FEE44.90206@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 08:14:28 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 216.39.212.190 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: AMS Admin Subject: Re: Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=330560709; y=XZaCWiaseBwoIb8wWvCxVx40N1GFmxL4m6hORA9Cil4hZw X-Yahoo-Profile: jsgilst > From: Juan > BUT... When I have a distorted record (distortion due > to the years abuse and/or radio operators misuse), > I've not found any solution at all. If a record has a lot of random surface noise from dirt and not from scratches or needle damage then following products will help: Record Revirginizer http://www.recordrevirginizer.com Reg Williamson's Recipe from Old Colony Sound. http://www.audioxpress.com/bksprods/products/km-9.htm If none of these products can't be found you can try Elmer's School Glue http://www.elmers.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?item=375§ionid=7&catid=7# For more info on using white glue go to the http://www.vinylengine.com forums and do a search for 'school glue'. What all these do is stick to the dirt and not to the vinyl. When they dry they are peeled off like a 'record face lift'. It has been more successful at removing dirt that other methods like the Nitty-Gritty Record Cleaner: http://www.nittygrittyinc.com After a record is cleaned a product like Gruv-Glide will help keep them clean, lubricate the groove, and eliminate static. http://www.gruvglide.com JSG From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Feb 20 19:04:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60144 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2010 03:04:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2010 03:04:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2010 03:04:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2010 03:03:59 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2010 03:03:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:03:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B7FEE44.90206@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.144 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=sPrPCr-2yNa9LjJrM-WXMSjlUTcz2dF6fWTH4KZdrjGw1KKHLg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!! I had some similar products, years ago, and it really works!!! I didn't kno= w there was something like that today. Thank you so much for your data!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, AMS Admin wrote: > > > From: Juan > > BUT... When I have a distorted record (distortion due > > to the years abuse and/or radio operators misuse), > > I've not found any solution at all. >=20 > If a record has a lot of random surface noise from > dirt and not from scratches or needle damage then > following products will help: >=20 > Record Revirginizer > http://www.recordrevirginizer.com >=20 > Reg Williamson's Recipe from Old Colony Sound. > http://www.audioxpress.com/bksprods/products/km-9.htm >=20 > If none of these products can't be found > you can try Elmer's School Glue > http://www.elmers.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?item=3D375§ionid=3D= 7&catid=3D7# >=20 > For more info on using white glue go to the > http://www.vinylengine.com forums and do a > search for 'school glue'. >=20 > What all these do is stick to the dirt and not to the vinyl. > When they dry they are peeled off like a 'record face lift'. > It has been more successful at removing dirt that other > methods like the Nitty-Gritty Record Cleaner: > http://www.nittygrittyinc.com >=20 > After a record is cleaned a product like Gruv-Glide > will help keep them clean, lubricate the groove, > and eliminate static. http://www.gruvglide.com >=20 > JSG > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sun Feb 21 23:58:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18977 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2010 07:57:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2010 07:57:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f54.google.com) (209.85.212.54) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2010 07:57:59 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vw0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 14so1051152vws.13 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:57:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.220.127.17 with SMTP id e17mr3352730vcs.49.1266825479142; Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:57:59 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from xppro (70-57-229-206.tcso.qwest.net [70.57.229.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm30285302vws.5.2010.02.21.23.57.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:57:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001e01cab394$bd77b0b0$4a00a8c0@xppro> To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:57:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Yg3tQRn9dJKNxlIVsXTaAht6sI8UNHP25r3yOEyMr8sXAw4kjRIZ X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is this software expandable? if so any one thaught of implimenting sdr in to the device? ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:05 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} OT: Music Options for aging Baby Boomers Hi Hank, The SlotRadio usually cost $79.99 and is on sale for $49.99 - but don't forget about signing-up for their junk emails and you'll get a $10 off a $40 purchase coupon. The extra cards are on sale for $29.99 right now, regular $39.99 each. I believe you can add you own Micro SD card and load your own audio files to it; not sure how high a bit rate MP3 is will take or if you can load other audio formats just yet. You can only Skip a song too. BUT, The controls are great. Top = Slide switch: OFF, RADIO, MUISC. Left = Big button UP, big button DOWN volume. Right Side = Skip ahead to next song, or skip ahead to next preset radio station. Bottom: = 1/8" stereo headphone jack and MicroUSB connection for recharing built-in battery. TOP: MicroSD card slot. Front: big buttons to advance radio frequency or music genre playlist. Just missing AM and AM stereo! John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > what does this normally cost? > also can you customize your cards? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Feb 22 10:13:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49406 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2010 18:13:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2010 18:13:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2010 18:13:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2010 18:10:41 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2010 18:10:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:10:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4B7FEE44.90206@jsgil.mylinuxisp.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=4_gE9EVoCu6TETZqSqqose5p1ZDHp0vHaVNd8-IDJsdJueOTeRT0Z8w X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Are you serious? Smear Elmer's School glue on an LP and then peel it off? = does it also work on 78's or only on vinyl? Never even though about that = one. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, AMS Admin wrote: Elmer's School Glue...sticks to dirt, not to vinyl...=20 From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Mon Feb 22 15:06:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15765 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2010 23:06:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2010 23:06:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2010 23:06:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2010 23:02:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2010 23:02:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:02:02 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=qHFs-pUkoi5ILcXIp5h6BufvzJIhSFYslYwH8kaGrG6F-A58x6N2KEIs X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Since I am a fan of buying used records (both for the adventure and the thr= ift), I have become curious about how one can get the best possible sound f= or records that are not necessarily in the best shape. There is a lot of m= aterial out there on the subject.=20=20 The distorted sound associated with worn records is due to the sidewalls of= the grooves being deformed by the pressure and friction of the stylus. In= some cases the vinyl is partially molten due to the heat generated by the = stylus friction. Unfortunately, it is not likely that one could "fix" this= distortion with software because the characteristics of the needles that c= aused the record to wear out are unknown. Consider the following factors: 1) Resonances in the cartridge cause the record groove to have to "work har= der" to move the needle at some frequencies than at others, thus making the= distortion most audible on certain notes or ranges of notes (because the n= eedle was harder to move at those frequencies, thus causing more groove wea= r). Unfortunately, one doesn't know where those resonant frequencies lay f= or all the turntables that have previously played a record. 2) Mechanical imperfections in the turntables, such as the stylus not being= perfectly vertical and "skating" forces (the tonearm being pulled toward o= r away from the center of the record) will cause more wear on one sidewall = of the groove than the other. One doesn't know what these parameters were = for turntables that previously played a given record. 3) A worn stylus is deformed, and it can "chisel away" at high frequency co= ntent in a record. Some record hobbyists experiment with using different needle shapes and siz= es in order to minimize distortion by contacting a part of the groove that = is not damaged. Using different needle sizes only applies to large groove = (78 rpm) records. With vinyl records, you can try the different common sty= lus shapes (conical, elliptical, hyper-elliptical, Shibata) to see if one c= uts down on the distortion. I haven't tried this, as I haven't felt the ur= ge to splurge on multiple cartridges (I only have an Audio Technica Shibata= cartridge, for which I was fortunate enough to find a replacement stylus). If your records are mono, I recommend recording both the left and right cha= nnels and then summing to mono. This tends to cancel some of the distortio= n. Some time ago, I used a microscope at work to capture images of wear and da= mage on record grooves. Send me a message, and I will e-mail you some of t= hese pictures. What I saw was a little bit different than what I had expec= ted to see (based on photos in advertisements for record-care products). --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > I wonder if someone here knows some trick about how to restore the audio = distortion due to the physical damage produced by the stylus friction. I'm = speaking about vinyl records, of course. >=20 > I mean, with Cool Edit Pro is relatively easy to remove the scratch and d= ust noise. Another thing is the distortion which is not easy or impossible = (to me, at least). >=20 > Any idea? ??? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Feb 22 19:35:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85352 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2010 03:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2010 03:35:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f43.google.com) (74.125.83.43) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2010 03:35:09 -0000 X-Received: by gwaa12 with SMTP id a12so4051920gwa.2 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:35:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.75.8 with SMTP id x8mr6039860yba.126.1266896107198; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:35:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.12? (75-138-48-110.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com [75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm34197yxh.58.2010.02.22.19.35.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:35:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B834CEE.3090601@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:35:10 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.43 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=UCpLBoULub_jIL02hk-zsP0Ko25oykS8fZL8VfffQKRvz1XOPM9Sol2mebNNRw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 toledohamradio wrote: > Are you serious? Smear Elmer's School glue on an LP and then peel it off? does it also work on 78's or only on vinyl? 78s are made of shellac and Elmer's will ruin them. I have done the Elmer's White School Glue trick on 45s and it works like a Charm. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 23 00:55:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78009 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2010 08:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2010 08:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2010 08:55:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2010 08:55:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2010 08:55:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:55:40 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.60 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=5YBefCiEpV3eqpKhHFYSRPjgQbtIjA_Wv1qmp7p-Q3ngBC1Zwg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 THANK YOU SO MUCH ALFREDO!!! I'm so interesting on this issue because it is the central part of my job: = to rescue the sound from the vinyls!!! Of course, I'm interesting on any kind of material about it. You're right about the distortion due to the physical damage of the groove = walls: we can't know what is exactly the damage of the original signal!!! Whatever, I've noticed the distortion problem is often at 5-8 kHz region, s= pecially at "near peaks audio energy region". Older material (78RPM) doesn't have too much problem because it has a poor = original audio signal above 5 kHz, so you can remove that part without to l= ose something important from the original signal. More recent material have a lot of problem because it can have original aud= io up to 15 kHz (maybe far beyond) and you can't remove the 5-8 kHz without= to get a very bad audio. I've thought (my neurons work from time to time) about to use a digital tri= ck (like the Cool Edit Pro equalizer) to eliminate that 5-8 kHz region from= the signal and then to add an artificial amount of harmonics to fill the r= egion. But... I'm not a programmer and I don't know if somebody has thought= about this trick (Cool Edit Pro doesn't have something like that). BTW, there were some analog devices to recreate harmonics in dull material,= but I've never used one. Any idea about it? Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "AlfredoT" wrote: > > Since I am a fan of buying used records (both for the adventure and the t= hrift), I have become curious about how one can get the best possible sound= for records that are not necessarily in the best shape. There is a lot of= material out there on the subject.=20=20 >=20 > The distorted sound associated with worn records is due to the sidewalls = of the grooves being deformed by the pressure and friction of the stylus. = In some cases the vinyl is partially molten due to the heat generated by th= e stylus friction. Unfortunately, it is not likely that one could "fix" th= is distortion with software because the characteristics of the needles that= caused the record to wear out are unknown. Consider the following factors= : >=20 > 1) Resonances in the cartridge cause the record groove to have to "work h= arder" to move the needle at some frequencies than at others, thus making t= he distortion most audible on certain notes or ranges of notes (because the= needle was harder to move at those frequencies, thus causing more groove w= ear). Unfortunately, one doesn't know where those resonant frequencies lay= for all the turntables that have previously played a record. >=20 > 2) Mechanical imperfections in the turntables, such as the stylus not bei= ng perfectly vertical and "skating" forces (the tonearm being pulled toward= or away from the center of the record) will cause more wear on one sidewal= l of the groove than the other. One doesn't know what these parameters wer= e for turntables that previously played a given record. >=20 > 3) A worn stylus is deformed, and it can "chisel away" at high frequency = content in a record. >=20 > Some record hobbyists experiment with using different needle shapes and s= izes in order to minimize distortion by contacting a part of the groove tha= t is not damaged. Using different needle sizes only applies to large groov= e (78 rpm) records. With vinyl records, you can try the different common s= tylus shapes (conical, elliptical, hyper-elliptical, Shibata) to see if one= cuts down on the distortion. I haven't tried this, as I haven't felt the = urge to splurge on multiple cartridges (I only have an Audio Technica Shiba= ta cartridge, for which I was fortunate enough to find a replacement stylus= ). >=20 > If your records are mono, I recommend recording both the left and right c= hannels and then summing to mono. This tends to cancel some of the distort= ion. >=20 > Some time ago, I used a microscope at work to capture images of wear and = damage on record grooves. Send me a message, and I will e-mail you some of= these pictures. What I saw was a little bit different than what I had exp= ected to see (based on photos in advertisements for record-care products). >=20 > --Alfredo >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > > > Hi Gang!!! > >=20 > > I wonder if someone here knows some trick about how to restore the audi= o distortion due to the physical damage produced by the stylus friction. I'= m speaking about vinyl records, of course. > >=20 > > I mean, with Cool Edit Pro is relatively easy to remove the scratch and= dust noise. Another thing is the distortion which is not easy or impossibl= e (to me, at least). > >=20 > > Any idea? ??? > >=20 > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > >=20 > >=20 > > Juan J. Paredes G. > > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > > > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Tue Feb 23 07:43:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22279 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2010 15:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2010 15:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2010 15:43:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2010 15:40:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2010 15:40:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:40:04 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.154 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=sZCgYPTBwTEkHhoshZDhH_UgXeXZxrEkb7b3Pu_mLYtpC8SOVmntc7k X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio NOOOOOO! You be turning it into HD radio or bad low-bit MP3 garbage! You need to keep all frequency information up to at least 4.4KHz, BUT you a= re correct, that there ARE harmonics of all musical instruments above that = range but 5KHz - 8KHz is very important for stereo imaging - but generating= your own harmonics there is why AM-HD radio sounds so horrible. Sony's AT= RAC algorythm and the one used for Digital Compact Cassettes both do a grea= t job of creating a digital copy of analog with little loss of important au= dio information - now if they just had a version of that for analog noise r= eduction.... --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote:.= ..I've thought (my neurons work from time to time) about to use a digital t= rick (like the Cool Edit Pro equalizer) to eliminate that 5-8 kHz region fr= om the signal and then to add an artificial amount of harmonics to fill the= region...." From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Feb 23 09:52:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82661 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2010 17:51:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2010 17:51:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2010 17:51:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2010 17:47:57 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2010 17:47:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:47:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.115 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=y760nNqoPaHr85q7CLy-hxbI8TfBcopj2C3jhFk1eQJFH-POnA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Too bad to me!!! The only one thing I can do is... to get a new vinyl copy of that old but d= azzling records. The only one question is... Where? ??? Hahahahahaha!!! I wonder if in USA was a fashion to sell reel magnetic tapes of those recor= ds. Here in Chile we only had the vinyls. The only tapes we had at those ye= ars were the virgin 3M or Ampex tapes. The question is intended because a reel magnetic tape must sound better tha= n any other analog media, specially at 15 IPS (in fact, a vinyl record can'= t sound better than its master tape). The problem is... Where can we get th= ose masters? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > NOOOOOO! You be turning it into HD radio or bad low-bit MP3 garbage! > You need to keep all frequency information up to at least 4.4KHz, BUT you= are correct, that there ARE harmonics of all musical instruments above tha= t range but 5KHz - 8KHz is very important for stereo imaging - but generati= ng your own harmonics there is why AM-HD radio sounds so horrible. Sony's = ATRAC algorythm and the one used for Digital Compact Cassettes both do a gr= eat job of creating a digital copy of analog with little loss of important = audio information - now if they just had a version of that for analog noise= reduction.... >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote:..= .I've thought (my neurons work from time to time) about to use a digital tr= ick (like the Cool Edit Pro equalizer) to eliminate that 5-8 kHz region fro= m the signal and then to add an artificial amount of harmonics to fill the = region...." > From w6yn@juno.com Tue Feb 23 10:08:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71062 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2010 18:06:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2010 18:06:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2010 18:06:59 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail08.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.148]) by smtpout05.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABF2JFDYANTANZA for (sender ); Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:46:30 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD8GwDo4rlGHwk5uaqTmF+ao= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail08.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P7GMZ4PH; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:45:53 PST X-Received: from [99.132.113.220] by webmail08.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:45:20 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:45:20 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100223.094520.25766.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 572 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:3332354857 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.148|webmail08.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=fL6D3uMeroi4U_7Riia4IQy1bUuzhhk0VSpEKwC8iw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn KSTN (1420) goes dark. It was one of the laboratories for Bill Drake=92s stripped-down, high-energ= y Boss Radio in 1962, before that format took L.A. by storm on KHJ/930.=20 Stockton locally-owned KSTN had stayed with music, eventually transitioning= to oldies.=20 The owner San Joaquin Broadcasting shut KSTN off Friday evening, after play= ing Queen=92s =93Another One Bites the Dust=94 and a custom version of =93W= KRP in Cincinnati.=94=20 The 5-kw daytime/1-kw nighttime facility went on the air in 1949 after the = World War II licensing freeze was lifted. 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It was one of the laboratories for Bill Drake=92s stripped-down, high-energ= y Boss Radio in 1962, before that format took L.A. by storm on KHJ/930.=20 Stockton locally-owned KSTN had stayed with music, eventually transitioning= to oldies.=20 The owner San Joaquin Broadcasting shut KSTN off Friday evening, after play= ing Queen=92s =93Another One Bites the Dust=94 and a custom version of =93W= KRP in Cincinnati.=94=20 The 5-kw daytime/1-kw nighttime facility went on the air in 1949 after the = World War II licensing freeze was lifted. From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Feb 23 11:23:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77392 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2010 19:23:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2010 19:23:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.4) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2010 19:23:51 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.224] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100223131754003025300010.0) with SMTP id <20100223131754003025300010> for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:17:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004301cab4bd$9e2abca0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20100223.094520.25766.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:17:54 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=DplTtANJpOvoBOvusvi0QNc7zb8UCkxyKAvUvTR9seLlQaKhoOiZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FM of the same calls went to K-Love, from what I hear. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:08 PM Subject: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark KSTN (1420) goes dark. It was one of the laboratories for Bill Drake's stripped-down, high-energy Boss Radio in 1962, before that format took L.A. by storm on KHJ/930. Stockton locally-owned KSTN had stayed with music, eventually transitioning to oldies. The owner San Joaquin Broadcasting shut KSTN off Friday evening, after playing Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" and a custom version of "WKRP in Cincinnati." The 5-kw daytime/1-kw nighttime facility went on the air in 1949 after the World War II licensing freeze was lifted. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Tue Feb 23 13:02:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76583 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2010 20:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2010 20:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2010 20:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2010 20:56:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2010 20:56:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:56:39 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: Cool Edit Pro Vinyl Records Recovering X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=Rv484wIFjgr7beeokXLIksC6xHVCRbLp1MpPC_nD2eloMXl6zRRf7G31 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon YES-In the 1960s and 1970s, some material was released on both pre-recorded= reel-to-reel and LP. These reel-to-reel releases were either at 7 1/2 or = 3 3/4 ips. If you find the material that you are looking for on reel-to-re= el, the quality could range from poor (worse than cassette) to excellent, d= epending on the quality of the duplication, how well the formulation of the= tape has held up against aging, and how carefully the tapes have been hand= led. However, I do have one note of caution on these reel-to-reels: these = were intended for home hi-fi enthusiasts, and as a result, thin (1/2 mil or= thereabouts) tape was used. Do not try to play these tapes on a professio= nal deck (unless it has a low-tension setting for thin tapes) because you c= ould stretch or even snap the tape! I have seen this happen. I have a box of reel-to-reel tapes, including some pre-recorded ones, that = a friend gave me to duplicate onto CD. The best sounding of the tapes was = a 5th Dimension album that was duplicated by Ampex at 1 1/2 ips. There are= some dropouts here and there, but other than that, it almost sounds like l= istening to a CD. The bad pre-recorded tapes have a number of flaws, inclu= ding: 1) On some tapes, the channels are out-of-phase on one side. 2) One of the tapes has a phase error at the bass frequencies (If you send = the signal to an X-Y oscilloscope, putting the left channel on one axis and= the right on the other, the bass guitar and drum produce ellipses and circ= les instead of diagonal lines. If you play this over the air in AM Stereo,= the bass sounds distorted. If you listen on headphones, the bass sounds d= iffuse, instead of coming from the center.) 3) Some of the tapes are very lacking in the high end. This could be due t= o a number of reasons. I have never tried to buy a sub-master recording on reel-to-reel. Although= this would likely give you the recording that sounds the closest to the ma= ster tape, I doubt that the people who have the rights to the master tape w= ould be willing to sell a copy directly to a non-commercial user. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Too bad to me!!! >=20 > The only one thing I can do is... to get a new vinyl copy of that old but= dazzling records. >=20 > The only one question is... Where? ??? Hahahahahaha!!! >=20 > I wonder if in USA was a fashion to sell reel magnetic tapes of those rec= ords. Here in Chile we only had the vinyls. The only tapes we had at those = years were the virgin 3M or Ampex tapes. >=20 > The question is intended because a reel magnetic tape must sound better t= han any other analog media, specially at 15 IPS (in fact, a vinyl record ca= n't sound better than its master tape). The problem is... Where can we get = those masters? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > > > NOOOOOO! You be turning it into HD radio or bad low-bit MP3 garbage! > > You need to keep all frequency information up to at least 4.4KHz, BUT y= ou are correct, that there ARE harmonics of all musical instruments above t= hat range but 5KHz - 8KHz is very important for stereo imaging - but genera= ting your own harmonics there is why AM-HD radio sounds so horrible. Sony'= s ATRAC algorythm and the one used for Digital Compact Cassettes both do a = great job of creating a digital copy of analog with little loss of importan= t audio information - now if they just had a version of that for analog noi= se reduction.... > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote:= ...I've thought (my neurons work from time to time) about to use a digital = trick (like the Cool Edit Pro equalizer) to eliminate that 5-8 kHz region f= rom the signal and then to add an artificial amount of harmonics to fill th= e region...." > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Feb 25 08:36:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45923 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2010 16:36:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2010 16:36:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.4) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2010 16:36:44 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.37] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100225103545001591700010.0) with SMTP id <20100225103545001591700010> for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:35:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <001001cab639$4eefa600$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <20100223.094520.25766.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:35:45 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=v7D_zpulO5tpwtFKhBp4kLnVozrEuRzDqQf0yU1YjmeOMgwd2pGe X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit According to the two guys from EMF who evaluated the two stations, the AM was in such bad shape it would be cheaper to bulldoze the whole place and start over than to repair what's there. Sad indeed. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: W6YN Don Milbury To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:08 PM Subject: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark KSTN (1420) goes dark. It was one of the laboratories for Bill Drake's stripped-down, high-energy Boss Radio in 1962, before that format took L.A. by storm on KHJ/930. Stockton locally-owned KSTN had stayed with music, eventually transitioning to oldies. The owner San Joaquin Broadcasting shut KSTN off Friday evening, after playing Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" and a custom version of "WKRP in Cincinnati." The 5-kw daytime/1-kw nighttime facility went on the air in 1949 after the World War II licensing freeze was lifted. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Thu Feb 25 12:47:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18345 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2010 20:47:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2010 20:47:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2010 20:47:12 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2010 20:44:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2010 20:44:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:44:11 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001001cab639$4eefa600$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=0U2zGPukURznrjYHriiiME_YK9g2OBgxCAUAMl6XvNgzrp89efc1d2xM X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon Did EMF actually buy KSTN, or are they just leasing airtime on KSTN-FM? A = story I read recently suggested (but didn't actually come out and say expli= citly) that San Joaquin still owns the station and that airtime on the FM s= tation will be leased out to EMF. Wikipedia lists the owner as San Joaquin= but the format as Contemporary Christian. Would EMF even consider buying an AM facility today? In the 1990s, EMF had= a few AM stations airing its "K-LOVE" Contemporary Christian programming. = In the years since, they have sold off all of their AM signals. I believe= that the last K-LOVE AM station was KLVP 1040, Portland, OR (my neck of th= e woods). AM 1040 broadcast in AM Stereo, but it sounded as though the aud= io feed to the transmitter site was mono, and some simulated stereo device = was being used to create a stereo effect. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > According to the two guys from EMF who evaluated the two stations, the AM= was in such bad shape it would be cheaper to bulldoze the whole place and = start over than to repair what's there. Sad indeed. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: W6YN Don Milbury=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:08 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > KSTN (1420) goes dark. >=20 > It was one of the laboratories for Bill Drake's stripped-down, high-ene= rgy Boss Radio in 1962, before that format took L.A. by storm on KHJ/930.=20 >=20 > Stockton locally-owned KSTN had stayed with music, eventually transitio= ning to oldies.=20 >=20 > The owner San Joaquin Broadcasting shut KSTN off Friday evening, after = playing Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" and a custom version of "WKRP = in Cincinnati."=20 >=20 > The 5-kw daytime/1-kw nighttime facility went on the air in 1949 after = the World War II licensing freeze was lifted. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Feb 25 14:37:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72024 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2010 22:37:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2010 22:37:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f221.google.com) (209.85.220.221) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2010 22:37:19 -0000 X-Received: by mail-fx0-f221.google.com with SMTP id 21so1181925fxm.5 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:37:19 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.223.100.150 with SMTP id y22mr183698fan.99.1267137439417; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:37:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-198-65.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.198.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm755687fxm.4.2010.02.25.14.37.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:37:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <776A30C950DE4E3D8E68813DFF5473EA@mygateway> To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:37:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.221 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=hl7VnTGLXIN9TrCY6-jppDrLl1IquA9c-QYYmXyjRgQ0_EeU0l3l X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit last time I checked 1040 was the last klove remaining btw is that still the format or did 1040 switch formats? goodnews broadcasting owns klove and air1 in tucson az interesting that there 2 different companies who own klove ----- Original Message ----- From: AlfredoT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark Did EMF actually buy KSTN, or are they just leasing airtime on KSTN-FM? A story I read recently suggested (but didn't actually come out and say explicitly) that San Joaquin still owns the station and that airtime on the FM station will be leased out to EMF. Wikipedia lists the owner as San Joaquin but the format as Contemporary Christian. Would EMF even consider buying an AM facility today? In the 1990s, EMF had a few AM stations airing its "K-LOVE" Contemporary Christian programming. In the years since, they have sold off all of their AM signals. I believe that the last K-LOVE AM station was KLVP 1040, Portland, OR (my neck of the woods). AM 1040 broadcast in AM Stereo, but it sounded as though the audio feed to the transmitter site was mono, and some simulated stereo device was being used to create a stereo effect. --Alfredo --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > According to the two guys from EMF who evaluated the two stations, the AM was in such bad shape it would be cheaper to bulldoze the whole place and start over than to repair what's there. Sad indeed. > > Scott Todd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: W6YN Don Milbury > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:08 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark > > > > KSTN (1420) goes dark. > > It was one of the laboratories for Bill Drake's stripped-down, high-energy Boss Radio in 1962, before that format took L.A. by storm on KHJ/930. > > Stockton locally-owned KSTN had stayed with music, eventually transitioning to oldies. > > The owner San Joaquin Broadcasting shut KSTN off Friday evening, after playing Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" and a custom version of "WKRP in Cincinnati." > > The 5-kw daytime/1-kw nighttime facility went on the air in 1949 after the World War II licensing freeze was lifted. > > > > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Feb 25 15:29:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82636 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2010 22:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2010 22:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2010 22:33:30 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.150] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100225163320000289600010.0) with SMTP id <20100225163320000289600010> for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:33:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005b01cab66b$42737820$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:33:20 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=PmLUIeADcTaaF495bp-bnCJEZGB-k6GTSQWSMe7kWJiBkKFD8RwX X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From what I understand they did purchase KSTN FM, though all the paperwork may not be through the FCC as of yet. As far as AMs are concerned, for the most part any of those they get are parts of package deals to get an FM they're interested in. They'll fix them up enough to become legal again and then sell it off. As far as I know they won't be buying anymore AMs on purpose, though if they get a good enough signal at a good enough price they may use it for the new God's Country format they're distributing. Currently it's being produced by a third party but being distributed via their satellite carrier, though they have discussed the possibility of taking that format in house as well. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: AlfredoT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark Would EMF even consider buying an AM facility today? In the 1990s, EMF had a few AM stations airing its "K-LOVE" Contemporary Christian programming. In the years since, they have sold off all of their AM signals. I believe that the last K-LOVE AM station was KLVP 1040, Portland, OR (my neck of the woods). AM 1040 broadcast in AM Stereo, but it sounded as though the audio feed to the transmitter site was mono, and some simulated stereo device was being used to create a stereo effect. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Feb 25 16:45:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42045 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2010 00:44:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2010 00:44:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f223.google.com) (209.85.220.223) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2010 00:44:56 -0000 X-Received: by fxm23 with SMTP id 23so851361fxm.23 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:44:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.87.56.34 with SMTP id i34mr791080fgk.57.1267144699442; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:38:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-198-65.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.198.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm4855266fxm.6.2010.02.25.16.38.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:38:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9301D9B7FBB449B8A44AAF4BCB0C8CB6@mygateway> To: References: <005b01cab66b$42737820$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:38:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.223 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=u3CNWU_ioT0ne1412-rrumguDiKITsdVyMzp8qmCPk_3SmYn9V2u X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the new gods country? okay I thaught I have seen it all when they started playing christian rap good stuff btw anywhere I can get a taste of this format? ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:33 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark From what I understand they did purchase KSTN FM, though all the paperwork may not be through the FCC as of yet. As far as AMs are concerned, for the most part any of those they get are parts of package deals to get an FM they're interested in. They'll fix them up enough to become legal again and then sell it off. As far as I know they won't be buying anymore AMs on purpose, though if they get a good enough signal at a good enough price they may use it for the new God's Country format they're distributing. Currently it's being produced by a third party but being distributed via their satellite carrier, though they have discussed the possibility of taking that format in house as well. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: AlfredoT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark Would EMF even consider buying an AM facility today? In the 1990s, EMF had a few AM stations airing its "K-LOVE" Contemporary Christian programming. In the years since, they have sold off all of their AM signals. I believe that the last K-LOVE AM station was KLVP 1040, Portland, OR (my neck of the woods). AM 1040 broadcast in AM Stereo, but it sounded as though the audio feed to the transmitter site was mono, and some simulated stereo device was being used to create a stereo effect. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Feb 25 16:48:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56986 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2010 00:48:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2010 00:48:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f218.google.com) (209.85.220.218) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2010 00:48:44 -0000 X-Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10so6637604fxm.30 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:48:43 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.223.75.156 with SMTP id y28mr542623faj.30.1267144827756; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:40:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-198-65.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.198.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm4861986fxm.9.2010.02.25.16.40.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:40:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38BE7B833F3F4B10B81B54E5BA448063@mygateway> To: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:40:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.218 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: identifying a song? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=Y8OdBT-N6OglGEZMV6TF0qB6vTpqo6Tsfz0UESFhRKcp5p8mGBg5 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello I recorded a song off of tvu its a christian rock/rap video channel on sky angel I need to identify the song there services around that i can call or something to get the artest and title? Hank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Thu Feb 25 18:45:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62085 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2010 02:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2010 02:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2010 02:45:16 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail17.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.157]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABF2QM4NAN56ZGS for (sender ); Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:17:48 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD1XnKs8e5ZdIRIQoWj0Qi4Q= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail17.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P7NP25TH; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:16:50 PST X-Received: from [99.132.113.220] by webmail17.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:16:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:16:01 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100225.181601.3294.3@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 2164 X-ContentStamp: 3:4:3961837052 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: 30 Radio Stations Now on Air in Haiti X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=ckTzq7SRlLRVpTuFfZO6NedYMumlsJRyjMXHsBPPgA X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Of all the communications sectors affected by the earthquake in Haiti, broa= dcasters suffered the most. That's according to Federal Communications Commission officials who went to= Port-au-Prince in January to assess communications damage and help that co= untry's communications regulators with their restoration efforts. The team was deployed in response to a request from Director General Mont= =E0igne Marcelin of Conseil National des T=E9l=E9communications, or Conatel= , the communications agency in Haiti, in coordination with the U.S. Agency = for International Development. In an update delivered to commissioners during last week's open meeting, Mi= ndel Del La Torre, chief of the International Bureau, and Jamie Barnett, ch= ief of the Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau, detailed the efforts= of FCC employees to help Haiti in the last week in January. Many of the communications providers in the quake zone are working against = tremendous odds; some had deaths in their families or were left homeless by= the disaster, or their facilities and equipment were damaged, De La Torre = said. One communications network was working after the earthquake but went down a= fter 15 hours because of a lack of generator fuel, she said. Before the earthquake, Port-au-Prince had some 50 radio stations and 18 TV = stations operating. Now, about 30 radio stations are on the air as well as = six TV stations, she said. Broadcasters in the Haitian quake zone suffered = "substantial equipment damage," she said. Hard-wired phones were heavily damaged. There were 108,000 telephone lines = in the country in 2008. Post-quake, Port-au-Prince and other effected areas= have had a total loss of wireline infrastructure and those phones are stil= l not working, she said. Wireless service fared better in the quake. Haiti had 2.5 million cell user= s before the quake and some three out of every 10 Haitians had a cellphone.= Now, new equipment has replaced destroyed cell sites and cell coverage is = nearly back to 100%, said De La Torre. The commission intends to help with the restoration of Haiti's communicatio= ns over the long term. From keith1226@yahoo.com Thu Feb 25 23:16:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: keith1226@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37460 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2010 07:16:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2010 07:16:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2010 07:16:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2010 07:11:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2010 07:11:38 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:11:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38BE7B833F3F4B10B81B54E5BA448063@mygateway> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 67.183.112.24 From: "KeithB" Subject: Re: identifying a song? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=27376624; y=GIFBsbn3LpPhOjBcBedQ98LMlcs0pzg3mZFO8am-2wI2JKwq X-Yahoo-Profile: keith1226 Hank,=20 If you can understand the words, just enter the first 1 or 2 lines into Goo= gle or another search engine. This will usually bring up the complete lyric= s, an mp3 of the song, background info on the artist, etc.=20 Keith Beesley --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > hello I recorded a song off of tvu > its a christian rock/rap video channel on sky angel > I need to identify the song > there services around that i can call or something to get the artest and = title? > Hank >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 26 05:33:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67556 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2010 13:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2010 13:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2010 13:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.111] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100226073134000581000010.0) with SMTP id <20100226073134000581000010> for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:31:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003001cab6e8$be90a9a0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <776A30C950DE4E3D8E68813DFF5473EA@mygateway> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:31:34 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=b65FZ4tWRTXg3wqpHqtKn4IaXnEzW4KTbiw-3xHmQM5GvwS86Mrk X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most likely just buying the air time or the station is being run as an LMA- local marketing agreement, where the people running the station aren't the same as those who own it. These situations sometimes lead to the owners selling to the renters. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:37 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark goodnews broadcasting owns klove and air1 in tucson az interesting that there 2 different companies who own klove --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 26 05:45:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86076 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2010 13:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2010 13:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2010 13:41:47 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.111] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100226074120001798200010.0) with SMTP id <20100226074120001798200010> for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:41:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004d01cab6ea$1be0cbc0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <005b01cab66b$42737820$d503fea9@stodd> <9301D9B7FBB449B8A44AAF4BCB0C8CB6@mygateway> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:41:20 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=5kHx26qI2aDD9Jtx7KBsRNP8lQltqFQc9pcRKRk3_p0dZnoDhqRM X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gospel goes way back to the roots of country music so far from being surprised someone came up with it at all, I'm surprised it took so long. http://www.godscountryradionetwork.com/ Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:45 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark the new gods country? okay I thaught I have seen it all when they started playing christian rap good stuff btw anywhere I can get a taste of this format? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Feb 26 07:49:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25799 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2010 15:40:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2010 15:40:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2010 15:40:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2010 15:35:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2010 15:35:37 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:35:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005b01cab66b$42737820$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=oOdEFYy0taprPo2weQSGfN6k21hzJJ4MnPEdzj-eqoZpybFlJSqrjKE X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I still don't know why EMF bought 1520 Rossford/Toledo when their K-Love is= already on 96.9FM plus 3 or 4 FM translators too? Thought that they'd sell off the 1520AM, as it's an almost brand-new statio= n built in the last 5 years and let somebody else have it, but I think it w= as included with the 96.9 deal a year ago.=20 From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Fri Feb 26 13:10:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17789 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2010 21:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2010 21:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2010 21:10:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2010 21:10:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2010 21:10:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:10:46 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <776A30C950DE4E3D8E68813DFF5473EA@mygateway> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=OIzWeDLfReaqKvYKcWy_S5g6XOtJ5udBecF5n9eYH881MmqwwX-x8wva X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > last time I checked 1040 was the last klove remaining > btw is that still the format or did 1040 switch formats? The K-Love format left the 1040 frequency in 2006. At that time, Churchill= Media bought the station and changed the format to a Regional Mexican musi= c format marketed as "La X." The callsign was changed to KXPD (intended me= aning was "la X de PortlanD"). This format aired on 1040 until December 30= , 2009, when Churchill filed bankruptcy and signed all of its radio and tel= evision stations off the air. As of today, the 1040 frequency remains vaca= nt. AM Stereo on 1040 was discontinued sometime around 2002. Churchill broadca= st IBOC on 1040 for a little under one year, until the exciter went bananas= sometime last fall. I was tuning around the dial that day, and I heard Re= gional Mexican music playing on 1000 kHz. I knew something wacky was happe= ning, as there is no way that a legitimate station would be assigned to tha= t frequency in Portland, due to our proximity to Seattle's KOMO (co-channel= ), as well as stations on 970 and 1010 kHz in the Portland area. When I tu= ned to 1040 and heard nothing, I concluded that the KXPD transmitter had lo= st its mind; an ID broadcast on 1000 kHz a few minutes later proved my hypo= thesis. Sometime later, one of the engineers on the pdxradio message board= stated that Broadcast Electronics IBOC exciters default to 1000 kHz. --Alfredo From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Feb 26 15:16:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80779 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2010 23:16:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2010 23:16:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f181.google.com) (74.125.83.181) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2010 23:16:38 -0000 X-Received: by pvc30 with SMTP id 30so187303pvc.12 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:15:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.142.248.36 with SMTP id v36mr597925wfh.228.1267226152761; Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:15:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-198-65.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.198.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm243377pwj.4.2010.02.26.15.15.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:15:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5447794E697B4CA896DE31188EE0CD48@mygateway> To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:15:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: identifying a song? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=BYKwSQxu2TdmXB6BYpEOcF4vACwJfWUYxwosy6czlMm4glYg9mSS X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thats the problem the dude is rapping really quick ----- Original Message ----- From: KeithB To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:11 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: identifying a song? Hank, If you can understand the words, just enter the first 1 or 2 lines into Google or another search engine. This will usually bring up the complete lyrics, an mp3 of the song, background info on the artist, etc. Keith Beesley --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "hank smith" wrote: > > hello I recorded a song off of tvu > its a christian rock/rap video channel on sky angel > I need to identify the song > there services around that i can call or something to get the artest and title? > Hank > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Feb 26 15:26:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93812 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2010 23:26:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2010 23:26:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f46.google.com) (74.125.83.46) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2010 23:26:35 -0000 X-Received: by gwb19 with SMTP id 19so193563gwb.33 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:26:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.81.5 with SMTP id e5mr1815778ybb.158.1267226795106; Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:26:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (97-115-198-65.tcso.qwest.net [97.115.198.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm209394ywd.58.2010.02.26.15.26.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:26:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <908D674BA2A94332AA015E248B9027F3@mygateway> To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:26:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=o8QSB_F8P_OEv7XwKh7WfjDEh4C-DDbE6kHjLA_p-mghkrGp4RZg X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is on there 1520 freq? ----- Original Message ----- From: toledohamradio To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:35 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark I still don't know why EMF bought 1520 Rossford/Toledo when their K-Love is already on 96.9FM plus 3 or 4 FM translators too? Thought that they'd sell off the 1520AM, as it's an almost brand-new station built in the last 5 years and let somebody else have it, but I think it was included with the 96.9 deal a year ago. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Feb 26 17:00:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24187 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2010 01:00:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Feb 2010 01:00:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2010 01:00:11 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.7] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100226190006000272000010.0) with SMTP id <20100226190006000272000010> for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:00:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005501cab748$eeeb3240$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:00:06 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=-O43tk3uc7H-wfrvq_paUATRQkg5xt-HcY-54RmehU4fTdGBEBdB X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Depending upon it's coverage it sounds like it could be a good station to buy at a good price if one had the money. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: AlfredoT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 3:10 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Historic KSTN (1420) goes dark The K-Love format left the 1040 frequency in 2006. At that time, Churchill Media bought the station and changed the format to a Regional Mexican music format marketed as "La X." The callsign was changed to KXPD (intended meaning was "la X de PortlanD"). This format aired on 1040 until December 30, 2009, when Churchill filed bankruptcy and signed all of its radio and television stations off the air. As of today, the 1040 frequency remains vacant. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Mon Mar 01 16:05:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12448 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 00:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 00:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 00:04:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2010 00:04:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2010 00:04:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:04:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 193.92.64.227 From: "pdmtr" Subject: jotape1960 from Chile? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=SOesklUN1LDLea6RK-n7z3MV-xTUha72O2YZ2N6FcUA X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 Our forum have a member from Chile, the well known to all of us, jotape1960= (Juan J. Paredes G.). His city is Curicó, is southern of San Diago, a= nd at least 150 miles nearest the epicenter of the 8.8 earthquake! Hope Jua= n & his family are well, and he will be back at the group soon... although = the situation there seems to be terrible for now!=20 God bless you all there, as Juan use to say... Hope to hear you soon! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Just a question (excuse my ignorance): >=20 > Is there some relation between the station kind of antenna and the platfo= rm motion phenomenon? >=20 > I mean, when we tune in DX mode and if the station uses a directional arr= ay and/or some phasor system, Is it more relevant to the final platform mot= ion effect? >=20 > Or, the platform motion is an inside the tuner issue only? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > > > Thinking back, I don't remember platform motion being much of a problem= with the=C2=A0Sony SRF-A100. On weaker signals, maybe a little, but all in= all, pretty stable.Of course, things were a LOT quieter back then, no IBOC= , fewer computers, lower noise-floor in general, and that radio did not dec= ode the C-QUAM in the usual (Motorola) way.=C2=A0The decoder was basically = a Magnavox type, L+R=3DAM, L-R=3DPM, and I recall Motorola not being too ha= ppy about Sony's "incorrect method" of decoding C-QUAM, hah-hah!=C2=A0Stran= gely, I don't recall Kahn or Harris complaining...hmm.... > > All that said, on MONAURAL signals, yes, there was a bit of "swirling" = around, or "platform motion" for previously discussed reasons. =C2=A0Oddly,= that is one of the effects I kinda liked on the SRF-A100, what one old ham= operator friend called "3-D interference". I sorely miss that radio, I sol= d it to a friend when I was laid off, but with the understanding that when = HE wants to sell it, I get first chance at it! =C2=A0All I have for C-QUAM = right now is an SRF-42, but it needs a bit of TLC before going back to work= . > > Keep catching those waves! > > G=C2=A0 > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > >=20 > > From: Mirela Chiochiu > > Subject: {AMSF} platform motion > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 7:06 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > > =C2=A0 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > Hello again ! > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > I wonder if anyone else experienced platform motion on the SONY A100 or= the SONY CFS6000 when using this multimode receiver in AM ST A mode... How= do you find it ? It sounds like a trip to LA RONDE (for those who know thi= s Montreal area party speed center`- I don`t know how to translate f=C3=AAt= e forraine otherwise). > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > May the good DX be with you ! > >=20 > > Bogdan Chiochiu > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Mar 01 17:46:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20680 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 01:46:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 01:46:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 01:46:27 -0000 X-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so2191069fga.14 for ; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:46:26 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.86.106.7 with SMTP id e7mr8753076fgc.1.1267494386367; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:46:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (65-103-210-49.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.49]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm2616316fxm.1.2010.03.01.17.46.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:46:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 18:46:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 72.14.220.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} jotape1960 from Chile? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=SoROwlTWP3mw7OakUEUYSFdAUHfXb8nOkykhppGGfHDTbnMYYDgE X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable agreed I when I heard chili got slammed with a earth quake he was the first person= that came to my mind. I to hope he is okay. my prayers are with him and his family if any one has any updates please post them ----- Original Message -----=20 From: pdmtr=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:04 PM Subject: {AMSF} jotape1960 from Chile? =20=20=20=20 Hi=20 Our forum have a member from Chile, the well known to all of us, jotape19= 60 (Juan J. Paredes G.). His city is Curicó, is southern of San Diago,= and at least 150 miles nearest the epicenter of the 8.8 earthquake! Hope J= uan & his family are well, and he will be back at the group soon... althoug= h the situation there seems to be terrible for now!=20 God bless you all there, as Juan use to say... Hope to hear you soon! --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote= : > > Just a question (excuse my ignorance): >=20 > Is there some relation between the station kind of antenna and the plat= form motion phenomenon? >=20 > I mean, when we tune in DX mode and if the station uses a directional a= rray and/or some phasor system, Is it more relevant to the final platform m= otion effect? >=20 > Or, the platform motion is an inside the tuner issue only? >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > > > Thinking back, I don't remember platform motion being much of a probl= em with the=C2 Sony SRF-A100. On weaker signals, maybe a little, but all in= all, pretty stable.Of course, things were a LOT quieter back then, no IBOC= , fewer computers, lower noise-floor in general, and that radio did not dec= ode the C-QUAM in the usual (Motorola) way.=C2 The decoder was basically a = Magnavox type, L+R=3DAM, L-R=3DPM, and I recall Motorola not being too happ= y about Sony's "incorrect method" of decoding C-QUAM, hah-hah!=C2 Strangely= , I don't recall Kahn or Harris complaining...hmm.... > > All that said, on MONAURAL signals, yes, there was a bit of "swirling= " around, or "platform motion" for previously discussed reasons. =C2 Oddly,= that is one of the effects I kinda liked on the SRF-A100, what one old ham= operator friend called "3-D interference". I sorely miss that radio, I sol= d it to a friend when I was laid off, but with the understanding that when = HE wants to sell it, I get first chance at it! =C2 All I have for C-QUAM ri= ght now is an SRF-42, but it needs a bit of TLC before going back to work. > > Keep catching those waves! > > G=C2=20 > > --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Mirela Chiochiu wrote: > >=20 > > From: Mirela Chiochiu > > Subject: {AMSF} platform motion > > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 7:06 PM > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > =C2=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Hello again ! > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > I wonder if anyone else experienced platform motion on the SONY A100 = or the SONY CFS6000 when using this multimode receiver in AM ST A mode... H= ow do you find it ? It sounds like a trip to LA RONDE (for those who know t= his Montreal area party speed center`- I don`t know how to translate f=C3= =AAte forraine otherwise). > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > May the good DX be with you ! > >=20 > > Bogdan Chiochiu > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Mar 01 18:19:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2049 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 02:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 02:19:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f227.google.com) (209.85.219.227) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 02:19:47 -0000 X-Received: by ewy27 with SMTP id 27so165444ewy.14 for ; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:19:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.213.109.152 with SMTP id j24mr3844795ebp.25.1267496347126; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:19:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (65-103-210-49.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.49]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm11987456eyg.40.2010.03.01.18.19.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:19:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1022F0E7DC93425893D2C81D5D75E2D4@mygateway> To: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:19:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: am stereo sdr radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=AOs8n3Vn1mWQiKdnnIgsWEgob-zJoIJ60UNyYr26FQbQsX0F3O-O X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello can any one tell me if there is a software that can have a sdr recieve am stereo? I talked to 2 people and they don't seem like they want to add it to the software am. any one have any ideas on this? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Mar 01 18:38:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15842 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 02:38:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 02:38:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f184.google.com) (209.85.222.184) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 02:38:47 -0000 X-Received: by pzk14 with SMTP id 14so4241793pzk.28 for ; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:38:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.114.6.1 with SMTP id 1mr3122543waf.104.1267497526720; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:38:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1022F0E7DC93425893D2C81D5D75E2D4@mygateway> References: <1022F0E7DC93425893D2C81D5D75E2D4@mygateway> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 11:38:46 +0900 Message-ID: <6e9df1071003011838m2fa20eeao19b5b53dd57f4709@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=0u4bNWsvTQEwzz0XYXvvmws6lTaFcgTIMN8uwujnzSTmr-Fu X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If not then we can write one! I am a computer programmer. Do we have any others in the group? We still need to get some hardware from somewhere to do this. Probably an IF convertor an ADC and an antenna. I had a paper on using a soundcard as a AD= C using quadrature maths. I'll try to find it. If we do this in software, then we can make the bandpass filter as wide as we want it to be. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:19 AM, hank smith wrote: > > > hello can any one tell me if there is a software that can have a sdr > recieve am stereo? > I talked to 2 people and they don't seem like they want to add it to the > software am. any one have any ideas on this? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Mon Mar 01 18:42:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16395 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 02:42:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 02:42:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f203.google.com) (209.85.216.203) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 02:42:52 -0000 X-Received: by pxi41 with SMTP id 41so1029784pxi.23 for ; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:42:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.114.70.3 with SMTP id s3mr3106547waa.83.1267497772118; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:42:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6e9df1071003011838m2fa20eeao19b5b53dd57f4709@mail.gmail.com> References: <1022F0E7DC93425893D2C81D5D75E2D4@mygateway> <6e9df1071003011838m2fa20eeao19b5b53dd57f4709@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 11:42:52 +0900 Message-ID: <6e9df1071003011842s3a610bcdya7b6b8b90a94e56f@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.216.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=tY7nrlyvAE0aCAQ6jA4NLA74E2KRZHVn0GS4KnjvBDYWU-41 X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here it is. Interesting read. http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/pdf/020708qex013.pdf On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > If not then we can write one! > > I am a computer programmer. Do we have any others in the group? We still > need to get some hardware from somewhere to do this. Probably an IF > convertor an ADC and an antenna. I had a paper on using a soundcard as a = ADC > using quadrature maths. I'll try to find it. > > If we do this in software, then we can make the bandpass filter as wide a= s > we want it to be. > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:19 AM, hank smith wrote: > >> >> >> hello can any one tell me if there is a software that can have a sdr >> recieve am stereo? >> I talked to 2 people and they don't seem like they want to add it to the >> software am. any one have any ideas on this? >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >>=20=20 >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Mar 01 18:44:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12849 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 02:44:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 02:44:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f210.google.com) (209.85.219.210) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 02:44:14 -0000 X-Received: by ewy2 with SMTP id 2so1654489ewy.0 for ; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:44:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.213.71.143 with SMTP id h15mr470705ebj.31.1267497853539; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:44:13 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (65-103-210-49.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.49]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm5307921eya.18.2010.03.01.18.44.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:44:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1176EEE4889C4BC59D285A58C9AE7568@mygateway> To: References: <1022F0E7DC93425893D2C81D5D75E2D4@mygateway> <6e9df1071003011838m2fa20eeao19b5b53dd57f4709@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:44:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=eSqj1HBKYyjUXVEnq0slMD3Y604emgDatZGboBdGz4Qysbr8aBA3 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 look at the soft66adh that is the sdr I use can you also? program this in to a open source project called winrad? there is a few things I need done to that program to make it blind friendly as it is this may be the way to go about. let e know ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Piccoli" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:38 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? > If not then we can write one! > > I am a computer programmer. Do we have any others in the group? We still > need to get some hardware from somewhere to do this. Probably an IF > convertor an ADC and an antenna. I had a paper on using a soundcard as a > ADC > using quadrature maths. I'll try to find it. > > If we do this in software, then we can make the bandpass filter as wide as > we want it to be. > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:19 AM, hank smith wrote: > >> >> >> hello can any one tell me if there is a software that can have a sdr >> recieve am stereo? >> I talked to 2 people and they don't seem like they want to add it to the >> software am. any one have any ideas on this? >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links > > > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Mar 01 19:07:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41660 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 03:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 03:07:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 03:07:39 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.113] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100301210718001518200010.0) with SMTP id <20100301210718001518200010> for ; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:07:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <004d01cab9b6$3750a960$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:07:18 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} jotape1960 from Chile? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Rejib1PTyhG0O_XnDy73uc8scfyanMLOAZSu4LtIrb0F43Xyo73j X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That was my first thought too. He's about half way between the epicenter and Santiago, the national capital. Likely he's got his hands full even if his station is still on the air, which I rather doubt at the moment. I hope we hear from him soon, but I'm not counting on it. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:46 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} jotape1960 from Chile? agreed I when I heard chili got slammed with a earth quake he was the first person that came to my mind. I to hope he is okay. my prayers are with him and his family --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Mar 01 19:15:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44651 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 03:15:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 03:15:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 03:15:45 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.113] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100301211521002361500011.0) with SMTP id <20100301211521002361500011> for ; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:15:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005e01cab9b7$57826ec0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <1022F0E7DC93425893D2C81D5D75E2D4@mygateway> <6e9df1071003011838m2fa20eeao19b5b53dd57f4709@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:15:21 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=xnSzxnvEwQk9nJquiMqUDjsiOS4JhwMO6lgsAEN-7jEtHSiQl5lL X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude The software exists, from what I understand, though I wouldn't know where to find it. Is Mike Grant still here? IIRC he knew. Rather a pity SDRs aren't a stand-alone device yet but require a computer to work. Still, by making AM stereo viable with current SDRs, we'll be that much further ahead when stand-alone units do become available. Of the existing software, I wonder how resistant to platform motion it is? It may need some refining. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Piccoli" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:38 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? > If not then we can write one! > > I am a computer programmer. Do we have any others in the group? We still > need to get some hardware from somewhere to do this. Probably an IF > convertor an ADC and an antenna. I had a paper on using a soundcard as a ADC > using quadrature maths. I'll try to find it. > > If we do this in software, then we can make the bandpass filter as wide as > we want it to be. > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:19 AM, hank smith wrote: > > > > > > > hello can any one tell me if there is a software that can have a sdr > > recieve am stereo? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Mar 01 19:37:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40784 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 03:37:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 03:37:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f222.google.com) (209.85.219.222) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 03:37:42 -0000 X-Received: by mail-ew0-f222.google.com with SMTP id 22so1897182ewy.6 for ; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:37:41 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.213.2.75 with SMTP id 11mr3955496ebi.14.1267501060254; Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:37:40 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (65-103-210-49.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.49]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm12062171eyg.16.2010.03.01.19.37.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:37:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9938056E2DD9418F971F20CC92ED851F@mygateway> To: References: <1022F0E7DC93425893D2C81D5D75E2D4@mygateway> <6e9df1071003011838m2fa20eeao19b5b53dd57f4709@mail.gmail.com> <005e01cab9b7$57826ec0$d503fea9@stodd> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 20:37:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.219.222 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=9MldfkRwD0Ke1aqfvMk7l5AcBhpMvgONE8SKkD9NPn-z1AX93UOe X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello you can find winrad from www.winrad.org it supports alot of sdr models also it is open source so any one can motify the program ----- Original Message ----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? The software exists, from what I understand, though I wouldn't know where to find it. Is Mike Grant still here? IIRC he knew. Rather a pity SDRs aren't a stand-alone device yet but require a computer to work. Still, by making AM stereo viable with current SDRs, we'll be that much further ahead when stand-alone units do become available. Of the existing software, I wonder how resistant to platform motion it is? It may need some refining. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Piccoli" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:38 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? > If not then we can write one! > > I am a computer programmer. Do we have any others in the group? We still > need to get some hardware from somewhere to do this. Probably an IF > convertor an ADC and an antenna. I had a paper on using a soundcard as a ADC > using quadrature maths. I'll try to find it. > > If we do this in software, then we can make the bandpass filter as wide as > we want it to be. > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:19 AM, hank smith wrote: > > > > > > > hello can any one tell me if there is a software that can have a sdr > > recieve am stereo? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Tue Mar 02 00:37:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68847 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 08:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 08:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 08:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2010 08:37:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Mar 2010 08:37:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 08:37:35 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005e01cab9b7$57826ec0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.37.69 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=kwD1KM_ekHV-kYKcAOUkZBsw5HU9o5CJiE6d9Kke1wU X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr An SDR program that supports AM CQUAM Stereo with excellent results accordi= ng to my tests, is the German SoDiRa software. You can work it with out eve= n having an SDR hardware for it. Even a common mono receiver can decode, co= nnected at a PC audio card, AM Stereo (C-QUAM) signals! You can find more a= bout it and download it from:=20 http://www.dsp4swls.de/sodira/sodiraeng.html=20 Best regards=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > The software exists, from what I understand, though I wouldn't know where= to > find it. Is Mike Grant still here? IIRC he knew. Rather a pity SDRs > aren't a stand-alone device yet but require a computer to work. Still, b= y > making AM stereo viable with current SDRs, we'll be that much further ahe= ad > when stand-alone units do become available. >=20 > Of the existing software, I wonder how resistant to platform motion it is= ? > It may need some refining. >=20 > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Daniel Piccoli" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? >=20 >=20 > > If not then we can write one! > > > > I am a computer programmer. Do we have any others in the group? We stil= l > > need to get some hardware from somewhere to do this. Probably an IF > > convertor an ADC and an antenna. I had a paper on using a soundcard as = a > ADC > > using quadrature maths. I'll try to find it. > > > > If we do this in software, then we can make the bandpass filter as wide= as > > we want it to be. > > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:19 AM, hank smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > hello can any one tell me if there is a software that can have a sdr > > > recieve am stereo? >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Tue Mar 02 03:17:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4455 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 11:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 11:17:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f189.google.com) (209.85.210.189) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 11:17:32 -0000 X-Received: by yxe27 with SMTP id 27so41093yxe.21 for ; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:17:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.101.168.31 with SMTP id v31mr383060ano.152.1267528308302; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:11:48 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (65-103-210-49.tcso.qwest.net [65.103.210.49]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1452300yxd.53.2010.03.02.03.11.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:11:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <75C3CCA41506495FAF9109FD79DCCE27@mygateway> To: References: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 04:11:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.189 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=1qr6Do7jGMa80IkSRbWbEly3dPeWA21eszdOHQPHrytHouv_0k9y X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what part15 transmitters are around? I know our awesome guy from greece is helping out, what else is there? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: pdmtr To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? An SDR program that supports AM CQUAM Stereo with excellent results according to my tests, is the German SoDiRa software. You can work it with out even having an SDR hardware for it. Even a common mono receiver can decode, connected at a PC audio card, AM Stereo (C-QUAM) signals! You can find more about it and download it from: http://www.dsp4swls.de/sodira/sodiraeng.html Best regards --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > The software exists, from what I understand, though I wouldn't know where to > find it. Is Mike Grant still here? IIRC he knew. Rather a pity SDRs > aren't a stand-alone device yet but require a computer to work. Still, by > making AM stereo viable with current SDRs, we'll be that much further ahead > when stand-alone units do become available. > > Of the existing software, I wonder how resistant to platform motion it is? > It may need some refining. > > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Piccoli" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? > > > > If not then we can write one! > > > > I am a computer programmer. Do we have any others in the group? We still > > need to get some hardware from somewhere to do this. Probably an IF > > convertor an ADC and an antenna. I had a paper on using a soundcard as a > ADC > > using quadrature maths. I'll try to find it. > > > > If we do this in software, then we can make the bandpass filter as wide as > > we want it to be. > > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:19 AM, hank smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > hello can any one tell me if there is a software that can have a sdr > > > recieve am stereo? > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Tue Mar 02 06:20:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25858 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 14:20:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 14:20:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx2.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.4) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 14:20:00 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.123] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100302081857002192700010.0) with SMTP id <20100302081857002192700010> for ; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 08:18:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002201caba14$0d84ce00$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <75C3CCA41506495FAF9109FD79DCCE27@mygateway> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 08:18:57 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.4 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=kavvNtSJl40M5M6tbSmpTkQdZ4-kchSWjwuB4H4TrGESEHohxM9T X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Occasionally Chris Cuff will build a batch and put them on eBay. I think he lurks here but rarely ever posts. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 5:17 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? what part15 transmitters are around? I know our awesome guy from greece is helping out, what else is there? Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: pdmtr To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 1:37 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? An SDR program that supports AM CQUAM Stereo with excellent results according to my tests, is the German SoDiRa software. You can work it with out even having an SDR hardware for it. Even a common mono receiver can decode, connected at a PC audio card, AM Stereo (C-QUAM) signals! You can find more about it and download it from: http://www.dsp4swls.de/sodira/sodiraeng.html Best regards --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > The software exists, from what I understand, though I wouldn't know where to > find it. Is Mike Grant still here? IIRC he knew. Rather a pity SDRs > aren't a stand-alone device yet but require a computer to work. Still, by > making AM stereo viable with current SDRs, we'll be that much further ahead > when stand-alone units do become available. > > Of the existing software, I wonder how resistant to platform motion it is? > It may need some refining. > > Scott Todd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Piccoli" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} am stereo sdr radio? > > > > If not then we can write one! > > > > I am a computer programmer. Do we have any others in the group? We still > > need to get some hardware from somewhere to do this. Probably an IF > > convertor an ADC and an antenna. I had a paper on using a soundcard as a > ADC > > using quadrature maths. I'll try to find it. > > > > If we do this in software, then we can make the bandpass filter as wide as > > we want it to be. > > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:19 AM, hank smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > hello can any one tell me if there is a software that can have a sdr > > > recieve am stereo? > > > > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Tue Mar 02 09:20:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1556 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 17:05:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 17:05:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 17:05:34 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail02.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.142]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABF24S5SAXXQL4J for (sender ); Tue, 2 Mar 2010 08:57:20 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD/6JQqIiq3h+xY1c0Xrlbgo= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail02.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P72KYKZS; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 08:56:26 PST X-Received: from [99.129.25.50] by webmail02.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:55:57 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:55:57 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100302.085557.21844.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 136 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:4069560086 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.142|webmail02.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=4o8GdMlwl7t3pHqnHem8HuqJf1AB9JrB9Cy37Tcl6A X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn New York AM's going for cheap.=20 Long Island's WNYG (1440) is being sold for $150,000.=20 Seems to be a measure of the Obama economy. From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Mar 02 13:25:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38790 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 21:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 21:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 21:25:47 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o22LPjow000828 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:25:45 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d16.5896346d (34920) for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:25:42 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA035-88684b8d8255267; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:25:41 -0500 Message-ID: <22549.5f27fb71.38bedc55@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:25:41 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.194.159.247 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.135 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Long Island AM WNYG (1440) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=kqT5usFrJfTEasjXUrf4ZRovl0B3t4qG_hLp1_clmIS7MTC094ctlq4EFXmKX1yf X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/2/2010 11:26:27 AM Central Standard Time, w6yn@juno.com writes: > New York AM's going for cheap. > Long Island's WNYG (1440) is being sold for $150,000. > Seems to be a measure of the Obama economy. How much of a contour you think 38 watts into a quarterwave puts into NYC from Babylon? That wouldn't even rank one as a respectable pirate by the Big Apple standards. Barack didn't kill AM radio. It was dead when he got there. I have maintain what AM radio needs is something worth listening to. It can't be some old format rehashed done on the cheap. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Tue Mar 02 13:39:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27216 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 21:39:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 21:39:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vw0-f42.google.com) (209.85.212.42) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 21:39:25 -0000 X-Received: by vws13 with SMTP id 13so279544vws.29 for ; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:39:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.220.126.167 with SMTP id c39mr4541041vcs.131.1267565965346; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:39:25 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.10? (75-138-48-110.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com [75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm39098886vws.14.2010.03.02.13.39.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Mar 2010 13:39:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B8D8590.1040703@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:39:28 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <22549.5f27fb71.38bedc55@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <22549.5f27fb71.38bedc55@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.212.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Long Island AM WNYG (1440) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=3ezxC6rQl4FEj8euEFl6TD8ZREnCD8F-6ACQZz9GXwappbRzAidkAde6DsTDpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > what AM radio needs is something worth listening to. It can't be some old format rehashed done on the cheap. > AGREED! Both large and Small AMs prove everyday that people will listen if they have a reason to tune in. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Mar 02 13:58:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75366 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 21:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 21:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 21:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o22LSKCS001574 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:28:20 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d17.57f76df7 (37553) for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:28:15 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB032-92b14b8d82ee362; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:28:14 -0500 Message-ID: <228a1.842f498.38bedcee@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:28:14 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.194.159.247 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.135 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} jotape1960 from Chile? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=QArkwnpdt_HcMqf9avmeY7rD0y1t2dVcdCx-KSe91SIurrSIYDbv5dKGXmKqhXCw X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wish Juan the best. It is in such times that stations like his can be literal lifelines. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Mar 02 14:05:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80568 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 21:30:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 21:30:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 21:30:21 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o22LUFAi015852 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:30:16 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d02.727ef607 (37570) for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:30:14 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB047-92c24b8d836665; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:30:14 -0500 Message-ID: <22af9.7bde6771.38bedd66@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 16:30:14 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.194.159.247 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.135 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} jotape1960 from Chile? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=5Htcbp9QCC-HGEAiY2AJ_l5t9gUJ9hubUkAdlKIGgc4KJLHZSqTEdAzIUzButpkc X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/1/2010 7:46:36 PM Central Standard Time, hanksmith5@gmail.com writes: > I when I heard chili got slammed with a earth quake he was the first > person that came to my mind. I to hope he is okay. > Does anyone know if he is a ham? Has anyone got the juice to work Chile? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Mar 02 14:48:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89750 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2010 22:48:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2010 22:48:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.144) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2010 22:48:48 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o22MmjuB005589 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:48:45 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bc9.68baeb04 (37062) for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:48:39 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-db04.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB048-90c64b8d95c7286; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:48:39 -0500 Message-ID: <8591.35a6c1f.38beefc7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:48:39 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.194.159.247 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.135 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.144 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Long Island AM WNYG (1440) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=ZAtZMiOgJ6PoUm6E3IO13V_NzeXxDobgCmh5ZY-2Oz72k0JHzU2g5iqwqR509yEj X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Incidentally, it isn't just AM stations that are losing money hand over fist. I live a few blocks away from a "cluster" which centrally programs about a half dozen 1 kW AM and 100 kW FM small town FM stations across South Arkansas. My former next door neighbor worked there before returning to NOLA for a more promising environment. I have the place staked out to find out when the Brink's truck delivers the weekly supply of cash which they must burn for heat. Everytime I drive by the place, I lose about half the money in my wallet. It's the place you go for a job when you can't hack it at Walmart just down the road. The problem with AM is the same as the that of FM and cable: Too much bandwidth. Maybe the free enterprise system will work and eliminate some of it. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From big_h00pla@yahoo.com Wed Mar 03 05:12:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: big_h00pla@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 75722 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2010 13:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2010 13:12:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2010 13:12:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2010 13:11:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2010 13:11:20 -0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:11:19 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20100302.085557.21844.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.121.108.91 From: "Kevin" Subject: Re: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=42895083; y=blyt4ikdRbBQeE_Ja9TcxFdiPm-m9QOh4dVRkbFv-40z0Nqc_A X-Yahoo-Profile: big_h00pla --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote= : > Seems to be a measure of the Obama economy. Why do we have to hear this right wing trash talk on a list that is suppose= d to have radio at its core? Obama didn't kill radio. Right wing corporations that put money over everyt= hing did.=20 Kevin From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 03 06:47:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82036 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2010 14:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2010 14:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.95) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2010 14:41:05 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o23EejLq013152 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:40:45 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d16.58b7624e (37542) for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:40:40 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-m24.mail.aol.com (magic-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.197]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB023-92a64b8e74e817c; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:40:40 -0500 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:40:40 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.194.159.247 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.197 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.95 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=Rb1FCBxXQZ68Ofe3M9W9jAlTiEaT3S7JW_H-MTXeZ-GbCQP6wOsdVTkUbySxxxsJ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/3/2010 7:12:12 AM Central Standard Time, big_h00pla@yahoo.com writes: > Obama didn't kill radio. Right wing corporations that put money over > everything did. > > I agree with you about Obama. I am a liberal and as such love to demonize big corporations, but they didn't kill it either. What killed AM radio as we know it was a combination of deregulation and technology. Deregulation brought on a glut of available bandwidth. By bandwidth, I mean the available channels or frequencies in a given market. The increased supply drove down spot rates, so station owners were faced with having less ad revenue to program more air time to stay afloat. That was where technology came in. Satellite feeds and automation replaced what is at the heart of radio, talent. Talent cannot be synthesized nor mass produced. It is talent that brings the audience, the technology is simply the means the reach them. Deregulation did much the same to the airlines. Competiton drove the price of air travel below the cost of providing it. I believe almost all the major carriers have gone through bankruptcy, merged, or both. Painful as it might be, the market needs to sort out the radio debacle. A fair number of stations need to go dark to get the available bandwidth down to the point it can be profitably programmed with quality once more. Greedy station owners once thought that more bandwidth was the answer to their dreams. Multiple ownership rules were relaxed, the AM freeze was lifted, and frequency protection for the clears was reduced. The result was not a dream, but a nightmare. We have a good example locally. The owner of a smalltown AM/FM combo here which earned a modest profit now owns a six station cluster that loses money at an alarming rate. I recall a cartoon posted at the counter of a local electronic supply house in St. Louis. Yes, there were actually such things at one time. It was not the cheapest place in town to buy parts, but the counter sales people were knowlegable and generally had what was needed. The cartoon showed to bums on a park bench. The one bum boast to other, "When I was in the electronic parts distribution business, no SOB ever undersold me." Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Mar 03 07:13:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69460 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2010 15:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2010 15:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f194.google.com) (209.85.221.194) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2010 15:13:27 -0000 X-Received: by qyk32 with SMTP id 32so991723qyk.28 for ; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:12:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.43.136 with SMTP id w8mr925016qae.209.1267629149547; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:12:29 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from ?192.168.0.10? ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1839766yxg.10.2010.03.03.07.12.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:12:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B8E7C5A.5090002@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 10:12:26 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.194 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=sTGZdJqc_59eBMQh0-zo9A6wQk_vFIlyFFx5WdTJp7v52ZiGGptwc-MSXsA0MQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Talent cannot be synthesized nor mass produced. It is talent that brings the > audience, the technology is simply the means the reach them. > Agreed! > We have a good example locally. The owner of a smalltown > AM/FM combo here which earned a modest profit now owns a six station > cluster that loses money at an alarming rate. > We have a good example here: WQUL 1510. It is a 1 KW Daytimer with 250 Watts Critical Hours and FM Translator. It is Live & Local for Mornings and Mid Day, and is loaded with local spots and has lots of listeners due to his Serving his local community with Local News, Birthdays, and School News. In short, if you want to know what is going on in Woodruff, you listen to WQUL and you will know. This is HOW hometown radio should be run, instead of running the Bird 24 Hours a Day! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w6yn@juno.com Wed Mar 03 08:06:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90466 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2010 16:06:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2010 16:06:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2010 16:06:32 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail07.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.147]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABF27CHVAWFXQAS for (sender ); Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:06:11 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD/lvUnACMrXrRpa4FuyQS1A= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail07.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P743GKDL; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:05:47 PST X-Received: from [99.129.25.50] by webmail07.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:04:55 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:04:55 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100303.080455.23973.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 710 X-ContentStamp: 4:6:1327348073 X-MAIL-INFO:52a191845519e45510f52059291924695160bdf0312975714d9db960e52d0011751149402d4df5b430fd390c4db48d45c189b539b5b920793d X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.147|webmail07.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=zgP49bHbzNHaHpw8BHW85QI1p8neBymnvufwlkQR0g X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Oh, I'm sorry, I thought he was running the country now. "Seems to be a measure of the Jones economy" Is that better? Let us not turn this into a political rant session. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Kevin" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:11:19 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wrote= : > Seems to be a measure of the Obama economy. Why do we have to hear this right wing trash talk on a list that is suppose= d to have radio at its core? Obama didn't kill radio. Right wing corporations that put money over everyt= hing did.=20 Kevin From wlx1430@yahoo.com Wed Mar 03 15:32:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45659 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2010 23:32:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Mar 2010 23:32:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.196) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2010 23:32:09 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89452 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2010 23:32:08 -0000 Message-ID: <756860.87982.qm@web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8wqA1XwVM1nBg51NH9EUnUYAM_Gt6xQh3NXM6htLQFlnwVg cPfl9s0Cy87hIM_p8LR8quL20ERetXMZnTKbULmaQ_HixD8gcNtXS7ZymT6y 3LUzR5mu4N2WX3kP_hSgysIbNZyx8rxYp3iRv9WVn9QplHmB8MnpQjkREtho 0AvHPK6kC7enxF7NWHz3hOCjVaHQA42swO4kSHJSybvcr__XGng0dqrgf8rI 2FCvS4HpDBLTHmxilXLMPr9oe7UQkgA131xQ21Yd1D1UTBAfzJT4Z0J7auUd HPH8fgFoaTu00HJIyl7NN5PtX6aJYXkr.FLNnoKhrp4snhiKcPhrKNdL8wVu k X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:32:08 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:32:08 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20100303.080455.23973.1@webmail07.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.196 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=WOgSeSoXCY3TMyXsFrrpf6jfakPTfyJUa0MJqka9dLR5zA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NEITHER party is running the country, that is being done by those with the = means (mainly ill-gotten) to call the shots...usually to their own gain and= everyone else's loss! (you know...Wall Street, and the "complexes", milita= ry-industrial, medical-industrial, prison-industrial, etc. ad nauseum ad in= finitum...)Everybody on the right hated Clinton, too, but we had a budget s= urplus and unemployment was so low that a blind felon could get a job as a = night-watchman! I'll vote for anybody that can bring us back to THAT condit= ion.Kevin, Don is right, it should be about radio, BUT I think you and I se= e eye-to-eye on a lot of political issues, so if you like, please write to = ME and we can commiserate and compare notes!George --- On Wed, 3/3/10, W6YN Don Milbury wrote: From: W6YN Don Milbury Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 11:04 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Oh, I'm sorry, I thought he was running the country now. "Seems to be a measure of the Jones economy" Is that better? Let us not turn this into a political rant session. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Kevin" To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Subject: {AMSF} Re: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:11:19 -0000 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "W6YN Don Milbury" wro= te: > Seems to be a measure of the Obama economy. Why do we have to hear this right wing trash talk on a list that is suppose= d to have radio at its core? Obama didn't kill radio. Right wing corporations that put money over everyt= hing did.=20 Kevin =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 03 16:38:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28875 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2010 00:38:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2010 00:38:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2010 00:38:49 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o240cMhZ004591 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 19:38:22 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c9c.62f9943f (37129) for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 19:38:18 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-m19.mail.aol.com (magic-m19.mail.aol.com [172.21.136.208]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA023-91094b8f00fa2b1; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:38:18 -0500 Message-ID: <39075.6e9b6484.38c05afa@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 19:38:18 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.194.159.247 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.136.208 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=eE-jrk1rAlEz3tSpiGT7mri9r3J5IqxwTeL_LeVtYfAl6fT6NrQdQgHXaGEJbDMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/3/2010 10:06:41 AM Central Standard Time, w6yn@juno.com writes: > Let us not turn this into a political rant session. > Nothing political. Politicians and bureacrats, bad as either might be, wasn't what killed AM radio. It wasn't the Left nor the Right, liberals or conservatives, not even Nancy Pelosi or Sarah Palin. It's not that simple. It was bad business practices, hemmoraging of talent mostly from self-inflicted wounds, greed, and evolving technology. If there was something people would turn into, AM would have evolved to the point it would be virtually indistinguishable from FM in terms of signal quality. It was approaching that two decades ago. Of course AM could never replicated the multipath distortion, signal dropout, or limited range of FM. Nothing is perfect I suppose. It's just a discussion about the radio business. I only wish the wows of radio could be cured with an election. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 03 20:13:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78517 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2010 04:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2010 04:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2010 04:12:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2010 04:06:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2010 04:06:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:06:45 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.53.80 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Earthquake in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=-jQfZFr_uV_rVLiV7jv2b3JscQWF1gYf45Y2TL1nUMPKdf2YBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Thank God we're alive and safe!!! God has been so good with us (if you could see my house in comparison to ot= hers here, in my city, you could understand my words). The earthquake, and the obvious tsunami, were... huge!!! Physical damages a= re... terrifying!!! But... thank God we are on the air, again, in AM, with full power!!! Miraculously, the 48 years old tower and the rest of the transmitting site = installations were protected by the God's hand and we are "on the air" from= the moment we got energy from the power lines (we were two days "out of th= e air" because we didn't have electricity in all our city). All the stations in my city are broadcasting "in chain" (all in one) becaus= e only one station had "good luck" with its studio site. All the others are= ... "in the ground" (including my station studio site). There still are a lot of "holes" in the chilean AM dial (only two or three = AM stations are "on the air", at this moment, on a 300 kms area around me, = most of them because a power lines problem). The average "connectivity" (physical and air) are... "good", partially usef= ul (roads, airport, cell phones, internet). The problem passed through us and was huge. But, now we need to rebuild, re= born, restart. We need help. We need your prayers. We need your "good vibra= tions". We need hope, faith, peace and love. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Wed Mar 03 20:22:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5674 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2010 04:22:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2010 04:22:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f46.google.com) (209.85.160.46) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2010 04:22:50 -0000 X-Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so1393426pwj.19 for ; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:22:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.115.132.6 with SMTP id j6mr5006096wan.180.1267676221157; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 20:17:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 13:17:01 +0900 Message-ID: <6e9df1071003032017l2014c005x6cc00c1b0029dd5c@mail.gmail.com> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} Earthquake in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=ZpDRIqSvLflEU6Z8WU2W9gMfCJ07EwvTD47zohMevkWGVTKW X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Its good to hear that you are well! Best of luck for the recovery. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:06 PM, jotape1960 wrote: > > > Hi Gang!!! > > Thank God we're alive and safe!!! > > God has been so good with us (if you could see my house in comparison to > others here, in my city, you could understand my words). > > The earthquake, and the obvious tsunami, were... huge!!! Physical damages > are... terrifying!!! > > But... thank God we are on the air, again, in AM, with full power!!! > > Miraculously, the 48 years old tower and the rest of the transmitting sit= e > installations were protected by the God's hand and we are "on the air" fr= om > the moment we got energy from the power lines (we were two days "out of t= he > air" because we didn't have electricity in all our city). > > All the stations in my city are broadcasting "in chain" (all in one) > because only one station had "good luck" with its studio site. All the > others are... "in the ground" (including my station studio site). > > There still are a lot of "holes" in the chilean AM dial (only two or thre= e > AM stations are "on the air", at this moment, on a 300 kms area around me= , > most of them because a power lines problem). > > The average "connectivity" (physical and air) are... "good", partially > useful (roads, airport, cell phones, internet). > > The problem passed through us and was huge. But, now we need to rebuild, > reborn, restart. We need help. We need your prayers. We need your "good > vibrations". We need hope, faith, peace and love. > > Thanks for your time!!! > > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! > > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love > >=20=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From gualdaj@bellsouth.net Wed Mar 03 20:30:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: gualdaj@bellsouth.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85741 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2010 04:29:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2010 04:29:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.205) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2010 04:29:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32553 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2010 04:29:57 -0000 X-Received: from your45c550f850 (gualdaj@99.14.189.232 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Mar 2010 20:29:57 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: FxNYbJGswBDVAQu.oTTWJ9lYIedZozs17K0_SM2MwtOS4g-- X-YMail-OSG: envarxcVM1koF7_Y57xqVwcaPlzndTKJyM.4OGdeJuGVg8gKZtEuIcuN7sziPl4AEi5AY08SDAUiDN7b.8SGKTinXZtfLmw31vf4_cWEqWczy2Sh_4n3mivnqntaz9Ac0iVG4b6qbxicSmcCmSdM34q5nxLOCJIVf71Vl0oRdi9VTroFDFFuR9NAqrpszJtdmiMiEgu4RYJFYF9zpbfx6USQwRMk8Mvgs.laH8mcL7WXzNuzrKpIPFHgvRHEpLpy32YOaSdtins7D9e48oRBXzvw7Psdjbu05Jl2EA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 23:29:54 -0500 Message-ID: <00c301cabb53$5756b3a0$06041ae0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Acq7UQyAhIES6eUrRlmTD039cv55SAAAfnJw Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: 68.142.198.205 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "J Gualda" Subject: RE: {AMSF} Earthquake in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=103495384; y=NOj19yVlnk7DcK22vT5_HiMDR0qsELHHaczNGGqqq68hpIs X-Yahoo-Profile: iowacane Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 Hi Gang!!! Thank God we're alive and safe!!! God has been so good with us (if you could see my house in comparison to others here, in my city, you could understand my words). The earthquake, and the obvious tsunami, were... huge!!! Physical damages are... terrifying!!! But... thank God we are on the air, again, in AM, with full power!!! Miraculously, the 48 years old tower and the rest of the transmitting site installations were protected by the God's hand and we are "on the air" from the moment we got energy from the power lines (we were two days "out of the air" because we didn't have electricity in all our city). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Juan, =20 So glad you are safe=85..And it is good to see that your radio station will help in the recovery of your Country. =20 God Bless you and yours=85=85. =20 =20 The other =93Juan=94 =20 Fort Pierce, FL =20 =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 03 23:24:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8203 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2010 07:24:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2010 07:24:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2010 07:24:08 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2010 07:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2010 07:21:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2010 07:21:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 07:21:50 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c301cabb53$5756b3a0$06041ae0$@net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.26.54.176 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Earthquake in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=C9w4ufIFSAgVNBJyWh4GstnPBXAz4p1QgIozD-lOJX0OWx9pS6nkCZqCJeL7KFIek6tRsBZe X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "J Gualda" wrote: > >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Hi Gang!!! >=20 > Thank God we're alive and safe!!! >=20 > God has been so good with us (if you could see my house in comparison to > others here, in my city, you could understand my words). >=20 > The earthquake, and the obvious tsunami, were... huge!!! Physical damages > are... terrifying!!! >=20 > But... thank God we are on the air, again, in AM, with full power!!! >=20 > Miraculously, the 48 years old tower and the rest of the transmitting sit= e > installations were protected by the God's hand and we are "on the air" fr= om > the moment we got energy from the power lines (we were two days "out of t= he > air" because we didn't have electricity in all our city). >=20 >=20 > GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! >=20 > Juan J. Paredes G. > From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Juan, >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > So glad you are safe=85..And it is good to see that your radio station wi= ll > help in the recovery of your Country. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > God Bless you and yours=85=85. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > The other "Juan" >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Fort Pierce, FL >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi All God bliss to you and yours to both Jauns. And god bliss to all poep= le in Chile and Hadi. Good luck and may your recovery be fast and well. Jim= Smith From kj4hyd@gmail.com Thu Mar 04 06:21:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18370 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2010 14:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2010 14:20:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f54.google.com) (74.125.83.54) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2010 14:20:58 -0000 X-Received: by mail-gw0-f54.google.com with SMTP id a20so1422894gwa.13 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:20:58 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.39.149 with SMTP id g21mr5702073qae.52.1267712455608; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:20:55 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm212186yxg.48.2010.03.04.06.20.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:20:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B8FC1C6.80409@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:20:54 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Earthquake in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=1WBAfekI9gIbpG4Gl1D-LZSJfuP9Ar9FztmptMP-1CMy9p9OpfnDj3GGCHu4Fg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 jotape1960 wrote: > Thank God we're alive and safe!!! > This is GREAT NEWS! We have all been worried and praying for you. I am glad you are safe. Don't worry, the Studio is just "Stuff". The main thing is you are alive and well. Bless you all, -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wa2fnq@optonline.net Thu Mar 04 09:44:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37641 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2010 17:27:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2010 17:27:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2010 17:26:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2010 17:16:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2010 17:16:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:16:44 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39075.6e9b6484.38c05afa@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: Re: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=iIGxcBT_L74GHPchIO9RJUDtdjIGQbabktGUPw5Brnh5 X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq Geeze yes. Can you guys get off the political crap which I thought was no l= onger allowed on this board. The sale of WNYG for $150,000 has nothing to do with politics. Multicultura= l has to get rid of WNYG because of their station on 1430. In addtion WNYG = has to be moved furthur east on Long Island because the patterns of the 2 s= tations overlap to a point where the FCC wont allow it (WNYG is 1 KW not 38= watts as someone stated). This increase in overlap is because 1430 recentl= y had to move their transmitter site. So while $150,000 sounds cheap start = adding up the costs of moving WNYG east to another site, re building, engin= eering surveys, etc. and the price tag goes up by quite a bit. You need to = look at all the facts. The real unfortunate part of all this is Babylon Lon= g Island has now lost yet another radio station. Years ago WADO on 1280 was= allowed to buy WGLI on 1290 and shut it down so they could increase power = and let out their pattern. While some may argue that it helps thin out an o= ver crowded AM band in WGLI's case it was the loss of a decent local statio= n for an adjacent channel, Spanish speaking station in NYC. At least WNYG m= ay get to stay on the air and someday some one might be able to do somethin= g decent with it. One can only hope. Jerry, WA2FNQ from Long Island Ex Chief Engineer WGLI --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/3/2010 10:06:41 AM Central Standard Time,=20 > w6yn@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Let us not turn this into a political rant session. > >=20 >=20 > Nothing political. Politicians and bureacrats, bad as either might be,=20 > wasn't what killed AM radio. It wasn't the Left nor the Right, liberals = or=20 > conservatives, not even Nancy Pelosi or Sarah Palin. It's not that simple= . It=20 > was bad business practices, hemmoraging of talent mostly from self-inflic= ted=20 > wounds, greed, and evolving technology. >=20 > If there was something people would turn into, AM would have evolved to t= he=20 > point it would be virtually indistinguishable from FM in terms of signal= =20 > quality. It was approaching that two decades ago. Of course AM could ne= ver=20 > replicated the multipath distortion, signal dropout, or limited range of = FM.=20=20 > Nothing is perfect I suppose. >=20 > It's just a discussion about the radio business. I only wish the wows of= =20 > radio could be cured with an election. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Thu Mar 04 11:53:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80770 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2010 19:22:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Mar 2010 19:22:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2010 19:22:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2010 19:22:09 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Mar 2010 19:22:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:22:07 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: Earthquake in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=TONtWfaVHcLseZ0NJnGNtGObu9efYxxsjIebGljmdo49xsxsS354fUo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Juan, glad to hear you are not injured in the catastrophe. Incredible destr= uction in your country and in Central America this year. I'm glad you're a= ble to link all stations together - that is good that people can get inform= ation about where to go for help, for food, for shelter and about the curfe= ws etc. Are you able to run full power day & night? I hope that our country will help your country as much as we have generousl= y given to the people of Haiti. God Bless, John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > Hi Gang!!! > Thank God we're alive and safe!!! From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Mar 04 19:21:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44471 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2010 01:36:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2010 01:36:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.163) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2010 01:36:24 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W24 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s24.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:36:02 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 01:36:02 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: References: <39075.6e9b6484.38c05afa@aol.com>, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2010 01:36:02.0799 (UTC) FILETIME=[375997F0:01CABC04] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.163 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: FW: {AMSF} Re: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=BeUp5x6mAUpBIml6WMkAWR0nSvJ-MNClb5HmjRTVWkMqA9xMSTIuetx9JGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amen!, Jerry. =20 Thanks for the "rest of the story" (as the late Paul Harvey would say). =20 It's always good to get the facts. =20 Very interesting. =20 Donn st. petersburg,fl (across the state from the "other Juan") =20 From: wa2fnq@optonline.net Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:16:44 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) =20=20 Geeze yes. Can you guys get off the political crap which I thought was no l= onger allowed on this board. The sale of WNYG for $150,000 has nothing to do with politics. Multicultura= l has to get rid of WNYG because of their station on 1430. In addtion WNYG = has to be moved furthur east on Long Island because the patterns of the 2 s= tations overlap to a point where the FCC wont allow it (WNYG is 1 KW not 38= watts as someone stated). This increase in overlap is because 1430 recentl= y had to move their transmitter site. So while $150,000 sounds cheap start = adding up the costs of moving WNYG east to another site, re building, engin= eering surveys, etc. and the price tag goes up by quite a bit. You need to = look at all the facts. The real unfortunate part of all this is Babylon Lon= g Island has now lost yet another radio station. Years ago WADO on 1280 was= allowed to buy WGLI on 1290 and shut it down so they could increase power = and let out their pattern. While some may argue that it helps thin out an o= ver crowded AM band in WGLI's case it was the loss of a decent local statio= n for an adjacent channel, Spanish speaking station in NYC. At least WNYG m= ay get to stay on the air and someday some one might be able to do somethin= g decent with it. One can only hope. Jerry, WA2FNQ from Long Island Ex Chief Engineer WGLI --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/3/2010 10:06:41 AM Central Standard Time,=20 > w6yn@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > Let us not turn this into a political rant session. > >=20 >=20 > Nothing political. Politicians and bureacrats, bad as either might be,=20 > wasn't what killed AM radio. It wasn't the Left nor the Right, liberals o= r=20 > conservatives, not even Nancy Pelosi or Sarah Palin. It's not that simple= . It=20 > was bad business practices, hemmoraging of talent mostly from self-inflic= ted=20 > wounds, greed, and evolving technology. >=20 > If there was something people would turn into, AM would have evolved to t= he=20 > point it would be virtually indistinguishable from FM in terms of signal= =20 > quality. It was approaching that two decades ago. Of course AM could neve= r=20 > replicated the multipath distortion, signal dropout, or limited range of = FM.=20 > Nothing is perfect I suppose. >=20 > It's just a discussion about the radio business. I only wish the wows of= =20 > radio could be cured with an election. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From florida_amstereo@hotmail.com Thu Mar 04 19:29:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69962 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2010 01:42:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2010 01:42:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO blu0-omc4-s20.blu0.hotmail.com) (65.55.111.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2010 01:42:30 -0000 X-Received: from BLU108-W24 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s20.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:42:29 -0800 Message-ID: Return-Path: florida_amstereo@hotmail.com To: am stereo Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 01:42:29 +0000 Importance: High In-Reply-To: References: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2010 01:42:29.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E02D180:01CABC05] X-Originating-IP: 65.55.111.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Donn Tillman Subject: RE: {AMSF} Re: Earthquake in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=83914824; y=ZfFZ40jCA14GMXW-IKZt9pBfpBthrWkv6JCKnerxVFqQTeMGKtYuwmuva9E X-Yahoo-Profile: florida_amsstereo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan, =20 So glad to hear you and your family are safe and sound. =20 It's a good thing that Chile is advanced and forward thinking enough to hav= e such strict building codes; otherwise the situation could have been much = more devastating..... not to minimize the death and destruction that did oc= cur. =20 God Bless. =20 Donn, St. Petersburg,FL =20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com From: toledohamradio@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:22:07 +0000 Subject: {AMSF} Re: Earthquake in Chile =20=20 Juan, glad to hear you are not injured in the catastrophe. Incredible destr= uction in your country and in Central America this year. I'm glad you're ab= le to link all stations together - that is good that people can get informa= tion about where to go for help, for food, for shelter and about the curfew= s etc. Are you able to run full power day & night? I hope that our country will help your country as much as we have generousl= y given to the people of Haiti. God Bless, John --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > Hi Gang!!! > Thank God we're alive and safe!!! =20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Thu Mar 04 21:53:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43033 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2010 03:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2010 03:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2010 03:24:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2010 03:18:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2010 03:18:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:18:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.54.201 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Earthquake in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=p4K-G2VHcq_wX1JgX0kiioTexXdIDGlCy8b06MzJ2rI3yPhylA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thank you so much, to all of you, for your words of hope!!!!!!! Slowly... we're starting to return to the "normal" state. Not full power at all, because we don't get a full power line service (190-= 200 volts only, not the standard 230 and I will have to repair the voltage = stabilizer because something is wrong on it). But it is a full blessing we = have some electric power here. If you could see some lines, in and out of t= he cities, you could understand my words. Of course, the important thing is the life and security of the people and I= have to say all the government services and other not government instituti= ons are working so well about it, even the fact we have a lot of physical c= onnectivity problems (more than 5 main highways and 25 bridges full destroy= ed, 10 useless hospitals, a lot of useless airports, the navy main harbour = seriously damaged, etc. etc. etc.). Now, around the 60% of the affected cities have electric power and clean wa= ter. I think around the 30% of the cell phones coverage are OK, again. I st= ill miss some AM stations on the air and I don't know about their installat= ions. The rebuild job will be... long and huge, but... I know God will help us an= d I know you will help us too, with your prayers and good vibrations. Thank you so much for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > Juan, glad to hear you are not injured in the catastrophe. Incredible des= truction in your country and in Central America this year. I'm glad you're= able to link all stations together - that is good that people can get info= rmation about where to go for help, for food, for shelter and about the cur= fews etc. Are you able to run full power day & night? >=20 > I hope that our country will help your country as much as we have generou= sly given to the people of Haiti. > God Bless, > John >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jotape1960" wrote: > > Hi Gang!!! > > Thank God we're alive and safe!!! > From wa2fnq@optonline.net Fri Mar 05 10:09:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wa2fnq@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9323 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2010 18:08:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2010 18:08:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2010 18:08:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2010 18:02:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2010 18:02:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:01:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 24.46.217.195 From: "wa2fnq" Subject: FW: {AMSF} Re: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60059615; y=c1tPQc8-onIYhKsGvrVgdre7gFJz069GQYAqduNzDQPh X-Yahoo-Profile: wa2fnq No problem. It just myself and more so my friends have been personally invo= lved with these stations.=20 Jerry WA2FNQ =20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Donn Tillman w= rote: > >=20 > Amen!, Jerry. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Thanks for the "rest of the story" (as the late Paul Harvey would say). >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > It's always good to get the facts. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Very interesting. >=20 >=20=20 >=20 > Donn >=20 > st. petersburg,fl >=20 > (across the state from the "other Juan") >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: wa2fnq@... > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:16:44 +0000 > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Long Island AM WNYG (1440) >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Geeze yes. Can you guys get off the political crap which I thought was no= longer allowed on this board. >=20 > The sale of WNYG for $150,000 has nothing to do with politics. Multicultu= ral has to get rid of WNYG because of their station on 1430. In addtion WNY= G has to be moved furthur east on Long Island because the patterns of the 2= stations overlap to a point where the FCC wont allow it (WNYG is 1 KW not = 38 watts as someone stated). This increase in overlap is because 1430 recen= tly had to move their transmitter site. So while $150,000 sounds cheap star= t adding up the costs of moving WNYG east to another site, re building, eng= ineering surveys, etc. and the price tag goes up by quite a bit. You need t= o look at all the facts. The real unfortunate part of all this is Babylon L= ong Island has now lost yet another radio station. Years ago WADO on 1280 w= as allowed to buy WGLI on 1290 and shut it down so they could increase powe= r and let out their pattern. While some may argue that it helps thin out an= over crowded AM band in WGLI's case it was the loss of a decent local stat= ion for an adjacent channel, Spanish speaking station in NYC. At least WNYG= may get to stay on the air and someday some one might be able to do someth= ing decent with it. One can only hope. >=20 > Jerry, WA2FNQ from Long Island > Ex Chief Engineer WGLI >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@ wrote: > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2010 10:06:41 AM Central Standard Time,=20 > > w6yn@ writes: > >=20 > >=20 > > > Let us not turn this into a political rant session. > > >=20 > >=20 > > Nothing political. Politicians and bureacrats, bad as either might be,= =20 > > wasn't what killed AM radio. It wasn't the Left nor the Right, liberals= or=20 > > conservatives, not even Nancy Pelosi or Sarah Palin. It's not that simp= le. It=20 > > was bad business practices, hemmoraging of talent mostly from self-infl= icted=20 > > wounds, greed, and evolving technology. > >=20 > > If there was something people would turn into, AM would have evolved to= the=20 > > point it would be virtually indistinguishable from FM in terms of signa= l=20 > > quality. It was approaching that two decades ago. Of course AM could ne= ver=20 > > replicated the multipath distortion, signal dropout, or limited range o= f FM.=20 > > Nothing is perfect I suppose. > >=20 > > It's just a discussion about the radio business. I only wish the wows o= f=20 > > radio could be cured with an election. > >=20 > > Mike > >=20 > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=09=09=20=09=20=20=20=09=09=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From alfredo_t74@hotmail.com Fri Mar 05 13:16:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: alfredo_t74@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26666 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2010 21:16:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2010 21:16:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2010 21:16:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2010 21:11:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2010 21:11:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:10:59 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 12.168.224.50 From: "AlfredoT" Subject: Re: Earthquake in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157712369; y=7hZojllUpo1HXKYfH2G2qGcagIKf82uEHt_X0Mxew6vPD0hu52VfDt77 X-Yahoo-Profile: alfredotorrejon It is good to hear that you weren't hurt. I have some relatives in Chile w= ho, to the best of my knowledge, escaped injury. I'm also glad to hear tha= t your tower survived all that shaking! --Alfredo From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 05 14:31:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70554 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2010 22:31:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2010 22:31:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2010 22:31:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2010 22:31:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2010 22:31:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:31:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.57.226 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: Earthquake in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=OT5xx5c1wHScifLhC2RbRw3mNh2DdKeFww8EnMdO5NJJz8y_KA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Thanks for your words!!! Glad to hear about your relatives!!! We have to re-evaluate our original tower plan. I'm not sure if we can make= , today, a tower which assure us another 48 years with, at least, 3 major e= arthquakes into the period. It's like as my grandfather build the things wi= th the great old men mind: "for ever". I added a new photo album, called "Earthquake in Chile" with part of my sta= tion state. 3 photos from the disaster and 3 from the new (temporary) studi= o site. I didn't post photos from the transmitting site because, I repeat, = thank God we don't have any important thing to report. The only one "injury= " was the front plastic glass of the McMartin BA-2.5K TX: it fell on the fl= oor, but it is intact. No any noticeable variation about SWR and/or final RF power (thinking on th= e power line variations). Best of all, the people starts to recover the calm and hope, even the fact = there are a lot of families without houses (they are sleep in tents, most o= f them in hills, far from the seashore line). According to the official statistical, we need around 30,000 full new house= s plus 8 new hospitals and a lot of clean water and roads reparations. So, you can see it wasn't a "mock attack". It was real, huge and crude. But God will help us. Chilean people is strong and united in those cases. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "AlfredoT" wrote: > > It is good to hear that you weren't hurt. I have some relatives in Chile= who, to the best of my knowledge, escaped injury. I'm also glad to hear t= hat your tower survived all that shaking! >=20 > --Alfredo > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Mar 06 17:34:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33712 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2010 01:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2010 01:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2010 01:33:59 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.216] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100306193332002577200010.0) with SMTP id <20100306193332002577200010> for ; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:33:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00e301cabd96$f9aba440$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:33:32 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Earthquake in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=4tgbIB0ftcvC-TJv59-52nFH8WfnxfXNC67rHyZqhanb6fRJImgG X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Juan, If it might make a suggestion- create for yourself a page on Facebook, take some pictures of the devastation you've been describing, and post them there if you have a digital camera. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:53 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Earthquake in Chile Not full power at all, because we don't get a full power line service (190-200 volts only, not the standard 230 and I will have to repair the voltage stabilizer because something is wrong on it). But it is a full blessing we have some electric power here. If you could see some lines, in and out of the cities, you could understand my words. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Sat Mar 06 18:10:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49607 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2010 02:10:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2010 02:10:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2010 02:10:09 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.216] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100306200935000110700010.0) with SMTP id <20100306200935000110700010> for ; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:09:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <017e01cabd9c$0329cf60$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <4B8FC1C6.80409@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:09:35 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Earthquake in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=QPcho0ZOEqIku5pJ99VujOrN_N1_UmMKc6uyG5-ZUorAxht6o2Km X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Too bad it's so expensive to ship anything from here to Chile. I have an old Gates Studioette-80 (mono, unfortunately) which I'd be willing to let you have. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:21 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Earthquake in Chile jotape1960 wrote: > Thank God we're alive and safe!!! > This is GREAT NEWS! We have all been worried and praying for you. I am glad you are safe. Don't worry, the Studio is just "Stuff". The main thing is you are alive and well. Bless you all, -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sat Mar 06 20:51:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15080 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2010 04:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Mar 2010 04:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2010 04:51:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2010 04:43:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Mar 2010 04:43:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:43:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <017e01cabd9c$0329cf60$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.49.2 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Earthquake in Chile X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=iT0kZAtdZFynLvmcipXNcb0DZ3qO0eOWtdtVhMXBpECRxhZvfw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi!!! I really appreciate all your good words and intentions but, thank God, we a= re so fine (in comparison with others). We don't have equipment and/or musi= c sources problems. The only one problem was the house where the studio was= . God was so good with us. Of course, I guess the chilean radio stations will ask some extra help from= the local government and, sooner or later, it will be something related wi= th easy and long credits from USA banks. But the first thing is the people,= their life and safety and health. We are in this first step now, slowly bu= t steady. You can find a lot of pictures and videos of the earthquake at: http://www.terra.cl http://www.emol.cl http://www.lun.cl Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Too bad it's so expensive to ship anything from here to Chile. I have an= old Gates Studioette-80 (mono, unfortunately) which I'd be willing to let = you have. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: kj4hyd=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} Earthquake in Chile >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > jotape1960 wrote: > > Thank God we're alive and safe!!! > >=20 >=20 > This is GREAT NEWS! We have all been worried and praying for you. >=20 > I am glad you are safe. Don't worry, the Studio is just "Stuff". The=20 > main thing is you are alive and well. >=20 > Bless you all, >=20 > --=20 > 73, > Kevin Raper > KJ4HYD > CE WCKI WQIZ >=20 > There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical= standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamil= y.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Mar 07 16:56:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45536 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2010 00:56:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2010 00:56:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2010 00:55:56 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 4869 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2010 00:55:53 -0000 Message-ID: <152711.4151.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: lPqiogwVM1n9ed.B8XDRHkT4n9UifY0M2Owcpg_RFhQt8U5Nm0k73HJVVqn3h2RWhZOyofu8shX0jXCV3y16rs.8St.5N7b9ZolV_Zt3JvWX53TyNRPZYE2etTV2HCM8hHHcOyh4efLdmR0PAqWfBE5YcDVBgOuKNy3fbWzHpyfk4yBpjFsySa38Ju.purE1wOoCtGTDLJepEFIFs2be5EepbxM3aUos_.O0Ep2IWKn70lElp8rNi2EEGmcaDHRaFKu8.J0YrnjtYcXQhdhhV6MbsXs39nq_w6No9sNn11WQeoDt.TVAdf8jPd2PIg-- X-Received: from [72.70.16.186] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:55:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:55:53 -0800 (PST) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Aspisys 100 watt transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=kOv0NDZtDlyeWU5ki2a9dI9YFkg1xkNfZsu89g1VET7gL8ychz41 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know its power level is too low to be used in the U.S. as a main transmit= ter but it could be used for a backup.=A0 Is it F.C.C. certified? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Mar 07 21:33:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88478 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2010 05:33:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2010 05:33:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.79) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2010 05:33:29 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78986 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2010 05:26:31 -0000 Message-ID: <854318.78108.qm@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: cgv4Y5kVM1my8wJWPyg_PUOZ3jLtyMINg7I7OsPJGuSvueD Xs__aKhSuyQiMBWR4ZMle4LxrNZa0Z49mj8fe35VX63.0FtNTUZZF4qCijzG nqP1ORdBTDI9A_iNspRy37tmeZ_OnaVYEo4AUxqJiYzMxsLJREUEoHyUu_1g 8FFgAvvLX5DtVYiFlu7eXBmpZG_tS61E176AJnv2Y_suR0SUwfc6X_dFKWPB npbU2vjpHCLsvdl9.BFvaFIJVsicaMQntGG4NauyZ0iXNUI7PY9utCQp5SQC HftHLct4E7iDQ4lZcQj5O_sj1hhJ7LbEHt3Bg2MlAFzBjB3d5GErG7Jgm0cK 1Lb9W X-Received: from [209.213.19.8] by web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:26:31 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/300.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <152711.4151.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 21:26:31 -0800 (PST) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <152711.4151.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=2_7C38TdzQEv-aMyXwsf1N3ZeAl6_gv5t3GZRhvI32Y X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Transmitters 250 watts and under do not have to be type accepted. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: JNR I know its power level is too low to be used in the U.S. as a main transmitter but it could be used for a backup. Is it F.C.C. certified? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Mar 07 22:55:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33820 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2010 06:55:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2010 06:55:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2010 06:55:45 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o286tAlb015586 for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 01:55:10 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.cd9.676fc96d (37183) for ; Mon, 8 Mar 2010 01:55:05 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-d16.mail.aol.com (magic-d16.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.132]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA055-913f4b949f49346; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 01:55:05 -0500 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 01:55:05 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.194.159.247 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.132 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=8cpqBs59OPtdDDBKke2nonwVCXkY8ltUhJnZ-3CMoecrmbD2YQ_LDnvC8jWDQfJ3 X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/7/2010 6:56:18 PM Central Standard Time, a1asurfradio@yahoo.com writes: > I know its power level is too low to be used in the U.S. as a main > transmitter but it could be used for a backup. Is it F.C.C. certified? > We broached the issue of FCC Type Acceptance, Type Approved, and Certified before in regards to Oklahoma guy's 25 watt unit. At one time, I could tell you what these terms meant and what was required. However, beginning with Reagan's deregulation, Part 73 was essentially gutted. No politics, just a fact. Aspisys skirts Part 15 because I believe they are offshore. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 08 07:15:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25141 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2010 15:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2010 15:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2010 15:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2010 15:11:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2010 15:11:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2010 15:11:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:11:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <854318.78108.qm@web112012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.50.51.130 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=TmkWdFQPt2oUFZ0EB_hKwbN9Ools8OZUn3DWWN62KqE1Xjnb9g X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Is there some 250 Wts AM TX model from some USA manufacturer? Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > Transmitters 250 watts and under do not have to be type accepted.=20=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: JNR >=20 >=20 > I know its power level is too low to be used in the U.S. as a main transm= itter but it could be used for a backup. Is it F.C.C. certified? >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Mar 08 09:07:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52814 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2010 17:07:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2010 17:07:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2010 17:07:23 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.23] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100308110645001352500010.0) with SMTP id <20100308110645001352500010> for ; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:06:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002201cabee2$86322500$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:06:45 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=QrBqugPh16cTQtaJvSBuXjeIgmOz3oakdoQbkjpkK_ipzVuKkUW2 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think 500W or 1kW is the smallest made in the US now. Not enough profit margin for 250W and less. Solid state transmitters can work over a much wider power range than the older tube units. If necessary, sometimes power modules can be omitted for lower power levels. And since I suspect you were asking about stereo transmitters, I don't think BE still makes an external stereo generator, but they might still have the internal card as an option for their other ones. And if they don't, all is not lost. Mike's suggestion, made many moons ago, that the IBOC generator could be reprogrammed to create CQUAM instead. Proving it meets FCC specs should be quite easy by just doing the usual required annual spectrum proof. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:15 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter Is there some 250 Wts AM TX model from some USA manufacturer? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Mar 08 09:10:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9573 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2010 17:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2010 17:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2010 17:10:47 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.16.23] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100308111028001793900010.0) with SMTP id <20100308111028001793900010> for ; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:10:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <003601cabee3$0b573a40$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <152711.4151.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 11:10:28 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=jDUfPt9LNGgUzEV2VxrepZRHonZeTKmYSN7Olm9HuJ24UaZKPyGZ X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would be OK to use as a backup and as a low power night transmitter for a class D AM that has limited night authorization. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: AMSF Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:56 PM Subject: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter I know its power level is too low to be used in the U.S. as a main transmitter but it could be used for a backup. Is it F.C.C. certified? 73, --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html --- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wnmb@sc.rr.com Mon Mar 08 15:20:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22171 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2010 23:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2010 23:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2010 23:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2010 23:20:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2010 23:20:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:20:27 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.61.65.202 From: "wnmb900" Subject: web address for am stereo streaming feed from WNMB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=X3FLo0trvlJvrzGQXH5dHVUMjz6hp-Qinhvud8pgu01qvw X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 http://www.wnmb900.com From wnmb@sc.rr.com Mon Mar 08 15:23:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wnmb@sc.rr.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35140 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2010 23:23:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2010 23:23:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2010 23:23:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2010 23:17:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2010 23:17:40 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:17:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.61.65.202 From: "wnmb900" Subject: Real AM Stereo feed on air now at WNMB Streaming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189323592; y=A3bdYTSEBp2XWAe62W6iHLquLX_Yy8HmbtPacYWIe_KZhg X-Yahoo-Profile: wnmb900 Just to let you know, we are in the process of moving back to our original = and refurbished studios. In an interim situation to keep the stream going w= hile equipment is relocated, the stream is actually being fed from a Sony S= RF-A100 portable radio. This will continue until early Wednesday, March 10.= In addition, the radio is located about a dozen miles from the transmitter= and antenna.=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Mar 08 18:48:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82472 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2010 02:48:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Mar 2010 02:48:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f178.google.com) (209.85.210.178) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2010 02:48:38 -0000 X-Received: by yxe8 with SMTP id 8so1571660yxe.30 for ; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:48:38 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.150.81.5 with SMTP id e5mr38075ybb.158.1268102918211; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:48:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] (75-138-48-110.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com [75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm2030636ywi.51.2010.03.08.18.48.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:48:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B95B709.50608@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:48:41 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Real AM Stereo feed on air now at WNMB Streaming X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=YbNt9TyVIr6ejf9k424Qd-qANQLdSoDvyyWhxg0DQeThxbT3pu0wgSBcddx4Jg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 wnmb900 wrote: > the stream is actually being fed from a Sony SRF-A100 portable radio. It sounds GREAT! I would leave it alone even after you get into your new digs. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 14:55:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4925 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2010 22:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2010 22:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2010 22:55:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2010 22:52:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2010 22:52:55 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:52:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.52.244 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Satellite AM Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=jX6g0NtAvvMUlXBNl7wuJENCT6M34BcbBKE8qxYmZJqa2ehiuA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! Excuse my ignorance (you know I'm from Chile), but I wonder if there is/are= satellite station(s) working in analog AM, mono or stereo. If it is "yes", Is it an expensive service? I'm thinking about the last earthquake in CHile and I'm looking for ways to= avoid the last almost full chilean AM station blackout. Thanks for your time!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Mar 10 17:08:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2629 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2010 01:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2010 01:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.41) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2010 01:08:26 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o2B18KH4016062 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:08:20 -0500 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c42.6239e61b (34943) for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:08:14 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from magic-d24.mail.aol.com (magic-d24.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.158]) by cia-da05.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA054-887f4b98427e2c8; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:08:14 -0500 Message-ID: <3c90e.4ad343ec.38c99c7e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:08:14 EST To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.194.159.247 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.158 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Satellite AM Stations X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=u-Wxl9a8QRoaLZ2zaYtsGLxus_H1MIV1vTB0xQ-vAH4cYMvO-D5b1lJGiw3Bhdl- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All satellites I know of use digital encoding on a multiplex microwave carrier. I assume you mean satellite receivers like Sirius or XM. The question is whether they had a transponder with a footprint covering your area. All commercial communications satellites are parked in synchronous equatorial orbit. Sirius has a wide variety of offerrings from what passes for adult comptempory nowadays to rebroadcasts of Top 40 AM stations from the past. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 12 17:46:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38886 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2010 01:46:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Mar 2010 01:46:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2010 01:46:48 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.41] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100312194559002288100011.0) with SMTP id <20100312194559002288100011> for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:45:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <015301cac24f$bf1c7a80$d503fea9@stodd> To: X-Source-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:51:45 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:45:59 -0600 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: semi-OT: FCC Commissioners Technical Resource Act X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=lu42TagQ7bLShHGol2XIO_N9OBeZyxKQ3cQHycBnfG8dDAt91sRj X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A lot of us have complained the FCC no longer has much technical expertise on its staff, unlike years ago. There is some pending legislation to reverse that. Here is a link to an SBE page describing it and what you can do to take action: http://campaign.constantcontact.com/render?v=001Uw9QefivccLK9XVMD2gFHCXh-Ha4OPYkZ3WQcyTqWtRyon5a_3_NUTzYMPG0G-YnvW53WYkdbZGfR-Kif2Q4WAsaM7XMOTGR7HRhI94ItGCERyYu_NrnKII208ontAxjulx2eZfPCVr2ccSVg9EeaeKHjyfNQpOt Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Mar 14 21:42:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96985 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2010 04:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2010 04:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2010 04:42:53 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o2F4gUv3007185 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:42:30 -0400 X-Received: from jmrouse@mail.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c61.6351fb59 (55717) for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:42:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.168]) by cia-md01.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD018-b2314b9dbaada0; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:42:25 -0500 X-Received: from web-mmc-m10 (web-mmc-m10.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.143]) by smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE016-b2314b9dbaada0; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:42:21 -0500 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:42:21 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 65.204.116.99 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 30746-STANDARD X-Received: from 65.204.116.99 by web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.143) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:42:21 -0400 Message-Id: <8CC921109148F58-7B8-9BC9@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: jmrouse@mail.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=HRmwOdGx_8x9oXQkKm6kSWeUJP8paTrKxthb9jIPV8XY4VFUz51n X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Guys, Been away for a while, so please forgive me if I respond to old posts or qu= estions covered previously. Juan, I don't know the answer to your question. I just want to offer my co= ndolences to your and to your countrymen. I hope your family was spared an= y harm and I hope the rebuilding effort goes well. God bless you all, too. Radioguy50c5 -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:11 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter Is there some 250 Wts AM TX model from some USA manufacturer? uan J. Paredes G. rom Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: Transmitters 250 watts and under do not have to be type accepted.=20=20 =20 Powell =20 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net =20 =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ From: JNR =20 =20 I know its power level is too low to be used in the U.S. as a main transmi= tter=20 ut it could be used for a backup. Is it F.C.C. certified? =20 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 =20 =20 =20 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20 =20 =20 ------------------------------------ =20 Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links =20 =20 =20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------- Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: ttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jmrouse@mail.com Sun Mar 14 22:15:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jmrouse@mail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76658 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2010 05:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2010 05:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2010 05:15:21 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o2F5FK3w001631 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:15:20 -0400 X-Received: from jmrouse@mail.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.bd0.71652218 (43988) for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:15:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.104]) by cia-dd05.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD055-b30f4b9dc2632c2; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:15:15 -0500 X-Received: from web-mmc-m10 (web-mmc-m10.sim.aol.com [64.12.224.143]) by smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME037-b30f4b9dc2632c2; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:15:15 -0500 References: <015301cac24f$bf1c7a80$d503fea9@stodd> To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:15:15 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 65.204.116.99 In-Reply-To: <015301cac24f$bf1c7a80$d503fea9@stodd> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: Mail.com Webmail 30746-STANDARD X-Received: from 65.204.116.99 by web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com (64.12.224.143) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:15:15 -0400 Message-Id: <8CC9215A177B848-7B8-9C69@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: jmrouse@mail.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: jmrouse@mail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} semi-OT: FCC Commissioners Technical Resource Act X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=303182910; y=9WRGa6AoXsXk12cDlF3Ym24VP60iBUnkMDdk-nNgRKkDGPTGFrcC X-Yahoo-Profile: radioguy50c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad to hear it. Their lack of competence extends beyond AM HD, & beyond to many channels fighting to be heard. My home is a literal RF nightmare. My son's pc power supply created so much interference that I could take a portable radio & pick it up 4 houses away. My wife bought a new coffee maker with a digital clock & timer. That thing just about eradicates the FM band in all adjoining rooms. The only remedy is to pull the plug out and render the feature usless. Of course AM is being clobbered by all the usual suspects, (XBox, Playstation pc etc). The greatest offender however, is one that I don't know if there is anything I can do about. The electric company. Ever since they installed those digital transmitters so they can get the reading without getting out of the car, the interference has been nothing short of horrendous. It even caused significant analog TV interference (back when we were using it). I was always under the understanding that it was the job of the FCC to assure that a radiating device would only interfere within reasonable limits. This is not being done. It would be nice to have someone who knew what they were doing & used it to serve the public. Thanks for letting me vent. I needed that. Joe R. -----Original Message----- From: scottn0bst@usfamily.net To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, Mar 12, 2010 8:45 pm Subject: {AMSF} semi-OT: FCC Commissioners Technical Resource Act A lot of us have complained the FCC no longer has much technical expertise on ts staff, unlike years ago. There is some pending legislation to reverse that. ere is a link to an SBE page describing it and what you can do to take action: http://campaign.constantcontact.com/render?v=001Uw9QefivccLK9XVMD2gFHCXh-Ha4OPYkZ3WQcyTqWtRyon5a_3_NUTzYMPG0G-YnvW53WYkdbZGfR-Kif2Q4WAsaM7XMOTGR7HRhI94ItGCERyYu_NrnKII208ontAxjulx2eZfPCVr2ccSVg9EeaeKHjyfNQpOt Scott Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: ttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 08:34:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16922 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2010 15:34:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2010 15:34:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2010 15:34:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 25888 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2010 15:34:00 -0000 Message-ID: <748431.24658.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Qr418q0VM1mK.BNtPTMOhDC7N_C0Hnc0Du2jZjWNoy9JhZ1tFMfIONnCAuv49qEmfIQJikXBPuFkRoeMcTxExwoEKyvQitEd05uFhMPjU_Fc6j7WuNyl1ImGyI_BHccWHVRNTddwTcr71kpC2bsRQYQEY0A79ZR898rHrbJjVTRQxBwGQuFqEqXP58PMRli9XJrEHPyrox9weqcxQCIqbFRgg72t3fmfLSFGaMQHpOxtvcNO6PPFcdauA2mghavAcrpr7KWvecwU_ITiy8fqACupIzgr5EGCiHiuyuevfIdENxbH.xdeJsZHYban8RM1SUf4MKyg3_8DKMu7YKbnP0c- X-Received: from [74.97.130.71] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:34:00 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:34:00 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=Mm-FZwWwf3msOoVg1n_Gdch2Ma4tyuLGojvOyjAhDqJdREtEcOhp X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes there is.=C2=A0 Energy-Onix makes 250Watt, 500Watt & 1kW Pulsar models.= =C2=A0 www.energy-onix.com.=C2=A0 I believe they use 120 volts/60cy. power.= =C2=A0 I am not sure what your line current is in Chile. 73, Jay, N1WVQ --- On Mon, 3/8/10, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:11 AM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Is there some 250 Wts AM TX model from some USA manufacturer? Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "Powell E. Way III" wro= te: > > Transmitters 250 watts and under do not have to be type accepted.=20=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: JNR >=20 >=20 > I know its power level is too low to be used in the U.S. as a main transm= itter but it could be used for a backup. Is it F.C.C. certified? >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 08:47:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92422 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2010 15:46:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2010 15:46:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.229) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2010 15:46:47 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 32376 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2010 15:46:46 -0000 Message-ID: <719202.29643.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8e7.kQ8VM1lHAY_C8kGG8zTGHFPCe4sX2Oq9ByyQKZBF.dayJVfj_ZI6OkZlvT6qJevVRW5I2hQQluNJhpU4_rDwl41_uvr8zQo5i3_vY3J4sZ1V7SSbxM6Eb5ADFRRvPQ1uHwpZaQmTJlmF96D62vGQ2qb6Qb5S9eSKBUpoRXSqQbyY1iLPo6kwsohqzmAoiK67Dn32IrxJmG5LntcYxFqEGaIMLuyrfT0r0XD59dyOmM7AEhPOhZpzinIYc_TtoSAEyi9n7Y9P9GY4wWx3tW.Ttul3.XTV30MIPqcLUrUh5gAJqbLp__k960b8hbBwEAQXGsjBcBEwCBuDpCGPrW4- X-Received: from [74.97.130.71] by web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:46:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:46:46 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <748431.24658.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: CORRECTION on Energy-Onix X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=ljYaPrCTXjYkhyjmelV9gmVt6R-Cmgwcv1o8sxqwCyFYNXpUswuN X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The B models are 100-130V 50/60cy.=C2=A0 The regular models are 198-252V, 5= 0/60cy..=C2=A0 Both are single phase. --- On Mon, 3/15/10, JNR wrote: From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 11:34 AM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Yes there is.=C2=A0 Energy-Onix makes 250Watt, 500Watt & 1kW Pulsar m= odels.=C2=A0 www.energy-onix. com.=C2=A0 I believe they use 120 volts/60cy.= power.=C2=A0 I am not sure what your line current is in Chile. 73, Jay, N1WVQ --- On Mon, 3/8/10, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:11 AM =C2=A0 Is there some 250 Wts AM TX model from some USA manufacturer? Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "Powell E. Way III" wro= te: > > Transmitters 250 watts and under do not have to be type accepted.=20=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: JNR >=20 >=20 > I know its power level is too low to be used in the U.S. as a main transm= itter but it could be used for a backup. Is it F.C.C. certified? >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Mar 15 10:04:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55451 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2010 17:03:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2010 17:03:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2010 17:03:57 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail10.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.150]) by smtpout02.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABF364B8AJGZ6ZS for (sender ); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:02:54 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdDxvfegX7ivvpQIMxy07jM9s= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail10.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P833GZEV; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:02:29 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.27.16] by webmail10.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:01:57 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:01:57 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100315.100157.3992.3@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 690 X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2591255425 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.150|webmail10.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: NPR pressing engineers for cuts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=DC1GlIUQLtTzep3SAXDNgu7GP5nZQ9mX99TBhLHPNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn Broadcast technical professionals at National Public Radio (NPR) are victim= s of NPR=92s demands for more givebacks, a wage freeze, elimination of more= than half the bargaining unit jobs, removal of bargaining rights over bene= fit plans, and cutting retirement plan contributions in half. The 65 members of NABET-CWA (National Association of Broadcast Employees an= d Technicians - Communications Workers of America) each took wage and benef= its cuts of $17,000 in crisis bargaining to help NPR during the uncertain e= conomic days last spring at the depths of the Great Recession.=20=20 Now, in bargaining for a new contract, NPR is demanding further concessions= and givebacks.=20 From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 11:47:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87204 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2010 18:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2010 18:47:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.238) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2010 18:47:50 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24715 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2010 18:47:37 -0000 Message-ID: <734423.24218.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: eniHUFUVM1mENB_JrU73k7YNydz7vRtmbtTEgot2wTSVOkd F29AkkEpyaHWwKn__z8UWMoJaTyrA_lv5XdYF.dr.Dv.oR8YbPF.hrne9QFX Wo4bg1FxvShO2cUMHOPfzm6T1sJAXSExSYETTSp0ZdU.ie6M4.93.eIKDFks 7PbD4AsbfrWAFyNO.nTrGQq60QFAifiDpMRN0dUWZQ3AcErCWgCeEywrnH91 .CBqURJVNAYyfdG_.d0XQFmngLg9FZHANdaG8ZPShDBaJ6icZD3U4dr_nytV pprUQW7CHGWbZv1UorZpeoimPj4Z6__LO4fCqstVnygNlt5AWsjyf14IX6FG GAQ5sUAxl9i5fnr9qcoL6NP6wMw-- X-Received: from [200.50.49.72] by web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:47:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:47:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8CC921109148F58-7B8-9BC9@web-mmc-m10.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.238 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jota Pe Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=X2cpKbEfk4d0JwNdZMlYBPzIWVRpBEIn1YdAe5T3yIeCL8DWDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi!!! =A0 Thanks for your words. I really appreciate your wishes for us. =A0 Please, some things aren't 100% good here. From time to time, we have some = tremors and some Internet and/or electric power services blackouts, so I co= uld delay to answer some mails. Please, I want you understand that it is an= "inestable system" yet. =A0 GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! =A0 =A0 Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- El lun, 3/15/10, jmrouse@mail.com escribi=F3: De: jmrouse@mail.com Asunto: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter A: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fecha: lunes, 15 de marzo de 2010, 01:42 am Hi Guys, Been away for a while, so please forgive me if I respond to old posts or qu= estions covered previously. Juan, I don't know the answer to your question.=A0 I just want to offer my = condolences to your and to your countrymen.=A0 I hope your family was spare= d any harm and I hope the rebuilding effort goes well. God bless you all, too. Radioguy50c5 -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:11 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter Is there some 250 Wts AM TX model from some USA manufacturer? uan J. Paredes G. rom Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote: Transmitters 250 watts and under do not have to be type accepted.=A0=20 Powell =A0 NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads=A0 DOT=A0 =A0=A0=A0net ________________________________ From: JNR I know its power level is too low to be used in the U.S. as a main transmit= ter=20 ut it could be used for a backup.=A0 Is it F.C.C. certified? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Descarga gratis el nuevo Internet Explorer 8.=20 http://downloads.yahoo.com/ieak8/?l=3De1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 11:54:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46228 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2010 18:54:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2010 18:54:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54101.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.37.236) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2010 18:54:06 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 24932 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2010 18:53:50 -0000 Message-ID: <241843.23355.qm@web54101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 27GMsWgVM1mbT3zZr0254moF1oyFFs5sglgyfjWtBSepYjD 3h4.VHMrH5V.fu5bPD94tSZytXsosjotUFU8s3iB7z6x4tWPpwqSZ4kyvAI3 HVhpwAevlV1cIF5nqHlscRJTOzrSZIGeUPUw8Jpswi2iv8BrPnchx9RNQ5J1 t7WB.wPoyeQvyB1UZ77bJPHQj0misyO4eHpMN42Nrz.5LVPVq.eF1z0qagc3 gNKeGQ1f0R.7.7ICeeQmToNyvHm_xz8jNG6wH13tRYBjECeLiBL0sZOOuAM1 cl2hDrbrgN5Tc_Iy5ZQvAfIZ1h9LdXcypaZ_B_TStAFz33BLzw_OttQsEkb0 JK_UERbMFIkHQoAAYyFwXA0JxmQ-- X-Received: from [200.50.49.72] by web54101.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:53:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:53:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <719202.29643.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.37.236 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jota Pe Subject: Re: {AMSF} CORRECTION on Energy-Onix X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=470IdJJevcPJA4N7elZXDh08Dhh3PYKArB-hZFX4IYdRHJLANA X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for your data!!! =A0 Here, in Chile, we use 220 VAC 50HZ single phase electric power as standard= . Only the bigger 10KW or more TXs use 3 phases 380VAC, but Chile doesn't h= ave too much of them (and our TX is a 2.5KW max. power output only). I'll visit the Energy-Onix web page to see their offers. =A0 GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! =A0 =A0 Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love. =A0 --- El lun, 3/15/10, JNR escribi=F3: De: JNR Asunto: {AMSF} CORRECTION on Energy-Onix A: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fecha: lunes, 15 de marzo de 2010, 12:46 pm The B models are 100-130V 50/60cy.=A0 The regular models are 198-252V, 50/6= 0cy..=A0 Both are single phase. --- On Mon, 3/15/10, JNR wrote: From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 11:34 AM =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 Yes there is.=A0 Energy-Onix makes 250Watt, 500Watt & 1kW Pulsa= r models.=A0 www.energy-onix. com.=A0 I believe they use 120 volts/60cy. po= wer.=A0 I am not sure what your line current is in Chile. 73, Jay, N1WVQ --- On Mon, 3/8/10, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:11 AM =A0 Is there some 250 Wts AM TX model from some USA manufacturer? Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "Powell E. Way III" wro= te: > > Transmitters 250 watts and under do not have to be type accepted.=A0=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=A0 NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads=A0 DOT=A0 =A0=A0=A0net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: JNR >=20 >=20 > I know its power level is too low to be used in the U.S. as a main transm= itter but it could be used for a backup.=A0 Is it F.C.C. certified? >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! 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Descarga gratis el nuevo Internet Explorer 8.=20 http://downloads.yahoo.com/ieak8/?l=3De1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 15 12:32:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95702 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2010 19:32:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2010 19:32:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.97) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2010 19:32:41 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o2FJK5Kb025290 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:20:05 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d06.70ee31fd (55713) for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:20:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d23.mail.aol.com (magic-d23.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.157]) by cia-md01.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD014-d9a14b9e8862371; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:20:02 -0500 Message-ID: <45705.59360a29.38cfe262@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:20:02 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.194.159.247 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.157 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.97 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} NPR pressing engineers for cuts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=JZNjfU1ZLmIMYTXubf0MGTIxtWRW5KRlPQQgQSpOUzI4iY_5N9hB3RaB1CUMjgIP X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know how it still is in the major markets, but 40 years ago, except for management and clerical personel, every job at a medium to large station was union. The broadcast technicians were IBEW and the on-air was NAFTRA or similar unions. There was lots of jobs, good paying ones. Why had NPR fallen on hard times? Donations lost or government cuts? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 12:53:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9012 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2010 19:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2010 19:53:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2010 19:53:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18135 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2010 19:46:03 -0000 Message-ID: <595472.17937.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6uofMUwVM1mAqvKdIw8BUqBSqXWOqKeHxfgwqqxP_mIkqUTNORwykZXHszeEuettzkWSjsfj_0rOik.2BsKRvjL1DAGNvTJ7VzRHUossIuujw_5j2TQUmOgdvsKctZxbBOTUIMeOpkYdY9rASA1soVhJ6zeYcLOWH87CRRB9gYbNcSqbJSGmZ2BMwm1DnKHEdsMl13DnGIkLUWdCFUM6sAlCQpZ_sUzbv6JPzQMNwUy0tdGUwnsg3dj6LIJM9CrK6f1SwG_yQiNuJhrlo5BYhB866aax28z2t0a1HTuGikU8bcHQx4ICLWYWecbHAaSqCYUdia_DG1CVzA69Oodrlvck0UPmWQ78jh_8BCXbej0eYNZLBvE- X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:46:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.2.12 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:46:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <241843.23355.qm@web54101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} CORRECTION on Energy-Onix X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=GABaYUGcqmhnG1xqi4benKXQdnD2w1_WkpXfHLAg1_GmQaAyIMKp X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is your licensed power at CC126? --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Jota Pe wrote: From: Jota Pe Subject: Re: {AMSF} CORRECTION on Energy-Onix To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 2:53 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Thanks for your data!!! =C2=A0 Here, in Chile, we use 220 VAC 50HZ single phase electric power as standard= . Only the bigger 10KW or more TXs use 3 phases 380VAC, but Chile doesn't h= ave too much of them (and our TX is a 2.5KW max. power output only). I'll visit the Energy-Onix web page to see their offers. =C2=A0 GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love. =C2=A0 --- El lun, 3/15/10, JNR escribi=C3=B3: De: JNR Asunto: {AMSF} CORRECTION on Energy-Onix A: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Fecha: lunes, 15 de marzo de 2010, 12:46 pm The B models are 100-130V 50/60cy.=C2=A0 The regular models are 198-252V, 5= 0/60cy..=C2=A0 Both are single phase. --- On Mon, 3/15/10, JNR wrote: From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 11:34 AM =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yes there is.=C2=A0 Energy-Onix makes 250Watt, 500Watt= & 1kW Pulsar models.=C2=A0 www.energy-onix. com.=C2=A0 I believe they use = 120 volts/60cy. power.=C2=A0 I am not sure what your line current is in Chi= le. 73, Jay, N1WVQ --- On Mon, 3/8/10, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:11 AM =C2=A0 Is there some 250 Wts AM TX model from some USA manufacturer? Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "Powell E. Way III" wro= te: > > Transmitters 250 watts and under do not have to be type accepted.=C2=A0=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 >=C2=A0 NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads=C2=A0 DOT=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: JNR >=20 >=20 > I know its power level is too low to be used in the U.S. as a main transm= itter but it could be used for a backup.=C2=A0 Is it F.C.C. certified? >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! 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Descarga gratis el nuevo Internet Explorer 8.=20 http://downloads. yahoo.com/ ieak8/?l=3D e1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w6yn@juno.com Mon Mar 15 13:07:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w6yn@juno.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82158 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2010 20:07:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2010 20:07:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO outbound-mail.dca.untd.com) (64.136.47.15) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2010 20:07:15 -0000 X-Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail18.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.158]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABF37E4ZAPGGU52 for (sender ); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:06:47 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: E2TLAsu6cLtDpj9j9bhdD6m/VWF5RlZ3AlBUDXg+cQw= X-Received: (from w6yn@juno.com) by webmail18.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P84DZ64L; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:06:37 PDT X-Received: from [99.129.27.16] by webmail18.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:06:26 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:06:26 GMT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100315.130626.19834.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-UNTD-BodySize: 1801 X-ContentStamp: 5:2:2623364670 X-MAIL-INFO:545c11b59c5dc555696ce511c578cc998cfcb10c71c8acec45298dfc8d7dbd450c3c2c4c59856d0c2ce11d5881ed85edc84935cd X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.158|webmail18.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|w6yn@juno.com X-Originating-IP: 64.136.47.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "W6YN Don Milbury" Subject: Re: {AMSF} NPR pressing engineers for cuts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=362510; y=8K7f6455p9pJEOnqn75XdeMLfvUk10lnyrgxCSzxbw X-Yahoo-Profile: w6yn NPR: A projected $23 million deficit To the staff of NPR: Over the past few months, we have all witnessed the deterioration of the na= tional economy. NPR is not immune to this severe downturn, and our revenue = sources will be affected. A sharp drop in our current and projected corpora= te underwriting has compelled us to reduce expenses immediately. This memo = describes our plan to ensure that NPR will weather this economic crisis.=20 In late spring, we began to see a decrease in NPR corporate sponsorship, wh= ich makes up nearly a third of our operating budget. While we made budget c= uts at that time and continued to do so as the economy faltered, all our re= venue sources are under pressure. Corporate sponsorship has decreased even = more sharply since mid-September. All industries, including the financial, = automotive, and media industries, historically our biggest underwriters, ar= e cutting back significantly. Additionally, the philanthropic foundations a= nd major donors who support NPR are cautiously watching the economy and the= ir future giving is uncertain. The manageable $2 million budget deficit we = projected in July for Fiscal Year 2009 has now risen to a projected $23 mil= lion deficit. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} NPR pressing engineers for cuts Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:20:02 EDT I don't know how it still is in the major markets, but 40 years ago, except= =20 for management and clerical personel, every job at a medium to large=20 station was union. The broadcast technicians were IBEW and the on-air was = NAFTRA=20 or similar unions. There was lots of jobs, good paying ones. Why had NPR fallen on hard times? Donations lost or government cuts? Mike From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Mar 15 14:51:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48131 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2010 21:51:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2010 21:51:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2010 21:51:44 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o2FLp5NY013273 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:51:05 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.db6.39bf5e (37045) for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:51:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d27.mail.aol.com (magic-d27.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.161]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB033-90b54b9eabc7241; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:51:03 -0500 Message-ID: <64fa9.5f58366a.38d005c7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 17:51:03 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.194.159.247 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.161 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} NPR pressing engineers for cuts X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=cB3tl2FiRb_6kahQjEHWiViiF_02ByyiKHmNPb--sLhrfflhfBfPm5Hpq8Z8BGGB X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/15/2010 2:07:18 PM Central Standard Time, w6yn@juno.com writes: > NPR: A projected $23 million deficit > $23 million? That's clump change by today's standards. We spend that much every 4 hours in Afghanistan. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Mar 15 14:52:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53144 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2010 21:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2010 21:52:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f210.google.com) (209.85.220.210) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2010 21:52:10 -0000 X-Received: by fxm2 with SMTP id 2so61466fxm.26 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:52:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.87.65.40 with SMTP id s40mr5461381fgk.14.1268689926768; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-130-183.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.130.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm3494959fxm.1.2010.03.15.14.52.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <32C97CFE083A410C8BF4D6100642FE60@mygateway> To: References: <748431.24658.qm@web54005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:51:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.210 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=8GrpGieAGBTiPz8uV-Q-cMkipIEnP7rF4hIbROj2dO97GiTKCGxV X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable to bad some one can't purchase one in us, drop the power to 100mw can some one do this or would it be turned back at customs? have allways wo= ndered about this Hank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:34 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter =20=20=20=20 Yes there is. Energy-Onix makes 250Watt, 500Watt & 1kW Pulsar models. w= ww.energy-onix.com. I believe they use 120 volts/60cy. power. I am not su= re what your line current is in Chile. 73, Jay, N1WVQ --- On Mon, 3/8/10, jotape1960 wrote: From: jotape1960 Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:11 AM =20=20=20 Is there some 250 Wts AM TX model from some USA manufacturer? Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=C3=B3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "Powell E. Way III" w= rote: > > Transmitters 250 watts and under do not have to be type accepted.=20 >=20 > Powell >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: JNR >=20 >=20 > I know its power level is too low to be used in the U.S. as a main tran= smitter but it could be used for a backup. Is it F.C.C. certified? >=20 > 73, > Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------ --------- --------- ------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Mar 15 15:10:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50536 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2010 22:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2010 22:10:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-fx0-f212.google.com) (209.85.220.212) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2010 22:10:13 -0000 X-Received: by fxm4 with SMTP id 4so3686491fxm.0 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:10:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.223.7.69 with SMTP id c5mr4642921fac.14.1268691008710; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (174-30-130-183.tcso.qwest.net [174.30.130.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm3491902fxm.13.2010.03.15.15.10.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0C089E028A474E22A92935F88E751B7F@mygateway> To: References: <734423.24218.qm@web54103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:10:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.220.212 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=olMvUEewmVxl9n-aUTEi-n1sovHv8Q9JaDefU7Aln1pcx0_Zys6h X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hang in there ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jota Pe=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:47 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter =20=20=20=20 Hi!!! =20=20=20 Thanks for your words. I really appreciate your wishes for us. =20=20=20 Please, some things aren't 100% good here. From time to time, we have som= e tremors and some Internet and/or electric power services blackouts, so I = could delay to answer some mails. Please, I want you understand that it is = an "inestable system" yet. =20=20=20 GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! =20=20=20 =20=20=20 Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- El lun, 3/15/10, jmrouse@mail.com escribi=F3: De: jmrouse@mail.com Asunto: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter A: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fecha: lunes, 15 de marzo de 2010, 01:42 am Hi Guys, Been away for a while, so please forgive me if I respond to old posts or = questions covered previously. Juan, I don't know the answer to your question. I just want to offer my = condolences to your and to your countrymen. I hope your family was spared = any harm and I hope the rebuilding effort goes well. God bless you all, too. Radioguy50c5 -----Original Message----- From: jotape1960 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 10:11 am Subject: Re: {AMSF} Aspisys 100 watt transmitter Is there some 250 Wts AM TX model from some USA manufacturer? uan J. Paredes G. rom Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love -- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrot= e: Transmitters 250 watts and under do not have to be type accepted.=20=20 Powell NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: JNR I know its power level is too low to be used in the U.S. as a main transm= itter=20 ut it could be used for a backup. Is it F.C.C. certified? 73, Jay, N1WVQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Descarga gratis el nuevo Internet Explorer 8.=20 http://downloads.yahoo.com/ieak8/?l=3De1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From rdstreeter41@yahoo.com Mon Mar 22 19:34:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: rdstreeter41@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96764 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2010 02:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2010 02:34:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web84007.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.206.177) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2010 02:34:43 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 17083 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2010 02:34:43 -0000 Message-ID: <17131.15807.qm@web84007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JVF0xAsVM1mGI484nbYUWqge1CHs1PqHJNCoYRRnz77QPol 0q3a98kcOgt72eXSHOhXEdtlXqeWs57MkT9xpb8UYDeXH1DkTtw6pZ_l5EX. TGve2plfNznyRjcEwLOWhyeGH9cyKCOjHN_1GmHngLlAolCLJXcqrRTfjFhQ zukO4npmvFBaZIy9XjacejE33Sxeq8HfaLBjDBsAKPr5yhOEu28ctqRD9NMu 7Rn7shZ7lVxwtd7OLz1V89VdTJiG1zvpYm2NKFJ8o2TWpHbKUDbuB4CYHn2T 21lGyJUAjKjqpPULw17W9eKsMrg-- X-Received: from [71.97.211.144] by web84007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:34:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:34:42 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <954148.61372.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.206.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=238869023; y=2-6zT8ZG_JDp6WphmXbGmLDZZuM12cGD87oRqgJW9dbcBX7QgaTK X-Yahoo-Profile: rdstreeter41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable George, =A0 I finally managed to get all the AM Stereo FCC test tapes=A0digitized by Sw= eetwater Sound. =A0 Since they are digitized (12 CDs) they are much more useful.=A0 I paln to g= ive one copy of the CDs to the Indiana Histroical Society to go with the re= st of the Maganvvox AM Stereo information they now have.=A0 Thought you wou= ld like to know. =A0 Bob Streeter --- On Tue, 8/11/09, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 6:31 PM Bob, I'm glad you still have all those recordings...what a piece of broadca= st history!Belar? =A0Wow, that's one system I never got to hear, can't wait= to see how that worked out.I hope your tapes are in safe hands!Regards,Geo= rge --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Robert Streeter wrote: From: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 9:56 PM =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 George, =A0 As you may remember, I am in the long drawn out process of finding archival= storage for all my AM Stereo documents and equipment. =A0 I have (31) 7 inch reel-to-reel tapes.=A0 All of the NAMSRC OTA and Lab aud= io tests with Magnavox, Motorola, and Belar are part of the tape collection= .=A0 Many of the tapes are off-the-air recordings from WOWO, as well as oth= er Magnavox AM Stereo system recordings.=A0=20 =A0 Sweetwater Sound in Fort Wayne is in the process of (I hope) transcribing t= hem to digital format.=A0 Since the transcription is done during idle time,= it will be a bit yet before any of the CDs are available.=A0 You may find = some of the recordings (like the WOWO demonstration of AM Stereo audio proc= essing for the Magnavox system versus the others) very interesting.=A0 I ho= pe the tapes will play back successfully after all this time in storage. =A0 I also have a large number of cassettes of various AM Stereo OTA tests, but= I hope to have some time this winter to digitize them. =A0 Obviously, once the information is digitized, it can be easily shared. =A0 Otherwide, the archiving is going very slowly.=A0 It is disappointing to se= e the number of broadcast archival and historical organizations going dark = due to the economy.=A0 At least my stuff is not at one of those places. =A0 Bob Streeter --- On Mon, 8/10/09, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 9:03 PM where can I hear it at? =A0got a link? =A0thanx, G --- On Mon, 8/10/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 3:03 PM [ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =A0 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0 =A0=20 =A0=A0=A0=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=20 =A0=A0=A0=20 =A0=A0=A0=20 =A0=A0=A0=20 =A0=A0=A0=20 =A0=A0=A0=20 =A0=A0=A0=20 =A0=A0=A0=20 =A0 =A0 =A0=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Mar 23 09:58:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26113 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2010 16:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2010 16:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2010 16:58:31 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o2NGw0Qr023893 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:58:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d9b.11d2f35 (37118) for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:57:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m27.mail.aol.com (magic-m27.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.200]) by cia-ma01.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA014-90fe4ba8f313110; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:57:55 -0400 Message-ID: <479a4.5c6c5469.38da4d13@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:57:55 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.194.159.247 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.200 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=0XPxYVq7PtdVOTQ7KL146lb897PdwmGjIsAtc6G-6JAnP_ogR-ANcw8p5-uQyy9v X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could you possibly shared just one of the jingles with us for old time sake? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 14:08:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 83962 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2010 21:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2010 21:08:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2010 21:08:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 88702 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2010 21:08:11 -0000 Message-ID: <410067.86393.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tJQQescVM1mfT3FUAMYOfmGc16Xzuy.9Z5K5dcVQAvKLCxbeF6n2V1RCZ33boeA6.0jO2VHjHbiw1.KQ39q5t2VLCifnXY09ZfV3LuepUVsmWQt8p9f_RuRqUs4zUZem_6aO5HOTG2fL9lfl8pqKs2e5NlfgdKkPmFfIcqw.jaSX.U_AEnSFC9G915pIYjfi2tZ1NnFsBVkkdigo9hednlMngWL_r_mDKIcjeQoxYEWAM3u3FT31HmeUPFIraHOnCgmjpejusITkf__4Enj.SYa9MvOjl4rmRriZnwHpTsumA.jWdaVb_a9ebGNYBuQK6NnGU.9T0DB70AdMhacsh3mgG180vB3kJElbOFIfMxQtXING7GVabx5r X-Received: from [99.131.46.99] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:08:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:08:11 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <17131.15807.qm@web84007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=JnbtWj_Sl6kOtexiMiRk21rp5GF0zOn0B-XzSmLPqPFk8A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's really great news, Bob! =C2=A0 Any chance one could purchase a copy?=C2=A0 That is a bit of history of=C2= =A0extreme interest to me, having been (and still being) a die-hard PMX proponent. Where is the Indiana Historical Society...is there an actual museum? Regards, George --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Robert Streeter wrote: From: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 10:34 PM =C2=A0=20 George, =C2=A0 I finally managed to get all the AM Stereo FCC test tapes=C2=A0digitized by= Sweetwater Sound. =C2=A0 Since they are digitized (12 CDs) they are much more useful.=C2=A0 I paln t= o give one copy of the CDs to the Indiana Histroical Society to go with the= rest of the Maganvvox AM Stereo information they now have.=C2=A0 Thought y= ou would like to know. =C2=A0 Bob Streeter --- On Tue, 8/11/09, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 6:31 PM Bob, I'm glad you still have all those recordings.. .what a piece of broadc= ast history!Belar? =C2=A0Wow, that's one system I never got to hear, can't = wait to see how that worked out.I hope your tapes are in safe hands!Regards= , George --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Robert Streeter wrote: From: Robert Streeter Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 9:56 PM =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 George, =C2=A0 As you may remember, I am in the long drawn out process of finding archival= storage for all my AM Stereo documents and equipment. =C2=A0 I have (31) 7 inch reel-to-reel tapes.=C2=A0 All of the NAMSRC OTA and Lab = audio tests with Magnavox, Motorola, and Belar are part of the tape collect= ion.=C2=A0 Many of the tapes are off-the-air recordings from WOWO, as well = as other Magnavox AM Stereo system recordings.=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 Sweetwater Sound in Fort Wayne is in the process of (I hope) transcribing t= hem to digital format.=C2=A0 Since the transcription is done during idle ti= me, it will be a bit yet before any of the CDs are available.=C2=A0 You may= find some of the recordings (like the WOWO demonstration of AM Stereo audi= o processing for the Magnavox system versus the others) very interesting.= =C2=A0 I hope the tapes will play back successfully after all this time in = storage. =C2=A0 I also have a large number of cassettes of various AM Stereo OTA tests, but= I hope to have some time this winter to digitize them. =C2=A0 Obviously, once the information is digitized, it can be easily shared. =C2=A0 Otherwide, the archiving is going very slowly.=C2=A0 It is disappointing to= see the number of broadcast archival and historical organizations going da= rk due to the economy.=C2=A0 At least my stuff is not at one of those place= s. =C2=A0 Bob Streeter --- On Mon, 8/10/09, george russell wrote: From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 9:03 PM where can I hear it at? =C2=A0got a link? =C2=A0thanx, G --- On Mon, 8/10/09, John P. wrote: From: John P. Subject: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle To: "K.T. radio list AMS 2001" Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 3:03 PM [ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 05:59:51 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10363 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2010 12:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2010 12:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2010 12:59:45 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2010 12:57:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2010 12:57:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:57:12 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <479a4.5c6c5469.38da4d13@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle + more X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=bRxtVGStCCgPNlHan1IJhU9x7u68lXehlCx8N-5gDC55-VjhG4wn7IM X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio Slightly off topic, but we had a live, local call-in late night talk show 1= 1pm -1am on WOHO (amazing to think now that a 1KW AM station had a live sho= w on at that time) but a caller complained that there was a station that th= ey picked-up on their car radio from Fort Wayne that was using our same cal= l letters!! (caller heard "WO-WO", when we went by "WHOA-HOE" radio. I built a PMX decoder on a white RS 'ProtoBoard' using the National Semicon= ductor LM1981 chip, but I would get some nasty effects with it trying to 'l= ock' with a daytime signal. Then when WOWO changed their pilot tone from 5= Hz to 25Hz, it messed me up, but an engineer at either National Semi or Mag= navox, actually sent me a circuit schematic to make a fake 25Hz tone encode= r to hook-up to fake-out the chip decoding into stereo! Ahhh, the good old days of radio in the early 80's! Love to hear some of that stereo audio. Pretty sure that the Delco Kokomo, Indiana plant was part of the testing an= d used WJR's, CKLW's and WOWO's 50KW signals for testing so they could deci= de what to put in the Delco car radios. Wow, now I really want Marty McFly's DeLorean time machine!=20 =20=20 From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Mar 24 06:31:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90181 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2010 13:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2010 13:31:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f200.google.com) (209.85.210.200) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2010 13:31:38 -0000 X-Received: by yxe38 with SMTP id 38so3913890yxe.22 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:31:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.20.22 with SMTP id 22mr9972789ant.204.1269437478831; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2336602ywc.4.2010.03.24.06.31.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BAA1424.8070602@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:31:16 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <17131.15807.qm@web84007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <17131.15807.qm@web84007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} WOWO stereo jingle X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=GDTZbirrgP99MUVUNgFxIQfaC_1h893YwXETaPTkySiWYMsf6xTIH9ubleermg X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 Robert Streeter wrote: > Since they are digitized (12 CDs) they are much more useful. How can members of this group order a copy of the CDs? -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 24 19:10:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92154 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2010 02:10:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2010 02:10:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.184) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2010 02:10:16 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48217 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2010 02:10:12 -0000 X-Received: from adsl-75-20-188-122.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net (jimsmith95650@75.20.188.122 with login) by smtp125.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2010 19:10:12 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: 01lTOkkVM1lf9a7bu5BfDCYCnwnarzhz0oWRfyDu212CMZSWLvYZIFWQLPkuY8wBvANFZWZm2JVcws4qUfQQk2tv4FsS4eCQPAS.BOWIL5LOZxN1SWF5pefgR.7J2KvAOAwuiPaJ2riKGhJcnUeztNiz4OXZeljudRgWn5zTKwk2yX4_wvhgn5ig0IY00uvjykzhPxIU6SopPx2F2O.SrfURRc85VZK2DEzm54enDbsftzmasFm_Ys_bkuiKh1w- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <487A73BF21F34FF09C41AE565D43B187@jimafi749v93dd> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:10:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.184 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=qMmlWr1D8n91-mZyuhOD5gjKaVH4VqJV5MG2oFPjah5agodKW7Ynmz0lh68UjjfRqqCbvzy6 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I need to comferm a chip . I don't know for sure if its a AM STEREO chip or not. I don't know why but its no longer decodeing in forced mode any more. The chip is Sony CXA1522P its not SMT. Thanks Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From pdmtr@yahoo.com Thu Mar 25 00:49:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: pdmtr@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 87051 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2010 07:49:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2010 07:49:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2010 07:49:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2010 07:49:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2010 07:49:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 07:49:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <487A73BF21F34FF09C41AE565D43B187@jimafi749v93dd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 79.131.59.89 From: "pdmtr" Subject: Re: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=101233208; y=twnCJUfdcoyWWyXlV8XwT2NSkZtUNdg_PskfGIuxptE X-Yahoo-Profile: pdmtr Hi=20 The specific Sony IC is just an audio amplifier and has no relationship to = the AM Stereo decoding system. You must look for something else there.=20 --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang I need to comferm a chip . I don't know for sure if its a AM ST= EREO chip or not. I don't know why but its no longer decodeing in forced m= ode any more. The chip is Sony CXA1522P its not SMT. Thanks Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 25 04:32:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28128 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2010 11:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2010 11:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2010 11:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2010 11:31:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2010 11:31:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:31:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.20.188.122 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=MxaFzRMGrnb7eyX0wK8277Qn2NflsTrluiBSO_4qjv8ZKSLWdL-6YaH4E7GIEDDUGCC8JFAs X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > Hi=20 > The specific Sony IC is just an audio amplifier and has no relationship t= o the AM Stereo decoding system. You must look for something else there.=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I need to comferm a chip . I don't know for sure if its a AM = STEREO chip or not. I don't know why but its no longer decodeing in forced= mode any more. The chip is Sony CXA1522P its not SMT. Thanks Jim Smith > >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Thank you for the info i will keep looking. I mite have to install a de= coder board. Jim Smith From dud31dud@yahoo.com Thu Mar 25 08:43:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dud31dud@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36538 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2010 15:42:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2010 15:42:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2010 15:42:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2010 15:41:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2010 15:41:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:41:17 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.227.158.107 From: "ograv31" Subject: AM Stereo tremolo or warble X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=276726813; y=4jJXBzCgDx9zR9F67SrA67lh98CZoWfiRPYHCX0JoLKlU2w X-Yahoo-Profile: ograv31 Hi All- I own a Sansui TUD99AMX tuner that has a warble or tremolo effect to the so= und when listening to Canadian AM stereo station (630KHz). The station com= es in with good authority & the stereo light is solid. I don't believe it = to be an alignment issue. Can it be a signal/decoding compatibiltiy issue? Any comments would be appreciated. - Thanx - Bob V From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Mar 25 14:23:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57620 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2010 21:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2010 21:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2010 21:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.7] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100325162315100915000011.0) with SMTP id <20100325162315100915000011> for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:23:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <00d901cacc62$440dd920$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: X-Source-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:29:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:23:15 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=Jaihvmg-77SVr25XaMHNxINtfqZTv4QHPcuSMw78NVisYtGmFw9M X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How old is that radio? Might just need all new caps. Scott Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:32 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > Hi > The specific Sony IC is just an audio amplifier and has no relationship to the AM Stereo decoding system. You must look for something else there. > > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote: > > > > Hi Gang I need to comferm a chip . I don't know for sure if its a AM STEREO chip or not. I don't know why but its no longer decodeing in forced mode any more. The chip is Sony CXA1522P its not SMT. Thanks Jim Smith > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Hi Thank you for the info i will keep looking. I mite have to install a decoder board. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 25 17:07:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 66015 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2010 00:07:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2010 00:07:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2010 00:07:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2010 00:07:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2010 00:07:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 00:07:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00d901cacc62$440dd920$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.153 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.38.62.111 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=4AuGP_p4wbI5BORGCUmzwxICVxSjZa3Pkulcs4nj9hpqwdde0wCFEyqFhg5GRQ5zXmjfMmuE X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > How old is that radio? Might just need all new caps. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jim smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:32 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > > > Hi=20 > > The specific Sony IC is just an audio amplifier and has no relationsh= ip to the AM Stereo decoding system. You must look for something else there= .=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wr= ote: > > > > > > Hi Gang I need to comferm a chip . I don't know for sure if its a A= M STEREO chip or not. I don't know why but its no longer decodeing in force= d mode any more. The chip is Sony CXA1522P its not SMT. Thanks Jim Smith > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Hi Thank you for the info i will keep looking. I mite have to install a= decoder board. Jim Smith >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Scott I bot the radio about 4 years ago. One of the only things i could = read on the paper work that came with the radio was the date 1992. I was bi= t ruff on it. Its not drop proof. Jim Smith From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Mar 25 20:07:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31263 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2010 03:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2010 03:07:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2010 03:07:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 34544 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Mar 2010 03:07:26 -0000 Message-ID: <645394.34456.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ogP7lR8VM1ldd39z3wagjK0X_JKgJR2UFj6SE3lsBcCcM9G 97BgGfy.dzRt.IGXA6LGnjAjJL3uB5jkSEcudsUSryD4rjx6AqW3zCIkhBE8 4DoUI5agVjWlQbTtRgmpG2G0lwdZ_DiAGRJMvG5ZP4fnoYJGrTl9vdjI6x.U Cuh36lJV3TBgY_kFC.XGL_aZ0s01MKPi5KDTzIL3sz5PVDCffbXDvZpB_1eC 2a49ML1FHaANL3QqxoQCcY2cixk1wECOiJz0N1wr4diuNvi3EUkGr4CYFdqR kNpkfFKLT2xiLskWOI3a7y3IH4A3IDQvC2EgRKtBlorG6lNMm0z6yP0AHbBR XFWwEneTDg4ve2yjT4DY0sRzdffu5f41O X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:07:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:07:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=A7xyZdoeSEYMZ5xO-3IR_RvciG0hXG4QwSNYaJUpQHPYdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim,can you get a schematic for it? =C2=A0Not sure if this applies to Sony-= made chips, but some of the Motorola chips had a pin that when grounded for= ced it into stereo mode. =C2=A0Could be a bad solder joint on that pin?Geor= ge --- On Thu, 3/25/10, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 8:07 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, wrote: > > How old is that radio? Might just need all new caps. >=20 > Scott Todd >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: jim smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:32 AM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "pdmtr" wrote: > > > > Hi=20 > > The specific Sony IC is just an audio amplifier and has no relationsh= ip to the AM Stereo decoding system. You must look for something else there= .=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jim smith" = wrote: > > > > > > Hi Gang I need to comferm a chip . I don't know for sure if its a A= M STEREO chip or not. I don't know why but its no longer decodeing in force= d mode any more. The chip is Sony CXA1522P its not SMT. Thanks Jim Smith > > >=20 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Hi Thank you for the info i will keep looking. I mite have to install a= decoder board. Jim Smith >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Scott I bot the radio about 4 years ago. One of the only things i could = read on the paper work that came with the radio was the date 1992. I was bi= t ruff on it. Its not drop proof. Jim Smith =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 25 21:26:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88013 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2010 04:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2010 04:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2010 04:26:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2010 04:26:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2010 04:26:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 04:26:25 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <645394.34456.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.159 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.16.135.244 From: "jim smith" Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=m7auD2RR-mSMBfEWdgapw-Ty96u4vKXnDznO8daQMli4NluwlXXKhmNWjLivDeeaQ53GEEt9 X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, george russell wrote: > > Jim,can you get a schematic for it? =C2=A0Not sure if this applies to Son= y-made chips, but some of the Motorola chips had a pin that when grounded f= orced it into stereo mode. =C2=A0Could be a bad solder joint on that pin?Ge= orge >=20 > --- On Thu, 3/25/10, jim smith wrote: >=20 > From: jim smith > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 8:07 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, wrote: >=20 > > >=20 > > How old is that radio? Might just need all new caps. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Scott Todd >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 >=20 > > From: jim smith=20 >=20 > > To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 >=20 > > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:32 AM >=20 > > Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "pdmtr" wrote: >=20 > > > >=20 > > > Hi=20 >=20 > > > The specific Sony IC is just an audio amplifier and has no relation= ship to the AM Stereo decoding system. You must look for something else the= re.=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > >=20 >=20 > > > --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, "jim smith" wrote: >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > Hi Gang I need to comferm a chip . I don't know for sure if its a= AM STEREO chip or not. I don't know why but its no longer decodeing in for= ced mode any more. The chip is Sony CXA1522P its not SMT. Thanks Jim Smith >=20 > > > >=20 >=20 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > Hi Thank you for the info i will keep looking. I mite have to install= a decoder board. Jim Smith >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > >=20=20=20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 > > >=20 > Hi Scott I bot the radio about 4 years ago. One of the only things i coul= d read on the paper work that came with the radio was the date 1992. I was = bit ruff on it. Its not drop proof. Jim Smith >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi George I would not even know where to start. Jim Smith From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 07:43:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10327 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2010 14:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2010 14:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2010 14:43:20 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2010 14:40:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2010 14:40:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2010 14:40:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:40:58 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.100 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: AM Stereo tremolo or warble X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=z9ZyQ7bhKOc_C7PLA-X31zN9GZUDfW-vt9BfaIzrvqFVZUenv42ToY4 X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio How far away are you from CFCO? I used to have 'unbalanced' channels, so I = talked to the owner and he actually lowered the stereo pilot level, and tha= t corrected the issue!=20 But again, I'm not in the their primary lobe, and have only a daytime signa= l here in NW Ohio; almost totally lose their signal in night pattern as wel= l as stereo at sunset. When they switched from "Classic Gold" oldies to Country music, I stopped l= istening to them as much :( From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Mar 26 09:08:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42509 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2010 16:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2010 16:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2010 16:08:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2010 16:08:30 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2010 16:08:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:08:29 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.50.57.192 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: AM Stereo tremolo or warble X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=0w35rJ49UG32p5DXwj_wiRutNt7EF4Ukxg5D7wuBfQ9Cl03Z4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I suspect you don't like country music at all, ahahahahahaha!!! However, I know a good "stock" of awesome stereo separation country music r= ecords. So... I suspect it sounds great at CFCO. I really envy you so much because you have some real AM Stereo station "cat= chable" in your area!!! ENJOY IT!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with some aftershocks from time to tim= e but a lot of love to all of you. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > How far away are you from CFCO? I used to have 'unbalanced' channels, so = I talked to the owner and he actually lowered the stereo pilot level, and t= hat corrected the issue!=20 > But again, I'm not in the their primary lobe, and have only a daytime sig= nal here in NW Ohio; almost totally lose their signal in night pattern as w= ell as stereo at sunset. > When they switched from "Classic Gold" oldies to Country music, I stopped= listening to them as much :( > From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Mar 26 15:03:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51615 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2010 22:03:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2010 22:03:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2010 22:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.134] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100326170308100062400010.0) with SMTP id <20100326170308100062400010> for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:03:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <002301cacd31$02350080$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: X-Source-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:09:25 -0600 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:03:08 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=lLLrs0pJc7NGdwlsyPBBCkAN007MJu4sHzX3DXb1StN9pL7xehQU X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's certainly old enough it could warrant new caps, but I also like George's suggestion about checking the solder joint on that one pin. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: jim smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:07 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: Sony SRF A300 AM STEREO Hi Scott I bot the radio about 4 years ago. One of the only things i could read on the paper work that came with the radio was the date 1992. I was bit ruff on it. Its not drop proof. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From dud31dud@yahoo.com Sat Mar 27 18:35:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dud31dud@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 21574 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2010 01:35:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Mar 2010 01:35:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2010 01:35:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2010 01:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2010 01:35:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 01:35:54 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.227.158.107 From: "ograv31" Subject: Re: AM Stereo tremolo or warble X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=276726813; y=n8jEltUiGV4MoE8sjTE8v4bUKrx3BNXIq2n1oFFqHYaQ-Xs X-Yahoo-Profile: ograv31 I am about 80 miles away. As I said, I get the station with good signal st= rength. I am thinking it is the Sansui, not the station. And yeah, it is counrty, but the real point is it is stereo! When I switch = to mono, the tremolo goes away. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > How far away are you from CFCO? I used to have 'unbalanced' channels, so = I talked to the owner and he actually lowered the stereo pilot level, and t= hat corrected the issue!=20 > But again, I'm not in the their primary lobe, and have only a daytime sig= nal here in NW Ohio; almost totally lose their signal in night pattern as w= ell as stereo at sunset. > When they switched from "Classic Gold" oldies to Country music, I stopped= listening to them as much :( > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 29 00:24:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43100 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2010 07:23:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2010 07:23:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2010 07:23:57 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2010 07:20:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2010 07:20:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2010 07:20:33 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:20:32 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.19.158.131 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: AM Stereo tremolo or warble X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=3XykIfFJLsFvlk6hjLmrb9gxpqBUrg4G3lOWD7baV_WrEV8eaI3qPxqkffsRvf2is7SSI0oX X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "ograv31" wrote: > > I am about 80 miles away. As I said, I get the station with good signal = strength. I am thinking it is the Sansui, not the station. >=20 > And yeah, it is counrty, but the real point is it is stereo! When I switc= h to mono, the tremolo goes away. >=20 > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > > > How far away are you from CFCO? I used to have 'unbalanced' channels, s= o I talked to the owner and he actually lowered the stereo pilot level, and= that corrected the issue!=20 > > But again, I'm not in the their primary lobe, and have only a daytime s= ignal here in NW Ohio; almost totally lose their signal in night pattern as= well as stereo at sunset. > > When they switched from "Classic Gold" oldies to Country music, I stopp= ed listening to them as much :( > > > Hi Guys I wish i had a C-QuAM Classic Country station in my area. I miss = them greatly. I had 3 in my area back when i had bot my Realistic TM 152 AM= -AM STEREO Tuner in 1987 KRAK AM STEREO 1140 Sacramento Ca KHWY AM STEREO 1= 030 Folsom Ca KTRB AM STEREO 860 Modesto Ca. Now the only AM skywave county= station i get is KTNN AM MONO 660 Windowrock Az. I am glad that thay play = music all night long now. Jim Smith Loomis Ca From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 06:29:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4042 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2010 13:29:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2010 13:29:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2010 13:29:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2010 13:27:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2010 13:27:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:27:42 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: AM Stereo tremolo or warble X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=TcsIispHSVhOu8vRXeog_GD2pLrqHieHIu9UWh8rqUWkR1sCkecXquo X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I checked CFCO in the car, and I'm getting a 'warble' a little bit in the l= eft channel only - the right channel sounds solid. How about you? I don't have a passport, so I can't make the 2 hour drive up there to hear = it locally anymore :( Damn international rules. From dud31dud@yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 16:59:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dud31dud@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31368 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2010 23:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2010 23:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2010 23:59:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2010 23:57:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2010 23:57:01 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 23:57:00 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.158 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.227.158.107 From: "ograv31" Subject: Re: AM Stereo tremolo or warble X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=276726813; y=IQHiNtiquVaEY3PxvVILIw2ufvA4UkavoQs1N59T_UY1Z5A X-Yahoo-Profile: ograv31 Hi & thanx for the reply. Does you car tuner have AM Stereo? I have a number of tuners & rotate them thru my system. Currently I have m= y Yamaha 950 in place. I'll have to hook up the Sansui again to check out = your observation. Bob V --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > I checked CFCO in the car, and I'm getting a 'warble' a little bit in the= left channel only - the right channel sounds solid. How about you? > I don't have a passport, so I can't make the 2 hour drive up there to hea= r it locally anymore :( Damn international rules. > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Wed Mar 31 10:40:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48345 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2010 17:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2010 17:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2010 17:38:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2010 17:35:52 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2010 17:35:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:35:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: AM Stereo tremolo or warble X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=POqlIrGypcJjfjyu-Hz9-FLMwDdbRMvTHoO5flsWwWNmkTPuHYWdrNc X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "ograv31" wrote: Does you car tuner have AM Stereo? Of course! Both Chryslers do. I even went so far as to tear mine out and p= ut a wider bandwidth I.F. filter to give me a little more generous bandwidt= h! Which compass direction are you from CFCO? John From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 02 01:45:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41109 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2010 08:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2010 08:45:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.186) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2010 08:45:41 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13783 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2010 08:45:31 -0000 X-Received: from adsl-75-18-124-152.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net (jimsmith95650@75.18.124.152 with login) by smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Apr 2010 01:45:31 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: iDt1f6sVM1l1s1f2GuXgYYdorFfhI5.9wVI4GEI4uY5Eh4n1RQa0oZZDdxsYMS2kE95WzLSuDf._25.j.l756XZoezLJBZu1y71Yo3Ao2CN8w5moVuG58DCZhdUDJJJwa3bM2INluNQ5EfiPyE9EQ7BuTPp55BMksGzRDWZeLsln4miTRunuc2p0UOMOVZmqVG9E.ExNwoKAhErFXEZoJXx6q2xXpIu8kAvhh1ee8pYGKYyKnzv8zb.AwMztf8A- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <11032461AC814C788BA4B5B8D08A53B4@jimafi749v93dd> To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 01:45:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.186 From: "jim smith" Subject: WWKB AM 1520 late 50's AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=UUnSsRHIrfg3iHJ_qdx4Xm5XxGHOe3C0Qw688MSUD7xtSd_WSrufmpUIvJxgazLXufbMPnta X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang I have a recording of two late 50's AM STEREO stations. One of them is WWKB AM 1520 that dose sound like AM STEREO even with slite platform motion. How do i load it up to the site? Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Fri Apr 02 01:51:10 2010 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 70342 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2010 08:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2010 08:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2010 08:51:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1270198237; bh=D6sGwKHmZGE5OeAVqEZCulVZf34czwZdicsG10ccfAw=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=os86v7x07GuWWiQWo9ej0XTOwi8gZHkXbhix8egPMYwF/FEuurJD39HP9tWe65gtZwuTKNCNAshKfzQ4hpjXG+ReHu8bWAs/yGX2BBHzbtYZkXa+206cBo2jtpbUjA3A Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2010 08:50:37 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2010 08:50:37 -0000 Date: 2 Apr 2010 08:50:36 -0000 Message-ID: <1270198236.12248.1462.w5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to amstereoforum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amstereoforum group. File : /realplay.exe Uploaded by : jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Description : WWKB AM STEREO 1520 late 50's You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforum/files/realplay.exe To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles Regards, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 02 08:57:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68271 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2010 15:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2010 15:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2010 15:57:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2010 15:54:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2010 15:54:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 15:54:10 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <11032461AC814C788BA4B5B8D08A53B4@jimafi749v93dd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 200.112.54.15 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: WWKB AM 1520 late 50's AM STEREO X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=7WTSHg40pP0PuvOOu9cN6_5udyJmxG9itdbdfCnQN9ALyBuHRw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 You just have to go to the left menu of the forum and open the "Files" sub-= menu. Then you can upload your audio file. Better if it is an MP3 file, because it is smaller than a RAW PCM, but don'= t care about the quality... it will be just an MP3 file!!! hahahaha!!! Seriously, the best quality of MP3 files is getting with rates of 192 or mo= re kbps and 44100 or more samples per second. Of course, the original resol= ution of the audio file should be 16 bits minimun. If your original data is an analog air check tape, then try to digitalizer = it with a good PC sound card, a good software (as Cool Edit Pro 2.0 or the = today Adobe Audition), set it at 48000 samples per second, 32 bits per samp= le, stereo of course, and then "translate" it to the MP3 format with a rate= of 320 kbps to get the best performance. Optionally, you can limit the audio bandwidth of the MP3 to any value you w= ish, from 5 KHZ to 24 KHZ, but it is not a good idea to limit it below 15 K= HZ because the typical MP3 high frecuency artifacts (even if the original a= udio doesn't have too much of those high tones). GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with still some tremors from time to t= ime but a lot of love and hope. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "jim smith" wrote= : > > Hi Gang I have a recording of two late 50's AM STEREO stations. One of = them is WWKB AM 1520 that dose sound like AM STEREO even with slite platfor= m motion. How do i load it up to the site? Jim Smith >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From dud31dud@yahoo.com Fri Apr 02 09:03:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dud31dud@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80309 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2010 16:03:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2010 16:03:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2010 16:03:33 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2010 16:03:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2010 16:03:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2010 16:03:21 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.227.158.107 From: "ograv31" Subject: Re: AM Stereo tremolo or warble X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=276726813; y=cbuxafvKGBh_b_jESD5WMKbZ2Tm-KvMy2u29sWOHZicaCGg X-Yahoo-Profile: ograv31 Chatham (CFCO) is almost directly west of me. And I meant to write "your" not "you". Hate when I make a grammatical erro= r available for everyone to see. :-( Didn't realize that Mopar made AM stereo receivers!! I hooked up my Sansui TUD99AMX again & feed it with my outside SWL antenna.= The Stereo light is solidly lit & the signal strength meter indicates "fu= ll strength" on the funky display, which means full quieting should be obta= ined. It still has the "tremolo" effect in both channels. I can also sele= ct a narrow IF with the Sansui, but this has no affect on the tremolo. Sepa= ration is quite good & very evident. I don't remember getting the tremolo = on a Realistic TM152 I used to have. The Sansui has much better AM RF perf= ormance, though. Any typos? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "toledohamradio" = wrote: > > --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "ograv31" wrote: > Does you car tuner have AM Stereo? >=20 > Of course! Both Chryslers do. I even went so far as to tear mine out and= put a wider bandwidth I.F. filter to give me a little more generous bandwi= dth! >=20 > Which compass direction are you from CFCO? >=20 > John > From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Sat Apr 03 14:55:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78217 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2010 21:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2010 21:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2010 21:55:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2010 21:53:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2010 21:53:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:53:15 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.151 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.241.179.196 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Re: AM Stereo tremolo or warble X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=-kLEZVRaULbLkvR2LawO0r7_xZ83gAuHK8Gs8gsW7tvtgoEwKqe48rA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio So you are 80mi east of CFCO? Do you get anything in the night pattern at your location? Do you get the audio effect on any other AM stereo radio? John From dud31dud@yahoo.com Sun Apr 04 18:33:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dud31dud@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67838 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2010 01:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2010 01:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2010 01:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2010 01:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2010 01:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2010 01:33:38 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 01:33:38 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.227.158.107 From: "ograv31" Subject: Re: AM Stereo tremolo or warble X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=276726813; y=ShRD2DZ3NKC-qr5cYsrAv1XNpCw4M_cp2u1GSgDkS4JviOo X-Yahoo-Profile: ograv31 > > So you are 80mi east of CFCO? >YES > Do you get anything in the night pattern at your location?> AT 9:30PM EDS= T I CANNOT GET AN AM STEREO SIGNAL TONITE.=20 > Do you get the audio effect on any other AM stereo radio? > I CAN'T RECEI= VE ANY OTHER AM STEREO STATIONS, CAN YOU? Bob=20 From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Mon Apr 05 07:29:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37048 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2010 14:29:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2010 14:29:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2010 14:29:44 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.21.138] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100405092913101372200010.0) with SMTP id <20100405092913101372200010> for ; Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:29:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005801cad4cc$77636520$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: X-Source-Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 09:29:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:29:13 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo tremolo or warble X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=OCsFoP48oIKINORL4ZVTWxvDf22KoeGzvC0qscUWzPGupXSUUQzl X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, he's asking if you have another AM stereo radio to compare reception with. I'm thinking in somewhat the same lines that you may be getting some sort of interference and having a second AMS radio would either confirm or eliminate that possibility. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: ograv31 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 8:33 PM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo tremolo or warble > > Do you get the audio effect on any other AM stereo radio? > I CAN'T RECEIVE ANY OTHER AM STEREO STATIONS, CAN YOU? Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Tue Apr 06 01:23:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6085 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2010 08:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2010 08:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2010 08:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2010 08:23:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2010 08:23:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 08:23:37 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.62.227 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Stereophonic Sound Inside Our Brain X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=byiXxeRBr0lBp5lWLtjxUP1F7vu9B7HKb3i2PscSZX51tkcrjw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! I wonder if somebody knew some paper (free on the web) about if we can or n= ot to remember the sounds in the original stereo mode. It seems to me like we can remember from where each specific sound came but= we can't "hear" the remembered sound as an stereophonic recording as well,= but I'm not sure about this. Some idea? GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love From dud31dud@yahoo.com Tue Apr 06 04:51:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dud31dud@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 88886 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2010 11:51:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2010 11:51:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2010 11:51:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2010 11:48:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2010 11:48:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:48:01 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005801cad4cc$77636520$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.169.157 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.227.158.107 From: "ograv31" Subject: Re: AM Stereo tremolo or warble X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=276726813; y=vdAFnNt6rUUtweAjofYnLIhSxeYaQs8Fn05qm3Z5X48dRrM X-Yahoo-Profile: ograv31 My bad. I didn't read it correctly. No I just have the one AMS tuner. --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > No, he's asking if you have another AM stereo radio to compare reception = with. I'm thinking in somewhat the same lines that you may be getting some= sort of interference and having a second AMS radio would either confirm or= eliminate that possibility. >=20 > Scott > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: ograv31=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 8:33 PM > Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM Stereo tremolo or warble >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > Do you get the audio effect on any other AM stereo radio? > I CAN'T R= ECEIVE ANY OTHER AM STEREO STATIONS, CAN YOU? >=20 > Bob=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 07 22:23:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47953 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2010 05:23:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2010 05:23:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.187) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2010 05:23:00 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 41535 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2010 05:23:00 -0000 X-Received: from adsl-75-18-124-98.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net (jimsmith95650@75.18.124.98 with login) by smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Apr 2010 22:23:00 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: STy413UVM1mV7j72NnC8VFaaG671fGLelnUiXLKN2ho6UQNgxLleEuwaVLRWO89gWST96pMFkAp8Y8cN2Cj0VedR0wHKqLJrDQuCdMxU.1oJ9COuCq5eVPuLWUr59kKxyB6i_mZwp.Sfkl4KWsIgkeFQsHqgbdjz6NqqVuzCpy5WoYG4fynhkUf74UPiZopZmf4cIXZjdzply4zlnYbqPHMRoGxD3a3RP3BhyT33HzYWAFgqx5hTa_vAqjV5lKeovuDfIMd_c2K2WEbMmP4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 22:22:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.187 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=ZF7YyPAUZVPUpJX98tAmcilPaL-_ajKCOufqFychmlq0DTxMQPOfqUsXffnkOisj3KOHRQnf X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Gang Did'nt I read here or hear that the AM radio industry was thinking of droping iCrap becuase of public complaints because of the noise? And the industy was thinking of bring back AM STEREO? Jim Smith If so can't wait!!!!!!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Apr 08 14:01:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16703 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2010 21:01:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2010 21:01:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-db02.mx.aol.com) (205.188.91.96) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2010 21:01:23 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-db02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o38L1BvL013502 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 17:01:11 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.c70.54c2d2c1 (43980) for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2010 17:01:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d21.mail.aol.com (magic-d21.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.137]) by cia-dd04.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD045-abcc4bbe4412298; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:01:06 -0400 Message-ID: <6f739.4d37a9d7.38ef9e12@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 17:01:06 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.137 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.91.96 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=J70ikdiINlwR0bRw301Zzyc8_-A3DhPRkskMtK68eg547pvZ8KA2LL9T6YtNWG6J X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great news! I believe CQUAM is a good system. The basic L+R amplitude modulating the carrier while L-R phase modulating it scheme is solid. As to the Rube Goldberg method of establishing the relationship between the two, not so much. One would almost think a chip manufacturer developed that system in order to sell their proprietary ICs which was the only practical and economical way of decoding it. Nah, that can't possibly be true. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Thu Apr 08 16:04:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29460 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2010 23:04:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2010 23:04:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2010 23:04:11 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.23.73] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100408180329100710400011.0) with SMTP id <20100408180329100710400011> for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:03:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <007d01cad76f$d333a7c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <6f739.4d37a9d7.38ef9e12@aol.com> X-Source-Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 18:04:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:03:29 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=T65qoxh6TT2c4HBl4dJBHNyNCIJkpfuWsq-dOPU5uUkc3TM9dSXs X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe, but their cheap licensing of their technology they were able to best the other systems in terms of adoption. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 4:01 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? Great news! I believe CQUAM is a good system. The basic L+R amplitude modulating the carrier while L-R phase modulating it scheme is solid. As to the Rube Goldberg method of establishing the relationship between the two, not so much. One would almost think a chip manufacturer developed that system in order to sell their proprietary ICs which was the only practical and economical way of decoding it. Nah, that can't possibly be true. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Thu Apr 08 16:28:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25205 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2010 23:27:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2010 23:27:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2010 23:27:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 54633 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2010 23:27:56 -0000 Message-ID: <845949.54088.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 547fq.QVM1nid6vJvBMZlhHvkpZprlb8cHoafaK_ltItA1H QAoc6zAP1RcVKaK2g0Q_9zcnmFglBlGWf64h.6aulGRxagNBPzLcd3dk7Js8 8KduFA79dS391z082J3HpCnbTUXsXTBacuSr32Jv7DSk7x_53KdzxW4RNauv jlmBQec4J80678LvRz3odcza7Vk2ur90XGQ5Ft92JrbmA6bl6DeQShPjjgp1 gpJXJGQmv0oco7uHbbOzQHZvxl0UAGxHQNoejK3GR.H5bWeosw9_hyZUktHG ANAUAdwVQj8HRUTiOsTLnMJKVdicFsEvjlSVCI.IfZc792VMmy_L0FwjYvxP FBDEG1lv3SzGAR.eW3Afc9VhpM.D04FK9 X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 16:27:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 16:27:56 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=5x_zRThsP81Qu0T75sqL_Wse_Yo4laPxzA6Wb3UpFp1OyQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oy! =C2=A0I should live so long! =C2=A0Good to think they are actually list= ening to their REAL bosses, the LISTENERS, and maybe finally abandoning tha= t horrid bandwidth-hogging IPOOP.Here in the Detroit area, WJR has long dro= pped the "buzz 'n' hiss", but are yet to go back to stereo, or even wide mo= no. =C2=A0We have only CFCO for stereo (and they sound darn good!), or CKLW= for good high fidelity mono, but they are all talk these days. =C2=A0Too m= any other stations are still using the buzzer/hisser, and it is yet a long = way from being a DX-friendly area.Two nights ago, I was in my Dad's car, wh= ich has Ford's premium sound system in it, and could only get three station= s in stereo...CFCO, WLS, and KCJJ. =C2=A03 stereos out of dozens of good cl= ean and steady signals, that's pretty pathetic. =C2=A0Let us hope there IS = a resurgence of AM Stereo on the way...maybe this time it WILL give AM a bo= ost!G --- On Thu, 4/8/10, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 1:22 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Hi Gang Did'nt I read here or hear that the AM radio industry was = thinking of droping iCrap becuase of public complaints because of the noise= ? And the industy was thinking of bring back AM STEREO? Jim Smith If so ca= n't wait!!!!!!!! !!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 08 20:08:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43996 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 03:08:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 03:08:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.14.108) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 03:08:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 52717 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 03:08:37 -0000 X-Received: from adsl-75-57-250-182.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net (jimsmith95650@75.57.250.182 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Apr 2010 20:08:35 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: f9cQZ2gVM1l9MY7vsh3waPnpbyTKfyfEtxO7AH47OD7Dd2WxHvzXuRFNVyNYGk0__H1WMRduSHSe3IZlQhIwGLFAV7Ac6.uUQU6uxyeKnwmYo17d0obm4sLbRpsZ1oxZZaQQqA5m3gvDLbWizCEyIi8NzEdo96rMLlVN60cYLjxBbEEU7NcCAO6jd7eEqujhsyzg9ULh2HCyPxLJzWzG_qCQSiVrD8Ehs4nkGu1yJDMLM.hdjYfujT93qWt5CmrSpwX9xtX1_8MIM_ILnuYdO_CIfK6VifqI7u8zXAUmAM_iFahodWW_dq8UT79hypwWbuMvGbWKr0uYYkHlsONuS3U- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: Cc: "jim smith" References: <845949.54088.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 20:08:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.14.108 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=ZKhG9Dmw_6Z0iHUtO3UmR4PwPLVDmtg89289UdMmv1UalJqqPLfuErpD88wzR9blanHn-i8V X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi George I am hopeing for the same with 15khz day and 10 khz night. You g= et many more AM STEREO stations than i can get. The only AM STEREO statio= n i can get some times is KJUG AM STEREO 1270 thay go 1kw at night and that= makes it hard to get. KTNN AM 660 is still mono but at lease thay play mu= sic all night long and thay are hard for me to get on some nights. Week da= ys KUBA AM mono 1600 is a little weak but sounds good with good music. KA= HI AM mono 950 sounds great with oldies on the week ends . So thats my list= of station here neer Sacramento Ca. Jim Smith Loomis Ca ----- Original Message -----=20 From: george russell=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 4:27 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? =20=20=20=20 Oy! I should live so long! Good to think they are actually listening to= their REAL bosses, the LISTENERS, and maybe finally abandoning that horrid= bandwidth-hogging IPOOP.Here in the Detroit area, WJR has long dropped the= "buzz 'n' hiss", but are yet to go back to stereo, or even wide mono. We = have only CFCO for stereo (and they sound darn good!), or CKLW for good hig= h fidelity mono, but they are all talk these days. Too many other stations= are still using the buzzer/hisser, and it is yet a long way from being a D= X-friendly area.Two nights ago, I was in my Dad's car, which has Ford's pre= mium sound system in it, and could only get three stations in stereo...CFCO= , WLS, and KCJJ. 3 stereos out of dozens of good clean and steady signals,= that's pretty pathetic. Let us hope there IS a resurgence of AM Stereo on= the way...maybe this time it WILL give AM a boost!G --- On Thu, 4/8/10, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? To: "am stereo forum" Cc: "jim smith" Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 1:22 AM =20=20=20 Hi Gang Did'nt I read here or hear that the AM radio industry was thinkin= g of droping iCrap becuase of public complaints because of the noise? And t= he industy was thinking of bring back AM STEREO? Jim Smith If so can't wait= !!!!!!!! !!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Thu Apr 08 20:32:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 73799 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 03:31:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 03:31:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.79) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 03:31:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 48934 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2010 03:31:57 -0000 Message-ID: <320024.48900.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Qvz8_hIVM1mRMrlEafp3LdV3CVZCpetyp57kHlUH9_YDKjl CdRrOghYwZUtgF_uhSc4Vh6SbhUXn8ch4kahY4VSBjhKCZmSy2PbRmWnzrg6 7EH7M0AsTwuvjhgZShAXcvEKCoH_P28QXLjqg5NbtgapxWfov_iD8w7x2.8f cfxH6B86akaUAPQ_HGNFx.nBSNc7l7FO6a8MibEYWtIOnbNcCaXSF8WCMJcu RE_l1oTZBkGA5F50vgt_34K8csJnKNzS1A_nXGtUB.CjJMPJOUEX6w2lZ0GH ZJraWkyBE37NSYeF0G8XDgTA13ayrbCro8cXGmhST.4if87ZLeZb789Pw3Pr puyNo X-Received: from [209.213.19.15] by web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:31:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <845949.54088.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 20:31:57 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.79 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=Vpms0WLw6BGgyNDf9-UJZrGg9CbxMkFa7V_zPZeVqUM X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 15 kilohertz audio on the AM band is illegal. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: jim smith Hi George I am hopeing for the same with 15khz day and 10 khz night. You get many more AM STEREO stations than i can get. The only AM STEREO station i can get some times is KJUG AM STEREO 1270 thay go 1kw at night and that makes it hard to get. KTNN AM 660 is still mono but at lease thay play music all night long and thay are hard for me to get on some nights. Week days KUBA AM mono 1600 is a little weak but sounds good with good music. KAHI AM mono 950 sounds great with oldies on the week ends . So thats my list of station here neer Sacramento Ca. Jim Smith Loomis Ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 08 21:59:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37061 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 04:59:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 04:59:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.187) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 04:59:52 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 68298 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 04:59:52 -0000 X-Received: from adsl-75-57-250-182.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net (jimsmith95650@75.57.250.182 with login) by smtp128.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Apr 2010 21:59:51 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: 2E4gntgVM1k2qK0a52nZDTtbv3zUhKQMoXT.dJU5Yb7Ufsh2mS.QBxNodB.0zoizLRPGKhDIV2i0DtVxLPw.RgEDIWu1rWYan5mTfgmHyMvna_TQY_t3TLrVz4aEI48G2yGLd7KnrxE.sPVsmIuk3YMJMp7Pu8L8yAm3WRbo4rc2cjSyfFz01ch3gEqYrTJHqBuzFVtGCl1HsATa6WfpmtcHnbApxwE4RiMO_wUFBu62.dpMVzOm.Mvvq6Z6drdvD979AfgS6BS2Kzd5nZTuIOPGkdPai0M1CrAD9gqnTN_zU3vMr1c2AmL._WTIIEP4RgoysSyvBr5Kz77FXY9ij5A- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: References: <845949.54088.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <320024.48900.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 21:59:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.187 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=e9RCj_wmc3owEj41eOnAUsDqrE44YO5Tit4cGA1hrdHr9_eBvJ8Gse6qzAjemcXCB3dRoM_F X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Powell Of corse it would have to be aproved by the FCC again. Jim smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:31 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? 15 kilohertz audio on the AM band is illegal. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: jim smith Hi George I am hopeing for the same with 15khz day and 10 khz night. You get many more AM STEREO stations than i can get. The only AM STEREO station i can get some times is KJUG AM STEREO 1270 thay go 1kw at night and that makes it hard to get. KTNN AM 660 is still mono but at lease thay play music all night long and thay are hard for me to get on some nights. Week days KUBA AM mono 1600 is a little weak but sounds good with good music. KAHI AM mono 950 sounds great with oldies on the week ends . So thats my list of station here neer Sacramento Ca. Jim Smith Loomis Ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Thu Apr 08 22:03:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2829 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 05:03:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 05:03:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.169.203) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 05:03:06 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o39530Ke011151 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 01:03:00 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.def.168ebcc (43848) for ; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 01:02:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m17.mail.aol.com (magic-m17.mail.aol.com [172.21.147.70]) by cia-dc04.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC045-ab484bbeb50122f; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 01:02:57 -0400 Message-ID: <39f2.1bf7070c.38f00f01@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 01:02:57 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.147.70 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.169.203 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=qIzcn2WaMe9tGHVpvhI6Q_8kbHfvR8CVyxJ6bNwvheIBqJZ6k94UEonugPHs7Ene X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/2010 10:32:03 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > 15 kilohertz audio on the AM band is illegal. > I beg to differ. 15 khz audio above a certain level is illegal, at least how I read the rules. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 08 23:36:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4565 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 06:36:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 06:36:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 06:36:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2010 06:35:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2010 06:35:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 06:35:57 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39f2.1bf7070c.38f00f01@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.24.203.90 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=Sh1O0xo8Om_7f1bqg0Y9BZBTzy4wvx8bTNQIv6JPnGHqdLMI4JtA1_IQ-Mea8zNHCAuIhAgK X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/8/2010 10:32:03 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 > w4opw@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > 15 kilohertz audio on the AM band is illegal.=20 > >=20 >=20 > I beg to differ. 15 khz audio above a certain level is illegal, at least= =20 > how I read the rules. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi 15 khz was not inllegal back in the 1980's and it sounded great. Now i w= ould love it if the FCC brot that back along with AM STEREO. It sounded gre= at back in the day. If i had my choise about it would be 15khz day and 10k= hz at night and all music station would be AM STEREO.Talk and News would be= vintairery. Jim Smith From hanksmith5@gmail.com Thu Apr 08 23:47:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43154 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 06:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 06:47:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f182.google.com) (209.85.211.182) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 06:47:21 -0000 X-Received: by ywh12 with SMTP id 12so287343ywh.23 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 23:47:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.101.156.35 with SMTP id i35mr2027483ano.126.1270795639497; Thu, 08 Apr 2010 23:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (70-57-228-148.tcso.qwest.net [70.57.228.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm245195ywc.26.2010.04.08.23.47.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 08 Apr 2010 23:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1103EAC5F18A450AA5EC5916363B3720@mygateway> To: References: <6f739.4d37a9d7.38ef9e12@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 23:47:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.182 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=WJQbXZ7ado_Q9Ix6oDHLwrNMbpks5QMuX7MpWsRcVci_6uYAW4Pu X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how can we get all the stations to switch to it? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 2:01 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? Great news! I believe CQUAM is a good system. The basic L+R amplitude modulating the carrier while L-R phase modulating it scheme is solid. As to the Rube Goldberg method of establishing the relationship between the two, not so much. One would almost think a chip manufacturer developed that system in order to sell their proprietary ICs which was the only practical and economical way of decoding it. Nah, that can't possibly be true. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 09 00:16:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48723 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 07:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 07:16:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.65.186) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 07:16:15 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 18475 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 07:16:02 -0000 X-Received: from adsl-75-24-203-90.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net (jimsmith95650@75.24.203.90 with login) by smtp127.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Apr 2010 00:16:01 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: O5VjiL6swBDacqmFxR007K6.LcBG547X5tcPYhnzxM53ZtE22pdUgg-- X-YMail-OSG: QmK5cFgVM1m_F8Qzo.oNtyaJw4v2jY8GQL8hKmot9vKjUxvK.PBUXAQV9e2Os4J.slAZjoDD95vJ_0vjUh3Dxj.ZWQmHcZjube9WoEmBJ1DVGeKNHQnmIPAKvGfUVmzyU_nB7OpriTi.e1ZSAZHSExDFReqHDapFUYZcqm916xFKFmqpI8pYSKdlFpM40xknP9kIWYMtJPXGYyxyf4VPPsGcB557ReIqbWVpOprGmJ4c4rhSjSb9o2HZVKy31ZiAU3UE5Kuf_pKFgKPmHoaTWLTm7xBjY9MInjTlgtT6BFODZjCdUkC7HrBZnOm67wwGd2CED5S000OGcjkPohP3aNDufqmto6WlTA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: To: References: <6f739.4d37a9d7.38ef9e12@aol.com> <1103EAC5F18A450AA5EC5916363B3720@mygateway> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 00:15:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 69.147.65.186 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=FEGpNK_4TzkLcDkToIyIYbffOtoBOOW8BEyxIRGEuYqlVpq22QvgEZyhq7J3q6wUcd_zrlEw X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hank Keep complaining to the broadcasters and the FCC all the broadcasteres forums any thing to do with braodcasting. Jim Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:47 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? how can we get all the stations to switch to it? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 2:01 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? Great news! I believe CQUAM is a good system. The basic L+R amplitude modulating the carrier while L-R phase modulating it scheme is solid. As to the Rube Goldberg method of establishing the relationship between the two, not so much. One would almost think a chip manufacturer developed that system in order to sell their proprietary ICs which was the only practical and economical way of decoding it. Nah, that can't possibly be true. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Apr 09 07:14:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36827 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 14:14:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 14:14:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.85) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 14:14:51 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 47609 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2010 14:14:51 -0000 Message-ID: <167409.47414.qm@web112007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: rHPPCi4VM1l7cXyFoQVSoDOwkrAW1_.ODEv.ZJU.wYgcHN8 9bHyvGUj0.E4xBt5.JX5b1Ubcybccz6ahs5ffz7XkHVv5WsxHNIBIFEAal84 PMgSOhIL9fKOHX1bmK07KNfVOOXfBIWuDfUCk040q_d8tyRIOjzhKr0V_SCA hObOVzG9x0mcauOGVI54t3vZpobKGELT8v6kY1FnTvpDThxRI.jxFa9EKQ8i EKqpAktsnYOZUlpq5WwObwuqeHm.31ufR_3Bj8AcjRyqMZsLoXLzm_24ShqX ckarXPhWp3CY7H_eWcTBJ4da.0Lqpi_ZXYXWPrUBRYuhuV1Jnr5fzDM6akLa pRyRH X-Received: from [209.213.19.85] by web112007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:14:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <6f739.4d37a9d7.38ef9e12@aol.com> <1103EAC5F18A450AA5EC5916363B3720@mygateway> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 07:14:50 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1103EAC5F18A450AA5EC5916363B3720@mygateway> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.85 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=bRW1JZinxUM07qDSbmHK_tWroeebwHCl2T_RAKe_Jms X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. You can't. 2. You are not going to get all stations to switch. 3. The FCC isn't going to change things back. 4. There are almost no radios that can handle this bandwith, much less full 10 kilohertz NRSC. 5. Radio manufacturers, aren't going to make any.....uh, er..... it's hard enough to just find *A* R A D I O these days. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 2:47:16 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? how can we get all the stations to switch to it? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 2:01 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? Great news! I believe CQUAM is a good system. The basic L+R amplitude modulating the carrier while L-R phase modulating it scheme is solid. As to the Rube Goldberg method of establishing the relationship between the two, not so much. One would almost think a chip manufacturer developed that system in order to sell their proprietary ICs which was the only practical and economical way of decoding it. Nah, that can't possibly be true. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Fri Apr 09 07:21:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84842 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 14:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 14:21:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.79) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 14:21:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 89041 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2010 14:20:03 -0000 Message-ID: <465745.87263.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: C0Thl.0VM1lQD2SVcPvDUE25K5LBkXDgzl4STzsC4q7BpYU TucEFbBEhuOq_Ri0UUEjMQINsKHjZwDuWU8MOfHN6KhoSVvMd5vjenliFG4E y_xxrIPWN6CV9q4i9ReQJvplZBwa_zrth5AKMjiA52AAgI8RSaeW1jTFSUue 4XQq7uBts69GP.82QJsZzQDGuNk4CUSB9YbRX4gsCfmK3VnlVET.XQEFcQbz aKdG3MpocTPVrKabaz.djgcB3_ax9sVQ4WCDj6YE7h45PsyV6s3om41t7jjU DeIaaxqjBQG14p4BZFVQToGSSv.i067cc84bpB2IJh2bKwiKCUlOnOTA8mWa L5d6L X-Received: from [209.213.19.85] by web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 07:20:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 07:20:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.79 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=0evzFbe0tdheC-TBGmssp1jHu8SIxPBCz7HkoZnrJWc X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. I have heard no such thing. 2. "The industry" has neither thought of dropping iHiss, nor considered bringing back AM stereo. 3. For those who think DRM has a future, it has very similar faults. It works on shortwave if you have exceptionally strong signals free from deep selective fading and there is no interference from other stations. How often does that happen on short wave? Not very often. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: jim smith To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 1:22:58 AM Subject: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? Hi Gang Did'nt I read here or hear that the AM radio industry was thinking of droping iCrap becuase of public complaints because of the noise? And the industy was thinking of bring back AM STEREO? Jim Smith If so can't wait!!!!!!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Apr 09 11:26:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52025 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 18:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 18:26:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f171.google.com) (209.85.221.171) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 18:26:21 -0000 X-Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1so3728138qyk.15 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:26:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.225.7 with SMTP id iq7mr477816qcb.26.1270837565741; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x34sm2096679qce.9.2010.04.09.11.26.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BBF2A36.2090304@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:23:02 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <845949.54088.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <320024.48900.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <320024.48900.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.171 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=L-cU8SEgmIZIIA8BB-dUs2aE007GE5eTl9O3RhXw9N_79qFynt46Fvn3mX85xw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/8/2010 11:31 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > 15 kilohertz audio on the AM band is illegal. > Yea, but i know a BUNCH of stations that do it! LOL For the record, WQIZ is limited to 5 kHz and WCKI is limited to 9 kHz. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 09 12:55:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27536 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 19:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 19:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 19:55:00 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2010 19:54:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2010 19:54:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 19:54:51 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <167409.47414.qm@web112007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.51.38 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=xFYWe2rgrNLpHN5qtFHGmJLYYpE5mIIyGTi9jQoyg2viSZGBbQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I HAVE THE SOLUTION!!! It is a terrible solution but... IT WORKS!!! Guess which was the best seller device in the last month here in Chile (aft= er the mega earthquake)... THE OLD STANDARD BATTERY ANALOG RADIO TUNER, WITH AM!!!!!!! Why? Because: 1) Cellular phones didn't work. 2) Digital media (Internet, etc.) didn't work. 3) The power electric lines collapsed so... there wasn't electricity almost= all over the country!!! 4) The only one operative service was... THE OLD ANALOG BROADCASTING RADIOS= (AM and FM) AND TV CHANNELS (here we still have analog NTSC service). Of c= ourse, the old radio ham service was operative all the time. We could know = about the first, and second, and third tsunami waves because a brave ham fr= om "Constituci=F3n" (one of the very devastated cities near the central ear= thquake point), even the fact the local goverment didn't know about this (t= hey didn't have direct communication with the sea coast zone because the ce= llphones weren't operative, it was a very exasperating situation). SO... The solution is a very huge, mega, earthquake in the area of the FCC = central office!!! Then they will understand (maybe) what important and serv= iceable is the old analog radio communication system. Of course, it is a pity that office is in a very crowd area. Maybe we could= invite the FCC people to Chile to learn about this problem, "in situ". GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope (and some = aftershocks from time to time). --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wrote= : > > 1. You can't. > 2. You are not going to get all stations to switch.=20 > 3. The FCC isn't going to change things back.=20 > 4. There are almost no radios that can handle this bandwith, much less f= ull 10 kilohertz NRSC.=20 > 5. Radio manufacturers, aren't going to ma= ke any.....uh, er..... it's hard enough to just find *A* R A D I O t= hese days. >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: hank smith > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 2:47:16 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? >=20 > how can we get all the stations to switch to it? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: mjgrant@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > Great news! >=20 > I believe CQUAM is a good system. The basic L+R amplitude modulating th= e=20 > carrier while L-R phase modulating it scheme is solid. As to the Rube=20 > Goldberg method of establishing the relationship between the two, not s= o much.=20 > One would almost think a chip manufacturer developed that system in ord= er to=20 > sell their proprietary ICs which was the only practical and economical = way of=20 > decoding it. >=20 > Nah, that can't possibly be true. >=20 > Mike >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Apr 09 13:19:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9945 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 20:19:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 20:19:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f200.google.com) (209.85.222.200) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 20:19:19 -0000 X-Received: by pzk38 with SMTP id 38so1893607pzk.25 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:19:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.131.13 with SMTP id i13mr1043057rvn.121.1270844358723; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (70-57-228-148.tcso.qwest.net [70.57.228.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g14sm775733rvb.17.2010.04.09.13.19.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <524AB03D1B474D0FB6D281C7FAD478E8@mygateway> To: References: <6f739.4d37a9d7.38ef9e12@aol.com> <1103EAC5F18A450AA5EC5916363B3720@mygateway> <167409.47414.qm@web112007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:19:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.222.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=j69OHL-WMpNxX0BrCVjPMxFYx-X4nRBMysqGDgCwjpERzTpSdGft X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit then what is the point if it even making a comback? ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:14 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? 1. You can't. 2. You are not going to get all stations to switch. 3. The FCC isn't going to change things back. 4. There are almost no radios that can handle this bandwith, much less full 10 kilohertz NRSC. 5. Radio manufacturers, aren't going to make any.....uh, er..... it's hard enough to just find *A* R A D I O these days. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 2:47:16 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? how can we get all the stations to switch to it? ----- Original Message ----- From: mjgrant@aol.com To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 2:01 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? Great news! I believe CQUAM is a good system. The basic L+R amplitude modulating the carrier while L-R phase modulating it scheme is solid. As to the Rube Goldberg method of establishing the relationship between the two, not so much. One would almost think a chip manufacturer developed that system in order to sell their proprietary ICs which was the only practical and economical way of decoding it. Nah, that can't possibly be true. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Apr 09 13:21:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2913 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 20:21:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 20:21:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f50.google.com) (209.85.160.50) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 20:21:10 -0000 X-Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so3501016pwj.37 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:21:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.108.5 with SMTP id k5mr1040511rvm.66.1270844470201; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (70-57-228-148.tcso.qwest.net [70.57.228.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o38sm776382rvp.9.2010.04.09.13.21.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5EBC44A6CE6D4FABB85A141C8B1B2261@mygateway> To: References: <465745.87263.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:21:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.50 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=0ZgGxcmM1n3354lY6aFC33xBcW7srGwesVtsnGZCZkY-Qlqbc-B8 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit and hd is supposed to be beter? hell we mise well go dab oh wait I forgot we cant cause the stupid us has to be friggen different. sorry not having a good day and little things like this get to me. how we has to be different then every body else europe has dab, drm, we have this hd crap well its good but no one else has it tell you what if I was ever given a chance to move to uk I would jump at it. I am rambling sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:20 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? 1. I have heard no such thing. 2. "The industry" has neither thought of dropping iHiss, nor considered bringing back AM stereo. 3. For those who think DRM has a future, it has very similar faults. It works on shortwave if you have exceptionally strong signals free from deep selective fading and there is no interference from other stations. How often does that happen on short wave? Not very often. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: jim smith To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 1:22:58 AM Subject: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? Hi Gang Did'nt I read here or hear that the AM radio industry was thinking of droping iCrap becuase of public complaints because of the noise? And the industy was thinking of bring back AM STEREO? Jim Smith If so can't wait!!!!!!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Apr 09 13:32:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93949 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 20:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 20:32:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f171.google.com) (74.125.83.171) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 20:32:02 -0000 X-Received: by pvh11 with SMTP id 11so2255474pvh.30 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:31:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.101.17 with SMTP id d17mr1051047rvm.30.1270845100510; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (70-57-228-148.tcso.qwest.net [70.57.228.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2sm782429rvn.6.2010.04.09.13.31.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0319DD89F5D343808791745975CC96C7@mygateway> To: References: <845949.54088.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <320024.48900.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BBF2A36.2090304@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:31:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.171 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=2lxOZy7oAPo5ySmkApIbAxch_4evt80ROG40jCtDPcjq-L4mWbFZ X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit any one know what ktuc runs at? that tucson nastelga station has allways seems a bit wide Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 6:23 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? On 4/8/2010 11:31 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > 15 kilohertz audio on the AM band is illegal. > Yea, but i know a BUNCH of stations that do it! LOL For the record, WQIZ is limited to 5 kHz and WCKI is limited to 9 kHz. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Apr 09 13:36:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80037 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 20:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 20:35:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f42.google.com) (209.85.160.42) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 20:35:55 -0000 X-Received: by pwi8 with SMTP id 8so3326573pwi.29 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:35:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.187.15 with SMTP id o15mr1096953rvp.172.1270845354380; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (70-57-228-148.tcso.qwest.net [70.57.228.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2sm785723rvn.18.2010.04.09.13.35.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <05AF6770E7BC4A50859A1ABCB0B603E3@mygateway> To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:35:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=EBbsTMmbPCbg5FmKHBjaCT6VLjNLzK1S5uDHVVwXEFTBWSvUAhob X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like that idea totally ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jotape1960=20 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 12:54 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? =20=20=20=20 I HAVE THE SOLUTION!!! It is a terrible solution but... IT WORKS!!! Guess which was the best seller device in the last month here in Chile (a= fter the mega earthquake)... THE OLD STANDARD BATTERY ANALOG RADIO TUNER, WITH AM!!!!!!! Why? Because: 1) Cellular phones didn't work. 2) Digital media (Internet, etc.) didn't work. 3) The power electric lines collapsed so... there wasn't electricity almo= st all over the country!!! 4) The only one operative service was... THE OLD ANALOG BROADCASTING RADI= OS (AM and FM) AND TV CHANNELS (here we still have analog NTSC service). Of= course, the old radio ham service was operative all the time. We could kno= w about the first, and second, and third tsunami waves because a brave ham = from "Constituci=F3n" (one of the very devastated cities near the central e= arthquake point), even the fact the local goverment didn't know about this = (they didn't have direct communication with the sea coast zone because the = cellphones weren't operative, it was a very exasperating situation). SO... The solution is a very huge, mega, earthquake in the area of the FC= C central office!!! Then they will understand (maybe) what important and se= rviceable is the old analog radio communication system. Of course, it is a pity that office is in a very crowd area. Maybe we cou= ld invite the FCC people to Chile to learn about this problem, "in situ". GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope (and som= e aftershocks from time to time). --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, "Powell E. Way III" wro= te: > > 1. You can't. > 2. You are not going to get all stations to switch.=20 > 3. The FCC isn't going to change things back.=20 > 4. There are almost no radios that can handle this bandwith, much less = full 10 kilohertz NRSC.=20 > 5. Radio manufacturers, aren't going to ma= ke any.....uh, er..... it's hard enough to just find *A* R A D I O these da= ys. >=20 > Powell >=20 >=20 > NNNN=20 > POP email is powell at backroads DOT net >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: hank smith > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 2:47:16 AM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? >=20 > how can we get all the stations to switch to it? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: mjgrant@...=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Great news! >=20 > I believe CQUAM is a good system. The basic L+R amplitude modulating th= e=20 > carrier while L-R phase modulating it scheme is solid. As to the Rube=20 > Goldberg method of establishing the relationship between the two, not s= o much.=20 > One would almost think a chip manufacturer developed that system in ord= er to=20 > sell their proprietary ICs which was the only practical and economical = way of=20 > decoding it. >=20 > Nah, that can't possibly be true. >=20 > Mike >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------ >=20 > Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Fri Apr 09 13:51:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28140 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 20:51:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 20:51:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f178.google.com) (74.125.83.178) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 20:51:22 -0000 X-Received: by pvg4 with SMTP id 4so2114411pvg.9 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:51:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.133.1 with SMTP id k1mr493165wfn.120.1270846282154; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm418091yxd.62.2010.04.09.13.51.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BBF9348.8050803@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:51:20 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <845949.54088.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <320024.48900.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BBF2A36.2090304@gmail.com> <0319DD89F5D343808791745975CC96C7@mygateway> In-Reply-To: <0319DD89F5D343808791745975CC96C7@mygateway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.178 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=wnrCiNPsVWMqI6tRmO4DGrsAqlYZx_ogzRRtm8Qzb3u_onYYwqogIAX1tZy8QA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/9/2010 4:31 PM, hank smith wrote: > any one know what ktuc runs at? > that tucson nastelga station has allways seems a bit wide > They should be in compliance with NRSC Standards, or they are risking being Fined by the FCC. If they are over-modulating, that can make them splatter. Also, with so many stations running at low bandwidths, a Station that is using the maximum allowed Bandwidth will sound much wider than the others. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Fri Apr 09 14:02:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49114 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 21:02:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 21:02:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pw0-f48.google.com) (209.85.160.48) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 21:02:29 -0000 X-Received: by mail-pw0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 7so3124916pwi.35 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:02:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.88.1 with SMTP id q1mr1082247rvl.198.1270846949416; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (70-57-228-148.tcso.qwest.net [70.57.228.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p1sm799669rvq.4.2010.04.09.14.02.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2928E25543AE4DF8A2E24AC5802BD671@mygateway> To: References: <845949.54088.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <320024.48900.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BBF2A36.2090304@gmail.com> <0319DD89F5D343808791745975CC96C7@mygateway> <4BBF9348.8050803@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 14:02:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.160.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=wdj-W5irSJkrIaRyuiPtoBm9KMi5fm2uXSugUcNjcOYzwXFBcGmq X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it sounds great on my am stereo rig even though its in mono can I send a audio sample of this station? its ktuc 1400 Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? On 4/9/2010 4:31 PM, hank smith wrote: > any one know what ktuc runs at? > that tucson nastelga station has allways seems a bit wide > They should be in compliance with NRSC Standards, or they are risking being Fined by the FCC. If they are over-modulating, that can make them splatter. Also, with so many stations running at low bandwidths, a Station that is using the maximum allowed Bandwidth will sound much wider than the others. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Fri Apr 09 14:26:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 89276 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 21:26:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 21:26:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 21:26:20 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 50694 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2010 21:26:19 -0000 Message-ID: <239254.50285.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5wXmIncVM1nIWassh7Lb19lukBIqFRcIZ2fFc93bknmM0bD IBRsSdPslNoQ2ilZzNlGlZ3VuTqukH3L2PJWK46rppMymkjlHYq3K8U4IqiO Yq9gx0hSZnJ7BVEoci8yVvRZpWRFACEZrlnRjGr_z7qFcDQsndqgaNvSwtu8 VFX5lYBjnOiMUqUPM9_HA4hV_zMk8PO5eseAVxindP5w0wJvl711hyOUZtmW v7Ou32F7.X7yCEyy0Vetg2CBS64ouemHrOdU1vcRbye1IPp4qtqtJF_tS7h8 NYXOcP.zsTZcFcO62fOd0c3amS1PlGf4VnNsT8FbP3wRzeIip6YUuGsxKuOC HZfH5XN.7GyIpBzHSaOep_LeLsJ5h X-Received: from [76.226.80.72] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:26:19 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 14:26:19 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <2928E25543AE4DF8A2E24AC5802BD671@mygateway> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=DOQ6egGVUdX22VR_o4KIHqX_n834JeHkZI0u9M0QYBtqIA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh wait a minute...it's OK for IBOC to take up five channels, but analog mu= st be confined to the NRSC curve?=C2=A0 When did the NRSC curve become actu= al law?=C2=A0 As for radios that can handle the bandwidth, SOME can, but they are rare an= d usually dedicated AM-only receivers.=C2=A0 I have a small Sony AM portabl= e that has a very nice passband, and it is one of those cheepo rigs that ha= s just one chip in it, no discrete transistors, and uses a ceramic filter a= nd one IF transformer.=C2=A0 The difference between WJR and CKLW audio is h= uge, even to my tired ears. On the other hand, some very expensive receivers tend to put all the qualit= y into the FM band, and leave the AM sounding pathetic. I've probably said it before, but it is time to retire the diode detector a= nd the superhet both, and go with direct-conversion (zero IF) receivers.=C2= =A0 I have built a couple simple ones, and the sound quality is astounding = WHEN the station transmits it that way.=C2=A0 he technoilogy is allready us= ed in cell phones, surely it can be adapted to AM? G --- On Fri, 4/9/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 9, 2010, 5:02 PM =C2=A0=20 it sounds great on my am stereo rig even though its in mono can I send a audio sample of this station? its ktuc 1400 Hank ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kj4hyd=20 To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com=20 Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? On 4/9/2010 4:31 PM, hank smith wrote: > any one know what ktuc runs at? > that tucson nastelga station has allways seems a bit wide >=20 They should be in compliance with NRSC Standards, or they are risking=20 being Fined by the FCC. If they are over-modulating, that can make them=20 splatter. Also, with so many stations running at low bandwidths, a=20 Station that is using the maximum allowed Bandwidth will sound much=20 wider than the others. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From scottn0bst@usfamily.net Fri Apr 09 15:30:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: scottn0bst@usfamily.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85618 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2010 22:30:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2010 22:30:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.usfamily.net) (64.131.63.3) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2010 22:30:35 -0000 X-Received: from [64.131.24.221] by usfamily.net (USFamily MTA v3.20100409173000101008900011.0) with SMTP id <20100409173000101008900011> for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:30:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from scottn0bst@usfamily.net, authenticated user scottn0bst@usfamily.net) Message-ID: <005e01cad834$512293c0$d503fea9@stodd> To: References: <465745.87263.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBC44A6CE6D4FABB85A141C8B1B2261@mygateway> X-Source-Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 17:30:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:30:00 -0500 (CDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Originating-IP: 64.131.63.3 From: Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=320053653; y=b8eca8F8KWrcgU6KQI526jM-OQu6qTZYQbRQ97fUMmXP5fsIKWa6 X-Yahoo-Profile: amstereodude Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HD has been adopted by a number of countries- Malaysia, Mexico, and Brazil, IIRC. It's also being tested in a number of other countries in Europe and South America. And as Powell said, DRM has many of the same problems. AFAIK there is no digital/analog hybrid in the DRM system, though it could be done but you'd have the same problems we have now. BTW- be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? and hd is supposed to be beter? hell we mise well go dab oh wait I forgot we cant cause the stupid us has to be friggen different. sorry not having a good day and little things like this get to me. how we has to be different then every body else europe has dab, drm, we have this hd crap well its good but no one else has it tell you what if I was ever given a chance to move to uk I would jump at it. I am rambling sorry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Fri Apr 09 20:21:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 362 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2010 03:21:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2010 03:21:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2010 03:21:34 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2010 03:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Apr 2010 03:21:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 03:21:31 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005e01cad834$512293c0$d503fea9@stodd> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.156 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.50.195 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=k4nwoCL3XnDmA4dfyX2LJ3Sglc1wUa-uS2g0ZVwdEKnh85fciw X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 I can see the HD as a "death before born" invention. I wonder: Why the listener will feel some love to something which isn't bet= ter than the today technology and more expensive than the today devices? ??= ? C-QUAM is, unfortunately, the only one legal AM Stereo system in USA, Canad= a and Japan (and I guess in other countries, too), but it doesn't mean it i= s the best technology. In fact, we can't use C-QUAM in SW bands. The best, I insist, is the ISB AM Stereo (filtered side bands aproach with = a little help from the digital domain world to get the best filtering). The best thing from the ISB AM Stereo is we can use it in any band!!! The only one problem is... HOW TO CONVINCE THE TXs AND TUNER MANUFACTURERS?= ??? I know it is cruel, but a mega catastrophe teachs us some very good lessons= to learn: 1) WITHOUT ELECTRIC POWER, A LOT OF THINGS FAIL (we need a quickly way to s= elf-generated power to our TXs) 2) AN OLD STANDARD BATTERY ANALOG TUNER WAS ALL YOU NEED TO TUNE SOME STATI= ON AND KNOW ABOUT THE STATE OF THE COUNTRY (I could get more fresh news fro= m the Argentine AM stations than any other source, and all with my old Phil= ips DC888 AM Stereo tuner with my car battery as electric power source). 3) DIGITAL IS SO GOOD INSIDE A FULL CONTROLLED AND SECURE WORLD, NOT IN LW,= MW AND SW BANDS (without the full network of cellphones repeaters operativ= e, we can't use the digital "XXI Century jewel", the digital cellphone). 4) THE OLD RADIO HAM SERVICE ALWAYS WORKS SO FINE (remember it is analog Si= ngle SideBand, very close to the ISB AM Stereo). SO... dear friends, I vote to the analog ISB AM STEREO. LONG LIFE TO THE ANALOG RADIO!!! GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > HD has been adopted by a number of countries- Malaysia, Mexico, and Brazi= l, IIRC. It's also being tested in a number of other countries in Europe a= nd South America. And as Powell said, DRM has many of the same problems. = AFAIK there is no digital/analog hybrid in the DRM system, though it could = be done but you'd have the same problems we have now. >=20 > BTW- be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. >=20 > Scott >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: hank smith=20 > To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com=20 > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 3:21 PM > Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? >=20 >=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 > and hd is supposed to be beter? > hell we mise well go dab > oh wait I forgot we cant cause the stupid us has to be friggen differen= t. > sorry not having a good day and little things like this get to me. > how we has to be different then every body else > europe has dab, drm, we have this hd crap well its good but no one else= has it > tell you what if I was ever given a chance to move to uk I would jump a= t it. > I am rambling sorry >=20 >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sat Apr 10 07:57:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33228 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2010 14:57:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2010 14:57:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2010 14:57:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 84613 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2010 14:57:09 -0000 Message-ID: <291278.84099.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: q28Qv3QVM1kp8n0Grp8EawYk7xhye4K6ExOB6ejWSX3UuzvKttQaGwKS2OMd8jIBvRvARKzsatNbTJ9mSVS7_dZ9gHe8nb3TfF7sbrc1TQ4Ri5HRFAlgi0qlxUPX4o5apEgR7gq9lTlmbEjFS7MCeXkrZtV2Nd9QY0GczsdGJLbytCurXXUxyH5dP9VtMBAcstr0fjzJhgCHxgPYsy1qVFLLHiMnk_U6n6Y2.ywl_kAS2ccUx._nYHcgaZcypktusqQ27CE7DOcm3BK.mz9omYrYoBYu5wLFbHjXzCIGBaNYkdwnIKSPdorP4ejdqtMP64hXHqdfWcZhfRCeiSLk2E7sag-- X-Received: from [71.162.87.157] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 07:57:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 07:57:09 -0700 (PDT) To: AMSF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 From: JNR Subject: KLOG status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=aQr8TZCEJve9XtldtziPEd8bQIpbaACjSw2bIIQyx34TeurQCd3t X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone confirm KLOG's status as a stereo station?=A0 Someone on Wikiped= ia added them & I hope it's true! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Apr 10 10:55:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 6301 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2010 17:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2010 17:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2010 17:55:04 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3AHsoLV016130 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:54:51 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e1e.935667 (43900) for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:54:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m22.mail.aol.com (magic-m22.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.195]) by cia-dc06.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC065-ab7c4bc0bb68c6; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:54:48 -0400 Message-ID: <531cc.726c86be.38f21568@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:54:48 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.195 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=WOrBgVXGukYy2PBWBqgkARQCnq3cmj_Kx_iepchjsXP2aseaN-blMu2m9-zPd0dv X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/9/2010 3:51:27 PM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > They should be in compliance with NRSC Standar Is NRSC standards explicited incorporated in Part 73 or just implied by "Good Engineering Practice"? I consider audio bandwidth beyond 10khz to be a non-issue. For its proponents, as has been mentioned, there aren't any receivers I know that can take advantage of it. For its detractors, in ordinary program material, there typically isn't enough content to cause a station in good order to exceed the FCC bandwidth requirement. So brickwall if you want, or not. The most common reason for excessive bandwidth is negative overmodulation or transmitter problems which cause excessive distortion. These occur downstream from any audio processing, so filtering wouldn't help. To my knowledge, with the possible exception of BE's "4Q" system, even the newest transmitters cannot do distortionless downward modulation in excess of 100%. They simply clip and that produces high order harmonic artifacts of program content that is within the normal AM audio range. Do anyone know of a station cited just for transmitting full spectrum audio? Some transmitters must employ a brickwall filter if they have low sampling rate digitizers to prevent aliasing. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Apr 10 11:09:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58226 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2010 18:09:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2010 18:09:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-mb02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.207.163) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2010 18:09:24 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3AI9FKr013971 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:09:16 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.e14.93bc0f (56012) for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:09:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m22.mail.aol.com (magic-m22.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.195]) by cia-md07.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD076-dacc4bc0bec6202; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:09:10 -0400 Message-ID: <53b75.905c6e0.38f218c6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:09:10 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.195 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.207.163 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FxqrhoBTS1KVgmtX0iRrrx3VqRDN41x71WqO6muEsp5POZh5P6AhWsb83He_Q7mZ X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/9/2010 4:26:29 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > As for radios that can handle the bandwidth, SOME can, but they are rare > and usually dedicated AM-only receivers. Ironically, the ones I know of are very old tube tuners. They had to employ "whistle" notch filters to reduce 10khz heterodyning which occurs between adjacent distant stations. Most people my age can't heard anything above 10khz if that high. I suspect younger folks who regularly attend clubs or concerts can't either. With that said, I see no reason, other than anti-aliasing, to filter audio. If one was really paranoid about it, a multiband compressor, which most modern ones are, could be set to kick back the overall gain if the level above 10khz was sufficient to violate FCC spectrum rules. My guess it would never trigger unless the station had a format that catered to high level sine wave enthusiasts. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sat Apr 10 12:13:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64081 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2010 19:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2010 19:13:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f172.google.com) (209.85.221.172) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2010 19:13:27 -0000 X-Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so1596778qyk.0 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:13:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.33.82 with SMTP id g18mr676468qad.102.1270926806854; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [4.154.35.117] (dialup-4.154.35.117.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.35.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm5738195qwe.12.2010.04.10.12.13.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 10 Apr 2010 12:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BC0CDD2.5050008@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 15:13:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Cc: mjgrant@aol.com References: <531cc.726c86be.38f21568@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <531cc.726c86be.38f21568@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.172 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=XzDyBD1DqkD74MR2PQ7gYqLRKyimXfVlKDcn4wkYan2BSZIiatlS5L8wUQ8xjA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/10/2010 1:54 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > Is NRSC standards explicited incorporated in Part 73 or just implied > by "Good Engineering Practice"? Part 73.44 -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From hanksmith5@gmail.com Sat Apr 10 14:49:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20885 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2010 21:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2010 21:48:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yx0-f179.google.com) (209.85.210.179) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2010 21:48:55 -0000 X-Received: by yxe9 with SMTP id 9so2280244yxe.29 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:48:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.235.11 with SMTP id i11mr3711549anh.128.1270936135527; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (70-57-228-148.tcso.qwest.net [70.57.228.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm700874ywh.33.2010.04.10.14.48.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0A040F55D70F4397A63F2D2C34C4FAA2@mygateway> To: References: <291278.84099.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:48:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 209.85.210.179 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} KLOG status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=ezrru4YonL7903kj0tyKRgbl9c7byrabU-b9Z7roczDMq2qU-DP1 X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit last I heard they are am stereo ----- Original Message ----- From: JNR To: AMSF Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 7:57 AM Subject: {AMSF} KLOG status Can anyone confirm KLOG's status as a stereo station? Someone on Wikipedia added them & I hope it's true! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Apr 10 16:28:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38167 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2010 23:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Apr 2010 23:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da04.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.146) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2010 23:28:30 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3ANSPlw014648 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:28:25 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.cc6.69f4c5b3 (56012) for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:28:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m22.mail.aol.com (magic-m22.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.195]) by cia-md07.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD076-dacc4bc10995272; Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:28:21 -0400 Message-ID: <5f09c.cf6c8a8.38f26395@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:28:21 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.195 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.146 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=GW406FneICkHtBDqHg3A7R_4apvliF6CdGAEUvSbU5WQY-yCV6RsF05r8Tm24XCN X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks. As I read the regulation, the allowable emissions between 10 to 20 khz are the same as they have always been. The first section deals with demonstration of compliance. The second section states the technical requirement. I would suggest there is simply not enough actual program material content in that spectrum to exceed the imposed limitation. That is, 25dB below the unmodulated carrier. Keep in mind, each sideband is 6dB down from the unmodulated carrier to begin with at 100% modulation. Assuming nothing in the frequency range from 10 to 20 khz exceeds 10% of the aggregate peak program level, there is no problem. If you know of some program material in which there is sufficient content within any 300hz band in the 10 to 20khz spectrum in which the peak level exceeds 10% of aggregate, I'd like to hear it. There is nothing in the regulation that requires compliance with the NRSC-1 standard nor limits the frequecy response a transmitter can have. Compliance with the NRSC-1 standard is considered an alternative means of demonstrating compliance, not a requirement in itself. If ordinary program material contained significant content above 10khz, the pre-emphasis used in FM broadcasting would not be practical. At least in my opinion. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 10 20:40:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48882 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2010 03:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2010 03:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2010 03:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2010 03:40:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2010 03:40:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:40:48 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5f09c.cf6c8a8.38f26395@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.160 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 75.16.135.117 From: "jim smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=364979611; y=bfSf2pnFKamc_9o5SpN-a3Ga9XNOm3cSUkBD1TzKYGrBwmxf3F7LpqZJPqFmB9_J7dVCs3dm X-Yahoo-Profile: jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Thanks. >=20 > As I read the regulation, the allowable emissions between 10 to 20 khz ar= e=20 > the same as they have always been.=20=20 >=20 > The first section deals with demonstration of compliance. The second=20 > section states the technical requirement. I would suggest there is simpl= y not=20 > enough actual program material content in that spectrum to exceed the imp= osed=20 > limitation. That is, 25dB below the unmodulated carrier. Keep in mind,= =20 > each sideband is 6dB down from the unmodulated carrier to begin with at = 100%=20 > modulation. Assuming nothing in the frequency range from 10 to 20 khz=20 > exceeds 10% of the aggregate peak program level, there is no problem. If= you know=20 > of some program material in which there is sufficient content within any= =20 > 300hz band in the 10 to 20khz spectrum in which the peak level exceeds 10= % of=20 > aggregate, I'd like to hear it. >=20 > There is nothing in the regulation that requires compliance with the NRSC= -1=20 > standard nor limits the frequecy response a transmitter can have.=20=20 > Compliance with the NRSC-1 standard is considered an alternative means of= =20 > demonstrating compliance, not a requirement in itself. >=20 > If ordinary program material contained significant content above 10khz, t= he=20 > pre-emphasis used in FM broadcasting would not be practical. >=20 > At least in my opinion. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang Ok no one here on this forum remebers back in the 80's when broadc= asters use 15khz transmitions. Well me and Chris Cuff remembers because his= Part 15 A.L TX's go's out to 14khz and he sais and his paper work sais to.= Jim Smith From mjgrant@aol.com Sat Apr 10 21:10:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 91325 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2010 04:10:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2010 04:10:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma04.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.42) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2010 04:10:52 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3B4Aknl012660 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:10:46 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.da8.42ee6cf (34990) for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:10:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m24.mail.aol.com (magic-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.197]) by cia-db01.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB013-88ae4bc14bc27d; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:10:42 -0400 Message-ID: <6b166.7c5e365.38f2a5c2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 00:10:42 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.197 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.42 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=QwlBK6BzUmAOQ51NDZLxIzNDhMR0Qa2x-Cwr4j8bWG-eUpvDW8fgIHY5qDw7H9vW X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/10/2010 10:40:58 PM Central Daylight Time, jimsmith95650@sbcglobal.net writes: > Hi Gang Ok no one here on this forum remebers back in the 80's when > broadcasters use 15khz transmitions. Well me and Chris Cuff remembers because > his Part 15 A.L TX's go's out to 14khz and he sais and his paper work sais > to. RCA Ampliphase transmitters could meet an FM proof. That means response all the way out to 15khz (and beyond). KSTP in the Twin Cities had one in the late 50s and boasted of its superior audio. That's why Heathkit and others of that era had "Narrow and Wide" switches. Like I said, I don't think the essential regulation as to emissions between 10 to 20khz has changed since I was in AM broadcasting. The only bandwidth limiting on the high side I was away of was done by the Telco on the leased lines to the transmitter. When I used to watch the Audiomax, Volumax, and peak flasher on the modulation monitor in the audio rack, it was the bass that drove them, not the highs. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Apr 11 03:56:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32784 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2010 10:56:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2010 10:56:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.27) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2010 10:56:29 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 8so1491670qwh.33 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:56:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.7.202 with SMTP id e10mr920366qae.205.1270983389701; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [4.154.38.200] (dialup-4.154.38.200.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.38.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm2012267qyk.13.2010.04.11.03.56.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BC1AADB.1010101@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 06:56:27 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.27 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=WZZYoC9phfbbQ4E1Ys3c9O4cIQYLVzkQYRBDdVmVgkwkYm8FxnWqHu62l5RFMA X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/10/2010 11:40 PM, jim smith wrote: > Ok no one here on this forum remebers back in the 80's when > broadcasters use 15khz transmitions. I have a local that is going out to 15 kHz now, but I am not going to rat them out. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Apr 11 03:59:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 29872 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2010 10:59:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2010 10:59:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f195.google.com) (209.85.221.195) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2010 10:59:32 -0000 X-Received: by qyk33 with SMTP id 33so5337999qyk.28 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:59:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.127.5 with SMTP id e5mr920325qas.1.1270983572293; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [4.154.38.200] (dialup-4.154.38.200.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.38.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm6668802qwd.7.2010.04.11.03.59.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 11 Apr 2010 03:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BC1AB91.6050905@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 06:59:29 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <6b166.7c5e365.38f2a5c2@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <6b166.7c5e365.38f2a5c2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=2GfEHGxrteca7lkbWA6hHb49ODthp7Al-QtFta7okOnMQSiU-WCle7tSPc_38g X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/11/2010 12:10 AM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > When I used to watch the Audiomax, Volumax, and peak flasher on the > modulation monitor in the audio rack, it was the bass that drove them, > not the highs. And if you crank up the Max Brothers, the Bass would blow holes in the Audio. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 08:39:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9029 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2010 15:39:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2010 15:39:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.85) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2010 15:39:53 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 5683 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2010 15:39:52 -0000 Message-ID: <814935.5405.qm@web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UHPjo48VM1kSDpyau74Q7jb0hKHw.OgADyYm9CJxg8Low8l U3P43YVKKHzNxFTG7X4i7ba9gNTlZD79MeCOJfCbEZdRPOD8gzHIM.pggrCU JU07ESSzEx8D9As.eeR89Gou.gXNV_ZKlFA_xgCImqLqw3Ku5.ma18OvFtq6 7j8pD.pc6tL0bYlsyWxtCoVFQswqKneA1Jrc6xhxXi5u77C1cX5ZlTr0_.WW qeV9WBEak.pa3pprmV.GTRUv6ChZr9EIc7iELZlFqoTuhmCo7oXqGEVkc004 .X2Ju0nbrRQ3h_qCwYdmdXA0qN8wWcR_CYk9EfCIuH6hiW1f9_BSxF_2_ydC 9AOI- X-Received: from [209.213.19.165] by web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 08:39:52 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 08:39:52 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.85 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6P_E4Lm79mJNFXUrAJy2_uB9sNrr0cQxEnF3O5kD9Ug X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember that. But radios didn't get any benefit from audio being that wide. I have been in radio full time and part time since 1968. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: jim smith message have been removed] > Hi Gang Ok no one here on this forum remebers back in the 80's when broadcasters use 15khz tranmissions . Well me and Chris Cuff remembers because his Part 15 A.L TX's go's out to 14khz and he says and his paper work says to. Jim Smith [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Apr 11 09:59:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92348 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2010 16:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2010 16:59:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f172.google.com) (209.85.221.172) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2010 16:59:51 -0000 X-Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so103331qyk.0 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 09:59:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.106.229 with SMTP id y37mr1033580qao.176.1271005190927; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 09:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [4.154.34.34] (dialup-4.154.34.34.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.154.34.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm2167413qyk.11.2010.04.11.09.59.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 11 Apr 2010 09:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BC20005.2040606@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:59:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <814935.5405.qm@web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <814935.5405.qm@web112018.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.172 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=zq7L_EB8X6CeeDhmycbxFJdearLrphVcbXyEhjNsZ3LWqYW-J4i5-SIqvzyLSw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/11/2010 11:39 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > I remember that. But radios didn't get any benefit from audio being that wide. My RCA "Superbrain" Console is good for 17 Khz Audio in the "High Fidelity" Setting. Then there was the Carver TX-11A Tuner. > I have been in radio full time and part time since 1968. > I got into the Radio biz when I was in the Second Grade (1976). -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Apr 11 12:39:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41715 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2010 19:39:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2010 19:39:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2010 19:39:10 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3BJd5oe013789 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:39:05 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dec.1bdc10e (37166) for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:39:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d20.mail.aol.com (magic-d20.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.136]) by cia-ma04.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA045-912e4bc2255719d; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:39:03 -0400 Message-ID: <2d07a.1b6e3add.38f37f57@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:39:03 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.136 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=RqWI24L_Fp-ad8pZZ7Cy5PVIspi3nreHPwxMgyRJ6GwEdoUL1km-ZHXZ4CN1WFam X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/2010 5:56:36 AM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > I have a local that is going out to 15 kHz now, but I am not going to > rat them out. > Have you looked at their spectrum? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 16:57:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25007 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2010 23:57:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2010 23:57:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2010 23:57:17 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 80723 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2010 23:57:16 -0000 Message-ID: <540204.80133.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Olj1Q30VM1myEDA.1OwNJID7MbS1hMCf2BBKxTdk_kxcUGH rMmZ6khZwEew_KV6if34h7WGW3UGA3f.tYFFV9a80mSL8A31b9v7sw2tx39j l20inL39gs9C9QtVZlNcgE_QTmSYhUHcaoyutPZWjtdwElo1KkgLpeasadlp GZFxn9fqAyxz97gXsiNwhFn.NzSe75XyoOhX8mPeFTVuxMEspyGgp3N2gUpm Cemx7mP8JXzVVk9qZqf0UF_1omvOdG2RMcU97Z5QTYeOeUOPByx1MD8sVqQ2 5N7GFc7q9Tw1qykdPSLyqw2nY82as3mzTFw513MmfqU54cWGn9se18UoFtCz EufHD6yn_ufxEyJQlZNLDBHpdZa7d6n8V3ZZeENbJyIKzPBsWdF9CLn3atXB L_ozljXRY9I2b6RBhNRvz X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:57:16 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:57:16 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=WYEQ-YMkud1_J6elvOO6iFq6cl5pN9bsnvD3RKIN2PeZqg X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some music, jazz, hard rock, has a lot of cymbal energy or overtones, but t= hat is easily taken care of with multi-band processors. =C2=A0NRSC doesn't = sound too bad, but how many stations are even passing THAT much high-end au= dio? =C2=A0Not many around here do. =C2=A0We need a new bunch at the Friend= ly Candy Company to REQUIRE decent fidelity AND stereo on all AM stations, = but given the leanings of those in power, I won't hold my breath!G=C2=A0 --- On Sat, 4/10/10, jim smith wrote: From: jim smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 11:40 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > Thanks. >=20 > As I read the regulation, the allowable emissions between 10 to 20 khz ar= e=20 > the same as they have always been.=20=20 >=20 > The first section deals with demonstration of compliance. The second=20 > section states the technical requirement. I would suggest there is simpl= y not=20 > enough actual program material content in that spectrum to exceed the imp= osed=20 > limitation. That is, 25dB below the unmodulated carrier. Keep in mind,= =20 > each sideband is 6dB down from the unmodulated carrier to begin with at = 100%=20 > modulation. Assuming nothing in the frequency range from 10 to 20 khz=20 > exceeds 10% of the aggregate peak program level, there is no problem. If= you know=20 > of some program material in which there is sufficient content within any= =20 > 300hz band in the 10 to 20khz spectrum in which the peak level exceeds 10= % of=20 > aggregate, I'd like to hear it. >=20 > There is nothing in the regulation that requires compliance with the NRSC= -1=20 > standard nor limits the frequecy response a transmitter can have.=20=20 > Compliance with the NRSC-1 standard is considered an alternative means of= =20 > demonstrating compliance, not a requirement in itself. >=20 > If ordinary program material contained significant content above 10khz, t= he=20 > pre-emphasis used in FM broadcasting would not be practical. >=20 > At least in my opinion. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Hi Gang Ok no one here on this forum remebers back in the 80's when broadc= asters use 15khz transmitions. Well me and Chris Cuff remembers because his= Part 15 A.L TX's go's out to 14khz and he sais and his paper work sais to.= Jim Smith =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 17:01:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39922 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 00:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 00:01:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 00:01:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 23768 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2010 00:01:27 -0000 Message-ID: <60848.23249.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6Fk3CRUVM1l0LpO0x_eurgH0FuYYLS6fK4jYpzScWXfVsOq ZkzMl6a9tniT_auLGefN3KZtN3M0mFpMxwXsUVhd1ZgUevPwzk.sssylscHr GIWknlXBV3jw3UVhlyQJBOwW9cArYw10zZIRxF_r4BVJwNQ1wrFIYOhwan_I 3hehA69MoLlnEJhDA1k6Ecu4hu8XY07hYvp7t6FxgHcbtOikHUzvC9clgQt4 yM9r_AeR40gsAXgXX24VX4c1Zk91YTxZA1rNGdn33299SpVSfcx2efai6pDw T15Qh8m4YGJ0paF2Zzk.8ix.MohxtFbNqLlHaxXKebi39yNpfEftqMhXswY_ sQsb4hp03BfJcHFCiFOkH23s9PoMsZsYiuYje8GwfowRSwAPSU1kbi1P3Q3u yvTDdxTyKRtxIZLFXktwEZg-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:01:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:01:26 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4BC1AB91.6050905@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=XqF8zTqVDD2m1JGil8BXQYo-lniFc13mktkkrKe2EC3y0A X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, but when a cymbal crash occurs DURING a bass peak, it's peak is carried= higher by "riding" on the big bass wave? =C2=A0Thank God for modern proces= sors, they manage to keep all within limits and still sound pretty darn goo= d. =C2=A0I tip my hat to Mr. Orban :>) =C2=A0G --- On Sun, 4/11/10, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 6:59 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On 4/11/2010 12:10 AM, mjgrant@aol. com wrote: > When I used to watch the Audiomax, Volumax, and peak flasher on the=20 > modulation monitor in the audio rack, it was the bass that drove them,=20 > not the highs. And if you crank up the Max Brothers, the Bass would blow holes in the=20 Audio. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 17:04:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 826 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 00:04:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 00:04:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.228) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 00:04:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 38619 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2010 00:04:24 -0000 Message-ID: <22432.38251.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YEsRbukVM1lDGSSeBjItFGYKG6YHoolV1r3ZI2Z5aF8j4de QtW_VMfa.eom6fDqQ8.oaq5BZYpqU7602JXUBgpQC0HIgu14drNGjuBMtPwe 3UYtX0pMSeLA9hyGgE3XjgwF9T0GLmj_oRaWbBuO6thXulOA4J3iq25untsd xulkEmstXXUQtfPcAqxSPkrb2cJQLIeXrX3XIuxEQRQ1.rreXJ1xAcBvMrnn BHKdpgZomeSxragESSO0zhtJNx5W1JKMbm.3Jjz8lIjcbMQkfe1dKnzAAQoV 2IUlEkUCXOWNeB4LM3L2f0073gRAzwoRO5oLWcCUIvrG0Zyc1xuLLGGpJy2. z19gEtUvaC8X1iOH95y_hNZBS8kCjdBwjKQctGQTb05jhH1JDyYGx X-Received: from [71.162.87.157] by web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:04:23 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:04:23 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0A040F55D70F4397A63F2D2C34C4FAA2@mygateway> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.228 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} KLOG status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=u_JH7z5NdKtoicxYdNEDOyEjBvCfvJQx5udOPBwUID_rA4iWou47 X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks.=C2=A0 I've got some dude on Wikipedia who said he called the statio= n.=C2=A0 He said they were stereo but didn't say if THEY said they were ste= reo. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/WQBI410 --- On Sat, 4/10/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} KLOG status To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 5:48 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 last I heard they are am stereo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: AMSF=20 Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 7:57 AM Subject: {AMSF} KLOG status Can anyone confirm KLOG's status as a stereo station? Someone on Wikipedia= added them & I hope it's true! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 17:09:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76834 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 00:09:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 00:09:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.198) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 00:09:25 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 10291 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2010 00:09:25 -0000 Message-ID: <141337.10288.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: qfTrfPIVM1nFcFN7HbsHxqpd3gHFUndwUnGtPUDq2U_zB0a LubuWql8hRbKCgobZE1xY.erhawb1R1jogsy9QrRzuu02rB9LKSj0ppGeaUD jUmI.EIFKLUqltyiNw9OA0G11mK5B6tK6fS5iqYTmF.mqr4dVe3ubfO4gXYC Iw5m96qyWKLoTATh96XDf61UlAhZMJELSnI0NAPLbty_NMXzmc0XWl8VjStV cAcq1dCH7082Vq22JJ_rXXS5YlraEnhIybeFZNq5yaf19kV7tCEQVlTwJ3Qj RZNwgITKKRlDf.JoHeemVVk3NeOmSH4Dzpu6fdqxTar9Fu9Ufbr68cH3czvv oHMzmsOwph205GWfY.zDTSbZLMgM- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:09:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:09:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4BC20005.2040606@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.198 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=5eDSC0ORuiBMsATt5zGIiaWzorBiQfqxJfXhYdksK4CZ_g X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crosley (WLW) built a "cathanode" transmitter that wowed even the folks fro= m MacIntosh when they tested it out. =C2=A0About as efficient as an old bus= , but flat out to 25 kHz.! =C2=A0BUT, being in the receiver business too, h= e made sure his top-of-the-line radios could avail themselves of such sound= , one even including a dynamic range expander and (gulp!) TWEETERS! =C2=A0Y= eah, it had 38 tubes in it, but I'm sure that could be repeated today with = a chip or two. =C2=A0Anybody got a time tunnel I can borrow?G=C2=A0 --- On Sun, 4/11/10, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 12:59 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On 4/11/2010 11:39 AM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > I remember that. But radios didn't get any benefit from audio being that = wide. My RCA "Superbrain" Console is good for 17 Khz Audio in the "High=20 Fidelity" Setting. Then there was the Carver TX-11A Tuner. > I have been in radio full time and part time since 1968. >=20=20=20=20 I got into the Radio biz when I was in the Second Grade (1976). --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Apr 11 17:11:25 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68341 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 00:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 00:11:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f178.google.com) (209.85.221.178) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 00:11:21 -0000 X-Received: by qyk8 with SMTP id 8so5472974qyk.4 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:11:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.221.14 with SMTP id ia14mr4870669qcb.8.1271031081608; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v37sm5315768qce.18.2010.04.11.17.11.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BC2652A.1010603@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:11:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <540204.80133.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <540204.80133.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.178 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=SUorD40w0m8R-crfX4BlNE2YKRzOAisz3cj9FAX_GEqW-EH2ZmBPX22ogLov8A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/11/2010 7:57 PM, george russell wrote: > We need a new bunch at the Friendly Candy Company to REQUIRE decent fidelity AND stereo on all AM stations, > I would LOVE for the FCC to go back to requiring an Annual Audio Proof Of Performance. I would be willing to bet WCKI and WQIZ are the only AM stations to pass an Audio Proof in the whole State in 2009 & WCKI was the ONLY station to pass an Audio Proof in 2010. (I have not had a chance to do WQIZ yet.) -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Apr 11 17:17:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90080 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 00:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 00:17:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.26) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 00:17:21 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so1659978qwi.13 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:17:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.215.11 with SMTP id hc11mr2324415qcb.45.1271031435187; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w30sm5332888qce.4.2010.04.11.17.17.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BC2668B.9040502@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:17:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <60848.23249.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <60848.23249.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=I21irag51tsE6q98ZVTpx05RMXi-aakFrrXuZp8zBVBVpoiV7Q2uyiyY-e3Cdw X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/11/2010 8:01 PM, george russell wrote: > Thank God for modern processors, they manage to keep all within limits and still sound pretty darn good. I tip my hat to Mr. Orban :>) > Yes, I love my Optimod 9200 on WQIZ. I will be glad when we can upgrade the CRL AM-4 setup on WCKI to an Optimod. (And the CRLs will go to KJ4HYD on 3885.) -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From kj4hyd@gmail.com Sun Apr 11 17:21:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22828 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 00:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 00:21:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f176.google.com) (209.85.211.176) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 00:21:33 -0000 X-Received: by ywh6 with SMTP id 6so2675477ywh.16 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:21:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.100.88.10 with SMTP id l10mr5306366anb.184.1271031692915; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([75.138.48.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm2349050gxk.10.2010.04.11.17.21.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BC2678D.2040805@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:21:33 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <141337.10288.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <141337.10288.qm@web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.211.176 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=SQ1v3NVYcWp5SenueZ7kOoWw0sTW6-M9zcf--Lzsr2TT_98EyYpt_ExXzugMFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/11/2010 8:09 PM, george russell wrote: > being in the receiver business too, he made sure his top-of-the-line radios could avail themselves of such sound, one even including a dynamic range expander and (gulp!) TWEETERS! > I have a couple of the old High End Crosley radios in my collection. They are my best sounding radios. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From piccoli.dan@gmail.com Sun Apr 11 18:37:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: piccoli.dan@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94907 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 01:37:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 01:37:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-iw0-f174.google.com) (209.85.223.174) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 01:37:32 -0000 X-Received: by iwn4 with SMTP id 4so1434291iwn.12 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 18:37:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.231.26.20 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 18:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:37:31 +0800 X-Received: by 10.231.147.18 with SMTP id j18mr1559089ibv.82.1271036252031; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 18:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.85.223.174 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Daniel Piccoli Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=283956681; y=_7Vd-h89WRr-ybLOcCdfXxO9UK2ch7h_N8aGYPWNo_zHGY3Y X-Yahoo-Profile: dandocker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are some great examples of wideband AM stereo on Youtube. I don't know if any of you have anything to do with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zSwiHlfmRg Dan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 18:44:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1576 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 01:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 01:44:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.199) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 01:44:05 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 36481 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2010 01:44:04 -0000 Message-ID: <859406.34107.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: k0.WRH0VM1nP0kSPQNmrzLQg7VUvz8PdXbQXItqz9.G0jgp ZKvoAKD72CqTHJcsWljSZw7w1ZMcMzt_yl9sgbI_wKm3MKP2p15KKI.pZkTw aNPmhrxDgQCmxcRSd5iF5yfBCpH7SL5lKgiuWomgsmG2XGJ468WTywwKRaga 6Px8fqSxaqwYEE5oWUr1j8yFAu7rSIBmXhjR3n4I0yVUZLUxNKZivzJZcuOO iIRl1d6VFNVXY4BErA9ke_Ct3P7zRFc7sYAbdAgRY9rKSSOKRKck61r._Zfr 3uhaypz7s6smRDp2EIqglbAC8s_pKyO6WFlrJ0e10kcbIzqP3JEBO2FiJcyR XXZnIhaPR7H0FbtEDSLyCigKvlir6Qgq705NnugYrNxxQtYVS9PdzoQ-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 18:44:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 18:44:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4BC2678D.2040805@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.199 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=VXMLNBtTxbzuIgHEnbR2NaWo4h8Hj9cmmd7pQqYcRqMsdA X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yup, some of the old Crosleys are well-built and great sounding sets. =C2= =A0He made a VERYlimited edition console called the "WLW", several in our c= lub have offered cash rewards just for LOCATING one...six speakers, 38 tube= s, and more power than some of today's solid state stereos, but at 375 poun= ds, I don't think I could afford to re-enforce the floor enough! I used to have a few nice Grundig table sets that had electrostatic tweeter= s in them, and I remember when AM actually did something with them...beside= s hiss! =C2=A0Of course, my kid hearing also meant I could hear that horrid= 19 kHz. pilot when FMs started going stereo:>( --- On Sun, 4/11/10, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 8:21 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On 4/11/2010 8:09 PM, george russell wrote: > being in the receiver business too, he made sure his top-of-the-line radi= os could avail themselves of such sound, one even including a dynamic range= expander and (gulp!) TWEETERS! >=20=20=20=20 I have a couple of the old High End Crosley radios in my collection.=20 They are my best sounding radios. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 19:09:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 51424 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 02:09:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 02:09:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.85) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 02:09:27 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29217 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2010 02:09:04 -0000 Message-ID: <412956.3361.qm@web112007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: zbCLMQIVM1mO6zC0ChAU4vTIII218oYFRISJZRdftbqhj9Q XpQkgo0wT1m4WSyZNpIpM4ANIWkjfK6jxiPN5O.QsFMfN0djc_gPeD1XOjca yY7uVRv86DOgRvgLNnHAFuuPvjL1Afz.fg0yf3jinaRZVm9UpBzrvjDx1L.e KheOViTJoqtZ06J6UTgsCcZOyNfjscbs9sfIxe54hy6cKqu44NmO8KVomkkF sLUmMzaneNv9e6T2e2sRt9NPv1dCqfSo3bb78P872M8q26O._B9MU9rTcdOJ Zo3cXLXhUPCJKtVwqRgRS71dgAAWmFVmY8.jK_nEkC.qKRrKnwyaBy7xEkkM 1_s_L X-Received: from [209.213.19.68] by web112007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:09:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <540204.80133.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BC2652A.1010603@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:09:04 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4BC2652A.1010603@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.85 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: proof of performance requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=y01qb-mDZhnEvP7OtY6RPbRwa8SUq9JWjhRxfvoWfKg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW AHEMMMMM! Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- From: kj4hyd T I would LOVE for the FCC to go back to requiring an Annual Audio Proof Of Performance. I would be willing to bet WCKI and WQIZ are the only AM stations to pass an Audio Proof in the whole State in 2009 & WCKI was the ONLY station to pass an Audio Proof in 2010. (I have not had a chance to do WQIZ yet.) -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Apr 11 19:18:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49854 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 02:18:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 02:18:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 02:18:47 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3C2IjLD001033 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:18:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dc3.1c95829 (56027) for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:18:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m20.mail.aol.com (magic-m20.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.193]) by cia-md08.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMD081-dadb4bc28300231; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:18:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1d466.608a9d27.38f3dd00@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:18:40 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.193 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=z3W1NouBEAOoQoT6dB4TTVqB-AFdBFzkVOwK57Dlot6w-DjAotgZSyDRnxXMGu2t X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/2010 7:01:31 PM Central Daylight Time, wlx1430@yahoo.com writes: > Ah, but when a cymbal crash occurs DURING a bass peak, it's peak is > carried higher by "riding" on the big bass wave? Thank God for modern > processors, they manage to keep all within limits and still sound pretty darn good. That may contribute to the peak instantaneous amplitude but one does not add spectral energy to the other which is what matters. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Apr 11 19:21:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 77078 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 02:21:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 02:21:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.100.31) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 02:21:25 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3C2LKvJ002569 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:21:21 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d5a.5db1977b (43973) for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:21:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-m20.mail.aol.com (magic-m20.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.193]) by cia-dd03.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD036-abc54bc2839f2a0; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:21:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1d661.624f84ae.38f3dd9f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:21:19 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.20.22.193 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.100.31 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=FK3rzOcRHGzDWxoV3ZtGj779FcKg3dTcQSTRrWevhf3loirL30zTmzP2tAYHPJQg X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/2010 7:21:39 PM Central Daylight Time, kj4hyd@gmail.com writes: > I have a couple of the old High End Crosley radios in my collection. > They are my best sounding radios. > It's a shame he broke up with Bob Hope. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 19:38:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46581 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 02:38:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 02:38:25 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.84) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 02:38:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 81208 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2010 02:38:21 -0000 Message-ID: <87769.79898.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Qk_xayoVM1mJ0PrtE.GgqdnjQygli9ZB7z3LXbhiopMczrz 58c3YOMePijSOP_FqhOP1OWtqpZxde3IW6M7uVt_seZK2.zruMQ41xTo8q.c 9IGuP2hzwlHswGcERGO10LiGPgbXsamsj811Mng2vMm5kJlvzUbrAQiSslUt JMhcR9P84lgbSc8zMEfNd0STAWYI_APXRLMLldtS9pCFvLS1hceiZvZEhe_d zpqDMDuH_arXD8KUlycxjDaWGXtqH1GqdvjT1cJBn44McDywg07ywbpsguso Cv.qjHxqkK_1SQFJNJdpVNpNHewxkjsjO0Dk6NBvChHXjWhs01xmZ686i5z2 n8i4Q X-Received: from [209.213.19.68] by web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:38:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <465745.87263.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBC44A6CE6D4FABB85A141C8B1B2261@mygateway> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:38:21 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5EBC44A6CE6D4FABB85A141C8B1B2261@mygateway> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.84 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=9ODkJR1-Mpn9usZ0pG1eaIaeZjNUEiiXbLMPZZdlb3A X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW HD is an error from the 1980's DAB as done in UK doesn't sound good due to too much information being run down a narrow pipeline... The UK is cutting off all Analog ( or Analogue as they spell it) in 5 years. You will have far few choices for music over in that part of the world. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- From: hank smith To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 4:21:06 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? and hd is supposed to be beter? hell we mise well go dab oh wait I forgot we cant cause the stupid us has to be friggen different. sorry not having a good day and little things like this get to me. how we has to be different then every body else europe has dab, drm, we have this hd crap well its good but no one else has it tell you what if I was ever given a chance to move to uk I would jump at it. I am rambling sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: Powell E. Way III To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:20 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? 1. I have heard no such thing. 2. "The industry" has neither thought of dropping iHiss, nor considered bringing back AM stereo. 3. For those who think DRM has a future, it has very similar faults. It works on shortwave if you have exceptionally strong signals free from deep selective fading and there is no interference from other stations. How often does that happen on short wave? Not very often. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ________________________________ From: jim smith To: am stereo forum Cc: jim smith Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 1:22:58 AM Subject: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? Hi Gang Did'nt I read here or hear that the AM radio industry was thinking of droping iCrap becuase of public complaints because of the noise? And the industy was thinking of bring back AM STEREO? Jim Smith If so can't wait!!!!!!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! 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Groups Links From mjgrant@aol.com Sun Apr 11 19:58:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27214 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 02:58:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 02:58:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.78.142) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 02:58:12 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3C2wAp5009606 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:58:11 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dd6.1ca918f (43895) for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:58:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d18.mail.aol.com (magic-d18.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.134]) by cia-dc05.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC058-ab774bc28c41192; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:58:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3fbe9.667673ca.38f3e641@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:58:09 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.134 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.78.142 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} proof of performance requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=NBkviNnG_fxbVohOjT5znnYAEJMEys4bvDLl3n42D1Rwr_i6gVzfTkoOWBrOEhya X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The performance of modern studio and transmitter equipment is so far beyond the AM standards that they could most likely meet proof even if they had flames coming out of them. Well maintained older equipment rarely had much of a problem either, the operative phrase being "well maintained". In my experience, the most common cause of failing to meet audio proof was weak tubes in the transmitter, principally the modulator, that needed to replaced anyway. The exception to that rule was RCA Amphiphase transmitters which were typically out of adjustment (ampli-fuzzies). Just because a station meets audio proof doesn't assure the day to day quality of its signal. Proofs are run from the microphone terminals of the main console to the RF output of the transmitter with any audio processing patched out. The station could still have crappy sources, bad processing, and poor board practices. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From jotape1960@yahoo.com Sun Apr 11 20:20:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: jotape1960@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 55292 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 03:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 03:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 03:20:28 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2010 03:20:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2010 03:20:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2010 03:20:23 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:20:23 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 67.195.135.101 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 201.246.48.203 From: "jotape1960" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=199237488; y=oLuUDetZ-QWBQbyxX2Z3cmhjJrAmWN4mBlPh8JeI2Fg6QAJNeg X-Yahoo-Profile: jotape1960 Hi Gang!!! All the comments have forgot the following points: 1) Human hearing system accept as a good sound not only a very wide bandwid= th. The distortion and background noise become more important than the frec= uency range most of the time. In this line, most of the AM tuners sound bad= because: (a) too much distortion, or (b) too much noise. So, we don't get = too much improvement if we transmit up to 15 KHZ or high. We need good tune= rs, first of all. 2) Whatever the amount of high frecuency range level we put on the air, the= re always will be a natural barrier to the high fidelity sound: the distanc= e. AM has the worst enemy with this issue. To a typical 1 KW station, you c= an't get a good sound (noise free) beyond 15-20 kilometers far away your t= ransmitter site. You can rise up to the heaven all the frecuencies above 5 = KHZ, but the distance will always win the battle and you will only get a ve= ry "beautiful" noisy sound from any wide band tuner you use. 3) It isn't a good idea to increase the high frecuencies too much because t= he balance (color) of the bass-mid-treble relationship could change giving = a very annoying sound. We want to hear the trebles, but not too much. 4) As a music teacher I am, I've learned that there is a lot of total time = WITHOUT high frecuencies range level in the music we hear. I mean, the cymb= als aren't sounding all over the time of the songs are (one exception is "A= Hard Day's Night" from The Beatles). The same to the "s" and other treble = sounds. So... we don't need to keep the high frecuencies energy all the tim= e up (just a waste of power). More important is to avoid the bass level mod= ulation of the mid range (typical effect of the monoband limiters). 5) Most of the people can't distinguish between FM or AM, IF THE AM TUNER I= S GOOD (10 KHZ audio bandwidth, less than 2% distortion). I have tested it = a lot of time here and I can sure you they can't believe they are listen AM= with my old Philips DC888 AM Stereo tuner, even they are seeing it is an A= M tuner!!! The problem is: they are accustomed to think: "FM sounds good, A= M sounds BAD." BUT IT IS BECAUSE NOBODY SHOWS ANOTHER CHANCE!!! They think = this way because the 99.99% of the AM tuners sound really bad!!! But it is = not the AM broadcasters fault!!! It is just the AM manufacturers fault!!! W= ho will change it? ??? ??? Just a few humble opinions from a crazy man. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!! Juan J. Paredes G. From Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with a lot of love and hope (even the = aftershocks) --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, Daniel Piccoli wrot= e: > > There are some great examples of wideband AM stereo on Youtube. I don't k= now > if any of you have anything to do with this: >=20 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2zSwiHlfmRg >=20 >=20 > Dan >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Apr 12 05:29:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94860 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 12:29:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 12:29:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f182.google.com) (209.85.221.182) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 12:29:40 -0000 X-Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12so5782365qyk.21 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 05:29:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.248.211 with SMTP id mh19mr2841729qcb.104.1271075373554; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 05:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v37sm6083099qce.12.2010.04.12.05.29.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 12 Apr 2010 05:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BC3122E.4000304@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:29:34 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <465745.87263.qm@web112001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBC44A6CE6D4FABB85A141C8B1B2261@mygateway> <87769.79898.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <87769.79898.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.182 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=ZMD9mbrResVXFguoLQHG85pt7_7x1KD9EY1R0rRvdXZ9KzDzLSjFTVanG_sfXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/11/2010 10:38 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > The UK is cutting off all Analog ( or Analogue as they spell it) in 5 years. You will have far few choices for music over in that part of the world. The UK already has TONS of Pirate Stations. They will have that many more when they turn off Analog Radio. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From toledohamradio@yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 06:11:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: toledohamradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59959 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 13:11:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 13:11:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 13:11:24 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2010 13:11:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2010 13:11:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:11:09 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.152 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 72.240.61.26 From: "toledohamradio" Subject: Bandwidth to change on IBOC AM ! / Stereo on WJR? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=38079419; y=jZorF7X7oEfz-2ifSK6ENIi1clm9SVYoi5taHLBcVVplfVkgdQZdHUA X-Yahoo-Profile: toledohamradio I recently read that they (iBiquity) has figured out a way to restore analo= g audio back out to 10.2KHz AND still have IBOC on AM! So at least your an= alog signal will sound good, but I'm sure that it's at the expense of your = two neighbors on the dial! Anybody else hear about this? My guess is that you'll have less range and = will lose the stereo AM, but at least your 99.8% of analog listeners will h= ear decent audio again. PS: George R: keep pestering WJR's engineer (Kevin) to take the audio banwi= dth all the way out to pre-IBOC levels and to 'turn-on' the AM Stereo switc= h again - let him know that his fellow engineer at WLS still turns the ster= eo on every night, and there's no reason WJR can't too being owned by the s= ame company! From dud31dud@yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 06:17:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: dud31dud@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20476 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 13:17:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 13:17:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 13:17:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2010 13:16:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2010 13:16:31 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:16:30 -0000 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1d661.624f84ae.38f3dd9f@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.163.168.155 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 66.227.158.107 From: "ograv31" Subject: Re: AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=276726813; y=QYo8cyjB_HmyRHCB33Kgpk44MEZ8Fqy8qHwNc1IhuVjwK4w X-Yahoo-Profile: ograv31 That guy who used all those malapropism's, Norm Crosley?? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/11/2010 7:21:39 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 > kj4hyd@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > I have a couple of the old High End Crosley radios in my collection.=20 > > They are my best sounding radios. > >=20 >=20 > It's a shame he broke up with Bob Hope. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 08:03:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7121 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 15:03:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 15:03:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112020.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.87) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 15:03:13 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 30840 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2010 15:03:12 -0000 Message-ID: <782637.5663.qm@web112020.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: CbbX70IVM1kN2GW9vLjtsjYEfxZLFt1QByXYKbwnMwj4Hd8 PQou0uUnJzfxuHy39_jS2URlEtvcTDxpSLHvnsbDSUnz0It8hQ1VKwpxK.bI ADcWBYANEj15vCIEnKFU6obJpLJlASnZtNj47LefVWs98j3NaRRbItN4ftkq spGn26LMHPSDeEVCkR5U4XL6RNSHXqScd4o8XeELMdYX7UASN6QYTKrYq_rN th20IQ3krUKwWrrgEVJUyB_drJBjfJlQdCkx9Cw7.SMThpRyBkbUk3w5pijt Iyc5OoJlOtt2dC9kVk1VBxoTbAOuGfnZje6dCN0i6BFFidTl7ekH5PMqkqAq chXw_ X-Received: from [209.213.19.31] by web112020.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:03:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:03:12 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.87 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=i0eLLGxAtMeR2hA1cRxWByuIH1UmMBD-Vqn0ekK3SeE X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW No, Powel Crosley, who can't spell my first name right... Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- From: ograv31 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 9:16:30 AM Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO makeing a come back? That guy who used all those malapropism's, Norm Crosley?? --- In amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/11/2010 7:21:39 PM Central Daylight Time, > kj4hyd@... writes: > > > > I have a couple of the old High End Crosley radios in my collection. > > They are my best sounding radios. > > > > It's a shame he broke up with Bob Hope. > > Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Apr 12 08:24:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58059 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 15:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 15:24:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f177.google.com) (74.125.83.177) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 15:24:49 -0000 X-Received: by pvc30 with SMTP id 30so2986465pvc.22 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:24:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.103.40 with SMTP id f40mr3599177wam.38.1271085888505; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1101826yxd.70.2010.04.12.08.24.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BC33B41.6070808@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:24:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <540204.80133.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BC2652A.1010603@gmail.com> <412956.3361.qm@web112007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <412956.3361.qm@web112007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.177 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} proof of performance requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=7ejs3DVABi3N4-4gXkw5pTnZ80mt1hbQZ7iDJmKqmCdE3-g-L37IzEtT8TnEeQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/11/2010 10:09 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > AHEMMMMM! > Ah yes, Powell is is saomebody else that is Anal enough to pull an Audio Proof on a station. So When was WKDK done? -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 10:34:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25405 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 17:34:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 17:34:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.22.84) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 17:34:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 78529 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2010 17:34:25 -0000 Message-ID: <223398.78136.qm@web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: IwbU2mgVM1lEl2n_DcQ_yJAhUtniB_ojO0LO0etr6UEWYtC wUEK_8cqXOKMx2oOaR.qGTVXHdYi2A07FMvKPCtzxwra.CUTfIUCOR754TmR C5Df2peYYOyAPVKVEYjzfDGq6eoQHdUED0_l2k.Yy7jDe9k3u0zm9OEfG36H syE6o7zOfIr_qAX8pWEfrwVD_bmN761MjE50qhWHDLYNZqcz49F2oA.O8jyO 3jKiY1B8kxAu5VMg8CTmgKEo2HANJ_OLDdksjzN8kNL2iiYLGTh88i_NTErZ mrwVG151wfkznC7nOJswlwdlKkGO6yxxnlJJCi_yR2j5QLTD9i0QVekIaet1 yR8EM X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112017.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:34:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <540204.80133.qm@web32406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4BC2652A.1010603@gmail.com> <412956.3361.qm@web112007.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4BC33B41.6070808@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:34:24 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4BC33B41.6070808@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 67.195.22.84 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} proof of performance requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=6eTeq_DXXqgCktumVwwY34qLk_-cuXdgYnN7Fo-TeIw X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW dunno. I think Ray may have done one before he retired. But with all good s= tuff..... it sounds great. Now if we had a perfect ground system...... Powell =A0NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net=20 ----- Original Message ---- From: kj4hyd To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 11:24:49 AM Subject: Re: {AMSF} proof of performance requirements On 4/11/2010 10:09 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > AHEMMMMM! >=A0 =A0=20 Ah yes, Powell is is saomebody else that is Anal enough to pull an Audio=20 Proof on a station. So When was WKDK done? --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Apr 12 11:08:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41811 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 18:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 18:08:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 18:08:50 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3CI8o1O013193 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:08:50 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.dad.39bf935 (37047) for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:08:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d19.mail.aol.com (magic-d19.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.135]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB035-90b74bc361ae15b; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:08:46 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:08:45 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.135 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} proof of performance requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=nebFjsqBU3_FXmkm61UJXVqBCssFjgKYIpE7zg-jBQVmKbjU2koHtW342QRxZ-L- X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/12/2010 12:34:43 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Now if we had a perfect ground system...... I have but one word for you. Franklin. And I don't mean Benny. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Mon Apr 12 11:17:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78543 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 18:17:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 18:17:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f181.google.com) (209.85.221.181) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 18:17:41 -0000 X-Received: by qyk11 with SMTP id 11so5128154qyk.13 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:17:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.214.7 with SMTP id gy7mr6477683qcb.12.1271096256375; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x34sm6434181qce.3.2010.04.12.11.17.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BC363C1.3060303@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:17:37 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 209.85.221.181 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} proof of performance requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=jqcBsgkTJItb7Xe3Z35rstKRL8Pb9gr5hTTEhkmL0U1G3XaBTk1LChlojY2rxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/12/2010 2:08 PM, mjgrant@aol.com wrote: > I have but one word for you. Franklin. And I don't mean Benny. Yes, that would make WKDK CRANK! I need one for WQIZ too. -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 15:49:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 78031 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 22:49:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 22:49:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.194) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 22:49:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 67734 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2010 22:49:44 -0000 Message-ID: <647688.65997.qm@web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: A2keVLAVM1kx_72f7QaA2qG6Inki_7T1KTnlqlLR6Kb5.Ij BK6gTq9IyEeFpkXkNYLInkyQIQfgg7oxpxAPdzNaamoeNe6yQBcz.UJsepOr Nc0ZgCykkIur9xAhDd2ugvuJ2VBH1E9e0yjLB_LIld6tMnqpK94GPHiNnt8v XD5FGXlB3R7F_PU0FEoR1u8f9BLm.jm.zpq5IfMaBYIbh83yeaB7vzurZZ8_ cUFv3r0xIE7HI1yL1AVfaWvrmgU6NQIFgCXw_y9q0IK0ogA0RVg1fIY01Aa7 PkhZZBuQ4Z7RjbnRPWJ0RmH3V9EJ2A4ur9Y6aHqy92q_6Xp6Nxy3Ul5BStcI 4ZYIO_urQIM_kPn2fsSrLJGvQEXaSYwZJpVGLPPun026DjoJJuYWM_7ajAjR SCwkR.vjBNMfYZZt3EyuI X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:49:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:49:44 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4BC3122E.4000304@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.194 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=KBk97o9GexLLr2LskXSAceNFC8bEpWA7mrFYCHV_cN-rDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AMEN! =C2=A0Let's fly those jolly rogers high proud and LOUD, me hardies!If= I ever find myself rich, after giving away most of it, I am going to build= one whopping big tower and a station to keep the GOOD stuff alive...NTSC t= elevision, and AM and FM both in quad/surround! =C2=A0Maybe do a bit of SW,= too, hah-hah...G --- On Mon, 4/12/10, kj4hyd wrote: From: kj4hyd Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 8:29 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 On 4/11/2010 10:38 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > The UK is cutting off all Analog ( or Analogue as they spell it) in 5 yea= rs. You will have far few choices for music over in that part of the world. The UK already has TONS of Pirate Stations. They will have that many=20 more when they turn off Analog Radio. --=20 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical sta= ndpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 15:57:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16352 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 22:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 22:57:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 22:57:45 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 85708 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2010 22:57:38 -0000 Message-ID: <130764.85615.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6yhyoUwVM1nJ.qGh4JuIjam0kQ9vjYU6MIeiSomdsj2_2jq e5k5fPmYOYveFDRqLSR_32ifeaPLQRRHs_KLmOccnmYedFVCuDbK6KiiDMIV 4.LasOEVs5JeMgQEUQqxypw3GclY8QZnQuoCcFVvZEMl209SEuVFDML8cw8q udrNHOrqc3XvKfnQmk6pbQR.UwFfQLwvpkYN1yQx2F51tThT.RW_oIcGc6Fp fkHaRW.mybXY2f_LWihtGX8yPQWEqB4jGeaortpMOzAGFH_SJmS1z55UYglZ p0CXC70j4VV0uJBsTUYKaSoea.nuoGsQT2aEQZ2GnUJPJZCGj3sNYQa8R9c_ hKxma4kpNLjArFPn9ugCiS9Yzcrw- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:57:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:57:37 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Bandwidth to change on IBOC AM ! / Stereo on WJR? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=iCVt6uyuaiS55iql6ii2-AuKFK9_VRI4M3FsjPys-1VJOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would love to have WJR back to their former glory! =C2=A0Please pass me h= is email address and name and I will do so post haste!I miss hearing those = Tigers games in stereo...they did such a good job of miking the ambience of= the crowd and mixing it just right with the voices.BTW, for a long time Ed= Puterbaugh was their CE...same guy that gave CKLW the sound that made us a= ll get weak knees in the 70's. =C2=A0G --- On Mon, 4/12/10, toledohamradio wrote: From: toledohamradio Subject: {AMSF} Bandwidth to change on IBOC AM ! / Stereo on WJR? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 9:11 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 I recently read that they (iBiquity) has figured out a way to restore= analog audio back out to 10.2KHz AND still have IBOC on AM! So at least y= our analog signal will sound good, but I'm sure that it's at the expense of= your two neighbors on the dial! Anybody else hear about this? My guess is that you'll have less range and = will lose the stereo AM, but at least your 99.8% of analog listeners will h= ear decent audio again. PS: George R: keep pestering WJR's engineer (Kevin) to take the audio banwi= dth all the way out to pre-IBOC levels and to 'turn-on' the AM Stereo switc= h again - let him know that his fellow engineer at WLS still turns the ster= eo on every night, and there's no reason WJR can't too being owned by the s= ame company! =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 15:58:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63669 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 22:58:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 22:58:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.200) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 22:58:36 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 86617 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2010 22:58:33 -0000 Message-ID: <283591.81673.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YetGRmkVM1lkuhsADvYf_zFDg_vkoSqLQbp.gUTL9qriLBP lZ5Im0w8CsQL4EKBjMaTgPRON8cLIGEDUzTE62Gidjaj9fLZvi3SNZnZeJHH yXLR6.TiOvrOewMP7clND0pIXm6ZUcPECmqi.E8fy6aXsLzB6FPlY3CZtfJy 2fG7DD3XwGGQM0Ur.mtukO5vfu1_ZeoF1QH_aOnyMuGNEyqoNb_xBvEPpoe3 KWoiQMvqBy3vm5Q9i2pubrkxzuhulHr7TTzx8Qr0wZmWrSi6WjMqjmV6WflD Vmu_4o4_8TBmoOmjGbyLIvZOVDMxMsI68Chb3L14YBnZ322jPbXlfuejnBBy 5v6D9K42bWuYYsWMx924jz0SFYuJI7O1doqprmM4hlp9G01xQChc.07Fq.SB v4tSmyVnpk_rlUKH0WkqNIg-- X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:58:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:58:32 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.200 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=Gtp4EQYtl5NEI_qUZ9MoBjzrXDsaC2SKqz2-kbd0dt4yFw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, this guy was Powell Crosley...not sure if they were related...G --- On Mon, 4/12/10, ograv31 wrote: From: ograv31 Subject: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO makeing a come back? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 9:16 AM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 That guy who used all those malapropism' s, Norm Crosley?? --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/11/2010 7:21:39 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 > kj4hyd@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > I have a couple of the old High End Crosley radios in my collection.=20 > > They are my best sounding radios. > >=20 >=20 > It's a shame he broke up with Bob Hope. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From hanksmith5@gmail.com Mon Apr 12 16:26:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: hanksmith5@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57384 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 23:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 23:26:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-gw0-f51.google.com) (74.125.83.51) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 23:26:16 -0000 X-Received: by gwj17 with SMTP id 17so856117gwj.38 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:26:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.150.142.12 with SMTP id p12mr4470583ybd.349.1271114775518; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from mygateway (70-57-228-148.tcso.qwest.net [70.57.228.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1277325ywd.59.2010.04.12.16.26.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8911C1345D7F4EE385DAC1C82078CBBF@mygateway> To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:26:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Originating-IP: 74.125.83.51 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "hank smith" Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326748643; y=CzjF227n5YyAaF5nOaJw5eKjNumGVPek4XrQNy9dEJRd896hRZLv X-Yahoo-Profile: alive4jesus1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there any more? ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Piccoli To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2010 6:37 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} AM STEREO makeing a come back? There are some great examples of wideband AM stereo on Youtube. I don't know if any of you have anything to do with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zSwiHlfmRg Dan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Mon Apr 12 16:56:01 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28191 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 23:55:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 23:55:58 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.87) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 23:55:57 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 14262 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2010 23:55:47 -0000 Message-ID: <791345.14149.qm@web112009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: tTbWldAVM1mvdGDGe6gswLylS48lr2yP1VCjos0hZms.P.Y tbjFcpeWzFjYWZDXHai6XQKlOqVWR23HpqIunPKfiU4bG5sPZeWJeNBmu.aO axGuCS8nSliQ56ii0VsfDaEbtehbeN97K0oydhoPYwFaYqWO9G3nxsq8hfcH aT0ZAjlfTHlKBSVKhO8zVFDPlflNT9wSTgBP5h9T4X8ce1Lrqj.LHYsS8oRv E30TqOLKvIfIp8Qa3ubc.yHYL2XneqJxdfb9hImuDLTD259Z9jAhq5YAj_KP 7eZXMQ_4CgNfjGySrw4J8XuAcboTA8HN64onmX3di1S90_WuSDAk7Oc.kfA3 rMqVV X-Received: from [209.213.19.123] by web112009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:55:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <283591.81673.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:55:47 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <283591.81673.qm@web32407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.87 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=XEzkwXwuqcaRtpOsBv8KO9PrSEKpoc3aNZ-gQUuTUkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW Yes, but Mr. Crosley spelled Powell wrong..... he only used one "L". Powell... the REAL one! NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- No, this guy was Powell Crosley...not sure if they were related...G il 12, 2010, 9:16 AM That guy who used all those malapropism' s, Norm Crosley?? --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/11/2010 7:21:39 PM Central Daylight Time, > kj4hyd@... writes: > > > > I have a couple of the old High End Crosley radios in my collection. > > They are my best sounding radios. > > > > It's a shame he broke up with Bob Hope. > > Mike > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From mjgrant@aol.com Mon Apr 12 17:48:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84696 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2010 00:48:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2010 00:48:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da01.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.143) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2010 00:48:04 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3D0ltHB001356 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:47:55 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d7f.480a060 (37231) for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:47:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d17.mail.aol.com (magic-d17.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.133]) by cia-ma06.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA068-916f4bc3bf3512f; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:47:49 -0400 Message-ID: <9ddb2.4f30ecbe.38f51935@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:47:49 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.133 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.143 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=x-mWwXAKmH1FjeVtXvKSK_1_mA0tLQOs6hpIX0WtT9CdJ6FUw0IOj4aM-G05s3_E X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/12/2010 6:56:05 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Yes, but Mr. Crosley spelled Powell wrong..... he only used one "L". > He did not spell his name wrong. During the Great Depression, he had to sell one of the "L"s to keep from going under. I have a concept for a new form of renewable energy. We could exhume Mr. Crosley and place his casket between two spindles like on a lathe. One of the spindles would be connected to a generator rather than an electric motor. After everything was balanced, we could show him the radios and radio-phono combos Walmart is selling with his name on them. Once his spinning reached 3600 rpm, we could put the generator online. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From a1asurfradio@yahoo.com Tue Apr 13 14:28:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: a1asurfradio@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3187 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2010 21:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2010 21:28:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.36.225) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2010 21:28:24 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 97035 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2010 21:28:14 -0000 Message-ID: <353433.97025.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: X0m0uJsVM1kQcdswQDZyssGhK1SL98Y3oaBUz1yMT8TawlsqmQLqN1AIIFC8XJoqCt95p5REEv.A4rZp1CfdQD7d2XxSzVfzNRa6osGyo7jRx0Os6nIr.0OyYAm..2gMLbm7wSo9ghXZeTc7aCiiQfxH3FD7NePza1ZPvjnt28aT9Inna29C0Rofr121wrVLnmnJxR6CBYzTEaOXlee1xfOCR5YiOexk7ml7uSmuw7pZSxOZb9lMXCo.HxciqSFQtHx_c7O2wsqRTEO3Ry80KcVnT_Du26chAsc_x95kcWtKspYmYHjcHmbGVwQDDuVy1_wRbC07Ov40rBywvKnYJi7cDBy7sOvzRGY.5caUjlfg7yKR9LX7IENPUEvY_IcmumN2pQHLsQR84oepwLexn4wnbytnjKa4uWLLiTDPK3Y- X-Received: from [72.215.238.107] by web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:28:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:28:14 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <22432.38251.qm@web54004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 206.190.36.225 From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} KLOG status X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63092835; y=a2gw3VvLYTXG5lYKSojrLuErfZGcYk8gHHMYc7giCWWSyGh9imi_ X-Yahoo-Profile: a1asurfradio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He confirmed KLOG is in stereo.=C2=A0 He talked to the station.=C2=A0 So, t= hat's one we can add back to the lists! Jay --- On Sun, 4/11/10, JNR wrote: From: JNR Subject: Re: {AMSF} KLOG status To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 8:04 PM =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Thanks.=C2=A0 I've got some dude on Wikipedia who said he called the = station.=C2=A0 He said they were stereo but didn't say if THEY said they we= re stereo. 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 --- On Sat, 4/10/10, hank smith wrote: From: hank smith Subject: Re: {AMSF} KLOG status To: amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 5:48 PM =C2=A0 last I heard they are am stereo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JNR=20 To: AMSF=20 Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 7:57 AM Subject: {AMSF} KLOG status Can anyone confirm KLOG's status as a stereo station? Someone on Wikipedia= added them & I hope it's true! 73, Jay, N1WVQ/V31VQ/ WQBI410 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From wlx1430@yahoo.com Tue Apr 13 14:53:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: wlx1430@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 27975 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2010 21:53:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2010 21:53:11 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.207.195) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2010 21:53:11 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 13759 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2010 21:53:10 -0000 Message-ID: <741693.13010.qm@web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: twm10RcVM1n6s4gmjy7DQPmXym0.SsiBh_HUG1cmXQFcz3L u_NnYIcHCgO5mOORXBKik5dzHxRrgNjiFEO_iAUS6.fmLvkGTPLH3Ef8R2PP rDPtrDa4694o5WJz5OBKSDqDqJlzuQ8Nbs06RwMuppzFMr4KI7S0v4HFw6qh nEOqMT9z6mJb9u5RhdHd3YrJu2vp1X1Eg_qEbQpzMowfFhY44SutyRESGVqf tq.slkdYHM9QXhC4O9dloSEDZligeLlgRWEOZyq1ZFfe6HXnECFr.t27z.rb WOxW43kYEnpBIpfZkpGFW7LwHas75ZiimiSKxpFg9sWuSskPuKzqEop_08yv 3diy3swus8X.GunUnKPYzE8OO X-Received: from [74.199.70.91] by web32402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:53:09 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/10.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:53:09 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <791345.14149.qm@web112009.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 68.142.207.195 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: george russell Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO makeing a come back? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116219766; y=jts-v4wkNhT-o4y5MaotvItoWAEkZOrKT8ksI41KOASxxw X-Yahoo-Profile: wlx1430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah well, you know those goofy Cincinnatians! (wink-wink) =C2=A0G --- On Mon, 4/12/10, Powell E. Way III wrote: From: Powell E. Way III Subject: Re: {AMSF} Re: AM STEREO makeing a come back? To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 12, 2010, 7:55 PM =20 =C2=A0 =20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 Yes, but Mr. Crosley spelled Powell wrong..... he only used one "L". Powell... the REAL one! NNNN=20 POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- No, this guy was Powell Crosley...not sure if they were related...G il 12, 2010, 9:16 AM That guy who used all those malapropism' s, Norm Crosley?? --- In amstereoforum@ yahoogroups. com, mjgrant@... wrote: > > In a message dated 4/11/2010 7:21:39 PM Central Daylight Time,=20 > kj4hyd@... writes: >=20 >=20 > > I have a couple of the old High End Crosley radios in my collection.=20 > > They are my best sounding radios. > >=20 >=20 > It's a shame he broke up with Bob Hope. >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/amstereofo rumYahoo! Groups Links =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 =20 =20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Tue Apr 13 17:07:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68607 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2010 00:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2010 00:07:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.83) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2010 00:07:44 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95992 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2010 00:07:39 -0000 Message-ID: <687156.95323.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: y5HfNnYVM1mDYub8LKMIEgF2Ze9ZXQYYIQwGK1N09oBcAn0 znwwJfnXUgEO_.sk_NtS3fJ7xtwsJVuvq23WxEkqsq0vGIby6wtj6gEZ.YF1 BuSnHVMBTzQQQWFgFsqfPsIHjTVJpiP6xxCzNl1DZpNg2AKLppx1mns6l3tj 5acluLkxvFaVp4TORu5pWrQZsQtTfUfyz5H71Q3pIg9zakC247Tx982COY9f 79BrtYdaIbcsP6ctnCEDRdo6mywAs57zrSI66CpuCAQy66PebUlBy7LzZHAd qAkh77FMAehFCGPQeXLZChFSxTxNZ1y1NeeAin4TPxx5OUzE35hIv7N9zHkR XBOk9 X-Received: from [209.213.19.82] by web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:07:39 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:07:39 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.83 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} proof of performance requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=417tu4kv7rq-TeOulxcrMvqseRXG3mfdKAVFxjZyHjg X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW No room to go that high. Years ago the 1240 in Charlotte was going to give us a half wave tower, and the FAA wouldn't allow us to go that high. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- From: "mjgrant@aol.com" To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 2:08:45 PM Subject: Re: {AMSF} proof of performance requirements In a message dated 4/12/2010 12:34:43 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > Now if we had a perfect ground system...... I have but one word for you. Franklin. And I don't mean Benny. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From mjgrant@aol.com Tue Apr 13 19:19:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48751 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2010 02:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2010 02:19:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-da03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.105.145) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2010 02:19:51 -0000 X-Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3E2JjX2004504 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:19:45 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d25.6b9f9d57 (37544) for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:19:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d27.mail.aol.com (magic-d27.mail.aol.com [172.19.146.161]) by cia-mb02.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB025-92a84bc5263d373; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:19:41 -0400 Message-ID: <170ea.1b767e23.38f6803d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:19:41 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.146.161 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 205.188.105.145 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} proof of performance requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=DniAlXUMsm2tpJau790C5zIZsrC_KD3ah-M-ULciaeR9zwJ9cIqTDgCLJHtqRc9v X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/13/2010 7:07:49 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > No room to go that high. Get a FM station to rent tower space. I think KSTP uses their Franklin for a FM mast. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From w4opw@yahoo.com Wed Apr 14 10:18:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: w4opw@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96434 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2010 17:18:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2010 17:18:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (67.195.23.82) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2010 17:18:04 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 95009 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2010 17:18:03 -0000 Message-ID: <839112.94253.qm@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SAksUlEVM1kE5deBIGki.Bsfoz2nGG1WAm2tM.3FDgW692t 63ty.Mw31U6ZdWeJ0XYeQV2JY_mUxDIG6wMeFa_rZ1239lRD2kGtHLY0DnYX 0b4tVJ3B9O0i5jnWJ8cW_GehftUOk0wFqlnEe4h6QYdwuU3X9RNmXUJYAwuC o9ZBNfujeSxWEqWsbSZJLyzGCO58d.19XM4Z1FLWtC4pQJfYVbVjN2wySdKp WB0GDqzHQZlOO9pU8iLh5NNSuavvoekK2VsZ.EUlmIK46BEkzNvO2eD2MnxU s_Ekux01BBMzyMKqTjHuhvpl7GFuEUbgSqKp0EuxueVJGHA5XccHO7_WOPAa cFFpSS1qLA1vTx4iO79zH X-Received: from [64.16.244.69] by web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:18:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/348.5 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <170ea.1b767e23.38f6803d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:18:03 -0700 (PDT) To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <170ea.1b767e23.38f6803d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-IP: 67.195.23.82 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Powell E. Way III" Reply-To: "Powell E. Way III" Subject: Re: {AMSF} proof of performance requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=104587625; y=HH-GmsD_qhLXUmdGuZFILISXqItYevR1eCt3sSeTdh0 X-Yahoo-Profile: W4OPW There IS NO FM station locally. Powell NNNN POP email is powell at backroads DOT net ----- Original Message ---- From: "mjgrant@aol.com" In a message dated 4/13/2010 7:07:49 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > No room to go that high. Get a FM station to rent tower space. I think KSTP uses their Franklin for a FM mast. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Access The AM STEREO Forum on the web at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amstereoforumYahoo! Groups Links From mjgrant@aol.com Wed Apr 14 12:26:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 656 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2010 19:26:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2010 19:26:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO imr-ma01.mx.aol.com) (64.12.206.39) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2010 19:26:15 -0000 X-Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o3EJQ58Q028058 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:26:05 -0400 X-Received: from MJGRANT@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id r.d05.74c86e69 (37035) for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:26:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Received: from magic-d17.mail.aol.com (magic-d17.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.133]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v127_r1.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB025-90ab4bc616c992; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:26:01 -0400 Message-ID: <246ad.68fb77f.38f770c9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:26:01 EDT To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10712 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 173.216.65.160 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.133 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: MJGRANT@aol.com X-Originating-IP: 64.12.206.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: mjgrant@aol.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} proof of performance requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=7016370; y=yyu18dkh1amPYO57ZLRpdu40ibIPHe64LiLvYD-PcMbGLBr4LoLIL4v0r3xSgOCI X-Yahoo-Profile: grant_at_hardscrapple Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/14/2010 12:18:17 PM Central Daylight Time, w4opw@yahoo.com writes: > There IS NO FM station locally. I have another word for you. Opportunity. Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From kj4hyd@gmail.com Wed Apr 14 12:39:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Sender: kj4hyd@gmail.com X-Apparently-To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 53192 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2010 19:39:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2010 19:39:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-2122.google.com) (74.125.92.24) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2010 19:39:24 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 8so152932qwh.33 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:39:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.212.4 with SMTP id gq4mr10097096qcb.62.1271273963971; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from [192.168.0.10] ([74.239.191.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x34sm762601qce.21.2010.04.14.12.39.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BC619E8.1070109@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:39:20 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: amstereoforum@yahoogroups.com References: <170ea.1b767e23.38f6803d@aol.com> <839112.94253.qm@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <839112.94253.qm@web112004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 74.125.92.24 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: kj4hyd Reply-To: kj4hyd@gmail.com Subject: Re: {AMSF} proof of performance requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=383590155; y=vVnXAQWLN28CWVKgI364J8vumzHwHruu59drvKTCIuQw6FjIAVgbgJLUux5o3A X-Yahoo-Profile: ICURAPossum_Hunter2 On 4/14/2010 1:18 PM, Powell E. Way III wrote: > There IS NO FM station locally. > I would love to send 106.3 back home! -- 73, Kevin Raper KJ4HYD CE WCKI WQIZ There is no limitation to the fidelity of AM radio. From a mathematical standpoint, AM does better in frequency response than FM. - Leonard Kahn